reposting
>>2631051>>2631022from the three, only Sheinbaum was actually meaningful with Venezuela. always, at least being nice and courteous with no snark comments.
the other two sold out. with their speeches, they alienated the needed international, always staying put the anti-imperialist sentiment.
petro: pact transition to democracy across all political parties (Maduro won, he needed no pact).
lula: we are concerned about Venezuela democracy.
his chief advisor, celso amorin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1IJ5kWV49Q literally rallied to block Venezuela's ascension to the BRICS.
the two are crying tears, but they helped a lot.
>>2631127i have no reason to believe american pollsters, any more than i have reason to believe american mainstream media. but even if it's true, it's irrelevant.
>>2631125What actually happened
>Venezuela: Maduro won the election but can't prove it! Also, we're going to invade Guyana!>Brazil: What the fuck?>Venezuela: The Brazilian election was stolen! Lula is a CIA shill!>Brazil: OK, we're blocking you from BRICS then. >>2631135maduro is right btw, and the "brazillian election was stolen" is MADE UP by media
>>2631144 (me) i say that as a brazillian, lula is a dirty social fascist and neoliberal with red tint
>>2631135Four more years of squid
china status?
>>2631149It is definitely higher. Venezuela has gypsy level hate in Latin America
>>2631143This is so schizo I cant tell if this is pro maduro or anti-maduro
>>2631147they're having to take the tanker seizure on the chin, but they have no incentive to modify their non-interventionist status, because american retreat into the western hemisphere is ultimately an american retreat from the south china sea. multipolarity doesn't just mean the retreat of unilateral hegemony in general, but the intensification of that hegemony's fortifications closer to home, and a revival of the primacy of the monroe doctrine, as many have already tirelessly pointed out. and that's assuming the hemispheric retreat is real and not just a meme.
>>2631152it's theological schizobabble, but since it's an american evangelical megachurch it's safe to assume it's pro-imperialist rhetoric.
>>2631149>>2631151so what you're saying is that the CIA killed all the non-cucks down there
>>2631151>>2631149I think they just hate Venezuelans as opposed to the country and government itself. The country being "socialist" just makes them hate it more but I think they hate the people more than anything.
>>2631149It's already so bad in North America, I can't imagine how much worse it is in South America, honestly.
>>2631143>One World Order>We beat the resetLMFAO, this got to be ironic
You know what to do.
https://www.instagram.com/yehudimomrim (Go to her stories)
>>2631159>>2631149>>2631151fuck venezuelan gusanos, they have feed most of the anti-communism in the region.
>>2631160it has more to do with racism and anti-inmigration sentiments also. the typical "they are stealing our jobs" and shit
>>2631161>the facade on that buildingugh looks like those awful five-over-one apartment buildings. mixed material facades like that are engineering disasters waiting to happen.
>lord of hostsleftover polytheism in the old testament from when yahweh was a war god in the canaanite pantheon btw
>>2631166anon but she said persians and iranians only
>>2631144>>2631145>Maduro is rightNo, he isn't. He was literally just parroting right-wing conspiracy theories about the Brazilian election because he was pissed off at Lula for daring to question him.
>>2631165it's real
https://www.facebook.com/reel/853000340878110>MAGA cultist Hank Kunneman purports to speak for God in declaring that the US capture of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro was "the work of the oil of my spirit": "They say you have seized Venezuela for the oil. Yes, this is true." Posted from previous thread
>>2630952Yeah there’s no industrialist left in the U.S. every porky wants do usury, renting, and land speculation. Especially now with the tariffs and free money being pumped into the stock market. The trump regime would have to at bare minimum turn off the free money spigot before chevron or Exxon considered investing in new refineries instead of making a stupid app or sitting on real estate.
>>2631172>>2631144smells like samefagging.
Maduro never questioned the legitimacy of Brazil's election. he ran to congratulate immediately lula's winning ticket.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/latin-americas-pink-tide-leaders-congratulate-brazils-lula-election-win-2022-10-31it was lula who didn't recognize Maduro and called for 'transparency' in 2024
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/15/lula-maduro-venezuela-election?utm_source=chatgpt.comas I said, neither lula nor petro are a hope.
similar to Chile's boric or the presidential candidate for the 'communist party', last name Jara.
>>2631167>fuck venezuelan gusanos, they have feed most of the anti-communism in the region.truth nuke
>>2631172>No, he isn't. He was literally just parroting right-wing conspiracy theories about the Brazilian election because he was pissed off at Lula for daring to question him.everything is made up btw, maduro only said that the venezuelan electoral system was more secure than brazil one's
considering brazil has a deep corrupt politics of coronelism which the TSE wont even dare to investigate related with corruption amongside public finances that often overlords have, yea… he is right
Energy secretary to attend conference with oil executives this week: Sources
The Trump administration is working to meet with oil representatives this week to discuss Venezuela, according to two sources familiar with the talks.
It comes just days after the U.S. carried out an operation to capture Nicolas Maduro. Following that raid, President Donald Trump has insisted the U.S. oil companies will begin to reinvest in Venezuela.
Sources said Energy Secretary Christopher Wright is planning to attend a conference with top oil executives in Florida this week hosted by Goldman Sachs.
While the meeting was arranged before the operation took place, sources expect a large focus of the talks to be on Venezuelan energy
Meanwhile, sources said the administration is also looking to meet with representatives from Exxon, ConocoPhillips and Chevron. It's unclear if the administration will meet with those representatives separately or together.
A senior administration official told ABC News that Wright and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will be leading the effort on behalf of the president.
The White House declined to comment on any potential meetings. The Department of Energy has not yet responded to a request for comment.
In a statement, a White House spokesperson said, "All of our oil companies are ready and willing to make big investments in Venezuela that will rebuild their oil infrastructure, which was destroyed by the illegitimate Maduro regime. American oil companies will do an incredible job for the people of Venezuela and will represent the United States well."
ABC
>How Delcy Rodríguez courted Donald Trump and rose to power in VenezuelaMIAMI (AP) — In 2017, as political outsider Donald Trump headed to Washington, Delcy Rodríguez spotted an opening.
Then Venezuela's foreign minister, Rodríguez directed Citgo — a subsidiary of the state oil company — to make a $500,000 donation to the president's inauguration. With the socialist administration of Nicolas Maduro struggling to feed Venezuela, Rodríguez gambled on a deal that would have opened the door to American investment. Around the same time, she saw that Trump's ex-campaign manager was hired as a lobbyist for Citgo, courted Republicans in Congress and tried to secure a meeting with the head of Exxon.
The charm offensive flopped. Within weeks of taking office, Trump, urged by then-Sen. Marco Rubio, made restoring Venezuela's democracy his driving focus in response to Maduro's crackdown on opponents. But the outreach did bear fruit for Rodríguez, making her a prominent face in U.S. business and political circles and paving the way for her own rise.
“She's an ideologue, but a practical one,” said Lee McClenny, a retired foreign service officer who was the top U.S. diplomat in Caracas during the period of Rodríguez's outreach. "She knew that Venezuela needed to find a way to resuscitate a moribund oil economy and seemed willing to work with the Trump administration to do that."
Nearly a decade later, as Venezuela’s interim president, Rodríguez's message — that Venezuela is open for business — seems to have persuaded Trump. In the days since Maduro's stunning capture Saturday, he's alternately praised Rodríguez as a “gracious” American partner while threatening a similar fate as her former boss if she doesn't keep the ruling party in check and provide the U.S. with “total access” to the country's vast oil reserves. One thing neither has mentioned is elections, something the constitution mandates must take place within 30 days of the presidency being permanently vacated.
This account of Rodríguez's political rise is drawn from interviews with 10 former U.S. and Venezuelan officials as well as businessmen from both countries who've had extensive dealings with Rodríguez and in some cases have known her since childhood. Most spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation from someone who they almost universally described as bookishly smart, sometimes charming but above all a cutthroat operator who doesn't tolerate dissent. Rodríguez didn't respond to AP requests for an in
Father’s murder hardens leftist outlook
Rodríguez entered the leftist movement started by Hugo Chávez late — and on the coattails of her older brother, Jorge Rodríguez, who as head of the National Assembly swore her in as interim president Monday.
Tragedy during their childhood fed a hardened leftist outlook that would stick with the siblings throughout their lives. In 1976 — when, amid the Cold War, U.S. oil companies, American political spin doctors and Pentagon advisers exerted great influence in Venezuela — a little-known urban guerrilla group kidnapped a Midwestern businessman. Rodriguez's father, a socialist leader, was picked up for questioning and died in custody.
McClenny remembers Rodríguez bringing up the murder in their meetings and bitterly blaming the U.S. for being left fatherless at the age of 7. The crime would radicalize another leftist of the era: Maduro.
Years later, while Jorge Rodríguez was a top electoral official under Chávez, he secured for his sister a position in the president's office.
But she advanced slowly at first and clashed with colleagues who viewed her as a haughty know-it-all.
In 2006, on a whirlwind international tour, Chávez booted her from the presidential plane and ordered her to fly home from Moscow on her own, according to two former officials who were on the trip. Chávez was upset because the delegation’s schedule of meetings had fallen apart and that triggered a feud with Rodriguez, who was responsible for the agenda.
“It was painful to watch how Chávez talked about her,” said one of the former officials. “He would never say a bad thing about women but the whole flight home he kept saying she was conceited, arrogant, incompetent.”
Days later, she was fired and never occupied another high-profile role with Chávez.
Political revival and soaring power under Maduro
Years later, in 2013, Maduro revived Rodríguez's career after Chávez died of cancer and he took over.
A lawyer educated in Britain and France, Rodríguez speaks English and spent large amounts of time in the United States. That gave her an edge in the internal power struggles among Chavismo — the movement started by Chávez, whose many factions include democratic socialists, military hardliners who Chávez led in a 1992 coup attempt and corrupt actors, some with ties to drug trafficking.
Her more worldly outlook, and refined tastes, also made Rodríguez a favorite of the so-called “boligarchs” — a new elite that made fortunes during Chávez's Bolivarian revolution. One of those insiders, media tycoon Raul Gorrín, worked hand-in-glove with Rodríguez's back-channel efforts to mend relations with the first Trump administration and helped organize a secret visit by Rep. Pete Sessions, a Texas Republican, to Caracas in April 2018 for a meeting with Maduro. A few months later, U.S. federal prosecutors unsealed the first of two money laundering indictments against Gorrin.
After Maduro promoted Rodríguez to vice president in 2018, she gained control over large swaths of Venezuela's oil economy. To help manage the petro-state, she brought in foreign advisers with experience in global markets. Among them were two former finance ministers in Ecuador who helped run a dollarized, export-driven economy under fellow leftist Rafael Correa. Another key associate is French lawyer David Syed, who for years has been trying to renegotiate Venezuela’s foreign debt in the face of crippling U.S. sanctions that make it impossible for Wall Street investors to get repaid.
“She sacrificed her personal life for her political career,” said one former friend.
As she amassed more power, she crushed internal rivals. Among them: once powerful Oil Minister Tareck El Aissami, who was jailed in 2024 as part of an anti-corruption crackdown spearheaded by Rodríguez.
In her de-facto role as Venezuela's chief operating officer, Rodríguez proved a more flexible, trustworthy partner than Maduro. Some have likened her to a sort of Venezuelan Deng Xiaoping — the architect of modern China.
Hans Humes, chief executive of Greylock Capital Management, said that experience will serve her well as she tries to jump-start the economy, unite Chavismo and shield Venezuela from stricter terms dictated by Trump. Imposing an opposition-led government right now, he said, could trigger bloodshed of the sort that ripped apart Iraq after U.S. forces toppled Saddam Hussein and formed a provisional government including many leaders who had been exiled for years.
“We’ve seen how expats who have been outside of the country for too long think things should be the way it was before they left,” said Humes, who has met with Maduro as well as Rodríguez on several occasions. “You need people who know how to work with how things are not how they were.”
Democracy deferred?
Where Rodríguez's more pragmatic leadership style leaves Venezuela's democracy is uncertain.
Trump, in remarks after Maduro's capture, said Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado lacks the “respect” to govern Venezuela despite her handpicked candidate winning what the U.S. and other governments consider a landslide victory in 2024 presidential elections stolen by Maduro.
Elliott Abrams, who served as special envoy to Venezuela during the first Trump administration, said it is impossible for the president to fulfill his goal of banishing criminal gangs, drug traffickers and Middle Eastern terrorists from the Western Hemisphere with the various factions of Chavismo sharing power.
“Nothing that Trump has said suggests his administration is contemplating a quick transition away from Delcy. No one is talking about elections,” said Abrams. “If they think Delcy is running things, they are completely wrong.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/delcy-rodr-guez-courted-donald-215209632.html >>2631203theysa people ganna die?!
>>2631201how did you just have this perfect meme for this specific occasion at the ready?
>>2631208>With the socialist administration of Nicolas Maduro struggling to feed Venezuelaalready reactionary imperialist garbage doing "socialism no food" while ignoring sanctions. slit the throats of people who repeat this
>>2631208>In 2006, on a whirlwind international tour, Chávez booted her from the presidential plane and ordered her to fly home from Moscow on her own, according to two former officials who were on the trip. Chávez was upset because the delegation’s schedule of meetings had fallen apart and that triggered a feud with Rodriguez, who was responsible for the agenda.
>“It was painful to watch how Chávez talked about her,” said one of the former officials. “He would never say a bad thing about women but the whole flight home he kept saying she was conceited, arrogant, incompetent.”
>Days later, she was fired and never occupied another high-profile role with Chávez.
>Political revival and soaring power under Maduro
>Years later, in 2013, Maduro revived Rodríguez's career after Chávez died of cancer and he took over.So Hugo chavez hated her but maduro liked her
>>2631181noooo gunther they're gonna kill youuuu
>>2631221seeing those racist caricature trade federation aliens with chinese subtitles is uhhhh lol
>>2631181>>2631189>>2631201>>2631236I just have missed the lore, what does anti-west propaganda have to do with Gunther?
>>2631238OH NO, A JEDI
LETS GET OUT OF HERE
>>2631240did you read the tweet? He's threatening to kick burger bases out of NATO. rare gunther W
in reality he's a professional clown and can't actually do any of that but it's still funny >>2631243his mum and dad loved donkeys
>>2631181Trump: "I accept these terms."
I have found a half dozen sources at this point who just straight up lead to belief maduro was betrayed knowingly by people in his admin. I know obviously not take western media at face value and I won't but a picture is developing. I'll keep waiting for more info though
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/06/politics/maduro-wife-hit-heads-lawmaker-briefing
>The officials insisted during the briefing that Maduro’s capture was not a regime change operation, since the Venezuelan government remains largely intact and is now led by his deputy Delcy Rodriguez, sources familiar with the briefing said. Rubio said the administration views her as more pragmatic than Maduro and as someone the US can work with, while the opposition leader Maria Corina Machado would be unable to exert control over the regime’s security forces, the sources said.
>The administration’s policy decision regarding Rodriguez was informed by a classified CIA analysis on the impact of Maduro no longer being president and near-term implications of his potential removal, according to a source familiar with the matter. It was not a recommendation based on an expectation of regime change in Venezuela, the source added.
>The tightly held intelligence product was commissioned by senior policy-makers and the CIA is expected to continue providing similar recommendations on the leadership situation in Venezuela going forward, according to multiple sources.
>Rubio has been the administration’s main point of contact with Rodriguez. President Donald Trump told NBC News Monday that Rubio “speaks to her fluently in Spanish” and that their “relationship has been very strong.”
>Briefers said they’d been in touch with Delcy Rodriguez as well as her brother Jorge Rodriguez, who is president of Venezuela’s national assembly, for months, but they described it as discussions with the regime to try to prompt behavior change, not as asking them to help oust Maduro.>>2631265Can anyone translate this to spanish?
>>2631265Musk doesn't look near as socially awkward / autistic enough
He should have those blank lazy eyes and be slack-jawed
>>2631266lazily yandex'd
if you want it done for real, pay me
>>2631250>his mum and dad loved donkeysUnironically the only human thing i've ever heard out of this mans mouth and he didn't even mention it before or during the election, just that one time a few months ago.
Bizzare man. Fucking strange one he is.
>>2631181Orange man got rage baited by dancing. What is he going to do when he sees this?
Pedro Sánchez confirms his intention to speak with both Edmundo González, leader of the Venezuelan opposition, and Delcy Rodríguez, the current president of Venezuela: "Spain can play a mediating role in facilitating a transition that culminates in free elections."
https://xcancel.com/rtvenoticias/status/2008604344841642047#m>>2631263There is also the chance the yankees are trying to sow distrust within the government and rot it from inside, knowing that a frontal regime change would be costly for them and with unlikely success ratio.
>>2631277Pedro? More like paedo? amirite?
>In post-Maduro Venezuela, US eyes security chief as potential target, sources sayWASHINGTON/MEXICO CITY, Jan 6 - The Trump administration has put Venezuela's hardline interior minister on notice that he could be at the top of its target list unless he helps Interim President Delcy Rodriguez meet U.S. demands and keep order following the toppling of Nicolas Maduro, according to three people familiar with the matter.
Diosdado Cabello, who controls security forces accused of widespread human rights abuses, is one of a handful of Maduro loyalists that President Donald Trump has decided to rely on as temporary rulers to maintain stability during a transition period, said one source briefed on the administration’s thinking.
U.S. officials are especially concerned that Cabello, given his record of repression and history of rivalry with Rodriguez, could play the spoiler and are seeking to force his cooperation even as they look for ways to eventually push him out of power and into exile, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
WARNING TO CABELLO
In the meantime, they have communicated to Cabello via intermediaries that if he is defiant, he could face a similar fate to Maduro, the authoritarian leader captured in a U.S. raid on Saturday and whisked away to New York to face prosecution on “narco-terrorism” charges, or could see his life in danger, the source said.
But taking out Cabello could be risky, possibly motivating pro-government motorcycle groups, known as colectivos, to take to the streets, unleashing the chaos Washington wants to avoid. Their reaction may depend on whether they feel protected by other officials, however.
Also on the list of potential targets is Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino, who, like Cabello, is under a U.S. drug trafficking indictment and has a multimillion-dollar bounty on his head, according to two sources.
“This remains a law enforcement operation, and we are not done yet,” said a U.S. Justice Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
U.S. officials see Padrino’s collaboration as crucial for avoiding a power vacuum due to his command of the armed forces. They believe he is less dogmatic than Cabello and more likely to toe the U.S. line while seeking his own safe exit, the source briefed on administration thinking said
A senior Trump administration official declined to answer Reuters' specific questions but said in a statement: “The President is speaking about exerting maximum leverage with the remaining elements in Venezuela and ensuring they cooperate with the United States by halting illegal migration, stopping drug flows, revitalizing oil infrastructure, and doing what is right for the Venezuelan people.”
Venezuela's communications ministry, which handles all press requests for the government, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
ADMINISTRATION DOUBTS OPPOSITION COULD KEEP PEACE: SOURCE
The administration has decided Venezuela's opposition, led by Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado, would be unable to keep the peace at a time when Trump wants enough calm on the ground to jump-start access for U.S. oil companies to Venezuela’s vast oil reserves and to avoid having to put U.S. forces on the ground, the source said.
Trump instead has embraced a classified CIA assessment that concluded Maduro’s top aides would be best situated to run the country on an interim basis, according to sources briefed on the matter.
U.S. officials also decided to work with Maduro’s allies for now out of concern that the country could descend into chaos if they tried to force a democratic handover, and that an excluded member of the inner circle might foment a coup, according to one of the sources.
But the administration wants to eventually see a move toward new elections, U.S. officials have said, though the timeframe remains uncertain.
Trump has offered no clear explanation of how Washington would oversee Venezuela after the biggest U.S. intervention in Latin America since the 1989 invasion of Panama. Critics have condemned it as neocolonialism and a violation of international law.
RODRIGUEZ SEEN AS LINCHPIN
For now, Washington sees Rodriguez as its best bet to temporarily hold power while it continues developing plans for governing post-Maduro Venezuela, a strategy one source described as “very much still a work in progress.”
Among the U.S. demands for Venezuela's leaders are a demonstration of willingness to open up Venezuela’s oil industry on terms favorable to U.S. companies, a crackdown on the narcotics trade, the expulsion of Cuban security personnel and an end to Venezuelan cooperation with Iran, the source briefed on administration thinking said.
The U.S. wants to see progress toward meeting U.S. objectives in a matter of weeks, the source said.
Beyond threats of further military action, the U.S. could use Rodriguez's finances as leverage. The U.S. has identified those assets, sheltered in Qatar, and could seize them, the source said.
CO-OPTING VENEZUELAN OFFICIALS
U.S. authorities and their intermediaries are also seeking to co-opt other senior Venezuelan officials and those at levels below them to open the way for a government that will acquiesce to Washington’s interests, the source said.
Trump’s vow to “run” Venezuela appears for now to be more an aspiration to exert outside control - or at least heavy influence - over the OPEC nation without deploying U.S. ground forces, a move that would be unpopular at home.
Trump’s advisers see Rodriguez as the linchpin: a technocrat who they believe is amenable to working with the U.S. on a transition and oil-related issues, according to people briefed on the U.S. strategy.
Though she and Maduro’s other top loyalists have projected a mostly united front, it is unclear whether that will last.
Rodriguez and Cabello have both operated at the heart of the government, legislature and ruling socialist party for years, but have never been considered close allies.
A former military officer, Cabello, seen as the main enforcer of repression within Maduro’s government, exerts influence over the country's military and civilian counterintelligence agencies, which conduct widespread domestic espionage.
“Maduro brought him in to crack heads together in the aftermath of the stolen election,” said Geoff Ramsey, non-resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council think-tank.
The United Nations found both SEBIN, the civilian agency, and DGCIM, the military intelligence service, had committed crimes against humanity as part of a state plan to crush dissent. REUTERS
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/in-post-maduro-venezuela-us-eyes-security-chief-as-potential-target-sources-say >>2631278I've seen it so much that I'm pretty sure that's the case. Anyway we shouldn't pay attention to it much because each time Trump issues a threat, the whole narrative is undermined: if there was an existing deal, Trump wouldn't need to leverage further threats.
>>2631283They took out the fun dancing uncle and are now scared of the lifetime on steroids, no eyebrows left, ex boxer uncle.
>>263115920+ fascist dictatorships sacrificing workers and socialist intelligentsia at the altar of capital. plus the pink tide faggots that ended up depoliticizing whatever was left of radical politics by the 2000s.
Chavismo is Trotskyist anyway so I'm glad its gone.
>>2631291This is $2-3 billion dollars Venezuela is giving trump if trump
>>2631291grok is this true
>>2631293What if this is total bullshit and instead the telegraph is manufacturing consent for war?
Since 2 years ago the dominant strategy against anti-communist propaganda has went from apologetics to verifying the veracity of the claim. 70% of shit I see is easily debunked on the veracity side.
>It's AI? It's made up?>Come back to me when it's real then we'll talk >>2631293send this to liberal wine moms in the US. if gaynazi anon is right this will result in karen liberal crime squads
>>2631293To call the Colectivos 'motorcycle thugs' or 'gangs' is the current western propaganda. We must reject its framing, even if this man is a chad.
>>2631232>>2631232again quoting
tal cual, huh.
>>2631308Extremely accurate
>>2631326The apnews one is not quoting them. They are quoting officials.
>>2631265>>2631268fucking saved, kek.
>>2631336I am not a glowie. I actually take my time to read articles on her to learn. Idc if you want to fed jacket me.
>>2631329But Nick, YOU'RE a fat little mexican.
>>2631329>if america kidnaps one fat little mexican>mexicannick… ur mexican
nicolas is venezuelan…
… aye caramba….
>>2631338I am fedjacketing the literal fed US media.
>>2631344Cool. You clearly will deny anything negative about her no matter what. I am not here to convince you. You can choose to believe anything you want. I am copy pasting articles I find about her for a few days to share them with others so they are easy to read not to fight her fans here.
Feel free to share articles you find too from sources you like I will be happy to read them
>>2631329>liberal grift fell apart>conservative grift fell apart>libertarian grift fell apart>succdem grift fell apart>Magacom grift fell apart>America First grift fell apartamericans, you're out of grifts, embrace bolshevismo already! no more excuses!
