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>>2600930Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchetfLoOd DeTeCtEd PoSt DiScArDeD unlimited dickrider genocide
>>2602084pls bro
just one more party bro
i promise it will be a non dickrider party this time
I get that Trump being retardedly transparent about his objectives makes things easier for us but I'm so tired of people being like
>at least he tells it like it is!
Fuck no he's just stupid! That's all it is. He is unable to massage his rhetoric or stage any kind of pretense because he's always been a dumbass and now he's going senile.
We should take advantage of that stupidity for sure but please stop praising it.
Kamala lost.
>>2602088thought it was shopped…
https://jesuitroundup.org/2025/03/china-in-2025-do-nothing-win/Lol it's from a catholic website too
>>2602091Wrong. Kamala is leninist. kamala mixed legal and illegal substances in her body when compaigning.
3 hours till some Trump address. Tucker claimed he’ll declare war during it.
Realistically, what would the domestic ramifications of a a war with Venezuela be?
We have a worsening cost of living crisis, unemployment is steadily rising, ICE going on a rampage, a government openly vying to censor or arrest anyone even the slightest bit critical of America, Trump, capitalism, or Israel.
Would a war that would devolve into Iraq/Afghanistan 2.0 be the spark that lights the powderkeg?
How Capitalism Replaced America<A reflection on contemporary China and the U.S. after their 20th century revolutionshttps://mazmhussain.substack.com/p/how-capitalism-replaced-americaRecently, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole studying contemporary China, its industrial modernization, and the Mandarin language. As part of that, I recently read a popular new book on the Middle Kingdom, Breakneck: China’s Quest to Engineer the Future by Dan Wang. The book is a breezy personal reflection, and advances a now-familiar thesis: American elites are disproportionately trained as lawyers, Chinese elites are mostly engineers, and that background shapes the way that they respond to collective problems.
The subtext of Wang’s argument is that state-communist China has grown into a ruthlessly capitalist society; arguably more capitalist in practice than the United States. Wang writes:
“Capitalist America intrudes upon the free market with a dense program of regulation and taxation while providing substantial (albeit imperfect) redistributive policies. Socialist China detains union organizers, levies light taxes, and provides a threadbare social safety net. The greatest trick that the Communist Party ever pulled off is masquerading as leftist.”
This is all true. But there is another dimension of the U.S.–China divergence that his argument only partially captures, one that matters for understanding American anxieties over national identity, inequality, immigration, and other issues shaping the present.
Wang describes how Deng Xiaoping, seeking to escape the failures of the Maoist command economy, created “sandboxed” free-market zones within China. These zones multiplied in a careful process aimed at growing the economy, while maintaining ultimate Communist Party political control. The experiment worked: Within two generations, nearly every Chinese person had become a producer and consumer within a vast market economy. In daily life, ordinary Chinese increasingly have come to resemble ordinary Americans: working, saving, and consuming.
The crucial difference is that while China utilized capitalism as a tool, it never redefined its national identity around the supremacy of capital. The Communist Party remains the unchallenged sovereign. However wealthy or powerful a Chinese enterprise becomes, there is no conceptual universe in which it might negotiate as equals with, let alone defy, the Party. No Chinese banker could dream of strolling into the Zhongnanhai to lecture Xi Jinping, as American financiers feel free to lecture or even snub American presidents.
China has repeatedly shown its willingness to subordinate capital to political authority. Between 2020 and 2021 it erased $1.1 trillion in tech-sector valuation through regulatory crackdowns, halted Jack Ma’s record-breaking Ant IPO after he criticized regulators, and made plain Xi Jinping’s own repeated guidance that capital must serve the interests of the people and the Party.
America took the opposite path. As political scientist Samuel Huntington observed years ago, “America’s elites increasingly define national identity in purely economic and ideological terms, not cultural ones.” The turning point came during the Cold War when capitalism stopped being merely an economic system and became a core part of American identity; marginalizing competing visions of ethnic, religious, and culturally-based national selfhood.
During the Cold War, American elites framed capitalism as the moral antithesis to communism. Supporting free markets became synonymous with supporting the nation. An influential 1971 memo by Supreme Court justice Lewis F. Powell Jr. demanded the construction of a permanent political infrastructure to “shape social, economic, and political thought,” in support of capitalism. By the 1980s, Ronald Reagan was ready to push the envelope further, declaring: “Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuing revolution of the marketplace.”
This process that began in the 1970s accelerated in the triumphant atmosphere following the collapse of the Soviet Union, before crystalizing its final form after the 2008 financial bailouts. Despite failed right and left-wing insurrections since then, it has continued unabated.
The global capitalist revolution in America, never formally declared, has already been successful. Over decades, vast swathes of the economy were sold off to international investors. Immigration levels were reshaped by corporate demand rather than cultural self-conception. Even stewardship of land and future generations became subordinated to the interests of global markets. At mid-twentieth century, foreign investors held only around 5 percent of U.S. corporate equity. That figure is 40 percent today, alongside massive and expanding international ownership of U.S. real estate, and even agriculture.
The project succeeded so thoroughly that raising even modest doubts about capitalism has come to be seen as suspiciously un-American; more offensive than criticizing Christianity or the ethnic makeup of the founding generation. Following the guidance of their leaders, for many people patriotism is defined by participation in the free market as consumers and entrepreneurs. (George W. Bush famously told people to go shopping to express their patriotism after 9/11.)
This low barrier to entry has made the country more welcoming to assimilation for outsiders, which remains one of its most charming characteristics. But it has also raised vexing questions about national identity that persist to this day.
The transformation of America by capital has made it a more dynamic, tolerant, and creative society. These are things that many people, including myself, find welcome. Yet inarguably, it also repressed and even destroyed an older American nation in favor of a new cosmopolitan empire that is still in process of becoming.
Optimized for Wealth
The supremacy of capital was on display again recently in a particular episode: the proposed takeover of Warner Bros Discovery by Paramount Skydance. The takeover is backed by a consortium of Saudi, Emirati, and Qatari sovereign wealth funds, Jared Kushner’s investment firm, and the Ellison family— the latter being figures with deep personal, political, and economic ties to the state of Israel. If completed, the deal would finalize control over vast pillars of American mass culture—HBO, CNN, Paramount Pictures, CBS, DC Films, Nickelodeon, and now TikTok—within a network of capital holders largely foreign to the United States, or with shared sympathies to other states.
According to the logic of modern American capitalism, nothing is wrong with this. But if the deal goes through it would reduce even further national control over institutions central to American culture and governance. The American media would be penetrated to an unprecedented extent by foreign interests, in this case Gulf Arab and Israeli. It is impossible to imagine China permitting anything remotely comparable with their own media, which closely shepherds not just the interests of the Party or Chinese citizens, but even the cultural and political centrality of the domestic Han majority.
This oligarchic media consolidation by foreign investors is a step further in a decades-long transformation. The idea that the US should be run mainly for the sake of its citizens—let alone, as some demand, in reference to its original European, Native American, and Black lineages—has been displaced by the idea that the country is a platform for global capitalism. It helps explains why elites like Kushner admire the glittering, frictionless, deracinated consumerism of the UAE and other Gulf Arab states. Dubai represents a post-national, antidemocratic future, optimized only for wealth, that many people find desirable for the US itself.
Citizenship as Bond
Understanding the America that global capitalism has built is also key to understanding the populist anger that now defines much of our politics. Trump’s 2016 campaign suggested that he would confront global capital’s control over the country, including by providing healthcare to ordinary Americans in defiance of market preferences, limiting immigration, and ending foreign entanglement in overseas conflicts. He renewed those promises in 2024, less convincingly, but with enough vigor to defeat an exhausted Democratic Party that lacked a counterargument.
In practice, his alliances with Gulf Arab and Israeli elites reveal where Trump’s loyalties truly lie. Many Americans whose concerns have been ignored for decades see this plainly. A 2023 PRRI survey found that 65% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats believe “the country is being run for the benefit of outsiders.” Regardless of how they feel about their government and domestic elites, can any comparable number of people in China believe that their country is being administered for the benefit of foreign powers?
I’m not endorsing state socialism, communism, ethnic nationalism, or any other radical transformation of American society. Too many revolutionary movements end in catastrophe, several of these ideologies have been tried and failed in past, and America itself is too far down its current road to abruptly switch towards something totally different. There are also many aspects of the current version of America that I cherish, including its entrepreneurial culture and cosmopolitanism.
That said, there is a real tradeoff here, and absent a dramatic course correction, global capitalism will continue to carve away pieces of America in the years ahead. Ideally, a functioning democracy can still mitigate this drift—above all by restraining the power of the domestic and foreign oligarchs who treat the United States not as a nation or community in formation, but as a mere platform for their own economic and political ambitions.
This brings us back to China. Despite its material strengths, there are also many appalling aspects of the Chinese political system, which may yet lose in its competition with the American empire. The irony, though, is that many angry Middle American voters who have been taught that capitalism is their identity may feel less existentially dislocated under a system like that run by Beijing, where the ruling party makes no apology for prioritizing its own citizens, strictly polices the activities of foreign capital, and shapes the economy for the benefit of the nation, rather than the reverse.
China, for all its failings, will almost certainly maintain a thread of cultural continuity stretching into the future. America, by contrast, is becoming a landscape shaped less by citizens than by capital, with the people themselves and their interests receding into the background.
The way to fight back is not to retreat into ethnic nationalism, which is neither desirable nor viable for modern Americans, but with a renewed understanding of citizenship, including potentially exclusive and singular citizenship, as a real bond. That is one of the few remaining grounds on which Americans might still resist being overshadowed by amorphous global interests, interested in extracting from them, but indifferent to their fate.
is this americas danzig?
>>2602102Not gonna happen. He got Milei and Kast to win in Argentina and Chile to get us to fight the war. As per usual the third worlder will die for the right of americans to have their treats.
>>2602103Whenever I post a similar sentiment people ITT call me a vote minded liberal.
>>2602118step 1 mix legal and illegal tactics
step 2 i dont' believe you if you say you did it unless you provide me the details
step 3 i call you a liberal
step 4 ????
step 5 i become the next lenin
>>2602123>there's a real chance this country has reached a point of never-returnNo such thing.
>>2602123Chinas geopolitical goal is to create a reasonable and far superior alternative to America for economic, military and political aid. It had succeeded in that mission in Africa. Instead of using imperialist measures to have a monopoly on resources, it invests in state of the art infrastructure in exchange contracts for certain strategic resources.
>>2602123Anon. Your country had the choice to vote for the far right of a literal communist party and 41% voted communist. There is hope.
>>2602102I think it’d be met with a surge of fervor on the right that they’ll get to embrace a nihilistic death drive up until they see coffins coming home. Maybe some markets go green as the war economy spins into gear. It’ll likely be met with widespread domestic protests at which point maybe a rightist does something stupid and violent once Trump calls the protesters Venezuelan terrorists. I think it’ll accelerate Trump’s collapsing polls to just a sliver of his most loyal followers around 30% or so. Trump will try to use protests as proof we need to cancel elections, at which point some ambitious democrat governors will try to score points by saying “we’re going to hold elections regardless of Trump’s actions”. There’ll likely be a flashpoint with states like Texas and Florida trying to cancel domestic elections and California and New York hosting them, Trump will try to declare by twitter that any New Democrats elected from those elections are illegitimate and should be arrested. Maybe the military steps in after to bring about order.
I’m not saying it’s guaranteed, just think it’s plausible.
>>2602125
British Nazis call him "Tommy Robinstein".
>>2602131The problems is that said party is not up to the task of what is to be done, is a dickrider occupied party just like CPUSA. But yes, there is some hope…
I want more from China. They've stated China is on Venezuela but they need to commit. Everyone knows war is going to be declared any moment now. I don't know what Xi is doing, presumably having extremely serious talks with his foreign ministers and military commanders.
>>2602139They wont do shit
>>2602141Venezuela is Chinas fourth biggest supplier of oil. Of course they will.
>>2602088>>2602092Despite the tone of the title, this article is dogshit:
>. This makes China the most influential nation in the agreement, and the world’s “leader” in the fight against climate change, even though China is the largest polluter in the world. China is producing everything for everyone, including renewables. If people produced it it their own countries, their carbon emissions would rise instead. This is the stupidest rhetorical point people make. Also the article defends USAID, trying to make it sound bening, and fear mongers about China "debt trap". It's clear where its sympathies lie. it is lamenting the "based retard" aspects of Trump. Massively disappointing read.
>invading a mountainous jungle infested country with 15,000 Marines against 130,000 regular troops
>>2602149If they get Chile and Argentina on board then shit gets doable, unless other countries decide to act. Imagine Brazil wags its fat cock on the rest of latam backed up by China.
You know what the end goal of this is right? Colonised Venezuela, Ecuador, Columbia, Northern Mexico and Cuba.
