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>>2576270Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trolls
Not reporting is bourgeois
Violators will be launched from trebuchet
>>2578167<Don’t pull the thang out, unless you plan to bang<Bombs over Baghdad!<Yeah, don’t even bang unless you plan to hit something<Bombs over Baghdad!
>The phrase “Bombs Over Baghdad” was actually a reference to the Gulf War of the early 90s.
>“The U.S. was trying to beat around the bush,” said Andre 3000, in a 2003 interview with Rolling Stone. “We was trying to scare them by bombing the outskirts. If you’re going to do anything at all, do it. If you gonna push it, push it.”
>OutKast used the bombing as an analogy to how artists at the time weren’t dedicated to making music with real impact.
>“There were lots of people making music, but there was nothing real about it,” said Big Boi, to the LA Times. “We were like saying, make music that has something to say or just get out of the way.” >>2578188What a strange individual
>>2578199
Do you think they just don't know what arabic numerals are or will Americans have to know what DXXVII × DCCXXXIV is?
>>2578200
>muh muslims.
chriscucks need to explain other than allah and muhamad lack of jesus what is that islamic fundies do that they disagree with.
good luck using a numerical system without a zero
>>2578207Allah = God = Yahweh = Jah
Abrahamic religions all worship the same monotheistic God, they just naturally disagree over what that God thinks and certain other theological points because Man created God in his image, and not the other way around.
>>2578199>>2578203People acting like it's a shock they don't know what Arabic Numerals are, when I doubt they even know what the word numeral means at all, LMAO.
>>2578200
Who cares what a bunch of bot accounts are doing? Take it to isg
>>2578208burgers already stubbornly refuse to use the metric system unlike the rest of the fucking planet (except for Engalnd, despite allegedly fighting for their independence from England), so it would be funny if burgers doubled down on their supremacism and reverted to roman NVMERALS in order to make themselves more distinct from muh ayy-rabs.
>>2578201>>2578199>>2578206When I first started working in my store there was a lady who despised the Metric system, she was one of our customers. She asked for a case of water and when I asked which one she said something like "I want the one that's 4.2
cups." Now usually we just have shorthand for our water: white caps, sports tops, 1 liter, 1.5 liter, etc. But she was insistent "No no, this is
America, we use
cups."
She acted like she was standing up against a dictatorship for not calling the liter water bottles a liter of water.
>>2578211it's not a shock that americans are retarded, I just thought it would be more like 30-40%
>>2578219>except for EngalndEngalnd. Engalnd uses both the metric system officially and the imperial system casually.
Wait until they find about the Islamic terrorist group Al-Gebra
>>2578220don't we use fluid oz anyway, which is also British Imperial AKA US Customary
>>2578222great. so we're even more retarded than england.
capitalism makes you retarded because the only people allowed to me smart are the parasites and economists who come up with more efficient systems to be better parasites.
Mile just sounds better than kilometer. I am sorry. You can't even short hand metric unit names because they all have the same prefix.
>I walked a 1000 kilos to buy a kilo of cocaine
Stupid.
The metric system is literally revolutionary. The imperial system has imperial in the name.
>>2578225I’m sure ounces sound too foreign to her too.
ACP statement: if you don't like imperial you support european bureaucracy
>>2578228The metric system is superior because it’s based on simple powers of ten, making calculations and conversions much faster and less error-prone. It also uses standardized units adopted almost universally, which improves communication, science, engineering, and global trade.
converting 1.2 m to 120 cm is just moving a decimal, unlike feet–inches conversions. Calculating area with meters (e.g., 3 m * 4 m) avoids mixing units like square feet vs. square inches. Temperature shifts are simpler too; 1 °C equals a clear, consistent change, unlike Fahrenheit’s irregular scale.
mixing US customary with metric has caused serious accidents. The most famous is NASA’s 1999 Mars Climate Orbiter, lost because one team used pound-force while another expected newtons. Aviation has had similar scares, such as the “Gimli Glider,” where a fuel miscalculation from unit confusion nearly caused a fatal crash.
>>2578238thats the worst irish accent I've ever heard
>>2578232Asia, Africa, South America, and Australia uses metric too and I don't care what a bunch of reactionary larouchite imbeciles think
>>2578228I’m too lazy to learn metric when it’s not necessary here, but the only Americanism I’m willing to fight over is that “Z” is pronounced “Zee” and not “Zed”
>>2578227Americans are uniquely retarded, even under capitalism, as evidenced by a great many things, including their refusal to use metric, and the fact that the only way to make them learn geography is to send them to war.
>>2578237Yeah but verbal usage is doo doo, which is what I was talking about. Also it's been widely discussed by carpenters and construction people and all that how base 12 can be more convenient. You get halves, quarters, PLUS thirds as well.
You also have to think about whether you really need to ever convert between the smaller measurements and the larger ones. People can recognize a meter and a yard, but nobody can visually recognize a mile or a kilometer in terms of meters. Sure nobody knows how many yards are in a mile(1760) because nobody even needs to.
Really I the only place I think it would really be advantageous to switch is with the damn weight and liquid measurements and no surprise, that's where we most use metric system in America.
>>2578246>I’m too lazy to learn metric when it’s not necessary hereburgers not using metric has literally gotten people killed and caused billions of dollars of damage in international scientific collaborations. there is zero reason to refuse to learn metric beyond american chauvinism and american exceptionalism, because metric is objectively
easier than US Customary AKA British Imperial. This is a change even semi feudal countries went through 100 years ago. The standardization of weights and measurements was historically progressive and the world has overwhelmingly decided upon metric.
where do these retards think our numerals come from?
>>2578246>I’m too lazy to learn metric when it’s not necessary here, but the only Americanism I’m willing to fight over is that “Z” is pronounced “Zee” and not “Zed”There is a whole lot. The fucking
. is called a period,
PERIODT! Full stop? Dot? Just sounds retarded.
>>2578228>You can't even short hand metric unit names because they all have the same prefix.<I walked a 1000 kilos to buy a kilo of cocaineIt's evident from context. People know you mean kilometer in the former instance and kilogram in the latter instance. Also it's not really that much extra work to utter a few syllables. You could even say "KM" and "KG" if you're that lazy
>>2578256Also water as a beverage necessitates that it contain ice in order to be potable
>>2578255technically they started off as sanskrit but the answer is they don't know any of it
>>2578249>Also it's been widely discussed by carpenters and construction people and all that how base 12 can be more convenient. You get halves, quarters, PLUS thirds as well.… you can easily express halves, quarters, and thirds in base 10 systems with fractions and decimals…
>>2578257>It's evident from context. People know you mean kilometer in the former instance and kilogram in the latter instance. Also it's not really that much extra work to utter a few syllables. You could even say "KM" and "KG" if you're that lazyStill too many syllables. We Americans short hand kilogram to key. We'd have to invent a one syllable equivalent for all the kinds of keys.
Inch, yard, mile, ounce. One syllable is where it's at.
Using fucking Razorfist as your smoking gun. Dead movement, even deader country
>>2578264
the migrants aren't being imported, in fact they have to do a lot of willful and often difficult action to migrate
MAMDANI allows kids to eat "TURKISH DELIGHT"
>H isn't pronounced with a H at the front
I don't get yankees
>>2578210my problem is that christcuckery hates islam, every islamic majority nation and call them all terrorists, but are in no way against any policy that these terrorists do, even doing terrorism, they just hate them because they aren't them.
>>2578253
asmongold is basically non sapient just like a cockroach all he does is twitch reactions, people that like his opinions are the same, and gassing them is the cure.
>>2578279That's an odd mindset
>>2578261the mayans had true zero, positional system, the ability to write very large numbers, but they lacked a general purpose system for fractions/decimals, they lacked widespread literacy in maethatics (it was exclusive to scribes/priests), they lacked negative numbers, and they didn't have arithmetical symbols, making operations with the numbers pretty cumbersome in practice.
>>2578278yes, essence of reaction is stupidity and malice
>>2577735>A sort of weird postcapitalist regime where capital still dominates social relations and sets productionMLs call this socialism and see the elimination of the bourgeoisie as only the first step into communism. It's not the end goal.
>Because that’s the sort of shit baby leftists parrot without considering the implications from a Marxist POV Don't be so condescending. MLs know Marx didn't separate the ideas of socialism and communism but he did write about higher and lower phases of communism in Critique of the Gotha Programme.
<But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society.<In a higher phase of communist society…https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htmSo instead of having four different terms describing only two ideas (Low socialism or low communism and high socialism or high communism) Lenin simplified that by just calling the lower phase "socialism" and the higher phase "communism."
>>2578292why the fuck did hasan invite this liberal genocide denier
>>2578293>why the fuck did hasan invite this liberal genocide denierthat liberal is his uncle.
>>2578294what? is that true?
>>2578296yeah, chunk yogurt's nepotism is probably why hasan piker has a career at all.
>>2578303how did it take you this long? him being chunk yogurt's nephew is one of the first things i learned about him
>>2578199
I thought everyone knew that modern numbers are based on an Arabic adaptation of Indic numerals (Arabic numerals). Roman numerals are inefficient and time consuming. Holy shit, and that poll is from 2019? We need an overhaul of the education system.
>>2578245Yeah, that was what was stupid about the joke. They mixed the metric and imperial units. Would've been funnier if it was all in metric, but alas.
>>2578318south africans too
>>2578318Never in my life heard someone say dollary-doos, we say buckos
>I get my understandings of dialects through youtube and cartoons
spectacle
>>2578324Wow, I was graduated (proper syntax) from high school in the late '80s and I was pretty sure everyone knew about Arabic numerals. Is this a result of defunding arts and sciences in favor of STEM? Can millennials still write cursive? What a mess…
>Trump tells U.S pilots not to fly over Venezuela
>that has already been enforced since 2019, so it can't be official since it's already official
How dumb does the government think the lumpenproles are?
>>2578332>Can millennials still write cursive?I was born in the early 1990s, and I was taught cursive, but I never applied it beyond school. I did however learn how to type very fast, something people younger than me don't bother to do, because they use the phone for everything.
has it sunk in yet? there's already concentration camps and mass expulsions. extermination camps are next. the USA is a fascist white supremacist country.
>>2578339America is too barren industrially to be fascist. Scavenger state.
