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why do trump&co. keep humiliating delcy and the new government to every press outlet? wouldn't it be better to restrain themselves a bit instead of stating out loud that she's a puppet and their bitch?
>>2634766Not to be a martyanov poster, but I think it's pretty obvious. They are insecure about their military supremacy over venezuela so they instinctually do this shit. That's the problem with "shock and awe", eventually it wears down. The interest for this is lower than for noriega lol.
>>2634861are they? why? they were able to shutdown all there defenses with EMPs and just rolled in unopposed.
>>2634766what i don't understand is why delcy is willing to be the steward for shock therapy neoliberal austerity in her country.
>>2634792DPRK is real source of inspiration and motivation; a star reminding us of the strength and resilience of the
proletarian dictatorship,
economic planning,
Stalinized, genuine Marxism-Leninism adapted to
any countries conditions!
Not infiltrated and prostituted like Laos and Vietnam, because the DPRK did not blindly bow to the capitulationist theses of the Chinese rightists.
Not a disarmed Khrushchevite "satellite"; the DPRK have a diversified economy and indigenous nuclear arms!!
STUDY THE POLITICAL ECONOMY OF THE DPRK!
<North Korea: 80 Years in 80 Minutes | 1945 - 2025 | DPRK Archive Footage Documentaryhttps://youtu.be/Qwju-jkU23Y
<천리마 달린다 - Chollima On The Wing (English Lyrics):https://youtu.be/5AiNhIVj4hE >>2634966well i mean trump has threatened to kill her and/or seize whatever money she has stored in qatar and turkey
>good job for all "anti-imperialists" storing their money in us subsidiaries >>2634966>why delcy is willing to be the steward for shock therapy neoliberal austerity in her country.Money, it's latin america
>>2634966>they were able to shutdown all there defenses with EMPs and just rolled in unopposed.none of that is enough to do actual regime change
>>2634966It's one of the most convenient regime changes America has ever pulled off: the existing regime dies and respawns as a new regime in the same human bodies, only with complete subjugation to the US, and the population is none the wiser.
The gamble of Delcy and her ilk is that they just have to wait out Trump, but that's a misconception that this is some personal whim of Trump's as opposed to an institutional move.
>>2635088>and the population is none the wiser.unless they read any news the past week
>>2635088>The gamble of Delcy and her ilk is that they just have to wait out Trump, idk i feel democrats are a lot more incompetent. i really doubt they woud've pulled something like this.
it may be too late for delcy and venezuela but maybe sheinbaum and lula can keep stringing trump along until the next american elections.
Imagine waking up tomorrow and Zelensky has suddenly stopped attacking Russia and his only question is which bed Russia wants to use for bending him over. That's what the US has pulled off.
>>2635104Nah, I mean, they're pinning their hopes on the Dems rolling back Trump's economic bullying. They won't.
Democrats and five Republicans voted 52-47 to advance the war powers resolution, setting up a later vote on final passage. The measure is unlikely to become law because it would need to pass the House and be signed by Trump. Still, the vote signaled unease among some Republicans after U.S. forces seized Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro in a surprise nighttime raid.
The Republicans were Josh Hawley of Missouri, Susan Collins of Alaska, Todd Young of Indiana, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Rand Paul of Kentucky.
https://www.newsweek.com/senate-advances-venezuela-war-powers-resolution-bipartisan-support-11330244?utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_mainUpdate
>US Spy Chief Gabbard Excluded From Maduro Plan Over Past ViewsThe White House excluded Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard from months of planning to oust Nicolas Maduro because her previous opposition to military action in Venezuela cast doubt on her willingness to support the operation, people familiar with the matter said.
The move to cut Gabbard out of the meetings was so well-known that some White House aides joked that the acronym of her title, DNI, stood for “Do Not Invite,” according to three of the people. They asked not to be identified discussing private conversations. A White House official denied there was any such joke.
As a Democratic congresswoman in 2019, Gabbard said the US needs to “stay out” of Venezuela, and as recently as last month she railed against “warmongers” pushing the US into conflict.
The exclusion was the latest evidence of long-running tension over Gabbard’s role in the Donald Trump administration, and has underscored how the president’s decision to oust Maduro — despite campaigning against starting new wars — has widened fissures not only among his MAGA supporters but also within his team.
Asked for comment, White House Communications Director Steven Cheung said Trump “has full confidence in DNI Gabbard and she’s doing a fantastic job.
A senior intelligence official pushed back against the characterization that Gabbard had been excluded, saying she provided intelligence that helped the overall mission, even if it was less operational and more analytical. An ODNI spokeswoman referred Bloomberg to a social media post Gabbard wrote Tuesday lauding servicemembers for the operation’s “flawless execution” of the move to capture Maduro.
“President Trump promised the American people he would secure our borders, confront narcoterrorism, dangerous drug cartels, and drug traffickers,” she wrote. The post broke a days-long silence after other top national security officials cheered the operation in press conferences, TV interviews and on social media.
While Gabbard’s role isn’t operational, her exclusion from the planning — which picked up in late summer — is unorthodox, according to several former officials who worked in both Democratic and Republican administrations. As director of national intelligence, Gabbard is meant to be Trump’s principal intelligence adviser overseeing the US’s 18 intelligence agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency.
Photos disseminated by the White House after the Maduro operation show Trump and several close aides including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe and Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller huddled in a makeshift war room watching the events unfolding in real time. Gabbard wasn’t among them.
It’s “highly unusual for the DNI not to be involved in any of these operations, especially something like Venezuela,” said Cedric Leighton, a retired US Air Force intelligence colonel. “The visuals from that picture are a perfect description of what’s going on to Tulsi Gabbard at this point.”
And it highlights the Trump team’s skepticism of the DNI role. Some have argued that the job, created after the 9/11 attacks to better coordinate the country’s many intelligence agencies, should be abolished. At the same time, the White House and Trump in particular have exhibited occasional unease with her since she became the top US spy.
Marc Gustafson, director of analysis at Eurasia Group and a former head of the White House Situation Room, said it wasn’t unprecedented for directors to be left out of such planning. Past presidents — including Barack Obama, Joe Biden and even Trump in his first term — would sometimes lean on either the CIA director or the DNI for the planning of such an event, “then the other would be kind of left out temporarily,” he said.
Gabbard still has been regularly briefing the president and frequently attends meetings in the Oval Office, the senior intelligence official said. The official said it was unfair to focus on Gabbard’s past views, given other top Trump deputies — including Vice President JD Vance — also have previously voiced disagreement on policy or even slammed Trump directly.
Under Trump, Gabbard has given her role a more political focus. She’s prioritized declassifying documents on topics important to Trump’s base — including President John F. Kennedy’s assassination and Russia’s meddling in US elections — and rooting out what she and the president have said was the Deep State lurking in the intelligence community.
officer in the Army Reserve, has been a vocal opponent of US engagement in enduring regime-change wars, including in her current role.
In the 2019 social media post, Gabbard said of Venezuela that “we don’t want other countries to choose our leaders — so we have to stop trying to choose theirs.”
“When we look throughout history, every time the United States goes into another country and topples a dictator or topples a government, the outcome has been disastrous for the people in these countries,” she said on Fox News in May of that year.
Gabbard, who ran for president in 2020, said in a speech in late October that “for decades, our foreign policy has been trapped in a counterproductive and endless cycle of regime change or nation-building.”
“The old Washington way of thinking is something we hope is in the rear-view mirror,” she said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-08/us-spy-chief-gabbard-excluded-from-maduro-plan-over-past-views >>2635088>only with complete subjugation to the USSource?
>>2635182do any of these polls that get posted even have a sample size and time range that significant. It seems like its just calling up about a 1000 old people for roughly a week and then they act like this is a representative of millions of people. the Axios graph isn't even the worst example of this compared to the random twitter accounts posting numbers without any source or methodology attached to them.
Venezuela will release a “significant number” of Venezuelans and foreigners imprisoned in the country, the head of Venezuela’s national assembly said Thursday.
Jorge Rodríguez, brother of acting President Delcy Rodríguez, did not specify who would be released or give an exact number.
Despite mass detentions following the tumultuous 2024 election, Venezuela’s government maintains it doesn’t keep political prisoners.
The U.S. government and the country’s opposition have demanded the release of opposition figures and critics.
“Consider this gesture by the Bolivarian government, which is broadly intended to seek peace,” Rodríguez said in an announcement publicized over TV.
One of the five Republicans who voted to advance the war powers resolution, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said the issue was no longer “hypothetical” for some lawmakers after the intervention in Venezuela.
“It’s interesting to see that more people, at least on my side, now are interested in who has the war prerogative, who has the prerogative to initiate or declare war,” he told reporters after the vote.
Asked whether the vote sends a message to the White House, Paul said he was happy that Maduro is no longer In power.
“But on the other hand,” he said, “to me, the worry, it isn’t always just about the immediate president. It’s about who the next president is and the next president and that if you can accuse someone of a crime anywhere in the world and then remove them without a vote of Congress, what it might lead to.”
>>2635182told people here americattle would do a 180 and start supporting maduro's kidnapping and intervention in venezuela after none of their goons got smoked just like it happened with the strikes in iran
>>2635238Liberalize and sell out to the West but pass it off as playing 5D chess and carrying on Chavez's legacy.
>>2635306Where is MTG ,the goat anti-imperialist?
>>2635308>pass it off as playing 5D chessDid Deng openly do that?
>>2635198I only see Reps tho
>>2635088>the most convenient regime changesEvery old guard neo-con from Elliot Abrams to Bill Kristol are saying Trump fucked it up
>>2635433Theyre only saying that because he didnt go far eough
>>2635433thats probably because people like eliot abrams had links to the machado/guaido opposition circles and were hoping to make money on deals and contracts, and they got cut out
>>2635433this whole thing has been clown show
>>2635517Materialist explanation please
>>2634977it's fucking weird to talk shit about China while praising the DPRK, since it is China's assistance in the Korean war, and China's dedication to keeping the DPRK alive despite US sanctions that is the reason we have to thank for the DPRK still being here. I am glad for DPRK and PRC, and they are glad for one another.
>>2635522>We have no idea what the government there will look likeJust read the article, idiot. Trump didn't do shit.
>>2635443Amerikkka wanted Machado in power but they realized there is no real opposition inside Venezuela because a lot of them left the country, the Delcy option was a compromise, the operation was a flop. That shit they are saying about Trump throwing Machudo under the bus because of the nobel prize is a psyop for the libtards.
>>2635439Amerikkka is scared of boots on the ground full blown invasion.
>>2635182All China/Russia had to do was sink ONE(1) aircraft carrier lel
We could be skipping woke fascism and speedrunning getting the NATO universal draft already.
>>2635439The way our progressive media (EU) tries to triangulate between regime change being good,Trump being bad and inferring agreement by Delcy Rodriguez to 100% of whatever Trump tweeted that day is uncannily like the facr they did for Gaza and Hamas "negotiations".
I'm sure there is plenty of action going on, but they have settled on fiction to sell the public in the meantime. And when that doesn't work, it's the culture war slop firehose to keep attention. IDK man, it looks ridiculous, but it feels grim. It's like there is not the barest hint of fear for PR or obtaining consent.
>>263518235% after an insane wave of propaganda is not that much tbh, hardcore republicans have no principles and basically just stick to party line
>>2635522Why should oil companies want even more supply of oil? The prices need to be kept high.
>>2635806in fact, dems could run a foreign policy easy win there.
>>2635865>The prices need to be kept highand help Russias war machine? are you crazy?
>>2635880Trump is considering paying oil companies to pump the oil
So as a 1st world trealterite it is in my interest for the tax dollars in my country to be used to invade other countries for resources that billionaies will be paid to extract with my classes taxes, to then sell while they make the profits
>>2635890Trump will invest US money in infrastructure in a foreign country that has already gone through one expropriation and that's basically hard as hell to perform a ground invasion proper? What could go wrong here
Burgers will allow larpfags to keep their socdem regime while it opens wide for Chevron.
That's funny, another neoliberal ESL regime that is in bed with western imperialism.
>>2635880So, it's a nothingburger after all
the funny part is that if venezuela end up not changing gov and simply selling their oil to the US and getting the sanctions lifted, its a win for them while trump can pretend to have won and stolen their oil which will satisfy his dumbfuck base
>>2636095funniest outcome by far and might actually happen, real first as tragedy second as farce hours
>>2636020>>2636015>>2636028>>2635880>Bessent: we are relaxing some sanctions on Venezuela.——
In other news:
from:
>>2636178Senate approved a motion to discuss power limitations on PUTUS and war with Venezuela: the document would not authorize any military action on Venezuela without congress authorization.
https://www.dailynews.com/2026/01/08/senate-war-powers-resolution/>Trump reacted to their votes by saying on social media that they “should never be elected to office again” and that the vote “greatly hampers American Self Defense and National Security.”
>Democrats had failed to pass several such resolutions in the months that Trump escalated his campaign against Venezuela. But lawmakers argued that now that Trump has captured Maduro and set his sights to other conquests such as Greenland, the vote presents Congress with an opportunity.
>“This wasn’t just a procedural vote. It’s a clear rejection of the idea that one person can unilaterally send American sons and daughters into harm’s way without Congress, without debate,” said Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York.trump, obviously, reacted very angrily, for obvious reasons:
>Trump reacted to their votes by saying on social media that they “should never be elected to office again” and that the vote “greatly hampers American Self Defense and National Security.” >>2636186>senate approved.Yeah literally a nothingburger, we're gonna enter 2030 with Dems in the white house, senate and congress, and war with Russia as well as all the woke stuff back on the table.
nothing ever happens.
>>2636095i still cant believe trump tweeted "i bought oil at market price" and people cheered, like what, what an insane moment, the base just wants to see violence abroad and whatever conclusion it reaches is fine
>>2636236republican party civil war cheers me up, nonetheless.
>>2636028>Maduro still aliveEh, that's not exactly a consolation when his life is in their hands. We gotta hope some radlib gets on the jury and wants to make life unpleasant for Trump.
>regime is still the sameQuestion is whether it will do everything he wants with the oil and China/Russia ties.
>oil companies are tired of Trump being unstableYep. In other economic news, he might be getting his tariffs shot down in the American Supreme Court tomorrow DC time. Lots of predictions for a 7-2 ruling against the tariffs. This would contribute to the general sense of fatigue over any of his economic moves.
>it's fucking heavy sour crude, so you need a specialized refinery to process it profitably, anywayYep.
>>2635517>>2635880kek, if Big Oil isn't interested, that suggests it's not about the oil, and yet we know it is. How do we harmonize this? I think I know how: some dumbasses in the Trump admin, maybe Trump himself, did it for the oil but didn't bother actually consulting with Big Oil to see the feasibility. In his boomer brain, he probably remembers that Iraq was about the oil, and he probably knows that Venezuela has something to do with oil, and he simply made a dangerous assumption.
>>2636028The regime that betrayed Maduro and delivered him to the US on a silver plate is still in place? Why would that be a good thing?
>>2636551is it a jury trial?
>>2636583if maduro bad then why giving him away in order to get rid off sanctions and invasion isnt good?
>>2636567I could also see the more cynical realist elements and pentagon bureaucracy also going along with it since it aligns with there general goal of friendshoring with the Monroe Doctrine.
