🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Black Friday Edition🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔
>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. <Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.mdhttps://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list📺 Glowie News 📺(sponsored by the Burger Eagle Freedom Institute (formerly USAID))
• CNN:
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html• MSNBC:
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html• FOX:
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html• Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us🏚️ Local News 🏚️https://www.50states.com/ce/✊Live Protest Streams✊https://woke.net/🏝️ Epstein's Client List🏝️https://epsteinsblackbook.com/🇮🇱 Track Zionazis (warning: ShareBlue)🇮🇱https://www.trackaipac.com/📖Read, Burgga, Read! 📖https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXUFLW8t2sntNn5jQO8vF7ai9x0fna3PVPrevious thread:
>>2574574Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Periodic reminder that climate change poses an existential threat to human civilization within our lifetimes and if your strategy for social revolution does not take that into account by pushing for a revolution within our lifetime, your strategy is objectively wrong
The USA is a fascist nation.
The USA is the biggest and most urgent threat to humanity.
>>2576296
>left-populism
liberalism
>messaging
liberalism
>affordable
liberalism
>conservation
climate change isn't about "conservation" of "nature" it's about the runaway greenhouse gas effect
>>2576296
>affordable
Counter revolutionary reformism
>>2576296>>2576309>>2576310Fuck all of you, Marg Bar Amrika. Al Maut to isreal and amriki. Kys & nuke yourself ffs
that anon has a point though
Someone post good bait
Fuck Amerikkka, amirite guys?
>>2576320>>2576321Noooooooooo you cant say that thats not a class struggle watchword nooooo
>>2576345>walkable cities>drive by oneAmericans still cannot comprehend the idea of pedestrianisation. They NEED a car.
>>2576296
I think just pointing out how much the problem is the rich, flying around in private jets and stuff
>>2576307The premises of stageism don't even apply today, so there's pretty much no need to BTFO it further, it was devised as a theory for agrarian "semi-feudal" economies in the 20th century in the first place
>>2576416China is stageist.
>>2576434China is just running on the fumes of ML legitimacy because the leadership wishes to keep the current system going and has no idea what comes next, because alternative tendencies within the party have long since been purged. There's a body of theory behind it I've seen on /PRC/, which made me think they would follow through, but rather than going through the road map of stages I think they're just going to commit a USSR at some point in the coming decades.
>>2576440>they're just going to commit a USSR at some point in the coming decades.Difficult to say what will happen decades from now but would party leadership really give up political control? What incentive could they have to give up actual power they currently hold for the empty promises of joining the bourgeois who will absolutely stab them in the back the first chance they get? Giving up political power would be against their personal interest as the USSR proved.
>>2576453>What incentive could they have to give up actual power they currently hold for the empty promises of joining the bourgeois who will absolutely stab them in the back the first chance they get? Giving up political power would be against their personal interest as the USSR proved.Didn't tons of party apparatchiks become billionaires?
>>2576453I don't think the party would be in full control of this decision. The crossroads could be at the limit of how much capitalism can really improve the quality of life for the proletariat in China, that's when the party will be forced to make uncomfortable decisions. So either the proletariat rises up or the system collapses and apparatchiks scavenge the remains like
>>2576454 said.
>>2576454Some did, but not most. And of those billionaires may got destroyed over the years anyway. So despite main character syndrome being temping to believe in, rational people wouldn't abandon current control in exchange for possibly becoming a billionaire one day and being eliminated later by other billionaires later anyway. How rational upper level Chinese communist party member's are is debatable but they must be aware of the risk because they constantly go over the USSR's failures and Russia's limitations.
>>2576457>I don't think the party would be in full control of this decision. It never is. But the difference between USSR and PRC is the party in China keep political control while letting the markets advance while the USSR abandoned both economic and political control. It's been over 30 years at this point and keeping political control has been proven the winning strategy.
>>2576466
The gosplan was the main issue. There was a significant problem with corruption especially after Khrushchev and the gosplan never managed to truly know what was needed and where it was most needed. Remember that Khrushchev was given a plan to computerise the gosplan but I'm pretty sure it was going to cost five times more than the space program. Gorby re-attempted to computerise it in the 80's with "Intensification 90" but by that point the corruption was too much to control and already oligarchs were draining the economy by buying American computers and selling them back to the USSR for a extortionately inflated price.
>>2576466
The USSR was still growing before and even during Gorby, by the usual bourgeois economic metrics, as is China. From the little history I'm aware of, it seemed more like the managers of production simply seized the opportunity on the existing power they already had by the time the reforms rolled around. And as a newborn capitalist, why would you bother to cooperate with the communists when there's nationalists and liberals who would give you free reign to loot the economy without bothering you with social-democratic nonsense?
Bla¢kkk Friday death toll?
>>2576440China is stageist though. They are in early stages of development towards communism.
>>2576454There are cultural differences between china and russia.
>>2576480In fact, the capitalists of China learned from the Soviet Union that they should never drop the Mao cult nor the socialist aesthetic to remain politically stable, specially among the rural population.
>>2576502You have seen the treatment of rural peasants after Dengs reforms, right?
Did anyone else watch the Breakthrough News segment on Chinese democracy? Interesting stuff.
>>2576481Billions. The oppressor treatlerite nations all just died in their endless struggle for labubu matcha treat. I'm happy to inform you that /USApol/ is all balkaners LARPing as americans from now on.
Material explanation why the stereotypical american figure today is a fat dude with a beard and glasses ?
>>2576524Prepare for the Burgeriech Labour Front.
>>2576480Wrong. Your revisionism is pathetic. Social fascism cannot grow long term because it is capitalism. Even capitalism grows faster than monopoly capitalist social fascism. Social fascist Russia was wracked with routine crises because it was capitalist, unlike China. Unlike Communist China, social fascists couldnt give workers and peasants shoes. Unlike Communist China, social fascist Russia didnt measure economic growth or build innovation. Social fascists measured economic growth in tons of low quality steel. Read che notes on social fascsm
>>2576502There are no capitalists in China. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated.
>>2576459See attachment
>>2576434Wrong. China is not stagist. The Party line is not stagist because the primary phase of socialism is not capitalism. To say one phase of Communism comes before another is not stagism. It is stagism to say Communism is impossible in China because china was semi-feudal and must first go through capitalism to make Communism possible
>>2576537I don't think you'll convince anyone by repeating yourself like a retard
>>2576545They deleted and reposted. /leftypol/ is still garbage that doesn't tell people when posts are deleted.
>>2576537Trvke. Unlike USSR China doesnt have a kolkhozes
>place ideas over reality
>get into the White House
<economy goes to shit
<popularity among the youth slipping again
<fracture into infighting
<tarnished by association with a senile president, bad economics and one of the most hated subcultures of recent times
<its attempts to create a martyr out of Charlie Kirk fall flat because nobody gives a shit about trolls
<nobody except the MAGA base is buying their attempts to create some Great Unifying Narrative because everyone is too broke to be fooled
Is there a better practical example of culturalism’s utter fucking boneheadeness than the American New Right? I’ve never seen an ideology cuck itself as bad as this in my lifetime
>>2576320every day this country somehow gets worse… we're an absolute hellhole and it would be really nice if people would start actually fucking standing up to the elites. i like to think there's a chance to save it even if incredibly slim
>>2576296
my favorite is the "all shopping bags must be reusable!!!!!!!" laws which just make the stores offer bags with way more volume in plastic and offload the cost to the customer… and some of the customers throw the fucking bags out so the waste problem just got worse while the libtards pretend they're saving duh planet
zootopia 2 is an israel/palestine allegory btw
zootopia 2 is an adaptation of They Live btw
>>2576577hot take: just bring a bag from home when you go shopping. i know, mind blowing.
>>2576577make it so that you have to buy hemp bags, which are durable to hell and back, and can be made nice so you don't want to throw the damn things out, aand oh wait we banned hemp
lmao
>>2576595I want our government to collapse if only so that monsters like this can eat shit
>>2576595>be israeli>most israelis live outside of israel>volunteer to kill people that I really really hate>those people I want to murder look exactly like me<Fucking subhuman shitskins!!!!!!>go back to glorious urope or US after serving in the SS diaperwanger division>ICE spots my ass and shoots me for looking arabSuch is life.
>>2576650>destroy someone's country w/ imperialism>create migrant crisis>they rightly determine that your country is a good destination because it's the one places your bombs, sanctions, and coups never happen>snap from PTSD and kill burger reich troops<heheh ,this proves people should be locked inside of war zones and less free to move than the resources we loot>rinse and repeatbtw these people want to mass migrate boers and banderites so don't believe a word they say when they pretend they're against it
>another Socialism in the 21st Century DemSoc party
How is Honduras going to be any different to the TOTALLY LEGIT results of the Ecuadoran election?
>>2576722This doesn't sound like a convenient excuse to economically assault a prominent BRICS economy. Nope.
>>2576709>narco communistsBro this fucker KNOWS how full of shit he is and still lies like he wants cocaine doing things with epstine to unfortunate teenage girls
>>2576726*like he wasn't on cocaine
>>2576709even cuba has guantanamo still. there's no escaping the burger reich it seems
>>2576726>>2576729this government has literally funded narco terrorism all over the world for several decades and now they are turning around and pretending actually the people we were trying to overthrow all along are narco terrorists
>>2576722>muh white genocide whining and projecting just like the israelis
I remember that in fucking Black Ops II the invasion of panama is depicted and the anti-capitalist noonoo boo boo bad guy is a cocaine dealer and the nationalist militia types are not when it was the other way around.
>Honduras elects socialist government
>politely asks American bases to go away
I can see what's about to happen.
>>2576743And in BO you have to kill Castro lol
Forget American neo-colonialism to keep up growth. We are in full on crisis mode since at least 2022. I guarantee in the next 10 years the US military is going to invade practically all of Central America and turn them into puppet regimes.
>>2576768america can't even invade jamaica. its that weak
>>2576770They don't need to invade Jamaica, they want the countries with large amounts of resources or trading routes. They no longer have the economic power to force countries like Russia to do its bidding anymore because of China. They no longer have the seemingly unlimited amount of commercial influence to get people to trade by their specific rules. Because of that they will have to bully countries that are impoverished and just on the USAs doorstep so they can get away with it without much resistance.
>>2576743>>2576746one of those games blames the highway of death on iraq. these aren't accidents.
>>2576775They tell the truth or half-truth but then blame it on the opposite party. It's almost too obvious.
Atleast the games are so low quality now that nobody plays them anymore
America needs an empire in all but name to fix its trade deficit.
>>2576768As if all of central America isn't dominated by compradores, there's nothing they can get out of central America by invading that they aren't already getting. There's no way to invade out of an internal crisis short of bombing every factory in south east Asia to turn back the development clock. If they do invade out of sheer imbecilic commitment to whatever backwards jingoistic ideology, it's going to be a quagmire that the US will be unable to climb out from
>>2576768Our government is too incompetent and up its own ass to not screw the pooch on military quagmires
This is a good thing >>2576537Don't take SinoSoviet Split propaganda too seriously. Mao was right to be angry at Khrushchev's stupid policies but he should listened to USSR engineers about the Great Leap Forward, not sided with the USA not have proxy wars with the USSR and not have permanently split the communist movement.
Also the USSR wasn't that bad for their citizens. Certainly better than all other third world capitalist countries. Saying the average citizen didn't have basic products like shoes is blatant lies.
"War, this monster of mutual slaughter among men, will be finally eliminated by the progress of human society, and in the not too distant future too. But there is only one way to eliminate it and that is to oppose war with war, to oppose counterrevolutionary war with revolutionary war, to oppose national counter-revolutionary war with national revolutionary war, and to oppose counter-revolutionary class war with revolutionary class war…. When human society advances to the point where classes and states are eliminated, there will be no more wars, counter-revolutionary or revolutionary, unjust or just; that will be the era of perpetual peace for mankind."
- Mao, 1936
Revolution status?
>>2576799i like how they make him sound like a Mexican-American
>>2576799>insanely grindy bossfight>repetitive dialog>"why do you hate america">end cutscene is pissing on Hugo Chavez's corpsedudebros everywhere point to this and pretend this was a subversive, fun, and counter-hegemonic game while whining how we must retvrn to this from wokeness or w/e
>>2576801"the job market's flat timmy, but don't worry, you can use your STEM degree in the US military, supporting these new wars"
>>2576811Aren't call of duty games and like far cry that already, evil Cubans and Colombians? And then they're so miserable and uncompelling that the latest call of duty has everyone on drugs
>>2576811Postal 3 is widely considered to be a dog shit game and iirc was made by a different studio than the first 2
>>2576833postal 1 and 2 were also edgelord lolbertarian dudebro ideology distilled
The facade slips eventually. Since the private sector essentially dictates foreign and domestic policy, any retard can be leader of a western nation. None of them have any real political views, of course.
