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>>2595789Thread in which we discuss the latest imperialist war
i wonder if the venezuelan state will collapse completely or marina machado will simply take over it intact
the fire rises
at least inflict heavy casualties on the USA pigs please
This is terrible
>>2622288Venezuelan state is going to collapse with President Machado doing shock therapy and persecution of Chavista strongholds and de-Bolivarianize. This will lead to Venezuela being a cartel and drug stronghold except Pro-American so it will be ignored as long as Chevron and the big American companies are allowed to plunder. This will lead to nostalgia for the Maduro years because things ended up worse.
>Maduro said Venezuela was a "brother country" to the United States and a friendly government. He noted that when he and Trump last spoke in November, the U.S. president had acknowledged his authority by addressing him as "Mr. President."
>"We must start to speak seriously, with the facts in hand. The U.S. government knows that, because we have said it a lot to their interlocutors, that if they want to speak seriously about the agreement to battle drug trafficking, we are ready to do that. If they want Venezuela's oil, Venezuela is ready to accept U.S. investments like those of Chevron, when, where and how they want to make them."
>>2622299This is like rotterdam surrendering just to get bombed anyways
>A Spanish-language broadcast reports that Venezuelan air defense was not active, suggesting that the military was taken by surprise.
>The commentator references U.S. strikes in Iraq and how the sky was filled with anti-aircraft fire, unlike tonight in Venezuela.
Notice how westoids blame Russia instead of the USA. Notice how westoid leftcoms declared suddenly all third world countries "bourgeois dictatorships" - basically giving a green light for US imperialism.
>>2622305>westoid leftcomsI'm Iraqi leftcom living in Iraq
>>2622304is air defense something that you're supposed to turn on
How do you think "MAGA communist" grifters like Maupin and Haz will respond to this?
>>2622307Maybe they are hiding it to keep it a possible threat
>>2622288Venezuela has its own commune system. Even if the state fails, the Revolution continues without the state structure, with a people’s militia to boot.
>>2622306>announcing you're extra retardedDamn.
China should move on Taiwan like immediately
>>2622308Who gives a fuck about those grifting nazbols?
>>2622308Why are they your first thoughts lmao
Unless the government collapses its going to work
>>2622306"leftcom" anyway
and yeah my heart is sinking for my proletariat brothers over there. too bad your revolting opportunism won't save them. nothing can but international revolution.
>>2622313>tank flag is racist and liberalcolor me shocked
Please Maduro. Take out just one yankee ship. Even just a corvette or some shit.
>>2622312That's why i don't believe this is the end of the Bolivarian Revolution. It will turn into something more radical in the coming years as the next puppet government sells the country out and they begin to attempt to stamp out the Communes and other revolutionary forces
>Fox News pundit says the unconfirmed U.S. invasion of Venezuela is for national security against Hezbollah and Iran, as well as Russia and China.
>BREAKING: Trump has ordered airstrikes on sites in Venezuela, including military facilities, U.S. officials confirm - CBS
Any word about troops on the ground?
before the strikes on iran happened the us public were against them but after it became apparent that no damage whatsoever was incurred by the us they became very popular.
the same will happen here and trump will get a bump in popularity specially since chances are not even a single american soldier will be killed while the us reaps billions of dollars in profit.
>>2622327Maybe but iran was built up as a villain venezuela protrayed as harmless and a little comically stupid and its openlt for the oil
>>2622322It’s possible. Maduros administration has more or less been focusing on bailing private companies out as opposed to providing more wealth distribution to the communes. Regardless, let’s see where this goes.
Even if Maduro dies and the Venezuelan state falls, the communes wont go down without a fight. But truth be told, I doubt the yanks are going to win a war against a huge chunk of the population that’s prepared and militarised and guided by socialist politics.
>>2622308Who gives a fucking shit, dude. Eternal e-drama brained idiot.
>>2622317The government is completely delegitimized since Iraq. Iraq at least had WMD excuse and had enough people to believe that garbage. This time they barely were able to convince anyone except the lowest of shills that Venezuela was the Hotspot for drugs and the trade when everyone knows it is Colombia and Honduras(Former druglord president got pardoned by the way). If anyone can take anything from this is that the legitimacy of the US government is completely dead. The institutions are so untrusted that they can't even convince anyone that this war is for anything but oil
>>2622331What was the alternative exactly? Sitting back and the same thing happening but with no resistance?
MASS ANTI-WAR PROTESTS IN DC, WHEN?
>>2622331>US did an imperialism againHow low are your dopamine levels right now?
>>2622337lmao
>>2622337it wont happen, most of americans are savages that live on propaganda and complacency
>>2622331Don't forget about Kazakhstan making NATO-standard factories, Serbia supplying arms to Ukraine, Armenia
and Azer going pro-US, and Belarus releasing prisoners for the US. Most pro-Russians don't have the intelligence to understand the global ramifications of Putin's cuckoldry. They're only able to see microscopic pieces of land in little Donbass.
Remember to report derailers, remember to report cucktin posters or /isg/fags whining about ACP, keep the thread clean
china must provide nukes to the world. everyone gets a nuke. give me personally an nuke
>>2622345How much help can russia and china provide?
The third world is so fucking CUCKED. Russia is cucked. Iran is cucked. China is mega ultra cucked. I bet Venezuela won't even attack back.
>>2622331>it was actually a great defeat for NATO. I doubt anyone save for those folks were saying that. NATO only strengthened and the USA has no means to end the war. If it does, that’s a massive loss of its revenue gone, given the amount of weapons they’re selling Ukraine.
>Now that Syria is goneDAANES remains
>Gaza is goneFight isn’t over yet.
>Hezbollah is goneShow me a body
>Iran is teetering on the brinkHow? Because even if the regime falls the YJAK will likely pick up the pieces
>Venezuela seems to be hours-to-days from falling, now where are these cocksuckers?Defeatist drivel.
Victory isn’t something that is won over night and even then, most of the world hasn’t stopped caring or committing action in the name of the Palestinian or Democratic Confederalist cause.
Your defeatism is short sighted and frankly, cowardly.
>>2622343Remember that this poster whining about Cucktin posters is seething that he was dead wrong again. He wrote a long diatribe in the previous thread about Cucktin posters having no accountability for their doom lol.
>>2622343It's less derailing and more about them being retarded and pinning their hopes on illusions.
Not entirely their fault, others were feeding them those illusions. There was never going to be a "united front" against the West.
>>2622348Let’s be honest, they won’t.
The other Latin American countries might however.
>>2622353Would take a lot of guts the us would fuck them up too
>>2622352Aren't you the retard who kept talking about a slow ground invasion?
i'm mexican and i do NOT think for one second venezuela will get any help from other latin american countries besides strongly worded statements on xitter, the un and la mañanera del pueblo by sheinbaum
GUYS ITS PUTIN THAT IS BAD NOT MY RETARDED METAPHYSICAL MULTIPOLAR TRASH IDEOLOGY HEHE TRUST ME ONE MORE AES TRADE DEAL WITH ISRAEL
>>2622357Somethung needs to stop this war
>>2622356???
I also mentioned air insertion, too. Unless Venezuelan military sold Maduro out, it's not going to go well for them.
>>2622337Mass protests failed to stop the genocide in Palestine.
just imagine how many americunts are going to run to join the military when it trump announces they neutralized the commie threat with zero casualties
>>2622354The US is currently run by a group of debauched incompetent nonces, so much so that it’d make a Roman senators blush.
You mean to tell me the same drooling drongos, these mopheaded mouth breathing μαλακές could overthrow a government with an armed disciplined citizenry that operates in a communal structure?
>>2604275>the VZ navy has escorted tankers through the "blockade" and they haven't been shot at, yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The terrorists will have to decide if they want the escalation.[narrator: the US intercepted an unsanctioned, escorted ship anyway without shooting at it]
>Cucktin-posters always confindently predict the (doomful) future. At least half the time they're wrong, but there's never accountability. That's why it's so easy. If the doom doesn't happen, people are happy and not looking to assign blame and hold anyone accountable for being wrong. You being wrong gets forgotten. But if the doom does happen then you're a genius and sharp-minded realist who knows stuff. Cucktinposting is a no-risk pastime.[narrator: the doomers and Cucktin posters were right yet again. Cucktin will offer words of support.]
will people parade and party in caracas when maduro is killed as american media promises? i guess we shall see how happy the pueblo is about being freedom'd
>>2622366Man even if they lose a bunch of people in venezuela get murdered
>>2622362I distinctly remember you mocking me for saying the US would do what it's currently doing in the center of Caracas. You kept posting your smug/retarded pictures and asking me what I think all the troops are for.
>>2622371>>2622368Yeah no shit Cucktin posters are silly. Water wet, fork found in kitchen, pope comes out as Catholic etc.
Now let’s focus on the happening instead of those brainless nazbols branding Z
Reminder that wholesome third world great man took a dump on his own legacy and bent over to the US right before they got him (poor fuck didn't understand that capital needs war anyway)
>>“If they want oil, Venezuela is ready for US investment, like with Chevron,” he added, referring to the US oil giant, which is the only major oil company exporting Venezuelan crude to the US.
>>2622376Maybe they got payed off
>>2622376I'm sure it was real in your mind.
