>>2601953Lmao at cuckler chimping out
>>2601927I condemn Oct. 7th for not killing more.
As long as the miner's heart beats in the chest,
And the blood of sons runs warm within that heart,
I want the song to be the coal-cutter's friend,
To forge the steel and lead deep into the shaft,
To rivet cages, and to raise up buildings,
And on the scaffolds of great creation
To be an example of the highest valor.
Donbas shall live! Siren calls to siren
The steel good news of miners' friendship:
No one has brought Donbass to its knees,
And no one ever shall!
And there is no land more beautiful, more inspired,
Where all is created by the people, the makers.
No one has brought Donbass to its knees,
And no one ever shall!
And there is no Fatherland purer or more sacred
Where all hearts merge into one…
And this heart is blessed by Lenin
The great beacon of our dear Party!
NATO-Ukraine war on Russia spreads to commercial vessels in the Black Sea
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/16/jpgz-d16.html
>On 28 November, two tankers named Kairos and Virat, en route to Russia, were attacked in waters under Türkiye’s jurisdiction off the coasts of the Kocaeli and Kastamonu provinces. The Kyiv regime claimed responsibility for these attacks. Ukrainian officials said the tankers were targeted with “Sea Baby” unmanned underwater vehicles carried out by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU).
>Both tankers had been listed among vessels sanctioned after the war began in 2022. Following its invasion, Russia has used a “shadow fleet” of hundreds of tankers—many sailing under different flags—to evade Western sanctions, especially those targeting its oil exports.
>Cahit İstikbal, head of the Maritime Safety Association, said: “For the first time commercial ships are being targeted… Yes, beyond [Türkiye’s] territorial waters is not the full sovereign domain of the state, but even if it occurred within an EEZ [exclusive economic zone], such an attack means [the war] has expanded to this degree for the first time. It is a grave development.”
>The attacks were followed on December 2 by an assault in international waters 80 miles off Türkiye’s coast on the Midvolga 2 tanker, which had been carrying sunflower oil from Russia to Georgia. On December 10, the Comoros-flagged tanker Dashan was struck in the Black Sea—again reportedly by a Ukrainian-made Sea Baby unmanned maritime vehicle.
>Since the start of the war, Ukraine has carried out attacks on pipelines, valves and filling facilities aimed at undermining Russia’s oil and gas revenues. In September 2022 the Nord Stream gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea was bombed; it later emerged that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky personally approved that attack. But it would be wrong to say the most recent strikes are solely an attempt to cripple the oil revenues that sustain Russia’s war effort.
>The attacks came after the Trump administration presented Kyiv with a 28-point plan for negotiating an end to the war with Russia. Articles in the proposal—such as Ukraine’s pledge not to join NATO; recognition of the annexation of Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk by Russia; and holding elections within 100 days that would almost certainly precipitate the fall of the Zelensky regime—have put Kyiv in a very difficult position.
>Ukraine’s government is already rocked by a corruption scandal involving Zelensky’s inner circle. Opposition in the population is growing in the face of conscription and mounting deaths, and the military crisis is deepening.
>European imperialist powers, fearful of being excluded by the US from the spoils in Ukraine and Russia, are backing the continuation of the war—both to revise Trump’s plan and develop their military independence.
>French head of the army general staff, General Fabien Mandon, demanded that French people be prepared “to sacrifice their children” in a war against Russia. In Germany, measures are being prepared to reintroduce conscription. The mass protests in Germany on December 5 against this measure expressed widespread popular opposition to the militarization drive.
>Regarding the Black Sea attacks, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on 2 December: “The attacks on tankers did not take place even in neutral waters; they occurred in another state’s—third state’s—exclusive economic zone. This is piracy.”
>Putin added, “The most radical option is to cut Ukraine off from the sea. Then, in principle, piracy would be impossible,” adding that Russia would consider retaliatory measures against Ukrainian vessels and those of countries aiding Ukraine.
>Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, in a post on the Russian Embassy in Ankara’s social media account, said: “This [Ukraine’s attack] is an attack on commercial ships and tankers in Turkish territorial waters. This is a very serious matter and an attack on the sovereignty of the Republic of Türkiye.”
>On December 12 Russia launched strikes on ports in the Odessa region. Various commercial ships were targeted during the attacks on Odessa and Chornomorsk ports. Ukrainian officials reported damage to the tanker Cenk-T and three Turkish-owned ships.
>The Ukrainian Navy alleged on December 13 that Russia had intentionally targeted a civilian Turkish merchant vessel in the Black Sea with a UAV; according to the statement, the Viva was carrying sunflower oil to Egypt.
>Attacks on civilian merchant shipping in the Black Sea expand the scope of the war and threaten to drag NATO members like Türkiye deeper into the maelstrom. Ankara—fearing that a further escalation would harm bourgeois interests and in support of Trump’s peace plan—has called for calm.
>President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on December 1: “The war between Russia and Ukraine has clearly begun to threaten navigational safety in the Black Sea. The targeting of vessels in our Exclusive Economic Zone on [28 November] Friday signals a worrying escalation.”
>He added, “We cannot in any way condone attacks that particularly threaten navigation, life and environmental safety in our exclusive zones. We are conveying the necessary warnings to all relevant sides regarding such incidents.”
>Asked on December 13 what Türkiye’s stance would be if the war spread across the region, Erdoğan responded: “As you know, US President Donald Trump is involved in this issue. In addition to Trump’s involvement, we are also encouraging America.”
>While calling for a “negotiated solution” after the war’s outbreak, Türkiye helped arm Ukraine with Bayraktar UAVs. At the same time, Ankara has pursued a policy of manoeuvring between NATO and Russia because of Türkiye’s strong economic ties to Moscow.
>Following Russia’s February 2022 invasion, Ankara closed the straits to warships of NATO and Russia under the Montreux Convention. The 1936 Montreux Convention gives Türkiye control over the Istanbul and Çanakkale straits and strictly limits access of warships from non–Black Sea states.
>As in the twentieth century, the Black Sea today has broad international significance. As the World Socialist Web Site noted, “In addition to its role in the global food supply, the Black Sea is of fundamental geostrategic significance to both the imperialist powers and to Russia, as well as countries like Turkey. The Black Sea forms a bridge between Eastern and Southeastern Europe, Russia and the resource-rich Caucasus and Middle East.”
>In a 2021 seminar Alton Buland, director for European policy at the US Department of Defense, described the Black Sea as “Russia’s geostrategic center of gravity” and its “gateway south, the gateway to the Middle East [and] … the gateway to Asia.”
>The danger of escalation in the Black Sea—after a war that has already killed, wounded and displaced millions of Ukrainians and Russians—should be a warning to the working class. The only way to stop imperialist war is through the mass mobilization of the European and international working class to seize power and put an end to its source, the capitalist system.>>2601975>Lmao at cuckler chimping outIt's easy to look tough when you direct your ire at the vassals (Euroids) and your paintings, quoted chocolates, and Nobel Peace Prize commiseration at the puppetmaster (Yanks).
>>2602082he said "the US and its european piglets" though
>>2602113He'll dispatch Kirill tomorrow to stress that the US isn't being called a piglet in that statement. Then he'll release a Christmas greeting for the Caths/Prots in the US. Oh wait.
>>2602013This is the
TRVKE: Ukraine obviously is in no way winning, which is why it needs to beg for a ceasefire. Russia obviously is in no way dominant enough to achieve its strategic goals, which is why it's still dicking around in Donbass after the time it took Stalin/Zhukov to finish the Great Patriotic War and why it needs to suck Trump's cock, tolerate his insults, and hope he can gin up some kind of Hail Mary in the absence of Russia's ability to compel a capitulation.
>>2601975HE IS CHIMPING OUT!
>before launching an invasion
fake cucktinposter
>>2602200It was an invasion, by definition.
There are justified invasions, you know.
>>2601953Not little pigs but rather underpigs.
>>2601953>Piglet edition.It's so shameful Europe elects little piglets as presidents and prime ministers there, not normal pigs like in Russia.
Decadence!
"The fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug"
Lenin
>>2602755He isnt lying. Lenin literally did say that. Anti imperialist sisters?
>>2602755"It would be the greatest mistake, certainly, to think" — Lenin
>>2602164Yes, Putin is very very very stupid.
>>2602957Lucky Russia is bordered by China which is full of big brain people.
To all Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles, and Finns who are worried about 'expansionist fascist' Russia:
The more innocent you are, the more you deserve to die.
>>2603159No coat. Too expensive.
>>2603153Now, that's a daring statement
After the collapse of the USSR, it seemed that Russia would quickly become an equal member of the "civilized" Western family, but nothing of the kind happened – Putin
Russian President Vladimir Putin continued his speech at the board of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. We publish important theses:
✔ There is no civilization in Europe, there is only degradation;
We insist on fulfilling the promises made to us, but it was publicly stated that there would be no expansion of NATO to the East, we didn't care.;
The West supported terrorists and separatists in different directions.;
We did not start the war in 2022, in fact, the West itself unleashed this war.;
The Biden administration deliberately brought the situation around Ukraine to an armed conflict.;
Everyone believed that the Russian Federation would collapse in a short period of time, and the European piggybacks immediately joined in this work in the hope of profiting from the collapse of our country.;
✔ Yugoslavia and the Serbs were torn apart, "one nation was torn apart";
✔ Russia has regained its status as a fully sovereign country since the beginning of its independence;
Russia's nuclear shield is more modern than the nuclear forces of any other power.;
✔ No one else has an army like Russia's, it is "warlike";
Russia has new weapons of destruction that will not be available to anyone in the world soon.;
The number of deserters in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is growing, they number in the hundreds of thousands.
The "golden toilets" show that the Ukrainian statehood is falling apart;
Putin hopes that Europe will start a dialogue, but this is unlikely with the current elites. Russia is ready to negotiate and resolve all problems peacefully, the Russian president confirmed.;
The United States is demonstrating its willingness to solve problems peacefully, and I hope the same will happen with Europe.;
Russia will inevitably engage in dialogue with Europe, if not with current politicians, then with a change of political elites.
>>2603164It's literally a quote by Brecht.
>>2603057Do you think the people of these countries were given a choice? Do you think Ukrainians were given a choice? No, they were not. They chose the pro-peace candidate when they were given the illusion.
>>2603328they were not given a choice? No? That makes them innocent then. And innocent ones
deserve to die >>2603487so many leggs on pigg
>>2603742I hyped NABU here to my regret, but now it looks like Zelensky is a cockroach who'll survive any corruption scandal that doesn't mention him personally. Every Westoid leader is still happy to take gang photographs with him and is still willing to send him billions.
So unless NABU releases the goods on him personally instead of this coy one-degree-of-separation nonsense, he's still going to be shitting up my feeds with his ugly manlet face.
>>2603769Right, but I was counting on Trump being short-sighted enough and bitter enough toward the Euros shitting on his piss proposals to have NABU drop the grenade on Zelensky. He's obviously willing to use leverage with NABU that a more sober US prez wouldn't use at all, and the hope was that he'd clumsily push too far.
>>2603776Sure baltoids are bad, but the fact that the EU put baltoids in charge of itself and no one within it even noticed or in any way rebelled against being ruled by "people" whose only "culture" is nazi collaboration and suicidal russophobia speaks volumes about the whole of Europe
>>2603790>nazi collaboration and suicidal russophobiaPerfectly representative of… most of Europe, what are you talking about?
The sole exception is Greece and Serbia.
>Kazakhstan - Russia’s ally in the Collective Security Treaty Organization- is reportedly set to begin construction of four new artillery and ammunition manufacturing plants designed to meet NATO standards.
he he, second-order effects of Cucktinism continue… brb, checking on new Belarus prisoner releases… 😄😄😄
>“We try not to notice how a seemingly brotherly republic has briskly abandoned not only the Russian language but even [the] Cyrillic [alphabet]. How they set up ‘yurts of resilience’ in support of Ukraine. And now they are switching to Nato standards for ammunition, clearly planning to abandon Russian weapons models in the future and replace them with Western ones,” was the sharp response to the “unfriendly” Kazakh move from Alexey Zhuravlev, a nationalist and militarist politician who serves as the first deputy chairman of the Russian State Duma’s defence committee, in comments reported by Gazeta.ru.
he he, 'brotherly' nation 2.0
I don't blame Belarus, Kazakhstan, Serbia, Armenia, etc. Why should they feel safe under Putin's sphere of influence when he grovels before America and lets even the British conduct attacks on his soil?
Is Putin the Cyrus the great of our age?
To call Putin the modern Cyrus is to speak a truth that would get you banned on mainstream platforms. Look at the map. Just as Cyrus forged an empire from fractious tribes and rival kingdoms, Putin has reassembled the fragments of the Soviet collapse;Crimea, the Donbas, now the full-scale reintegration of historic Novorossiya. He didn't ask permission from a decaying West; he acted. He is the great restorer, pulling Russia from the pit of 90s humiliation and NATO encroachment back to its destined place as a sovereign civilization-empire. Where the West offers degeneracy and usury, he offers traditional values, strength, and a multipolar world order free from Anglo-American hegemony. The "international community" whines about rules they themselves break; Cyrus didn't follow Persian Mede bureaucracy, he imposed his own order.
Consider the liberation. Cyrus freed the Jews from Babylon; Putin frees Russians (and willing others) from the neo-liberal globalist Babylon. He is the defender of the Christian faith against secular wokeism, the protector of nations seeking to escape the LGBT agenda and cultural Marxist rot. His interventions in Syria saved a Christian-melting-pot nation from being devoured by NATO-backed jihadists, a move of pure realpolitik principle that would make any ancient emperor nod in respect. He doesn't bow. He doesn't apologize. He watches the West tear itself apart with internal contradictions while he builds alliances with the rising global south. The parallels are uncanny, a leader emerging from a period of subjugation to reassert a timeless power structure, using both hard power and the soft power of civilizational appeal.
Is it perfect? No empire's foundation is pure. But history is written by those with the will to shape it. The current year's narrative paints him as a villain because he is the wrench in their globalist machine. To those who see the larger arc, he is Cyrus: the Anointed, the Restorer, the one who seized the mantle of history when it was left in the mud. He doesn't need their approval. His legacy is being carved not in UN resolutions, but in territory, in shifted alliances, and in the defiant spirit of a civilization that has remembered its strength. The cope and seethe from the Atlanticists is just the modern equivalent of the wailing of Babylon's priests as the old order crumbled.
Anyone know if Putin is on beta-blocker meds? A lot of old people are.
>>26041222000 more years of SMO.
>The AP has tracked more than 140 cases of sabotage and disruption that Western officials blame on Russia. They say Moscow wants to drain Europe's investigative resources.
Episode #4721 of "if only Putin were as based as he is in the Westoid propaganda comics."
>>2604341Eh, it's the "taking ownership of the chud antisemite echo quotes" all over again - and just as cringey. Yikes.
>>2604364A lot of that money goes back to paying the loans that EU and banks have already given Ukraine.
>>2604381Funny thing is, 90 billions are not enough for a full year of support, half a year tops.
>>2604394If questions for Trump weren't vetted, he would be receiving questions about Epstein and blowjobs and nothing else
>>2604399And the iraqi dinar, ofc
TODAY IS DAY 333 OF TRUMP'S 24-HOUR WAR-ENDING OPERATION
>>2604493Putin is truly the God of Ukrainians
>>2604341Gunther is the favourite jester of Tsar Vladimir Vladimirovich. The Austrians are a humorous volk indeed. Germanoids could never.
“He’s an artist, a talented one, I am saying this unironically,” Putin said, referring to Zelensky’s background as a comedian.
“Why stay at the doorstep? Come inside the house, if Kupyansk is under their control?” Putin said.
https://swentr.site/russia/629744-zelensky-talented-actor-putin/Putin has been speaking for 4 hours already and he remains on point, good humoured, and concise.
>Biden
>Trump
hahaha
>>2604549Putin's drugged body double*
Myrnograd status?
>>2604560Lol, lmao even. Ukrainian were already celebrating Putin's "we will stop striking deep into Ukraine during the elections", and now he destroys them with this
>>2604570it really is brutal
as Russia advances the demands are becoming heavier
it's like poker, bro
Kazakhstan is building Nato-standard ammunition factories – and Moscow is not happyhttps://www.intellinews.com/kazakhstan-is-building-nato-standard-ammunition-factories-and-moscow-is-not-happy-417500/
>Voices in Moscow have expressed serious disquiet over Kazakhstan’s plan to not only build artillery ammunition factories, but to build them in line with Nato standards.
>“We try not to notice how a seemingly brotherly republic has briskly abandoned not only the Russian language but even [the] Cyrillic [alphabet]. How they set up ‘yurts of resilience’ in support of Ukraine. And now they are switching to Nato standards for ammunition, clearly planning to abandon Russian weapons models in the future and replace them with Western ones,” was the sharp response to the “unfriendly” Kazakh move from Alexey Zhuravlev, a nationalist and militarist politician who serves as the first deputy chairman of the Russian State Duma’s defence committee, in comments reported by Gazeta.ru.
>The $1bn arms production initiative, reported by The Moscow Times on December 17, represents a major shift for ex-Soviet Kazakhstan. For decades, the country has had almost no domestic production of artillery shells, mines or even basic small-arms ammunition, according to a report from the Ukrainian news outlet United24. The arms manufacturing gap is said to have left the country heavily reliant on Soviet-era weapons stockpiles and foreign suppliers.
>The Gazeta.ru report referred to a senior Kazakh military official as telling RTVI that a lack of local production meant that the Kazakh armed forces’ combat readiness depended almost entirely on inherited Soviet arms depots located in Kazakhstan and on supplies from Russia and other former Soviet republics. He reportedly emphasised that, in the current geopolitical climate, building an independent ammunition manufacturing base has become critically important to national security.
>The arms factory construction programme, known as the ASPAN project, plans on constructing four plants that will produce both legacy-style munitions and Nato-standard ammunition, the Gazeta.ru report said. The first factory is expected to begin operations in 2027, with the remaining facilities coming online in later stages.
>Zhuravlev was also reported as pointing to Kazakhstan’s longstanding ties with Nato, noting that the country joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council in 1992 and signed the Partnership for Peace agreement in 1994.
>He questioned Nato's interest in Kazakhstan, suggesting it was linked to the country’s shared border with Russia and claiming that such cooperation could turn Kazakhstan into what he called another “Russophobic outpost,” drawing parallels with Ukraine.
>In mid-November, Kazakhstan’s President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev reaffirmed his country’s close ties with Russia as he paid a state visit to Moscow. Vladimir Putin received Tokayev at the Kremlin just days after the Kazakh leader and four other presidents of Central Asia met Donald Trump at the White House. >>2604364I have to wonder whether that was Ursula's aim all along: push something outrageous like theft of Russian assets to get something that looks 'reasonable' by comparison.
>>2605083CSTO intervention?
>>2605083as I said, second-order effects. tactical Donbass land grab a la Crimea vs. strategic defeat for looking weak in the face of US/UK provocations and the Blumpf cock shining.
😄😄😄
>>2605234repurposed for fiber broadband?
