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>Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
>You must answer the question to make a new thread. See the last field.
>The body was too short or empty.
6-2=????
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>>2612017
there is no point at all; its a personal grievance against university students being projected as a political orientation. this can be typically understood as anti-intellectualism; a tendency amongst reactionaries.

>>2611900
this is conceptual stretching beyond what a treatlerite originally was.
the original treatlerites are more like dems/labourites who (a) explicitly recognize that their treats are downstream of the status quo and therefore protect it, and (b) take reactionary stances when the supply of treats is threatened. (e.g. supporting union-busting because they're personally inconvenienced by a strike.)
if someone's voting Corbyn to get more money so that they can have a treat for once in their life, this isn't treatlerism. even if such a worldview requires all the exploitative apparatus of treat production, the person neither recognizes this fact, nor takes a reactionary stance in light of it. it is at best treat…welsism.

>>2612069
It isn't, it's an indictment of the state of affairs for political organisation within capitalist society, namely that the individual is the centre piece for bourgeois freedoms irrespective of one's orientation.

Seethe on

>>2612207
pure word salad

>>2612084
The status quo is the political establishment. So long as Your Party remains hitched to electoralist reforms as a way to bleed concessions from the bourgeoisie whilst failing to establish a revolutionary body, the more it simply legitimates the British imperialist state.

These people are treatlerites; they want incremental policy changes without the commitment to the overthrow of capitalism and all that attends it. Notions of wealth redistribution presented by their leaders become fly traps which draw the politically uneducated back into the failing cycle of bourgeois representative democracy.

Their ultimate drive isn't for the abolition of wage slavery, but merely its incremental adjustment by offering watered down visions for social cohesion under PR narratives of 'community' and 'trust'. It is bourgeois socialism proper.

Unfortunately that ship has completely sailed: British society is now spiralling in a circle of political reaction which cannot be undone.

>>2612218
I accept your concession

>>2612222
concesion to what? youre literally making no point, bumbling from one boring pontification to the next, all cause of some pathological resentment against uni students.

>>2612227
What big wins have you and uni mates had organising in the service sector in the last decade?

>>2612227
Clearly isn't, I couldn't give a shit if someone's been to university. It's the state of political life in Britain wherein the false ideological premises of bourgeois society are accepted as the norm, and supposedly socialist causes are fundamentally anti-materialist and anti-historical.

I made reference to knowing someone like that as they best encapsulate the idea presented wherein one's own opinions are nothing but a form of consumption of an identity. These individuals do not want change, least of all because they cannot conceptualise any coherent doctrine for it.

>>2612222
you have restated my thesis without engaging with any of my points. you offer a definition of 'treatlerite' that covers 99.99% of the british public.
i may as well declare you a treatlerite as well because at the end of the day, i know you've got more than bread and water in your kitchen. the only novelty you add is a desire to look clever on leftypol.org.

>>2612235
your arrogant desire to feel superior to others blinds you to the possibility that they are, in fact, acting in good faith. that perhaps someone who consumes the identity of a revolutionary does so because they do want a revolution but are naive and (glibly) purchase the wrong product.

which is an easy thing to do when the wrong thing is slickly marketed by people who are for the most part equally acting in good faith, but mislead, while the "right thing" is marketed by arrogant people who insist that you're hitler for trying, hitler for not trying, hitler for not being them, and (for grovelling insufficiently) hitler when you try to be them.
what went wrong in my life that i'm sitting here at 2:18am correcting you instead of sleeping comfortably. why am i here and not on twitter or discord. the bleakest thing i can say of you is that i know better than you and i'd still sell my soul in an instant to be anywhere but here except /pol/.

>>2612283
>. why am i here and not on [stormfront] or [ironwaffles forum]
Nta but cmon anon. That shits even worse for you than this place.

>>2612283
>i know you've got more than bread and water in your kitchen

Hilarious, I have fuck all. I've been sanctioned by the DWP and have run out of cash. I've been scraping by eating 60p packets of biscuits per day (1600 calories) for the past week and a half and have been facing homelessness for a while now.