>>2576837hasbara slop
>>2576847Never understood why idiot or moron is fine but not retarded. They are all old school medical terms for people with mental disabilities but only one of the terms was considered off limits.
>>2576846I got my peepee slapped on a reddit "lefty" sub for calling someone an idiot. They claimed it was ableist
>>2576847I'll never be able to prove that this is all socially engineered but it's very 🕵️♂️ how retard came back in vogue overnight at the same time Silicon Valley took an interest in normalizing eugenics and breeding programs
>>2576799Still not as reactionary and counter-revolutionary as Bioshock Infinite.
>>2576868yeah but nobody played bioshock infinite
The USA is fascist.
>>2576884Neocolonialist. Too unproductive for fascistic expansion.
>>2576884Too fat to be fascist.
>>2576852 art
nice rick and morty hair cut in the tumbnill
>>2576894
sure. gimme all your money.
>>2576903You can just do things
>>2576903But Reagan used an autopen…
I am hereby banning tuna sandwiches. I do not like them.
>>2576722>MUH WHITESIDK
The western rightoids seem to be decided on making "western" nationalism work, by forcing "white" nationalism into the discourse until it mutates.
But I'm not so sure this kind of goy slop (Zionism is a big player in re-educating the right and setting the new scapegoats) can work outside discourse. I think the Nazoids and assorted fascists who believe this stuff for real, are gonna find themselves surrounded by a majority of the sort of people "volunteering" to defend Ukraine.
Especially if the vehicle to keep the culture war spinning remains mostly social media. For the same reasons that you can't turn gambling addicts into soldiers by inserting patriotic slop into the slot machines.
>>2576914The USA is a fascist nation.
>>2576919
>There's a reason China doesn't do it.
Because they don't need it. Mass immigration is not a moral or ideological decision, you know. It's an economic one. When cheap foreign labour in the far east runs dry we rely more and more on immigrant labour because they're willing to do jobs fat suburban settled citizens are not. That, too, will become uneconomical. And the reaction of course is anti-immigration populism. Not because of any real moral outrage or received culture war, but because the private sector wants skilled labour.
>>2576936>because they're willing to do jobs fat suburban settled citizens are notNo it is that they are willing to do it for such low pay that others won't do it. Millions of Americans would gladly do those jobs for a higher wage.
>>2576930Damn…that's messed up, dude…
>>2576941>Millions of Americans would gladly do those jobs for a higher wage.But you will never get a higher wage. Because the economy will continue to stagnate. But you will work in the fields. I assure you you will.
>>2576943Okay the point is they will do it for lower wages because they don't have worker rights. Your framing that it is Americans are lazy or are not willing to hard work is incorrect. There are millions of Americans right now doing disgusting jobs in dirtiness and others that destroy your body but it's for a higher wage. A person here illegally had no choices and is in fear of being deported hence they do that job for dirt low pay. Has nothing to do with how hard it is or how easy it is
>>2576936Not only economic, also linked to politics and wars obviously, with all the shit the US and it's allies have done recently
>>2576936>the private sector wants skilled labourThen why are they going against H1-B visas?
>>2576954Recently, I mean with Gulf war, Afghanistan war, irak, Lybia etc
>>2576954>>2576958America is kicking out a lot of its Afghan and Iranian defectors, so they're all fucked now. Guess their intelligence gathering back in Afghanistan wasn't enough.
Fascist country. It's people have fascist values. Example:
>>2576962
Normalize calling it fascist. They themselves identify as such and are not ashamed of it.
>>2576972The Democrats are fascist collaborators.
If fascism is capitalism in decay, what do we call it when the decay of capitalism is itself decaying?
>>2576973>Its people have fascist valuesFTFY
t. grammar fascist
I don't say retarded because that's offensive to the mentally challenged. But I do call retards retards.
>>2576983
>Latinx
>>2576983
truke
I'm not reading that.
>>2576991What if we can summarize this into a 15 second tik tok video with dancing? Will you then hear our plead?
>>2576997I'd rather you didn't overanalyse the use of the word "retarded". There are more important matters.
>>2576903The Trump admin has basically been doing one long Nullification Crisis since it came to power. Like Judges have made some attempts to restrain him but the Government basically decides to ignore court orders. I think there have even been judges saying they're giving up on pushing back because Trump just ignoring their rulings continuously is "a bad look" or whatever.
>>2576841loomer grabbed the phone for this one
>>2576894
Engels was rich. But maybe you should stop asking permission to be socialist and just be socialist. With all due respect we have tons of threads where people are like "can I be rich and still left wing? can I be racist and still left wing? can I hate women and still be left wing? can I be against immigration and still be left wing?" It's so tiresome. Stop asking permission. What difference does it make? People are always mixed bags anyway. The individualism is besides the point. You work towards shared goals rather than asking for permission about the other stuff you don't have in common.
>>2577029>against Colombia*Columbia. the fictional city in the sky that ran on slavery, not the South American country.
>>2576962
get over it. capital will always bring in international diasporas to divide the labor movement. you have to work through that not become reactionary over it.
>>2577046Don't read her garbage, then.
>>2577049I am hoping Felix finds her from reading my posting
>>2577046Lol, when you're CIA operative turns against you
>>2577046we're are at war w ismalomraxism
>>2577041It's not exactly reactionary to point out that Indians aren't skilled laborers or have a culture compatible with the modern world.
(Reactionary) >>2577046shit like this always has me questioning is there grifters or just really fucking dumb
>>2577072>culture comparable with the modern world yeah that doesn't sound racist at all
Honduras has the chance to do the funniest thing on the 30th
>>2577051Nah he’ll just say she’s objectively to the Left of everyone here and how he’s too weak to do anything on his own, but you not killing her yourself is a sign you agree with her.
>>2576903Yeah he can terminate all EOs whenever with no congress approval, I'm surprised it took him this long
>>2577091China is genuinely not as compromised by Israel as we are. Take the plank out of your eye before complaining about the splinter in your neighbor’s
>>2577083I don’t think I’ll ever understand the conservative Jewish mindset. Like with Black Republicans at least there’s this sense of loathing your own race and imagining yourself as being elevated above the rest of them and given special privileges. With Jewish conservatives it’s “be Nazis towards everyone except for us.”
>>2577091>top trading partner of Israel, refusing to support the resistance in any form while even condemning the resistance, praising Israel and pandering to themDo you have a single source to back that up.
literally all india needs is socialism and it could be the most powerful advanced society in east asia second only to china
>>2577091The BALLS and cynicism necessary for Israel to condemn anyone of unfair treatment towards minorities…
>>2577095shut the fuck up and kill yourself
>>2577095No country needed a cultural revolution more than India.
>>2577098go back to /pol/ loser
>>2577098No. I will not shut the fuck up. If India became prosperous and socialist there would be no incentive for Indians to get American jobs. You should want prosperity and socialism for India if you don't want them taking jobs in America.
>>2577105
Let me guess, is there some kind of resource or access to same important trade route in Honduras?
>>2577108land access to México from the other side. setting up the invasion.
>>2577105
>I will be granting a Full and Complete Pardon to Former President Juan Orlando Hernandez
hmm🤔
<Juan Orlando Hernández Alvarado … is a Honduran lawyer, former politician and convicted drug trafficker … The United States specifically charged Hernández with accepting millions of dollars in bribes from narcotraffickers since 2004, and in particular the Sinaloa Cartel, led at the time by Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, since 2012. The indictment states that Tony Hernández collected the bribes using men armed with machine guns; in exchange, Juan Orlando Hernández conspired to protect smugglers from investigation and arrest, specifically providing "access to law enforcement and military information, including data from flight radar in Honduras.
🤔🤔🤔
>>2577118no no no no you don't understand, he's a based drug trader.
>>2577118Sinaloa cartel is 100% a CIA op. Makes sense they would protect their members against rival narcos.
>>2577097Unironically saw a Jewish dude who went to a BLM protest complain that he saw Palestinian flags and heard people talk about Palestine solidarity. Lots of
>”they aren’t even close to the same thing!”>”it’s a real betrayal that we’re going out to support black people only for them to support antisemitism”>”They should’ve been told to leave, they’re trying to make the protest about them!”Basically the Holocaust is treated as giving Israel one free genocide.
>>2577105At this point a Trump endorsement in foreign countries has to be a kiss of death, right?
>>2577128Sarah Hurwitz recently said, and I quote:
>“And you know I think unfortunately, the very smart bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-semitism education in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential, but I think it may be confusing some of our young people about antisemitism,” Hurwitz said. “Because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think oh, antisemitism is like anti-black racism, right? Powerful white people against powerless black people. So, when on TikTok all day long, they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians, it’s not surprising that they think, Oh, I know the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people.” >>2577128for popularity sure. but popularity doesn't matter. see milei
>>2576972>"Democrats running in the future should"be hung alongside their rethuglican colleagues
>>2576864>>2576875the year is 2045, nick fuentes is in the fuhrer bunker. Russian and Chinese troops from the jungle gang division are closing in on the white house, having defeated the last division of azov battalion mercenaries led by general kanye west. Fuentes sucks the barrel of a pistol, but it fails to fire, because it was made in america. he commands his furry nazi tradwife femboy vice president sex slave to call up CIA chief candace owens. she answers
"yes mein fuhrer?"
"burn the evidence. none of this happened, but if it did, it was based, and should happen again."
>>2577138Yeah I saw that and I was pretty morally disgusted. It was a real cynicism catalyst for me when I saw supposed “progressive” or “liberal” Jewish activists—people I’d seen who’d talk a big game about needing to have a reckoning with the past and all the horrors of it, suddenly clam up and say the “situation is complicated” in regards to Palestine.
>>2577148>>2577138She's just openly admitting what everyone has been saying about all that holocaust propaganda they've been spamming us with as children was all just about empowering Jews.
If anyone else were to point this out they'd run them out of society as an antisemite.
>>2577168That's not what she said at all. But good try.
>>2577170Nah that's exactly what she said
new poll
>Socialism is commonly defined as "a social and economic system that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources."
>Generally speaking, do you agree or disagree with the principles of socialism?"
Agree: 42%
Disagree: 39%
>>2577173Teaching people about the Holocaust does not discourage them from criticising Zionism. Zionists coopt the horrors of the Holocaust and use it as an excuse for their own genocide. That does not invalidate the importance of the Holocaust.
>>2577176People are dumb. That's just a fact of life.
Socialism will never be achieved through converting people. It is through material circumstances that socialism occurs, when the working class is fed up with the current mode of production and instead of holding it ransom for concessions they go further and take over the bourgeois mechanisms of the state. Do you think the average prole in 1917 knew what the fuck socialism was?
>>2577093>>2577148American Jews often inhabit a weird space that is shaped by their particular history in this country. Most of them arrived here from the Russian Empire more than a century ago. Many were attracted to socialism (early on) but most became model liberals (and also successful career-wise) and they vibed very well with that going back to Franklin Roosevelt. The idea of being Jewish and a patriotic American are relatively easy to combine in the same package because of the liberal universalism that pervades the national ideology. Then Israel formed after the war and they also supported that because it's a Jewish state.
But while Israeli Jews share the same religion, they are really a whole different people who drew very different conclusions from the 20th century. That puts these liberal American Jews in a contradictory position because they're liberal in most respects except for this one big exception. There's a pejorative term that's often used by anti-Zionist left Jews called "PEP Jews" which means "progressive except Palestine."
"Modern Orthodox" Zionist Jews like Ben Shapiro take a right-wing approach which I think is closer to Zionism as it really is there especially as carried into politics by Likud. And in the U.S. he tries to mesh this with conservative politics through a shared "Western Judeo-Christian Civilization" framework (which is not Israeli Zionism so much). These types also play up aspects of Jewish identity politics more to affirm being Jewish, like Shapiro wearing his kippah/yarmulke or Batya Ungar-Sargon wearing a highly visible Maghen David necklace. But again, that's also contradictory because there are all these groypers on the American right.
One thing they all have in common though is that they're Americans. They're not Israelis. If there's a thread running through Israeli Zionism (in Israel), it's a brutal and blunt one that the world is basically a hostile place and they're not going to explain themselves to ANYBODY and if you have a problem with that then you need to deal with the IDF first. Israeli propaganda does cynically try to maneuver Americans to support them, but within their own context among each other it's a different mentality (which is why they're quite bad at P.R. because they give zero fucks about their image deep down even though they do realize on some level they have an image problem). It's not based on a framework of liberal "tolerance" nor is based on trying to reason with antisemites either although, like I said, they may cynically be like "what about the minorities in X country don't you care about them why are you hating on us huh."