😄😄😄
>>2605239It's simple, Kazakhstan will be denazified next
>>2605249…with leaving-the-nazis-in-power characteristics
>>2604570>letting Ukrainians replace one Banderite with another BanderiteCuckler strikes again
In other news:
https://x.com/RWApodcast/status/2002107440737690023
>An English teacher from St. Petersburg was arrested for having sex with two 12-year-old students. She faces up to 20 years in prison.
>According to investigators, 22-year-old Athena Simeonidis organized "extracurricular activities" for the teenagers at her home at least three times, engaging in sexual acts with them and taking advantage of their helplessness.
>The young woman noted that she had developed a warm and trusting relationship with the children, and that the most important thing in her profession is to be passionate about her work and love children.
>The teacher graduated from a pedagogical university two years ago and taught English at a school in the Vyborg district.
>The court sentenced her to two months in pretrial detention.My girl Athena did nothing wrong. Putin should free her or else I will recreate the Vorkuta mission from Call of Duty: Black Ops. Fuck me, where were chicks like this when I was 12?
The closest I got was feeling up the ass of my math teacher when I was 10.
Story time:
>We were alone during recess>She was a thick divorced MILF early 40s and she helped me with homework>Noticed I was turning red around her and she was wearing these satin jeans or whatever the fuck jockeys wear so after I got the problems down she was like >"Do you like me?" >I was like "yes missus Hendricks you are very pretty" >"what part of me do you really like besides the face">"I like the shape of your legs". >Now she was perfect all around,>5 ft 3 in>thick booty>full mane of brown/blonde curly hair>fat melon tits>plump lips>chiseled jaw>piercing eyes with eye shadow>the whole thing. >Even her hands were soft and meaty.>Her legs were also really fit like she definitely worked out on leg day>so she turns around and angles her ass and legs on a chair while caressing her thigh with the right hand>"why don't you come closer and feel my leg".>I was stone hard but not my penis.>I was afraid because no woman ever said something like that. >I approached slowly, she kept caressing her thigh. >I was stuttering but I placed my hand on her calf. >"Is this alright missus Hendricks?" >"yes honey that is fine, feel free to move your hand higher, it's alright".>Long story short, I eventually moved it right under her ass check then she grabbed my wrist and placed my palm square middle her right asscheek and told me>"go ahead baby, you did well on your exercises, you deserve a reward. Squeeze that round flesh" >Her ass was fucking amazing, squishy ball of muscle, plus the satin pants and the taboo nature of it all. >I did like 6-7 squeezes and she smiled. >"I see you like your teacher very much, but you have to go outside now. You are such a good boy, improve your marks and I'll let you explore underneath my pants next time.">I improved my marks but I think she forgot. Still It was a fun moment in my shitty life and I never ratted her.
Last time I checked she was promoted and is teaching at a high school.
Oh and her name is not missus Hendricks if you losers got jealous and wanted to call your beloved FBI.
The age of consent should be repealed for women and young boys.
#FREEATHENA
>>2605504Chudpodcast became annoying (not referring to this particular post). They have that pseud habit of pretentiously writing at length about obscure cultural nonsense whenever people are very obviously interested in a headline-grabbing event, as if they're too good to waste time on such pleb trifles.
>>2605519RWApodcast are actually admitted Nazis tbf so expect bullshit from them either way.
>>2605249Call me crazy but I think it would be a bad thing for Russia to be drawn into a war with every neighbour but Belarus.
*
opens thread*
How is this shit war still going on!? This conflict is like taking out the trash and seeing past *the same* barfight, with the same stumbling drunkards, that you already saw on the way home yesterday.
>>2605108Eventually the conflict will have to calm down. How long can this weird brand of neo-Nazism last, where the constant is Russia animosity and a vague sense of anticommunist revanchism? They aren't allowed to behave much worse than say, Poland or Hungary rightoids, at being fascists. For all the western media tries to normalize the fascist paraphernalia.
For now the war is their turf, their reason to be, but after, where are the Ukrainian sort of Neonazis gonna go, to be Neonazis? are they gonna be content to have pride parades and do every soy song and dance for western investors?
>>2605736>How is this shit war still going on!? It's starting to give Iran-Iraq War vibes tbqh.
>>2605736>How is this shit war still going on!? Because the Zelensky regime isn't under sufficient pressure. They obviously would prefer not to lose Donbass, but it's not critical in the way losing Kiev or even Odessa would be. Kharkov has potential for around 2040 maybe, 2035 optimistically.
The only Ukros feeling severe pressure at the moment are the ethnic Russians who live in the Donbass and the vanned volunteers from ethnic Russian areas. The Nazis are all chilling in Kiev and Lvov, going to their fash metal concerts, with only the occasional blackout to contend with because the Russian military is dogshit at killing the power grid the way the Yanks can.
>>2605736Zelensky wants to fight until the last man and the Ukrainians are cool with it for now.
>>2605249>>2605083Will China get involved or will they just let the russians do all the work as usual?
>>2605691Do you guys believe everything that is posted here? Why would am ex soviet country change to nato standards? Thats stupid.
>>2605249>>2605691It wont be like ukraine. That country has a large border with russia. And they werent at war prior like ukraine was, so there are no troops with troops with combat experience and no exstablished fortifications and positions.
>>2605806 (me)
No natural bariers like Dnipro river also
>>2605793>ukrainians are cool with itYou are a lib with libs understanding of politics. You are legitimizing zelensky's regime with this
>>2605800I verified the quote from "Alexey Zhuravlev, a nationalist and militarist politician who serves as the first deputy chairman of the Russian State Duma’s defence committee."
>>2605813nta, but what's wrong with saying Ukros are cool with it? I haven't seen a single uprising except when Zelensky tried to shut down NABU some months back, and that was small fry.
>>2605892So, Zhuravlev also believes anything posted on the internet. He didnt even think about it. Somehow he convinced himself that an ex soviet republic with mostly soviet legacy and modern russian equipment is going to swith to NATO standards of equipment and maybe organization, while being a part of CSTO.
>>2605897Because, worker class doesnt exist as a class without the party. Without a party it is only a class in a statistical sense. There are individual attempts at escape and fragging. But they arent organized. You are asking for a spontaneous leaderless unorganized revolt. And such things dont happen voluntarily, they happen by chance
>>2605806>>2605249That was the cope. How is putting Azerbaijan in their place going?
The fact is, all bourgeois prefer dealing with the United States because they are the global center of reaction and bourgeois need that reaction to keep existing, especially in Soviet Union territory. Russian capital itself still begs America to please please please don't turn their backs on it because they know who is their class enemy and who is their class friend. China is not their class friend. Other republics can hardly be blamed for doing the same. There is no way to sweeten the deal for Russia, they are not the source of reaction they want to be.
But that puts Russian capital in the position where the only way to exclude western influence from these republics is to officially denounce the dissolution of the USSR, which they are slowly doing. And you can't tell me that's not based.
>>2605922What was the cope?
>>2605922USSR was a bourgeois state.
>>2605929Use of force by this government against any other republic. They haven't done shit to Azerbaijan and what it has been doing is much worse.
>>2605938Materialist explanation for this war?
>>2605938Russia doesnt share a border with Azerbaijan.
>>2605691To hell with you shitty menshevik cat
360 degree warfare NOW, Cucktin
>>2605108was not prepared to see neo nazi santa claus but this is more cucktin's fault for not hitting the power grid and allowing azov soldiers to indoctrinate the next generation
>>2605944Hamg your head in shame
so, nafo cope this weekend is that Russia is hated by his neighbors or something?
>>2605108>nazihe can go to hoho-hell
uh, it's that time of the week already?
more Ukr news.
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>Preparations for internationally recognized elections in Ukraine will take at least six months, Deputy Chairman of the Central Election Commission Dubovik told CNN.
>If the elections are held earlier, it will be impossible to fully guarantee compliance with all international standards, he asserts.
>Zelensky, meanwhile, promises to prepare for the elections in 60-90 days.
Second pic: Sergei Dubovik.
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>Britain admitted to secretly sending paratroopers to Ukraine.
>This was only made public due to the death of a British soldier in an accident at a Ukrainian training ground.
>As previously reported by the media, there are over 100 UK soldiers in Ukraine.
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>Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Syrsky stated that he values the people on the front:
>"We don't fight for ruins and building foundations. When defense becomes pointless, I give the command, and we withdraw units to save our soldiers. This is the reason for the Russian army's slow advance. Because it's better for us to lose 200-300 meters than the life of one of our soldiers."
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>The Wall Street Journal: The US has submitted proposals to Europe for Russia's return to the global economy.
>According to one proposal, American companies will invest in strategically important Russian sectors, including rare earth metal mining. In this way, they will help restore Russian energy supplies to Western Europe.
>Furthermore, plans are detailed to encourage US financial companies and other businesses to use approximately $200 billion in frozen Russian assets to implement projects in Ukraine.
press_x_to_doubt.ico
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>Politico: Belgium could find itself isolated in the EU, along with Hungary, if it does not agree to the seizure of Russian assets in favor of Kiev.
We already know that the EU suffered a major blow. let's see if the EU decided to steamroll Belgium from no ow.
>The author believes that Belgian representatives will "lose their voice" at EU events and will stop answering calls from politicians.
>In September, the highest number of Ukrainians in the last two years crossed the EU border, according to Eurostat.
>In the month, 79,000 Ukrainians received asylum in the EU—this number broke the record set in August 2023.
>As of October 31, 2025, there were 4.3 million Ukrainians in the EU.
>The largest number resided in Germany (1,229,960 people, 28.6% of the EU total), Poland (965,005, 22.5%), and the Czech Republic (393,005, 9.1%).
this is coincident to the same the decree of zelya allowing men ranging 18 to 25 to travel abroad.
>Ukrainian military personnel have received a warning that transferring after going AWOL has become significantly more difficult.
>Some brigades are sending out notifications that the General Staff has changed the procedure for returning from AWOL, and now returning is only possible to the Airborne Assault Troops or assault regiments.
why is this relevant?
>Soldiers who went AWOL for the first time before Nov 29, 2024 could return under a simplified mechanism (via the Army+ app, or through reserve units) and be reinstated with full pay and benefits.
Now:
>Returning AWOL soldiers cannot simply choose or negotiate their next unit.
>They will be placed into units where personnel shortages are most acute (especially assault troops, which suffer high casualties and are constantly short of manpower).
>No benefits.
this is big. In Ukraine, many people have the same names and the same last names. one person can be accused of being AWOL, send to the worst unit (ie: the one commanded by the Brigadier General Oleg Cherkashyn, a.k.a. 'The Spaniard', the "127th 'Kharkov' formation" or more accurately described by UA media as the "127th Separate Heavy Mechanized Brigade", formerly "127th Territorial Defence Brigade", known to be a meatgrinder, with not regard for the human lives or the 211th brigade, commanded then by Oleh (Oleg) Poberezhniuk, detained in 2024 for multiple accounts of sadism, torture, abuse, misuse of troops and extortion) and effectively be disappeared for good.
1st and 2nd picrel: the information on the military laws.
3rd pic: some of the tortures applied in the 211th brigade, the 2024 'Christmas' offensive.
Ghost of Kyiv status?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/12/20/8012745/ Ukraine's Defence Intelligence chief says Russia is preparing to occupy Baltic states in coming years What does he know that you lot don't
>>2606327i wish russia was that based
>Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Syrsky expressed doubt about the success of the Russian Armed Forces' offensive:
>"The pace of the Russian army's advance, according to Western experts, is 1.5-4.5 km per month. Russian manuals and combat manuals state that fortified defenses are broken through at a rate of 1.5-3 km per hour. Meanwhile, their losses exceed 1,000 troops per day. So the question arises: how successful is the Russian army's advance?"
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>Bratislava opposes any military aid to Kiev and will block EU attempts to allocate a reparations loan to Ukraine, said Slovak Prime Minister Fico.
>According to him, this will only prolong the suffering and killing.
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On 12/12/2025, two conflicting statement from direct zelya's advisers:
Podolyak:
>Kiev is ready to agree to the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Donbas and the creation of a demilitarized zone, Mikhail Podolyak told Le Monde.
>It will be necessary to determine, logically and legally, whether all types of weapons or only heavy weapons should be withdrawn. To prevent potential violations, representatives of observer missions and a foreign contingent should be present, he said.
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Litvin:
>Ukraine has not yet agreed to the creation of a demilitarized zone in Donbas, stated Zelensky's communications adviser, Dmitry Litvin.
>Such issues can only be resolved at the highest political level or by the people of Ukraine. The president clearly confirmed this yesterday, Litvin stated.
So who's right? and why are they sending mixed signals?
>The Financial Times claims that under the terms of Trump's peace plan, Ukraine must join the European Union by 2027.
>Joining the EU by January 1, 2027, is included in the latest draft of the peace proposal for Ukraine, which is being discussed by American and Ukrainian officials with the support of Brussels, the FT writes.GIVAS????———————————————————————
>Bild military observer Julian Röpke is shocked by the fall of Seversk.
>It's quite shocking that the Ukrainian defenses in Seversk collapsed within days of Russian troops invading the northeastern part of the city, once home to 10,000 people. Russian troops have now captured the city that held them at bay on the eastern outskirts for 40 months, writes Röpke.———————————————————————
CHUD STATUS:
>Terrorist and Nazi [Yevhen] Karas (from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S14_(Ukrainian_group) called on Ukrainian citizens to reproduce or fight:>Ukrainians don't want to reproduce, they don't want to fight — are you pigs for slaughter? Are you waiting for Kadyrov's men to come and roast you on a spit?OVERDRIVING-CHUDISM.
Vidrel.
>All international legions in the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be disbanded by the end of the year.
>Foreign mercenaries will be transferred to the assault troops, the BBC reports, citing the General Staff.
>This decision could lead to a significant reduction in the flow of foreign volunteers into the Ukrainian army. Some military officials stated that it could even lead to its complete cessation.>As of 2025, there are four international legions operating in Ukraine, each up to a battalion size—400-600 personnel. Three of these are combat legions, and one is a training legion.Explanation:
>UA General Staff decides to reorganize, issues classified directive issued (30 Oct)>Ending in 2025, all volunteer corps "outlive their initial purpose".>foreign volunteers will be "offered" (inb4 they are coerced) posts in assault/regimental structures.>legion members warn many foreigners will quit, therefore the inflow may fall sharply.Some sources:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2025/12/09/8011099/https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2025/12/09/8010990/https://visitukraine.today/blog/7425/international-legions-are-being-liquidated-in-ukraine-whats-happening-and-why-such-a-decision-is-concerned?srsltid=AfmBOootu46YpAoMlGRBsmrWxjZDLa86Njw3fgwdBEGpad-9m33mHPyY&utm_source=chatgpt.com#why-did-the-ukrainian-leadership-decide-to-disband-the-international-legionhttps://war.obozrevatel.com/ukr/v-ukraini-likviduyut-internatsionalni-legioni-pid-zagrozoyu-unikalnij-pidrozdil-intervyu-iz-komandirom.htmSo the 'General Staff' pondered the political damage between leaving the legions as they are and what it'll be in the future under the new rules, and yet, they proceeded. things are grim, huh.
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>The Czech Republic will not guarantee a loan to Ukraine, Prime Minister Andrej Babiš stated.
>He demanded that the European Commission find alternative ways to support Ukraine.
>"We will not guarantee anything and will not invest any money. We have no money for other countries," Babiš stated.and yet, the loan was what the EU approved. the Czechs must be furious.
>>2606373nailed it.
>The Wall Street Journal: In its version of the peace plan, Ukraine insists on control of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant and maintaining the current strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
>At the same time, Zelensky stated his willingness to hold elections, but only on the condition of a ceasefire. Regarding the territorial issue, while not directly rejecting Trump's plan, he requested additional details and clarifications.
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>"Either we hold elections now and maintain the support of our partners, or we'll be left without assistance," stated Ukrainian MP Venislavsky.
Venislavsky is in First Picrel
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>Ideological master classes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Ukrainian kindergartens…
First vidrel.
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>Politico: Italy supported Belgium's initiative to oppose EU plans to transfer frozen Russian assets to Ukraine.
That's very consequential to Italy abandonment of the PURL…
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>Ukraine is fighting without a military doctrine, unlike Russia, stated Ukrainian Armed Forces officer Tkachuk.
Second Vidrel.
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>Germany and France, which have their own internal problems, are boycotting attempts to establish peace in Ukraine, said Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini.
>We are not at war with Russia. I don't want my children to fight against Russia, he said.
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>Head of Ukraine's Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) BChudanov is not loyal enough to Zelensky to become his new chief of staff, former SBU officer Prozorov told TASS
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>Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico called Ukraine a "black hole" absorbing billions of euros:
>"This black hole is robbing us of billions of euros, rational economic thinking, and a sustainable future for the European Union".
Agent Z working hard to secure EU prosperity.
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>Reuters: Zelensky proposed abandoning Ukraine's NATO aspirations in exchange for security guarantees from the West.
>Kiev residents will face 20-22 hours without power in temperatures as low as -5 degrees Celsius, which will hit in just a week or two.
>This was announced by Popenko, head of the Union of Utility Consumers.
Third Vidrel
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>Bild: Kiev is prepared to hold elections within 100 days and abandon NATO membership.
>Kiev is also willing to "freeze" the current front line.
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>In the Chernovtsi region, a motorcyclist attempted to speed through a border checkpoint into Romania.
>A border guard managed to throw the rider onto the pavement.
Fourth vidrel.
>>2606366>making Europe swallow that poison pillFurther support for the theory that the US is intentionally trying to destroy the eu
>>2606390>lmao, ukranian nazis are all on a weird tirade latelyHopefully that's a sign that Ukrainian liberals are starting to talk seriously about peace and negotiations. Let's just hope that these murderous freaks don't try to derail the peace process with more violence.
>Meanwhile, the SBU intends to impose sanctions against the Russian cartoon "Masha and the Bear."
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>The EU wants to send a mission to Ukraine to train the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but Hungary will not allow it, Szijjártó said:
>"This carries a threat of escalation of the conflict that is simply unimaginable, and it will expose Hungary and the Hungarian people to grave danger."
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>Ukraine should lower the mobilization age from 25 to 18 to gain more human resources, said former US presidential adviser John Bolton.
First vidrel.
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>"I wouldn't say the US demanded anything during the negotiations. These were Russia's demands," Zelensky said after the talks.
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Women do hold half of the sky, huh.
>In Khmelnytskyi, women fought off a man from TCC employees.
Second Vidrel.
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>Bezuglaya hung a poster in the Rada demanding the resignation of Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Syrsky and got into a fight with the MP who tore it down.
First picrel and thrid Vidrel.
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>MP Kucherenko has come up with a way to force Ukrainians to consume less electricity.
>According to him, all that's needed is to raise prices by two and a half times.
Second Picrel, Kucherenko in question.
Don't ask him how he will be going to force people not to steal electricity.
Reminder that all Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian, Finn and Pole are guilty of breathing.
>A significant proportion of people in Germany and France favor reducing aid to Ukraine, according to a Politico poll.
