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>>2535127
So give the fact US invasion of Greenland went from provocative joke to a realistic possibility, what are the chances of European governments getting their shit together?
Euros are honorary third worlders
t. third worlder
>>2653651
why in the world would an european be a communist in the first place?
Is there still a chance that Macron regime will fall because of the Article 49.3 thing?
Or did everyone give up again
>>2653725
yeah buddy the thing is if europeans revolted today the result would be exactly the opposite of what you hope for
>>2654568
Coal
reminder that a european communist who is not both anti-NATO and anti-EU is no communist at all
reminder that european states are american vassals and that they must focus on a war of national liberation first, only afterwards can they even think about socialism
reminder that these are standard leninist positions and have nothing to do with third worldism
reminder that none of these violate Ordinance 4
>>2654267macron regime will cruise on easy mode till 2027
there have been many protests during his reign, he simply sits tight, sends police in the streets and everything goes back to normal after a few weeks max
macron invaincu macron invincible
>>2654966
Anti-Putinism can be secondary. Primarily you must be anti-EU anti-NATO. If you succeed in that, regain national sovereignty, and successfully resist Yank bullying, then sure you can be anti-Putin all you want.
may the old world beat the new world
Did anyone else saw Marat/Sade btw?
Or am I being too much of an European?!
>>2655052
Why is the EU a good thing? Why should the EU not be opposed?
>>2655064
You did not answer the question + european countries are oppressed nations
europeans are enslaved by america
>implying the euros ever lost national sovereignty
yes France is still responsible for west africa using the CFA Franc don't think euros just get to dodge responsibility for not being the biggest boss in the imperialist cartel
>>2655069it is sad to be so stoopid
>>2655069it's currently (very slowly) getting dropped in west africa,and they don't even need to give their foreign reserves since 2019
also the CFA franc is under brussells command since 1999,since it's pegged to the euro now.
>>2655069We are literal vassals to the USA, you fucking moron.
French people are an oppressed nation. It is harder to be French than to be a black or an arab.
>>2655134>We are literal vassals to the USA, you fucking moron.LMAO no but go ahead, absolve your imperialists of responsibility some more
<it was actually the americans that convinced us to invade suez!!!! the algerian war is NOT a stain on our perfectly guilt-free and innocent conscious!!!!!disgusting euro crybabies think they're victims of imperialism themselves
>>2655134>also the CFA franc is under brussells command since 1999yes the EU is an imperialist institution, look how much Value they extract from the rest of the world because of colonial relics like the CFA franc
>it's currently (very slowly) getting dropped in west africanot fast enough
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>but GermanyThen make them openly oppose all of Europe to keep supporting zionist entity
>>2654930Reminder that I will keep supporting EU as a leftist
>>2654930True and correct
>>2654267It's not impossible but unlikely that Lecornu gets fired, It'll be extremly close however.
For now NFP (minus PS) and the RN/UDR are in favor of the motion of censure PS are against it, Government is obviously against it, LR is probably against it.
But, Amound LR and PS, it's not impossible that some might break rank, it's also not impossible that LIOT (independant regionalists) and independant MPs vote in favor of it and therefore collapse it.
But it'd be extremly close.
What happens next is hard to know, but already, France won't have a budget for this year, they'll do last year's one again.
Macron will likely be untouched, there exists a motion to remove the president, but it's impossible for it to pass.
Macron will therefore have 3 choice, call for new elections, unlikely because it wont favor him and i'd be in the middle of the municipal elections. Name a prime minister from either the far right or the NFP, or just name another random centrist (Even Lecornu) and hope he won't get fired again. Like he did last time with Bayrou and Barnier.
We are so incredibly fucked until we get a SWIFT replacement
I hate 21st century history because you alredy know europe is dead and it's going to get swallowed by the rest of the world but it plays out super fucking slow, like, just get it over with, you never recovered from ww2 stop trying to pretend you are not a corpse and just fucking die alredy.
you have to options as a european
>total unification under a hitler/napoleon figure
>accept you are going to get gangraped by russia
>>2655242
You will never ever win like this. Your willful ignorance helps only the capitalists.
>>2657372Russia-gate tier
>>2657372Why is it always about rape with the ziggers?
>>2653642The European Century of Humiliation can not be cancelled.
>>2657389hybridization has terrible consequences on the genetic stock of a species and because of their steppe ancestry ziggers are the result of intense race mixing
>>2657977arent mixed breeds more healthy
like mixed dogs and horses
If you can consider mixed homo sapiens "mixed" at all
>>2654930I'm anti-EU but I will push for an EU Army for the obvious reason it breaks apart Europe from the US and finally nukes Atlanticism.
Breaking the West into competing blocs is good for everyone. Hopefully Australia and NZ see the light and align themselves more with China.
>>2657980generally no but that depends on how far removed (genetically) the parent populations were
hybridization of hooded crow and black crow results in offspring so inferior those birds got bumped into being different species despite being the same bird <10k years ago
>>2654930>reminder that european states are american vassals and that they must focus on a war of national liberation first, only afterwards can they even think about socialismOh I get it, this is a bit, right?
>>2657372The bourgeoisie don't need a hitler or napoleon, slow decay is on a trajectory to continue until society collapses because capitalism makes people inept and unwilling to reproduce the basis for civilization.
>>2657290why do you lick the ass of the european bourgeoisie?
>>2657372uyghur, you listed two people who invaded Russia and brought a lot of devastation to the country. Don't you think you may be the bad guy and not people who just want European capital to fuck off from Soviet Union territory that they have no right to be on or influence in any way, shape or form?
>>2658064America and its european lackeys = bad
russia and china = good
simple as
>>2658087
>soviet imperialism
typical fascist euro nafoid
>>2658088it's very hard to miss how this all soviet revanchism is anything but classic russoidal laying claims to lands they do not belong in
>>2658087
kill yourself bitch
>>2658064Soviet union is long dead THOUGH
The EU is a vassal of the US
The EU is an international organization
Therefore supporting the EU against the US is internationalist liberation
>>2658187Inter-imperialist conflict 🥱
The eu won't do shit
Swedish pension fund Alecta dumps up to $8.8 billion in US government bonds
This comes after Danish pension fund AkademikerPension's decision in January 20th 2026 to exit U.S. Treasuries due to heightened credit risks
Source:
https://www.di.se/nyheter/di-avslojar-alecta-har-dumpat-amerikanska-statspapper/>>2658197Why the fuck I have to live in Scandinavia
>>2658197explain in caveman terms
Will Roma people get their own republic after Revolution?
>>2658201This could trigger a selling off spree which would drop US treasury prices and increase their yields (interests rates) which would make mortage payments higher for Americans
now that the "rules based order" is fully gone, it is not expected that the EU will follow american sanctions right…. right…..
EUROANONS, EXPLAIN WHY THE FUCK YOUR COUNTRY STILL IS INVOLVED ON THE STARVATION OF VENEZUELA AND IRAN, both the EU and UK are moving to "distance from US" yet they are still adopting unilatteral sanctions that are responsible for destroying and crippling venezuelan and iranian economies, mainly venezuela.
it is on interest of europe to remove sanctions and asset freezes, including the shameful reserves seizure done by london and recognize maduro/delcy, as also nicaragua and cuba, giving a way those countries suffering by the now enemy, USA, a relief and trade with capitalism, but yet, this never and still fails to happen.
ATP if this shit continue i am throwing my support to russia to denazify eastern and western europe once uKKKraine is done and the destruction of EU and hanging of eurocrat libfascist imperialists
>>2658211Baby steps, we need actual independence before actually independent foreign policy can happen
Trust me I know, I am a Lithuanian and, for example, I can tell you that Lithuania is the only EU country not to ratify EU-Cuba trade agreement
>>2658211because the bourgeoisie of my cunt don't want to be on the side that gets bombed. it's quite simple actually
>>2658092>>2658087Fuck off nafoid.
>>2658211Cubas largest export markets are Spain China Germany and the Netherlands btw
>>2658087
>soviet imperialism
you need to go back
>>2658309How is this a bad cause ? This agreement will just increase price of stuff lmfao
>>2658309Farmers are the worst petite bourgeois pieces of shit, yes
Commission is likely to provisionally apply it anyway under pressure from Merz because otherwise EU industry is fucked
>>2658315Also you know, the whole US thing
>>2658315Also also Canada-EU trade deal was provisionally applied even after referral to CJEU
>>2658314meat imports from Mercosur are limited to 1% of the european market and agricultural products 5%, the deal is heavily favored to euros and they're rejecting it anyway lmao. Farm industry subsidy hogs needs to go extinct
>>2658315>>2658327Why do we have pro free trade retards on here ?
>>2658328I thought China was based?
>>2658338Somehow I don't think making the Brazilians burn down the Amazon forest for larger exploitations is going to usher in world revolution.
Also if anything, the accords favor German Industry and weakens Europeans agriculture, the main result of it will be that food will be shittier and costlier, the main result of that is europeans getting fatter. So I guess Thirdwordists win again.
>>2658351>Somehow I don't think making the Brazilians burn down the Amazon forest for larger exploitations is going to usher in world revolution.what, only imperialist porky has the privilege of clear cutting entire forests now? sounds like a double standard to me
>Also if anything, the accords favor German Industry and weakens Europeans agricultureI'm just saying, if this deal was actually beneficial to europe it would've been signed the day it was proposed, instead of delaying it 27 years
>>2658381I don't think europeans should destroy their forests, but I really don't think you understand the ecological consequences of destroying the Amazone forest. But glad you'll side with the Brazilians settlers over the indigenous people of the Amazonas seeing their litteral home being destroyed to sell crap burgers to Mcdonalds in Europe, trully a worthwhile thing.
It favors German industry, letting them expand new markets, while destroying European agriculture, it took 27 years to sign due to opposition from farmers and countries with an important farming industry, like France, Ireland or Poland. It's harmfull for the european working class, as it makes them grow fat.
EU farmers are worthless subsidized welfare queens who cannot justify their own existance
>>2658438Thank god the forest burning bolsonarist farmers aren't reliant on welfare then.
>>2658398>But glad you'll side with the Brazilians settlers over the indigenous people of the Amazonas seeing their litteral home being destroyed to sell crap burgers to Mcdonalds in Europe, trully a worthwhile thing.Moralizing + Marx considered manifest destiny historically progressive + Latam agricultural industry already outcompetes european price points so there's no need to get all hysterical about 'burning forests down' before anything can be sold to europe lmao.
>It's harmfull for the european working classwhat would benefit european proles most of all is destroying Agriculture subsidies, 1000 euros are being gifted to farmers to grow 800 euros worth of sugar beets. If you really wanted euros to be skinny you'd want all the welfare queen farmers to quit farming xDDD
>>2658438i can justify their existence
>>2658460That's true, they aren't because due to their climate, geography, economy of scale and advanced biotechnology Mercosur can have massive farms which produce yields 2-3 times a year instead of shitty small disorganized unprofitable subsidy baby farms which will drag down into hell if they are given the chance
>>2658463european countries need to have control over their food production to ensure quality and supply even if it means overpaying slightly
Yes us Marxists understand that the rich chinese end europeans need our treats, therefore the poor brazilians who need currency should expel the backward savages and develop the land to accomplish the will of the beautiful market.
Just forget about imperialism dude, forget that artificial meat will make all of that stranded capital that destroyed irreplaceable natural resources in 10 years nerd, just think about the next quarter of GDP growth bro
Seriously (note my Eat the rich flag) EU farmers are worst pieces of shit on this world. The idea that leftists, let alone, marxist would defend these regressive reactionary petit bourgeois scum is illogical
As far as EU farmers are concerned if they don't like something it must be destroyed
>>2658479Domestic food production must always be maintained at some level for obvious reasons but these fuckers need to be forced to become more effective or perish
>>2658490> forget that artificial meat MOTHERFUCKER TRY TALKING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL MEAT TO AN EU FARMER THEN GET BACK TO ME
YOU SHOULD HATE THEM TOO
>>2658495The EU farmers are also mostly scum
>>2658463I don't think Marx would consider climate change as a positive, it's fairly obvious that this deal will just make the brasilian farmers produce more and more, and they need more land to produce. It also hurts the rest of brazilian society by making them more reliant on farming for their economy.
Europe has better standards in food quality then Latin america, if the food stop beings european then the food quality will be worse making people more unhealthy, particularly the poor. This deal only benefits rich brazilian farmers and european industrialists, even from a third worldist perspective, it makes Latin america reliant on Europe for their industry, how is that a good thing ? Dislike farmers if you want, but this is just retarded.
>>2658479>european countries need to have control over their food production to ensure quality and supplythe problem is 90% of euro citizens think this is literally communism. whatever happened to letting the market decide? oh right, free market doctrine was only listened to when the market was favorable to european industry. now that it isn't it's all "national security this, national security that!" bunch of hypocrites
Italy banned artificial meat because EU farmers asked them too
EU banned calling plant milk - milk and using terms like sausage or patty with vegan products because EU farmers asked them too
But sure these "people" will totally adapt and change instead of literally shitting up the streets with cow manure and screaming and crying until they get their way
>>2658499in typical euro fashion you disguise your love of the status quo by hiding behind the myth of the noble savage. "Latam shouldn't be able to develop and break free from imperialist bondage!" is what you are saying in actual practice. European porky would agree with you in actual practice.
>Europe has better standards in food quality then Latin america, if the food stop beings european then the food quality will be worse making people more unhealthy, particularly the poor. more disguised Chauvinism. You think european cattle held indoors 3-5 months of the year is preferable to Brazilian cattle outdoors eating grass year-round? What is this nonsense I'm reading? I honestly don't give a fuck how it effects the individual european worker, they are insignificant to the overall goal of putting us all in a place where communism can more easily be won, and that involves having the european and american continents weak and unable to compete on the global market. That's the only thing that matters. I hope every frenchman and woman gets obese from Brazilian steak honestly
>>2658500>free market doctrine was only listened to when the market was favorable to european industrywell duh, we're not running charities here
>>2658506those artificial products are all slop unfit for consumption btw
>>2658511Man you're such a retard, they use that land to make pesticide with soy and feed cows that are in even worse conditions because, shocker, there is less regulations than in the EU, damn cows not happily roaming in fields because the good savages of brazil respect the animals. You're also a fucking idiot for thinking developing extractive and cash crop industries in the south is somehow good development, functionally the same as a sneering western imperialist.
