/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2648734
makes me like ben norton more tbq& also h

>>2648757
>military leaders who swore loyalty to the constitution might actually pull a coup on him.
they won't. USAnians are the most servile, docile, inert, passive, domesticated, sheepish population on the planet.

DOJ: Ban on mailing concealable firearms unconstitutional, can’t be enforced

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5691733-doj-opinion-handguns-usps/

A nearly 100-year-old federal ban on mailing handguns through the U.S. Postal Service is unconstitutional and cannot be enforced, according to an opinion released Thursday by the Department of Justice (DOJ).

The 15-page opinion concluded that a 1927 law, which made it illegal to use the Postal Service to mail concealable firearms, such as pistols and revolvers, infringes on the Second Amendment

What is to be with trump supporters?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-ice-agents-shooting-good-unjustified-inappropriate/story?id=129253596

>>2648754
IIRC the national guard deployment was limited in part by the fact they couldn't actually enforce laws (hence many of them loitering around or picking up trash) but this would give them law enforcement capabilities, which is basically just asking for them to kill people.

Lemme explain, during the L.A. riots there was an incident where an LAPD officer looked at two marines and asked them to cover him while he was going around a house of some suspect or something. The marines asked:
>"Are you sure?"
Guy said of course he was sure, so they then proceeded to stand up and just open fire on this poor fucker's house, miraculously no one was killed. "Cover me" in cop lingo basically just means "keep an eye out for threats", to the marines it meant provide covering fire.

Most of these guys aren't trained to actually enforce laws. The military is, broadly speaking, a lethal instrument. So what happens if in the course of taking over as law enforcement, they just start killing people en masse? Like if they see some kid waving around an airsoft they're probably even less likely than fucking cops not to draw on them. If they see some homeless guy screaming wildly they're probably even more likely to shoot. And let's say people get pissed and decide to protest having "shirt first, ask questions never" soldiers on the streets? Violence would likely erupt, Trump declares martial law, and then its time to just arrest all his political enemies who he'll claim are behind these "insidious attacks on our brave troops."

>>2648761
White nationalist cuntry = white nationalist cops, military, politicians, everything basically

>>2648690
The vaccines literally saved lives. Anyone who opposes vaccination is a fucking moron. Yes it was a wealth transfer to multinational pharma corps but that's a separate matter from the lockdowns and vaccination itself. It's like telling people not to eat food because it's a wealth transfer to Monsanto. Absolutely idiotic.

>>2648746
Do you think they…?

>Caracas CODEL: Senators are eager to visit Venezuela

Senators left a meeting Thursday with Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado with plans to visit her country — but differing views on when she should return herself.

Why it matters: President Trump's forceful removal of Nicolas Maduro continues to split the Senate.


The big picture: More than a dozen senators packed into the meeting and praised Machado's courage. But they disagreed over how Venezuela should transition to democracy — and when it would be safe for her to go home.

What they're saying: "That lady's got guts, right?" Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) told Axios. "I think she needs to be in the country. I think she needs to rally the Venezuelans."

"She did indicate that she wants to go back as soon as possible — which I advised, in Spanish, is not a good idea," said Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.)."I just think it's dangerous," Gallego added.
"We would rather have respected leaders of the opposition take their time to go back and be safe."
Driving the news: Machado met earlier in the day with Trump and said afterward on Fox News that she gifted him her non-transferable Nobel Peace Prize.

"She didn't mention that, and neither did anybody else," Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) said.


What we're watching: Senators are already discussing a potential CODEL to Caracas.

"I discussed maybe senators going down to visit to show support for the opposition," Gallego said. "I'll do the interpretation."
Scott is also on board. "I think it's important to go, but we've got to make sure it's safe.
"The bottom line: Democrats and Republicans are united in celebrating Machado — but not in embracing the Trump administration's approach.

