2000 KILLED ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT - 6000 KILLED ACCORDING TO HOSPITAL DATAKilling workers in the streets, bending to the west in the sheets - edish
Quick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.
Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils!
>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”
>For decades, our demands for bread have been answered with bullets, and our demands for dignity with prison. But today, the silence has come to an end. We, the workers of Arak’s factories, declare the following:
>Workplace control: From now on, the management of the Machine Manufacturing Company, AzarAb, and Wagon Pars factories will be in the hands of workers’ councils elected by the workers themselves. We no longer recognize managers appointed by the state or the regime’s puppet unions.https://cpiran.org/statement-of-the-workers-councils-of-arak-all-power-to-the-councils/Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR >Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions
… on the petty bourgeoisie. The main demand is to appease the US more so that access to USD is easier.
>an informal, expatriate group of academics
+6000 dead in about two weeks.
Imagine the outrage if they weren't dehumanized third world workers.
Can I have HOPE?
>>2643488I don't support the protests but pretending that only the petty bourgeoisie are being affected by Iran's economic troubles is delusional. Workers always suffer first and foremost in a capitalist economic crisis.
>>2643498For you personally?
>>2643498Sure. It's highly unlikely that these protests will topple the government, therefore we can have hope that this Israeli-US regime change OP will fail.
>>2643510>Western Media: protesters are Shahites!Yeah except that they think this is a good thing. There is no alliance between the Western and Iranian ruling class against these protestors. On the contrary Western politicians of every persuasion are cheering them on. Meanwhile there's no evidence that they are of a socialist, anti-imperialist, or any progressive persuasion whatsoever.
>>2643513>when you discredit and slander a movement to give authorities ammo to destroy it - you're actually supporting itlol
lmoa
>>2643513It's pretty obvious that they're a popular movement against an unpopular government in times of massive economic crisis, it's also obvious that Israel and the US view them as a way to put their puppet in power, in some ways it's somewhat similar to the Iranian revolution
>>2643515>>when you discredit and slander a movement to give authorities ammo to destroy itWhere and how are they doing this? Are you reading what Western politicians are actually saying? Every statement is about how these protestors are heroes yearning for freedom and democracy (and privatization, US bases and IMF loans).
>picOh well if the genocidal butchers in the murderous fascist apartheid cesspool known as Israel pinky promise that they aren't trying to topple the government then it must be true! Are you being serious right now? Is this a joke?
>>2643518>It's pretty obvious that they're a popular movement against an unpopular governmentNo doubt, but that doesn't mean we need to express support for them or that anything good will come of this.
>>2643500Why are you putting words in my mouth? The protests were started by a capitalist strike over access to USD, that is its foundation.
>>2643520We can't do much anyway, but communist forces in Iran should support the movement and attempt to head it in spite of reactionnaires also attempting to do the same, like what might have been done in Arak (Altho I guess this isn't very clear yet)
It’s amazing to think that all of this needless death and destruction and the possible loss of a key anti-imperialist state was brought about by people furious that their women couldn’t dress like whores in public
>>2643495>Imagine the outrage if they weren't dehumanized third world workers.it's all western news are talking about
>>2643517they brought out the ai anime edit. it's over
>immediately forgets about it 5 xeets after >>2643519So you have no answer on how misrepresenting the protests and giving the regime excuses to crush it is materially helping it when the west is fully capable of overthrowing the regime if it wanted. Nice.
Iran is a neoliberal state with European multinationals operating its oil field, it not only enforces IMF policies at home but also abroad like Lebanon and Iraq. Sorry to break the news.
>Israel is always lyingGood thing I don't take their Shahite protests claim seriously like you do.
Though Israel was capable of turning the Ayatollah into red mist if it wanted but it chose to murder Iranian proles instead. A prolonged war is good for business and elections. How else will capital survive without periodically destroying production? I doubt your libshit brain will understand.
>>2643524How many times are we going to go around this circle again where we imagine the poor economic situation isn’t largely a result of western sanctions that won’t be lifted if a usually non-existent-anyway Communist movement comes to power? People neither in Iran nor in Syria nor in Venezuela are whipped up in protest against their governments in revolutionary fervour looking for a better response to sanctions, a communist or socialist response like that of the DPRK where quality of life is nicer than their own despite the same sanctions regime, they’re rising up only to then bend to the pressure of US imperialism as is the plan.
There’s no shame in that for the workers given the lack of a movement to incubate that fervour for the valid reason of anti-communist governance, but there’s absolutely no reason to delude ourselves that this could conceivably lead to anything but a victory for imperialism.
>>2643503how much more blood has to be spilled before the usa and israel bomb the country into ruins (and then worst case the mullahs dont even lose control over the country)?
>>2643524The new Iran will still want to have good relations with China and Russia.
>>2643536This. If these “protests” were remotely legitimate they would be protesting against the American regime and its illegal sanctions rather than blaming the victims. An anti-imperialist state is defacto in a state of defensive war against the full might of the imperial core, no shit there are going to be some restrictions when their national sovereignty is on the line, but the concept of national pride is completely foreign to the Westoid
arak soviet status?
>>2643542Never because the western left benefits from imperialism so its in their best interests to see Iran turned into the Yehud’s whore
>>2643542Iran is already a neoliberal Islamist shithole
>western leftistThe only poc itt are the ones against the massacre of Iranian workers
>>2643541>>2643542Their first enemies are the mullahs and a wannabe Peter the great respectfully. The mullahs rely on country bumpkin reactionaries for their power like the orange menace.
>>2643550>the pro-Shah western leftist is also afflicted with TDSSad!
>>2643526"Key Anti-Imperialist state"
What has Iran's "Axis of Resistance" achieved ? Assad is gone, Hezbollah was destroyed by Israel, Gaza is getting genocided. Litterally only the Houthis are still in a strong enough position. All Iran has achieved is making Israel and Saudi Arabia stronger. Meanwhile Iran's economy is in the gutter and inflatation is at all time high, people's lives are getting worse and worse, while their government is spending millions on failures, and all they can awnser for is by killing random women for the way they dress.
>>2643536Neither the Shah nor the Islamists are communists and both must be ovethrown, communists should attempt to hijack any popular movement against both, it doesn't matter if the economic conditions are largely a result of sanctions or not, this was also the case of Germany in WW1, but that doesn't mean that revolution against the Kaiser wasn't the right move.
>>2643541what would be the point of protesting against America in Iran ? If they want to improve their living conditions that have to fight against their rulers not foreigners. Do you think they should let themselves be killed for realpolitik ?
>>2643552>What has Iran's "Axis of Resistance" achieved ? Destroy Iraqi and Afghan imperialism (war on terror) and enforce austerity in Lebanon
>>2643545>the western left benefits from imperialismi like how the provocative thesis has evolved from
<the western bourgeoisie, petty bourgeoisie, and labor aristocracy benefits from imperialismto
<everyone in the west regardless of class benefits from imperialismto
<the western LEFT specifically benefits from imperialism Why even single out the left in that statement? And not even put it in scare quotes like is usually done on here!
>>2643552>AssadGone thanks to US-Israeli proxies supported by the western left and the cowardice of the Syrian people
>HezbollahStill around and thriving thanks to Iran
>GazaA genocide that happened under the auspices of Joe Biden, who if I recall the western left burned entire cities down and made LARPing “communes” to terrorize people into vooting for him. But at least the orange man didn’t say mean words!
>all this soying out over women not being allowed to dress like prostitutesYawn
>>2643560>supported by the western left Bro why do you project so much? The western left had its mouth glued to assad's cock
Take pride in it
>>2643557All of the west benefits from imperialism, and that includes the left wing of capital. I don’t put left in quotes because as a communist I know that there’s a fundamental difference between communism and leftism
>>2643552>Neither the Shah nor the Islamists are communists and both must be ovethrownRight but given the how the material conditions came to be, the people (much less the proletariat) are the ones making the call over who is being overthrown.
>comparisons to WW1This shit happens so frequently these days and the response on leftypol so invariable, it’s actually cliche’d as fuck by now lol
>>2643567Aren’t the ones making the call*
>>2643563>there’s a fundamental difference between communism and leftismTrue, while we have no war but class war, the left is busy with campism and lesser evil states.
>>2643545Well America could offset its inflation to other countries because of its massive wealth and perceived economic stability for investments. It’s just that the reactionary proles have been indoctrinated to vote against their own interests and put a 6 casino bankrupting madman in charge of the world’s predominant Empire. These people are utterly retarded but hopefully we can build something better in the aftermath of this catastrophe, but realistically the fly over states will be a no go zone if the US ever splits apart.
>>2643563honestly this bait is so stale. left and right are just colloquial shorthand for revolutionary and reactionary. Yes it originates in the bourgeois french revolution but it has taken on new meaning over the intervening centuries. is you dumb?
Can someone tell me if Iran will collapse
>>2643547Ukraine wasn't exactly AES either but the color revolution made everything significantly worse and turned it into a nazi-coopted bastion of reaction that immediately set out to cleanse an ethnic minority while bending over backwards to every whim of the US and EU.
In the same fashion, no matter how bad IRI may be, a western puppet Iranian government would just put the entire ME under the boot of USA and Israel forever.
You don't even have to believe that the IRI is a seriously committed and effective anti-imperialist force to see that the alternative is likely to be significantly worse.
And the Maidan also began the same way too, just vague protests against corruption that some leftoids soyfaced at. Probably called it le class war because there were workers doing stuff too.
>>2643561Being explicitly pro-Assad amongst the Western Left was vanishingly small after the accusations of gas attacks and dioramas of old oil drums filled with crude explosives and metallic debris presented as “evidence” of his attacks against civilians.
Following that, many of the refugees that rightoids were seething about throughout the 2010s and 20s were from Syria, so defending asylum seekers (a noble cause to be sure) kind of depends on hyping up ASSAD BAD.
>>2643560I don't think I've ever met any leftists that supported Al Jolani, beyond that, he was more of a Turkish puppet then an Israeli one, and the Syria-Israel relations are still pretty tense nowadays because of Golan and because of the Druze.
Hezbollah isn't thriving, they had their leaders die during the war with Israel, they're weaker then they've ever been since 2006
I don't support Biden either, but the Genocide happened under both Biden and Trump, and again, that ended in a defeat for the Pro-Iran side, Gaza is essentially occupied by Israel now.
Those protests aren't even about the Hijab laws, they're about the shit economic situation and then morphed into anti-regime protests, not wanting to starve is soy tho.
>>2643563Do you also believe that the richer regions of third world countries benefit from the exploitation of their poorer regions ?