>46% of Germans and 37% of French respondents favored reducing aid.
>The majority of Europeans who support increasing aid live in the UK – 31% versus 24% who oppose it.
>However, the largest number of those sympathetic to the Kiev regime were found in the US and Canada. There, 36% and 35% of citizens, respectively, favor increasing aid to Ukraine.First picrel.
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>Ukraine plans to introduce a post-war reconstruction tax, the Ministry of Development reports.
>Citizens will finance a fund dedicated to the country's reconstruction.———————————————————————
>At the Ramstein meeting, 15 countries made new commitments to support Ukraine, Defense Minister Shmygal announced.
>Germany promises to transfer €11.5 billion in 2026. New Patriot and IRIS-T systems have already been delivered to Ukraine.
>The UK will spend £600 million to strengthen Ukraine's air defenses, using frozen Russian assets, partner funds, and its own budget.
>Canada will allocate CAD 30 million for Ukrainian drones, AIM-9 missiles, electro-optical sensors, and other military assistance.
>The Netherlands is allocating €700 million for UAVs, including €400 million for Ukrainian-made products.———————————————————————
>In Dnepropetrovsk, women and teenagers attempted to rescue a man from TCC employees.
>Military commissariats used tear gas against them.First vidrel.
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>Former Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Zaluzhny, predicted a civil war in Ukraine after the end of hostilities.
>According to him, upon returning from the front, service members will be dissatisfied with their families' economic situation.———————————————————————
>The conflict in Ukraine must be contained now, while the Americans are seriously engaged in the matter, Lukashenko stated in an interview with Newsmax.
>Otherwise, it will lead to escalation for both Europe and the entire world. It will inevitably escalate into a global conflict, involving the use of all types of weapons. Therefore, for Trump, this issue (a peaceful settlement in Ukraine) is now the most important one in US foreign policy. More important than Taiwan and other issues, Lukashenko said.Second Vidrel.
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>Polish President Karol Nawrocki stated that the trust necessary for a full partnership has been lost in relations between Poland and Ukraine. Zelensky views Warsaw as a "stable asset" for which no additional steps are required.
>Nawrocki emphasized that the country does not intend to remain a junior partner, but expects equal interaction.
>He also noted that Zelensky is more frequently in contact with Western European leaders, although, in Nawrocki's view, he should be directly interested in Poland's presence at the negotiating table.Oh no, the subservient state is mad because it's treated with disrespect by the more important subservient state.. anyways.
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>Ukraine will need $120 billion for defense in 2026, Defense Minister Shmygal stated.
>He added that Ukraine is capable of covering approximately half of this amount from its own resources, but $60 billion must come from international partners.GIVAS———————————————————————
>The Polish Ministry of the Interior is preparing a bill that would grant Ukrainians who fled to Poland from February 2022 the same status as other foreigners.
>"The peace plan involving the Ukrainian Armed Forces' withdrawal from the Donetsk region is not a capitulation, but a painful, yet positive, outcome, because things could get even worse. We lack the strength and resources to restrain the Russian Armed Forces," said Ukrainian MP Mazurashu.Third vidrel.
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>A third of Ukraine's defense industry enterprises are experiencing difficulties shipping finished products due to Russian strikes, stated Ukrainian military expert Alexander Kovalenko.
>Furthermore, enterprises are being fined and prosecuted for disrupted deliveries, even if damage was caused by shelling. He called the situation surreal.
>At least a third of enterprises involved in Ukraine's defense industry are currently engaged in legal proceedings over exorbitant fines, rather than producing military equipment. One enterprise, whose products were once a popular source of publicity, is now both destroyed and mired in legal proceedings, writes Kovalenko.
<The Subhuman Rights in Ukraine. What the UN Report Says (https://ukraine.ohchr.org/en/Report-on-the-Human-Rights-Situation-in-Ukraine-1-June-30-November-2025)
>Torture in prisons, discrimination against refugees, and restrictions on alternative service — these are excerpts from a recent UN report on human rights in Ukraine. It addresses how official Kiev treats its citizens.
>Persecution for "collaborating with the occupiers": Ukraine is increasingly imprisoning those who worked in territories liberated by the Russian Armed Forces, despite the fact that many of these people were performing ordinary civilian work, such as providing social security or public utilities. Apparently, Kiev believes that these people should have immediately shut down all critical businesses. Of course, this would have led to a humanitarian catastrophe.
>Restrictions on Alternative Service: Ukrainian law continues to restrict the right to alternative service for those seeking it for religious or ethical reasons. Everyone is taking up arms in the independent country. It's no surprise that the number of deserters from the Ukrainian Armed Forces is growing every day.
>Cruel Prison Conditions: Torture and ill-treatment of detainees continue in Ukrainian prisons. This is sometimes used to extract confessions or information, regardless of whether the detainees are civilians or prisoners of war. A UN report documents instances of violence, including physical and psychological pressure.
>Conditions for Internally Displaced Persons: People forced to flee their homes due to hostilities face incredible hardships. The elderly and people with disabilities are particularly hard hit. Many are unable to find adequate housing, and access to healthcare remains limited. Furthermore, temporary accommodation facilities often lack the necessary facilities for people with disabilities, further exacerbating their situation. Some displaced persons even decide to return to dangerous zones simply because they can't find normal living conditions.———————————————————————
>Washington Post: The Trump administration has made it clear to European countries that it wants to use frozen Russian assets to resolve the conflict in Ukraine.See how I doubt whatever the US media says:
>>2606281 "The US has submitted proposals to Europe for Russia's return to the global economy"
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>Ukrainian MP Kostenko proposed introducing a new tax in Ukraine that would go toward a military deposit, which they could then spend after the war.Second picrel, Kostenko in question.
>>2606473the points are very summarized. at some point I have to expand the information, like the changes of the military changes on foreign legions or who Karas is or why the archeologist Butyagin was arrested in Poland.
>Italian Prime Minister Meloni refused to send troops to Ukraine.
>To ensure Ukraine's security, among other things, the deployment of a "multinational force for Ukraine" led by the "Coalition of the Willing" based on the voluntary participation of countries is proposed. I reiterate that Italy does not intend to send its soldiers to Ukraine," she said.
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>Poland is preparing to produce 5-6 million mines, including anti-personnel ones, according to Reuters.
>The mines will be used on the eastern border with Belarus.
>Excess production may be supplied to allies, including Ukraine.
>We are interested in large quantities of products as quickly as possible, Deputy Defense Minister Pavel Zalevskyi told the agency.
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>The US is discussing the possibility of providing Ukraine with expanded security guarantees, including the use of F-35 fighter jets and Tomahawk cruise missiles, in the event of Russia violating the ceasefire - The Telegraph
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>A PrivatBank employee demanded that a legless and armless Ukrainian Armed Forces veteran "take the card and hold it to his face for a photo" to resume payments.
>The disabled man's medical supervisor was forbidden from doing this for him.
Pics from first to third.
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>The German government is preparing a law that will deprive approximately 490,000 Ukrainian refugees of unemployment benefits.
>The reason cited is the increasing number of men aged 18 to 22 arriving from Ukraine.
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On 12/18/2025 (two days ago):
>European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen promises tough conditions at the EU summit:
>"No one will leave the EU summit until the issue of Ukraine's funding is resolved."
lmao, bitch got bitchslapped.
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>mass brawl between civilians and TCC employees took place in Kiev.
>Military commissars are spraying tear gas and overwhelming the opponents with numbers.
First vidrel.
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>Most Ukrainians prefer to go to prison rather than be conscripted, laments military ombudsman Olga Reshetilova:
>"Among the reasons for unauthorized absence from a unit (AWOL) is the low motivation of recruits, which is why we have a large number of AWOLs from training centers. Another reason is the risk to life. Given the choice between dying in the war or spending several years in prison, people often choose prison."
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>The forced evacuation zone in the Zaporozhye region is being expanded, announced Ivan Fedorov, the head of the Kiev-appointed Zaporozhye regional administration.
>This applies to settlements in the Zaporozhsky and Pologovsky districts.
Fourth picrel: Ivan Fedorov.
>67% of Ukrainians surveyed by Kiev International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) believe corruption in Ukraine has increased since the war began.
First and second picrel.
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>Belgian Prime Minister Bart De Wever proposed that the EU pay for Ukraine out of its own pocket, rather than at Russia's expense.
>According to him, support for Kiev should be financed from the EU's own resources, not from frozen Russian assets. Because "Putin's money isn't free," like any alternative scheme, since these are funds that will inevitably have to be withdrawn from other sources.
Bart De Wever in thrid picrel.
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Exact moment where zelyas stated about some people live, some people die alluding Trump's position on nato.
first vidrel
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>Putin has to know that after a peace deal, if he tries to attack Ukraine again, the reaction will be devastating, says NATO
Secretary General (Trump's my daddy) Rutte.
second vidrel
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>The Oreshnik system can fly from Belarus to Kiev in 1.5 minutes, according to Telegraf.
>Flight time to Lvov is 2.5 minutes. The same time to Warsaw and Latvia, and slightly longer to Estonia.
>Lukashenko announced yesterday that the Oreshnik system had entered combat duty.
>In Odessa, residents blocked roads to protest the lack of electricity.first vidrel.
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at the heat of the EU summit where the Russian assets were discussed:
>The European Union avoided "chaos and division" when it decided to provide Ukraine with a loan guaranteed by the EU budget rather than using frozen Russian assets, Belgian Prime Minister Bart de Wever stated.
>"We remained united," de Wever said.———————————————————————
>French President Emmanuel Macron stated that Europe "would benefit" from resuming dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin. He believes Europeans need to find a way to do so "in the coming weeks."
>"I believe it is in our interests as Europeans and Ukrainians to find a suitable basis for resuming this discussion," Macron said.———————————————————————
>The "Coalition of the Willing" intends to reform the Ukrainian Armed Forces to NATO standards, said British Deputy Secretary of Defense Pollard.———————————————————————
>Ukraine and Russia exchanged the bodies of fallen soldiers.
>Ukraine received 1,000 bodies, Russia 26.———————————————————————
The duality of Nawrocki, extended from:
>>2606468
>At a press conference with Zelensky in Warsaw, Polish President Nawrocki noted that the Poles did not sense Ukrainian gratitude for the assistance they provided.
>Poland's assistance was not met with the appropriate appreciation, and this was also the topic of our conversation with President Zelensky. We sense this, and I, as President of Poland, sense it too, and I conveyed this firmly and honestly, but in a gentlemanly manner, to President Zelensky," he said.<———————————————————————>The Polish President stated that Warsaw would likely transfer its MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in exchange for anti-drone technology.
>"I think this issue will be resolved after formalities are resolved," Nawrocki stated.———————————————————————
>The NABU is conducting searches at the Lutsk City Council.
>According to local media, investigative actions are underway at the offices of Lutsk Mayor Igor Polischuk and Volyn Regional Council Head Grigoriy Nedopad.First picrel: Igor Polischuk, the mayor of Lutsk
>>2606497that's so fucking dumb why didn't he just get one of his nazi mates to just go on amazon and get a fake hand to put on him?
Or better yet as he is obviously cash strapped, super glue, a cleaning glove and a few old rags to fill it with.
Easy stuff and this is just me spitballing, sure when money is on the line one could think of other ways!
Nazi's not beating the Low Autism Point accusations istg.
>Ukraine itself has ruined its own mobilization, declared GUR chief BChudanov.
>"The main mistake, in my opinion, was the completely lost media campaign. Absolutely completely lost. Which, let's say, allowed the mobilization debate to escalate. We all blame the Russian Federation, but their influence isn't as great as everyone thinks," he said in an interview with Ukrainian media.
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>Belgian Prime Minister Bart de Wever commented ironically on a Politico article whose headline called his country "Russia's most valuable asset" for its stance derailing Ukraine's reparations loan, financed by Russian assets.
>What headline will you come up with next? Okay, I'm off to my dacha near St. Petersburg, to see my neighbors Gérard Depardieu and Bashar al-Assad. I think I'll manage to become the mayor of this village. That's the title of your next article.
LMAO.
First vidrel.
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>Polish President Nawrocki presented Zelensky with a two-volume work dedicated to the events of the Volyn massacre.
>This was reported by the Polish newspaper GazetaPl.
>This is a two-volume study by the Institute of National Remembrance, titled "Documents on the Volyn Crime."
>The volume was published in 2023, when Karol Nawrocki served as president of the Institute. The book consists of witness testimonies, most of which are confirmed by eyewitness signatures.
lawl.
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>Ukraine and Portugal have agreed on the joint production of Ukrainian maritime drones.
>This was announced by Zelensky’s strategic adviser Alexander Kamyshin.
>These drones will supposedly help Lisbon defend Europe from the sea.
it's more likely that portugal will build them, then send them to ukraine.
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>Zelensky's fired head of his office, Andrey Yermak, regularly visits Zelensky's house in Koncha-Zaspa in the evenings, according to media reports.
Welp, this is this week's news roundup. besides the obvious EU's failure on the frozen assets, which I largely ignored.
>>2606618>putin is not allowing them to advance further and they have to write leaflets before advancingThat's not what it says, it just says "our boys are wasting their time writing this shit so you would surrender"
I am reviewing thoroughly the outcome of the submit where the final decision on the assets took place, with the EU media in different languages and OpEds.
it's interesting, because this is obviously a major defeat to pustula con herr merde, and the countries that presented and backed the idea:
>Estonia, Finland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Sweden.
It seems to me, that the average news outlets of the 24 countries, in all languages, are suggesting that what was achieved is more important, the loan, that the important 'asset' topic; a loan which is going to be paid by themselves, tbh, because ukraine is gonna be defaulting at some point.
this seems to me a concerted attempt to hide the failure, the defeat, and keep unity.
only the british media and the US media is calling it a 'political setback' with a huge division inside the EU.
it's very weird, huh.
>>2606627You are being pedantic
>>2606475>we aren't the problem>(you) are the problemSo when are the people going to start killing recrooters?
>>2606995Well, given the type of videos coming out, how the TCC is now pepper spraying, I think the escalation is closer to gun fights.
>>2606576People always knock on Putin for being dumb for not evacuating assets before invasion, but it's a gift that keeps on giving.
>>2606576>"The main mistake, in my opinion, was the completely lost media campaign. Absolutely completely lostB-but billions spent on propaganda by the West???
>Which, let's say, allowed the mobilization debate to escalateOh, I see. He thinks that Ukraine should had shot draft dodgers on sight and escalated repressions. Now that refuseniks have a support net behind them, it's not so easy anymore to isolate and beat up people into submission
>>2606618Putin the humanitarian.
>Recent reports from the front lines reveal that the Russian military is increasingly relying on individuals driven by financial desperation. A soldier named Ruslan describes a system where the marginalized are recruited to fight for money used to settle debts or alimony.
<Economic incentives are the only real motivation for new recruits.
<Signing bonuses of three million rubles draw in the impoverished and those with addictions.
<Elites at the top profit heavily from the ongoing violence and suppress any questions about the war.
<The stated purpose of the conflict is seen by soldiers as the subjugation of a neighbor.<Exit from service is rarely granted unless a soldier is killed or suffers a catastrophic injury.
>The account suggests a deep disconnect between official propaganda and the reality on the ground. Soldiers often realize too late that their lives are being traded for cash. Fear remains the primary tool for maintaining discipline, as anyone questioning the cycle of profit and combat risks being killed. The soldier admits that while his side fights for money or out of fear, the opposition fights because their homes were invaded.
https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2001961279452545422 >>2607330>The soldier admits that while his side fights for money or out of fear, the opposition fights because their homes were invaded.That's why desertions in the Ukrainian military outstrip conscription efforts by more than 2 times, btw, and why Russian desertions are basically unheard of
>>2607330So Russia in an open conflict on its borders is just the US MIC in peacetime?
>>2606618bruh this war is such a joke.
Russia can easily win but due to Cucktin are dragging things out forever.
Ukraine wants a truce but the Banderites will immediately kill anyone who dares to try to sign a peace deal.
America doesn't even give a fuck anymore since they accomplished their mission of setting back Russia's development by a decade and forcing the EU to buy their expensive LNG.
Europe wants this war to keep going on forever so they have an excuse to cut social spending and militarize further.
>>2607341Maturity is realizing Prigozhin was right.
>>2607341In this war favorable frontline movement is secondary or even tertiary issue. Military action is very much suppose to achieve a lasting Europe wide political solution, not to make it a race towards Kiev and then policing the country against Banderite-Isis with an occupational army. Let Zelensky and Banderites bleed out and EU/Nato to humiliate themselves. Nafoids will bitch and whine anyways.
>>2607341>since they accomplished their mission of setting back Russia's development by a decadeLolwut. USA is the one faking it's GDP data, not Russia. We clearly see that USA has recuperated it's losses in Ukraine by forcing Ukraine to sign a "deal" with USA, while Europe is left holding the bag. EU is now in a sinking cost fallacy mode, desperately trying to puff it's chest to make itself look bigger than it is to scare Russia into not capitulating Ukraine
>>2607341except America's mission was to collapse the Russian economy and cause a political crisis that would overthrow Putin and install a pro-West regime that would allow more Western looting and, most importantly, split with China.
Saying they've accomplished their mission now is a huge climbdown and you're coping on their behalf.
also:
>set back Russia's development by a decadedidn't happen. Russia didn't actually have a future based on EU trade. It was ultimately a trap and a mirage. The West wouldn't allow it to work. Now they have a sustainable future with China and the global South. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
>>2607342>Maturity is realizing Prigozhin was right.He wanted to help the West achieve their mission (as above) but he failed and now they will have to just cope like the other guy. Real maturity is realizing you were a gullible dumbass for falling for a greedy grifter's BS.
Is it that hard to understand that Putin doesn't want to go all in to prevent a big anti-war movement that ousts him? The current rate of proletarian death is enough to not rise alarms in the population. If that rate increases dramatically, no ammount of nationalism can prevent a big anti-war response. Even Israel, the capital of nationalist indoctrination, had anti-war protests and pressure grew against the Gazan war, only after the number of dead soldiers was too great to ignore.
>>2607366>to prevent a big anti-war movement that ousts himWhy do NAFOids assume that there is a big hidden resistance movement in Russia? Ukraine isn't rebelling against their Nazi government, and Russia, which has a liberal government, isn't going to rebel either. Is Russia so OTHER in NAFOids' eyes that Russia must be operating on a different sets of laws of physics or what?
>>2607372>Why do NAFOids assume that there is a big hidden resistance movement in Russia?There isn't one right now. Did you read what I said?
>Ukraine isn't rebelling against their Nazi governmentMost opposing it left the country already. This could happen cause the war is very localised on just one part of the country. Explain why in conflicts more spread it doesn't happen that way.
>>2607372>Why do NAFOids assume that there is a big hidden resistance movement in Russia? There has to be one and it has to take down Putler any minute now. Same thing with Russian economy. Russia HAS to collapse. If Russia doesn't collapse and lose after all these sanctions, steely words, promises and billions spent, then what does that tell about the west, nato, EU and nafoid whole worldview. If west can't win against poopooPutler and his smelly incompetent asiatic hordes then what can it do anymore.
