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>>2590788heard somebody say putin is essentially a lib
>>2590788Third Worldism in aKkktion
>Financial Times: Russian assets frozen in the European Union could be permanently blocked, as European officials have discovered a clause in their legislation that allows such decisions to be made without unanimity among member states.
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>The price of dairy products and meat could increase by a third if power outages continue for eight hours a day.
>This forecast was made by Denis Marchuk, Deputy Chairman of the All-Ukrainian Agrarian Council.
>These products must be refrigerated.
>Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Finland, Sweden, and Ireland called for an expedited decision on a reparations loan to Ukraine financed by Russian assets, according to Politico.
>They addressed their appeal to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council President António Costa.
>Time is of the essence. By adopting a decision on the reparations loan at the European Council in December, we will be able to put Ukraine in a strong position to defend itself and negotiate a just and lasting peace, the letter states.
>Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Syrsky is sounding the alarm over the Russian army's advance and calling for mobilization.
>The key focus of our efforts is not weapons, but people. Mobilization, recruitment, new contracts — and, consequently, high-quality training, writes Syrsky.
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>Polsat: Poland was not invited to the December 8 summit in London, where steps to end the war in Ukraine are planned to be discussed.
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>Politico: Germany has agreed to provide a quarter of the so-called reparations loan for Ukraine, which is to be funded by frozen Russian assets.
>EU countries will have to contribute their own funds to cover the €210 billion loan to Ukraine. These obligations will be distributed proportionally among EU member statesь— this is necessary for approval by Belgian Prime Minister Bart de Wever. He fears that his country will subsequently be forced to compensate Russia for the funds.
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>Financial Times: Meanwhile, France has refused to contribute €18 billion from Russia, frozen in its commercial banks, to Ukraine's "reparations loan."
>A restroom "with a surprise" awaits conscripts in Odesa. The video is being shared on social media.
LMMMAOOO
>>2590890vidrel
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>Belgium doesn't want to give up frozen Russian assets to Ukraine for two reasons: Brussels itself receives profit/interest from them, and it would also be happy to quickly return the assets to Moscow, just to restore pre-war trade relations, says Kalenyuk, executive director of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center. >>2590876
>we don't suffer huge casualties, but if we do, it's not a fault of our own
>>2590889>"reparations loan."…what?
>>2590891Can't even take a shit without risking being van'd to Pokrovsk
>>2590893When Russia surrenders, Russia is ought to pay Ukraine reparations. Ukraine wants to grab a loan today to pay it back when Ukraine wins the war
It's basically how you wage wars in Paradox games lol
>>2590908
Don't be to harsh on them anon, can you imagine how hard it would be to put on all that makeup and do all the socially reproductive labour, and generally how emasculated living as a woman would be for an east euro man, to avoid the front only to be rumbled by saying the wrong thing at a street interview? We all make sacrifices for our lives.
>>2590788>be FED>le trollé /prc/ & /ukr/ with the tired gotcha: "they have trade with Israel"Nobody cares, dude. Your tactics are transparent to the vommunity. You will be worked to death in a gulag.
Kremlin rejects round 2 of the scammy energy ceasefire (round 1 = March/April 30-day energy ceasefire that Ukraine violated for the entire 30 days while the Kremlin said it would adhere to it anyway and then threw in a bonus 6 months without energy attacks, probably Waiting For Trump or Showing The Global South).
Thank fucktin!
Some weird hoodoo, but I notice everything stays based when I check in on the war for half an hour every four or five days instead of sitting glued to it for a couple of hours each day.
>>2590885Wow, they just "discovered" a clause that let's them do what they want to do huh
>>2590908
Zelya is from Krivoy Rog in the east. Ivano-Frankovsk is in Galicia, which is why they're so gung-ho.
>>2590948Is your guilt really assuaged by Russia trading oil with Israel alongside every other country on the planet?
>>2590913
>Trump's representatives are pressuring Zelensky for a swift response so that they can negotiate a ceasefire with Russia by Christmas.
This is one reason I'm glad that Cath/Prot Christcucks and Ortho Christcucks celebrate Christmas a couple of weeks apart. Less chance of cringey sentimentalism.
>>2590956As well as every other country on the planet*
Trump says Ukraine has "till Christmas" to come up with an agreeable peace deal. Again, Russia is just saying that Ukraine must surrender. No peace treaty. Surrender. And that Zelensky is not a legal president because his term length is expired, regardless what the constitution says about martial law.
This really is the best opportunity for Russia, or perhaps Russian communists, to pressure Putin to make the legalisation of banned socialist parties as part of surrender conditions. The leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine is in exile in Russia.
>>2591046>Trump says Ukraine has "till Christmas"oh boy another trump ultimatum that he will totally enforce and not send down the memory hole once the deadline passes and ukraine ignores it.
>>2591239
it was a joke about how the "lightning runes" merely denote an electrician, but you are also right, hah
>>2591293
did they send poisoned pepsi to ukraine? or are pepsi bottles used as weapons?
>>2591293>>2591321I've never liked pepsi tbh. I don't drink much soda overall but I occasionally grab an iranian imported coke to go with whiskey on weekdays.
>>2591342Who said pepsi is only for drinking?
Pepsi's acids and sugars offer surprising uses beyond drinking, acting as
a cleaner for rust, grime, and even burnt pots; a tenderizer and flavor base in marinades for meats (pork, chicken, burgers); an ingredient to make cakes, Jell-O, or even infused pepperoni; a boost for cut flowers; and a surprising mixer for cocktails like whiskey or rum drinks. Its phosphoric and citric acids cut through soap scum and hard water, while the sugar feeds cut flowers and adds depth to recipes, making it a versatile household hack. And much much more.
During a pro-Trump rally in Berkeley, California, in April 2017, several makeshift weapons were confiscated by police following violent clashes between demonstrators. Among the items was a Pepsi can that had been filled with concrete to be used as a blunt weapon. This incident gained notoriety due to its ironic contrast with a widely panned Pepsi commercial released around the same time, which depicted the soda as a force for peace during a protest.
Pepsi can also be turned into alchohol (Pruno / prison hooch) by fermenting fruit, sugar, or other sugary liquids with yeast. The process of fermentation of yeast converts sugars into alcohol.
For pepsi alchohol you will need:
Pepsi
Yeast (often the kind used for bread-making or alcohol production, like active dry yeast)
A source of additional sugar (optional, depending on the soda’s sugar content)
Fruit or other nutrients to help the fermentation process (optional, but it can help the yeast thrive)
Steps:
Step 1: Pour the Pepsi into a container that can be sealed (a plastic bag or bottle works).
Step 2: Add yeast (and possibly additional sugar or fruit juice if desired).
Step 3: Seal the container loosely (so gas can escape) and leave it in a warm place (like a dark cupboard or a drawer) for several days.
Step 4: Check it every day. After a few days, the yeast will ferment the sugar in the Pepsi, producing alcohol. It should start to smell like fermentation or slightly sour.
Step 5: Once it has fermented to your liking (usually around 3-5 days or more), strain out any solids and it’s ready to drink.
Safety: Making pruno, especially in unsanitary conditions, can lead to the growth of harmful bacteria. The alcohol content might not be high, and the drink can be unpleasant, but drinking it carries health risks, particularly if not prepared properly.
Taste: Pruno made from Pepsi will likely taste quite sweet.
Lean / purple drank may also be made with pepsi by mixing prescription-strength cough syrup containing codeine (DXM) and promethazine with pepsi, just make sure the syrup doesn't have any other harmful additives, always look for the purest DXM.
There are tons of potential uses for Pepsi.
>>2591342Weekdays? Damn, what are you drinking at the weekend?
>>2591361moonshine (unironically)
>>2591449>Ukraine ordered its troops to evacuate pokrovsk<into MyrnogradLol
>>2591239
Nuclear engineers are expendable unlike McDonald’s workers who are critical to state morale.
>>2591046>This really is the best opportunity for Russia, or perhaps Russian communists, to pressure Putin to make the legalisation of banned socialist parties as part of surrender conditions. The leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine is in exile in Russia.This, literally, there are no other anti-fascist parties that would be willing to work with Russia in a non-NATO, denazified Ukraine. The Russian government saved the leader of the KPU back in 2022 so I wager that Party will be relevant again soon.
Did something happen?
>>2591046We could genuinely see Putin placing the Communist Party of Ukraine in power as one of the terms of surrender.
>>2591592And people say muh imperialism, lol.
This is le interimperialist conflict.
I will laugh at the KKE-oids so hard when Ukraine becomes the first of the former USSR to have Communist governance and undergo socialist development thanks to the peace terms placing the KPU in charge.
>>2591592why do you say that?
>>2591611Cause he is marxist leninist.
>>2591611Because there are no other forces in Ukraine that aren't Banderite but the socialists.
>>2590868
Soon the BASED ukrainian proletariat will do revolution
Ukrainian officials have classified data on the number of criminal cases in which soldiers went absent without leave or deserted their units. The last publicly available figures showed nearly 290,000 cases recorded since the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022.
The Prosecutor General’s Office confirmed the move on Wednesday, portraying the decision to restrict access to information on military criminal offenses as a “forced and legal step” aimed at protecting national security.
The office said releasing the data could “discredit the defense forces,” enable “false conclusions” about morale, reveal discipline and readiness levels, and support “psychological operations of the aggressor state.”
>Ukrainian admiral Pepsyy Kokakolovich reports serious casualties on the Eastern front
Ogre status?
>tell zelensky to hold an election ASAP
>doesn't tell him to unban his political opposition
sus
>>2591717Col. Sevenop Sprytchuk said those reports are exaggerated.
Women will bravely and resolutely fight to the last man
Okay Chupa-Chuds
Nothing ever happens. Nothing happened in this conflict.
>>2592050I mean, yeah. But does this guy not see the irony?
>>2592050>>2592052Anne Applebaum has been crying about Russia for almost four decades now.
Ukraine could have avoided conflict with one key step – ex-Biden adviser>A declaration of neutrality by Kiev “certainly would have prevented the destruction,” a former US official told Russian pranksters<During the calls, Amanda Sloat, who served as senior director for Europe at the NSC, said that a Ukrainian declaration of neutrality in 2021 or early 2022 “certainly would have prevented the destruction and the loss of life.”<“I was uncomfortable with the idea of the US pushing Ukraine” into taking that path, she added, noting that it would amount to “implicitly giving Russia some sphere of influence or veto power” on Kiev’s bid to join NATO.https://swentr.site/news/629298-biden-aide-ukraine-cheating/Vovan & Lexus strike again, getting a confirmation that essentially the Biden admin saw the destruction of Ukraine a price worth paying to prove that NATO does not engage in diplomacy.
>>2592012Italy: abandoned PURL
Belgium: Blocked funds stealing (Plan A)
Hungary: Blocked plan B, just in case Plan A doesn't work.
France: Not sure about stealing the funds.
It's like Rutte's position is merely symbolic.
>>2592050all US corruption is nominally worst than anyone's else.
who can blow up more than 6 trillion in the invasion of Afghanistan and have no one held accountable, after having everyone doing a Saigon2.0 in Kabul? the US, yes.
>>2592120I get the feeling that a lot of the screeching about an imminent invasion by Russia is a lot of the smaller EU/NATO states getting ready take the baton from Ukraine as the "frontlines of democracy" and therefore the
givas, while naturally avoiding provoking Russia and left praying Article 5 is printed on better toilet paper than Ukraine's security guarantees were.
>>2592092>I was uncomfortable with the idea of the US pushing Ukraine” into taking that pathyeah, but they are happy to push half the ukrainian ministerial cabinet under victoria nuland's orders.
>>2592127I can imagine Ukraine doing a bunch of terrorist attacks and falseflags to agitate the water in that scenario.
>>2592150>I can imagine Ukraine doing a bunch of terrorist attacks and falseflags to agitate the water in that scenario.Very likely, but I think by then Ukraine will have gone through some internal troubles and Zelensky removed. Therefore they can just dismiss very obviously Banderite terrorist attacks as infact ackshually Russian proxies and respond as they do to "Russian" drones striking Poland.
>>2592231who would control the zone then?
>>2592234Nobody. They're not accepting land surrender yet, they're saying they will demilitarise the east like the Rhineland in exchange for political control.
>>2592239>>2592231Oh man, they're ready to call it even? They're willing to slide such a "generous" offer Russia's way?
Sounds like they're about to lose eight regions, instead.
>>2592269Weeeea! We fought super hard and they wouldn’t even give us a gentlemen’s agreement that we can start this again 20 years from now!
>>2592321Someone beat me to it :-(
I know nobodies arguing about this silly thing any more, but I thought this quote from Lenin would settle the issue of campism and polarity. I found it ironically on a Russian communist blog talking about this topic of "choosing sides" in this war.
>“The proletariat is hostile to every bourgeoisie and all manifestations of the bourgeois system, but this hostility does not relieve him of the obligation of distinguishing between historically progressive and reactionary representatives of the bourgeoisie.” - Lenin, The Fall Of Port Arthur
and
>“At least the republican American bourgeoisie’s comparison with the monarchical Japanese or German (written during WW1), shows that the largest political difference is highly weakened in the epoch of imperialism, not because it does not matter at all, but because it is in all these cases of the bourgeoisie with certain features of parasitism." - Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism
I've discovered even Russian communist groups are divided on this issue but I thought this would make people understand that the socialist is not obliged to be defeatist for both sides during every imperialist war.
>>2592335>I've discovered even Russian communist groups are divided on this issueif only you knew lol.
I think it should be obvious though, even Marx wasn't a "no war but class war" sloganeer and clearly dissected the major conflicts of his time to identify progressive elements
>>2592335>but I thought this would make people understand that the socialist is not obliged to be defeatist for both sides during every imperialist warI've always thought that insisting on defeatism in all cases was a gross misapplication of Lenin. He supported his position with careful analysis of thr conditions that prevailed at the time. He never said that communist should never take sides in wars between capitalist powers under all circumstances.
>>2592343It seems that the divide is generational. The RCWP-CPSU was originally critical of the war, then supportive, which caused a split especially by younger members. Left-Front is extremely anti-putin but pro war, its leader is under arrest for social media posts. Labour Front despite being anti-revisionist joined up with the CPRF over the war. A few communist movements have been banned over their views which shows how precarious it is about how critical and uncritical you're allowed to be.
>>2592344>I've always thought that insisting on defeatism in all cases was a gross misapplication of Lenin. He supported his position with careful analysis of thr conditions that prevailed at the time. He never said that communist should never take sides in wars between capitalist powers under all circumstances.People associate his words with WW1, which of course was such a pointless obviously nationalistic war that every communist was against it. People assume all wars, except ones obviously conducted by a full-on communist state, have to fall under these rules.
>>2592345RKRP are neat. I have a few of their newspapers lying around. Have even considered joining them for what it's worth
>>2592353They're large enough that they have a seat on SolidNet just the same as the CPRF
>>2592012I fucking hate them
>>2592335I dont get how the second quote is relevant to the point you are making
>>2592397it shows how EU/NATO being more "democratic" doesn't make them apriori more progressive
>>2592231>>2592239>Mykhailo Podolyak,I wouldn't trust anything that ''summer Crimean vacation 2023" has to say. in fact, nothing to be trusted in those deals.