>>2643567Because our geopolitical time period is mostly similar to WW1 then any other one ? Decling British/American Hegemony and rising German/Chinese powers, with various independant actors starting to rise and alliances shifting. It's cliche because it's an obvious comparaison to make.
>>2643582>Do you also believe that the richer regions of third world countries benefit from the exploitation of their poorer regions ?it doesn't matter to them probably. anti-kkkore manifests as nat booj ideology to prevent rev in their own country by rallying around the flag and the hatred of the kkkore. We're stuck in postcolonial natbooj vs. comprador politics until burgers and NATO finally collapse (hopefully soon)
>>2643582>Because our geopolitical time period is mostly similar to WW1 then any other one ? Decling British/American Hegemony and rising German/Chinese powers, with various independant actors starting to rise and alliances shifting. It's cliche because it's an obvious comparaison to make.Also tarriffs
>>2643589Also the cults that flourished worldwide during the late 1900s similar to the religious revival of the 1800s
And there being no good force during this time period
>>2643582It’s an oblivious comparison to make because then you must (and anons do) start to claim that the disparity between the collective west under NATO+Friends and individual states like Iran are comparable to that between powers in WW1. Essentially making the ridiculous assertion that NATO+Friends are “merely” comparable to the Entente alliance while an individual state is upgraded to a stand-in for the Central Powers.
>>2643578Putin threw all of his soft power away. Russia still had massive influence over Ukraine. He should have kept Janycovitch on a tighter leash. But he only wanted a loyal dog and to point to the little brother as corrupt so the Russian people never ask for anything better. His army has been hollowed out by years of cronyism and massive corruption. It’s disgusting that they still rely on Soviet Zerg rush tactics that throw their young men into an endless meat grinder. It points to how his generals are all yes men and got to the position through grift and sucking up to Putin. Any one competent had been removed so as they would not be a threat to Putin’s and his kleptocracy. I see Putin and Trump as the same. Small men who want people to die for their glory. I greatly admire the Ukrainian people for running their leader out of town and am envious the American people don’t share the same revolutionary spirit and bonds with their countrymen.
>>2643591NATO is dead and the UN is dead, there aren't any alliances anymore, only individual beliefs, the period once another war breaks out will be the easiest to gain power in, and we should hope it does
>6000 killed
Yeah those bitches are desperate. Since Iranian Islamists will soon arrive as refugees to my country I'm torn between not welcoming them at all or letting them in just to torment them. Thots?
>>2643593>NATO is deaddying, but not quite dead unfortunately. don't count your chickens before they hatch. there's still plenty of time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>>2643595you're right, have a good day bro
>>2643592*Putin threw away more with his vain war, now the Russian people will be more beholden to the US and China.
>>2643599To be quite honest the only reason I see for the war is Putin's desire to leave a legacy, I don't see any other rational reason
>>2643599*Gaza was an intentional distraction from the failed military operation in Ukraine and now Putin has lost and is losing many of his prominent allies to the west.
>>2643591Iran isn't being invaded currently, (I would oppose an invasion of Iran) it's being pressured by US and Israel, but the protests come from the country, Opposing revolutionnary movements in Iran is like opposition revolutionnary movements in the Ottoman empire or Bulgaria.
Nato can is relatively the same strenght as the Entente was back then, the world foremost powers but on a decline, China is most like Germany and Russia like Austria.
>>2643604Tbh the only reason I'm not more openly pro Palestine is how annoying pro Palestine activists are
>>2643602I suppose his legacy is speeding up America’s decline by Trump getting in again but ruining Russia’s reputation in the process. Russia has so much potential it doesn’t need to murder its neighbors to achieve greatness again. With Climate change there is so much land that will become viable. I wish Russia to become a beacon for the third and second world against reactionary tyrany in the west.
>>2643607I’m nobody my support to any power means nothing and will only fuel my despair. The youth of America worships grifters like Trump and Logan Paul and it disgusts me.
>>2643608>I suppose his legacy is speeding up America’s decline by Trump getting in again but ruining Russia’s reputation in the process.I don't think people really hate Russia anywhere except in Europe. Soviet nostalgia is at an all time high, and Putin will probably be well respected later.
>>2643611The legacy of Trump will be being the greatest conman the world has ever seen
>>2643606I wonder why this time it’s different. Less boomers because of the coof. People are way less sympathetic to Israel murdering vast amounts of people.
>>2643616I think it's because of how bad the situation has become
>>2643619>Take over your institutionsWelcome back Gramsci
>>2643616Well it's the largest acceleration of genocidal violence since the Nakba and it is able to be broadcast to a much larger extent than ever before.
Previous escalations in Gaza were peanuts compared to the last 2 years, reaching only a few thousand casualties at most
>>2643613His followers have been programmed to obey their party leaders for decades. Before 2016 I would have never imagined someone who was blatantly so sleazy and vile could gain such a following. I don’t think it was just because Obama was bladk but he was a black guy in supposedly in opposition to the ranting men on their tvs even though he continued Bush policies. Perhaps the Christfags have truly gone mad waiting 2000 years for his return.
>>2643484One can oppose their lack of organization, or maybe, and I don't think so, the strategy, but how can one oppose an movement for improvement in the living conditions of the impoverished masses. Especially when they're getting shot in the streets.
Without articulated demands, and that means organization, it seems that their message can be easily be construed to fit any media message internationally, including support for the Shah, and more than this it probably hurts the states negotiating position to actually end the crippling sanctions.
The end of the state seems unlikely, and might not even have been an aim of many if there was an organization to shape the sever difficulty of material life in Iran.
>>2643623There’s probably more footage too because of phones and 9/11 was so long ago.
>>2643624What I find strange is "Christians" in support of him despite him being a sex offender. I know the Church is stupid with how they aim to have a larger victory than a smaller one but that's just retarded. Obama wasn't really that polarizing, it was probably since the Democrats didn't try to reach out since they believed it'd be an easy victory for them. That too with how most American minorities are the most conservative of their group(Look at the Hmongs, the Vietnamese, the Filipinos, the Indians, the Hispanics, and the Chinese) and how the Democrats really miscalculated instead of reaching out to their base
>>2643616It's the bloodiest war in Palestinian history, killed more then the Nakba, more people displaced too, it's a very clear genocide, beyond that it exposed the west for its hypocrisy as they had spent 4 years talking about Russia war crimes in Ukraine, only for their ally to do much worse. Israel is also disastrous in its PR, going around accusing random people of practically being nazis for saying that children being killed is bad, beyond that, people are tired of the old "terrorism" excuse for war, Afghanistan and Iraq soured people on this
>>2643627The accessibility of personal cameras by people in Gaza and the media network of the internet facilitating the spread of that footage is a large factor yes
>>2643629>What I find strange is "Christians" in support of him despite him being a sex offenderThey simply don't believe it anon
>we will engage in talks with the Great Satan instead of listening to the demands of the people!
Nice AES you got there, ML sisters.
>>2643629I think theirs definitely insane vitriol for Obama from conservatives instead of things he should be criticized for. Conservatives have made progress in making inroads to Latinos and other groups by buying up their media. The dem bench was also obliterated in midterms after obama’s election and statehouses are a reactionary clusterfuck. I feel the dem bench was also neutered so no one could take attention away from Hilary’s coronation because she is so uncharismatic and suffered from years of rightwing attacks, frankly she should have settled with being someone populars VP first.
>>2643629There is just no reason to vote for the Democrats, their main argument is that they aren't Trump, if your life is shit, who are you going to support, the guys that promise jack shit, or the guy that promises radical changes ? Trump isn't that well liked he has abysmal approuval rating, it's just that the Democrats offer nothing to the table, it's why they went all in on Identity politics, because they can't offer economic changes.
>>2643640trump unironically has aura too
>>2643605>(I would oppose an invasion of Iran)But only because that completely precludes the possibility of some dark horse communist movement coming to power, you're in full support of all else apparently if Iran individual is like the Central Powers and NATO+Friends are their Entente competitors.
>>2643635There are no MLs in leftypol.
>>2643645The communist movement will happen after they declare a republic trust.
>>2643646True I feel sad seeing their decline
>>2643645I would support any popular revolutionnary movement in any country. Ukraine or Iran included.
>>2643648Litterally what happened in Russia
Faker death numbers than the big one the Zios push
>>2643630Ukraines hands have definitely been tied before but they are striking oil infrastructure in Russia now. Russia attacks civilians more than Ukraine does.
>>2643650>I would support any popular revolutionnary movement in any countryWhy? Don't you have any conditionals on your support?
>>2643650no, in Russia the republic was concurrent with a massive socialist movement
>>2643640They don’t have the numbers to make beneficial change. The way the US is currently set up is a death spiral of reactionaries feasting like vultures and supported by gormless cattle who desperately cling to propaganda and righteousness.
>>2643654you need the influence of elites during a recession
>>2643653If they're authentically proletarian, yes.
>>2643654You think anyone before WW1 would have thought Russia would become the first communist state ? No, Who knows what will happen to Iran, in any case, weakening the state only brings foward the revolution.
>>2643658>If they're authentically proletarianHow do assess whether it is or not?
>>2643660shut up theorychud
>>2643660If the people protesting for a proletarian issues, like wanting to improve a shitty economic situation for exemple.
Say, if they protest for religious supremacy, I don't support them, if they protest for royalism I don't support them.
>25 unique IPs
Is the site getting smaller… I thought there were more of us here
>>2643668We need to raid pol, the soyjak party and the soybooru to attract more users
It will mean more shitposts but a strong mod team can stop them.
But you can see how it's clever
>Neither Washington nor Tehran
>Neither Washington nor Moscow
>Neither Washington nor Damascus
>Neither Washington nor Caracas
>Neither Washington nor Belgrade
anyone would see a single constant here and draw the correct conclusion right? Well not if you append another constant to each case
>Neither Washington nor Tehran, but the Communists!
so now there is two constants to pick from and one variable which, pfft how important can the variable be?
>>2643664But generally people don't want things out of context with their conditions no? Nor are protest usually unified around one single clear cut issue. Like say for instance a country is heavily sanctioned which causes a detrimental economic situation. Would you support protest against that government as a proletarian issue?
>>2643674What are you on about
>>2643677Yes, again, see Germany in WW1
>>2643674They're well aware they're useful idiots for Washington, hell they're proud of it because it gets them street cred with their fellow western leftists. Cloaking imperialism in pseudo-Marxist rhetoric and then mysteriously going silent when the "dictatorship" collapses and the country becomes an open air slave market. But at least le hijabs are gone!!!