>>2577168American liberal Jews are not being insincere when they construct a Holocaust framework around "museum of tolerance" and "don't discriminate against minorities" and "antisemitism is like anti-black racism" because that is their actual historical experience in the United States. They view that as empowering for Jews because it has been in this country. It's just contradictory given their support for Israel. She's actually quite self-aware and also not really "wrong" within a Zionist framework.
>>2577170That's exactly what she said.
>>2577177You're now inventing things not said. What the fuck did it have to do with my summary of her statement. Now you're backpedaling to a stawman point nobody made.
>>2577177>Teaching people about the Holocaust does not discourage them from criticising Zionism.No one here is arguing against teaching about the Holocaust, I guess you're the one who can't read for shit.
>>2577170Sorry you got psyopped by the jews bro
>>2577180>American liberal Jews are not being insincere when they construct a Holocaust framework around "museum of tolerance" and "don't discriminate against minorities" and "antisemitism is like anti-black racism" because that is their actual historical experience in the United States.What does that mean? Jews in the US have been not discriminated against anywhere near like Black people in America, and nothing like what happened in Europe. They've been even less discriminated against than the Chinese or even the Irish. The only story they point to over and over again is the Leo Frank story, where their version of events is: "Of course the uyghur did it!"
>>2577181You have stated very clearly that teaching about the holocaust is a propaganda ploy to make zionist jews seem blameless in the face of zionist atrocity.
The holocaust is a sensitive topic that should be explained realistically. Every historian worth his salt will tell you the soap and the lampshade stuff was an over exaggerated report made in the heat of the moment during the war when the facts had not been properly analysed and stuff like that, or that most victims died from einsatsgruppen round ups and simple firing squad executions rather than in the camps. If anything the zionist usage of the holocaust as some kind of protective shield for the mechanised slaughter of an entire population centre akin to the ghettos in Poland shows we have learnt absolutely nothing.
>>2577188>You have stated very clearly that teaching about the holocaust is a propaganda ploy to make zionist jews seem blameless in the face of zionist atrocity. You're now changing the point. Are you saying I gave an inaccurate summary of what she said or not? You fucking weasel.
>>2577170>That's not what she said at all. But good try. >>2577105Let's be real, Maduro isn't based enough to be a narcoterrorist. Another case of American conservatives making their enemies seem cooler than they actually are.
>>2577115Doing everything you can to reach your goals is morally good. Only liberals disagree.
>>2577185How many blacks showed up at Palestine protests? How many showed up at BLM protests?
You see what I mean.
Not interested in "oppression olympics," it's a difference of degree, and while Jews may be considered white now, historically they are a non-Christian minority in this country that has vibed over the years with the idea that expanding liberal universalism (except for Palestine!) is in THEIR interests as a people. That's how people really work in the real world. People get uncomfortable with that idea but the fact that people personally stand to gain from expanding civil rights and social tolerance doesn't mean they're faking it.
>>2577194Personally I think bad things are bad. But that's just me.
>>2577182Why wouldn't you argue against it, given that the reason it's pushed is to put jews on a pedestal and give them impunity when they're carrying out a genocide? It's obviously all being done in bad faith so why not oppose it. The veracity is irrelevant, it's a psyop, and they admit it.
>>2577199Nah, the problem is deeper than that. She's saying the way the Holocaust is taught is that people are taught the strong shouldn't just crush the weak and have no mercy or pity towards them. You can't square that with support for Israel.
>>2577199>Why wouldn't you argue against itI think it should be taught as any other atrocity, the complaint Sarah Hurwitz is making is that the takeaway from children learning about the holocaust is that this is a sort of atrocity that could easily apply to any other group of people, including palestinians, so there's obviously something good about teaching it.
>>2577196Kantian brainworms are the real reason western leftists keep failing. Maybe just before right-wingers dump them in a mass grave they might realize, but then it will be too late.
>>2577204Not entirely sure how hard drug trafficking will force the American left to abandon reformism, anon. But sure.
>>2577207Not being involved in drug trafficking is just a symptom. Shows lack of moral fiber, the drive to win no matter the costs.
>>2577210I know you're joking so I'll let it slide.
>>2577210I just noticed the flag lol
I hope the North Koreans invade and send 80% of you to labor camps for maybe 5+ years. Hopefully 5+ years of no chan posting, fresh air and manual labor will make you think normally and look at human beings as human beings.
>>2577215The North Koreans are racist as all hell. Wtf are you smoking?
>>2577222Yeah see this is why you need to be send to a re-education camp.
>>2577222>The North Koreans are racist as all hellcan I get a source on this claim that isn't from the USA or a US ally?
>>2577222what a waste of a get with this nonsense.
>>2577199you realize that people besides jews were killed in the holocaust, right? Especially slavs and communists.
>>2577228a triple on a slow board is a boring get
>>2577229and the workshy
and the disabled
and roma
and homosexuals
and jehovahs witnesses (they refused to fight or salute the flag)
>>2577229We're not being force fed holocaust propaganda for geopolitical reasons by the Roma lobby bro… if the jews weren't killed in it no one could care about it by now
>>2577233>if the jews weren't killed in it no one could care about it by nowyeah dude nobody will remember the most sophisticated mechanised mass slaughter programme in human history with an estimated 10 million dead, 17 million if you count POWs and Soviet citizens. 6 million being Jews. Not a single Polish persons family not having been affected. I'm sure we'd all have forgotten by now. You fucking moron.
>>2577211>>2577212I'm using the flag as the closest to what I'm saying and exaggerating for effect. Thought of the FARC flag but their defenders stridently deny their involvement in the drug trade and I don't care to debate it.
Seriously though, if leftists can justify the use revolutionary violence as means to an end and consider it moral, then why can they not use the drug trade as a means to an end to fund their activities and grow in strength? If leftist lose they will end up murdered by fascists so it seems strange to suddenly turn into a doctrinaire Kantian on this one issue. Not only is your own life on the line but communism itself.
>>2577227>can I get a source on this claim that isn't from the USA or a US ally?Their own statements they put out.
https://espressostalinist.com/2015/07/30/the-dprk-on-race/
>The following is an editorial entitled, “The Idea of a Multinational, Multiracial Society Means Destruction of the Korean Nation” that ran on April 27, 2006 in Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of the Central Committee of the Workers’ Party of Korea. Above it is a press release published in the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) about the article and summing up its conclusions. To avoid accusations of mistranslation, the original article in Korean is linked below, as well as the KCNA release summing up the article in English.
>Statements like this published in the state media of a supposedly “socialist” country in the 21st century should raise concerns for anti-revisionists around the world, especially since this is not the first time official DPRK press has made nationalist and racially chauvinist statements, as evidenced by a recent article calling Obama a “monkey” as well as “dirty fellow” and somebody who “does not even have the basic appearances of a human being,” with such passages as, “It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the breadcrumbs thrown by spectators,” which drew widespread condemnation.
>The official ideology of the DPRK is Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, formerly just Kimilsungism, based on the Juche concept that officially supplanted Marxism-Leninism in 1972. An analysis of the features of Juche reveal that it is a brand of revisionism. Neo-Nazi white supremacists, racism and cultish behavior have also been extensively documented among pro-DPRK groups that promote Juche and Songun.Rodong Sinmun Censures Theory of “Multiracial Society”
<Pyongyang, April 27 (KCNA) — A strange farce to hamstring the essential characters of the Korean nation and seek for “multiracial society” is now being held in south Korea. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today runs a signed commentary, which censures the farce as an unpardonable bid to negate the homogeneity of the nation, make south Korea multiracial and Americanize it. To deny the peculiarity and advantages of the homogeneous nation now that dominationism and colonialism are posing a threat to the destiny of weak nations is a treacherous act of weakening the spirit of the nation, the commentary says, and goes on: The south Korean pro-American traitorous forces advocating the theory of “multiracial society” are riffraffs who have not an iota of national soul, to say nothing of the elementary understanding of the view on the nation and social and historic development.
<If the homogeneity of the nation is not kept, the nation and the destiny of individuals cannot be defended from the U.S. dominationist moves and the attempt of the Japanese reactionaries for invasion of Korea, which is revealed in their claim to Tok Islet, cannot be checked.
<The theory of “multiracial society” is a poison and anti-reunification logic aimed to emasculate the basic idea in the era of independent reunification. The anti-national logic is advocated in south Korea, contrary to the aspiration of the fellow countrymen. This is ascribable to the criminal attempt of the pro-American elements including the Grand National Party to make the north and the south different in lineages, block the June 15 era of reunification and seek the permanent division of the nation and the manipulation of the U.S. behind the scene.
<The commentary calls upon the people from all walks of life in south Korea to decisively reject the anti-national moves of the sycophantic traitorous forces to tarnish the lineage of the Korean nation and obliterate it, bereft of the Juche character and national character.https://web.archive.org/web/20150425054931/http://kcna.co.jp/item/2006/200604/news04/28.htmThe Idea of a Multinational, Multiracial Society Means Destruction of the Korean Nation
<Recently, in South Korea, a strange game pursuing the weakening of the fundamental character of our race and making society “multiethnic and multiracial” is unfolding.
<Those responsible for this commotion are spreading confounding rumors like South Korea is a “multiracial area” mixed with the blood of Americans and several other races, how we must “overcome closed ethnic nationalism,” and we must embrace “the inclusiveness and openness of a multiethnic nation” like the United States.
<The words themselves take a knife to the feeling of our people, but even more serious is that this anti-national theory of “multiethnic, multiracial society” has already gone beyond the stage of discussion. Already, they’ve decided that from 2009, content related to “multiracial, multiethnic culture” would be included in elementary, middle and high school textbooks that have until now stressed that Koreans are the “descendents of Dangun,” “of one blood line” and “one race,” and to change the terms “families of international marriage” and “families of foreign laborers” to “multicultural families.” This is an outrage that makes it impossible to repress the rage of the people/race.
<To start from the conclusion, the argument for “multiethnic, multiracial society” cried for by pro-American flunkeyists in South Korea is an unpardonable argument to obliterate the race by denying the homogeneity of the Korean race and to make an immigrant society out of South Korea, to make it a hodgepodge, to Americanize it.
<The race (ethnic group) is a social unit of ethnic components formed historically and a community sharing the same fate, and said race exists because it has a character that distinguishes it from other races. Ethnic identity becomes an important weapon in personal and social development. Because of this, all races value their uniqueness and highlight their excellence, and by doing so give strength to awakening and unifying the components of the race. Today, with the wave of “globalization” inundating the world, nations have confronted it and insisted on their ethnic character and built walls to protect it; there is not one nation or race that has denied itself.
<In a reality where domination and colonialism threatens the fates of weaker races, to deny the the uniqueness and excellence of our homogenous race is an act of treason preaching the spiritual disarmament of the race.
<The pro-American traitors singing the arguments of “multiethnic, multiracial society” have not even a basic understanding of the race’s point of view or the historical development of society and are silly asses without even the slightest ethnic spirit.
<Homogeneity, which no other race in the world has, is the pride of our race and becomes the source of the unity needed in the struggle for eternal development and prosperity. Because the homogeneity of the race is so precious, our people have sacrificed blood and lives to walk the long and difficult path of reunification, and now we are cultivating the June 15 era of reunification with all our patriotic fervor. If we cannot save the homogeneity of the race, we cannot protect the fate of either the race of the individual before American schemes for domination, nor can we block the schemes of the Japanese reactionaries to reinvade based on claims of sovereignty over the Dokdo islets. The anti-national character of the arguments for “multiethnic, multiracial society” is that it denies the race itself and entrusts the nation and race to the imperialists.
<When people are calling for the entire people to unite their strength and reunify the Fatherland and raise up the majesty of the homogenous race, it’s a serious problem that there arguments to deny the race and obliterate the race have appeared in South Korea. Now is the era of independent unification to end 60 years of division between North and South and to establish the structural homogeneity of the race, and the trend of this age is “to handle things within the race” (uri minjok-ggiri). The argument for a “multiethnic, multiracial society” is a poison that weakens the basic ideology of this era and is anti-reunification logic. Anti-national arguments running counter to the direction of the people in South Korea is clearly the result of criminal schemes by pro-American groups, including the Grand National Party, and behind-the-scenes control by the United States to make the bloodlines of North and South different, block the June 15 era of reunification and make permanent the division of the Korean race.
<The issue of mixed-race people being raised in South Korea is completely a product of U.S. military occupation of South Korea. How spiritless these fellows must be that not only do they not raise up the value of having the U.S. military withdraw to bring an end to this tragic reality, but instead are trying to make the problem part of society.
<That arguments for a “multiethnic, multiracial society,” which make it impossible to repress ones racial shame and rage, are openly going around South Korea and there are moves to make them a reality shows how dangerous the criminal schemes of the United States to make the world unipolar are.