>>2658549Artificial meat never even got to the shelfs, anon
>>2658511>You think european cattle held indoors 3-5 months of the year is preferable to Brazilian cattle outdoors eating grass year-round?we're not capable of stopping brazilian farmers from using all sorts of bovaers so yeah it's a matter of security
>>2658563i've seen plenty of meat imitation products thanks
>>2658573why russia not birma, turkmenistan or sri lanka?
>>2658552Imports from Mercosur must legally meet European standards passing inspection tests, and with Europe only importing a 1% quota this process is quite simple. Good to see euro 'communists' here parroting the exact same argument their imperialist porky overlords are making. Euros might actually be the biggest crybabies on earth
>>2658575Artificial meat =/= Plant protein in meat shape
>>2658511If you want LATAM to devellop why do you want them to support their farming industry and become reliant on Europe for every other industry ? Why do you want the bolosonarist farmers to gain even more influence in the country ? Do you think they burn the amazone down for grazing land or something ? Brazilian cattle is also generally raised indoors, they burn the forest to raise more soy to feed the cattle. Also why do you, in one sentence, sya that you want LATAM to devellop and then in another one say that their continent should be weak ? Are you retarded ?
Again, why should the European or LATAM proletariat be in favor of a deal that fucks over them and benefits a handfull of German industrialists and Brazilian farmers.
Delusioned yuropoliticians are thinking they'll get something in return when Greenland inevitably becomes annexed to the US
Some of them think that after a democrat becomes elected the US problem will go away
Many people still think like this.
>>2658595wake me up when it actually happens
>>2658584>If you want LATAM to devellop why do you want them to support their farming industry and become reliant on Europe for every other industry ?it would be preferable if imperialist europe is a slave to latam agricultural products the same way the united states is a slave to chinese industrial products. These conditions are more favorable for socialist revolution in both groups of countries and indeed the world
>Also why do you, in one sentence, sya that you want LATAM to devellop and then in another one say that their continent should be weak ? Are you retarded ?read my post again, it clearly says 'america' as in the united states, not 'latin america'. You don't actually think north america is in mercosur do you? xDDD
>Again, why should the European or LATAM proletariat be in favor of a deal that fucks over them and benefits a handfull of German industrialists and Brazilian farmersit would be preferable if imperialist europe is a slave to latam agricultural products the same way the united states is a slave to chinese industrial products. These conditions are more favorable for socialist revolution in both groups of countries and indeed the world
>>2658580>inspection teststhis is about not having as many rules to follow during production, for example using pesticides that are illegal to use in the EU (despite being produced there funnily enough), because they are harmful to humans and nature. An end result inspection is functionally useless.
so no, inspection is fucking useless and it still fuck EU farmers competitivity
in short you're an uninformed moron
>>2658511>more disguised Chauvinism. >I honestly don't give a fuck how it effects the individual european worker,>I hope every frenchman and woman gets obese from Brazilian steak honestlylol
>>2658506just because the average farmer is a reactionary fuck with petty bourgeois mentality entirely supported by subsides doesnt mean everything they oppose is good.
personally im of the opinion that as they are paid for by public money already, there is 0 reason to not have the state seize everything and simply pay salaries for the production of high quality food consumed domestically, but that project is also in direct opposition with mercosur
>>2658623How is having Latin american industry relient on european industry any good ? Litterally the only industry in Latin America that benefits from this is agricultural, and the farmers are particularly reactionnaries there, this deal supports the Bolsonarists who are obviously not socialists, it also strenghtens German industrialists. I once again, don't see how this is worth destroying the amazonas and definitly worsening the conditions for both the entire region but also the world as a whole due to how vital this forest is.
You said "european and american continents" Latin America is obviously on the american continent.
>>2658639>it still fuck EU farmers competitivityexplain why you would want European farmers to be competitive on the global market? is it normal for euro socialists to go on cheerleading the bourgeois who exploit them?
>>2655168Sweden is the principal contradiction confirmed.
>>2658328Free trade is necessary to sharpening the contradictions.
>>2655069I mean I get what you mean but Nazi Germany very much was a thing. German occupation was not good.
Funny that /europol/ is so chauvinist when they are American vassals. The european is so arrogant that they refuse to acknowledge the yankee baseball bat tearing their anus.
>>2658650Latam is already reliant on industry from imperialist nations fool. It would be straight up beneficial for latam proles to get new technology to grow their own domestic industrial production and break their reliance on exploiters abroad. You say Free trade bad, but communist China now has a firm grip on the global economy through free trade. Let your farmers die or experience another 30 years of stagnation I don't care. Meanwhile the rest of the world will embrace positive change through hardship
>You said "european and american continents" Latin America is obviously on the american continent.this may be a regional thing, schools in the USA teach 7 continents
Europe is really screwed, this deal would be much more beneficial for them. It reads like an unequal treaty, it doesn't actually open the EU agricultural market and freezes Mercosur's already poor industrial capacities.
>>2658580The problem is that Latam agriculture porkies wholesale their products internationally due to ridiculously low wages there. That's bad for the wages within the agricultural sector over here as our farmers will either keep importing cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe or effectively stagnate and/or lower our wages using different means while they keep raising prices for their products which keeps fueling inflation.
Under capitalism "free trade" agreements are ALWAYS bad news for everyone but a couple haute bourgeois e.g. supermarket chain billionaires and such and stock msrket gamblers. Latam workers will not improve their situation, don't get their wages raised, because it's cheap labour and sheer mass that keeps prices low and demand for exports up. Now there's nothing wrong with importing products that just can't be produced here e.g. tropical fruits from Latam or Africa, however it doesn't make sense to basically outsource nutrient production entirely and import everything risking death of our own domestic agricultural sector and putting many lower class jobs at risk.
Also, i find the notion that some business agreement between a bunch of billionaires from different continents might somehow be more or less beneficial for socialism rather absurd.
>>2658338Fucking lmao, OK Mr neoliberal
>>2659215How does this happen? Why would you do this to yourself?
>>2658463>Marx considered manifest destiny historically progressivYeah and that was really fucking stupid.
The whole "historic progressive" schtick is easily one of the dumbest, infantile Marxist positions.
So the details of the plan are out. What do you guys think?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/01/21/revealed-trumps-greenland-deal/US to control parts of Greenland under Trump deal
>Plan will designate areas as sovereign bases, allowing America to perform military operations and intelligence
>The United States will control parts of Greenland by designating them as sovereign base areas under the terms of a proposed deal agreed in Davos.
>Under the deal, which mimics Britain’s agreement with Cyprus, American bases on the Arctic island would be considered US territory, The Telegraph understands.
>It would allow the US to perform military operations, intelligence and training, while also facilitating some local development, potentially including rare earth mining.
>The framework was agreed between Donald Trump and Mark Rutte, the Nato secretary-general on Wednesday evening, and will ease Danish fears that the US is preparing to annex the semi-autonomous region.
>The announcement came only hours after Mr Trump had demanded the immediate right to buy Greenland from Denmark during a meandering two-hour speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Well-placed sources told The Telegraph that the proposed deal stopped short of the sale of Greenland to the US.
>Mr Trump declined in a series of interviews to explain the terms of the deal but admitted the issue of ownership was a “little complex”.
>The US president also dropped his threat of punitive 10 per cent trade tariffs on the UK and other European countries who had refused to support his plan to annex Greenland.
>Mr Trump said he had agreed upon a “future framework” for Greenland and the “entire Arctic region” during a “very productive meeting” with Mr Rutte.
>Confirming the plan, a diplomatic source told The Telegraph: “The idea was to give Trump a deal.”
>The Cyprus-UK style plan is seen as a creative work-around to Mr Trump’s demands for ownership of the island, which he views as being strategically important to America’s defence.
>The terms of the UK’s agreement with Cyprus grants Britain sovereignty over two military bases for strategic purposes while allowing Cypriots within the areas rights similar to elsewhere in the Republic.
>The US is already permitted to build and operate military bases in Greenland while having unrestricted “freedom of operation” between designated defence areas, including air, land, and sea.
>In theory, the proposed new framework would allow the US to control parts of Greenland and potentially expand to mineral-rich areas which are coveted by Mr Trump.
>It also means that the US would not have to seek permits, such as planning permission.
>The proposal would also make it easier for the US to position assets belonging to its prospective Golden Dome there.
>Sources told The Telegraph that during their meeting with Mr Trump, Nato negotiators criticised Emmanuel Macron, the French president, and his “bazooka” language, in order to curry favour with the mercurial president.
>Mr Macron is among those most fiercely opposed to Mr Trump’s Greenland takeover threats and has argued for the use of the EU’s “bazooka” – blocking US companies from the continent’s internal market.
>Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, the president said: “It’s a deal that people jumped at, really fantastic for the USA, gets everything we wanted, including especially real national security and international security.”
>Mr Rutte said he had not discussed the key issue of Danish sovereignty over Greenland in his meeting with the US president.
>“He’s very much focused on what do we need to do to make sure that that huge Arctic region, where change is taking place at the moment, where the Chinese and Russians are more and more active, how we can protect that,” he said in a televised interview with Fox News on Wednesday night.
>Denmark, which is not thought to have been involved in the discussions so far, declined to give its approval. But on Wednesday, Lars Lokke Rasmussen, the Danish foreign minister, said that he welcomed Mr Trump’s decision to withdraw the threat of tariffs.
>Nato’s military leaders arrived in Davos this week with the aim to take the political heat of the rift between Europe and Washington.
>On Wednesday, Gen Alexus Grynkewich, Nato’s supreme allied commander in Europe, briefed his alliance counterparts on the threat assessment around Greenland and the wider Arctic.
>At a meeting in Brussels, he told his fellow generals there had not been a step change in the threat posed by Russia and China in the High North.
>But Gen Grynkewich did highlight gaps in the surveillance and detection of ballistic missiles as a particular concern.
>A Nato spokesman said: “The secretary-general had a very productive meeting with President Trump during which they discussed the critical significance of security in the Arctic region to all allies, including the United States.
>“Discussions among Nato allies on the framework the president referenced will focus on ensuring Arctic security through the collective efforts of allies, especially the seven Arctic allies. Negotiations between Denmark, Greenland, and the United States will go forward aimed at ensuring that Russia and China never gain a foothold – economically or militarily – in Greenland.”
>European Union leaders will still proceed with an emergency summit on Thursday, which was called to coordinate a response to the president’s threats over the Arctic island.
>But The Telegraph understands that Nato’s chiefs of defence staff in Europe had put plans for a military mission to Greenland on the back burner to allow for political tensions to subside.
>While some allies had pushed for an immediate deployment to the region, military chiefs decided that a mission would risk political escalation.
>Meanwhile, Wall Street stocks rose sharply after Mr Trump reversed course on the threat of a trade war, recovering from steep declines earlier in the week.>unrestricted “freedom of operation” between designated defence areas, including air, land, and sea
That's a full bridgehead for an aggressor that is very open about it's plans to eventually overtake and annex Greenland, including using military means.
>put plans for a military mission to Greenland on the back burner to allow for political tensions to subside.
>While some allies had pushed for an immediate deployment to the region, military chiefs decided that a mission would risk political escalation.
Cuck cuck cuck, as expected.
>>2659215>>2659262You don't understand. president Stubb's mind it vast and his wisdom too subtle for some peyon reporter. When he says Europe can defend itself without the americans, he doesn't actually mean that Europe can defend itself without the Americans. He expertly shuns the reporter with a slight hand movement, a smile and a sarcastic comment and shuts her down for being so foolish by even suggesting that there is a contradiction in his words.
>>2659299first lib who understood you need commies as your main political opposition in order to force the pigs to let you do state capitalism
>>2659215I still can't believe people actually voted for this guy, not like Haavisto was any better but did they really forget that quickly how awful he was in the Sipilä government. Now he's trying to pretend to be some grey eminence and our media is kissing his ass for it.
>>2659396>I still can't believe people actually voted for this guy, not like Haavisto was any betterStubb literally only won because he opponent was a literal faggot. (no offense, but fuck him too)
>>2659398Yeah true, but I also think it shows a greater problem of how absolutely cucked the finnish people are that they're wiling to vote for Orpo and then later this guy because the media tricks them into thinking we simply MUST do austerity and every smug self assured liberal falls for it because they fancy themselves to be a reasonable incrementalist who listens to "the expert" economists or we'll become the next greece. I guess I'm just saying I will never stop being amazed that people actually vote for Kokoomus.
>>2659396>>2659398I just watched:
>>2659378He seemed alright. He said some real stuff and smart stuff. I guess he's hawking his book and his theory on "Values based realism." Seemed like it was nothing new really, and just a way to openly be like "well I can't actually follow my values in words or actions, because sometimes you have to be a realist man!" I guess like it seems like just an elaborate excuse for pragmatism and acting like it's a new invention, but he kinda said some stuff. But as he said "there are things I can't say in public because of diplomacy" or whatever. Still he was pretty interesting to listen to and he is kinda charming. Seems like an okish guy.
>>2659406 me
>>2659404Also add I know nothing about him or the Finnish domestic politics or anything. The way he laid it out:
>In Finland, the president handles foreign policy, and the prime minister handles EU policy.Which I would've assumed includes domestic? He seemed to present that he only handles foreign policy.