>>2643684The only thing more insufferable than your blatant racism is your own inability for self reflection
>>2643629>What I find strange is "Christians" in support of him despite him being a sex offender.the catholic church traffics children. what are you surprised about?
>>2643534Yurop literally supports those protests moron, literally got a news article with that clownprince in my local newspaper, Trump also supports them
>>2643678Avoiding confronting the fact we should all very much be against Washington based on the consistency that they represent one side of contemporary political situations, by invariably presenting another false choice of supporting "the Communists" regardless of their actual presence.
Avoiding confronting the fact that Tehran, Moscow, Damascus, etc are variable compared to the constant imperialism of the US, that opposing the constant presence of US imperialism
cannot be to the aid of which ever state they're attacking today.
>>2643631>Like they can be under siege by U.S. imperialism and just suck at being rulers at the same timehow can you adequately assess the merits of a leadershipo under siege by imperialism? Porky says Cuba and DPRK are "poor shitholes" while sanctioning and embargoing them. you can't get an accurate weight when your thumb is on the scale.
>>2643695Anti-washingtonism is the worst product of pro-washingtonism.
>>2643693>Le pootin zerg rush memeWhat a retarded post lmao, written by a nafoid. No wonder these guys support these protests. Mods, please crush his skull.
>>2643689Of course, I'm racist because I believe Iranians have revolutionnary potential, and as i said, I don't support the Shah, and tell me, when have you ever had self reflection ?
>>2643705>muh revolutionary potential<from an americanBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, what you're doing is taking the fact that YOUR people have engaged in the rape and exploitation of the imperial periphery for hundreds of years while YOU directly reap the benefits, all the while projecting the savagery of your own people onto the rest of the world, because by your logic "west is best" so if the west is bad other countries must be even worse. Nevermind the millions of Iranians who've marched in support of the Revolutionary Islamic Republic. Nevermind the fact that the "protesters" either have direct links with Mossad or are petite bourgeois scum mad that their profits are being cut into. Again no self reflection whatsoever
>>2643684I would argue the conditions in 1918 germany were quite different, but fair enough anon
>>2643705The protest are supported by:
>The entire american establishment>Ukkkraine>Yurop union>Israel>Anglo islandTell me why would they support a workers movement, think about it for one second.
I like Iran's foreign policy but killing thousands of protesters is not great
>>2643719you're too soft.
>>2643720Are you the same Lenin hat who posted "Assad will win" and "tactical retreat" 30 minutes before he fled to Moscow?
State is a weapon that one class wields to opress another class. No exception. There are basically 2 classes, bourgeoisie and proletariat. All current states are bourgeois states. They protect and ensure capitalism.
>>2643695Everything you said sounds so strangely worded anon you should get better at conveying your ideas
Worker class is a revolutionary class. Workers revolt against bourgeois state is based.
>>2643724I can't convey my ideas to people who, frankly, don't want to hear them.
>>2643708They literally had a 40 mile long column of troops heading to Kiev that got bogged down at the very beginning. The US/nato has more flexible forces with more commissioned officers on the ground. Throwing people away to gain inches of ground in a war for Putin’s vanity is ridiculous. It is a failure of his generals and the yes men in his intelligence apparatus.
>>2643718Literally the first thing I learned is if the protests are genuinely led either by workers or an actual communist party, western governments will either condemn them as "riots" or say something about "keeping the protests peaceful". Seriously if you saw those kind of protests in germany they would be called riots. Fucking hypocrites.
>>2643719Boohoo, war isn’t pretty
>>2643738Yeah, class war is pretty bad.
>>2643726Idiotic. What protesters are protesting
for obviously matters quite a lot.
was banning the internet a good move? shills have to resort to same images or ai generated content over and over
>>2643741those were petty bourgeois reactionaries
>>2643739Geopolitics is bourgeois politics.
The great soviet encyclopedia
>>2643646except you, of course, the one true ML
>>2643741I wonder if this protest would have gotten this big if had been any white male dem besides Biden. Trump’s ego probably couldn’t take losing to walking corpse and his fanatics couldn’t believe their anointed by God,
Emperor could have lost either.
>>2643713I'm not american you fucking retard, I don't support the western world, you're the only one defending reactionnaries. I'll bet that you're an American tho, no self reflection from you either.
>>2643718Because it weakens their ennemies ? Same reason why Germany helped Lenin get to Russia,
But yes, the protests in Iran aren't a solely worker's movements, but they reflect worker's issues of a degrating material conditions, communists should exploit this to support their own movement instead of pointlessly surrendering to the Islamist government,
Because again, why should the Iranian workers side with parties that surrender to a government that murders thousands of them.
>>2643741Communists should have used the popular sentiment against the political establishement instead of handing it over to Trump.
>>2643745The Encyclopedia was outdated, Modern day studies of geopolitics had a strong communist influence with Yves Lacoste being the most obvious exemple.
>>2643747Imperialism is progressive compared to emir of afghanistan.
>>2643750The US intel hasn’t responded like this? Or is it the DHS the only one that is super petty?
>>2643729>The US/nato has more flexible forces with more commissioned officers on the ground.Lel, ukrops really sure showed its superiority by getting stuck in the mud not even a few kilometres in during its glorious "to crimea" counteroffensive. And Russia had an excuse that they were expecting no resistance during the battle of Kiev since that was happing during the crimean war, Ukraine on the other hand literally expected Russian soldiers to run away once they see a leopard. Pathetic. Soviets were superior to both.
>>2643744no they werent. fascism is a mass movement
>>2643750Oh gee if France’s most popular fascist supports it then it MUST be le proletarian
>>2643723>State is a weapon that one class wields to opress another class. No exceptionnot true, because more than one class can be oppressed by a state at the same time. For example the state can be used to oppress both proles and peasants at the same time.
>There are basically 2 classes, bourgeoisie and proletariat. nah. there's also petty bourgeoisie, peasantry, and lumpenproletariat.
>All current states are bourgeois states. Not China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Palestine, or the Zapatista controlled regions in Mexico
>They protect and ensure capitalism.the bourgeoisie as an international class do that
>>2643761Le Pen and Bardella are both more popular then him, do you not think they're fascists ?
>>2643750Dafuq, didnt expect Melenchon to have such a good position regarding the protests.
>>2643745It's not geopolitics for the nations that are the target of US Imperialism.
Framing opposition to US Imperialism as "geopolitics" can only come from a US-perspective where you see it from the macro-level where loads of people from.. wherever who cares.. are united in calling you treatler, but that's ignoring that it's a direct and largely independent struggle for every nation that has to live with it.
>>2643764They’re pretty strongly anti-NATO and opposed to the genocide of the Russian people so no. Not surprising the western leftoid thinks fascism is just le conservatism and not a distinct manifestation of liberalism in crisis
>>2643722no
>>2643753define progressivism
>>2643763>palestine>venezuela>nicaraguais this bait
>>2643752>Communists should have used the popular sentiment against the political establishement instead of handing it over to Trump.I don't really believe that all expresions of discontent against the "establishment" are blank slates that can be molded into a left-wing or communist movement. Whenever there are protests of any kind, leftists get the idea that those people are
actually really angry at capitalism but just don't realize it yet. In reality, QAnon people actually, genuinely believe that there's a video of Hillary sacrificing and eating a baby and they yearn for the Day of the Rope. They want revenge on degenerates and ethnic minorities because their kids don't speak to them anymore. Not every outburst of vague "anti-establishment" energy is a potential communist revolution waiting to happen.
>>2643770lol leftoids are just as bad as christoids. you wanna be persecuted so bad. no one wants to genocide you russkies
>>2643770>They’re pretty strongly anti-NATO and opposed to the genocide of the Russian people so noso is trump
the people who believe a socialist revolution could come out of these protest legit live in a fantasy world
>>2643768It is geopolitics.
>>2643772Progress is when le good, simple as
>>2643782Oh okay, the entire world outside of the US is subject to US imperialism in some way, but then the entire world also fucking whinges about it, so yes very geopolitical.
>>2643770Mélenchon is more anti-nato then either of them ? He's outright calling for leaving it, wheras they are simply asking to go back to de Gaulle's status, beyond that, fascism isn't based on being pro or anti NATO, ᴉuᴉlossnW was quite famously opposed to France and Britain, for the most obvious exemple.
>>2643773buddy we're on baitypol.org
>>2643697>how can you adequately assess the merits of a leadershipo under siege by imperialism?I dunno, how can we know anything? That's a weird epistemology.
>>2643785True, entire world is subject to us capital. Still geopolitics though.
>>2643770>They’re pretty strongly anti-NATO and opposed to the genocide of the Russian people so no.Not the anon youre arguing against but their position is mostly opportunism. If they come to power it will be another Meloni situation, not really serious. Same shit with Orban, they have no balls, also they are pro-Israel. Only good thing that could come out of it is if that leads to infighting where the left can seize the opportunity but unlikely to happen.
>>2643790Le good is when more for less effort
>>2643753>Imperialism is progressive compared to emir of afghanistan.Welcome back Mr. Kautsky
>>2643798Congrats. You are even more retarded than Renegade Kautsky.
>>2643799Kautsky wasnt a retard.
>>2643689Yeah the entire OP has the impression that a Langley agent wrote it and trying to be hip
>>2643689>at least le hijabs are gonefunny thing is Le Hijabs will be even more reinforced in the open air slave market regime.
Look at Libya.
>>2643792Geopolitics depends on there being multiple foreign policies/interests in conflict with each other, there isn't, there's US imperialism and domestic opposition to it.
>>2643805No. It is geopolitics. Iran does geopolitics.
>>2643613Putin will have a similar legacy to Sun Yat Sen in China.
>>2643807What a cute girl. I wonder if she has any tattoos.
Iran is bourgeois state, simple as.
>>2643807your lil cartoon is missing a few
interesting symbols and insignia
>>2643810Iran is a *clerical state with bourgeois economics. The clergy has all political power. The bourgeoisie has all economic power.
All my life (from Iraq, to Libya, to Ukraine, to Syria, to Venezuela and beyond) i have watched the US and its "allies" rampage across the world creating unrest, chaos, death, destruction, death and collapse in one country after another, with the only goal of accumulating more power and wealth to themselves, so they could do the same thing again next time with even more leverage and effectiveness.
They are supremacist lawless tyrants that seek to impoverish and enslave the world to the richest and worst people in DC, London, Tel Aviv until basically a handful of trillionaires owns everything and everyone else is their servant who lives (or dies) at their pleasure.