>>2578334he closed all international flights there dummy not just american
>>2578332zoomers in some places got taught cursive
>>2578341No he hasn't. International flights are still arriving in Caracas.
>>2578347
what is this wordsoup nonsense
If you think the American left is disorganised and watery, take heart. Somehow, the British left is worse.
>>2578337Typing was a school subject (with electric typewriters) before computers were affordable so we prepared for the digital age. Computer class was for learning DOS. I never imagined thumb pecking would take its place lel.
>>2578342Unless you knew shorthand, everyone used to do everything in cursive and it had to be legible enough for the teacher to read. I heard some school districts dropped it fairly recently except for teaching kids how to sign their name. I think it's time to fund the arts again and get away from stem.
>>2578356They have healthcare though
>>2578360That was because of the British left in 1945. 1945 was a long time ago.
>>2578342>>2578359usecase for squiggly illegible text?
>>2578356sorry britbros but it's absolutely true
>>2578365No usecase. Calligraphy is just beautiful. Usecase for music? Usecase for painting?
>>2578356>If you think the American left is disorganised and watery, take heart. Somehow, the British left is worse.The American left is completely irrelevant and non-existent. At least the left in parliamentary systems can kind of get somewhere in Europe. I know Britain's parliament is practically a two-party system like America than being like a continental parliament, but it's still better than what we have going on here.
>>2578365If it's legible, speed is the main reason. It flows naturally as opposed to having to print each letter.
Nobody ever printed when writing a check and I still don't.
>>2578369it doesn't matter if british state will throw you in prison for a mean tweet
>>2578373I print when writing checks. I guess I'm just a zoomie
>>2578373you still use a chequebook?
>>2578373>Nobody ever printed when writing a check and I still don't.Bruh, they even make you write out the number in words so nobody can possibly misinterpret it. Disconnect the damn letters.
>If it's legible, speed is the main reason. It flows naturally as opposed to having to print each letter.It's best when you do a mix, like in this pic example. Connect the letters that are easy to, then lift the pen when there isn't a convenient way to connect them.
>>2578378They are handy for peer to peer transactions where you don't have a large amount of cash on hand and for ideological reasons don't use any of that venmo shit that the zoomzooms insist you have
>>2578380Why not use a money order instead
>>2578381Familiarity bias. I don't know what a money order is but I grew up watching my parents write cheques
>>2578368I still have calligraphy pens and ink. Maybe it's just another lost art form. Who needs to write notes on sheet music like Mozart when a machine can do it for you? Atrophy is a scary thing.
>>2578378Sure. My writing is easier to read than the roundhand in the Constitution.
>>2578379We've always written the numbers and script combined.
>>2578386Perhaps this could be leveraged as a form of income if you have good handwriting. I wonder how much someone would pay for real handwritten versions of public domain texts
>>2578389Huh, I never thought of that. Good idea.
>>2578387I went to NYC one time and generally got the vibe that the roads aren't usable anyway so this shouldn't really affect anybody
>>2578396after finishing a cross country road trip I can comfortably say the worst roads in the nation are in Denver
>>2578386>We've always written the numbers and script combined.Yeah I know, I'm saying the script doesn't help anything if it's a hard to decipher squiggle.
>>2578400I agree. I've always had difficulty making out doctor squiggles so you have a point there. At least they still teach students how to sign their name.
>>2578406I had a lot of fun coming up with my signature back when I was in middle school, perhaps that's the use case for cursive
>>2578409It's cool. When I used to do tattoos, gothic and kanji were the most popular.
>>2578409that is the most cursed depiction of abraham lincoln i have ever seen
>>2578417you jest, but the american public will lop this up
>>2578199
"Anglophone Civilization": When your numerals are Arabic, your letters are Latin, your religion is Levantine, your myths are Norse, your potatoes and tomatoes and chocolate are South American, your territory is mostly North American, your coffee is Ethiopian, your philosophy and music theory is Greek, your Algebra is Persian, your calendar is Roman, your harvest festival is Celtic, and your "eternal nation" was invented in the 18th century.
>>2578354I've noticed younger people accuse me of using chatgpt for my posts, even when there's obvious grammar errors, because it's so cumbersome to type more than a few sentences with just your thumbs that, when they see a longer post, they think "This must be AI." because they assume everyone uses a phone for everything. But I only browse this place on PC and use my smartphone only for calls/texting/video calls.
>>2578409>Who needs to write notes on sheet music like Mozart when a machine can do it for you?Unironcially I learned how to write sheet music by just fucking around with MuseScore for a couple of years and googling whenever I had a question about something that confused me.
>>2578449Self taught…much respect. I had to do it for music theory while at university.
>The U.S. housing market is going to face a price correction “worse than 2008,” according to housing analyst Melody Wright, who expects home prices to drop in half as soon as next year, per Newsweek.
>>2578461Collapse? No. Revolution? Yes
I've been thinking of just accruing a mass amount of debt and moving away, but I can't grapple with whether that's the right thing to do or not as any sort of communist when I should be organizing
Have you guys thought abt moving too? It just seems like everything is going to get so much worse there's no reason to risk it
>>2578501you wanna leave just when things are getting interesting for the first time in a hundred years? instability should be celebrated not feared
>>2578460>2008won't habben.
>>2578510tf was he doing on MSM for 20 years then. the real "op" is the 180 dis uygha made after losing his job has a mouthpiece
>>2578510he is to the left of CPUSAnon
>>2578515if we say that people can not change we make existence impossible
>>2578520ok he can change all he wants but skepticism and caution is warranted
>>2578527unrelated quote but still good
>>2578510Tucker Qatarlson comfirmed.
>>2578510This and the class consciousness video are the reason why he got fired from Fox
>>2578500America used to have nice things and now we can’t get them or we get a tiny shitty version that is way more expensive than it should be
>>2578531an interview with Xi would be kino but CucKKKer KKKarlson hates china
>>2578537He actually said on the record he wants to meet Xi sometime.
prediction: pan abrahamic Judeo-Christian-Islamic ideology will come into existence and intensify as a reactionary force when "judeo-christian" zionism has outlived its usefulness as a paradigm, and atheistic-bolshevistic-communism (ABC) become enemy #1 again
>>2578541>pan abrahamic Judeo-ChristianThats called Islam
>>2578503Im a transhuman so IDK, I think the instability is directly correlated to how much danger I'm in (especially cus I live in the south) but I obviously don't want to stop it because the US needs to be destabilized
>>2578544>>2578541no, islam will always be the enemy due to 9/11. Jews became assimilated due to ww2 and the holocaust making outright antisemitism uncouth but Jews never did a 9/11 (/pol/ conspiracies don't count). Islam will always be seen as evil unless the west does some sort of anti muslim genocide and then feels guilty about it
>>2578542this is just tucker channeling lolbert fever swamp ron paul crypto anti semitism, not based at all.
>>2578547I mean we get along pretty well with the Japanese despite them doing Pearl Harbor…
>>2578551yeah but thats for people feeling guilty about internment plus later in the 1980s asians were rebranded as a model minority as a way to subtlely shitting on black americans
>>2578544I am the anon. What I mean is a political alliance between Christians, Jews, and Muslims against Atheists, not the idea that Islam is already the final culmination of Abrahamic faith (which isn't even true since there are newer Abrahamic religions like Mormonism, Bahai, and Rastafarianism)
>>2578547>no, islam will always be the enemy due to 9/11.lol 9/11 was just 3000 people and is no longer politically relevant even in America
> Islam will always be seen as evil unless the west does some sort of anti muslim genocide and then feels guilty about ityou mean the millions of muslims killed or displaced by america's "war on terror" isn't exactly that?
>Jews never did a 9/11 (/pol/ conspiracies don't count).the real conspiracy is that 15/19 of these hijackers were saudi, and the rest were either Egyptian, Lebanese, or UAE in origin, and who did America attack "because of" 9/11? None of those countries, because all of those countries are gigacucked to the USA and Israel. Instead America attacked Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, and even killed Bin Laden in Pakistan. Even the official narrative is suspicious on its own terms, since everything America did in the MENA region after 9/11 was convenient for Saudi salafists and Israeli Zionists…
>>2578553>lol 9/11 was just 3000 people and is no longer politically relevant even in AmericaTrump was able to create justification for shutting down all immigration by 1 single brown guy killing a soldier while all right singers are spamming memtitv videos on social media saying we are being invaded by Muslims.
>>2578541Zero chance of this.
>>2578547When do you think the 'west' will start to feel guilty about the anti Muslim genocide in Palestine? Jews were saved from among the survivors of the Holocaust and were given refuge here. The 'west' is funding the current genocide of Palestine. When do you think someone will come to save them? If not, why not? Or do you not recognize a holocaust while it is going on? What causes such indifference to the plight if some yet compassion for others? For your consideration..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9BqZ6eA5c >>2578332>defunding arts and sciences in favor of STEMSTEM stands for “science technology engineering mathematics”
The defunding of education has been a phenomenon since the end of the Cold War. Money has been mostly directed towards sports despite most burgers getting fatter
>>2578562Irrelevant. You are of touch thinking there is a uninfication between these 3 groups and not immense strife politically, religiously and culture war as well.
>>2578552We can feel guilty about Iraq, Afghanistan, or arming Israel. Plus most of the Muslims I've known at least are usually pretty friendly.
>>2578563There can coexist strife and collaboration in a group. Monotheists of the world will unite against "Godless Bolshevism" while still retaining their differences. That is the nature of the game. Reactionaries and revolutionaries of different stripes who would have never imagined fighting side by side are forced to fight side by side due to fear that the other side will be superior at cooperation and combination.
>>2578565I think it's different in Europe because they are only "cultural Christians," effectively atheists. But in America we have schizo Christians who believe in that shit as zealously as the Muslims do.
>>2578561>The defunding of education has been a phenomenon since the end of the Cold War. Money has been mostly directed towards sports despite most burgers getting fatterthe money is redirected only towards the military industrial complex. we in fact excel at teaching STEM, but we teach STEM divorced from its human context, and we only teach it to those class collaborators who are more apt to become the next Fritz Haber than the next Jonas Salk.