>>2622375As dangerous as perhaps the Nazis were. I mean that in the sense that second the fascists picked on someone who wasn’t vulnerable or defenceless, they got their asses handed to them.
America, an arguably fascist entity, is invading a country where its people love its leader, and who are armed to the teeth, not to mention are prepared.
If you’re thinking this is going to be an “America Fuck yeah” moment, I’m ngl, given how peoples militias have arguably been some of the most effective forces fighting fascism (EAM-ELAS, Yugoslav partisans, Italian partisans etc) I doubt the USA will achieve anything grand.
>but Iraq This ain’t Iraq, and it sure AF ain’t Grenada either. This is going to be a 21st century Vietnam.
>>2622382>official government documents being typed up in Windows 7 Wordpadgrim
Somebody please nuke the usa
>>2622372The US doesn't care about Chinese and Russian cooperation agreements. Why would it, honestly? As the staunch multipolaristas tell us, China and Russia aren't going to do anything that risks WW3. The US effectively has a free hand.
What are the odds Venezuela has something up its sleeve? 0.1%?
>>2622383Hey facetiming the news thing worked the watermelon seller is still inpower
Ya, I remember Tankanon mocking the decap angle. But there's no point. He always pretends it was someone else using his flag when he makes a fool of himself.
>>2622389>What are the odds Venezuela has something up its sleeve? 0.1%?slim that they pull something major off, but Venezuela's real trumpcard is the US gov consisting of retards.
>>2622391True, production value doesn't really matter in a crisis I guess
>>2622389Venezuela has an armed citizenry that'd make the Viet Cong proud
There's no special secret weapon. Just organisation and tactics. They're in a rough spot w/ sanctions, but nothing brings a country together like resisting foreign invasion. Their army assets are enough to probably repel a US ground invasion - or at least force the yanks to unacceptable loss
>>2622395All five previous threads are in the OP. Go ahead.
>Venezuelan media report that the United States also struck the Cuartel de la Montaña complex in Caracas, a former military museum that was converted into Hugo Chávez’s mausoleum after his death. The remains of the former Venezuelan leader are kept there.
>>2622402Even spite towards the dead
>>2622402I wonder the conversation war hawks have when they decide to put something like this as priority bombing target
Cuba is next.
It's over.
>>2622405Cuba is a neoliberal state with wage slavery. What's over?
>>2622407How does this answer my question?
>>2622399>Venezuela has an armed citizenry that'd make the Viet Cong proudThey can seemingly just bomb the country without any retaliation, so how much do these would-be insurgents matter?
>>2622406>Cuba is a neoliberal state with wage slavery.Me when words don't mean anything
>>2622365I see you got your diploma in geopolitics from Marvel University.
>>2622328>IT'S ALREADY A WAR?Yup
>>2622331>ome years ago when I was telling retards in /ukr/ that Russia getting bogged down in Ukraine was terrible, actual retards sabocat and spanish republic flag faggot were assuring me that it was actually a great defeat for NATO.Eh, if you think about it, Putin does have what military types call "escalation dominance" in Ukraine which means he's willing to one-up the West in Ukraine more than the West is willing to match him. So the strategy that the U.S. is adopting is to eliminate Russia's assets elsewhere. Like a government that is friendly to Russia gets overthrown here, invaded there, someone taking money from Russian intelligence gets his car blown up, etc. and this is done repeatedly in places where Putin can't do much about it.
>>2622409see
>>2622379I thought you radlibs hated compradors
>>2622389Like what? There's maybe a 0.000001% chance that Venezuela's new strategic partner, Putin, can convince Trump to leave Caracas as a "gesture of goodwill" the way Putin left Kiev as a "gesture of goodwill."
Otherwise, scorched earth on the oil is a move, though that requires a non-cucked mentality toward the US that is severely lacking in this world.
>>2622411>Me when words don't mean anythingToo bad mine does and it is a question that you can't answer.
>>2622411>They can seemingly just bomb the country without any retaliation, so how much do these would-be insurgents matter?You can bomb something for years. But if a grunt with a rifle isn't standing on top of it, you don't own it. It's that simple.
>>2622413He has escalation dominance he's too afraid to use because muh WW3. So that's effectively no escalation dominance.
>>2622421so you have no answer
nothing is over because cuba is just another liberal state
i suppose a lot of workers will die but they are already dying in iran and you dont care
>>2622417how would nukes have saved them if their air defense is this shit, though
would venezuela have retaliated by bombing miami (if the us didn't disable any nukes or launching capabilities first)? probably not
>>2622413Most (all?) of those car bombings are happening in Moscow. They've reached the point where they believe the Russian leadership is so timid that they can attempt to assassinate Putin. And look what's happened the past few days: nothing. I doubt it's a coincidence that this Ven operation started immediately after Putin showed he wouldn't even respond to assassination attempts.
>>2622386Why don't they just libre office
>>2622424one nuke and puerto rico is an undersea crater
>>2622389it doesnt have anything except vast jungles and an armed militia, and most assuredly an army trained on guerrilla warfare like all latin american armies for the last 5 decades, it's basically vietnam 2, but worse because the US is internally tethering on collapse already and is financing two huge fronts already.
My prediction?
Mods will eventually wake up and start banning "Cuba has wage slavery" and "Venezuela is a bourgeois dictatorship" posters who will out themselves as reactionaries by then commencing to spam the site with CP and feces porn.
But I'm no geopolitics expert, so…
>>2622431No, I mean suddenly there are crypto-imperialist third campists out of nowhere.
>>2622431they dont usually become active with retarded posters that are completely against the vein of 99% of leftypol
>>2622433nm, I see what you were replying to.
>>2622432Another day on /leftypol/.
>>2622432Mf want to complete the socdemification of leftypol lmao. Mad that it isn't just ziggers anymore.
So, all the "anti-imperialist" people against Israel will be against this war too, right?
>>2622437>anymoreMLs will outlast you, shitlib. Always have.
>>2622424how would the USA disable the nukes or launching capabilities? and yes. launch a ballistic missile at miami or whatever other large USA city within range. since we're talking hypotheticals why assume they would only have the range to reach miami? nuke new york, L.A. and D.C.
Chances of boots on the ground?
>>2622444apparently there are already boots on the ground
>>2622444if there's paratroops on the ground, theyre probably all going to die by sunrise
>>2622444honestly almost certainly at least one attempt
and then Gallipoli 2
Reminder this is happening because Trump declared fentanyl a "weapon of mass destruction" and used the war on drugs as a pretext to invade Venezuela.
All of you stalinist scumbags supporting the war on drugs are complicit, fuelling the drug war propaganda.
>>2622430My country isn't at war with Cuba
Thanks for admitting that Cuba is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie tho
>>2622432>"Cuba has wage slavery" and "Venezuela is a bourgeois dictatorship" A traditionally leftist ideological lens is too up-market. I sincerely and unironically believe that a number of the conflicts the last five years can be understood purely through the lens of zoomer street smarts and cuck psychology (or, if you like, Great Cuck Theory). That's how primitive some of these geopolitical power dynamics are.
>>2622444It's happening and it's going to be embarrassing because America doesn't have the stomach for casualties. Get ready to nonstop wall to wall bitching and moaning because Timmy lost a leg or whatever.
>>2622451Just overdose already.
>>2622432>But I'm no geopolitics expertAll you know is critical support and geopol albeit
>>2622434I had an insomniac brain glitch and somehow missed seeing that there was a reply link in there. Don't mind my retardation, carry on.
>>2622462lol the leaks were real they truly delivered a statement in arial 16 made in wordpad
is it true this has been named OES (Operation Epstein Spear)?
>>2622466REAL American democracy have never been tried
>murder innocent fisherman
>claim its about drugs
>scrap that; say its about regime change
>mask off; say its about oil
btw a big convoy of Chinese officials had just arrived in Venezuela for talks with Maduro like 4 hours ago
>>2622462they got the year wrong heh
>>2622469The US could excute them point blank and Xi won't do shit (leftcom praxis)
>>2622444We’ll see. If they do try and invade Venezuela by foot I’m ngl, I think they’ll get their asses handed to them
Leftoid "support our imperialist government" libs are going to blame Putin for this war, because "le Putin has opened the can of worms"
>>2622466Democrats always find their anti-war chops when a Republican is president and they can't do anything about it.
>>2622469IMMINENT: BEIJINGS FINAL ULTIMATE ULTIMATUM FOR REAL THIS TIME
>>2622468Trump will pull the mask off then put it back on, then put it on halfway, sideways, lopsided, whatever.
It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, it's just throwing everything at the wall, flooding the waves.
>>2622469China has already created white list for sales of rare earths to USA and Europe. Let's hope they issue sanctions on USA or something. USA needs to be demilitarized ASAP
There is a very high chance that Russia sold Venezuela out via the peace agreement for Ukraine. Could still be wrong, but unlikely honestly.
Now that the main supplier of fentanyl has been eliminated how will comrades in the US get their daily dose? If you actually do the math:
>few thousands killed in Venezuela
Vs.
>Millions of American proletariat dying from withdrawal and due to a lack of healthcare
Third worldists only see a brown country being invaded by they don't give a shit about the real victims here.