>>2592434Who gives a fuck? No amount of CEOs involved will produce a deal Russia will agree to.
>>2592434I reckon they misunderstood “Fink” for “Think” and assumed he could do that.
>>2592459No mistake, it's 4 jews including zelensky deciding how to carve up a christian country.
>>2592467the dolchstoßlegende in ukraine is going to be legendary
>>2592486Yep… the decision to reject a peace deal in 2022 is looking worse every day
Ordinary Russians are routinely miscast by Russophiles and uninformed outsiders as "stoic" by maintaining abnormally low standards of civic behavior for a superficially "European" and nominally "Christian" people. In the second-order this sets up an existential threat to millions of non-Russians. Russians' sullen silence and gross self-absorption lets them close their beady eyes to whatever depravity their poorer ethnic kin commit on non-Russians as well as whatever abuse their kleptocratic ruling class commits time and time again.
Оrdіnаrу Ruѕѕіаn CіtіzenЅ, especially the self-imagined "libеrаlѕ" and socially-clueless bоugiеѕ of Russia's only two metropolises have therefore long forfeited the privilege of being left in peace when their conscious apathy and infantile self-absorption have ripped away that privilege from tens of millions of non-Russians.
TZD
Ukraine should bomb the State Hermitage Museum to the ground. There should be permanent consequences if you start a genocidal invasion. So the destruction of countless artifacts of Russian "culture", of the spineless Europeans and artifacts of immoral Global South countries that are in that Museum, would be sending a good message to the would-be Putins of the world that your actions will only result in the destruction of that which you claim is important to you.
>>2592530They want their country back and they don't want to die.
Two completely understandable human traits. But of course a beady eyed zigger wouldnt understand that
>>2592531>their countryRussian-speakers actually living there disagree, and you don't have the power to object. Cope, seethe, mald.
Livestream your suicide, when all of Yanukovych-voting regions secede to Russia. Minimum.
>>2592528>bombing a storage of the "arts" of spineless Europeans and looted artifacts from Global South countries that would be ukraine fighting against itself
>>2592537 This war will end with Russia losing vast swathes of territory to EU, Turkey and China.
>>2592531Continuing this war to the last hohol is a good way to guarantee that those chicken jingoists won't have a country. You can bitch about Russian war guilt all you want, but you or I can't do anything do Russia. The whole west can't do jack shit for Ukrainian state beside help Kiev fight to the last Ukrainian.
>>2592531>They want their country backtoo bad, lol
>>2592518honorary banderite, no doubt.
>>2592434>thoughts??that banderites seeing the
international juden taking a firmer grip on them must be lovin' it.
>>2592531>They want their country back and they don't want to die. there are three lies in that sentence.
>>2592611But they get mansions in the West for it? The would-be Zelenskys would gladly take that deal.
>>2592680>insisting on rolling back NATO to 1997 bordersNot 1991 borders! CUCKED OUT! CUCKTIN CUCKED OUT!!!
>>2592321Hairline checks out
>>2592691Basically a retreat to poland, which is much more realistic.
>>2592335Bringing up revolutionary defeatism was done to unmask the “anti-campists” as being nothing more than pro-NATO liberals.
>>2592335Yep.
>The proletariat is hostile to every bourgeoisie and to all manifestations of the bourgeois system, but this hostility does not relieve it of the duty of distinguishing between the historically progressive and the reactionary representatives of the bourgeoisie. It is quite understandable, therefore,that the most consistent and staunch representatives of revolutionary international Social-Democracy, such as Jules Guesde in France and Hyndman in England, unequivocally expressed their sympathy with Japan, which is routing the Russian autocracy. Here in Russia, of course, some socialists were found to have muddled ideas on this question, too. Revolutsionnaya Rossiya[3] rebuked Guesde and Hyndman, saying that a socialist could only be in favour of a workers’ Japan, a people’s Japan, and not of a bourgeois Japan. This rebuke is as absurd as blaming a socialist for admitting the progressive nature of the free-trade bourgeoisie as compared with the protectionist bourgeoisie. Guesde and Hyndman did not defend the Japanese bourgeoisie or Japanese imperialism; they correctly noted in this conflict between two bourgeois countries the historically progressive role of one of them. The muddle-headedness of the “Socialists-Revolutionaries” was, of course, an inevitable result of the failure on the part of our radical intelligentsia to understand the class point of view and historical materialism. Neither could the new Iskra help showing muddled thinking. It had quite a lot to say at first about peace at any price. It then made haste to “correct itself”, when Jaurès showed plainly whose interests, those of the progressive or those of the reactionary bourgeoisie, would be served by a quasi-socialist campaign for peace in general. And now it has ended up with platitudes about the unreasonableness of “speculating” (?!) on a victory of the Japanese bourgeoisie and about war being a calamity “regard less of whether” it ends in the victory or the defeat of the autocracy. >>2592335>The most dangerous of all in this respect are those who do not wish to understand that the fight against imperialism is a sham and humbug unless it is inseparably bound up with the fight against opportunism.Le Lenin, Le Imperialism, Le Highest Stage of Le Capitalism
This is Le Interimperialist War, okay?
>>2592788In this capitalist epoch it is the ultroid bordiggers who are opportunists. They dont have the monopoly on calling their opponents muh opportunist
>>2592797>Bordigists>opportunistsNo, that's KKE. Ultras are worthless wankers that squeal every time the West eats shit.
>>2592825KKE are part of solidnet just like RKRP is.
>>2592867A lot of parties are in solidnet and many are very apposed to one another.
>>2593022
Jawuhl
>>2593268>8 minutesnot watchin that
>>2593268After this war is over, and Ukraine is soundly defeated, somebody needs to make a huge compilation of Ukraine's and West's gloating, taunting and victorious dances, to showcase the harm of copium overdose and fraudulent reporting
>>2592434Like 63% (as of 2024) of ukraine's agricultural land in use were bought out by western companies after raising the land sale moratorium under pressure from the IMF who were chosen the next credit-givers in place of Russia (who gave free money (paid tribute basically), in exchange for neutrality). Blackrock and Monsanto are two big buyers. So now the real owners of Ukraine come to the negotiation table
Ukraine is just Europes Qing dynasty. Actual real imperialism in Europe where almost the entire economy is owned by foreign powers.
so the eu has just stolen the frozen russian assets
>>2593344is that a real escalation or another nothingburger
>>2593268Mods, permaban anyone who says zigger, NOW!
>>2593316the true cola of the soviets was that clear coke that zhukov got in the 50s
>>2593344Based. Putin have to be forced to uncuck everytime.
>>2593344no source so I call bs
>>2593403
keep coping bitch
>>2593490
>"Surrounded"
Lol, this guy is in denial.
>>2593490
1st, it was Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad, 2nd, Zele is a known green screen enthusiast
>this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map games
Truly it is.
>>2593485
>he thinks slop state is an argumand
my sides
>>2593344not yet. what it really started is the following
>The Central Bank is initiating a fun little move that the European scoundrels have been eagerly anticipating for so long: a lawsuit has been filed in the Moscow Arbitration Court against Euroclear to recover damages caused by the inability to dispose of frozen assets.
>This formulation means that, most likely, Euroclear will first have to pay in full the interest, coupon, and other income derived from the Russian assets over the past period, some of which was handed over to the Ukrainians and some of which was embezzled in Europe. Lawsuits for the principal amount of the debt are still to come, and they will likely be based on the actions with the assets that the European scoundrels are starting to take right now. This may well include the initial moves to transition from the semi-annual extension of the freeze to an indefinite freeze.?According to the defendant's own admission, Euroclear's assets in Russia amount to around 16 billion euros, which suspiciously coincides in magnitude with the approximate amount of damages, i.e., stolen income over all these years. However, the coincidence could be accidental: when the decision is made and comes into effect (or is immediately enforceable), it can be enforced in friendly jurisdictions from Hong Kong to the Emirates, where the defendant has assets. And the day when the competent authorities of these friendly jurisdictions at least begin procedures for recognizing and enforcing our court's decision (there are many legal and political arguments in favor of their doing this impartially and in good faith) will shake the world just as much as February 24 did.:
>>2593670
Kursk status? :^)
>>2593670
Pokrovsk super-counter offensive status?
>>2593794
He wont. Russian proletariat will revolt.
Nafoids are the most deranged, bloodthirsty idealists since Hitler. Russia is just a capitalist country with a real military force
>>2593872Not sure the EU will exist five years from now
>>2593162
Another gift ffom nato
>>2593872How the US salvages what it can from defeat:
>wreck the EU economy>put it on a course for inevitable war between it and Russia>scalp its best, brightest, and wealthiest>instigate war between it and Russia so that its severely damaged if not destroyed entirely>EU is now no longer a viable competitor nor a useful component in the future Belt and Road>concentrate everything it looted in fortress America, including all the nazis it trained and armed >>2593975>selfie inside the cityReally?
>>2593588I don't get why the european bourgeoisie is sabre-rattling. Does revamping military industry generate money? I thought it would not be profitable. The fact they want to use frozen russian assets to buy military equipment shows how little they have.
>>2593975
>filename
hey anon can we see your power outlet real quick
>>2593984Sunk cost fallacy. They've invested into Ukraine too much to just let it go. Add to this real physical demilitarization of Europe thanks to Ukraine vacuuming up everything they could to throw at Russia, and no money in sight to replenish military stockpiles, and they are in real deep shit
>>2593988Well Europe will never "fight" Russia. This much is obvious, they're not stupid they know they can't fight open war with them so they're just going down the illegal route of selling seized assets. Belgium is hesitant to actually do it because it knows Russia will play that card when it wins.
>>2593991Seizing assets is dumb because those assets are already European property with Russian capital investments. What they want is Russian reparations
>>2593991Have you seen a single news article about Europeans not being deranged and delusional since 2022?
>>2593975
>honey! time for your daily nafo cope!
>>2593984>Does revamping military industry generate moneyit allows a massive transfer of public wealth towards arm industry porkies, which are always closely intertwined with the political scene and give kickbacks, so yeah, it generates money for some people. The proles get poorer and loose social services though.
>>2594037They're deranged but it's just a show. They're are obviously people whispering in ears advising a logical strategy to keep the economy alive.
>>2594047>They're are obviously people whispering in ears advising a logical strategy to keep the economy alive.And no one listens to them
>>2594117
russians are valid, transphobe.
>>2594117
Russia invades Ukraine to feminize it's Nazis
>>2594117
>Indian
Is it because they all want to fuck their Indian slaves or something?
>mongolia is japanese
Xi, liberate these deviationists
>>2594130probably yes. It also make the plot more believable I guess
>>2594140
can I see your power outlet?
>>2594130The only people searching porn there are indians
>>2593975
Ukeaine will win with media stunts, for sure.
How long until the war escalates and swallows up Europe?
I don't want to go to work tomorrow
>>2593268This is from the 2023 new year btw
Reznikov fled to the USA the next year lol
>le bordiba
>china bad
>whatever the fuck naziposter is
i am starting to miss grillpilled schizo
>>2593984It's not "profitable" but it will divert money from public programs into private hands. Essentially the euro bourgeois are looting their states before abandoning ship.
>>2594206
does EU's ukraine money come from thin air or something
>>2593991>Well Europe will never "fight" Russia.They're already fighting Russia and losing. Here are the facts:
1. Europe has a lot of high tech industries that need cheap resources
2. Europe has none of the cheap resources that they need for their industries
Without their colonial empires Europe doesn't have the materials or manpower to compete economically. We can see the evidence of this from the economic fallout from them sanctioning Russia, and the fact that even though they're calling Putin Super Satan Hitlerstalin, they're continuing to buy gas from him.
So with this war ending, Europe will do one of two things. It will either
A) Normalize relations with Europe and futher integrate with Russia to secure supplies of cheap resources
B) Not do that and either disintegrate or risk war because the alternative is worse
Option A means capitulation to Russia, because they need Russian gas more than Russia needs anything from Europe. Option B means likely capitulation to Russia, but maybe not because war has a way of sometimes making unlikely or impossible things happen.
My money is on the Ukraine War not ending even if Russia drives all the way to Lvov. Kiev will announce a government in exile and nato will use various schemes to continue the war by other means. It seems like they're already testing the waters, seizing ships, expanding the sanctions war, seizing assets. For the bourgeoisie they're already in a struggle for survival, and they're not going to just surrender.
>>2594206
Not an argument
>>2594212
Why would I be? Russia is making you miserable and I get to see you cry about it every day. My life is great.
>>2594220
See? I love this shit. The mental anguish of posters like this is palpable. Every time they go off ranting about ziggers or cucktin or refineries or whatever is like a kiss from a beautful woman.
mods are le heckin epic
>>2594220
Isn't that the section of the front that evacuated corpses and wounded by the trainload?
>In military conflicts that the US is involved in, questioning the official narrative at the outset will result in marginalization or disqualification. One can only remain "respectable" in establishment circles if you defer your dissent until long after the damage is done.
>In the Ukraine proxy war, those who argued that there were reasonable diplomatic options that could have prevented, and then quickly ended, the Russian invasion were dismissed as Kremlin apologists.
>Now, hundreds of thousands of deaths later, senior Biden official Amanda Sloat admits that Ukraine declaring neutrality before the invasion, or accepting the April 2022 Istanbul peace deal just weeks after, "would have prevented the destruction and the loss of life."
>Proxy war cheerleaders, including on the left, might want to reflect on why they shunned those of us who wanted to prevent the destruction and the loss of life:
>Kiev is ready to hold an election, but only if a series of conditions are met, including Western funding of the vote, Mikhail Podoliak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky, has said.
<Can't even hold elections without GIVAS
Failed state status?
>>2594389>another condition is the US has to agree to fight a war with Russia on Ukraine's behalf (security guarantees)don't expect any election until the war's over and the regime is defeated/removed
>>2592790This is a war of National Liberation, Anti-Fascism, Denazification, and Anti-Imperalism.
>>2593573MSC is reporting it as well. He says that Russians are possibly isolated on the western side of the river. It's not impossible Ukraine mustered enough resources to carry out a limited counter offensive, but why they would do it in Kupiansk of all places is really puzzling.
In any event, it doesn't really matter. They're losing ground everywhere else that matters, and it's not like even if they did manage to throw Ivan out of Kupiansk it's going to be more than a speedbump for the inevitable.
>>2594220
>transwinning
nafo polyps really cant stop thinking about transgender people
>>2594571That just makes it worse, because Russia isn't losing, so there is no "revenge", and it makes no sense.
>>2594589They bottle their rage up, given all those weeks and months of frustration, and then they blow up at the slightest hint of an Ukrainian victory anywhere. It's kind of like utterly religious Christians act with their crap - give them one chance to feel like they were right, and you'll be subjected to unending stream of "told you so" and mocking and gloating
>>2594483Next Ukrop Stalingrad identified.
>>2594220
He films in front of every city that is getting pushed. Zero evidence this wasn't from weeks ago.
>>2594618I think it's more like a video game match, when you're stomping a salty baddie. Hit them with one ?, and they just focus you relentlessly, and spam ??? when they kill you. Even if it's just once. Then when it's become obvious that they will lose, they start seething at teammates in all chat.