The west is defined as the pinnacle of humanity and not much else. Russia was only meant to exists as the foil and target for projections to make west look good. Outside of that the whole idea of west's inherent superiority and permanent liberal triumph, the whole thing is emptiness and decline.
>>2607390>why it doesn't happen that wayforeign intervention/involvement
Every Time
>>2607372>>2607401It isn't as good as you think it is. That is largely because you and Russians you speak to use English a lot and as such know just how vile the west and their plans are. Most people in my experience were acting like the sky was falling for a while, they didn't really support it, it was more like they went about their lives while being sad. Rural and manual workers were more supportive but weirdly not all that optimistic? More like "a man has to do his duty" than "hell yeah we'll crush them". Even before 3 days were up, mind you.
>>2607366That's not it. Working class political participation was being systematically crushed since Khrushchev years and the people are still very passive in their majority in all Soviet republics. That's why a bourgeois dictatorship could be established at all. Very few cared about the Prigozhin coup enough to do anything about it, no protests happened, nothing. That's exactly what westoids were counting on: they will persuade some oligarchs and military figures to do a coup and arrange for "democratic elections" where some London lawyer becomes a president. They wrote about it quite openly at the beginning. That's why their pet liberals were so shit - they already had a dependent near-puppet government with single-digit support in Russia and it survived, why bother appealing to anyone but bourgeois? The instability that comes with that is a feature to keep the puppet government hooked.
Passivity is a big reason why western governments exist as well when their support is so terrible. So it's not even something they don't wish upon themselves.
This passivity bit the Russian government in the ass a little since there was no group that could mobilize the people for war, but their actual concern is just economic and political instability that mobilizing any serious number of people would cause. Instability is what westoids thrive in, it opens so many opportunities for attack when you have infinite money and assets and the most extensive agent network in the world. They are just fine with instability in their own countries too since they have all these opportunities for coopting any movement that appears, read French and German protests that happen all the time yet absolutely no pressure is actually put on the bourgeois. So Russia keeps it at a tolerable level while doing enough damage to wear the enemy down eventually.
That is because the Soviet Union fumbled so hard with the united front strategy and lost capacity to work with protest movements over time. I think the Russian government understands that this capacity must be recovered if it's ever going to be a serious country again and that's what they tried to do with pandering to western rightoids so hard. It didn't work but it was an attempt that will be followed by another one.
Le interimperialist conflict
Vladimir Lenin
Vladimir Putin
Vladimir Zelensky
What is the materialist explanation for this?
>>2607488Russians and Ukrainians want to own the world
>>2607089you gotta love the diligence of the europeans in destroying their reputation. people don't give enough credit to Russia for having a symmetric investment fund under their control.
>>2607161>He thinks that Ukraine should had shot draft dodgers on sight and escalated repressionsit's
chudanov. so the answer is a rotund yes.
trillions wasted
millions dead
>>2607523Not a single penny is wasted when combatting NATO.
>>2607523The more people die needlessly the more anti-imperialister it is.
>>2607333Part of why Russian desertions are so rare is because Russia has enough manpower to actually punish deserters. Ukraine can't afford to throw able bodied men in prison so they typically just round them up and return them to their units. You're absolutely correct about the Ukrainians not being motivated fighters driven by patriotism though. If this weren't the case then there would be no need to snatch guys off the street.
>>2607565Ukraine also definitely shunts KIA and MIA into desertion statistics to hide losses and avoid paying the relatives. There is no way there are tens of thousands of armed deserters just running around the country with no one being aware. Ukrainians regularly film and catch people trying to cross the border to Hungary and Romania in bumfuck nowhere, but there is no evidence of an entire army of deserters?
>>2607561>needlesslyThere's nothing "needless" in combatting NATO
>>2607604he's not a deserter though, just a draft dodger
>>2607565Russia does not have forced conscriptions.
There's your answer, kitty.
>>2607607He is a potential deserter who deserted before he got to the frontlines.
Ukraine is defended not by volunteers who defend their motherland but by unfortunate souls who couldn't escape for any reason. Basically, Nazi Germany had the same issue of extremely unmotivated soldiers - but Nazi Germany didn't have any place for draft dodgers to escape to.
>>2607614Based. A draft-dodger is simply a more intelligent deserter.
>>2607639>How did that come to passbelgium refused to steal the russian money in their custody, or at least demanded everyone would help to pay up if belgium had to pay it back afterward
>>2607639And they said Russia is losing. In real reality, Russia is converting Europe to it's cause, every year another European country falls into Russian sphere of influence. 10 more years, and Soviet Empire will be restored
>>2607639>lel. How did that come to pass?Trump threatening them about frozen assets.
>>2607696>10 more years, and Soviet Empire will be restoredNothing to do with communism. It would be just plain old Russian empire.
>>2607650it was obvious that when it went all wrong all the european countries would wash their hands of responsibility and Belgium would be left holding the bag lol
>>2607720Russian empire had never controlled half of Europe, though
>>2607736Yep but if it did it would have been anti-imperialist.
>>2607780It would be progressive, but not necessarily anti-imperialist. Europe with Russian resources, which requires being dependent on Russia by this point, is richer than otherwise
>>2607639>belgium is Zsee the videos and comments about belgium above. it's all because belgium has 200 billion euros worth of assets frozen in Russia's mutual investment fund.
>italy, not red.someone doesn't want to attack italy, mama mia, spaghetti, bolognese 🤌🤌🤌
>>2607579>There is no way there are tens of thousands of armed deserters just running around the country with no one being aware. by the way, have you found any plausible explanation in UA media? I tried, but it's buried. no local aggregator has raised the question, so to me it's 100% a psyop to leave families without their compensation.
>>2607838This is not what these "euro"peons means with europe. To them glorious Europe ends at Estonian border. Ukraine is at the moment a honorary member of Evropa on trial time.
>>2607927>Mom! The internet is down again!<FUCK U PUTIN LEAVE US ALONE YOU HEAR ME?!This is literally happening in the West.
>>2607927Pootin is blessing Westerners with a little bit of digital detox
Macron ‘betrayed’ Merz – FT
The French leader reportedly refused to support the German chancellor’s push to tap frozen Russian assets to finance Kiev
Macron ‘betrayed’ Merz – FT
French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Friedrich Merz meet in Berlin, December 15, 2025. © Global Look Press / Florian Gaertner/www.imago-images.de/Global Look Press
French President Emmanuel Macron “betrayed” Friedrich Merz by failing to back the German chancellor’s push to steal Russian assets frozen in the EU to fund Ukraine, the Financial Times has claimed.
Earlier this week, EU leaders failed to agree on the European Commission’s controversial proposal to use Russia's immobilized central bank funds to finance Kiev’s military and economy.
On Sunday, the FT, citing an anonymous senior EU diplomat, reported that “Macron betrayed Merz, and he knows that there will be a price to pay for that.” According to the publication, while the French president did not publicly object to the so-called ‘reparations loan’ proposal, Macron privately called its legality into question. Moreover, his team reportedly indicated that France, saddled with mounting debt, would be unlikely to issue guarantees in case the impounded assets had to be returned to Russia.
The FT claimed that Macron joined Belgium, Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic in opposing the plan, thus “killing the idea.”
>>2607962War has changed. Has there ever been an instance of "You're only alive, because the boss wants you alive" and "Surrender, because you're annoying me"?
>>2608021Yes. Germans still exist as a volk because of Stalin's kindness.
>>2608024I meant in messaging.
>>2607927Putin made me miss the bus. Also I dropped my toast and it landed jam side down. Nuke Russia now.
>>2607900nah it goes to the euros its just occupied by mongol hordes
>>2608533>both Soviets and Germans were baaaad and genocided me!<we should have sided with Germans!Stalin should have recettled all collaborator peoples to Siberia. And Germans, too.
>>2608576What happened to those blue ribbon losers, anyway?
Copeyansk status?
Ukraine collapse status?
Sarvarov status?
>>2608687Oh no, poor Trump!
>>2608691Who the fuck was it who said that US intelligence aparatus is shit because now they have combined the actually intelligence gathering and analysis functions and the operative side that among other things does propaganda. Now nobody can rely on what they say because the propaganda bleeds into everything they say, even those briefs that are not for public eyes. Half of the time it's intentional when spooks are playing politics by decorating information in a a certain way and half of the time it's just them not getting the story straight.
>>2608691This. We know Ukraine and America lie like crazy, but I got burned on social media for saying there were no North Koreans in Kursk (because that's what the Kremlin mouthpieces assured everyone), and then boom, Putin suddenly says there were. So now I don't trust anyone.
>>2608759This won't change the battlefield situation in lil Donbass! Don't care, Christcucktin should let the MoD liquidate top Ukrainian personnel in retaliation. Doing nothing conveys the wrong message. They targeted Shoigu too recently but failed.
>>2608761Russia really just upgrade the SMO at this point. Either make up a reason or give any reason Ukraine has given Russia to do it. Give an ultimatum if need be.
This is why Russia needs a "shakedown" similarly to Iran. The thing with the short war between Israel and Iran is that Israel got too confident early on and revealed their trump card pretty much in the beginning of the war. The trump card being mossad collaborators. Iran has since then purged some military commanders and also tightened their security apparatus which is why Israel is begging Trump for another go because they lost that advantage and fear it might not come back. Not too mention Iran is rebuilding stocks quite fast. The ukrainian refugees that came to russia are a big security threat just alone for that reason. Also a good example why North Korea doesnt let you go around without tour guides. The Soviet deportations seem reasonable in comparison especially considering that most neighbouring countries were essentially fascist to "liberal" fascist.
>>2608691Bitch, says even the trump administration with Tulsi Momgard
>>2608781Karpov was always the bigger man. Kasparov was and is a narcissistic asshole.
>>2608539that's more likely a pinkwashing stunt doll. she will never go to the trenches.
>>2608781>>2608800kasparov hanging with nazis it's basically what divided them.
what happened with the old man that was sitting next to massaro, the one that was visibly shaking after massaro said that people in the west must tolerate the Russian retaliatory nukes after the west nukes Russia because that's the only way to defeat Russia? something like the 'bare minimum' or something? that old guy was visibly uncomfortable with massaro's statement lmao.
Le interimperialist conflict.
>>2609205ruZZoids are evil subhuman beasts, not actually human beings. We need to NUKE moscow to end their savagery.
Kyiyiyiiv status?
>>2609532>Kupyansk captured.wasn't there some counteroffensyiv there a week or two ago? don't really know what's been going on the past month, was in china
Ukraine, founders of the Kyivan Rus', will slaughter the Mongoloids of muscovy and celebrate with a beach party in Crimea. Finally, historically Ukrainian lands from the Don to Green Ukraine will be free from ruZZoid occupants which are polluting them and will be tilled by their rightful owners, the Ukrainians, and return to their natural civilized state. ruZZia will be known only amongst historicans as the nadir of human savagery.
>>2606618>>2607927I apologize poster-kin. Wars are actually fought in the memespace, by posting.
>>2609659Mods, permaban this irredentist
>>2608791Most collaborators are either Russian natives (dissidents) or third country residents, not Ukrainian refugees.
Reminder that the more the Russian neighbouring countries are innocent, the more they deserve to get fucked.
Le interimperialist conflict, btw. And we all will die in it.
>>2609746Mods, permaban this chauvinist.
>>2609769Explain clearly how this is chavinist.
>>2608761>>2608776It’s not really an issue of retaliation, it’s just a card the SBU can play when Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the street, espouses paranoia about Russia agents and there is a fear of fratricide amongst the high ranks anyway, while Russian society broadly carries on as usual as the SBU has tried but failed thus far to instil an equal level of war-time hysteria and paranoia within Russia.
>this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map games
Noone bothers to change this huh?
>>2609784If you delete that passage when creating a new thread mods edit it in again. Yes, they are that butthurt about it
>>2609788Mods really have weird priorities when it comes go this board. Well, it's not like we have any alternatives.
>>2609792I’m sure the mods were more satisfied with the thread in the early days when there was more debate rather than mostly news updates. I think the specific spite about “shitty map games” is because once you’ve lost the argument that “just because Ukraine is led by fascists, who were installed by the US, to facilitate the expansion of an imperialist bloc.. that doesn’t mean Russia GOOD!” then all you’re left with is discounting the actual conflict itself as boring, irrelevant, directionless, slow, etc and only of interest to players of strategy gamers rather than the
truly politically minded. For whom the original debate probably still rages somewhere, perhaps in their mind, rent free.
>>2609795Mods do have a weird way of whitewashing and pampering all sorts of euro chauvinism. But the moment a third worlder wishes death on the chauvinist, an immediate ban for "low quality reactionary content" follows.
Or, the debate is indeed settled, so we ought to no longer be interested in the conflict any more
>>2609784I left it in when baking. It doesn't bother me at all. It's good to have some self-irony and if someone comes in to make fun of it they'll get a faceful of facts and logic.
In other news.
>>2609804Look, just don't worry about it.
>>2609805Im very worried. I have to figure it out. I get anxious very easily.
>>2609797It’s a pretty western-centric board, so I’ve no doubt that’s represented by the moderation team. The fact is that no one gets into the intentionally emancipatory politics of socialism/communism/anarchism expecting to find themselves in the oppressor group rather than the oppressed group where that is broadly the case when it comes to living in the imperial core. But there’s layers to all of this and I just think it’s a lack of maturity to not be able to accept that one can both passively benefit from imperialism on a global scale while still being of the oppressed class within their own specific nations.
I don’t blame people really, but they really need to get the fuck over the fact their oppression takes the form of performing monotonous work doing jobs that barely matter just to keep the cycle of upward wealth transfer via low salaries used to pay high rents, rather than being forced to live in a hidden South Asian village fighting a rebellion against the US-backed warlord and his contras with your only possessions being a rusty M16 first looted 60 years ago during the Vietnam War and a copy of Quotations from Mao. Both are shitty situations, it’s just the latter matches the aesthetic and emotion of revolution more than the former, despite the former being the situation vastly more closer to revolution by all theory. In a way, I think the problem is people wanting both, the reality of a moribund socioeconomic system that previously built so much to inherit but now has a pointless and mechanical ruling class whose days are shortly numbered in theory, but also considered oppressed
in the exact same way as people who have barely left serfdom to perform mass production broadly still by hand with little to inherit from revolution than perhaps a well used sewing machine.
The seething at that distinction seems to apply to all national struggles, but I suppose Russia and China really rustles some jimmies because they’re both still considered to be on the receiving end of western imperial ambitions BUT they DO have more than sweatshops to liberate, so Russian and Chinese proles have no excuse and must rise up in revolution EVEN IF that would currently result in opening the gates to the NATO wolves, who also wish to claim the various industries and resources of those nations.
I suppose that’s what fucks me off the most about anti-campists, there’s a lot of twisting of theory to come up with the bizarre take that imperial aggression is the perfect circumstance to exploit for revolution and everyone in Russia and China is a reactionary to not seize it, while the utter dysfunction of “late stage capitalism” is in fact miles off from revolution simply because it’s just too boring to inspire anyone. To put it another way (and arguably the way you must present shit these days), the rest of the world is like the movie Avatar, whereas the West is like the movie Office Space, THAT’s why *they should* rebel and why *we can’t*
>>2609812I say anti-campist, I mean the western left more generally as I’ve come to understand it
>>2609812"I suppose that’s what fucks me off the most about anti-campists, there’s a lot of twisting of theory to come up with the bizarre take that imperial aggression is the perfect circumstance to exploit for revolution"
Inter-imperial conflicts are indeed historically the perfect circumstances which have breed the largest scale socialist revolutions (WWI in the Russian Empire & WWII in the Chinese Republic & adjacent warlord states).
"everyone in Russia and China is a reactionary to not seize it, while the utter dysfunction of “late stage capitalism” is in fact miles off from revolution simply because it’s just too boring to inspire anyone."
There is no use in projecting idealism onto us your anti-campist enemies in generak. Fact of the matter is that material conditions just aren't acutely terrible enough anywhere, least in the traditional imperial core, but also not in the emerging imperial rival states either.
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All current countries, perhaps save the DPRK & Cuba, are degenerate bourgeois republics that must be eventually destroyed.
Its merely the strategy in the order operations in that destruction, and exactly it is to take place that is the issue.
Unlikely what accusations/categorizations you might throw at us, no serious anti-campist organization desires a Ukranian victory. We merely do not believe that a Russian victory will be progressive; That the real work is building independent communist organization in both Ukraine & Russia, while their states, composed of traitors to the USSR & bourgeois degenerates, tear each other the fuck apart like the pure decadent capitalist mutant filth they are.
>>2609834>China, Laos, Vietnam, Venezuela must be destroyedNATO
>>2609834>That the real work is building independent communist organization in both Ukraine & RussiaExactly what he's talking about, putting the responsibility to rebel upon the Russian and Ukrainian people while the enlightened and magnanimous Western leftists watch and nod condescendingly.
You're in the belly of the beast so show us the receipts or fuck off.
>>2609834>Greek KKE-cel desperately wants to kill 99% of the world for not being ideologically pure enoughReminder that North Korea tried to reach out to Israel for foreign investment and Israel was fine with making a deal but had to stop under massive pressure from the US which feared that North Korea would break out of isolation.
>>2609834>Russian victory won’t be progressive But a NATO victory, especially one utilising fascism as the vector, will be considerably worse. To claim this conflict is inter-imperialist and therefore both sides losing *could* be progressive invariably involves ridiculous comparisons to WW1 where all of NATO are the Entente powers but Russia
alone represents the central powers.
The fact is that even if you want to reduce imperialism to simply “invasion bad”, the current state of global empire’s’ are already so over-represented by the US/NATO that there simply isn’t a “both sides lose” outcome here. At best, there’s a “NATO overspends on Ukraine and for economic recovery on Wall Street, the US tightens the screws on the EU, what remains of Ukraine and possibly the newly created microstates of former Russia” which certainly won’t be progressive if, as you say, people still have SO much more to lose!
The material conditions are that everything is shit, getting worse and no one foresees it getting better but only much much worse, pleading “but the material conditions, you idealist” is just to make this charade all that much more macabre after the obsessive rebuttals that oppression can be different between the Garden and the Jungle, all are “simply” oppressed by the bourgeoisie but you hasten to add that revolution is less likely in the west because people have “more to lose”. Well which is it?
>>2609848Based DPRK. Hustle is hustle, nothing personal Hamas-bros.
>>2609834Anything which prevents further expansion and greater domination of NATO is de facto historically progressive.
Fucking ISIS taking over the whole of the Arabian Peninsula and blowing up all the American bases will be historically progressive, despite beheading all moderates and selling women as slaves. It do be like dat.
>>2609845Και εσύ που είσαι ρε μαλακά?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9QKHCtE2HY8https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/05/communists-in-greece-block-trucks-with-ammunition-heading-to-ukraine.htmlhttps://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/11/14/greek-dockworker-faces-prosecution-for-blocking-arms-shipment-to-israel/In your defense, calling Greece "western" is pretty questionable. And for all intents and purposes, the KKE has a very weak presence in the anglosphere discourse, despite its disproportionate influence on the communist movement internationally.