>>2636594the guy is just a glowie wrecker, there is no indication there was any betrayal he just spam anything he can imagine against venezuela
>>2634977Calm down, Jason
>>2636635Yeah dude, a fucking Delta Force squad,(not the airforce carpet bombing the country, not the Marines steamrolling their defenses, not the Army with thousands of Abrams, but a fucking Delta Force operative) kidnapped the leader of a country that faced military aggression for months and it all happened in a matter of hours
Maybe you think this level of incompetence in the enforcement of national sovereignety and military defense s somewhat normal, but that's because you are beyond fucking stupid.
>>2636567It sounds like trump just thought stealing the oil would be good,
Maybe the oil is a long game, like in later 21st century when other oil reserves are gone Venezuelas oil will be important
>>2635519That's basically how I feel about modern history after the fall of the USSR. Stalin's "blackest reaction" prediction should be corrected to "clowniest reaction."
>>2636644stronger than ever
>>2635890The important thing is that you found a way to be the victim again in the current situation.
>>2636649Just pointed out that its not in my interests
>>2635890it serves to preserve the USAs privileged financial status in the world of which you do benefit even now. no i don't care if how high your rent is.
>>2636585It's my understanding that it's a jury trial. Not a Yank and not a lawyer and hardly even legally literate, tho.
This Venezuela op is starting to look like everything Trump touches: starts off with a spectacle, then the pesky details start mattering. Just like how he's a great showman on the campaign trail but starts tripping over his own feet in office.
>>2636654But you can benefit from the US being the financial superpower, tou can buu stonms
>>2636663Seems like it's a combination of riling his increasingly demoralized base and trying to shift away from internal crises which are building up fast. He has until November and is trying to hurry up the schedule but inevitably he's going to become stuck in like 10 stupid quagmires and then die/become irrelevant
>>2636704Perhaps it wasn’t Delcy. Didn’t she arrest the Venezuelan counterintelligence chief recently?
>>2636641By then all grids of developed countries(maybe not petromerica) will be running on green energy and vehicles will use either batteries or hydrogen
Ownership of Venezuela status?
>>2636842An article in the biggest MSM neolib imperialist newspaper here, which is basically an MI6 mouthpiece, today also claims there was a rat who helped the burgers. They try to low-key blame Rodriguez in the article as well, so i doubt it's her, as the neolib imperialists are butthurt about their own puppet Machado getting sidelined by Trump.
>>2636846Really shows what I've been thinking all along. And that right wingers are motivated by endorphins and dopamine. They're like addicts
>>2636966all the racism, moral outrage, hate etc… is an addiction. like being addicted to CIA crack cocaine.
Bolivarian revolution status update?
>>2637178
So you want them to go to war with the US?
>>2637186So you accept they bent the knee and betrayed Maduro?
>>2637178
>your country gets tactically combed
so that's what they meant when they said trump was a pedophile groomer!
>>2637189So you are pro-Maduro now?
>>2637193Hes pro-ᴉuᴉlossnW.
>>2637178
>And yet PDVSA has already confirmed they will sell Oil to the US
you're really the dumbest fucker (jk I know you're just a glowie doing its job)
venezuela was always happy to sell its oil to the us, the only reason they didnt and sold to china in the first place was because the US sanctioned them, preventing them from doing so…
if they sell their oil to the US and fund their social programs with it and keep chavism, they won
>>2637193Explain how am I being pro-Maduro by pointing out his cabinet betrayed him.
>>2637198You are projecting so much its not even funny anymore.
>>2637194Are you implying Maduro is a fascists just like ᴉuᴉlossnW? Because you'd be correct.
>>2637200Why do you care if they betrayed him if Maduro was le bad?
>Trump: We will sell Venezuelean oil to US refineries, the money will be controlled by the US and it will de deposited in US bank accounts
This never happened before and PDVSA pretty much confirmed this will be the case. Point out a preiod of the Chavez or Maduro regime where they states they would allow such a one-sided trade to happen.
Tou won't, saying that the current control of Venezuela oil the US has is the same as when Chavez or Maduro were in power is incredibly ignorant.
>>2637205Are you stupid? Legit question
You anti-communist global south reactionaries or as you call yourselves, multipolarista, anti-imperialists or whatever bullshit term you like to hide behind swear that the Maduro regime and the Venezuelean government was strictly opposed to the US, that they had national sovereignety and that they entire US campaign against him was done qithout any betrayal on part of the army or other levels of government. Yet the evidence shows the contrary. Evidence shows that the army did not oppose the US forces and that PDVSA will let Americans take control over their oil.
>>2637198>if they sell their oil to the US and fund their social programs with it and keep chavism, they wonCorrect.
>>2637209>>Trump: We will<This never happened beforeYou are talking about an ongoing process where things are not yet clear as something that "already happened", all while taking the words of the US goverment at face value (lol). You will have to step up your bait game if you want to keep farming (You)s.
>>2637215>You are talking about an ongoing process where things are not yet clear as something that "already happened",Correct, however, the evidence showa that PDVSA will comply with whatever the US demands, see
https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/mundo/2026/01/07/pdvsa-petrolera-de-venezuela-confirma-negociacion-para-vender-petroleo-a-eu/ >If a capitalist state sells their oil to mantain the capitlist state in place, they won
Kek
>>2637198yeah tbh america fucked this up so bad it turned into a semi-W for venezuela
>>2637178>>2637209> Point out a preiod of the Chavez or Maduro regime where they states they would allow such a one-sided trade to happen.Well, the article that you cited didn’t say trade would be one sided either.
> “This process is being carried out under similar schemes to those in place with international companies such as Chevron , and is based on a strictly commercial transaction, with criteria of legality, transparency and benefit for both parties,”>>2637213If you want to trick me into reading your slop in the future you will need to start changing flags or something.
>>2637213Watch as the revisionist bots/agents conveniently spam past this because of it being a paragraph or above, and not simply a word or a single sentence of convenient content of dubious integrity.
>>2637223You're saying false-flagging is that effective of a psyop tactic on you? Flags aren't exactly tripcodes.
>>2637220Correct, however:
A) the party stating that "Venezuela will sell their oil to us and the money will be controlled by the US and will de deposited in US banks" just bombed Venezuela and kidnapped the president
And
B) the party stating "We will keep the same economic model of exchange as we had before" allowed the US to kill innocent fishermen and allowed a Delta Force operative to kidnap Maduro in a matter of hours.
I understand you are too stupid or stubborn to understand the brosd aspect of the whole situation, but that's entirely your problem
>>2637223If you don't want to defend your position then so it be, I accept your concession.
>>2637222>>2637224Mods wont ban him so it will just keep happening. Blame them.
>>2637225Venezuela is a capitalist state, glad you finally accept that.
So much for muh AES drivel.
>>2637224>>2637229Hilarious that this is the third time you have attempted to engage in discourse against me and after miserably failing to do so you have resorted to
>le glowie>le mods don't ban himIf you are going to cry like little bitches whenever your delusions of Venezuela remotely being a socialist nation capable of fighting the US imperial desires are poppes like a balloon, why even engage in the first place?
>>2637219Sanctions? Lifted.
Imcompetent head of state? Removed.
Working class? Armed and hunting gusanos on motorcycles.
Machudo? Thrown under the bus.
Leftcoms? Dickriding american imperialism evendoe they can't even do a proper regime change in Venezuela (KWAB).
Yeah, I'm thinking Chavismo won.
I should've screencapped every time the "sports team" bourgcialists on here contracted short-term blindness every time a communist effortpost was posted in these generals to hyperfocus on convenient 1-sentence flag strawmen
I'd have a folder of a dozen or so posts at this point
>>2637233are you american? why arent you shooting or bombing their supply logistics, or even joining those liberals
>>2637236>Working class? Armed and hunting gusanos on motorcycles.This is the best part.
>>2637228> the party stating that "Venezuela will sell their oil to us and the money will be controlled by the US and will de deposited in US banks" Why would anyone believe Trump at this point?
> the party stating "We will keep the same economic model of exchange as we had before" allowed the US to kill innocent Yeah, but you also said they “pretty much confirmed” they were going along with Trump said.
> I understand you are too stupid or stubborn This is cope. You misrepresented the situation again and are now tying yourself into a logic pretzel.
>>2637240Remember anon, everyone against you is an american glowie.
>>2637242>You misrepresented the situatioI didn't post this
>>2637236 >>2637241>mfw they start extorting regular peopleOops! Anarkiddie illegalism backfires again!
>Why would anyone believe Trump at this point?
He bombed Venezuela and kidnapped Maduro
>but you also said they “pretty much confirmed” they were going along with Trump said.
They clearly didn't oppose Trump killing innocent fishermenz bombing their country or kidnapping Maduro in a matter of hours
>>2637249>please please please go to war against the US and get all venezuelans carpet bombed please!!!Won't happen, sorry.
>>2637243yup… everything is in fault of americans
>2002 failed coup>2005 sanctions of the US>2014 sanctions>2014 list of sponsors of terrorism/american threats>2017 european arms embargo and economic sanctions>2017 more sanctions>2018 recognizal of guaido>2019 UK asset seizure of venezuelan resources>2024 elections "fraud" sham and sancttions>2025 threats of invasion>2026 capture of maduroIt has been 24 years of genocide agaisnt venezuelanos waged by NATO, the US and their internal bourgeoise, and your fucking faggot ass is here decrying how "venezuela is bourgeois country", all of those actions are not responsability of venezuelans but deliberate massacres and crimes done by american and eurocrat imperialists.
>>2637259You are a imperialist, you are nothing but a nazi bastard, soon your ass is gonna join your other leftcom nazi convert buddy. Your only purpose is to defend genocide with dialetical sophistry and your only reason to be here is to troll, you advocate for israeli regime change by defending inaction agaisnt the US and EU capitalists and reactionaries
>>2637261>Waa waaCry me a river, opportunist.
>>2637249>Guy incapable of learning historyFunny how you post this with an Allende flag, he refused to arm the working class, so PSUV did in fact learn.
Is the working class in your country armed and hunting rightoids on the streets? If thats not the case you have much to learn from PSUV.
>>2637259millions of glowies must die
>>2637258all that shit and they still can't take PSUV out of power lol
why do leftcoms love yankee incompetence so much?
this glowposter must be paid per post lmao or maybe he's just angerey
>>2637301
This isn't the first time illegalism has happened, and it won't be the only time it degenerates into bourgeois mafias.
I am reporting you for false flagging btw.
>>2637306>please do not arm the working class!is this the power of leftcom with glowie characteristics? woah…
>>2637312Are you denying the necessity of the communist party and the vanguard?
Absolutely ahistorical take.
>>2637316Nah, stop coping. Any anmerikkkan should be shot
>>2637316i think venezuela will be ok for now, im more worried about cuba losing venezuelan oil
>>2637316>They would prefer to be able to trade with the US, it would be beneficial to them, but they can't because they disobeyed the Great Satanits actually crazy how few people understand this
>What will really tell us if Delcy sold out is if she suddenly becomes more hostile towards China and RussiaTBH I don't think Delcy is in any room to negotiate on who she can sell oil to anymore with america seizing ships so brazenly (will there even be buyers?) which will also probably mean being forced to stop selling to Cuba. too early to tell for sure though
>>2637323Would the US lifting the blockade on Cuba be a bad thing?
>>2637323your still one of us and fundamentally equal to your fellow burgers lol
>>2635342Depends of what you call letting the bourgeois climb within the party, replacing all internationalist policy ties for a liberal one, rolling out the red carpet for international capital domestically, join all the western imperialist international orgs which the US have veto power in and play along like a puppet, launching a Red Scare of your own that makes it illegal to be a literal communist, etc.
A lot of anons can't distinguish 'nominal' from 'de facto' so it's definitely not easy and takes some time, practice and reading (most don't have much free time, practical experience or suffer from partial illiteracy).
Where are "Xi's Dongfeng missiles" /leftypol/'s bourgcialist majority love to yap about so much?
>>2637321>Are you denying the necessity of the communist party and the vanguard?You mean your reading group that celebrates every regime change operation by the US (even flops like this lol) as a "leftcom W"? How many workers have you armed? How many reactionaries have you neutralized?
>>2637370The "Colectivos" that you claim are armes revolutionaries have arrested 14 journalists, I can't find anymore info on the subject other than the SNTP denouncing them.
Is this your "reactionary" suppression you keep yapping about?
>>2637397>muh ”journalists”lol
>>2636842>>2636953no. sacked. in fact the guy appeared last night close to Diosdado Cabello, name's Tabata.
Chavismo did the same when the energy minister was sacked after the 2019 blackout. the guy was sacked, but never arrested, which I assume, investigation revealed that he had nothing to do.
Journalism is bourgeois guys, let's not forget when Marx explained that the class system in a capitalist society is composed of journalists, te ones who posses the means of journalism and the non-journalists.
>>2637178
>And yet PDVSA has already confirmed they will sell Oil to the US
THE HORROR
pdvsa has always sold oil to the US
>>2637412And to add to that, why the Colectivos didn't engage in political violence against the petty bourg, remains still a mistery.
>>2637416>>2637412you are so obsessed switching your vpn, and evading bans:
>>2637415.
I doubt you deleted your porst.
what's the matter? a Venezuelan chud stole your girlfriend? and by that every Venezuelan is bad?
>>2637421hey, you are the retarded who claimed that rojava was the true socialism(TM) poject.
stfu, glowtard.
>>2637422Unlike you, I have a job, so I do not post from the same place.
I checked the logs and I don't see any band against me.
2637178 was deleted by the staff, not by me.
>>2637421Are Rojava and Chiapas actually existing leftcom-ism?
The journalists have nothing to lose but their chains. The more journalism there is in your country, the closer to communism you are. I’m writing about this interaction and posting it on my substack raising the communism of my country by .00000001%
>The more journalism there is in your country, the closer to communism you are
But this is true.
>>2637326This , Americans want to dominate the oil of Venezuela, they will likely still sell to China, Brazil and Turke, they try to dominate the wealth of "their" hemiphere
So
Why didn't the colectivos engage in political violence against the petty bourg?
I can't find any info about any class warfare.
>>2637445Socialism is when there is no commodity production, yes.
>>2637434You posted it then googled "left communism" and backtracked
>>2637449Whatever you want to believe in my guy.
>>2637345>all internationalist policy ties for a liberal oneis that why they keep giving gifts to cuba and erasing african debts?
>rolling out the red carpet for international capital domesticallyis that what you call capital control and forcing foreign capital to cooperate with local capital and develop the country and transfer technologies?
>play along like a puppet>Red Scare of your own that makes it illegal to be a literal communistyou're just saying random shit now
>can't distinguish 'nominal' from 'de facto' you certainly dont, or you didnt investigate enough maybe
>>2637397>if a revolutionary arrest a pro imperialist journo, its badlmao you're a such an obvious glowie
>>2637430there's no other reason to get your posts deleted, and that's because you got a ban.
keep evading the bans, you'll get a permaban.
>I have a joboh, you are
labor aristocrat (words coined by the immortal science of fedcoms). opinions discarded.
I proceed to ignore your posts because of that.
>>2637434>That wasn't me.yeah, fedcoms usually are morons, there's no functioning socialist country on earth, ANEES included. got it.
We need about 10 million more journalists in Venezuela before it is truly socialist.
>>2637454 >is that why they keep giving gifts to cuba and erasing african debts?Most of the western would don't have sanctions on US. And you don't know what proletarian internationalism means.
>is that what you call capital control and forcing foreign capital to cooperate with local capital and develop the country and transfer technologies?Like any social fascist government.