>>2631349Just one more grift bro please, I promise just one more grift
>>2631263no, patrick, there was not betrayed.
Nicolasito, Maduro's son, and Rosaines, Chavez daughter, came out supporting Delcy.
>>2631357but burgerreich media said otherwise! who am i gonna believe?
>>2631357>Maduro's son, and Rosaines, Chavez daughter, came out supporting Delcy.source?
>The U.S. pressures Venezuela to expel official advisers from China, Cuba, Iran and Russia, officials say.
The United States is pressuring the interim Venezuelan government to expel official advisers from China, Russia, Cuba and Iran, American officials said.
Marco Rubio, the secretary of state, listed the Trump administration’s demands to Venezuela’s new leader, Delcy Rodríguez, in a classified meeting on Monday with senior congressional leaders. The U.S. officials, who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, said that spies and military personnel from Cuba, Russia, China and Iran would be forced out, while some diplomats would be permitted to stay in Venezuela.
Army Delta Force commandos engaged in an intense firefight on Saturday with the Cuban security forces that had protected the ousted leader, Nicolás Maduro, outside his compound in Caracas, the Venezuelan capital. Mr. Maduro used the Cuban forces as bodyguards instead of his own military because he perceived them as more trustworthy.
Mr. Rubio also said he had told Ms. Rodríguez that he wanted Venezuela to reopen the oil trade with the United States, a demand that President Trump has made publicly. Venezuela would most likely have to relax or end its nationalization of the oil industry to entice the American companies that left the country to come back. It may also have to pay restitution of some form.
Minutes after Army Delta Force soldiers captured Mr. Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, and flew them out of the country to an American warship, Mr. Rubio called Ms. Rodríguez, two U.S. officials said. It is not clear if he laid out the administration’s demands in that first call or during subsequent talks.
Ms. Rodríguez has tried to defend her country’s sovereignty in the face of the seizing of Mr. Maduro, while also striking a conciliatory tone. In her new role, she must maintain a precarious balance — protecting her political future without antagonizing the United States, given the American naval armada that remains off the coast and Mr. Trump’s direct threats against her.
Mr. Rubio told lawmakers that the administration did not want to see animosity toward the United States from the interim leadership, the officials said, underscoring Ms. Rodríguez’s difficult position. In Monday’s meeting, Mr. Rubio did not offer any substantive comments on a timetable to hold elections or restore democracy to Venezuela. International election experts and the Biden administration said Mr. Maduro falsified the results of a 2024 vote that the opposition candidate had won handily.
>>2631367Kinda sad the cubans didn't even get one delta fag. Like is it that hard? I mean you hear the helicopters outside.
>>2631371Delta force was already in Venezuela for days and had infiltrated and ambushed Maduros guard beforehand. The helicopters were the extraction.
>>2631376But they will be distracted by alcoholism
>>2631372>>2631371>At least 7 U.S. service members injured during missionAt least seven U.S. service members were injured during Operation Absolute Resolve, according to a Pentagon official and a person familiar with the situation.
Two of the service members are still recovering from the injuries, and the five others have been returned to duty, according to a Pentagon official. One of the injured sustained multiple gunshot wounds to the legs, and the injuries were considered fairly serious.
"They are receiving excellent medical care and are well on their way to recovery," a Pentagon official said in a statement.
"The fact that this extremely complex and grueling mission was successfully executed with so few injuries is a testament to the expertise of our joint warriors," the statement said
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/venezuela/live-blog/live-updates-trump-venezuela-maduro-rodriguez-attack-greenland-ukraine-rcna252515 >>2631376They will be distracted by posting on twitter, so it is the duty of the international revolutionary vanguard to ragebait Pete Hegseth personally to reduce the time he spends bombing people.
>>2631377Why don't they just operate from another country or from a bunker?
Even Zelensky was scared for his life and willing to negotiate until the dumb Yeltsinite promised Bennett not to kill him:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-putin-zelenskyy-israel-naftali-bennett-rcna69184
>Putin promised not to kill Zelenskyy, former Israeli prime minister says>Venezuela’s new leader is the oil industry’s long-time allyCARACAS - As the US threatened Mr Nicolas Maduro’s grip on power in recent months, a cadre of executives, lawyers and investors tied to the oil industry made their case to anyone who would listen – the Trump administration, congressional aides: His familiar No. 2 Delcy Rodriguez should fill his shoes in Venezuela.
An oil minister herself, Ms Rodriguez has long been the go-to contact for senior executives, whom she impressed by navigating Venezuela’s industry through international sanctions, economic pressures and internal mismanagement.
Her loyalty to the Maduro regime notwithstanding, she’d be best positioned to shepherd through the US plan to restore Venezuela to its glory days as an oil gusher, argued executives and lobbyists.
US President Donald Trump’s inner circle came to the same conclusion, though people familiar with the matter say they did so independently. Both groups believed that the vice-president, long seen as a bridge between the government and private sector, could stabilize Venezuela’s oil-based economy and facilitate American business faster than leading dissident Maria Corina Machado could, said the people.
Administration officials were mindful of the chaos that ensued in Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein. Business interests aside, maintaining a semblance of business continuity will be critical to a successful transition – one that the Trump administration has yet to define.
And Ms Rodriguez fits both those bills: she oversees Venezuela’s oil apparatus and has decades of relationships among the remaining socialist stronghold in government.
The advocates for Ms Rodriguez didn’t directly include the biggest US oil majors, who were surprised by the removal of Mr Maduro and are still racing to figure out how to work with Washington on next steps, according to people familiar with the matter.
But there’s a wider universe of US and international companies that have operated in Venezuela for years, and many have contacts in the White House and on Capitol Hill, the people said.
A spokesperson for Chevron, the only major US oil company licensed to operate in Venezuela, said it “had no advance notice of the recent operation and did not engage in any discussions with administration officials regarding governance for a post-Maduro Venezuela.”
It also said operations in the country were continuing uninterrupted and in full compliance with laws and regulations.
In a triumphal press conference on Jan 3, Mr Trump endorsed Ms Rodriguez to lead Venezuela for now. Ms Machado, he said, lacked “respect” to lead the country, a stunning blow to the recent Nobel Peace Prize winner and the regime opponents at home and abroad who have pinned their hopes on her.
The White House declined to comment beyond remarks made on Jan 4 by Secretary of State and National Security Adviser Marco Rubio, who is playing a key role in managing Venezuela. He said that the US would leverage its oil blockade and regional military presence to further its policy goals. He also said the US would watch Ms Rodriguez’s actions more than her rhetoric.
In a Bloomberg Television appearance on Jan 5, Greylock Capital Management chief executive Hans Humes, who is part of the creditor committee of Venezuela’s sovereign debt, reiterated what some global oil executives have said in private regarding Ms Rodriguez: “If you want somebody who can operate in reasonably OK conditions, get the person who operated in the worst conditions,” he said.
He added that Mr Trump was making a big gamble, one that if successful, could “reorder the entire energy configuration of the world.”
That conclusion dovetailed with a Central Intelligence Agency report that one person familiar with the matter said senior US officials had recently commissioned to examine near-term succession scenarios. The document drew on numerous intelligence sources including open-source and human collection, and was meant to give Mr Trump the best information possible as he considered the operation, according to the person.
The assessment concluded that top members of the regime, including Ms Rodriguez, would be best placed to lead the government if Mr Maduro were no longer in power, the Wall Street Journal reported on Jan 5.
Global oil interests
Oil companies with interests in Venezuela, home to some of the world’s largest hydrocarbon reserves, now want to make sure that the Trump administration swiftly eases those sanctions to ensure that Ms Rodriguez can start delivering results. There is no time to waste, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly.
In late December, Venezuela had already started closing oil wells because it had run out of storage to hold production stranded by the blockade. More shut-ins would make it harder for Venezuela to recover its economy and jeopardise Ms Rodriguez’s hold on power, the sources said.
So far she looks to be consolidating control on the regime’s existing foundations. On Jan 5, she was sworn in by the National Assembly as acting president. In a fiery speech a day earlier, she described Mr Maduro’s capture as a “kidnapping” and called for his return, but the sources said they believe her rhetoric was meant to shield her from internal reprisals.
On Jan 4, she took a more conciliatory tone, inviting the US to “to work together on a cooperation agenda, aimed at shared development, within the framework of international law, and to strengthen lasting community coexistence.”
Ms Rodriguez, 56, had been a key figure in Mr Maduro’s tight inner circle, heading a string of key portfolios including the Foreign Ministry that enabled her to build international bridges.
She was named oil minister in 2024 after Mr Maduro’s widely contested reelection, putting her in charge of the national oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA, with the task of cleaning up corruption and bringing more transparency to the bloated firm’s accounts.
An accomplished table-tennis player, Ms Rodriguez regularly fields calls from senior executives at international oil companies, from Houston to Mumbai, and has longstanding relationships in Beijing and Moscow, which she visits on her government jet.
One of the companies with the most to gain from a successful revival of Venezuela’s oil industry is Chevron.
ConocoPhillips, a US peer that’s owed some US$10 billion (S$12.8 billion) in unpaid arbitration awards from the 2007 state seizure of its Venezuelan assets, would gain as well if it decides to implement a proposal to return to the country to recoup its debt. Among non-US companies, Shell has an offshore Venezuelan gas deal on ice that could be reactivated on short notice. Other incumbents in Venezuela include Spain’s Repsol SA, Italy’s Eni SpA and France’s Maurel et Prom SA.
The revolutionary daughter
Ms Rodriguez began her political career under late former President Hugo Chávez after graduating as a lawyer from the Central University of Venezuela.
Her father, Mr Jorge Antonio Rodriguez, was a prominent leftist in the 1960s and 1970s and a Marxist party founder. He died in 1976 after being tortured in prison by state security forces, a defining feature of Ms Delcy’s political narrative. Her brother, Mr Jorge Rodriguez, is another regime stalwart and was Mr Maduro’s longtime chief negotiator with the US.
Those who have worked alongside the new acting president often remark on her long hours, with Mr Maduro recently saying she responded to messages well into the night and early morning. She was also by Mr Maduro’s side as he ordered the most aggressive wave of repression the country has seen to crack down on dissidents in the aftermath of his contested reelection in 2024.
In meetings with financial advisers in the weeks ahead of Mr Maduro’s capture, Ms Rodriguez was very focused on the status of Venezuela’s debts and relationships with US oil majors, among other international financial matters, according to one of the sources.
Such diligence, together with the absence of a US indictment that had dogged Mr Maduro for years, made Ms Rodriguez the favorite, not just for oil companies, but also some bondholders who are looking to restructure some US$60 billion of debt.
The endorsement by the White House is “a very clear-eyed sort of realist approach,” said Ms Kimberly Breier, assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs during Mr Trump’s first term.
Mr Rodriguez “liaises with energy companies, and they have been able to deal with her, but that doesn’t mean she is a long-term solution,” Ms Breier added, highlighting her deep association with a regime blamed for widespread human rights violations.
In 2021, Ms Rodríguez showed two Bloomberg News journalists the room at the Economy Ministry in downtown Caracas where she’d practice table tennis, with three of her sparring partners on hand to demonstrate. The cavernous space contained two ping-pong tables. Portraits of Mr Maduro, Chavez and Sion Bolivar, who liberated Venezuela from Spanish rule, looked on. BLOOMBERG
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/venezuelas-new-leader-is-the-oil-industrys-long-time-ally >>2631381Maybe shitposting on Xitter really IS praxis…
>>2631387I’m doubting this, feels like a psyop.
>>2631387kek, meanwhile, in Taiwan and Ukraine…
>>2631390Miller is a propagandizing piece of shit, but remember, just the other day, some were calling Maduro's kidnapping a psyop.
>>2631395Have you seen a single sign out of Venezuela that promises resistance?
>Trump says Venezuela will turn over 30 million to 50 million barrels of oil to US
>A senior administration official speaking under condition of anonymity told CNN that the oil has already been produced and put in barrels. The majority of it is currently on boats and will now go to US facilities in the Gulf to be refined.House Democrats race to put Republicans on record on Venezuela — but face key obstacle
House Democrats are working behind scenes to get a privileged war powers resolution on Venezuela on the floor this week but are grappling with a problem that could limit GOP support, according to two people with knowledge of the discussions.
Democrats have a war powers resolution that is ready for the floor — meaning it has ripened under procedural rules. But the author is Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, a liberal member who has alienated Republicans and even some in her own party.
Democrats privately worry that she would prevent those members from signing onto the measure, those sources said. There are also some potential issues with the underlying bill, one of the sources said.
Top Democrats are meeting this evening to figure out a path forward.
Democrats have drafted a flurry of war powers measures, including on Mexico and Cuba. One is also in the works on Greenland, the source said. But the measures must comply with strict rules to make it to the floor.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/venezuela-maduro-trump-president-military-01-06-26 >>2631371>>2631384Fake news. They arent going to admit any deaths. Like when the zionist entity was btfo by iran recently
>>2631397The government killing and jailing collaborator
>Russia Sends Submarine to Escort Tanker the U.S. Tried to Seize off VenezuelaMove raises the stakes over the Trump administration’s attempt to seize the Bella
Russia has sent a submarine and other naval assets to escort an empty, rusting oil tanker that has become a new flashpoint in U.S.-Russia relations, according to a U.S. official.
The tanker, formerly known as the Bella 1, has been trying to evade the U.S. blockade of sanctioned oil tankers near Venezuela for more than two weeks. The vessel failed to dock in Venezuela and load with oil. Although the ship is empty, the U.S. Coast Guard has pursued it into the Atlantic in a bid to crack down on a fleet of tankers that ferry illicit oil around the world, including black-market oil sold by Russia.
https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/russia-sends-submarine-to-escort-tanker-the-u-s-tried-to-seize-off-venezuela-4bd78dc7 I mean it'd be pretty sweet if we annexed Venezuela, lot's of cuties and I'd be down to WFH in beautiful Caracas
>>2631398>we could do our fucking jobs>we absolutely definitely should>but maybe we should delay so this boilerplate resolution can be redrafted by someone a little less>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…>muslimzionist puppet joke country. imagine explaining this to your kids in 20 years.
>Trump says the U.S. government may reimburse oil companies for rebuilding Venezuela's infrastructureBig oil firms will either "get reimbursed by us or through revenue," Trump told NBC News in an exclusive interview.
President Donald Trump said he believes the U.S. oil industry could get expanded operations in Venezuela "up and running" in fewer than 18 months.
"I think we can do it in less time than that, but it’ll be a lot of money," Trump told NBC News in an interview Monday.
"A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent, and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue," he said.
Whether the U.S. government ultimately agrees to reimburse the oil industry's costs in Venezuela, or alternatively, decides that future revenue is sufficient repayment, will likely be a key factor for the oil companies as they consider their options.
Trump declined to say how much money he believes it would cost companies to repair and upgrade Venezuela's aging oil infrastructure.
"It’ll be a very substantial amount of money will be spent" by the oil companies, Trump said. "But they’ll do very well."
"And the country will do well," he added.
Despite Trump's optimism, oil companies have appeared skeptical of quickly entering, expanding or investing in Venezuela. A history of state asset seizures, the ongoing U.S. sanctions and the latest political instability all feed into this caution.
Trump said he believed that tapping Venezuela's oil reserves is "going to reduce oil prices."
Gas prices are already at multiyear lows. The average retail gas price on Monday was $2.81, according to AAA. That's the lowest since March 2021.
"Having a Venezuela that’s an oil producer is good for the United States because it keeps the price of oil down," Trump also added.
While lower oil prices could make gas cheaper at the pump, it would likely also mean lower revenues for the same big oil companies that Trump is counting on to bankroll the rebuilding of Venezuela’s oil industry to the tune of billions of dollars in foreign investment.
Asked if the administration had briefed any oil companies ahead of Saturday's military operation to capture deposed Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro, Trump said, "No. But we’ve been talking to the concept of, 'what if we did it?'"
"The oil companies were absolutely aware that we were thinking about doing something," Trump said. "But we didn’t tell them we were going to do it."
Trump told NBC News it was "too soon" to say whether he had personally spoken to top executives at America’s three largest oil producers, Exxon Mobil, Chevron and ConocoPhillips.
I speak to everybody," he said.
ConocoPhillips declined to comment Monday on Trump's plans for Venezuela’s oil reserves. Chevron told NBC News it does not comment "on commercial matters or speculate on future investments." Exxon did not immediately respond to questions.
Energy Secretary Chris Wright plans to meet with executives from Exxon and ConocoPhillips this week about Venezuela’s oil industry, Bloomberg News reported Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.
Wright will be a point person for the Trump administration's broader campaign to rebuild Venezuela's oil infrastructure, a White House official said Monday.
The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that the U.S. oil industry is eager to return to Venezuela, nearly two decades after the country last nationalized billions of dollars' worth of oil company assets.
"They want to go in so badly," Trump told reporters Sunday evening.
Despite Venezuela's massive reserves of crude oil, large U.S. oil firms have a good reason to pause before committing to expand operations in Venezuela.
In the 1970s, the Venezuelan government nationalized energy assets there, including those owned by Exxon Mobil and ConocoPhillips. In the years since, the companies have tried unsuccessfully to recover billions of dollars.
In 2006 and 2007, the Venezuelan government nationalized even more assets. Then-President Hugo Chávez allowed foreign oil firms to remain, but on less favorable terms, leading to the full departure of Exxon and Conoco.
Chevron, however accepted the terms and remains to this day, thanks in large part to a limited waiver exempting it from U.S. sanctions on Venezuelan oil.
Exxon Mobil CEO Darren Woods recently expressed caution about re-entering Venezuela.
"We’ve been expropriated from Venezuela two different times," he told Bloomberg News in November, replying to a question about whether Exxon would be interested in Venezuela's oil or gas. "We’d have to see what the economics look like
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/trump-venezuela-oil-companies-reimburse-rcna252434 >>2631263maduro son and the defense minister hardliner still support the vp, so for now I will assume the west are just trying to sow disunion
>Justice Dept. Memo Approved Military Incursion Into Venezuela as LawfulThe specifics of the memo are unclear. But Attorney General Pam Bondi told lawmakers in briefings this week that the administration would share the document with them.
The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel produced a signed memo declaring it lawful for President Trump to order the military operation that seized President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela over the weekend, according to officials familiar with the matter.
The specifics of the memo are unclear. But Attorney General Pam Bondi promised members of Congress in briefings this week that the administration would share the memo with lawmakers, the officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe details intended to remain private.
At least 80 people were killed during the incursion into Venezuelan territory, including military personnel and civilians, according to a senior Venezuelan official. The operation raised a host of legal issues about international law and presidential power.
In particular, legal scholars say, it appears to have violated international law. Under the United Nations Charter, a treaty ratified by the U.S. Senate, a nation cannot use force inside the sovereign territory of another country without its consent, a self-defense rationale or the permission of the U.N. Security Council.
Before the United States invaded Panama to seize its strongman leader, Gen. Manuel Noriega, in 1989, the Office of Legal Counsel issued a memo saying that President George H.W. Bush had inherent constitutional power to violate — or “override” — international law constraints and authorize “forcible abductions” of criminal suspects in a foreign country without that country’s consent.
The memo was signed by William P. Barr, who later served as attorney general in Bush’s administration and during Mr. Trump’s first term. Mr. Barr is known for pushing an unusually expansive view of executive power. After his claim came to light, legal scholars disputed it.
Office of Legal Counsel, now led by T. Elliot Gaiser, earlier issued a memo, dated Sept. 5, 2025, that blessed as lawful Mr. Trump’s extrajudicial killings of people suspected of smuggling drugs in international waters. That operation initially focused on Venezuelans, and has now killed at least 115 people in 35 attacks.
The memo, according to people who have read it, accepts and relies upon Mr. Trump’s determination that the United States is in a formal state of armed conflict with a secret list of two dozen drug cartels and gangs he has deemed terrorists.
The military is not permitted to target civilians who pose no imminent threat, even if they are suspected of crimes. A broad range of specialists in use-of-force laws have rejected the idea that there is an armed conflict with drug traffickers and that the killings are lawful.
The Trump administration has not made that memo public, nor has it disclosed any detailed account of its legal reasoning for the operation capturing Mr. Maduro.
The administration has styled the boat attacks as acts of war, and has said that makes them lawful. It has styled the military incursion into Venezuelan territory to seize Mr. Maduro as a law enforcement operation, saying the military provided support to the Justice Department.
Mr. Maduro had been indicted in the Southern District of New York in 2020 on drug-trafficking conspiracy charges. At an arraignment on Monday, he pleaded not guilty and declared that he was a “prisoner of war” and had been “kidnapped.”
In 1989, Noriega also faced drug-trafficking charges in the United States when President Bush ordered the U.S. military to help capture him. The U.N. General Assembly voted 75 to 20 to deem the incursion “a flagrant violation of international law.” Noriega was later convicted at trial and spent the rest of his life in prison.
The Bush administration initially concealed from Congress that the Barr memo included a principal finding that presidents could authorize arrest operations in foreign territory that violate the U.N. Charter. That aspect only came to light in The Washington Post two years later. The Office of Legal Counsel under the Clinton administration eventually published the memo.
Mr. Barr’s reasoning for why Mr. Bush had constitutional power to violate the U.N. Charter centered on the idea that Congress had not separately passed legislation repeating the treaty’s terms as a domestic statute. Once it was made public, the theory drew intense scrutiny.
In a Cornell Law Review article, for example, Brian Finucane, a former senior State Department lawyer, argued that Mr. Barr’s memo had mistakenly conflated the question of when courts could enforce the terms of treaties with whether ratified treaties bound the president.
Because the Constitution makes ratified treaties part of “the supreme law of the land,” Mr. Finucane argued, they count as the kind of laws that the president has a constitutional duty to faithfully carry out — regardless of whether courts can enforce them. He said the U.N. Charter was binding on presidents and was understood to be when ratified.
The Barr memo also addressed other issues that would have confronted Mr. Gaiser. One is whether a statute that gives federal law enforcement agents the power to arrest people for violating U.S. criminal laws extends to arrests in other countries.
In 1980, the head of the Office of Legal Counsel during the Carter administration, John M. Harmon, signed a memo saying the F.B.I. had no authority to apprehend and abduct a fugitive residing in a foreign state without the consent of the asylum state. Doing so, the memo added, could render F.B.I. agents subject to extradition to the asylum state to face kidnapping charges.
Mr. Barr rescinded that opinion, reaching the opposite conclusion in his 1989 memo. Noting that Congress had given some criminal laws — including those involving terrorism and narcotics — international reach, he asserted that “in order for the F.B.I. to have the authority necessary to execute these statutes, its investigative and arrest authority must have an equivalent extraterritorial scope.”
The memo did not address the use of military force to “support” law enforcement officials in carrying out arrests abroad. In the Maduro operation, the United States attacked air defenses along the corridor where helicopters carrying an Army Delta Force extraction team was passing, and the Special Operations killed Mr. Maduro’s bodyguards — many of them apparently Cubans — in a firefight.
During early reports of the operation, Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, said on social media that he looked forward “to learning what, if anything, might constitutionally justify this action in the absence of a declaration of war or authorization for the use of military force.”
Hours later, Mr. Lee said that Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who also serves as Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, had called. Mr. Lee recounted that “the kinetic action we saw tonight was deployed to protect and defend those executing the arrest warrant.” He added: “This action likely falls within the president’s inherent authority under Article II of the Constitution to protect U.S. personnel from an actual or imminent attack.”
If Mr. Rubio’s explanation was based on the Office of Legal Counsel opinion, it is possible that the memo invoked the doctrine of inherent protective power. The idea, which dates to the late 19th century, is that the Constitution empowers the president, without any need for a specific statutory authorization from Congress, to use military force to protect federal personnel as they carry out federal functions, like enforcing federal laws.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/06/us/politics/justice-dept-memo-venezuela.html >Trump demands Venezuela kick out China and Russia, partner only with US on oil: EXCLUSIVEThe White House sets demands for Venezuela to pump more oil.
The Trump administration has told Venezuela's interim president Delcy Rodriguez that the regime must meet the White House's demands before being allowed to pump more oil, according to three people familiar with the administration's plan.