>>2602149Who's to say they wont just drop some nukes? It's not like they'd face any consequences from the rest of the world
>>2602155Yeah like they did in vietnam
>>2602158If America cant have the oil, then nobody can have it
>>2602159Maduro offered all the oil but trump refused remember
>>2602159>america shooting itselfChina wins, again, by doing nothing.
>>2602162Right so they clearly dont care about actually getting the oil, they just want to destroy Venezuela
>>2602156Back then there was a real and serious threat of retaliation, realistically who's going to nuke America back if it drops a few megatons on Venezuela? At most they'll be made an international pariah but that's literally what MAGA wants anyways
If anything this will be a low intensity conflict to open up the legal powers lended to Trump during wartime. The biggest benefit would be canceling midterms and the next election if it lasts that long
>>2602153I'm hoping that if the US does invade that it results in Brazil finally growing a pair and trying to assert itself as an independent power in the region. Is Lula capable of this or am I dreaming? Brazilanons please advise.
>>2602170In most "Will X grow a pair?" situations the answer is generally "no"
>>2602170>Is Lula capable of this or am I dreaming? He is a "social democrat", do I really need to say anything else?
>>2602165>they just want to destroy Venezuelathey want regime change most of all
>drops a few megatons on Venezuelathis is such a stupid argument. it's close enough to america to get nuclear radiation. If it didn't happen in the 70s it's not happening now, nukes are literal nothingburgers
>>2602171China should close the Panama canal 😏
>>2602176Regime change and nuking things aren't mutually exclusive, and our government is fundamentally irrational and controlled by people who probably think God will protect America from nuclear radiation or that fallout is communist propaganda. Expect the stupid. We are no longer led by rational actors, the clowns have taken over the circus.
>>2602170lol no. If anything he will negotiate with the Americans to see what kind of good deal he can get out of American intervention. You have to look at Brazil with respect to LATAM the same way Turkey is to MENA.
>>2602178didn't trump throw a hissy fit over chinese trade dominance in the panama canal
>>2602132>up until they see coffins coming homeThey're not going to care. The average right winger who'd support the war is gone, mentally. They're absolutely bloodthirsty and seeing coffins will enrage them and fuel their fervor.
>>2602165>At most they'll be made an international pariah but that's literally what MAGA wants anywaysAt this rate that's the most likely fate of America in the next 10-15 years once it loses it grip on the world; with or without nukes being dropped.
Give it 30ish years and the US will talked about the same way people talk about the DPRK right now.
>>2602180Uhhhh!!! Glory to posadism!!!!!!
>>2602185>Give it 30ish years and the US will talked about the same way people talk about the DPRK right now.Inshallah
glad che isn't here to see this shit
>>2602170Nope, brazil is a dysfunctional subimperialist power and lula is more than happy into being in the comprador and in a social fascist position, and i say that as a brazillian
>>2602193what's not to understand?
America has decided asia is no longer their business so the whole American continent is their personal playground.
>>2602197
his reverse empire whining reminds me of statements made by 19th century british imperialists. They called the empire an open wallet which was thieved by foreigners.
>>2602203The entirety of the Americas and Greenland (and maybe iceland)
>>2602193Does he think that the previous eras of American imperialism were some kind of "white man's burden" type shit? In which case are they just saying now they're going to openly destroy and pillage whatever they please and that's a good thing?
>>2602197>>2602204America's mentality is similar to the cope of the Roman Republic/Empire where they always claimed 'they were forced into having an empire' and only fought defensive wars
>>2602206yes that's clearly what he's saying. which is not an uncommon view among retarded rightoids
>>2602132>Trump will try to declare by twitter that any New Democrats elected from those elections are illegitimate and should be arrested. Maybe the military steps in after to bring about order.Will they actually go this far for a man in his 80s? What is supposed to happen after he finally dies from too much McDonalds? Pretty sure the whole point of his administration to prepare the state for the next republican strongman who will take power in 2032 after Newsom fails to fix anything.
Well well well, how the turn tables…
>>2602209They're gonna prop up his literal corpse for as long as possible, and when they cant they'll just make a "Trump AI" that'll continue policies in his stead
>>2602185Fundamentally I think right wingers have school bully psychology so while they want to kill, the prospect of dying terrifies them. And once people respond with “well why don’t you volunteer then?” They’ll shut up quick.
It is safe to say the constitution, despite Americas cultural obsession with that piece of paper, has no sway over how this country operates. Nothing about this administration is constitutional.
>>2602213>Nothing about this administration is constitutional.And that's a good thing
>>2602209I mean Trump is making a ballroom he might not live to see, plus he admires dictators and asked his generals why they can’t be like Hitler’s. I think he psychologically wants to be America’s first dictator.
free felix
>>2602220
whats a joo
NUCLEAR FUCKIN WAR
>>2602213It’s become more a symbol than a legal framework.
There was this vid going around where some liberal was going around interviewing MAGA types and one of them asked if he read the constitution, he said he did.
>”You read the entire thing?”<“Yes, it was pretty short.”>”I doubt it, but okay.”For the record the constitution is a little over 4,000 words IIRC. It fits in your pocket.
>>2602211As interesting the idea of a fake AI Trump dictatorship is, if it happened it wouldn't take long before the state would axe it once a real person decides to take direct control anyway making such a farce pointless beyond AI Trump giving legitimacy to the next man.
>>2602218For sure he wants it. But his uncertain health and old age means all the officials needed to go along with it will reconsider throwing their lot in with a sinking ship.
>>2602230They probably wouldn't give the AI Trump thingy DIRECT power, the real decisions would all be filtered through people like Vance and Miller who would act as glorified haruspices who interpret the AI's insane ramblings and discard anything contradictory to their vision. The Trump AI will just be trotted out for the sake of publicity
this thread told me anti-imperialism wasnt real leftism anyways, why are you guys pretending to care about Venezuela now?
>>2602234i'm always taken back by watching rightoid and chinlet youtube channels they're constantly trying to flog you shit
>>2602248BUY SPECIAL MAGA-APPROVED MED SERVICES TAKE YOUR MEDS
>>2602193Posted from a military base behind machine guns, tanks and razorwire. Curious.
>>2602233It's pointless once they already have the dictatorship going. Eventually people like Vance, Miller, Thiel, The CIA Head, The Military General or whoever will come to a head over some policy or another and eventually one faction will seize control. It's also impossible to keep such an unstable situation going before they all try to kill each other out of fear everyone else might try to kill them first. First Citizen Augustus happened in Rome for a reason.
>>2602230>For sure he wants it. But his uncertain health and old age means all the officials needed to go along with it will reconsider throwing their lot in with a sinking ship.Yknow a terrifying thought I had is that a lot of people in Trump’s orbit just want a dictator. Not necessarily for “ideological” reasons, I think they’re fascinated by the idea, fetishize it even. Back during the George Floyd protests you had Stephen Miller trying to convince Trump to just open fire on protesters despite that being a monumentally stupid idea.
I think they’re fascinated by the power of a dictator. Peter Thiel is constantly giving lectures on Carl Schmidt after all. I think it’s not long term, it’s perversion. The only way Stephen Miller can get it up is if he sees all these protesters get gunned down by men in riot gear, it’s pure Salo shit.
And there’s no guarantee they’re in the next admin, so imagine if they make Trump a dictator now? Miller will get to order entire neighborhoods doused in Napalm and jerk his pecker to it.
>>2602255i do think a lot of rich right wing men fantasize about a day when they will no longer have to suffer disagreement from anyone and identify a dictatorship with that day. they carry disagreements like injuries on their egos, it's kind of a primal emotional thing, they feel henpecked and rendered impotent.
>>2602261Yeah, like Thiel keeps obsessing about Greta and calling her the antichrist. I think they want just some kind of fascist cultural Revolution.
>>2602263
It's over.
>>2602270
>nonsensical drivel
كسم امريكا
one hour until the dialectics shift gears
>>2602255Carl Schmitt just pointed out the fatal weaknesses in liberal government in very clear terms. The rules don't matter when someone has the power to break them. And the people with that power can control everyone else. All states eventually come to a single head, like water flowing to the ocean. A hierarchical form of gravity.
Stephen Miller might want Trump in particular to be the dictator so he can ride his coattails but will the rest of the bourgeois? What's going on right now is Trump is making appeals and enough key people don't want to go along with it yet. However, if it's not Trump eventually someone will seize control sooner or later.
>>2602270
>text from 4klan
>diversity mutts
>they still want to genocide white men
go back to pol
>>2602278>Carl Schmitt just pointed out the fatal weaknesses in liberal government in very clear terms. The rules don't matter when someone has the power to break them. And the people with that power can control everyone else. All states eventually come to a single head, like water flowing to the ocean. A hierarchical form of gravity. isn't that a problem with all forms of government
>>2602281
Listen, it's not my problem that you jack off to blacked porn. But please leave it out, this is a serious event.
>>2601846Please provide evidence of this. They dont seem to be doing anything. All of their accounts seem dead
https://x.com/LACPUSA >>2602281
I wasn't disagreeing with the general idea that they want white men to participate in the latest war, I was disagreeing with the 4klan ass conclusion that "white genocide" is some kind of ulterior motive of the US government here.
Remember if the invasion messes up and they call up a draft, you're a Quaker. You fucking love going to Quaker meetings.
>>2602289if they do a draft, the burger reich is truly over. the only reason the army is so loyal is because it's all volunteers
>>2602297the reason the army is so loyal is because america is a literal militarist state
the last dying desperate punches of the burgerreich
>>2602278To be honest I don’t think Trump conceives of class society beyond a gut feeling. I think he’s got a deeply idealistic worldview on par with Tsar Nicholas. So while the Bourgeoisie may not actively want it I don’t think we should discount Trump’s ability to act independently. They didn’t want tariffs either, after all, and Trump went full speed ahead.
It possible the bourgeoisie is more divided than we may think.
make the announcement already I need to go to sleep
>>2602318Anon you might be staying up for Trump to announce Trumpcoin 2.0
>>2602322
I will do nothing and be happy
>>2602322
Paco's gonna have a real fun time with her when the war pops off. And ya know what. Good for him.
>>2602283Only liberals think it's a problem. They want a way to keep the bourgeoisie happy as a whole and think separated powers and weak government will do it. On the other hand Marxists point out it's the class who controls the state that really matters not what specific individual sits at the top.
>>2602339
>"This is about oil and regime change for the benefit of Israel"
and the USA too, but if he's gotta put it that way because otherwise MAGApatriot69 won't listen to him, then so be it.
We gonna have the Cytube up tonight?
>>2602270
>>2602270
silliest thing, /pol/. US grunts are heavily overrepresented by minority groups, such as blacks and latinos (specially with African Americans). overrepresented compared to their census weight on general population, that is. the only branch of the military where whites have overrepresentation compared to the population ratios is the military aviation, of course.
you'd know that if you could touch grass.
>>2602314It all depends if there’s any mega porkies or generals are willing to make a power grab. Sitting around waiting for elections while the pedophile game show host starts a war in the American continents and the economy is in free fall. I don’t think the Trump regime is as secure in its position but anyone with the resources and power to challenge him are just hanging on the sidelines.
>>2602289If I were to actually go that route I would be worried about falling asleep during the meetings since they just stare at eachother
And to think, all of this for the Epstein files (and a little profit from murderous oil execs)
>>2602312There is ond reason: green card
>>2602359
totally bizarre timeline
War with vulveluza incoming!
I think tucker was misinformed trump is just gonna talk about the economy
>>2602270
>a bunch of brown people are dying (or will soon die) because of a senile white boomer
>ugh… but what about the WHITE MEN?
>>2602377Cool I'll just apply for 100 jobs and when I inevitably get passed over for all of them I'll claim discrimination and earn lodesemone.
Rare to see Trump being roped into doing damage control but 100% he goes off script.
>>2602373
Trump:
>they’re calling me the greatest goy, the greatest!
There is no one who is neutral or against Trump who will ever be convinced about what he has to say.
He is so far gone he's completely incoherent, I imagine most people just tune out at this point and don't watch any of his speeches. Only the most diehard lovers and haters still bother tuning in.
PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 3000 YEARS!!
(except that part where zionists continue to slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocents)
lol fact checkers are gonna have their work cut out with this one
>>2602397They can just spam the loud incorrect buzzer all the way through
>>2602397At this point I wonder why they bother.
He lied thousands of times in his first term and it didn't mean shit.
>>2602370Me thinks tucker is part of the same psyop group, too. the US hasn't amassed
marines to invade a country 5 times the size or Iraq, 3 times the population, and with a more functional army all enclosed behind a large mountain range. trump is all for stealing the sanctioning ships, though.
every soldier is getting a trump warrior check for $1776 lmao
>>2602403I think Trump will just bomb the shit out of everything like in his first term, he's not a fan of land invasions.
