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>>2587023Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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65 posts and 22 image replies omitted.>>2592050I mean, yeah. But does this guy not see the irony?
>>2592050>>2592052Anne Applebaum has been crying about Russia for almost four decades now.
Ukraine could have avoided conflict with one key step – ex-Biden adviser>A declaration of neutrality by Kiev “certainly would have prevented the destruction,” a former US official told Russian pranksters<During the calls, Amanda Sloat, who served as senior director for Europe at the NSC, said that a Ukrainian declaration of neutrality in 2021 or early 2022 “certainly would have prevented the destruction and the loss of life.”<“I was uncomfortable with the idea of the US pushing Ukraine” into taking that path, she added, noting that it would amount to “implicitly giving Russia some sphere of influence or veto power” on Kiev’s bid to join NATO.https://swentr.site/news/629298-biden-aide-ukraine-cheating/Vovan & Lexus strike again, getting a confirmation that essentially the Biden admin saw the destruction of Ukraine a price worth paying to prove that NATO does not engage in diplomacy.
>>2592012Italy: abandoned PURL
Belgium: Blocked funds stealing (Plan A)
Hungary: Blocked plan B, just in case Plan A doesn't work.
France: Not sure about stealing the funds.
It's like Rutte's position is merely symbolic.
>>2592050all US corruption is nominally worst than anyone's else.
who can blow up more than 6 trillion in the invasion of Afghanistan and have no one held accountable, after having everyone doing a Saigon2.0 in Kabul? the US, yes.
>>2592120I get the feeling that a lot of the screeching about an imminent invasion by Russia is a lot of the smaller EU/NATO states getting ready take the baton from Ukraine as the "frontlines of democracy" and therefore the
givas, while naturally avoiding provoking Russia and left praying Article 5 is printed on better toilet paper than Ukraine's security guarantees were.
>>2592092>I was uncomfortable with the idea of the US pushing Ukraine” into taking that pathyeah, but they are happy to push half the ukrainian ministerial cabinet under victoria nuland's orders.
>>2592127I can imagine Ukraine doing a bunch of terrorist attacks and falseflags to agitate the water in that scenario.
>>2592150>I can imagine Ukraine doing a bunch of terrorist attacks and falseflags to agitate the water in that scenario.Very likely, but I think by then Ukraine will have gone through some internal troubles and Zelensky removed. Therefore they can just dismiss very obviously Banderite terrorist attacks as infact ackshually Russian proxies and respond as they do to "Russian" drones striking Poland.
>>2592231who would control the zone then?
>>2592234Nobody. They're not accepting land surrender yet, they're saying they will demilitarise the east like the Rhineland in exchange for political control.
>>2592239>>2592231Oh man, they're ready to call it even? They're willing to slide such a "generous" offer Russia's way?
Sounds like they're about to lose eight regions, instead.
>>2592269Weeeea! We fought super hard and they wouldn’t even give us a gentlemen’s agreement that we can start this again 20 years from now!
>>2592321Someone beat me to it :-(
I know nobodies arguing about this silly thing any more, but I thought this quote from Lenin would settle the issue of campism and polarity. I found it ironically on a Russian communist blog talking about this topic of "choosing sides" in this war.
>“The proletariat is hostile to every bourgeoisie and all manifestations of the bourgeois system, but this hostility does not relieve him of the obligation of distinguishing between historically progressive and reactionary representatives of the bourgeoisie.” - Lenin, The Fall Of Port Arthur
and
>“At least the republican American bourgeoisie’s comparison with the monarchical Japanese or German (written during WW1), shows that the largest political difference is highly weakened in the epoch of imperialism, not because it does not matter at all, but because it is in all these cases of the bourgeoisie with certain features of parasitism." - Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism
I've discovered even Russian communist groups are divided on this issue but I thought this would make people understand that the socialist is not obliged to be defeatist for both sides during every imperialist war.
>>2592335>I've discovered even Russian communist groups are divided on this issueif only you knew lol.
I think it should be obvious though, even Marx wasn't a "no war but class war" sloganeer and clearly dissected the major conflicts of his time to identify progressive elements
>>2592335>but I thought this would make people understand that the socialist is not obliged to be defeatist for both sides during every imperialist warI've always thought that insisting on defeatism in all cases was a gross misapplication of Lenin. He supported his position with careful analysis of thr conditions that prevailed at the time. He never said that communist should never take sides in wars between capitalist powers under all circumstances.