I will never support or excuse regime change operations orchestrated or backed by these people under any circumstances. In all cases they themselves are worse than their targets. The real and imagined transgressions of "the mullahs" or "Assad" or "insert current bad guy" pales into insignificance against the relentless all-consuming evil of the empire. Anyone supporting these ops is my enemy and the enemy of humanity. Death to America. Death to Israel.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2643813Happy to find a lefty on leftypol.
>>2643807>Putin’s intelligence apparatus that told him what he wanted to hear>Ukraine’s shit show of an army>the first invasion>Putin had more influence and control over Ukraine with the threat of his massive army invadingNOW! That's what I call Western Apologia!
>>2643812Iran is a bourgeois state.
>>2643818What stage of capitalism is it at, as described by Engels in Anti-Duhring?
>>2643815Yes Yurop was definitely nervous about Putin’s massive Soviet armor reserves that he is wasting in Ukraine.
>>2643813Trivially true.
And I don't mean that in a bad way.
>>2643810So what if it is? Trivial academic pseudery means that Iran should be a vassal to Israel?
>>2643824They should be more nervous about the Neo-Nazis they've trained to perform foreign sabotage ops and build flying IEDs, then pissed off by preferring to let Ukraine get destroyed than go to WW3 for.
>>2643834Perhaps, but Russia should be worried about the effects of a brutal war against their brother nation when their soldiers return home but we both know the answer is Vodka.
>>2643834>>2643841Mods, permaban these 2 for derailing.
>>2643838*bourgeoisie
the bourgeois, the proletarian = a member of the class
the bourgeoisie, the proletariat = the class
Airan is… le bad, mmkay? It is, because, uh… uh-huh… because it just is okay?
>>2643845>burgerphobia I was the recipient of that ban. Even by chauvinist leftypol standards, that was surprising.
>>2643852that looks repulsive ngl
This is Iran's Tiananmen Square. The moment of exposure is here and Democracy and Socialism shall overcome
>>2643859It's just carbonated sour milk
…it's better than it sounds
>>2643868Isn't that just kefir?
I wish ultras would understand that Iran has to do neoliberalism and massacre the workers because of the sanctions. Otherwise they would have to do neoliberalism and massacre the workers can you imagine!
>>2643850you kinda deserved it, I get hating burgers but hating them loudly all the time doesnt help, it makes them more reactionary
Asked what he meant by saying “help is on the way,” President Donald Trump replied: “You’re going to find out soon.”
He adds that "It's a good idea for Americans to leave Iran"
White House envoy Steve Witkoff met secretly over the weekend with the exiled former crown prince of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, to discuss the protests raging in Iran, according to a senior U.S. official. My story on @axios
Update.
>>2643880>Chagosposter made me a reactionary by not being pro-me enoughEven if that's actually true, it's not really cause to refrain from hating burgers, if anything it's cause to double down
>>2643880I will not pamper imperialists.
>>2643893you shouldn't, you can still call them chauvinists (which they are) but elevating discussion into something more rational beyond "americans are animals" over and over again
>>2643898
Leftypol today is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, a dictatorship of the grand bourgeoisie, a fascist American dictatorship, and a Hitlerite dictatorship.
>>2643898
why is he naked?
>>2643878Difference is an open slave markets and a massively balkanized conflict in Iran
>>2643905Nobody ever said class struggle was without hardship anon
>>2643813This is the truth
>>2643907So the argument is that the US should invade Iran in order to accelerate the class struggle? This seems to be a common argument that the US should just go maskoff everywhere and allow for the real class struggle and class war to begin.
>>2643911Sorry but the Real Movement waits for nobody
Why are you faggots actually incapable of discussing current events regarding Iran
Keep the thread on topic
>>2643917Russian missteps are very relevant to what happened in Syria and what is currently happening in Iran.
>>2643918Iran didn't ask for help over the summer and they're certainly not gonna ask for it now
>>2643918It is relevant to the endless drive to provide counter-balance to US imperialism
>US Imperialism did X<Erm yeah, but show me what Russia/China did to prevent it? >>2643918uygha POTUS is considering large regime changing miltary strikes and you uyghas are discussing the impact of Lenin's 4th plenary session on post-soviet foreign policy
Stay on topic
https://x.com/WarMonitor3Interesting activity around the Middle East
>>2643921I’m blaming the current Russian president now
>>2643920Russia helped get a destabilizing cult leader elected that is beholden to no one. Hated leaders like Biden and Hilary would not have the political capital to do this.
>>2643927TACObros… did we get too cocky?
>>2643916And the real movement in the PRC does not want that to occur
>>2643940The Real Movement does not abide by the petty concerns of nations, even socialist ones
>>2643927Earlier today US embassy advised all citizens to leave Iran ASAP.
>>2643484>unlike previous liberal protests this one (that even trots admit is a color revolution of libs, petit boug capitalists, monarchist cranks, and seperatist militias) is 100% proletarian and therefore you must support it and ignore the geopolitical reality and the interests of the US and Isntreal.>evidence? why western liberal media quoting random officials out of context of course! anyone who disagrees with me is a liberal, and the ayatollah is a liberalthis bait gets 7/10: the detail is astounding, but it only gives the illusion of depth. free maduro, free palestine, nuke israel.
450,000 dead so far at protest according to Israel. Very concerning
Workers’ Union of Tehran and Suburbs Bus Company statement:
While declaring solidarity with the popular struggles against poverty, unemployment, discrimination and oppression, we explicitly declare our opposition to any return to a past dominated by inequality, corruption and injustice.
We believe that true liberation is only possible through the conscious and organised leadership and participation of the working class and oppressed people, not through the reproduction of old and authoritarian forms of power. In the meantime, workers, teachers, retirees, nurses, students, women and especially young people, despite widespread repression, arrests, dismissals and livelihood pressures, continue to be at the forefront of these struggles.
The Workers’ Union of the Tehran and Suburbs Bus Company emphasizes the need to continue independent, conscious and organized protests.
We have said many times and we repeat it again—the path to the liberation of workers and toilers does not lie in the path of a leader carved from above the people, nor in reliance on foreign powers, nor through factions within the government.
Rather, it lies in the path of unity, solidarity, and the creation of independent organizations in the workplace and on a national level. We must not allow ourselves to be victims of the power games and interests of the ruling classes once again.
The Syndicate also strongly condemns any propaganda, justification, or support for military intervention by foreign governments, including the United States and Israel. Such interventions not only lead to the destruction of civil society and the killing of people, but also provide another excuse for the continuation of violence and repression by the government.
Past experiences have shown that Western domineering governments do not place the slightest value on the freedom, livelihood, and rights of the Iranian people.
We demand the immediate and unconditional release of all detainees and emphasize the need to identify and prosecute those who ordered and perpetrated the killing of people.
Long live freedom, equality and class solidarity.
>>2643931Russia lost Syria and now Venezuela and Iran, it's difficult to see how they could have fucked up more, but they can still miraculously snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Ukraine. Absolutely incredible incompetence.
>>2643582>Do you also believe that the richer regions of third world countries benefit from the exploitation of their poorer regions ?Yes.
>>2643484>6000 dead petit burgeois west bootlickers and lumpen scumKeep up the good work!
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR
Stubbed your toe? Blame Russia for not defending your feet from your own dumb ass.
Stalin wrote in the Foundations of Leninism that even the most reactionary afghan lord must be supported against imperialism. Imperialism will make things even worse, it cannot ever be progressive.
If the socialists have any chance of winning that's great, otherwise if the corrupt and evil Mullah gets replaced with U$ or Zio puppets then things are just going to get even worse as the country will become a colony. One interesting thing to think about though is how Iran is kind of imperialist in its own right, though that's probably not relevant to this situation.
US President Donald Trump said Tuesday that no clear information is available on how many protesters have been killed in Iran amid nationwide unrest.
Asked how many protesters have been killed, Trump said: "Nobody has been able to give me an accurate number."
"Everything is a lot. One is a lot. But I have heard numbers much lower, I have heard numbers much higher. We'll probably find out over the next 24 hours. I think it’s a lot. It’s too many," he said during a trip to a car plant in Michigan
When asked what kind of aid would be provided to protesters after he earlier said “help is on the way," Trump stated: "You're gonna have to figure that one out, I'm sorry."
Starlink offered to Iranians for free - reports
Elon Musk's SpaceX is offering its Starlink satellite service for free in Iran, according to reports.
Bloomberg News said that the subscription fee has been waived so people with Starlink receivers in the country can access the service without paying.
It comes as the internet blackout in Iran has surpassed the five-day mark - something we told you about at 18.52.
Iranians have today been able to make phone calls abroad for the first time in days, but the general public have remained cut off from the outside world.
>>2643828shout out to cucktin for mercing him
>>2644034what safeguards does china have against starlink?
I thought the protests were dying down?
>>2643592>run your leader out of town>get unelected american backed fascist junta>vote out american backed fascist junta>get late night host that does the bidding of america and fascist juntaukraine is such a great example, I love CIA coups now.
>>2644106New Holodomor confirmed
Israeli and Arab officials have privately suggested U.S. hold off on Iran strikes
Israeli officials have suggested the Trump administration delay large-scale strikes until the Iranian regime is even more strained, while one Arab official said there is “lack of enthusiasm from the neighborhood" for American military action in Iran right now.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna253718European leaders vow to hit Iran with sanctions after regime kills protesters
European Parliament President Roberta Metsola tells POLITICO the bloc must not delay, as European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen promises to act.
https://www.politico.eu/article/european-leaders-metsola-vow-hit-iran-sanctions-after-protesters-killed/Will this finally put an end to the "Sanctions don't even work!" plea? Of course sanctions work, that's why they're put in place.
>>2644121>Israeli officials have suggested the Trump administration delay large-scale strikes until the Iranian regime is even more strained, while one Arab official said there is “lack of enthusiasm from the neighborhood" for American military action in Iranso it was a distraction from Greenland the whole time
>>2644031>Stalin wroteStopped reading
>>2644031>Stalin wrote in the Foundations of Leninism that even the most reactionary afghan lord must be supported against imperialism.Hail Stalin, Sakai, Israel and national liberation of the opressed peoples against imperialism
>>264418950 years in exile, i wanted iran, i compromised, i lived in new jersey instead, i wanted to topple the khomenis, i fantasized in my bedroom, you see where i'm going?
>>2644168>Will this finally put an end to the "Sanctions don't even work!" plea? Of course sanctions work, that's why they're put in place.Depends on the country. They failed with Russia because it's a huge landmass with a domestic stockpile of tons of natural resources including every element on the periodic table. Plus it has 16 neighbors sharing land borders, and any given one of them at any given moment might have an incentive to help them evade sanctions. With other countries like DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela, sanctions have been more devastating.