This shit ain't convincing anybody. The peoples ideas of 'affordability' of falling prices at the supermarket and that's it
>>2602102Nothing. The Iraq war was based on lies and everyone knew it and even the "far left" in America not only did nothing about it but turned around and supported the primary parties responsible for it.
>>2602407maybe. who knows. I think the main objective of all the military campaign is to scare off investment on Venezuela.
>>2602405That's a little under a month's pay for a brand new enlistee.
A lot of them live paycheck to paycheck so it's not nothing but it's not a ton.
>>2602407Hasn't he effectively staffed the military with a bunch of movie-brained LARPers who want to resurrect Napoleonic tactics because they think it'll look cool? I wouldn't write off a ground invasion.
>>2602417No he's staffed the military with all the worst war criminals from Iraq who want to torture and murder again. Pete Hesgeth was literally a commander at Gitmo and then volunteered for a combat deployment with a unit so criminal even the US Army found them guilty of war crimes.
Total yapfest
holly shit, how many weird numbers can pull the orange man in a single speech.
>drug prices down 600%.
>600% housing price because of 300% more immigrants.
>biden caused a bazillion% of inflation.
>>2602443What if all of this was a scheme to bait for ratings?
War with venezuela is still inevitable it just won't be announced on TV, instead they'll launch a surprise attack underneath a lot of deception like they did with Iran
>>2602448It's actually crazy the margin is that tight though considering how unlikable Vance is.
>>2602449not really, polls show consistently that people dislike trump but they hate democrats even more
>>2602446maybe this was just a ruse to see what the reaction would be. tucker was given that nugget of info to put out there
>>2602448Gen X never getting a president.
>>2602449AOC has spent years bleeding left wing support, I honestly don't like her myself
>>2602450The valid reasons they have to hate Democrats by and large don't apply to AOC though.
I think the libtard feminists are right the average American voter is sexist.
>>2602449>>2602448eh, for a national poll it's actually insane. usually of a specific state or electoral district wouldn't be as popular as a federal elected figure. or I'd think that.
>>2602458AOC is actually a stupid person. only a dumb dumb would get played by the same centrists that trump runs circles around the way she has, and so many times at that. her political instincts are dogshit, she doesn't even know what socialism is. She is a worthless person to bet on or depend on for the kind of movement we hope to see
>>2602448Burgerstanis be like
>Finally my 101% Hitler beat your 102% Hitler the Volksgemeinschaft is saved! holly shiet, pollymarket had 91% chances of trump mentioning Venezuela
LOOOOL I can image inside trading winning a lot of money, and so many people losing thousands, lmao.
>>2602448>only 51%The country has tapped out of this shit
>>2602102imho the craziest scenario possible would be Venezuela getting somesort of Battle of Tsushima level victory through a combination of incompetence and neoliberal rot in the US and the opposite in Venezuela.
ORANGEUYGHUR!
this is such a horrible article to read
https://www.panaccindex.info/p/the-outbreaks-are-the-pointit kinda makes me wanna kms
>>2602503I'm ready for this guy to just die off already
>>2602464AOCIA isn't stupid she's highly educated at elite universities. She knows exactly what she's doing.
>>2602503Drumpf is really finished this time. I'd like to see him wriggle his way outta this
>>2602541Ages ago I had a project I cancelled that was gonna be a substack parody of Rod Dreher but increasingly the idea of doing something for an establishment Dem dead-ender seems fun.
Unfortunately I got nothing beyond a guy who’s so clueless he legitimately thinks Biden 2028 is viable. Dunno what else to add—maybe some of the most obvious Hasbara where he claims Hamas put Israeli babies in a giant witch’s cauldron or claim America needs a “national project to unite us” so we should build the world’s largest flag and drape it over Oklahoma.
>>2602550at this point there's no way to make a satire that succeeds the reality. Old bidencrat establishment types are getting dunked on by progressives in the zeitgeist left and right. Whether that actually means anything or not for the left in america is always going to be up for debate (shitflinging). But my point still stands
>>2602503trump already won a second term, he doesnt have to please anyone, he can be as mean and stupid as he wants.
of course there is no stopping the democrats from winning the 2026 midterms because he failed to fix the economy though
Americans how has your country not collapsed into civil war yet
https://med.stanford.edu/urology/news/06-02-2025.html
>In The San Francisco Chronicle, Dr. Sonn explained that President Biden will likely undergo hormone therapy to lower testosterone levels and shrink cancer cells. “Some people may live for a decade or longer with metastatic prostate cancer,” he said, adding that patients’ responses to treatment vary widely.On the one hand, he may live for another decade (please god that would be so funny). But on the other hand, we will get an era of Low-T biden. Which is also very fucking funny. I'm optimistic.
>>2602552I feel like the best satire these days has to fool people into thinking it’s real. Like ideally parody Rod would write an article about how “LGBT culture” has made it “embarrassing” to kiss his son on the lips.
>>2602450Seems like a great idea for a Communist party to hitch their wagon to the Democrats then. Besides the whole imperialism thing, which none of you care about at all, I can see no way that selling out your credibility to the least popular and most consistently harmful party in America would possibly backfire.
>>2602550You're already in the CPUSA. You know all about being a die hard establishment Dem.
>>2602206>>2602193Burger man’s burden
so, no war?
Mixing legal and illegal tacticd
Legal
>paying for a gun permit
Illegal
<nothing
>>2602577War permit denied
>>2602578It’s called choosing your battles, maybe you retards would understand that if you did anything. A thin blue line bumper sticker on your truck might be the difference between your comrades getting murdered or not.
I think it's just that no one wants to have a war for Christmas. If the actual invasion or significant escalation of Venezuela is truly decided, it will come by next spring.
>>2602582fighting for azov to show you're not a communist kek
>>2602587Holy shit it's the man himself. Hard to think of someone else who resembles the embodiment of evil quite like Elliot fucking Abrams
>>2602582>its called choosing your battlesThe only battle youve chosen is talking shit on leftypol
>>2602524Being able to do school work well and having some rote memorization skills isn't the same as political acumen.
>>2602386You begged for money for food and rent and then you went to get a tattoo
No wonder your parents hate you
>>2602594I’m fighting a one man war against the fascists that make up 90% to this board. This place is my Stalingrad and I’m Yakov Pavlov.
>>2602605I love how anyone can just pretend to be felix
>>2602608the true immortal science
ama
>>2602610Why did you sell poison to the workers and why are you so unrepentant about it?
>>2602503come on man, everyone knows r/trump isn't his hard core supporters. The true hardcore people go on truthsocial and thedonald.win. reddit conservatives are like guys who supported vivek in the primary then sucked it up and voted trump.
>>2602370sounds like tucker made a lot of money on polymarket
>>2602617Houdini myst learn
>>2602612
he was killed at 21; didn't have much of a chance did he?
>>2602620That is true. I will review my stance on Hampton.
>>2602610have you handed out machetes to the homeless yet?
>>2602610Are you still living in that crackhead hostel?
My bad, I have been confusing Hampton and Huey Newton all along.
>>2602612>>2602624Damn that's sad. I feel like you've been lashing out at anyone who brings up Fred Hampton
for months now.
>>2602568So do your parents buy you toy tanks or just a private education? It must be quite upsetting to the bourgeois freaks to see you failing so bad when they spent so much money on you.
Why does Houdini validate and actively encourage the worst of lumpen behaviour (drugs, stealing, vandalism etc) and insists that is part of the 'struggle' when it is just immediate gratification of ill-disciplined animals who would rape and kill with no remorse if given the freedom?
>>2602625Again with 'for months'
I havent been here for months
I lashed out on Hampton for the past 3 days.
Always melodramatic, the american
>>2602587Watching the video rn, taking notes
(around 19m:55s)
Interviewer:
>2 questions: what do you think is likely to happen and what do you think should happen?Elliot Abrams:
<It is conceivable to me that in a month or 2 months the president says: "This is ridiculous, let's walk away from this," [then] declares victory on the grounds that maritime drug trafficking is way way down (and it is way way down — I think the administration said 92% down, of course it'll come back as soon as the fleet leaves…) but anyways he might declare victory and walk away. <But I don't think he will do that because no one will be fooled*. This is a confrontation now between Maduro and Trump and if Maduro survives and Trump walks away, Trump has lost. And it's a big defeat and it's "our" hemisphere. And Trump chose to do this. He chose in a sense to create this crisis. <So what is he likely to do? I think there are 2 options and we're seeing one of them already: A blockade of the export of their oil, and the goal there would be to eliminate that source of revenue for the regime. Already if you are the owner of a ship carrying sanctioned oil out of Vuvuzela or carrying some ingredient (they have very thick crude they use diluents to dilute it so it can for example move through pipelines) you're not going to do that now. You're going to try to wait this out. <Oddly enough, and it is ironic, the only oil leaving Venezuela is that of Chevron which is an exception to the sanctions(No fucking shit dumbass lmfao)
<But it's way down. Any oil they do manage to sell would be heavily discounted. The revenue to the regime is going to drop a lot. We're already doing that and I think we'll be doing it a good deal more. <And for that you do need maybe not exactly this fleet, but you need significant forces around Vuvuzela and around the Carribean. <The second step, which he could have taken first but obviously didn't, is to hit land parties in Vuvuzela to prove to Maduro and everyone that he is serious. (he details all the targets)
>yada yada blah blah
<This is in good part a PSYOP meant to crack the regime. Meant to lead somebody in the military to rise up. Meant to lead Maduro to the conclusion that he should get out of there now. (The rumors around here are that his wife is already thinking that way)(bitches never loyal smh)
<He may go down with the ship or he may leave tomorrow morning but the pressure is certainly building. >>2602628his last post seemed to be much more normal. He was organizing community hang outs and stuff as well as food pantries and general anarchist mutual aid things (secular charity). I think his consciousness is growing rapidly now that he's actually interfacing with the true materiality of the way things work. Of course any lumpen valorization needs to be criticized a bit, but there are some aspects of being a lumpen that are quite unavoidable until they're lifted up out of that hole so some leeway and humanization should be given in that respect.
Anyways, houdini has grown on me a bit. I encourage the dope things he actually does do, and I think he gets more than enough shit here for the dumb shit he does. He's braver than most here, I'll tell you that. I just sit on my computer all day talking shit.
>>2602630OK then I guess there's two anons who really hate Fred Hampton, and one of them is somehow really new
>>2602633That is a welcome development, then.
I hope he keeps growing and eventually becomes a communist.
https://samkriss.substack.com/p/douglas-murray-gruesome-toadyreposting this from another thread about neocons because I found it interesting:
>I do actually agree with Douglas Murray that there is such a thing as evil in the world. Where we disagree is that I think there is a germ of evil buried inside all of us, and most of the time that germ is something perfectly mundane. Georges Ruggiu just wanted to be respected: that desire is not evil in itself, but it can make you do evil things. (There’s evil in me as well. I’m no stranger to the pleasure of hating; I’m doing it right now.) I think the sadism and cruelty of October 7th—and the far greater sadism and cruelty Israel has displayed since—have their origins in entirely ordinary human frailties, the petty self-deceptions and insecurities that churn away inside everyone’s mind basically all the time. But according to Murray, people like me have been deluded in our ‘search for endless subtlety and limitless understanding,’ which is why we’re ‘missing out on one of the greatest divides of all.’ Instead of trying to understand anything, we should just accept that morality works in basically the same way that it does on Power Rangers. There are goodies and baddies. Sorry, but this is not serious. HarperCollins might as well have published a book about how when it rains, that’s God crying. To see a 46-year-old man speaking in this childish register produces a genuine shudder. The horror of the man-child, the pervert or imbecile who never managed to grow up. The political equivalent of an adult baby diaper fetishist.
>But I don’t think Murray really believes in this infantile moral universe he’s conjured. That’s for his readers. He is secretly on the side of the death cults.
>The official story is that Murray likes Israel and Israelis because they embody the same liberal values as the West. But that’s not it at all. In fact, he thinks Israel is better than the West. He keeps going into raptures over how much more mature and well-developed Israeli teenagers are than their peers in America and Europe. He meets a group of IDF conscripts, and discovers that they’re nineteen years old. ‘It nearly floored me. These girls were the same age as a student going to college in America or Britain. They were the same age as people in the West who are treated like—and act like—children. But these Israelis were not children. They were young women. And soldiers at that.’ (Big talk from a man who’s just spent a hundred pages whimpering for his lollipop, but I digress.) What, at root, is the difference between these Israeli Überfrauen and the ungrateful toddlers of London and New York? ‘Young Israelis do not have the luxury of deciding whether they like war or develop grand ideas such as “war doesn’t solve anything.”’ He’s not wrong! If you’re a young, non-Haredi Israeli Jew and you decide that your moral convictions forbid you to join the army, the state can arrest you and send you to prison. Older Israelis don’t have that luxury either; they’re routinely arrested for criticising the army or mourning its victims. I think I prefer the decadent West.