"A large group of Democrats were fawning on Machado," Sen. Bernie Moreno (R-Ohio) said. "Yesterday, they were trying to say that what President Trump did was wrong."

https://www.axios.com/2026/01/16/venezuela-machado-senate-codel

>>2648757
It just seems somewhat likely that he invokes the insurrection act cause it sounds scary and cool and Miller wants him to. Soldiers go into Minnesota and it's more of the same shit, they look the same as the ICE officers, the dems plead, "now we'll REALLY exercise our 1st amenmet, but definitely don't give him an excuse to escalate!!", the protestors are mostly unarmed and are just throwing rocks and water bottles, everyone's pissed, turns out the soldiers are slight more disciplined than chud ICE agents who got trained yesterday and manage not to shoot anyone and then everybody goes home in a few months when the next distraction is on the news. Not to be a doomer nothing ever happens, because I can see how something very well could happen but…

>>2648764
>Most of these guys aren't trained to actually enforce laws. The military is, broadly speaking, a lethal instrument. So what happens if in the course of taking over as law enforcement, they just start killing people en masse? Like if they see some kid waving around an airsoft they're probably even less likely than fucking cops not to draw on them.
This is somewhat incorrect. Soldiers have rules of engagement that forbid them from just indiscriminately firing on civilians without permission unless they are fired upon first. Of course in practice this isn't always adhered to but it's a huge issue with American law enforcement when former soldiers join the police and are appalled at how lax the rules are. It was one of the primary reasons Dorner did what he did from seeing the LAPD's constant abuses.

This is also why the National Guard occupations in various US states were pretty chill compared to these ICE occupations. I mean there were still Gravy SEALS that tried to larp as if it were a warzone, but most of them just wanted to get paid and go home. They aren't cops.

>>2648763
>What is to be with trump supporters?

Personally I think the only way to deal with this is mass censorship of right wing news orgs and forums, tear them apart piece by piece. Then make token arrests of the loudest and most anti-social Trump supporters and send them to be re-educated. Start aggressively taxing churches that served as propaganda arms for the Republican party. Then work on tearing down every goddamned confederate statue in this country (replacing most with John Brown and other abolitionists) and aggressively begin a propaganda campaign to revive the spirit of reconstruction by attacking the Confederate Cause, its leadership, and declaring once and for all that the civil war was about slavery and that the confederate states existed solely to perpetuate slavery, and that their being crushed mercilessly was a historically good thing.

WASHINGTON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s Republicans are divided over whether federal immigration officers should try harder to avoid hurting people following the shooting death of a community activist during an immigration raid, according to a Reuters/Ipsos survey.

While 95% of Republicans continue to approve of Trump’s performance as president, the poll conducted on Monday and Tuesday suggests a significant slice of Trump’s backers are wary of his administration’s aggressive approach to immigration enforcement. The poll found American approval of Trump’s approach to immigration at its lowest point since he returned to office a year ago.

Poll respondents were asked to pick whether immigration officers should prioritize reducing harm to people even if this limits the number of arrests, or if they should be willing to use force even if there is a risk of serious injury or death.

Some 59% of Republicans favored a policy prioritizing arrests even if people get hurt, while 39% said officers should focus on reducing harm to people even if it means fewer arrests. Democrats were unified, with 96% focused on avoiding injuries and 4% saying immigration officers should focus on arrests. A handful of respondents did not answer the question.

Trump supporters are not shaken by any of this. Their support gets even stronger to new ideas trump throws. Cult.

>>2648763
>>2648773
See the thing is you need a real plan for de-Nazification of the USA. It's not enough just to deal with Trumpists. The whole imperial core is reactionary but the USA is absolutely the bourgeoisie of the bourgeoisie. I tried researching into the GDR but to be honest the Soviets really didn't do a good enough job there. How can you de-Americanize the USA once you've seized power is a real puzzler.

lol

Hannity: "Why won't you condemn this woman that tried to run that I.C.E. Agent over in Minnesota that started all of this?" To Democrat rep Ro Khanna

>>2648780
Just once I'd love for someone on here to say "Well that's a load of horseshit for one."

‘HE DESERVES IT’: Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado sits down with @RCamposDuffy to share the “emotional moment” she presented President Trump with her Nobel Peace Prize

>>2648780
nice touch having him next to a list of criminals while cutting him off constantly and then definitely finish the interview by starting an ad segue mid-answer while he was delivering his point, what an insane show

DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin on "acts of violence" against ICE agents in Minnesota: "Pouring water on the ground so that it would freeze the ground in front of our federal law enforcement vehicles so that they would potentially slide, crash, and potentially kill them"

>>2648756
>Gonzalez
the presidential candidate backed by machado.
>Capriles
not on the exact same boat right now.
>Damn I thought the opposition that was actually in Venezuela wasn't purely running on "sell everything to US" and wanted Maduro to stand trial in Venezuela?
many local opposition figures, yes. most in exile, don't.
eh, the zuloaga, the same family maria corina machado (zuloaga) comes from, is an old rich family that once tried to sell vast extensions of Venezuela's land (nicomedes zuloaga) to any global power that could stop the federalist revolution led by Ezequiel Zamora's intention to give more land to the farmers and peasants, and universal suffrage. so it's an old habit of that family. another nicomedes zuloaga in the late 20th century participated in a big corruption scandal, and got released by the neolib in power by the time.