>>2643845there's a difference between making an actual quality post like
>>2643813 and shit like… this…
Trump on Iran: "When they start killing thousands of people and now you're telling me about hanging [protesters], we'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out good."
Trump: I'm going back to the White House now, we're going to look at the whole situation that's going on in Iran… We'll get some accurate numbers as to what's happening with regard to the killing."
REPORTER: "Iran says that it will retaliate in the instance of U.S. strikes…"
@POTUS: "Yeah, Iran said that the last time I blew them up with the nuclear capability, which they don't have any longer, so… they better behave."
REPORTER: Do you have a message for the leaders of Iran?
@POTUS: "The message is they've got to show humanity. They've got a big problem, and I hope they're not going to be killing people… it would seem to me that they have been badly misbehaving, but that is not confirmed."
Update
>>2644204Yeah, the die burger die at least is honest. The incoherent moralist ramble isn't.
>>2644211sigh you're just another wrecker. what you call "moralism" is just standard anti imperialism, and what you call "honest" is wrecker glowie shit that has to get scrubbed regularly, and then the people who post it come back on tor node or VPN with a persecution complex claiming the web site is imperialist.
It's so sad that even if soviet start appearing and gain power, they are gonna be entirely isolated from "socialist countries" and "socialists" of the entire world. The socialist movement is back at the 19th century.
>>2644225They will endure because the opposition is retarded, what do they want monarchism? The shah? Thats not going to work when so many people are still loyal to the government. How many people are ready to die for the Pahlavis in a civil war? There is no real opposition, no communist parties running these protests.
The reason people are protesting is because the economy is collapsing but people have no alternative. So they will protest for a while and it will die down just like 2023. So its a good bet that the Iranian regime survives this year at least. But 2027? Who knows?
>>2644234Arabs are cowards, what else is new.
>>2644277thats offensive even if true!!!!!!!
>>2644275>TrotskyitesDoes this guy argue with trotskyites on message boards all day
>>2644109Putin would bomb polling places since children’s hospitals are fair game to him.
>>2644289man I wish Putin was as ruthless as you make him out to be
Question: why are we determining what should be “right” for Iran based solely on Palestine? We’re basically saying that Palestinians should be the ones in control of Iranian politics, not Iranians themselves. Why? Why are Palestinians the litmus test?
>>2644295most iranians want the rioters and foreign agents to fuck off. stop pretending you care what iranians want.
>>2644300Can you show me how you reach this conclusion that it's the majority?
>>2644295The fate of one is intimately wound with the other; the national self-determination of the Palestinians is contingent on the Iranian regime, and vice versa. The two cannot be seperated; only unconditional solidarity between the two peoples can lead to a socialist revolution in either and the overcoming of imperialist subjugation. Any attempt to divorce the two implicitly lends itself to a strategy to divide the working people of Iran and Palestine.
An Iranian-Kurdish militant group claimed it has captured an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) base in Kermanshah province in western Iran, according to a statement released today.
The Kurdistan National Army (SMK), the military wing of the Kurdistan Freedom Party (PAK), said the operation targeted the IRGC’s headquarters in Kermanshah. The attack was described as retaliation for SMK fighters killed in recent clashes in the country.
According to the statement, the group launched the assault from two directions and successfully infiltrated the base, catching the IRGC off guard. The SMK claims the attack resulted in casualties among Iranian forces.
CNN is unable to independently verify SMK’s claims.
There has been no immediate comment from Iranian officials regarding the claim. CNN is attempting to reach out to Iranian authorities and has contacted the country’s embassy in London.
Hussein Yazdanpana, the president of PAK, which is a nationalist and separatist militant group in Iran, said earlier today that victory against the Iranian regime “hinges on widespread uprising and legitimate self-defence against the oppressors.”
>>2644301>>2644309look at the marches yesterday in cities all over iran. absolutely dwarfed any of these protests/riots by orders of magnitude.
again, stop pretending you care what iranians want. you don't. you're all headcanon
>>2644295Palestine is the primary contradiction in world politics.
>>2644318You are getting so emotional over this. It's a simple request to provide how you reach this conclusion
>>2644322Sad thing is some people actually believe this.
>>2644300>muh people >>2644330I hope those mercenaries all die horrible
كسمهم ولد الكحبة
>>2644336>>2644337Shut the fuck up Zionist imbecile
>>2644338>you AREN'T clamoring at the seat for entire populations to be massacred, including workers? you're a zionistincredible
So what the fuck is going on right now in Iran? Is the death toll real?
>>2644322Palestine has virtually zero relevance in global politics. If Israel ceases to exist and becomes Palestine again it will have very little to no effect on capitalism.
>>2644353>Palestine has virtually zero relevance in global politicsWhich is why the 2023 invasions opened a yawning pit in the Middle East threatening to drag in every actor
>If Israel ceases to exist… little to no effect on capitalism
Israel's collapse would be something similar to the collapse of the Soviet union.
>>2644359And that wave has allegedly been disastrous for Palestine.
>>2644363Not anything close. Wishful thinking.
>>2644363at most it'd be somewhat like the collapse of iran
>>2644364You are clearly baiting my man
>>2644365You don't know how vital Israel is for the whole colonial project worldwide, it's influence in high tech, in western culture and other things. It's pretty laughable to say its collapse would have no effect.
>>2644325fine. i have little patience for bs. now explain how anyone arrives at a conclusion that people who want protesters/rioters to overthrow the government amount to a majority of Iranians. There is no such evidence that I can see, which is another reason. Another is there has been no notable defections from the military, security forces or officials. If a majority of the people were actually horny for a riotous overthrow that would have filtered up into parts of the regime at least. I have no patience for people who don't think and just guzzle narrative.
>>2644031>Stalin wroteI kept reading after this.
>>2644194let me tell you a coupla tree things: forget syria, forget venezuela, forget iran
leftypol has no respect for this thing, theyve never read marx, not really
they call any and every country socialist over there, and the way they do it is all fucked up
>>2644389either do it right, or not at all
>>2644369Christfags will be sad the apocalypse didn’t happen?
>>2644031Just remember that in the 1920s capitalism wasn't really global the same way it is now, there wasn't an Afghan borgeoisie. Today every state has its own capital and labour contradiction and is tangled up with global markets.
>>2644369oh no i can't buy an intel cpu for cheap anymore, the fucking west has fallen or whatever
You are not allowed to protest while your country's neighbor is Israel.
I mean that unironcally
>>2644372Zionists and the imperialists will pay for the blood shed occurring and threatening Iran with a bombing campaign to enact an IMF monarchy
Syria #2
They'll back some NATO client region to secede and keep leftoids enthralled with de-islamized tan women for the next decade. While the sanctions, glowops, internal strife, GWoT bombing and realkpolitik hollow out the state until collapse.
Then the "better", "lesser evil" liberals can take over and point to the lack of the above as their greatest achievement, once NATO controls the oil.
>>2644439>leftoids enthralled with de-islamizedLeftists are pro theocracy and mandatory hijab
>>2644424Where is the monarchy and the imf is highly strained in Iran due to sanctions
>>2644443>eftists are pro theocracy and mandatory hijabWell my point is "leftists" seem to back western backed regime change and deacdes of immiseration through economic warfare, glowops and outright bombing for
the general population as the "lesser evil". As long as they can chew on some thing vaguely progressive even if it's extremely localized or, like Rojava exists entirely at the behest of being useful to the USA.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that no, the immiseration of literally everyone until they accede to regime ¡change is never the lesser evil. Even if they eventually do and get mindfucked to blame the lack of McDonald's.
>>2644455Leftists are pro status quo (ie pro Iran)
>>2644424>all shia in different countries are the same thing>a theocracy is a monarchyretard
>>2644458>IMF-backed Hezbollah aren't Iranian proxies nowCrazy how your liberal kin itt considers them being proxies as an argument against the Iranian protests lmao
>>2644342>pro-"democracy" riots supporter is a racistDamn, didnt see that one coming
Tzd
>>2644483This piece of shit is against Iranians determining their own destiny? Okay.
>>2644496also in the libya propaganda campaign lots of western leftist orgs were telling stories about revolutionary militias and people's councils a bit like these stories about soviets being created in iran.
>>2643552>What has Iran's "Axis of Resistance" achieved ? Assad is gone, Hezbollah was destroyed by Israel, Gaza is getting genocided. Litterally only the Houthis are still in a strong enough position. All Iran has achieved is making Israel and Saudi Arabia stronger. what makes you think "Key Anti-Imperialist state" and these things are related? who is telling you that they are?
>what would be the point of protesting against America in Iran ? If they want to improve their living conditions that have to fight against their rulers not foreigners. the primary thing making their living conditions shit is american imperialism what the fuck are you talking about
>>2643588>rallying around the flag which flag?
>prevent rev in their own country can you explain? do you think the people saying this are iranian? do you think condemning an iranian color revolution prevents revolution in the core countries? how does that work? whats the material explanation?
>Iranian workers are suffering
<yeah but that's amerika we should oppose their protests
>so are you going to overthrow your amerikan regime?
<nah that's too much work, all war but class war.
Okay retard
>>2643605>Iran isn't being invaded currently
>Fourth-generation warfare has often involved an insurgent group or other non-state opponents trying to implement their own government or reestablish an old government over the current ruling power. However, a non-state entity tends to be more successful when it does not attempt, at least in the short term, to impose its own rule, but tries simply to disorganize and delegitimize the state in which the warfare takes place. The aim is to force the state adversary to expend manpower and money in an attempt to establish order, ideally in such a highhanded way that it merely increases disorder, until the state surrenders or withdraws.
>Fifth-generation warfare (5GW) is warfare that is conducted primarily through non-kinetic military action, such as social engineering, misinformation, cyberattacks, along with emerging technologies After he returned from Detroit earlier this evening President Trump joined the Iran meeting that was chaired by Vice President Vance and attended by his top national security team. Trump was briefed on the situation in Iran, per source woth knowledge
-axios
https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/2011241591957319868#m>>2644498you know how you're ready to cheer anyone against muh islamists? well they were ready to cheer anyone against the guy who tried to invade their country
but then again, pretending they were in any way relevant in the face of the most powerful military force on earth invading iraq for their own reasons and bringing it up when they in turn face imperialist aggression is what one would expect a glowie to do
>>2644225you can do what you want but you're literally gambling with people who have inside information
>>2644526true enough, but not only them, and even with inside information the burgers are overconfident retards. Its why I'm looking at a bet on the iranian gov, and not on a specific leader than could get sent a missile (or even have a stroke its not like the guy is young).