First, the country must kick out China, Russia, Iran, and Cuba and sever economic ties, the sources said. Second, Venezuela must agree to partner exclusively with the U.S. on oil production and favor America when selling heavy crude oil, they added.
According to one person, Secretary of State Marco Rubio told lawmakers in a private briefing on Monday that he believes the U.S. can force Venezuela's hand because its existing oil tankers are full. Rubio also told lawmakers that the U.S. estimates that Caracas has only a couple of weeks before it will become financially insolvent without the sale of its oil reserves.
In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Roger Wicker confirmed that the U.S. plan hinges upon controlling Venezuela's oil. He said he did not believe it will require the deployment of U.S. troops.
"The government does intend to control the oil, taking charge of the ships, the tankers, and none of them are going to go to Havana," Wicker said. "And until they start moving – we hope to the open market – there are no more tankers to fill, because they're totally full."
The White House did not dispute the reporting.
"The President is speaking about exerting maximum leverage with the remaining elements in Venezuela and ensuring they cooperate with the United States by halting illegal migration, stopping drug flows, revitalizing oil infrastructure, and doing what is right for the Venezuelan people," according to a senior administration official.
The State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Wicker told ABC News that Venezuela doesn't have any more tankers available to move additional oil.
"The information I have is that Venezuela cannot pump anymore crude oil because there's no place to put it and there's no place to send it. The tankers are full and waiting to move to an appropriate place, hopefully to be sold with open market other than to be [given] free to China," Wicker said.
Trump posted Tuesday evening that the "interim authorities" in Venezuela would turn over between 30 million and 50 million barrels of oil to the U.S. to be sold at market price. Trump said those funds would be controlled by him "to ensure it is used to benefit the people of Venezuela and the United States!"
Wicker said the administration's plan does not appear to involve U.S. troops.
"This is not a matter of boots on the ground … That is just not part of the plan," he added.
Last month, Trump wrote in an online post that he had ordered a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE BLOCKADE OF ALL SANCTIONED OIL TANKERS going into, and out of, Venezuela."
When asked by reporters the following day what that meant, Trump said, "it's just a blockade. Not going to let anybody going through that shouldn't be going through."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-demands-venezuela-kick-china-russia-partner-us/story?id=128963238 >>2631408holly economic blabbering from these analysts:
>The average retail gas price on Monday was $2.81, according to AAA. That's the lowest since March 2021.prices reduced because they have been cutting expenditures across the table, with less consumption, producers have to reduce prices, too.
>A history of state asset seizuresthey were all fully reimbursed. fuck twats.
>the ongoing U.S. sanctionsthey all financed the politicians that instated the sanctions. fuck twats.
>the latest political instability all feed into this caution.they all fucking financed the politicians willing to do this. fucking shit.
>Then-President Hugo Chávez allowed foreign oil firms to remain, but on less favorable terms, leading to the full departure of Exxon and Conoco.ah, someone slap this to the sap troll who said the oil didn't belong to the workers, and Venezuelans in general.
>In the years since, the companies have tried unsuccessfully to recover billions of dollars.they were woefully compensated. they tried to run lawsuits, and they even won some (but with WAY less of what they asked, i.e. exxon asked for $11b, got $500m).
holly shit, this is the propaganda fed to the American public.
>>2631411>The specifics of the memo are unclear. But Attorney General Pam Bondi told lawmakers in briefings this week that the administration would share the document with them.when you get the GP to backdate a doctors note. either that or it's going to show up on a napkin with a brown stain on it.
>>2631402cucktin won't do shit to his "western partners"
>>2631410It's wishful thinking. "Ackshually the hardline chavista VP is pro-US, trust me bro".
>>2631411wow, the nyt wrote an extensive brainfart article to ponder whether it's illegal or not what the US does, when they have been violating international law with impunity for the last 80 years.
jesus.
>>2631402>bid to crack down on a fleet of tankers that ferry illicit oil around the world>illicit oil >black-market oillmao, just because the US imperialist sanction something does not make it "illicit" or "black market", especially outside their jurisdiction. I despise those imperialist porkies news outlets so much
>Venezuela to export $2 billion worth of oil to US in deal with WashingtonHOUSTON/WASHINGTON, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Caracas and Washington have reached a deal to export up to $2 billion worth of Venezuelan crude to the United States, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday, a flagship negotiation that would divert supplies from China while helping Venezuela avoid deeper oil production cuts.
The agreement is a strong sign that the Venezuelan government is responding to Trump's demand hat they open up to U.S. oil companies or risk more military intervention. Trump has said he wants interim President Delcy Rodriguez to give the U.S. and private companies "total access" to Venezuela's oll industry.
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Venezuela has millions of barrels of oil loaded on tankers and in storage tanks that it has been unable to ship due to a blockade on exports imposed by Trump since mid-December.
The blockade was part of rising U.S. pressure on the government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro that culminated in U.S. forces capturing him this weekend. Top Venezuelan officials have called Maduro's capture a kidnapping and accused the U.S. of trying to steal the country's vast oil reserves.
Venezuela will be "turning over" between 30 and 50 million barrels of "sanctioned oil" to the U.S., Trump said in a social media post.
"This Oil will be sold at its Market Price, and that money will be controlled by me, as President of the United States of America, to ensure it is used to benefit the people of Venezuela and the United States!," he added.
U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright is in charge of executing the deal, Trump said, adding that the oil will be taken from ships and sent directly to U.S. ports.
Supplying the trapped crude to the U.S. could initially require reallocating cargoes originally bound for China, two sources had told Reuters earlier on Tuesday. The Asian country has been Venezuela's top buyer in the last decade and especially since the United States Imposed sanctions on companies involved in oil trade with Venezuela in 2020.
"Trump wants this to happen early so he can say it is a big win," an oil industry source said.
Venezuelan government officials and PDVSA did not provide comment.
CHEVRON IN CONTROL OF VENEZUELAN OIL FLOWS TO US
U.S. crude prices fell more than 1.5% after Trump's announcement, with the agreement expected to increase the volume of Venezuelan oil exported to the U.S.
That flow of oil is currently controlled entirely by Chevron (CVX.N), PDVSA's main joint venture partner, under a U.S, authorization.
Chevron, which has been exporting between 100,000 and 150,000 barrels per day (bpd) of Venezuelan oil to the U.S., is the only company that has been loading and shipping crude without interruption from the South American country in recent weeks under the blockade.
It was not immediately clear if Venezuela would have any access to proceeds from the supply. Sanctions mean PDVSA is excluded from the global financial system, its bank accounts are frozen and it is blocked from executing transactions in U.S. dollars
Venezuela has been selling its flagship crude grade, Merey, at around $22 per barrel below Brent for delivery at Venezuelan ports, giving a value for the deal at up to $1.9 billion.
Rodriguez, sworn in as interim president on Monday, is herself under U.S. sanctions imposed in 2018 for undermining democracy.
TALKS INVOLVE POSSIBLE AUCTIONS WITH US BUYERS
Venezuelan and U.S. officials this week discussed possible sales mechanisms, including auctions to allow interested U.S. buyers to bid for cargoes, and issuing U.S. licenses to PDVSA's business partners that could lead to supply contracts, two sources told Reuters.
Those licenses have in the past allowed PDVSA's joint venture partners and customers, including Chevron, India's Reliance (RELLNS) China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and European Eni (ENLMI) and Repsol (REP.MC), to have access to Venezuelan oil to refine or to resell to third parties.
This week, some of those companies have begun making preparations for receiving Venezuelan cargoes again, two separate sources sald
The U.S. and Venezuela have also discussed if Venezuelan oil can be used in the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve in the future, one of the sources said. Trump did not refer to this possibility.
INCREASED OIL FLOWS WOULD BE 'GREAT NEWS'
U.S. Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said on Tuesday that an increased flow of Venezuelan heavy oll to the U.S. Gulf would be "great news" for job security, future gasoline prices in the U.S. and for Venezuela.
"Venezuela has an opportunity now to actually have capital come in and rebuild their economy and take advantage," he told Fox News, when asked about talks between the governments on oil exports, "With American technology, American partnership, Venezuela can be transformed."
U.S. refineries on the Gulf Coast can process Venezuela's heavy crude grades and were importing some 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) before Washington first imposed energy sanctions on Venezuela.
PDVSA has already had to cut production due to the embargo, because it is running out of storage for the oil Without a way to export oll soon, It would have to cut production more, one of the sources sald.
Oil traders reacted to news of the deal talks on Tuesday. Differentials for some heavy oil grades in the U.S. Gulf slipped around 50 cents per barrel on Tuesday on the prospect of more Venezuelan supplies.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/venezuela-us-talks-export-venezuelan-oil-us-sources-say-2026-01-06/>>2631418he said it was about the oilit's always the oil>>2631396 (me) (crosspost)
this post relates to missing economic figures. basically the US oil industry could be on shaky ground. but no proof either way.
>>2631408>>2631415this actually does support that it's about the oil: prices are lower than the start of the ukraine crisis, but if that is driven by an economic recession then the rate of profit of the oil cartel is going to be razor thin if not negative. if they go and steal the abundant oil from venezuela and they can produce cheap enough to get back into the black without runaway price hikes that would seppo the tanks and collapse the regime.
>>2631425they always blur the line between unilateral and unsc sanctions. the same way they do between sanctions on states vs. individuals.
A small fleet of ships booked by Chevron Corp. is sailing to Venezuela as the company emerges as the only exporter of the country’s oil following the ouster of President Nicolas Maduro by US forces.
Chevron is poised to export more Venezuelan oil this month than last, with at least 11 ships scheduled to arrive in the Venezuelan government-controlled ports of Jose and Bajo Grande, according to preliminary data compiled by Bloomberg.
All eyes are on the Houston-based company to see if it will begin shipping out more Venezuelan crude after US President Donald Trump said he wanted “total access” to the country’s vast reserves. Chevron is the only Western firm allowed to produce and export crude oil in Venezuela amid American sanctions and it operates under a license granted by the Treasury Department. It is responsible for nearly 25% of the nation’s production and oversees the crude through delivery to fuel-makers in the US Gulf and East Coast markets.
>Venezuela Braces for Economic Collapse From U.S. BlockadeVenezuela could lose the bulk of its oil export revenues this year if the U.S. blockade stays in place, according to internal government estimates, a scenario that would set off a humanitarian crisis.
Even before American forces blasted their way into Venezuela’s capital and seized President Nicolás Maduro on Saturday, the nation was already facing dire economic prospects.
The partial blockade imposed by the United States on Venezuela’s energy exports was expected to shutter more than 70 percent of the country’s oil production this year and wipe out its dominant source of public revenue, according to people briefed on Venezuela’s internal projections compiled in December.
The Trump administration’s decision last month to begin targeting tankers carrying Venezuelan crude to Asian markets had paralyzed the state oil company’s exports. To keep the wells pumping, the state oil company, known as PDVSA, had been redirecting crude oil into storage tanks and turning tankers idling in ports into floating storage facilities.
This strategy merely bought the company some time before it ran out of storage for the pumped oil it was unable to sell. TankerTrackers, a shipping data firm, estimated late last month that Venezuela had enough spare storage until the end of January.
But production could collapse swiftly after that, the people briefed said.
If the blockade held, the Venezuelan government expected national oil production to collapse from about 1.2 million barrels per day late last year to less than 300,000 later this year, said the people briefed — a drop that would significantly reduce the government’s ability to import goods and maintain basic services. The people had access to the projections and discussed them on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
Mr. Maduro’s capture has only added more uncertainty to these projections.
Oil tankers on a U.S. sanctions list will continue being blocked from leaving or entering until the Venezuelan government opens its state-controlled oil industry to foreign investment — presumably giving priority to American companies — Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Sunday on “Face the Nation” on CBS News.
“That remains in place, and that’s a tremendous amount of leverage that will continue to be in place until we see changes, not just to further the national interest of the United States, which is No. 1, but also that lead to a better future for the people of Venezuela,” Mr. Rubio said.
But Venezuela’s interim government already appears to be testing the seriousness of that threat. At least 16 oil tankers hit by U.S. sanctions seem to have made an attempt to evade the blockade and leave Venezuelan ports since Saturday, in part by disguising their true locations or turning off their transmission signals.
If they manage to breach the blockade and export the crude, Venezuela’s oil industry could buy itself some time to adjust to the new reality, the people close to the industry said.
But if the blockade holds, the country would face a catastrophe, they added.
In a worst-case scenario considered by Venezuela’s government, this year’s national oil production would be limited to only the fields operated by the American company, Chevron. It has a unique permit from the Trump administration to work in Venezuela, and is the only company regularly shipping oil from the South American nation since the start of the partial blockade on Dec. 11, shipping data shows.
This scenario would force PDVSA, Venezuela’s largest employer, to furlough tens of thousands of workers and slash employee benefits, the people briefed said.
PDVSA and Venezuela’s communication ministry, which handles questions from news organizations, did not respond to requests for comment.
In recent years, Venezuela’s economy had seen some modest economic recovery after years of hyperinflation and food shortages that led millions of Venezuelans to flee the country. But Mr. Trump’s economic pressure campaign has snuffed out that progress and now threatens to turn an anticipated recession into another economic collapse.
Venezuela’s new leader, Delcy Rodríguez, was initially scathing in her criticism of the Trump administration, saying that its goal was “the seizure of our energy, mineral and natural resources.”
On Sunday night, however, her tone softened in a conciliatory statement addressed to Mr. Trump. “We extend an invitation to the U.S. government to work together on a cooperative agenda, oriented toward shared development, within the framework of international law, and to strengthen lasting community coexistence,” she wrote on social media.
Oil exports account for about 40 percent of Venezuela’s public revenue, according to estimates by Francisco Rodríguez, an expert on the Venezuelan economy at the University of Denver. Mr. Rodríguez, who is not related to Delcy Rodríguez, added that the oil industry’s true economic impact is even larger, since much of the country’s remaining economic activity is financed by revenue from crude sales.
Mr. Trump has justified using force against tankers tied to Venezuela by claiming that the Venezuelan government has stolen oil and land belonging to America, apparently referring to the nationalization of foreign-operated oil fields in 2007. Starting on Dec. 11, U.S. forces seized two tankers carrying Venezuelan oil and attempted to board a third tanker as it sailed to Venezuela, leading PDVSA to largely stop authorizing shipments on tankers not associated with Chevron.
So far, Mr. Trump’s partial oil blockade has had a limited impact on Venezuela’s oil output as the government stores crude oil wherever it can.
Production from PDVSA’s joint ventures with other companies, which account for the bulk of the country’s total, fell 2.5 percent in December from the previous month, according to internal PDVSA data.
Venezuela’s financial outlook is complicated by the fact that the government derives little direct financial benefit from Chevron’s exports. Its exemption from sanctions issued by the U.S. Treasury Department prohibits the company from actually making most payments to the Venezuelan government.
Instead, Chevron compensates PDVSA for the right to pump oil from its fields by giving the company part of the crude from joint projects. But PDVSA has struggled to sell its share of that crude in recent weeks, putting pressure on its limited storage facilities.
In a statement in response to questions for this article, Chevron said its operations in Venezuela fully comply with applicable laws and the U.S. sanctions framework. The company declined to provide further comment.
China, Venezuela’s biggest oil customer, is unlikely to significantly lean on the United States to ease the blockade, analysts say, since it can simply buy more from Iran or Russia.
Venezuela’s ruling party has faced comparable economic pressures before.
Oil exports collapsed to 350,000 barrels per day in the summer of 2020, during Mr. Trump’s previous effort to oust Mr. Maduro. And in 2002, oil workers allied with the Venezuelan opposition shut down the country’s oil industry for two months in a national strike.
The government’s control over key factions of security forces allowed it to weather the economic pressure both times. In recent years, the government has boosted other sources of export revenue, including gold, iron ore and strategic minerals.
Most of the brunt of the collapse of the oil revenue would be felt by the Venezuelan population, said Mr. Rodríguez, the economist.
“We would see a massive recession,” he said. “You will get either a famine or mass migration.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/06/world/americas/venezuela-us-blockade-economy-oil.html >already sending oil
Mulitpolarsistars…
Making sense of the US military operation in Venezuela
Brookings experts weigh in
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/making-sense-of-the-us-military-operation-in-venezuela/This one is a long read if you are interested in what nerdy lib scholars think a bunch of them give their analysis on oil, future and other stuff. Just predictions and math
China-bound shipments at risk as Venezuela holds US oil talks
Venezuela has millions of barrels of oil that it has been unable to ship due to blockade on exports imposed by Trump since mid-December
https://www.geo.tv/latest/643676-china-bound-shipments-at-risk-as-venezuela-holds-us-oil-talks>>2631442China will do nothing
>>2631377this is the most stupid shit ever made. just to put into perspective. the US coomsumes ~20 million oil barrels per day. that's less than 3 days of oil consumption. it takes $20b per day to run US government, it's around half a day worth of economic income for the US. Venezuela can produce that in 50 days, with current output (recently reached to 1 million barrel per day). it's the most demented comment he has made so far with numbers. fucking moron.
>>2631470Hey if it motivates the libs to overthrow the government who am I to stop them
>>2631470homie wrote that, read it again, said to himself:
<drumpf BTFOand posted it.
>>2631448china has eliminated oil from its electricity supply, uses about 30% of its imports in chemicals and manufacturing, with about 60% used in transport and a tiny amount of random energy. it is also the world leader in electrification of transit and logistics.
they can scale their oil consumption down by 60% painlessly and have been declining in consumption for years now. they're already living in the future. if they get involved it's just to flex on donbert donbert.
Singles and china invades Brunei to secure oil supply
>>2631488OH MY GOD LMAOOOO
>>2631488>Singles and china invades Brunei to secure oil supplysee, for trying silly gets you got adolf hitler.
>U.S. talked to acting leader, her brother before raid, sources sayU.S. officials had been in discussions with Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez and her brother for some months before the raid on the presidential compound in Caracas, U.S. officials told members of Congress in a classified briefing on Monday, according to two individuals familiar with the briefing.
Trump is supporting Rodriguez, who was named acting president, to succeed Maduro who is in a jail in New York.
The discussions were first reported by CNN.
A recently completed CIA assessment determined that the top members of Maduro’s regime, including Rodriguez, would be the best to lead a temporary government in Caracas. The assessment concluded that they were best positioned to maintain near-term stability if Maduro lost power, according to a U.S. official and a source familiar with the assessment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/venezuela/live-blog/live-updates-trump-venezuela-maduro-rodriguez-attack-greenland-ukraine-rcna252515 >>2631490It's over, China will do nothing.
Honestly, we've gotta root for the burger radlibs now. Can someone confirm that all it takes is one burger radlib who hates on Trump all day to kill the court case?
Doubles and China would do nothing if America had Taiwan declare independence.
>>2631498 (me)
Thank fuck for that.
Triples and China's "doing something" about Taiwan independence would be an angry letter.
(I'm kinda cheating because there's no way this board is active enough to reach …555 so soon, right? R-r-right?)
The Venezuela IBC Index, based in Caracas, surged 50% in a single trading session on Tuesday, January 6, extending their gains after the US attack on the country, which led to the capture of its long-standing President Nicolas Maduro.
The IBC index surged 50% on Tuesday, extending their gains having risen another 16% on Monday.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/venezuela-stock-market-50-percent-in-a-single-day-trump-maduro-action-record-2025-returns-19815732.htm>>2631428>he said it was about the oil>it's always the oilThis. People are too hungover on Iraq, where Dubya was running with Muh WMDs and Muh Democracy.
Mofos, Trump brazenly admits it's about the oil. There's nothing more tedious at this point than seeing my Twitter feed flooded with triumphant "See? It's about the oil!" even after Trump has already said it's about the oil.
>>2631398>But the author is Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, a liberal member who has alienated Republicans and even some in her own party.>Democrats privately worry that she would prevent those members from signing onto the measure, those sources said.>woman bad>moslim badthank you USA.
>>2631508It's more likely the Dems are privately thrilled that it doesn't have much of a chance.
>Cuba’s Long-Suffering Economy Is Now in ‘Free Fall’With widespread power outages, medicine shortages and rising food prices, experts say Cuba’s economy has never been worse, with the crisis coming just as the supply of Venezuelan oil is threatened.
By all accounts, Cuba is enduring the worst economic moment in the 67-year history of its communist revolution.
While the island nation has endured periodic episodes of mass migration, food shortages and social unrest in decades past, never before have Cubans experienced such a wholesale collapse of the social safety net that the country’s leaders — starting with Fidel Castro — once prided themselves on.
“I, who was born there, I, who lives there, and I’ll tell you: It’s never been as bad as it is now, because many factors have come together,” said Omar Everleny Pérez, 64, an economist in Havana.
As Trump administration officials congratulate themselves on a triumphant military victory in Venezuela, in which President Nicolas Maduro was seized and the United States claimed control over the South American country, eyes have now turned to Cuba, which enjoyed a warm relationship
Of Cuba, “It’s going down for the count,” Mr. Trump said Sunday, dismissing the need for military action there, because he said the government was likely to collapse on its own.
Odalis Reyes can see evidence of Cuba’s decay with her own two eyes.
From the window in her cramped sitting room, Ms. Reyes, a seamstress in Old Havana, looks out at a relic of the country’s obsolete past, the rusting hulk of an electric power station that once provided electricity to her poor neighborhood on the edge of the popular tourist district of Cuba’s capital.
Now it serves as a reminder of the constant blackouts.
“Yes, many hours without electricity, many, many — 14, 15 hours,” Ms. Reyes, 56, said. “Oh, that terrifies you, it terrifies you, because food — which this is the hardest thing — you’re afraid it will spoil.”
“We don’t even know how we’re going to get by anymore,” she added. “We’re like human robots, humanoids.”
In recent years, Cubans complained because the monthly allotments of rice, beans and other food staples that they received from government ration cards lasted only 10 days. Now the cards are virtually worthless because food is rarely available at the government ration stores.
To buy gasoline, people have to use an app to sign up for an appointment — at least three weeks in advance. One resident of Havana, the capital, said he joined the queue three months ago, and is now No. 5,052 in line.
The lack of gasoline has led to sporadic trash pickup, which has led to outbreaks of mosquito-born illnesses like dengue and chikungunya. Medicines are nearly impossible to find without relatives abroad to send them.
It’s dark, people are sick, and they don’t have medicine, said Mr. Pérez, the economist.
The economic situation in Cuba has always been difficult. It was particularly terrible during an era in the mid-1990s known as the “special period,” which came after the collapse of the Soviet Union, which had kept Cuba afloat.
The Cuban government has consistently blamed its economic travails on a decades-long U.S. trade embargo that it claims puts a chokehold on its ability to do business in the world market and earn much-needed cash. Economic sanctions by Republican administrations, which have excluded food and medicine, have made it even harder, government officials say.
“Correcting distortions and reviving the economy is not a slogan,” President Miguel Diaz-Canel said in a speech last month. “It is a concrete battle for stability in everyday life, so that wages are sufficient, so that there is food on the table, so that blackouts end, so that transportation is revived, so that schools, hospitals and basic services function with the quality we deserve.”
At the end of the third quarter last year, the country’s gross domestic product had fallen by more than 4 percent, the president said, inflation was skyrocketing, and deliveries of rationed food were not being met.
Mr. Díaz-Canel reiterated the government’s long running goals: to make food production a top priority and work to make state-owned businesses more efficient.
Experts say that it remains unclear how big an effect the fall of Mr. Maduro will have on Cuba, as the Trump administration exerts more control over Venezuela’s state oil industry. When Hugo Chávez was president, he kept Cuba afloat with some 90,000 barrels of oil daily. In the last quarter of 2025, Cuba received just 35,000.
The resulting power outages have hurt industries like nickel production, because the factories are off when there’s no power.
Another crucial industry, tourism, has also suffered in recent years. Before the Covid pandemic, four million people a year used to visit Cuba; that number has struggled to get back to two million, economists said.
Amid the struggles, some were calling for more private enterprise.
Emilio Interián Rodríguez, a Cuban lawmaker who is president of an agricultural cooperative, delivered a blistering speech urging agricultural overhauls and more private enterprise. He made the declaration on the floor of the National Assembly — where pro-government rhetoric is the norm. Private business owners, he said, were doing a better job than state companies.