>>2622472Xi could do a shitton economically.
>>2622469>btw a big convoy of Chinese officials had just arrived in Venezuela for talks with Maduro like 4 hours agoIt's a stark reminder that this little arrangement Putin has with foreign diplomats and leaders flying in and out of Kiev isn't the norm.
It's also a stark reminder that the US believes Chinese leaders, for all their military and economic capabilities, lack a certain mentality that would present a threat to US aggression.
>>2622481China backed down on the rare earths for some flimsy concessions.
>>2622456Lmao there goes your Venezuela retard, Colombia is next, keep it up
What're the chances we'll get some kind of anti-war movement going
>>2622483Zigger-made bait. You tried
This must be how 9/11 felt like
>>2622484yeah like imperialising africa
"No new wars" POTUS starting two new wars
>>2622483Bait.
Both deserve support without one exploiting or damning the other. The US is the great Satan that brings death and misery to its own proles and Venezualas. The US government is what deserves scorn, not its proles on the basis of them being proles
>>2622489In LatAm? High. In Global North? Low.
>>2622485True and Russia doesnt probably care what happens to Venezuela as they consider it part of the american sphere of influence. Which made my prediction sadly true I made about Russia in the Ukrop thread. They love american treats and dont care about anything else. In other words: Fuck Putin. Hopefully the communists coup him. Would be the only good outcome.
>>2622489About three-fifty
>>2622489Honestly, I was watching retro longplays on YouTube earlier today that have more views than there'll be anti-war protesters in the States.
>>2622489USA society is a fascist society. they love war. they worship death.
How are there so many historic events happening now holy shit
>wake up
>bombs on Venezuela
what an unpleasant and totally expected surprise.
Will Xi do something.
I will not fedpost. So I hope the warmongering fascist orange rapist gets impeached and removed.
>>2622486That's what American copium was. In reality, China DIDN'T rescind their policy, merely promised to postpone it - in return for immediate decrease in tariffs, so that China now has lesser tariff rate than, say, India
>>2622505>Will Xi do something.no
>>2622489Anti-war movement died after Iraq. Millions of people in the streets, barely covered by the media, and nothing happened.
I would love to be proven wrong but I won't.
Even all the outrage with Gaza led to nothing. The average American barely knows or cares about Venezuela beyond what they've been fed from the right-wing propaganda machine.
I WANNA SEE DEAD GRINGOS STRUNG UP ALL OVER THE STREETS OF CARACAS BU THE END OF THE MONTH FOLLOWED BY TOTAL EUROID NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION
>>2622505There are ontologists who argue that nothing is something, so…
>>2622507yeah, this. china made out like bandits in that deal
>>2622511then xi will do less than nothing
So, is that gusano woman who preached regime change in her own country still in Venezuela?
>>2622516no, didn't she flee last month?
>>2622498>Yeah, 9/11/1973Yeah, this aint the first time that the USA has made unprovoked attacks against south american countries.
>>2622382Venezuela still broadcasts in SD with 80s quality
What did you expect?
Libs might be against it since Trump is the one doing the regime change
>>2622492This is 1000x worse than 9/11 from a Venezuelan perspective.
For Americans this would be like if aliens bombed Washington DC.
>>2622520they will just say they're standing on business against war or whatever and do nothing
>>2622517No she went to Norway (despite being under a travel ban) and then "came back". I'm almost certain she's being harbored by the CIA.
>>2622497>In LatAm? High. lmao
they all want the venecos out of their countries and killing maduro would be the quickest way to achieve that
Has Maduro been confirmed dead yet? What's going on?
At least the democrats are against the war. But they're against the war the same way middle class people were against Vietnam. America will not disengage from this conflict unless its obvious nothing is to be gained from keeping on fighting.
>>2622524>they all want the venecos out of their countries yeah well they will get a full-blown refugee crisis now
>>2622525Wait, he's dead?
>>2622525>>2622528Relax, of course he isn't dead.
>>2622527what do you think they have?
>>2622524>they all want the venecos out of their countries and killing maduro would be the quickest way to achieve thatlmao what? Are you retarded? You realize this war will create a massive number of refugees right?
>>2622525i assume if he's dead then it will take time to confirm, and if he's alive he wouldn't telegraph his location by appearing on the news
>>2622532economic migrants
But still, remember in the beginning of the Ukrop war it looked like the Gov completely collapsed? It took a while before some resistance showed up, could be similar here, who knows?
These were precise military targets, not against """cartel""" assets. This is a pretext for invasion.
>>2622528>>2622530>>2622534I mean, I've been posting a lot of the speculations on decapitation strikes, but I'm wondering whether someone with access to South American televised news or something has any word of confirmations.
>>2622498>>2622518I have a Chilean in my family who is a pinochet supporter (and a trump supporter). I bet he'll approve of this unprovoked war on venezuela. I've also got other personal reasons to hate the guy.
milgeeks seem to think the helicopters doing gun runs was a bad sign for the mission. implies ground forces were in contact.
>>2622526yeah. i mean it goes without saying but dems won't do shit for the same reason they have failed to prosecute trump on any other of his blatant criminality. some of them secretly want the shit that trump is doing and others like AOC and Bernie have a retarded reverence for proper procedure and shit. trump murders someone and they say 'erm actually article shit section fuck paragraph whatever says you can't do that so stop right now'
>>2622541Why do rightwing south americans hate their own country so much? Its basically the opposite in eastern yurop.
I wanted a nothingburger for once, but then the Burgerreich had to sizzle anyway.😭
STAND WITH VENEZUELA! 🇻🇪 To victory against imperialism and fascism!
>>2622540>but I'm wondering whether someone with access to South American televised news or something has any word of confirmations.what you think venezuelans dont have xitter, if we dont know anything it's because venezuelans on the ground also dont know anything
>>2622542
>you Postmodern Foucauldian Liberal Anarchist Clown
But you always call me 'based comrade' :(
>>26225341/4 of the population in just a few years
Most of those who would have left already did, it's like 1/3 for Syrians after a longer period
TRUMPS VIETNAM
>>2622538I swear if that guy keels over I'm going to troll his supporters so hard that he died because he took the vaxx, rejecting all their deep-state conspiracies.
>>2622544Call your representative and tell them to start impeaching the orange fuck.
Send them a letter.
>>2622550you're a retarded reactionary but yes they're still economic migrants, and you will get actual refugees if this was protracts. most of everyone in the major cities will try to leave.
>>2622548>what you think venezuelans dont have xitter, if we dont know anything it's because venezuelans on the ground also dont know anythingthere's venezuelan's on 4chan posting about the war right now.
>>2622551This is like Vietnam but not at all
>Iran’s foreign ministry condemns what it calls a U.S. military attack on Venezuela, saying it violates the UN Charter and international law, threatens regional and global peace, affirms Venezuela’s right to self-defense, and urges UN action.
>>2622547Overdose on fentanyl junkie, critical support for America's drug war
>>2622557>UN comes in.Imagine.
>>2622554What kind of migrants do you think Colombia has been dealing with?
>>2622548Well, Twitter seems to be mostly a bunch of slow Westoids reposting shit from elsewhere.
It's like what happens with news on the Ukraine war that first appears in Russian/Ukrainian on Telegram and then sometimes takes two hours to migrate to Twitter.
Isnt it a little bit weird how little videos we get out of Venezuela when compared to even just Kiev in the beginning of the war?
>>2622562Kiev knew war was coming and there were many commentators. I don't think it had been easy in recent months for journalists to enter the Venezuelan border because of neighbouring countries.
>>2622550Where did this 1/4 of population nonsense come from? Google shows completely different data, like, 3 millions out of 30 millions population over 10 years.
>>2622552Trump's position on vaccines has always been awkward because Operation Warp Speed (which brought the covid vaccines) happened under his presidency, he wants to take credit for that but he also has to pander to his deranged antivax base
>>2622562venezuela is a significantly poorer country
>>2622555im pretty sure venezuelanalysis on xitter through a vpn is on the ground and is an actual reputable source and not random anons, they havent reported anything yet
Is Maduro fleeing to Moscow?
>>2622560economic migrants, what's so hard to understand you fucking imbecile. why do you repeat misinfo you barely understand?
>>2622562American information warfare. They flood news with other shit.
>>2622570Fascist America? Civil war?
>>2622562That's because everything Russia does is sluggish as fuck. Look what happens with their strike packages. Three or four days heavily broadcast with air redeployments.
Now thats how you do a special military operation
>>2622575Inshallah the national divorce will be accomplished
>>2622579Uh, wait for result first, at least.
Most of the neoliberal South American states seem to be reacting negatively. At the end of the day, porky politicians still have brains and can still do basic politicking. They won't do shit though.
>>2622558LMAO!
Tankanon, the CIA got him, NOOOOOOO! 😂
How the fuck did Chinooks manage to get into Venezeula without being fired upon?
>>2622565R4V has the number of legal Venezuelans who presented their Venezuelan IDs/passports for residence in other countries as reported by national migration entities, completely excluding people who didn't do any of that (entered illegally and so on) for obvious reasons, and they report 6.9 million (out of projected 32 or 33 million by now), which would be 20-21%
>>2622546>Why do rightwing south americans hate their own country so much? Its basically the opposite in eastern yurop.Rightoids tend to have self-destructive tendencies i guess.