>covers 99% of the British public

Because fundamentally it is. Engaging in meaningful political change means fundamentally having the correct grounding in theory; these individuals desire change only insofar as it extends life to their vision of a society forged from the spectre of capitalist society. They cannot desire nor work towards a new society because one cannot be imagined; only the socialists, and above all, only those of the scientific socialists are capable of reaching towards this. The rest are landlocked behind credulous bourgeois ideals regarding housing, wages, food, etc as commodities. There is no impetus for the radical overthrow of society but merely a reconciliation with the powers that be for an adoption of those values which can be said to converge with the interests of the capitalist class.

The idea that good faith should redeem the ignorance of would be revolutionaries who cannot stomach basic notions which were inimical to the mass uphevals led by the Marxists of the 19th and 20th centuries is pathetic; I will not apologise for labelling an anarchist or another socialist a wrecker because they attempt to platform their repulsive absurd and cult like dogmas which fly in the face of critical thought and smear basic scientific and historical thought with their neanderthal-like obsessions.

There is no left in this country because, fundamentally, there has been no development of the class basis for its achievement. There is no proletariat, not in the sense that there are no workers, but in the sense that there is no contemporary mobilisation which is not already precluded by the existence of the workers themselves. The ends of the workers movements have become a form of concession striking, in which unions exist to merely renegotiate bargaining contracts for teachers, doctors, rail workers, etc. There can be no left without the supercession of these forms of activisim, which are the principle of political life in Britain, because they necessary act to starve any movement of success - radical or no.

I detest 99% of this nation because they are complicit in their own subjugation. Rentier extraction, the battery farming of the elderly for profit, the imbecilic repetition of the guiding mantra in daily life, across all spaces, of profit; there is no resistence to it. There is simply a resistence to the general constriction of wages organised behind placards which obscure the real relation between labourers and the system of production. The fact that leftistst on this board likewise don't find it sickening when some moron dons the colours of their chosen supermarket sold ideology, in a sense donning a clown outfit, and attempts to speak on behalf of the opressed is a problem. It is a stupidity which infests every corner of British society. One which promotes a bigotry in progressive beliefs whereby the basic right to an opinion is silenced by the most vapid bourgeois thinking, repeated ad infinitum for the pleasure of those who can afford the goodies that capitalist life provides.

I don't care what you term them, if they cannot hold their own position in relation to the political and economic system from which they profit in their own exploitation and those of the global proletariat through power imbalances, then I do not give one iota of a shit for their opinions. Nor yours for that matter.

>>2612288
i'm not so sure it is. i've been here the best part of a decade and it definitely peaked towards the beginning. people who've wasted their lives on discord and twitter have friends and enemies and all the trinkets of having actually lived a social existence with other people. for similar time investment, all i've got is the smug knowledge that i created a long-dead injoke or two and i did so without the prospect of any individual recognition for so doing (which when you think about it, makes me a purer soul than any stakhanovite, who may have been tainted by a wish for recognition…)

the only caveat i'll add is that i'm always comparing myself to lib-left losers, not to rightists or to the weird sub-set of yanks who have unremarkable political beliefs like the need for zoning reform but inexplicably go out and shoot a famous person one day.

>>2612318
i may give you a better reply later, but for now compulsion takes my hand:
>Engaging in meaningful political change means fundamentally having the correct grounding in theory
this simply is not true. it will never be true.
Pont du Gard was constructed 2000 years ago by people who thought the pecking of chickens could forewarn the outcome of a battle and who hadn't so much as the concept of zero, and it stands to this day. the left is screwed for want of practical experience, not for want of theory.

>because they attempt to platform their repulsive absurd and cult like dogmas which fly in the face of critical thought and smear basic scientific and historical thought with their neanderthal-like obsessions.