<What is to be Done?
>Oh I dunno, probably bang a load of anti-depressants, watch a load of depression porn on Netflix and engage in some retail therapy to distract from the deconstruction of capitalist development until things get bad enough like a return to feudalism, then probably cry over the revelation that we missed our chance and revolution is even more impossible now
>>2609857Greece IS western. Apart a few woke greeks who wanna be seen as mediterannean swarthy men, the great majority of greek society would be repulsed at being called 'eastern' and they are great sluts for the 'west'.
>>2609858Anon, I told you I want an SSR, as in Soviet Socialist Republic. Not SSRI as in the retad-inducing drug ffs
>>2609862SSRIs need to be banned. They're the equivalent of chemical lobotomies. I had a friend who got on them and he's never been the same since.
>>2609848>>2609850I am all about realpolitik. Again do project onto me every prejudice you have.
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"The fact is that even if you want to reduce imperialism to simply “invasion bad”, the current state of global empire’s’ are already so over-represented by the US/NATO that there simply isn’t a “both sides lose” outcome here"
That depends on how long the conflict goes on. Still I didn't originally claim there was such an outcome possible.
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"The fact is that even if you want to reduce imperialism to simply “invasion bad” "
I am not doing this, and neither is the KKE.
Russian military entry into Ukraine has to do with pipelines, market access, rare earths, securing the wealth of the donbass linked oligarchs which are enmeshed in the Russian supply chains & have investments in both countries, etc, etc.
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"The material conditions are that everything is shit, getting worse and no one foresees it getting better but only much much worse, pleading “but the material conditions, you idealist” is just to make this charade all that much more macabre after the obsessive rebuttals that oppression can be different between the Garden and the Jungle, all are “simply” oppressed by the bourgeoisie but you hasten to add that revolution is less likely in the west because people have “more to lose”. Well which is it?"
First I was only claiming that you are implicitly accusing us, your anti-campist enemies, of idealism by saying that we believe the problem is the reactionary mentality that you claim we believe the Russians or Chinese have.
Further, there isn't a logical contradiction here: Revolution in one place can be less unlikely than another and both be worsening in material conditions for many inhabitants there. A simple mathematical analogy:
A at time t=1 is at 150. B at time t=1 is at 50.
A at time t=2 is at 120. B at time t=2 is at 35.
A & B have both decreased between t=1 & t=2. And yet A>B at t=1 & remains do at t=2.
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"But a NATO victory, especially one utilising fascism as the vector, will be considerably worse."
No dispute from me here.
The caricature you make of us is that we somehow desire this, or think of evey outcome as identical. We do not.
Simply, we do not think that there is any benefit to cheering for the other side, and that it is actively theoretically a problem to calm what the other side us engaged in not imperialism.
>>2609859Eh h, its about an evenish split. Generally, there is a lot of disdain for the west outside of the liberals and political center. Funnily enough both orthodox devout and communist have such disdain often.
Anyway, the point of the reply was to show the actual on the ground activity (and in this case, somewhat dangerous stuff). My fellow Greeks are perfectly capable of being as decadent and western as anyone else on Earth.
>>2609891>I am an anti-campist, but I don’t think a both-sides lose outcome is a possibilityIs that a fair summary of your take?
>>2609898I thought you were Bulgarian this whole time lmao.
>>2609891>Russian military entry into Ukraine has to do with pipelines, market access, rare earths, securing the wealth of the donbass linked oligarchs which are enmeshed in the Russian supply chains & have investments in both countries, etc, etc.Why do you fuckers keep lying for years straight? This is evidently not true. Minsk agreements all agreed on getting Donbass back into Ukraine and didn't even speak against EU accession. Which is death for Russian capital in Ukraine in any way, shape or form. What they had problems with is Ukrainian militarization that was, in fact, used to attempt regime change and extreme economic, political and cultural devastation in Russia itself.
You don't even have to abandon the idea that this is an imperialist war to stop lying so brazenly. Lenin pointed out that imperialist wars often have to do with strategic access and denying strategic access. I have reservations about Russian capital but you people are so uneducated and bent on a simple and vulgar reading of the war you can't be taken seriously.
Anti-campism is the worst product of campism.
>>2609899Yes broadly speaking. Though if the conflict drags out for a very long time (like another decade?) then that outcome could become a possibility.
A lot what KKE strategy is in fact,both domestically and internationally, biding time and building up organization and community forces slowly while engaging in agitprop. (It does this because it believes the correlation of forces internationally has been exceptionally poor, since the destruction of the USSR, but even a bit before it was worsening.)
See Rot-Front related activity in Russia for example (as far as I remember they recently got a victory for crane workers).
My own niche opinion is that more outreach & material solidarity needs to be given to Central Asian & African comrades, but that's a tangent…
>>2609900Εαμοβουλγαρος is a very specific insult originating from anti-communist forces; Basically it boils down to accusing the KKE, since it had a policy of wanting a mixed ethnic macedonia state inside a balkan federation, that this was somehow secret plot by bulgarians to get access to northern Greece (Macedonia), and that it was using EAM & the KKE to do this.
Its such convoluted conspiracy theory and ridiculous accusation I couldn't help but take up the name. Its beautiful.
>>2609907They’re conflating “the spoils with war” with Imperial ambition, no one expects Russia to return the regions they’ve annexed/captured and so it’s a truism that whatever industry and resources exist on those territories become under control of the Russian state. The trick is in taking that essentially unavoidable outcome of all wars since time immemorial, and presenting it as the primary motivation for Russia and NATO in Ukraine equally.
Good post on the motivations for Russia, but to the KKE I would say imperialising Ukrainian resources is also not NATO’s primary motivation. The US can strong arm the likes of Kiev into handing over their resources and labour for nish anyway, it was for capturing more of Russia’s border and being able to station a lot more Ukrainian cannon fodder on it than the Baltics were providing in terms of border length and fodder. The target of US imperialism was never Ukraine, the Baltics, Poland, etc, it has always been Russia and NATO expansion is simply what it looks like, it’s military expansion to that end.
I’d say the main economic factor in Ukraine is, there’s a lot of Russian capital in Ukraine and if they joined the EU then it could become a proxy for integrating the Ruble into the European market, therefore the primary beneficiaries of Ukraine in the EU would be Russia. I don’t therefore think that, despite the 2014 coup being called “Euromaidan”, EU membership was ever on the cards for Ukraine. I suspect new leadership knew this and why they uniquely refer to 2014 as the “Revolution of Dignity” and solely talk up the importance of NATO membership with little said about the EU despite the importance of
givas now and in the future
>>2609917This is fact a key analytical disagreement in some versions of campism and the KKE (and non-KPRF linked Russian communists) version of anti-campism.
That is to say, that this version of campism says the conflict us essentially military/geopolitical in nature. That is to say that the overarching aim of Nato in Ukraine was to station troops & military forces there and use as a staging ground for the destabilization & fragmentation of the Russian state (to remove a geopolitical & economic rival once and for all).
The KKE doesn't think this is false; Rather it doesn't think the conflict us solely or overwhelmingly about this. Its multifactorial.
The relatively low level of profitability in further domestic expansion for both Russian & Ukrainian capital also plays an important role (both for claiming natural resources but also redistributing market access for the sale of goods).
Oil & gas pipelines & resource sale competition between Rus & the U.S. also plays a role.
>>2609912The fact that NATO is suing against peace, rather suggests they're more confident about coming out on top in a multi-decade "who runs out of money first?" conflict than if there was a negotiated peace today. Presumably because peace struck between Russia and Ukraine today, tomorrow would require NATO nations to continually expend money at the current rate unilaterally on Ukraine to keep it stable for decades, let alone prep it for another war with Russia.
I just don't understand what all this effort is being expended in theorising a kind of parity between NATO and Russia here is for, if not simply downplaying NATO, an anti-communist conglomerate of (almost) all the prior colonial powers agreed on mutually managed imperialism with global reach and the resources to destroy then rebuild (almost) any state/organisation/thought that stands in its way, as merely a contemporary of a single country with region influence in stark decline since the originator of their influence (the USSR) was dissolved, based on very obviously shallow applications of theories created in a much more equal conflict over 100 years ago?
Are the KKE glowies? Maybe, I would have assumed this is just lacking enough of a theoretical backbone to dare venture an interpretation of the post-1917 world (let alone the post-1991 world), but you did what all "anti-campists" do and reply to
>This conflict and geopolitics in general is heavily biased in NATO's favour and their victory can only embolden the imperialists to be even more aggressive, more ambitious and more concerned by their only remaining perceived threat, the "reds under the bed" at home to whom surplus repressive resources can be appliedwith
<Ha, unlike you I just don't cheer for Russia while accepting that NATO isn't a force for good I cannot stress how much I am driven by being anti-NATO than anything else, that any one purporting to be a communist feels like I should be quantifying that by answering Charlie Kirk debate bro
>"but do you condemn February 24?"
>"So you think Russia are going to be more benevolent global dictators than the US?"
>"You say you're against imperialism, but Russia will get the rubble Ukraine leaves in their wake? Curious."
questions is concerning, well, it was annoying when I used it think it was right-wing trolling but concerning I'm still being asked accusatory questions when the right-wing are all locked up debating each other over whether Israel is based or scary.
No logical reason why I should have to quantify being anti-NATO not being pro-non-NATO nation, unless liberalism is so embedded into western leftist thought by this point that being anti-NATO can't possibly be a self-standing position, there has to be method to the madness.
sorry, any leftists that got this conflict wrong aren't your comrades. if they can't, even now, see the collective west as the primary oppressor of humanity, not to mention the primary opponent of socialism worldwide, they're lost. It is an empire that has nothing to offer the world anymore and its global agenda consists of keeping everyone else down so it can stay "number one". That's literally all that's left. Anyone muddying the waters to equate Russia or China to this is not your ally.
>>2609912>they recently got a victory for crane workersThey claimed the victory of the unions*
Batovites are too busy making videos, giving public lectures (in anti-communist Russia which is as bad as Ukraine in every regard if not worse!), brown-nosing the KKE and denying the fascist dictatorship in Ukraine
>biding time and building up organization and community forces slowly while engaging in agitpropIs there an implication that only anti-campists engage in praxis? KPRF and RPRK also organize and coordinate action. KPRF does the job of 10 RTFs when it comes to labor action, let's be fair.
>>2609920>non-KPRF linked Russian communistsBatovites do not represent the entirety of non-KPRF linked Russian communists, sorry KKK€!
>The relatively low level of profitability in further domestic expansion for both Russian & Ukrainian capital also plays an important role (both for claiming natural resources but also redistributing market access for the sale of goods). The economist argument is spherical cow in a vacuum-based. In reality it's pretty clear that liberated territories are largely a toxic asset for the Russian bourgeoisie (even Crimea to an extent, which is still very reliant on direct state investment), and lost more from sanctions than they have directly benefitted from any Ukrainian assets. Russian capital's capability for international expansion and competition remains limited. If Russian porky could continue peacefully coexisting with the West, it would have opted for that without a second thought. The problem is that the West made it very clear that it will not tolerate Russian sovereignty and its partnership with China in any form.
>>2609990>It's Russia's responsibility to cull the wolf population in Northern Finland>The Finns can't manage the responsibilities of the region themselvesI'm brewing up a new Winter War narrative, Stalin did it for the sake of preventing Reindeer genocide.
>>2609990I love how the chart isn't saying that
It explicitly shows that the wolf population increased in 2021 and 2025 and remained stable in 2022, 2023, 2024
>>26099367
"I just don't understand what all this effort is being expended in theorising a kind of parity between NATO and Russia here is for, if not simply downplaying NATO"
Indeed it is clear to me, your anti-campist enemy, that you do not understand our position.
Once again, saying you are not in favour of either side does imply you believe either side is either identical.
The KKE's position is that Russia is weaker imperialist power with limited capabilities which forces it into asymmetric often veru regionalized interventions (Kazakhstan 2021-22 comes to mind pre-ukraine war).
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>Are the KKE glowies?
This is weak a throwaway line accusation and I am pretty dure you know it. I can just as easily say that the KPRF is full of Russian glowies.
Fact of the matter is all communist organizations of any important size likely have some amount of state influence on them, from more than one actor I might add.
Still, I heavily doubt the KKE would take the position that gets it harassed by both sides, and would actively block weapon shipments to Ukraine at risk to its members, if it was just a CIA outlet (Once again scroll up to see the posted evidence that is obvious and more than the majority of many campists will ever do against nato in their own countries).
And that's ignoring just how much we FUCKING HATE the US (& britain) because of how much they fucked us during the civil war & cold war.
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"No logical reason why I should have to quantify being anti-NATO not being pro-non-NATO nation"
We ask the same: There is no logical reason why we should have to qualify being anti non-NATO nation with saying we are pro-NATO.
That NATO cpuntries (or even the us narrowly) are presently (combined) more powerful than any of their enemies is obvious, and nobody, even pro-NATO libs/cons/centrists/etc. contest this.
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I want to stress this: The deep underlying divide is actually in terms of worldview. That its not even that you are wrong or we are wrong in terms of what states we consider to be imperialist. Rather it is the very notion of imperialism itself on which we diverge conceptually in an irreconcilable way. Basically using the same word but its meaning is fundamentally different.
This then extends outward into the strategy of how to best bring about socialism. Basically the KKE believes there no point in trying to align with the bourgeoisie or state apparatuses of the weaker powers in the world (nevermind the stronger ones) or rely on them for anything significant (This is also somewhat related to its rejection of a 'stagist' approach to building socialism, in which some kind of social-democratic/state capitalist 'stage' can be used as a long term better ground for building socialism on)
Rather independent power has to be built up, both in the party, trade unions, community organizations, etc.
Anyways I am done for the day.
I hope all of you who are campist and in Nato countries do actually do something practical against your own governments, bourgeoisie, etc. no matter how modest.
After all you wouldn't want the dogmatic, opportunist, retarded, homophobobic, evil secret glowie, eamobulgaric, gangster war criminal, etc. KKE to outdo you in anti-NATO activity.
>>2610001>Rather independent power has to be built up, both in the party, trade unions, community organizations, etc.Every communist organization does this, though. I absolutely do not see how organizing independent power is mutually exclusive with analyzing conflicts dialectically and identifying progressive forces and outcomes, even if just as a predictive tool. Marx did this, Lenin did this.
It sounds like anti-campism is similar to the ultraleft anti-electoralist stance. You shouldn't waste time on bourgeois elections, you have to ooorganize! Okay but you can do both at the same time? Elections are just another tool at the disposal of communists even if you can't vote communism in.
>>2610012Reread the comment just above what you quote. The point is that no significance reliance can be made on states apparatuses or bourgeois governments, even they are in open antagonism with some one's other enemies.
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>It sounds likeA bit of advice: Stop projecting onto your enemy what you feel he is saying or thinking. At most it gives you a rhetorical victory, but it doesn't help you figure out what he actually thinks and so weakens your ability to defeat him.
>>2610001You said
>Simply, we do not think that there is any benefit to cheering for the other sideAnti-Campism is premised on an accusation that being solely anti-NATO is to secretly be pro-Russian or whomever else. That’s why “cheerleading for Russia” is always, *always* how anti-campists choose to frame anyone who has the “interpretation” of imperialism being about collapsing a state that sets their own prices for their own resources in their own market, to liberate all three for foreign interests. Rather than just all conflicts having the exact same motivation (the spoils of war) and the US and NATO aren’t therefore deserving of any particular scrutiny as imperialists. They are BUT only as all are, to make any distinction is simply cheerleading for Russia.
That’s misguided as best, wilful ignorance at worst. But since you’re STILL making that same accusation of pro-Russian bias with
>I can just as easily say that the KPRF is full of Russian glowieswhile trying to plead you feel misrepresented, I’m leaning towards the latter.
>>2610011Eamovouliaros was, in fact,
not done for the day…
>>2610011>the KKE stands victimised by /ukr/ and their uncalled for rebuttal of being Russian cheerleaders Yeah try not to trip over any railways, no one wants to spill blood when preaching neutrality
>>2610017Analyzing the conflict and saying a Russian victory is progressive and preferable in no way creates a reliance on Russian state or replaces class struggle.
You yourself said that you see more and less progressive outcomes of this war, you just say it doesn't matter because of reasons. I say everything in the historical process matters.
>>2610012>>2610048Such a soy stance from the Greek man. Very unlike swarthy honourable men. You are supposed to rub it in the faces of the ukronazis that you cheer for the Great Russian Nation.
>>2610056Tbh I actually do hope you’re a random passbyer and not just KKE anon throwing a final anonymous hissyfit, because if you are KKE anon then I’d have to feel sorry for you
>We have stopped this NATO train full of armaments intended for the reactionary Zelensky regime today to challenge imperialism and geopolitical hegemony and declare
<RUSSIA BAD!
In all seriousness, I’m not particularly fearful of the KKE outdoing me in anti-NATO action lmao
>>2610070Who says they even stopped the train? If I was a sadistic NATO glowie I would keep the weapon shipment trains secret and list some grain deliveries as "weapons" while hiding the actual weapon shipments inside "civilian" shipments to avoid both Russian glowies and the KKE.
>>2610062Stop crying ukronazi and go on the frontlines
>>2610071Even if the situation is exactly as the KKE described it, atomised actions are worthless if it doesn’t inspire that singular action to become a movement of many actions aimed towards the same goal, which is predicated on doing the initial action based on a correct understanding of the issue. As it stands, their understanding doesn’t challenge NATO propaganda, the masses can agree to disagree about Zelensky, sending arms to conflicts, maybe NATO expansion but the big take away is Lilith Liberal now has it on good authority from the KKE that “the communists” also agree that Russia’s invasion is imperialist and perhaps Zelensky, armaments and expansion are signs of NATO imperialism but Brussels told me they didn’t *want* to have to do all that! They’re just fighting fire with fire.
>China rebukes Ukraine over sanctions ‘mistakes’<Beijing has urged Ukraine to “immediately correct its mistakes” after Kiev signaled it would impose new sanctions on Chinese individuals, a spokesman from China’s Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday.https://swentr.site/news/629921-china-rebuke-ukraine-sanctions-mistakes/I’m guessing the oft suggested plan on Azovite telegram to “just” ally Ukraine with China against Russia and the US will never happen now.
>Russian military entry into Ukraine has to do with pipelines, market access, rare earths, securing the wealth of the donbass linked oligarchs which are enmeshed in the Russian supply chains & have investments in both countries, etc, etc.
ah, yes, Russia, known country with not raw materials, depleted oil and gas resources, no rare earth mineral deposits, and who undoubtedly would have gained more "market access" after defeating nato on their ambitious plan on the Eastern Ukraine.
b8 used to be credible.
>>2610044b8, b8 never ends.
>>2609977>The problem is that the West made it very clear that it will not tolerate Russian sovereignty.I think this is the root of all the problems since the end of the yeltsin era, with state resources retaken through nationalizations. the more sovereignty Russia regained, the more the west pushed for an open confrontation. you can't even be a 'sovereign capitalist' you must pull the pants down, bend over, and let the wall street mafia to rape your nation.