>>2594858
there is no gore in my video, retard
>>2594860Dont worry you can still enjoy this one.
>>2594858This post 👉
>>2594856 doesn't show gore, jackass.
You will be reported. I won't even click the spoiler.
>>2594483>It turns out that Kupiansk wasn't retaken and Zelensky was hundreds of meters away from RuzziansOH NO HAHAHAHAHA
>>2594870Heroes, all of them. 🫡🇰🇵
>Kup'yans'k
bro thinks he's a protoss or something
>>2594884
>How many nazis will die for the ruined city for defying the Tsar's imperial decree?
I read that its about thousand casualties in a week but more meat is brought in and they just walk over the previous corpses to be turned into a corpse too. Either suicide on front and get money or get tortured and shot by friendlies and family doesnt get money.
>Zelensky records a video in front of a sign naming a city that has fallen, that by its nature must be outside of said city
What's the big scandal here? Ukraine does this every time when their control of a city is reduced to a single apartment block that they refuse to surrender on the outskirts and the propagandists encourages everyone on Xitter to chant "<City Here> HODLS!".
NAFOids routinely coming here to oblige the Ukrainian propaganda department and let us know they're taking the assertion exactly as it was desired, achieves nothing but to once again confirm they're not operating on original thoughts and critical thinking here. They don't like Russia, Ukraine is fighting Russia with NATO support, they therefore defer all brain activity to organisations that are their best hope for the disappearance of Russia.
>>2594893More than this, they've tried to do this in Pokrovsk, sending two helis worth of special forces to their deaths for a propaganda video
>>2594893Same theatre since Artemovsk (Bakhmut) with every contested city until it inevitably remains under Russian control, even after temporary setbacks.
>>2594893There does seem to be some kind of counteroffensyiv in Kupyansk. Not sure how effective it is.
The real issue is that Zelensky is doing a media offensyiv against a city solely because it was mentioned by Putin while losing ground in Mirnograd, Guliaypole and multiple other directions.
>>2594895They're certainly being more daring to make the assertion that <soon to be tactically irrelevant village> HOLDS these days, but that's probably because Ukraine is seemingly losing cities quickly enough that they can no longer start the HODLing chants until they're already almost pushed out, compared to say Bakhmut where they started chanting about HODLing a good few months before the inevitable.
If Zelensky was genuinely at the sign yesterday, then that seems even riskier than Pokrovsk's Call of Duty larp attempt. But I suspect, not so risky in that Moscow (whom Kiev almost certainly notified of a photo op) was likely to kill Zelensky, but perhaps forces within Ukraine are growing tired of his faltering ability to negotiate
givas from the west and act as an inspiring leader for the fodder.
If being driven to the outskirts of Kupiansk where being shot by a
disgruntled soldier Russian assassin and left in a ditch somewhere is now an acceptable risk, what are the risks for Zelensky just remaining in the Zelensky bunker to denounce the importance of the recently lost city on social media as usual?
>>2594901Did they counter attack specific positions just because Cucktin mentioned them by name in the past? If so, it's really crazy how obsessive the West is over obtics.
>>2594901I doubt it has been effective, if even existent.
If they could record Ukrainian soldiers on a street corner within the city itself, they'd have definitely shown that instead of sign telling you what the city you can see on the horizon is.
>>2594902Yeah Russia absolutely don't want to kill him as it would be a diplomatic disater. The biggest problem of those frontline tourism operations is that Zelensky can be nuked by a random mine or by a random drone operator (from both sides): from a Ukrainian POV those media operations are a big win anyway as they show Zelensky as a strong man, that Ukraine is not yet lost and if Zelensky die or something explode near him Ukraine can cry for more givas for some years
>>2594918Good point, I think the other reason why Russia are unlikely to kill Zelensky themselves is that while he lives there is a better chance of an internal coup in Kiev that may not resolve itself before stability is lost, if it ever is resolved.
Killing Zelensky would mean leadership falls to whomever his second-in-command is on that particular day and they would be the leader by that more or less legitimate ruling, rather than because he or she personally took power by force rather than by collective decision, which would provide the kind of infighting we’re looking for.
>>2594905North Korea is more honest about its losses than the Ukrop state. Quite telling.
>>2594933Just report these posts. Don't feed the raiders
>>2594904Westoids are insanely obsessed with optics however at the Kupyansk front the AFU's chances to distract from major losses, score a minor success and possibly force enemy forces to relocate were least likely to fail given the tactical situation with RUAF controlling a big blob between a small river and AFU forces on three sides around it.
>>2594921Isn't Zelenskyy's approval quite low among Ukronazis nowadays? I think they would be happy about his demise.
I know that decapitation strikes against Ukronazi leadership, which are just Western compradors would guarantee a lot more instability within their forces than waiting and hoping that they are stupid enough to start infighting amongst themselves while thousands of men continue to senselessly die at the front.
The Ukronazis would lose all their coherence if Zelensky, Budanov and all the other Nazi scumbags are liquidated in one fell swoop. It would likely lead to a collapse at last.
However, Cucktin is too afraid of optics, not understanding that everything will be spinned against him regardless of how he acts. He lets Zelensky live, he is a weakling and UKKKraine stronk. He kills him, he is the eeevul anti-Semite nazi.
Strategically, this restraint against people who have actively orchestrated numerous terror attacks on Russian soil and now tankers, is beyond suicidal. Decapitate the Nazis in Kiev, face the minimal backlash, and win. NATO won't invade because Zelenskyy is dead. They're more likely to invade by showing such weakness by not killing that nazi terrorist along with his accomplices.
>>2594944Literally do the decapitation, wait a moment to confirm if the targets were neutralised, and then make a public announcement listing all the examples of how Ukronazis violated ceasefires, violated agreements and committed warcrimes as the reason, why the operation was conducted. Ergo, you can't negotiate with people who don't adhere to any diplomatic solutions, and it would be the truth in Ukkkraine's example. Most non-Westoid countries would show understanding and not diplomatically punish Russia for that. Done.
I'm guessing the increase in nafo posting is related to their attempt to project an image of strength for the negotiations
sadly for them this image only work in the mind of the obsessed nafotard, as everyone else here recognize ukraine is still loosing and its cities keep falling
but I guess the media frontline hold, who cares about reality
>>2594955it's literally one guy who is either an actual hohol, baltoid or a russian lib judging from hoholisms like "donbabwe"
mods are doing a standup job btw
It’s definitely claims that Putin or a random General has been caught lying about a victory that get the NAFOids most excited. I’m not sure whether that’s because they can extrapolate from that claim that every victory has been a lie and Kiev has been telling them the truth after all, or if they’re so frequently humiliated by Kiev’s lies that any hint that “ziggers” fall for the same lies would make them feel much, much better.
>>2594968not much peremoga to go by these days, gotta make the best of the hand they're dealt
>>2594953
I don’t understand the relevancy that Gazprom buying stakes in a manufacturer of Russian Rolls-Royces would have on the conflict in Ukraine or even as a broader conflict between East and West.
>>2594959
>komsomolsk
Russia doesn't recognize Ukraine renaming cities
>>2594973Putin probably got Komsomolsk and Krasnoarmeysk mixed up. Komsomolsk exists but it's pretty far away from the front line
Zelensky reaching Kupiyansk before journos on Putins invitation is one of the biggest top kek moment of this war.
>>2594988Putin was asking journos to Krasnoarmeysk/Pokrovsk, though
>>2594856I don't understand. why are they so calm? and did the drone just fell and detonated?
>>2594933nafoids ITT mald at anything.
The mere existence of Russia makes their lives miserable.
>If you can't win with gore, try child porn instead-Zelen Tsu
>>2595032Considering how he sieg heiled the drone, he probably thought it was one of theirs. Might have come from an unexpected direction
>and did the drone just fell and detonated?The operator maneuvered it so it falls and hits the detonator
nafo has devolved to posting cp lmao
>>2595037well, I guess in the world where everything is possible, it's possible some siegheiling dumb nazis can be calm because they are confused and believe it was one of their drones.
>>2595058>The Soviets hunted traitors until its fallGigabased
Still, there wasn't enough
RED TERROR! The most important lesson of 20th century socialism
>>2594901>There does seem to be some kind of counteroffensyiv in Kupyansk. Not sure how effective it is.It seems like it was "effective" in that it managed to capture Russia's bridgehead over the river, at least for now. If temporarily achieving a propaganda victory was their goal then mission accomplished.
The way we've seen fighting described, even in cities you've got heavily dispersed forces because any concentration of five or more people is just a magnet for drones and artillery. Between that and the river acting as a barrier, it's possible that Ukraine was able to mass a large enough force to overwhelm the enemy and score a tactical victory.
The problem though is that even if they manage to cut off and destroy the remaining Russians, it doesn't get them anywhere. The mass of men and equipment they needed for this is just a bunch of targets now, and the Russians on the other side of the river are eventually going to cross again once this force is either attrited or sent elsewhere to put out another fire. Meanwhile, Pokrovsk is toast and there are hundreds or even thousands of soldiers trapped in Myrnograd, so what morale bump can this sort of thing really amount to?
>>2595058do we know who did the deed? as in it was a hit squad not stormfags shooting each other
Belarus has freed 123 prisoners, including prominent opposition activist Maria Kolesnikova, after the US agreed to lift sanctions on the country.
Nobel Peace Prize winner Ales Bialiatski is also among those who have been released following talks in Minsk with US President Donald Trump's special envoy for Belarus, John Coale.
The US has agreed to lift sanctions on potash, a key ingredient in fertiliser and an important export for Belarus, which is a close ally of Russia.
Coale said: "As relations between the two countries normalise, more and more sanctions will be lifted."
Belarus' president, Alexander Lukashenko, is not recognised as president by the EU.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gpwlkklyxoThoughts
>>2595058Finally, some good news. Who got him?
>>2595295good diplomacy by luka, lifting sanctions is worth freeing a few traitors as long as you keep a close eye on them
>>2595295>the US agreed to lift sanctions on the country<Belaruskali (Belarusian: Беларуськалій, Russian: Беларуськалий) is one of the largest state-owned companies of Belarus. It is one of the largest producers of potash fertilizers in the world, accounting for 20% global supply as of 2019.big W for the Belarusian economy
Finally, actual justice for the Ukrainian trade unionists. Thank fuck. But the justice isn't complete until they're reinstated.
>>2595370< President Leonid Leonidovich Troevidov took great care of his health. He went skiing in the mountains, played night hockey, dove for amphorae, fished in taiga rivers, and practiced rhythmic gymnastics. True, in a special manner—though still according to the Olympic program. Once a month he rejuvenated himself by completely replacing his blood. The transfusion was done according to a Chinese method shared with Leonid Leonidovich by the Chairman of the Communist Party of China. From Beijing, the Chairman would send him a marvelous porcelain vase filled with pink leeches. They were raised in the azure ponds of the Summer Imperial Palace. These leeches were fed the blood of Chinese virgins.
< Upon receiving the gift from Beijing, Leonid Leonidovich would lock himself away, fill a bathtub with warm, lavender-scented water, and lower his naked body into it. From the porcelain vase decorated with a golden dragon, he would release the pink leeches into the bath. The leeches instantly clung to his body from head to toe. They would attach themselves to him, drink his tired blood, and infuse him with the blood of Chinese virgins. The bites of the pink leeches were tender, like kisses. They lulled him. Leonid Leonidovich would blissfully fall asleep in the warm water, saturated with virginal purity and freshness.
< It was in these wondrous moments of sleep that Svetoch crept up to him. In his hands he held a black, rusty jug filled with rotten water from the malarial swamps of the Limpopo. In the jug writhed black, fat leeches swollen with the blood of dead crocodiles. These leeches had sharp teeth with which they pierced crocodile armor.
< The Torchbearer peeled the pink leeches off the sleeping Leonid Leonidovich and tossed them onto the floor. He poured the swamp water with the fat Limpopo leeches into the bath. They sank their sharpened teeth into Leonid Leonidovich, injecting the blood of dead crocodiles. Leonid Leonidovich screamed in pain and called for help. The leeches gnawed at him, pumping crocodile blood into him.
< Leonid Leonidovich began to grow a scaly tail, his head stretched forward, and a jaw full of terrifying teeth opened within it. The Torchbearer folded his arms over his chest and watched with a smile at the monstrous transformation, until in place of Leonid Leonidovich there lay a dead, grinning crocodile in the bathtub.
< The crocodile’s corpse, along with the Limpopo leeches, was burned in a crematorium. Before the people, in place of the deceased Leonid Leonidovich, appeared a double—an exact replica of him, but bearing the appearance of Emperor Alexander I.
<Thus occurred the monstrous substitution.Gonna have to get a copy of this.
>>2595413Hey, thanks buddy.
>>2595413>Russian Reconquista🤔
>>2595430>I've been three days here, no water, some snacks, I have a broken leg because of an explosion (…) my team mates abandoned me, three of us fell, ukrainians go by but dont offer any helptoo lazy to do the rest but you get the gist of it
>>2595430Why is it always Colombians? What's going on over there?
>>2595472Isn't it the most pro-american country in Latin America? It's always US, Israel, Ukraine and Colombia in those UN votes. Lots of cartel activity too.
independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year's five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow's military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law.
The report commissioned by the European Union said both sides had broken international humanitarian laws and found evidence of ethnic cleansing against ethnic Georgians during Russia's intervention in the rebel province of South Ossetia.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/georgia-started-war-with-russia-eu-backed-report-idUSTRE58T4MO/>>2595472In the latest Simplicius some telegram channel mentions 200 Brazilian mercs participating in the Kupiansk offensive
>>2595492>2009Oh, I was confused for a second, but thanks for the link
>>2595472School of the Americas or whatever they call it now has basically filled their military with yankee cucks.
>>2595492Btw, Saakashvili's story is fucking insane.
>fled to Europe in 2013 before his presidential term was out, then the US to give lectures at Tufts University>went back to Georgia only to face corruption charges>fled to Ukraine>was very involved in the Maidan, there are sources alleging he was behind the snipers shooting the crowd that led to the terminal phase of the Maidan>becomes a high-ranked Ukrainian functionary after the Maidan, the "reforms minister" and chairman of the Odessa city council, eventually makes his own party>gets in conflict with several post-Maidan Ukrainian politicians for being too populist and extreme>gets deported from Ukraine like three times, goes back and forth between it and Poland, even tries to make his own Maidan 2.0 against the Ukrainian government once>in 2018 announces himself as a candidate for President of Ukraine…from Amsterdam>almost gets appointed as the vice-premier by Zelensky but due to diplomatic protests from Georgia only becomes the "reform minister" again>returns to Georgia 2021 and is immediately arrested and gets a lengthy sentence for corruption and abuse of powers>today begs Zelensky to vouch for his release while rotting in Georgian jail and wearing an "I'm Ukrainian" shirtone reason I don't want Zelensky to be killed is because I want his future arc to look like this
>>2595529It would be kind of nice to see him rotting in some Siberian work camp.
>>2595430It's been well-known for years now that Ukronazis use Colombian mercs as cannonfodder. Yet, these morons still flock to Cuckraine regardless.
>>2595472A lot of men in Colombia join the army as a way to escape poverty and once they retire or get demobilized there's not a lot of job options for them, other than security guard. So it's not surprise that these guys get lured by a paycheck in dollars and go to Ukraine or Sudan.