>>2578567There is no evidence of a uninfication between these groups. I don't touch grass at all and browse /pol/ everyday, have a xitter and have been Nazi tier before so I know how these people are. The divides are only growing more amongst it all. For example being anti Israel does not make you pro Muslim. Even Nick Fuentes calls Hamas terrorist and shits on Muslims all the time while at same time hating israel. These people can hate Muslims and Jews at the same time.
They see Jews as the controllers and Muslims as the dumb foot soldiers doing chaos for them. They don't see some common ground.
>>2578570>I don't touch grass at all and browse /pol/ everyday, have a xitter and have been Nazi tier before so I know how these people are.this is how I know you're delusional. thanks for confirming
>>2578572Cool you can't refute what I said.
>>2578556(he had no snark prepared for this one)
>>2578573Reality already refutes it. Today our neo nazis are a multiethnic coalition of groypers when neo nazism used to be a white-germanic thing. Tomorrow our conservatives will be Abrahamic, of all 3 flavors, rather than merely Judeo-Christian. Reaction must globalize alongside revolution or lose the global civil war. Because at the end of the day humanity will either become a global communist civilization, or stay fractured, provincial, and obsessed with maintaining traditions and local characteristics until plate tectonics comes to an end and the biosphere is sterilized by solar wind.
>>2578510i already saw middle easterners on instagram slobbering over tucker
>>2578561This is true, but it there was a notable decline in the arts from around '70 to the 80s and I mean art in the broadest term. The school budgets eventually prioritized sports for gamblers and disposable heroes. Technology, engineering and mathematics could remain in the category of sciences and art with a bit of crossover between the them and not given a category of their own. It's almost as if they did it to create corporate slaves.
>>2578576It's not multi-religion. Your confusion comes from you yourself being an atheist and feeling targeted by all these sides so you thinking they all view each other as similar in religiousness, they don't. How a Christian sees God and how a Muslim sees God is entirely different. They don't even see each other on the same planet in this aspect. You are not seething for evidence for your theory you are just saying it will magically happen because anything is possible
You stating that something will happen does not make it a reality. You don't understand how fascism works at all in needing enemies always. To a far right Christian that is antisemtic Jews control the structures and minorities are their toys like aggressive Muslim hordes. Then for the other Zionist types Jewish nationalist are good cause they kill Muslims to them
This duginist idea you have where all sides will unite is what peak delusion is. There is no evidence of this. It would be a miracle to find a person who wants to work with all 3 sides together much less a large crop of them. You are clueless.
>>2578547>but Jews never did a 9/11don't look up 'dancing Israelis' in google. don't.
>/pol/ conspiracies don't countthis is a lpol post.
>>2578582>makes you wonder if America will just destroy the world if the world tries to destroy AmericaAnon… that was literally American's entire plan during the Cold War…
>>2578568Funny enough there's a Chick Tract (and Jack Chick believed that Islam was created by the Vatican alongside Communism and Nazism) where it goes into how Muslims are pagans who worship a "Moon God" and thus are definitely going to Hell.
>>2578586Yes… that was the subtext
>>2578589>if we even think about doing it,If they*.
>>2578590Why would it nake you wonder when first strike is our official policy?
At the very least if a nuclear war does come to pass, it will provide a great opportunity to attempt to build Communism from the very start of the new post-Apocalyptic world order.
That said, I don't think we should take the Posadas pill and encourage such an experiment.
>>2578583>It's not multi-religion. Your confusion comes from you yourself being an atheist and feeling targeted by all these sides so you thinking they all view each other as similar in religiousness, they don't. Islam literally has the term "people of the book" which includes Muslims and Jews. Most Abrahamics with even an ounce of education understand this, and in places like revolutionary Russia, we already saw the clerical (educated) class of all 3 religions team up against Bolshevism, and likewise we saw the Bolsheviks wage a ruthless campaign of militant Atheism against the clerical officials of all 3 Abrahamic religions. Interfaith dialog between the 3 has been ongoing since the middle ages and even if a total synthesis is out of the question, collaboration against the godless secularizers is not.
>>2578594We need to nuke India
>>2578597>undefined>tuff boi in the aftermath of a shootingTACO
>>2578599who the fuck is we and when are you going to realize capitalism seeks cheap labor. we nuked japan then turned them into our car factory.
>>2578595What term exist is irrelevant. Muslims also have the term "ummah" meanwhile they will say the nastiest thing about different sects of their religion to the point they don't even consider the other Muslim. (I have talked to hundreds of Muslims about this). You need to focus on how things function in action not only on paper. What people actually do, express, how they operate as groups and the facts on the ground.
You are now attempting to refer to events from 100 years instead of looking at what is currently happening in how these groups presently look at each other and interact. It is clear you don't care about evidence and are dead set on your theory being right. Have fun with it.
>>2578597that's doesn't include the H-1B visas. he said himself he wants those H1-B visas working. the event paused only asylum seekers and similar.
The USA and Eritrea are the only 2 countries that demand citizens pay taxes even when living abroad.
What do you Americans make of this? Would you comply with it if you left the country?
>>2578611>Would you comply with it if you left the country?lmao they can't simply ignore it. they will lose consultar/embassy services, like getting a passport. if they migrate to a nation where they can't get a quick nationality, and have the money to renounce to their nationality (expensive shit), they'll be people without a state to make any paperwork. stateless people are some kind of pariahs of the worst kind.
>>2578617It's illegal under international law to make someone stateless.
Not that the US has ever cared for international law…
>>2578592I don't actually wonder, that was sarcasm.
>>2578619The US won't let you renounce your citizenship unless ypu pay them.
>>2578622it costs quite a bit of money too
>>2578617How much does it usually cost to renounce your citizenship? What would you recommend to read up on the process?
>>2578619https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/individuals-with-significant-tax-debt-should-act-promptly-to-avoid-revocation-of-passportsapparently they issue a specific type of passport that only works for one thing, and one thing only: to go to the US and pay the taxes.
heh.
but I guess it's some sort of a legal barrier for Americans living abroad if they don't have a cushion citizenship.
>>2578609>>2578613a lot of US wages leave the country as remittances, but it is only natural that people can dispose of their wages as they please. I suppose remittance is better than spending it on fentanyl. America also accumulates a trade deficit that nobody can force it to pay (for now) because it has currency hegemony, military hegemony, and a large nuclear stockpile. If all 3 of those conditions change, then I guess America can be put on the hook for its trade deficit.
>>2578583>How a Christian sees God and how a Muslim sees God is entirely different. It's not entirely different. They are closer to each other than paganism, dualism, Buddhism, or other religions. And while most of Christianity (not all denominations) retroactively added in their schizo 3 in 1 trinity stuff it's still same God as the Jews and Muslims.
>>2578618When you don't live in America, you don't drive on their roads, don't use their police, don't use their parks, etc. Meaning you are still paying taxes for services you are not using. It makes no sense beyond America inherently being greedy.
And capital controls are what are supposed to stop capital flight and fleeing the country. Taxes on workers living abroad is a different issue.
>>2578635It was the only upload that came up of the full scene 😭
>>2578618
>isnt that just the cost of keeping your American citizenship?
not at all. almost the entire world doesn't tax you when you live outside the state of your citizenship.
honkoid status?
>>2578632yeah, well such is the state of imperialism that even the bourgeoisie of the periphery flee to the core for opportunities. if development weren't so asymmetrical this state of affairs wouldn't be possible.
>>2578653Yeah, but if there was a good administration, they need to do what they claimed tgey were going to do is what I'm saying. The Democrats present us with the falsd choice between the status quo and Trump. A good president should be what the Trump administration claims to be.
>>2578649ok but clinton balanced the budget
and rizzed black america up with the sax, way better than that nerd ass ross perrot shit 🤓
>>2578660no wonder trump sucked his fat cock, he's seductive as hell
How rich would we all be if only we listened to him?
<Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone.
<It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
<The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
<It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
<It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
<We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.
<We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
<This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road. the world has been taking.
<This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
>Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
>This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
>In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
>We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
>Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
>In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
>Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in labaratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
>The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.
>Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
>It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
>Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without asking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
>Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mututal trust and respect.
>>2578671i used to fall for this kind of "we need to RETVRN to FDR and Eisenhower, they tried to heckin warn us!!!" rhetoric back when Kyle Kulinski types were saying it in 2014, but the truth is, Eisenhower was warning against a problem that already existed and which he helped make worse. It is Lenin we should have listened to, when he wrote imperialism, not Eisenhower, and to listen to Eisenhower would have been an incomplete solution, like "capitalism with a human face." A softer, gentler whip.
>>2578675The thing is that the US is never going to spontaneously combust from internal contradictions+outside forces. This isn't Tsarist Russia or Imperial China. The US going to keep chugging along forever. The question is do you choose to influence that direction? Or do you just wait for the rapture because it was prophesied? America is never going to magically become the conditions of Tsarist Russia and Imperial China. This is a completely different fucking world. Marxists in the West have been playing the waiting game for a century almost and nothing has happened.
>Entryism, reformism, etc. blahh blahh blahh doesn't work.Has fantasizing about The Day of the
Rope Revolution delivered anything more? You live in the fucking world, life, country, state, city, whatever you live in. Deal with it. Fantasizing you're one of Lenin's confidants or whatever is never going to deliver anything.
>>2578630and be eligible for social security benefits :oooooooo
>>2578675>i used to fall for this kind of "we need to RETVRN to FDR and Eisenhower, they tried to heckin warn us!!!">Eisenhower was warning against a problem that already existed and which he helped make worse.And none of that makes a difference. It's good words. Find me a Lenin quote that is more relevant. Lenin mostly talked about shit that was relevant to Europe and Russia in the time in which he lived.
>>2578681>The thing is that the US is never going to spontaneously combust from internal contradictions+outside forcesthat wasn't my thesis
>>2578690Ok, give me yours.
>>2578671>Lists various equivalences that highlight how the MIC takes ludicrous amounts of resources>We have to do this because gommunism is a threat>But we should be really smart about it guys we're gonna pay them billions of dollars and just be SUPER SMART ABOUT THIS and wag our finger at the idea of them leveraging this newfound wealth to keep the cashflow goingYeah man he was really poignant and smart, WAY WAY WAY WAY smarter than all those stupid communist theorists!
>>2578688>Find me a Lenin quote that is more relevant.Lenin talked about the kind of people who work for Raytheon and Northrop Grumman here:
<Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.