I'm not quite clear if theres any benefit to betting early, so I've decided to bet if it goes up to 60% (which will def happen if the US start blowing shit)
>>2644516Oh they defend the class war, it's just that they do it on the side of the ruling one
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTYUj95D3-5/Quite literally the same excuse Israel uses to bomb hospitals.
>>2644525>yeah my islamists acted as canon fodder for the us empire during the invasion of iraq, problem ultra?Judge me by my enemies
>>2644531yeah im sure there are some retarded libs caught up in the mess just like there always are
we got any sources for the "annihilates another few hundred" or is that like what bbc and radio free liberty are telling you that you just believe at face value?
>>2643650>I would support any popular revolutionnary movement in any country. i think you mistake popular with revolutionary + before checking if they are even have plurality support
>>2643635I would literally kill myself if I was cucked enough to defend this lmao
How do multipolaristas manage to live like this?
>>2643652Ukraine attacks Ukrainian civilians more than Russia does.
>>2644557Iran kills 100000 Iranian civilian for every 1 IDF soldier accidentally died
>>2643664>If the people protesting for a proletarian issues, like wanting to improve a shitty economic situation for exemple.what if their proposed solutions do the opposite? what if they want to "improve economics" by selling out to international corporations and the "popular support" is just petit borg ladder climbers with social media accounts living in a few major cities and the entire rest of the country is opposed to that?
>>2644559thanks u jon bolton mr lidnsey graham craker
>>2644563Please post more liberal mental breakdowns from xitter
Mind broken by big protester cock
>>2643724treating these like isolated disparate events instead of a continuity of one sided aggression by the united states is fucking stupid and childish
and undialectical >>2643705why are you supporting protests backed by the shah then?
>>2643719do we have an actual source for this? the only single person i have seen actually speak on this that i trust says its all protesters killing cops and random service workers
>>2644573like real tinyman square vibes goin on
>>2643729>They literally had a 40 mile long column of troops heading to Kiev that got bogged down at the very beginning. >Throwing people away to gain inches of ground in a war for Putin’s vanity is ridiculous. are these statements supposed to be related? the first was a deliberately under supported feint and has nothing to do with inches, and the later inches gained are part of attrition war that has nothing to do with vanity and is working exactly as intended
>>2643742its kinda retarded but makes sense if your thinking is 20 years old and you are trying to prevent a arab spring situation. realistically they should have domestic infrastructure and domestic apps by now so they dont have to worry about this shit
>>2644225>I doubt even a decapitation strike would make the iranian government fall, butcant trust betting markets they might mark it as true after a failed decapitation strike
>>2644484So you would support cops because they are from the working class
>>2644591The difference is that resistance to US government repression is a good thing, and installing a pro-Western government in Iran is a bad thing. Thus far nobody has given a good reason as to why we should be in favour of this when there's no evidence of a socialist or progressive character to the demonstrations. Just because people are protesting bad economic conditions doesn't mean they are socialists, anti-imperialists, that they would improve the situation or install a government that would bring any benefits to the socialist movement whatsoever. Spontaneous mass uprisings without disciplined and organized socialist leadership are highly susceptible to being hijacked by even more reactionary elements. The Iranian theocratic government will get theirs one day, but there is nothing to indicate that this movement will be what does it.
Does Iran have missiles that can hit the u.s. mainland? If not, would Russia or China be willing to provide them?
Asking for a friend
>>2644597Your mom is still sore from the plowing I did last time
>>2643534Go back to your hole
>>2644600You didn't even make any arguments, you just pretended that Western leaders weren't vocally supporting the protests and unironically believe that the US and Israel don't want to overthrow the Islamic Republic.
My stepsister was crying that someone she knew was arrested by the rayjeem and that if this color revolution doesn't succeed they'll kill him. I told her he FAFO'd
Still waiting on pro-demonstration Anons to make one (1) argument for why we should expect these demonstrations to produce a more progressive government in Iran rather than a more reactionary one.
>>2644609If you actually cared about Iranian proles you would be discussing how we can mobilize to lift the sanctions which are causing the economic crisis. Instead you're hear cheering for Iran to lose its sovereignty and be transformed into a Western puppet regime that will be even more impoverished.
>>2644608How can there be anything more reactionary than the current Iranian government? Their only claim to resistance is that they are supposedly standing against America and Israel, something which they not only very, very reluctantly did, but that even after that the IR government is absolutely desperate to open relationship with the US, Pezeshkian whole presidency is literally just him trying to get into Biden's good graces
When nations in West Asia say that they want to 'fight the US' , they just want to be Turkey man. As in, they will drop dogwhistles about jihad against Israel, and occassionally beat up gays and women and minorities to satiate the Islamic factions, but fundamentelly still connected to the American world system and neoliberal ontology. That's it. The Al Qaeda gov in Syria is literally the only Muslim government that is honest about it, everyone wants to play hooky
>>2644612>TurksTurkey is literally in NATO
>>2644614>Their only claim to resistance is that they are supposedly standing against America and Israel, something which they not only very, very reluctantlyEasy, they could become active supporters and allies of them. They could host US troops and missiles to be directed against China and Russia, they could cease all support for resistance organizations across the Middle East. They could cut off oil supplies to China. Clearly the West believes that a more reactionary regime is possible in Iran otherwise they wouldn't have been trying to overthrow the Islamic Republic since it was founded.
>>2644608You won’t get one because they are either radlibs or ultras. They would have been jerking off at the overthrow of Saddam or Gaddafi if they were alive back then.
The ultras are probably the stupidest cohort as they’ll support a “popular revolution” and then condemn it when it inevitably turns into a different mode of bourgeois dictatorship. They only support “the people” when they are dying.
>>2644614>How can there be anything more reactionary than the current Iranian government?Israel
>>2644618The stupidest part is that there are actual important and productive discussions we could be having about how communists should react to this. How we can work to frustrate regime change efforts and the economic warfare that's causing the terrible economic conditions in the first place. Even if you are a supporter of these demonstrations and think they will lead somewhere good, you should be focused on your own government's actions and what you can do to frustrate their predatory designs on Iran. If you genuinely believe that this sort of thing is what Iran needs then your main concern should be doing everything possible to prevent the West from hijacking the movement.
>>2644617>Host US troops against Russia and ChinaThe US already have Turkey and Taiwan for that. I will concede however that it Iran falls, between Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan the US will excercise absolute political domination over the Middle East, albeit this is not saying much in the big 25
>They could cut off oil supplies to China. If China is so concerned about this they would've intervened. They didn't. For the same reason they didn't intervene in Venezuela; why bother when you already have Russia, one of the world's largest oil producers, by your side
>they wouldn't have been trying to overthrow the Islamic Republic since it was foundedA lot of westerners do not realize this but America hated Iran even before the Revolution, relations between US and Israel and Iran had worsened in the years prior to the revolution, Carter famously refused to aid the Shah when he was dealing with mass uprisings in the country
>>2644621>The US already have Turkey and Taiwan for thatAnd they will add Iran to this. It's called encirclement.
>If China is so concerned about this they would've intervened. They didn't. Frankly I think China refuses to intervene even when they have an obvious interest to do so. I wouldn't take their inaction as a sign of their objective interests because it's a chronic problem in their foreign policy. I doubt they even have the diplomatic and intelligence infrastructure for foreign intervention.
>A lot of westerners do not realize this but America hated Iran even before the RevolutionRelatively low level tensions are a far cry from actively working to overthrow their government, placing them under sanctions, and bombing them.
>>2644620The radlibs are just here to own Le tankies, and ultras aren’t capable of long term planning or they wouldn’t be ultras.
Personally I don’t have any use for the IR beyond maybe they’d sell weapons to some future communist revolution. But whatever way this revolt ends will only be a tragedy for the people of Iran.
>>2644621>why bother when you already have Russia, one of the world's largest oil producers, by your sideA destabilized Iran with a pro-west government emboldens Azerbaijan even further. This is often forgetten and is a national security threat for Russia.
Has Iran collapsed yet?
>>2644626No they declared support for the working class of Iran. Liberals like you conflate that with every protestor because you only see “rulers” and “workers” which is an un-Marxist analysis.
>>2644635I'm in the party and speak Arabic يا جحش
>>2644634Posting 2020 Soleimani rallies will overshadow the thousands killed and their seething families
>“Two European officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive information, said their countries were asked by the Trump administration Monday to share intelligence on possible targets within Iran.”
>>2644643Token strike by Drump <<< Thousands of dead workers
Not my problem
>>2644642Iran needs to learn from true revolutionaries and understand that the children of counter-revolutionaries will always grow up bitter and devote their lives to the undoing of revolution.
any movement towards Iran? carriers or anything?
>>2643484>2000 KILLED ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT - 6000 KILLED ACCORDING TO HOSPITAL DATAholy shit 20000 dead iranians just flew over my house
>>2644651you sound sarcastic, but Bari Weiss's CBS confirmed it with "witnesses"
>>2644614what happens to woke dugin. how many doogins do we have here?
>>2644654no im very serious. i am anonymous sources and i condemn the
regime You are supposed to add up all the estimates together to get the real number
>>2644626>Iraq and Kurdistan worker-communist partieswhich parties?
>>2644638>I'm in the partywhat is it called
why didn't you link the post?
>Why Iran’s clerical establishment still holds as protests rage - Reuters
Despite Iran’s nationwide protests and years of external pressure, there are as yet no signs of fracture in the Islamic Republic’s security elite that could bring an end to one of the world’s most resilient governments.
Adding to the stress on Iran’s clerical rulers, US President Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened military action over Tehran’s severe crackdown on the protests, which follow an Israeli and US bombing campaign last year against Iran’s nuclear program and key officials. Responding to Reuters, a White House official said “all options” were at Trump’s disposal to address the situation in Iran.
But unless the street unrest and foreign pressure can prompt defections at the top, the establishment, though weakened, will likely hold, two diplomats, two government sources in the Middle East and two analysts told Reuters.
Around 2,000 people have been killed in the protests, an Iranian official told Reuters, blaming people he called terrorists for the deaths of civilians and security personnel. Human rights groups had previously tallied around 600 deaths.
Iran’s layered security architecture, anchored by the Revolutionary Guards and Basij paramilitary force, which together number close to one million people, makes external coercion without internal rupture exceedingly difficult, said Vali Nasr, an Iranian-American academic and expert on regional conflicts and US foreign policy.
“For this sort of thing to succeed, you have to have crowds in the streets for a much longer period of time. And you have to have a breakup of the state. Some segments of the state, and particularly the security forces, have to defect,” he said.