“Thanks to micro, small and medium enterprises, today we have more things, and thanks to micro, small, and medium enterprises today we are achieving results in many things that we had never achieved before,” he said.
Experts agree that while U.S. policies have hurt Cuba, poor planning and mismanagement are also to blame for the country’s economic troubles. Efforts to allow private businesses to operate have faltered because of onerous regulations.
The private enterprises, known as MiPyMEs, were legalized in 2021 and have been a lifeline in Cuba, Mr. Pérez and other residents said.
Some private stores resemble supermarket chains in the United States, with everything from Goya brands to Philadelphia cream cheese.
But prices at the private stores are exorbitant, particularly for people who earn salaries in the local currency. A typical monthly pension is 3,000 pesos, less than $7, while a carton of 30 eggs costs 3,600 pesos — $8.
“There is food, and plenty of it, but the prices are incredible,” Mr. Pérez said. “Nobody with a salary, not even a doctor, can hardly buy in those stores
About a third of Cubans receive economic help from overseas, and some earn dollars in the private sector. But about a third, particularly pensioners, are living in poverty, Mr. Pérez said.
Difficult living conditions helped spur spontaneous mass protests in 2021, but a harsh government crackdown quashed the demonstrations.
Cuba’s financial collapse has fueled an extraordinary exodus — about 2.75 million Cubans have left the country since 2020, according to Juan Carlos Albizu-Campos, a Cuban demographer. While the official population is about 9.7 million people, Mr. Albizu-Campos said 8.25 million would be more accurate.
Some people have taken to cooking with firewood. The country is producing 25 percent less power than it did in 2019, said Ricardo Torres, a Cuban economist who is currently a fellow at American University.
Cuba’s economy has declined three years in a row, he said.
“The domestic economy,” Mr. Torres said, “is in a free fall.”
Yoan Nazabal, 32, a bartender and taxi driver in Havana, said his wife had a cesarean section six months ago, and was stunned to find out what they were expected to bring to the hospital.
“We had to bring our own catheter to the hospital!” he said. “Everyone talks about how great our medical system is, and how it is free — and it has been, historically. Our doctors are first-class. But they don’t have any resources with which to do their job.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/06/world/americas/cuba-economy-venezuela-oil.html >>2631507>There's nothing more tedious at this point than seeing my Twitter feed flooded with triumphantI'm still seeing people talking about
muh freedom, muh torture, muh human rights, muh dictator like, even fox news run over and over and over about those things, just to see trump ruining their pr, propaganda opsecs, and imperial agitprop.
problem is,
ok, what is people going to do now they know it's not about those things?that's why we now see asmongolds and nick fuentes doubling down:
heck yeah, ofc it's about oil, it's our treats. and such.
>>2631523Theatrics. Remember "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi after 2006? Dems never do anything about the war machine when they have actual power. If they impeach Trump a third time after the 2026 midterms, I guarantee it won't be for any kind of war-machine reason, not even if they know it won't result in his removal anyway.
>>2631531>New York TimesI’m taking anything they say with a large grain of salt
>>2631534It used to be that in spite of an overall abysmal record, you could find one or two journalists at a news outlet with a solid record, and the idea was to pay attention to journalists, not outlets. Now, eh, they're most likely to be Substacking.
>>2631470Oh my fucking god these shitlibs need to get over this Russia shit
>>2631537I'm happy to let them cook, tbh. I know the 'becoming' part is cringey, but the overall
>how is the US any better than what it accuses Russia of doing?is more pleasing to the ear than the radlibs who are trying to argue
>this is Different (tm)
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It’s been a busy weekend which put me in mind of a classic quip:
Source: Quote Investigator
A lot of us have been learning a lot about Venezuela!
For my part I’m earnestly trying to finish a book (not about Venezuela) so I have been following what is going on out of the corner of my eye. Even so, I can’t help being struck by the frequent mixing together of interesting data with tendentious interpretive claims.
For instance: Historical data on oil rents paid by Venezuela under the pre-OPEC oil regime are very interesting. But what conclusions can you possibly draw? I was sorry to see Gabriel Zucman posting in this fashion.
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Even as far as Venezuela’s own situation is concerned, to evaluate claims about the relative merits of extractive regimes, one clearly wants an “extraction-adjusted GDP per capita” to get the full picture. And lo and behold, Twitter provides. And yes I am aware that every twitter account comes with its own politics. But this graph is excellent. Clearly, a high rent extraction regime was compatible, to say the least, with rapid economic development in Venezuela. (NOT saying anything about distributional issues, economic diversification etc etc).
BTW Venezuela back in 1960 was a founding member of OPEC along with the Gulf producers.
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Oil nationalization in 1976 slashed foreign rents but that was also the moment at which economic growth in Venezuela broadly speaking came to an end. I’m not making any direct causal links. Just trying to get the chronology straight. Nationalization in 1976 seems to have gone relatively smoothly. So much so that the lack of drama disappointed more hard-core resource nationalists.
A lot of people have been talking about how much valuable oil Venezuela does or does not have and what type it is. The graph below is very illuminating as to how carefully claims to huge reserves ought to be handled. “Proved reserves” are not simply a natural fact.
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There have been a large number of very long twitter comments on oil matters. I found the one below particularly useful in understanding how the extraordinary leap in Venezuela’s oil reserves happened in the 2010s. It is from Yellowbull @Yellowbull11
There has been lots of talk about the current situation in Venezuela and what it could mean for global oil markets, so I just wanted to provide some nuance on this When people say “Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves,” as you undoubtedly have seen being thrown around a lot on here, they are technically referring to a specific accounting definition, not to a stock of easy, cheap barrels ready to flood the market. To unpack that, you need to get into what those reserves are, how they behave in the subsurface, what it costs to turn them into marketable liquids, and how price, technology, and above-ground risk interact. That’s a lot to cover, but let’s give it my best shot. On paper, Venezuela has roughly 300–303 billion barrels of proved reserves, about 17 % of the global total and slightly more than Saudi Arabia. The critical detail is that around three quarters of that booked volume is extra-heavy crude from the Orinoco Belt in eastern Venezuela. These are bitumen-like oils with API gravity typically in the 8–14° range, extremely viscous at reservoir conditions and with high sulfur and metals content. So the statement “largest reserves” is really “largest booked volumes of very challenging heavy and extra-heavy oil.” Technically recoverable versus economically recoverable is the first big distinction. The USGS has long estimated that the Orinoco Belt contains on the order of 900–1,400 billion barrels of heavy crude in place, with perhaps 380–650 billion barrels technically recoverable using existing technology. Venezuela and OPEC only book a subset of that as “proved,” but even those proved numbers are sensitive to the assumed oil price and development concept. When prices were strong in the 2005–2014 window, a large portion of Orinoco volumes became economic on paper and were reclassified as proved, driving the headline reserves from ~80 to ~300 billion barrels. Geology and fluid properties are the second big differentiator. Orinoco crudes are extra-heavy, with densities up around 934–1,050 kg/m³, high asphaltene content and sulfur on the order of 3–4 wt% or more, depending on the block. This is a completely different animal from a 33–40° API, low-sulfur Arab Light-style crude. In plain English, that means it’s much harder to handle at various stages and each step adds capex, opex and energy use. In other words, the “barrel in the ground” in Venezuela is inherently worth less and depends on a narrower set of buyers. Surface systems and institutional capacity are another constraint. Before the 2000s, PDVSA had a reputation as a technically capable NOC. Since then, you have had a combination of mass layoffs and politicization, under-investment, sanctions, corruption and brain drain. The result is decayed gathering systems, chronic power shortages, refinery fires and upgrader downtime. Finally, integration with global refining and logistics matters for strategic value. Venezuela’s crude slate is optimized for complex “coking” refineries in the US Gulf Coast, parts of Asia and a few European plants. That’s a story for another time though, because the length of this analysis is getting out of hand. So when you hear that Venezuela has “the world’s largest oil reserves,” the technically accurate part is that the country has extremely large volumes of extra-heavy oil in place, and a big subset of that was once judged economically recoverable at high price assumptions and booked as proved. The more relevant questions for energy strategy are how many of those barrels are genuinely economic under realistic long-term prices, how quickly they can be brought onstream given infrastructure and institutional constraints, what netback they deliver at the refinery gate, and how exposed they are to being left in the ground if demand peaks. On those metrics, Venezuelan barrels sit much further out on the cost and risk curve than the headline “largest reserves” soundbite suggests.
So what happened to the Venezuelan oil industry and when did it happen? Starting from this FT graph it would seem that this is a story in three parts. #1 The long decline in the 1970s. #2 The recovery of the 1990s leading to stabilization on a reasonably high plateau from the 2000s. #3 The collapse of the mid 2010s that began before but was massively amplified by sanctions applied under the first Trump administration in 2017.
The question that is most contentious right now is that of US property rights and claims to compensation by Exxon and ConocoPhillips. This would seem to be “the American oil” that Trump claims was stolen and that he now wants back.
Obviously the story is more complicated and goes back to the (re)opening of the Venezuelan oil industry to foreign investment and technology - Apertura Petrolera - initiated in the mid 1990s. According to a report by Francisco Monaldi, PhD Fellow in Latin American Energy Studies, Rice University’s Baker Institute Igor Hernández Graduate Fellow, Rice University’s Baker Institute José La Rosa, MSc Research Analyst, Rice University’s Baker Institute, published by the Baker Institute (no innocents!)
The Apertura was a great success. Almost all the major international oil companies in the world invested in Venezuela. BP, CNPC, Conoco, Chevron, ENI, Exxon, Petrobras, Repsol, Shell, Statoil, Total, among others, made significant investments. In 2005, combined output from OSAs and AAs reached an average of 1.1 MBD. Projects developed during Apertura added an output capacity of 1.2 MBD. Rystad Energy estimates the CAPEX provided by private investors at USD 10.8 billion. Manzano and Monaldi (2008) estimated that the total CAPEX on the Apertura projects at $25 billion.
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This forcible rearrangement has resulted in expensive litigation and huge awards to several of the investors. Some of the legal arguments are dissected in delicious detail in this fascinating report by Juan Carlos Boué
During the mid-1990s, Venezuela’s national oil company, PDVSA, implemented a policy known as the Apertura Petrolera (oil opening), which sought to mobilise the capital, technology and managerial capabilities of international oil companies in order to maximise the production of crude oil while simultaneously reducing drastically the fiscal burden on hydrocarbons exploration and production activities in the country. The Apertura achieved its objectives to a large extent, albeit in a fashion reminiscent of those operations which are hailed as a medical triumph though the patient winds up dead: production à outrance by Venezuela was a key factor behind the oil price collapse of 1998, and the paltry fiscal income generated by some of the Apertura-era projects made them the most unfavourable—for the State—in the history of the Venezuelan petroleum industry.[i] The standard-bearers of the Apertura were four large, costly and complex projects dedicated to the production, upgrading (i.e. partial refining) and marketing (as synthetic crude) of extra-heavy oils from the Orinoco Oil Belt (OOB), an immense reservoir with over 1 trillion barrels of dense—heavier than water—hydrocarbons in place. Today, three of these projects (Petrozuata, Hamaca and Cerro Negro) are at the centre of the arbitration proceedings that ConocoPhillips (COP) and ExxonMobil (XOM) initiated against Venezuela at the International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) in late in 2007.[ii] These arbitrations feature some of the largest claims ever to have been brought against a state by international investors: US$30 billion in the case of COP and more than US$15 billion in the case of XOM. However, a careful reading of dispute’s factual background suggests that these claims bear little connection with the deals that these oil firms actually agreed to in Venezuela.
At the root of these arbitrations was the decision by the Venezuelan government to re-structure the OOB projects to bring them in line with the legal requirements and fiscal conditions applicable to all other companies with oil activities in Venezuela, as set out in the 2001 Organic Law of Hydrocarbons. This included a requirement that the projects be transformed into mixed companies in which PDVSA affiliates would have a shareholding of 60 per cent; to comply, COP and XOM would have had to reduce their equity in the projects by selling part of their stakes to PDVSA. The companies’ rejection of the government’s terms led to their exit from Venezuela, with PDVSA taking over their shareholdings completely The legal questions at the heart of these arbitrations are highly complex, and even explaining them in summary form took a paper running to around one hundred pages of text.[iii] And yet, paradoxically, XOM CEO Rex Tillerson says “[o]ur situation in Venezuela is a pure and simple contract. The contract was disregarded.”[iv]
In a nutshell, COP and XOM allege that, in changing the fiscal conditions for the upgrading projects, and then re-structuring them along the lines sketched above, the Venezuelan government rode roughshod over their vested rights, treating contractual undertakings “as the proverbial ‘scrap of paper’ that they can disregard at their convenience … breaking all the commitments … made to induce … investment.”[v] As to what exactly those commitments were, however, COP and XOM studiously avoid going into specifics, which is hardly surprising because key documents on the record show that these alleged commitments are figments of over-active corporate imaginations. The COP and XOM investments were only able to happen thanks to the legal régime d’exception defined in Article 5 of the 1975 Venezuelan Oil Nationalisation Law which—”in special cases and if convenient for the public interest”—allowed state entities to “enter into association agreements with private entities …. [with] the prior authorisation of the [Congressional] Chambers in joint session, within the conditions that they establish”.[vi] Among the numerous conditions that the Venezuelan Congress stipulated for all upgrading projects is one that is fatal in terms of the companies’ claims of governmental undertakings to the effect that neither the fiscal nor the legal framework of the upgrading projects would be altered. In the case of the Cerro Negro project, a joint-venture between XOM, PDVSA and British Petroleum,[1] this condition was expressed in the following language: “[t]he Association Agreement, and all activities and operations conducted under it, shall not impose any obligation on the Republic of Venezuela nor shall they restrict its sovereign powers, the exercise of which shall not give rise to any claim, regardless of the nature or characteristics of the claim…”.[vii] As can be clearly appreciated, this condition amounts to a full reservation of sovereign rights by the Republic (which, furthermore, was not a party to any of the association agreements).
There exist documents in the public domain, contemporary to the measures, which show that COP and XOM knew full well that their situation vis-à-vis the Venezuelan government was not one of “pure and simple contract”. These documents are of special interest because the statements and opinions contained therein were made in the belief that they would remain confidential, but which came out in the open with the publication of 250,000 US diplomatic cables by Wikileaks. One such cable reported that the petroleum attaché in the US embassy in Caracas was told by an “ExxonMobil executive … on May 17 [2006] that his firm did not believe it had a legal basis for opposing the tax increases” resulting from “amendments to the Organic Hydrocarbons Law (OHL) that raise income taxes on the strategic associations from 34 to 50 percent and introduced a 33.3 percent extraction tax.”[viii] This candid confession is irreconcilable with the fanciful COP and XOM allegations of fiscal guarantees. But the cable contains an even more revealing disclosure, which goes to the heart of the quantum of compensation COP and XOM are owed for the nationalisation of their interests, and makes a mockery of their colossal damages claims: … each of the strategic association agreements has some form of indemnity clause that protects them from tax increases. Under the clauses, PDVSA will indemnify the partners if there is an increase in taxes. However, in order to receive payment, a certain level of economic damage must occur. In order to determine the level of damage, the indemnity clauses contain formulas that, unfortunately, assume low oil prices. Due to current high oil prices, it is highly unlikely that the increases will create significant enough damage under the formulas to reach the threshold whereby PDVSA has to pay the partners.[ix]
Source IISD
Whoever ends up “running” Venezuela and however they do it, money is going to be an issue. And when we are talking money there is one account you have to go to: The indispensable Brad Setser.
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Simple conclusion: Anyone “running” Venezuela is going to end up not just with assets but also with a huge pile of liabilities.
I’ve been deliberately minimal in this post in the hope of offering some useful pointers rather than big noisy claims.
If I were to make a big noisy claim it would be that the entire exercise has less to do with actual resource imperialism than Trump’s feckless reality TV Cosplay resource imperialism. He likes demonstrative acts of violence. He likes to claim immediate economic paybacks. He singled out Venezuela in his first term. He has come back for more.
If you pushed me further I would say that the Trump administration appears to be serious about the Monroe … sorry Donroe … doctrine in the Western hemisphere. Could this be a prelude to an overt spheres of influence deal with China, Russia and Saudi-UAE-Qatar-Israel … possibly?
What next? It does strike me as plausible that there could be a faction around Marco Rubio whose real target for actual regime change is Cuba (note the Cubans killed in the US operation) rather than Venezuela.
>>2631543I respect Adam Tooze and he is worth listening to. Thank you for posting.
(here he is last christmas talking about Trotsky)
>>2631543>>2631544do you have talks with this guy?
I can answer many questions or explain loose statements there.
>>2631551God it's SO easy to be a right wing grifter. I've always had this fantasy of starting a stupid facebook/tiktok store selling hats and conservative coded shirts to the inbred MAGA hogs. It must be such good money
>>2631556do it. secretly finance communist orgs/parties in the US.
>>2631551Steve Kuhn X Professor Jiang collab NOW!!
>>2631531>onerous regulations What’s an onerous regulation? The US has some of the most bureaucratic systems of setting up a small business. I feel like their claim that businesses are struggling in Cuba because of regulations is absolute bullshit. A regulation is probably that they have to pay their workers very well, well beyond what the global north considers a “minimum wage”. Labor law is a form of regulation and Cuba has strong labor laws. I imagine what NYT means by onerous regulations is that, strong labor laws.
Doubles and the US will invade both Greenland and Cuba in the next 6 months
>>2631558That's already being done. It's called the ACP.
>>2631571That is deadend. On the left you go shill for the DSA and do groypers if you want grift money.
Literally EVERY mainstream news outlet in latam has some serious Maduro derangement syndrome
Seeing a concerning amount of cope on my feeds given that Venezuela hasn't put up any meaningful resistance whatsoever and has paid only lip service to protecting its interests.
I see no reason to doubt that Trump will get his oil and reduce Venezuela to a vassal state. Usually when his actions are in line with uniparty imperialists, things run smoothly. The only reason he flubs everything else is that the uniparty imperialists don't care for any of his carnival barking.
>>2631551this strengthen's iran's position as a producer. and oil's a dying commodity.
and for the boomers:
=Can you fly this plane and land it?=
>>2631544>>2631581debt isn't real anon
>>26312031. was this tweet true?
2. did they make it through or did the burgers detain them?
>>2631349libertarian grift, MAGA grift, and America first grift, were all just conservative grift with extra steps
Succdem grift, and MAGAcom grift were just liberal grift with extra steps.
They will just keep reinventing the wheel with a rotating cast of "outsider" liberals and "outsider" conservatives until the sun dies
>>2631566>doubles on a slow boardnot even spooky
>>2631149Forever wishing to be full European, is that how it is?
>>2631596>more than ten trillion dollars debt …. faking a violent coupah, if only the onion editors had more creativity and preemptiveness, they would have enhanced the skit for the ages with the forever growing trend that it's now nearing 4 times that.
>>2631625burgerreich gamblers deserve to lose their money on this imo. fuck you for gambling on the lives of venezuelans lol
Venezuelan officer: the country's army was ordered not to interfere with the actions of the United States during the capture of Maduro in order to avoid invasion
Lieutenant Colonel Edgar Alejandro Lugo Pereira from the active reserve of the Venezuelan army named the reason why the troops did not interfere with the actions of American special forces in their country.
According to Pereira, the Venezuelan army was able to repel the attack, but did not do so, fearing a more serious invasion.
Moreover, the officer claims that the government of the country has given the army an order not to act, as it adheres to the principle of dialogue.
>>2631596
>Be trump and maduro>orchestrate literally this onion video>kill 50 cubans in the process to make it believableI kneel
>>2631627>army was orderedBy who?
>>2631628This bitch got completely snubbed lmao, all that bootlicking for nothing
>>2631641She can't help it. It's just her nature.
>>2631418Come on, fam. It’s about the oil. And covering up the Epstein files. And preserving the petro dollar.
And expanding US hegemony. Did I mention the Epstein files?
>>2631627>let them kidnap the pres and destroy our defences and slaughter us so it doesn't get worsewow
>>2631647it's not about the epstein files. the esptein shit has been going on for years now and nobody in government wants to do anything about it so they don't and there is no movement from the public to force something to be done abotu it. this is such a dumb take.
USAnians don't give a fuck that all their rulers are pedophiles
>>2631648The depth of Christcuckery knows no bounds.
>>2631652Objectively speaking, 100 deaths is better than a million - even if you manage to slay Satan with such a sacrifice. USSR would have preffered losing hundred thousand people in 1941-1945 instead of 7 millions, 100%
>>2631638>>2631648it's fake. note there is no source.
>>2631653Don't try to fucking excuse this shit with utilitarianism. It's not about this 100. It's the next one. And the next one. And the one after that. In fact, stomaching all oppression costs less than revolution. You wouldn't catch me dead have such counter-revolutionary talk.
>>2631654It fucking better be.
>>2631627>>2631627that's a stupid fabrication. the article you posted, without source, it's closest referenced to this one:
https://ria.ru/20260105/venesuela-2066456949.htmland this one:
https://ria.ru/20260105/venesuela-2066537824.htmlwhich comes from this stupid shit with no real trail to the article where it's mentioned the recount of the events, from the same Liutenant Colonel Edgar ALejandro Lugo Pereira:
https://en.topwar.ru/amp/276032-nazvana-prichina-otsutstvija-reakcii-armii-venesujely-na-vtorzhenie-ssha.htmlwhat it's stated in the original source it's very different.
>>2631638>>2631648>fell for it award. >2631658
please use a name or tripcode
>Pete Hegseth: Maduro kidnapping is a message to the world.
>In a speech on Sunday to shipyard workers and naval personnel at Newport News Shipbuilding, the US’s largest military shipyard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth stated that US’s attack on Venezuela and kidnapping of its elected president was evidence of renewed American military readiness and prowess.
>“We’re re-establishing deterrence that’s so absolute and so unquestioned that our enemies will not dare to test us”.
mpire. Black Panther leader Huey P Newton put it well: “There can be no real freedom until the imperialist - world-enemy-number-one - has been stripped of his power”.
>>2631657Ask Spanish-speaking anons to find sources in whatever media Venezuela is using. You are really desperate for US attack to have been done against a defenceless opponent, instead of said opponent much rather shouldering small sacrifices over losing much more in a real war, huh?
>>2631659decode anon is based and i don't care if the videos are AI, the analysis is on point and superior to slop coming out of the gaping maws of cocaine addicted MSM talking heads
>>2631658Decode's emphasis on "we have to look at the periodic table" makes me think the real identity of this guy is Awakening Richard, a Chinese-American geopolitical analyst who uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase in many of his videos.
>>2631658his accent became indian towards the end of the vid when he mentioned india lmfao
>>2631667>Decode's emphasis on "we have to look at the periodic table"Is it as cringey as it sounds?
>>2631656>Don't try to fucking excuse this shit with utilitarianism. Some of you "WW3" bedwetters who justify excessive restraint are just as bad as he/she is. It's an implicit utilitarian argument.
>>2631692No, it's a consequentialist argument.
>>2631697No. Example:
Missiles and Morals: A Utilitarian Look at Nuclear DeterrenceDouglas P. Lackey
Basically, be a complete restraint cuck if there's any chance of WW3 because WW3 has infinitely negative utility.
>>2631698Then I am mildly confused who "he/she" refers to.
Hilarious that you think they gave away Maduro because of some utilitarian motive, that's just the excuse, the reality is they are corrupt leeches salivating at the idea of privatizing the oil sector.
>>2631700I basically agree with your trashing of
utilitarian cucktarian restraint. Just pointing out that there's a premise of cucktarian restraint whenever someone argues that China, Russia, Iran, etc., should go around doing nothing in response to US provocations because
that could start WW3!!! If the US is going to go around unopposed as it shits on the globe, then what are we even doing here?
Day 4 of the "30 Minute Regime Change Operation"
>Regime status: Bolivarian Revolution still in power
>Oil industry status: Still owned by the Venezuelan state
The US has stated their objectives quite clearly several times, but still couldn't achieve any of them. Kidnapping Maduro did fuck all. Inconsequential PR stunt.
This is a failure. Saying otherwise is cope and damage control.
>>2631719Best day of my life t. Yuropoor
>>2631555No, I dont talk with this guy. I just for whatever reason subscribed to something a year ago and I receive charts and words words words every day on my email.