>>2592343It seems that the divide is generational. The RCWP-CPSU was originally critical of the war, then supportive, which caused a split especially by younger members. Left-Front is extremely anti-putin but pro war, its leader is under arrest for social media posts. Labour Front despite being anti-revisionist joined up with the CPRF over the war. A few communist movements have been banned over their views which shows how precarious it is about how critical and uncritical you're allowed to be.
>>2592344>I've always thought that insisting on defeatism in all cases was a gross misapplication of Lenin. He supported his position with careful analysis of thr conditions that prevailed at the time. He never said that communist should never take sides in wars between capitalist powers under all circumstances.People associate his words with WW1, which of course was such a pointless obviously nationalistic war that every communist was against it. People assume all wars, except ones obviously conducted by a full-on communist state, have to fall under these rules.
>>2592345RKRP are neat. I have a few of their newspapers lying around. Have even considered joining them for what it's worth
>>2592353They're large enough that they have a seat on SolidNet just the same as the CPRF
>>2592012I fucking hate them
>>2592335I dont get how the second quote is relevant to the point you are making
>>2592397it shows how EU/NATO being more "democratic" doesn't make them apriori more progressive
>>2592231>>2592239>Mykhailo Podolyak,I wouldn't trust anything that ''summer Crimean vacation 2023" has to say. in fact, nothing to be trusted in those deals.
>>2592434Who gives a fuck? No amount of CEOs involved will produce a deal Russia will agree to.
>>2592434I reckon they misunderstood “Fink” for “Think” and assumed he could do that.
>>2592459No mistake, it's 4 jews including zelensky deciding how to carve up a christian country.
>>2592467the dolchstoßlegende in ukraine is going to be legendary
>>2592486Yep… the decision to reject a peace deal in 2022 is looking worse every day
Ordinary Russians are routinely miscast by Russophiles and uninformed outsiders as "stoic" by maintaining abnormally low standards of civic behavior for a superficially "European" and nominally "Christian" people. In the second-order this sets up an existential threat to millions of non-Russians. Russians' sullen silence and gross self-absorption lets them close their beady eyes to whatever depravity their poorer ethnic kin commit on non-Russians as well as whatever abuse their kleptocratic ruling class commits time and time again.
Оrdіnаrу Ruѕѕіаn CіtіzenЅ, especially the self-imagined "libеrаlѕ" and socially-clueless bоugiеѕ of Russia's only two metropolises have therefore long forfeited the privilege of being left in peace when their conscious apathy and infantile self-absorption have ripped away that privilege from tens of millions of non-Russians.
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Ukraine should bomb the State Hermitage Museum to the ground. There should be permanent consequences if you start a genocidal invasion. So the destruction of countless artifacts of Russian "culture", of the spineless Europeans and artifacts of immoral Global South countries that are in that Museum, would be sending a good message to the would-be Putins of the world that your actions will only result in the destruction of that which you claim is important to you.
>>2592530They want their country back and they don't want to die.
Two completely understandable human traits. But of course a beady eyed zigger wouldnt understand that
>>2592531>their countryRussian-speakers actually living there disagree, and you don't have the power to object. Cope, seethe, mald.
Livestream your suicide, when all of Yanukovych-voting regions secede to Russia. Minimum.
>>2592528>bombing a storage of the "arts" of spineless Europeans and looted artifacts from Global South countries that would be ukraine fighting against itself
>>2592537 This war will end with Russia losing vast swathes of territory to EU, Turkey and China.
>>2592531Continuing this war to the last hohol is a good way to guarantee that those chicken jingoists won't have a country. You can bitch about Russian war guilt all you want, but you or I can't do anything do Russia. The whole west can't do jack shit for Ukrainian state beside help Kiev fight to the last Ukrainian.
>>2592531>They want their country backtoo bad, lol
>>2592518honorary banderite, no doubt.
>>2592434>thoughts??that banderites seeing the
international juden taking a firmer grip on them must be lovin' it.
>>2592531>They want their country back and they don't want to die. there are three lies in that sentence.
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