<This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.”
<Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty. - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, PREFACE TO THE FRENCH AND GERMAN EDITIONS
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/pref02.htm >>2578691my thesis was already given, but I'll repeat it: Eisenhower was warning against a problem that already existed and which he helped make worse.
>>2578696>His actions don't acontradict the validity of his words. The validity of his warning doesn't matter if it came several decades too late and his solution is incomplete. We talk about "forever wars" now, but it's easy to forget that America, for example, occupied Haiti for 19 years. The "military industrial complex" Eisenhower was warning about already existed, and had existed, for quite a long time. And the American MIC is merely the culmination of the Monroe Doctrine, which is the earliest doctrine of American Imperialism.
>>2578694But it is very hard to map his words on 1910s onto modern society. You have to extrapolate a lot and then get into an endless debate about what it is valid to extrapolate it upon. I have seen it herr endlessly. Do you have any clear definition beyond "Raytheon?"
>>2578698>occupied Haiti for 19 years(starting in 1915, forgot to mention that)
>>2578698As he said, the MIC didn't exist before ww2.
>Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. >>2578699It's not that hard to know what Lenin meant by social chauvinism and labor aristocracy. It's not that confusing. It's anyone who is more loyal to their country or corporation than to their class. It's anyone who is willing to create a pile of corpses in exchange for a few measly benefits.
>>2578701>Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry.This is just a lie. The American civil war wasn't fought with sticks and stones. Yankee victory over the confederacy relied on its superior armaments industry.
>>2578702>It's anyone who is more loyal to their country or corporation than to their classIsn't it idealism to be more loyal to an absract concept than your own material benefit?
>>2578701Dude are you retarded why do you want to take Eisenhower (burgerreich fuhrer) at face value with 0 evidence
>>2578704ok so you know exactly what lenin is talking about, you just disagree.
>Isn't it idealism to be more loyal to an absract concept than your own material benefit?Your question frames class struggle as a mere "abstract concept" and ruthlessly throwing other proles under the bus of imperialism for a small chance at short term gains as "material benefit." I reject this poorly framed question entirely because it presupposes an individualist and sociopathic "crab bucket" mentality where the goal is to climb over each other in a scramble to escape the "bucket" rather than to cooperate to tip the bucket over so that we can all escape.
>>2578708that doesn't refute what I said and I'm not illiterate. the idea that America had "no armaments industry" before WW2 is just false.
>>2578709> for a small chance at short term gains as "material benefitYou say short term gain, but you have been claiming the same bullshit for longer thab the possible human lifespan. Anyone who listened to you objectively picked the idealist option over the materialist option.
>>2578699>But it is very hard to map his words on 1910s onto modern society.someone could use the same lame cope for quoting eisenhower, but just replace "1910s" with "1950s".
>Lenin mostly talked about shit that was relevant to Europe and Russia in the time in which he lived.No, imperialism was already global by that point and Lenin included America when talking about imperialism. If you find Lenin that irrelevant because of where he lived, then read Eugene Debs who was jailed for resisting American involvement in WW1 and said many of the same things.
>>2578715He never gave any applicable advice to American comrades.
>>2578716Back to /pol/ little polack…
>>2578701bro, eisenhower wasn't anti-imperialist lmao. that fucker expanded US oversea bases,.he oversaw cia backed coups in iran and guatemala, he directly supported other colonial power including payng for about 80% of frances war cost in vietnam. he also had strong interventionist policies in the middle east and asia. for instance, the Eisenhower Doctrine is literallity about allowing US military intervention to stop communism in the middle east.
he did not oppose U.S. global influence as a principle. what he meant was that he feared uncontrolled defense spending. he wanted the US military to be strong and globally active but with some restraint.
>>2578711>You say short term gain, but you have been claiming the same bullshit for longer thab the possible human lifespan.????? what???? what is this even supposed to mean. like spell it out for me.
>>2578720you're talking to someone who isn't a communist and is fine with imperialism, so they don't care
>>2578725
>Erm lenin didnt say anything that can be used today
>what? Yes he did?
>YOU WILL BE NOTHING BUT TARGET PRACTICE FOR MY CADRES…
Felix would hate you. You could never be him.
>>2578725
>lie
>get proven wrong
>crash out and threaten people
yawn
>>2578720this must have really triggered him because he ignored it and posted this angry little screed without replying to any particular post:
>>2578725 >>2578729>Erm lenin didnt say anything that can be used today>what? Yes he did?Such as?
>>2578730You and Lenin have all the answers. Educate me. I promise I will go out and do it tommorow November 30.
Jesus has all tge answers too, but his followers afe going on two millenia +. At lease your record isn't as long yet.
>>2578732>Such as?"The emancipation of the working class must be the act of the working class itself."
You were already given an answer several times and ignored it. You also said he never spoke to americans directly and were proven wrong. And an anon specifically went into why Eisenhower isn't the best person to listen to and you ignored that as well. Maybe you're just ignorant and I should stop wasting my time trying to educate you? But here's one more chance.
>I promise I will go out and do it tommorow November 30.The fact that you think this is a matter of individual lone wolf action shows either that you don't understand anything, or you aren't the target audience in the first place.
>>2578734But you won't address your wait-and-see, do-nothing, no one knows the hour of his coming nature of your ideology which has dome nothing in 150+ years.
>>2578737>wait-and-see, do-nothingwhere did i say that
>>2578742What should I do?
>>2578743Participate in the class struggle with other workers, assuming you are a worker, and don't limit that class struggle simply to workers of the same race/ethnicity/nationality/language/religion/etc. as the social chauvinists do?
>>2578746What class struggle do you particpate in?
>INB4 I am not a worker >>2578748It was a direct question, and you have no answer other than you have never worked a day in your life faggot.
Can someone really be considered a prole who has never earned a wage ever?
>>2578749>you won't doxx yourself to me, that means you don't worki do work but why should i keep feeding you when every engagement so far has been bad faith, and began with you trying to sell eisenhower as an anti imperialist (how far we have strayed from that topic as you keep grasping at every new straw you can think of)
online is for educating/agitating. but the organizing has to take place in real life
>>2578751no. a prole is in fact a wage worker. but i don't see what this has to do with eisenhower, the original topic.
>>2578752Alright, keep tripping out, I hope it works out for you.
One-day in homosoviet anerica i. 21XX we will prevail.
>>2578743What do you do for work
>>2578762Manual labor mostly but I also work some big brain machines. We do some kind of surveying for all kind of construction-sites.
Now, I showed you mine, now show me your's faggot. What do you do?
>INB4 never worked a day in your life. >>2578767I'm not the original anon you talked to but a different anon. I am a unionized welder.
>>2578769Aight, that's cool, it's not like something that is possible with my job or position, but good for you. Now how are you turning your position into making my life better or are you just as irrelevant of a faggot to my life as Elon Musk? Are you using your position to change the political structure of the USA? Or is your Union just endorsing Biden or Trump and you are no more useful a faggot than any homeless person?
>>2578773reminder this conversation started with you presenting eisenhower as an anti-imperialist hero and has devolved into you asking people to reveal personal info about themselves and berating individual anons for not changing the world by themselves… seems bad faith
>>2578782
stop drinking and go to bed
>>2578786
>nothing useful to say
projection
> we shouldn't listen
who is "we"
>>2578797
um sweety, I don't see any guns in this photo…
>>2578806Ne'r mund, that is Felix
>>2578769>I'm not the original anon you talked to but a different anon. I am a unionized welder.And your story is consistent. I take it back. You are easily mistaken for a chold.
recap
>guise eisenhower like tried to warn us
<not really, he was part of the problem, listen to lenin instead
>um lenin didn't say anything relevant
<yes he did, here's an example:
>ok but he was talking to russians and europeans, not americans
<here's a letter he wrote to american workers
>ok but that was like 1910s so it's not relevant anymore
<one could say the same thing about eisenhower but the truth is a lot of what lenin said is still relevant today, and eisenhower's critique of the american MIC was incomplete, and coming from a source of the problem
>ummmm shut the fuck up i bet you don't work a job
<i'm a unionized welder
>HAHAHA FAGGOT UR LARPING DERP DERP DERP I BET NUNNA U FAGGOTS BLAH BLAH BLAH HURR DURR DURR
…. got it out of your system yet, kid?
>>2578808Felix isn't on right now. If Felix were here, he would have simply called you a strasserite while seething at CPUSAnon and saying that the vast majority of americans are willing and gleeful collaborators.
>>2578811>Felix isn't on right now. If Felix were here, he would have simply called you a strasserite while seething at CPUSAnon and saying that the vast majority of americans are willing and gleeful collaborators.It rings a bell, him talking about some kind of union welding job??? I heard someone say recently works in a hotel, and that also kinda rings a bell. I remember him saying he went to a Union meeting and all of his colleagues were Strasserites he would have to exterminate when the day of the
rope revolution comes.
>>2578813ok but i'm not felix just because i'm a unionized welder. if i were felix i would be much angrier and shittier at arguing
>>2578813also unlike felix i try to educate people when they are wrong instead of simply saying they are evil and all that blah blah blah
>>2578500>>2578497The Ancients before us were truly technologically advanced than us now.
>>2578819eh, what people see as "vertical" advancement (or, in your case, decline) in technology is not so simple. we invent new tech but forget old tech. Like damascus steal was forgotten for example. Our new tech is built on top of old tech, but we often automate and "enshittify" old tech so we have more time to make new tech. Also a lot of the time when it looks like we "forgot" how to do something it's really more like we fell out of practice because the bourgeoisie stopped funding it, since the ruling class dictates what kind of labor gets prioritized.
>>2578838It's satirical humor you autist.
>>2578831
>AI Won, Racists Lost
<watch video
>"Here's how AI is tricking a nation of half wit reactionaries into being even more racists, but it's OK because a liberal is here to give a fact check after the fact as a footnote nobody will listen to"
not the most reassuring content here buddy
>>2578840One may find that it's strange that buildings used to be much more beautiful 150ish years ago, with less building construction technology. None of these garbage ass buildings will ever be remembered 10 20 years from now. They're all ugly pieces of shit.
When will burgers learn that only love can conquer hate?