>>2595564Who pays their flight to the other side of the planet?
>>2595568For Sudan, the UAE
For ukraine, not sure, I've read cases where they get loans to pay for the flights and cases where there's a "sponsor" in ukraine who pays to bring them.
>>2595616condiment hummus for being home of phobic type shi
>>2595430>Can anyone translate what he's saying?Verbatim:
>bueno tengo tres días aca, sin agua, sin nada por aquí, un poquito de caramelos, barras energéticas. Tengo esta pierna partida, por una onda explosiva. EN la otra tengo una esquirla en el dedo en del pie. He estado sobreviviendo acá en una maleza aquí, pero ya debo de salir pero no puedo caminar. El compañero que murió. Bombardeos, todos los días, toda hora. Mis compañeros me abandonaron. Caímos tres. Y pasa(nos? unintelligeble. must be "pasan") los ucranianos, pero no, no me prestan ayuda. Pedí ayuda y me cortaron el radio. Hay un aviso rojo, vea: Радиостанц заблок (In Ukrainian: "The radio station is blocked"). No me puedo comunicar. Cortado sin comunicación. Me cortaron el radio. No sé con qué fin. Y, no sé, no sé, no sé qué hacer para poder salir de acá. Hoy es el tercer día, desde que caí, esa es la fecha (14:14 hour - 16/07 - 16/10). Dos de la tarde del 16. Entonces, quiero salir. Los compañeros no pudieron avanzar, se devolvieron. Nos dejaron acá botados, no nos prestaron ayuda, siendo compañeros colombianos, el "carva siete" (call sign?). Esto es una denuncia pública lo que voy hacer. El "gordo cicero" (another call sign?) y con "nixon" (another call sign?), que era el guía, nos vieron que caímos y se fueron no nos prestaron ayuda ni nada. Rayos tengo sostenida la mano los dos torniquetes, pero los compañeros sólo tenían un torniquete y se desangraron y se murieron. Entonces la denuncia pública porque "nixon" y "cícero" nos dejaron abandonados.Because I am a bit lazy today, machine translation:
well i have three days here, without water, without anything around here, a little bit of candies, energy bars. i have this leg broken, by an explosive wave. IN the other i have a splinter in the finger in del foot. i have been surviving here in a bush here, but now i must get out but i cannot walk. the compañero who died (shows dead 'friend'). bombings, every day, every hour. my companions abandoned me. we fell three. and pasa(nos? unintelligible. must be 'pasan') the ucranianos, but no, they do not give me help. i asked for help and they cut my radio. there is a red notice, see: Радиостанц заблок (In Ukrainian: "The radio station is blocked"). i cannot communicate. cut off without communication. they cut my radio. i don't know for what purpose. and, i don't know, i don't know, i don't know what to do to be able to get out of here. today is the third day, since i fell, that is the date (in the video 14:14 hour - 16/07 - 16/10). two in the afternoon of the 16. so, i want to leave. the companions could not advance, they turned back. they left us here abandoned, they did not give us help, being Colombian companions, the "carva siete" (call sign?). this is a public complaint what i will do. the "gordo cicero" (another call sign?) and with "nixon" (another call sign?), who was the guide, saw that we fell and they left they did not give us help or anything. damn i have held in my hand the two tourniquets, but the companions (the other two dead in the video) only had one tourniquet and they bled out and they died. so the public complaint because "nixon" and "cícero" left us abandoned.
almost feel bad for the guy
>>2595370>What did he want?he was very public about it.
literally
GIVAS, but from the merc side.
>Why did he stop? he didn't stop, he was stopped. and forced to sit.
I have a theory:
He probably had a deal with the Russian government to run some operation in Artyomovsk. However, on the ground, they planned to do more, they aimed to capture the city of Artymovsk, something beyond of what was agreed upon the contract, because he wanted more money, but the Russian government didn't give what he asked, and he started to run his public stunt demanding more, etc.
once the private merc organization
Wagner achieved the unagreed plan, he ran his march towards Moscow demanding the resignation of someone who was probably overseeing the funding for the Wagner group.
>>2595413>>2595395I wouldn't take for granted fiction books. Specially from someone like alexander prokhanov.
>>2595472only Colombians?
>>2595685don't be. shake some maracas and move on.
>>2595700>I wouldn't take for granted fiction books. Specially from someone like alexander prokhanov.It just seems wild.
>>2595672>i asked for help and they cut my radio.Do you think reactionaries realize that their
enemies empathize with them more than any of their fellow reactionaries? Or do you think they will launch into a tirade about how empathy is a weakness?
>>2595724Probably the latter
>>2595716Shut up ruZZian, Zelensky (pbuh) can make trees flourish around him and restore buildings just by his will.
>>2595672>machine translationsovlless
>>2595737well, the verbatim is human-made.
>>2595385>Belarusian: Беларуськалійbeloruskis must get rid of this ukraiiiniiiazatiiion
>>2595484Trump struck a deal, send Colombians to Ukraine and the US will wipe out Venezuelan shipments to ensure only Colombian cocainum will reach Miami.
>>2595744>Ukrainian marine 2018-2022Interesting spin on "barely fought, got caught, went home distraught".
An Estonian court has handed lengthy prison sentences to the leaders of an anti-NATO party convicted of working on behalf of Russia to undermine national security.
On Thursday, the Harju District Court sentenced Aivo Peterson, co-founder of the small conservative Koos party, to 14 years in prison for treason. His associates, Dmitri Rootsi and Andrei Andronov, received sentences of 11 years and 11 years and six months, respectively. All three denied any wrongdoing and said they would appeal the verdict.
Prosecutors alleged that the defendants spread “narratives supporting Russia’s foreign and security policy” intended to undermine public trust in NATO and Estonia’s military aid to Ukraine.
“The defendants deliberately assisted Russia in activities directed against the Estonian state and society,” State Prosecutor Triinu Olev-Aas said.
Founded in 2022, Koos calls for Estonia to leave NATO, become a neutral state, remove foreign troops from its territory, and “refrain from participating directly or indirectly in military conflicts between other countries.”
>1 million Ukrainians are without power after last nights strikes
>>2596248Not thrilled about it tbh, it was one of the interesting facets of this conflict on how surgical Russian strikes had been with little intentional-therefore-actual effect towards civilians. That being said, Ukraine wanted to open a front against energy infrastructure and that eventually had to be reciprocated but of course, that won’t be considered in retrospect.
>>2596248The sooner they strike for new elections the sooner they'll have electricity back.
>>2596337Trying to expect reasonable thinking from hohols is a fool's errand.
>>2596381what did Gunther mean by this
is he going to make the ultraliberal EU empire real
Fehlinger? I hardly know her
>>2594944>>2594947Decapitation is not Putin's style. He likes the slow-burn legal revenge like some kind of Nuremberg trial. But if for some reason the decision has been placed into the hands of the GenStaff, they might be willing to use any American decapitation against Maduro as "optics" cover for settling their own score against Zelensky. That could in fact be reason for the hold-up with the Americans against Maduro. I've also been extra cynical about this NABU corruption thing lately - at first I thought it was going to take out Zelensky, but now it's looking like some carefully calibrated stunt to give the impression that Zelensky is vulnerable and doesn't need to be eliminated.
>>2596448Putin is old-school KGB. Report, counter-report, arrest, review of the initial charge, discussion among the troika, all the while you're shitting your pants and going to sleep every night not knowing if you will see the sun his again.
Decapitation is animalistic outburst, preferred by Nazis. Putin likes to soak you in despair, turn every passing second into icy torture.
>>2596381anyone good with creating memes, please please please give us a Guntherjak
>>2596449Yeah, that's more his style. I think he wants an eventual grand trial where the atrocity propaganda like Bucha is dissected, etc.
>>2596381>A EU with a heart of Iron 5.0>A EU that lets your fire risewho let him make hearts of iron references
>>2596448to me nabu is simply a pressure to change the mobilization laws, to include people below 25 years. also, to take back the youngers that left ukraine.
>>2596248they promised a dark Moscow, and they got this.
>>2596506Jesus a completely dark city is really scary
>>2596480HA! Obviously AI, you can tell because irl The Beatles were actually Back in the USSR
>>2596509>>2596506Perhaps I'm being pessimistic, but aren't those two daytime pictures with just a really dark filter placed over them?
>>2596514>but aren't those two daytime pictures with just a really dark filter placed over them?First picture source:
https://www.ukrinform.ua/amp/rubric-regions/4045754-livij-bereg-kieva-bez-svitla-klicko.html?utm_medium=organicAnswer: No.
Second picture source:
https://www.threads.com/@code.of.menestrels/post/DSL8P23iLhQthough it doesn't say it's AI or it was a daytime picture to then changed into a night time picture.
Answer: Maybe, maybe not. If not, it was 100% enhanced to sharpen to some colors and lights.
>>2595484>>2595472Idk for certain but I'd also imagine that a narco-state like Columbia would have plenty of experienced cartel enforcers who could easily be persuaded to fight a war for the right price. These are guys who kill and terrorize people for a living anyways.
>>2596529top lawl. even if they hadn't an UPS or a fossil fuel power generator to power the sign (and the place), they'd be charging it themselves with bike generators or similar.
by law, McDonald workers are exempt of mobilization (similar to other western franchises) and they wouldn't risk to lose their jobs and get mobilized to the front.
>>2596529Okay I'm convinced, I really doubt they'd photoshop the Golden Arches to be lit but I'm absolutely certain they'd run a generator to keep McDonalds to be open.
>>2596506>>2596527>>2596529we did it reddit, we made revachol a real place
>>2596506Posting this whenever a Ukrop nationalist makes fun of North Korea
>>2596527Yeah, the way she's holding up her sword and shield now looks like surrender somehow lol
>>2596034I love democracy
>>2596737Will the Chinese intervene where Dump has failed?
>>2596506Odessa without power looks better for the esoteric larp aesthetic that Ukros dig. ngl, this aesthetic is the one thing I prefer about Ukros over the unironic Christcuck aesthetic that guides the Kremlin boomers. What saves Russia in my mind is Russian witch house, which is the best in the world.
>>2596792but this is what modern nazism actually is
>>2596792and people mock soviet LARP
>>2596813Soviet is a political ideal. Decepticons and Spyros are products.
>>2596815Unfortunately most of the Soviet LARPers in Russia don't actually believe in that ideal. It's just about 'we wuz stronk, we beat Nazis.'
>>2596818Well yeah, but thats just ideological post-soviet confusion. It's like what happened with Yugoslavia.
>>2596818>they aren't true believers!Shut your Christcuck mouth.
>>2596792Every esoteric community has its scale of cringe, brother. The neophytes are terrible at hiding the cringe, but the adepts learn how to tone it down…while still being cringey.
I forgot the other thing that saves Russia from Christcuck cheek-turning prudes, albeit with some Ukro blood.
>>2596825social chauvinists are not communists
>>2596825Huh? I'm saying it's just an aesthetic to them and a nod to past glory. That's why they would even mix Tsarist LARP with Soviet LARP. They are both the same thing to them.
>>2596844Let the neolib cook.
He's right in a perverted sense. Obviously he's referring to American relations but deep down he knows American economic and political influence is dying. The apex point of American imperialism is dead.
>>2596837Killing Nazis while wearing Soviet paraphernalia puts them above every single ""ultra"" on here.
>>2596822From my personal experience, the confusion is becoming a boomer thing and a thing of the past. Nowadays the nationalists are anti-communist and worship the Tsar who would have totally made Russia a superpower twenty years before the Soviets, while those who wear Soviet memorabilia are at least somewhat aware of communism's social mission. And for what it's worth, the latter is considerably more popular. Recently I saw a post from some conservacuck telegram "mil-journo" who visited a Donetsk military store and kvetched about how it was all Lenin and Stalin and Victory Banners with no tsars or whitoids in sight.
>>2596829Man, Poklonskaya's ideological evolution is a sight to behold.
>>2596822>ideological post-soviet confusionJust say nationalism dawg
>>2596847Killing Donbass communists too! Praise the little green men!
>>2596850It's a weird sort of nationalism. A bizarre one. Social Revanchist
>>2596848Admittedly I'm kinda Hollywood brained. I like the Christian demonology and exorcism aesthetics (Orthodox and old Catholic exorcism aesthetics, not a bunch of Ameriburger prots with tucked-in shirts, cowboy belts, and drawls lmao). I also don't mind the medieval monastic aesthetic a la The Name of the Rose.
>>2596852you do know ukronazis have admitted to be the ones killing donbass communists leaders?
>>2596448Nonesense. Maduro has been placed on the US crossairs again a few months ago. Meanwhile decapitation should have been done YEARS ago, when it became clear that one can't negotiate with those Nazis in Kiev. I guarentee you, the Russians aren't waiting for a good time to do it, when nobody is looking. They're afraid to anger their "respectable partners" in the West.
You're sniffing hopium.
>I've also been extra cynical about this NABU corruption thing lately - at first I thought it was going to take out Zelensky, but now it's looking like some carefully calibrated stunt to give the impression that Zelensky is vulnerable and doesn't need to be eliminated.No fucking shit, Sherlock! It's not like this kind of "Zelensky is in trouble now" theatre hasn't happened half a dozen times now throughout this war. /s But you dumbasses keep forgetting. Even mayflies have longer memories than you.
>>2596449>Decapitation is animalistic outburst, preferred by Nazis. Putin likes to soak you in despair, turn every passing second into icy torture.In the meantime, Russian men are killed and maimed daily, not to mention the material losses. Men and materiell that will be missing in case NATO gets directly involved. Not destroying your enemies, who want you dead mind you, is not some epic own, it's idiotic and suicidal, nothing else!
>>2596852That was Ukrainian secret services. Every one. They admitted it years ago.
>>2597065In other words, the CIA's tentacles at work
>>2595898
I would like to subscribe to your substack
>>2597069Indirectly because I don’t think the CIA would care about most of those people the Ukrops seethe about. It’s like the op to kill Dugin that got his daughter. The CIA nerds would never sanction an op on someone so peripheral to power, just because it is a waste of resources.
>>2597036>Russian men are killed and maimed dailyKilling Zelensky would change nothing on that front.
>>2597036Rybar did a small article today about why Russia was unable to nuke every radar, ammo depot and logistic route at the beginning of the war while Israel and the US had an easy time murder Iranian AA: that day, Russia had fewer operating planes than Israel when it attacked Iran, and Soviet AA absolutely destroyed the few Russian planes that failed to oversaturate the skies
>>2594988Zelensky filmed that photo op weeks ago. Amazing how stupid you guys still are.
>>2597089Most of the Zionist aerial attacks on Iran were done with long range missiles and stealth drones. Russia waited until 2023 to begin fielding a JDAM-ER knock off.
>>2597036>You're sniffing hopium.You're needlessly hostile. I've probably called for more Zelensky (and Budanov, etc.) decaps in this general than anyone, but the reality is that it's ultimately not Putin's style and won't be happening unless the decision has been delegated to the GenStaff. Part of it is because he's a legal autist, part of it is because of the optics problem among the infamous Western partners but also friendlies like China, and probably the largest part is that he's afraid that Kremlin officials will be targeted in return (he apparently doesn't care about the attempt on Shoigu recently or whatever happened during his own helicopter incident in Kursk that time).