>>2659406>Values based realism.He wants to have his cake and eat it too by trying to pretend we can keep some moral superiority as an "enlightened" nordic country but also that we have to align with the bloodthirsty american and israeli foreign policy. It's cope to try and pretend that facade of the "rules based" international order still exists.
>>2659407Well the finnish constitution states that the president leads foreign pollicy in conjuction with the state council (government), it's unclear wording that leads to a bit of a tug of war between the two institutions but in general the president is in charge as long as he doesn't start going off the rails.
As for why I don't like him it's beacuse he's a memebr of the neolib party and was part of the first attempt to impose auterity in finland as part of the sipilä goverment (before he was also the prime minister of his own rump government after the previous pm jumped ship and abandoned finland to become an eu official) before the absolute nightmare that our current goverment is. After the sipilä goverment he ran off to italy to be a professor and then returned only when offered the presidential candidacy by his party and as the other finn anon said won cause the other candidate was a gay guy.
>>2659236>The problem is that Latam agriculture porkies wholesale their products internationally due to ridiculously low wages there. not a problem at all unless you own a farm
>That's bad for the wages within the agricultural sector over here as our farmers will either keep importing cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe or effectively stagnate and/or lower our wages using different means while they keep raising prices for their products which keeps fueling inflation.What would happen is capitalism finally runs its course and gets rid of the European agricultural sector entirely as these jobs would not exist without subsidies. That's a good and positive development. Maybe proles in Europe will finally have a revolution when all the jobs inevitably get taken away. The endpoint of capitalism was ALWAYS the jobs all getting innovated away, europes stupid protectionism measures are only delaying the inevitable. Why on earth would anyone want European stable? Let Latam porky run the imperialists out of business so their proles can actually stand up and do something 🤣🤣🤣
>>2659261uh oh someone needs to brush up on theory
Engels:
>Protection is at best an endless screw, and you never know when you have done with it. By protecting one industry, you directly or indirectly hurt all others, and have therefore to protect them too. By so doing you again damage the industry that you first protected, and have to compensate it; but this compensation reacts, as before, on all other trades, and entitles them to redress, and so on ad infinitum.
>Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.Free trade is inevitable for Europe if it wants to be competitive on the global market
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/ euro 'leftists' are shocked that the neoliberal eu is taking neoliberal measures
>>2659483>free trade in 1888 is the same as free trade todayyou aware that little things like capital controls still existed in that old "free trade", and the modern globalization was still very far away right? you also noticed all the industrial powerhouse states built up afterwards used protectionism to build it up Im sure?
>>2659467>gets rid of the European agricultural sector entirely. That's a good and positive development. Im sure both the europeans loosing food security and the other countries relying on cheap agricultural imports will be very happy about this development. One of the biggest tool of imperialism and neocolonialism is food needing to be imported.
But why would workers want food security anyway? anything that hurt workers is good because it makes a theoretical revolution (that you're not anywhere near building) closer.
>jobs all getting innovated away90% of farmer jobs have already been "innovated away", this is about concentrating agro industry towards more environmentally harmful, more centralized in a globalized world, less healthy and more profitable prospects.
>>2659518>you aware that little things like capital controls still existed in that old "free trade"incorrect, pre-1914 Germany had no capital controls and was a major capital exporter
>you also noticed all the industrial powerhouse states built up afterwards used protectionism to build it up Im sure?communist China has free trade and it went from poorer than sub-sahara africa in the 90's to controlling the global economy in less than 30 years
>One of the biggest tool of imperialism and neocolonialism is food needing to be imported. You have it backwards. European neo-colonialism involves exporting european grain to countries like Africa in exchange for cash crops that can't be grown in europe. Africa can grow both, it doesn't need european grain, it would be beneficial for the world if the euros stopped exporting agricultural products that everyone grows cheaper automatically
>But why would workers want food security anyway? anything that hurt workers is good because it makes a theoretical revolution (that you're not anywhere near building) closer.show me a revolution that involves fat, happy and secure proletarians OK with the status quo. i can wait
>this is about concentrating agro industry towards more environmentally harmful, more centralized in a globalized world, less healthy and more profitable prospectsno this is about saving unproductive industry in a part of the world where it shouldn't exist. Try reading Lenin to understand why centralization is good
>but we'll get less healthy!!!!>but latam porky will make money from us!!!!!!>but cows and sugar beets from foreign lands are not grown ethically!!!! we are an ethical peoples!!!!!euros have been forcing their products on the rest of the world for centuries but the moment it happens to them they start crying and shaking. What a coincidence that these are the SAME ARGUMENTS european porky make when he has to compete with foreigners. Thems the breaks.
>>2659529>communist China has free tradenta but no? Communist china for example blocked or restrained certain internet and tech companies from competiting in china (great firewall).
While on one hand this was for national security purposes in the other hand this pretty much helped chinese tech companies.
>>2659537America has 14 active free trade agreements, China has 23, almost double
>>2659542that doesnt change the fact selective trade protectonism works? Nations can choose a mixture of protectonism and free trade. It depends on the industry, the time, and the context. China for example as I pointed in my example did engage in free trade but still used protectonism in certain key strategic industries.
>>2659537yup solar panels and car battery were also so heavily subsidised nobody on the planet can compete with them in that domain
>>2659544if you wanna be needlessly pedantic about it than sure, every nation can benefit from both free trade and protectionism depending on their long term goals. I'm not saying protectionism is bad in every scenario, the point of the argument was to do away with the notion that the agribusiness industry in europe is worth saving. There's no point in protecting it since it can't even compete at a global price point with top tier tech, subsidies and trade protection all contributing
>>2659550>point of the argument was to do away with the notion that the agribusiness industry in europe is worth saving. There's no point in protecting it since it can't even compete at a global price point with top tier tech, subsidies and trade protection all contributingwhich is why I specified im not that anon. i wasnt arguing with you on this. I was just disagreeing with the whole china became rich with free trade idea. China also used protectonism to develop key industries.
>>2659549true
>>2659553China would not be as rich as it was today without free-trade and open markets, that's just a fact. Dengs reforms are what gave them control over the global economy (see the threats they made about export controls on rare earths). nobody in their right mind would say China got rich from the Great Firewall lmao, but it certainly helped
>>2659558>China would not be as rich as it was today without free-trade and open marketsBut china also became rich because their infant industry protectonism made strategetic industries competitive in those same open markets. Opening up markets can lead to wealth i agree but becoming competitive in those markets through the use of protectonism (to build up infant industries) helps a lot too
>it certainly helpedyes. Both protectonism and free trade work together to make china rich. They work hand to hand
>>2659558>>2659553>>2659550>>2659549the PRC, just like 19th and 20th Century Britain, used a combination of Free Trade and Protectionism in a way which benefits them.
When Britain could flood the colonies with their cheaper goods, they extolled Free Trade. When German Industry was in a position to do the same to Britain, Britain then engaged in full protectionism with the home country.
Wield both the long and short sword as the situation demands, and you will win. Be a vassal like Europe and Japan, and you will lose.
>>2659529> What a coincidence that these are the SAME ARGUMENTS european porky make You are arguing the EXACT SAME arguments EU, Latam and other haute bourgeois make for fucking with worker's conditions this entire thread, what's more you are arguing FOR worsening the living living standard of workers in general. You're either a neolib troll, bourgeois shill or a massive retard. In any case i recommend you shoot yourself in the foot so you can run faster towards socialism or even better, go ahead and kill yourself.
>>2659587>what's more you are arguing FOR worsening the living living standard of workers in generalwhat part of turning the inevitable "imperialist war" into a "civil war" don't you understand? It's never going to get better until things get worse
>>2659529>pre-1914 Germany had no capital controls wrong, they had capital control. Not as much as afterward, but it still existed. And it also had tariffs anyway, so it certainly wasnt free trade in the modern sense
>communist China has free trade lmao no it absolutely hasnt, one of the most common accusation against china for the last 20 years was that they werent playing the fair free trade game with all their rules and controls
they also became the industrial powerhouse of the world, but thats not "controlling the global economy", the west still have the upper hand on that front
>European neo-colonialism involves exporting european grain to countries like Africa in exchange for cash crops that can't be grown in europe. well yes, thats exactly what I just said. And another reason why free trade is bad.
>Africa can grow bothyes, Im sure egypt or saudi arabia can easily grow enough to feed their population. Oh shit no they cant even if they wanted.
But anyway thats just missing the point : is africa in a political position to stop cash crops and feed itself instead? no. If euro stopped exporting, would these countries feed themselves? no, other exporters would replace it, because the problem is precisely that neocolonialism rely on imposing free trade to destroy local agro markets and replace them with export oriented cash crops, to the detriment of the state stability and independence.
>everyone grows cheaper automaticallywhat? the reason it destroy local markets is because the massively and subsidized industrialized agroproduction imports cant be competed by local farmers who have to turn to cash crops instead
> i can waitso you conclude that bad things are actually good because people need to be discontent for change. So I guess you support the worst neolib policies possible because who knows if the discontent it creates might lead to a revolution one day?
thats so ridiculously childish and out of touch with reality and real struggle, embarrassing really. I knew already you were a retard, but that here is worse than simple stupidity.
>saving unproductive industry you think euro farmers are "unproductive" because they respect bare minimum environmental regulation? another banger from mister "things must be as bad as possible"
>why centralization is goodAnd you keep championing neo colonialism, because one day the global world gov will just seize everything (you just know it, given how bad things are going to be thanks to your work), so no matters what happens before! And no matters its just a profit optimization thing and that in a communist society that prioritize high quality food rather than high quantity exports, we should do a lot more of local food production rather than keeping up the centralization
>the moment it happens to them they start crying and shakingdamn, how surprising, its just like people like to invade but dont like getting invaded, who would have thought?
>>2659666>damn, how surprising, its just like people like to invade but dont like getting invaded, who would have thought?Lenin was a revolutionary defeatist. Crybaby euros are frightened of their inability to compete in their own market. Just be honest and admit you'd rather have your domestic bourgeois and imperialist industry be strong, rather than weak. You are bribed by the welfare state after all.
>>2659563>Behave, or else!<Or else what? >Or else I may do a symbolic act with no consequences Is there a single person in the world that respect the EU?
>>2658309>Farmers protest against laws that will make them brokeYeah? And this is bad?
>>2659694They should go broke, be bought out and consolidated into bigger more effective farms tho
>>2659740They did something like that in France a few decade ago. Administrators who used only old and innacurate maps decided to just take the land of the peasans and to give it to the most complying farmers so they could modernize.
It was not a very popular moment.
>>2659870
And some anons here got really upset when you pointed out that Rodriguez and co had clearly sold out Maduro and stuck a deal with the Burgerreich…
>>2659558Being "rich" has nothing to do with having le skyscrapers and producing a lot of commodities, the USSR also took this position and it fucked them over in the long run.
>all this vegan shilling in the labor aristocrat general #2
Not surprised.
>>2660604Get lost /pol/. Back when the SPD was still the party of revolutionary communists rather than a cesspool of porky dick riding bourgeois liberals it was by far the strongest political force in Germany that both bourgeoisie and aristocracy feared. Thanks to massive popular support in the late 19th and early 20th century there was a constant threat of an actual successful revolution taking place which would sweep both the monarchy and the bourgeoisie away. That's why Bismarck agreed to the demands of the worker's movement and introduced the welfare state (actually a worldwide novum) in the early 1880s here. Communists and Socialists forced him to do it and he did it to calm unrest and avoid an immediate revolution, not because he really cared about the working class. Bismarck was as reactionary as it can get but he was not stupid and willing to compromise. Same goes for Wilhelm II. That being said, in hindsight the Prussian monarchy and also the monarchy in my region were less cancerous and hostile to working class interests than the bourgeoisie/liberals as they would occassionaly side with the working class against the worst bourgeois. Bourgeois liberals, bourgeois conservatives, succdems/neolibs and fascists never did and never will because they all just want to become haute bourgeoisie themselves.
>>2660608> I am too much of a spineless,comfortable hack to admit that cattle industries are an existential problem so i will just project and use this term which i do not understand but sounds smart (while eating burgers)Kys
>>2659681>admit you'd rather have your domestic bourgeois and imperialist industry be strong, rather than weakwell yes, we need industry to collectivize, thats kinda the whole point of the communist project
you're really a stupid fucker
>>2662129>we need (imperialist) industry to collectivize (at the expense of industry in the periphery)fixed that for you
>>2662171Why are you retards like this
>>2662076is it the cattle industry as much as it is industry in the first place? Soybean and cane plantations are as harmful environmentally as the cattle industry. Many reason for this: Subjecthood for humans means that everything around us are objectified, and the collapse of the ritual order means that the only avenue for states to gain legitimacy is by providing as much cheap goods as possible. Noone is seriously attempting degrowth
>>2662194Guess what? Soybeans are in no small part used to feed the cattle.
>>2662194 >>2662171>(imperialist) industryimagine being such a moron you unironically spout shit like that
>>2664845is there even such a thing?
>>2664845multiple ones even but they're all but thinly veiled political platforms for diasporas
Does anyone have information about farmers so I can shit on these fuckers infornatedly?
Long live mercosur and blackcock
>>2670410Large argo industry organizations:
Key Organizations: Copa-Cogeca (EU-wide umbrella), FNSEA (France), DBV (Germany), ASAJA (Spain).
Primary Incentive (The "Why"): Market Protection & Profit.
The Nationalists Organizations:
Coordination Rurale (CR) (France), Farmers Defence Force (Netherlands), Solidarity (Poland).
Primary Incentive (The "Why"): Sovereignty. These groups farmers who view the EU as a globalist threat to their existence.
The Left Organizations:
European Coordination Via Campesina (ECVC), Confédération Paysanne (France), FUGEA (Belgium), ABL (Germany).
Primary Incentive (The "Why"): System Change. They oppose the industrial globalization model of agriculture entirely.
>>2664845Social Democrats, Leftist United Front Party, 3 Communist Parties
>>2670422Thanks you much, I will look into some of them
Do you know any statistic about them being welfare queens and less effient than blackrocks farms?