Iran’s Foreign Ministry declined to comment.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, 86, has survived several past waves of unrest. This is the fifth major uprising since 2009, evidence of resilience and cohesion even as the government confronts a deep, unresolved internal crisis, said Paul Salem of the Middle East Institute.
For that to change, protesters would have to generate enough momentum to overcome the state’s entrenched advantages: powerful institutions, a sizeable constituency loyal to the clerical rule, and the geographic and demographic scale of a country of 90 million people, said Alan Eyre, a former US diplomat and Iran expert.
Survival, however, does not equal stability, the analysts said. The Islamic Republic is facing one of its gravest challenges since 1979. Sanctions have strangled the economy with no clear path to recovery. Strategically, it is under pressure from Israel and the United States, its nuclear program degraded, its regional “Axis of Resistance” proxy armed groups weakened by crippling losses to allies in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.
Nasr said that while he didn’t think the Islamic Republic had reached the “moment of fall,” it was “now in a situation of great difficulty going forward.”
The protests began on December 28 in response to soaring prices, before turning squarely against clerical rule. Politically, the violent crackdown has further eroded what remained of the Islamic Republic’s legitimacy.
US-based rights group HRANA says it has verified the deaths of 573 people, 503 protesters and 69 security personnel. More than 10,000 have been arrested, the group said.
Iran has released no official toll, and Reuters was unable to independently verify the figures.
Trump weighs options amid Iran crackdown
What sets this moment apart, and raises the stakes, analysts say, is Trump’s explicit warnings that the killing of demonstrators could trigger an American intervention.
On Tuesday, Trump urged protesters to take over institutions and said “help is on the way,” while saying he was cancelling meetings with Iranian officials. Earlier, he threatened tariffs on countries that trade with Iran. China is Tehran’s top trade partner.
In a phone call on Saturday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio discussed the possibility of US intervention in Iran, according to an Israeli source present for the conversation.
Trump’s interest in the protests, the analysts said, is likely tactical rather than ideological, Salem said. The aim could be pliability - weakening the state enough to extract concessions such as curbs on Tehran’s nuclear programme, he said.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment about Trump’s goals in Iran. The White House official said Trump had demonstrated with military operations in Iran and Venezuela last year “that he means what he says.”
The idea of a “Venezuela model” has growing appeal in some circles in Washington and Jerusalem, a diplomat and three of the analysts said. It envisions the removal of Iran’s top authority while signaling to the remaining state apparatus: stay in place, provided they cooperate, they said.
Applied to Iran, however, it collides with formidable obstacles - a security state entrenched for decades, deep institutional cohesion and a much larger and ethnically complex country.
Two regional officials and two of the analysts told Reuters foreign military action could fracture Iran along ethnic and sectarian lines, particularly in Kurdish and Sunni Balush regions with histories of resistance.
For now, constraints remain. US military assets are stretched elsewhere, though the diplomats said that deployments could shift quickly.
David Makovsky at The Washington Institute, a think tank, said that if Trump acts, he expects a swift, high-impact action rather than a prolonged campaign - consistent with the president’s preference in recent conflicts for a single decisive action rather than deploying ground troops.
“He looks for this one gesture that might be a game changer, but what is it?,” said Makovsky.
Options range from maritime pressure on Iranian oil shipments to targeted military or cyber strikes, all carrying serious risks.
Some measures, all the sources said, could stop short of force, such as restoring internet access via Starlink to help protesters communicate.
The White House and State Department did not respond to Reuters questions about what action, if any, Trump might take.
“Trump sometimes uses threats to delay decisions, sometimes to deter adversaries, and sometimes to signal he is actually preparing to intervene,” said Makovsky at The Washington Institute. “We just don’t know yet which applies here.”
Ok so what is actually going on in Iran? Have any military units defected or any armories been seized? Otherwise this is probably just gonna fizzle unfortunately, Iran is so cucked at this point that it would be more useful as a sink for US resources in a civil war than as the leader of the completely dead “axis of resistance”
>Statement from the Workers' Communist Party of Iran (WCPI)
To the Workers, Toilers, and Oppressed Masses of Iran:
Comrades and fellow citizens,
The current unrest unfolding in our streets is not what it appears to be. The Workers' Communist Party of Iran, while standing in unwavering solidarity with the just grievances of the working class against economic hardship, corruption, and social oppression, issues a crucial warning: the predominant character of these protests has been hijacked and transformed into a dangerous instrument of foreign imperialism.
What we are witnessing is a carefully orchestrated "color revolution," a well-documented tactic of hybrid warfare developed by the intelligence apparatuses of the United States and its regional gendarme, the Zionist entity of Israel. Their goal is not liberation, but the destabilization and eventual overthrow of Iran's independent state structures to install a puppet regime subservient to Western capital and Zionist expansionism.
The vast network of so-called "human rights" NGOs, Persian-language media outlets based in London and Los Angeles, and "civil society" groups promoting this chaos are financed and directed by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and other conduits of American state power. The Zionist regime's intelligence services provide supplementary coordination, cyber warfare capabilities, and propaganda support.
The imperialists and their reactionary monarchist and neoliberal agents cynically exploit the real economic suffering caused by both cruel international sanctions and domestic mismanagement. They seek to divert the righteous anger of the workers and peasants away from a genuine class struggle and towards a counter-revolutionary movement that would only bring greater misery and imperialist domination.
The voices amplified by Western media are not those of factory councils or peasant unions. They are representatives of the exiled bourgeoisie, monarchist remnants, and pro-Western liberals who dream of surrendering Iran's resources to multinational corporations and normalizing relations with the usurping Zionist entity at the expense of the Palestinian cause.
The ultimate objective is to smash Iran's independent foreign policy, which opposes American hegemony in the region, and to dismantle any state barrier to the complete plunder of our nation's wealth. This is a war for oil, gas, and regional control, dressed in the deceptive language of "human rights" and "democracy."
We oppose the Islamic Republic's neoliberal economic policies, its suppression of workers' syndicates, and its social restrictions.
We condemn the brutal U.S.-led sanctions that are a form of economic warfare on our people.
We expose and unequivocally reject this imperialist-backed color revolution scheme. To support this movement is to invite a Libya- or Syria-style destruction upon our homeland.
The only true path to liberation is through the independent organization of the working class, in alliance with the peasantry and the progressive intelligentsia, in a struggle against both the domestic bourgeois-theocratic state and its imperialist enemies. We call on the masses to see through this deception, to reject the foreign-backed provocations, and to channel their struggle into a true socialist movement that fights for bread, work, freedom, and national sovereignty through the power of the united toilers.
>>2644675There is zero evidence that "millions want the shah back". You are being no better than the people you judge making up statistics like this.
>>2644673Source? All local WCPI media is pro protests
>>2644678>Source? we dont post sources here.
believe iranians. we have to stop the
regime >>2644677>the millions of protesters are not monarchists like MLibs and Mossad are claimingGlad we are in agreement and support the protests 👍
>>2644681there is zero evidence of millions of protesters
>>2644680not gonna get browbeaten for a failed state, sorry
>>2644683anon you have to suppoort the totally authentic mass movment by posting furiously online about it otherwise the
islamist regime will win and make the pretty ladies cover up and you wont get any tasty cuisine
>Statement of the Worker-communist Party of Iran on the new round of the uprising of the people of IranThe latest protests are unfolding amid a dramatic deterioration in living conditions. For many people, there is no longer any room for patience or compromise, and as a result ever wider sections of society are being compelled to enter the struggle and settle accounts with the ruling power. On the other side stands an Islamic Republic weaker and more crisis-ridden than ever, with no economic or political answers to offer, and still reliant on bullets, prisons, executions and the machinery of repression.
Strike committees, neighbourhood control committees, mutual aid committees and revolutionary coordination networks must be formed wherever possible, preparing the ground for the mass expansion of the political movement and readiness to deliver decisive blows to the Islamic Republic.
A clear example of this danger can be seen in the activities of monarchist forces. Through deception and propaganda, issuing death threats, intimidating opponents, engaging in thuggery, abuse and misogyny—in short, by modelling themselves on Trump-style fascism—they seek to eliminate rival figures and leaders who enjoy popular support, aiming wishfully to claim uncontested leadership. This delusion works to the benefit of the Islamic Republic and to the detriment of the people’s revolution. As a result, the struggle to overthrow the Islamic Republic has today become inseparable from the struggle to neutralise and defeat this home-grown, Trump-style fascism.
The revolution does not manifest itself solely through street protests, neighbourhood control or strikes. It can also take shape through revolutionary actions by workers in water, electricity, hospitals, telecommunications and other institutions, aimed at alleviating or resolving people’s immediate problems. This points to a broader truth: for full and comprehensive victory over the Islamic Republic, the current revolution must not only undertake revolutionary economic and welfare measures, but also move towards socialism—towards placing social production and distribution under the control of direct popular institutions.
The new phase of the Woman, Life, Freedom revolution has brought the prospect of victory over the Islamic Republic closer than ever before. At the same time, it makes clearer than ever that decisive victory can only come alongside the defeat of all reactionary, traditional and backward forces that promise the people a return to the past, to despotism, servitude and inequality.
https://wpiran.org/english/statement-of-the-worker-communist-party-of-iran-on-the-new-round-of-the-uprising-of-the-people-of-iran/ >>2644682True, considering previous protests had millions yet only fraction of casualties, it's probably tens of millions this time.
Glad you admitted the protests are not by monarchists like MLibs and Mossad claim doe
>>2644563Tankies will be raging when IRI finally falls.
>>2644690I have not yet seen evidence of even thousands of protesters.
>>2644690Hundreds of millions are protesting in Iran now.
>>2644694its actually trillions
>>2644695that doesn't say protesters. i have seen evidence that terrorists are killing service workers so that checks out.
>>2644695Source is literally "Iranian source" in articles, that's it.
Hundreds of thousands have been killed according to a source.
>>2644699My source can confirm this.
>>2644698wheres the link wiki doesnt even have a [c] anymore
anonymous officials familiar with the matter have confirmed it stop asking questions
Those who are for the protests
>communist parties in Iran, Iraq and Turkey, dozens of unions in the region
Those who are against the protests
>timmy Mcwhiteson from leftypol
Wonder what's that about
>>2644708It's actually Russian saboteurs
>>2644707>in Iranu sure they are in iran comrade?
if you think about it iran is basically west china
>>2644708Are you retarded?