>a bigotry in progressive beliefs whereby the basic right to an opinion is silenced by the most vapid bourgeois thinking
this is secretly about transhumanists isn't it.

>>2612320
>this is secretly about transhumanists isn't it.

It's about the totality; every position one can take is immanently replacable by the next. Whether it's the apalling mentally stunted racism of so called progressives in their childish idealism or the stark hatred of foreigners from the most right wing. There is fundamentally no difference between these postions except the guiding antagonism which propels the ruling class in its position vis-a-vis their respective false ideological bases. Whatever the topic, what is licensed is a mode of political thought and existential being which is antithetical to a material basis for freedom, and what is enshrined is a near-Fascist like doctrine of implicit civic censorship (the volk) based on idealism. Whether you are pro or anti trans.

>this simply is not true. it will never be true.

This is the guiding principle behind scientific socialism, Marxism-Leninism, and is key to the 11th thesis. Revolutionary theory constitutes a revolutionary body and vice versa. The idea that your'e arguing the contrary is pathetic.

>>2612329
i am not being funny when i say your first paragraph is undialectical. i am being even less funny when, on reflection, i come to suspect that it flows from sublimating clinical depression into theory. a subject with which i am intimately familiar.

centuries of revolutionary theory have precious little by way of revolutionary bodies to show for themselves. even the obvious success cases strike one as arising more from being in the right place, at the right time, with the right organization, than they do to any kind of real theoretical purity. whether it's the NEP, or the pirouetting between "social fascism" and the popular front, or the fact the USSR ultimately imploded while China did the theoretically-ugly but pragmatically necessary things to survive and grow, they all gesture in the direction of practical experience trumping theory time and time again. once you've done the right thing, then you can sit down and puzzle out the theory behind it so others can learn from your experience.
you can, of course, reconstruct medical theory from a human body. you cannot yet, however, reconstruct a human body from medical theory. why should revolution be any different?

>>2612336
On the contrary, it's one founded on the basic notion that commodifcation necessarily entails substitution for efficacious reproduction, and that as one's social existence is consumed by the individual in capitalist society so too are their beliefs and convictions.

There is no real antagonism between these seemingly antithetical positions as either lobbies according to the dictates of that class from which they are derrived. It is a spectrum of false ideological beliefs, irregardless of the underlying material reality.

I will state it again: the majority of this country do not want change in the meaningful sense. You cannot convince me otherwise when one of the most predatory systems to date, elderly care, allows the old and infirm to lie dying swimming in their own shit because the for-profit system will never be challenged. it is a system of open bribery in which the conscience of the proletariat is bought off in exchange for their continued subjugation.

>>2612348
let's say you're right and that people don't want change: so what? on what planet do you live where things happen in these isles because a majority of the public want them to?

the era-defining failure of british state management is its refusal to bribe the proletariat. (pedantry, at this point, obliges me to point out in passing that you claim here that the proletariat is bribed, but claim in >>2612318 that there is no proletariat.)
the thing that may finally destroy the quote-unquote labour party for good is its failure to bribe, its failure to even pretend to bribe, it being the first to remind you at every turn that there is no money for bribes: not for the proletariat, not even for the professional managerial class. its solution to everything is more crackdowns and bans, the stick and not the carrot.
even in non-monetary terms, a labour government committed to social liberalism and a rhetoric-heavy action-light anti-genocide line could probably assemble a minimum-viable "bribe", and they will not do even that. they will not do it because they do not give a damn what the public want and they certainly do not give a damn what the labour voting public want.