>>2670429The protesting farmers are effectively "welfare queens" but the system is designed that way by the EU to maintain food security.
61.5% of the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) budget (€189 billion) is allocated to "Direct Income Support."
The dependency is most extreme in the beef sector. In countries like France and Ireland, subsidies often constitute 100% of net income.
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Highly mechanized operations allow one person with a GPS-guided tractor to manage 500+ hectares. The peasant model has high labor input per hectare. The Corporate model wins. Economies of scale allow them to negotiate lower costs for inputs like fertilizer and seed.
>>2670429there are no 'blackrock farms' in europe because it's generally illegal for farms to collectivize, for example in France farms have to be below a certain size to operate. that means europes inefficiency with agriculture is baked into law
>>2653642The US vs every other NATO power was not on my bingo card a couple of years ago
The next war will be US-Israel axis of evil vs EU, Russia, China allied powers
>>2670478It should still not be on your bingo, it isn't going to happen. Our bourgeois are dogs and when they democrats return, a more "sensate" republican leader or our countries get AfD, La Pene, VOX, more Meloni they will be proud of never turning to China and saying it is all good
>>2670478all this talk of the us-eu alliance falling apart is massive cope. every single eurocuck and us satellite had been so far firm in their commitment to nato, they've simply been framing their continued policy of austerity and militarism in nationalist terms. there's no tension or real action - in fact, they are deepening their military ties to the united states
>>2670483>it isn't going to happendon't be so certain. if the lib establishment is unwilling or unable to act in its own interests the european people will eventually find someone who will lol
>>2670492i wish i could be as optimistic as kautsky. all of this means that social democracy (in part his and the second internationale's legacy) is going to be torn apart completely for the sake of maintaining imperialism and profit rates
>>2670487Except NATO is bound to protect Greenland from any kind of military incursion
>>2670498My point is that to believe an inter-imperialist alliance can exist indefinitely is just Kautsky's theory of superimperialism. Calling this split between Europe and America fake is demanding that we ignore not just the reality of imperialism (inter-imperialist competition and redivision of the world) but also basic Marxist principles. It requires us to believe that the European ruling class will for no reason stick to an alliance that now works against their most elementary economic and geopolitical interests, despite there being nothing compelling them to stay.
>>2670521What reprisals? What can the Americans possibly do to them without also hurting themselves equally? Between the UK and France Europe as a nuclear arsenal comparable to China's, and economically the EU is roughly the size of the US itself. The only area where the balance of power is really one sided is in conventional military might, but nukes render that of limited significance.
>>2670494>european people will eventually find someone who will lolIdk if I want this, it will probably be fascists
>>2670511the alliance with america is still beneficial to the european bourgeoisie. they may be able to renegotiate trade, but spending more on the military and destroying social democracy is something they've tried to do for decades meeting stiff resistance from europeans. now they are able to portray this as a necessity for sovereignty because big bad orange man larped about stealing greenland from its rightful colonizers
>>2670530It's not a larp dude.
Nuuk will get the same treatment as Caracas. Nielsen will get the same treatment as Maduro.
>>2670530>now they are able to portray this as a necessity for sovereignty because big bad orange man larped about stealing greenland from its rightful colonizersAll available information about the Greenland debacle indicates that it wasn't at all a LARP and that it was completely serious.
>>2670511>It requires us to believe that the European ruling class will for no reason stick to an alliance that now works against their most elementary economic and geopolitical interestsAll big western countries signed Plaza records and killed their own economic growth. What western bourgeois gain is the support of the global center of reaction in their ongoing struggle against their own people and as such their very existence. That why Russia and Iran are so cucked too. Any bourgeois state always keeps in mind that they could need the support in the future like Yeltsin did.
>>2670596>What western bourgeois gain is the support of the global center of reaction in their ongoing struggle against their own people and as such their very existenceThat's not a gain, they've never needed the US for this except maybe during the early days of the cold war when socialism had real support among many Europeans. There is no serious left in Europe, so there would be no point in endangering their own security in exchange for protection from a threat that doesn't exist.
>>2670576Yeah I agree it was not a larp, trump just actually met real discipline from haute bourgeoisie like you said. A hard limit to US state power. International trade must flow, all systems have adapted to this paradigm, and now we as a species depend on it for subsistence.
>>2670614Yeah, I have no doubt that the security and foreign policy establishment in the US as well as Europe watched that whole fiasco with horror and their intervention is the most likely explanation for Trump backing down. The question still remains though whether the Europeans view this as a bridge too far, and that the Americans are now permanently untrustworthy. Keep in mind though that this may not appear so clear cut even if the Euros do feel that way. As anti-campists are quick to point out, even the bitterest of enemies like Iran and the US will occasionally cooperate if they feel that it is in there interest to do so. Even Europe for all its bluster about Russia is still buying their oil through third parties. So even if the split is real, we may continue to see some cooperation between Europe and the US.
>>2670639My question is HOW did they discipline the administration? What was the specific vulnerability(s) they leveraged? Was it just "listen, this won't work, you'll make no money" and it came from people he knew were powerful enough to convince him? Was it financial leverage? Or was there a threat to push the Epstein shit through the media and press the European "manufacture consent" button to crush his political viability? Because as we've seen, the power of social media is immense if coordinated in full.
But either way, we have no idea what kind of discussion (clearly) took place on that plane when he was "switching" and therefore late to the WEF speech
>>2670731Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the Pentagon brass simply told him that they would refuse any order to invade Greenland.
>>2670742
Tbf there have been other predicted breaks in the imperialist camp that never came to fruition. A lit of people in the 80s predicted that Japan would emerge again as an independent power and challenge the US for dominance in East Asia.
>>2670740>invade GreenlandThat phrase just sounds so funny. Dogsledding an ice sheet.
>>2670778Greenland is the only country that the US paper tiger military can actually win against.
European Arms Production Overtaking the U.S.
<Significant increases in European defense spending are rapidly strengthening the continent's arms industry.
<Although production remains more fragmented than in the United States, experts estimate that Europe is moving quickly toward operational self-sufficiency.
<Europe already outpaces the U.S. in the production speed and volume of several key assets, including artillery shells, main battle tanks, and naval vessels. For instance, Germany's Rheinmetall is expected to soon produce 1.5 million artillery shells annually, exceeding the total production capacity of the entire U.S. defense industry.
<Furthermore, giants like Italy's Leonardo and missile manufacturer MBDA have multiplied their staff and output since 2022.
<Investor interest in the sector has surged, with European nations spending over €470 billion on defense last year. By 2035, European equipment procurement is projected to reach 80% of U.S. levels.
<Significant hurdles remain, however: Europe remains dependent on the U.S. and Israel for stealth aircraft, long-range drones, satellite capabilities, and missile defense.
<Matthew Savill, a researcher at the RUSI think tank, notes that while Europe is capable of arming itself, production volumes and quality still require further development.https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/europes-1-trillion-race-to-build-back-its-defense-industry-db8ca1d6 >warsaw pacts invades itself for decades and does not dissolve
>nato can't even invade itself once without starting to dissolve
stalinists stay winning
>>2670949If Europe become self sufficient in defense then its ogre for the transatlantic alliance. The only thing that might keep the Europeans in line despite US aggression against them is military dependence on America, specifically in relation to Russia. If that dependence disappears then they truly have zero reason to stick around.
>>2670639if by cooperation you mean the US comes for like the tenth time to say "you should nationalize this chinese company/drop the deal you made with another country and we will give you more " etc then never actually fulfill their end of the deal,I agree
>>2671208No I mean in the sense of still occasionally seeing diplomatic alignment, trade, or even some military cooperation. People tend to think of international relations in absolute terms, as if two states being enemies means they are antagonistic on all issues and in all situations. However this simply isn't the case, and whether two states are "allies" or "enemies" is simply a rough description of how frequently their interests align or conflict. E.g. just because Iran cheered when the US invaded Iraq and toppled their enemy Saddam doesn't erase all the other issues they were in conflict over, which were the vast majority of them.
>>2671000what's the matter?
>>2671204The most key aspect in defence is still nuclear weapons not conventional weaponry used in proxy wars. EU lacks these capabilities outside of France.
>>2672004Liberal googoo gaga
"Tyrannical regimes"
"Justify"
Philosophers think too highly of themselves
Hello sartre this is brezhnev. Permission to repress the innocent sir?
>>2677238Yay! I love nukies!!!
>>2677238But when Korea did it…
>>2673756Based
>>2677238Expecting Iran and DPRK level sanctions, surely they will happen
Death to EU
Death to NATO
>>2677238Don't worry guys, the transatlantic alliance is still strong, Europe will never attempt strategic independence from the US, nothing ever happens. Look elsewhere.
>>2678596You are a fascist.
>>2678602sorry porky but its true, capitalisms failure is inevitable
>>2679063"from Russia" could mean "from Russian oligarchs" and not that it is Putin and the Russian government doing it. westoids think Russians are a monolith and everything that comes "from Russia" does so at Putin's orders/approval. there's no variation in thought and opinion among 140 million people!
>>2684884Every Russian is obviously a clone of Putin just as every Pissraeli is a clone of Epstein and every American is a clone of trump
>>2671204>If Europe become self sufficient in defense Europe is not a monolith, the idea they will somehow work together on military shit is laughable, France will be annexing Belgium in a decade and Germany will invade Poland again or some shit.
If the EU accomplished anything it is showing that Europe is incapable of cooperation
>>2684884events in ukraine has written extensively about the pro-western nationalist/monarchists faction
>Malofeev represents a devious fifth column in the Russian elite who wish to transform the country into a pro-western monarchy under the cover of ultranationalist super-patriotism. But with the end result of a geopolitically docile white Saudi Arabia, if you will. Or maybe, more accurately, a white Pakistan.>Unable to challenge Putin directly - or whatever Kremlin tower ‘Putin’ represents -, their chosen political technology is Malofeev: mystical monarchist ultranationalism in theory, enswampment in debilitating wars in practice. Pulling Russia into wars it cannot win, with the end goal of humiliating Putin and making it possible to perform a coup d’etat with the right people, such as Prigozhin. Euromaidan with Russian characteristics, as one Donetsk analyst I will cite puts it.>But the Malofeev network certainly seems to hint at the formation of a Global North alliance. In bed from the start of his business career with a dark alliance of American private equity firms, Fox News commentators and anglosaxon Christian identitarians, Malofeev is uniquely positioned to accomplish his oft-stated goal of totally destroying all remnants of the Soviet project in Russia, both in socio-economic and geopolitical terms.>In short, some in Russia believe that under the mask of ultra-patriotic anti-western militarist rhetoric, Malofeev and co are actually set on destabilizing Russia as a coherent strategic enemy to NATO, with the ultimate goal of setting up a pro-western puppet monarchy.https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-malofeev-multiversehttps://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-swastika-and-the-cross-malofeevthey are also linked to people like Jackson Hinkle, and some of the alt-media youtubers and retired ex-CIA analysts that became popular after 2022.
>>2655138Best sponsors for the EU ever
>>2655065You really underestimate how terminally yank our bourg class is. Rallying for.nationalism here is sure way to end up in fascist groups (which often are a foreign puppet anyway)
See Rizzo
https://www.lordinenuovo.it/2022/07/27/la-strategia-reazionaria-di-marco-rizzo-il-chiaroscuro-in-cui-nascono-i-mostri/Tbh I would be surprised if the present EU ends up as precursor to a future state like the Cisalpine Repubblic or the Rinhe Confederation
>>2658309May the Rothschild rape those fuckers.
Surviving off state subsidies while using slave labour and jacking up prices.
>>2658491At the bare minimum we need to wipe out the small fries and force them to actually fuckimg industralize instead of relying on slave and underpaid labour
https://ilcaffe.tv/articolo/223872/latina-braccianti-agricoli-costretti-al-saluto-fascista-il-caso-in-parlamentoI've never seen or heard of a poor farmer
EU farmers are welfare queens.
>>2658506No.it's way more retarded than that. They banned the production of articial meat, but not the selling of it.
So you can setup a factory in slovenia, sell all of the produce in italy and make money while we get gutted
>>2658623> These conditions are more favorable for socialist revolution in both groups of countries and indeed the worldOh if only the last 50 years didn't indicate the exact opposite
Pro-EU 'leftists' are in fact Great European chauvinists. EU is the successful implementation of Hitler's Germanic-led white Europe.
>>2684946still a good opportunity to dissolve the bonds between nations though
>>2659608Just rallying for things to get worse won't bring you anything, as the last 50 years have shown
>>2684946That tells us nothing and whitewashes Hitler's regime
>>2670454Little porky trying to stifle local competition
>>2684950bonds or borders you mean?
>>2684956>whitewashes Hitler's regimethat's what EU has been doing for a long time now Moffinelli
The future belongs to Islam. You europollers are a dying breed. Convert before it is too late.
>>2684984i think islam is too reactionary
>>2684984The future is an endless proxy war between CIA groomed islamists and literally every one else, including NATO. The GWoT spans to the horizon of history, tearing through the fantasies of diminishing rates of profit.
>>2685227Yeah, and it will win because there is no 'Left'anymore. The ground is fertile for islamic retardation.
>>2685255well, maybe once manufacturing moves back to europe one day
china doesn't like islamists, so at least they exist
islam will probably die one day too, anyway
>>2687354Russia still imports more from europe than China? that doesn't sound right
>>2687445Iran too
I would assume its false, no direct source and its make with mapchart
>>2687464Why is Burkina Faso blue? And on a lesser degree of impression why is Kazakhstan and Belarus blue too?
>>2687478Belarus trades by far the most with Russia, with China as the second largest individual partner, but trades with the EU combined slightly more. Most likely due to logistics. Likely would be red if Chinese products resold by Russia counted.
Kazakhstan is weird, all the other data I'm seeing says it trades more with China. Don't know about Burkina Faso.