>you're just saying random shit nowNo investigation no right to speak.
Go back to reddit.
>>2637462>>I have a job>oh, you are labor aristocrat (words coined by[?] the immortal science of fedcoms[???]). Pot, kettle, etc.
>the more journous a country has, the more socialist is, and when they have a whole bunch of CNN, BBC, ABC, CBS, FOX NEWS jounous, they achieve communism!
>>2637475Now state the original meme and see if it leaves you with a pie in your face.
I have it on lock in case you wanna run away.
>>2637462>>2637478Hilarious that people here will call a welder from the third world working in precarius conditions (me) labour aristicrat and yet they defend a bourgeois polititian with decades of beih part of the political class of a vourgeois state that trades commodities with the US.
>>2637480I doubt you can intellectually challenge anyone about the concepts of socialism, and what socialism exists in Venezuela.
yeah, yeah, I know that for the likes of you, no country is socialist.
guess what, that's your opinion.
>there's no functioning socialist country on earth
But this is true.
>>2637485Has socialism existed, ever?
>>2637488No, not yet. Lenin was close but had to made several conscessions due to the specific conditions of post-tsarist russia.
Funny everyone here think journalism is a such a joke when its literally what communism is based on.
You all need to take a course in journalism IMMEDIATELY.
>>2637490Why do you subscribe to a political tendency that has existed for hundreds of years, yet has never had a
single success?
>>2637488only his anus is the beholder of true socialism.
>>2637481wow, a bus driver in Venezuela. the country known to be a first world country!
> Maduro = labour aristicratI hope you get one day to a governor, mayor, or electoral position and get rekt by the US, you dumb goofball fed apologist.
If the USSR had about 10,000 more journalists it might have succeeded.
>>2637488As per Lenin:
>And so, in the first phase of communist society (usually called socialism) “bourgeois law” is not abolished in its entirety, but only in part, only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. “Bourgeois law” recognizes them as the private property of individuals. Socialism converts them into common property. To that extent–and to that extent alone–"bourgeois law” disappears.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm#s1whatever state that has posed to control bourgeoise law, at any variance, it's socialist, as long the control is pertained to distribute the state resources into the population.
fedcoms usually can't read, or can't grasp what this mean, so they get angry when actual books are quoted, and usually derive the discussion to obscure communists that achieve little to nothing throughout their lives.
>>2637495Because I understand a better world is possible.
>>2637496Maduro hasn't been a bus driver in over three decades, you fucking fool
>I hope you get one day to a governor, mayor, or electoral position and get rekt by the US,Lmao, I am not engagig in bourgeois electoralism, I have dignity.
>as long the control is pertained to distribute the state resources into the population.
You should follow your own advice and actually read the ahit you quote, imagine thinking Venezuela during Maduro is in any way remotely comparable to what Lenin did to industriales the USSR in the interwar period
Fucking disgusting you even dare to compare the two.
>>2637484>>2637500>whatever state that has posed to control bourgeoise law, at any variance, it's socialistINDIAIS AESNow read the rest of the chapter you fucking idiot:
3. The First Phase of Communist Society
In the Critique of the Gotha Programme, Marx goes into detail to disprove Lassalle’s idea that under socialism the worker will receive the “undiminished” or “full product of his labor". Marx shows that from the whole of the social labor of society there must be deducted a reserve fund, a fund for the expansion of production, a fund for the replacement of the “wear and tear” of machinery, and so on. Then, from the means of consumption must be deducted a fund for administrative expenses, for schools, hospitals, old people’s homes, and so on.
Instead of Lassalle’s hazy, obscure, general phrase ("the full product of his labor to the worker"), Marx makes a sober estimate of exactly how socialist society will have to manage its affairs. Marx proceeds to make a concrete analysis of the conditions of life of a society in which there will be no capitalism, and says:
“What we have to deal with here [in analyzing the programme of the workers’ party] is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it comes."
It is this communist society, which has just emerged into the light of day out of the womb of capitalism and which is in every respect stamped with the birthmarks of the old society, that Marx terms the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society.
The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.
“Equality” apparently reigns supreme.
But when Lassalle, having in view such a social order (usually called socialism, but termed by Marx the first phase of communism), says that this is “equitable distribution", that this is “the equal right of all to an equal product of labor", Lassalle is mistaken and Marx exposes the mistake.
"Hence, the equal right,” says Marx, in this case still certainly conforms to “bourgeois law", which,like all law, implies inequality. All law is an application of an equal measure to different people who in fact are not alike, are not equal to one another. That is why the “equal right” is violation of equality and an injustice. In fact, everyone, having performed as much social labor as another, receives an equal share of the social product (after the above-mentioned deductions).
But people are not alike: one is strong, another is weak; one is married, another is not; one has more children, another has less, and so on. And the conclusion Marx draws is:
“… With an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal share in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, the right instead of being equal would have to be unequal."
The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences, in wealth will still persist, but the exploitation of man by man will have become impossible because it will be impossible to seize the means of production–the factories, machines, land, etc.–and make them private property. In smashing Lassalle’s petty-bourgeois, vague phrases about “equality” and “justice” in general, Marx shows the course of development of communist society, which is compelled to abolish at first only the “injustice” of the means of production seized by individuals, and which is unable at once to eliminate the other injustice, which consists in the distribution of consumer goods “according to the amount of labor performed” (and not according to needs).
The vulgar economists, including the bourgeois professors and “our” Tugan, constantly reproach the socialists with forgetting the inequality of people and with “dreaming” of eliminating this inequality. Such a reproach, as we see, only proves the extreme ignorance of the bourgeois ideologists.
Marx not only most scrupulously takes account of the inevitable inequality of men, but he also takes into account the fact that the mere conversion of the means of production into the common property of the whole society (commonly called “socialism”) does not remove the defects of distribution and the inequality of “bourgeois laws” which continues to prevail so long as products are divided “according to the amount of labor performed". Continuing, Marx says:
“But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged, after prolonged birth pangs, from capitalist society. Law can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby."
And so, in the first phase of communist society (usually called socialism) “bourgeois law” is not abolished in its entirety, but only in part, only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. “Bourgeois law” recognizes them as the private property of individuals. Socialism converts them into common property. To that extent–and to that extent alone–"bourgeois law” disappears.
However, it persists as far as its other part is concerned; it persists in the capacity of regulator (determining factor) in the distribution of products and the allotment of labor among the members of society. The socialist principle, “He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, “An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish “bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products.
This is a “defect”, says Marx, but it is unavoidable in the first phase of communism; for if we are not to indulge in utopianism, we must not think that having overthrown capitalism people will at once learn to work for society without any rules of law. Besides, the abolition of capitalism does not immediately create the economic prerequisites for such a change.
Now, there are no other rules than those of “bourgeois law". To this extent, therefore, there still remains the need for a state, which, while safeguarding the common ownership of the means of production, would safeguard equality in labor and in the distribution of products.
The state withers away insofar as there are no longer any capitalists, any classes, and, consequently, no class can be suppressed.
But the state has not yet completely withered away, since there still remains the safeguarding of “bourgeois law", which sanctifies actual inequality. For the state to wither away completely, complete communism is necessary.
>>2637505>Maduro hasn't been a bus driver in over three decadesas I said to the other fedcom:
>People work>People study>People get good at the responsibilities assigned.>People use the tools of the bourgeoise laws as every goddamn socialist has done.>and then become a high-ranking official.>then president.
>I have dignitwhat dignity?
Also, don't ever idpol your 'muh I am third world' again, ITT. I am the Venezuela that lurks ITT always.
I can update the picture always.
>>2637515>You should follow your own advice and actually read the ahit you quote, imagine thinking Venezuela during Maduro is in any way remotely comparable to what Lenin did to industriales the USSR in the interwar periodyou can prove it isn't.
show me stats:
per poverty reduction
literacy
public education access
public services access
public health access
fucking troll, in here average worker under Chavez when he imposed better deals with American industries, they could travel to all parts South America.
>>2637518>INDIA>AEShave they controlled bourgeoise law? up to some extent? to what extent? do you have facts that back the claim it isn't? or is?
>mucho texto that I have already read.what part should I focus on?
this one:
>The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences.?
Btw I don't care if Venezuela is the TRUE socialism or not. If you equivocate about this you should be killed.
>>2637519Maybe if Maduro became a journalist instead of president he would be less of a labour aristocrat and Venezuela would be socialist now.
>>2637535obviously lol. he would surpassed Stalin, Lenin, Marx, and Mao, and Ho Chi Min in the inmortal science of communism.
how dumb he was!
>>2637519based
>>2637535nobody likes you
>>2637316Maduro himself was already pursuing warmer relations and trade with the US during the Biden administration.
>>2637545Biden eased the Trump Term 1 sanctions and started buying oil from Venezuela.
One of my "favorite" things about our sclerotic moribund empire is that imperialism seems to have ADHD. the democrats tend to take the foot off the Latin American necks just a little bit in order to pursue a more anti-Russian agenda, while the Trump admin does it the other way around.
>>2637519>>2637522Yes, Maduro became a labor aristocrat, then a bourgeois politican where he became a class traitor, just like everyone in the corrupt social democracy bourgeois state that is Venezuela.
>I am Venezuelean Oh son ou work for the government, all that >muh glowie is just textbook projection lol
>LarpTotally, check out my Balenciaga pants, btw, can you ask your fellow glowies in Virginia to send me another set of work pants? Metal shavingsa keep getting into my work boots.
>>2637545>>2637545in fact, state department official richard grenell visited Venezuela two times in 2025.
>>2637555>Oh son ou work for the government?
>>2637555>Oh son ou work for the governmentI've never been in the government, nor received direct funds from anyone in the government, party. buddy, you are projecting at this point.
>>2637558>>2637559Mask off buddy, you get some petrodollar$ from the trade of commodified oil between the US and Venezuela
How much do you get per post?
>>2637564>most posts are yoursffs stfu
>>2637564eres muy pendenjo de creer que vivo de 'petrodólare', chacho pendejo. sigue siendo un ultra lleno de idealismo, que vas a llegar lejos.
>>2637555>he does it for freeSomehow even worse.
>>2637555mods, hold down leftcom anon and twist his fuckin nuts
>>2637567Tu sabes bien como es la realidad en Venezuela, es triste que defiendas a un regimen burgues, tibio, que coquetea con la Derecha internacional.
Puedes decir que los ultras nunca van a llegar a nada, y al mismo tiempo, negar el entendimiento científico de la historia, pero por lo menos los ultras jamas nos hemos degenerado a traidores de clase como lo hacen los regimenes de izquierda latinoamericana.
>>2637573That's my fetish
>>2637531>mucho texto that I have already read.Clearly not since what you're saying is incoherent nonsense.
>what part should I focus on? I'll trim it for you:
The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.But when Lassalle, having in view such a social order (usually called socialism, but termed by Marx the first phase of communism), says that this is “equitable distribution", that this is “the equal right of all to an equal product of labor", Lassalle is mistaken and Marx exposes the mistake."Hence, the equal right,” says Marx, in this case still certainly conforms to “bourgeois law", which,like all law, implies inequality. All law is an application of an equal measure to different people who in fact are not alike, are not equal to one another. That is why the “equal right” is violation of equality and an injustice. In fact, everyone, having performed as much social labor as another, receives an equal share of the social product (after the above-mentioned deductions).But people are not alike: one is strong, another is weak; one is married, another is not; one has more children, another has less, and so on. And the conclusion Marx draws is:“… With an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal share in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, the right instead of being equal would have to be unequal."The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences, in wealth will still persist, but the exploitation of man by man will have become impossible because it will be impossible to seize the means of production–the factories, machines, land, etc.–and make them private property. In smashing Lassalle’s petty-bourgeois, vague phrases about “equality” and “justice” in general, Marx shows the course of development of communist society, which is compelled to abolish at first only the “injustice” of the means of production seized by individuals, and which is unable at once to eliminate the other injustice, which consists in the distribution of consumer goods “according to the amount of labor performed” (and not according to needs).Marx not only most scrupulously takes account of the inevitable inequality of men, but he also takes into account the fact that the mere conversion of the means of production into the common property of the whole society (commonly called “socialism”) does not remove the defects of distribution and the inequality of “bourgeois laws” which continues to prevail so long as products are divided “according to the amount of labor performed". Continuing, Marx says:“But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged, after prolonged birth pangs, from capitalist society. Law can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby."And so, in the first phase of communist society (usually called socialism) “bourgeois law” is not abolished in its entirety, but only in part, only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. “Bourgeois law” recognizes them as the private property of individuals. Socialism converts them into common property. To that extent–and to that extent alone–"bourgeois law” disappears.However, it persists as far as its other part is concerned; it persists in the capacity of regulator (determining factor) in the distribution of products and the allotment of labor among the members of society. The socialist principle, “He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, “An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish “bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products.Now, there are no other rules than those of “bourgeois law". To this extent, therefore, there still remains the need for a state, which, while safeguarding the common ownership of the means of production, would safeguard equality in labor and in the distribution of products.- LENIN, 1917,
THE STATE AND REVOLUTION >The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals.
So why are people saying Venezuela is in a lower phase of communism again?
>>2637539>e-erm this one paragraph is a-all i will need!Stalin would have
you killed for suggesting that 21st century Venezuela are not fit to advance a communist line and ought to submit to economistic bourgeois romanticists right after a revolutionary period. These uyghas straight-up thinking 21st century Venezuela is a feudal colony
NOW to make this argument LMAO
you are to low-skilled to advance to the next level - the presence of multiple paragraphs: >>2637518 >>2637582You do not qualify for Party work at this time. About 20% to 27% OF Venezuelean nationals left the country
But yeah guys, the Venezuelean regime is a true proletariat nation currently in the process of achieving communism as it's in the lower phase of socialism.
O algo.
China said on Friday it would continue to offer its firm support to Venezuela after its ambassador met the country’s interim president Delcy Rodriguez. She described her meeting with Chinese ambassador Lan Hu as “cordial” and thanked Beijing for its condemnation of the abduction of former leader Nicolas Maduro and his wife Cilia Flores. “We value China’s firm and consistent stance in strongly condemning the serious violation of international law and Venezuelan sovereignty,” Rodriguez said. Responding to a question about the meeting, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said China valued its relations with Venezuela and had always maintained good communication and cooperation with the Venezuelan government.
“China will continue to firmly support Venezuela in safeguarding sovereignty, dignity and national security,” Mao said. “No matter how the political situation may evolve in Venezuela, China is deeply committed to deepening practical cooperation across many fields and promoting common development.”
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3339375/china-says-it-still-deeply-committed-venezuela-ambassador-meets-new-leader>>2637616That's the joke.
>>2637611You keep blaming the victim like the fascist you are.
>>2637571would you look at that, posting a bunch of stuff without quoting the sanctions.
lmao.
as if, the text hints you:
>declined>jump back to pre-Maduroetc.
and it's not about corruption or betrayal (Maduro never privatized state-owned strategic companies), as this economic analysis proves it:
https://venezuelanalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Sanctions-and-Vzlan-Economy-June-2019.pdf
>This paper has provided evidence that the 2017 financial sanctions and the 2019 oil sanctions adversely affected the Venezuelan economy and contributed to the decline in the country’s income and living standards. We have provided several models and alternative estimation techniques to approximate that effect. In our preferred specification, we estimate that financial sanctions were associated with economic losses of USD 16.9bn per year. Additional cross-national estimates suggest that oil sanctions, imposed earlier this year on an already decimated oil industry, will likely lead to a further decline in oil output.