HEE HEE
>>2578500We have safety concerns now
The official White House website added a media bias tracker:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/media-bias-category/lie/>>2578859Yep. Zoomers might not know this but back in the day we had these fun things called roller coasters but they were too dangerous to keep up and disappeared by the 90s. Well, they can play RollerCoaster Tycoon on tiktoks these days so it evens out.
>>2578865About time we got such a trustworthy source to help fight disinformation.
>>2578460>drop in halflmao, delusional. theyve been dropping already in the overvalued markets anyway. just check zillow or whatever for houses sold in your area. in my neighborhood people are buying and the prices are higher than they were during covid
Who cares about this bag of bones
>>2578470>>2578475>>2578497>>2578500>>2578819>>2578827>>2578838>>2578835You need art deco. You need streamline moderne. You need raygun gothic.
>>2578833Art Deck accomplished the impossible and became peak after the fall then.
>>2578915American cops would rather shoot random uynghars on cars then arrest rapists.
Revolution status?
Working this taco stand 7 days a week 10 hours a day man.cash in hand. Grind don't stop. Feels good to have a lane again.
>>2578931Proud of you. Keep going you got this
>>2578855Guy was weird as hell, but I do think he was framed by Sony for trying to claw back the rights to his music. Taylor Swift is going to receive the same fate once she's washed up.
>>2578702In fact, lenin meant all americans generally. Lenin said every single fat american pig was oppressor and exploiter. It is revisionist to defy this line
>>2578931your also grinding your health. 10 hours a day, 7 hours a week kills you.
>>2578953Then imma die I don't give a fuck. We work, we make money, we build.
>>2578957>>2578951>average income means there's no proletariat in the USyou faggots have no idea how capitalism even works lmfao. being a minority doesnt mean it doesnt exist at all
>>2578721as in, people who spent their whole lives working for socialism got little from it, while people who climbed ladders got significant material benefit that lasted their entire lives, so it wasn't a "short term" benefit.
>>2578711>>2578965>implying you can just will yourself to stop being proletarian>confusing proletarians with middle classersmassive retardation. a few of them might make it, so what, thats how shit works
>>2578966>old laborers living on their retirement money are petty bourgeoiseI don't think you have a clue about marxism whatsoever
>>2578973if they can live on their reserves and welfare without needing to work then they clearly are neither proletarian nor haute bourgeois so that leaves the petit bourgeoisie lol
>invoking marxism without knowing basic shitclassic leftoidpol
>>2578973Youre so snippy yet wrong. Business owners pay into and reciece social security too, like all labor aristocrat, so you dont know shit about how america works, boy.
>>2578978Lol you had no idea social security was an old person thing
>>2578977>so that leaves the petit bourgeoisie lolThey don't own any means of production so no not really
>>2578985ig this should be expected from the amerilard thread but no, being a proper citizen of bourgeois society doesnt just mean "when you own a fucking factory" retard
>>2578987I know this will be hard to grasp for your little acorn brain but plumbers that own their own tools are petite bourgeois. Granny picking up her social security check from a Private Equity firm is not.
>>2578989-sent from my iPad
>>2578989Pretty sure people would keep their homes and have a retirement system under socialism.
>>2578995To go a step further, proper retirement schemes that make sense are possibly only under socialism
>>2578972I saw Charlie Kirk on the street corner buying weed from Tupac
>Pope Leo: Palestinian state 'only' solution to Israeli conflict
>ABOARD THE PAPAL FLIGHT TO BEIRUT, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Pope Leo said on Sunday that the only solution in the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people must include a Palestinian state, reaffirming the Vatican's position.
>“We all know that at this time Israel still does not accept that solution, but we see it as the only solution," Leo, the first U.S. pope, told journalists on a flight from Turkey to Lebanon during his first in-flight press conference.
>>2579029It's true. Embassies within Palestine with ambassadors from every nation recognizing statehood would go a long way towards ensuring its survival.
>>2579034true, plus they could start taxation and raise an army supplied by Iran and China
>>2579035I think Hashemite King of Jordan would be a better mediator towards normalizing regional relations first than distant opportunists seeking profit from investment at the people's expense.
>>2579038…the guy on a CIA payroll? that's almost as crazy a suggestion as sisi hypno
>>2579040Is the king really on the CIA payroll? I'm saying stability in the region should originate within the region. Erdogan would also have a larger interest in this.
>>2579022The Right desperately wants a martyr. They want a MLK day for the Right. To them, they suffered a cultural humiliation when MLK day was made a thing; that they had to acknowledge one day where “some pinko rabble rouser got what was coming to him”. Shit, Charlie Kirk himself wanted to cancel MLK.
I can’t begin to tell you how much MLK is this psychic thorn in the minds of American conservatives. They are, to their view, forced to sanctify him and pretend they wouldn’t be in the hooting mobs calling for him to be lynched. Trump has to pretend that MLK would’ve endorsed him, they have to watch their kids come home from school after learning about and celebrating MLK’s life, they hate it because it’s one moment where they lost.
Why do they crow so much about Ross Parks being part of an activist movement? That the bus sit-in was planned in advance? Because the only form of the story they can remotely accept is that Rosa was just some obstinate individual who was accosted by an individual racist and her stand so moved the natural beneficence of the White Man that Whites “granted” Blacks the Civil Rights Act. The mere notion that Black people could
impose political change on a system designed for the benefit of White people so infuriates them that they want to destroy every memory of it.
The forced mourning, the firings, the hokey bills to make Charlie Kirk monuments, it’s all to give these Republicans their own MLK. It’s to try and create a day where libs are forced to weep and sanctify someone they hate, someone whose politics offend them as much as MLK’s does conservatives.
>>2579044the jordanian king has had a close relationship with the west for a long time. He's seen as a stabilizing force in the region yes, but that involves coordinating with the western military in shooting down Iran's, and only Iran's, missiles targeting Israel like we saw earlier this year
You're right though, Palestine should preferably be supported by allies in the region, and sickening as it is to say Erdogan could help with that, but the problem here is arming a Palestinian army and navy with small arms and missiles is inherently a de-stabilizing move with many national interests working against it. Who has the political clout to do so besides superpowers outside the region?
>>2579052The King's father established close relations with the u.s. The point of recognition and embassies is to normalize relations with the rest of the world. This would be enough to deter Israel without the need to build a massive army.
>>2579057but israel has consistently invaded and occupied recognized countries before like egypt, lebanon and syria
>>2579057Israel blows up embassies all the time. International law is arbitrary. The only differences to Israeli aggression grow out of a barrel of a gun.
The Jordanian king is a literal spook. He opens his airspace to western imperialists. Even more of a lapdog than Egypt
>Jordanian intelligence officers work with their US counterparts interrogating suspected terrorists and have co-operated with renditions to and from Guantánamo Bay. CIA officers are stationed inside the GID's sprawling Amman HQ. That, it seems likely, was the home to the operation involving Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, the al-Qaida agent who killed seven CIA staff and Bin Zeid, his handler, in Khost, Afghanistan.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/06/jordan-embarrassed-cia-link >>2579064>differencesDeterrents
you understand there's gonna be extermination camps soon right? citizen or not if you're brown soon they'll just round you up and kill you
>>2579061True, but Israel has also managed to piss off the rest of the world. They become more isolated with every violation of international law and the u.s. won't protect them indefinitely. Palestine needs infrastructure and stability for the people before weapons of mutually assured destruction.
>>2579073dude I love holocaust equivalents
>>2579073fascist nation. fascist society.
>>2579064The opening for spooks during the unjust 'war on terror' was the preexisting rift between Sunni and Shia. Hopefully they won't get fooled again.
Ecological collapse will kill almost all humans within our lifetimes. The pro-extinction movement has achieved total capture of all governments on Earth, and all matter in the universe bends to the will of evil, God is silent. The only purpose of life now is to transmit information to possible survivors in the future, there is no other reason to live.
One of the core problems we face today, which may have to be confronted again in the future if any humans survive the coming decades, is how to defeat global superpowers. Currently, there are no serious theories of how to end American sovereignty, instead political scientists, economists, psychologists, etc. focus on how to survive in world where American sovereignty also exists. But, in the same way there are institutes for the study of peace, if there were an institute dedicated to researching ways to end American sovereignty, and top talent were dedicated to this task for years, I believe some important knowledge on how to defeat superpowers may be synthesized and transmitted before global civilization collapses due to American-led climate change.
>>2579073>>2579075Before anyone says anything more please remember the retard Christofascist who wrote the original poem didn't just stay neutral he voted for Hitler thrice.
>>2579088>sovereigntyDid you mean hedgemony?
Mexico is a sovereign nation but they don't bully other sovereign nations into submission.
we unironically learn nothing from history even when we profess to understand history
even those who think they're on the right side of history get WWII wrong. We did not declare war on Nazi Germany because of idealistic notions of free speech or anti-fascism. Germany declared war on the US. And Britain and France declared war because the Germans were a threat to the balance of power in Europe. Poland in 1939 was nowhere near a liberal democratic state is it a dictatorship that had already instigated several anti-jewish laws. The Nazis simply made a bad situation a million times worse.
>>2579096I mean sovereignty, as in transferring as much of US governance to external, foreign committees as possible. Exploring fringe or abstract methods to control all governing organs of America from a distance, and synthesizing all fields of study to do so. In the same way Stafford Beers wrote about using a pond to program a factory, can migratory bird patterns be used to manipulate supreme court votes, can the Earth's magnetic field be used to reduce defense spending? It all seems abstract on the surface but I believe there are plausible methods to end American sovereignty and control its government from outside that have not even been explored yet because of their apparent absurdity.
>>2578991Not to be pedantic, but “strong floor, no ceilings” kind of applies “things only get better”.
Of course the problem with centrist messaging is they fundamentally can’t admit shits fucked. Like the Dem’s messaging is just insanely off putting. MAGA conjures up “things have gotten worse, but we can go back to the good old days.” Which is at least acknowledging how people feel about the country and lying about some “return to greatness”.