>But Murray’s hatred of the West and our liberal-democratic values doesn’t end there. He writes that after spending time in Israel, home started to feel like a strange place. ‘Whenever I made brief trips back to America or Britain, I kept noticing the way these societies far from the front lines seemed to have been driven mad by war. In Britain the euthanasia debate had come round again, and the same moral issues were being rehearsed again. Is this really the highest moment of human achievement and peace, I wondered. To decide when you might kill an old person? In all this time, the place that felt least out of joint was Israel.’ I’m not sure how this counts as being ‘driven mad by war,’ but what he says is true: the debate over assisted dying has been a significant one in Britain. It’s one I’m interested in, because I’ve been on both sides in quick succession. I thought I was implacably against until earlier this year, when I had to watch my mother slowly dying in a hospital ward, and learned first-hand what unassisted dying really means. Maybe one day I’ll write about it. But Murray has no time for our democratic attempts to balance the values of life and dignity in the difficult spaces where they conflict. He prefers Israel, where they don’t argue about that sort of thing at all, and public debate involves people who say stuff like ‘Death to the Arabs’ and ‘Gaza must be made uninhabitable’ and ‘Blot out the tribe of Amalek.’ Ah! Sanity!
>Clearly, what Murray really likes about Israel is its proximity to war. In his introduction, he writes that ‘perhaps the only force in the world even greater than evil itself is the great, collected, concentrated evil that is war.’ This is literally meaningless dreck. An example of a thing can’t be greater than the thing itself. ‘Perhaps the only lunch more satisfying than a sandwich is the great, meaty sandwich we call hamburgers.’ Murray has to talk like this because he’s trying to worm his way out of a contradiction: he knows he’s supposed to denounce war in general terms, but actually he’s not against it. His problem with Europe is that it’s no longer a martial civilisation; it’s ‘entered a postreligious era in which the very idea of fighting, killing, or dying for your faith is anathema.’ America, meanwhile, has ‘friendly countries to its north and south and ocean everywhere else.’ But Israel is a different matter. Israel is the giddy frontier, locked in a permanent demographic hyperwar against its own population, an endless struggle to kill and repress and subdue. Out of that constant struggle, you get a fierce, disciplined society. Just not a very democratic one. He likes Israel because it’s one of his death cults. I don’t think he’s ignorant about the massacres, the rape camps, the deliberate targeting of journalists. He knows, even if he pretends not to, that what Israel is carrying out in Gaza is a genocide. All the moralistic drivel in his book, the big toddler’s tantrum over goodies and baddies, is a very flimsy disguise for the pleasures of evil. >>2602633He took up arms to murder workers, then sold them poison when he was done. He feels no remorse for either of these things and refuses to pass on his training to anyone else.
>>2602632So again, for tldr and to boil down what Abrams thinks will happen:
1. Trump might just walk away and declare victory because it's too hard and annoying
2. 1 may actually not happen because "no one will be fooled" (I think that's a stupid point, hardly anyone is fooled by trump anymore yet he does whatever he wants anyways)
2 (cont): He can continue to blockade vuvuzela oil which reduces income for maduro regime
(he openly admits Chevron is an exception to this lmfao)
And
maybe they'll strike land targets to prove they're serious
And this is all for the ultimate goal of demoralizing the current regime in hopes they coup Maduro.
I trust Abrams in his explanation for what the administration is actually thinking and what they're options are, but I am of course not convinced whatsoever that the pressure campaign to encourage a coup will work.
I think the vuvuzela shit will all be a waste of time, a war of attrition with no victor and ultimately simply something for the MIC to do because they're bored and because piracy makes money for corrupt members of the US military brass etc.
>>2602638I don't remember that. Do you have a screenshot or proof?
>>2602638>He feels no remorse for either of these thingshow do you always know the insides of others' minds so well? how can I gain this ability?
>refuses to pass on his training to anyone else.if he were doing this, why would he tell you?
>>2602640he's just making accusations as usual because he sees himself as judge, jury, executioner.
>>2602626You keep harping on this after you were exposed for funding cops and Israel
>>2602640Houdini had admitted both to being a troop and selling drugs before, I don't track his posts because I'm not a weird wannabe cop.
>>2602642So the answer is yes, your parents do buy you toy tanks. It must be nice having mommy and daddy to subsidize your treat addiction.
>>2602638I do not know how true but it fits the character. Houdini is a dealer, a pimp. He will happily destroy lives for a quick and easy 100$. Worse, he will pass this animalistic behaviour as 'leftism'; he'd probably add words like 'rhisomatic'.
Houdini is Makhno. In due time, he must be dealt with by actual communists.
>>2602644You spend thousands on guns you don’t use to directly fund the Gazan genocide and to top it off you donate to your local red squad; you’re in no position to lecture others
>>2602632>(bitches never loyal smh)Women be going into exile
>>2602648You can permaban the man, you can filter the namefag, but you can never kill the idea.
Kill Evan and a thousand Reif will rise. Rhisomatic, as the animal Houdini would say.
Another thing mentioned in the Elliot Abrams video, which I think is true, is they're like an invasion would be crazy because the geography. But the U.S. does not have the forces to do it currently arrayed there. The number of troops stationed nearby is not even close to the force that invaded Panama (which was around 30,000). They call that the OOB (order of battle).
>>2602646Let me guess, mommy and daddy pay your rent too, don't they? Or do you still live in their basement?
>>2602622no just food everyday because of how we are operating our food stand
>>2602623yes and I almost became homeless yesterday, barely had the money for weekly rent, gotta find a better way
>>2602628we are all constrained by the material conditions of our current positions on the game board.
>>2602656For a guy who claims to be a communist you sure don’t give a fuck about victims of imperialism when you can’t use them as a prop for yourself. Anytime someone talks about anything else you rant about how it’s literally killing people, but when it comes time to talk about how you’re literally funding a genocide you ignore it. Gaza doesn’t even exist to you, does it?
>>2602636I have grown quite disillusioned with the insurrectionist anarchist revolutionary ideas that have been at my forefront since those nights on the streets during summer of 2020.
>>2602658The material conditions force you to throw proles in drugs and have young women get raped for a few bucks? Buzzwords will not absolve you. At least be honest with yourself. Join a Nazi biker gang - embrace your lumpen-hooliganism.
>>2602555>biden forced feminization arkSad.
What fun old time nickname do you think he calls them? The family jewels? His nads? His hairy cherries? His goon prunes?
>>2602661Ah! That is good news. I assume you are open to join a party then?
>>2602654I like the term order of battle and it's acronym OOB. Making your stupid invasions that brutalize poor already subjugated people sound official with these little terms.
"whats the order of battle sir?"
"Enough to rape every woman in the Falcón state of Vuvuzela"
>>2602660So the answer is yes, once again. You live in your parents basement painting tanks all day and get pissed off that they make you work instead of just freeloading off them. People like you shouldn't have to work, you should be able to play games and read heckin comics all day. What did you even go to private school for if you were just going to work at a grocery store?
>>2602666Felix, did colonialism create capitalism or vice-versa?
>>2602668be careful he might call you an uncle tom again
>>2602669I don't care what a stale ravioli calls me.
>>2602624Why is one bad but not the other? Both of them were Black Panthers.
>>2602628>actively encourage the worst of lumpen behaviour (drugs, stealing, vandalism etc)Not to defend individualistic lumpen but all those actions are fine if it goes towards the larger cause. If leftists can kill for the revolution then stealing and dealing drugs is just as excusable, if not more so.
>>2602673I mean he’s ignoring anything I post to write about “Le private school” too.
>>2602643>I don't keep evidence unlike copsrevealing that you would suggest cops actually bother with evidence, but even weirder that you would suggest producing evidence would make you a wannabe cop even though you already present yourself as judge, jury, and executioner in literally every conversation.
>>2602676Why won't you repent for going to private school?
>>2602677>proving my claims would make me a copthe most brilliant dodge I've ever seen. I kneel
>>2602668I mean, not Felix but couldn’t they be concurrent rather than directly and cleanly one causing the other? Stuff like the merchants in Britain and the Netherlands gaining more power/independence from the aristocracy (in part thanks to knock on effects of the Black Death and certain local particularities) and then in turn funding some colonial ventures which made them rich which in turn allowed them to fund even more?
>>2602681he simultaneously does
>proving my claims would make me a copwhen he accuses others. But if we ask him what party we should join he goes
<wouldn't you like to know, officer? Trump is forcing Pakistan to send troops to Gaza.
>>2602686that's exactly the point vivek chibber was making in a jacobin mag article (it's absolutely true and correct) and felix went apeshit and started calling chagos poster an uncle tom
>>2602679>posting both fascist propaganda AND a heckin' epic pop culture referenceleftypol, never change.
>>2602688No, I've been quite clear that I don't want you anti-communists to attack my party, so I will never reveal their identity to you. All it would do is open them up to attacks.
>>2602690That wasn't me, but anyone who reads Jacobin is objectively a Hitlerite.
>>2602693that was very clearly you. you only deny it because you got destroyed completely stomped for being the most tone deaf I've ever seen someone be on this site (high bar)
>>2602693Chibber published it in Jacob in but his views are generally distinct from Jacobin's usual retardation.
You are just mad that Chibber is a non-huwhite who pushes against idpol antiscientific nonsense.
Is Vivek Chibber the struggle session of the week?
the spirit of christmas really is alive here on leftypol because this is the most fun I've ever had on this god forsaken website
>>2602696Easy to shit on Americans, Abu Bakr but sooner or later you will have to deal with the psychotic place religion has in your society. Your ritualistic sacrifice of women and children is getting tiresome now. Americans are to blame, but maybe your own too? A little bit?
>>2602695I love how I haunt all your dreams and live in your heads rent free now, but that was not me.
>>2602697I neither know nor care who Chibber even is, but all bourgeois academics are class enemies who should be liquidated.
>>2602703the entire point is that it might as well be you
>>2602701>Abu Bakr but sooner or later you will have to deal with the psychotic place religion has in your societyyep its shit, no shit i wonder who funded tzhe religious extremists and i wonder who made life conditions so shit that social progress is not only stunted but regressing, thank you usa you are my best friend
>>2602701>Your ritualistic sacrifice of women and children is getting tiresome nowyoure talking about the wrong semites here bro
>>2602703>bourgeois academicsAcademics are neither bourgeois (they don't own the means of prod) nor proletariat you fucking moron. They are academics.
my favorite part of that entire crashout was when he was like
>I asked black comrades on tiktok and twitter if it was ok to call black revisionists uncle toms and they said yes
>>2602705>>2602705Yeah the zionists do it worst. But I do see a lot of similarity between Jewish civil society and Arab civil society. They are like two brothers.
After all, family feuds are the most bitter…
>>2602706They are parasites who produce nothing except bourgeois propaganda, and they all know what they're doing.
Any professor at an elite university is automatically your enemy and should be treated as such.
>>2602708NTA but isn't anon kind of implying that they aren't islamist?
>>2602691If your party can't take limpwristed "attacks" from leftypolers it's completely worthless.
>>2602710I'm tired of arguing with Arabs who only see half of the story (America funding their looney) but never the other half (why the population is so easily captivated by islamism compared to other isms). He can keep fooling himself and the ritualistic sacrifice of women and children will continue. Fucking semites I tell ya
>>2602712seems like a pick your battles issue? I'm sure the secularizing force of the global international community will do that job for you once imperialism is dealt with.
>>2602713Felix is trans?!?!?!?
>>2602715Very naive of you.
>>2602708>But I do see a lot of similarity between Jewish civil society and Arab civil societyidk man most arabs ik dont cheer on a genocide but im levantine not saudi/emirati maybe its different for these rich fucks, in regards to womens right you western libs love so much i mean it was way more liberal (almost nobody wore hijab, people drank alc openly mixed parties etc ) from like the 60s-90s but constant warfare turned people religious as thats the only thing left for many (dont tell me you wouldnt look for something to hold onto when half your family gets blown up)
>>2602712lol, lmao even, some israeli propagandist gets shot and americans start crying to god and jesus if they went through 1/10 of what the average arab goes through they would genocide half the world oh nvm they do that already!
Nothing happened huh
>>2602717naive of me to… understand the general sociological force that always pushes societies towards secularization?
>>2602713Your comrades in Ukraine already doxxed me long ago, my information is known.
>>2602708>They are like two brothers.After all, family feuds are the most bitter…Settler colonialist really is a brother….
>>2602722you can't stop posting your own L's over and over again
>>2602726Getting doxxed by Nazis is not an L, it means I am doing something right and have correctly uncovered their op in Ukraine.