>We have attempted to address the methodological concerns raised by other authors in this debate. In particular, we have shown that the identification of a negative effect associated with sanctions in the post-2017 data is not dependent on the use of Colombia as a control, as claimed by HMB, but is instead robust to the choice of counterfactual. We applied synthetic control methods to produce an adequate control group, estimating a large negative post-treatment effect. We also used cross-national data to estimate the effect of oil sanctions such as those imposed on Venezuela earlier this year. And we have shown that the alternative militarization hypothesis has problems accounting for variations in the time-series data: even using the most generous specification to this hypothesis, we find that it can explain at most one-seventh of the decline in output that the 2017 sanctions account for. In contrast to the militarization, corruption or investment hypotheses, which must be modified in ad hoc ways to fit the data, the sanctions hypothesis yields additional predictions – that production should have stabilized or grown in Chinese and Russian joint ventures, or that it would not have been affected in sanctions exempt subsidiaries – which are confirmed by the evidence.>>2637620>“China will continue to firmly support Venezuela in safeguarding sovereignty[proofs??], dignity[proofs??] and national security [proofs??]” Mao [Ning] said. Mao
Zedong acted a bit different when the US invaded [country].
Also, still to be seen, but this is is the growing possibility if Delcy doesn't diverge from the lax trade policy with the US which they're demanding:
>>2634037 (a post from previous thread):
>Chinese refiners expected to replace Venezuelan oil with Iranian crude, traders say
>SINGAPORE, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Chinese independent refiners are expected to switch to heavy crude from sources including Iran in coming months to replace Venezuelan shipments halted since the U.S. removed the country's president, traders and analysts said.>Caracas and Washington agreed to export up to $2 billion worth of Venezuelan crude to the United States, President Donald Trump said on Tuesday, after U.S. forces captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro over the weekend.>That arrangement is likely to curtail Venezuelan supply to China, analysts say, reducing a source of cheap oil for independent refiners known as teapots. The world's biggest crude importer is a major buyer of discounted sanctioned oil from Russia, Iran and Venezuela.
>AMPLE RUSSIAN, IRANIAN SUPPLY>"The Venezuela drama hits China's independent refineries the hardest, as they may lose access to the discounted heavy barrels," said Sparta Commodities analyst June Goh.>"However as there are ample Russian and Iranian feedstocks available and Venezuelan barrels on water, we do not foresee the teapots needing to bid up for unsanctioned barrels as the economics would likely not make sense for them," she said.>China imported 389,000 barrels per day of Venezuelan oil in 2025, about 4% of its total seaborne crude imports, Kpler data showed.>At least a dozen sanctioned vessels that loaded in December departed Venezuelan waters in early January carrying some 12 million barrels of crude and fuel, Reuters has reported. However, loadings for Asia at Venezuela's main ports have stopped since January 1, shipping data showed.>With supply tightening, sellers of Venezuelan Merey crude for prompt delivery offered cargoes at discounts of about $10 per barrel to ICE Brent versus $15 last month, said one trader, although trade has come to a standstill.>Another trader said offers were at minus $11 per barrel.
>FLOATING STORAGE CAN LAST 75 DAYS>Venezuelan crude aboard ships in Asia remains sufficient to cover roughly 75 days of Chinese demand, limiting any immediate upside for alternatives, said Kpler senior analyst Xu Muyu.>Teapots using Venezuelan oil are likely to switch to Russian and Iranian supply in March and April, and China can also tap non-sanctioned sources such as Canada, Brazil, Iraq, and Colombia, she said.>Buyers have yet to start sourcing alternatives, trade sources said, with Iranian Heavy crude priced at a discount of about $10 per barrel to ICE Brent in ample supply, the cheapest alternative.>Teapots may also consider Middle Eastern grades such as Iraqi Basrah, a Singapore-based trader said.>Meanwhile, discounts for Canadian crude such as Cold Lake and Access Western Blend exported from the Trans Mountain pipeline have widened more than $2 this week to $4-$5 a barrel to ICE Brent for April delivery to China on expectations of lower U.S. demand, traders said.https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-venezuela-transfer-50-112031954.html >>2637574sé muy bien la realidad burguesa es la que ataca a Maduro, los zuloaga, los machado, los capriles, todos ellos perritos del imperio.
tú no sabes una mierda.
Tuvimos 18 trimestres consecutivos de crecimiento económico gracias a Maduro, por fin saliendo del abismo que trump impuso con las sanciones:
>>2637636https://fusernews.com/cepal-proyecta-para-venezuela-el-mayor-crecimiento-economico-de-america-del-sur-en-2025/Te lo voy a decir en tu idioma:
>"El que quiera ser águila que vuele, el que quiera ser gusano que se arrastre, pero que no grite cuando lo pisen".<Emiliano Zapata.>If you want to be an eagle, fly; if you want to be a worm, crawl; but don't you cry out when you're stepped on.<Emiliano Zapata. I love when people around me argue in spanish. Feels like I'm on vacation.
>>2637656Que delicioso es el 'crecimiento económico' que solo se siente si perteneces a la burguesía enchufada, mientras la guardia o colectivos te extorsionan y te quitan el efectivo y no puedes hacer nada porque toda la policía es corrupta.
>>2637664de nuevo, cuantos programas sociales abogo por destruir Maduro? cuántas empresas estatales estratégicas privatizó?
ninguna?
😴
>>2637582
>The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals.Preceded by:
>It is this communist societyNot by
in this "socialist" society.
>It is this communist society, which has just emerged into the light of day out of the womb of capitalism and which is in every respect stamped with the birthmarks of the old society, that Marx terms the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society.
>The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.go back to school, you need to hone your reading skills.
>>2637632So a smaller bourgeois nation is the victim of a larger one, yet you believe the victim here is the nation and not the workers that are exploited inside that smaller nation
Your anti-communist, liberal, petty nationalusm is hilarious.
>>2637679>350 empresas públicas están por ser privatizadas o que sean manejadas por empresarios privadoslmao, nunca pasó.
nómbralas.
>mfw >>2637681>Never happenedBecause he was kidnapped by the US lol
>>2637684>wow bourgeoisie media>wowowowMaduro fuera corrupto, estaría en la camita violando niñitas con trump.
If Maduro were corrupt, he would be in bed raping little girls with Trump.
little twerp.
Can you mods ban this fucking guy that is literally denying the fact that Maduro wanted to privatize state owned companies?
Why is spewing lies allowed?
>>2637670Moving the goalposts for me, not for thee. Buen intento, pero de verdad qué risa ver otra vez al mismo pendejo intentando defender a un gobierno donde es completamente normal que esto pase y que la guardia aparte te amenace de meterte preso en calabozos si no les das dinero para 'resolver' o 'pa los frescos'. O peor, que de verdad lo hagan y aparte te metan una coñiza porque son unos macacos violentos con armas que solo les importa el beneficio personal.
>la izquierda diario
>Bourgeois news
Even Petro asked Maduro not to privatize Monomeros
Ban this lying, wrecker pro-Maduro glowie already, Mask is 100% off
>>2637672>It is this communist societyNot by
in this "socialist" society.
Fucking retard doesn't understand that communism and wocialism was used interchangeably
Do follow your own advice, Maduro intended to privatize hundreds of state owned companies
Is pushing for privatization part of the lower phase of socialism?
>>2637687make up your mind, did or did not?
>he couldn't do it because he was kidnappedisn't an argument.
do you know who's not to be kidnapped, ever?
>A more austere 2026 budget will include a 30% cut in public spending, Espinoza said. The government took the spending reduction decision on its own and not as a result of any pressure from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), he said, adding Bolivia remains open to dialogue with the Fund.These people. neoliberals, which are the anti-thesis to socialism, are not to be kidnapped.
>>2637703>WhataboutismKeep coping you fucking retard, Maduro, by wanting to privatize hundreds of companies, isn't any less neoliberal
>>2637696>Monomerosit's stupid for Venezuela to have foreign assets after they got funds withheld in
>bank of Portugal>londonand CITGO
FUCKING STOLENwhat is petro going to fucking do if a right-wing president comes in and decides to steal it, not reimbursing one dime, as the US did?
>>2637694you haven't shown which ones were privatized in Venezuela 😴😴😴
>guys guys, Maduro isn't a class traitor because he MERELY intended to privatize these firms, he was never able to.
When are Mods going to do their job? Why is this fucking dogshit posting allowed?
>>2637705>Whataboutismni siquiera sabes qué es eso.
la evidencia genuina que Maduro no era traidor, es que se lo llevaron a la fuerza y lo están llevando a un juicio de circo.
I see it guys, Maduro wanted to privatize all these hundreds of companies, but Trump kidnapping him to avoid it from happening.
Glory to Marxist-Leninist-Trumpist thought
Why do we hate Machudo again then? She wanted to privatize even more than Maduro, is Machudo the true vanguard then???
>>2637717>MERELY intended to privatize these firmslmao, the aricles you have provided not even names the words of Maduro or any of the government officials. keep seething. but hey, you can read Diosdado's own words:
https://www.aporrea.org/actualidad/n294743.html>Maduro y Cabello refutaron posibilidad de privatizar empresas nacionalizadas o devolverlas a dueños privados>¡por la vía del socialismo! Que nadie se engañe, ni se deje engañar. Que nadie se confunda, ni confunda a nadie. ¡El camino no es el capitalismo, ni la privatizaciones, ni entregarle el país a la derecha, ni a las oligarquías! ¡El camino es más socialismo, más revolución, más poder popular! ¡Ese es el camino nuestro!>Through socialism! Let no one be deceived, nor allow themselves to be deceived. Let no one be confused, nor confuse anyone else. The path is not capitalism, nor privatization, nor handing the country over to the right wing, nor to the oligarchies! The path is more socialism, more revolution, more popular power! That is our path!cry me a river.
>>2637727UPHOLD THE IMMORTAL SCIENCE OF TRUMPISM-SOCIALISM!
things say by the Mexican fedcom(TM) >>2637736>2016Kill yourself you fucking idiot
>>2637739Tell the feds I need another hoodie, these fucking metal shavings sting like fucking crazy pls
leftcom, in his insane tirade, reached to the argument:
>Maduro was about to
>privatize
>hundreds! mind you, batshit insane, the opposition only wants PDVSA and mining industries to be privatized
>of industries.
but it didn't happen because *check notes* a guy known for his communistic instances, reading Lenin publicly, not killing brow people in Gaza
>kidnapped Maduro before he could do such an horrible act.
he ask mods to ban people, but he'll get his ban.
>>2637754>Batshit insaneAre you saying all the left newspapers that reported what he intended are fake?
>>2637755Also, I know you are stupid, but surely, SURELY, you understood that this post
>>2637727 was satire right?
Please tell me you aren't actually this fucking stupid.
>>2637756this wasn't a satire:
>>2637687and yes, all the articles you quoted, quoted lies.
a) It was never made.
b) It was never stated by the state actors.
c) you swallowed their propaganda instead of listening the state actors.
hablas español y eres incapaz de buscar artículos a ver dónde dicen que van a privatizar, escuchar el video o audio y confirmar.
eres tarado funcional.
>>2637745>the horror it's a 2016 article😱😱😱
find me one where they say they are going to reverse their policies. one.
>Tell the feds I need another hoodie, these fucking metal shavings sting like fucking crazy plsyou keep projecting, but look how I've never used right-wing media to quote speculative information.
>>2637726You need to understand journalistic theory and praxis. Then you will see where they are privatizing.
>>2637761>>2637763Holy shit, no fucking way you retards are trying to use a fucking 10 YEAR OLD news article to somewhat disprove what multiple news outlets reported just a few months ago
Absolutely batshit insane.
>>2637555>no timestampok glowie
>>2637763Everyone has seen the 5 year old article that examines how Maduro privatized 5000 taco stands in Caracas. You’re the outlier.
>>2637714
Do you support this invasion?
>>2637766oh, now it's 'journalistic theory and praxis'.
lmao.
>multiple news outlets reported just a few months agomultiple news outlets also stated that
kkkhmas (Hamas) was the aggressor in October 7 of 2023.
>>2637773The ones quoting an outdated aericle are you retards
I literaly quoted "la izquierda diario", which translates to the daily left.
Hell, even the site "Aporrea", which was used by this fucking retard
>>2637736 has a n article about the subject
https://www.aporrea.org/ideologia/a336266.html >>2637780>whataboutismIs Aporrea a right wing publication?
>>2637778I support my dick invading your ass.
No wonder the "colectivos" are arresting journalists, journalists are denouncing Maduro as the sneaky neoliberal piggy that he is
Sad!
>everyone
>it's known praxis
>you know it, I know it, everybody knows it
someone itt needs a timeout
Seriously, what the fuck is stopping literally any country to just launch missiles back this fucking paper tiger military
Do these retarded leaders actually enjoy being cucked?
>>2637783>"I support my dick inv… -ACK! AAAAAACK! AAAACK!" you're clearly a communist larper living in the US
My dick needs a timeout, I'm getting tired of blasting your asses all the time.
>>2637792We've been through this before, yes, everyone that makes you angry in the internet is from the US, anything else?
>>2637782>la privatización de más de 350 empresas del Estado por parte del gobierno, se dio a conocer por declaraciones de la cámara empresarial Conindustriait's not stated by government officials, but from one side of the conversation.
and it never happened anyway.
did you see someone buying PDVSA? Guyana mining, metal and steel companies? CANTV? CORPOELEC? IVSS? no? then cope and seethe.
the
>it didn't happen anyway because Maduro was arrested only serves to your anti-communist imagination.
>>2637782Quit arguing for/pretending to be me and get some journalistic standards you oaf.
I would never cite that and have a million better sources at my disposal that say Maduro transformed Caracas into a Taco Bell.
>>2637795Is Gustavo fucking Petro not a government official?
>>2637798Are you using Taco Bell as a racist remark because I am Mexican?
Reported
>>2637801I was very clear that Venezuela has no chance to defend monomeros in Colombia. petro is fucking joke in terms of fighting back actual imperialism and won't do shit if he leaves power and comes in another paraco.
>>2637803And? The point here is that there is at least one government official that backs up the news that Maduro is planing to privatize Monomeros.
>>2637802I would never have such a thin skin against the truth.
Counter-reported.
>>2637805is monomeros important for the Venezuelan people?
getting it stolen instead of selling it would be better for the Venezuelan people?
answer the question.
>>2637778 (NTA)
look how he evaded the question. publicly noted that he didn't condemn the invasion.
btw, can you guys explain why there is a bourgeois chamber of industry called Coindustria in a socialist country that is allowed to spew "fake news" about possible privatization processes, without any punishment? according to you, that phase of the lower phase of communism is this???
I wonder what am I going to find if I search if this chamber of commerce has increased in size during the years. Surely in a socialist country, the number of private enterprise would lower, right?
>>2637807It is important to have state enterprises because it denies the opportunity to the capitalist class to make business with them.