Dems want a message of “America is already great” when it isn’t for the people who see their bills outpacing their wages (as an aside my dad recently brought up what he was paying in rent in his 20s and it was $400 a month and in biking distance of the beach) so saying “things are fine” is a promise to not fix anything. I’ve heard some say “America was never great” and that’s just kicking people while they’re down—“Yeah your life sucks but it always sucked.” Now they’re trying some horseshit where we continue to pretend there’s something fundamentally good or prosperous about the “American System” or whatever and we’re just competing to make it even richer when multiplying 0 by 10 remains zero.
>>2578931Nice. Probably better than those fast food jobs you were applying to huh?–
>>2579105They kinda oscillate between the two rhetorical points depending on what's more convenient for their narrative. On the one side, it's "better things aren't possible", but they'll also switch over to "actually things are already great". The central point is the same though: everything bad in your life is actually either your own personal fault or just a part of living in society so you need to suck it up like a man
is it genuinely possible venezuela has a nuclear weapon?
>>2579111Maybe they stole one during the government shutdown when no one was looking.
>>2579115There's been reports. Usually suspect reports so don't look too much into it. But there's been reports the DPRK has given Maduro a nuclear weapon.
>>2579111it would be really stupid to have one and not make it known. the whole point is deterrence.
>>2579116If they had there'd be no reason to keep it secret.
>>2579105>$400 a monthI remember these days…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUkqBRC1zUAGood times. Minimum wage was also like $4.25/hr. You could get a burger, gallon of gas or pack of smokes for less than a dollar and my folks talked about the day when the same things cost a dime. Doesn't mean it was better.. but maybe the Dems could just say 'we can do better' and put the words into action. Should be easy given the current rampant corruption and disparity of wealth between workers and oligarchs of the new guilded age. I think people have nostalgia for easier, calmer times that were less hectic and toxic, before social media addiction existed.
>>2579111I doubt it, but they're sitting atop the largest deposit of black gold
>>2579115Hahaha
Maduro blasting a nuke in Caracas whilst US troops enter in their helicopters modern warfare style is precisely the sort of dumb crackpot dictator shit dumb lib media pundits want you to think
Burguers on leftypol, how would react if Trump bringed back the forced draft for venezuela. How would you explain it ?
>>2579125I'd just tell them I a sworn enemy of the United States, that I am loyal to its enemies, and that if I am ever given the opportunity I will betray America and make every attempt to maximize the number of Americans killed by my actions.
>when you elect the peace loving anti-immigrant candidate to fight a regime war that will force refugees to flood into the US
>>2579130Nah, they wouldn't even have to draft me, I'd show up at the recruitment office with a "Kill Our Troops" bumper sticker on my car and say I want to join up so I can betray my unit and kill American soldiers at point blank range, I want to suicide bomb a military base and kill Americans, give me a gun.
>>2579137Arlo Guthrie once did a bit where he acted crazy. The only thing that got him out of it was having a record and being convicted for littering.
>>2579133He is a gusano who despises Fidel Castro for freeing his family slaves and wants to destroy any remnants of the evil reds he can get
>>2578844>>2578838Much like music or video games, things that were once very difficult to make and relied on limited resources or man power required greater attention and time in the construction, resulting in a greater product that eventually becomes a relic and novelty for us to play with and admire. Architecture, like computer science, may not be a lost art, libraries and artists still exist after all, the funding and the time just aren't there. And with accelerated productivity no time exists for beauty, you know, just go ahead and make another grey slab of a building (nothing against Brutalism or Le Corbusier) or make every house in the new suburb look exactly the same.
>>2579144Bookmarked. Thanks.
>>2579187Looks like a keloid scar. Shit like this is why I stopped doing tatts.
>>2579048In August 1967, the FBI created a COINTELPRO against “Black Nationalist–Hate Groups,” which targeted SCLC, King, and other civil rights leaders. King was identified as a target because the FBI believed that he could become a “messiah” who could unify black nationalists “should he abandon his supposed ‘obedience’ to ‘white liberal doctrines’ (nonviolence) and embrace black nationalism” (Senate Select Committee, 180). In the last few months of King’s life, the FBI intensified its efforts to discredit him and to “neutralize” SCLC (Senate Select Committee, 180).
It's cracked but the deep state is deeply afraid of the possibility of an organized revolutionary movement led by a "Black messiah."
>>2579206A black messiah…
>>2579143
If burguers ever invade my country i will show then a bowl of salad to scare then away from my home so they don't kill my family.
>>2579245anon, create the lettuce launcher in a package sturdy and concealable for the guerrilla and your name shall be remembered through history like Kalashnikov.
>>2579091Well, the poem is about how he found out
>>2579256what is tucker's solutions then
Tucker is 40% right. Maybe 35%.
He's still going to the re-education camps though.
>>2579296
He's saying that the RNC's supposed values are just cynical facades used in the service of making money and if you push back against them at all they call you a communist.
>>2578961>celebrating the Russian Revolution led to their biggest increase of recruitmentinternationalism actually works contrary to the myth that proles will only join your party if you celebrate national chauvinism.
>>2579109>They kinda oscillate between the two rhetorical points depending on what's more convenient for their narrative. On the one side, it's "better things aren't possible", but they'll also switch over to "actually things are already great". The central point is the same though: everything bad in your life is actually either your own personal fault or just a part of living in society so you need to suck it up like a manY'know when it comes to the discourse in liberal spaces around men I think this is the most stark example. They're willing to invoke the power of the state and collectivism
in rhetoric (just in case anyone claims I'm saying they actually do meaningful material politics) for disparate minority groups, yet when it comes to young men and doing anything for them you get this language of "well they need to work on themselves, they need the right set of skills, they need to do this or that, it's not our job to help them" and I think young guys see that and their reaction is "well it's not my job to protect women, it's not my job to even respect them, they're on their own, I don't care what they're dealing with."
So the liberal mindset of "Well everyone is already on their own, your problems are just your problems, suck it up" helps galvanize Fascist sentiment. Because it reinforces that there's gonna be no "hand outs" from the powers that be, meanwhile the Fascists come along and they rail against vague "elites" and talk about "the nation" and "the nation" seems a lot more real to you as someone with little to no class consciousness than "the proletariat" does. I think that's partially why you've seen people like Ben Shapiro fade from the young right's consciousness while Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes have been getting more popular, because Ben is too stupid to realize that putting on your biggest yarmulke and talking about how you should never retire isn't "in" anymore, at least not publicly.
And as for "America was never great"? Again that's just playing into Fascist sentiment. I've heard "America was never great, look how it treated Black people" and yes our treatment of Black people is abhorrent yet at the same time you could pay $400 a month in rent and had some reasonable assurance that things were "always getting better" if you're a White person, so the far-right just springboards off that rhetoric and says "See! Things are harder now because we stopped being explicitly racist. Bring back Jim Crow and things will get better, White man!"
>>2579122Was watching "Columbo" with a buddy and we were just kind of double-taking whenever the topic of money came up. He goes to a diner and it's like "Burger with fries and a large milkshake: $0.85", some villain tries to bribe him with some comical "Work for me and you'll make $30k a year!" Like that was a lot of money back then.
And yeah, the actual "number" of the money doesn't matter that much, but we've seen the necessities of life get more expensive and the response during the Biden years was "well inflation is
down." I had some Democrat centrist type literally argue that "Inflation is like gaining weight, one month you gain 10 pounds, then 12, then later you only gain 1 pound." Okay, so you're basically saying I'm still getting more fat with your guy in office who promised to "solve" things but I should consider it an achievement I'm getting fatter slower. Some zoomer was asking online "Well why can't we just have deflation?" And yeah that comes with its own hodgepodge of economic problems but at least its a rational sentiment. At least they're honestly saying "Well how will you make life easier? How will you make things cost less?"
>>2578915may lenin awaken the people, and help them to achieve proletarian revolution in the united states
>>2579318
my take on them (which has changed over time, and used to be more hostile) is that they want to use "patriotism" for recruitment, even though patriotism in the US tends to be pretty reactionary, but at the same time, they are way more uncompromising on Anti-Imperialism than CPUSA and DSA are. Imagine if PSL tried to recruit disillusioned ex-MAGA guys. That's the vibe I get out of them.
TIL there were multiple federally-elected socialist GOP members back when the Republican Party had a progressive branch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_members_of_the_United_States_Congress>>2579318>>2579321I'm being too nice in my first reply, I forgot to add that their grifter streamer narcissist leadership (haz, hinkle) compromises whatever the lower ranks achieve, and furthermore they are bigoted against homosexual and trans people openly, and they take imperialist pinkwashing at face value.
>>2579322This is true, but its also fundamental proof that Mandamis, though progressive, cause no real change.
>>2579324yeah, that's why I followed up here
>>2579325>>2579326That's not why they're useful
>>2579330They're useful because they slowly but surely bring socialism back into regular debate.
>>2579339among other things but yes exactly right
>>2579347I hope this guy dies in agony
>>2579347Nobody who has $1.7 million to mortgage at fucking 6% is buying that suburban cookie cutter shit.
>>2578985One can steal or be afforded stolen surplus-value from proletariat without owning capital. The police
>>2579345
"we are investigating ourselves and finding ourselves innocent"
>>2579360"it's spiritually true"
this is what rightoids say when they get caught doing exaggerated blackface of a single mom on EBT with 8 kids on twitter why does the general public resist calling the USA fascist even though it very obviously is?
>>2579362>"we are investigating ourselves and finding ourselves innocent"Eh, they'll find themselves inadequate. They'll wreck Venezuela and back a blue wave in south America. But crucially, every few steps forward a "progressive" institution of some sort will denounce something five steps behind.And back the current identical policies anyway.
Because at the end of the day, much like with Israel. As long as the liberal gets a pat on the back, is told they are a good person and have "good intentions" by authority figures, the implementation doesn't matter. Push comes to shove, everyone and everything is a "threat" when you are the world hegemon anyway, so it's all defensive and justified.
Best part? US liberals are absolutely right, the world is coming for them. And it is other liberals who will do to the USA all the thigs USAnos deeply understand, under the mask of exceptionalism, to be horrible and scary.
>>2579378
not really immoral but definitely class traitor activity
>>2579347Who dafuq has 700k?
>>2578972>chick fil aa little on the nose to appear there, charlie
>>2579383Because self proclaimed “lefitists” have become disconnected from the proletariat and are now repeating the lies of mainstream media.
Real leftists are weaving in the shadows.