<All sectors of the South Korean people must boldly reject the anti-national schemes of the flunkeyist traitors to toss aside our identity and racial character and even sully the bloodlines of our race and obliterate it. They must also raise up the values of putting the Korean race first and settling everything within our race and actively stand up in the patriotic struggle to protect the Korean race and bring about reunification.https://web.archive.org/web/20141011203315/http://www.kcna.co.jp/calendar/2006/04/04-27/2006-0427-009.htmlYou guys don't bother to read anything and just say the most Bizzaro world inverted bullshit, like North Korea is going to teach America how to be a proper multiracial society. LMAO.
READ UYGHA READ! >>2577233>the zionist lobby controls holocaust education and the way the holocaust is framed therefore we should stop educating people about the holocaust altogether, rather than educating people properly about the holocaustthis is a stupid argument and you know it. genocide education should include holocaust education, as well as under-discussed aspects of the holocaust like Roma, slavs, communists, disabled, homosexuals, jehovas witnesses, etc.
While genocide education should include holocaust education, it does not need to make it the central point of genocide education, nor does it need to frame the holocaust in a way that makes Jews the primary/only victims. The holocaust should be taught properly, in context, without zionist revisionism, and of course alongside other genocides, like the late Victorian holocausts committed by countries like England, France, and Belgium.
>>2577235I can't remember the last time I was told to remember the gorillion Poles killed in the memeocaust
(Reactionary) >>2577242maybe because you're a /pol/yp in an echo chamber, which is why "memeocaust" and "gorillion" are in your vocabulary
>>2577239>Rodong Sinmun Censures Theory of "Multiracial Society"Rodong Sinmun is a real newspaper, therefore, it shouldn't be difficult for you to provide that article from the original source.
>>2577242also see
>>2577240 because I know you'll selectively ignore it
>>2577242Maybe because you're heartless? I had an edgy phase too, anon. It doesn't suit you.
>>2577244You sound like a gay retard. Are you okay?
>>2577246Anon if you take the time to actually see what people memorialise about the holocaust you'll know Roma especially are similarly well-commemorated because they were decimated by the holocaust.
>>2577248>no counter args, just childishnessif you're over 18 this is pathetic
>>2577248you deserve reddit gold for this, my good sir
>>2577249I'm literally arguing against the /pol/yp. Are you confused? He's saying holocaust education should end, and I'm saying it should cease to be used as a cudgel by zionists but still taught to people in context.
>>2577256people talk about rape of nanking and unit 731 all the time outside of burgerland and israel
I used to deny and make fun of the holocaust but to be fair I was an impressionable internet addict child. I don't know why a grown man would suddenly deny or be annoyed by holocaust education. When I go to a holocaust exhibit or museum of course the Jewish prosecution is the main concern but I have always seen the Poles - Catholic or Jewish, Soviet POWs, Roma and homosexuals and the disabled be represented. I think they just make up the idea that its focused entirely on the Jews. It's an alternate reality.
>>2577257
>soviets citizens and POWs deserved it
kys nazoid
>>2577253Yeah, if Finklestein is to be believed, then actual holocaust/genocide education would be a powerful anti-zionist activity. I think we're already kind of seeing hints of that in the zionist "never again meant only for the Jews" rhetoric we're seeing now.
>>2577256>They only teach the Jewish parts. They fucking don't dude.
>I bet nobody in America knows the 300k greeks they Nazis killed through famine.That wasn't the holocaust. I bet nobody in America knows the Germans dried to starve the Dutch because of a railway strike shortly after the failure of the battle of arnhem. But that's still not the holocaust. That's just yet another Nazi atrocity.
>>2577258>people talk about rape of nanking and unit 731 all the time outside of burgerland and israelBoth of those get mentioned like one time in the history books. But you're proving what I said. Those are just two small bits, but nobody is going on about "Remember the 20 million!" all day everyday.
>>2577263In the United States holocaust education and coverage of world war ii in general is presented primarily as an action against the jews in particular
>>2577261>the zionist "never again meant only for the Jews" rhetoric we're seeing now.this convo started because I posted a Sarah Hurwitz quote where she basically admits this and some nazoid showed up and decided to pretend this proves holocaust education should be brought to an end altogether, a much more ambitious and unworkable goal than simply doing what you said:
>if Finklestein is to be believed, then actual holocaust/genocide education would be a powerful anti-zionist activity. Imagine trying to fight over which nationality deserves the most sympathy points for what the nazis did to them.
>>2577267this is because US WW2 education is revisionist, anti-soviet, anti-chinese, pro-israel, pro-england, pro-america, and pro-NATO.
>>2577239kcna.co.jp
.jp
.JPyeah, no, that won't cut it.
>John Paul Cupp eh, that guy is a white nationalist who travelled to the DPRK to get portray the country as their reflect.
that article from espessostalinist is basically garbage, in particular because they can't source the specific passages, with videos, press releases, and journals from the communist party in the DPRK.
>>2577269imageboards love a nice race to the bottom
>>2577259>I think they just make up the idea that its focused entirely on the Jews.For political reasons the Jewish dimension of the event is overemphasized and Zionist interests enjoy the misconception.
Finklestein talks about the historical distortion and motivation behind it in The Holocaust Industry. The jist of it is that the holocaust was a massive embarrassment to the Israelis and they'd just as soon as forget about it until Cold War events made it useful.
>>2577263>But that's still not the holocaust. Yeah, exactly. The holocaust is a retroactively invented term by Jews, from Jewish religious symbolism, to exclusively talk about what happened to the Jews, while disregarding all the Nazi's other victims. It's all part of this game to make WW2, and modern history in general centered around Jews and their perception of us against the world. How many fucking Jew specific terms do we need? Blood libel, pogrom, holocaust, shoah.
>>2577267That's because it was? What I will say is that it should be mentioned much more often the first victims of the camps were communists, socialists and trade unionists. But it should ALSO be mentioned that these men were not executed immediately at first. In fact back in those early days the Nazis were clumsy and did not have the sophisticated processed death factory they would later implement on the Jews and other undesirables. The death camps began in earnest after the Wannsee Conference.
>>2577271good catch
>>2577239nice try
>>2577282I mean, i get what you're saying, it's just weird sometimes, I read about a holocaust museum that recently opened up in south korea that is run by zionists and they seem to not be able to see the irony
>>2577282>The Jews, who were the main scapegoats of the Nazi regime, the main pivotal enemy of Hitler, should not see their genocide as a specific event dedicated to themselves.The Communists were the main scapegoats.
Also I don't give a fuck how much they self-aggrandize their own small role in history. That's their business. It's that they use their power and influence in America to force us all into their paradigm for this explicit purpose:
>>2577168>>2577138>“And you know I think unfortunately, the very smart bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-semitism education in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential, but I think it may be confusing some of our young people about antisemitism,” Hurwitz said. “Because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think oh, antisemitism is like anti-black racism, right? Powerful white people against powerless black people. So, when on TikTok all day long, they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians, it’s not surprising that they think, Oh, I know the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people.” >>2577287Right, it seems that to a lot of zionists the problem isn't genocide in general but the more specific issue of antisemitism, of which opposition to the actions of the state of israel is considered to be a key component
>an ethnic-political movement politicises a genocide for their own protection so that means those six million jewish men women and children who died don't matter to me
>>2577289i think the argument over whether DPRK is fucked up or not is kinda besides the point. the reason for it being fucked up is because the USA bombed all their sanitation, electrical, and agricultural infrastructure in the 50s. forced them to rebuild everything from scratch, isolated them geopolitically from the whole world with sanctions, kept them separated from their brothers in the South, which is still occupied by US troops who rape local women and pollute the waterways… is it any surprise that an isolated country would become like this? The essence of a scientific outlook would look at the DPRK's culture in the context of the 1950s war and its aftermath, rather than simply slandering DPRK as racist without this context.
>>2577293I like to think of it as the siege conditions created by the imperialist bloc with sanctions etc. made these kinds of measures more attractive to the leadership there
>>2577278>In fact back in those early days the Nazis were clumsy and did not have the sophisticated processed death factory they would later implement on the Jews and other undesirables.They first experimented with the death laboratory stuff on physically and mentally disabled people.
>>2577287>The Jews, who were the main scapegoats of the Nazi regime>The Communists were the main scapegoats. Wasn't really either/or in the case of the Nazis though. They didn't view those as necessarily distinct categories. Communism
was Jewish in their ideology.
>>2577296>Communism was Jewish in their ideology.I still see modern neo-nazis claim that the zionist entity is somehow communistic in nature.
Racism has been made default in the same vein as capitalism. Only now is that truly changing with an increasing amount of contradictions.
>>2577296Because everything lefty is Jewish. Every socially liberal thing is Jewish. German Jews backstabbed Germany in WW1 for… reasons? Profit?? But then if it was profit, why would Hitler not blame German war industrialists? Because they weren't Jews? Why would profiteering Jews support Marxism? Even though it wouldn't make sense for property owning Jews to orchestrate a revolution that takes away their property, but that would require some brain usage.
>>2577297>I still see modern neo-nazis claim that the zionist entity is somehow communistic in nature.they cite kibbutzes and such as an example, which is odd, because if anything, Israel is just Nazism for Jew. It's an apartheid ethnostate that has a strong public sector which works only for the chosen ingroup.
>>2577293>i think the argument over whether DPRK is fucked up or not is kinda besides the point.Yeah exactly. The original point was whether a DPRK invasion of America would teach America how to be a post-racial multicultural society lol. There is nothing at all surprising that a homogeneous isolated society would hold on to antiquated xenophobic and racist views.
>>2577215>I hope the North Koreans invade and send 80% of you to labor camps for maybe 5+ years. Hopefully 5+ years of no chan posting, fresh air and manual labor will make you think normally and look at human beings as human beings. >>2577303yeah I saw that post. I just can't take stuff like that seriously. it's just fantasy.
>>2577280well, first link doesn't quite mention at all anything about the topic you presented.
the second link is a critique of what the samsung's republic of Kore present:
>As for the issue of mixed-race people in South Korea, it is entirely a product of the US military occupation of South Korea. Rather than calling for the withdrawal of US troops to end this tragic reality, they are trying to socialize it. How devious they are.thus, is more a critique of the colonization happening in the samsung's republic of Korea.
it wasn't about presenting one race better than other races, just highlighting how the samsung's republic of Korea pretends to fragment their identity through the 'multi-racial' rhetoric, that is not other but to fragment their identity.
it's very different from racism.
>>2577108peter thiel's charter city of prospera is there. they're essentially independent and claim to conduct life extension experimentation.
the current government has been trying to close them but can't.
>>2577114ugh mexico doesn't have a land border with honduras
>>2577290Why would they matter to me? They don't even matter to jews except as emotional blackmail. I can't bring them back.
>>2577306>life extension experimentationand this of course will only be available to the super-rich
>>2577298>>2577301Nazis also called Marxism the "guardian angel of Capitalism"
Actually
Axisting Anti-dengism amirite fellas?
>>2577310https://fpif.org/crypto-bros-are-trying-to-bankrupt-honduras-for-scuttling-their-private-cities/U.S. based libertarians and entrepreneurs have longed to build their own private city somewhere in the world where they can set their own laws and eliminate regulations.
In 2009, following a military coup in Honduras, the crypto bros got what they were looking for: A deeply corrupt government involved in drug trafficking — and willing to hand over chunks of national territory to the highest bidders in the name of attracting foreign investment. From the start, the idea prompted widespread opposition in the country, but the legislative framework was imposed and contracts were signed regardless.
Now that the government of Xiomara Castro has fought to overturn the legal regime enabling private cities, an investor group called Próspera, made up of three U.S. companies, is suing Honduras for almost $11 billion. Their suit is one of 15 active cases against Honduras, one of the poorest countries in the Western hemisphere, for at least $14 billion in known claims.
>>2577305>it's very different from racism.Ok fine, not racism, ethno-nationalist for sure.
<Homogeneity, which no other race in the world has, is the pride of our race and becomes the source of the unity needed in the struggle for eternal development and prosperity. Because the homogeneity of the race is so precious, our people have sacrificed blood and lives to walk the long and difficult path of reunification, and now we are cultivating the June 15 era of reunification with all our patriotic fervor.
<When people are calling for the entire people to unite their strength and reunify the Fatherland and raise up the majesty of the homogenous race, I don't know what your personal definition of racism is.
>>2577311Ahh if only I was born in the PRC
>>2577327
What you are talking about isn't even something they call anti-capitalist. I mean sure there are "third-way" types who might use that term to describe themselves, but they're essentially just protectionists or neo-fascist LARPers. There is no "third way".
The others are the "anti-elite" types. The types who proclaim to be anti-neoliberal but are… neoliberal. The types who are anti-globalist but support… globalism.
>>2577332
Yeah I do.
I do because it was the Soviets who liberated the camps.