>>2602727it's like you have no concept of what should actually be embarrassing and what isn't. That part of your brain is completely broken
>>2602729I am too principled not to have enemies.
>>2602719>i mean it was way more liberal (almost nobody wore hijab, people drank alc openly mixed parties etc ) from like the 60s-90s but constant warfare turned people religiousTruth suicide bomb
>>2602712>I'm tired of arguing with Arabs who only see half of the story With all due respect, these are people of honor, anon. And brave fighters. Like we're Americans posting in /usapol/ and we already have weird religious sects all over the place. Let's be real for a second. I can buy an assault rifle from the gas station. Nobody ever said freedom isn't free.
>>2602690…Why would anyone crashout over something so innocuous? This is like losing your shit over whether Mithraism was an actual competitor to Christianity or not, it seems like a harmless historical debate.
That said, I don't think Capitalism (at least in its current form) can be cleanly separated from colonialism. I think colonialism played a massive role in how it developed.
Y'know something intriguing about it is like, in history you see a lot of these cases where there are huge booms in agriculture or what have you that leads to a kind of overproduction of population, which create pressures to expand outward. The Viking Age, for example, was preceded by a population boon in Scandinavia: lots of people + not enough land to farm resulted in these daring raids at first for loot and then later farmland. I believe Egypt became an Empire because the Nile wasn't just fertile, but also consistent enough to build civilizations around (meanwhile in the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia the rivers would flood seemingly wildly and uncontrollably) which in turn led to large surpluses of food, growing populations, and the need to expand.
In Iberia you had the end of the reconquista resulting in all of these violent third sons/children of aristocrats who traditionally attained land by invading neighboring Islamic kingdoms. They discover the New World (in part spurred on by pressures like the fall of the Byzantine Empire and the general economic restrictions in trading with Muslims resulting in spice shortages) and that becomes a means of acquiring titles/land. But it was ultimately the mercantile class which saw the greatest boon from colonization of the Americas because it opened up opportunities to
diversify. Everything from cash crops to the fur trade was a path to prosperity. Sure there was land to farm but more importantly the diversity of commodities within the new world opened up new avenues for economic exploitation.
And the thing is aristocrats couldn't have overseen Capitalism's rise like the merchants could have. If a nobleman lets land go fallow, well, he's still a nobleman. A merchant has to exploit what resources he has or he isn't a merchant anymore.
Ultimately the growing bourgeoisie shaped conquests into colonialism in a historically significant way. The Brits didn't go into India to find more farmland for freemen and nobles, they wanted to exploit its resources. It didn't matter if you kept some Raj bribed and "ruling" from his palace as long as you could maintain enough control to put the locals into factories and harvest cotton, opium, spice, etcetera. Ultimately I think America "purified" colonialism into a solely capitalist framework that didn't even have the remnants of the old feudal system. We didn't have to plant our flag down or do any map painting, we just pressured weaker nations into our market and created a set of red lines that mostly involved interfering with our businesses ruthlessly exploiting their resources.
I haven't kept up with American politics for two weeks, what's happening?
>>2602732While I agree you can't cleanly separate them, I also think that if only the continent of Europe existed, if NA, SA, Hong Kong, India, etc were not on this planet, Capitalism would have still existed.
>>2602742read it
>>2602744mf i said books and u hit me with a video mf
>>2602741Communist manifesto. What is to be done.
>>2602746Then read any of his books. Chibber rules.
>>2602747manifesto is good but also super old news. Same with "what is to be done". Lenin was discredited when it comes to praxis in already established bourgeois democracies plain and simple. We need contemporary theory or we'll get nothing done
>>2602749Lenin has not been discredited, least of all by some bourgeois waffentwerp who teaches the richest kids in the world.
>>2602757he's been discredited by the undeniable fact that not a single bourgeois democracy throughout the entire world has had a bolshevik style revolution. Not once. Nada. Zilch.
Telling anyone other than people living in a literal feudal society to read WITBD is asking them to masturbate over having a 1900s revolution in a country with fucking 5G internet and Starbucks. I'm honestly SO tired of it at this point.
>>2602759Did you read it?
>>2602759Wtf is "bolshevik style" revolution?
>>2602761Yes you fucking dumbass I've read it. Everyone has. For literally 100 fucking years we've read it. And not a SINGLE bourgeois democracy has been helped. Not one. So it isn't helpful. It was helpful to vietnam, china, russia, venezuela, cuba etc. But not to places like western EU or america. Because its analysis of these places is
incorrect because Lenin was
not perfect. You're being left behind in theory.
>>2602759Neither 5G nor Starbucks have changed the laws of capitalism, as correctly described by Lenin.
>>2602766And how does your little bourgeois academic propose that we end the Capitalist mode of production and overthrow Imperialism?
>>2602769Can you answer the question or not?
I am suspecting the latter.
>>2602766Nah. It is because the opportnism was more advanced in western countries. Lenin keeps stressing the importance of theory, of correct theory, of marxism. Or something. I didnt read it myself tbh
>>2602766Of course lenin wasnt perfect. Thats why he had to consult marx from time to time. Now marx was a genius
>>2602771The only person we know for sure is wrong about what to do in already established bourgeois capitalist states is Lenin. People alive today who theorize what to do (I'm not saying chibber is right) at least have a *chance* to be right because we can suggest something new.
Even in Russia Lenin had to fight the opportunists
>>2602775>newMods, permaban this modernizer, NOW! DO IT NOW HE IS RIGHT HERE!
>>2602696> another million 9/11sThat only equals one 10/7. Never forget the 144,000.
>>2602775You didnt read what is to be done dont lie.
>>2602775So your bourgeois academic has no theories on how to end the capitalist mode of production (which supports him) and overthrow Imperialism (which supports his institution), why am I not shocked?
It's almost like….he has a material benefit to maintain this system or something.
>>2602759>5G, starbucksTell me again how treatlerism is a meme and not
the theory of Americanism of the 21st century?
You read what is to be done?
Name all the chapters, NOW! And give a summary of each chapter.
>>2602781every country in the third world, if it were to somehow have the same level of development as EU and NA would experience the exact same thing. It's funny that you understand chibbers argument about Colonialism vs Capitalism and their relations to one another, yet you fail to understand how Bourgeois Democracy functions to prevent a communist uniparty takeover. You are realist in one sense as long as it concerns the Global South, but not in any other because you just want to dunk on people that happen to be born in a western country
>>2602764it's where liberals make the tsar abdicate and form an unstable provisional govt. but they refuse to end WW1 so you overthrow the liberal provisional government using pissed off soldiers who got drafted, and peasants who were promised land reform, in order to establish the supremacy of the proletariat, but really you just do 80 years of social democracy under the guidance of a beareaucracy of professional revolutionaries, becoming gradually more revisionist until you voluntarily dissolve and let the capitalists rape you.
>>2602783How does your totally not parasitic bourgeois academic propose that we end the Capitalist mode of production and overthrow Imperialism?
If you are going to play this bourgeois academic up as the man who discredited Lenin, you should be able to answer the question.
>>2602786exactly lmao. Like "just do Lenin, just read WITBD. If we get enough people to be Leninists then problem solved" and they completely ignore the result of it, like the NEP etc. Cult of personality as a replacement for whatever need human have for religiosity even if they identify as communists. Total brainlets with no actual ability to synthesize thought.
>>2602790Lenin was a marxist, though.
>>2602090He's not intentionally transparent, he's just a bully. His filter is failing so you get worsening tantrums, but he's never been honest except by accident. It's becoming more difficult for him to hide, but the paid movement does it for him with obfuscation theater and staged infighting among influencers, and this is precisely why they are ill informed low information voters.
Rhetoric and dialectic that exploit confirmation biases as opposed to 'acting' in service to the truth is the highest art of propaganda. The base are victims of gaslighting and are still trapped in this cycle, which leads me to conclude that being a reactionary isn't a state so much as a tendency toward the familiar, which isn't exclusive to either side. Now I might not understand what I just wrote until I'm awake but I think this makes sense.
Oh yeah…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quVERH404pA >>2602790One does not make a revolution, though
>>2602783>every country in the third world, if it were to somehow have the same level of development as EU and NA would experience the exact same thing. Yes. Treatlerism would apply to the Third World if the Third World became the First World. Congratulations on understanding the most basic of things.
>>2602776And I suppose you are the next Lenin or something.
>>2602783>you fail to understand how Bourgeois Democracy functions to prevent a communist uniparty takeoverNo shit Einstein, the bourgeoisie is not handing the proletariat power on a platter! Why did I not think about this?
>>2602795What are you saying?
>>2602783I would go further than you. Third Worlders, while being light years behind the First World materially, are also treatlerites. I have come to believe they enjoy being slaves. Some Freudian freak pseudo-intelectual surely has a sado-maso theory for this.
Everyone here is going on about how all you need to do is follow Lenin's how to guide, but are any of you? Give me some examples how ypu have success following it.
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>>2602803I routinely call professors 'graduated bourgeois flunkeys'. I often exclaim 'METAPHYSICS, JULIUS!'.
It ain't much but it's Leninist alright.
Vivek ok leninist party formation in the 1st world:
interviewer:
>should we reject the leninist party model?
vivek:
<it's a question that everyone has their own Pet Answer but it depends… on how you define Leninist party model
(they both chuckle)
<so if you define it really narrowly, then yeah you're not going to be able to have that model today because that model was a very secretive very militaristic model based on very tight controlled structures and mechanisms within the party. That was attuned to parties in a pre-democratic era. Remember Western EU countries didn't have democracy until the 20s, and by that time the Leninist model was incubated between 1890 and 1915. So with this world today, that narrow definition of the Leninist model couldn't really work I think.
>So what do you mean for this kind of "broader definition" then?
Vivek:
<This is I think we do require a party which is like the Leninist party, based in the working class. So it is in that sense a vanguard of class. The vanguard doesn't mean pointy-headed professors imagining what the workers want and telling them.
<What lenin meant about the Vanguard was they would be constituted of the Class-Conscious element, the most political active advanced workers really being encrusted and empowered to organize the party.
>>2602801From my experience, they all want to become first worlders such as yourself. I guess that is the same as first worlders in a sense as they all want to be petit booj and probably the same for the petit booj to booj.
It's kinda funny that this would not be immediately obvious to anyone.
>>2602810>such as yourselfDo not lump me with the willing slaves that are the third worlders
Do not lump me with the degenerates that are the first worlders
I am a humble student of Marx and Lenin. Of Newton and Darwin. Of Boltzmann and Maxwell.
Again, my point in all of this is not to say that Lenin is necessarily wrong, my point comes from what started all of this which is the cringe and constant recommendation to "read WITBD" every single time someone asks for a theory recommendation. It's a useless exercise for anyone already left wing, it's filled with specific bullshit about historical politics at the time, and it doesn't really easily lend itself to understanding and acting on what to do in the 21st century. It's fucking BORING dude.
Vivek is himself by some broad way to define it a "Leninist" but only in that he is a communist who understand the need for a workers party etc, and that he wants the eventual abolition of Class. He's UPDATED, unlike most people here. That is my complaint.
Lenin this
Bakunin that
man where the hoes at
>>2602812There are many more third worlders other than Congolese miners. I am obviously not talking about them, or about Kenyan slave-maids in Qatar, or Sudanese villagers etc.
Shove your sentimentalism in your ass, ugly pig.
>>2602810I hate how there is this assumption being ascetic is somehow communist. As if rejecting any sort of modern comfort is pious. Denouncing "commodities" as having moralist implications. As if production itself is to be ceased
>>2602817The hoes? Why? So you can pimp them to your lumpen chums so you can make a quick buck?
>>2602816What is to Be Done isn't even that important, Lenin's seminal work was either State and Revolution or Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky.
Your bourgeois academic clearly rejects class struggle, so how does he propose that we end the capitalist mode of production and overthrow Imperialism?
Why is it so difficult for you to answer this question?
>>2602817You never answered my question about why you sold poison to the workers instead of getting a real job.
>>2602821He doesn't reject class struggle you're just a retard. My point is that anyone reading today has to update him in his own mind and try to apply it to the contemporary space we live in, which is just fucking reinventing the wheel because other people already did that and you can read them instead.
>>2602803Everyone? I'm not anyone's disciple except for the Nazorean, so not a regular anywhere but just a passersby. See ya…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n7xu6gmu9M >>2602826oh I done been there buddy. The only problem is, again, applying this to NA and the EU requires something that just isn't fully Dengist, because we don't have communist party uniparty control (yet)
>>2602823How does he propose to end the capitalist mode of production and overthrow Imperialism?
He clearly thinks Lenin was "too militant" which is a strong red flag that he has discarded class struggle. I do not mean this in the metaphorical sense, I mean this in the literal, flesh and blood, life or death struggle that your bourgeois academic cannot understand because he is so insulated from the realities of the workers.