>>2578995in china you cannot own land, you can only lease it for up to 70 years
>>2578989yeah people need to come to terms with the fact that the kind of proles in England Marx was talking about in the 1860s-1880s were the underage Victorian factory worker who lost 3 fingers before the age of 15, or the malnourished asthmatic potter who died of pneumonia at 35, these are the types of people Marx talks about in Chapter 10 of volume 1:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm
<Dr. Greenhow states that the average duration of life in the pottery districts of Stoke-on-Trent, and Wolstanton is extraordinarily short. Although in the district of Stoke, only 36.6% and in Wolstanton only 30.4% of the adult male population above 20 are employed in the potteries, among the men of that age in the first district more than half, in the second, nearly 2/5 of the whole deaths are the result of pulmonary diseases among the potters. Dr. Boothroyd, a medical practitioner at Hanley, says:
<“Each successive generation of potters is more dwarfed and less robust than the preceding one.”
<In like manner another doctor, Mr. M’Bean:
<“Since he began to practice among the potters 25 years ago, he had observed a marked degeneration especially shown in diminution of stature and breadth.”
<These statements are taken from the report of Dr. Greenhow in 1860. [35]
<From the report of the Commissioners in 1863, the following: Dr. J. T. Arledge, senior physician of the North Staffordshire Infirmary, says:
<“The potters as a class, both men and women, represent a degenerated population, both physically and morally. They are, as a rule, stunted in growth, ill-shaped, and frequently ill-formed in the chest; they become prematurely old, and are certainly short-lived; they are phlegmatic and bloodless, and exhibit their debility of constitution by obstinate attacks of dyspepsia, and disorders of the liver and kidneys, and by rheumatism. But of all diseases they are especially prone to chest-disease, to pneumonia, phthisis, bronchitis, and asthma. One form would appear peculiar to them, and is known as potter’s asthma, or potter’s consumption. Scrofula attacking the glands, or bones, or other parts of the body, is a disease of two-thirds or more of the potters …. That the ‘degenerescence’ of the population of this district is not even greater than it is, is due to the constant recruiting from the adjacent country, and intermarriages with more healthy races.” [36]Where are these people today? They're mining cobalt in Africa. They're in Bangladeshi sweatshops. They're undocumented and stooping in your strawberry fields. This is why Lenin said:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jul/x01.htm<8. Parties in countries whose bourgeoisie possess colonies and oppress other nations must pursue a most well-defined and clear-cut policy in respect of colonies and oppressed nations. Any party wishing to join the Third International must ruthlessly expose the colonial machinations of the imperialists of its “own” country, must support—in deed, not merely in word—every colonial liberation movement, demand the expulsion of its compatriot imperialists from the colonies, inculcate in the hearts of the workers of its own country an attitude of true brotherhood with the working population of the colonies and the oppressed nations, and conduct systematic agitation among the armed forces against all oppression of the colonial peoples.and he also said:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/dec/15.htm<This is the essence of Rosa Luxemburg’s amusing error for which she was ridiculed a long time ago by German and Russian (August 1903) Social-Democrats; in their fear of playing into the hands of the bourgeois nationalism of oppressed nations, people play into the hands not merely of the bourgeois but of the reactionary nationalism of the oppressor nation.and this is also why labor aristocracy is not "irrelevant" even if it truly is only an upper stratum of workers (and police and troops) in the imperial core:
<Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.
<This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/pref02.htm<Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty. >>2579432>replied in 3 minutesIt seems you didn't read anything I said and allowed your prejudice to take over.
>>2579436Nobody reads this shit you spam everyday
>>2579428>in china you cannot own land, you can only lease it for up to 70 yearsThis is the same in much of the developed world, doing it in otherwise causes problems.
>>2579436You say the same shit every day. You say nothing is to be done here and Americans are inherently fascist and should wait for a 3rd world uprising that’s never coming. Disagree, please fuck off and die.
>>2579455I don’t even know why they’re trying to be “cute” with words at this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration >>2579459Cool it with the moralism kid
honkoid status?
>>2579459>You say nothing is to be done here and Americans are inherently fascistThat is not what I said at all.
>>2579441>Nobody reads this shit you spam everyday"this shit" is not "spam" it's just Marx and Lenin, and I do not "spam" it at all, let alone "every day". Most of my posts are not like that, but you wouldn't know that. I really hate that any time someone talks about core/periphery issues ITT they immediately get accused of being iron felix or saying all americans are fascist. I didn't say that at all, but you didn't read, you just spammed "schizo begone" while accusing me of spamming.
>>2579466 👈 not me btw, i don't make posts this low quality or dismissive
>>2579455>call to action by the xitter handle of a governmental agencywont someone please listen to the smol bean internet activist named Homeland Security?
>>2579469>not me btw, i don't make posts this low quality or dismissiveSure you don’t spammer
>>2579474I would ask you to tell me why i'm wrong but you're not even engaging with what I said at all. you're just making false accusations. if you don't want to read what I said then don't bother talking to me. that wastes less vertical space ITT
>>2579443>This is the same in much of the developed world, doing it in otherwise causes problems.pretty sure you can own land in perpetuity in the USA as long as you pay property tax
>>2579469>>2579475>>2579478How about make a different thread Felix dedicated to your proler than thou theory and stop shitting up this thread with your demoralizing fascist collaborationist theories.
>>2579475>>2579478>but you're not even engaging with what I said at allOf course fellatio, of course.
>>2579143
I am surprised you haven't been banned for posting this yet. Usually anything except slavishly worshipping the inherent magnanimity of the American people is a bannable offense here. Implying that the American people are willing and enthusiastic collaborators, while inarguably true, upsets the national chauvinists who run this site.
>>2579475geeeg go back to twitter
>>2579484Nobody here is joining the military, calm down.
>>25794811. i am not felix
2. what did I say that was wrong
3. i actually hate felix because i'm not allowed to address any of the same things he talks about without getting accused of being him even though i am 10x less hostile. notice how I haven't one called you a strasserite, collaborator, or fascist. notice how i'm not rambling about cpusanon, notice how i'm actually citing sources and i'm not telling you to build an army or anything like that?
nu-leftypol: quoting marx and lenin and citing source is a "bad" post and "spam" while calling someone schizo and adding nothing to the conversation is a "good" post
talking about core-periphery issues makes you a "third worldist" even if all you're saying is that there should be international solidarity between workers, especially when there is a new invasion gearing up, and people will pretend you are saying "all americans are fascist" even though you didn't say that and all you did was quote marx and lenin
>>2579428except for the fact that marx explicitly states that the social status of the proletarian is determined by his relation to capital and that the inequality of wealth in capitalist society dictates the needs of its members
I'm already in the air force I'm in a F-15 right now I can't post here long I'm supposed to fire some anti-ship missiles in the Caribbean
>>2579487i have never had a twitter account.
Seriously what is so offensive about this:
>>2579428what is "schizo" about quoting marx and lenin, and how did you get the idea that I am saying "all americans are fascist" out of this post? I think you're jumping the gun and assuming I'm felix just because I quoted lenin.
note I am not felix. here are the things felix does
>rant about cpusanon>call everyone strasserite>call everyone collaborators>call everyone fascisti have done none of the above, all I have said is that the core workers must show solidarity with anti-imperialist struggle, and I quoted lenin to prove my point. I think the most "offensive" thing I did was remind people that the immiserated malnourished proletariat of Victorian England who Marx was writing about lived and worked under more dangerous conditions than we do, because we fought for regulations and unions in the 20th century. That's not a bad thing! I'm not saying that's a bad thing!
>>2579479in china they don't pay property tax, and the the 70 year lease gets automatically renewed
>>2579493>except for the fact that marx explicitly states that the social status of the proletarian is determined by his relation to capital and that the inequality of wealth in capitalist society dictates the needs of its membersYes, that is from chapter 6 of wage labor and capital and I am the one who cited that text in a previous thread, but I also cited lenin's german/french preface to imperialism, and even though i cited both of those alongside one another, I still got accused of being "third worldist" or "felix." my point is that the standard of living is relative to the society and the development of class struggle in that society. I don't think health care is a "treat" I don't think americans have it easy. I do however think more anti-imperialist solidarity is necessary, especially with this venezuela shit heating up and these gaza weapons shipments continuing. What is wrong with that? How am I wrong?
>>2579491>>2579496What is your opinion of this guy, Fellatio?
>>2579494 The government just stated they've asked Maduro to flee to Russia. It's happening.
>>2579497interesting. thanks. didn't know that
>>2579496>what is "schizo" about quoting marx and leninIt means they don't have the theoretical backing to really argue with you, and they'd rather just get your goat because that's all they're here for.
>>2579500I think he should resist what the administration is asking him to do
You're not meant to argue in the /USApol/ thread. This is the hype and aura general.
>>2579500also I'm not iron felix, i report that guy whenever he shits up this thread because he basically shitcoats anti-imperialism
>>2579503>they'd rather just get your goat because that's all they're here for.why even come here? 4pol and reddit is better for that kinda thing
>>2579507ah yes, the famous in depth theory discussions of /pol/ and reddit.
>>2579507Because they aren't clever enough to survive in either.
>>2579510>ah yes, the famous in depth theory discussions of /pol/ and reddit.are you confused? I am saying people who come here just to troll and "Get people's goat" should go to reddit and 4pol.
>>2579496Anon I apologize, I should have read your post in full and mixed you up with Felix.
>>2579519no worries, though i will admit that was pretty frustrating
>>2579518Canadians live in the belly of the beast confirmed.
you understand they're rounding up non whites and dissidents. they're going to exterminate them. mechanized genocide is coming. the USA is fully a fascist country. has it sunk in? are you acting like it?
>>2579525yeah the americans will do it but it'll be like dachau in 1933, disorganised and pathetic
>>2579428>in china you cannot own land, you can only lease it for up to 70 years>you don't know what nail household is>all this orientalism masqueraded as Marxismbitch, in China your property
is your property. even if the government aims to build a megaproject, and you refuse to sell, no one will move you out of your fucking home.
gtfo, you reactoid bug who eats anti-communist propaganda.
Wake me up when the retard orange bites the bullet and strikes Venezuela. Or wake me up when they pussy out.
>>2579528>reactoid bug who eats anti-communist propaganda.that's a bit unfair, since the reason I brought it up was to say that nobody is a landlord anymore.