But what he says is, that the oil companies left by themselves despite having agreed that the venezuelan state could ask for profits and that whatever they are asking for is overblown and dubious.
He also says that the "largest deposits on earth" is a bit overblown.
>>2631719>>2631725>Former top diplomatWhen you're off the leash you can say the sensible thing. While on the leash they'll die on that hill.
Yeah the EU is absolutely going to cool relations with the US and I’m sure the US will gracefully get the hint and remove themselves from the hundreds of military bases they have across Europe.
>>2631725>Yuropoordon't worry you will get three hots and adequate shelter after conscription starts
>>2631708The regime status doesn't matter if the current regime has been terrified into cooperating with US goals. No Democrat is going to walk back anything Trump has done, so the regime can't count on future independence.
The oil status, however, matters. That's what I'm watching. I expect the status to be clear by March.
>>2631708based. I stopped listening to that fat pedo months ago. why would his ridiculous looney tunes plans ever amount to fucking anything: all he's done is tank his own economy, sink his allies, and liberate the sahel.
>>2631738Who would win? All left"com" posters on lefypol or a single Ahmed vid?
>>2631748The fat fuck is crying about the midterms now, saying Dems will impeach him. I'm not sure why he cares, tbh, given that enough Repubs won't vote to remove. What's a third impeachment gonna do to him?
My theory is that he's worried because some of his neocon pals in Congress could lose their seats. Then again, I'm not sure why they care either. They get a cushy pension.
Or is he trying to MAGA to circle the wagons for an Iran op? Still having a hard time understanding why he cares about their support anymore.
>>2631741>The regime status doesn't matterLe cope
>>2631773that bloated fucking slug is dreaming if he thinks there isn't going to be a backlash. seppo planes are falling out of the sky and the UN is thinking of dissolving. that cushy pension might as well be paid out in monopoly money: the next iteration of the ICC isn't going to hesitate to put warrants out on his capos.
>>2631778Doesn't matter, dude. You're usually more doompilled than this :/ If the current regime lets them pillage the country, they're fine with that.
>>2631408The systemic problem in the US, ultimately, is that its urban planning model is broken and unsustainable; that's why they need to rely on war and short-term profit. It's shameful. That's why we urgently need to invest in alternative transportation and energy solutions globally.
>>2631780>It's about time. Yep. At least there's some actual resistance now. This sort of reminds me of Iran, where the first week was like a stun grenade and the Iranians didn't do anything. Then they upped their game a little.
>>2631780But this is fascism. Venezuela is fascist while USA isnt. Antifascists should support USA.
Damn, leftypol really be supporting fascists, holy shit.
USA is the progressive side here. Imperialism is progressive compared to previous stage of capitalism. Lenin said that, btw.
>>2631849
>le good
>le people
>>2631835you dont understand what imperialism is. define it
>>2631145so you learned nothing from this? why continue to attack people on your own side when the opposition are all neoliberals who want the US to bomb us?
>>2631867I concede. USA isnt imperialist.
>>2631867>on your own sideMODS BAN THIS SOCIAL CHAUVINIST NOW!!!
U.S. Used High-Tech E-Bombs in Venezuela Operation
<The United States’ successful capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on January 3, 2026, in "Operation Absolute Resolve," likely marked the first combat debut of advanced electromagnetic (E-bomb) weaponry.
<Experts, including defense analyst Trent Telenko, suggest that the U.S. used electromagnetic pulses or high-energy microwaves to paralyze Venezuela's communications and air defenses. This allowed over 150 aircraft and helicopters to operate without a single loss. Stealth aircraft reportedly cleared a "corridor" using E-bombs integrated into JDAM or JASSM-ER missiles, emitting power surges 1,000 times stronger than lightning to fry microelectronics, night-vision gear, and computers.
<Unlike nuclear EMPs, these tactical E-bombs provide localized destruction without damaging nearby civilian areas. While this technology, developed through projects like CHAMP, secures U.S. air superiority, experts warn of a growing threat: China could use similar technology on heavy-lift drones to target U.S. and allied naval bases and ships.https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/2008336546118726048 >>2631883Russia had this kind of military technology for years.
US attempting to seize oil tanker linked to Venezuela and Russia - reports
The US is attempting to seize a Venezuela-linked oil tanker after a more than two-week-long pursuit across the Atlantic, according to reports.
A US official has told Reuters that the seizure is being carried out by the Coast Guard and military.
Russian state news media outlet RT is also reporting that a helicopter, believed to be carrying US military forces, is attempting to land on the oil tanker.
The seizure, which could stoke tensions with Russia, came after the tanker, originally known as the Bella 1, avoided a US maritime "blockade" of sanctioned tankers and rebuffed earlier US Coast Guard efforts to board it off Venezuela in December.
As we've been reporting, the tanker changed its name from Bella 1 to Marinera, and it adopted the Russian flag, according to AI maritime analytics firm Windward. Windward also reported the tanker painted a Russian flag on its hull to avoid capture by the US Coast Guard.
Under international law, vessels flying a country's flag are under the protection of that nation.
And the Wall Street Journal reported earlier that Russia had been escorting the vessel with a submarine.
The US could even be intercepting another vessel at the same time elsewhere, according to Reuters national security reporter Phil Stewart.
There is "yet another interception underway" in Latin American waters, Stewart posted on X.
>>2631888Why hasnt it used this technology to achieve air superiority?
>>2631901It isnt miniaturized enough to be put into bombs probably.
>>2631900I double digits the Russian submarine will shoot down these helis from the sky.
>>2631904How? Do submarines have anti air capabilities?
>>2631901When the Russian army appears on the front lines of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it will be easy to understand.
The first sign is the failure of all communications equipment, complete battery discharge in vehicles, tanks, and other equipment, along with the batteries in cell phones, sights, and radios. Then, electrical circuits in all equipment—any kind—break. This is an EMP. All engines stall, and there's no way to start them. This is how the Khingan system works, with a 20-kilometer radius.
The second is the complete failure of all systems using liquid crystal displays, the failure of all targeting devices in the air defense system—the radars are dead. The Altair system is in operation.
The third is failures when attempting to use any type of guided weapon—from MANPADS to ATGMs. When attempting to fire, the projectiles self-destruct immediately… This is the "Rtut" system—based on the MT-LB, with a tall antenna. Now the Russians have one in every battalion. It works over a 15-kilometer radius.
Fourth, it's impossible to use unmanned aerial vehicles. They either crash, with their navigation and engine systems damaged, or land in Russian positions. The Krasukha-4 system disables the onboard equipment of aircraft and other aerial vehicles. The Avtobaza system intercepts drone controls. The Russians gave it to the Iranians, who stole the US's highly classified attack drone, the "Beast of Kandahar."
The fifth sign will be seen and understood by more than just everyone. This is the phenomenal accuracy of artillery fire, fired from a distance beyond the reach of Ukrainian artillery. The Russian army's artillery reconnaissance and targeting stations operate via satellites and their own drones. The Russians have modernized their shells; they now have homing systems, are longer, and carry more explosives.
Ukraine has no satellites of its own. Only two communications satellites… Rapid fire adjustments for Ukrainian artillery are impossible from American satellites. Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, covering all roads, begin hunting for armored vehicles, trains, and automobiles in the rear. The railway is paralyzed, switches destroyed, bridges blown up. Power goes out in the rear—substations destroyed. Civilian and military headquarters in the rear, as well as individual leaders, are simultaneously eliminated by pre-planted groups.
And then… "Cotton wool" descends from the skies. Hundreds of divisions of the Airborne Forces and the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU).
>>2631905Usually yes as air planes and helis are their biggest threat.
>>2631921So, they have big anti air missiles like those of S - 400? Or is submarine going to surface and crew member open the hatch and fire manpad?
What's this shit about a russian tanker and sub? venezuela related?
Rússia basically just gave Venezuela away in exchange for Ukraine. So much for le multipolarity
>>2631951Wdym "gave away"?
The U.S. Coast Guard has successfully boarded the oil tanker after a roughly two-week pursuit, according to a U.S. official briefed on the operation. The U.S. Coast Guard encountered no resistance or hostility from the crew, the official said.
The ship has been secured, according to one of the U.S. officials.
I dont have the language to form my thoughts out entirely and Im kind of throwing stuff at the wall here.
But all those pro trump protestors in LATAM paints Trump in the same light as Marx painted Bonaparte III, as a lumpen emperor but on a global scale.
All the pomp and spectacle, abandoning even his working class MAGA base, lumpens and compradors in LATAM cheering the subordination of a nation to capital.
Again, throwing stuff at the wall. Maybe I'll make a thread when I have time to organize my thoughts.
>>2631919Yeah… as i said. Russia already has this technology.
Real anarcho-neocon hours in here
There were no Russian vessels in the vicinity of the Bella 1 when the U.S. Coast Guard boarded the ship, according to two U.S. officials, averting the possibility of a stand-off between U.S. and Russian forces. - NYT
>>2631988Despite all the spectacle. This is what will decide whether Venezuela is a vassal or not. If they cut all economic and political ties, it's over.
>>2631988As in usa borgeoisie is telling venezuelan ruling class to cut ties with russian and chinese ruling class?
>>2631992China and Russia are giving them no reason not to do it
>>2632008This shit is embarrassing, I might end up becoming russophobic if they keep going like this.
>>2632011Mods, ban this guy.
>>2632012Fag
>>2632008Posting Russians with atitude is cheating
>>2632017He is right here, ban him now.
Russians reacting to losing their ship. Here is a comment section translated to English
https://ria.ru/20260107/smi-2066761467.htmlInteresting read
We americans actually need revolution so fucking bad
>>2632061You should do tactical campism since campism is a vehicle for developing revolutionary conditions
>>2632019if the RF allows the US to simply steal their ships with no consequence then they are basically nafoids
Putin is a bitch. He wont do shit.
cucktin won't ever confront the US even as they're in the process of raping his anus
he'd rather sell every single ant inside the RF if it means americans may welcome him as one of them (spoiler: they won't)
Kruschev would have done something btw
>>2632061Solve the great American problem of entrapment by car dependency and you’ll have it. Otherwise, wait for the breaking point and for further contradictions to appear.
>>2632086If kremlin uncs allow russian shit to get stolen by the US with no consequence then on whose side are they?
>>2632101>>2632103>noo you broke the lawPutin is a true democrat
>>2632108Hes just following the footsteps of his mentor Yeltsin.
>>2632100I hope glowuyghurs will tell us whats inside these ships.
>>2632120Have they already given up?
>>2632120The madurites could say "no" by lobbing a S-300 missile but still the multiplaroids will still defend this Burger Occupied Government
>>2632101The absolute state of cucktin. I think we’re seeing the true results of “multipolarity”. The only correct action is unilateral military response in order to give your nation any legitimacy because the liberal world order will never side with you even if you try and meekly signal to the liberals. Militarism is true multipolarity, not soft power.
>>2632128Multipolaristas will sit on their ass while America slowly reconfigures the global supply chain to their playing field while plucking everyone off one by one.
reminder that america will only collapse once it's rendered all humanity outside its borders extinct
>>2631719Okay. So Europe is the only garden now, with the third world being the jungle. What does that make the US?
>>2632151good. maybe that will force american 'leftists' to stop hoping someone else will come to save them and they will actually try to fight imperialism and establish socialism themselves.
>>2632146the usa is the pedo island
>>2632151Yeah nah fuck Russia.
>>2632146Crazy neighbor's lawn on fire
>>2632011>This shit is embarrassing, I might end up becoming russophobic if they keep going like this.They're people of the land, anon… they don't handle the sea well… read Dugin. Just kidding. Well, these Z posters on X get ahead of their own impressionistic propaganda. Like when this story came out the other day that Russia was sending a submarine to help the tanker, a bunch of these guys couldn't help being like AW YEAH IT'S ON alongside pics of, like, the whole Russian fleet as if there was some big thing about to happen.
>>2632088>I don't get it, multipolarsistas told me nukes would stop imperialism, Does Russia have no nukes anymore or what?Russian nukes is what's keeping Trump from supplying Ukraine with Tomahawks. It's my sense that the thinking within Team trump is similar to Biden that Putin has what they call "escalation dominance," which means – at the end of the day – he wants Ukraine more than they do, and he's willing to go higher up the escalation ladder than they are. He's stronger than them in Ukraine. But he's not elsewhere in the world, and that's a vulnerability which the U.S. is exploiting by blowing up his assets.
>>2632170what is your obsession with posting these tradrusski chicks singing?
>>2632176He's autistic anon, don't be mean.
>>2632167>Mongolia in blueWat
>>2631986>Maduro's Gesture was not just a peace signthey've asked, surely.
>>2632120eh. that's not "openly using airspace" dimwit. that a 'projection of flight path' after the track signal is deactivated.
you can't read those maps.
>>2632123>fall for it award again.>>2632120>>2632127obvious samefagging, it's obvious.
>>2632187
>soltero
Haha
me too bro :(
>>2632197i'm waiting for the magical venezuelan response that's gonna OWN trump but i don't think there's any good reason to actually think it's gonna happen based both on their past actions, but also on current ones, think a posteriori here
>>2631819In case you aren't joking:
kys >>2632257>we're gonna run Venezuela>we're gonna control all the oil production>we're gonna control all the oil sales>revenues will be put into an account personally operated by trumpIs it fair to say they're just letting Trump say random shit that will get his base hyped up while the ghouls that can remember what day it is like Rubio come up with a policy that isn't just mindless wishcasting? tmk they haven't even explained through what mechanism they would even administer this be it compradors or direct occupation or cutting a deal with the PSUV. I think the State Dept. and Intelligence community is fine with Trump just saying random shit since its good Madman Theory. Also having all of Venezuela's oil revenue go into accounts overseen by a single president with no further oversight is basically what libs think Maduro was doing beforehand lmao.
>>2632269Its a fascism though. This is a war between fascist venezuela and imperialist usa
>>2632088>I don't get it, multipolarsistas told me nukes would stop imperialismMmm maybe
someone said that to you but the far more common formulation I see is "nukes prevent full scale invasion". They naturally do not prevent proxy wars, which is the Russian situation. Dismantling and dividing Russia is a very obvious long term goal for the USA because they have either the largest or second-largest nuclear stockpile on earth, depending on who you ask. Even with nuclear-armed enemies, there are still avenues for aggression which do not escalate into full scale war, namely in the form of spying, bribing, blackmailing, proxy wars, etc.
>Does Russia have no nukes anymore or what?my answer above contains the answer to this
>>2632280>Fascism is when you hunt fascistsWith every day I support the purge of Anarshits more
>>2632264>i'm waiting for the magical venezuelan response that's gonna OWN trump butare you really that stupid? Venezuela was never a militarized country, nor has nato countries military support.
>>2632286Sorry socdemoid but the PSUV has been scratched and now the fascist bleeds
>>2632286Antifascism is fascism but worse
>>2632276there's a good post earlier ITT which explains how expensive it is to extract and refine venezuelan heavy crude, and how none of the specialized infrastructure is in place, leaving the capital expenditure and operating expenditure with the US, or whoever else will "run" Venezuela. This is wishcasting just like "Mexico will pay for the wall." The real goal of course is the further starvation of Cuba, who rely on fuel from Venezuela, by the bloodthristy reactionary American regime.
>>2632189Tsagaan Khas is probably a CIA psy op
>>2631819every nation on earth does this. ukraine abolished all opposition parties and cracked down on people supporting the SMO.
>>2631819>>2632299in fact, Petro government just today initiated legal actions against lawmakers that stated that they dream that Petro had the same fate as Maduro.
>>2632287first you claim that the venezuelans were gonna make trump back down, now you claim that actually the venzuelan army is terrible because it isn't funded by nato (?), exactly how is it gonna make trump back down or not become a puppet state of the US?
>>2632303I never said that Venezuelans 'were gonna make trump' nothing, I am not that anon. at best what it can be done is to assume defensive positions.
PSUV won.
Critical support to USA imperialism fighting reactionary ruling class of venezuela.
>>2632342In the long term no one will come out of this with an unambiguous W, no one will get everything they want and instead be forced into a "temporary" compromise(that then lasts multiple decades) that leaves no one satisfied while everyone involved copes and says that they totally won that conflict.
>>2632359>In the long term no one will come out of this with an unambiguous WIf PSUV plays it right they could do dengism and it 20 years Venezuela could be the most advanced leftoid project in latam. They would need to stop playing nice with the opposition tho, but it seems like they already started cracking them down.
>>2632283>Dismantling and dividing Russia is a very obvious long term goal for the USA because they have either the largest or second-largest nuclear stockpile on earth, depending on who you ask.I dont think that's true. They had a chance to do this with the fall of the Soviet Union but preferred all nukes going to Russia.
>Rubio outlines 3 phases of administration's plan for Venezuela
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said there will be “more deals to follow” with the interim Venezuelan government and said the Trump administration is planning three phases for Venezuela: stabilization, recovery and transition.
Speaking after an all-senators briefing today, Rubio said they are starting with stabilization because “we don’t want it descending into chaos.” He reiterated that the administration believes it has significant leverage on the interim Venezuelan government led by Delcy Rodriguez.
He described the oil deal as part of the stabilization phase, noting the administration expected to soon be able to sell millions of barrels of Venezuelan oil and generate revenue, controlled by the US, that will be “dispersed in a way that benefits the Venezuelan people.”
“We’re already seeing progress with this new deal that’s been announced, and more deals to follow,” he said, without providing details on the additional deals.
The “recovery” phase, Rubio said, “is ensuring that American, Western, and other companies have access to the Venezuelan market a way that’s fair.”
“At the same time,” they want to “begin to create the process of reconciliation nationally within Venezuela, so that the opposition forces can be amnestied and released from prisons or brought back to the country, and begin to rebuild civil society,” he said.
The third phase will be “one of transition.”
“In the end, it will be up to the Venezuelan people to transform their country,” Rubio noted.
“Some of this will overlap. I’ve described this to (senators) in great detail. We’ll have more detail in the days to follow, but we feel like we’re moving forward here in a very positive way,” he said.
>>2632387US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the US is “about to execute on a deal” to take tens of millions of barrels of Venezuela’s oil and “sell it in the marketplace at market rates.”
The top US diplomat also confirmed the seizure of two oil tankers today and said that the interim Venezuelan authorities wanted the oil from one of the ships “to be part of this deal.”
“They understand that the only way they can move oil and generate revenue and not have economic collapse is if they cooperate and work with the United States,” Rubio told reporters on Capitol Hill.
Rubio described the deal as a result of the US’ oil “quarantine.”
“We are going to take between 30 and 50 million barrels of oil. We’re going to sell it in the marketplace at market rates, not at the discounts Venezuela was getting. That money will then be handled in such a way that we will control how it is dispersed in a way that benefits the Venezuelan people, not corruption, not the regime,” he said.
“We have a leverage to move on the stabilization front,” he added.
>>2632379the nukes were never 'not legally Russian'
>White House says executives eager to invest in Venezuelan oil
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Wednesday that significant private sector interest is emerging around Venezuela’s oil industry as the United States works on a potential deal with the country’s interim government.
“There’s a lot of private sector engagement that’s happening right now,” Leavitt said, noting that Energy Secretary Chris Wright is leading the effort. “As you know, Secretary Wright, our energy secretary, who’s heading up this big project, is in Florida today, meeting with some of these oil executives, and as we confirmed earlier, they will also be at the White House later this week.”
Leavitt emphasized the administration’s confidence in Wright to oversee the talks. “They’re eager about these opportunities. And Secretary Wright is a very well, knowledgeable guy when it comes to oil and energy, and he’s the perfect man for the job.”
CNN previously reported that President Donald Trump is expected to meet with oil executives at the White House on Friday, according to a senior White House official.
Leavitt said the meeting is to discuss “the immense opportunity that is before these oil companies right now.”
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said moments earlier that the US is “about to execute on a deal” to take tens of millions of barrels of Venezuela’s oil and “sell it in the marketplace at market rates.
>White House vows to keep seizing sanctioned oil tankers despite risk of higher tensions with Russia
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Wednesday that President Donald Trump is “not afraid” to continue seizing sanctioned oil tankers despite concerns that it could ratchet up tensions with Russia and China.
“He’s going to enforce our policy that’s best for the United States of America,” she said told reporters during a press briefing. “That means enforcing the embargo against all dark fleet vessels that are illegally transporting oil.”
Leavitt’s remarks came after hours the US military took control of two tankers, including a Russian-flagged ship it had been pursuing for more than two weeks. She downplayed the risk that it would spark a flare-up between the US and Russia, arguing that Trump maintains a good relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“I believe those personal relationships are going to continue,” she said, adding that Trump has made clear that seizing sanctioned tankers is “the policy of this administration, and he’s not afraid to implement it
>>2632387>Rubio outlines 3 phases of administration's plan for VenezuelaIs phase D as described in Anti-Duhring included?
>>2632400Is this the beginning of rightoids pivoting to saying global warming is real (but it's good and we should have more of it to own the libs)? All this bullshit about Greenland and "dominance in the Arctic" doesn't make sense unless you admit the ice is melting and creating new shipping lanes.
>>2632373this is possible, unfortunately I dont think the people running the psuv are very competent
>>2632280anarchists starved for the rojava bucks huh? seen it all over my tl
>>2632400>You don't understand druz'ya. Trump, our great partner and great negotiator is just doing his job. He isn't really doing this…..rightThe absolute state of Russia and Putin will just allow it
>>2631819This is /pol/ bait.
>>2631835>Imperialism is progressive compared to previous stage of capitalismCapitalist imperialism is progressive compared to feudalism. Socialist anti-imperialism is progressive to anything capitalism can offer.
>>2632506No such thing as socialist anti imperialism
Both Venezuela and the US are fascist, bourgeois states.
>>2632533Where is the fascism in usa and venezuela?
>>2632539So his imagination is in both usa and venezuela? How does that work?
>>2632533Your imagination is fascist.
>>2632387this is vague af, maybe this is usually of State Secretary press statements go and I just haven't been paying attention but maybe the white house insider rumor that the current crop of imperialists are just bullshitting this with no clear plan and going on a day by day basis is also true.
>>2632539>there is no fascism in usaReally? How come?
I at least understand the "both sides are bad, actually" stance of Russia and Ukraine, but are people really applying it to Vuvuzela?
Doing a solid quick glance over Maduro's policies on Wikipedia, from what I understand, the most he's done was nationalize some grocery stores and have a paramilitary group.
What am I missing?
>>2632607He he rewrote the constitution and stole fizzy lifting drinks
>>2631819agent kochinski reporting from the pentagon
>>2632607>but are people really applying it to Vuvuzela?is just one retard trolling as le epic smug leftcom, nafoid mods refuse to ban him
>>2632612And now the ceiling has to be washed and sterilized!
>>2632617>le mods are le nafoidsProove it.
>>2632607I only apply it to the PSUV
>>2632533Oh so this poster, just like "King Lear", is just another strawman "person" the righist revisionists glowies on /leftypol/ pull out whenever a revolutionary communist starts posting.
Makes sense now.
Hope the the leftcom-flag posters that don't post 24/7 like this "person" get a trip or something.
>>2632624anyone can talk about their 'miserable conditions'. doing it without nuancing it with the sanctions effect, and the imperialist aggression is 'traitor class'.
>>2632622>>2632617the mods are just dumb and don't really care about this site but retain ownership over it because they don't have anything else to do and think that /edu/ functions like the central committee to a political party
>>2632706Damn this place is like the USSR
ZING
>>2632714Lol at first I was like nah, but then I was like holy shit you're right.
>>2632147>>2632400If AmeriKKKa is a paper tiger then all the -ACKsis of Redditstance nations are paper coughing babies.
>>2632881they apparently today admitted 7 injuries (which could still be understated)
>>2632607It’s just a smug left com and a China flag- bitching that it’s “not real socialism so it shouldn’t be supported.” Or that it’s too weak and deserves it.
Libs online and in mainstream discourse don’t like the invasion but think Maduro is a dictator no better than Trump.
One ounce of research on his social stances, his policies, and his dance moves and you’ll see he’s a far cry from Cheeto ᴉuᴉlossnW.