>>2644710>CPI>WCPI>Arak Council >Teacher union>Suburb Bus Syndicate >Railway union>Free Workers' Union>Sugarcane Workers Syndicate>Coordination Council of Oil Workers>Coordination Council of Nurses>Kurdish and Azeri unionsPositive
>>2644719>communist parties in Iran>CPI>WCPIwell one of those isn't in iran and the rest are not parties so already wrong nice try tho
is there really a union called "kurdish and Azeri unions" and "Teacher union" lmao where? which city? is coming up with the same list of 17 random supposed "unions" that dont represent the majority of the population the best you can do
guys i just found out the basket weaving union workers of local 1337 in bumfuck alabama are calling for xi to nuke washington. americans are waking up the revolution is imminent! man the barricades! lock up drumpf!
>>2644728Marg Bar Orange Man
>>2644725CPI and WCPI-Hekmatist have been active in Iran before you were born.
The brown workers you claim to represent so much want to tear apart your lesser evil bourgeoisie limb from limb, not only in Iran but in neighbouring workers too. Thanks and cope again.
>>2644730>WCPI-Hekmatiscan we see the hekmatist statement pls? because if you didn't know they split from wcpi over two decades ago
>>2644735They follow the same line as the Iraqi and Kurdish parties
>>2644626 >>2644734billions of protesters want to overthrow the
regime this is obviously fake ai propaganda
>>2644736which iraqi and kurdish parties? is there a party called "the Iraqi and Kurdish party" that i havent heard of? where do they publish their statements?
>>2644739In your mother's bedroom each night
>>2644738Those who are for the protests
>(You)Those who are against the protests
>Iranianssee
>>2644734 >>2644734That's less than 50k in a country of 80 millions.
IRGC thugs alone are more than 50k lol
>>2644734>If protests affirm my position its based wholesome prole protest>If it doesnt affirm my position its comprador CIA mossad gusano infiltrator protest Le sigh
>>2644740so the best you can do is a translated statement that receives no results when searching because it does not match the original text that isn't even from people in iran and you cant manage to share where it is from?
is this the glowie kurds or just the glowing kurds? iraqi or syrian?
>>2644748It's the glowies who bang your mom every evening
Imperialist media outlets, once again relying on their vast resources and capabilities, have launched propaganda campaigns and disseminated fabricated narratives aimed at restoring the monarchy. They are attempting to ride the wave of the people’s legitimate protests and divert the anti-dictatorship movement from its true path. On the one hand, these media provide an excuse for regime leaders to label the people’s protest uprising as the work of the United States and Israel; on the other hand, by exaggerating monarchist currents, they seek to create obstacles in the process of building unity and practical coordination among progressive and national forces.
Developments at home and abroad over the past few days demonstrate that the artificial and dependent current formed around the slogan “return of the monarchy” not only lacks a broad social base and a serious program for democratic change, but is also incapable of achieving anything without U.S. and Israeli intervention and threats—aside from sabotaging the anti-dictatorship movement and popular protests. Reza Pahlavi’s shameful request to Trump on January 9, under the pretext of “helping the people of Iran,” in which he stated, “You have proven—and I know—that you are a man of peace and true to your word; please be ready to intervene to help the people of Iran,” is a clear example of the anti-national behaviour of this current. In practice, such appeals have given the leaders and repression apparatus of the Islamic Republic the opportunity and pretext they needed—citing Khamenei’s order labelling protesters as “rioters” and “foreign agents” and warning that the government would show them no leniency—to violently suppress the entire protest movement by falsely accusing the people, through figures such as Pezeshkian, of being “terrorists,” “instigators,” and mercenaries of the “enemy.” Given Trump’s threats of intervention in Iran, the actions of Reza Pahlavi and the leaders of the Islamic Republic together could create conditions that smooth the path toward a U.S. attack on Iran.
Over the past few days, major Western media outlets and some Western politicians, by exaggerating the monarchist current and steering public opinion toward portraying the collapse of the Islamic Republic as inevitable—and direct “Western” intervention under Trump’s leadership as necessary—have been pursuing and guiding an “alternative-making project” for Iran. For example, since last Friday night, BBC radio and television networks in the UK have aired videos produced by the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization, conducted interviews with John Bolton, and broadcast similar programs. Alongside major media in France and the United States, they are attempting to create an atmosphere and justification for intervention in Iran’s internal developments. The British government, a longstanding accomplice of the United States in advancing imperialist policies, also announced on Sunday, January 11, that it seeks a “peaceful transfer of power in Iran.”
In addition, we are witnessing regrettable actions by some well-known Iranian figures. Among them are Shirin Ebadi, jurist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate; Mohsen Makhmalbaf, writer and filmmaker; and Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan. In alignment with Reza Pahlavi, they wrote a letter to Trump calling for his intervention in Iran’s affairs—an intervention that would include military action. Is Shirin Ebadi unaware of the fascistic views, reactionary anti-woman and racist ideology, and aggressive, hegemonic policies of a figure like Trump and his war-criminal accomplice Netanyahu?
Within the framework of the plans of the United States and its allies for our country and the region, such appeals and reliance on foreign intervention in Iran’s internal affairs are in fact tools to contain and neutralize any possibility of organizing a popular movement and forming an Iranian force capable of rescuing the country from the current ruling dictatorship and guiding it toward national-democratic revolutionary transformations. These imperialist interventionist policies have been repeated many times in Iran over the past century. The Pahlavis played a fundamental role in implementing these policies, benefited from them, and in return granted major concessions to the intervening powers—against national interests—including during the August 19, 1953 coup against the national government of Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh following the nationalization of the oil industry.
After the overthrow of the dependent dictatorship of the Pahlavi family more than four decades ago in the popular revolution of 1979, the theocratic dictatorship quickly abandoned the ideals of the revolution and, in order to preserve the dominance of “political Islam” and protect the astronomical wealth of power-connected elites, positioned itself against the working people and national interests. For years, this regime has been an obstacle to fundamental national-democratic transformations. The situation has now deteriorated to such an extent that society sees all avenues for justice-seeking, equality, and freedom closed, and—despite repression—has reached an explosive stage of widespread street protest to reclaim its rights. Under such acute conditions, with a weak, corrupt, and repressive government, Iran once again faces dangerous threats from the United States, Israel, and their infiltrating agents.
The reality is that both the powerful forces and factions within the structure of the ruling dictatorship and the forces dependent on Trump’s America seek the continuation of some form of dictatorship in Iran. The first group pursues this goal either through preserving the existing structure centred on the absolute rule of the Supreme Leader—though its lifespan is rapidly approaching its end—or through limited changes aimed at safeguarding big-capital interests at any cost, while maintaining the current political economy within a neoliberal framework. The second group advances this approach within the strategic plans of Trump’s domineering and coercive government, in coordination with the war-mongering Netanyahu, to redraw the region’s geopolitical map. Today, Iran stands at the centre of these changes in its weakest and most fragile political, economic, and social condition.
https://www.solidnet.org/article/Tudeh-Party-of-Iran-Iran-on-the-Brink-of-Potentially-Devastating-Transformations-The-Urgent-Need-for-Immediate-Action-to-Save-the-Country-from-Dictatorship/>>2644754how am i supposed to search for the statement if you only share it in american and not original text?
lol you dont even have the link do you?
you just shared a screenshot from some facebook lmao
Comrades, Marx equips us with the sharpest dialectic: religion stands as "the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, the soul of soulless conditions, the opium of the people," a vital balm for the proletariat ground down by capital's unrelenting violence. In Iran, strangled by sanctions and imperial encirclement, the Gasht-e Ershad patrols enforcing hijab and modesty are no atavistic throwback but this sigh forged into a rampart, sealing off Western cultural hegemony, Hollywood's pornographic spectacles, consumerist rags like ripped jeans, the merciless commodification of women's bodies into engines of surplus value extraction. Engels lays bare the root in The Origin of the Family: "The first class antagonism which appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression with that of the female sex by the male," bound to private property. Yet here the patrols dialectically subvert bourgeois patriarchy, safeguarding proletarian reproduction against neoliberal dissolution that fragments masses into atomized wage slaves ripe for CIA color revolutions.The Communist Manifesto sounds the clarion: "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win." True Marxists champion Iran's morality police as anti-imperialist vanguard, the burqa as audacious retort to colonial unveiling from Algerian casbah to Paris banlieues, dismantling all coercion whether mullah's lash or gendarme's truncheon. Femonationalist lamentations over "oppression" mask imperialism's chains: drones on Yemenis, bombs on Gaza, austerity on the Global South. Religion dulls the siege's agony now, but proletarian dictatorship ends it, veiled militants seizing bodies, cultures, means from capitalism's den of exploitation. Forward to victory!
>>2644711Lmao
On the bottom "the variants of vojak and their meaning"
>>2644770indeed we must condemn hamas imperialism both sides etc etc
>>2644770Is Palestine imperialist?
>>2644773its a completely different statement about venezuela you fucking tool
>>2644776>what's a scroll wheel?Read the second headline you absolute fucking disabled retard
>>2644777how about you dont share unsourced bullshit you find on grandpas facebook
>>2644774>>2644775Iran, Qatar and Turkey are imperialists and they support the khamas bourgeoisie that has a history of anti-labor practices and recently agreed to open the place for investors so.
As a subsection of that, if you disagree in my proposal you probably like Marvel movies and Power Rangers and think about politics like those cartoons.
>>2644780Only American imperialism exists.
Comrades in the imperialist core, face the dialectic head on: Islamic theocracy is Marxism-Lenin's supreme synthesis for peripheral revolutions. The Quran's iron discipline reforges the proletariat into an anti-Yankee hammer no secular dogma can match. Marx revealed religion as "the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, the soul of soulless conditions, the opium of the people." It anesthetizes sanction-torn masses while fueling class war against capital's carnage. Iran's Republic proves it. Gasht-e Ershad patrols crush hijab lapses and moral rot, barricading Hollywood porn, ripped-jeans bait, neoliberal family-shredders priming CIA colors. Mahsa Amini riots were Zionist-CIA knives exploiting Quranic slack. Western rights venom splintered ranks as Gaza bled.
Engels tied patriarchy to property. Iran's theocracy annihilates it, hardening ummah fortresses against empire's zombies.The Manifesto commands: "Proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win." Flood streets with Quranic enforcement. Morality police as ML vanguard. Supreme Leader as Lenin's centralism. U.S. leftists, your secularism is death. Iran's Islam is evolved Leninism. Burqas hurl back colonial nudity. Patrols quarantine capital's brothel. Moral slip invites Soros hordes. Clamp down with theocratic fury. Global South inferno consumes imperialism. Islamic proletarian dictatorship or bust. Total victory awaits.
>>2644784American imperialism (Israel) supported Khamas against workers in the past.
>>2644781China is socialism in one country
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