>>2687487Thanks.
I guess Belarus makes sense, since it is right next to Europe and very far away from China
>>2672004how? what regimes?
>>2687467What if that already happened?
US ambassador accused of interference after labelling inquiry into suspected illegal circumcisions ‘antisemitic’A diplomatic row is escalating between Belgium and the US, with Donald Trump’s ambassador refusing to apologise for accusing his host country of antisemitism and reportedly threatening to bar a socialist politician from travelling to the US.
Bill White, a staunch ally of the president like many US ambassadors, on Monday demanded Belgium drop a “ridiculous” and “antisemitic” investigation into three Jewish men suspected of performing circumcisions without medical qualifications.
In a social media post, White demanded Belgium’s “very rude” socialist health minister, Frank Vandenbroucke, stop the “unacceptable harassment” and “disgusting” treatment of the three men. He also called on Belgium to do “a much better job” on antisemitism.
Circumcision is legal in Belgium but must be carried out under strict conditions by a medical professional. The investigation concerns three mohels, or ritual circumcisers, in Antwerp suspected of performing circumcisions without any medical training.
White’s post drew an immediate rebuke from Belgium’s foreign minister, Maxime Prévot. “Any suggestion Belgium is antisemitic is false, offensive, and unacceptable,” Prévot said, accusing the ambassador of violating “fundamental diplomatic norms”.
White responded that Belgium should change its law or label the investigation into “three beautiful religiously qualified and wonderful men” antisemitic. Accusations that he was interfering in Belgium’s judicial affairs were a “political distraction”, he said.
After being summoned to the foreign ministry on Tuesday, White insisted there was “no need” for him to apologise. He had “explained our position and that of President Trump and of our country”, he said, and hoped Belgium could “legalise this process”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/18/belgium-investigation-jewish-men-diplomatic-row-us-ambassador >>2684884Putin met and praised Le Pen several times. A lot of Russian oligarchs are aligned on Putin's interests. Why are you coping so hard?
US Wants NATO to Abandon Many of Its Functions
<According to the newspaper, the United States wants to end NATO operations in Iraq and Kosovo.
<The United States wants the NATO military alliance to abandon many of its activities that are not directly related to its core mission. This is reported by Politico, based on several anonymous NATO sources.
<According to the publication, the U.S. wants NATO to cease its operations in former conflict zones outside its primary area of responsibility and focus on the defense of the Euro-Atlantic region.
<Politico reports that Washington has expressed a wish to its members that NATO end its training mission for the Iraqi armed forces by September. At the same time, the U.S. intends to withdraw its own 2,500 troops from Iraq.
<An expert on Iraqi politics told Politico that, together, these measures could destabilize Iraq and especially its Kurdish region.
<The United States also proposes that NATO terminate the UN-mandated peacekeeping operation in Kosovo, which NATO has led.
<Washington's wishes include a focus on member states' internal affairs. For this reason, representatives from Ukraine, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea would not be invited to NATO's next summit in July.https://www.politico.eu/article/us-presses-nato-reset-cut-foreign-missions-allies-peacekeeping-iraq-kosovo/ The EU is pretty much a France and Germany-controlled bourgeois puppet force relying on workers from poorer member countries for unpaid low-level labour, then bribing media to paint the Second World as an unstable dumpster fire. Just like what Treatler planned ili nešto
>>2696814Trump even now thinks that Kosovar independence is unimportant. Oh, what isolationism!
>>2696039"Need. Zionism. NOWWWW!" -Trumpist chud
>>2696821The EU emerged from a post-WWI House of Habsburg project with the goal of establishing something like the USA in Europe and retain some power projection cababilities for themselves in areas they used to rule for a long time. For that reason they (and Soros) were main players behind the 1989 color revolution also. The French bourgeoisie wanted a single Euro currency for some reason (it was their prerequisite for approving the German "reunification") and the German bourgeoisie does indeed utilize the EU's "free movement of labour" to exploit Eastern European cheap labour. However, neither French nor German bourgeois and aristocrats need the EU for anything. Both FR and DE are the biggest net contributors in terms of budget while EU law actually puts big countries at a disadvantage within the EU's decision making body, while net receivers like Poland and small nations enjoy more voting power relative to size. Getting rid of the DM came with neglible benefits for German porky and higher cost of living for the working class plus a shitload of problems for the economy, including the problems of € economies who formerly preferred "weak" national currencies. Eastern Europeans and others migrate here since the 19th century when Europe was still multipolar and Euro porkies and aristocrats indulged in inter-imperialist war all the time.
Today France, Germany and Italy would objectively be better off without the fucking EU in any case, that's why we have widespread anti EU sentiment here on the far-left and far-right.
So, what is the EU now? It's mainly a vehicle for the interests and imperialist agenda of the House of Rothschild (British, French, Swiss, Israeli etc.) and similar haute bourgeois and aristocrat oligarch clans and capitalists of all sorts who can circumvent national law and fuck with worker's rights and implement a draconic fascist censorship regime via EU law if need be. It's also a way for corrupt neolib PMCs from all over Europe to make a career as EUrocrats in national governments by serving oligarchs and funnel gibs from the EU budget into private black holes. Or to become a strong NAFOid nation like Poland, amassing more tanks than DE and FR combined for defending freedom. Western EU bourgeoisie adores Eastern Europe, by the way. Because Eastern Europe, including EU members such as Poland as well as membership candidates, tend to be rabid imperialist war mongers and more liberal/reactionary in terms of privileges for the rich, low wages, absence of worker's rights & social welfare and virulent anti-communism than e.g. France, Germany, Italy etc. The goal of liberal and reactionary mainstream EUrocrats is to model the entire EU after political and social conditions in Eastern Europe and the USA and make it worse when they're done with it.
>>2696879True. It's like the West is profitting off Eastern European migrants and then trying to implement reactionary politics. Then the media will try to portray these countries as either autocratic or in a good light. Then, zoomers who suffer as virgin NEETs will look for something to agree with, because they think "the good old days" would offer them more opportunities and draw more women towards them. Also, boomers are naturally more reactionary so they would see the welfare system as weak and inefficient. So then, more and more people will vote for far-right parties, which will slowly erase the right to free healthcare and education just so they will get taxed less and in turn, more money will line the pockets of the bourgeoisie. Therefore, the right is driving income inequality higher and higher.
>>2696814>core mission>internal affairswe gonna be Gladio'd
You asslickers of the european bourgeoisie are embarrassing. You are chauvinists. You are supremacists.
>>2696879The simple-minded europoller cannot comprehend this.
Their understanding of EU is:
Many countries together = internationalism = good and Socialist
Countries separate = nationalism = bad and fascist
The eurocommunist turn in the last century wrecked the brains of euro leftists
Sad.
>>2700464Myth of the hardworking protestant north EXPOSED
Commission approves interim EU-Mercosur agreement
>Yesterday, Argentina and Uruguay became the first countries to ratify the EU-Mercosur Agreement. Brazil and Paraguay are expected to follow soon. And it is such good news. Because it shows the trust and eagerness of our partners to take our relationship forward and to get this landmark agreement to work. The Mercosur Agreement creates a market of 720 million people. It opens countless opportunities. It cuts billions in tariffs. It allows our small and medium-sized businesses to access markets and scale they could only dream of before. And it also gives Europe a strategic first-mover advantage in a world of sharp competition and short horizons. But a first-mover advantage has to materialise. In January, the European Council empowered the Commission to provisionally apply the Agreement as from the first ratification by one Mercosur country. I have said before: When they are ready, we are ready. Therefore, over the last weeks, I have discussed this intensively with Member States, and with Members of the European Parliament. On that basis, the Commission will now proceed with provisional application.
>‘Provisional application' is, by its nature – provisional. It is right there in the name. In line with the EU Treaties, the Agreement can only be fully concluded once the European Parliament has given its consent. So the Commission will continue to work closely with all EU institutions, Member States and stakeholders to ensure a smooth and transparent process.
>Let me conclude: Mercosur is one of the most consequential trade agreements of the first half of this century. It is a platform for deep political engagement with partners who see the world as we do. And who believe in openness, partnership and good faith. Partners who understand that open and rules-based trade delivers positive results for all. Mercosur embodies the spirit in which Europe is acting on the global scene. Europe is getting stronger and more independent. Our businesses, our workers and our citizens will reap the benefits – and they should reap them as soon as possible. This is about resilience. This is about growth and Europe shaping its own future.
>>2700464I hate Germany so much
euromultipolarites lost. eu countries have become culturally american and eu ruling class will give anything up to kill third worlders with america. france will win the franco-german power struggle and mog everybody. it's done
>>2712820it has been over for many decades now
>>2712820France has already lost to germany since a long time now
EU is German-led Europe. EU is the realisation of the Kaiser's and the Führer's dreams.
Nazism won. EUtards support Nazism.
>>2718188Really interesting piece of news. Will rest of Europe follow these aims?
>>2718188>>2714342>Nukes for me but not for theeIs there anyone who still pretends to believe in the "rules based world order"
>>2719267doubt it, just a few years ago you just couldn't talk the rest of europe into spending their fair share on military and after war in ukraine dies down they will go back to that state
European countries must fight a war of national liberation and regain their sovereignty
based Spain
>>2719606>t. heritage foundationLet's see what the party line is:
<Xi said, adding that China has always regarded Europe as an important pole in a multipolar world, firmly supported European integration, and backed the EU's pursuit of strategic autonomy.https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202501/15/content_WS6786e8d0c6d0868f4e8eed26.htmlSorry sinophobes but the EU will integrate!
>>2719607Just for this year. Next elections PPVox will win and specially vox is very pro-american/israel
>>2719713USA, the Zionist entity and Germany (maybe against France too)
>>2720348Both Germany and France must be dismantled as viable states. For different, and sometimes conflicting, reasons they act as bullies and thugs toward other member states. Obviously also the United Kuckdom have to be completely dismantled and demilitarised, even if they're not formally part of the club anymore, because geography is not a political choice and they would be atrocious whores for both Burgerstan and the Zionist entities as long as they exist.
emancipate yourselves, willing slaves of amerikkkans
>>2732243that won't happy until multipolarity and the empire is killed
>>2712820>eu ruling class will give anything up to kill third worlders with americanot just the ruling class im afraid. Trump couldve followed through on greenland and 450 million spooked eurocattle would still cry out and beg for protection against le russian ziggers and sharia law within a week. Neanderthal brained tribalism to the last labor aristocrat.
>>2732243>willing slavesthats an oxymoron
>>2733931made in abyss is garbage
>>2733931AD5 competition. I applied for this too. No fucking clue why 80 thousand of 170 thousand applications are Italians
>>2747920Does practicing verbal reasoning tests makes you feel retarded? Because they make me feel retarded
So oil, gas and food prices are going to explode and the eu is just pretty much fucked, France is one of the only countries who could weather the storm decently because of agriculture and nuclear but it's being governed by absolute retards who just want to be another USA and free trade deals
Strangle the eu and keep it down
>>2754201Going anti-nuclear and not taking Green revolution seriously enough while not having any notable fuel sources inside of continent was mega retarded
>>2747917high unemployment among degrees holders, shitty wages and a culture that, especially in the south, gives a lot of value to lifetime employment.
Seriously, civil service exams are a huge thing in Italy.
>>2713950People of Germ's nation will collapse soon and France will lead l'internationales réactionnaire en Europe with Bardella at its helm.
>>2754318bardella is such a laughable buffoon Im actually comforted he is the far right representative, he basically destroy their chance to win by being so obviously a retard. Some sarko figure like ciotti, standard rightist hunting on RN grounds is more likely to win imo
>>2754335He's pathetic but he's the RN's nominee if Le Pen doesn't win her appeal case, so he's obviously getting to second turn, the rest entirely depends who is in front of him, if it's Philippe or some other basic right winger he loses, if it's Melanchon, he'll probably win.
>>2756173I don't get that's the problem
>>2756763Are they just creating problems for themselves to claim to have solved? They open up for migration and now turn against it? Creating jobs or what?
>>2759533Critical support to the AfD and new european right
>>2759556Isn't she in a lesbian relationship with an immigrant brown woman
>>2759577rules for thee but not for me
>>2653642 The main problem with the eu and "le-based hecking wholsome europeran federalism third superpower" as an ideology is that people fundamentally understand that the current state of things is fundamentally broken and flawed, if not outright unjust, and want an upheaval to change that. Meanwhile, the eu, currently as an ideological concept and actual existing structure, relies too heavily on the post cold war world order that as some may have noticed, is rapidly changing, thus its institutions are prioritized to be essentially the supporting blocks of "the way things are supposed to be" and any radical change from that meant to keep as much of the illusion of "liberal capitalist (perhaps with a pinch of social democratic policies) democracy" such as the recent chat control proposals that, whether some of the people supporting it actually think will stop child abuse will inevitably be used to censor opposition such as leftist agitation or the palestinian cause. Its also why europe is still so heavily reliant on the us despite the eastern bloc not being a thing for over 30 years (russia is not a serious threat to europe (well, at least a competent one which the current eu is ideologically opposed to)). The (at least seemingly) hopeful atmosphere of a united liberal europe against a failing russian autocracy that arose in 2022 is now dead thanks in part to israel and the illusion of a just west becoming harder for many to recognize as a reality, all of the "based europeran federation" synthwave posts you see on x is just souless larping or thinly veiled nazism and old school white supremacy. Any "le radical kalergi pan-human pan-Europeanism" radicalism that might have been present in the initial groups that arose after the horrors of ww1 and eventually created the foundation of the coal and steel community after ww2 and later eu are now long dead (something that would have happened inevitably anyway, as it was not really true radicalism but just traumatized bourgeois fancy) and all that is left is soulless, menial, and nagging bourgeoisie bureaucracy. most viable political factions in europe are either socdems who are intrested in their own nations class interests, pro russian and or american conservatives who bashes the eu for being "globohomo" and or some vaguely populist anarchist mix with either libertarianism or antifa larp, all of which want to have some large scale change, whether it be geopolitical neutrality with le hacking social welfare, aligning with russia and breaking off economically and politically from brussels, and or just tearing it all down (whether they actually would cause change is another topic but we are talking about sentiments here, which, contrary to what some may say is really important to the direction of any given political project). not that there isnt a "pro europeran" coalition, but it's really just either conservatives who are sentimental and or far right eastern europerans who really is just interested in their own nations' interests against "le ruzzia". "But wouldn't a europeran federation that is geopolitically apart from the us be a large upheaval?" It would if it wasn't just larp meant to run cover for a system that will never do such a thing. The fact of the matter is that the eu is a frankenstein's mess between a median first world europeran country in a recession and late 80s soviet union, one which will eventually collapse into rubble. Whatever good it may have brought like the schengen area or a unified currency, is soon being outweighed by the negatives of the now more clear truth of a bureaucratic oligarchy, such as every liberal democracy today in the first world is.