>>2602826I said it before and I will say it again. Incredible how someone can mention Deng or vaguely allude to a semblance of Dengism and
The Scroll will appear within minutes.
Impressive. Marxist-Leninist-Maoists-Principally-Maoists could never.
>>2602829You're just dumb as fuck and can't think in any fluid way whatsoever. You're somehow a leftcom but for lenin, an impressive feat
In between shifts of educating the most privledged people on earth so they can better exploit the workers he pretends to care about, your bourgeois academic pens tracts telling the workers not to fight back, not to resist, but to limit themselves to strategies acceptable to the Bourgeoisie. Your bourgeois academic preaches class collaboration.
>>2602830Nah not as in Nazareth. He meant Nazi-Borean = Nazorean
>>2602832It's a simple question, yet one of the utmost importance. It's clear that your bourgeois academic has no answer for it.
He probably doesn't think it's all that important, after all. Why would we want to overthrow the system that's been so good to him?
>>2602833Obviously you're not a sincere poster so arguing with you is pointless. You constantly rely on emotionally charged moralizing rhetoric as well as completely provably false accusations.
>>2602830No, I meant Nazorean. It's how Catholics spell it. Idk about super apostles of the mega churches. They do their own thing.
>>2602819>telling on yourselfWhat did anything I said have to do with anything I said? Do I have to give you a spark notes for the easiest to follow statements? Chagos said slaves want to be slaves, some kind of neetsche type deal, I wouldn't know, I only ever read the wiki articles. I said in my experience people are only comcerned with improving their position in thr hiearchy(their "station" in life.)
I guess I will add more since a lot of you can't intuit anything: movin on up(already in the embed), makimg it, uhhh winning! Not being a loser, the game of life, the rat race, getting ahead, don't get left behind, I don't have to be faster than the bear just you, insert more idioms here.
Also will add people here that for a prole the most rational and fruitful strategy is to organize with other proles if you want to improve your own material conditions, but that is so flat on ots face retarded that anyone who is not lost in ideology would laugh in your face. Obviously the most efficient and logical way to improve your own material conditions is to play the game, to "sell out."
>>2602836I know leninhat speech is a parody but I stand by every word of it.
>>2602842ok then go kill the child of some sole proprietor running a taco truck to prove you're not a pussy
>>2602837You cannot answer even one simple question.
This bourgeois academic who you claim has discredited Lenin has no answer for the basic questions that Lenin set out to answer (correctly) over 100 years ago.
Now, ask yourself a question.
WHY does he not have an answer?
Could it be that he materially benefits from Imperialism and therefore has no incentive to see it's end?
>>2602842You are probably too new to remember the actual leninhat of lore kek. What a legend.
>>2602844There is no taco truck in Chagos. Only ugly American cockroach. Soon, a nuclear 'accident' will take care of the disgusting Yankee creature. Soon.
>>2602846I have heard great things about Leninhat. Too bad I wasnt around. Same with NewGene, Rafiq etc. Shame.
>is there some role for intellectuals in this movement?
Vivek:
<properly understood, intellectuals in the Leninist and Gramscian, sense are people who do the thinking and the debating. People who try to come up with the articulate program that expresses the views and the lives of the people who they're trying to organize.
<You have to. Without that, what are you? Somebody has to set the agenda, somewhere. Those people are by definition intellectuals.
<If by intellectuals you mean like… Professors and things like that then NO lol. Those should just be thought of as guns for hire. When you need someone to help you with a model for transportation then you bring an economist or whatever to help you.
<But for the people who are setting the agenda, you might have some professors, but the selection criteria will be: people who have given their life to the organization, who are committed to it and who are in touch with the people we are trying to organize.
this place is so fucking dreadful
>>2602856I know right? Not a single good bait. No shitstorm,no fun.
>>2602845I'm not debating with a schizo like you who will forever move the goalpost and never himself articulate his own point of view.
>>2602853Many thanks, Comrade.
Why is it that all hot-blooded dedicated Communists eventually stop posting here while all the boring reptilian demoralisers stick around?
>>2602856Fuck off then. Or do your fingers type 'leftypol.org' against your will?
>>2602851Newgene is still here everyday in siberia at leadt, just mention, adults, children, parents in a post on siberia and you are guarunteed a response from children almost immediately. Maybe you are thing of Eugenic-kun who we called Eugene for short who we named Newgene after for the similarities in their shizo style.
You can still read Eugenics-kun as he took up the monniker we gave him.
https://eugeneseffortposts.royalwebhosting.net/news.html >>2602859>Why is it that all hot-blooded dedicated Communists eventually stop posting herebecause they end up actually doing things irl lmao. This place is mostly for idiots who are too mentally ill to actually go outside
>>2602858Your bourgeois academic produces no theory of value, he simply masturbates so other professors can watch and debate him on technique.
Unless he is helping the people end the Capitalist mode of production (which he is not) and overthrow Imperialism (also nothing), he is producing nothing of value.
That is a parasite, a bourgeois academic.
>>2602808<Remember Western EU countries didn't have democracy until the 20s, and by that time the Leninist model was incubated between 1890 and 1915. So with this world today, that narrow definition of the Leninist model couldn't really work I think. From the 1920s-1950s most European states were authoritarian-conservative with limited pluralism at best. Germany in the 1920s was unusual and had a highly progressive constitution for the time, but you know what happened after that.
I view this place simmilar to a circus. Which is why I keep coming back
>>2602818>I am obviously not talking about themalright then lets take an egyprtian baker as example, poor as shit cant afford much food aside of beans and bread, cant afford to go to a hospital, lives in some half fallen apart building and yet has to pay two thirds of his income on rent for that shit if he dares to open his mouth against the government he will be put in prison and tortured (sorry vro but dont you dare diss abd el fatah el sissy!) and his wife and kids are gonna be alone not able to make enough money for food and education of the kids, given such circumstances wouldnt you be opportunistic? i know i would, and you would probably be too, it is the material conditions around them forcing them into being docile like lets say they try to revolt and instill a socialist gov until then they would need to organize and risk being found and tortured, then they would need to gain momentum and get other people on board who are just as scared and even if they succeed the cia just replaces the new guy with the next puppet shortly afterwards remember 2011? morsi (who was also shit but that aside for now) got whacked and then they got america endorsed sisi making sure foreign and local capitalists are well fed
but to be fair i also dont know how americans could meaningfully get rid of their gov, the gov has the strongest army at their disposal and if it came to revolutionary struggles they would not hesitate to treat you like they have the thirdies abroad and your 2nd amendmend m16s wont help against a f35s and just "voting them out" wont work as theyre just two sides of the same coin and new rival parties would just be declared terrorists
>>2602864True. I think his point still stands though.
>>2602866Wank for the poor thirldies all you want, emotional sissy, but I know that my third world brethren are an absolute embarassment and that we will not achieve anything for atleast 100 more years.
>muh egyptian bakerI shit in his bread. Fuck you, trying to do emotional blackmail like a pussy.
>>2602856Yeah, but isn't all of the internet at this point? Everything and everyone is a LLM including the A1 bots which reinforce the suckiness. This is just one of the places that confuses the algorithm for me so there are rare moments of levity.
>>2602853>>2602859>>2602851I don't agree with that long ass rant but I agree with him in context. There were some liberals always trolling at that time about:
>Butty what about the romanovs! Why did the bolsheviks have to kill their kids!Like of all the children that died in the revolution, why should I care about them in particular? Because they have royal blood? I am sure many children were killed by bolsheviks or soviets here and there for much less reason. Shit happens, why obsess about the stupid meme royals.
>>2602874>timestampLook at that, you literally responded within 90 seconds. You didn't even watch my slop.
EVERYTHING FROM GAY NAZI IS SLOP
>>2602877Maybe he watched it before, retard?
>>2602880No i did not. I just know western chick visiting jungle boys with a bit of bitching muh poor villagers muh uneducated orphans is not worth my time.
>>2602853>>2602875it's weirdly prophetic that this thread was posted exactly 1 week before Hamas did something very epic
Nobody ever watches my embeds 😞
>>2602883Which is why you must stop trying and simply call anon's mother a slut instead
>>2602872>skeptical the old style is applicable And I mean like… it kind of still is it just need to be reasonably adapted to the operations in western liberal constitutional governments. My overall gripe as I've said is just that at this point, even "leninists" have essentially become leftcoms because they see civil war as the only avenue for progress when this is simply
not possible in bourgeois democratic countries. And maybe these retards only exist on the internet and leftypol, maybe they'll be brushed aside by the actual working class, but they're annoying nonetheless.
>it's just a fascination of mineand that's very fair. I think the only reason I'm posting my args here is because I have nothing better to do and it's mostly just an exercise in rhetoric, albeit the majority of my interlocutors are schizos so who's to say it's actually helping me or not.
>>2602868>Wank for the poor thirldies all you wantover here strokin my shit rn
>emotional sissykyaaa dont say that
>but I know that my third world brethren are an absolute embarassmentuneducated fools yeah but that is by design
>and that we will not achieve anything for atleast 100 more years. it wont get easier over time considering how technology is developing, cant wait for day the government sends drone swarms to kill undesirables
>I shit in his bread. Fuck you, trying to do emotional blackmail like a pussy.i was giving an example on the average conditions and how that stunts any meaningful change idk how that is emotional blackmail. but since you are so smart, what do you think can be done you fucking cunt
>>2602889>what can be doneI said it already: an unfortunate nuclear accident or two on Turtle Island (what a shit name)
As for the betterment of my thirldie brothers, forget about it. Nothing can be done for willing slaves who will spit on their benefactor and lick the ass of the master instead.
>>2602890Why is it an important question at all? In a revolution that killed millions why does it matter?
>Estimates for deaths during theRussian Civil War (roughly 1917-1922) vary widely, but historians generally place total casualties (military and civilian, from fighting, famine, disease) between 7 to 12 million
>>2602890Pu Yi was a propagandistic operation, you monarch-lover. So many Chinese imperials got acked brutally but you do not care because muh sissy Pu Yi.
Pu Ssy.
>>2602891if you were to actually force a civil war with that method, in the aftermath the working class would be right back where it was before. The only difference would be afterwards (assuming the communist party won and installed itself like china) that
maybe productive force development would be faster, and even this is doubtful considering that an accelerated pace may not catch up to an equivalent level of development due to how much time may be spent on the war itself. I'm also not convinced that it would help the working class themselves become conscious either. Any efforts spent trying to spark a civil war could be better spent helping the working class itself achieve their goals directly.
>>2602894>Why is it an important question at all?I'll tell you why. For superstructural reasons. And if you don't believe me, ask yourself why did the Bolsheviks not just admit to the whole country and the whole world they killed the Romanov family? Why did they try to cover it up? They finally admitted the tsar was dead in the late 20s, and only in the 70s was the fate of the rest of the family finally revealed through forensic evidence, if I recall. Why the secrecy even after the civil war was over? Because, like it or not, optics do matter. People on here like to be edgy, allegedly because they think they're talking privately among allies, but at the same time we're always accusing each other of being secretly bourgeois.
Turns out, the Bolsheviks relied on the support not just of the proletariat, but of the peasants and the soldiers, many of whom
loved the tsar and his family, were orthodox christians and had socially backwards attitudes. Stalin himself in an interview with Feuchtwanger, decades later, after rapid industrialization, still said the Soviet masses had backwards attitudes, and pointed out to Feuchtwanger how he hated his own cult of personality, but had it foised onto him by "the people" and by the party. Consciousness lags behind material conditions. The soviets couldn't even admit they killed the Romanovs because, believe it or not, to a nation of millions of peasants who worship the tsar, that's a huge public relations failure .Turns out people really do value the lives of the royal family more than their own, and it takes decades of re-education to fix that. This is why the Chinese approach of neutering Puyi worked much better in my opinion. They kept him alive, but revealed him to be an ordinary person. By martyring the tsar and then covering it up, the Bolsheviks were admitting that the majority peasant consciousness had not caught up with them. If it had, they would have admitted to the whole nation they killed the royal family with pride, instead of trying to cover it up. Superstructure matters. Culture matters. Optics matters. The Chinese method of dealing with Puyi was superior. It's not that the royal brats are literally more important than everyone else, it's that
until the spell that gets the masses of people to think that way is broken, you have to be delicate. >>2602741Book Lovers by Emily Henry
>>2602895>Pu Yi was a propagandistic operation, exactly my point
>you monarch-loverthink what you want of me, i am not a namefag. it doesn't matter.
>>2602899And how does the working class achieve its goals "directly?"
>>2602903they are the majority they just simply must become conscious, act collectively together, and take over democratic control of the means of production. Right now, they don't give a shit about civil war. Right now we don't even really know what they want because we haven't established a mass line in the first place.