>>2637807btw, you didn't state that you condemn my dick invading your ass, so that means you support my dick in your ass
>>2637672Again, same chapter, just a few paragraphs for comprehension. Now I'll highlight the important sentences for special emphasis for our special little bourgcialist (no elipsed paragraphs, same chapter:
>Instead of Lassalle’s hazy, obscure, general phrase ("the full product of his labor to the worker"), Marx makes a sober estimate of exactly how socialist society will have to manage its affairs. Marx proceeds to make a concrete analysis of the conditions of life of a society in which there will be no capitalism, and says:>“What we have to deal with here [in analyzing the programme of the workers’ party] is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it comes.">It is this communist society, which has just emerged into the light of day out of the womb of capitalism and which is in every respect stamped with the birthmarks of the old society, that Marx terms the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society.>The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.>“Equality” apparently reigns supreme.>But when Lassalle, having in view such a social order (usually called socialism, but termed by Marx the first phase of communism), says that this is “equitable distribution", that this is “the equal right of all to an equal product of labor", Lassalle is mistaken and Marx exposes the mistake. >>2637833Explain to us how Coindustria, a bourgeois chamber of commerce, is actually socialism.
>>2637864Thank matter for Stalin
>>2637888if you think about it him going tryhard during the civil war was just massive cope for the german revolution failing.
>2637864
>2638035
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>>2637441literally a protection racket. don the don just wants his cut
>>2637447Because they are fascist. Venezuel is fascist while america isnt.
>check thread to see latest developments
>mostly anons infighting about whether venezuela is a shithole or not of if venezuela selling oil to the us exclusively ans the us controlling the profits is bad for anti-imperialism
>>2637975trump is just going to threaten them in a TRUTH® and they'll start coughing up money
>>2637700>Is pushing for privatization part of the lower phase of socialism?depends on the material conditions
>>2638431Given what a dud this oil imperialism was, I'm actually starting to wonder whether the oil was a "limited hangout" admission to hide a more egregious truth, namely that they were simply mad about Maduro's criticism of Israel.
>>2637975America is SO BACK BABYYYY
>>2638521Was Maduro even as harsh on Israel as Chavez?
>>2637791The think the US, which cowardly hides behind proxies when attacking strategic peers, actually wants to WW3 Posadist-maxx with nukes flying everywhere.
My hope is that if Taiwan pops off and the US starts fighting China through Taiwan with ISR, arms, etc., that China gives an ultimatum to halt support or the US will be considered a co-belligerent, making its homeland fair game.
>>2638530I don't know, because Chavez is before my time having any interest whatsoever in geopolitics, and Venezuela wasn't exactly on my catch-up reading list the way China and the Soviet Union have been :D
But I do know that Israel has been writing scathing criticism of Maduro for years, and the crackdown on Gaza critics has been vigorous with the Miriam Adelson slave in the White House.
>>2637791Cost of suffering 100 deaths and minor materiel damage is much, much lower than fighting a real ass war. Even the cost of sacrificing this much every year won't outweigh a war.
You people who want cucks to lash out and fight for communism and overthrown capitalism want to see those news on TV, but would NEVER want to participate in a war yourself. You have no moral high ground to criticize "cucks"
>>2638407It is a shithole. Gonna become and US-controlled shithole now.
>>2638521>Given what a dud this oil imperialism wasIt wasn't a dud. It's just that american oil companies aren't prepared to make blatant imperialism useful. They don't have the manpower nor the infrastructure. This is gonna change. Expect an Exxon paramilitary of US citizens, not those foreign PMC that they employ.
>>2638574>Gonna become and US-controlled shithole now.Nah.
>>2638574My initial theory was that Trump
thought it was about oil but didn't bother to consult oil execs lol. It's getting way too strange, tho. Something else is probably going on.
>>2638594Nah, Trump was planning this shit for a year at least. He waited and waited and waited and lost his moment, but scrapping the plan wasn't allowed
>>2637975>>2638521>>2638594oil imperialism was never about "stealing oil", it's about controlling the oil price
the US wants to keep the oil price in a sweet spot where it's neither too expensive (hurting domestic industry) nor too cheap (ruining oil companies' profits)
>>2638672Isn't he kinda helping Russia by creating so much uncertainty around Ven oil? He probably thought he could create a surplus supply, but that's not going to work if the oil execs don't want to touch Venezuela with a ten-foot pole.
>>2638710
Post chin
>>2638433Ok, but the material conditions of Venezuela mean privatization is just the regime accepting it needs foreign capital to function, so it is not socialism.
>>2638710
You lost WWII
You lost colonial empires
You lost the civil rights struggle
You lost industry
You lost Canada
>>you are here<<
You lost the hi-tech sphere
You lost the financial sphere
You lost Asian women
You lost America
You lost Europe
Every time I catch a glimpse of a "(You)" embedded in a rage post, I get nervous because I think someone is being mean to me. :(
>>2638775they prefer it when they're losing anyway, it fuels their melange of personality and social disorders.
>>2638710>https://therightstuff.biz/2022/11/23/tds971/Running a political Wordpress blog on the .biz gTLD is literally the most chuddish thing I've seen all week.
>>2638710
>I need to post this irrelevant race baiting shit in the Venezuela thread!
Glow
>>2638605according to an nytimes article this whole venezuela campaign started out as a plan to initially bomb cartels in mexico by stephen miller but then mexico moved against the cartels and the idea combined with marco rubio's obsession with cuba and venezuela and trump's desire to get rid of maduro/get venezuela's oil
I'm just an unread retard. But they way I see it, sovereignty is adverse to liberalization. So I can't help being pessimistic when the periphery is expected to liberalize in order to break hegemonic monopolies, and we call this "anti-imperialism".
I feel like, without a socialist alternative, all this cold war is doing, is reshuffling the economy to wring out the last bits of profitability. By destroying with war and cannibalizing future profits by somewhat developing places in the periphery otherwise slated to be purely resource extraction shitholes.
Sure, eventually this may be progressive, as Vijay Prashad's milieu of China stans says. But to me, it's one grim outlook, socialism as a byproduct of cataclysm. May aswell unironically wait for aliens to impose it upon us hairless apes.
Lol it's over
>>2638960What a joke of an administration. For the first time in forever, I'm unironically rooting for Dems to win the midterms, not because their train-wreck foreign policy is something to be excited about but because their animus toward Trump seems genuine enough to make life difficult for him for his last two years.
>>2638574>It's just that american oil companies aren't prepared to make blatant imperialism usefulthat means it was a dud, retard. the capital expenditure needed to revive the venezuelan oil industry does not make any financial sense. It has extremely shitty oil quality and a decrepit infrastructure to extract it. It would take billions of dollars annually for 10 years to make it viable, which makes no sense to sink money into when current oil prices are already low enough.
>>2639045>I'm unironically rooting for DemsConsider suicide.
>>2639046>It has extremely shitty oil quality and a decrepit infrastructure to extract it.What is this racist nonsense.
Venezuelan oil is HEAVY. Russians call it salty, for some reason or another. To make use of it, you either mix it with lighter oil in special mixing oil facilities - like USA was doing before, mixing Venezuelan oil with lighter American one - or you need to build special refineries - how China is doing now, with Chinese having built refineries to accomodate Venezuelan oil back in China. It's not poor quality, it's the same kind of oil Canadians or Mexicans are selling. And this kind of oil is only getting sniffed at because it's INDUSTRIAL grade, you make fuel oil out of it used in industries, and not burn in cars like you do with American light oil which is fairly easy to refine and has higher prices to begin with.
Calling Venezuelan oil shitty quality is a straight up racism that's based on "if it costs less it must be worse quality", the most braindead take ever
we got oil racism before GTA 6
>>2639053>What is this racist nonsense.The fuck, are you nuts? What does race have to do with oil? Guyana's current oil boom next door is due to the fact that it's oil is better quality and cheaper to extract and needs less processing.
>Venezuelan oil is HEAVY.yes. it needs special processing, is more expensive, energy intensive methods to process. In other words, it is SHIT quality. Stop being a sophist.
>>2639053cmon its terrible quality grade oil like why even try and refute that fact. nobodies saying its any worse than shitty canadian sand oil. in any case we're in the middle of a solar revolution so imperialism was retarded taking it now and not 30 years ago
>>2639053>Russians call it salty, for some reason or another"Sour oil" is an english term that means the same. It means there's a high admixture of sulfides in the oil which needs to be purified, adding yet another step in the refining process.
>>2639045> their animus toward Trump seems genuine enough to make life difficult for him for his last two years.fell for it again award
failed to distinguish between angry voters and always lying elected officials award
>>2638701>I find myself wishcastingok?
>>2638515lib imperialists
it was all a big misunderstanding
superbigote means super MUSTACHE
please stop bombing us
>>2639063>in any case we're in the middle of a solar revolutionthe west isn't
>>2639080ok but its still an issue for them, China is exporting huge amounts of solar panels to traditionally third party oil buyers like Pakistan which craters overall global demand for oil. prices will never be that high again
Why has this thread always got so much in it with so little being said?
Anyone have any actual updates? Only been able to catch bits and pieces on TeleSUR here and there.
>>2639060>>2639063>it requires more processing, therefore it's shit qualityIf it was American or European oil, you'd be calling it ARTISANAL oil that requires EXTRA CARE. This is BLATANT racism
>>2639122i just told you, you mouth breathing retard, that guyana, a population of predominantly black and indian descent bordering venezuela, has better quality oil. Do you see me calling it "uyghur oil" do you see me calling Saudi Arabian oil "sand uyghur" oil? You are absolutely braindead.
>>2639122Mods, rape his boipussy
>>2639122and no, shale and the tar sands oil in Canada is also disgusting quality and environmentally damaging. I have no clue why you are honing on on the racial thing other than you being a bot or troll.
>>2639144>racial hierarchy of oils>>2639149"Quality" implies implies, well, bad qualities. Like that shit quality coal that's burned on-site in German coal mines, it just doesn't burn good. In case of heavy oil, it burns just as well as any other blend, it merely requires more processing. It's not "quality" thing. Lower yield of crude? Sure. But extracted oil's goddamn fine! The only reason to call it low quality is some kind of racism
>>2639180I'm not arguing for oil or anything, but I don't think you can make plastics out of pure electricity. Solar use depends on oil prices (for now, it's inevtiably going to reverse), so you get more solar when oil is pricey and less solar when oil is cheap. Projections don't take this into account, for some reason
>>2639157>racial hierarchy of oilsAre you not understanding I was making a joke?
>The only reason to call it low quality is some kind of racismYou have no clue what racism means, literally. There are countries that produce more desirable and less desirable oils. It has nothing to do with racial hierarchies. Also, "Latino" is not a fucking race but a cultural or ethnic category based on a lot of other things other than "racial heritage". You are just painfully dumb or misinformed.
>"Quality" implies implies, well, bad qualitiesYes. If it takes more energy and more money to refine, that is a "bad" quality that makes it undesirable for oil companies to extract. This is exactly why and another anon are calling it "shit". It is "shit" by the standard of needing extra refinement and extra expense to use.
The argument over whether there is oil that is more "consumer grade" i.e. for gasoline in consumer automobiles or oil for industrial use i.e. steel manufacturing, bitumen for asphalt, heavy fuel oil, waxes, fuel for tankers is a related but different argument. A lot of the qualities that make heavy crude good for industrial use are precisely what makes it "shit quality". It's well known that the fuel that is used for shipping are terrible quality and terrible polluting. And I'm willing to wager they also are polluting when they are used in manufacturing.
>Like that shit quality coal that's burned on-site in German coal mines, it just doesn't burn good. Except, again, there is shitty quality coal and good quality. Anthracite coal burns clean, which made it a highly desirable historically, and more expensive. There is always a place for shittier grades of oil and coal because the economy is complex and there are many places to use it.
>>2639216>that is a "bad" quality that makes it undesirable for oil companies to extractThis makes no sense because heavy oil needs specialized equipment to extract. You don't need ANY oil company, you need A company that's specifically doing business in heavy oil.
>>2639091Not many updates, unfortunately.
We're in the pregnant silence where Trump – like the kid who discovers his Xmas plane toy doesn't actually fly – is still coming to grips with his oil that's completely useless to US industry.
<Properly speaking, what was Hitler’s aggression? Wasn’t it class struggle? It was. And the fact that atomic war may break out, isn’t that class struggle? There is no alternative to class struggle. This is a very serious question. The be-all and end-all is not peaceful coexistence, peaceful coexistence. After all, we have been holding on for some time, and under Stalin we held on to the point where the imperialists felt able to demand point blank: either surrender such and such positions, or it means war. So far the imperialists haven’t renounced tha
>>2639073Eh, I dunno, anon. They really did try to nail him legally in and out of office. Compare with Dubya & Cheney. Pelosi: "Impeachment is off the table." Obama: "We must look forward, not back." Am I really that gullible to think they'll paralyze his administration and pull out the knives? It's not going to stop the uniparty Israel support, but it may stop the extracurricular excursions with economic bullying and whatnot.
>>2639527Yeah you can see how it's deployed here
>>2639489 >>2639523>Their oil is garbage… the worst you can get. It's like tar.Told you it's racism against oil
>>2639523>for crude oil to be considered sour it needs to be .5% sulfur in weight>Venezuelan crude can be up to 5.7%>sulfate reducing Bacteria can turn the sulfur compounds into H2S gas and corrode pipelines and refineries>Microbial induced corrosion costs the oil and gas industry 2 billion a year already a thousand plagues upon texan refineries
>>2639610Nicgars cucked, so much for muh AES
U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday signed an executive order that aims to block the seizure of Venezuelan oil revenue held in U.S. Treasury accounts.
The executive order states that the revenue, which is held in foreign government deposit funds, are “held solely for sovereign purposes” and that any court attempt to seize the funds will “materially harm the national security and foreign policy” of the U.S.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/10/trump-venezuela-oil-revenue.htmlThe order, which declared a national emergency, said the funds are the sovereign property of Venezuela held in U.S. custody for governmental and diplomatic means, and are not assets subject to private claims. Any use of judicial process against the funds will interfere with efforts to “ensure economic and political stability in Venezuela,” the order says.
how was delta force able to create a full scale mockup
of the bunker? Where did they get that intelligence from?
>>2639527Probably, for some reason the left is insanely naive about the technological capabilities, namely the black project ones, of the US military. Sasers, EM wave, lasers, particle beams, and so on. The military has had all of these and more for decades, though not always in field ready form. And this is just offensive capability, there's also the crazy stuff in stealth, surveillance, and propulsion; again some of these innovations are decades old.
The DoD and DoE laboratories and the major military contractors that are just extensions of the pentagon are at the top of the scientific and engineering food chain with nobody in close second. Their tech is anywhere from 30-70 years ahead of anything civilian in pretty much every field (though I've never liked that framing since technological advance is not some predictable, linear 4X video game tech tree).
Libertarians with their "muh private sector is more innovative duh gubmint" line are so wrong it's actually funny.
>>2639656Probably a mix of spies and advanced sensor and imaging technology.
>>2639687Based, after they do it they can take over Echudador
>>2639656Easiest way is usually through anyone or anything related to its construction
>>2639393could this be weaponized
>>2639705Maybe, not that the US would need to. We probably already have synthetic prion diseases and genetic bioweapons in the secret arsenal.
>>2639610>Opposition leader and former prisoner Ana Margarita Vijil, head of the UNAMOS political movement, told Reuters that those released “are political prisoners, and several of them are our friends.”according to wiki this person is a leftist??? why would trump demand leftists be released
>>2639713but could i dump this bacteria in US oil fields?