ICE agents eat at small-town Mexican restaurant — then arrest workers

>>2648755
to some extent that's how they square off the incredible incompetence of venezuela's reactionary leaders, like how there's an anti-trump faction among the right wing. it's not that gusanos champion retarded failsons that are unable to establish a coherent opposition, it's that the chavistas are putting forward stupid people as opposition to look good.

>>2648582
I have really found it odd that Ukrainian propaganda or info-space hasn't used "holodomor" at all in my view.

>>2648785
She's giving "I sound out my words as I speak"

Okay marco stop sympathizing with the IDF sir

>>2648793
>it's that the chavistas are putting forward stupid people as opposition
I guarantee you that the opposition's leaderships are handpicked in washington DC. that they are incompetent it's because of the eternal tribal conflicts inside their organization, too many War chieftain, too little Indians: everyone thinks is the War chieftain. also, I am sure many of them are compromised and infiltrated by many Venezuelan intelligence agencies, or some other intelligence agencies. the idea of guaido was because he was a nobody, so he could travel more easily than his bosses, from voluntad popular.

>>2648396
I still believe that 2028 will see the rise of a populist figure similar to a Huey Long get as big as 1992 Ross Perot and end up in a national three way race as it becomes Rubio vs (insert dem) vs this populist figure.

>>2648785
I also saw them throw down banana peels and play "womp womp womp" on the trombone when ICE agents slipped on them.

Remember what you are capable of.

This interview of Ayatollah Khomeini by Oriana Fallaci, after the Islamic Republic has started suppressing leftists and *just* before the hostage crisis, is one of the most jaw-dropping acts of journalism ever — for the frankness of both parties alone

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/10/07/archives/an-interview-with-khomeini.html

>>2648775
Then Trump supporters can get blasted and buried in unmarked graves. I don't care about winning hearts and minds of these inhuman freaks. You're a nazi? Get blasted. Simple as. Retvrn to what made this country unified, killing fucking fascists.

>>2648814
She almost got kissenger fired and got shot by the Mexican army

>>2648814
>If you do not like Islamic dress you are not obliged to wear it.
>I do not judge personal matters
Amazing how quickly religions fundamentalists, who build their entire worldview on moral absolutism and advocate totalitarianism, shrivel into relativists when challenged.

i wish I was in Minneapolis right now
wish I was doing something dog god damn

>"men used to fight in wars"
yeah i know I'm tryna fight in a revolutionary one

>>2648825
>i wish I was in Minneapolis right now
>wish I was doing something dog god damn
Why aren't you? Aren't you still in Florida? Organize a riot or something bruh.

>>2648766
Chinese and Russian vaccines were conventional vaccines and guaranteed safer than the untested shit US pharma companies rushed out. Ben clearly wanted people to avoid the untested vaccines and had to give an economic argument because otherwise liberals would ruin his career by framing him as "anti-science conspiracy theorist."

>>2648840
Ben was pro-vax I thought.
There's also still no evidence the vaccines were ever dangerous. It's likely US pharmas just copied the chinese/russian vaxx and rebranded it. Anti-vaxx nonsense is still nonsense even if you frame it as anti-imperialism. The stance of every health professional from the first world to the third world was "get whichever vaccine you have access to, they're all better than not being vaccinated" and I still think that's correct. American pharmas are evil but they aren't in the business of killing people with fake vaccines; that would go against their business model.

>>2648766
>The vaccines literally saved lives
I wasn't in the mood to reply, but this other comrade summarizes it well: >>2648840
though, I'd say, there was little advocacy for other vaccines in that crowd (jimmy dore, Max, Aaron, etc.) to be fair.