>Not destroying your enemies, who want you dead mind you, is not some epic own, it's idiotic and suicidal, nothing else!nta, but eliminating Zelensky isn't guaranteed to wind down the war. There are three scenarios in which decap strikes are effective: 1) when the leader has some skill set that is hard to replace (not the case - Zelensky's executive role is begging for money and weapons, and there are tons of people who can do that and be more effective at it), 2) when the leader has a unique ideology (not the case - Ukraine is driven by Russophobia and Bandera ideoloy, so plenty of easy replacements), 3) when the leader serves some symbolic/cult role inextricably tied to the morale of the enemy such that his removal would be devastating for the war effort. It's the third one that we're forced to depend on, which seems to me like a plausible enough play in this war because of the disproportionate amount of effort Ukraine directs toward pointless PR victories and information management, but
it's not guaranteed to work, and you, I, anyone else would be lying to suggest a guarantee.
>>2597089>Rybar did a small article today about why Russia was unable toHaven't seen it, but 'was unable to' must be some kind of cope for 'was unwilling to' to save Rybar from the emotional horrors of Kremlin boomerism. Pretty surprising coming from Rybar, who whined for years that decision-making was behind 750kV infra being left alone.
>>2597089>Israel and the US had an easy time murder Iranian AA:Except they didn't. Israel wasn't able to operate in Iranian airspace at all and the US was explicitly allowed only as a negotiated means of bringing the conflict to a close.
>>2597244>the US was explicitly allowed only as a negotiated means of bringing the conflict to a close.huh?
>>2597241I know about that, but the SBU etc are wind up toy soldiers. Langley isn’t sending them orders to assassinate communist mayors.
>>2597264yes the toy soldier proceeds on its own action the operator does not control his hands after spinning him up
>>2597276Too bad. Fighting and winning a war isn't about justice. And communism isn't about righting any kind of historical wrong.
I wasn't kidding about the Book of Grudges.
>>2597282Eh, I've seen this clinical amorality from you before that strips communism of a moral dimension, and it still seems you're over-correcting for sentimental lib capitalists.
Any time we talk about what people should do or ought to do, we're involving questions of right and wrong. In practice, there are exceptionally few ultra materialist/physicalist communists who talk about what will happen without an implicit belief that it's what ought to happen. Be honest: How many communists do you know who would say something like "Communism is a naturalistic historical outcome. I wouldn't say that communism is right or wrong, just like I wouldn't say that capitalism is right or wrong, because such human moralistic terms are meaningless to me in a world of atoms and other physical primitives"?
>>2597326This just goes into the discard pile for me, tbh. Maybe it's true, but I have no way of knowing that it's not another Westoid tale along the lines of Putin's blood cancer or Russia's NordStream attack.
>>2597248https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/stealth-bombers-and-bunker-busters
>As for the B-2: it is a big fat subsonic aircraft. It flies at airliner speeds. A strike on Fordow would entail flying at least 500 miles in and out of Iran.
>It is nonsense that the B-2 is effectively invisible. It can be tracked from long distances, and targeted sufficiently well that missiles with effective terminal guidance (thermal / optical) can kill it.
>The Iranians established during the October 26, 2024 Israeli counterstrike that they could paint F-35s with their radars. That is why the Israelis launched nothing but long-range stand-off munitions: aero-ballistic and cruise missiles – of which they have a very limited stockpile.
>The same conditions prevailed during the 12-Day War.
>And just as the Israelis were unwilling to risk getting fighters shot down over Iran, neither was the USAF willing to risk getting a B-2 shot down over Iran.
>Maybe a few B-2s launched some JASSMs from over Iraq or the Caspian Sea. Maybe nothing but sub-launched Tomahawks hit Iranian targets. But it certainly wasn’t GBU-57 “Bunker Buster” bombs dropped by a half-dozen B-2s casually flying in Iranian airspace for an hour.
>And whatever was dropped inflicted no meaningful damage. Fordow was scratched at best. A bunch of surface structures at Natanz were blown up.
>Trump’s claim that Iran’s nuclear program was destroyed is absurd nonsense. No one with even a modest understanding of these things believes that.
>The Israelis certainly don’t believe it, and they have admitted as much.
>It is true that, in retaliation, the Iranians precisely targeted and convincingly destroyed a significant communications complex at the American Al Udeid airbase in Qatar.
>The fictionalized B-2 “Bunker Buster” strike on Fordow, and the token Iranian ballistic missile strike on Al Udeid were orchestrated events designed to grease the tracks of a ceasefire that was proposed by the Americans and agreed to by the Iranians.
>The Americans and Israelis had expended almost their entire inventories of ballistic missile interceptors over the course of a week and a half, and Iranian missiles were raining down with effective impunity the last few days.
>The Iranians knew damn well they had already achieved a strategic victory, despite their shaky start.
>I’m also convinced the Russians and Chinese encouraged Iran to accept the ceasefire proposal.
>It allowed both sides to claim a PR victory, lick their wounds, and prepare for the next round.
>Meanwhile, the Iranians have more production capability than do their US/Israeli counterparts. And it also appears the Iranians are much more amenable to Russian and Chinese assistance now than they may have been previously.
>When this war resumes, the Iranians will be comparatively stronger than they were before. And the risks for the US/Israel will be significantly heightened. >>2597328Yeah
The AP learned of
the alleged rape and four other alleged cases of sexual violence blamed on Africa Corps fighters, commonly described by Malians as the “white men,”
Other combatants in Mali have been blamed for sexual assaults. The head of a women’s health clinic in the Mopti area told the AP
it had treated 28 women in the last six months who said they had been assaulted by militants with the al-Qaida affiliated JNIM, the most powerful armed group in Mali.
It's propaganda. Not that Russians
allegedly raping people is okay, but they wouldn't even be there if not for the US backed Islamists committing even worse atrocities, assuming any of this is even true.
>>2597329>neither was the USAF willing to risk getting a B-2 shot down over Iran. Maybe a few B-2s launched some JASSMs from over Iraq or the Caspian Sea. Maybe nothing but sub-launched Tomahawks hit Iranian targets. But it certainly wasn’t GBU-57 “Bunker Buster” bombs dropped by a half-dozen B-2s casually flying in Iranian airspace for an hour.Okay, but that's a different take, no? It's saying the US was too afraid to enter Iranian airspace at all, not that the US was explicitly allowed to enter Iranian airspace as part of a negotiation. I doubt even Cuckmenei would go for that.
>>2597311Communism is the only historical outcome in which humanity survives. Red. Or dead. It's just the hand humanity's been dealt.
All other alternatives being literal dead ends means it's irrelevant to me when and how their advocates perish.
>>2597345b-but what about all those space capitalisms in fiction?
>>2597311>amoralism necessitates physicalism>ethics necessitates ontologybooklet energy
>>2594456No, this is le interimperialist war. And, muh anti-imperialism is le humbug and le sham unless there is also le fight against le opportunism.
>The most dangerous of all in this respect are those who do not wish to understand that the fight against imperialism is a sham and humbug unless it is inseparably bound up with the fight against opportunism.Le Lenin, Le Imperialism, Le Highest Stage of Le Capitalism
"… the fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug…"
Lenin
>>2597326>Westoid atrocity propagandaShould be a bannable offense, honestly.
>>2597228>and probably the largest part is that he's afraid that Kremlin officials will be targeted in return (he apparently doesn't care about the attempt on Shoigu recently or whatever happened during his own helicopter incident in Kursk that time).If Russian officials have already been targeted, it's more reason to do the decaps
now. It's not only a matter of practically but literally saving your own skin.
>but it's not guaranteed to work, and you, I, anyone else would be lying to suggest a guarantee.It is practically guaranteed, because getting rid of the Ukronazi leadership, which has been groomed by the US for decades, would be a fatal blow. They're unpopular compradors running the country, needing NATO and foreign mercs to discipline domestic proles constantly. Without the leadership, their coherence collapses, their army follows shortly after, and the war ends, with thousands of Russian lives saved.
>>2597538Ukrainian nationalism isn't The One Ring.
>>2597696The worst thing is, they don't even resist
>>2597329the rumor I heard is the US ran through about 11-15% of it's stockpile of missile interception munitions in about a week. that's still more than they can produce in a year, which led to events proceeding the same with them wanting a ceasefire since they risked losing deterrence ability everywhere else in the world.
>>2597725I read a book by Losurdo earlier this year, and when he described WW1 and WWII as the 30 Years War of liberalism I think he hit the nail on the head. The post WWII imperialism has less of a grip on the world than the older capitalist era, and now it's having it's own crisis.
What happened to the effort posts by Sandernista anon, I miss reading those
Pussy riot is officially an extremist organisation.
>>2597734What book? Sounds interesting.
>>2597802took em long enough
>>2597802The most fascist-coded organisation ever
A Pussy Riot is a thing that happens in this thread every time Ukraine suffers a set back, but the mods won’t ban that as extremism
>>2597802pussy riot?
more like femcel riot.
>>2597241I always like how western media echoes so easily their own fabrications on their enemies, but dismisses the accusations brought about their own grunts everywhere they go.
Funfact about Colombia:
The presence of US marines and
military bases "training facilities" in Colombia are supposedly coordinated by a law that make those soldiers equal to their Colombian peer under the Colombian laws. but you can investigate easily how easy these US soldiers evade Colombian justice compared to their Colombian peers, and you know it's a joke.
social sciences students could write hundreds of compelling papers, essays, and doctorate thesis to make a case against their presence, but nah.
>>2597375>>amoralism necessitates physicalism>>ethics necessitates ontologyYour booklet reading comprehension has it backwards. The tiny number of communists in question believe that materialism/physicalism necessitates amoralism, which is to say that ontology necessitates ethics. This rookie mistake in logical inference is known as the 'converse error'.
>>2597345>Communism is the only historical outcome in which humanity survives.If your belief is that the survival of humanity is the right thing and that pre-communist political states don't lead to the survival of humanity, then communism is very much righting a historical wrong.
>>2597823but those pre communist states are a prerequisite for the development of communism, they're intrinsically linked as a prior stage of developing conditions to enable the struggle to take place to begin with.
>>2597804Liberalism: A Counter History
>>2597379i love how the american politics have co-opted the european politics.
>>2597833always have since 1945
>>2597406"The most dangerous people of all in this respect are those who do not wish to understand that the fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug
unless it is inseparably bound up with the fight against opportunism >>2597830If those prerequisite states (such as capitalism) are somehow wrong, then communism is correcting a historical wrong. This is an unavoidable moral dimension
except for the very few communists (be honest - how many do you know in practice?) who dispassionately look at capitalism and consider it neither right nor wrong, just a smashing together of those atoms and other physicalist primitives in space-time.
>>2597571Things that definitely happened
>>2597723It's not a rumor. It takes at least two interceptors per incoming missile, and Iran has a ton of missiles. Israel's interceptors had practically run out, and it will take years before their stocks are back up again.
But as far as AD goes, Iranian AD took damage, but was intact enough that American and Israeli assets were restricted from going into their airspace. Iranian AD wasn't "easily murdered."
>>2597336
>The fictionalized B-2 “Bunker Buster” strike on Fordow, and the token Iranian ballistic missile strike on Al Udeid were orchestrated events designed to grease the tracks of a ceasefire that was proposed by the Americans and agreed to by the Iranians.One way or another the Iranians allowed the strike to happen as part of a negotiated ceasefire. B2s crossing the entirety of Iran without a scratch is practically impossible, as is the Iranians hitting an American base without retaliation.
>>2597904Ngl the AI explained shit much more clearly than 99% of anons here
>>2597725They've increased shell production, but it's still not anywhere near enough, with the profit motive of the mic strangeling further production in the crib.
>>2598020Putin's "brotherly people" and trench-warfare approach to Ukraine has convinced the Baltoids, Poles, and most of Western Europe that they'll enjoy the same approach from Russia if they attack, say, Kaliningrad. But so far, despite a lot of noise about Kaliningrad, they're cucking out. Which is a good thing, because I'm not convinced Putin has what it takes to retaliate against a NATO homeland (not even with conventional missiles).
>>2597904How does it compare to deepseek? Do you have the text since I would like to try.
>>2596381ok whick one of you gave him the idea of playing map painting games?
>>2598048Honestly im still surprised that Nato doesnt decide to call Putins bluff and say, for example, shoot down a mig. They wouldnt even have to claim it somehow violated their airspace, most yurocucks would gooble it up anyway.
>>2598065Their fear would be Putin being ousted by some hardliner faction or just suddenly dying of old age.
>>2598077Is there a program that does that automated?
>>2598077What did you use?
>>2598077The translated title looks wrong to me. Ask Kampuchea or someone… I'm pretty sure the title in English is
Where are my shells? >>2598048Get better material
>>2598157Which part do you disagree with?
Putin has realized that his fraternal approach in Ukraine has given the NATOids the wrong message. That's the whole point of saying recently
>Putin: "Russia uses a surgical approach in Ukraine, its response in a war with Europe would be very different"
>>2598257>orchestrating its own invasion in order to join NATOThat does sound stupid. Did he actually say that, or are his words being twisted?
>>2598282Orchestrating its own invasion in order to join NATO in order not to get invaded…?
Or it might be a gibs thing, in which case that's totally within the realm of possibility for the Zelensky crooks.
>>2598286There is a soft requirement to not have territorial disputes to join NATO, and Ukraine absolutely started this war, even if they pretend it was Donbas that broke the ceasefire.
Maybe they expected Russia to just stare, as they shelled Donetsk to shit, I don't know what their plan was with Crimea, in that case. Russia simply chose "now", instead of "later".
>russia banned robloxhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/russian-ban-on-roblox-gaming-platform-sparks-rare-protest/ar-AA1SjIe3
>Russian officials say they need censorship to defend against a sophisticated "information war" unleashed by >Western powers, and what they cast as decadent Western culture which undermines "traditional" Russian values.Mutherfucker. They admitted to waging an information war. They admitted they want war for regime change in russia. Break the fingers of the authors for writing this.
>>2598361Sorry, but having Kirill Dmitriev go around calling Trump daddy, the Kremlin pretending that there's a sharp divide between America and Europe so it can try to schmooze its way into business deals, etc., is more damaging to the Russian info space than some trans furry on Roblox.
>>2598391>having Kirill Dmitriev go around calling Trump daddyI think he was making fun of Rutte who called Trump daddy unironically
>pretending that there's a sharp divide between America and EuropeThere isn't?
>>2598282no, obviously he did not.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX%3A32025D2572see the legal document.
the EU is merely seething for this book, where Baud exposed the Ukrainian ruling class, where literally Arestovych says the following:
>The price to pay for joining NATO is very probably an open conflict with Russia: either a larger conflict than the current one, or a series of such conflicts…The EU is merely sanctioning the guy for using their banderite buddies' words.