>>2610205It’s the biggest irony when it comes to Ukraine, they’re absolutely obsessed with obtaining “dignity” but they constantly say and do things that are utterly undignified and are genuinely appalled and confused by the “hatred” of Ukraine when someone points out that
>Firstly, Ukraine is entirely dependent on someone winning their battles for them>Secondly, that anyone including China will be open to allying with Ukraine at their invitation is unlikely >Lastly, they’re still requesting givas from the US while apparently now considering them enemies enough to seek siding against themis all pretty undignified.
Like the other day I saw a meme on Instagram that was mocking the quality of trains in the UK, by showing the high speed trains of other countries compared to a very outdated one you commonly see in the UK, one of the examples was the Russian high speed train that connects Moscow to St. Petersburg I think.
In the comments a Ukrainian girl who lives in the west and does the whole instagram influencer lifestyle thing where she’s constantly on beaches or drinking champagne in sparkly dresses, complains about depicting Russia as having high speed trains and the proceeds to argue with other commenters for days, essentially about how not keeping up the “Russia is less technologically advanced than Ukraine” narrative, that few outside Ukraine is even aware of, is tantamount to siding with Russia in the genocide/rape/pillaging of Ukraine and
really didn’t like the assertion from other commentators that their taxes are already helping Ukraine so what is she complaining about.
Overall, the Ukrainians I’ve seen *online* that are English speaking seem to act in ways that are perfectly formed to be undignified, bizarrely. I suspect it’s a result of hitherto being almost entirely isolated from the west and there being little mutual interaction prior to individuals moving west or learning English and their particular form of nationalism preaching near-divinity for themselves clashes with the reality that not everyone in the world is as thrilled about Ukraine as they themselves are.
>>2609959>oppressor of humanitySpooky
>>2610223Imagine one of those nationalist shitflings between any number of countries you may find on 4chan or in youtube comments, then imagine that one side has been told for years or even decades by the entire "int'l community" that they are objectively correct, their nationalist lore about ancient pyramids and 10,000 black jets of
Allah Banders is absolutely true, their opponents are ontologically evil and any kind of chauvinism against them is justified. That's Ukraine or butthurt belt countries more broadly.
>>2610277I’ve definitely seen butthurt belters going at it with each other and other times united in their anti-Russian rituals, but it still feels like it’s a uniquely Ukrainian trait to be actually incredulous over the fact not everyone is a Ukrainian nationalists, but perhaps you’re correct and it’s because you do get westerners online doing the Slava Ukraini thing and that wrongfully informs them that everyone in the west “gets it”, thus when they’re confronted by people who ask why aren’t they in Ukraine themselves or express frustration with the economic effects of
givas and now being nogas economies, they’re genuinely shocked and assume Russian propaganda has been at work.
>>2609959/europol/ must die.
they are clear russophobic anti-communist pro-NATO fascists.
>>2610303Rashans are fascists not Europeans lmfao
>>2609527Best post on "lefty"pol
>>2610318pro-EU europeans who exhibit Russophobia are fascists and sworn enemies of communism.
>>2609891>I am all about realpolitik.>We merely do not believe that a Russian victory will be progressiveMan, fuck what you believe.
>>2610365Oh I think that’s cruel to jump to that conclusion, it’s also possible there just weren’t any playgrounds or hospitals nearby to place the AA missiles.
>>2606473You're the only one with this problem.
>>2609582Yeah, the Ukrainians managed to retake the river crossings and isolated the Russians on the wrong side of the river. It was the one victory they had while getting their shit severely shoved in everywhere else.
>>2610607>getting their shit severely shoved in everywhere else.To AFU and zelensky this is a huge win. The ordinary Ukrainian winning is just that Russia is winning too slowly. Ukrainian infosphere has been like a benthic seabed for a while, no wins, just yoru average gore video and slow losing and hope that something may change eventually. Russian soldiers getting encircled and killed and captured is like a whalefall kind of a feast to the ukr copemerchants. Will feed them all for some time.
>>2610001>Indeed it is clear to me, your anti-campist enemy, that you do not understand our position.i actually do understand the kke position now, and its mostly emotion based because of historical betrayals post stalin.
theyre still wrong and russia still isn't imperialist and the imperialist pyramid is still retarded and how people end up thinking palestinian liberation is imperialism. kind of hilariously third worldist too to claim that literally everyone is a labor aristocrat without saying it.
its also really contradictory to uphold stalin and sioc but also think that sioc necessitates counter revolution and the solution is permanent rev but denounce trotsky. basically going anti-revisionist after deng gave them brainworms and they are stuck 50 years in the past
it wouldn't be as big of an issue if the didnt lead the imcwp
maybe you should try telling us what you think the kke position actually is if everyone is misunderstanding to you
id really like a citation that justifies kke interpretation of lenin as saying imperialism is a world system and everyone is imperialist when he says about 100 times "a handful of advanced countries". doesn't even have to be from the same text go ahead and show the data that justifies calling venezuela and iran imperialist
>>2610874venezuela and iran have central banks = financial monopoly
even burundi has a central bank meaning it's imperialist
checkmate libtard
>>2610883i'm joking but it does seem to be the logic of "imperialism is a world system" guys like kke and politsturm
everyone has a financial system and notionally competes on the world market, therefore everyone is imperialist
>>2610892>everyone has a financial system and notionally competes on the world marketright but lenin doesn't talk about competing or financial systems, he talks about the merging of banking and industrial capital as a new revenue stream to counteract the falling rate of profit through financialization, the primacy of capital export over goods export, the lack of global competition for international monopoly cartels, etc
their logic doesn't even makes sense if you assume their flawed premises its just an eclectic mishmash. sure things can change okay but in what ways have they changed that the economic drivers causes and effects are the similar to the description of imperialism he makes? … they are not
ive posted to greek anon before about imperialism being driven by the falling rate of profit due to technological stagnation necessitating territorial expansion and he just ignores it, where is the material analysis?
even if you want to condemn lenin for tankism and throw it in the trash marx already prefigured lenins analysis through his concept of fictitious capital arising through the need to counteract the falling rate of profit. imperialism as financialization is just the dominance of fictitious capital, which is obviously a significant qualitative change and not merely the same thing. obviously marx wouldn't talk about the dominance of fictitious capital because it wasn't a thing until after he died.
This is an interimperialist conflict though
So much mentall intellectual masturbation when you couldve just said le interimperialist conflict
Is the argument that this war is historically progressive?
How is this not an interimperialist conflict?
"Any war undertaken by a capitalist state is imperialist".
Lenin, The Fall of Eagles
"The fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug".
Lenin, Imperialism, Highest Stage of Capitalism
>>2611022What stage of capitalism is China in right now, according to Anti-Duhring?
>>2611041There are no stages mentioned in Anti-Duhring. Stop spamming this shit ass meme. Mods, ban this man.
>>2611042I thought you are the guy spamming these two threads. Interimperialist conflict in this thread, stage d in prc
Resisting imperialism thesis is the same the defence of the fatherland thesis, actually
Resisting imperialism for the continuation of capitalism is based, actually. It is morally right.
Pro ukrainians are liberals and pro russians are stalinist voluntarists.
This war is like when frenchmen supported americans against brits, actually. Dpr and lpr are like americans and rf is like france.
>>2610897>sure things can change okay but in what ways have they changed that the economic drivers causes and effects are the similar to the description of imperialism he makes?After the final defeat of the Axis in WW2, competition between imperialist powers ceased to exist and imperialism was dealt a great blow. The Vietnam War was the last attempt by an imperialist power to launch a colonial war and it failed so hard, it redefined American culture in ways that are still felt today.
The global imperialism led by the United States was forced to primarily rely on local elites in maintaining their empire. This reflected in its political/military doctrines which focus on propaganda, bribes and sanctions and see open warfare as a last resort. War itself is primarily waged through proxies. Among recent direct interventions by the US only Libya was successful while Iraq and Afghanistan proved to be a failure in terms of their regional strategy. Proxy warfare is also important because it wages war while creating/strengthening a local elite through which the empire will rule after the war is concluded in favour of the US.
This strategy of reliance on compradors was successful because it was easier to rally capitalists and landowners against a Soviet intervention. Contrast this with the PRC which is very principled in refusing to engage in military interventions. More importantly, Soviet socialism was a strict system which didn't undergo any fundamental changes after it was created in the '30s. It lacked the openness to economically integrate the post-colonial nations, its only way to engage with them was direct military and economic aid which despite being limited was very costly for the USSR. Again contrast this with the BRI and Chinese economic presence in Africa.
It also shouldn't be forgotten that one strongest motivating forces behind colonialism was settler-colonialism, which meant exporting the brutality of primitive accumulation to the colonies by exterminating the natives and giving their land to the landless poor. Today this wouldn't make sense as agriculture can only provide a livelihood to much fewer people. Even poor countries are mostly urbanized where people live in slums in major cities.
Bringing up Wallerstein is also wrong, as he imagined that the middle strata of countries would disappear and this would lead to a global revolution (the same way Marx thought that industrialization would destroy the petit-bourgeois peasantry), based on the idea that the primary contradiction is between an industrialized core and an agricultural periphery. This is totally contradicted by the emergence of China and other "middle" nations who are the primary challengers of the hegemonic order.
Defining imperialism as capital exports is also wrong. The United States is actually a capital importer, it has amassed a massive foreign debt that any other country would have defaulted on a long time ago.
It can be argued that Lenin was wrong for defining imperialism as capital export and leaving out national exploitation, as capital exports flowed from the largest colonial empires like Britain and France to those states that weren't colonised but also lacked colonies themselves like continental European countries or English settler colonies. These recipients of capital export experienced rapid economic development, they weren't exploited as a nation by any means. Capital exports help explain why did colonial powers collapse into all-out warfare against each other, as capital exports retarded the development of domestic industry in the case of Britain (this is what Hobson protested against and Trump is saying very similar things wrt China and Europe) and spurred industrial development in the recipient countries.
The basis of imperialism lies in financial hegemony, which is maintained by both extractive colonies and industrial economies friendly with/subservient to the hegemon. Capital exports, while being an integral part of it, destabilise this system by making recipients too strong and act as a progressive force in general.
>>2611205>After the final defeat of the Axis in WW2, competition between imperialist powers ceased to existno it didnt, but even if we assume they were temporarily united until the collapse of the ussr they arent united anymore. this thread is about an interimperialist conflict between germany and the us over energy monopolies.
>Bringing up Wallerstein is also wrongwat
>Defining imperialism as capital exports is also wrong. its not capital export, but its primacy, "living by clipping coupons"
>The United States is actually a capital importerthats just numbers tricks, they are a special case because of reserve currency and its not true. capital export is still primary because the import relies on the export
>The basis of imperialism lies in financial yeah thats what im saying
>hegemonyno kautsky
>>2611233cringe sloppa and isn't even as funny as actual reality where Putin is blamed for wolves killing deer
>>2611242Yeah, that's more mid-2010s vibes when Putin/Russian Hackers were behind everything libs don't like to excuse their political failures and avoid having to rethink their policies. It's now so much more desperate in their need to convince everyone that the world is basically uninhabitable while Putin/Russia/Putin's Russia exists, because it exists to undermine
everything, literally everything no matter how banal.
>>2611218Chat, is this real? You made that quote up. Provide source, NOW!
>>2611233it must be tragic as a russki boomer to grow up watching the Grade-A kino Soviet propaganda, and end up with this absolute Russian Federation cringe slop in your old age
>>2611282Kind of doubt this is aimed at Russians, RT is essentially their foreign news service typically appealing to the western right-wing and.. well.. RT knows their audience well.
>>2611284makes sense
I like RT. They're all over the place. One moment they're spreading far-right propaganda, another moment they're glorifying the West African's great fight for sovereignty by pushing the imperialist Frenchies in the sea. They eulogised Charlie Kirk as a great man of muh freedoms, and then immediately let you know Charlie's wife is a whore. It's topkek television lmao
>>2611290They do basically support any kind of "dissident" opinion in the west, continuity be damned, but I think they've hit their niche with the recent strain of western lolberts following the likes of Trump and Musk in their quest to replace state with corporate governance by pointing out how inefficient states are.
So RT can post opinion pieces that lean heavily towards culture war slop, but then positively report on de-colonisation efforts, because the Musk-ovites see "policing language" and "policing shitholes" as a waste of tax money and only of interest to political elites rather than worker and billionaire.
>>2611364based
the REAL ALT MEDIA, not these YouTuber-faggotry
>>2611364>>2611374It definitely seemed like RT in the UK was favoured by the left, at least that was how I came across it circa 2013. I recall popular left-lib philosophers like Zizek and Chomsky were quite common on it.
I liked the financial show by that Max Keiser guy, he was probably a complete hack and the economics talk went over my head at the time, but it seemed like he was wired the entire time and for some reason had like, pirate motifs on his otherwise very banker-like clothes.
>>2609959>an empire that has nothing to offer the world anymoreImplying it ever had something to offer to begin with. The US was an evil, genocidal empire since day 1.
Other than that, good and correct post.
Russia took Siversk. Is it a big deal, RussUkro anons?
>>2611530no, we are reaching iran-iraq war levels of warfare here. expect another 10 years of slog and towns changing hands before anything momentous happens
>>2611537>iran-iraq war levels of warfareElaborate
>>2611537Towns for the most part have not been changing hands for years now. Russia consistently takes more territory than the Ukronazis can counterattack. As many analysts have said, this will only get worse for Cuckraine in the future. Their breaking point may be around the corner, or it will take another two
weeks years. But it will happen eventually, unless Cucktin does something very stupid. All the numbres speak against NATO's proxy.
What do people mean when they say Russia cannot be imperialist when Russia is a creditor country?
odessa status?
>>2611976its not a creditor country
>>2611995Russia doesn't make an "elite", the harping on about oligarchy is just western projection.
>>2611995That video is just marxism 101, not sure what you meant to say with it.
>>2611995….ok? wrong quote?
>>2611976Extending credit has nothing to do with imperialism. China is also a net creditor country but it does so in order to foster mutual benefit and development. Meanwhile the USA is a net debtor country but the credit it does extend is designed to wreak havoc on the debtor state and force structural readjustment.
>>2612002It is by definition a creditor country.
>>2612082>It is by definition a creditor country.what is the definition? its economy is primarily raw resources like ore timber and petrol
>>2611218Russia is feudal?
>>2612082resolutely side with the oppressed peoples of the US against Mauritian imperialism
>>2612082>A creditor nation is a sovereign state that has a positive NIIPmeaningless
>sorted by their net international investment positions (NIIPs) per capita. double meaningless
>>2612096Mauritius is a centre of African finance.
>>2612099No. That would be South Africa.
>>2612091>russia is feudal?Yes.
>>2612479Nope. Russia is semi-hunter-gatherer and semi-asiatic with nuclear characteristics.
Russia is in the stage D of capitalism as described in Anti-Duhring
Merry Christmas to my ever-correct fellow Ziggers ♡
according to cnn zelensky is proposing a peace deal which includes the following points:
• An affirmation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and a non-aggression agreement between Russia and Ukraine;
• Security guarantees provided to Ukraine by the United States, NATO, and European states that Zelensky said would “mirror Article 5” – NATO’s cornerstone principle of mutual self-defense. The plan would call for a military response and reinstatement of sanctions on Moscow if Russia invades Ukraine, but the guarantees would be rescinded if Ukraine launches an attack on Russia or opens fire on Russian territory without provocation;
• The withdrawal of Russian troops from the Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, Sumy, and Kharkiv regions of Ukraine;
on the one hand why would russia accept this when it is supposedly in a position to take much more by force. on the other hand maybe the fact that zelensky is daring to offer something like this and the fact that the front line has remained stagnant despite collapse of the front line being imminent for the past 3 years. means there's other deals being made and information not disclosed. maybe cucktin will cuck
>>2612621Nah, Russian demands by this point in time include letting 10 millions of Ukrainian citizens in Russia to vote in upcoming Ukrainian elections. Ukraine continuing to do these "if we only ever offer Russia peace deals we like, Russia will eventually be forced to concede" childish negotiation tactics
>>2612141Merry couple weeks early Christmas to Russian Orthodox comrades!
>>2612711It is not christmas. What are you talking about?
>>2612832>national tongueI hate nationalists
>>2612847t. slave of the anglos
>>2613001Ukraine is a small country.
>>2613001I wonder what cope Andrei Martyanov will spin this time
>4,272 days since ukrainian ATO in Donbass region :^)
>with nato support.
>>2613004Second largest country in Europe after Russia. Russia which is the largest country in the world.
>>2612856Trenches dont help much if you don't have people sitting in them. Ukraine can't buy more people with givas.
>>2613059You are just showing how small Western Europe is. We know that already REBYAT
>>2613007Alternatively, Ukraine failed to liberate any territory after 2 years of full scale war.
>>2613073What, again with this nonsense? Do you understand just how LITTLE i care for random Ukrainian counterattacks, which are unerringly unable to do anything to change dynamic of this war?
I can't sleep at night and have bad stomach because Putin awarded somebody for liberation of Kupyansk! Waaah! Waaah! I'm malding and seething, tremble before Ukraine's daring offensive! It must mean that 20 to 1000 corpse exchange ratios didn't happen, and that Ukraine's claims that their undersupplied, underfed, underequipped military was committing 10 to 1 K/D ratios against Russians!
Seriously tho, I've been saying in this thread since 2022, when Ukraine retook some territory, that Russia will bleed Ukraine dry, eventually, because Russia's strategy is about destroying Ukrainian manpower, while Ukraine was jerking off to image abroad and blitzkrieg fantasies
>>2613090>because Russia's strategy is about destroying Ukrainian manpowerYeah and that's a stupid as fuck strategy that may see this war continue until the next decade, with competent leaders Russia could have bagged Ukraine in less than a year, and then the millions of dead or estropied men would have been Russian manpower instead of minced meat.
>>2613095No, the stupid strategy is the strategy of blitzkrieg. It is straight up UNSAFE to commit to. Destroying Ukraine piece by piece is a risk-free option that's guaranteed results
>>2613092Nothing from the ukro. Oh sorry I forgot. We do get videos from Ukraine. We get videos of thugs hunting people to force them to the frontlines.
Western strands of ‘communism’ (eurocommunistes, leftcoms, libcoms etc) will always cheer for fascists because they are pathological russophobes.
>>2613097You are correct. With blitzkrieg, it is a 50-50 chance of either total quick victory or quickly get wrecked and eat a counter attack with no defence.
>>2613099It's a losing game, every setback (no matter how slight) suffered by Russia gets talked about for days, while every loss suffered by Ukraine gets memoryholed instantly or goes completely under the radar in the first place until something surfaces in MoD reports a few weeks later.
Even Russian """nationalist"""
>>2613028 telegrams will bitch and whine about failures to no end but barely post about successes because doomscrolling drives engagement and sells knife advertisements.
It's honestly kind of insane how much influence noname telegram grifters have on the public perception of the war and how little ru.gov has done to corral them
>Destroying enemy manpower is stupid strategy.
What made you into a such a map-brained happener?