>>2648840
they did do testing before rolling out nationally though. people volunteered to be first in line for human trials knowing full well they were the guinea pigs because they knew it was for the greater good. and there never turned out to be any proven side effects to the vaccines

>>2648862
accept for Johnson & Johnson. That one sometimes gave people Guillaume-Barre syndrome if you were an old guy

>>2648773
>Personally I think the only way to deal with this is mass censorship of right wing news orgs and forums, tear them apart piece by piece. Then make token arrests of the loudest and most anti-social Trump supporters and send them to be re-educated. Start aggressively taxing churches that served as propaganda arms for the Republican party. Then work on tearing down every goddamned confederate statue in this country (replacing most with John Brown and other abolitionists) and aggressively begin a propaganda campaign to revive the spirit of reconstruction by attacking the Confederate Cause, its leadership, and declaring once and for all that the civil war was about slavery and that the confederate states existed solely to perpetuate slavery, and that their being crushed mercilessly was a historically good thing.
I get where where you're coming from, especially the last half of your paragraph, but with the first half you're too soft on the Trumpists yet too harsh on free speech. Historically, Socialists in the US have always been unconditional advocates for free speech which few American Leftists today appreciate. Censorship is something we can't really afford to cynically pick and choose in the US, especially in the past 3 years since Oct 7th, where Biden's latter-day term and especially Trump's term now are directly invoking Left-of-Center rhetoric around antisemitism to justify the repression of protesters.

Besides, as far as the whole debate between free speech vs censorship goes, Leftists today just don't really appreciate the secret third option, which is freedom of the press for the sole purpose of making the Red terror easier to pursue. Censorship merely makes the Right better at speaking in code. Even still, as long as we manage to have control of the most mainstream outlets of mass media, we can just drown them out anyways.

That being said, I feel there's a lot of things that can, and should, be done to break the back of the Conservative movement, and a lot of it would be through creating a new Democratic, Socialist Constitution to ensure that, through law, Conservatives and the bougies are either systemically locked out of power, or have their power equalized by proletarianizing the bougies and actually enshrining worker's democracy and the Rights of oppressed/marginalized groups.

Among many other things to include in that Constitution:
>Allow multi-party democratic elections in a unicameral legislature (with the caveat that advocating for any return to Capitalism is banned)
>(Similar to how the IWW deals with membership) You can only have voting rights as long as you don't own capital, or be someone else's boss. If you are a boss, you have to immediately train your former subordinates in managerial functions to encourage worker's self-management before you can regain voting rights. (admittedly, the terms and conditions around that last part would need to be hashed out by an actual Socialist movement instead of just a single guy like me)
>Freedom of religion, but with the caveat that if an individual congregation is confirmed, with proof, that they were either advocating for the arbitrary stripping of a group's Rights, or aiding and abetting a Conservative political organization, that congregation will be deemed a political organization and be dealt with accordingly

And a few other things that should be done, but might not necessarily be something to include directly in a Constitution, assuming that any of this would be done in the context of a violent confrontation like another civil war:
>Rank-and-file combatants of a Right wing faction must undergo re-education and, if need be, a literal socialization process
>If any rank-and-file combatants are confirmed to have committed a crime against humanity upon an individual or community, they shall be tried by a jury composed of the individual, closest relative and/or the community directly wronged, with the power to decide punishments up to and including execution. If those rank-and-file combatants are confirmed to have committed genocide on a community, they shall be tried by a military tribunal (let's face it, they're getting the fucking wall at that point)
>Open season on the organizers of Conservative organizations, be they Propagandists, Officers (political and/or military), or Theorists*1
As a bonus, certain Centrist Democrats should be tried in court for war crimes or crimes against humanity, depending on their context, and sentenced from anything between permanent house arrest to execution, assuming any of them live long enough to be tried at all.

*1: The lines between these three roles can often blur for some individuals, but I feel the need to emphasize these distinctions because people put so much focus on guys like Ben Shapiro and the like as if they're theorists just because they write books. In reality they're propagandists and thus low hanging fruit compared to the theorists, who are actually deep in the thinktanks. Pic related

>>2648850
>Ben was pro-vax I thought.
He is and so am I.
>There's also still no evidence the vaccines were ever dangerous.
Because they cut the tests in order to rush them out. The main issue is the mRNA vaccines should have had long term controlled studies on humans before administering them to the larger population. Instead they cut the studies short and liberals attacked anyone who criticized this as "anti-science" or "anti-vax."
>but they aren't in the business of killing people with fake vaccines; that would go against their business model.
Not if they get legal immunity, which they did.
>>2648862
But not long term testing, obviously. They would still be going if they did long term tests. They even stopped watching the control group they did have. so know we can't fully know the true long term results

Flashback:

It had been less than 24 hours. A healthcare CEO, one of the top ghouls for capitalism, had just gotten blasted on primetime in NYC. All the surveillance in the world couldn’t prevent homeboy from getting slimed out in Manhattan. No one knew the name of the assassin, but we all knew he was a hero.