And if he was a dictator (doubtful) what makes him one? Because he’s stayed in power for more than 5 years? Because he gave his citizens weapons (as any self proclaimed socialist government should) That he maintains the commune system albeit somewhat overlooking them?
He’s not perfect, but he’s ultimately preferable to Trump. People just assume he’s a dictator due to some autocratic policies on his part.
Libs, ironically, don’t have the nuance to see the difference between a dancing bus driver unionist who became president and was the guitarist and vocalist of a rock n roll band called enigma, to the guy who ran the apprentice.
>>2631655Sources on Luxemburg and Lenin commenting on Lassalle? Never crossed my mind before.
>Inb4 bla bla I am well aware of 1. the epistemological gap due to geographic distance between Lenin and certain peculiarities inside the SPD (i.e. his big shift of opinion on Kautsky) and 2. that Luxemburg lacked the adequate initiative that certain problems called for, even though she was on the correct side generally speaking for many domestic disputes internal to the Party
Also just gonna point out that Kautsky falsified Marx and Engels writing and one of the last things Engels did was to felt betrayed by Kautsky, which was followed by Kautsky's clique taking advantage of the vacuum to steer
slowly towards counter-revolutionary developments of the SPD (Luxemburg and Lenin did not know of Engels-Kautsky split until many years later).
>corrupt labour aristocracy rule isn't fascism
You are all morons
>>2633260>corruptliberal detected
>>2633165Did not know about the falsified writings. Not sure how to feel since I'm currently reading theories if surplus value
>>2633272I am bot the one defending a social democracy where there are bourgeois elections, where private property still exists, where wage labour and commodity production are still a thing, that's you.
Not only was this labour aristrocRAT actively denying the Venezuelean workers and the party the opportunity to alocate production according to a communist program, but days before he was kidnapped by the orange cheeto he doubled down and begged the US to let him stay in power and states he would allow more foreign investments in key economic sectors.
>>2633326have you considered suicide? it would be the biggest help you could give to the communist cause
>>2633326all you say is extremely liberalcoded lol i dont know how i didnt notice it before
>>2633333Pseudo-leftcom scum like that is purgebait. You just know that a communist order that is exactly everything that they demand would still be bad, if it wasn't western enough, and they'd be dissidents, anyway.
>>2633359it's all so fucking stupid too because
1. Vuvuzela was never ML, china criticized them for this, and they've eaten shit nonstop because of it
and 2. this exact leftcom poster admitted that the chinese model is the best one
He's a leftcom but clearly has never read marx, he's probably not even 20 years old and has no clue why "commodity production" isn't even abolished until higher stage communism in marx's own fucking writings.
>>2633403Well, KKE said some stupid shit, so he just follows.
>>2633403>He's a leftcomIf he's the same leftcom flag, he started a thread citing Rojava and the Zapatistas as examples of successful actually existing left communism (neither is remotely "leftcom" in theory or practice and have never described themselves that way).
The general in command of Venezuela's presidential honour guard, Javier Marcano Tábata, has been sacked days after Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro was seized by US forces in a raid in Caracas and taken to New York to stand trial on narco-terrorism charges.
The presidential honour guard is the military force which provides the bodyguards tasked with protecting the head of state.
While the Venezuelan government has not yet provided a detailed breakdown of casualties, members of the guard are thought to be among the dozens of people killed in the US operation to seize Maduro.
The order to replace Gen Marcano Tábata was issued by the new interim president, Delcy Rodríguez.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e5d9j66l0o>Venezuela negotiates oil sale to the United StatesVenezuela's state oil company, PDVSA, reported on the course of negotiations with the U.S. under schemes similar to those maintained with other companies in the sector.
On Wednesday afternoon, Petróleos de Venezuela, SA (PDVSA) issued a statement announcing negotiations for the sale of crude oil to the United States. In a brief statement, the state-owned oil company indicated that the sale of "volumes of oil" is taking place "within the framework of the existing trade relations between the two countries."
Along those lines, the statement details that the sale of the crude oil is being carried out "under schemes similar to those in place with international companies, such as Chevron , " and clarifies that the negotiation is based on "a strictly commercial transaction, with criteria of legality, transparency and benefit for both parties."
PDVSA's message comes after US President Donald Trump announced a purchase of between 30 and 50 billion barrels of Venezuelan oil , which he then plans to sell at market price. This purchase coincides with the ongoing US trade and military blockade of Venezuelan hydrocarbon exports.
https://www.telesurtv.net/venezuela-venta-petroleo-estados-unidos-pdvsa/ >>2633479Yeah he's a total fucking pseud who describes himself as a leftcom based on vibes and "authowitawianism scawyyy".
>Oh you mean there's an even lefter version of communism?? That must be the best one!! >>2633479new zionazi/cia cope: misinterpreting lenin to try to wedge the left from MLs. you're seriously wasting your time posting this drivel on a vietnamese water puppet forum?
>>2633483yeah, it could be a nothingburger, or it could be they identified the traitor.
it similarly happened with the energy minister after the 2017 (2019? my memory is now blurry) blackout, he got sacked, but never got formally arrested nor his family.
Chavismo it's very demanding on these situations: if you are not up to the task, step aside.
>>2633509he did the same with Maduro, btw.
Well at the least the tankies are attacking some random leftcom instead of deep throating the socdems who sold out to the american reich, I'll mark that as progress
>>2633479>>2633403>>2633359Two threads ago, he said Venezuela should just give up and maybe they might be able to cut a deal with the U.S. by taxing the oil. He’s pretty much an apologist for imperialism.
>Trump Advisers Snubbed María Corina Machado in Venezuela Transition Over Her Push for Quickly Moving To a Full Democracy: ReportOfficials cited by Spain's ABC warned that such a move would effectively involve a regime-change occupation reminiscent of Iraq and Afghanistan which Trump ruled out
Senior advisers to President Donald Trump sidelined Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado during deliberations over Venezuela's post-Maduro transition, viewing her insistence on a full democratic overhaul as incompatible with Washington's short-term stability calculations, according to a detailed report by Spain's ABC.
The report says the decision was not driven by improvisation or personal animus but by an internal assessment that installing Machado and her ally Edmundo González after Nicolás Maduro's removal would require a large-scale U.S. military presence.
U.S. security officials cited by ABC warned that such a move would involve thousands of American troops, control of Venezuelan airspace, protection of critical infrastructure and the neutralization of senior military commanders—effectively a regime-change occupation reminiscent of Iraq and Afghanistan, scenarios Trump had ruled out.
Against that backdrop, Trump publicly distanced himself from Machado on Jan. 3, as Maduro was already in U.S. custody. "I think it would be very tough for her to be the leader," Trump said, adding that she lacked "the internal support or the respect within the country."
ABC reports that Machado's uncompromising refusal to engage with regime figures or accept partial measures—such as negotiating the release of a limited number of political prisoners—reinforced perceptions inside the administration that she was unwilling to accommodate a gradual or negotiated transition.
Trump's special envoy to Venezuela, Richard Grenell had sought such gestures but later conveyed a critical view of Machado to Trump, according to sources cited by the outlet.
Other U.S. media have echoed similar accounts. The New York Times reported that Trump officials grew frustrated by what they saw as a lack of operational detail from Machado about how she would govern and manage the armed forces. A CIA assessment, cited by multiple outlets, concluded that regime insiders would be better positioned to manage a temporary transition.
The Washington Post reported that Trump was also irritated by Machado's acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, which he has long coveted. One person close to the White House described the decision as the "ultimate sin," though ABC noted that administration sources deny the Nobel was decisive.
The administration has since shifted toward conditional engagement with interim leader Delcy Rodríguez, delivering a list of demands that includes cooperation on narcotics, expelling foreign operatives and redirecting oil policy, while postponing any discussion of elections.
https://www.latintimes.com/trump-advisers-snubbed-mari-corina-machado-venezuela-transition-over-her-push-quickly-moving-593335 >>2633517>tankiesfuck off back to reddit labor aristocrat.
>>2632607some electoral scandals but its just accused rigging not even on the same level as Macron just ignoring parliament and popular votes or the USian electoral system in general. Hes br00tal dictator but also lets the head of the opposition lead the national assembly you see
>>2633517>tankiesstopped reading there
>>2633519Well there is some nuance here
What they
SHOULD do is Marxism Leninism a la China with a central uniparty communist government, never destalinized in their constitution etc etc (which china told them to do multiple times but were ignored), but they might no longer have the revolutionary opening for that.
So now, with this circumstance, they're having to do dengism without the communism part and liberalize/normalize a ton of industry in order to survive at all.
Venezuela's quality of life is so shitty thanks to the PSUV autism that they actually will have a better economy if they give in to imperialism lmao.
All because they didn't follow the book.
>>2633509I wouldn’t trust him not to arrest him the minute he touches down in Washington at this point.
>>26333261. Most of us here recognise it’s a social democracy with communes and Maduro should have allocated more resources to the communes
2. Despite this, arming the proles and ensuring they defend their communities and gains that have been won in the Bolivarian Revolution is hardly a step away from the program.
3. As has been stated multiple times in this thread, where all you can do is act like a smug redditor, is that the Bolivarian government is preferable to the pedocracy of the USA and ultimately shows that even the most bizarre of social democracies with an anti imperialist program are a threat to US hegemony.
There’s more credence to support them over either side of Russia and Ukraine which is basically an inter imperialist war.
Furthermore, you’re making some big claims over Maduros corruption and him “selling out to oil companies” despite the fact that recently it was revealed that all he wanted was equitable trade as opposed to a one sided deal.
Do you have any sources to back your argumentation or are you just going to shit up another thread.
literally the most deranged, obnoxious, radical shitlibs were right about basically everything in regards to Trump and its only been a year.
I never have voted for Trump and I never would have nor does it make me want to be like I should have HECKIN voted blue but I knew it would be really bad but holy shit this is way worse than I think any reasonable person could have expected. It just gets worse by the day.
>>2633540Does not make want*
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>>2633536to criticize your point that they should allocate more resources to the communes:
What makes you think their assumed communistic mode of production is at all worth saving? If it was better and able to produce enough, then it shouldn't need those infusions. Trying to force a leap-frogging to a communist mode of production without even having a communist vanguard party at the helm is fucking
reeeetarded >>2633540I hate to say it here because it's "cringe" or whatever but the CPUSA line of sucking it up and voting blue for 15 minutes of your time once every 2 years has historically been proven correct. The communists across the entire world have recommended it openly forever. And this is exactly why you do it lmao
Danish MP to CNN now: "They talk about they're the only ones who can protect Greenland, but they're the only ones threatening Greenland. Neither China nor Russia are threatening Greenland"
>>2633479How? Yes, they have communes, but Rojava doesn’t adhere to a central party line, rather a form of pogramtic unity via various orgs and parties that operate within its communes.
Even then, it has commodity production and rejects form state structures of governance. It’s a left coms worst nightmare.
>>2633549>still becomes target of yankee imperialismVietnam experiences nothing like this whatsoever but a good kek regardless
>>2633551omg are europeans actually starting to wake up
>>2633536>>2633555your point 3 however is really good and I agree. Obviously I support vuvuzela over the US. But where the critique applies, it applies: Maduro is learning firsthand why you follow the book
>>2633536>>2633544>>2633566also just wanted to say that I am NTA you were (you)ing
>Vance says the US will 'control the purse strings' of Venezuela in Fox News interview
The U.S. strategy to run Venezuela is to “control the purse strings," Vice President JD Vance said in early excerpts of an interview with FOX News.
“We control the energy resources, and we tell the regime, you're allowed to sell the oil so long as you serve America's national interest, you're not allowed to sell it if you can't serve America's national interest. And that's how we exert incredible pressure on that country without wasting a single American life, without endangering a single American citizen,” Vance said.
Vance also claimed the tanker the U.S. seized in the North Atlantic sea – the Motor Tanker Bella I – was a “fake Russian oil tanker” that pretended to be Russian “in an effort to avoid the sanctions regime
>Trump says Venezuela to only purchase American-made products with money from oil deal
President Donald Trump said he has been informed that Venezuela "is going to be purchasing ONLY American Made Products" with the money from the deal with the U.S. to export Venezuelan oil.
"In other words, Venezuela is committing to doing business with the United States of America as their principal partner – A wise choice, and a very good thing for the people of Venezuela, and the United States," Trump posted on his social media platform.
On Tuesday, Trump announced that Venezuela would be turning over up to 50 million barrels of oil to the U.S. to be sold at the market rate. The proceeds would go to benefit the people of Venezuela and the U.S., Trump said.
In the post on Wednesday, Trump said the purchases of American products would include agricultural products, medicines, medical devices and equipment to improve Venezuela's electric grid and energy facilities
>Senate to vote Thursday on war powers resolution on Venezuela
The Senate is set to vote Thursday on a war powers resolution from Sen. Tim Kaine that would block the use of the U.S. Armed Forces to engage in hostilities within or against Venezuela unless authorized by Congress.
The legislation is being co-sponsored by Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, Republican Sen. Rand Paul, and Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif. It will need a simple majority of votes to pass in the Senate.
It's unclear whether it will get those votes.
The Senate voted on a similar resolution in October that narrowly failed to get the 50 votes it needed to pass. Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Rand Paul voted with all Democrats to advance it at the time.
Already, many Republicans are distancing themselves from the effort this time.
Republican Whip John Barrasso said earlier Wednesday the measure would weaken the president's constitutional authority.
"It does not reassert Congress’s powers. It does not make America stronger. It makes America weaker and less safe," he said.
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>>2631268as an uruguayan who used to know libertardians this hits too close to home.
these people are cucks of the soul.
>>2633544Because the communes have proven to be better at actually providing structure and planning and building better infrastructure than some of the state owned/ private companies that Maduro has been bailing out.
Not to mention it is because of the communes that Venezuela hasn’t starved to death and that its people can mobilise against imperialist aggression.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/04/10/the-advance-of-the-commune-in-venezuela/https://publicseminar.org/2025/03/commune-or-nothing-review/https://venezuelanalysis.com/interviews/venezuelas-communal-project-a-conversation-with-angel-prado/Who’d a thunk that actually allowing people to organise communally as opposed to be being riddled by state beauraucracy and detachment would yield results and be crucial to the ongoing survival of the revolution?
>>2633566Honestly, seems his decision to grant more power to the communes and move away from economic austerity is why the revolution is likely to succeed not because of some Stalinist top down terror.
No offence, ofc.
Stating this because said communes have now formed peoples militias and are now cracking down on trump supporters.
>>2633598hey I mean if it's working then that's awesome. If their productivity is so good that they actually have surplus to provide for everyone else, then maybe they should have communal aircraft carrier factories…
Do they have industrial communes as well?
>>2633611>Do they have industrial communes as well?they do exist.
>have communal aircraft carrier factoriesman, you expect a 30 million people's country to run into some bolivarian-jucheism, that's out of the material possibility.
>>2633619>you expect a 30 million people's country to run into some bolivarian-jucheismA MAN CAN DREAM DAMMIT
>>2633550>>2633540total lib facebook wine mom vindication
>>2633625wine moms hold up half the sky
>>2633550>but the CPUSA line of sucking it up and voting blue for 15 minutes of your time once every 2 years has historically been proven correct. the reason why you had to choose between 2x hitler and .99x she-hitler is exactly that strategy
>>2633625telling lib wine moms that [insert AES here] would have just arrested every MAGA cultist and executed the entire GOP leadership is a surprisingly productive way to speak with some americans about socialism
>>263363050% less hitler for 15 minutes of effort once every 4 years (2 years and yearly for local elections and senate etc) is probably worth it??
>>2633611Researching that now. To my knowledge, it’s mostly urban and rural, and most are focused on food production, community defence, and infrastructure repair/ management. Granted, there are factories in these communes, but it seems that they’re used in service of the functions mentioned previously.
Although the possibility may present itself, it seems most of their industrial manufacturing for weapons, military gear etc, is most likely in state/ private hands- not to mention it’s been relatively hindered by US sanctions. Venezuela has, however, been buying its jets and weapons from Russia and anyone else who’ll sell them.
>>2633633it's 98% hitler then 99% hitler then 99.9% hitler and so on
>>2633619> that's out of the material possibility.We can have a slice of idealism, as a treat.
>>2633636infinitely approaching never reaching hitler
>>2633631I think Kyle Kulinski is a funny case study because he has said recently that he's become radicalized beyond social democracy, but what he actually says has nothing to do with socialism or communism. What he actually says is we need re-education camps for MAGA and that he understands the point of gulags now, and he seems dead serious when he says it. It's the opposite of "socialism is a good idea but ML states are too authoritarian". He literally just wants medicare for all + gulags lol.
>>2633644We critically support this model of Socialism with American Characteristics for the glory of the future of man
the genocide ended the normal pretense of international politics, biden was arresting students for protesting in plain daylight and putting them in black vans. the pretense of a rule based order died with biden, not with trump. if a party is willing to tolerate genocide, then they would have been willing to tolerate everything else. i mean look at how the brits are doing under a labour government, they have white supremacists marching the streets, and a re-energized hyper-surveiled police state it's barely distinct from the US, it's not too hard to imagine that it would've been very different with kamala
like i said before "normal" politics ended when bernie lost, that was your last chance at "normalcy".
MAGA communist, PatSoc, Brazilian sandinista anon, The Grayzone orbiters, Jimmy Dore, dissident right and various left-contrarians' claim that Trump is le anti-imperialist status?
>>2633644guess he just accepted the ole "some people just need killen" is true.
doubtful he'd ever realize that almost everything he hates is the built-in product of capitalism and soc-dem can't stop the system producing what it will always produce in the end unless you end that system and replace it with socialism. even if socdems score a victory here and there the monied interests will always make the system return to the mean.
>>2633656Talking about spirits and ghosts of nationalism I guess.
>>2633644If the people who say this are in power, they are a danger, cause they are radsocdems who will do anything to protect capitalism from barbarity (futile).
If the people who say it are street libs, they can be more radicalised to eliminate the hitler particles. The problem is that the first ones, can atract the second ones.
>>2633590thank god we don't have a libertarian party
that powerful
vamo arriba
>>2633536>As has been stated multiple times in this thread, where all you can do is act like a smug redditor, is that the Bolivarian government is preferable to the pedocracy of the USA and ultimately shows that even the most bizarre of social democracies with an anti imperialist program are a threat to US hegemony. Not a threat to the US at all. It just hurts ideological egos and Venezuelans/Cubans are a swing bloc in certain states.
Venezuela literally had the US ride in on Vietnam era aircraft and yank the fucking PRESIDENT out of the Presidential Palace lmao.
Imagine thinking this absolute kleptocratic idiotic hyper corrupt shithole is any threat to the US at all.
The reason nobody comes to help Venezuela is nobody trusts them. When your institutions are some cardboard boxes held up by shoving money into certain pockets while 50% of Government expenditure "disappears" completely unaccountable, while your army is led by the drinking buddies and nepobabies of corrupt generals from the early 2000s, while a third of the population flee, then nobody is going to seriously invest in your country. China didn't, Russia didn't and not even Cuba really did.
Why in fuck would any of these countries give sensitive hardware or support to Venezuela when they know it will appear in CIA hands due to $50 here and there? Russia gave them THOUSANDS of old Soviet gear and Venezuela couldn't even be arsed to set up basic layered defence because their Government is actually RETARDED.
>There’s more credence to support them over either side of Russia and Ukraine which is basically an inter imperialist war. No, there really isn't, the sooner Venezuela is not an albatross around the neck of the fucking left the better. This country has been a complete fucking lost cause smearing the left and the name of Socialism in complete and total fucking shit for 15 years now.
Gorbachev was more of a serious politician than these corrupt clowns and that's saying something.
Could anybody imagine the US flying in and stealing Diaz Carnel in 10 minutes with zero casualties? No, of course not, and Cuba has been under full blockade for fucking DECADES. Why? Because the country has serious fucking institutions, ideologically committed soldiers who won't just turn off all the air defenses and run the moment they hear Helicopters. The people who died defending Maduro, Cubans.
>man, you expect a 30 million people's country to run into some bolivarian-jucheism, that's out of the material possibility.Yeah, how dare a country larger than many European countries with large high tech defence manufacturing bases, along with Australia and unlimited oil money have a functioning economy, institutions and industry, that's fucking impossible.
>>2633514>he did the same with Maduro, btw.He did the same with Hamas, multiple times as well. I honestly don't see any reason at all to personally answer US diplomacy ever.
Wanna talk? make a call.
Wanna meet? Meet the lowliest clearance functionary and everything in writing over the table.
Wanna negotiate? No you don't. Send the bourgeois to speak directly. We ain't gonna address your social media ramblings. You don't write those and you can't remember most of what you do either.
>>2633750>if your country didnt manage to hurt the military hegemon of the world during a successful well planned lightning special op it means you deserve it and everyone should repeat their ridiculous propaganda against youkys fucker
>turn off all the air defenses and run do some dumbfucks really believe that? they literally leveled the air defenses
>>2632148Some one needs to do a reverse Assad type meme but instead being about every geostrategic ally Xi shakes hands with ending up being overthrown and our based heckin social-imperialist pole "doing nothing"
>>2633792
>if your country didnt manage to hurt the military hegemon of the world during a successful well planned lightning special op it means you deserve it and everyone should repeat their ridiculous propaganda against youLmao, absolute fucking god tier copium here. They flew a fucking MH-6 A FUCKING M H 6 into the Presidental Palace area.
A fucking pistol can take out that fucking gay ass little ultra-light copper lmao. Where were all the thousands of BUK missiles that Russia just gave them? Oh yeah, on a truck into Colombia because somone got bribed.
>do some dumbfucks really believe that? they literally leveled the air defensesAh yes a few explosions is enough to destroy hundreds of pieces of air defenses that were supposed to be layered through valleys.
Absolute fucking retard tier. Literal shittiest tier of shit tier Governments. Even Cartels put up more of a fight lmao.
Venezuela is a fucking ultra-corrupt kleptocatic incompetent shithole. Stop fucking supporting every fucking craphole terrible dipshits because they don't like the US. What next? Critical support for Los Zetas?
>>2632167>More copiumYeah here in the EU I've never even heard the English language in my entire life!
>>2633602Unironically the correct economic policy in the attempt to reestablish imperial dominance. Guaranteed access to strategic resources and competition-free markets to bolster industrial development. They exploit the oil, sell it for dollars to themselves, and buy products back from themselves, the money never leaves the US, and the commodities are just consumer treats for the country-selling middle class. The US could even agri-dump like they did Mexico and Haiti and destroy the food sovereignty that Chavismo achieved during the crisis, which no lib will talk about while saying "muh corruption and incompetence".
>>2633750> Imagine thinking this absolute kleptocratic idiotic hyper corrupt shithole is any threat to the US at all. The reason nobody comes to help Venezuela is nobody trusts them. When your institutions are some cardboard boxes held up by shoving money into certain pockets while 50% of Government expenditure "disappears" completely unaccountable, while your army is led by the drinking buddies and nepobabies of corrupt generals from the early 2000s, while a third of the population flee, then nobody is going to seriously invest in your country.
I’m honestly surprised the China flag poster is repeating USA talking points and info from the CATO institute of all people.
Because it’s not as if Venezuela has actually launched anti corruption campaigns, like China has…
Oh wait
https://socialbites.ca/news/venezuelas-anti-corruption-drive-power-policy-and-public-trustWhat’s next? You’re going to state they have 60 billion dollars worth of bitcoin in their shadow reserve?
> the court case is going to fail, maduro will walk
> the USA couldn't have a lower global standing
> bye bye puppet UN, henlo real UN, henlo real ICC
> china couldn't have a higher global standing
> not even nugget fatty mcchicken's worst scandal
> personally responsible for leaking documents proving he's a kiddy diddler out diddling kids like diddy did
> everyone's still losing their shit about the baby he spiked into lake michigan
> everyone's still losing their shit that israel jeffstein eiffel towered his mail order epstein girl wife
> literally immediately after trying to play war crimes off as a W his brownshirts shot a woman in the face
USA gonna balkanize itself
>>2633656>MAGA communistHow is ACP doing with fallout anyway? Do they swear it never happened or what?