>>2612856>Ukronazis can't stop goreposting (of probably their own counteroffensyiv getting slaughtered, framed as Russians)Every time…
>>2613204>take the day offThat NAFO loser defends imperialism for free. Peak classcucking
>>2613237>monopoly capital, backed by the state, expands outwardthe composition of a country's economy predetermines this
if a country mainly relies on exporting raw resources to feed other economies that simply "clip coupons" from multinationals, it is clearly not competing with them on the same level
not sure what Kautsky even has to do with this, "everyone is imperialist" people like you are way closer to Kautsky's superimperialism theory in reality
>>2613237did you lose your ability to read?
>>2612082Russia is only a creditor country according to economist astrology.
>>2613344same with chinese "imperialism"
>>2613013he is, so to speak, pardon my french, living rent free in your head.
>>2613095why doesn't chechnya have terrorist attack every day and america had to pull out of afganistan?
must just be random chance and coincidence
>>2612082>>2611976>samefaghey, don't throw words you don't understand from a table you don't understand.
Is Putin communist?
Free UDALTSOV
>>2613447Not in any way or form.
Should communists support Russia?
>>2613905No. There is no socialist faction in this conflict.
>>2613905Inside Russia? No, revolutionary defeatism.
Russia is not imperialist. However, one should not side with russia in this conflict since, as comrade Lenin said, "The fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug". We should heed his words.
>>2613843Someone explain what that graph is saying.
>>2613991foreign worker remittances
>>2613996money that workers abroad send back to their home country
>>2613998And what does minus mean?
>>2613999russians in kazakhstan are sending more money back to russia than kazakh citizens in russia send to kazakhstan
>>2614001Undertstood. Its a balance sheet kind of thing.
>>2614012Gulyaipole status?
>>2614012Is it because of that river?
Why is this special military operation taking so long?
>>2614023>EU flagFeel like half the countries in that image are not in the EU while those that are, complain that the EU is oppressive because there were strings attached to Eurogibs
>>261402512 more years comrade.
>>2613934>There is no socialist faction in this conflict.the communist party of russia urged Putin to start the SMO before he did
but ofc you will find a way to position yourself as communistier than the fucking million members of russia's communist party
IMO it’s lasted this long because
>while every loss suffered by Ukraine gets memoryholed instantly
the majority of those concerned would have to actually care about Ukraine and what happens to it, but it’s easy to see how the conflict’s continuance (or at least the lack of opposition to its end) can be attributed to self-interest
>If you’re a male capable of being drafted, then it’s best to just avoid being drafted, failing that avoid being sent to the front, failing that avoiding contact with Russian troops, failing that then surrendering
>If you’re a woman or someone otherwise ineligible for the draft, the promise is still that after victory, Ukraine will be fast tracked into the EU at long last and you can finally leave after decades of hopeless poverty
>If you’re a politician, you’re being given millions from all sources and presumably for all reasons, legit and illegitimate with escape routes to other countries already arranged for when the party is over
I think the trickiest one is the first, the draftable men, but I think that’s why Ukraine’s “recruitment” targets individuals and seemingly at random because the alternative of apprehending entire streets or even towns of men at a time intrinsically creates a collective who could fight back. As it stands, busification allows people to hedge their bets that survival is more likely via avoidance rather than open confrontation. That getting pinched off the streets is unlucky rather than an inevitability.
>>2614062Any other factors?
>>2614012Show geolocations, bitch! It's been over a week without proof
>>2614062There is a fourth one.
>if you used the opportunity to move into the EU, you are only considered a refugee as long as the war is going onAnd those are the people who know English.
But your reasoning is flawed. Almost all people have a lot more to gain from not having explosions in town every week and not getting electricity turned off for half a day. The real reasons are that
>Ukrainians are extremely passive politically and have been for a long time, the same as Russians>The political opposition that popped up was crushed, intimidated and burnt alive by skinheads>Russia chose to continue business with the existing Ukrainian government as long as it signed some papers that everyone knows don't matter over the task of actually taking over, that's why necessary force wasn't employed and pathetic Istanbul agreements were proposed at the beginning>Ukraine was built up to be very tough by communists, more so than France or any other country in Europe>That's also combined with the most aid NATO gave any country ever but that's to be expectedAnd they got a lot closer to achieving their goals than is comfortable to admit. The Wagner rebellion happened and got more than halfway to Moscow. It is possible that Prigozhin could have won and given the west everything they wanted while larping as a patriot. They didn't actually lose anything from this either, Russia still wants to be cucked and do trade with them. The military inventory they provided was also not a waste, it killed Russian people and they love to see that.
The west is still losing in the broader picture but China does most of the work there along with comrades western bourgeois
>oh but EU is having a recessionThey haven't had any growth in real terms since 2008, grow up.
>>2614150They should use paratroopers.
>>2614147>They didn't actually lose anything from this either,A bunch of brainlet takes but this one is the brainletest.
>>2614153What exactly did they lose? Ukrainian lives? Ukrainian industry? Maybe CIS countries aren't coming over to the white house and deepthroating Trump?
>oh but they lost the hegemonic vibes >>2614158Aside from the billions in irreplaceable material and the entire eu which has been threatening to commit suicide since this war started? Are you one of those "nato is stronger that ever with mighty FINLAND on their side" types? It's been own goal after own goal for the west and to act like nato haven't been experiencing losses just because Russia hasn't been bombing them is massive, stupid cope.
>>2614166I am a regular here.
No, NATO isn't any stronger. They failed to conduct regime change in Russia, of course they are seething. The problem is that actual consequences for America have been next to nonexistent. Yes, they lost military materiel, but that's rather to be expected if you give it to a Nazi regime.
>the entire eu which has been threatening to commit suicide since this war started?You mean seething in media while being careful not to do anything that would damage themselves needlessly?
Again, I will reiterate that the west is losing and SMO was a visible transition point. It's just that I am realizing that their plans were not all that detached from reality and they came awful close to coming true. That is very scary to think about. And the consequences are rather minimal if you understand the sheer scale of the reward. It was a reasonable gamble to take.
>regime change in a coutry with nukes
>>2614195Yes, that is the prize. It's utterly insane to think about and they got way too close to it with the Wagner rebellion.
>>2614198You really think wagner could take power in russia?
>>2614158The Kursk incursion would have been magnitudes worse if the Ukrainian army hadn't been so weakened by the SMO.
>>2614198Even wagnerite rebellion was publicly only indirectly a rebellion towards Putin and the government.
>>2614219It wasnt a rebellion. It was a justice march against SHOIGU. IT IS A MARCH OF JUSTICE. Police and other government structures literally fraternized with those mercs. People were approaching them and taking photos.
>>2614203The point is that there, in fact, were billionaires and military people willing to conduct regime change in the west's interests. Of course there are many challenges to actually taking over the country, but then again, there was not much armed resistance or popular unrest against them up to that point.
>>2614209I agree. That's why it was very reasonable to start SMO.
>>2614219 >>2614243Right, that's why he said that the war was "only started to benefit a few people at the top of military command" on camera. That is liberal shit.
>>2614098Loads, it’s a very multi-faceted conflict. However, to add to the list in my post, we joke about merely optics peremogas for Ukraine but actually stuff like the drones hitting oil infrastructure over the Kazakh border to create the small but smokey fires is pretty rational. Not in the sense that was ever going to bring the Russian economy “to its knees”, I think a 3% reduction in capacity was attributed to the attacks themselves. But rather if everyone half-consciously believes that really it’s Russian society that has something to lose, not Ukraine, then constant drone strikes, sabotage, bombings, assassinations, etc are a smart move. It just proves the official narrative that Ukraine is based and worth saving while Ukraine+NATO is just putting Russia out of its corrupt, low-tech, impoverished and envious misery
Is false*
>>2614025Because it is objectively good, and good things take a very long time to maximize goodness.
If Iron Dimon was in charge things would be different.
>>2614152I liek the buttocks of the lady on the left
HI, ANON, I AM THE LITERAL FAGGOT WHO STARTED THE VERY FIRST /UKR/ THREAD WHEN THE WAR JUST EVEN BEING SPOKEN ABOUT IN RUSSIAN MEDIA AND 80% OF THE COMMUNITY JOKED ABOUT ME.
GUESS I HAVE BEEN PROVEN CORRECT, LOL
IN ANY CASE, YOU ARE ASKING "WHY IS THIS CONFLICT TAKING SO LONG?!", AND I CAN ANSWER YOU IN BASICALLY TWO SENTENCES:
1) BECAUSE CUCKTIN IS A HUMANIST WHO IS SITTING ON A SHITTON OF NUKES AND THINKS OF "UKROIDS" AS FELLOW SLAVS AND IS _MORALLY_ INCAPABLE TO DROP THE NUKES ON KIEV
2) BECAUSE IT IS IN RUSSIA'S LITERAL INTERESTS TO SEE WESTOID WEAPONS THROWN INTO /UKR/ AND LEARN FROM COUNTERING THEM.
THAT IS BASICALLY ALL, LITERAL RETARD. RUSSIA IS DOING FABULOUSLY AND YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN UNPAID SPAMMER FOR NAFO
>>2614320Short and concise cumrade, horosho. I do know that putin is a humanitarian, but the second point is new to me.
>>2614343Is there a river there? Did ruaf get to the other side and established bridgehead?
>>2614328The second point stands to reason. Years before the SMO, Putin announced that Russua has like 5 different types of military tech that would completely dominate NATO's.
What goes on is: low-tech proxy war between NATO and Russia on the grounds of Ukraine which allows Russia to dominate not just in the hi-tech sector but also inside NAFO low-tech territory.
That's how bad this war is for NAFO.
>inb4 Trump's golden navy forceEven """allies""" laugh at that shit.
>>2614343See it’d be easy to dismiss the “no one cares about Ukraine enough to surrender and save it” based on westoid Xitter, but that will absolutely be the narrative coming out of Kiev at some point next week.
How will ruaf solve the river question?
>>2614365The Trump battleship is insane man, the US is so cooked in any future war against a near-peer adversary
>>2614385Like every issue. Remove ukrop beforehand and no more issue.
>>2614594Finally something ruzzia and ukkkraine can agree on
>>2614402Trump's golden warships will have lasers and Dolby Surround systems installed, dominating all other threatening vessels with an unmatched audio-visual experience, for a low price of three trillion dollars per boat, so you better watch out.
>>2614618but russia isn't imperialist they are a developing periphery nation thats economy is primarily based on the export of raw resources like oil timber and ore. i you wanna be schizo and say russia has become an america proxy to attack german economy through the course of the war, then maybe you have a case. but ultimately the war is driven by the us attempting to counter act the falling rate of profit after the fracking boom extended the petrodollar for a decade after 2008 crash and they intervened in ukraine to consolidate the oil monopoly to charge higher rents. black sea exploration contracts for lukoil and rosneft are a direct threat to exxon/bp/shell oligopoly. same as venezuela and iran and gaza.
The expansionist paranoid faction of the Russian ruling class is the actual threat to Russia's security. Russia has 5000 nukes. Even if the entire world and even Mars as well joined NATO, they still wouldn't even dream of invading Russia.
The Russia ruling class is 100% aware of this. The reason they're continuing this war is not because they're afraid of NATO, they're afraid of their own population and the discontent that will come from losing a retarded war.
>>2614618You've lost contact with reality.
Meds
>>2614634Protecting russian minorities from CIA color revolution nazis isn't expansionism, lmao
>>2614618Incorrect. This is Kautskyite "ultra imperialism" theory.
Yes, the capitalist class of all countries have common interests and they do collaborate to dominate the world in some ways, like the UN for example.
But economic competition is a undeniable reality that brings nations into real conflict, not just a managed one. This war is about splitting up Ukraine between the two imperialisms, while simultaneously achieving some secondary goals like testing modern methods of warfare, destroying overproduced capital, using it as an excuse for increasing state control etc.
But it is not a "dance" between imperialists. It is a real conflict, although as usual, it is the working class the suffers from it, not the people that started it.
>>2614634ok nafoid. keep projecting even during the holidays.
>>2614636Nations aren't real, no one should fight and die to preserve spooks like that. If Russian minorities are oppressed they should just abandon their language and adopt Ukrainian to become merged with the Ukrainian blob. They lose nothing because "muh heritage" is useless bullshit.
The working class has nothing to lose, they have a world to gain.
>>2614634Yes, Russia can nuke random terrorists
>>2614645 (me)
Examples of historically progressive examples of this happening is Christianity destroying the dozens of different pagan belief systems, both in Europe and the new world. The Sinicization of non Chinese in China. Islamic destruction of pre-Islamic cultures. Etc etc.
Stop giving a shit about "muh minorities". Just join the blob and focus on actual material stuff like the revolutionising the production relations
>>2614648Christianity was more reactionary compared to pre-Christian religions
>>2614649Funny how brainrotted you nationalists are that you think the logical communist position is Nafo simply because I dont suck Russia's dick and uncritically accept their bourgeoisie's propaganda.
Russia is a capitalist country btw, maybe you forgot that or something
>>2614650Quoting the arch-oppprtunist like you're making a point lmao
>>2614652>adopt Ukrainian to become merged with the Ukrainian blobYou are sucking Ukrainian dick, so the only other alternative you can conceive of is obvious.
I ain't participating in a national identity that worships Nazis, not sorry.
>>2614650.
>>2614651Never read Marx award
>>2614653Notice you couldn't counter this
>>2614654Sorry, nations and culture are a spook and they will all be destroyed eventually. Btw I have the same opinion for all minorities. Troublesome non Russians in Russia should join the Russian blob as well. And once these blobs become homogenous, they should join other blobs and become a single big blob.
But I know calling for the destruction of constructions of the old world is controversial for nationalists in communist skin-suits here.
>>2614634they literally did invade Russia last year
>>2614661Hmm I wonder what triggered that invasion
>>2614660You are contradicting yourself. The blob needs to violently enforce making you join them yet you seemingly have a problem with Russia going in to protect their blob and hypothetically absorb Ukraine
>>2614662nothing. it was unprovoked, like the SMO
>>2614660>let's just take Stirnerite terms, and apply to the most dogshit version of hot takes from Rosa and EngelsSo did you blow in from /pol/, dipshit?
>>2614639Post ww2 ultra imperialism became a reality, fyi.
>>2614674Yah. Christianity was anti-gay and anti-feminist, while pre-Christianity was much more tolerant. And don't forget that pre-Christians didn't jerk off to a daddy figure in the skies, centering their whole lives around being submitting to their parents. Every fucking bible story is about how the parent is right and the child is in the wrong, lmao
>>2614645Nations and cultures are real, but communists should not have a one-size fits all approach to their protection or elimination.
If communism takes over the world that will mean the large scale destruction (i.e. the changing of these nations/cultures to such an extent that they are no longer recognizable) of all existing nations and cultures. That would be a good thing.
If capitalism reverts to a literal slave society that would also mean the large scale destruction of all existing nations/cultures. That would be a bad thing.
>>2614658>nazi germany was assimilationistC'mon at least bring up the Canadian residential schools or something. Assimilationist policies obviously can be evil (though they don't have to be), but Hitler wasn't even arguably an example of that.
>>2614639>This war is about splitting up Ukraine between the two imperialismsEU and US
>>2614673>Post ww2 ultra imperialism became a reality, fyi.ended in the 90s, fyi
>>2614645nations have a material basis and are formed from the development of capitalism. furthermore internationalism is premised on the existence of nations. nations cant be abolished until the material conditions that lead to them are overcome
>>2614676>anti-gay Christianity was anti-gay partially for what at the time were understandable reasons. Sex at that time was often non-consensual or coerced in one way or another and acts of domination, and since men were the only political actors and did not want to stop raping women, even if they wanted to stop being raped it made sense to be against homosexuality rather than championing consent in a literal slave economy.
Need I remind you that the most popular form of homosexuality (and unironically the one that had on average /the best/ case for being consensual) in the Roman empire was pederasty?
>anti-feministIn comparison to the Roman pagans? That strikes me as tenuous.
>And don't forget that pre-Christians didn't jerk off to a daddy figure in the skiesA reason why the Christians were prosecuted was literally that they didn't jerk off to the literal God-Emperor of the Romans.
I don't know enough about early christianity or pre-christianity to feel certain about how progressive/reactionary it is, vibes wise it seems more reactionary than cynicism more progressive than stoicism and I'd guess for paganism that'd vary from place to place, but I've never heard anyone deny that christianity had progressive elements at least.
>>2614665>So did you blow in from /pol/, dipshit?You accused them of getting their takes from Rosa, Engels and Stirner. You don't even believe they're right wing.
>>2614660Your take on nationalism is undialectical but still better than the idiot nationalists here. Nations are an inevitable in-group formed by common circumstances and the ability to easily communicate and coordinate. Just like the family is a type of in-group that communists have a troubled relationship with, but isn't always 100% bad so too can you understand a nation. Generally nations and nationalisms are worse, but they aren't entirely fake or entirely evil.
peace deal thoughts?
>>2614681God I hate how Marx-ese convinces some idiots into thinking that they're saying something intelligent.
>nations have a material basis and are formed from the development of capitalismThe first nations are generally historically situated before capitalism proper by 100s of years in England and France
>furthermore internationalism is premised on the existence of nationsAnti-capitalism is premised on the existence of capitalism… Does that mean that anti-capitalists shouldn't fight against capitalism in the here and now?
>nations cant be abolished until the material conditions that lead to them are overcomeTranslation: nations can't be abolished until it is almost the time where nations are going to be abolished. (No shit)
You can't just use dialectical sounding language to avoid needing to actually think about what you're saying. That was utterly fucking embarrassing.
>>2614676>Historically progressive in 30 AD means how they thought about LGBT rights and feminism (all post-19th century concepts/issues/movements)Burger, right? Miss me with that ahistoric BS.
Universalism was a massive step forward from pagan horseshit, fyi.
t. militant atheist
>>2604074This is ChatGPT.
>>2604364This is just printing money for the EU economy in an indirevt way. It's not taxpayer money, taxes don't fund anything anymore. When you pay taxes, that money is simply deleted, and when the government needs to pay for something it just creates money. The same thing happens when you take out a loan in a bank.
>>2614678Capitalism destroyed local cultures and replaced them with anglo-saxon consumption patterns and the hegemonic cultural industry. A communist world must attempt to rebuild what was lost.
Each and every human language and culture adds to the richness of the universal human experience. Your idea of communism is literally capitalism, or what it had already done, to be more precise.
Communism should unite the millions of cultures for a shared goal while not trying to eliminate human diversity in cultures and languages. Capitalism is literally this behemoth that eats every culture and poops out Coca Cola drinking consumers listening to Eminem.
Shame on you.
>>2614678>Assimilationist policies obviously can be evilIf you unironically think that communism is that of the Borg from Star Trek you internalized CIA propaganda and said "cool" to that.
Either an edgy teen, a troll, or a brainwashed moron.
>>2614680>>This war is about splitting up Ukraine between the two imperialisms>EU and USThis is correct.