>>2622583yeah compradores cannot conduct business if there's a literal war at your neighbor's door, like any pig comprador is shitting itself if the US can at any moment arrive at your doorstep and just fucking dismantle your business
anti-chavistas going crazy w bloodlust seeing an invasion
cant revolt cant organize just wait for american boot and lie!!
>>2622577Not really. The buildup to this was also very sluggish.
>>2622588Kremlincucks didn't give Venezuela air defense because they literally couldn't conceive that America would do something non-boring.
Fog of war!
Take any Westoid sauce with a truck-load of salt.
>>2622299Cuck but also they were never going to have a choice anyway. Unenviable position.
Blackest reaction etc. etc.
>>2622588Echeloned air defence implies having multiple layers of air defence. Venezuela doesn't have a navy that's capable of denying air over ocean
they're calling it the most telegraphed invasion of all time
>>2622594Very convenient. Very convenient theres so many drugs on a cultural site. This is fascist shit.
>>2622562Whatever they did here seems limited in scope and was over very quickly. It also might have went wrong at some point considering they had helicopters doing close air support.
>>2622588Saw reporting saying that the AA command were taken by surprise but has since disappeared
>>2622600>>2622588Oh, and also, back during the siege of Azovstal, there was an episode where a group of helicopters landed there by flying extremely low over water. Russia does have a navy with AA capabilities, though, so on the return route helicopters were shot down
Oh no 5 helicopters. Whatever you do, don't scramble a fighter jet or anything.
>>2622594Legit or a clickbait feed?
Cucktin would never do something like this. His WW1 boomer brain can't conceive of the
power of the spectacle.
>Venezuela's capital is not at geographic centre of the country
Any revolutionary/anti-imperialist government must fix that as soon as they get into power. Even the Bolsheviks got that right, when they moved to Moscow.
>>2622589"Western World"cucks have never seen Venezuelans IRL so they can't really imagine those numbers, and how they're probably already Syria-tier in percentage of how many left
das weltkrieg
>>2622616*Der Weltkrieg
Dumbass
Cubas next
>>2622608>Oh no 5 helicopters. Whatever you do, don't scramble a fighter jet or anything.>>2622588>How the fuck did Chinooks manage to get into Venezeula without being fired upon?The US are masters at generating paralysis by demoralization. They also understand the power of the symbol. Stalin and Zhukov had these understandings too. Christcucktin lacks these understandings.
>>2622622BULLSHIT
tell me this isn't real
>>2622619That's just pulled from Wikipedia where that info had no source.
Nobody who could have been considered a target has been seen on TV. This happened in the early morning
>>2622624Just reported on AJ
>>2622583Because they are worried about the flood of Venezuelan refugees. Venezuelans are Gyspy-tier hated in Latin America at the moment
HOLY SHIT HE CAPTURED MADURO AND HIS WIFE
>>2622622LMAOLMAOLMAOMeanwhile, Zelensky has been prancing around the globe for four years mocking Russia.
>>2622622>>2622628Considering how often he makes up details about operations, I'll believe Maduro being captured when I see him on camera.
1 DAY SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION
It's actually fucking over.
Era of blackest reaction moment
>stealing a countries president
This is against every conceivable international law I can think of.
>>2622638Okay, Putin, but what are you gonna do about it?
If they had Chinooks in 1939 there would be no WW2.
Lmao what a fucking clown world
<Trump says ‘Maduro captured’ as US carried out ‘large-scale strike’ against Venezuela
US President Donald Trump has claimed that the United States has carried out a “large-scale strike” against Venezuela and its leader, President Nicolás Maduro.
In a post on Truth Social, Trump said Maduro and his wife had been “captured and flown out of the country” following the operation, which he said was conducted “in conjunction with US law enforcement”.
>>2622638Imagine the U.S. captured Putin in Alaska
Axis of resistance my ass. China is on its own.
They're going to torture him. They're going to torture him and his wife until he fesses up for crimes that do not exist.
>>2622645Let's hope he is talking out of his ass again like usual.
Hate to say it, but Ukraine war would've been over in under a year with different Russian leadership.
THE ORANGE PEDOPHILE IS STYLING ON YOU CUCKTIN. HE KIDNAPPED MADURO ON THE FIRST FUCKING DAY MEANWHILE ZELENSKY STILL LIVES EVEN YEARS AFTER THE START OF YOUR "SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION"
If true this would be like ww2 or the gulf war, a victory that will perp americucks for 5 more decades of forever wars
Dolittle raid ahh shit
>>2622649honestly. being captured alive by the USA is worse than death.
>>2622649Is he truly captured? I thought he was in China.
https://erikhoudini.com/#post?id=120952&title=no-war-but-class-warThere was going to be this whole piece. The hauntological aspects of Lil Peep's fandom. The intellectualization of a generation worshipping a social media ghost. The near fight with a dropshipper, a merchant of nothing, charging $15 for a glorified karaoke set. Words said about confrontational principles, standing on business, making moves. Whatever. Read Art of War if you want, because there's something more important to speak on.
The United States of America has begun bombing the capital of Venezuela. Livestreams are already popping up all over the internet. The revolution might not be televised, but the carnage of imperial plunder will be. This iteration of resource piracy by way of "democracy" is different than the regime's last several. Vietnam: the fear of communism, the "way of life," the securing interests of the CIA-backed government, the Mossad element with the USS Liberty, context. Iraq, Afghanistan. 9/11, mass-manufactured consent, "terrorists," and a promise of "bringing democracy to the Middle East." Narratives spun like yarn by the capitalist class in order to justify the slaughter to the workers here. This iteration is different. Venezuela is purely and openly a resource grab, with Trump boldly speaking onto the Fox News-playing TV screen, "it's our oil, we're taking back our oil." More Gazas coming to a livestream near you. It has become our national pastime, hasn't it? Bloody, visceral slaughter of brown people in whatever part of the world "terrorists" live. Oh, I'm sorry, is it narco-terrorists now? Sixty years of the war on drugs failing to do anything but create more prison slaves, and that's the best narrative they could spin. It's a farce; we know it's a farce.
Yet my fear is that there are going to be two types of people. One group, resigned to the hopeless nihilism of the impossibility of "getting the United States Government, Military (and contractors), as well as global Fossil Fuel capitalists, to stop waging war in the name of profit." It is an impossible task, and those who know it must be done will quickly be smothered in this nihilistic abandon; it is the easiest path, it consumes us. Every easy night, every plotting on the 401k, every "we need to focus on saving to buy a home in 10 years," every "we can just make it work" is the easiest way for revolutionary energy to be severed. It is easier to say "nothing can be done" than to break down the impossible into smaller, possible steps that can be actualized over 5 years. The immediacy of our news, our social media, our day to day, in combination with the (still rotting) carrot attached to the stick, it allows the bulk of the nation to surrender to the capitalist, to allow them to operate. It is not their families being taken from the streets. Not their families being arrested. Not their families being bombed abroad. That is enough to allow the comfort to consume the soul of a revolutionary. We all must become revolutionaries if we are to win.
The second group: these are the people who have already, or are in the process of, revoking their humanity to the spectacle of slaughter. "It's our oil, let's take it!" transformed into a battle cry for a group of people who relish the potential of slaughtering man, woman, and child alike. The honorless warrior class, the mercenary and his ilk. The hyper-nationalist who simply believes what those who tell him to wave the flag tell him. The hard hat riots of Vietnam come to mind. Both working-class groups, one surrendered absolutely to a faux-nationalist cause. This group could be the unspoken "mass majority," perhaps not. The belief that the bulk of the people around you fall into this group is a key part of surrendering to the nihilism of the first group.
What is to be done? Simple. The work. The work of battling despair. The work of standing on business. The work of having hard conversations. The work of building bail funds, community pantries, and mutual aid organizations. It's all that can be done, and in the midst of that, work as if your group is the group that can do the impossible. Link your group with another group that's moving the same. Work within your material conditions to actualize praxis that can build the dual power needed to challenge the planetary slaughter system, the anti-life regime. If there is a mass that does not align with the wholesale slaughter of people in other countries in the name of powering AI data centers, then give this group a name and fight for it, god damn it! You have to fight; there is no other choice! You have to get out there and talk to people! You have to go to the masses! You have to fight for the masses! The same people that profit from our poverty and misery are the same who profit from the bombs dropping on the third world right now! They've taken all of our futures, all of our peace, all of our hopes and dreams and all of the goddamn animals and reefs and the beautiful people around the world; they are raping you and what is yours, and you are being told it is hopeless. You simply have to fight; there is no world left if you, if I, if we do not stand for what is right. This is naked, genocidal imperialism, and it must be stopped by any means necessary. We must begin to find meaning in the endless struggle; We must begin to build a vision of a better tomorrow; we, the workers of the world, depend on it.
-Erik Houdini
>>2622656No anon of course he isn't. He was out doing the griddy with his countrymen weeks ago.
oh fuck off houdini
absolute disaster
>>2622634I'll wait for Venezuelan authorities to confirm this.
It's not impossible. Mobilise enough troops to quickly raid the capital, outnumbering the local defence before they can mobilise.