What is going on in Serbia now? I read of voter fraud, armed men at polling stations, duplicate lists and so on.
>>2747917Our wages are absolute garbage
>>2759549They're US stooges. Musk funds them.
>>2759568Basically
>>2763752Surprising turn of events.
>>2763752Is this multipolarity?
>>2767454>eurobrosIs it really a UE thing? To me it seems Germany is an isolated case, like they are specialy paranoid/schizophrenic. I don't get the same "vibes" from the rest of the countries
>>2767459some countries militaries are integrated into germanys like the netherlands and half of europe has mandatory military service for males so I see this as a broader european way of thinking
>>2767467Oh okay maybe I am sheltered by the PSOE which is somewhat antimilitaristic
>>2770990thank god fucking finally
Fuck UrsaCUNT
>>2771589My second most hated politician of europe tbh
>>2771595Go on, sweetie. Tell the entire class your first
>>2775233Oh I heard it today. I hope it makes Renfe prices decrease since it is super expensive for a bad service
>>2763758>>2763764The EU and Europe as a whole has been against US sanctions on Cuba for a loooong time
>>2770990BASED BASED BADED BASED BASED
My hate for neoliberalism has just been refreshed.
We're on the verge of municipal elections and apparently we can't build or buy public housing because the municipality doesn't have the legal framework to do so
>>2687354Nicaragua here, we dont import shit from the U.S, its mostly China. lol what a dumb ass map.
>>2775552baltoids be like what if we made 3 shithole countries that are completely hostile to human life
>>2775498here municipalities are literally required to make social and communal housing available for sale. seemingly no one talks about changing that shit because it would piss off aspiring middle classers
>>2776032why would anyone want that changed? it's nice to have the possibility of buying out your apartment or an unused one, to have soem assets, no?
>>2776048i'm a marxoid i would rather have a social safety net for proles than have that social safety net produce more petty bourgeoisie
>>2776051there's no better safety net than having right to your home
>>2776054ok dude, look at how well that worked out for the uk
>>2776056in uk investment banking isn't buying up council estates, it's buying newbuilt developments if that's what you mean
moreover uk is severely overpopulated and taking in massive amount of immigrants regardless which is not yet comparable with poland which is only slightly overpopulated and taking in too many immigrants
>>2776058Those countries are neither overpopulated or taking too many immigrants you malthusian pseud, they just underspend on construction to keep real estate prices high because capitalism. Btw hundreds of millions will come to Europe by the end of the century because of climate change wether the chauvinists chuds like it or not and I'd rather we do this in a civilized, socialist manner
>>2776058i meant that after thatcher allowed people to buy up the council housing, it all went into the private sector, which raised housing prices overall and deprived councils of affordable apartments for rent
>>2776072yeup it changed the polling in her favor too
>>2776070you can't have a world sprawling slum it's just not sustainable
i assure you hundreds of millions of immigrants will in fact not come to europe
>>2776070>Those countries are neither overpopulated True. You could fit entire global population in UK.
>>2776070The eu plan is to create a thousand gaza camps, we must destroy every state in europe
a single refugee family is worth a thousand politicians
>>2776074You can, it’s just that the elite will favor the same system as in UAE when it comes to immigrants since that’s the only realistic way to have any disciplined labor in that situation to begin with.
>>2777615… and watch them die in starvation, thirst and squalor
>>2777621who is europe planning on displacing and where to?
Will Iran debacle finally FINALLY make EU take renewables seriously?
Granted EU has done substantial progress but not on China's level
>>2778957LNG is considered green energy by the EU since Germany didn't want to have to change their production (nuclear isn't tho)
>>2779221>LNG is considered green energy by the EU Ehhh it's considered transitional option and nuclear does fall under "green" label in EU now
The "far-right" in my country are extremely zionists and suckers of yankee cock. Is it like that for other european "far-rights" (LePen, AfD) or are they also cuclservatives?
>>2779310>far right "nationalists">it's America, Russia, Israel and whatever the fuck elseEverytime
>>2779364In my country they call them "motherland-sellers"
>>2779310In France it's the alt-right (marginal) and the center right neolibs who love american penises, but expecting the far right to not just be turbo neolibs when in power is wishful thinking in my opinion
>>2779310Add Meloni to the list
>>2779555
Pill us on them
>>2779310AfD is mainly mainstream neocon, zionist and pro NATO. It was founded by supposedly "conservative islam critics" i.e. bourgeois zionist lolberts, mimicking the burger tea party, because CDU and FDP were not capitalist enough for them. They have some kind of strasserite-conservative-nationalist (or whatever it is) wing now who admittedly have some decent positions, however i have no doubt they will join the mainstream of their party on every single issue when they get into power. Höcke's faction is a minority in the party anyway plus they're pro-zionist as well, although they avoid that topic.
>>2780074>>2779579>>2779550Sad, I hoped some of them would be antisemitic and by extension antizionists/antiburger :(
>>2780093There are no greater antisemites than the zionists
>>2780062Protests because of high gas prices by
>Farmers>Truckerswhich were recently joined by
>Bikersmake of that what you will
>>2779310Yes. LePen's party is screaming about how Melenchon is anti semitic and they need to block the far left from power because otherwise a second Holocaust will happen. AFD are explicitly pro-Zionist along with all other mainstream German parties. Sweden Democrats recently had their leader fly to Israel to beg on his knees for approval from the Jews.
>>2780204???? Why doesn't this guy just use a monocle instead of a retarded DIY eyeglass-compatible patch?
>>2780205makes him look tuffer against judeo-bolshevik forces
>>2780214it is a party, they're basically nato christian conservatives with socdem characteristics. konfederacja is almost the same except they hate welfare and some eu policies.
>>2780241NEH. Literally the least important election of our lifetimes
>>2780204We have an eyepatch mcdougal in the states as well
>>2780241The globalist have taken the country back from the globalist. Everyone bang pots in the street, we got psyops to get on with, hail Sata-err democracy!
>>2780196The only time I would actually root for the cops to beat the shit out of someone. Too bad they're never gonna do it.
>>2780214Zionism was kickstarted by hitlerites you super-retard
>>2780753>Zionism was kickstarted by hitlerites you super-retardMy point was that what you said was not relevant to what I was asking
Mount Vesuvius will erupt tomorrow and itll be big
A sweeping bill advancing through France’s parliament is set to criminalise wide areas of speech on Israel, with penalties of up to five years in prison.
The legislation, due for its first reading in the National Assembly on 16 April, has secured broad backing across the political spectrum, including support from the far right.
Nearly 700,000 people have signed a petition calling for the law to be blocked, and protests have spread across the country over a bill many say threatens free speech.
The proposal is spearheaded by French MP Caroline Yadan, a leading figure among lawmakers who openly describe themselves as “unconditional” supporters of Israel.
She represents the 8th constituency for French citizens abroad, where Israel accounts for a significant share of voters, and has made defence of Israel central to her political agenda.
The bill introduces sweeping new offences. It criminalises denying Israel’s existence - while no law criminalises denying France’s right to exist - and outlaws comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany.
It also expands terrorism-related offences to include what the text defines as “implicit” provocation.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/french-lawmakers-set-push-bill-criminalising-speech-israel>>2781255>It criminalises denying Israel’s existence - while no law criminalises denying France’s right to existFucking clown world. 🙄
>>2780753>Zionism was kickstarted by hitlerites you super-retardZionists harassed Palestinian arabs, Palestinian christians and native Palestinian jews before the DAP/NSDAP (founded in 1919), Hitler and nazism became a thing. Rothschild eventually managed to snatch that territory from the British crown for the zionist project on November 2, 1917.
>>2781285>France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic. It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs. It shall be organised on a decentralised basis.Those type of things are usually included in the constitution
flood the potential man meme is so ass
Apparently Peter Magyar is going to shut down all of the Orbanist think tanks and shit, critical support tbh.
>>2781621Based
>>2781640Took losing a referendum for her, but at least she finally bent
>>2781621Rod Dreher will be out of a job and out of Budapest twinks sadly
>>2781640about fucking time that broad did something.
>>2781975lol. where can he go next?
>>2781994Probably Belgrade, maybe Prague/Bratislava.
>>2782213That's my kind of far right
>>2782718She wants to be an epic antiimperialist but they won't let her :(((
You know what's ironic? Liberals spent a good deal of the 2010s whining about Russian interference to the point that Russiagate and related shit became the liberal version of Qanon, but said liberals went on to ignore the more blatant influence operation, which was Israel's heavy hand in both forming and organising Populism Inc., from Temu Tommies and Stephen Yapley 10 names himself, all the way to white neoconservative parties like Spain's Vox and Orban's Fidesz. Speaking of the latter, it was bizarre how few media outlets pointed out that Orban's "anti-semitic" agitprop against George Soros was organised by Israeli PR experts.
Tells you all you need to know about how fake and gay le west is.
>>2782654i assure you it is not
>>2653642the contradiction of euroleftism is their prowar stance and the best way to fuck up eurolefty groups is to force them to do anti nato protests.
>>2781255It did pass btw, 5 years in prison if you say a state (any) doesn't deserve to exist, or praise terrorism as "act of resistance" (hilarious when you remember WW2 and the French Resistance)
>>2783316No it didn't pass yet, however there was the second largest petition in ever in france and they just dismissed it in the first minutes of their day lmao
violence is the only language they understand anything else is meaningless.
>>2783316Also, are you sure? I thought it was about israel specific
>>2783316As the old saying goes:
“One man’s terrorist is another man’s partisan/freedom fighter”
Hungary status?
>>2784068nothing ever happens
>>2784877This doesn't just affect Europe, by the way, but also the Americas and Africa.
>>2653642https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bulgarias-pro-russian-former-president-takes-strong-lead-election-exit-polls-2026-04-19/Former Bulgarian president's eurosceptic center-left party, Progressive Bulgaria, is leading the exit polls with under 40% of the votes
If this is the truth, this would lleave them with about 105-110 seats, considering they need 121 seats for the majority. So they would need to ally with a smaller party, most likely BSP-OL, another eurosceptic center-left party. if they get enough votes.
Geopolitically, Radev could take the role of a new Orban of sorts for Russia, continuing with the policy of Vetoing EU's decisions regarding Ukraine, altho Radev has denied this was his intention.
>>2784877who cares il be dead and then reborn in like 1400 as a serf probably
>>2786556I care because my country will turn into a desert mostly
>>2786581skill issue, even if climate panic was real there's multiple way of stopping and reversing desertification
>>2786798I don't think the climate change negationists who will come into power in around two years will care, and the socdems would have been ineffective at it (as always)
>>2786822they'll be forced face it one way or another, though obviously they won't have the capacity to deal with it in a humane way because we live in nationalist hellworld
>>2784068Reactionary fascoids lost.
>>2791489I wished. Recently there was a voting to withdraw from NATO and PSOE voted against, PPVox too, some other "leftist" parties and Sumar, the party made on the ground of withdrawing NATO ABSTAINED. I hate them, only 3 fringe parties (only 1 i know of) voted in favour
Assasinate Merz
>>2791491Apparently the two minor parties that voted for leaving (well making a referendum about it) are Catalan and basques nationalist parties.
Just like how in 1987 the two regions to have voted against joining Nato was the Greater Basque country and Catalonia.
Some things never change.
>>2794602I understand Bildu, but aren't Catalan nationalists supposed to be "right-wing"
Seems like light reactors could become a thing even in europe
https://www.wired.it/article/reattore-nucleare-senza-uranio-prometheus/I had no expectations so even if they deliver half of what announced I'd be pleased
>>2654968Yes. The types of protests that make international news in Minneapolis are a weekly occurrence in France.
>>2795670Fucking pathetic man. But they won't do shit.
Germany hate post!
Fuck this thrice genocide doing AmeriKKKa collaborationist cuck state
Total germanoid DEATH!!!
>>2799079Puting the NSDAP alongside modern zioyankee parties who will sell-out on immigration and most of other issues as soon as they win is so stupid
>>2799576What are they planning? I heard they were warning to pull out of Spain and I thought they were preparing for an invasion or whatever using Marocco but why wouls they remove their troops from Germany? Do they genuinely believe their ideology? Are they this retarded?
>>2799612I hoped Putin was doing to Germany what German media says
>>2799630Probably going to use their troops against Iran, even just as posturing. these troops are essentially useless strategically in Germany. It's also a way to put pressure on Eastern Europe, Trump is showing that if they don't follow him, they're not going to defend them if Russia attacks.
>>2804936You vill nut bake zee cookies und yew vill be happy
>>2807343Victory day in Europe in 8th though.
>>2807370My point being
>>2807343 is insinuating that Europe Day was created to supplant Victory Day, but for EU they not on the same day.
>>2804936[antisemitic cheesecake craving intensifies]
>>2807343half of europe ended ww2 under soviet occupation, why would they even celebrate such a calamity?