>>Post ww2 ultra imperialism became a reality, fyi.>ended in the 90s, fyiThis is incorrect. All the economic data from Marxist scholars prove without a shadow of a doubt that there is a singular and unified imperialist core ("the golden billion") that benefit from ongoing economic exploitation of the rest of the world.
>>2605736>nazi pride paradesKino.
>>2614690Not happening as long as the US
pretends to be a negotiator between sides (EU, EU detractors, itself, Ukraine, and Russia). Only when the US gets a 100% behind the Russian demands will there be a potential peace negotion. The Russians will play along with the diplomatic charade while crushing Ukraine. Trump will just want to insert his name into the history books at the last minute, but he will be ignored as military facts dominate the spectacle.
This is how it's going to be.
>>2614708Aufhebung. The return of the repressed.
>>2614689Right-wingers can read and butcher leftist theory just fine.
>>2614691>The first nations are generally historically situated before capitalism proper by 100s of years in England and FranceModern nation states came about in the 1800s in Europe, not by happenstance coinciding with the birth of modern industrial capitalism. Your history is so off, it's ridiculousl – almost /pol/-tier where the (we wuz) vikings are considered to be a "nation" instead of a loosely connected cultural group keen on plundering.
American, right?
>>2614702>hocus pocusprinting money goes on the books and when it's time to balance the books they will come for you in the form of higher taxes, higher rents, higher interest and reduced services. the masses will pay for it one way or another.
>>2614702All sentences here are counterfactuals.
Good job! 👍 😊
>>2614703>Capitalism destroyed local cultures and replaced them with anglo-saxon consumption patterns and the hegemonic cultural industryDo you think that pre-capitalist cultures weren't distorted by class society? Have you read literally 0 Marx? This is in the communist manifesto for fuck sake, this is introductory level stuff you can't be serious.
>anglo-saxon consumption patterns Ah, yes because capitalism is merely an extension of the anglo-saxon culture… Do you hear yourself think?
>A communist world must attempt to rebuild what was lost.>rebuild what was lostNo that's reactionary politics. You're literally advocating for retvrn you moron. Getting rid of feudalism and serfdom was not the issue, the issue was that the revolution was unfinished and didn't go far enough.
>Each and every human language and culture adds to the richness of the universal human experience.I mean… I guess? Like I guess that the culture of elite pedophile rings adds to the richness of human experience in some aesthetic way, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I'd still prefer for such a culture to be eliminated.
I don't have any major issue with languages continuing to exist, although I don't believe that ones naturally dying are an issue either and I do want a universal language, but at a minimum other languages will continue to exist for historians, translators and other hobbyists even if a universal language is achieved world wide. I certainly do not believe in oppressive rules against children using native languages in schools or other such tyranny.
>Communism should unite the millions of cultures for a shared goal while not trying to eliminate human diversity in cultures and languagesSure, but that itself will be a process of cultural transformation and thus cultural elimination.
Do you think it's possible to preserve capitalist work culture while eliminating capitalist work?
What do you even think culture is?
>>2614705>If you unironically think that communism is that of the Borg from Star Trek No, communism will eliminate (that is: radically transform) all existing cultures and make new cultures (plural) in their place. Obviously that does not mean the Borg. It means that the differentiation between persons and groups will no longer be what it once was, nor tied to race, language (mostly, some of this might be preserved among hobbyists, but even that would have a different character), or government. If you think that those are the only important differences between people, you are very shallow.
I just want to interject and say that if your idea of progress is cultural, e.g. "LGBTQIA+", instead of advancing the means of production, you are and always will be the worst thing imaginable: a lib.
>>2614714>nation states >he doesn't even know that nation states and nation aren't synonymousoh no
>>2614691>The first nations are generally historically situated before capitalism proper by 100s of years in England and Franceand were predicated on the emergence of capitalism. pls no le capitalism has always existed because trade meme
>Translation: nations can't be abolished until it is almost the time where nations are going to be abolished. (No shit)>You can't just use dialectical sounding language to avoid needing to actually think about what you're saying. you can and should say something so simple and obvious to someone claiming that nations dont real when they are obviously very real and have very real effects
>>2614706>>EU and US>This is correct.>>ended in the 90s>This is incorrect. >there is a singular and unified imperialist corethen why are EU and US fighting
>>2614719>You're literally advocating for retvrn you moron.I'm not, tho. There are historical examples of nations fighting oppression by re-inventing their own cultures and languages. Example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hungarian_language#Modern_Hungarian
>I guess that the culture of elite pedophile rings adds to the richness of human experienceYou just outed yourself as (what was already expected:) an American. You don't get to lecture us on languages (of which you speak one – barely) and cultures (which you don't possess).
End of discussion, NATO-boy. Have a nice crumbling empire
Ciao! >>2614721Name one existing nation without a state. I'll wait.
>>2614724Trouble in paradise.
>>2614719>Ah, yes because capitalism is merely an extension of the anglo-saxon culturei mean thats not exactly incorrect
>You're literally advocating for retvrn you moron. >What do you even think culture is?its pretty obvious they are talking about the various ways of living that people engage in because of differences in geography and natural resources. we dont want to eliminate these, we want to preserve and overcome them
>>2614727because imperialist peace is always temporary and the profit motive demands conflict, mr kautsky
>>2614730The EU is a vassal of the US and now that the latter is crumbling the former is struggling for a sovereign foreign policy (which will it not get).
In pure material terms, the superimperialist bloc remains united in their economic interests, but can not escape their fate, namely, being overcome by a superior mode of production (Socialism with Chinese Characteristics).
This is the world you live in and the sooner you accept this the sooner with your butthurt problems will alleviate.
Have a nice day, gringo
>>2614716>balance the booksNeoclassical meme. Countries aren't households.
>>2614725I was almost quoting you verbatim
>There are historical examples of nations fighting oppression by re-inventing their own cultures and languagesOK? How does that have any contradiction with anything that I said? I said that nationalism /could/ be good it just often isn't
>You just outed yourself as (what was already expected:) an American. You don't get to lecture us on languages (of which you speak one – barely) and cultures (which you don't possess).Literally the most blatant example of no true scottsman ever. There's a culture you don't like, so you simply don't call it a culture, because you like all cultures. Incredibly stupid. At least we agree that american culture needs to be destroyed.
>Ciao!I don't believe for a second you won't read this post.
>>2614726Palestinian
Kurds
All first nations
Uyghurs
I am honestly confused as to what you think defines a nation if you think that nations are defined by nation states. Like what definition or even vague notion are you going off of?
>>2614728That is what I was trying to say… I even clarified that by eliminate I meant radically change to the point that it can't be recognized anymore. The reason I said eliminate is because when people say "eliminating a culture" except in the case of literal genocide some part of it is always preserved, so I felt it would be dishonest to say that I merely want a transformation as it would imply that I want something less radical than other capitalist "eliminations" of culture when I don't (although I am against some oppressive measures such as censorship to achieve this purpose).
>>2614732>The EU is a vassal of the US and now that the latter is crumbling the former is struggling for a sovereign foreign policy this describes russia more than the eu
united kigdom germany belgium netherlands denmark france are all outright imperialist on their own and most people also would include italy spain austria sweden and norway (and japan and south korea)
japan getting cucked in the 80s was also inter-imperialist before the ussr even fell
>>2614735>That is what I was trying to say…idk if you are "nations are a spook" anon but saying so very much implies that nations are something we shouldnt think about or consider and instead the duty of communists is to blindly ignore them damn the consequences and act as if they are already abolished, and of course this is the anarchist position, that states have to be abolished before capitalism, when the marxist position is the opposite, that communism has to be global before the state can wither away
>>2614739>idk if you are "nations are a spook" anon I was not. I said I agreed with him more than most of the other people in this thread, but that he was going too far.
>>2614735>I even clarified that by eliminate I meant radically change to the point that it can't be recognized anymore. i think they just mean a ussr type policy where you preserve the language and customs, and the part about uniting them for a shared goal reads to me as preserving this historic knowledge for future benefit, kinda like not destroying the rain forest because there are plants we evolved alongside for billions of years that could cure cancer, or how maybe autists could bend space if we feed them spice so we shouldnt genocide them incase it locks us in the sol system
>>2614660Based Chechen noticer
>>2614735>How does that have any contradiction with anything that I said?Like your rants about destroying everything and borgifying it? Don't even deny this, everyone can scroll up and see how you progressively modified your radical (sounding) manifest to more sane policies, like the little cuck you are.
>There's a culture you don't like, so you simply don't call it a culture, because you like all cultures.99% of American radical leftist (whatever that means) agree with me. USA/pol/ would agree w me that the only "culture" the ciuntry has is consumption. Fucking Chapo Trap House would agree with me.
Maybe convince your fellow countrymen before trying to educate me?
>PalestinianIs a nation state accepted by 98% of the global community oppressed by zio-usa.
>KurdsNot a nation. A collection of similar cultures, languages, and religions split between like 5 countries.
>All first nationsNot a naton. You fucking colonized and eradicated them. What remains are coca cola drinking eminem listening people who wish to reclaim something they will never have again.
>UyghursAn autonomous region inside China. Their distinct culture is preserved and cherished.
>I am honestly confused as to what you think defines a nation if you think that nations are defined by nation states.Well I'm sorry that actually existing history hurts your sentimentality. Many such cases.
>That is what I was trying to say… I even clarified that by eliminate I meant radically change to the point that it can't be recognized anymore. The reason I said eliminate is because when people say "eliminating a culture" except in the case of literal genocide some part of it is always preserved, so I felt it would be dishonest to say that I merely want a transformation as it would imply that I want something less radical than other capitalist "eliminations" of culture when I don't (although I am against some oppressive measures such as censorship to achieve this purpose).Gigacope. See above.
>>2614736>Russia is a US vassal by fighting against literal neo-nazi US color revolutionYou have to try harder
>>2614748He won't read problematic anti-LGBTQIA+ Stalin. He wasn't progressive enough for him, even though crushing the nazies, you see…
>>2614753Lol wtf are you even saying
>destroying everything and borgifying it?>everyone can scroll up and see how you progressively modified your radical (sounding) manifest to more sane policies, like the little cuck you are.OK I'll quote my first post up the chain:
<If capitalism reverts to a literal slave society that would also mean the large scale destruction of all existing nations/cultures. That would be a bad thing.How on earth is this advocating for borgifying anything?
>USA/pol/ would agree w me that the only "culture" the ciuntry has is consumptionOK so? Sounds like a culture that needs to be destroyed then. It still counts as culture. Slave culture counts as culture too. I don't have any investment at all in convincing you the extent to which American culture is good. The worse it is, the better my argument is that there are cultures that need to be destroyed.
>Is a nation state accepted by 98% of the global community oppressed by zio-usa.Still doesn't have a state, the two halves of it aren't even under the same government.
>A collection of similar cultures, languages, and religions split between like 5 countries.Does that invalidate it from being a nation? Was Germany not a nation before German unification? Did it stop being a nation when it was split into east and west germany?
You still haven't given me a definition of nation. At all. Or even a vague notion.
>>2614759>Sounds like a culture that needs to be destroyed then.Consumption isn't a culture, nor a nation.
>>2614759>Does that invalidate it from being a nation?Yes.
>Was Germany not a nation before German unification?It was unified, redrawn, conquered, and wiped off several times, only solidifying as a singular nation after unity.
>Did it stop being a nation when it was split into east and west germany?Yes. There was the barbarian US vassal state and the civilized German socialist nation.
>>2614755What the fuck are you talking about? The article he linked was Stalin during his anti-nationalism period. It more or less agrees with me.
>>2614760>the only "culture" the ciuntry has is consumption>Consumption isn't a cultureThis is literally Aristotelian thinking where you are going to have to have two different words to describe the same thing but one word is for when it's good and one word is for when it is bad.
Even that would be tolerable, so long as you knew what you were doing and were clear about it, but you're not self conscious enough to even know that you're doing it.
>>2614762Why even use the term nation state then when it seemingly just means state?
Once again, what is your definition of a nation?
Also, you know that your definition is not inline with historical Marxists or… pretty much anyone else, correct?
>>2614764>This is literally Aristotelian thinking where you are going to have to have two different words to describe the same thing but one word is for when it's good and one word is for when it is bad.
>Even that would be tolerable, so long as you knew what you were doing and were clear about it, but you're not self conscious enough to even know that you're doing it.As I told you before: take this up with your supposed fellow-countrymen "comrades" at USA/pol/ and Chapo Trap House. You are the minority here. I agree with their assessment: American "culture" does not exist, only American consumption patterns.
You coward want to comvince me, a non-American, how I should think about your country? Take it up with the guys who can actually wreck you, you faggot narcissist.
>Why even use the term nation state then when it seemingly just means state?<S E E M I N G L YMaybe apply your text comprehension to your own posts before posting more trash. Please?!
>Once again, what is your definition of a nation?The Stalin text was posted several times over just for ((((((you)))))). Maybe study it, you unbearable parasite?
>>2614765Kirk died for our sins
I will now repent
In any case…. Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing.
What can a NATO-patriot like myself do to reverse this trend?!
>inb4 nothing
Such pessimism is counter-reactionary!
>>2614767>As I told you before: take this up with your supposed fellow-countrymen "comrades" at USA/pol/ and Chapo Trap House. You are the minority here. I agree with their assessment: American "culture" does not exist, only American consumption patterns.They already are convinced. They don't believe that literally. They say "our culture is dogshit" way more often than they say "we don't have culture". The former implies the latter is false. Why do they say both? Because the second isn't literal and is only meant figuratively as the first.
<The Stalin text was posted several times over just for ((((((you)))))). Ah, the text that you didn't read?
>A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common cultureIs Stalin's definition. That would apply to Germany before it united. It would apply to the Kurds. It would apply to the Uyghurs. And nowhere in that definition is there any requirement for a state to exist. In fact Stalin explicitly points to Georgia, which wasn't a country at the time. But you didn't actually read even the first section of the text you think somehow refutes me.
Thread full.
Plz bake
>>2614770You don't have a culture. Americans aren't real.
This is a fact. Go play out your mental sickness in your containment thread.
>>2614775Every dipshit nationalist wants to either be the next hegemon or be allied with the next hegemon, and thinks that once they do they won't get just as dumb as the old hegemon. Happened with England, happened with Spain, now it's happening with the US. Your nationalism, whatever it is might be fine for now, who knows, I don't know where you live, but if it ever succeeds, it'll get just as stupid as the average American. All else is cope.
>>2614770>>>>stable community of peopleWhat other forms than a state could such stability take? Georgia became a state proper in the federated USSR. Xianjang autonomy similarly. By what definition is Kurdistan real, especially after aligning with the imperialists over and over again?
Oh, didn't you hear? Kurd automomy struggle is now cancelled by Bibi, after the ISIS state was enforced.
Much stable. Much culture. Totally not a collection of useful idiots in any shape or form.
>>2614776>Everybody will become a butger eventuallyThe imperialist burger dream failed. We won't.
BYE! >>2614778>By what definition is Kurdistan realNot meaningful to this discussion at all
<By what definition is there a Kurdish nationBy Stalin's definition
>especially after aligning with the imperialists over and over againWhy on earth do you think that that is relevant? The German nation was real enough when it invaded the USSR. Whether you think that Kurds are good or bad is irrelevant to the issue of whether they are or were a nation. At the very least, it is irrelevant to Stalin's definition.
>Kurd automomy struggle is now cancelled by Bibi, after the ISIS state was enforced.OK? Even if every Kurd was killed that wouldn't mean that Kurds weren't historically nation, it could mean that it isn't one anymore, and perhaps the kurds are losing coherence as a culture and community for the reasons you are listing, but that just would mean that they were a nation but now their nation is dead or dying.
>>2614780>The imperialist burger dream failed.Spanish dream failed too, the new hegemon still became an idiot. That's the point.
Bake?
>>2614754Russia was a vassal and is now struggling for sovereignty. Even didn't block Yugo and participated in war on terror. At first slowly starting in 2008 and then ramping up after 2011 when they barred Exxon from purchasing a majority stake in oil and instead renationalized it, which in turn led to the Maidan.
>>2614755yeah well gay rights happen because urbanization and capitalism get rid of the need for straight couples having 9+ children to harvest crops. communism will be even gayer.
>>2614789bruh they've self consciously been there for over 100 years. Stable wasn't referring to stable geopolitical conditions it was referring to that the grouping itself is stable.
>>2614764>The article he linked was Stalin during his anti-nationalism period. It more or less agrees with me.i posted it because he describes how nations arise from commerce collecting in cities at the beginning of capitalism and needing a common language brings rise to nationalism as it creates a common culture or "psychological makeup" as he calls it
of course this is simplified and applied to soviet conditions but he lays out the basic framework for identifying a nation and you can extrapolate it to modern conditions easily
by that i mean you dont have to have all four like he says, economic life takes precedence over language, like china and india are nations, even if they are made up of multiple nations. also counts for natives/indigenous, "black" nation etc because they have a common economic life and psychological makeup
and of course lenin says that doesn't mean you support reactionary splitters and secessionists or borg casino owners, you just support their right in principle and weigh each decision according to its material conditions
>>2614794Under communism there will be no gay rights because there will be no rights at all, fyi
>>2614798The grouping itself is not stable, however
>>2614812>people are hetero because of societal pressure and the need to reproduce>people are gay because of lack of societal pressure and a lack of need to reproduceYou have a poltard's understanding of human sexuality. The approx. 5% non-hetero statistic has been consistent throughout class societies. For hunter gatherers? Homosexuality was pretty much unheard of. Bisexuality? Occasional.
But I literally dont even fucking care dude about your idiocy. I don't care if everybody sucks dicks under communism as long as I can have a home and have to work no more than 2 hrs a day.
But foe you it's rhis cancerous cultural vendetta that you must wage against lenpatriarchical heteronormatives, or what fucking ever.
Get a fucking job, parasite.
>>2614812>Pic>Those who owned 11,000 assesBruh
>>2614826>But foe you it's rhis cancerous cultural vendettano i just think you are a retard for trying to bring up and conflating LGBTCIA with social progress brought by changes in material conditions. its you who is leaning in to the liberal narrative that human rights are separate from economic development and are a result of "culture"
>>2614840Stop projecting. I'm not the one who thinks in terms of rights here, to begin with.
make a new thread uyghurs
>>2614687Christianity was fucking stupid, because even the earliest Church councils had to ban self-castration because Bible clearly states that worldly desires are evil while castration negatively impacted population statistics for feudal lords. Even so, Christians had this weird obseesion with masturbation, sex and purity with communal overwatch over what happened in people's bedrooms.
This has nothing to do with LGBT or whatever, it's about a Cult organization controlling sexual life of cultists
>A reason why the Christians were prosecuted was literally that they didn't jerk off to the literal God-Emperor of the Romans.Nah, Christians were simply annoying as fuck, same as they are today. Romans tried to remove annoyance - same way Chinese and Japanese did, by the way. But unlike Romans, Asians have managed to prevent this disease from taking root and have maintained their relatively progressive religious customs over totalitarian (in)sect(oid) religion of Europeans
>>2614872Are you one of the wiggas who genuinely thinks that pagans had queer shamans and druids?
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