Still, radars? I'm not aware of stealth helis being a thing.
CRITICAL SUPPORT TO AMERICA'S DRUG WAR
DOWN WITH DRUG DEALER MADURO
BOMB THE FENTANYL PRODUCERS
VICTORY TO MARXISM-LENINISM
Trump can literally just do whatever and everyone goes along with it.
How much longer can this go on?
>>2622652kek, in one day, that orange fat cunt rendered all Zigga excuse-making null and void.
this is so fucked up
>>2622665I wouldnt be surprised Trump got excited to announce with flimsy intelligence and decided to post that Maduro got captured
this doesn't mean shit unless america actually invades
now it's fucking German-commando'd the fucking president, maybe it thinks disorganised leadership will make the military complex collapse.
well my hope is that trumps next press conference will be remembered as his mission accomplished moment
Hopefully this will make Russian normies demand more of their cucked leaders, but I doubt it.
MARXIST-LENINISTS SUPPORT THE WAR ON DRUGS
AES STATES AGREED TO THE UN ANTI- DRUG CONVENTION
VENEZUELA IS A BOURGEOISIE DRUG EMPIRE
CRITICAL SUPPORT TO AMERICA'S SCIENTIFIC SOCIALIST FIGHT AGAINST NARCOTICS
ABOLISH FENTANYL NOW
Can't wait too hear the strongly worded letter Venezuela will send the UN
The real victim was Houdini all along.
If Maduro truly is captured there was 100% a deal struck with Trump behind the scenes so he surrenders
>>2622672>attrition/invasion weenies still seething that it was this easyeven I as a decap bro couldn't imagine it being this easy… they got him alive lmfao
>>2622671i'm still doubtful. it could be psyop to create confusion and collapse and opposition uprising. istr a lot of announcements about iranian leaders that turned out false.
will wait for proof, not just the say so of the lying grifter
>>2622686That's even worse.
I think Putin needs to think real hard about the shit he sold the Venezeulans. They had nothing to fight 5 black chinooks.
>>2622680Jesus Christ finally
Did some traitorous pilot or military element hand him over or something? I can't think of any other way they'd be able to do this.
>>2622686Way, way more likely is that the US had inside moles in high places inside the Venezuelan admin.
not to go 'nothing ever happens', but it kinda just sounds like a hit-and-run
America just did in one day what the CIA couldn't do to Castro in 50 years.
>>2622690tbf, I doubt Putin gave them anything. Do you really think the guy who gave a televised commiseration over the fact that Trump didn't receive the Nobel… and the guy whose envoy is on Twitter calling Trump "daddy" and saying that Trump walks like a king and posting Qanon quotes… would do anything to upset his Western partner Donald?
Diosdado status?
has maduro even been captured? the only thing we got is a truth social post and trump has been bullshitting a lot recently
>>2622697I bet another 100 that if tried, he will be tried by a puppet government, rather than an international body.
Saddam was refused an international trial because they had no evidence to prove that he ordered a genocide.
Nothing is happening.
Russian Telegram is a riot rn lmao.
>>2622692Who knows how many moles were in Venezuela. For a supposed dictator, Maduro did not do any purges of the military, Tribunals or anything to keep high ranking military members in check. A lot of the trust were placed on communes and chavista strongholds
>>2622702Unless Maduro comes out and says "look I'm alive I'm fine" he's either dead or captured
>>2622701I'm wondering about that too. Sure, Maduro and Cilia were at the top, but what about all the other chavista leaders who were next in line?
>>2622679still have to go to work on monday
its not happening
>>2622686The deal was struck indeed – but it wasn't struck with Maduro.
>>2622710
you could always set a [redacted] on fire instead
>>2622710
Where are you? I’ll make sure to follow the news
>>2622710
Stop that faggy Bushnell shit and start take action against this odious systen
>>2622710
shut up idiot, go outside for a bit.
>>2622710
What the fuck is even happening man? Venezuela is just a US state now
>>2622705Imagine having cucktin who came back because of Gaddafi saw this happen and can't even pull an SO or capture Zelensky
>>2622710
On the minutest of chances that you're for real, don't, comrade. All these geopolitical events are outside your power zone. You know what's not outside your power zone? Volunteering at a soup kitchen, a refuge, even an animal shelter. You have the power to decide whether someone in need gets extra help or not.
>>2622696Absolutely insane
>>2622695Tbh this was a nothingburger
>>2622710
If you are serious calm down. Plenty of voices are opposed to the war
>>2622710
This shit will not do anything. That one soldier lit himself on fire and absolutely nothing happened. At best you will be the footnote in a local newspaper.
If you really don't value your life at all there's so many other far more productive things you could be doing instead.
Whatever is happning now is not normal
>>2622688Underrated post. This
TURN THE IMPERIALIST WAR INTO CIVIL WAR
>>2622710
Calm down bud. Maduro was willing to capitulate to imperialist cock literally just a few hours ago. In the grand scheme of things this is meaningless. Who ever is next in line to take the reigns will still sell their shit to Russia and China but now chevron will get a fat paycheck too.
>>2622727What bait? Stalinists are luddic conservative hypocrites. You cheered this on you fuckwits.
Trump is anti imperialist, remember that
>>2622729HOW THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING
>>2622730>will still sell their shit to Russia and ChinaLmao you wish
>>2622710
Calm down, retard
Mods are never there when you need them. Disgraceful…
Anyone else think that future of warfare is going to be like this? Short coups?
God. It must have been fun to be in one of those helicopters.
>>2622710
don't listen to the other guys, you should kill yourself because you're clearly a retard
>>2622731So you are openly admitting you are baiting and strawmanning MLs. Easy to lure it out
Its over. Maduro has been captured. Cheap oil for the american proles incoming. Another great victory for American socialism.
>>2622710
Do it retard, I'm gonna piss on your corpse. Fuck Maduro.
So that's that, then? Venezuela becomes a neoliberal cesspit, just like that? Aren't there supposed to be communes and Chavista strongholds, or something?
American proxy war against China victory: 1
>>2622741What strawmanning? Every communist party state agreed to the UN anti-drug convention. MLs have been saying "we will shoot the drug dealers" for decades here. HYPOCRITES.
>>2622738Look at the US take out Panama and Grenada. The backyard is always easy to bully. Only exception is Cuba and that is due to multiple circumstances
Isnt this literally blatant disregarding of global laws
>>2622688You might be correct, but in that case, wouldn't it be better for Maduro if he came out and said "I'm still here, they're lying"?
>>2622750>global lawsThis is murika
>>2622746The government is still intact. Maduro being captured or not doesn't change that fact.We will have to wait and see what happens.
>>2622737No idea why this site keeps randomly removing my name. Annoying.
Raiders, show proof. No, social media posts are not proof. lol
>>2622749Tbh cuba might be even quicker right now
>>2622750Maduro disregarded global laws when he stole the elections
(Rule 12 - low-quality reactionary content) Venezeula: Colonised
Cuba:
Greenland:
>>2622756And? No laws against rigging elections, the world isn't a global democracy.
>>2622748Where is the proof of Venezuela in this trade? All five of the ML states on Earth doesn't believe that
>>2622747China's foreign policy has been abysmal, so, unless they shape up (they will not), China will lose the coming century to blatant US Imperialism.
>>2622756Kill yourself burgerfucker.
>>2622750US has never given a shit about international law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act>The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". This authorization led to the act being nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act",[4] since the act would allow the president to order military action in The Hague, the seat of the ICC, to prevent American or allied officials and military personnel from being prosecuted or detained by the ICC.[5] The next 72 hours are critical for the world.
If the United States succeeds in imposing control over Venezuela, and by extension over the world’s largest proven oil reserves, it will mark a major shift in global power.
Such a move would not be about restoring democracy or protecting human rights, but about reasserting strategic dominance over energy, trade routes, and regional alignments.
In that case, Iran would likely move to the forefront of Washington’s strategic priorities.
Securing control over Venezuelan oil would reduce U.S. vulnerability to energy disruptions in the Gulf and provide a buffer against supply shocks in the event of a confrontation with Iran.
With a reliable alternative source of heavy crude under its influence, Washington would be better positioned to absorb or offset the destruction or shutdown of energy infrastructure in the Persian Gulf during a war.
This would lower the economic cost of escalation and make military pressure against Iran more politically and economically manageable.
At the same time, such control would strengthen the United States’ ability to shape global oil flows and pricing, reinforcing the central role of the dollar in energy markets and helping preserve the petrodollar system that underpins U.S. financial power.
Venezuela would thus become more than a regional issue.
It would become a strategic precedent, a demonstration that economic pressure, political engineering, and, if necessary, force can be used to restructure sovereign states and realign the global balance of power.
However, if the United States becomes entangled in Venezuela and faces sustained resistance, the outcome shifts dramatically.
A prolonged crisis would drain political capital, stretch military and economic resources, and weaken Washington’s capacity to project power elsewhere, including in the Middle East.
That would also complicate Israeli strategic planning, which is closely tied to U.S. regional leverage.
What happens in Venezuela will not stay in Latin America.
It will shape the future of energy control, the limits of American power, and the direction of geopolitical confrontation far beyond Caracas.