Less than 24 hours had passed and HOUDINI? We already had a DJ mix ready to go. Already sampled the news clip. Put that CEO on a motherfucking tee shirt. Deny. Defend. Depose.—the words carved into the bullet shells became the title for the mix. You can listen to that mix here.

Why drill music? Because we dropping bodies, that’s why. Because for too long, it’s been the poor killing the poor over the scraps the rich leave us, and for once, it was the working class getting one on the rich. Instead of fighting each other, we killed one of them. And that’s big facts. And that’s the moral of the story.

They want us killing each other in the streets. They want us fighting each other for a sliver of dignity. They do not want us taking the fight to the master, the exploiter, the capitalist.

The streets spoke, and a healthcare CEO got his. Simple as.

Here's some key Erik Houdini quotes from the coverage to sit with.

"People aren't just ambivalent—they're celebrating. They see this for what it is: someone striking back. And that terrifies the system. Do you really think they want the poor—people who've been killing each other for scraps in the streets—to start looking at this and thinking, damn, that motherfucker got a lot of clout? Everybody loves this guy. The last thing they want is for this to inspire others."

"For decades, these ghouls thought they could poison the world, rake in their millions, and retreat to private islands, free from consequences. This killing shattered that illusion."

"This was intentional, deliberate, and aimed squarely at the top. The working class is restless, disillusioned, and increasingly unafraid to challenge those who profit from their misery. Decades of systemic neglect, greed, and corporate overreach have pushed people to the brink."

"This is bigger than one man. This is about the millions facing the same system, the same despair, the same crushing indifference. The regime can smear him, bury him, or even kill him, but they can't stop the truth from spreading: this system is unsustainable, and those it's destroying will not go quietly."

"This is a message. A declaration that the systems that exploit, crush, and profit off the suffering of millions can't operate unchecked forever. No one is untouchable. The walls of privilege aren't as high as the powerful think."

"The truth is, the state kills all the time. You just don't call it that when it's done by people with badges, gavels, and suits. You want to talk about violence? Let's talk about violence:

Violence is when you deny someone healthcare, and they die from a treatable illness because they couldn't afford the bill. Violence is evicting a family because rent costs are through the roof, leaving kids sleeping in cars. Violence is a knee surgery denied by insurance that leaves a worker crippled, their family homeless, their lives destroyed."

"When it's a policy that quietly kills a family, that's fine. That's orderly. That's acceptable. But when the violence comes back to them, suddenly it's a moral crisis."

"When the state kills, it's policy. When the people fight back, it's a crime. That's the hierarchy, plain and simple."

"The material conditions leading us here should be obvious. The elites—the capitalists and their enablers—have built an entire system predicated on the suffering of others. Their wealth, their power, their yachts and ski trips, all depend on millions of people grinding themselves into dust just to scrape by. These elites have insulated themselves for decades, convincing themselves that their suffering subjects either worship them as "job creators" or fear them as untouchable gods. But what happens when that insulation fails? What happens when those who suffer realize they have nothing left to lose?

"Imagine their lives. They can't go outside without bodyguards. They can't vacation without paranoia. Every ski instructor, every deckhand, every waiter, every driver—they side-eye them all, wondering who might take their shot. Who might decide, in a moment of desperation, to shove a knife between their ribs? The irony is, for all their power, they're prisoners of the fear their wealth creates. That's the reality they live in, and it's not as comfortable as they'd like you to think."

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>>2647942
i hate crackericans so much bro why did santa anna have to go and fuck up so badly with the texans

>>2648047
Yeah it's more likely that Europe goes the way of cold war South America with far right shithole governments that end up collapsing because they no longer have the capacity to imperialize and fund their corporatism. only then will the commies begin acting