>>2638986>>2638986>all this cold war is doing, is reshuffling the economy to wring out the last bits of profitability. By destroying with war and cannibalizing future profits by somewhat developing places in the periphery otherwise slated to be purely resource extraction shitholes.whats the alternative? keep them as resource extraction shitholes and pray for advanced countries to share some scraps? for some reason these critiques are always directed and the periphery for developing instead of the core for not doing their own revolution that would pre-empt the need for alter-developmentalist paths
or maybe you mean the third worldists hoards should come and take it? le already developed enough for full communism imperialism is a global system understanders never seem to have a plan for how the abundance gets to the people who need it
>>2639687extremely based. annex panama
>>2639833Venezuela is not a proletariat state
>>2639833this is not a good comparison though
Keeping local bourgeosie around ends up being a serious liability who can hijack state capitalism, and Lenin was talking about literally a couple of years, this is dramatically longer with no obvious attempt to move past this point.
>>2639867oh ok ya ill just take ur word for it lol
>>2639873and people say the same about china but they are wrong and china is communist. i just dont have the quotes already made
>>2639878China is also massively more capable of controlling its own local bourgeoisie. They will continue to be a threat to anyone who's at risk of major foreign interference. This is a matter of practicality, not gotchas.
>>2639878he's right it isn't a proletariate state, not even under Chavez.
>>2639489What is this from?
>>2639892>it isn't a proletariate state
>state owned companies operate under a ideologically socialist-driven party.it is a proletarian state.
>>2639934>state owned companies operate under a ideologically socialist-driven party.this doesn't happen in Venezuela
>>2639979Listen ultra, the generals administering the state owned energy business are struggling, their Switzerland bank account barely crosses the seven digits so the rolling black outs will continue.
>>2639527>“I’m sending a warning to anyone who thinks they can fight the United States,” he said. “They have no idea what they’re capable of. After what I saw, I never want to be on the other side of that again. They’re not to be messed with.”100% real witness account
>>2639934 Unfortunately, it is more apt to classify Venezuela and Bukina Faso as Ba'athist-esque socialist-inclined state rather than a true ML party-state, with corresponding weaknesses. Venezuela still retains liberal democratic structure unlike full blown party-state as in DPRK, PRC, SRV. Do not expect miracles.
>>2639934If Trotsky seized control of the USSR and enforced a return to the NEP and selling off of the industry to Germany, as he had planned to do, would that still be a proletarian state just because he proclaimed it to be so? That's Chavismo, explicitly so.
>Assad has dirty bombs
>Maduro has dirty oil
Americans have dirty minds.
>>2639979it does. all the companies in Venezuela, strategic ones are all under the Venezuelan government, Chavez re-nationalized oil/gas, and nationalized electricity, water and telecom ones.
and the party essentially praises Marx, Fidel, and other socialist figures.
it's a de-facto proletarian state.
>>2640050> all the companies in Venezuela, strategic ones are all under the Venezuelan government,wrong
>>2640044why do proletariat leaders have bank accounts in switzerland to begin with?
>>2640064You can't trade with the West without USD bank accounts. When you are trading with China, you need Chinese bank accounts in RMB (although they take USD as well)
>>2640060>no u.typical.
>>2640064>reading comprehension died in its way to mars. >>2640067why would the Venezuelean state need to use Maduro's personal bank account to trade you stupid fucking retard.
holy fucking shit
>>2640067eh, the answer it's more simpler, let me school the little cretin:
>>2640072ey, you twat, it's not illegal to anyone to open bank accounts anywhere else, as long it meets their local laws. banking offshoring isn't illegal.
the xit it's a cia psyop and originated there because:
a) they don't say Maduro has a bank account there.
b) even if he had one (I am planning to offshore a bank account, for example), it's not stated they have evidence of a corruption-linked bank account.
cope and seethe, faggot.
>There’s no single exact official figure published by Venezuela’s government right now that clearly states what share of the economy (GDP) is owned by the state, but we do have estimates and economic research that help understand the situation:
>📌 General Estimates of State Ownership in Venezuela
>According to broad economic profiles, the private sector controls roughly two-thirds of Venezuela’s GDP, which implies the public/state sector accounts for the remaining ~30–35 % of economic output. This is based on data indicating that private actors are responsible for about about 66-70 % of GDP activity, implying the state’s share is the balance (around 30 %) — though these figures are approximate and vary by source.
>🧾 What That Means
>State-owned enterprises and public sector activities — including major companies like the oil giant PDVSA and other public corporations — play a significant role in sectors such as oil, mining, utilities, and basic industries. But in aggregate GDP terms, they don’t dominate the entire economy.
>The state’s direct economic footprint (measured as a share of GDP under state control) appears to be significant but not a majority — roughly ~30 % — based on the portion not attributed to the private sector in some economic profiles.
>⚠️ Important Caveats
>Different ways of measuring “state ownership” (e.g., share of total production, government spending, assets, enterprises) yield different percentages.
>Venezuela’s statistical reporting has been inconsistent and delayed in recent years, so external estimates are often used.
>Some economic activity (like informal or illicit production) isn’t captured well in official GDP, which complicates precise calculations.
>Bottom line: A commonly cited rough estimate is that around 30 % of Venezuela’s economic output is directly tied to state-owned or public sector activities, with the remaining roughly two-thirds produced by private sector activity — but exact up-to-date figures are not consistently published.
Only 1/3rd of the Venezuelean economy is publicly owned, but please, tell me more about how this bourgeois state is a proletariat one.
>inb4 muh IA
post ANY source that states otherwise, retard
>>2640072It wasn't a personal account, it was Venezuelan sovereign account which Westoid press misrepresents as Maduro's
>>2640078this tweet states the Swiss authorities are freezing assets linked to Nicolas Maduro, not the Venezuelean government.
>>2640074>let me not include in my analysis that sanctions targeted public owned companies, like PDVSA, CVG, metallurgic and other mining companies.>Absolute state of leftcom.>yfwcheck now how much the GDP accounted the public sector before sanctions. go on, rarted. 😘😘😘😘
protip: the only company that provides most of US dollars, adn other currencies, for imports, it's on the state control. without it, there wouldn't be any GDP generation in the country.
>>2640074It's less than 1/3, Venezuelan state oversees companies' activities through share ownership and such. It's more like Russia's Gasprom than China's PetroChina or Sinopec.
>>2640079Tweet lies. Why would Venezuela commit trading with foreign entities through Maduro's personal account, lmao?
>Muh sanctions
age old cope
The USSR was sanctioned by everything and turned into a superpower in less than 50 years
>>2640079holly shit you are stupid for the sakes of being stupid.
>>2640083Venezuela is much less developed than USSR was. They don't have natural resources to pull off an autarky, either.
>>2640087he needs to set up a bar somewhere where Venezuela isn't salvageable.
>socialist state: no>proletarian state:>defending their sovereignty: noimagine acting as a 'leftist' with that attitude.
>>2640083you don't search what I've asked:
<check now how much the GDP accounted the public sector before sanctions. go on, rarted. 😘😘😘😘 >>2640086Are you? The press release states it will freeze assets related to Maduro and people related to Maduro, not any government account
https://www.news.admin.ch/en/newnsb/4mdMVbqPTwY-5XoVHeNVP>The new asset freezes under the FIAA target individuals>target individuals>target individuals>target individualsfucking dumb ass
>>2640092yes, you are:
>>2640073>ey, you twat, it's not illegal to anyone to open bank accounts anywhere else, as long it meets their local laws. banking offshoring isn't illegal.>the xit it's a cia psyop and originated there because:>a) they don't say Maduro has a bank account there. >b) even if he had one (I am planning to offshore a bank account, for example), it's not stated they have evidence of a corruption-linked bank account.
>cope and seethe, faggot. >>2640089age old cope
>>2640087>Venezuela doesn't have natural resourcesnice b8
>>2640090I don't have to prove your own argument as true, you fucking retard
>>2640092Are pretending to be a retard or are you a retard? They are using this excuse to block the state from trade. When asked about it, they make a stupid face and say that "well, Venezuela should remove those people from power, then they can trade normally!" Similarly, they are sanctioning some Chinese general, "associated" with Chinese MIC, and by the proxy of that general they sanction Chinese MIC itself.
>>2640094>I don't have to prove your own argument as true, you fucking retardaw, are you seething, scawwwy of little data to prove you sanctions were aimed to dismantle the state's capability to answer their workers? diminish the proletarian state?
awww radlib angrrrwwwwy.
>>2640093so it turns out your retarded cope here
>>2640078>>2640081was wrong, the accounts are related to Maduro and people related to them.
Surely a socialist leader has made public the balance sheet of said accounts, right?
>>2640099you are not discussing with one single person, read the post carefully. I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, but here, let me quote the post again:
>>2640073>>2640067eh, the answer it's more simpler, let me school the little cretin:>>2640072>ey, you twat, it's not illegal to anyone to open bank accounts anywhere else, as long it meets their local laws. banking offshoring isn't illegal.>the xit it's a cia psyop and originated there because:>a) they don't say Maduro has a bank account there. >b) even if he had one (I am planning to offshore a bank account, for example), it's not stated they have evidence of a corruption-linked bank account.
>cope and seethe, faggot. >>2640099How can Maduro make public balance sheets of private accounts that don't exist in reality? Come on now
>>2640096>They are using this excuse to block the state from trade.https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/venezuela-under-maduro-shipped-gold-worth-52-billion-switzerland-2026-01-06/ >It is unknown if there is any link between any such assets and gold transferred from the central bank.So unless you have any source that states the bank accounts are the same, shut up retard
>>2640102I know there are two of you retards here
>>ey, you twat, it's not illegal to anyone to open bank accounts anywhere else, as long it meets their local laws. banking offshoring isn't illegal.But according to
>>2640096 it is illegal after being sanctioned, so which on is it, retard?
Guys there is sanctions against swiss banking so 2/3rds of our economy must remain in pirvate hands, sorry that's just how the first-stage of socialism works.
>>2640104>>2640106>>2640104holly smokes, they haven't presented proof or evidence at all.
the burden of proof lies o the accuser. As I said, they haven't presented any evidence, lmao, only a CIA-motivated post.
you are a moron.
NAFO-leftcom has been the worst consequence of this war.
>>2640107Unironically, that's what Westoid sanctions are aiming towards.
>>2640111imagine that the guy is so obsessed with state purity, goes on giving face of value to no-evidence based accusations from the eternal enemies of socialism/communism.
>>2640113100% correct. that's why the US
NEVER sanctioned private companies, such as Mendoza's Polar, Scottet's Banesco, Caprile's Cargil (all bourgeoisie) companies.
>>2640111>>2640110>ur CIA>ur NAFO nice tantrum, let's review what we just discussed
>the assets frozen by Swiss authorities target individuals, including Maduro and 36 people related to himsource:
https://www.news.admin.ch/en/newnsb/4mdMVbqPTwY-5XoVHeNVP>there is no proof those assets were related to the trade done by the Venezuelean statesource:
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/venezuela-under-maduro-shipped-gold-worth-52-billion-switzerland-2026-01-06/keep malding
>>2640113utterly fucking delusional
>>2640116oh, I don't mald at guys that literally go this way with the american boots, lmao. you are a mentally ill case.
good projection, though.
>>2640115critical support to bourgeois comapnies such as Medoza's Polar, Scottet's Banesco, Carprile's Cargil in their fight against US Imperialism!!! ✊🚩
>>2640118Right: Venezeuelean bourgs
Left: you
>>2640118The guy is clearly insane, yes.
Anyways, You guys are interrupting my study session, I'll come back in an hour or so to see if any of you have managed to prove that the recent seize of assets by the swiss government was done against a Venezuelean state account and not towards individuals like Maduro and friends, as this fucking retard, implied
>>2640078>>2640067>>2640121I am not giving face of value to the swiss claims posted with no evidence 😘😘😘
but let me put it clearly.
>The Federal Council wants to ensure that any illicitly acquired assets cannot be transferred out of Switzerland in the current situation. Under the Federal Act on the Freezing and the Restitution of Illicit Assets Held by Foreign Politically Exposed Persons (FIAA), it has therefore decided, as a precautionary measure, to freeze any assets held in Switzerland by Mr Maduro and other persons associated with him
>Mr Maduro and other persons
>Mr Maduro
>other persons
>The new asset freezes under the FIAA target individuals who have not previously been sanctioned in Switzerland.
>new asset freezes under the FIAA target individuals
>individuals
Go ahead you fucking idiot, tell me how is it a deniable claim that the asset freeze was done against individuals
>>2640135On a second thought, this wiki article is fucking retarded
>>2640134trust me, twerp, I am not watching whatever media crap you want me to watch.
it's up to the swiss to present undeniable evidence of the existence of such accounts, with the funds, and moreover, to be audited through an independent tribunal, which doesn't exist in the west, that can estipulate if the funds are illegal on its own merits.
giving a CIA-Psyops face of value simply proves that you are brain damaged.
>>2640137the same cia campaign said that Maduro killed hundreds of protesters, and in fact, most of the people that died under the protests were a mixture between security forces, bystanders, and Chavistas.
but hey, better read CNN on human right watch abuses.
>>2640137The goal is to sanction the state via plausible claim that they are sanctioning certain persons only. Even then it's stupid because, usually, it's not allowed to sanction heads of states.
>>2640141>it's up to the swiss to present undeniable evidence of the existence of such accountsthey did
https://www.news.admin.ch/en/newnsb/4mdMVbqPTwY-5XoVHeNVP>>2640142There is no proof that the Swiss are doing that
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/venezuela-under-maduro-shipped-gold-worth-52-billion-switzerland-2026-01-06/
>m-muh CIAThe CIA is forcing Swiss banks to freeze Venezuelean assets, so that's why 2/3rd of the economy must be composed of private firms o algo, bless Bolivarian socialism o algo.
>>2640147The gold originated from Venezuela's central bank, Swiss broadcaster SRF said, at a time when the government was selling down gold to support its economy.
There were no gold exports from Venezuela to Switzerland from 2017, when EU sanctions were imposed, to 2025, customs data showed.
>>2640156Buddy, even Reuters doesn't see a difference between sanctioning Maduro and sanctioning Venezuela
>>2639529>but it may stop the extracurricular excursions with economic bullying and whatnot.It won't. Trump will just ignore congress as he is doing now. Everytime around election season, one or two anons like you will come around here and give the most tepid endorsement to vote for democrats. It's always a pathetic "lesser of two evils" argument.
>>2640137listen twerp, I didn't want to write a wall-text, but there you go, the swiss decision wasn't on the account of that they found something bad, they clearly stated it:
>that a fall from power has occurrednot a
>court-based decisionKeypoint. You can see the bad-faith movement, which should tell you that they are inventing. that alone should tell you it's not a sounding shit, but propaganda for the sakes of propaganda.
Press release:
>The reasons behind Mr Maduro’s fall from power do not play a decisive role (tacit admission that plays a role) for the qualification of these assets as being of illicit origin. Nor does the question of whether the fall from power occurred lawfully or in violation of international law.here's the problem with the above text, the entire mechanism hinges on switzerland withdrawing recognition from Maduro's government and recognizing juan guaidó's interim government in 2019. this is a political, discretionary act of foreign policy. switzerland is using this political act as the foundational fact to trigger a legal mechanism, the asset freezing. this conflates two separate domains, one, international law, the recognition of governments is a political tool. second, the confiscation of property is a legal act requiring judicial safeguards. when they took the legal consequence automatically flow from the political decision, switzerland bypasses the need for an independent court to examine the facts.