-Ibrahim Majed
>>2622762Soy venezolano y te puedes mamar una caravana de huevos, vine a leftypol específicamente a burlarme de ustedes mamahuevos imbéciles jajajajaja Muerte a Maduro
Nothingburger bros…
Can I get a synopsis of how awful Maduro was for Venezeula now that he is toast?
so now what
>>2622761You're actually right its over for China I fell for the Chinese century meme
>>2622751I am no expert but it might make it worse to announce he is alive and they can track where he is easier
>>2622751It's still early morning in Venezuela. Give it a minute. They haven't confirmed his alledged kidnapping either. The US hasn't shown any proof either.
This indeed smells like a big psyop, you morons keep falling for.
>>2622759The proof is that you cheered on persecution of drugs and you're getting a nation bombed "over fentanyl'.
US Democrats have something to be mad about now. Procedures have been ignored!:
>CNN reports that the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee was not informed in advance of potential military action in Venezuela.
>According to sources, the Trump administration has not committed to notifying Congress before launching strikes, despite lawmakers insisting they should be briefed ahead of any such action.
>>2622767No civil war, absolutely nothing happened, one guy got taken away, when are the elections?
>>2622768He had the blood of thousands of venezuelans from the last 3 protest periods, he stole the elections not once but twice and he destroyed the economy of one of the most prosperous countries in Latin america
America would not say "we've kidnapped maduro" if he was able to say he hasn't. That's not logical.
>>2622743
Americans are too comfortable to take any action.
As long as Americans live well, they will sit by and allow their fascists to destroy the world. Never take any American chauvinist's demands for 'healthcare, affordable housing etc' seriously.
The American enjoy the warmth of the beast's belly. Americans are our sworn ennemies. All of them. The newborn american is a future enabler of fascism.
A few nuclear oopsies on Turtle Island is the way forward.
>>2622766All I read is gusano slop
>>2622710
Don't end your life for no benefit to the world. Westoids will laugh and say you are a hysterical woke soyboy who died like a weak Indian widow. If you truly want to take action, do something that will have an impact and the right kind of impact at that. That would usually mean organizing but I don't know your situation.
>>2622746>Aren't there supposed to be communes and Chavista strongholds, or something?Well they're still there and they're going to be put to the test
>>2622766Te ba ir mal gracias a los que apoyas, preguntale a los de iraq
Millions must buy the iphone
>>2622778>Americans are too comfortable to take any action. >As long as Americans live well, they will sit by and allow their fascists to destroy the world. Never take any American chauvinist's demands for 'healthcare, affordable housing etc' seriously. >The American enjoy the warmth of the beast's belly. Americans are our sworn ennemies. All of them. The newborn american is a future enabler of fascism. How do people outside America justify shit like this? Americans are cowards. All of them.
anarchists its the perfect time to stage a revolution. maduro set up all the framework now you can just steal it and claim it as your own.
>>2622780>>2622783Me importa un carajo, yo gané y ustedes perdieron, sigan llorando perras jajajaja a Maduro lo van a Epsteinezar, va a amanecer colgado del techo y yo voy a violarme su cadaver
Are there a lot of liberals in this thread or is it just me
>>2622766You are spiritually American ans you are a waste of oxygen. You gusanos deserve to die.
>>2622776Ok, we have the gusano perspective, how about the other side?
>>2622789Yeah sure sure, but who's in jail now though? JAJAJAJAJ
>>2622788The CIA is bored and is sending in posters to derail and demoralise.
Trust the plan. Bolivarians in control
>>2622788There are only liberal imperialists and conservative imperialists in America.
Anti-imperialists do not exist. Why should Yanks be anti-imperialists? They live great lives as a direct result of imperialism.
(Burgerphobia) Marco Rubio sees this as a domino effect and believed Venezuela was what was keeping Cuba afloat. Now Cuba is in the most danger it has been since the 90s
>>2622743
No, I (the power-zone guy) am Australian. Self-immolation as a political protest is a courageous act, but it won't change anything in this case. My guess is that most people on this board have at least another 25 years of life left. Imagine all the people in your local community who can be helped over 25 years. That is worth much more than a public suicide message that nowadays would be lucky to get a headline for 15 minutes.
>>2622766what is with the eggs. someone eggsplain it to a gringo
>>2622793The future of Venezuela is in jail. And hopefully, ICE busts your ass soon. Fucking empanada munching retard.
>>2622798It's slang for dick.
>>2622796We thought we were in the blackest age of reaction. Oh, it's only going to get worse.
Really makes us feel important that you glowies keep raiding this board.
Kupyansk counteroffensyiv status?
>>2622797>Self-immolation as a political protest is a courageous actDumb Christcuck. I fucking wish my enemies killed themselves.
>>2622787Veneco, estás viviendo en una chabola de mala muerte en Lima o en algún recoveco de una población de Antofagasta, eres y siempre serás escoria veneca. No lo olvides.
>>2622794Glad to know mods are the side of the imperialists. "HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST DOING ANYTHING TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD YOU FOOL, YOU SHOULD JUST SIT IN ABJECT SILENT COMPLACENCY LIKE THE REST OF US"
>>2622803It's courageous. Whether it's wise is another matter.
>"American empire is in the decline"
Yet they can do shit like this and the Russians and Chinese are just gonna swallow it
If this isn't the 21st Centuries May Crisis I don't know what is.
>>2622793ur relatives and family! maduros gonna be the new puppet of the us
>>2622807I don't listen to dumb idealist nonsense. Dying is the easiest fucking thing you will do in your life.
>>2622801I will be honest, the collapse of Cuba will be the most demoralizing thing that would happen to socialist since the collapse of the USSR. That will feel like an absolute defeat.
>>2622788Shills flood leftypol every time there's any kind of happening. The amount of shilling going on during the first year of /ukr/ and during the israeli bombing of gaza in I think 2021 was unreal compared to the normal slow traffic
>>2622808Russia did the same shit to Georgia in 08.08.08, and USA swallowed it. Your turn
>>2622797Greek Australian
trans woman here too.
Mate, it’s not worth it.
Self immolation for raising awareness is all well and good. But you’re no Aaron Bushnell, and I don’t want you to be.
Get on social media and organise internationally and spread boycotts on American products
You people don't understand that silence is more than passivity. It sends the message to the ruling class that there is no crime they can't get away with. Worse than that, it encourages others through inaction to also send the exact same message. By not doing anything when you see your imperialist government commit a horrible crime you, are in effect, acting as a stooge and a willing participant.
I'M FROM AUSTRALIA, AND I SAY BURN YOURSELF TO DEATH!
its over
>>2622820I didn’t hear no bell…
>>2622811It's certainly not as easy as sitting on your ass doing absolutely jackshit and telling others to sit on their ass and do jackshit. Burn in hell
>>2622814And Crimea too fellow agent. Time for those Russians to learn a thing or two
>>2622797Don’t do it. Push to boycott US goods and also [redacted] [redacted] to the Chinese.
>>2622822Stop fucking seething, Christcuck. Instead of harming yourself, harm someone else.
>>2622787Qué ganaste? Tremendo asno, si eres un gusano en EEUU, ICE te va a dar por culo, si estas en latam, un soldado te va a dar por culo. Ese es tu futuro, que te den por culo, por siempre.
>>2622826You say it's "easy" to die, but your only proposed alternative is something you clearly are not willing to do since you are posting on /leftypol/ and not dead or in prison. So who is taking the path of least resistance here? Certainly not me.
>>2622811It's not idealist nonsense. To paraphrase a certain radlib philosopher who had a good idea from time to time, the body has a self-preservation instinct from that of the mind. Only extreme suffering or clinical depression makes it easy to overcome the body's self-preservation instinct. IIRC, you're clinically depressed (no dig - I've been through it too), so that changes the calculus for you.
P.S. I'm the guy you've been replying to, not that jerk who replied to you first.
>>2622825PATRIOTS IN CONTROL LETS GO
>>2622831 (me)
>self-preservation instinct from that of the minddistinct from that of the mind*
>>2622594Makes me sick knowing imperialists will go so far as to destroy graves.
>>2622825This is going to be a long 24 hours. Trump bullshit alongside gusanos are going to be aids dealing with
>>2622825She asked for proof of life of Maduro and Cilia on a phone call on live TV
>>2622825Latina socialists are badass af.
>>2622825is she based or not?
FFS LADS DONT IMMOLATE YOURSELVES AND DONT GIVE INTO DESPAIR.
ARE YOU SO WEAK AND COWARDLY THAT YOU CANT ORGANISE A BOYCOTT LIST OF AMERICAN PRODUCTS?
>>2622831>>2622833Blah blah blah, it's Propaganda of the Deed, and that shit doesn't fucking work. If you want change, you need power. And you need to survive, crush those who oppose you, and impose your will.
>>2622836If someone doesn't kill that cunt I am going to become a misanthrope. Imagine selling your country out to plunderers and rapists just so you can have a little taste of power before they get bored of you and toss you aside. She has no soul.
>>2622825PROTECT DELCY AT ALL COSTS.
>Vice President Rodríguez confirms capture of Maduro and demands 'proof of life' from US government.
source: Venezuelan national TV
>>2622825Is she a Chavista, at least?
>>2622843What are they trying to signal?