U.S. to Press Europe and Other Allies on ‘Mass Migration,’ Document SaysSecretary of State Marco Rubio has ordered American diplomats in Europe and in Canada, Australia and New Zealand to press their host governments to restrict most immigration and to file reports if the governments appear to be overly supportive of immigrants, according to a document sent to U.S. embassies and consulates.
Mr. Rubio told the diplomats to emphasize the effects of criminal acts by immigrants to encourage greater entry restrictions, according to the document, which is a diplomatic cable dated Nov. 21. The text of the cable, which was obtained by The New York Times, has not been previously reported.
Diplomats should “regularly engage host governments and their respective authorities to raise U.S. concerns about violent crimes associated with people of a migration background” and “any related human rights abuses,” the cable said. It said that those episodes were “widespread disruptors of social cohesion and public safety.”
The diplomats should send reports on crime linked to immigrants to State Department headquarters as well as analysis of how host governments handle the issues, including “policies that unduly favor migrants at the expense of local populations.”
The goal of these actions is to build “host government and stakeholder support to address and reform policies related to migrant crime, defending national sovereignty, and ensuring the safety of local communities,” the cable said.
The Trump administration often uses the term “sovereignty” to describe its efforts to get other countries to allow in fewer foreign citizens and harden their borders — even as it tries to impose policies on sovereign nations.
Mr. Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants, shifted his views on immigration policy during his 14 years as a Republican senator from Florida, and he and his deputy, Christopher Landau, now push the State Department to help enforce the Trump administration’s hard-line positions.
For instance, they are helping enact the administration’s drastic reduction in the number of refugees allowed into the United States, first reported by The Times. And many of the current 7,500 refugee slots are reserved for white Afrikaner South Africans, despite the fact that they do not face widespread persecution.
The State Department said in an official statement on social media last week that “mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies.”
The State Department sent out the cable with instructions on immigration diplomacy last Thursday night. Earlier that day, it sent a separate cable to U.S. diplomats telling them that instances of foreign governments supporting illegal or mass migration should be included in the annual country human rights reports being written now, two State Department officials said.
One of the officials said the immigration diplomacy cable was sent to U.S. missions in countries that have a “shared Western civilization” with the United States and are close allies. Cables on addressing immigration problems in Latin America and other regions will soon be sent to missions there, he said.
https://archive.is/IVgsU >>2577336
Even that's subjective. Many trots are just MLs.
>>2577332
it was actually 11 million if you count people who weren't Jews (which you should) and it was 17 million if you count Soviet POWs and Soviet citizens. That's the issue.
>>2577339Estimated 17 million. You can never fully determine it exact number. It was between 10 and 17.
>>2577327yes that's my point
>>2577331>What you are talking about isn't even something they call anti-capitalist.Engels pointed out in 1847 that there are what he called "reactionary socialists" who are anti-capitalist for reactionary reasons. In his day it was people who wanted to RETVRN to feudalism, but in our day these types of of anti-capitalist reactionaries are more numerous and diverse. An anti-capitalist reactionary is simply anyone who sees capitalism as a problem but prescribes the wrong solution.
Even Mao warned of "reactionary class struggle".
>>2577317racism is a state. it's a state where there are oppressed existing minority ethnic groups. you must make the case of that happening in the DPRK.
for example, a black person in the US calling you
crakkka, isn't racist, because he can't exert labor discrimination, financial discrimination, housing discrimination, policing discrimination, schooling discrimination or any type of discrimination on you.
>>2577349
yeah the nazis were actually very nice guys, actually. Very fair.
>>2577349
>For a board allegedly full of communists you love to parrot Zionist talking points
It's a "zionist talking point" to point out people who died in the holocaust besides Jews?
> most of them were either deported to Palestine
Yes. because hitler was more zionist than anyone on here. now fuck off
>>2577350Apologies. I amend my original statement.
>>2577215>I hope the North Koreans invade and send 80% of you to labor camps for maybe 5+ years. Hopefully 5+ years of no chan posting, fresh air and manual labor will make you think normally and look at human beings as human beings.>>2577222>The North Koreans are racist ETHNO-NATIONALIST as all hell. Wtf are you smoking? >>2577357
yeah dude all the places the germans declared "judenfrei" after their occupation were just the nazis being nice and taking them to relaxation centers bro
its not like the red army were the ones who liberated the worst camps or anything haha
its not like the wannsee conference happened in 1941 haha
Vague "anti capitalism" without a theory that you can test out in response to data is meaningless. It just means whenever the ELITES are replaced by people who speak the same vague populist language your mindset agrees with you'll see the ELITES as non-elites.
>>2577354
I guess a better way to put it is that scientific socialism is aims for a post-capitalist society, while anti-capitalism is of a more vague ideological vintage.
>Communism has never been opposed to capitalism in and of itself, but the anarchy of production
not just the anarchy of production, but also private property, surplus value, exploitation, and imperialism. It is only the productive forces of capitalism that scientific socialism builds upon. It rejects the rest of it.
>>2577370
Can you say that again in English?
>>2577370
> the Ukrainian pseudo nation.
recognized by Lenin
>>2577362This truth bomb might blow your mind but check this out: the Mossad… is Jewish
>>2577343The stuff about petit-bourgeois "German" or "true socialism" as described in the Communist Manifesto foreshadowed the later national socialists imo. Like combine this description of them by Marx and Engels with late-19th century "scientific racism" and other crackpot ideas that were spreading around, toss it in a blender and shake it really hard (WWI) you basically get the Nazis.
<By this, the long-wished for opportunity was offered to “True” Socialism of confronting the political movement with the Socialist demands, of hurling the traditional anathemas against liberalism, against representative government, against bourgeois competition, bourgeois freedom of the press, bourgeois legislation, bourgeois liberty and equality, and of preaching to the masses that they had nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by this bourgeois movement. German Socialism forgot, in the nick of time, that the French criticism, whose silly echo it was, presupposed the existence of modern bourgeois society, with its corresponding economic conditions of existence, and the political constitution adapted thereto, the very things those attainment was the object of the pending struggle in Germany … While this “True” Socialism thus served the government as a weapon for fighting the German bourgeoisie, it, at the same time, directly represented a reactionary interest, the interest of German Philistines. In Germany, the petty-bourgeois class, a relic of the sixteenth century, and since then constantly cropping up again under the various forms, is the real social basis of the existing state of things. To preserve this class is to preserve the existing state of things in Germany. The industrial and political supremacy of the bourgeoisie threatens it with certain destruction — on the one hand, from the concentration of capital; on the other, from the rise of a revolutionary proletariat. “True” Socialism appeared to kill these two birds with one stone. It spread like an epidemic. The robe of speculative cobwebs, embroidered with flowers of rhetoric, steeped in the dew of sickly sentiment, this transcendental robe in which the German Socialists wrapped their sorry “eternal truths”, all skin and bone, served to wonderfully increase the sale of their goods amongst such a public. And on its part German Socialism recognised, more and more, its own calling as the bombastic representative of the petty-bourgeois Philistine. It proclaimed the German nation to be the model nation, and the German petty Philistine to be the typical man. To every villainous meanness of this model man, it gave a hidden, higher, Socialistic interpretation, the exact contrary of its real character. It went to the extreme length of directly opposing the “brutally destructive” tendency of Communism, and of proclaiming its supreme and impartial contempt of all class struggles. >>2577357
>Reading comprehension isn’t this website’s strong point
then RETVRN to the highly literate bastion of /pol/ where every other word is "shitskin"
>>2577373I hate the idea that neo soviet nationalism is raping the idea of bring back korenizatsiia. Russian nationalism is just as gay as Ukrainian nazi worship.
>>2577373Yes, Lenin's role in the dissolution of the USSR was indeed a mistake. Lenin was too influenced by the old authority of the SPD and carried some of their nonsense until even after the SPD went openly renegade.
>>2577384>scientific socialism is when russian nationalismif you say so
>>2577384>Harbouring to secret white russian chuds to counter the effect Nazis were having on the cossack and other more traditional groups Yes that might have worked during war, but WWII ended in 1945.
>>2577386The specific nationality doesn't matter, what matters is getting everyone on the same page to overcome local differences of pointlessly divided cultures. Russia was the largest and most powerful county in the USSR so it only made sense to use it as the model.
>>2577385a consequence but also a cause for the fall of the ussr. the moment lenin, or the party in general, decided to replace the soviets with a bureaucracy and only testimonial soviet participation because they couldn't come up with an effective system for popular participation, that's when the seed for the restoration of capitalism was planted
marx's historical materialism was far from mechanical or deterministic; even if there are strong tendencies and incentives because of the material conditions, you can still fuck things up and fail
>>2577390Access to culture is a fundamental tenant of the rights to an individual under socialism. Culture should always be respected. Nothing has been proven more false over the years that you can make a foreign community feel freer and better off under your central governance if you enforce a homogenising singular cultural identify on them.
>>2577394>Culture should always be respected.Israeli and American culture need not be respected.
>>2577396Someone you never heard of I guess you illiterate literally child.
>>2577397These countries have no cultures. Only a hodgepodge of other cultures.
>>2577396some burger patriot who died the year NATO was born
>>2577402>burger patriotgood, glad he's dead
I hope one day can organize again like the Italian communists, Spanish anarchists, Ukranian Black Army, the Spartacists used to.
We truly live in the worst age to be a communist/anarchist.
>>2577392>an effective system for popular participationthey'd have restored capitalism faster if they had some form of wide democracy after feeling some short term pain or stagnation. the ussr made trenemendous progress, but it was doomed from the start for other reasons, one of it is that they did not truly embrace the method of dialectical materialism…
>>2577405>I hope we can organise again like<Spanish anarchistsI sure hope not. Not a fan of giving victories away to fascists.
>>2577395I think he was a driven patriot, but…did you know the Forrestal diaries reveal late secretary's rabid anti-zionism, disregard for US Jews? When I think about the assassination of James Forestal, when I think about the death of James Forrestal, I have to ask myself, who murdered James Forrestal?
>>2577402>>2577403Why are you guys proud of being retarded and illiterate? You are zoomers right. I provided a link and a screencap that would alleviate your ignorance, but you are, functionally illiterate.
There is no hope for the future lmao.
>>2577408>…did you know the Forrestal diaries reveal late secretary's rabid anti-zionism, disregard for US Jews? Bruh, look at the link and the 5th image.
>>2577409yeah I'm zoom zoom
I only read from books I refuse to read PDFs.
>>2577394>Access to culture is a fundamental tenant of the rights to an individual under socialism.First, Socialism is only workers controlling the means of production. Individual rights or culture is extraneous to socialism per se. Also I never said people were not allowed to learn about other cultures on their own time. People still learn Latin after all.
>Culture should always be respected. Why?
>Nothing has been proven more false over the years that you can make a foreign community feel freer and better off under your central governance if you enforce a homogenising singular cultural identify on them.Every single nation in existence has conquered hundreds of tribes and subsumed their languaeges and cultures. Why don't French people speak Celtic or Gothic languages? Or How do you think Han Chinese ethnic group got so big? They spent thousands of years conquering thousands of peoples and now they all see themselves as the same ethnic group the Han Chinese. The USSR should have done the same thing.
>>2577399>Only a hodgepodge of other cultures.How else do you think cultures get developed lmao
>>2577413Of course I don't, old man.
>>2577409nobody cares about your obscure useless knowledge
>>2577413Microfiche? Is that like Microsoft?
>>2577414>How else do you think cultures get developed lmaoI don't want to find out what the "naturalised" american culture looks like.
>>2577414>First, Socialism is only workers controlling the means of production.Not according to marx
>>2577415Of course. You don't know ANYTHING. I'm curious why zoomies are so proud of being ignorant that they have to announce it when no one was talking to them. Ok, you're ignorant, what, do you want an award?
>>2577420Do you want a reward for being aware of an irrelevant technology?
>>2577411>>2577421Why are you making retarded proclamations like this?:
>yeah I'm zoom zoom>I only read from books I refuse to read PDFs. >>2577423i love labubu xD
>>2577423Marxism with consoomer characteristics
>>2577399>These countries have no cultures. Only a hodgepodge of other cultures.the secret is that all cultures are a hodgepodge of other cultures, and the process of creating a new culture is a process of borrowing and building upon aspects of existing cultures. Russia was Christianized and given its writing system by Byzantine monks. It got its numerals from India. It came under Mongol influence for a while in the 13th-15th centuries. Today Russia is a bourgeois Republic, a form of government it got from the West, along with the scientific socialism it used to embrace.
>>2577409I'm not illiterate, I just this particular historical figure irrelevant because Burger Reich Patriotism is reactionary whether it is sovereign or puppetted by zionism.
>>2577423patrice lamumba labubu when
>>2577423What the fuck is a la bubu
America is as much influenced by zionism as it is by the will of Saudi salafism. Both are inherently contradictory to one another, yet they are both protected by the United States because American money protects them. Such is the inherent contradiction of capitalism. This is what idealists who desire there to be a big bad guy group of people controlling the world cannot wrap their heads around. They need a smaller more specific enemy.