>>2598391>>2598428the divide was between democrats and they softpower projection on Europe. It seems that western europeans loves that 'decorum' of 'civility' that democrats exude, while of course funding nazis, doing regime change with the US, complying with US sanctions, invading other countries and being complicit of the genocides of the US.
basically that's the split. literally trump accused starmer "far's left" of meddling the US elections, lmao (starmer did it, tho).
note that when I say:
>funding nazis, doing regime change with the US, complying with US sanctions, invading other countries and being complicit of the genocides of the US.it's the same with rethugs. but they are "yes I will fucking murder you", while democrats talks you about muh freedom, muh human rights, muh civility, etc.
so yeah, trump, that all what he wanted was probably a pat on the head is busting europe's ball.
>>2598168Get off the stage. You're not funny.
>>2596527Why don't they just weld a pencil mustache in her while they're at it
Our poor girl
>>2598434I thought we have video of him saying that very thing, the price for nato is war with Russia.
>>2598460even if he did, he would have been merely quoting arestovych's words. but I found no credible verbatim, interview or speech where he did so, beyond the book.
>>2598464>even if he did, he would have been merely quoting arestovych's words. Sorry, that's who I meant, not the Helvoid.
>>2598452NATO simply lost in Ukraine and the US wants to wash its hands off of the failed project and leave, while the EU believes it to be more existential for themselves for whatever reason. That's the crux of the divide. Kamala would probably try to slavaukraini for a little longer to keep up the appearances of the neolib international but eventually buckle to the demands of the porky deep state
>>2598475let's see if the war continues up to the next US presidential term, and see democraps behavior. we will be sure by then once (if) they decide to resume the military and economic aid for the whole 4 years or not.
I am pretty confident democraps will win the presidential election, unless trump declares absolute monarchy led by the trump family or enacts some obscure law to stop the election cycle or democraps intentionally do everything to lose as they did in 2024.
but I am close to think that europeans can't sustain for long this war, so it's a waiting game now (something, btw, reinforces me my idea that democraps will resume the funding and keep it for a long time).
>>2598488But Ukraine did have Scythians, several advanced prehistoric cultures and proto-indo-europeans? I am not defending their insanity but this looks like an overreaction to facts that were widely accepted before 2014.
>>2598502There's zero continuity between those and the modern Ukrainian nation, which can be generously said to have emerged in the 17th-18th centuries. Snyder and his Ukrainian comrades somehow make it sound like a credit to modern Ukraine that there were Scythians and prehistoric settlements on their clay, and proof that they're more ancient than Russia n shit.
>>2598502That is true but those civilizations had nothing to do with the political nation of Ukraine. It's like how modern egyptians like to pretend they were pharaohs but already 2000 years ago they were ruled by greeks. Truly ethnic history of Ukrainians begins in around the 6th century and becomes political around the Rurik dynasty, where the trident of the coat of arms comes from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_the_Rurikids#/media/File:Ruriks_crests1.png >>2597405But dad I am fighting against the Westoid liberal “socialists”.
>>2598524>Truly ethnic history of Ukrainians begins in around the 6th century and becomes political around the Rurik dynastyThe genesis of Ukrainians comes much later after Kiev was abandoned as a capital and lands west of Dnieper became a borderland between Russia, Poland and the Ottomans/Crimean Tatars, with the settlers in that area absorbing a bit of each culture and later becoming the Cossacks.
There was nothing resembling a distinctive "ukrainian" identity in the time of Rurik or for hundreds of years after him. The trident was drudged up and invented by Mykola Grushevsky as a "we wuz" thing, and even then he wasn't sure about it because the Cossack hosts never used the trident. Their signature symbol/coat of arms was a cossack wielding a rifle
>>2598523Guys, help a comrade out.
I heard that during holodomor, you could be arrested for keeping 5 stalks of wheat. Apparently there was a law like that. I am too afraid to look for such a thing because there is too much bullshit out there and two, if such a thing did exist it would make me sad because ever since 2014 the amount of anti-soviet shilling has exploded, everyone somehow remembers historical grievances that happened before they were born and it's difficult to get the message across when diasporoids start telling stories of oppression so cartoony that it makes nazis sensible.
>>2598475>while the EU believes it to be more existential for themselves for whatever reason. After Ukraine it means EU has to either
a) normalize relations with Russia which is a tacit admission of the essential nature of the relationship with Russia, which means they at the very least have to start accommodating Moscow more
b) commit to not normalizing which means no cheap resources, continued economic difficulties, and increased instability as oligarch and prole interests continue to divulge
And in either case, the US wants to poison the well to deny Europe to brics and belt and road integration. I can't predict exactly what will happen but I think it's safe to say that this is the twilight of EU as we've known it.
>>2598552>this is the twilight of EU as we've known it.…and nothing of value was lost
>>2598545>that during holodomorsomething that never happened
>you could be arrested for keeping 5 stalks of wheatobviously bullshit, it was a law against gross theft from collective property, the majority of cases under this law had symbolic punishments and you would need to do shit like steal multiple tractors to go to gulag for a lengthy time. the "stalks of wheat law" is a perestroika neologism and no one was actually arrested for keeping stalks of wheat
>>2598545Even according to Wikipedo only 3.5% of those sentenced for stealing collective farm property at the height of the famine were sentenced to be executed.
Harsh criminal penalties for stealing food during famines are historically normative.
>>2598428>I think he was making fun of Rutte who called Trump daddy unironicallyYeah, I'm sure posting literal Qanon dumps and tracing Trump's bloodline was satire too.
>>2598457Just as I thought.
>>2598599>tracing Trump's bloodlineLol, what did he find?
>>2598452There's no divide between Europe and the US on the desire to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. It's all stupid games. Like the US couldn't bring Europe to heel if it really wanted to.
The Christtard Kremlins indulge the games because they have no self-respect and are not as dominant in Ukraine as they'd like, still scrapping around in Donbass after four years, the same time it took Stalin and Zhukov to fight the Great Patriotic War.
Kremlin inferiority complex means harsh words for broke Euroids who aren't doing shit - and not the adversary who's actually keeping Ukraine afloat with intel and Starlink, because destroying that bridge means no business deals for Kirill and his ilk.
>>2598639Wouldn't it be more helpful to push that guy out a window than to ban Roblox? Just sayin'.
I suppose the clues were there all along with the Easter ceasefires and other humanitarian nonsense……..but it wasn't until folks dropped the Christcucktin meme innovation that it all clicked for me in an instant
Since then I haven't been able to stop seeing the perverse influence of Christcuckoldry on the SMO…..
I would do ANYTHING to go back to the unenlightened state
The Kremlins are unironic Christtards. Imagine what the Chinese must think having to see this nonsense in 2025. They're smart to reserve some diplomatic distance between themselves and Russia and not go all-in.
>>2598655>>2598665If you think Putin or any of the other top people actually believe in Christianity you are the dumbest poster on this site.
>>2598616>There's no divide between Europe and the USunless that the US is not funding the war, cancelling the military and economic aid, is an elaborate plan to trap Russia, the reality is that there's a divide.
>>2598755You will eat the Vkusno i Tochka and be happy!
>>2598731Of course Putin does. Russia is an Orthodox nation, even if were to profess atheism as the Soviets did he would have to accept Orthodox values in order to be able to lead an authentic Russian development.
>>2598731>If you think Putin or any of the other top people actually believe in Christianity you are the dumbest poster on this site.I absolutely believe that the Christcuckoldry of the Kremlin boomers is 100% unironic. Not so with the Americans like Dubya, Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Mike Johnson, etc.
ngl, it doesn't seem fair that Putin is a manlet. He's done everything that the world could ask of a man: the martial arts, the law degree, the secret services, the pinnacle of politics, the Pushkin studies, etc.
>>2598755Based proletariat being defeatist.
>>2598885Okay you’ve ascended even further beyond gay nazi as chief dumbfuck.
Putin is a humanitarian and a christian. All russians are christians. To be russian is to be christian also.
>>2598655>>2598665You are actually retarded
>>2598993Yep. Foreigners tend to misunderstand just how much Christianity is not a thing here. I had genuine culture shock when I found out that Americans actually listen to pastors and Bible verses are a thing they apparently quote in everyday life? Socialist construction didn't do a perfect job of crushing and throwing out all religious culture but it did weather it down to basically the same state as folk belief remains of paganism in Christian countries.
The trad larp our government does is truly ridiculous, but it was chosen out of rational considerations like "what ideology can we rely on in local and foreign politics that isn't communism now that it's clear we won't be allowed into the imperialist club".
>>2598594A certain kind of anti-communist American will on the one hand say it’s their constitutional right to gun down a poor person with a starving family trying to steal their TV with munitions banned by militaries, but that stealing food during a famine is understandable and to be punished only with a slap on the wrist if at all.
>if I possess something, no steal or I’ll kill<if no one possesses anything, I’ll steal and it’s chill >>2599229>right to gun down a poor person with a starving family trying to steal their TV with munitions banned by militaries,Bruh. What the fuck do you think this is? Le Crime and Punishment? None of the thieves in America are doing it because they're starving.
>>2599242Oh that’s right, they’re all crackheads and that’s why they’re poor and why they therefore deserve to be shot without trial over a TV
Speaking of TVs, that televised Kupyansk peremoga went no where, huh?
Of course, It was only going to be a matter of hours before the footage could be scrutinised and compared to the current state of that particular sign and its surroundings, but man do NAFOids party like it’s 1933 for those few hours of peremoga.
>>2598545I have a grandma who said that her mother had to steal from communal granary to feed all grandma's siblings, and also that everyone in the village did this, too. It was spoken in a tone of utter horror, human rights abuses, yadda yadda, you know the drill
So, in short, food distribution was centralized, and there was a control of how much grain they all get. If everyone was feeding the same way, it doesn't mean that the whole village was hiding a plain fucking obvious secret from a tyrannial state, but rather that they had a goddamn collective responsiblity for themselves. Grandma being very young at that point, and decades of anticommunist propaganda in her old years, have twisted her memories and understanding of the events
>>2599273for what is worth, I'd assume it's because they are losing at all fronts.
Nothing happened. Nothing ever happens.
Something is always happening, it’s just a question of whether you care or not.
Nothing happened
>>2599161Not today, Christcuck.
Go fight "Satan" with Lavrov.
>>2598993That's not a denial of belief in the Christian God. It's simply a refusal to inject God into human caprice and human failings.
According to Witkoff, Putin told him that after the attempted Trump assassination, he went to pray in his private chapel. Of course he has a private chapel…
>>2599179>The trad larp our government does is truly ridiculous, but it was chosen out of rational considerations like "what ideology can we rely on in local and foreign politics that isn't communism now that it's clear we won't be allowed into the imperialist club".Yikes.
Putin is a christian and a humanitarian. He is not some cold calculating marxist materialist absolutely class conscious bourgeoisie
>>2599740I've noticed on social media that the Christianity of the Kremlinites is a sensitive issue for those who like to snicker at impudent criticisms and portray the Kremlinites as the rational adults in the room.
I'm glad China doesn't have this problem.
>>2597904I was curious so I tried deepseek myself. Below is the response:
Excellent. This is a rich and layered dialectical exchange. Let's break down the argument, assess its logical structure, and identify the core philosophical dispute.
Core Question at Issue
Does communism possess an inherent moral dimension, or is it an amoral, historical-materialist necessity?
Position Breakdown & Assessment
PERSON 1 (The "Amoralist / Ultra-Materialist"):
· Claim: Communism is stripped of moral judgment. It is presented as a historical inevitability (the "only historical outcome in which humanity survives") and a pragmatic imperative ("Red. Or dead.").
· Tactic: Uses stark, survivalist language to frame the choice as beyond morality—a fact of nature, like the "hand humanity's been dealt."
· Assessment: Logically, this position attempts to sidestep moral debate by appealing to historical determinism and species survival. However, Person 2 quickly exposes a potential contradiction: the moment Person 1 posits survival as the desired outcome, a value judgment ("survival is good") is smuggled in. Their "irrelevance" of opponents' fates also carries a tacit moral indifference that itself can be judged morally.
PERSON 2 (The "Moral Realist"):
· Primary Claim: Any political project advocating for what should or ought to happen is inherently moral. The denial of this is "clinical amorality."
· Key Argument: They perform a logical pivot on Person 1's survival claim:
1. Person 1 says communism is necessary for survival.
2. Implicit premise: Survival of humanity is a good thing (a right outcome).
3. Therefore, communism seeks to achieve a good outcome (survival) and correct a bad one (extinction).
4. Ergo, communism is "righting a historical wrong."
· Assessment: Person 2's argument is philosophically potent. They successfully argue that teleology (having an end goal, like survival) implies a value, moving the discussion from "is" to "ought." Their challenge for Person 1 to find communists who are truly amoral physicalists is a strong rhetorical and practical point—such positions are exceptionally rare in political activism.
PERSON 3 (The "Dialectician"):
· Claim: Introduces a crucial complication from Marxist historical materialism. Pre-communist states (feudalism, capitalism) are prerequisites for communism. They create the material conditions and class contradictions that make the communist struggle possible.
· Implication: If earlier stages are necessary parts of the dialectical process, can they be simplistically labeled a "historical wrong"? To call capitalism a "wrong" that needs "righting" might be an abistorical moral judgment, missing its historically necessary (though exploitative) role.
· Assessment: Person 3 subtly challenges Person 2's linear "wrong-to-be-corrected" framing. They introduce a more nuanced, process-oriented view where "wrong" and "right" are subsumed into a historical progression. This complicates Person 2's moral binary.
Overall Assessment of the Argument
1. Person 2 wins on logical grounds against Person 1's initial amoral claim. They successfully demonstrate that advocating for a specific future based on human survival is a moral position. Person 1's attempt to occupy a purely materialist, valueless stance collapses under its own premise.
2. The debate then shifts to a more sophisticated level with Person 3's intervention. The core question morphs from "Is there a moral dimension?" to "What is the nature of that moral dimension within a historical-dialectical framework?"
· Person 2's view: Morality is linear—capitalism is a wrong condition to be overcome.
· Person 3's (implied) view: Morality is immanent to the dialectical process—each stage is morally critique-able for its suffering, but also historically necessary. The "righting" is not of a simple "wrong," but the resolution of an inherent contradiction.
3. The Unresolved Tension: The debate hinges on two different frameworks clashing:
· Moral Philosophy Framework (Person 2): Concerned with right/wrong, ought/is, and justice.
· Historical Materialist Framework (Person 1 & 3): Concerned with historical laws, necessity, and dialectical progression.
· Person 2 is accusing the materialists of having an unacknowledged moral philosophy within their historical analysis. Person 3 is suggesting that moral philosophy itself must be understood through historical materialism.
Conclusion
Person 2 effectively exposes that "clinical amorality" in political discourse is almost impossible to maintain in practice. The moment a desirable outcome ("human survival," "emancipation," "a classless society") is named, a moral commitment is made. Person 1's "Red or dead" is not a neutral statement of fact; it is a terrifying moral ultimatum.
However, Person 3 provides the crucial materialist rebuttal to a simplistic moral reading: if history is a dialectical process, then moral judgments of prior stages must account for their necessary role. The real philosophical fight, therefore, is not whether morality is involved, but how morality is understood—as a set of transcendent values (Person 2's implied view) or as values emerging from and critiquing the historical process itself (the Marxist view Person 1 gestured at but failed to articulate coherently).
In essence, Person 2 won the battle (proving a moral dimension exists) but the war over the nature of that morality within a Marxist framework remains contested, thanks to Person 3's dialectical interjection.