>>2602899> and even this is doubtful considering that an accelerated pace may not catch up to an equivalent level of development due to how much time may be spent on the war itself.This
> Any efforts spent trying to spark a civil war could be better spent helping the working class itself achieve their goals directly.that's because the TWist perspective is that the 1st world working class doesn't deserve help, it needs its standard of living lowered. the goal of a 1st world revolution isn't actually to make the 1st world working class live better lives. it's to make the imperial core collapse so everyone else can live better lives. It's ultimately an interclass project of the periphery. The bourgeoisie, the proletariat, the aristocracy, and the clerics of the 3rd world all say death to america for this reason. Because it is an inter class project. That is why Osama Bin Laden is a TWist hero for doing 9/11 despite being an anti-soviet warrior from a saudi real estate billionaire family.
>>2602904Lmao and what about the inevitable reaction that sweeps in to remove you from power? This is assuming you even get that far, the bourgeoisie will use a system designed to destroy you and uphold their power to do its job.
Not to mention that even if this is allowed you can only do this at a glacially slow pace, which is not acceptable in a world facing a climate apocalypse. Your best case scenario is that maybe in 50 years you have a large enough block of voters to get free healthcare on a dead world.
Too little, too late, too naive. An all together useless plan.
>>2602891Of course you post anti-communist propaganda here.
>>2602909So you sincerely believe that socialism is only possible through a full blown civil war?
>>2602912Yes. The bourgeoisie must be put down by force.
>>2602913Do you agree that there has never been a revolution in an already established bourgeois democratic country?
>>2602914No. Because that is wrong.
>>2602910I wouldn't describe that as propaganda, technically. More like enemy analysis.
>>2602915the only country that has ever done that is maybe finland. It was over 100 years ago, and reverted back so it doesn't really count.
>>2602918As is usual, you ignore entirely the third world in your analysis. You ignore ongoing revolutions in India and the Philippines for one. But also you ignore all of South America and Africa. South Africa in particular.
>>2602920Oh so you mean places that were NOT bourgeois democratic countries like those found in the West, that are/were mostly peasant based economies and also on the imperial periphery?
>>2602920What about South Africa? Elaborate.
>>2602922South Africa was a wealthy, stable bourgeois Republic.
>>2602924and what are they now?
>>2602924>wealthyWealthy for whom
>stableVerwoed murdered, Soweto 1976, Umkhonto, SACP's underground ops, Namibian border war, Angola fuckery etc… yeah
stable>bourgeoisWas there something peculiar about that bourgeoisie? Did they look like Jay Z or Kendrick Lamar?
>>2602925Their first goal was to overthrow apartheid, which they did. The next goal was supposed to be land reform and rebuilding the economy as a truly democratic system, but they lost their international support just at the same time they won their first war.
Keep in mind that the vast majority of bourgeois academics are anti-Soviet and remember that when you read about South Africa's unfinished revolution.
>>2602924>>2602925also, they were not a "stable bourgeois" republic lmao. They were a white-minority ruled parliamentary system (a parliamentary republic after 1961) characterized by growing racial segregation and a mixed economy heavily reliant on agriculture and mining, but increasingly controlled by the state for white benefit, not pure capitalism. And it wasn't even a civil war, it was a prolonged struggle
(on the note of prolonged struggle that doesn't actually meet the requirements for true civil war: there are degrees of that difference that you could say WOULD happen in, let's say, the USA that would of course happen as a result of political development. In fact I would defend the idea of a spectrum of political violence as a dialectical view of "struggle" that therefore allows for "violence" in class struggle to do the work of political change and eventual abolition of capitalism without fully qualifying as a
civil war)
>>2602927Until very recently you could say all the same things about America that you could South Africa.
>>2602928so you're saying that they're attemption to have a "revolution" in the non-civil war sense through general labor struggles even in the context of a bourgeois democratic government? Sounds like reformism buddy! smh no hope for south africa
>>2602932attempting* jesus christ spelling
>>2602928Thinking that they did not move to stage 2 because they 'lost'international support
You are a moron and a sworn enemy of the South African masses. They refuse to tackle stage 2 because the whole of ANC and SACP are ass lickers of capital, because they are compradors, because they are happily and fattily stupid in that they do not try to study how to tackle stage 2, which is the most difficult fight. Because they are bourgeois pigs. And because the only supposed alternative is a toi-toiing moron named Julius Malema.
International support cones welel after all of this.
Fuck all of you Yanks who insist on infantilising africans and use the latter as a way to show how anti-racists you are.
You will be thrown in the furnace alongside ALL members of the DA, ANC, SACP and the EFF.
You'd rather play fake outrage over the irrelevant nazis of Afriforum and ABW (who have no power except over a few hillbilly farms) instead of naming the enemy clearly: Zuma, Ramaphosa, Zille, Steenhuisen, De Lille, Malema, Shivambu etc.
>>2602931Not comparable. You clearly have no idea what South Africa was and what it is. Yanks should keep their treat-addicted mouths shut and study more.
>>2602932The ANC initiated armed struggle in 1961 and was building an army for the seizure of power by force. This was a considerable task and took them decades because they were nearly wiped out in the middle 60s.
They used all forms of struggle, both legal and illegal, but they maintained an active armed force for over 20 years.
>>2602936again: so you're saying they lost and it didn't work? That they weren't able to LEAP into socialism?
also reposting what I said in regards to the struggle spectrum of violence from civil war down to skirmish and the form that violent repression takes in the developed west:
>on the note of prolonged struggle that doesn't actually meet the requirements for true civil war: there are degrees of that difference that you could say WOULD happen in, let's say, the USA that would of course happen as a result of political development. In fact I would defend the idea of a spectrum of political violence as a dialectical view of "struggle" that therefore allows for "violence" in class struggle to do the work of political change and eventual abolition of capitalism without fully qualifying as a civil war
also eat shit. Deng scroll
>>2602937They accomplished far more than any class collaborationist bourgeois democratic "Communists" ever have. When has your way worked? I don't even mean taking power, which it obviously never has (the only times it came close were crushed by reaction exactly as Lenin predicted) I mean accomplishing anything at all. When has your strategy even won concessions for the people in a bourgeois democracy?
The answer of course is never. And it never will. And that is by design, because your bourgeois academic knows what he's doing.
>nothing ever happens
either trumps a pussy and he's just trying to make the regime collapse via embargo or he's waiting for after christmas
The revolution discussion is difficult to follow since the perspectives appear to be about repeating some version of the past under different circumstances of culture and history. I don't think 'one size fits all' is a pragmatic approach except to the individual 'revolutionary' making such arguments from a dogmatic position for argument's sake. The threats of violence could also be fed b8 but aren't really a threat since there's no cohesive movement that isn't already controlled and precrime just creates more assets. So the avenues of revolution are limited. Even organic cultural revolution in the A1 age is only possible in the offline world. And hardly anybody goes outdoors anymore. The internet was a mistake.
>>2602910>researching the enemy's understanding of your tactics is anti-communist propagandacertified idiot AND a moralist
>>2602946I'd vote for her.
>>2602953Heh, the only choice for me is to use it as little as possible. It seemed less worthless in dialup days due to novelty, but then everyone wasn't dependent on it/ addicted to it.
New accelerationist idea. Instead of edgy LARP rightoid militias we have a Posadist committee that is commited to platforming genuine retard presidential candidates that accelerate the collapse of the US economy and its position on the world stage.
>>2602961>commited to platforming genuine retard presidential candidatesthe system does that fine on its own
>>2602961You already have trump uygha what more can the posadist give you
>>2602962No you see the current retards are surrounded by people who understand the system and are desperately trying to save it. We need retards who don't even understand what their advisors are telling them.
>70% of Americans appose a war with venezeula.
That's even more than during Vietnam. Not that the government actually cares.
your rich leaders grow richer while you die in the swamp, GI
>>2602881it's okay, i did watch it before and that's exactly what it was.
Giving a million troops a cash payment is akin to giving marines infinite breakfast before rushing the beaches of peleliu
>>2602939you WILL read marx, kautsky, lenin, bukharin, luxembourg, and you'll enjoy it
millions must read
millions must labubu
Americans are still sleeping?
>>2603041should be about to get up and go to work
>>2603063Try to piss in your boss's coffee if you can please.
>>2603064Critical support to the eradication of the various left and right deviations known collectively as the 'American Left'
>>2602741The ego and it's own is fun and new
Plus the first 4 chapters of society of the spectacle (rest were mid).
If you want more ideas you can go to the booru and look up book infographics
>>2602961How do you get more retarded than Trump though? Kanye?
it is starting to feel to me like america is rapidly becoming a nation of people who simply cannot correctly identify what is real and what is the spectacle. forgive me for seeming like a newfag, but recent experiences have been oddly chilling in the way people speak about reality. they have a personal narrative in their mind with little basis in reality and are totally unable to even see other possibilities. it didn't seem this bad even just a few years ago, i think trump's insanity is now the norm.
>>2602210>Constitution clearly says he cant>psychophant pedofile zionist lawyer writes a book about how its complicatedI thought he was going kill himself after mandani won?
>>2603106>>2603109So you work a night shift huh?
>>2603105>it is starting to feel to me like america is rapidly becoming a nation of people who simply cannot correctly identify what is real and what is the spectacleYou are like 40 years late.
>>2603115Nah i kinda just woke up a job where i would have to wake up early and now i do weather i want it or not
>>2603074>im so left wing i want the fbi to arrest everyone who isnt a right wingerVery telling
>>2603123Wouldn't you like to know, yankee boy
>>2603125We either way your not any part of the fewer but better,
The american left does have gaps in understanding,
But instead explaining or changing or doing anything you passively hope for the fbi to throw peoples opinions you dont like in camps. While you pretned to be a leftist
And if you are felix its beating a dead horse at this point but you are a hypocritial clown
honkoid status?
>>2603064Communist party is an illegal organisation.
>>2602368Liberals being based, as usual.
>>2603131Always melodramatic, the yank
>>2602368Well, no different from religious people praying
>>2603135So the frog costume at first was funny because of that one part of the video where the riot cops are all backing away from a frog, but then the portlandians overdid it
>>2603131Communist party is an illegal organization. It is illegal. Illegal
>>2603140Felix is from Portland, right?
>>2603141I guess pinochet and suharto were great for thejr countries movement
>>2603143Will thats where lives right now (the best professional revolutionaries, have random people online knowing what city they live)
The great baseball legend and jokester Yogi Berra once quipped that a restaurant had become so crowded that nobody goes there anymore. Here’s a version for today: young people in America have such dismal economic prospects that they spend more money than ever.
A Reddit thread appeared recently in which a man posed the question of where kids in America are getting the money to live a DoorDash lifestyle. DoorDash is one of several smartphone apps in the US that deliver restaurant meals to your door for a steep premium. The thread went viral but was subsequently deleted for reasons that are unclear to me, though many screenshots exist.
The post was from a 44-year-old man with no kids: “[I] own and operate a fast casual restaurant with four locations. I’m intimately familiar with the insane amount of money it costs to have food to your front door.
At my own restaurant; a $16 poke bowl, delivered, with tip is gonna run you close to $30. For someone making six figures? Sure, have at it. But trust me when I tell you, almost every high school aged kid these days seems to use DoorDash multiple times a week.”This thread got ping-ponged around on X and one user jumped in with an explanation that caught my eye.
“They’re behaving like people living in a post-middle-class economy…where ownership is unattainable, savings are pointless, buying a home is impossible, and upward mobility is gone. So what happens? They shift to a present-maximization mindset. If the future is unaffordable anyway, why not buy the burrito now? Younger people are not reckless. They are rational inside a broken incentive system.”Luke Gromen, one of today’s most incisive financial analysts, chimed in:
“Watch the movie ‘Cabaret’ – the youth in Weimar Germany behaved similarly.”For most of the post-war period, saving money made sense. A young person or family would convert savings into a down payment and pay it off gradually thanks to a stable and reliable job. There was a direct connection between the ability to save and prospects for future prosperity. The value of money was proportional to the middle-class goodies that one sought. This rewarded discipline and delayed gratification, and it also attested to people’s optimistic view of the prospects for stability.
This world is shattered and broken. For starters, home ownership is an ever receding mirage for many. Bankrate recently released a report claiming that the average American household has been priced out of 75% of the housing market.
The homeownership rate for households under the age of 35 fell again last year, while the share of first-time buyers of all ages has plummeted to a historic low of 21-24%, well below the historical average of 40%.
Even Charles Schwab published a piece advising Gen Zers how to avoid
“doom spending,” defining it as “responding to a poor outlook on the future of your finances or the planet we live on by saying, ‘What’s the point of saving for the future?’”