>>2577418Look under any living culture and you will see it crawling on top of thousands of dead ones.
>>2577419Marx can get poetic about life under communism but fundamentally people owning the means of production in common is the essence of communism. Keeping some random culture alive is an extra luxury assuming you don't get killed off by fascists because you refused to organize the proles by getting them to speak the same language.
>>2577441>America is as much influenced by zionism as it is by the will of Saudi salafism. both are protectorates inherited from the british empire also. but i would say the zionist lobby is a little stronger than the saudi lobby. anyway…
>Both are inherently contradictory to one anotherYemen disagrees.
>>2577438>videoBad plant watering technique by that robot.
It's generally better to water plants directly at the base, close to the soil, rather than watering the leaves. Watering the leaves can promote fungal growth, mold, or mildew, especially if the plant sits in damp conditions. Additionally, water on the leaves can cause the plant to burn in direct sunlight due to the magnifying effect of water droplets.
By watering at the soil level, you ensure that the roots get the moisture they need, and you avoid any potential issues with excess moisture on the leaves.
>>2577447for instance, primitive tribes owned the means of production but that does not make it socialism or comunism
>>2577450why did he call it primitive communism
>>2577451he actually never wrote that term. he did described early, classless, communal societies (in his notes on Lewis Henry Morgan) where he talked about "gemeineigentum" or "urform der gesellschaft". it was engels that used "urkommunismus," but it's like comparing charmander to charazard
>>2577452You suppress them, destroy their means of propagandizing people, and educate others on their failures.
>>2577452Utterly crush them of course
>>2577452the metaphysical glue is race and anti-idpol left doesn't know how to combat against that
>>2577452trials and executions
>>2577458Qatar is literally a non nato ally of the usa and the largest military base the usa has in the middle East is in Qatar. You are retarded thinking they are some type of opposition. They are not different than Saudi Arabia
>>2577337Basically the immigrants aren't pro-Israel enough and that's a problem
>>2577461They host hamas leadership doe
>>2577463With the permission of Israel and the US
>>2577447Marx did talk about a stripped down "Bunker communism" as a possible state of society. He didn't like it, but he did talk about it. Meaning he saw that Communism doesn't have to be his idealized vision. Maybe some things such as extra cultures and rights need to be swept aside in order for communism to exist but it is what it is.
>>2577453>it was engels that used "urkommunismus," Ok then Engels and not Marx addressed your question about primitive societies that owned property in common by calling it primitive communism. So is he wrong in your estimation or not?
>>2577463In 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama personally requested that Qatar, one of the U.S.'s most important Arab allies, provide a base for the Hamas leadership. At the time, the U.S. were seeking to establish communications with Hamas and believed that a Hamas office in Qatar would be easier to access than a Hamas bureau in Iran, the group's main backer.[14][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_support_for_HamasHamas first opened its political office in Qatar in 2012, after leaders – including Khaled Meshaal – left Syria a year after the war in that country began.
Qatari officials have repeatedly said that the decision to host the Hamas leadership came after a request from the United States. In a 2023 opinion piece for The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), the Qatari ambassador to the US, Sheikh Meshal bin Hamad Al Thani, said that Washington wanted the office “to establish indirect lines of communication with Hamas”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/9/why-does-qatar-host-hamass-political-office >>2577467Nowhere does this mention israel. Did qatar also get permission when bibi decided to sidestep the americans and drop 20 cruise missiles on the hamas leadership in doha. obviously not
>>2576868Bioshock Infinite is only remembered because of that porn flash game.
>>2577469I am a different poster you reactive dumbass. I am the one that first told you that Qatar has the largest military base in the middle East the USA has and that they are officially a non nato ally. In response to you laughing at that guy talking to you about why Hamas is there since you obviously have never researched this I gave you a link as to why
You clearly think of Qatar as some opposition since you put them together with Iran and now have doubled down on them being some opposition with your comment about bombings. Guess what kid? Israel bombs the president of Syria as well I doubt you consider him an opposition since he's hand in glove with turkey and the usa. Geopolitics are more complicated than you think.
You will also never see al Jazeera going all out of shitting on the usa because they are a usa ally.
>>2577461>Qatar is literally a non nato ally of the usa and the largest military base the usa has in the middle East is in Qatar. You are retarded thinking they are some type of opposition. They are not different than Saudi Arabia>reading things not saidYou need to take your meds.
I'm going to give you another shot at reading the post:
>>2577458>Yemen disagrees.>Qatar too. Also Iran. Saudis and Israelis are almost perfectly aligned. It's bullshit that they're opposition. It's kayfabe.Now could you explain how you read what it doesn't say?
>>2577466you mean as a possible
transitiona stage after capitalism fully developed the productive forces, capitalism would have already transformed society and nature, it's still the precondition for even an imperfect stage what you call "bunker communism." culture being expendable to make communism exist is a misreading, he never talked about erasing cultures. that's vulgar marxism or class reductionism where there is a crude one to one correspondence between base and superstructure.
>Ok then Engels engels isn't an anarchist, he distinguishing it as an incomplete form, and that fully realized human freedom would have to go through the stages of historical materialism
>>2577475I told everyone since Assad was deposed that J
Guiliani will just enter into the same exact arrangement with Russia because of Israel and Turkey. Russia just wants their bases. There asks are a lot less than what Israel and USA want.
>>2577471>I am a different poster you reactive dumbass
>You clearly think of Qatar as some opposition since you put them together with Iran and now have doubled down on them being some opposition with your comment about bombings. The ironing. You dumb fucking faggot. That is a different anon.
>In an interview with Piers Morgan, Tucker Carlson said hostile narratives about Muslims were manufactured. “That’s an op obviously. ‘Hate the Muslims.’ No, we know where that’s coming from.” Carlson did not expand upon where the “op” is coming from.
hysterical interview btw he says faggot like 30 times and tries to get piers to say it
>>2577482>he says faggot like 30 times and tries to get piers to say itthat's a nick mullen bit
>>2577479
>the narco-pedo-gerontocracy
Not long enough
>>2577469Everyone, including Israel, agreed that Hamas would need some ability to function if the people of the Gaza strip were to survive. And before 10/7 even Israel wasn't prepared to kill them all. That's why Qatar was an advocate and banker for Hamas. Everyone is now pretending they weren't in on it but they were.
>>2577478>what Israel and USA want.which is
>>2577491To completely neuter Syria, carve it up and make it a direct puppet of Israel.
>>2577492if drumpf wants to carve syria up why is it trying to get the kurds to integrate with the central government and telling israel to dial it down though
>>2577474>he never talked about erasing culturesSo at best we can only infer what he might have said or possibly implied in his many writings. But he's not the final authority in any case.
So Marx's aside, I'm arguing that smaller cultures being eaten up by larger cultures is a normal historical process. It is a historical process because it makes coordination of large groups more effective. More effective cultural organization drives up it's ability to absorb even more cultures thus making it's growth even faster.
Nationalism on the other hand is the fetishization of those smaller cultures before they otherwise would have been eaten. It's stopping a process that increases the coordination of larger and larger groups of people. Having to know and restate "Lets work together in this way or that" 7000 different ways is inefficient. Compare that to only having to say something once. Nationalism increases inefficiency.
The USSR by embracing nationalism and encouraging small cultures and languages to flourish shot itself in the foot by doing so. Their position on the national question should have been a temporary response to the nationalism that was trendy at the time. But it wasn't a long term solution and was one of the biggest factors that lead to it's downfall.
>>2577493>Falling for the kayfabeFor sure Trump has HAD IT with Bibi this time! Enough is enough!
>>2577452Your competitors are the billionaire tech oligarchs who own the means of communication and the minds of tech addicts. Maybe outcooking them is the answer? The trumpsters I cooked thanksgiving dinner for told me their people use stovetop dressing, processed foods and waste some of the bird instead of using all of it. Nobody talked politics or looked at their handheld idols while they were eating fresh food made from scratch. It seems the way to the heart really is through the stomach.
>>2577506we boil the bird skelly for that broth afterwards as well. it seems rightoids always pretend to be trad but have no actual trad skillsets like cooking. MAGAcucks always eat processed dogshit and can't do anything for themselves.
>>2577507>>2577502>>2577474Partially I think the best way to handle this in America is just saying "fuck it" and going full melting pot. We've got places like Solvang in California, we've got Shinto temples in Hawaii where the Founding Fathers are worshipped as Kami, let's just go full fucking schizo. Let's have towns that adopt some Imperial Chinese aesthetic. Let Black people wear Kimonos and White people wear turbans and Asians wear cowboy boots. Just smash a bunch of different cultures together and see what comes out.
Shit I think that'd pretty much satiate like 99% of the "radical right" or whatever. They're already LARPing that their Viking-Roman-Spartans. Just say "hey, we're gonna build the Parthenon 2.0 in Missouri" and they might actually shut the fuck up.
>>2577518one of our biggest hotspots prior to covid was a thai buddhist temple. there were christian churches all around it but the thai temple had sick riverside property, nice picnic tables, and a thriving market, so people of all races and creeds would just hang out there on Sunday after church because the grub was so good. I used to go there and get curry all the time. It's not poppin like it used to be, but it's still nice.
>>2577518America isn't just California and Pacifica. That attempt would end up failing
>>2577524
No
>>2577515I make stock for dressing and gravy out of the neck and gibs first. When I baste it to brown the skin after removing the cover I use some of the grease for gravy. Cornbread dressing, easy to make, goes into both ends of the bird and nothing is ever dry. The leftovers all go into something new. The only complaints I hear are about the way other people do it. Convenience just sounds nasty and lazy to me. Maybe the trad mindset stems from an inability to think and do for themselves but I don't know. I had stovetop once in my life, which was one too many times. Absolutely disgusting.
>>2577542
Corn syrup is gross. Fresh carved pumpkin can't be beat tho. I do sea salt that's high K and low Na but not much. Black strap molasses naturally has high K and I use it to candy yams after boiling sweet potatoes. Yeah, the gravy is for mashed potatoes since nothing else is dry. I've heard people put it on dry bird but nah. If you're pescatarian for health reasons, sorry to hear, but it's a healthy choice either way.
I know it's late in burgerland but what's up with the talk about ending all third world immigration and remigration that DHS is posting on twitter. And the US is also demanding its vassals stop all immigration.
I'm too lazy to post the sources, you can just google them. Personally I'm not in favor of immigration as capitalists use it to depress wages, the US is making real moves to ensure social stability and long term survival.
Like this is not the typical capitalist kayfabe shit. They are adopting real protectionist measures, capital controls, currency controls, border control etc. I think the US plan is to basically bunker up, destabilize the rest of the world and instigate WW3, and then swoop in at the end to pick up the pieces.
>>2577545 (me)
To be clear, I'm not in favor of this. I think the whole doomer thing is a psyop to let people think the revolution will happen without any actual effort. From what I'm seeing, the US is going to become increasingly socially stable, at least for the short to medium term. The rest of this decade and parts of the next is going to feel like the 90s again.
>>2577518Fashion designers should go crazy using any and all cultures throughout history as influence including ideas from Scifi and Fantasy. Mix and match everything until people figure out what they think looks cool. It will eventually be completely separate from older styles and the old racial and national connotations will lose meaning.
>>2577526If it was successfully pushed it would spread to through cities which is 50% of the population. At that point it would start traveling to the more conservative interior over time. At first when people from the interior travel to cities for business functions they would wear whatever is prevalent. It would work the same way as today wear people will put on slightly nicer clothes instead of what they normally wear.
>>2577545They are prepping for economic instability and global warming. Locking down the border, increasing prison camps, increasing the secret police, using Digital ID to track all social media and telecommunication, actively tracking every citizen through phones and swooping in on anyone sticking out.
>>2577545I thought the cee eye aye asset false flag was to shift the narrative and to provide a distraction from the paedo protection racket. They destabilized this country to the point that picking up the pieces will be done here by those more capable in the future. They need anti-sentiment since fear is what motivates their fractured base but it doesn't appear to be working. They said they didn't want to be the world police but here we are. In that sense, it is sorta like the 90s again except without a balanced budget, functional government and good music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14r7y6rM6zA >>2577569The law of unintended consequences comes into play when the rest of the world unites against the us. The largest economies are already forging new alliances as a work around to thwart their plans. An overextend military generally precedes the demise of any empire so I don't see this as a successful endeavor in any case.