>>2579528I remember early in the dengist reforms corrupt party officials, knowing land was worth shit tons, bought up tons of farmer land, forced the farmers out by force and then sold it for random projects that had no real practical purpose just to make ridiculous amounts of money. I'm sure that's no longer an issue now, but it used to be.
>>2579347people are posting like
>1.7 mil for that housebut like
700k is also insane
the fuckign garage is bigger than the house part of the house
>>2579525>is comingit's already here, behold gaza
Is Honduras socialist yet
>>2579540Tony Blairs feudal kingdom hasn't been established yet
>>2579532and there wasn't a point bringing in that piece of anti-communist propaganda.
>muh 70 years of government land lease.literal stupidity.
>>2579128>>2579137Why guarantee your death as an avowed traitor when you can get weapons training, sabotage the army, frag a bunch of officers and potentially get away with it?
>>2579545i was first told about the 70 year leases as an example that a rentier class won't form around real estate. that was the reason I brought it up. why would you assume I brought it up as anti communist propaganda. you're just angry for no reason tbh.
>>2579546because I can just become a quaker and get conscientious objector status
>>2579484>>2579143it's wild that you show up RIGHT after I was accused of being you. did someone call you up and tell you to clock in?
>>2579548of course not, not real communism(TM) because they'd refuse to give you balloons! better overthrow the Communist Party of China and bring some more competent communist, democratic (TM) and with more freedoms (TM).
>>2579550>why would you be mad at anti-communist propagandayou are not in reddit, lib.
>>2578991>A Strong Floor is a sturdy foundation, one all our citizens can stand atop, fortified by planks that include access to education, healthcare, homes, jobs, capital, justice, security, infrastructure, functioning democracy, and credible information.
>We certainly have the resources, technology, and abundance to build this Strong Floor, but it’s not just about the floor.
>Americans have always looked up, not down, to strive for more. There should be No Ceiling to our aspirations, whether for a new immigrant, a small business owner, or, yes, a billionaire. We should be unafraid to applaud achievement and innovation. We do not need to vilify the most successful people and businesses.
>America succeeds as a nation —and can afford that Strong Floor—when we support companies big and small, elevate visionary entrepreneurs and leaders, and celebrate an attainable and growing middle class.
>These principles together form a new foundation for the American Dream, or a future where everyone has the opportunity to succeed, no matter where they start.https://www.strongfloornoceiling.us/ >>2579567PACO (Pam always cucks out)
>>2579567da war is comin home
Does anybody else think Marco Rubio always acts like a robot?
>>2579586i mean, coup d'etat
eventually. i think trump is setting the stage to remain in power once his term legally ends
>>2579554Would a fascist government care about quakers? Conscientious objectors would be seen as unpatriotic and de facto traitors. Realistically you will end up in a work camp at the very least.
>>2579588>he presents a radically moderate blueprint for restoring the American Dream through shared values and practical action."Nothing will fundamentally change."
>>2579567CIA shooter? I thought it was a national guard shooter. wait was there a separate incident where a glowie got shot? based if true.
>>2579567>olly ockbarthat is the most yakubian pronunciation i have ever heard
>>2579568following up from
>>2579590, here is the article where I learned it, which is a pro China article by He Zhao:
>2) Land remains collectivised, and leased to private persons or business entities for a maximum of 70 years. While home ownership numbers are extremely high in China compared to other countries, land inheritance does not exist, thus neither does generational land monopolies.How is it "anti-communist" and "orientalist" to bring up something I learned from He Zhao, who is not anti-communist?
(this is the part where a "third" person jumps in and attacks from the "other" direction)
>>2579542but mechanized genocide is already here, I wasn't talking about Tony Blair's personal ambitions in the region.
>>2579582>”And yes, even billionaires.”They’re trying to do the whole “rising tide lifts all boats” shit even though we’re getting hit by wave upon wave while we can see the billionaires cruising by in mega yachts.
>>2579600>I see you a lot here, you don’t live herewtf does this even mean lmfao
>>2579317You are certainly concerned with how white racists view the world. It seems that the whole of your politics is based around how white racists view things. This is not a surprise, given as you can only view things through a familiar perspective and these white racists are your closest comrades, but you'd think you would at least try to hide your open sympathies with fascists.
>>2579606If the mods would actually do their jobs and ban far rightists from this site, there wouldn't be a problem, and yet CPUSAnon is free to post his extreme national chauvinism, racism and nationalism unmolested while anyone who challenges him is banned.
>>2579610I barely even acknowledge him anymore. This feud is entirely his own obsession.
>>2579496You see how dangerous this site is for a leftist? Yet extreme far rightists like CPUSAnon are allowed to post their elaborate fantasies about beating anti-war protesters and pontificate endlessly about how white racists wouldn't approve of socialism so we must not do it.
This site is rightypol. CPUSAnon has successfully turned it into his little Reich with the help of the mods and anyone who cares to post anything even slightly left wing is ostracized and banned.
>>2579609
ok but i wasn't bringing it up to be anticommunist like anon was alleging
>>2579618If you think that the inevitable civil war is going to make American lives better you're more delusional that CPUSAnon. America needs a purge the likes of which the world has never seen before, it must be destroyed so utterly that it can never exist again and the vast majority of it's "people" either re-educated or simply shot.
>>2579620he's so cute bros
>>2579618Hey anon, I can’t do much now but if you want to have a mature conversation about things like uneven development of anti imperialism I’ll try to engage in good faith in the future. Might be smart to flag post just because Felix might try to shit up the discussion.
>>2579604Radlibs and Sakaiods have reinvigorated racism by pushing racialism instead of a color blind pan-human identity. People with white skin see the identity politics being pushed from liberals and idpol leftists and that reinforces their identity as Whites.
But fundamentally they are Human Proles who have been tricked.
>>2579608>while anyone who challenges him is banned.Maybe don't post actionable threats?
>>2579624If you're not actively planning to kill every fascist you see you are not a communist and never will be.
>>2579621Imperialism = shot term "benefit" (collaborator crumbs) at the cost of long term stability (socialism)
Socialism = long term benefit (a stable and prosperous society for everyone) at the cost of short term "benefits" (collaborator crumbs)
> the vast majority of it's "people" either re-educated or simply shot.even here, you put "people" in scarequotes because you're a hysterical moralist. instead of simply realizing that humans are just another animal, capable of doing horrible things if they perceive it to be in their best interest, you put the idea of "humanity" on a pedestal, and dehumanize those you see as "subhuman," in this case, americans. This is moralistic religioius garbage. The "vast majority" of humans would act like americans if they were born in america, because people are products of their environment. Yes america probably needs a revolutionary civil war and re-education, but if I try to re-educate americans about how imperialism lowers their quality of life in the long term in exchange for crumbs in the short term, you interrupt, and cry and bitch, and moan, and scream, and cum, and shit your pants about how no, actually every burger gets a pony when public schooling is privatized and the war budget triples.
Most working class people in general, including people in the imperial core, would live better without imperialism, because all the lives and money and productive forces that get wasted in the scramble over dwindling natural resources would have been better spent without the race to the bottom that is imperialism.
At the end of the day, even the children of the capitalists don't benefit from imperialism if their children don't get to inherit a habitable planet. How is that so hard to understand? Think of the rivers of blood getting spilled so that a handful of corporations can control some increasingly irrelevant fossil fuels. And meanwhile they privatize, deregulate, union bust, build more prisons, let infrastructure rot, so that more of the GDP can be fed into the war machine. It's counter revolutionary to tell workers they benefit from that. They might receive crumbs from it, but those crumbs pale in comparison to what they would enjoy in a post-revolutionary society. Yes revolution and civil war will suck to live through but that's the cost of ending imperialism.
>>2579625Talking in political categories isn't the problem. The problem is when you accuse everyone of being fascist for not 100% agreeing with your very particular minority views leftists have debated for over a hundred years. You then go even farther saying you want to kill specific posters for not agreeing with every single thing you believe.
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you fucking jakspammers just cockblocked my thread
>>2579624Their usual response is to claim that if you have any problem with what they’re saying or feel alienated by it you were always racist and just “showing your true colors”.
Reminds me of how the Weather Underground would psychologically torture new recruits by making them go through hours of crit where they’re forced to “confess” they were white supremacists. You agree with them? You’re a white supremacist. You tell them to fuck off? You’re a closet white supremacist.
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>>2579641>>2579640>Their usual response is to claim that if you have any problem with what they’re saying or feel alienated by it you were always racist and just “showing your true colors”.this is kind of just a psychological musing, but I've noticed there's a two sided nature to this conjecture. Let's say I get really drunk and act like an asshole and ruin the family holiday. the half of people who don't want to forgive me will say I showed my true colors when I got drunk. the half of people who want to forgive me will say I'm not really like that, and it was the alcohol talking.
But to me, there is no "true colors" people aren't eternally one way or another. they can change, even if it's highly unlikely.
>>2579658It’s kind of self-permission to dismiss critique imo. Sort of like saying people opposed to a surveillance state only are opposed to it because “they’ve got something to hide.”
>>2579640>Reminds me of how the Weather Underground would psychologically torture new recruits by making them go through hours of crit where they’re forced to “confess” they were white supremacists. You agree with them? You’re a white supremacist. You tell them to fuck off? You’re a closet white supremacist.Every single cult in the world from Thelema, to Scientology, to Christians do it.
>here is why you should feel guilty>tell me what you are guilty about>you can tell me your se7crets, you can trust me tee hee heeThen they blackmail you emotionally or literally with what you told them.
>>2579666truth nuke and devil trips
>>2579206>It's cracked but the deep state is deeply afraid of the possibility of an organized revolutionary movement led by a "Black messiah."yeah they killed fred hampton for the same reason, and he was an even bigger threat, despite being much younger (killed at 21)
>>2579148>>2579133what's funny is rubio (or maybe it was ted cruz) once admitted that his father fled batista, not castro, despite lying about that for years
>>2579592>CIA shooter? I thought it was a national guard shooter.The guy who was the shooter worked for the CIA in Afghanistan.
>>2579347where the fuck is that house located that its 1.7 million? the fuck?
the house I grew up in is much nicer and it has like 900k value at most…
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