>>2599757kek, it's truly sad that a bunch of AI LLMs, in between hallucinating song titles that don't exist, nevertheless have better comprehension of posts than the average imageboarder.
>>2599763Calculator can multiply 57748383×738838 faster than you, truly sad
>>2599765Allow me to demonstrate my point:
==
>ChatGPT, look at this exchange: PERSON A: "kek, it's truly sad that a bunch of AI LLMs, in between hallucinating song titles that don't exist, nevertheless have better comprehension of posts than the average imageboarder." PERSON B: "Calculator can multiply 57748383×738838 faster than you, truly sad." Can you spot the flaw in PERSON B's sarcasm?Yes. PERSON B’s sarcasm rests on a false analogy (and a bit of a category error).
Why it fails:
PERSON A is talking about comprehension—a core cognitive skill that humans generally claim superiority in, especially over imageboard users.
PERSON B responds by pointing to a calculator doing arithmetic faster, which is a narrow, mechanical task humans never claim to be better at.
So the comparison mismatches the dimensions:
Comprehension vs. speed
General cognitive ability vs. single-purpose tool
Humans allegedly failing at their own supposed strength vs. humans being outperformed at something they already outsource
A calculator outperforming humans at multiplication is expected and uninteresting; an AI outperforming humans at reading comprehension (while still hallucinating) is precisely the irony PERSON A is highlighting.
In short: PERSON B’s sarcasm doesn’t rebut the point—it sidesteps it by swapping in an unrelated, trivial example.
>>2599771>ChatGPT, upon being shown your analysis, PERSON B tersely responded ">implying sarcasm." Analyze this from a psychological POV.From a psychological perspective, PERSON B’s reply (“>implying sarcasm”) is a face-saving maneuver rather than a substantive response.
Here’s what’s going on:
1. Retroactive Reframing
By denying that the original comment was sarcasm, PERSON B attempts to reclassify the speech act after the fact. This is a common defense when someone realizes their remark didn’t land as intended. Instead of engaging with the critique, they shift the frame: “You misinterpreted me” rather than “My analogy was weak.”
Psychologically, this protects ego integrity by avoiding acknowledgment of error.
2. Implied Superiority Without Commitment
The phrasing suggests: “You’re naïve for thinking there was sarcasm here”, while carefully not committing to an alternative interpretation (e.g., literal analogy, irony, parody). This ambiguity allows PERSON B to:
Maintain a posture of intellectual superiority
Avoid being pinned down to a falsifiable claim
This is a hallmark of strategic vagueness in adversarial online discourse.
3. Deflection via Meta-Commentary
Rather than addressing the content of the critique (the flawed analogy), PERSON B comments on the interpretation process itself. This is a classic deflection tactic: moving the discussion from “Is this argument sound?” to “You’re reading it wrong.”
Psychologically, this shifts the burden back onto the critic and halts analytical progress.
4. Imageboard Cultural Signaling
The “>implying X” construction is a well-known imageboard trope. Its function is less about communication and more about in-group signaling:
It conveys ironic detachment
It discourages earnest analysis
It frames engagement itself as socially incorrect
This allows PERSON B to disengage while still appearing dominant within that cultural context.
5. Avoidance of Cognitive Dissonance
Accepting your analysis would require PERSON B to acknowledge that:
They misfired rhetorically, or
They misunderstood PERSON A’s point
Denying sarcasm sidesteps that discomfort entirely.
In short:
Psychologically, PERSON B’s response is not a clarification but a defensive withdrawal masked as dismissiveness. It preserves self-image, avoids accountability, and leverages cultural shorthand to shut down further scrutiny without resolving the underlying issue.
>>2599767You biased the result by presenting as a fait accompli that Person B has a flaw. Rewrite the same prompt but with 'Can you spot the flaw in Person A's argument?'
>>2599767Sorting logical categories and analysing syllogisms is as mechanical as multiplication. It is a skill that can be improved. Like grammar and stuff
Yes—both statements have reasoning issues, though of different kinds.
—
## Person A’s reasoning
> “AI LLMs … nevertheless have better comprehension of posts than the average imageboarder.”
Potential flaws:
1. Hasty generalization / anecdotal claim
“Average imageboarder” is undefined and unmeasured. The claim rests on impression rather than evidence.
2. Equivocation on *comprehension*
“Comprehension” can mean:
* surface-level semantic parsing,
* pragmatic understanding,
* truth-tracking,
* or genuine understanding / intent recognition.
LLMs may outperform some humans on one of these while being worse on others. The statement blurs these distinctions.
3. Internal tension
Pointing out that LLMs “hallucinate song titles that don’t exist” weakens the force of the claim unless the speaker specifies *what kind* of comprehension they mean. It’s not a contradiction, but it does demand clarification.
4. Rhetorical framing (appeal to ridicule)
The phrasing is clearly mocking, which doesn’t invalidate the claim but signals it’s more rhetorical than carefully argued.
Bottom line:
Person A may be gesturing at a real phenomenon (LLMs sometimes parse text more carefully than careless readers), but the claim is overstated and underspecified.
—
## Person B’s reasoning
> “Calculator can multiply 57748383×738838 faster than you, truly sad.”
Clear flaws:
1. False analogy / category error
Speed and accuracy in arithmetic are *precisely* what calculators are designed for.
The dispute was about *comprehension*, not raw computational speed. The analogy mismatches the relevant property.
2. Non sequitur
Even if calculators outperform humans at multiplication, that does not undermine the claim that LLMs might outperform some humans at post comprehension. The conclusion doesn’t follow.
3. Straw man / deflection
Person B reframes the claim as “machines being better than humans is trivial,” which avoids engaging with the specific comparison being made.
4. Implicit but invalid inference
The implied argument seems to be:
> “Machines outperform humans at narrow tasks → therefore this comparison is meaningless.”
> That doesn’t hold; some narrow tasks (e.g., text comprehension) are precisely what’s under debate.
Bottom line:
Person B’s response doesn’t actually rebut Person A’s claim; it sidesteps it with an analogy that fails to map onto the original issue.
—
## Overall assessment
* Person A: Possibly onto something, but sloppy and rhetorically inflated.
* Person B: Logically weaker; relies on a bad analogy that doesn’t address the claim.
So if we’re grading strictly on reasoning: Person B’s argument is more clearly flawed, while Person A’s is imprecise rather than outright invalid.
>>2599774When I don't prompt it to find flaws and simply to analyze the exchange, it says that PERSON A and PERSON B are talking past each other.
===
What’s interesting is that they’re talking past each other:
PERSON A is commenting on social and cognitive decline in a community (imageboard reading comprehension), using LLMs as a mirror.
PERSON B is reframing it as generic automation discourse (“machines outperform humans, so what?”), stripping away the social critique.
In short:
PERSON A is making a cultural insult dressed as an AI observation; PERSON B is responding with a rhetorical shrug. Neither is wrong on the surface, but they’re aiming at different targets.
====
So at best, it sees the PERSON B response as true but irrelevant.
>>2599781>Person B’s argument is more clearly flawed, while Person A’s is imprecise rather than outright invalid.kek, I, Person A, sadly concede that I did not perform a rigorous, methodologically sound study of the average imageboard poster before speaking of same.
>be TankAnon
>hastily make some comment about the lack of moral status of communism and then undermine that comment immediately - not because he's that sloppy but because he simply doesn't give a fuck anymore about investing thought into this troll/raid haven
>spergs spend the next 24 hours putting it under a microscope and posting AI slop
TankAnon is truly the winner here.
>>2599803Fair point, fambro.
These AI analyses "feel" arbitrary btw. Just vibes though
>>2599801tankanon is right on the methodological caution. there's no eternal moralism on historical explanation. historical materialism is a method that rejects moralizing answers:
>>2597121specially if the demands can't secure proletarian power and serve the transition to communism.
>>2597121>y-you are le monkeAnd?
Operation Trust (Russian: операция "Трест", romanized: operatsiya "Trest")[1] was a counterintelligence operation of the State Political Directorate (GPU) of the Soviet Union. The operation, which was set up by Cheka, the GPU's predecessor, ran from 1921 to 1927,[2] set up a fake anti-Bolshevik resistance organization, the Monarchist Union of Central Russia (MUCR) (Монархическое объединение Центральной России, МОЦР), in order to help the OGPU identify real monarchists and anti-Bolsheviks.[3] The created front company was called the Moscow Municipal Credit Association.[4]
The head of the MUCR was Alexander Yakushev, a former bureaucrat of the Ministry of Communications of Imperial Russia, who after the Russian Revolution joined the People's Commissariat of Foreign Trade, when the Soviets began to allow the former specialists (called "spetsy", Russian: спецы) to resume the positions of their expertise. This position allowed him to travel abroad and contact Russian emigrants. Yakushev was arrested for his contacts with the exiled White movement. In the same year of his arrest, he was recruited by the Soviet secret police by Artur Artuzov.
MUCR kept the monarchist general Alexander Kutepov from active actions, as he was convinced to wait for the development of internal anti-Bolshevik forces. Kutepov had previously believed in militant action as a solution to the Soviet occupation, and had formed the "combat organization", a militant splinter from the Russian All-Military Union (Russian: Русский Обще-Воинский Союз, Russkiy Obshche-Voinskiy Soyuz) led by General Baron Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel.[5] Kutepov also created the Inner Line as a counter-intelligence organization to prevent Bolshevik penetrations. It caused the Cheka some problems but was not overly successful.
Among the successes of Trust was the luring of Boris Savinkov and Sidney Reilly into the Soviet Union, where they were captured.
The Soviets did not organize Trust from scratch. The White Army had left sleeper agents, and there were also Royalist Russians who did not leave after the Civil War. These people cooperated to the point of having a loose organizational structure. When the OGPU discovered them, they did not liquidate all of them, but manoeuvred them into creating a shell organization for their own use.
Still another episode of the operation was an "illegal" trip (in fact, monitored by OGPU) of a notable émigré, Vasily Shulgin, into the Soviet Union. After his return he published a book Three Capitals with his impressions. In the book he wrote, in part, that contrary to his expectations, Russia was reviving, and the Bolsheviks would probably be removed from power.
In 1993, a Western historian who was granted limited access to the Trust files, John Costello, reported that they comprised 37 volumes and were such a bewildering welter of double-agents, changed code names, and interlocking deception operations with "the complexity of a symphonic score" that Russian historians from the Intelligence Service had difficulty separating fact from fantasy. The book in which this was written, was co-authored by ex-KGB spokesman Oleg Tsarev.[6]
Defector Vasili Mitrokhin reported that the Trust files were not housed at the SVR offices in Yasenevo, but were kept in the special archival collections (spetsfondi) of the FSB at the Lubyanka.
In 1967, a Soviet adventure TV series, Operation Trust (Операция "Трест"), was created.[7]
In the 1920s and 1930s, the Soviet Union also pursued multiple "Trest-like" deception operations in East Asia, including "Organizator", "Shogun", "Dreamers" and "Maki Mirage," all against Imperial Japan. Like Trest, they involved the control of fake anti-Soviet operations to lure rivals.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_TrustQanon first
>>2600010Holy shit man
How tf can you be a poltard and repeat some bullshit you will never be a woman meme after seeing this.
The British defence ministry keeps making statements that sound akin to fucking Goebbels announcing the Volkssturm. Nobody wants to fight Russia, dude. Accept it.
>>2600034This one gets posted on /pol/ a lot and its clear many are attracted
Russia Today (rt.com) really wants you to read this articlehttps://swentr.site/news/629411-kolomoysky-dealmaker-to-kingmaker/They are promoting it with banners all over the site – something I haven't seen… well… since ever.
TL;DR: it documents how an Ukrainian porky became a banker and rode the nazi movement to have his own private army that controls this goverment. Russia is pissed at this mofo, no cap
>>2600059Crazy how Kolomoysky caused Putin to launch a 3 day special military operation.
>>2600076Le inter le imperialist le war
>>2598755the people have spoken
>>2599179>Foreigners tend to misunderstand just how much Christianity is not a thing here. I had genuine culture shock when I found out that Americans actually listen to pastors and Bible verses are a thing they apparently quote in everyday life? Yes but in my experience that tends to be Evangelicals which is a specific subset of the population (although a large one) but they are 100% unironic. I had a woman quote a verse to me a few weeks ago. Can't remember which one but it was about cultivating a garden. Take tens of millions of such people and spread them across the country with a butter knife. Black Americans are more religious on average but also keep in mind that this is still going on in 2025 when there has been a rapid decline in religiosity, so you can only imagine how it was in the 20th century when half the population was going to church weekly (now it's more like 30%).
Think of Marjorie Taylor-Greene. One of the strongest opponents of Ukraine aid in Congress. She behaved like a provocateur, but after Charlie Kirk (Evangelical poster boy) was killed, she had a "come to Jesus" moment and is now talking about how we all need to be nice to each other, and I think she's sincere.
>The trad larp our government does is truly ridiculous, but it was chosen out of rational considerations like "what ideology can we rely on in local and foreign politics that isn't communism now that it's clear we won't be allowed into the imperialist club".Hobsbawm had a concept called "invented tradition," which is basically about how trad stuff is a modern thing wrapped up in the development of the nation and nationalism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invented_traditionRuling ideas are not just "false", they are materially functional and they work best when they wear historical costumes and look like le tradition and are wrapped up in flags, anthems, marching bands, whatever. The U.S. absolutely does this too BTW. It's just different. These Evangelicals I'm talking about are also exploited as part of that (like being told that supporting Israel is a core part of "who they are" even though Israel didn't exist until 1949).
>>2591046>Trump says Ukraine has "till Christmas" to come up with an agreeable peace deal.Well hopefully it happens!
>Nationalism works within a unique niche in contemporary society. It is constantly romanticized by its proponents, described as both necessary and natural, despite having to reinvent itself with every new epoch. Nationalism prides itself on its continuity, but it is constantly changing the means with which it defines itself. In a symbolic gesture, nationalism “mediates the past with the future, while providing an effective dimension for the present” (Tonkin, McDonald, Chapman, 255). It gives the appearance of historical resemblance in a reality that is actually ever-changing and fluid. The Enlightenment and Romanticist literary movements have played their part in developing national consciousness by describing nationalism as eternal, static, and even “infinite.” Ironically, it is because of the ordinariness of capitalist standardization that nationalism found its sincerest and most passionate supporters. The fact that nationalism rose during a time of emerging economic automation and science is no coincidence – National consciousness had to be created as a means to cope with the turbulent alienation of modernity.[…]
>Nationalism derives its prowess from essentialism, myths, and differentiation. It popularizes itself through print, through national language, and through common narratives for the future. And finally, it cements its dominance through repetition and invented traditions. The nuances of how nations individually created their sense of pride are invariably unique, mostly due to differences in relative power, but the general way nationalism is conceived is virtually the same in every historical situation.