>>2633987they haven't issued nothing in their journal since last month, but i hope they come to reason
>Trump considers taking control of Venezuela's PDVSA, lower oil prices to US$50 a barrel: WSJBengaluru - US President Donald Trump and his advisers are planning an initiative to dominate the Venezuelan oil industry for years to come, and the president told aides he believes his efforts could help lower oil prices to US$50 a barrel, the Wall Street Journal reported on Jan 7.
A plan under consideration includes the United States exerting some control over Venezuela’s state-run oil company PDVSA, including acquiring and marketing the bulk of the company’s oil production, the report said, citing people familiar with the matter.
Reuters could not immediately confirm the report. The White House did not respond immediately respond to Reuters’ request for comment.
Oil prices have slid this week on the prospect of higher Venezuelan crude output, though they recovered on Jan 8, with US crude rising 0.7 per cent to US$56.38 a barrel, while Brent crude futures advanced 0.7 per cent to US$60.37.
The US is looking to wield control of PDVSA through a deal under which it would work to buy and possibly distribute the company’s oil, including through past and current joint ventures with oil majors like Chevron, the report added.
PDVSA said earlier on Jan 7 it is progressing in negotiations with the US for oil sales, as a board member told Reuters the US will need to buy cargoes at international prices.
On Jan 6, Washington announced a deal with Caracas to get access to up to US$2 billion worth of Venezuelan crude, a sign that Venezuelan government officials are responding to Mr Trump’s demand that they open up to US oil companies or risk more military intervention.
US oil companies want “serious guarantees” from Washington before they make large investments in Venezuela, the Financial Times reported on Jan 7.
US officials held talks with top energy executives in Miami on Wednesday, the FT reported, citing people familiar with the matter. Mr Trump is scheduled to meet with the heads of major oil companies at the White House on Jan 9 to discuss ways of raising Venezuela‘s oil production and representatives from Exxon Mobil, ConocoPhillips and Chevron are expected to be present.
Chevron meanwhile is in discussions with US government officials over potentially extending its special licence to operate in Venezuela, which exempts it from US sanctions. REUTERS, BLOOMBERG
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/trump-considers-taking-control-of-venezuelas-pdvsa-lower-oil-prices-to-us50-a-barrel-wsj-reports?ref=latest-headlines >>2633519nice fake and made up accusation.
I understand your desire to see Venezuela bombed just to satisfy your psycopathic need to see geopolitical conflict develop, but Venezuela will lose any military conflict they enegage in against the US, and after they lose, the result is going to be the same, Big Porky Cock will take over the entire country.
Let me guess, you somehoe hold the delusional belief that both China and Russia will interviene and save the people of Venezuela in case of war?
You people are beyong fucking dumb.
Chevron in Talks with US for Expanded Venezuela Oil License, Sources Say
https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/news-services/reuters/20260108-302838/So is regime change in Venezuela happening or?
What da Trump doin?
>China’s Top Oil Firms Turn to Beijing for Guidance on VenezuelaLeading Chinese oil companies with interests in Venezuela have asked Beijing for guidance on how to protect their investments as Washington cranks up pressure on the Latin American country to increase its economic ties with the US.
State-owned firms led by China National Petroleum Corp. raised concerns this week with government agencies and sought advice from officials, in an effort to align their responses with Beijing’s diplomatic strategy and to salvage existing claims to some of the world’s largest oil reserves, according to people familiar with the situation. They asked not to be identified as the discussions are private.
The companies, closely monitoring developments even before the US seized President Nicolas Maduro at the weekend, are also conducting their own assessments of the situation on the ground, the people said. Top Beijing officials are separately reviewing events and trying to better understand corporate exposure, while planning for scenarios including a worst case where China’s investments would go to zero, they added.
While it is typical for government-backed firms to maintain close ties with officials in Beijing, the emergency consultations underscore the stakes for Chinese majors, caught off-guard by Washington’s raid and by the rapid escalation of efforts to establish a US sphere of influence in the Americas. Beyond the immediate impact of US actions, all are concerned about long-term prospects, the people said.
Chinese companies have established a significant footprint across Latin America over the past decades, including under the Belt and Road Initiative. Venezuela, with few other friends, has been among the most important beneficiaries of this largesse — in part because of its vast oil wealth.
China first extended financing for infrastructure and oil projects in 2007, under former President Hugo Chavez. Public data supports estimates that Beijing had lent upwards of $60 billion in oil-backed loans through state-run banks by 2015.
Over that time, as US sanctions tightened, China became the country’s largest oil buyer and its biggest creditor. State-owned oil producers including CNPC, the parent of PetroChina Co., and China National Offshore Oil Corp. have oil and gas developments in the Orinoco heavy crude belt and other areas, while Chinese players have also invested in refining and petrochemical facilities.
Companies became more cautious in recent years, as the Venezuelan economy deteriorated and projects operated far below design capacity. Most cut back as China’s own priorities also changed, though a few, including CNPC, still have staff on the ground to manage operations including its joint venture with Venezuelan state firm PDVSA.
But Venezuela still owes billions, and earlier this week China’s top financial regulator asked policy banks and other major lenders to report their exposure, and urged them to strengthen risk-monitoring of all related credit. China Development Bank has been a key lender through crude-backed financing arrangements.
Decades of mismanagement have eroded Venezuela’s oil infrastructure and under Maduro crude output fell sharply. Oil purchases from Venezuela accounted for just 4% of China’s total crude imports in 2025. The more significant concern for producers is the sheer extent of past spending, and the country’s potential.
China has criticized the Trump administration’s reported call for Venezuela to sever its alliances with US rivals, labeling the move a “bullying act”, adding other countries have rights which must be protected. The comments follow reports by ABC News and the New York Times that the White House has demanded Venezuela cut back its ties with China, Russia, Iran and Cuba, long its only partners.
China’s biggest oil names, CNPC, Sinopec and CNOOC, did not immediately respond to Bloomberg News queries. SASAC, which supervises state-owned companies, also did not immediately comment.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-08/china-s-top-oil-firms-turn-to-beijing-for-guidance-on-venezuela >>2634000>>2634008i hope delcy is ok
>>2633024Quote a single post where a left-leaning person says Maduro is the same as Trump, you liar.
>but he’s ultimately preferable to TrumpToo bad the opportunity of having him over Trump is gone, because his mismanagement of the country resulted in him being kidnapped.
>Chinese refiners expected to replace Venezuelan oil with Iranian crude, traders saySINGAPORE, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Chinese independent refiners are expected to switch to heavy crude from sources including Iran in coming months to replace Venezuelan shipments halted since the U.S. removed the country's president, traders and analysts said.
Caracas and Washington agreed to export up to $2 billion worth of Venezuelan crude to the United States, President Donald Trump said on Tuesday, after U.S. forces captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro over the weekend.
That arrangement is likely to curtail Venezuelan supply to China, analysts say, reducing a source of cheap oil for independent refiners known as teapots. The world's biggest crude importer is a major buyer of discounted sanctioned oil from Russia, Iran and Venezuela.
AMPLE RUSSIAN, IRANIAN SUPPLY
"The Venezuela drama hits China's independent refineries the hardest, as they may lose access to the discounted heavy barrels," said Sparta Commodities analyst June Goh.
"However as there are ample Russian and Iranian feedstocks available and Venezuelan barrels on water, we do not foresee the teapots needing to bid up for unsanctioned barrels as the economics would likely not make sense for them," she said.
China imported 389,000 barrels per day of Venezuelan oil in 2025, about 4% of its total seaborne crude imports, Kpler data showed.
At least a dozen sanctioned vessels that loaded in December departed Venezuelan waters in early January carrying some 12 million barrels of crude and fuel, Reuters has reported. However, loadings for Asia at Venezuela's main ports have stopped since January 1, shipping data showed.
With supply tightening, sellers of Venezuelan Merey crude for prompt delivery offered cargoes at discounts of about $10 per barrel to ICE Brent versus $15 last month, said one trader, although trade has come to a standstill.
Another trader said offers were at minus $11 per barrel.
FLOATING STORAGE CAN LAST 75 DAYS
Venezuelan crude aboard ships in Asia remains sufficient to cover roughly 75 days of Chinese demand, limiting any immediate upside for alternatives, said Kpler senior analyst Xu Muyu.
Teapots using Venezuelan oil are likely to switch to Russian and Iranian supply in March and April, and China can also tap non-sanctioned sources such as Canada, Brazil, Iraq, and Colombia, she said.
Buyers have yet to start sourcing alternatives, trade sources said, with Iranian Heavy crude priced at a discount of about $10 per barrel to ICE Brent in ample supply, the cheapest alternative.
Teapots may also consider Middle Eastern grades such as Iraqi Basrah, a Singapore-based trader said.
Meanwhile, discounts for Canadian crude such as Cold Lake and Access Western Blend exported from the Trans Mountain pipeline have widened more than $2 this week to $4-$5 a barrel to ICE Brent for April delivery to China on expectations of lower U.S. demand, traders said.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-venezuela-transfer-50-112031954.html >U.S. reduces number of warships near Venezuela after Maduro raidThe USS Iwo Jima and the USS San Antonio have been relocated to waters north of Cuba, and the Air Force also has withdrawn some aircraft from the region.
The fleet of U.S. warships assembled in the Caribbean Sea during the run-up to Saturday’s capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has begun to thin, officials said Wednesday, though the Trump administration is expected to continue military operations in the region.
The shift includes the relocation of the USS Iwo Jima and the USS San Antonio to waters north of Cuba in the Atlantic Ocean, defense officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the movements. At least one of the vessels could return to its home port in Norfolk in coming weeks, one official said. The vessels remain assigned to U.S. Southern Command, which oversees military operations in much of Latin America, and could be moved into the Caribbean again if required, a second official
The moves reduce the number of U.S. troops in the Caribbean by a few thousand, to roughly 12,000, and come as it remains unclear whether President Donald Trump will deploy any ground forces to Venezuela to stabilize security there. He has left the door open to the possibility, while officials say that any such deployment would be temporary and focused on protecting oil infrastructure.
Still, the vessels’ shift to the Atlantic underscores that their principal mission has been completed and indicates that the Trump administration may rein in the number of ships it keeps in the region as it balances multiple national security priorities.
Select Air Force assets — including Special Operations CV-22 aircraft used for combat search and rescue and MC-130s needed for aerial refueling — also have departed, a third U.S. official said. Both airframes were used to support the Maduro raid, that official said.
Spokespeople for U.S. Southern Command and the Pentagon did not respond to requests for comment.
The naval buildup began over the summer, with a three-ship task force led by the Iwo Jima among the first to be dispatched. The vessel, carrying Marines from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit, deployed with the San Antonio and the USS Fort Lauderdale, which was still in the Caribbean as of Wednesday.
The buildup expanded significantly in October, when Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford and several associated warships to redeploy from European waters to the Caribbean.
Last month, as he urged Maduro to leave, Trump also announced a blockade of all oil tankers under sanctions entering or leaving Venezuela, and falsely claimed in a social media post that Venezuela was “completely surrounded by the largest Armada ever assembled in the History of South America.” U.S. forces have since interdicted a handful of tankers, including two on Wednesday.
While Pentagon officials have not provided a full accounting of how its ships were used in the Maduro raid, comments from Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, revealed that both the Ford and Iwo Jima played key roles.
Caine, speaking at a news conference alongside Trump and other top national security advisers, said the operation included 150 aircraft launched from 20 different locations, including some at sea. Among the fighter jets involved were F-18s and EA-18s, Caine said. Both are deployed aboard the Ford.
After Maduro was captured by members of the Army’s elite Delta Force, he was brought by helicopter to the Iwo Jima. Later in the day, he was flown to New York, ahead of his arraignment Monday on narco-trafficking charges.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/01/07/navy-armada-venezuela-maduro/ >>2634016>China has criticized the Trump administration’s reported call for Venezuela to sever its alliances with US rivals, labeling the move a “bullying act”, adding other countries have rights which must be protected. The comments follow reports by ABC News and the New York Times that the White House has demanded Venezuela cut back its ties with China, Russia, Iran and Cuba, long its only partners.and that's all we're gonna get from the cpc (cuck party of china)
>>2634052not really. I posted this in the PRC thread:
>ctrl+f>embargo>returns 0 results.
>export bans>returns 0 results.
<China sets up export bans, effectively creating an embargo, on Japan.>Objective: to put a break on any military development in Japan.https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/885774/tokyo-urges-beijing-to-revoke-unacceptable-export-bans-as-diplomatic-rift-widens>Japan urged China to withdraw "unacceptable" export bans on dual-use goods, imposed in retaliation for PM Takaichi's Taiwan remarks. Analysts warn the undefined controls on critical minerals could cost Japan's economy billions.
>https://globalimpulsemedia.com/chinas-bans-exports-of-military-use-items-to-japan-japans-military-modernization-destroyed/>The export controls target a wide range of goods, services, and technologies that have both civilian and military applications. According to a catalogue published by the ministry, this includes critical components such as rare earth elements, advanced electronics, aerospace and aviation components, drones, and nuclear-related technology. The ban explicitly prohibits the sale of these items to any Japanese military end-users or for any purpose that contributes to “enhancing Japan’s military strength”.
>This move is widely seen as a strategic blow to Japan’s military modernization efforts. Modern defense systems are heavily reliant on the very technologies now restricted by Beijing. For instance, rare earth elements are indispensable for a vast array of advanced weaponry, including the F-35 fighter jets that form a cornerstone of Japan’s air defense. By cutting off the supply of these critical materials, China is directly targeting the operational readiness and future development of the Japan Self-Defense Forces.Also:
<The HK government has announced the cancellation of the technology minister's scheduled business trip to the United States without explanation.https://hongkongfp.com/2026/01/07/hong-kong-tech-ministers-business-trip-to-us-axed-4-hours-after-announcement/>The Hong Kong government gave no explanation as to why technology chief Sun Dong’s business trip to Las Vegas and California was suddenly cancelled.the speculation is that the move comes after the attack to Venezuela, as a response.
>The government issued (https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202601/06/P2026010600506.htm) a one-sentence statement at 4.20pm on Tuesday, saying that Sun Dong, the secretary for innovation, technology and industry, had “cancelled his visit to the United States.”and also:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-reportedly-moves-pause-nvidia-190613944.html
<China reportedly moves to pause Nvidia H200 orders>Nvidia, the U.S. government, and China can’t seem to get on the same page about Nvidia’s chips. The U.S. has seesawed on foreign chip policy, finally allowing H200 sales to China — despite severe consternation from policy experts. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said this week that Chinese customer demand for H200s is “high — quite high” and that the company has “fired up our supply chain” accordingly. But now, Beijing is reportedly asking Chinese tech companies to stop shopping.also picrel:
>>2634113Not going to listen a single word of this retard.
If you're an American, why the fuck aren't you out forming leftist militias and killing ICE?
>>2634122I have to go to work tomorrow
>>2634037well the good thing is chinese capitalism is alright now I can finally stop worrying
>>2634122Guerillas have to come from the masses. Guerillas, or the type of person who can become a guerilla, creates friction within a location. Friction is bad for business. The whole of American community can be summed up with "support your local small business". Friction, and with it, revolution, is bad for business. Ergo there can be no rising guerilla revolutionary movement within the USA, because those guerillas will find themselves removed from their "communities" as soon as the friction becomes greater than the marketing potential. Renee Nicole Good was effectively a guerilla. She was a normal part of her community with the wherewithal to stand for what's right. In the overwhelming majority of cases, a person like that will find themselves excommunicado from their "community" because a person who stands for liberation, for justice, for liberty for all, is simply someone who by way of the principles they espouse will always create friction. Friction is bad for business, and that means it's bad for community, because the only valid community in America is the consumer one.
What if I'm too fat to become a guerilla?
>>2634119>Foreign capital pls pls develop our industry!Pathetic.
>>2634021Point to me where I was saying left leaning people were comparing him trump first, you illiterate.
Unless you’re going to say liberals are leftists now?
>>2634021You forget the government still considers him the president.
Secondly, again, as I’ve stated multiple times, the revolution doesn’t end with Maduro.
I swear, leftcom redditors weren’t on my bingo list for odd occurrences in 2026 leftypol
>>2634173Shitlibs are on a fundamental level, left leaning, as they aren't aut-rightists or conservatards, they just haven't acquired class consciousness
Literally no one has compared him to Trump, not even them
>>2633319>Did not know about the falsified writingsI seem to have jumbled some details. His rage in 1895 is directed at the SPD central publication,
Vorvärtz, not Die Neue Zeit, replaced its function in 1901). Kautsky did not edit Vorvärtz in 1895 and appears to have not gone full renegade just yet during this era, something that would start in the 1900s, especially in reaction to Luxemburg's entrance into the party.
Surrounding context behind the letter to Kautsky:
<Engels also discussed […] when and where it was appropriate to build street barricades. […] His point about street barricades was simply that developments since the 1848 revolutions made these a much more dangerous proposition than they once were. The forces of the state were better armed and trained than in 1848, for instance. Even so, Engels did not completely renounce the use of barricades. He concluded his lengthy overview of the changed conditions since 1848 with the sentence, ‘This is the key point to keep in mind in analysing any future possibilities for street fighting’, clearly indicating the provisional and conditional nature of his judgments. Later he posed point blank the question of whether street fighting would be debarred from future use. His reply: ‘Absolutely not’. These sentences, however, were removed from the printed copy in Vorwärts [SPD paper]. These and other alterations made Engels’ piece seem much more reformist than he had ever intended.Engels's, 1895,
Engels To Kautsky In Stuttgart:
>To my astonishment I see today in Vorwärts an extract from my Introduction, printed without my knowledge and trimmed in such a way as to make me appear a peace-loving worshipper of legality at any price. So much the better that the whole thing is to appear now in Neue Zeit so that this disgraceful impression will be wiped out.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1895/letters/95_04_01.htm >>2633479>>2633501We could call him
leftist"com" Brazil status?
>>2633165>Sources on Luxemburg and Lenin commenting on Lassalle? Never crossed my mind before.
<Lassalle put into practice the most important historical consequence of the March revolution by finally releasing the German working class from the political conscription of the bourgeoisie and organising it into an independent class party.https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1904/03/lassalle.htmlRosa Luxemburg, Lassalle and the Revolution, (March 1904)
<Let us recall the example of Germany. What was the historic service Lassalle rendered to the German working-class movement? It was that he diverted that movement from the path of progressionist trade-unionism and co-operativism towards which it had been spontaneously moving (with the benign assistance of Schulze-Delitzsch and his like). To fulfil such a task it was necessary to do something quite different from talking of underrating the spontaneous element, of tactics-as-process, of the interaction between elements and environment, etc. A fierce struggle against spontaneity was necessary, and only after such a struggle, extending over many years, was it possible, for instance, to convert the working population of Berlin from a bulwark of the progressionist party into one of the finest strongholds of Social-Democracy. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htmLenin, What is To Be Done, Chapter II
This is NOT to say Rosa and Vlad had no criticisms of Lassalle, indeed they read Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme, which was aimed at Lassalleans. The meme is simply a joke about Marx's personal beef with Lassalle being much more intense than his theoretical beefs let on.
>>2633529>(which china told them to do multiple times but were ignored)Please share your source for this
>>2634202>Engels and Kautsky discussing whether street barricades are still relevant in the 1890s<meanwhile people still use them today.We need a TOTAL REASSESSMENT of proletarian tactics using drone warfare
thank you to the anon that's been posting news and articles amid the general copium slop of this general
>>2632128The Kremlin is forever groveling toward Muh Trump and trying to gain approval as a great power before the next Dem president who ghosts the Kremlin again, but Trump respects only force. Everyone knows that. Trump doesn't respect the fact that the Kremlin hasn't touched one person in the enemy regime. He obviously can't articulate this, but it's clear from his actions in both terms.
>>2634221Oh, I was interpreting it as if China was giving Bolivarian revolution advice on state character in the 90s/2000s or something.
Here's Alan Woods critiquing the PSUV in 2010, a few years after Chavez went on a whole 'I uphold Marx, Lenin and Trotsky!' thing:
>Where Is the Venezuelan Revolution Going?https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/where-is-the-venezuelan-revolution-going-by-alan-woods/ >>2634218Molotov drone drops would be a game changer
>>2634212Lula has good relations with Trump funnily enough, maybe because he has adopted a diplomatic posture unlike Petro who was a lot more confrontational and became an enemy.
>>2634221i recall there was recently some CPC document breaking down their analysis of the Soviet collapse and one of the key points was definitely the Soviets discrediting their past in the 50s. This set in motion an irreversible loss of face for the system and party.
>>2634370So never admit your mistakes?
>>2634017Source?Guessing this is
AI (doesn't look very much like her) as I can't find any new photos from Cilia Flores in regards to this (so far all we have is the sketch right?)
>>2634370>>2634397Which makes the point moot because it was a mistake for China to completely melt down over this. Stalin's cult of personality set up a conundrum for whoever followed anyway, not rejecting part of his legacy would have brought many other issues.
>>2634397>>2634402Dropped your flag:
>>2634402No. China understood that the problem was
fully denouncing Stalin. So they refuse to do it for Mao, and take a dialectical approach. 70% good is their line for Mao. It allows for veneration of founding father personas while keeping rational considerations. Let him be on their currency etc.
Also destalinization meant much more than words. The USSR constitution was stripped of fundamental protections and edicts that lead to their downfall. China refuses to do that as well.
>>2634397it was more that you can't wholesale tear down your national heroes and party legacy, including with lies and spinning everything in the worst possible light, dividing and confusing the population, and then expect the system to continue forward with the same legitimacy as before. By doing this the Kruschevites basically put a poison pill in the heart of the
Soviet system that gradually ate it away to nothing.
>>2634425>national heroesspookity spook
>>2634425i wish i could find the document. it was circulating a year or two ago. (me)
>>2634418Sorry but the CCP didn't understand shit, first they became hostile to the USSR cause of the speech because they wanted to be more Marxist than them (even though they didn't even liquidate the capitalists yet, still didn't as of now!) and most of all of their hatred of soviet timidity toward the US. But THEN they made a complete turn around and ALIGNED WITH THE US AGAINST the USSR. Sorry but China has been retarded, also the people in charge of it now think very badly of the cultural revolution and that it was a mistake even though they will hypocritically tip toe around that and say "it's dialectic yuo see"
>>2634430Humans need spooks. And metaphor. Symbols, psuedo-spiritualism, psycho-technological hacks to organize people around positive abstractions like "values". We're stupid monkeys and the only species on planet earth that display anything close to schizophrenia. We're the only species with religious practice and rituals.
If you ignore this need, especially without anything to replace it, you lose cohesion of the masses, you lose morale. So you must give it to them, in a secular way.
>>2634435>Ccp doesn't understand shitBuddy look at them. They're fucking invincible right now in the face of the most violent and bloodthirsty empire in history. It is precisely because of their intellectual and theoretical integrity that they have survived, regardless of how it may have pissed people off.
After destalinization of USSR and their revisionist turn, China HAD to split or else they would have been pulled down with them. China saw the writing on the wall and
stood up for Stalin. That was the right move and now they're killing it
>>2634435>>2634440And the cultural revolution WAS a mistake! It was fucking dogshit and Mao himself called it off completely. He wouldn't admit it directly but he realized it wasn't working whatsoever.
>>2634397The only mistake was that he was too lax.
>>2634430stirner never led a nation, or a successful revolution, or really anything. the cpc has
Talking about Stalin and how much he ruled in the vuvuzela thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I have something akin to "affection" for you faggots but it's not exactly that. More like a shit you took that you're happy about but it's still disgusting and you'd rather not mention it
>>2634443The cultural revolution was the greatest thing to happen in leftism, it should have never ended
>>2634451The vast majority of the proletariate was fucking pissed about it, Mao admitted this directly. He said it TO the red guard themselves
And I quote:
>You have been involved in the Cultural Revolution for two years: struggle-criticism-transformation [dou-pi-gai]. Now, first, you are not struggling;
second, you are not criticizing, and, third, you are not transforming. Or
rather, you are struggling, but it is an armed struggle. The people are
not happy, the workers are not happy, the peasants are not happy, city
residents are not happy, students in most schools are not happy, most of
the students in your schools are also not happy. Even within the faction
that supports you, there are unhappy people. Is this the way to unify the
world?
It sucked dick.