your depressive theory papers over a much more depressing reality: nobody likes the status quo. it is true that nobody really wants particularly radical change, but almost nobody is being bought off either. the public exist to be subjugated, disciplined, and excluded, not bought off. even the notion that we live under a for profit system is wildly optimistic: elderly care, water, electricity, gas, rolling-stock companies, buy to let landlords, and god knows what else, are not really for-profit firms in a productive sense. they are badly run subsidy junkies sucking up rent from the public for doing little of value and doing it poorly, desperately throwing bribes at politicians in the hope that politicians can discipline an unruly public. they owe more to a strawman of the late soviet union than to anything you'll find in even a half-functioning european country.
even the people who run one set of these bastard firms hate the incompetence that comes from interacting with the others. this is a society and an economy creaking at the seems, desperately trying to delay a reckoning of one kind or another. it takes a certain optimism to imagine that we've merely the american problem, the australian problem, of living under capitalism and the profit motive.

blaming the public for their own subjugation is the easy way out. 69 million guilty men are suffering? (perhaps more? perhaps our view generalizes to the entire first world, treatlerites all.) good. god is in his heaven, all is right in the world.
far better to believe that than to accept that this country is deeply anomalous even by the standards of capitalist hellholes. far better to share the blame across 69 million people than to accept that this country is run by-and-for a small and shrinking number of people and that everyone else is a helot.

>>2612235
Everyone who goes to uni is a debt slave. A student loan is a mortgage for you mind and they won't allow you to pay it off until you are 60. And guess who likes to make money from money lending?

>>2612594
Parents who do not save for their kids uni fees and let them take student loans should be beaten on crossroads.

>>2612596
what is the price tag for a meal ticket these days? 15k per student? That's a lot of money. I think perhaps it is better to recognise that not everyone benefits from uni level 'education' and to reject tony blair's ruthless monetization of them.

£ducation
£ducation
£ducation

Merry Christmas to the charming people of Britain ♡

>>2612601
just looked it up and it is capped at just under 10k *per year*. That's an insane amount compared to what you can glean from youtube for free

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What are your thoughts on this dawg, anons?

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>>2612671
Sell a good rug?

>>2612671
cult leader

>>2612671
Now, you my call me a 'conspiracy theorist', but hear me out.
Two of the most iconic groups in history.
Both wear double denim.
Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/l482T0yNkeo?list=RDl482T0yNkeo
https://youtu.be/UvjLgjtJKsc?list=RDUvjLgjtJKsc

>>2612704
Why are they serving cunt

>>2612608
Bit rude to come here and say that then.

>>2612671
Yet to find out what the CPGB-ML actually do.

>>2612833
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9usrpAPao
This is not simple coincidence, the devil is at play

>>2612985
Why? I dont get it

>>2613034
None of us here are charming

>>2613038
you have beautiful eyes when you are seething

i wonder if i can ask the NHS voice therapy lady to make me a yankee. 90% of british accents are grim and the other 10% are fine but not for me.

>>2613049
90% of accents are NU-LE

>>2613050
you got me, i have no idea what that means

MLE is the actual term, but I find that to be offencive

>>2613038
I love the people of Britain. Granted, I spoke to only like 5 brits in my life, but they were all jolly, kind folks. and an extremely beautiful chick, so off Im biased

>>2613053
oh. i used to dislike that because it felt forced and fake on TV 20-odd years ago, but nowadays i don't really care.
it's odd that (to me at least) english accents from different parts of britain used to feel forced and foreign, but yank accents never did. yank accents are just what you have when you're on the telly or the computer.

>>2613071
uhm say something negative about israel real quick there chief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9usrpAPao

>>2613078
surely letter from america

>>2613094
inappropriate bassist alert/10
https://youtu.be/EPmTGFg06zA&t=37

>>2613103
it literally does not get better than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCRazqItiM

Merry christmo, have a good one

just woke up again, fuck's sake it's still Christmas

How come there is no footy on boxing day

>>2613683
because it's for boxing, footy is on footy day

Remember in 2017 where for a brief moment it seemed like things were looking up and there was some kind of momentum behind improving things in both your personal life and in politics but for the next 3 years the entire apparatus of governing this country was turned to destroying that possibility politically while you failed to take any initiative personally, and now you're back where you were in 2016 but older and with more regrets

haha

a LOT of adverts for the army lately…



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