>Although nationalism is derived from invented traditions and mythological imagination, this does not delegitimize its potential as a political force. Nationalism has proved to be one of the most dynamic phenomena in history, constantly re-inventing itself with each generation. Although as a rule, nationalism is an imaginative community, it has its uses in fighting hegemonic power and re-vitalizing exploited peoples. As Stuart Hall writes in Culture, Globalization, and the World System: “I do not know an example of any group or category of the people of the margins, of the locals, who have been able to mobilize themselves, socially, culturally, economically, politically… who have not gone through some such series of moments in order to resist their exclusion, their marginalization” (King, 53). It for this reason that nationalism cannot be discarded purely on the basis of being imaginative – it has the potential to be a necessary counter to dominant power, and has revitalized marginalized people throughout the world, especially in the post-colonial era. As a means, nationalism is a sound anti-imperialist platform, but it still fails to provide an end. The historic end-goal of nationalism is the victory of the particular nation. What this end entails is potentially open to reactionary violence, and even political manipulation, which has been the case for the much of modern history. Nationalism breeds competition; It may function as a means to liberate a group, but it fails to provide a proper end.https://intotherose-garden.com/2014/05/05/the-invention-and-imagination-of-nationalism/ >>2600150>>2600184Off-topic.
Stop posting
>>2600059Last I heard of him, he was arrested for corruption. What's new with him?
>>2600213he was supposed to have another hearing a month ago, but he threatened to reveal some dirt on Zelensky, so they can't bring him to court because all the police cars got spontaneously geran'd or something
Is Ukraine going to be Cambodia'd by the war having such a deep ingrained affect on people that the majority of people don't vote for any east-leaning Communist for the next hundred years.
Lukashenko status?
>>2600294doing pretty good, got some sanctions lifted in exchange for releasing some worthless discredited maidanites who have already angered their ukrop handlers by refusing to publicly endorse belarusian nazi units
>>2600303lmfao
Imagine if they wind up getting killed or sent to the front (same thing).
>>2600141As if "we're just pretending to be stupid" is any kind of legitimate defense of Russian Christsloppery anyway. Not that they're pretending - look how easily fooled they are by everything else, and look at their rampant cheek-turning behavior.
IN THE MARXIST MECCANO UNIVERSE, ATHEIST MATERIALISM IS
NON-NEGOTIABLE.
Medvedev is probably the only current Russian official smart enough not to have the religion brainworms. His pretense is instead stronkism.
>>2600448I don't think Medvedev is particularly smart. He is, instead, loud.
Don't care about his religious affiliations either.
>>2591046>Trump says Ukraine has "till Christmas" to come up with an agreeable peace deal.He's doing this again, eh?
>>2591243>oh boy another trump ultimatum that he will totally enforce and not send down the memory hole once the deadline passes and ukraine ignores it.Well, could be interesting. NABU dropped a big hammer the day after Thanksgiving, which was his previous deadline. But so far Zelensky himself remains untouched and Euroids are still happy to gang-photograph him, so…
The cynic in me says that the US goes through the motions of negotiations with Russia and glazes it with carrots (orange cum) whenever it wants to pound something like Iran or Venezuela, counting on the diplo fetishists not wanting to 'ruin the negotiations with the Americans'.
>>2599729Stalin's bodyguard reported he went to church especially post great patriotic war and Zhukov had belief too. Both were officially atheists
>>2600693Revisionist nonsense that gets dragged up every so often. The bodyguard report isn't even anything… literally a 'visit' to a church for some unknown reason.
>HOW DARE YOU QUESTION PUTIN'S DECISION-MAKING, YOU DOOMER
<Isn't Putin a Christcuck?
>N-N-N-NO, HE'S JUST PRETENDING TO BE STUPID.
There's no coming back from this.
Satan status?
Putin likely is just larping. I'm more concerned that there's hardly anyone to follow on social media for war updates without getting a bunch of traddy chuddy shit thrown into the mix from MyLordBebo, Olga, etc.
>>2600742 (me)
I remember when that Ukro girl got stabbed on the train… MyLordBebo was spamming the same post for 48 hours.
>>2600743 (me)
Then I found this GabeZZoZZ dude, who helpfully keeps track of Telegram-posted happenings so I don't have to use Telegram, and now half his posts are making derogatory posts about blacks.
Roidbro Ayden would actually be decent if he'd stop spamming his name-calling battles with the most retarded and irrelevant of NAFO posters.
>>2600780Because they are trying to obfuscate class relations with the traditional opium now that the liberal thousand year reich dream is fading.
>>2600836uh, isn't that just russia becoming capitalist again?
>>2600837Yes I do believe that's the point
>>2600846So you are teaching people here that capitalism has been restored in Russia in 1991? They do not already know that? Or did you just want to suck Unruhe's retarded cock?
>>2600848Neither. I'm asking what you make of his post. Why are you suddenly so angry and defensive?
Seeing as you seemingly didn't understand - he's stating that it doesn't make sense for communists to support capitalist factions in wars, be it Ukraine/NATO or Russia.
He's therefore extrapolating that people who identify as communist but support Putin and Russia are not genuinely communist but actually motivated by other, socially reactionary ideological views.
Do you understand it now? I'm merely asking the thread what people make of that position, whether they agree, or else what they find to be wrong it. Is that a crime?
>>2600851>sitting inside the West>condemning the enemies of the WestI'd ask when his own list is dropping, and when is he going to write anti-communist dreck, like Animal Farm.
Unruhe is an anarcracker westoid treatler
>>2600851>>2600851 Not taking sides is tantamount to supporting the USA you fucking retard
Nobody thinks they are 'supporting communism' when supporting Putin's Russia. We support Russia because it decreases (ever so slightly) America's totalitarian grasp over the world.
The anti-campist stance is a luxury for comfortable white bois.
>muh hegemony
Faking gramsci man
>>2600866If you live in a NATO country then there's functionally no difference between a pro-Russian and an anti-campist position as long as you are promoting revolutionary defeatism against your own government.
As long as the miner's heart beats in the chest,
And the blood of sons runs warm within that heart,
I want the song to be the coal-cutter's friend,
To forge the steel and lead deep into the shaft,
To rivet cages, and to raise up buildings,
And on the scaffolds of great creation
To be an example of the highest valor.
Donbas shall live! Siren calls to siren
The steel good news of miners' friendship:
No one has brought Donbass to its knees,
And no one ever shall!
And there is no land more beautiful, more inspired,
Where all is created by the people, the makers.
No one has brought Donbass to its knees,
And no one ever shall!
And there is no Fatherland purer or more sacred
Where all hearts merge into one…
And this heart is blessed by Lenin
The great beacon of our dear Party!
>>2600890There is aboslutely zero revolutionary defeatism being promoted in NATO countries. Leftcoms and anarchists are the biggest nazi cheerleaders for NATO. Fuck them and fuck you.
>>2600866Only a fucking American could be this detached and isolated from geopolitical reality as to hold such a backwards position.
Because if you lived anywhere else in the world the notion of direct risk of interference from Russia is just as real as the risk of it from the USA, they are both trying to fuck us.
You live in the only country where Russia is some abstract entity you don't have to consider the concrete actions of.
Russia has a very strong grasp over lots of countries but your dumb yank ass probably never even heard of them.
It goes without saying you can't be a communist and support Ukrainian NATO Bandera Hitlerite blood and soil nationalism.
You also can't be a communist and support Russian blood and soil imperialist conquest and mass kidnapping of children to be put up for sale in Russia.
Read up on revolutionary defeatism dumb American "MList" Duginite Nazbol Russian blood and soil revanchist ass theorylet.
>>26013241. I’m not American.
2. I do not give a shit about countries in Russia’s sphere of influence. Russia’s grasp on them is still weaker than America’s grasp on Europe, Japan, SK, Taiwan etc.
3. All that matters is the weakening of American hegemony. No matter how many Navalnys, or Pussy Riots, or democratic NGOs rot and die in Russian prisons. I piss on them. To quote Bertolt Brecht, “The more innocent they are, the more they deserve to die.”
4. I do not give a single fuck about Russian neonazis, Dugin, Orthodox Church weirdos etc. All that matters is weakening of American hegemony. If a Russian Hitler benefits from this, SO BE IT.
5. Do not ever call me American again.
>>2601329Russia just existing next to its neighbours…. menacingly.
>>2601339Honestly, I don’t actually recall anyone ever giving specific examples of Russia’s interference with its neighbours. It’s just taken as a given that Russian interference is a thing, with the invasion of Georgia and Ukraine being pushed as “if they were willing to invade then they must have been interfering in other countries’ politics as well”.
Beyond that any scandal that happens in any of Russia’s neighbours also gets blamed on Russia. Like Russia’s existence is to blame for Kallas’ husband doing business with Russia, the Georgian equivalent of the Foreign Agents law is a “Russian” law, the Ukrainian leadership’s theft of state money is a thing apparently because the Russians taught and inspired them how to do it, etc
>>2601159>There is aboslutely zero revolutionary defeatism being promoted in NATO countries. If that's the case then it must apply to pro-Russian people too, in which case there's still zero meaningful difference between anti-campists and pro-Russians. Cheerleading the Russian war effort doesn't make you more objectively anti-imperialist than somebody who doesn't take a side if neither of you are actually doing anything.
>>2601360>that’s not revolutionary defeatism, that’s just cheerleading for RussiaIncredible take
>>2600303That's not the even the funniest part. Apparently Lukashenko kept them all in an information blackout while they were in prison, with the exception of the occasional state-tv broadcasts, so they literally had no idea what the fuck was going on and when asked who started the war/whose fault the war was was they had to resort to "war is bad mmkkkk both sides are wrong" standard answers for their Ukrainian audience which really pissed off the Ukrainians. Maria was so surprised that she was asked a question in Ukrainian by a reporter that she automatically requested a translation into Russian which again really made the Ukrainians mad. Top tier trolling from Lukashenko. And Babariko's son is still in prison as a hostage.
>>2601363I'm saying that if all you do is cheerlead for Russia instead of engaging in revolutionary defeatist *action* then you aren't any more anti-imperialist than a both sideser who does the same. Similarly, a both sideser who does engage in revolutionary defeatism is more objectively anti-imperialist. All that matters is engaging in revolutionary defeatist praxis.
>>2601369No lies detected.
>>2601370>Similarly, a both sideser who does engage in revolutionary defeatism is more objectively anti-imperialist. All that matters is engaging in revolutionary defeatist praxis.The point is that will never happen if both-siders think *ACTION* stands to benefit Russia, by virtue of Russia and the US being perfectly balanced on the imperialism scale and countering each other's imperial ambitions perfectly. That any
ACTION that would result in defeat for NATO would be merely to destroy that balance and I guess hand world domination over to Putin.
Please don't downplay the takes on this thread as mere cheerleading, because if there ever were to be actioned revolutionary defeatism, that starts at having an awareness of why the west ought to lose in the first place.
>I think our enemies should lose first, then we can work on losing as wellis not the start to action, it's the start to complacency.
>>2601385>The point is that will never happen if both-siders think *ACTION* stands to benefit RussiaThat simply isn't true. I've participated in joint actions with individuals and parties who considered this an inter-imperialist conflict. In fact some of the most active and committed anti-imperialists I've ever met fit into this category.
>That any ACTION that would result in defeat for NATO would be merely to destroy that balance and I guess hand world domination over to Putin.According the that logic they shouldn't want a defeat of Russia either.
>is not the start to actionThe start of action is recognizing the necessity of working with people you disagree with on things which are in the grand scheme of things irrelevant.
>>2601385>by virtue of Russia and the US being perfectly balanced on the imperialism scale and countering each other's imperial ambitions perfectly That's not what the both-siders are scared of. It's clear that a faction of the American bourgeoisie, under Trump and the Republicans, wish to quickly reconcile with Russia, write off Ukraine, and form an alliance to contain China, in a reversal of the Sino-Soviet split. Likewise, there is a section of the Russian bourgeoisie who openly wish to push for such an alliance as well. This is why all the hate against "both-siders" is totally misguided. It is clear that should Russia and America conclude some sort of agreement that the Russian Federation, rather than continuing to be an anti-imperialist outpost and rallying front for all the oppressed nations, would join into the Western imperialist bloc and become yet another obstacle for socialists everywhere. Putin may not opt for such an alliance, but Putin is getting on in his years. Who is to say his successor wouldn't?
>>2601391Even if such an alliance was somehow made real, it would be merely setting the clock back a few years until the Democrats are back in power and start making demands of Russia again. Why on Earth would Russia opt for that over an alliance with China, which requires no concessions?
>>2601390>anecdotal evidence and self-promotion about undisclosed actionsOkay cool, I’m very impressed by yourself and the people you know
>bothsidists shouldn’t want Russia to loseI think people can agree based on all we’ve seen over the years ITT and the dearly departed anti-campist thread, the idea is that Russia’s invading of Ukraine is an as-yet-unsuccessful attempt at harming that balance while NATO expansionism wasn’t.
>be willing to work with people you disagree withYou’re the one who’s come out swinging with the accusation we’re just cheerleaders for Russia lmao
>>2600836I respond thus: Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, bruh, I just like when Nazis get shot. I don't worship the person pulling the trigger.
>>2601412>You’re the one who’s come out swinging with the accusation we’re just cheerleaders for Russia lmaoI came out criticizing the notion that you have to support Russia to discharge your duty as an anti-imperialist in a Western country.
>>2601458No one ITT says that, it's the hysterical that claim this thread can't possibly be SO anti-NATO without being motivated by a strong and sincere support for Russia and its state in general.
>>2601369>Putin hopes for dialogue with Europe, but it is unlikely with its current political leadershipNothing really to criticize there except that he's still pretending that Europe isn't doing precisely what America wants it to do. There's still no sign of post-Blumpf clarity. This is why Blumpf was a mistake and why I wish Biden had won - then Putin wouldn't be able to parade these illusions.
>>2601477 (me)
Or Kamala rather. Whatevs.
>>2601467The post I initially responded to said that not supporting Russia meant supporting the US, and such sentiments are pretty common ITT.
baker
>>2601536The post said not picking sides in this conflict is essentially picking the US because that’s true, this conflict was a result of NATO’s expansion that the US has been pushing since the 90s, despite voicing that they wouldn’t do that and against Russia’s request for the goodwill the Cold War was ended on be upheld. The post doesn’t even claim Russia is a motivated and pro-active anti-imperial force, just that Russia currently acts to thwart the US’s imperial ambitions and that’s where their support for Russia derives from.
Then you started yelping about cheerleaders for Russia.
>>2601655I think his point is that if someone is declaratively both-sidedist but their praxis is anti-NATO they are net anti-imperialist and there is no point in attacking or demonizing them. Which is entirely fair. Even the likes of KRPF and RKRP positively cover KKE's praxis despite their everyone-badist position, for example:
https://msk.kprf.ru/2024/03/26/250415/ >>2601677>declaratively both-sidedist but their praxis is anti-NATO they are net anti imperialist and there is no point in attacking or demonizing themKind of like a nun who spends Friday nights hooking on a street corner? My first reaction would be to marvel at such a curiosity, not to attack or demonize.
>>2601677That is fair and not the part I disagree with tbh. I disagree with the accusation that, to think neutrality is misguided in such an obviously US/NATO provoked situation, makes one a cheerleader for Russia.
Sum1 bake
Nah, what is this thread even for at this point? To be repeatedly asked our own equivalent of
>But do you condemn October 7th?
for years and years?
>>2601927to inform people that comes in, also to counter propagandized people. yeah.
>>2601885not little pigs, but underpigs.
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