Financial analyst Demetri Kofinas coined the term “financial nihilism,” to describe how individuals who, having lost faith in the real value of money and in the traditional ways of earning it, turn to various high-risk behaviors. The old trades of gambling and prostitution return in new guises: reckless Crypto speculation, betting on the outcome of real-world events via Kalshi, and, of course, OnlyFans.
What this points to is a disconnect between the wealth that can be generated by earning hourly wages, working the gig economy, or relying on sporadic Venmo transfer from family members, and what can be generated by holding assets – such as the real estate that nobody can afford. These two parallel tracks are diverging more and more as the real economy diverges from the financialized paper economy. We still benchmark everything to the dollar. However, because the dollar as a store of value is being debauched faster than an ordinary person can earn dollars through labor, the path to success lies in asset ownership and not in simply in earning marginally more dollars.
In the current American economy, it is asset ownership that matters (or a very high wage in an industry in the business of asset ownership). Accordingly, Gen Zers correctly identify $30 as not being worth much more than a poke bowl.
For
a good comparison, in 17th century England, historians estimate that beer and ale could account for as much as 10-25% of a laborer’s cash outlays. This wasn’t because England was populated by inveterate drunks or fantastically irresponsible people, but because there was no point in saving the marginal unit of money in a rigid, hierarchical system in which the barriers to true social advancement were too high. DoorDash culture is the digital version of that.[…]
To take the analysis a step further, think of
the US economy as not just a post-middle-class economy but a post-growth economy. Let’s run a simple comparison of two different eras.The 1960s were a time of growth driven by manufacturing, industrial innovation, infrastructure, and rising productivity;
GDP gains largely reflected the expansion of real-world economic activity; markets functioned without hand-holding by central banks; debt levels were manageable; high interest rates rewarded saving. Housing was affordable for working families.The 2020s are a time of growth driven primarily by financial services, asset inflation, and debt-fueled consumption, with government spending and central bank liquidity the primary engines rather than real productivity gains; central banks engage in all manner of gimmicks to prop up a system that no longer self-corrects. Asset prices are inflated; housing is unaffordable, while real wages are declining.These days, there just isn’t much growth, and whatever there is has to be squeezed with great exertion as if out of an empty toothpaste tube. And it takes a whole lot of debt to even attempt the squeeze. The US economy managed to expand at a clip of 2.4% in 2024 – hardly an impressive figure – but it did so with deficit spending reaching a staggering $1.8 trillion and by vastly understating systemic inflation.
It also bears keeping in mind that the 2.4% figure is already distorted because GDP makes no distinction between organic growth and the growth created by debt-fueled consumption.
[…]
The US is nowhere near hyperinflation. But DoorDash culture points to the psychological pre-conditions of a world that can quickly turn very inflationary. Spending money because saving it is pointless is a self-fulfilling prophecy. But Weimar was more than wheelbarrows of devalued money: it was an era drenched in a deep cynicism and foreboding, and nihilism (financial or otherwise) was rampant.This brings us to the sudden strangeness of the moment. Underneath the glittering digital panacea of food delivery apps and instant friction-less tap-to-pay everything, and despite the familiar signposts of American life, lies an economic system now operating under very different premises.
https://swentr.site/news/629629-doordash-culture-economic-decline/A spectre haunting /usapol/ — the spectre of the real iron felix. All the powers of old /usapol/ have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Mods and Jannies, CPUSAnon and Houdini, American dickriders and fed glowies.
>>2603145I thought only rich white people lived in Portland. Curious.
>>2603150the spectre is real, alright. I got called Iron Felix twice. or Evan, for accuracy.
>>2603148>le technofeudalismDid i guess right?
>>2603148people with very little money will not save money. they will spend it right away. that no so mysterious.
I remember reading an economic book about the topic, covering various hypothesis and the main problem about this rationale is that accentuates inequality much faster.
also, people with little chances to produce savings see the inflation, too.
if the system is designed to disincentivize savings, you'll have that.
it's not rocket sciences.
>>2603160>people with very little money will not save money. they will spend it right away.yeah unlike rich people who invest their money very wisely into things like ai training and cryptocurrency
>>2603167>>2603167Mayo and sirracha is good also
>>2603160If the millions of disenfranchised and futureless American proles just cut down the consumption of one (1) poke bowl per month and spent that $20 to fund the PSL, in 5 years the third largest party running for office would be communist.
Again, just $20 a month, -1 poke bowl/kfc bucket per month for actual revolutionary potential within years.
Now tell me that the treatler memes are wrong headed.
>>2603148when pedophilia is finally legalized you'll see boomers complaining about how kids these days are total sluts
>>2603172These people dont knkw psl exists, what it does. What a class system is why it affects them, why they shouldnt beleive the propaganda that it impossible to change.
They dont know becauee no one has reached them
Because we havent done a good enough job
>>2603167there should be a /treat/ general where all burgers and euroids from leftypol share their wisdom so the rest of the userbase can know what they should be demanding from their local social democrats
>>2603172You are absolutely correct
So war with Venezuela or nah?
>>2603199I would say 85% chance.
>>2603199It depends on whether Felix finally blows up the ammunition factory near him or not.
>>2603165things like you mention, or things like the stock market being the recipient of wealth transfer is not new. and because of that, most people who 'invest their money', 'into things like ai training and cryptocurrency' don't see their savings directly devalued, unless such market collapses because it's artificially inflated (good job, accountants) or simply fades out (cases like blockbuster, ie).
not wisely, more like shark thinking.
it'd be best if the US government had the balls to bring down those 'markets', and bring real productive-based savings. but no capitalist government will have the balls to kill that manifestation of capitalism.
>>2603172well, you'd have to convince them first: treats or PSL.
>>2603199Special military operation
>>2603148a 16 dollar poke bowl is probably more expensive than door dashed tacobell
Have you guys forgotten that Trump was just told openly on live television he can run again.
>>2603151they the Engels of out time.
"the constitution is for nerds"
- constitutionalists
Also, have you guys forgotten that Zelensky just said openly on live television that if Trump dies Ukraine can finally into NATO?
>>2602978didn't the foot soldiers in iraq get like 6 figures, or am i mistaken? donald dangles piss poor checks all the damn time
>>2603172It's true! I cut down on treats and now I'm bourgoeis. I was able to put my savings in stocks. If we all did this at once we would all own the means of production and America would be Actually Existing Bourgeois Socialism.
>>2603184i swear the average intelligence of people posting here is really bad
>>2603228whatever justifies you being a treatler
>treatlers in 1960s
2nd house fancy car,
>treatlers in 1980s
Expensive japanese electronics
>treatlers in the 2000s
Tourism, electronics, b
>2020s treatlers
Fast causal restaurant food, healthcare
> 2040s treatlers
Clean water
>>2603235>Tourism, electronics, blooks like you left this one unfinished
critical support for quakers (idealistic utopian socialist draft dodgers) but not JWs (reactionary patriarchal cult members)
>>2603241bussy is not a treat its revolutionary praxis
Anyone who says "bussy" unironically is a pedo
>>2603240I don't want a lot for Treatmas
There is just one thing I neeeeeeeed
I don't care about the Treatlers underneath the Treatmas treeeeeeeeeee
I want a boot boy's wife, to bang
while he gets shot up by Deng
Make my wish come truuuuuuuuue
All I want for Treatmas is you, yeah
>>2603254
Mods, permaban him for idpol
shirtussy
>>2603257
Right here! Ban him for idpol
Moralism is used in a completely arbitrary manner here. It is at its most obnoxious when protectedspecies fags defend their degenerate protectedspecies obsession.
>>2603254
>chagosposter is a homophobic piece of shit
as is expected of chauvinists!
>>2603245what if someone
grabs 'em by the bussy?
>>2603264Funny that you assumed i was targeting homosexuals. I was in fact targeting those who have an unhealthy obsession with little anime girls. I dare not even type the four letter word, it summons a ban instantly.
>>2603266anime girls have bussies?
>>2603172tf is a poke bowl and who spends 20 dollars on one meal lol
>>2603270I assume they were doing fake African American English and saying pork bowl
>>2603270Young Americans on minimum wage, apparently.
this is an erik satie general debussy is middle class music
>>2603270The ́most oppressed 'proles' in history do, duh.
>>2603274look man, i can't make a bussygrabber joke with erik satie's name the way I can with debussy, what do you want
>>2603270American leftoids who simultaneously want us to believe that they're the REAL victims of imperialism as they actively benefit from Congolese child slaves dying on their behalf. Like Sabocat, for example
>>2603275look big guy, free chagos. i love you. we are not the most oppressed proles in histroy. i don't think even the most deranged of us argue that…. unless they were provoked into trolling or something lol….
>>2603278I am a huge victim of imperialism because there's not enough single horny military wives. the more boot boys get deployed the more military wives i get to bang. total babykiller deployment to venezuela now!!! i demand my treats!!!!
American working class IS the most exploited one, or at the very least one of the most exploited.
>>2603280Forget my islanders. Forget the proles. I am concerned about how one cannot attack the special caste of leftypollers who have an unhealthy obsession with little anime girls without being hounded, pestered, and instabanned.
That is the primary struggle.
>>2603172Money is how we win.
t valdinmr lemon
most ameriguns own a house i do not own a house
>>2603283imageboards gonna imageboard. i think it's gross too. I just ignore it and always clear my cache after being on this website
>2603282
*yawn*
who needs to own a house when you can bone a spouse while her husband is deployed to a place I can't even point to on the map?
>>2603292you are forgiven
2 years labor camp though
>>2603282exploited in the Marxist sense of value production, but people don't only focus on that. People also think about things like whether you're having your schools and hospitals bombed. That's a little more visceral than surplus value.
>>2603293He may go down the Xi path and save America's soul.
Lard Jinping.
>>2603296Communism with obese characteristics
>>2603296Will i be sent down to appalachia?
>>2603295>>2603282American communists say these simultaneously:
>we are most exploited value production-wise>we have offshored 90% of our productionthe latter is true, the former isn't
>>2603300fun fact, Appalachian mountains are geologically one of the oldest mountain ranges on earth, which is why it's so smooth and weathered, compared to the relatively new Himalayans.
is there a reason why revcoms are growing so rapidly?
>>2603302look I was gonna dispute that too but I thought it made more sense to focus on the ongoing brutality of war and genocide, since that is a simpler point to make than making a long winded economic argument. But yes that is a good point you make as well.
>>2603303Musty ass impotent Appalachua vs Young Vigorous Throbbing Himalaya
>>2603302technically not mutually exclusive since the outsourcing de-proletarianized most of america, but who remains proletarian (in the sense of commodity production) is still highly exploited. But the broader point is that being locked in Gaza or Fallujah and bombed with explosive ammunition is a way worse fate than being exploited for surplsu value. Hot take I know.
>>2603307Language, young man.
>>2603305aren't those the avakian guys? I think some burgers just like joining cults tbh. If its that one trot group your guess is good as mine.
>>2603295The appeance that violence takes is irrelevant. American working class suffers equal if not more violence. Just because violence isnt concenrated in space and time and isnt explosive doesnt mean it isnt there
>>2603311No, those guys are dead. I mean the trotskyists.
>>2603295Atrocity propaganda for opportunism is what you are doing, thoughbeit
>>2603311There was a Trot group (IMT I think?) that recently adopted the RCP name since the BA group is mostly defuct.
>>2603313Yeah. My Sudanese friends were shocked by the violence subjected on American proles. They immediately thanked their stars for the relatively peaceful and comfortable situation in Sudan.
>>2603317i don't really understand why you say that, but you're allowed to feel that way
new thread
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>>2603312>>2603308>but who remains proletarian (in the sense of commodity production) is still highly exploited.So what % of American society is a value producing proletarian, in your opinion? Because in terms of absolute mass of value and therefore surplus value production the US is dwarfed by Latam, Asia, Africa.
Plus, whatever that % is according to you, think about how much surplus value needs to be captured from the rest of the world to sustain the rest in the USA.
So no, my friend, boo hoo, you are not the most exploited in a global context.
>>2603241Bussy isn't a treat it's a right and necessity.
>>2603308>But the broader point is that being locked in Gaza or Fallujah and bombed with explosive ammunition is a way worse fate than being exploited for surplsu value.This oppression olympics helps nobody. Taken to its final conclusion it leaves us with child amputees in Gaza and Congolese cobalt miners as the sole revolutionary subjects.
>>2603323>So what % of American society is a value producing proletarian, in your opinion? The vast majority. You don't need to produce physical goods to produce surplus value.
>>2603300Alaska is the U.S equivalent of Siberia.
>>2603167We call that fry sauce in Utah. More popular than ketchup.
>>2603364But im getting sent down as in intellectual to learn from the peasants
>>2603462i did not oppose reparations you dumbo
i know that none of them are serious about any of this, including Retard-in-Chief Malema, and that they are more than happy to eat the flesh of the worker alongside the Du Toit and Le Roux
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