>>2634459forgot to fix the linebreaks when copypasting from the PDF award
ive been there >>2634459>Then in 1966 came the “cultural revolution”, which lasted a whole decade, a real disaster for China. During that period many veteran cadres suffered persecution, including me. I was labelled the "No. 2 Capitalist Roader" after Liu Shaoqi. Liu was called "commander-in-chief of the bourgeois headquarters" and I "deputy commander- in-chief". Many strange things happened in those days. For instance, people were told that they should be content with poverty and backwardness and that it was better to be poor under socialism and communism than to be rich under capitalism. That was the sort of rubbish peddled by the Gang of Four. There is no such thing as socialism and communism with poverty. The ideal of Marxists is to realize communism. According to Marx, communist society is a society in which the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs is applied. What is the principle of to each according to his needs? How can we apply this principle without highly developed productive forces and vast material wealth? According to Marxism, communist society is a society in which there is overwhelming material abundance. Socialism is the first stage of communism; it means expanding the productive forces, and it represents a long historical period. Only if we constantly expand the productive forces can we finally achieve communism. The Gang of Four's absurd theory of socialism and communism led only to poverty and stagnation. […] Certain individuals, pretending to support the reform and the open policy, call for wholesale Westernization of China in an attempt to lead the country towards capitalism. These people don't really support our policies; they are only trying vainly to change the nature of our society. If China were totally Westernized and went capitalist, it would be absolutely impossible for us to modernize. The problem we have to solve is how to enable our one billion people to cast off poverty and become prosperous. If we adopted the capitalist system in China, probably a small number of people would be enriched, while the overwhelming majority would remain in a permanent state of poverty. If that happened, there would be a revolution in China. China's modernization can be achieved only through socialism, not capitalism. There have been people who have tried to introduce capitalism into China, and they have always failed. -Deng Xiaoping, We shall draw on historical experience and guard against wrong tendencies, April 30, 1987
>>2634463I know dude but I don't want to delete and repost. I was pissed when I saw it
>>2634465ive doen it so many times i gave up on green texting copypasteing
>>2634451It was so great that absolutely no one can explain what it was. 50 years later. Neither its glazers nor its haters can give a reasonable, sensible account of the not-great not-proletarian Cultural Revolution.
>>2634464Mao was a paranoid hot-head for sure. But Deng stuck around and continued the work no matter how much shit he got. He was very committed and well meaning, and he saved China 100%. They have their problems, but it's hard to blame them when they've only been a country since the 50s, having to completely build from the ground up. I know for certain that no matter what happens, at least China will survive.
>>2634464Based.
Are there any writings by the so calles Gang of Four which are not simply superficial sloganeering, but an actual explanation of their views of socialism and whay path they want to put China on?
>>2634474Yeah there's plenty of material; none of which can make sense of what it was. Mao was a great warrior-poet, but a tad bit too poetic for my taste.
The boring silent bureaucrats have less sex-appeal, but they are better suited to run countries.
>>2634480(summarized by ai and too lazy to post the source because it's fox news)
>According to the unclassified US diplomatic cable, the source, a Peking University professor, indicated that people in his social circle at the time, particularly women, found Xi to be boring because he: >Could not discuss movies. >Did not drink or do drugs. >Was generally taciturn and hard to read. This is the way of the true Statesman. The revolutionary is a warrior poet, but his time comes to an end after the smoke has cleared.
>>2634488I think your warrior poet thing is overstated. Lenin didn't drink/smoke, focused more on nonfiction than fiction, and was a huge nerd. And yet he presided over the revolutionary phase, while Stalin was more of a "fun guy" and a "dude bro" yet ended up being the statesman for nerarly 30 years.
>>2634484I'm sure there's a lot to learn about the cultural revolution from a sociological perspective, like a case study.
But as far as practicality for the Chinese Nation and their need to consolidate defenses against imperialism, it was far too risky to let play out for they may have almost inevitably come under fire by the West and Britain and swept aside.
>>2634484sorry, you don't want a situation where retarded teenagers who just became communists are putting actual communists with 30 years of experience who fought against the Japanese in the World Anti-Fascist War on trial. It's very easy to say someone has "become revisionist" or "betrayed the revolution" when you haven't lived through history or had to make actual governing decisions.
>>2634491Ok fair point but also, Stalin was there for the revolution, and was doing a lot of the dirty work like robbing banks to fund it etc. Also Trotsky was the real vociferous hot-head and as you can see, was not the statesman.
The cooler head did prevail in both cases.
>>2634495either way what i'm saying is just spitballing truisms that don't really mean anything. I just thought it was funny to point out that women think Xi is boring lol. It's a fun little tidbit
>>2634432think this summarizes it:
https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1921736261074579785The red flag fell over the Kremlin in 1991.
The West declared victory. China took notes.
For three decades, the CPC has dissected why the USSR collapsed—not because socialism failed, but because its guardians surrendered.
Here’s what China learned. 🧵
1 — Bread, Then Ballots: How Economic Mismanagement Triggered Collapse
China's first lesson: economic reform must consolidate socialism—not dismantle it.
Gorbachev reversed this logic, liberalizing politics before resolving stagnation.
“Gorbachev was pushing political reform ahead of economic reform; China under Deng was promoting economic reform ahead of political reform.” — Victor Gao
Perestroika unleashed market chaos without structure. Supply chains collapsed. Prices exploded.
"The privatization reform led to a serious polarization of the distribution of wealth, a lack of socialist ideals and beliefs, an extremely chaotic sense of ethics and morality, and an all-round regression of the social spirit." — Li Shenming/Chen Zhihua
The acute failure wasn’t socialism itself, but reform without sequence, without control.
2 — Historical Nihilism: How the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Lost the Will to Rule
The CPC’s second lesson: revolutions die when they lose faith in themselves.
“There are multiple factors contributing to the disintegration of the Soviet Union, a very important one being Khrushchev throwing away Stalin’s knife and Gorbachev’s open betrayal of Marxism-Leninism.” - CPC leader Hu Jintao
“Khrushchev’s denunciation ‘shook the foundations’ of Soviet authority.” — Hu Jintao
Gorbachev’s glasnost reforms—intended as renewal—accelerated ideological collapse.
"After the legalization of private newspapers and the privatization of state-run media, the main media in the Soviet Union were soon controlled by private capital and elite forces inside and outside the Soviet Union.
Capital at home and abroad tried its best to vilify and subvert the socialist system and preach the glorification of the eternal rule of capitalism…
With the implementation of the policy of "openness without restrictions," a vigorous trend of historical nihilism that negated the CPSU and the Soviet Union rapidly spread to the historiographical, theoretical, and ideological circles." — Li Shenming/Chen Zhihua
“An important reason [for the Soviet collapse] was that their ideals and convictions wavered.” — Xi Jinping
A party that discredits its own history cannot hold power.
Historical nihilism was suicide by self-critique.
3 — From One Party to No Party: How the CPSU Dismantled Itself
The CPSU didn’t fall to a revolution. It collapsed because no one defended it—not the Party, not the people, not the army.
Gorbachev’s reforms eroded Party control: contested elections, a presidency outside the Party, pluralist elites.
"The so-called Gorbachev-style socialism was just a slogan, he himself did not have a well-formed concept.
At that time Gorbachev also came up with this slogan, ‘More socialism, more democracy’. This is a very stupid way of putting it. Is there socialism or is there not socialism?
The reference to more or less is nonsense.
So when the question was raised as to what is 'more socialism', Gorbachev, the proponent of this formulation, himself spread his arms and didn't know how to answer." — Aleksandr Kapto, Former Head of CPSU Central Committee’s Ideological Department
When the Party’s authority dissolved, the state followed.
Reform without discipline became liquidation.
4 — One Union, Fifteen Flags: How the USSR Imploded from the Periphery
The Soviet Union constitutionally allowed its republics to secede. And when the center weakened, they did.
“Even a symbolic secession clause can become a real dagger when central authority wanes.” — Global Times
Gorbachev’s decentralization enabled nationalist movements to legally dissolve the Union.
“Moscow’s failure to ‘subordinate ethnic identity and stamp out local nationalisms’ was a primary reason the federation dissolved.” — Prof. Ma Rong, Peking University
Beijing responded by rejecting Soviet-style federalism.
China recognizes ethnic diversity—but sovereignty is indivisible. National cohesion is a red line.
5 — Overreach, Not Encirclement: How the USSR Exhausted Itself Geopolitically
The USSR wasn’t simply outgunned—it overextended itself trying to match imperial pressure on imperial terms.
Arms races, Afghanistan, client-state subsidies—it drained itself.
Military spending rose to an estimated 15–17% of Soviet GDP by the 1980s, a colossal allocation that starved civilian sectors.
The CPC sees this as partially self-inflicted. The West pushed, but the USSR walked into the trap.
The Chinese lesson: strength begins with development, not illusions of trust or military footprint.
6 — Dollar Wars: How U.S. Finance Helped Break the Soviet Economy
The CPC also studied how the USSR was broken by oil shocks and credit warfare.
In the 1980s, oil revenues were the USSR’s lifeline. When Saudi overproduction—backed by the U.S.—crashed prices, Soviet income collapsed.
“The Soviet economy was ‘fragile’ by the 1980s, overly dependent on resource exports and burdened by costly obligations.” — CCTV / Global Times
Desperate, Soviet leaders turned to Western credit—but loans came with strings: liberalization, privatization, and chaos.
Core lesson: never let your economy be hostage to foreign currencies, foreign markets, or foreign lenders.
7 — Peaceful Evolution: How the West Won the Information War
The USSR didn’t just lose a battle of arms. It lost a battle of ideas.
Western liberalism entered via glasnost, NGOs, dissidents, and cultural infiltration. The CPSU disarmed itself ideologically—and the West filled the vacuum.
“The CPSU’s removal of the seal of Marxism and Leninism in the ideological field… set free the demon, which destroyed it. The collapse of thoughts brought the collapse of the CPSU.” — CPC Documentary
Western NGOs, spies, and propaganda efforts incubated a pro-Western fifth column within the USSR.
Ideological security is national security. If your enemies teach your youth what to believe, you’ve already lost.
8 — No One Resisted: The Final Lesson of Soviet Collapse
When the end came, no one defended the Soviet Union. 19 million Party members stood down. The military didn’t act. The state evaporated without resistance.
The Party had died long before the flag came down.
“In the end, nobody was a real man, nobody came out to resist.” — Xi Jinping
The CPC sees this as the endgame of ideological surrender, strategic confusion, and liberal reform: not death by external blow—but collapse from within.
"Individuals from Khrushchev to Gorbachev slowly distorted, castrated, falsified, and betrayed the correct theoretical foundation laid by Lenin for the CPSU…
If the foundation is not strong, the earth moves and the mountain shakes. Having lost the theoretical basis of Marxism-Leninism, the Soviet Union’s collapse was inevitable." — CPC documentary
From Beijing's 2006 documentary 'Preparing For Danger In Times Of Safety – Historic Lessons Learned from the Demise of Soviet Communism':
"From the 1991 Soviet disintegration to the end of the 20th century, Russia’s gross domestic product (GDP) declined by 52% compared with the GDP level in 1990, while it declined only 22% during the war years from 1941 to 1945.
Over the same period (1991 to the end of the 20th century), Russian industrial production decreased by 64.5%, and agricultural production by 60.4%.
As the ruble devaluated, prices rose 5000 times.
Since 1992, the Russian population has been declining. In 1990 average life expectancy in Russia was 69.2 years, but it fell to 65.3 years in 2001, almost 4 year’s decline. The male life expectancy in some parts dropped a full 10 years.
The disintegration of the CPSU and the Soviet Union has brought disastrous consequences to the people and the country, far beyond these figures and situations."
>>2634507>The red flag fell over the Kremlin in 1991.
>The West declared victory. China took notes.
>For three decades, the CPC has dissected why the USSR collapsed—not because socialism failed, but because its guardians surrendered.
>Here’s what China learned. 🧵
>1 — Bread, Then Ballots: How Economic Mismanagement Triggered Collapse
>China's first lesson: economic reform must consolidate socialism—not dismantle it.
>Gorbachev reversed this logic, liberalizing politics before resolving stagnation.
>“Gorbachev was pushing political reform ahead of economic reform; China under Deng was promoting economic reform ahead of political reform.” — Victor Gao
>Perestroika unleashed market chaos without structure. Supply chains collapsed. Prices exploded.
>"The privatization reform led to a serious polarization of the distribution of wealth, a lack of socialist ideals and beliefs, an extremely chaotic sense of ethics and morality, and an all-round regression of the social spirit." — Li Shenming/Chen Zhihua
>The acute failure wasn’t socialism itself, but reform without sequence, without control.
>2 — Historical Nihilism: How the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Lost the Will to Rule
>The CPC’s second lesson: revolutions die when they lose faith in themselves.
>“There are multiple factors contributing to the disintegration of the Soviet Union, a very important one being Khrushchev throwing away Stalin’s knife and Gorbachev’s open betrayal of Marxism-Leninism.” - CPC leader Hu Jintao
>“Khrushchev’s denunciation ‘shook the foundations’ of Soviet authority.” — Hu Jintao
>Gorbachev’s glasnost reforms—intended as renewal—accelerated ideological collapse.
>"After the legalization of private newspapers and the privatization of state-run media, the main media in the Soviet Union were soon controlled by private capital and elite forces inside and outside the Soviet Union.
>Capital at home and abroad tried its best to vilify and subvert the socialist system and preach the glorification of the eternal rule of capitalism…
>With the implementation of the policy of "openness without restrictions," a vigorous trend of historical nihilism that negated the CPSU and the Soviet Union rapidly spread to the historiographical, theoretical, and ideological circles." — Li Shenming/Chen Zhihua
>“An important reason [for the Soviet collapse] was that their ideals and convictions wavered.” — Xi Jinping
>A party that discredits its own history cannot hold power.
>Historical nihilism was suicide by self-critique.
>3 — From One Party to No Party: How the CPSU Dismantled Itself
>The CPSU didn’t fall to a revolution. It collapsed because no one defended it—not the Party, not the people, not the army.
>Gorbachev’s reforms eroded Party control: contested elections, a presidency outside the Party, pluralist elites.
>"The so-called Gorbachev-style socialism was just a slogan, he himself did not have a well-formed concept.
>At that time Gorbachev also came up with this slogan, ‘More socialism, more democracy’. This is a very stupid way of putting it. Is there socialism or is there not socialism?
>The reference to more or less is nonsense.
>So when the question was raised as to what is 'more socialism', Gorbachev, the proponent of this formulation, himself spread his arms and didn't know how to answer." — Aleksandr Kapto, Former Head of CPSU Central Committee’s Ideological Department
>When the Party’s authority dissolved, the state followed.
>Reform without discipline became liquidation.
>4 — One Union, Fifteen Flags: How the USSR Imploded from the Periphery
>The Soviet Union constitutionally allowed its republics to secede. And when the center weakened, they did.
>“Even a symbolic secession clause can become a real dagger when central authority wanes.” — Global Times
>Gorbachev’s decentralization enabled nationalist movements to legally dissolve the Union.
>“Moscow’s failure to ‘subordinate ethnic identity and stamp out local nationalisms’ was a primary reason the federation dissolved.” — Prof. Ma Rong, Peking University
>Beijing responded by rejecting Soviet-style federalism.
>China recognizes ethnic diversity—but sovereignty is indivisible. National cohesion is a red line.
>5 — Overreach, Not Encirclement: How the USSR Exhausted Itself Geopolitically
>The USSR wasn’t simply outgunned—it overextended itself trying to match imperial pressure on imperial terms.
>Arms races, Afghanistan, client-state subsidies—it drained itself.
>Military spending rose to an estimated 15–17% of Soviet GDP by the 1980s, a colossal allocation that starved civilian sectors.
>The CPC sees this as partially self-inflicted. The West pushed, but the USSR walked into the trap.
>The Chinese lesson: strength begins with development, not illusions of trust or military footprint.
>6 — Dollar Wars: How U.S. Finance Helped Break the Soviet Economy
>The CPC also studied how the USSR was broken by oil shocks and credit warfare.
>In the 1980s, oil revenues were the USSR’s lifeline. When Saudi overproduction—backed by the U.S.—crashed prices, Soviet income collapsed.
>“The Soviet economy was ‘fragile’ by the 1980s, overly dependent on resource exports and burdened by costly obligations.” — CCTV / Global Times
>Desperate, Soviet leaders turned to Western credit—but loans came with strings: liberalization, privatization, and chaos.
>Core lesson: never let your economy be hostage to foreign currencies, foreign markets, or foreign lenders.
>7 — Peaceful Evolution: How the West Won the Information War
>The USSR didn’t just lose a battle of arms. It lost a battle of ideas.
>Western liberalism entered via glasnost, NGOs, dissidents, and cultural infiltration. The CPSU disarmed itself ideologically—and the West filled the vacuum.
>“The CPSU’s removal of the seal of Marxism and Leninism in the ideological field… set free the demon, which destroyed it. The collapse of thoughts brought the collapse of the CPSU.” — CPC Documentary
>Western NGOs, spies, and propaganda efforts incubated a pro-Western fifth column within the USSR.
>Ideological security is national security. If your enemies teach your youth what to believe, you’ve already lost.
>8 — No One Resisted: The Final Lesson of Soviet Collapse
>When the end came, no one defended the Soviet Union. 19 million Party members stood down. The military didn’t act. The state evaporated without resistance.
>The Party had died long before the flag came down.
>“In the end, nobody was a real man, nobody came out to resist.” — Xi Jinping
>The CPC sees this as the endgame of ideological surrender, strategic confusion, and liberal reform: not death by external blow—but collapse from within.
>"Individuals from Khrushchev to Gorbachev slowly distorted, castrated, falsified, and betrayed the correct theoretical foundation laid by Lenin for the CPSU…
>If the foundation is not strong, the earth moves and the mountain shakes. Having lost the theoretical basis of Marxism-Leninism, the Soviet Union’s collapse was inevitable." — CPC documentary
>From Beijing's 2006 documentary 'Preparing For Danger In Times Of Safety – Historic Lessons Learned from the Demise of Soviet Communism':
>"From the 1991 Soviet disintegration to the end of the 20th century, Russia’s gross domestic product (GDP) declined by 52% compared with the GDP level in 1990, while it declined only 22% during the war years from 1941 to 1945.
>Over the same period (1991 to the end of the 20th century), Russian industrial production decreased by 64.5%, and agricultural production by 60.4%.
>As the ruble devaluated, prices rose 5000 times.
>Since 1992, the Russian population has been declining. In 1990 average life expectancy in Russia was 69.2 years, but it fell to 65.3 years in 2001, almost 4 year’s decline. The male life expectancy in some parts dropped a full 10 years.
>The disintegration of the CPSU and the Soviet Union has brought disastrous consequences to the people and the country, far beyond these figures and situations." >>2634440>>2634443>[China is] fucking invincible right now"Invincible" yet adamant in upholding capitalism with their western imperialist brothers in peace, representative multi-party democracy, human rights, wage labor, production for exchange, capital export, anti-revolutionary internationalism… Curious. Almost like you have the mindset of a baby. Does the "jiggling of the keys" [mass-mediated Chinese soft power] entertain?
>After destalinization of USSR and their revisionist turn, China HAD to split>And the cultural revolution WAS a mistake!Fact: the Chinese "deStalinized" following the attempt of Mao and the CULTURAL REVOLUTION GROUP of opposing the rightists in a LINE STRUGGLE WITHIN THE CPC. The US, west and the CPC right-wing "deStalinized", wrecked the USSR and eastern bloc together and the Chinese proletariat was hyperexploited by international capital. WE ARE HERE and the CPC refuses to dialectically adjust to the left again as the imperialist west have been carrying out a second cold war for a decade that is only getting
more aggressive with time.
WAKE UP.
>>2634444We ALL need to be realistic and adopt a Comintern line! Stop bullshitting ourselves for fucks sake! I am so tired of this "pray to social-imperialism for ignore us and sell us Ziotok miracles and diplomatic best wishes" crap.
>>2634451>>2634459He tried and you can't comprehend the consequences of it failing because you are mentally weak and think historical materialism is about you cheering on team A vs team B on a screen. You are the dictionary definition of an idiot.
>>2634462Yes bombard the headquarters of wreckers of the proletarian dictatorship and central planning. Go fuck yourself.
>make class war against the bourgeoisie but since they are gone say the peasants with land are the new elitesThey were so gone that now a class collaborationist "Communist Party" with a bureaucrat-capitalist central committee can prostitute its working class to western imperialist corporations and a domestic bourgeoisie that work them so hard with so little benefits that they rival any south asian or african dirt-poor country in terms of average annual workinghours, we should cry tears of joy by how invincible and badass they are and they're definitely gonna send those dongfeng missiles to DC tomorrow and press the communism button post-haste! I've definitely internalized the lessons of Marxist critique of religion, idealism, utilize a historical materialist analysis of states and comprehend the centrality of PROLETARIAN DICTATORSHIP AND COMMUNIST PRODUCTION FOR USE IN A POST-ELECTRIFIED, DIGITIZED, NUCLEAR AGE.
>>2634473>I know for certain that no matter what happens, at least China will survive.YOU ARE HAVE REPLACED MATERIAL ANALYSIS WITH RELIGIOUS DEVOTION AND DESERVE ONLY MOCKERY.
>>2634476>Dialectical conflict of two aspects>aspect one: "Based [implying "correct", yet…]""aspect two: "Are there any writings by the so calles Gang of Four which are not simply superficial sloganeering, but an actual explanation of their views of socialism and whay path they want to put China on?"
No investigation, yet so arrogantly ignorant… So infuriating.
https://www.bannedthought.net/China/MaoEra/PoliticalEconomy/FundamentalsOfPoliticalEconomy-Shanghai-1974-English-OCR-SinglePage.pdf>>2634480>Yeah there's plenty of material; none of which can make sense of what it wasYou refuse to learn what it was, because you abhor historical materialism and scientific socialism. You simply want to "bet" on a winning team. Well guess what. Many half-baked morons like you
bet high on the post-Stalin USSR as well.
>>2634492>I'm sure there's a lot to learn about the cultural revolution from a sociological perspective, like a case study. Nah bro never been made before. Simply don't look it up. You've got this, commissar! Vibes!
Systemic compromises require systemic corrections. >>2634484Thanks for the resource and anecdote but wtf does 'blue maga' mean please?
t. Not a yank
>>2634538>no investigation yet arrogantYeah fucking moron thats why i asked for resources, because i did not find any myself
What was arrogant about that request?
>>2634538>completely schizo angry effortpost>thinking china is social imperialist, capitalist, and revisionistAint reading all that
>>2634552Im was accepted to study under Dr Décodé and conduct joint research with with starting March this year!!!!
>>2634550>Suburbanite Gacha Addict wants to spam his ignorant political hot takes non-stop with no pushback Not your Discord chat. You the one copy-pasting unconfigured AI wall earlier? Yes I want to throw you off a bridge.
>>2634552>>2634552This is an AI generated channel btw. It's not the real guy
>[Albanian folk music] "Deshmorit te Atdheut": https://youtu.be/HymQ9Tyq5aMDon't forget: you have to
make it fall, comrades.
>>2634550But Chyna is literally a capitalist nation.
>>2634581obviously, but it still drops truth nukes so who cares. if it's OK to vtube it's OK to do this. I bet Decode is Awakening Richard.
>>2634644>Decode is wrong because AI!!!who cares. it's just the new version of vtubing or tubing as a drawsona
>>2634661if you aren't personally handpainting your rantsona on your local cave walls, you are using too much tech
>>2634654If somebody is going to hide behind AI, Pretend to be credentialed and never show their face or voice, nobody is going to trust them, yes.
Back to /ISG/ with your 'muh vtubing muh drawsona' nobody here cares about or even to know what these things mean.
>>2634553Dr Décodé is incredible
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>>2634712>>2634672>i can't say why he's wrong or attack his arguments, so I'll get mad at the tech he uses to make his vidsyou are also without credentials and you hide behind anonymity also. we all do. noibody cares about bourgeois credentialism anymore. anyone can say shit. a pedophile who somehow bankrupted casinos runs my country and a busdriver ran venezuela. you have no real arguments about why decode is wrong because you won't even digest the material. in the time you spent bitching, you could have just ignored it and moved on with your life
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