>>2577545>Personally I'm not in favor of immigration as capitalists use it to depress wagesDumbest reason
>>2577545>Personally I'm not in favor of immigration as capitalists use it to depress wagesAmerican leftoids trying to overcome their ingrained tendencies towards social fascism challenge
>>2577414>First, Socialism is only workers controlling the means of production.Retarded social fascist understanding of socialism
The workers cannot “control the means of production” because their lack of control is what reproduces them as “the workers”
Fuckin christ nighas really learned nothing from the 20th Century eternal recurrence faggotry
The American dream is a dream because you have to be asleep to experience it.
>>2577601The American Dream is a nightmare for most of humanity
>>2577594Shut the fuck up, yes socialism is about organizing the workers so they control the means of production, a dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism is when the distinction of worker/owner dissolve away. You know nothing and pretend to know the most. You semantic game playing bitch.
>>2577590>>2577594>social fascismmeaningless term. pathetic attempt to use a different term than "authoritarian" after Engels destroyed the idea.
>>2577623>meaningless term. pathetic attempt to use a different term than "authoritarian" after Engels destroyed the idea.Lmao the average socdem faggot on this board doesn’t even know about Stalin now? Where the fuck do you think the term came from?
Answer, it came from the recognition that socdems have to be executed
>>2577622Not according to Marx faggot
>Socialism is about [faggot worship of a dead century and dead government]You ought to be shot alongside the social fascist
>>2577627>muh stalinIt was meaningless when he used the term too. In fact add the word "social" in front of a common political term and it's bound to be an empty insult lefties throw at each other.
>>2577643You declaring "workers owning the means of production=social fascism" is not a criticism.
Everything else in your rant is a non-sequitur.
>>2577654Workers owning the means of production isn’t what I referred to as “social fascism”, it’s simply not socialism at all lol but it isn’t “fascism”
No I was referring to the New Deal and social democracy as social fascism, maybe try to keep up retard
>>2577656>it’s simply not socialism at all lol but it isn’t “fascism”what is it then?
>I was referring to the New Deal and social democracy as social fascismThen why did you use the term in this post
>>2577594 in reference to worker's owning MoP?
>>2577653it's fucking happening god help the Venezuelans
>>2577653Fucking christ, man. Not this shit again. Enjoy your next war yankee cunts
All the based "anti-imperialists" screaming about muh zog will be against the Venezuelan war, no?
>>2577683No because they brown.
>>2577512
a waste of time. the world should be under a single worker polity
>>2577512
What are you even trying to do?
>MENA basically becommes 2 big SSRs and a few smaller ones
>subsaharan Africa becomes largely 1 giant blob
>placing Argentina and Nevada together in that huge mess.
Why are you placing 2 regions in the same SSR that are basically on the other side of the world?
>balkanize the UK
>balkanize Sri Lanka
Y tho?
>>2577664>what is it then?A sort of weird postcapitalist regime where capital still dominates social relations and sets production
The working class is far more fundamental to capitalism than bourgeois piggies are, the working class produces surplus value, piggies just coordinate production, but anyone can do piggy’s job; the working class can reproduces itself as the working class and in doing so produce the exact relations of capital and also a personification of capital to carry out the coordinating function
It must be remembered that the working class is a bourgeois class, a class of the capitalist mode of production, it is the most fundamental class to the capitalist mode of production as it is the sole creator of value, without which capital is nothing, so long as this greatest of all productive resources is reproduced in its class form, capital’s social metabolic order has been preserved; sadly abolishing the bourgeoisie isn’t enough
Now social fascism is not what I am describing, what I am describing refers more to the noble, tragic, and cynical attempts at truly transcending capital’s order in the 20th Century; social fascism is the far more vile imperialist national chauvinist revision of the original Marxist project; social fascism *is* the imperialist social democracy that emerged in the lead-up to the Imperialist world wars; the socialdemocrats who ultimately sold their working classes into the brutal bloodletting of the proletariat, who demobilized workers in revolutionary opposition to the war, and ultimately did their part in externally crushing Lenin’s revolution by drowning the international proletarian revolution in blood by mobilizing the earliest proto-fascists
This is what social fascism aka social democracy is. America had a peculiar form of social fascism wherein there never even was a united proletarian revolutionary uprising, however there was immense and escalating class conflict, increasing radical and advanced socialist parties emerging even in this most bourgeois and settler colonial of societies, and increasingly militant movements of colonized nationalities and ethnicities within the US as well as an international environment of trade collapse and eventually global war abroad the solution in America was the combination of chauvinist pro-imperialist trade unions becoming officially recognized by and softly integrated into the state, the state taking on tasks of social reproduction of the working class alongside subsidies both to cartelize and mechanize industries like agriculture while also subsidizing petit bourgeois franchises and owners and kicking it with corporations too; a vicious redivision of the American proletariat along racial lines to turn a mass section of the American working class back into a vanguard for reaction at least in the short term (and by short we mean on the scale of decades up to the present day, so, geologically short) while the radicals were hunted down from the 30s to the 50s and over the proceeding century superprofits from imperialist exploitation made it possible, combined with the further development of the production of relative surplus value within the Global North, to slacken the chains on the members of the working class meaningfully included in the New Deal; so here we have what much of the modern Left calls “American socialism” and it was literally built out of racial stratification, global war, the state devouring more and more of civil society and social life, constant military expansion, the further perfection of the exploitation of labour power, and imperialist exploitation across the entire world; hence, social fascism.
Get it now?
>Then why did you use the term in this post >>2577594 (You) in reference to worker's owning MoP?Because that’s the sort of shit baby leftists parrot without considering the implications from a Marxist POV because they have never read Capital and do not understand what the working class is and what its existence means.
>>2577653The majority of Americans wont get this is essentially a declaration of war, unfortunately.
>>2577735america is simply a military dictatorship
>>2577623Wrong. In the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, Chairman Mao led the whole Party, the entire armed forces, and the whole people to destroy the two bourgeois command headquarters headed by social fascist soviet lovers Liu Shaoqi and Lin Biao. This bunch of renegades and traitors conspired to usurp the supreme power of the Party and the state and sought to fundamentally transform the basic Party line and policy for the whole socialist historical stage in order to transform the Marxist Leninist Party into a revisionist fascist party, sabotage proletarian dictatorship, and restore capitalism. The substance of their revisionist line is extreme Right. Their counterrevolutionary conspiracy has been crushed by the hundreds of millions of revolutionary people of China. The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution has won a great victory.
>>2577653>"How are your global tariffs a response to a national security threat?"<"See, we're having to bomb Venezuela now just to stop the drugs!"I don't think it is just a coincidence this is all happen while the supreme court is still deciding the case on Trump's tariff legality. He's got a nice scam going that's enriching his family, and he's willing to blow up the world just to keep it going
>>2577753>decedent of gladiatorsweren't they mostly non latins?
>>2577757Reactionary spics love to LARP as Romans they also aren't intelligent so they just think gladiators are cool
>>2577736I'm not convinced a full scale attack on Venezuela is inevitable as that would open the door wide open for taiwan reunification. a small scale low intensity conflict seems more likely
peace president btw
>>2577769more like piss president amirite guis?
Is the cpusa doing anything to help socialist venezuela
>>2577545>Personally I'm not in favor of immigration as capitalists use it to depress wagesI know some of you uyghas would vote for Hitler if he offered good wages and free college or whatever
>>2577778Hitler didn't even give the unemployed wages.
>>2577778It's probably the same hitlerite as in the Europe immigration threa
>>2577793go to your containment thread I don't want to be bothered by god awful twitter posts
>>2577786Watch the video. I know its hard because hes demented.
Social fascists, like that demented one, always blame Communists, not the social fascists, for rise of fascists. They take Dimitrov Report which calls for temporary tactical alliance with social fascists (which can only exist under very peculiar conditions) to arm workers against fascists. That is why they are revisionists who cannot be Communists.
Joe Simms thinks he is applying Dimitrov United Front. Joe Simms hasnt armed single worker. That is why we say Joe Simms and all who follow him are liquidationist dick riders. They just want to ride social fascist dick eternally and call that a united front
total burger death
>>2577812>dick ridersyou love talking about men riding dick huh
>>2577793>uhhhh, actually being a pedo is the new punk rock, libtard 8)That's nice, now face the wood chipper
>>2577552>Fashion designers should go crazy using any and all cultures throughout history as influence including ideas from Scifi and Fantasy. Mix and match everything until people figure out what they think looks cool. It will eventually be completely separate from older styles and the old racial and national connotations will lose meaning.I think unironically people are kind of sick of the modern style of Capitalist aesthetics which gives right wingers some rhetorical tool where they can claim they'll change the aesthetics to something "neater" I guess. Y'know that meme where it's like "we live in a cyberpunk dystopia, but not the cool kind"? Sort of like that. Technology advances but we're still kind of bound by aesthetic trends emphasizing grey and minimalism, we're still wearing functionally the same style of clothes. There's no escape from the baseline, nothing "cool", just standardization.
>>2577816that's what Petro gets to be a pussy about the US.
>>2577832the real reason they keep slaughtering everyone on every boat they find is because none of them are actually drug boats
>>2577804this is my favorite thing american rightoids do now. "yes i am going to say what I've always thought, out loud, and with zero shame, but also I want you to know that it's paid indians and mossad israelis saying these things, not me"
buddy the reason paid shills from these two countries repeat your opinions on blast is because they are part of the American Axis.
>>2577790NW corner: no agreements
SW corner: no agreements
NE corner: no agreements
SE corner; MUCHO 'GREEMINTZ
florida as always continues to be the cringe corner, hell on earth, america's sweaty infected cock
abolish christmas
>>2577854That’s not what’s being said, what’s being said is that the right wing, especially the online right is mostly an illusion propped up by billions in propaganda that’s mostly offshored to the third world. I doubt many of these click farmers are ideologically right wing themselves.
>>2577854How do I get a gig as a paid shill, I'm running low on cash
>>2577736legal system aside, basically yes.
>>2577858Lmao fuck off amerifat. I've suffered enough racism IRL and online to know that the ultra racist right is NOT an illusion. Next you'll tell me the millions of Euroids voting far right are actually secretly Indians wearing white skin suits
>>2577572the difference I think is that the US empire is the first empire that is capable of destroying the whole world many times over if it doesn't like the outcome of its decline and dissolution. The USSR could have done that as well, but the USSR wasn't an empire and wasn't interested in flipping the table because it lost the board game. It dissolve peacefully (and stupidly) because it became revisionist. The US will wreck the whole world if it loses its standing, something the British empire could not have done during its decline because it did not have nukes yet.
>>2577862I’m not going to defend euros and you can make me but yes you experienced racism online mostly from bots that are paid for by the bourgeoisie who control all these platforms.
>>2577804that image shows how baked in racism is to USA society. even "The Left" can't help themselves.
>>2577859Literally just open a bunch of accounts and use a scrapper to post millions of times per second
I've noticed that the anti-indian hatred which I myself have fallen for multiple times is a sort of westoid supremacy thing where we cope that despite the increasingly shitty wealth-divide cost of living standard and industrial crisis of the west, we can at the very least pretend that Indian with its horrific caste society is worse.
>>2577866yeah rather than fighting the reactionaries who definitely exist IRL, too many want to pretend everyone spamming TND online is just a paid indian or israeli. those exist but they just amplify what was already existing IRL. You have to fight these people. They're not merely an illusion. Kids literally grow up and get their opinions in echo chambers, whether propped up by bots or or not.
>>2577865>yes you experienced racism online mostly from botsyeah just tell the man what he experienced why don't you
>>2577855there's a local station that plays only these from November-January but people don't listen to radio anymore
>>2577869I’m not going to deny they exist but they are vastly over represented because the bourgeoisie pour billions of dollars into propaganda. Even with the billions of propaganda and click farms to create this illusion it’s still not enough to overcoming the contradictions and growing demand for socialism.
>>2577868IMO I don’t like the anti-Indian stuff either. America left is in the unfortunate position where we got to defend immigrants while at the same time the U.S makes sure to import the most reactionary and petite-bourgeoisie, especially from India. We got find a way to organize past that though.
>>2577883yeah because the CIA puts those bourg collaborators in power
>>2577882I have a 24 year old van with a cassette player. I use the radio sometimes but not for Christmas songs.
>>2577874it's funny that the best strategy for china in this case is to pretend to be more socialist than it actually might be. if people like thiel were sure that their enemy isn't socialist, they would try to force a nuclear war to wipe out significant chunks of the working class, ww1 style. they can't do this versus a socialist country because there is a chance that, if the other side wins, it would spread the revolution world wide. if all the parties to the conflict are capitalist, then for a capitalist it doesn't matter which side wins
>>2577863I doubt even a third of the american nuclear stockpile is service ready
>>2577902We've fucking put hyperborea editors into a position of power.