If they got Maduro, they can get Delcy
>>2622839She is more based than Maduro funny enough
>>2622845Venezuelans must fight and not let their country be robbed from underneath them like this. If they are willing to fight then so am I. If they are not then I will still go up in flames and hope maybe it inspires them.
>>2622841It's a silly squabble given that I was telling the guy it's dumb to do it when you can be acting in your local community for 25+ years. But a dumb act can still be a courageous act if it requires overcoming a sufficient level of fear, and that's what suicide requires for most people.
>No American casualties during the operation. No comment on Venezuelan casualties.
source: USMinWar
>>2622852maybe they got the wrong guy
>>2622855Alright. I'm going to bed. See you in a few, when fog of war clears up.
>2622855
>No American casualties during the operation.
It's literally like an eighth grader bragging about beating the shit out of a fourth grader and not getting a single bruise or scratch. The US government is just a bunch of overgrown schoolyard bullies.
>says this
>minutes later, vice president confirms it
lol
>>2622852God it’d be so funny if they only got a body double and Trump has to explain a failed coup attempt.
If the bolivarian revolution really built a great system and not a scrounged up state held by duct tape and strong men it shouldn't matter if Maduro is in the picture or not.
>"communists" debating the legality of an election
holy fuck…
>>2622865aye yo where the war crimes at?
>Gen. McCaffy just praised Hugo Chavez
>>2622815>>2622824Huh?! No, I'm not the suicidal poster. I was telling him not to do it:
>>2622720 and then someone asked where I'm from, and I said Australia, and I said self-immolation, while courageous, is dumb when you can instead spend the rest of your life helping countless people in your local community.
Everything is so stupid and evil, and yet all the mongoloids are clapping
>>2622856>>2622862I meant to reply to that with
>>2622861 >>2622873It's so fucking over
So will life improve in Venezuela?
>>2622873>billions of workers dying and enslaved<i sleep>one (1) bourgeois dictator captured<THE BLACKEST REACTION!11111111Stalin fueled Nazi genocide and invasions btw :3
>>2622876The Vice President and Secretary of Defense have taken over for now so not much will change.
Will Trump win the mid terms now
Russian normies asking the right questions right now lmao
>>2622879Nobody wants another forever war.
>>2622876No. Best case scenario is a multi-year civil war that will still probably result in the US getting its puppet regime anyway.
>>2622880What's the questions and landscape right now over there
>>2622879he doesn't have to win anything
>>2622882Trump succeeded though, the republicans might actually win the mid terms
I am extremely angry, tears are coming to my eyes, tears of rage
It sounds silly to say this but the USA CANNOT just keep on getting away with this but I know it will
It's hopeless, there is no future
The USA is the master and we are all pathetic helots
>>2622888That's under the assumption that Trump did not unleash forces that leads to a civil war alongside bringing actual drug cartels that Maduro was repressing into the country
Insufferable Ziggas on social media rn be like
>noooo, you can't just storm the political center of gravity - everything has to be slow as fuck where it takes you four years to capture some podunk village, the same amount of time it took Stalin and Zhukov to win the Great Patriotic War and defeat Nazi Germany all the way to Berlin
Wouldn't have happened under Brezhnev
>>2622890>The USA is the masterLmao gotta quit crying those tears. This is the feeling people had for every small Latin American intervention
>>2622890bleeding heart for dictators award
>>2622893Great Man Theory skeptics just piling on loss after loss
>>2622888He succeeded in kidnapping the executive head and that's all he succeeded in. There is no clear plan in place to actually install a functional puppet regime, especially since Trump in all his genius just bombed military targets so an army coup is out of question. This is only the beginning of what will be a protracted and very bloody process that will probably result in failed state situation comparable to Libya.
>>2622862>body doubleI think what the tweet means to say is that by claiming you are captured when you are not, you are getting baited into revealing where you are.
>>2622895>muh authoritarianismDictator is just a buzz word for someone you don't like
>>2622852The self-immulation thing is done by raiders, posing.
Everybody knows that suicide only helps our opponents.
>America does an actual 3 day SMO in Venezeula and wins with barely any casualties
I don't want to hear any more apologists for Cucktin supporters. ADMIT THAT THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IS SHIT.
>>2622897Bruh, this is what people said about Syria, and then next thing you know, even Putin is shaking the replacement's hand.
>>2622890my uygha we are all going to die from climate change, if usa wins
>>2622852Also, please post the source. I don't believe screenshots from either side.
>>2622903Syria had over ten years of brutal civil war before the jihadists finally won, so I'm not sure what your point is? It's not a comparable scenario and you know it.
>>2622900Seeing this all unfold made my night entertaining. Maduro can choke on a bag of dicks and all the Venezuelan soldiers who died will have their graves pissed on.
so is maduro captured or not
>>2622902The Russian military is fine. It has all the capabilities it needs. It's the leadership that's been put to shame today.
Fuck america, death to the united states and all its lapdogs. What a fucking shitshow
>>2622902Russia is just embaressing
If he actually got captured this further comfirm only the faustian libtard can build systems strong enough to resist a hostile environement or do conquest. What is the point in shitty populist conservative third-way regimes when liveralized LGBTQ Ukraine or Israel do better with less despite being surrounded by ennemies?
>>2622910 (me)
The political leadership, I mean, not the military leadership.
>>2622895Bait. Maduro, for all his faults, isn’t a dictator
>>2622903Syria is a completely different situation. Assad was not in control of a lot of the country for a whole decade and multiple factions were all over the civil war. So Assad did not have complete control of Syria compared to Venezuela
>>2622909why would cheeto lie?
Luka said that the Russian GenStaff offered Putin an Oreshnik decap on Zelensky, but he refused.
Also the faustian libtard actually have it's ally's back unlike fucking Cucktin and Xi
>>2622916>isn’t a dictatorThat's right. He's currently at Guantánamo Bay I'd guess.
>>2622862>>2622856Remember, the "We have captured Maduro" is coming from the guys who brought you
>we have the epstein files>we're gonna release the epstein files>the epstein files aren't real they're a democrat hoax>ok we'll release the epstein files>there is nothing censored in the epstein files>we have the client list we'll release it>there is no client list>ok we released the unredacted epstein files>…>hey look bill clintontheir word is worth dirt. non-zero chance Maduro is in hiding so he doesn't get smacked with a Tomahawk missile. Unlike this board, the people in PSUV and the Bolivarian Army aren't total retards
>>2622914Yeah, same thing with Syria. Democracies are seriously resistant to collapse.
>>2622922gimme the source man
>>2622922post source or fake
>>2622914Ukraine got all of NATO on its border. Israel subdued Egypt and Jordan through the West intervention and essentially has a nuclear umbrella. Libya gave up the nukes and Venezuela never had any.
>>2622922>arrested by DEA How many lines of coke do you think Maduro can do?
>>2622922It's a phone photo of a tweet… clearly trying to hide AI shit
>>2622922what is the source
>>2622840>>2622797Why does this sound so pathetic?
>don't pay money to the country that prints money everyone else uses>be a social worker for freeIt's like if I said that the solution is clearly to become an open-source developer and contribute to the collapse of the american tech industry by building mobile apps and programs that get used by ten thousand people at most.
RUSSIAN FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTRY ISSUES CONDEMNATION"In the current situation, it is important, first and foremost, to prevent further escalation and to focus on finding a way out of the situation through dialogue. We proceed from the assumption that all partners who may have claims against each other should seek ways to resolve problems through dialogue. We are ready to support them in this," the Foreign Ministry said.
https://tass.ru/politika/26078331 >>2622922Bet you ten labour vouchers this shit is AI.
I very much doubt that Russian citizens will draw the proper conclusions from this.
>>2622913Vice-president spoke on the phone to venezuelan TV
>>2622937>We are ready to support them in thisPutin gonna bake a cake and send it to Maduro to try and break him out?
Venezuela should bomb mar a lago in retaliation
>>2622937should have stepped in earlier
>>2622947Do these guys know Assad fell?
Healthy skepticism is always good, but this event seems to have mindbroken people into absurd degrees of skepticism. I understand - it's just so hard to fathom after four years of Cucktinism.
>>2622937>DialogueYou can't make this up
Even if Maduro were captured, it doesn't excuse your sourceless, evidenceless and proofless posts.
Proof or didn't happen.
It's ogre bros, the gusanos won
>>2622701Diosdado is talking on camera on VTV right now
>>2622959What did China know if true?
>>2622947This is idiotic, why would US damage Venezuelan military bases then?
>>2622962>This is idioticSuriyak in a nutshell
>>2622954It's some of the worst copium I've ever seen and is actively going to confuse and disorient people. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people posting "Maduro is probably fine guys, it's all orange man lies!!!" are literal federal agents trying to spread disinfo. In the eyes of porky, the more confusion that can be injected into the ranks of people who might actually care about something like this, the better.
>>2622960>it's unclear whether the chinese delegation managed to leavecan't you read?
The Venezuelan Defense Minister stated that Venezuela "will not negotiate, will not surrender, and will ultimately win"
Look who's back from the dead.
>>2622961Has anyone reported something other than material damages?
>>2622971where did he say this? when?