>>2809565You may not like it but this is what peak multipolarism looks like
an army of 27 nations with at least 5 different ideas of what it should be equipped and trained for sounds like a terrible idea
>>2809605How is that different from NATO?
>>2653642Does the fuck up on Iran make this more likely (to get a victory) or less likely (lack of faith in the us military)
>>2809672nato is an alliance it doesn't have it's own army else it would've been babel
>>2809565Isn't Spain supposed to not be hitlerite
>>2807343Yeah, it's a hitlerite institution owned by the same still operating companies that supplied zyklon b, infantry transport vehicles, uniforms etc., we know that.
>>2807343In France, No ones gives a shit about Europe day and everyone is into the 8th of may celebration (altho Macron wanted to remove them for whatever reason)
That propaganda poster could pass for a brexit one if you remove the star of David and the Nazi bird lol
>>2809672Probably it would look more like frontex, essentially a coordination agency beholden to member states with little agency but assuming very basic European military missions, exercices and more importantly being a stand off force capable of dissuading Russia which is essentially where it would replace NATO. With more integration possible down the line.
>>2809605Exactly, whenever someone talks about a EU army it's so disconnected from reality. No central command, and what you think some belgian or french soldier would take orders from some polish officer? Lmao
The eu is such an absolute joke, I cannot imagine it surviving for very long tbh
>>2809605The theoretical EU defense agency would work the same way NATO makes it work but only for EU countries this time
>>2809886Welcome back, Austro-Hungarian army.
>>2809886Hence why EU needs to quickly integrate into a proper state, not this half-assed "union".
>>2809921hell no
each nation gets a state to live in as the best see fit is the best approach
>>2809921Any pan-European state would be dominated by german and french interests like the EU is today
>>2809928Germania delenda est and this union will be perfect.
No, seriously. How would any EU defense agency be any different from NATO except smaller?
>>2809948No US/UK and disintegrated command
>>2809921I don't really agree, but nevertheless the idea of forming a union solely based on monetary principles is so fucking stupid only the most cliché bourgeoise could think it would work lmao.
I guess it worked in that they got pretty rich of it.
>>2809948because the supreme allied commander of nato has never not been american and the deputy supreme allied commander has never not been british. neither are in the eu
>>2809960>>2809975Didn't know that, all the more reason to have something else then
>>2809985Went to shit when Ireland started intentionally losing, tbh
>>2810106Tbh, the winners of eurovision are the ones that have to pay for it, in order of first to last, a ridiculous notion, if slovakia won they would be fucked financially lol
>>2810190Ireland lost so much money when they won many times in a row that they've completly stopped trying to win nowadays.
>>2810931>settler-colonialist everyday assumptionsExplain to me why a Euroid wouldn't ever be guilty of this.
https://xcancel.com/jojinho00/status/2053055151649202506https://xcancel.com/WDLD0712/status/2051959533199569259TIL one of the biggest “European” anti-immigrationist accounts on X’itter is ran by a marojeet living in the UK.
First it was Mizrahi IDF recruiter and convicted wife beater Avi Yemeni handling Tommy Robinson, then it was one of France’s biggest “ethno-nationalist” pseud being a Mizrahi/brown Jew Eric Zemmour, AfD’s head Alice Weidel’s “wife” being a Sri Lankan, Salvini’s Lega Nord being responsible for Italy having its first ever black senator, Farage’s Reform UK running multiple Asian and African candidates, and now this.
The Great replacement is so total even the Europoid US/Russian/Israeli-funded Populism
Inc., anti-immigration movement has been great-replaced. Sad.
>>2810966If Bede is to be believed, then England itself is a settler-colonial state since the Anglo-Saxons from the German region of Saxony colonised Sub-Roman Britain and displaced the native Bretons to the point that they displaced almost every genetic trace of the natives:
https://www.ancientpages.com/2019/01/08/anglo-saxons-practically-eradicated-native-britons-the-question-is-was-it-ethnic-cleansing/ >>2810963The reddit clone run by PSL-tier yankee "communists"? Inhabited by /r/GenZhou (CGTNism) and ChapoTrapHouse (DSA) emigrants?
Are you american? If so go fuck yourself for answering.
This is a bump for the thread to re-read
>>2810931 again, since it wasn't answered. An anti-slide, if you will.
>>2810931>>2810931>>2810931>>2810931EUROS ANSWER
>>2811046www.reddit.com
now leave us alone.
>>2811046I am EU, there is frequent posters talking about organizing around western europe and such, stop being a cringe campist.
>>2811058None of us are going to let your Mossad ass on your secret european wesbites, alright ?
>>2811060>Campist Started projecting after getting your bullshit exposed?
You're presently saying that lemmygrad, a community that has existed for about two years and has less traffic on pet topics like kissing BRICS bureaucrat ass than /leftypol/, is the place european socialists and communists go to discuss labor news and marxist theory, when Europe has led the access and high-speed access to the internet by comparison to North America, has vastly more developed labour movement and communist movement, has regular transnational demos and strikes and a socialgeographical situation (language barriers) making social media perfect to bridge silos? Your claim is that before 2 years ago, no european sysadmin of some socialist organization put two neurons together to set up a server? And I'm supposed to not mock you?
>>2811062Yeah you (Mossad) would indeed like only SIGINT offices to have the knowledge of these platforms involving hundreds of thousands of militant workers and not the general public.
>>2811069A true worker would be guided toward it, however Mossadism has darkened your vision and you are unable to attain it.
>>2811069you are a jewish nigger and incoherent as hell, go start your own if you're that concerned with pooping on the already existing spots.
>>2811087>>2811089Thanks for conceding.
>>2811042What the hell are you talking about? Britborgs are 40%+ celts
>>2810931> Considering the population concentration of British Isles-Germany-Italy-Spain-France as well as level of socio-technical development, this simply has to exist?Europe has two fundamental problems for that: languages and politics fragmented along national lines
>>2811135Everybody can speak english though.
>>2811135>Europe has two fundamental problems for that: languages and politics fragmented along national linesSee this section from
>>2811069>a socialgeographical situation (language barriers) making social media perfect to bridge silosThe internet, especially post smartphones, completely nullifies this as a hindrance.
>>2811141Not only can a significant part of Europe speak english, but most phones can auto-translate page from let's say italian to french in ~3 seconds (even with 100% free software) today.
>>2811193Well then surely with all this language support there must be a pan european specific social media platform out there comparable in size and development to what america has!
>>2804936who cares about racist jews? even if they hate your bake sale it's not like they can do anything about it.
>>2811602Which are the US specific social media networks?
There used to be national social media sites, but these days everybody moved to facebook, instagram, twitter, etc.
>>2815960It looks like they are trying to sell you a financial "product".
>>2815960Cant think of anything more linked to free thinking and freedom of expression then state sponsored propaganda posters.
>>2815960You're like the first Spanish mf I've seen posting on leftypol.org
>>2815968depends on the nature of the state you uyghur. the eu is just a company.
>>2815990Propaganda, even one you agree with, by definition doesn't promote free thinking, you're told what to think, thats the definition of the word.
>>2815968Idk I don't really have a problem with the fact that they are doing propaganda (I have an issue that they are doing liberal europeist propaganda). Also, its very ironic they do that while they try to ban VPNs, E2EE and their war against "russian disinformation"
>>2815989Theres literally an /esp/ thread
>>2815994Not really, its more about making your position known. Propaganda is not inherently bad
i have such a fatigue of retarded swedish politicians that i wouldn't mind EU just taking over completly and turn us into a neo-colony. EUcrats are retarded too but less retarden then our political elite
>>2811135>politics fragmented along national linesBut EU parliament has international umbrella parties?
>>2819617No, not really.
What the EU parlament has are party groups.
Every 5 years every member state runs an election with their own local parties for the european parlament, then each party must join a group in the parlament (of form a new one).
As a result, the party groups work more like a sort of confederation of parties, be it more loose or compact.
>>2815960Hm, I wonder if they're also bankrolling these guys:
https://youtube.com/@eumadesimple >>2823644politics has always been opportunistic. what changed?
>>2823632Muslims are a significant enough minority, and a larger part of them are dissastified with the status quo and left wing parties, a lot of them aren't even immigrants, Lega will try to appeal to them. It's a very common thing, think of Richi Sunak in the UK.
>>2823632Small capitalist muslims
>>2823632Even brownoids don't like other brownoids, that's why they do everything possible to get away from them
>>2823649>what changed?Nothing, clearly.
>>2823805these types of right wing candidates have always been normal in italy?
>>2823656European gusanos.
>>2823632The neofascist FdI party also run a south american for the municipal council here. It's all spectacle.
>>2823820They aren't new. The League also mamaged to get an afro-italian elected into parlament.
>>2824547Wait til anon realises that the US house of reps has two giant bronze fasces on the wall right beside the speakers podium
>>2824827insane, thanks for posting. so if there was ever a wider european war France would be able to station nukes on their border with Russia
>>2825355
AfD is revolutionary?
>>2825367duh, national
socialist, it's in the name
>>2825355
Europeans not killing eachother is good actually
>>2827744WRONG.
>But while the slogan of a republican United States of Europe—if accompanied by the revolutionary overthrow of the three most reactionary monarchies in Europe, headed by the Russian—is quite invulnerable as a political slogan, there still remains the highly important question of its economic content and significance. From the standpoint of the economic conditions of imperialism—i.e., the export of capital and the division of the world by the "advanced" and "civilised" colonial powers—a United States of Europe, under capitalism, is either impossible or reactionary.You are anti-communist.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/23.htm >>2827308
>the reactionary conservatives of the AfD are more revolutionary than the american and european 'left', who are in fact, reactionary
<THIS IS WHAT ZIGGERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
Get your head blown up by an FPV drone you retarded nationalist.
>>2827992>You are anti-communist.as should anyone, it's a failed and flawed ideology that doesn't even belong in europe in the first place
>>2828059marx was from europe though
>>2828059Communists were the only reason Europeans had a good life and now that they're gone everything is getting worse since the rich no longer even need to pretend that their system is better. You're an idiot.
>>2828060only passing through
>>2828068places communists touched are notoriously worse off than the rest of the continent except maybe for bavaria where they only got a 2 year stint
>>2828078theres a reason why marx applied to immigrate to texas
>>2828074Monarchies in Europe are all aesthetics and larp. That's why there are no republican movements, cause nothing would really change.
>>2828090>places communists touched are notoriously worse off than the rest of the continent <the places that were gleefully looted bare by the capitalists in a plunder frenzy when soviet union fell are worse off than the places that plundered themshocking, truly
>>2828157if you ask some of those people they might tell you it was soviets who looted everything they could lie their hands on
oh you;re implying that evil european capitalists robbed former soviet union?
- that's not really true
- that's hardly europe
>>2828165>>2828160>>2828157ban this dumb porky bot already ffs
>>2828090are you from the butthurt belt? be honest
>>2828172denying western europe was way better off than eastern europe even before 1991 is beyond ridiculous
>>2828176that's because western europe was better off than eastern europe before 1939. eastern european economies are still coasting off the industry and the infrastructure built during the soviet period. state capitalism and dirigisme were actually excellent ways for poor countries to get out of poverty in the latter half of the 20th century and a lot of them replicated the soviet model
>>2828183>eastern european economies are still coasting off the industry and the infrastructure built during the soviet periodwhich ones? name the countries and the enterprises
>>2828188all of them and all of them. most of the heavy industry and most of the infrastructure. listing off the particular enterprises would be pointless. the main point is that these countries were turned from backwaters filled with peasants into urbanized, primarily industrial economies in a relatively short period of time
>>2828202you are wrong on all accounts
- after fall of east wall every country had to reorganize it's economy, very few of the communist era enterprises exist to this day as most of them were run sub optimally and would (and did) tank in a market economy
- in soviet space this perhaps was avoided by privatization by the emerging oligarchy but once again this is irrelevant when we're talking about europe
- eastern europe is no russia where everyone lived exclusively in wooden hovels and walked on all fours, these countries has civilization before the war and regardless of how destroyed there were they would end up rebuilt either way so you can't put the rebuilding down as some sort of communist triumph
- especially when countries untouched by the antihuman ideology rebuilt a lot more rapidly
>>2828176>western europe was way better off than eastern europe even before 1991that's what brainwashed westoids and liberal butthurt belters actually believe.
It was not though. Western lower class was in fact way worse off than anyone over here. Not even taking the USA into account, which was worse than western succdem Europe in pretty much every aspect.
But maybe you can enlighten me: I've never been to Poland before 1990, in fact i've never been to Poland at all, but i've visited Czechia & Slovakia pre 1990 and it was not much worse than the DDR. I've always wondered why butthurt belters are OBSESSED with the west? What is the reason for slavs going such lenghts to humiliate themselves in front of westoids? It's totally beyond me, not even rightoids do that here.
>>2828255have you been to brd tho?
>>2828261My grand parents visited our relatives in the Rhineland many times and my dad was due to his job as main engineer traveling all over the world even to the USA and other capitalist countries as representative on trade fairs before the fall of the wall. He and my grandparents had more than enough opportunities to leave the evil grey communist stasi dictatorship, but they didn't. Myself i've been to the BRD in Dec. 1989, as well as in Denmark in 1990 (also have relatives there). I had high expections for the BRD because i had this image from west German TV in my mind. West in reality turned out underwhelming, to say the least. I liked McDonalds tbh however at that trip i saw homeless people and junkies for the first time in my life. Then all the scammers and smug adventurists that came here to bring us "freedom" and teach us "democracy" after 1990 but literally ruined everything made me hate the "west" forever.
>>2828221>these countries had civilization before the warEven Poland was an heavily agrarian country, and that was the most developed country in all Eastern Europe who mostly grew economically because of the land they got from germany, unironically
>>2828328western poland was a sea of ruins, everything of any value got disassembled and sent to soviets
if you want you can look up and compare pictures of 60s gdansk or wroclaw and 50s nagasaki and you just won't believe which one got nuked
on a sidenote lower silesia and lausatia were the most provincial and poor german lands before the war
>>2828255The GDR was the wealthiest country in the entire Soviet bloc in terms of GDP per capita, and even under that metric it fared less than France and west Germany and most of Scandinavia.