>>2577816>Blast random facilities>a random death from a Venezuelan worker>Trump makes an announcement saying he ended narco terrorism and that the mission has been accomplished Bay of Pigs 2.0 averted
>>2577898Even a small fraction of America’s service-ready nuclear arsenal could cause unprecedented devastation and long-lasting global consequences, because modern thermonuclear weapons are 20-30 times more destructive than those used at the end of World War II
>>2577905>>2577898>>2577895My biggest fear is the bourgeoisie stuffing A.I bullshit into the nuclear arsenal. I don’t think they have the means to modernize the nuclear arsenal but instead will put some LED lights and plug chatgpt into some decaying ICBMS and who knows what happens after that.
>>2577912yeah they'll train the "should we launch nukes yet" AI on John Birch society papers and other paranoid insane reactionary ramblings
>>2577902Soy occupied government
>>2577909obsessing over narcoterrorists in the Venezuelan military (conveniently) for three weeks straight must have a materialist purpose other than a small strike. I think he wants to scare concessions out of the Venezuelan regime.
>>2577911nukes are a nothingburger even if states treat them like they aren't
>>2577902don't they hate that guy?
>>2577919Trump loves Lincoln. Probably has no clue what he actually did, but he loves him.
>>2577815We call them dick riders because that's exactly what they are. Actual united front results in joint worker millitias and illegal strikes, not No Kings protest in state designated kill zone. Joe simmms believes a united front can be formed, but democrats do not control workers like social fascists. Democrats do not organize strikes. Democrats will never agree to illegal strikes or worker millitia. Therefore the elements of supposed united front are nonexistent
>>2577918*drops a nothingburger on your house*
>>2577902Americanism is a religion at odds with eastern and western Christianity (see Testem benevolentiae nostrae) and Islam, and zios only care about Israel so I doubt it will ever have broad support. This is peak delusion.
If Lincoln saw this shit he'd walk back to Kentucky and cry.
11 stars = 11 confederate states too
India is an illegitimate Hindu supremacist state.
The subcontinent must be unified under socialist Islam.
Till then I'll shit on Indians, but never my Paki brothers
>>2577921He wanted to suck Lincoln's big cock
>>2577928(ironically) the editor is basing it on those thinly veiled neo-fascistic videos about evvvvvvvropa on youtube that use the EU bureau stars
>>2577918they just seem like a nothingburger because they have only been used in combat once, back when they were 20x weaker than they are now. To this day, the Bikini Atoll islanders are prohibited from returning home due to nuclear contamination from the postwar nuclear tests.
20 years re-education camp for the state department meme creator
How can anyone compare China and India and not realize capitalist, right-wing policies have been an abject failure? It’s even more obvious when the only decent state in the country (Kerala) is governed by a communist party.
>>2577928to be fair, it's framed around Lincoln's head. which implies, in my headcanon, that Lincoln has collected them like war trophies
>>2577937because certain people on here have a redditor conception of China that is based on suicide net uyghur genocide tiananmen square blah blah blah. not to derail this thread into china/india, but it is incredibly obvious which people have a better standard of living.
>>2577937Because of two reasons. One if that India is a very very successful country (if you're a bloodsucking parasite) and the other is no matter how successful China is or how much they do to punish parasitic behaviour or give support to the weak and struggling China will always be bad because it's not "democratic".
I watched a documentary about the richest people in Dehli living up the most debaucherous roman empire esque life style whilst the people of old dehli rot in victorian era slum conditions in unsafe work environments for bosses who pay no taxes.
>>2577931Anyone else notice the right constantly plays up this
>we were Europeans and shitBut at the same time think euros are genetically gay communist? Trump’s particularly dismissive to Europe. So I don’t really get how they’re trying to square this circle.
>>2577927Lincoln was evil landowner who volunteered to genocide natives. America today is lincoln's grand vision
>>2577941It's literally "we're more european than the europeans" whilst slurping on a big gulp and shitting their sweatpants.
>>2577937Why are you antidemocratic?
>>2577943lol lincoln owned less land than his father, and he was president of the united states
>>2577937Kerala is only successful because it has programs sending workers to the UAE and Qatar with lots of remittances coming back
>>2577941'western civilization first' seems like an attempt to counter the rising 'american first' movement. especially if europe is about to go to war with Russia. I'm not sure it'll work
>>2577947nah there are metrics like life expectancy and sanitation where kerala outperforms the rest of india, and that is not explainable by remittances alone. But in any case remittances are a reflection of imperialism, where the same labor will get paid different wages depending on what country you work in. Those who oppose a conspiracy of mass migration but do not address the wage question will only militarize their borders and not actually fix the root cause.
>>2577941there's many different types of rightoid. you have your richard spencer types who look to EVROPA and hitlerian national socialism, your america first types who want multiracial ᴉuᴉlossnW style fascism but more religious, your MIGA/MAGA normies, your larouchites, your lolbertarians who want to privatize and deregulate everything, your various type of hotep reactionaries who larp as pharaohs or jews, your oldguard "neo"liberals and "neo"cons who haven't been "neo" in 50 years, your zionists, your salafists, your hindutvas, etc.
>>2577946Wrong. Lincoln owned bonds and land because he was genocidal interest seeking parasite who killed natives and workers
>>2577947>Kerala is only successful because it has programstrue
>>2577971socialism is when there are programs
and when the programs last 5 years then it is communism
>>2577941As this anon mentioned
>>2577965 there are lots of different kinds of right wingers.
Honestly I think "The Right" can be divided into "intellectuals" and its "base", with there being some friction between them that explodes into contempt on occasions. The "Intellectuals" tend to be more WASPy and fall for the "EVROPA" nonsense, the "base" tends to be more religious and kind of "typical" of American nationalists. Funny enough this cropped up with the "Martel Society", who were psychotic paleocons. They had some connection with both Richard Spencer and I believe Matthew Heimbach, but came to support Spencer because Heimbach was "too low class" for them. Spencer was a clean-cut WASP who could talk about Bach or whatever, Heimbach would be more into Metallica.
Of course within the "base" of the Right, it isn't wholly "working class". I'd say its as powerful as it is because of a layer of petite-bourgeois supporters that can leverage resources if angry enough to steer the conversation. I don't think those petite-bouge types give a fuck about shit like Race "science" (though they're undoubtedly racist) but rather they're a grab-bag of contradictory positions with a wholly incoherent set of politics. Like they'll still try to claim they're "not racist" but think Black people should get the death penalty for minor crimes to "keep them in line" or they think "free market competition is good" just not for their local towns.
So you kind of had this with Charlie Kirk's death and evangelicals getting angry at claims he was "about to convert to Catholicism." They can't stand that these god-damned Catholics act like they're better than them because they have a theology and the evangelicals have "the banana proves evolution isn't real because it was designed to perfectly fit into our hands". The intellectual right sees the base as bores, as morons that they'll try to manipulate into the "correct" line but will just as easily veer off like spoiled children to demand schools teach that the world is only 7,000 years old. The base despises the intellectual right because they're effeminate and gay and make them look stupid by usin' all them fancy college words. The Right Wing base is truly anti-intellectual in that they see anyone with an argument beyond "THE BIBLE SAYS IT/I BELIEVE IT/THAT SETTLES IT!" as insidious and resembling those gay liberal academics too much. They're truly authoritarian because they believe that merely asserting something makes it true in itself.
I think post-Trump there'll be a rupture in the GOP between the "right wing intellectuals" and the base. The intellectuals would try to rally behind some Thiel backed candidate like J.D. Vance. The base will want a genuine flyover retard like MTG.
>>2576595the only thing that makes me question whether this post is real is that it wasn't written in bastardised hebrew.
>>2577967Jefferson and Jackson were the worst offenders as regards forced removal and genocide. When the civil war pitted brother against brother in the 'Gettysburg of the west' (not Glorietta but Honey Springs) the five nations involved were fighting for survival on the only land they had left. What they got in return were orphanages to house the offspring of the fallen.
>>2576286Realistically, collapse is more likely than managed degrowth or revolt, and we should probably be anticipating that, as the next historic stage. I don't even think capital is useful as a framing device anymore, it is just extinction, the forces of extinction and the anti-extinct movement. Just as capital is always destined to win, extinction is destined to prevail over life. The main strategy consists of communicating to future humans living in a world which is thoroughly subjugated by the extinctionist forces, and conveying whatever information we can glean about them in the present. ie their methods, what gods they worship, what the role of child rape is in all of their rituals; evidence of extinctionists committing human sacrifice should be preserved and propagated like the frazzledrip video.
>>2577937Real capitalism has never been tried and gommunism killed 1 gigantillion people in Ukkkraine alone…
>>2577985>The "Intellectuals" tend to be more WASPy and fall for the "EVROPA" nonsense, the "base" tends to be more religious and kind of "typical" of American nationalists. Funny enough this cropped up with the "Martel Society", who were psychotic paleocons. They had some connection with both Richard Spencer and I believe Matthew Heimbach, but came to support Spencer because Heimbach was "too low class" for them.Yeah, social class. I ran across Julia James Davis recently. She's a Houston oil heiress who has become a "trad Western beauty" influencer and Catholic convert. It's the same with right-wing literature, like if you read Oswald Spengler and casting about wistfully at the Decline of the West, you were either one of these Martel Society people, or you were a professor (and perhaps not even a conservative but you read it for research purposes), or you were a British/German aristocrat in 1920. Roger Scruton, the English conservative intellectual, was another one of these types.
>The Right Wing base is truly anti-intellectual in that they see anyone with an argument beyond "THE BIBLE SAYS IT/I BELIEVE IT/THAT SETTLES IT!" as insidious and resembling those gay liberal academics too much. Oh yeahg. Well they distrust any class of "experts" telling them how to live. This recalls Jeffersonianism which downgraded intellectual labor to be more on the same level as manual labor, and which was opposed to the feudal world of Europe in which they came. Of course this has turned reactionary so they're drinking horse paste but a lot of this neo-Catholic trad stuff is some yearning for moral discipline by scions of the haute bourgeoisie and those who want to level up to that elite plane, while the downwardly-mobile Evangelicals in the Republican base will eventually rebel and be like "begone with your Roman popery! War in the spirit! War in the spirit!"
>>2578009Could use a bit of greenery tbh
>>2578001>Oh yeahg. Well they distrust any class of "experts" telling them how to live. This recalls Jeffersonianism which downgraded intellectual labor to be more on the same level as manual labor, and which was opposed to the feudal world of Europe in which they came. I don't even know if its Jeffersonian so much as maybe an outcropping of a very authoritarian parenting style. Like the type of midwestern parent that burns Harry Potter books because they're convinced its "witchcraft". No arguing with them, no disobedience, no logic, just get smacked across the cheek and told to shut up and obey.
>>2578020I will be living INSIDE the literal communist block on top of the communist apartment block.
>>2578020This is not raygun gothic
another kkkrakkka down ugotfw
>>2578018>obeyDon't read trads /fundies also expect cringing, servile fear from 'their' women as well? It seems like they cherry pick to fit a political agenda which is tantamount to a giant larp. From what I've seen it is self defeating in that the oppressed lose heart and rebel if they recognize the abusive patterns and choose to break the cycle. But it seems fear is also a trap, and the greater the fear the more difficult the escape from it.
>>2577757>weren't they mostly non latins?She mean she is descended from that one
gladiator who was formerly a Roman general Maximums Meridius, from that movie gladiator.
>>2577753Does she also LARP as Christian? It just occured to me how funny it is for Christians to celebrate gladiator fights when that's one of their biggest legends is about how they stopped them.
>>2578033Socialist architecture will be whatever I feel like cus I'll be head chairman of the Building Department obviously
>>2578033It will be art deco which is peak
>>2578060Silence bureaucrat
>>2578062Shut up, filing paperwork is good for the soul and it's okay if someone's calling is to collate paper and make big lists and spreadsheets and sign papers and shuffle assets around
>>2578057>Don't read trads /fundies also expect cringing, servile fear from 'their' women as well? It seems like they cherry pick to fit a political agenda which is tantamount to a giant larp. From what I've seen it is self defeating in that the oppressed lose heart and rebel if they recognize the abusive patterns and choose to break the cycle. But it seems fear is also a trap, and the greater the fear the more difficult the escape from it.The smart ones mix fear and shit like love-bombing or whatever to really fuck with your head. You grow up seeing love as conditional and so you do whatever you can without confidence until someone else tells you "good job".
They basically want to make claims with all this fire and brimstone vigor then feel some sense of humiliation when someone says "you're wrong".
>>2578057In America the real girl bosses are on the right but no one's ready for that conversation.
>>2578103I guess that makes sense. I grew up with the humiliation part but never believed false praise if I received it. It's a logical inconsistency. Maybe I would've fallen for it except that fosters and pretenders have difficulty enough posing as real parents.
>>2578111The only girl 'bosses' I ever had was when I was pussy whipped when I was younger. Heh…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnOCuAePLzQ honkoid status?
>>2578066Whatever you say statist
Unique IPs: 130