>>2622974It should be a bannable offense to post a headline without a source, I swear to fucking god
>>2622903That's probably how regime change will look like for the foreseeable future. Just put in some dude that's nicer to western interests but not a complete cuck that will ignore the rest of the world. Who says the empire can't learn from it's failures? Probably not the way they would want it but better than getting wrapped up in a 20 year perpetual war.
>>2622954You're an idiot for having not more skepticism after everything.
>>2622961How long till they make a call duty level out of this.
>>2622974Didn't Delcy Rodriguez say this?
Is trump invading venezuela
>>2622978>>2622974>>2622973==THE WEBMD IS TOO BIG AND I'M TOO RETARDED. HOLD ON
>>2622982>kinecic actioncowardly ghouls
>>2622975>>2622978If you know Spanish, watch VTV or Telesur or whatever you can find rebroadcasting VTV
That's the source for all the Venezuelan government info right now.
>>2622922>>2622938>black hairThat what happens if you average over lots of old pictures.
>>2622977Literally why would the Trump admin claim to have Maduro if they didn't? It would just make them look like dumbasses and offer no strategic or tactical benefit. Skepticism should exist for a REASON. If you don't have a REASON for thinking they're lying, then you're just spreading disinfo and trying to confuse people.
>>2622967They lied about killing Iranian figures that turned out to be alive, though? Westerners are not new to brazen lies in order to scare people, terror is their most powerful weapon.
>>2622984>>2622987Thank you, sorry friends. I just don't like people posting random Twitter accounts and I assumed that was where the info was coming from.
>>2622982>likely fallsoh well if it likely falls within then it's fine
>Gets sources demanded
<Keeps spamming unverifiable screenshots
I really hate you guys…
>>2622989>Literally why would the Trump admin claim to have Maduro if they didn'tBlame Trump for several times this year being wrong on his posts and having to give new updates that he was wrong without saying he was wrong. He is unreliable so people are always going to be skeptical when it comes to him
>>2622995Putinists really losing their minds rn
>>2622991If Maduro was safe and sound he could so easily prove it within hours or even minutes that any momentary confusion of claiming otherwise would be completely useless.
>>2622990>>2622983Fanks bby
if the maduro capture is true, what are the chances he arranged it, the way iran arranged to let the burgers bomb their sites to end the war?
>>2622977There's a difference between healthy skepticism and desperate denial.
>>2622999It can also be a case of trying to lure Maduro out. We don't have the full scale of what's going on
well fellas its every burgers wet dream. american global hegemony and everyone united to dismantle it
>>2622996At least one civilian dead but no military people targeted and killed? Hmm
>>2622989Literally this 👉→
>>2622997you braindead shit for brains!
>>2622992Too many people on the thread posting and talking shit.
The truth if that we'll have to wait and see who is going to take command of the government now that Maduro is gone and what's the next move of the gringos
>>2622994>all of those and non of them stopped al presidenta from being kidnapped like a little girlbruh
How will this affect the stock market and my portfolio
At least here in Barcelona/Lechería Anz things are quiet.
Don't know if I have to go to work yet lol
maduro is in jail rn. cope.
>>2623002Pay attention, raider. I demanded sources from both sides. Both sides are guilty of this right now.
>>2623013So show me a body
>>2623012I would be skeptical about this. I haven't seen any videos of the Congress yet
>>2623011Any idea on how locals are reacting to this?
>>2623006They did this with people like Nasrallah.
>>2622998<Calling Putin "Cucktin" for years>Gets called a "Putinist."Get out of here, tourist. You'll get more enjoyable reactions from Twitter or Russian Telegram, I assure you.
>>2623016I don't really see why Petro would be amplifying the extent of the attacks on Venezuela tho.
On a side note why is this president on a groupchat called "Valorant team"
The vice-president just demanded a proof of life of Maduro. They don't know where he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nN3vtMzxTo>>2622984Why not declare war though?
>>2623018I live in the most opposition ridden areas of the whole country so yeah, they are quiet happy about it.
Don't know about the status at Ccs
>>2623025>I live in the most opposition ridden areas of the whole country so yeah, they are quiet happy about it.Traitors! They better be in the minority.
>>2623023If we declare a formal war the US Congress will respond in kind and thus give Trump the A-OK to do whatever he wants. We aren't taking the bait man
>>2623025Your country gets struck by another country while there are potential civilian causalities and they are happy? What a unironic cucked nation.
Same reason we didn't arrest guaido when he was still here
>>2623024Yeah I realized, wtf kind of GC is the president of colombia in?
Or is he just reposting random shit?
WE EATIN NEW BREAD
>>2623031>>2623014You're not the redflag from /ukr/. You've been larping as him and don't even write like him. Your style and emoticons have more in common with King Lear, someone known to be hostile to the real redflag. And your so-called balanced skepticism is some token source request for the most absurd Qanon-tier cope:
>>2622906 >>2623028US and neoliberal supporters are just pure evil cucks.
>>2623021It's not a matter of Petro exaggerating the magnitude of the attack, he probably is shocked and not checking what actually is happening. Still I ain't gonna deny it, it just that if the Congress had been hit videos of it would be everywhere
>>2622680>Arrested MaduroFor what? He hasn't committed any crimes and isn't under the jurisdiction of the United States regardless.
Assuming they actually did this, what would they even do with Maduro? Put him on trial? Once again, for what crimes? Is Trump aware that you can't arrest people for no liking you? I cannot fathom why they would arrest Maduro instead of just assassinating him.
Stop doomposting. It ain't over til it's over.
The chavistas have a lot of armed militias. Here is how the war can go down:
1. The USA is now using its air power, against this the militias can do nothing.
2. At some point, the USA needs boots on the ground. These are either us soldiers or local forces. Without this, no regime can be established.
3. The militias will enact urban and jungle guerilla attacks on these forces, making establishing total control impossible. They will have plenty of operating room out of the interior.
4. The USA might be able to establish a rumo regime on the coast, that is where the oil is. This is their primary goal.
Scenario A. Long term rump regime.
The guerrillas can enact guerilla attacks on oil infrastructure using smuggled weapons. This will do the following
>Tie up the USA navy in patrolling the Caribbean.
>China will have to step up and set up smuggled supplies of suicide drones and other material
>If this drags on, the USA will not benefit at all from the oil, won't have gotten an advantage, and have its military spread thin, allowing for more manouvering in the middle east and far east by local powers. This will not be a major economic cost to china either. Then becomes a war of attrition between the following:
>The capacity of chavismo local forces to continue a costly war for independence
>The capacity for local opposition to keep dying for a foreign power (low)
>The ability of the us to keep justifying the death of more and more us soldiers to its own political elite and population
>The willingness of the Chinese to have some balls and expand political influence to keep the smuggle routes open
>The ability of the trump regime to work with Latin American cartels to crack down on Chinese supply lines and assets in the surrounding area
Scenario B, chavismo is a farce
The chavismos crumple immediately and the USA is able to quickly establish a friendly fascist regime with the primary goal of securing the oil.
An unlikely scenario given their recent track record in both Venezuela itself and countries like Bolivia. It is unlikely that the people of Venezuela, who have shown so much resilience, will be as defeatist as the westerners in this thread who immediately put a gun in their mouth at the first enemy announcement of a (minor) victory (could very well be a deception to demoralised local maduro forces).
Scenario C, America the paper tiger
This is all shock and awe, and the us is actually incapable of following through. They will decapitate a few key leaders, not follow through, local forces are easily driven back by chavismo forces, chavismo control reestablished. This will then embolden the Venezuelan people, give them a common enemy, and a casus belly to eliminate the opposition.
The next few days will tell us which of these will happen.
>>2623038stop raping africa
>>2622960They have insider information about the attack. I guess they were trying to warn Maduro.
>>2623045Oh yeah, and the us army isn't well prepared for jungle warfare. Most of their material is made for desert and plains warfare in the middle east and the Ukrainian steppes.
>>2623045USA would be insane to launch ground invasion.
>>2623045bro the burgers are a bit smarter than u think. theyre just gnna regime change and forget
>>2623038Venezuela and China are allies you absolute retard. Stop D&C.
>>2623045>At some point, the USA needs boots on the ground.No they don't
>China will have to step up and set up smuggled supplies of suicide drones and other materialWhy would they do this?
This thread is in auto-sage now, post in the new one pls:
>>2623031>>2623038the only serious capitalist force*
>>2623063See
>>2622764And also i litterally told you in the post. What china fears most is the US Navy on its shore. That is primarily why they tacetly support the war in Ukraine, it ties up the USA. Tying up part of the us navy on the other end of the world at the cost of consumer drones and small rockets is a geopolitical no-brainer. The question is if the Chinese have the assets and political will to continue their proxy war support they took their first steps in recently in Iran.
>>2623060Like in Bolivia?
Why didn't Maduro just shoot the US pigs trying to capture him instead of getting taken? Is he stupid?
>>2623084Hes a bus driver. Its not like he had any chance against USA special forces.
>>2623084Life isn't being the protagonist in a video game.
>>2623093>>2623090Why didn't he, as the United States forces were storming his presidential palace, press a giant red button that would open a trap door to send the US pigs into a moat filled with alligators and piranhas. Is Maduro retarded?
>>2623063They do if they want the oil, my little retard
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