It makes the executive branch (the government) the judge in its own causeAlone that above it's enough to ring all the bells, but not only that, this admission severs the legal action from any requirement to prove the illicit origin of the specific assets. unstead, it ties the freeze to a subjective, political event a "fall from power." The law being used (FIAA) is designed to target illicitly acquired assets, not assets belonging to a political figure who has lost recognition from certain foreign powers. This should whir all your nerves telling you that something weird is going on.
also, there's a lack of nexus in the reuters article that you used to justify the motivation. Even if you want to accept allegations of human rights abuses or generalized corruption from the swiss NGO (CIA-NGO), the international law and the swiss FIAA require a direct link between those alleged crimes and the specific assets being frozen. the articles provide no evidence that the 5.2 billion swiss francs in gold were themselves procured through or constitute the proceeds of a specific crime. The gold is a sovereign asset of Venezuela's central bank. Freezing it on the basis of political accusations against individuals is a classic case of guilt by association and lacks the required legal specificity.
the "criminal complaint" is an allegation, not a judgment. switzerland, in it's executive branch, has acted based on this allegation before any swiss court (mind you an international court for the purpose of setting up a sounding, more reasoned and impartial decision) has adjudicated the matter and found the assets to be illicit. this is a pre-judgment, violating the presumption of innocence, and by parroting the text, you swallowed propangada like crazy.
>tl;dr>because you are a dense retard:>they constructed a legal shortcut that made such evidence unnecessary.now, cope all you want, if this text doesn't go through your thick skull, you are irredeemable.
>>2639259>This makes no sense because heavy oil needs specialized equipment to extract. Yes, and that specialized equipment takes loads of money to build and maintain. You need advanced infrastructure to process it, but that in turn makes it more expensive to use. What about this are you not getting?
>You don't need ANY oil company, you need A company that's specifically doing business in heavy oil.I don't think there is a difference. Oil companies will probably have divisions that deal with oil. Like Chevron was involved in Venezuelan oil and is now involved in Guyanese oil, which are 2 different types. This is not as important as you think.
>>2640147already answered:
>>2640161moron.
u kno, the more I think about what the swiss did, obviously orders from washington to create the narrative that Maduro is corrupt, while at the same time proceeds to withheld a foreign-state assets (that people needs), I seriously hope trump steals greeland from the dannish. vassals deserve it.
that truly grinds my gears.
fucking euros.
>>2640161>>2640170that's nice kid, however, here's the problem; the asset freeze done by the FIAA was a precautionary step. Switzerland is not convicting Maduro or the 36 individuals of anything, The Swiss, the Americans and literally every bank in the world do this kind of asset freezes whenever the primary holder is facing some sort of legal process, if anything what the Swiss are doing would benefit Venezuela in case these assets actually belong to the state, (something you keep implying) as it is stopping Maduro, and the other 36 people from trasnfering these funds to another account and emblezze them. The press release by the Swiss literally state so.
>The asset freeze serves to enable any future mutual legal assistance proceedings. So, if we want to take your retarded bullshit spouted here as true
>>2640078 ,
>>2640081 , then what Switzerland is doing has nothing to do with political action against the Venezuelean, but are rather freezing the assets to protect them.
Second, We are discussing wether or not the assets belong to Maduro, and according to the FIAA rules, in order for such a freeze to take place, there must be an on-going investigation or there must be sufficient reasons to assume the funds were acquired illegally, here you fucking retard, even the FIAA states that
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2016/322/en
>foreign politically exposed persons means individuals who are or have been entrusted with prominent public functions by a foreign country, for example heads of State or of government, senior politicians at the national level, senior government, judicial or military officials at the national level, important political party officials at the national level and senior executives of State-owned corporations of national importance;>foreign politically exposed persons means individuals>individuals>indi-fucking-vidualsTherefore, the asset freeze happened against INDIVIDUALS, not againts the Venezuelean state
>not assets belonging to a political figure who has lost recognition from certain foreign powers.Except that is wrong you fucking idiot
> the articles provide no evidence that the 5.2 billion swiss francs in gold were themselves procured through or constitute the proceeds of a specific crime. Correct, the article from Reuters literally states there is no evidence that the asseets froze by the Swiss are the same as the gold transfered by the Venezuelean central bank
>the "criminal complaint" is an allegation, not a judgment.Yes, you fucuking retard, the FIAA literally states that an allegation is all that is necessary to freeze the assets, not because >muh CIA, but because there is the chance that a corrupt head of state transfers these funds somewhere else, and when the new government comes asking for them, they are nowhere to be found as they are no longer under Swiss control
Damn, if only you knew what the actual fuck you are talking about instead of going full shcizo on muh glowinguyghurs.
Please, fucking kill yourself, you are literally wasting valuable air. I am 100% serious
>>2640195>the asset freeze done by the FIAA was a precautionary stepirrelevant, no nexus, no link, no real evidence of corruption. they evaded tribunals.
everything else watered down, makes it irrelavant.
not reading your crap.
>>2640203>no real evidence of corruption.They don't need one you fucking idiot, all they need is the assumption
>not reading your crap.Next time, don't reply either, save yourself the embarassment
>>2640197>anti-communist memeyou are free to go, we will be communists for longer, way longer than you will be another chud that chews cia propaganda.
>>2640205>anti-communist memegod fucking damn it, you are so fucking retarded you can't even understand a fucking meme
a fucking meme
>>2640204>all they need is the assumptionLMAO, that's
an assumption not present in the frozen asset note from the swiss government. I can make the assumption that I am talking to a chimp, does that make you a chimp?
for the record, I do believe you are a booging-eating chimp it's present in the reuters note, that they went to apply a mechanism that doesn't apply to international assets:
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/venezuela-under-maduro-shipped-gold-worth-52-billion-switzerland-2026-01-06/do you even read what you present here?
>>2640206boyo, why you want to project?
>>2640209Are you literally fucking stupid?
>It is unknown if there is any link between any such assets and gold transferred from the central bank.
>It is unknown if there is any link between any such assets and gold transferred from the central bank.
>It is unknown if there is any link between any such assets and gold transferred from the central bank.What does that mean you fucking imbecile?
>>2640209 (me)
also, the FIAA applies to
assets-based accounts, not to simply individuals. they are 100% blocking Venezuelan funds, given the thin legal move they did.
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/eda/en/documents/aussenpolitik/finanzplatz-wirtschaft/06-SRVG_EN.pdf (also, attached document)
>>2640213>>It is unknown if there is any link between any such assets and gold transferred from the central bank.that you want to believe that they are individual-based accounts. I have evidence it's not limited to individuals.
what are you going to say now? you stupid cretin?
>>2640214>they are 100% blocking Venezuelan fundsAnd by doing so, they would be protecting the Venezuelan funds from the probability being emblezzed by Maduro and his friends, as that is the goal of the asset freeze, stopping Foreign Politically Exposed Persons from moving those assets before the legal process takes place and determines the origini of these funds, something that has happened before.
Even if we wanted to assume your retarded schizo rambling is true, which is not because here
https://www.news.admin.ch/en/newnsb/4mdMVbqPTwY-5XoVHeNVPThe swiss stated that they are targeting individuals, not the legal entity known as the Venezeuelan state.
FUCKING RETARD >>2640219 (You)
>Even if we wanted to assume your retarded schizo rambling is true, which is not because here https://www.news.admin.ch/en/newnsb/4mdMVbqPTwY-5XoVHeNVP the swiss stated that they are targeting individuals, not the legal entity known as the Venezeuelan state, <your retarded argument would make no sense, as the freeze is literally a precautionary messure to defend Venezuela assets.forgot to finish my sentence and had to format it again because I know you are incredibly stupid and will have trouble uunderstanding it.
>>2640215as I said, you were wrong that the FIAA can't target individuals. I was proving explicitly that's not right. read it carefully what's stated in this post:
>>2640214.
awwww poor tired soon ex-anti-communist is tired and can't read that I wasn't talking that the FIAA applies to sovereign funds. however, they've never provided evidence the funds aren't national funds, always evading tribunals, those easily applying layers of propaganda to whatever leader they deem inconvenient for international interests.
basically, they freeze sovereign funds, since they don't have to provide evidence due to the maneuver they can claim whatever shit.
what's true:
The move it's a 'frozen under' a 'state dysfunction/uncertainty' (which on itself doesn't declare the funds as illegal) they've done in the past, several time, often without proving the assets were illegal in nature,
>Tunisia:https://www.fdfa.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/fdfa/aktuell/news.html/content/eda/en/meta/news/2013/1/29/47591>Ivory Coasthttps://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/democratic-republic-congo/en/home/news/news.html/content/eda/en/meta/news/2011/1/19/37286Ukraine:
https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/fdfa/aktuell/news.html/content/eda/en/meta/news/2023/2/15/93078IN NO CASE, WHEN THEY RETURNED THE ASSETS, THEY DIDN'T SO CLAIMING THEY WERE INDIVIDUAL ASSETS, OR SOVERIEGN FUNDS, ILLICIT ASSETS OR NOTthat way they can always do the maneuver, make a nation suffer, and do propaganda against the authorities of the state they wanted to oust. and ofc you eat the propaganda, you swallow, you clean your throat, and get a swollen tummy filling it with such an obvious trap.
go to sleep, chud-next-to-be.
we are in 2026, believing in anti-communists makes you one.
>>2640195>using an excuse of investigating into Maduro to freeze Venezuelan wealthYikes
>>2640234I never stated that the FIAA can't freeze legal entities, quote the post where I did, My argument has always been that the asset freeze reported in Jan 5 was done against individuals, not against the Venezuelean state
You have been rambling for hours claiming that it was actually a 5D chess move by the glowinguyghurs, without a single piece of evidence to back this up.
>read it carefully what's stated in this post:What is stated in that post is that the FIAA can freeze assets in accouunts of legal entities insofar as the accounts of these legal entities are under the control of the person facing a legal process, however, that si fucking =irrelevant== because in the report of jan 5, it is stated that the asset freeze was done against individuals, not against any legal entity
>they've never provided evidence the funds aren't national fundsPost evidence that they do then, you schizo retard
fucking retarded mouthbreather
>we are in 2026, believing in anti-communists makes you one.that's what I am saying, you are a fucking fool for trusting a social democRAT like Maburro
>>2640238Again, retard, feel free to prove that the assets that were frozen belonged to the Venezuelan state.
You won't and if you will, all you will be doing is proving that Maduro and friends are is using their own personal accounts to store Venezuelan state assets, because the FIAA is freezing assets found in Maduro's and his friend's accounts
>>2640247I don't need to prove that assets belong to Venezuelan state, because they themselves say that assets were blocked IN CONNECTION to Maduro.
Besides, are you seriously claiming that Maduro ws owning how much tonnes of gold now?
>>2640252>Besides, are you seriously claiming that Maduro ws owning how much tonnes of gold now?Are you stupid? read
>>2640213 again
>I don't need to prove that assets belong to Venezuelan stateyes you do. Because the Swiss are frozen assets related to Maduro and 36 individuals, not the legal entity known as the Venezuelan state
>>2640247>the FIAA can't freeze legal entitieshere
>>2640213. you want to make clear distinction between individual assets and foreign assets.
just because reuter didn't s-said s-so!. don't act dumb now.
>Jan 5 was done against individuals, not against the Venezuelean stateand you have failed to provide evidence, the same way the swiss government has failed to provide evidence in each time they have done the movement that the frozen asset was:
>individual or foreign>of illicit or notwhen they returned the assets, case like Tunisia, for example. and the fact you didn't reply with a swiss concrete after-release evidence, because you are insanely obsessed to prove Maduro is corrupt, shows me you couldn't find any, because that's something I've been knowing waaaay before this conversation have happened.
>You have been rambling for hoursactually enjoying making you my bitch. yea, every time you show you swallow anti-communist propaganda, I have made you my bitch.
>5D chess move by the glowinguyghurs, without a single piece of evidence to back this up. the same way the swiss will never provide evidence that the funds were illicit or not foreign assets because they didn't take the maneuver into courts.
>it is stated that the asset freeze was done against individualsthey have stated this IN EVERY TIME THERE'S A REGIME CHANGE THAT SUITS WASHINGTON, lmao, little twerp. can you connect the idea of why I provided the cases of Tunisia, Syria, Ivory Coast, Ukraine? are you really this stupid? or maybe you need to take a time out?
>Post evidence that they do then, you schizo retardok, yeah, zelinsky will tell me if Yanukovych's funds were national funds, or not, illegal or not. sure buddy. no government has publicly released a customary or summarized document showing that. read the room, imbecile.
>hat's what I am saying, you are a fucking fool for trusting a social democRAT like Maburrorunning out of arguments, huh?
>>2640261>you want to make clear distinction between individual assets and foreign assets. No retard, that post doesn't state I ever said the FIAA can't freeze assets controlled by legal entities. In that post I am quoting Reuters where it says that it is unknown that the assets frozen this year are related to the gold deposits that took place in the past. You need to prove the assets frozen by the FIAA and these gold reserves are the same.
Everytome you have been asked to do so you recoil tu >muh CIA
>and you have failed to provide evidence,I already did, you fucking retard
>>2640116
>actually enjoying making you my bitch.you literally conceded here kek
>>2640203
>the same way the swiss will never provide evidence that the funds were illicitthey don't need to, you fucking idiot
>>2640195So either you are too stupid to understand this, or Maburro is too stupid to read the terms and conditions before doing any business with the Swiss
>they have stated this IN EVERY TIME THERE'S A REGIME CHANGE THAT SUITS WASHINGTONYes you fucking retard, the Swiss have precautionary measures in place to stop polititians facing a legal process from runing away with funds deposited in their account before it is determined if they are guilty or not, this isn't >muh imperialism is how banking works, you fucking retard.
>read the roomso no evidence
>running out of argumentsyou did here
>>2640203 >>2640266>You need to prove the assets frozen by the FIAA and these gold reserves are the same>i have to prove something the swiss government never proves, not even after releasing the funds.absolutely rarted.
>Everytome you have been asked to do so you recoil tu >muh CIAbecause it is.
>I already did, you fucking retard ah, little twerpo, you aren't even pretending to read. do you really need to sleep? this post:
>>2640116 doesn't provide evidence that
AFTER RELEASE they published a customary or summary document where the evidence that it was of illicit origin or not, sovereign or not is taken into account.
little twerpoooooo can you even read?
"they don't need to, you fucking idiot"HOLLY SHIT, BATMAN.
now, I have evidence that I can report you. you take the claims of the swiss government in good-faith. lmao.
>muh imperialism is how banking works, you fucking retard.ah, you know how international swiss banks work. maybe in langley they teach you, you fucking larper. lmao.
>>2640268lucky, for us, the Swiss already told us what they are freezing here
>>2640116
>because it is.ok schizo, again, let's assume thats the case, why did Maburro sent the Venezuelan gold there instead of exchanging it with China for industry?
>where the evidence that it was of illicit origin or notthere is no need to you fucking retard, see
>>2640195, if the funds are suspected to be of illegal source, they can be frozen
>WTF that's not fairand yet, Maburro decided to send their gold there
>can you even read?clearly you can't, as I explained this point in detail here
>>2640195
> I have evidence that I can report you.sure, report me for literally quoting the FIAA, retard, I'll report you for reporting in bad faith, hhere, I'll quote it again so mods can see how much of an illiterate retard you are
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2016/322/enIn order to support future cooperation within the framework of mutual legal assistance proceedings with the country of origin, the Federal Council may order the freezing of assets in Switzerland:
a.
over which foreign politically exposed persons or their close associates have power of disposal;
b.
of which foreign politically exposed persons or their close associates are the beneficial owners; or
c.
which belong to a legal entity:
1.
through which foreign politically exposed persons or their close associates hold direct or indirect power of disposal over those assets, or
2.
of which foreign politically exposed persons or their close associates are the beneficial owners.
2 An asset freeze shall be admissible if the following conditions are met:
a.
the government or certain members of the government of the country of origin have lost power, or a change in power appears inexorable;
b.
the level of corruption in the country of origin is notoriously high;
c.
it appears likely that the assets were acquired through acts of corruption, criminal mismanagement or other felonies;
d.
the safeguarding of Switzerland's interests requires the freezing of the assets.
I understand that you are beyond fucuking stupid, buut I am not making any moral judgement here, I am not saying the swiss are right, I am quoting their law. It's in their national interest to freeze assets based solely in assumptions, nowhere have I ever stated this is "good"
fucking liar.
>you know how international swiss banks work.and yet Maburro sent Venezuelan gold there., funny how you have yet to counter this arguument.
>that's how imperialism work
glad that you finally accept China and Russia are imperialist nations, as their banking systems have similar laws.
>China’s banking and financial regulators have a robust AML/CFT (anti-money laundering/combating the financing of terrorism) regime that requires banks and financial institutions to monitor, report, and in some cases temporarily freeze suspicious transactions or accounts on request from law enforcement. Key features include: Financial institutions must report suspicious transactions and large transfers to the People’s Bank of China (PBoC) and law enforcement. If law enforcement initiates an investigation, institutions may be required to freeze related funds temporarily and report them. Law enforcement may request continued freezing beyond a short period, and banks are obliged to comply until formally notified otherwise.
>Russia’s legal and banking system follows AML/CFT standards similar to international norms — banks must freeze funds on order from law enforcement or courts when there’s a criminal or administrative case. There’s also involvement of the Central Bank of Russia and regulators in AML oversight.
>What does exist is related to Russia’s evolving legislative reaction to Western freezing of Russian assets overseas: In 2025, Russia moved forward with legislation to expand powers to seize assets of foreign individuals/entities in Russia in retaliation for Western freezes on Russian assets. This is a reciprocal / retaliatory framework, not a principled anti-corruption asset recovery law like Switzerland’s. This means: Rather than a neutral legal tool to prevent flight of illicit assets, Russia’s proposals are more about retaliatory seizure when foreign states freeze Russian assets abroad.
There we have it, no such thing as "anti-imperialism" it all just inter-imperialist conflicts as it's literally common sense to stop suspected criminals from having access to their bank accounts
>>2640275All available empirical data suggests that China and Russia does not have imperialist economies. Russia's main export are resources and not capital. China is still being expropriated more surplus value from Western offshored factories than it gets back from its own foreign investments.
Your whole tirade/angle fails on this crucial blunder: it does not hold up empirically, and thus serves as an ideological crusade against the victims of imperialism while serving the imperialists.
This is why you will be forever known as the NAFO-leftcom, the cringiest troglodyte.
>>2640272>lucky, for us, the Swiss already told us what they are freezing here😱😱😱 they did? under what tribunal? 😱😱😱😱 the fairly oddparents tribunal?
>there is no need to you fucking retardyeah, because the executive branch of every state has the judiciary power to de-facto behave as a tribunal, where evidence can be contested as it should in any court. lmao. you are an absolute moron.
>and yet, Maburro decided to send their gold thereyou are justifying imperialism again.
100 posts above you were attacking Maduro because he lose the proletarian state thanks to sanctions, and now, when a channel it was being used the fucking swiss blocked it without a fair trail, you are now attacking him for using these channels. literally mocking the head of state's decision under imperial coercion that has affected hundreds, thousands of lives.
you are a disgrace of a human being, tbh. not only insane, a disgrace as a human being.
>sure, report me for literally quoting the FIAAno, I am stating: supporting imperialism
now, in the post I am replying here, my next report is: making fun of the suffering of a nation.
>I am not saying the swiss are right, I am quoting their lawI can quote the UN charter and tell you that the US signed it, the president is bind to international treaties by the US constitution, and yet they continuously have stretched the frame of 'self-defense' as a legal device to invade other states, because you know, Gaddafi was a threat, Saddam Hussein had WMDs, Maduro was a narco-terrorist from the now inexistent cartel de los soles. that doesn't make that the law isn't broken everytime washington wants to do so. vassal states like the swiss are, included.
> It's in their national interest to freeze assets based solely in assumptions>what's devaluationyou are trying to frame as if they want to defend their own laws, because they don't have interests, but to abide to their laws. extremely insane.
the countries I've listed, like Tunisia, Ukraine, and others have literally held funds that when they are returned will have a fraction of their purchase power. Tunisia took 15 years, fucking 15 years. do you know how much it was frozen? 60 million CHF by the time, when returned it was devalued to the purchase power of 48 million CHF. Gaddafi: 400 million CHF, released in 2012, it devalued to the purchase power of 350 CHF in the release date.
Ukraine is even still there, 130CHF, devaluing up to now from 2014. it'll be nothing if they ever get these funds.
do you know how valuable is for banks to run a 'banking freeze' of funds? that's why they fucking do it. phew, it's good that I don't know how banks work!
>and yet Maburro sent Venezuelan gold there., funny how you have yet to counter this arguument.I know you want to portrait a person that tried to use international mechanisms instead of *check notes* abandon power, but that only shows you you are a cretin.
>>2640286>China and Russia does not have imperialist economies. but they have laws in place that stop the transfer of funds from bank accounts of people that are facing a legal process, and according to the silly little retard here
>>2640268, that's how imperialist banking works.
cute analysis, sadly you are too retarded to understand sarcasm
>>2640292International banking under the US coercion is a tool of imperialism, yet Maburro decided to do businees with them
that's the true socialist #grindset right there
>>2640287>they did?yes, here>>2640147
>you are an absolute moron.says the retard that doesn't understand that literally every country in earth have asset freezing laws that freeze assets even before a juidiciary process takes place lmao
>you are justifying imperialism again. that's you, you are justifying trading with the west.
>you were attacking Maduro because he lose the proletarian state thanks to sanctionscorrect
>when a channel it was being used the fucking swiss blocked it without a fair trailSo Maduro was using his own account? Make up your autistic mind already, I thought you said the account was owned by a legal entity, the Venezuelan state in this case.
>you are now attacking him for using these channels.yes, ruthless criticism of all that exists
>literally mocking the head of state's decision under imperial coercion that has affected hundreds, thousands of lives.absolutely
>you are a disgrace of a human beingliterally seething and malding because I don't suupport social democRATS lmaoooo
>I am stating: supporting imperialismbut you suupport Maduro trading with the west
>making fun of the suffering of a nation.reported for abusing the report function
>and yet they continuously have stretched the frame of 'self-defense' as a legal device to invade other states, quote a single post made by me where I defend the US
>I know you want to portrait a person that tried to use international mechanisms So who did the account belong to then?
>instead of *check notes* abandon powerI want social democrats to abandon power, correct
>>2640288>we did business with the west knwing we could get sanctiones instead of using that gold to boost productive forcesTruly Dimwit intelligence
the goalposts moved from:
>Maduro is corrupt, here! the undeniable evidence came from the switzerland!
jumped to
>it's ok, all executive branches have tools to froze banking accounts they dim of illegal origin, even if they don't need to present evidence, move the cases to courts, for a decade or more!
to
>they don't need ever to present evidence if it was of illegal origin or not, Sovereign or individual accounts even after they release it! it's ok, guys! the swiss have all the interests to make sure their banking laws are abided!
to
>the fucking Maduro and Venezuelans fucking deserved for existing in the imperialist world (derived from the bretton woods accords, where the US is basically the sole owner of the financial world). fucking Maburro (wordplay calling him dumb), dumb bitch, fucking I hope he dies.
phew, normal person.
Lenin:
>Meanwhile, we must save the gold in the R.S.F.S.R., sell it at the highest price, buy goods with it at the lowest price. When you live among wolves, you must howl like a wolf, while as for exterminating all the wolves, as should be done in a rational human society, we shall act up to the wise Russian proverb: “Boast not before but after the battle”.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/nov/05.htmMaduro:
>Send the gold to Switzerland for free lmao >>2640326At the end of the day, perhaps a bus driver was not qualified to hold the highest government position
>>2640325>Maduro is corrupt, here! the undeniable evidence came from the switzerland!correct
>it's ok, all executive branches have tools to froze banking accounts they dim of illegal origin, even if they don't need to present evidence, move the cases to courts, for a decade or more!>they don't need ever to present evidence if it was of illegal origin or not, Sovereign or individual accounts even after they release it! it's ok, guys! the swiss have all the interests to make sure their banking laws are abided!not my problem you can't understand Swiss law
>the fucking Maduro and Venezuelans fucking deserved for existing in the imperialist world (derived from the bretton woods accords, where the US is basically the sole owner of the financial world). fucking Maburro (wordplay calling him dumb), dumb bitch, fucking I hope he dies.sophistry
ARGH! we really really hate the west so much but we sent them 127 metric tonnes of gold to the west!!
#socialist_grindset
update of
the goalposts moved from:
>Maduro is corrupt, here! the undeniable evidence came from the switzerland!
jumped to
>it's ok, all executive branches have tools to froze banking accounts they dim of illegal origin, even if they don't need to present evidence, move the cases to courts, for a decade or more!
to
>they don't need ever to present evidence if it was of illegal origin or not, Sovereign or individual accounts even after they release it! it's ok, guys! the swiss have all the interests to make sure their banking laws are abided!
to
>the fucking Maduro and Venezuelans fucking deserved for existing in the imperialist world (derived from the bretton woods accords, where the US is basically the sole owner of the financial world). fucking Maburro (wordplay calling him dumb), dumb bitch, fucking I hope he dies.
to
<PHHHEW the corruption is proven because Venezuela did business with the west!
BWAHAHAHA, normal person.
I wonder what Lenin has to say about unchecked trade with capitalist powers…
>>2635238He couldn't do the same thing as with China because unlike China, the US is interested in Venezuela for raw resource extraction and not manufacturing. So I have no idea what he would actually do, but he would go with a pragmatic approach, which could be either:
1. Trying to pay off the US, agreeing to give some free oil to the US in exchange for peace without handing over actual control of the reserves to US companies and PMCs.
2. Call the bluff on full-scale war, move the government and military leadership to live deep underground at all times with all tunnel entrances heavily guarded. Attack the blockade by arming every tanker with soldiers operating fiber-optic FPVs or rigging them to blow to prevent seizures, denying the US the ability to loot free oil and ships and forcing them to blow up tankers from a distance, which will cost a lot of munitions due to the sheer size of tankers. This would also force them to deal with an even more expensive cleanup or else suffer an extreme PR hit for causing several environmental disasters, ultimately culminating in negative aura points and negative effect on the budget which is the opposite of what the Trump admin wants. Disperse and hide military units equipped with MANPADs and drones in the jungles and urban areas to move about randomly. Overall, create a situation where the viable attack option is a protracted war and force the Trump admin to either pussy out or bite the bullet and go all-in.
>>2640354>the US is interested in Venezuela for raw resource extraction and not manufacturingNo, USA is interested in killing off competing oil extracting nations for the purpose of USA becoming, finally after all these years, a gas station with nukes
>>2640356It would be impossible for them to kill off Russia though. And killing off the Middle East oil states would be a huge and extremely expensive shitshow that I don't think they can pull off at the moment. Not to mention the small but significant oil output from their NATO allies Canada and Norway
>>2640374we are talking about leftcommunism, it's their drivel.
he might as well use the same arguments about Palestine, and all of them would have justified genocide from the 'left'.
I apologize, from now on I am going to falsify and misinterpret communist theory so that I allign myself with the interest of the 3rd world bourgeois in the fight against 1st world bourgeois.
True communist revolution is when that bourg finally beats that other bourg.
silly me.
with no remorse, doubling down, with more snarky comments. in spite of the Palestinian struggle: fuck 'em, they are not going to achieve communism! they fully deserve the genocide they are in for
doing business with the west FUCKING SPECIALLY WITH ISRAEL: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/psebecause of course, he can't take two notches down, and fuck off this thread.
some posts above, he ponders:
hhmmmm what would Lenin have said….
doesn't ponder what would have said about anti-imperialist struggles with national bourgeoisie on the periphery.
that'd be dangerous reasoning for his poor judgement. in the end, all ends in this figure:
>>2640339, but starting with hating Lenin:
>fifth, the need for a determined struggle against attempts to give a communist colouring to bourgeois-democratic liberation trends in the backward countries; the Communist International should support bourgeois-democratic national movements in colonial and backward countries only on condition that, in these countries, the elements of future proletarian parties, which will be communist not only in name, are brought together and trained to understand their special tasks, i.e., those of the struggle against the bourgeois-democratic movements within their own nations. The Communist International must enter into a temporary alliance with bourgeois democracy in the colonial and backward countries, but should not merge with it, and should under all circumstances uphold the independence of the proletarian movement even if it is in its most embryonic form.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jun/05.htm>>2640404"Only when every third world nation is controlled by the comprador bourgeoisie serving the first world bourgeoisie can the true communist revolution." - NAFO-leftcom mantra
>>2640460You don't understand what a comprador is, lmao
>Muh voltYou are an inverted fascist. A fascist with a few extra steps.
>>2640447in fact, none of the English tagged accounts, like KKE or IDC reposted the news. which makes me understand they know who enrique marquez is.
>>2640410>and should under all circumstances uphold the independence of the proletarian movement even if it is in its most embryonic formWhy is it so hard to understand? Also there is no backwards or colonial country left in the world.
>>2640472I dont use twitter but imagine at least ten of those retweets are by associates, the author, the orgs front group accounts, etc.
>there's no backwards country left in the world!
that's what the average westleftcom believes.
>>2640474>Also there is no backwards or colonial country left in the world.lol
>>2640428Why are they like this?
Why are 95% of the posts in this thread by some idiot leftcom slurping up westoid propaganda about Maduro's nonexistent bank accounts in Switzerland? Since 2019 Britain froze Venezuela's gold reserves and the Chavistas have had ample time to prepare counter-moves. Maduro has had 6+ years to move financial assets to non-Western countries. China and Venezuela have extensive trade and financial ties; if I were Venezuelan I would have moved financial investments to China in coordination with China's government which could assist in setting up shell companies to evade sanctions, or stashed it away in Hong Kong if I wanted to prioritize liquidity over absolute safety/secrecy. But no we have retarded Westerns in this thread pretending like Reuters is the height of objectivity and blindly trusting everything Western media prints lmao. You'd have to be genuinely retarded to think Maduro would keep money stored in Switzerland after the Brits stole Venezuela's gold.
>>2640485Because the jannies cannot be bothered.
>>2640485>leftcom slurping up westoid propagandaCan someone explain to me why do they ALWAYS do this?
>>2640490>pointing out imperialism exists and that the imperial core population has false beliefs about it = moralismThey need to change the name of this website to /rightypol/ already.
>>2640508This is what it’s really about. The U.S. is attempting to fracture socialist collaboration and trade in the region. The PSUV will survive but they’re going to be forced to do business with the U.S. under heavy tariffs and not China or Cuba.
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