It’s time for people here to stop with the cope and admit that Eastern Europe under the iron curtain was genuinely a shithole, especially by the 1970s, whether it’s in terms of sub-par living standards (like, engineers making less than those of the west was a common talking point) or environmental degradation due to economic competition with NATO countries. You have to wonder why did the 1989 revolutions happen at all if things were so good on the eastern side of the Berlin Wall.
>>2828373While I mostly agree, a revolution is not something that happen because of comparatively lower standards of living, or else there would be one every day in a different country, those revolutions happened mostly because of foreign interference.
Any other interpretation is painfully naive, people have lived in shitholes for centuries without revolting.
>>2828460Interesting since I always thought that the revolutions of 1989 were genuinely grassroots for the most part (especially in Romania, the only Soviet bloc country that saw its communist leader executed by a popular uprising) barring western intelligence’s supports for anti-communist dissidents movements like Solidarnosc in Poland.
Makes you wonder if the communist governments in Eastern Europe could have survived past 1989 or even 1991 without Soviet support, as Gorbachev decided to turn away from the interventionist policies of Brezhnev.
>>2828467without soviet support they wouldn't even have survived past 1945
>>2828460>people have lived in shitholes for centuries without revolting.not in europe
>>2828373>GDP per capitayou do understand how worthless this metric is to define the average worker life quality in a socialist society?
>it fared less than France having a colonial empire to exploit help for sure
>and west Germanygetting the big bucks from the US while not paying any reparation obviously make things easier than paying heavy war reparations without getting anything because your side got wrecked by the war.
>admit that Eastern Europe under the iron curtain was genuinely a shitholeI think its time for you to admit you're simply parroting cold war era propaganda with 0 actual insight in the matter
>like, engineers making less than those of the west was a common talking pointyes ofc, because if you focus on raising the life quality of everyone, you dont bribe an upper middle class with more surplus at the detriment of the workers having the dangerous and physically straining jobs like the coal miners. Thats the crux of the issue, the elites and intelligentsia werent getting a disproportionate amount of the surplus like in a capitalist society, and they're the ones with the most social weight (which is why many happily betrayed communism)
>environmental degradation due to economic competition with NATO countriesand nato countries didnt degrade their environement? the fuck are you even saying now
>As the President of France, Emmanuel Macron also serves as a co-monarch—specifically a Co-Prince of Andorra. This title is inherited from medieval French kings and is shared alongside the Bishop of Urgell in Spain
just delete europe at this point bruh
>>2828484>you do understand how worthless this metric is to define the average worker life quality in a socialist society?Still better than GDP. It should also be understood that while admittedly economic growth in the east bloc was the same for both blocs or even higher than the west bloc between the 1950s and 1960s, afterwards growth began to slow down in the east such that Eastern European countries trailed behind their western counterparts like Austria by the 1970s and 1980s. The situation was such that most communist governments borrowed foreign currency en masse due to importing western tech and resources to compensate for their technological backwardness and thus had to notify their creditors at the Paris and London clubs.
Speaking of which, Austria and much of Scandinavia also exceeded the eastern bloc despite lacking an empire. Inb4 Marshall plan, the USSR also aided the development of the eastern bloc just as much the USA did in the western bloc
>I think its time for you to admit you're simply parroting cold war era propaganda with 0 actual insight in the matterJust because the eastern bloc was and is a better place to live in than modern Sudan doesn’t mean that the eastern bloc was not genuinely poor. Fact is, if it wasn’t for the Berlin Wall being fully sealed, then east Germany would have continued bleeding skilled labor to west Germany and thus the GDR could have never ascended.
>yes ofc, because if you focus on raising the life quality of everyone, you dont bribe an upper middle class with more surplus at the detriment of the workers having the dangerous and physically straining jobs like the coal miners.Dunno man, you seriously think the an engineer, an AI startup, a CEO, a janitor, a coal miner, a Twitch streamer, a lawyer, a politician, a farmer, etc… should all have the same income?
Do you see where I’m getting? The inefficiency of the central planners, the flaws of a command economy as applied to large countries, and the rigidity of the economy (as shown by how few factories ever closed despite the arrival of new tech) effectively undermined the economic prospects of the eastern bloc. Otherwise a black market to meet consumer goods, usage of foreign currencies, and economic stagnation wouldn’t have happened in the eastern bloc.
There’s a reason the term “shortage economy” to describe those states exists in the first place.
>and nato countries didnt degrade their environement?The heavy emphasis on heavy industry at the expense of other sectors combined with inability to keep up with contemporary technological progress led an increase in pollution in places like Czechoslovakia. Conditions were worst in Northern Bohemia, which was a part of the so-called ‘triangle of death’ that also included South-East East Germany and South-West Poland, but the effects were also felt beyond the region in which the pollution originated.
Also, the western bloc had no equivalent to the Mayak disaster and Chernobyl meltdown.
I’m in Germany, so a quick question for the krauts here: Is it true that if the pimp at the average brothel tells me that they have:
- Scandinavian women, I should assume they’re all from the Baltics, Russia, Ukraine or Belarus?
- Italian, Spanish, Greek and Portuguese women, I should assume they’re all from Romania and the Balkans?
- German and Dutch women, they’re actually Polish, Czech, Hungarian and Slovakian?
Apparently Germans still associate Eastern Europe negatively which is why pimps have to lie about the origins of the prosties in their brothels.
>>2653642There were elections in Malta Yesterday, here are the results
The Labour party (Center-left) has won 36 seats, keeping a majority in the parliament for the 4th time in a row.
The right wing Nationalist party has won 31 seats, ending up second.
However, the gap between the two has shortened, with the Labour Losing 3.3% of their vote share, with the Nationalists gaining 2.9%
The rest of the voting went to third parties that didn't win any seats. Two left wing one, Momentum and the Greens, with respectively 1.3 and 1.5% of the votes, the People's party, a conservative party got 0.6. And Imperium Europa, a party whose aim is to unite europe from the Channel to Vladivostock to save the white race, has gotten 167 votes, but usually in eu elections they get more, around 7000 votes.
>>2828718>between the 1950s and 1960s, afterwards growth began to slow down in the east so after revisionists started to fuck with the planned economy, something that would only get worse. There certainly was a part of mismanagement, and a part of spending too much on weapons (but then again, they did have good reason for wanting the weapons). But none of this was catastrophic, and the main problem compared to the west were the limits on trade because pretty much all of most the developed states were in the west (which obviously favor the west bloc economy, although it didnt favor the west colonies and client states populations), preventing the access to the most advanced tech and to big capital investments
>most communist governments borrowed foreign currency en masse I dont think you can say most, although a few of the eastern bloc did but Im not sure how important that was. I dont know that much about it, but that certainly seems more of specific mismanagement than an inherent problem
>Austria and much of Scandinavia also exceeded the eastern bloc despite lacking an empireaustria was an industrial powerhouse and scandinavia had both developed industry and a large amount of resources even before ww2. As with much of the west/east difference, the big one is the starting point
>Inb4 Marshall plan, the USSR also aided the development of the eastern bloc just as much the USA did absolutely not, ussr was far from being as rich and developed as the USA, and was fucking wrecked in the war while the US helped to be able to actually have customers for its massive intact industrial capacity
>doesn’t mean that the eastern bloc was not genuinely poorpoorer for sure, but the poor were also living a lot better than the poor of the west, and no, the USSR, czechs or GDR were not "poor". And the poorer countries started as such, it was not the fault of the economic management.
>then east Germany would have continued bleeding skilled labor to west Germany the main reason for the berlin wall was both sabotage and the fact your didnt want the skilled people who had a free education and a heavily subsidized housing to go work on the other side
>seriously think the an engineer, an AI startup, a CEO, a janitor, a coal miner, a Twitch streamer, a lawyer, a politician, a farmer, etc… should all have the same income?no, and its not what I have said. A coal miner for example, should have a pay comparable to an engineer, because while less educated, their job is a lot worse. A twitch streamer, who have neither education nor hard work, should have a way lower pay. "Politician" isnt really a job, but bureaucrats (like a CEO) typically should be between a farmer and an engineer. Pay should be a function of both education and work arduousness
>The inefficiency of the central planners, the flaws of a command economy as applied to large countrieswhich is just wrong. It worked very well for a significant time (even better than capitalist economies even), proving the core of the problem is not "command economy"
>rigidity of the economy now that was a problem, but its mismanagement, not an inherent problem to command economy
>There’s a reason the term “shortage economy” to describe those states exists in the first place.yes, because of cold war propaganda. You know using price to limit consumption is a rationing mechanism, just more unequal than the ones practiced in socialist countries. People had way more social services and lower prices for food or housing, despite the countries being less developed
>The heavy emphasis on heavy industry at the expense of other sectors combined with inability to keep up with contemporary technological progress plenty of places in europe, africa and america were wrecked (and still are being wrecked today) by industry, its inherent to it no matter the tech, you cant have advanced economies without it, and the east wasnt especially worse in this regard, the west just had a lot of polluting resource extraction outsourced to colonies.
>triangle of deathdidnt know about it, googling the term bring me to various places, including italy…
>Mayak disaster and Chernobyl meltdownthree miles island was pretty close, they released a bunch of radioactive material in the air to avoid a meltdown. And those are accidents involving the dangerous new tech, yes industrial accidents happen, but I dont see how this is related, if anything theres less incentive to hide pollution in a command economy (although it can still be a problem if the people in charge dont care), and ussr had plenty of very interesting ecological initiative very early.
cockshott make interesting analysis of planned vs market economies both in TANS and how the world works, you can take a look at an excerpt
https://monthlyreview.org/articles/crisis-of-socialism-and-effects-of-capitalist-restoration/ >>2659740Based
>>2664845Not ones that matter
>>2667665I wonder if this was done in preparation for a possible trade war with China for the Industrial Acceleration Act/Made in EU; if anything at least they aren't as retarded as Trump
>>2670422> Bourgeois> Reactionary> Reactionary with red paint >>2830075>putinbadt radlib imperalist
>>2830075Russia funds and helps nazis in Europe while invading countries to "de-nazify" them.
The United States is considering deploying nuclear weapons to new NATO countries
<At least Poland and some Baltic countries have shown interest in the arrangement.
<NATO's nuclear sharing program currently includes Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, and Britain.
>The United States is discussing the possibility of deploying nuclear weapons to more European NATO countries than at present, reports the Financial Times.
>According to sources interviewed by the newspaper, US officials have signaled openness to new deployment locations in addition to the six NATO countries currently part of the arrangement. The goal would be to reassure allies that the reduction of conventional US military support will not weaken Europe's security guarantees.
>The discussions are highly confidential according to sources, and take place amid widespread concern in Europe over the Donald Trump administration's actions to withdraw US troops and key weapons systems from Europe.
>A potential expansion would allow more countries to host US dual-capable fighter aircraft, which are also capable of nuclear strikes. According to sources, countries on NATO's eastern flank in particular, such as Poland and some Baltic countries, have shown interest in the arrangement.
>NATO's nuclear sharing program currently includes Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, and Britain. The weapons are under US control, and Washington retains exclusive decision-making authority over their use.
>NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte recently warned that if anyone were to attack the alliance, the response would be "devastating".
>>2830092and? there can never be socialism until the imperialist war in ukraine ends. for every country involved in it
>>2830253The third world must acquire nukes at all costs. Or else we are held hostage by the most sadistic pedophile sociopaths on the planet.
>>2830253waste of time we need to produce our own bombs not hold someone else's stock
>>2830340Its an american attempt to try to block Europes own nuclear ambitions. American weapons would give false sense of security.
Are Euro cops this nasty?
https://xcancel.com/emkenobi/status/2060932437736096027Like, the Dutch cops had no qualms with throwing a pregnant woman to the ground. If it wasn’t for gun control laws in Europe, then the Euro cops would probably be more brutal than American ones.
>>2831187All cops are nasty, especially in france, they might be worse then usa cops
>>2831197in France they're trained by Israeli instructor that basically train them to see the public the same way they see palestinians,I'm not joking
>>2831231bro we dont need israeli, we had colonial police long before israel even existed and gave counterinsurgency and police repression of popular movement expertise to various dictatorship throughout the 20th century
>>2831274Unless those late night shitposts are really funny stuff being done at those data centers.
>>2831274They'll just buy solar panels and battery packs. Shitposting can't be defeated
>>2831274You can't make this shit up, the EU is such a fucking failure in every respect it's not even funny anymore. Where are all these far-right supposed EU critics now by the way, for some reason they all went silent with regard to this trainwreck.
Hi, guys
I would like to ask you guys to go to EU Inc. proposal page in "Have your say" portal to ask Commission to include cooperatives in their regulation. Here is all you need to know why that's important and to make it easier for you to write your feedback and provide sources too, anyway two studies (1)(2) commissioned by EU identified these problems with the existing SCE (European cooperative society) regulation:
1. High capital requirement to start-up (30000 euros) which is absurd for a cooperatives which rely on labor and frequently struggle to access capital
2. Complicated registration procedures since all 27 member states have their own ways to register SCEs, frequently goverment institutions have no idea how to do it, for example one study references a situation where registration took a whole year, and there is no mechanism to notify other member states then SCE is registered in one state
3. Furthermore in order to register SCE members must come from at least 2 different countries which is arbitrary because all member state citizens are automatically EU citizens so it just needlessly makes it harder to register one
4. Little reason to use SCE legal form then national cooperative forms are much more convenient and can be used to operate cross-borders anyway and little knowledge and visibility that SCEs eve exist
Now proposed EU Inc. regulation would fix LITERALLY all of the problems mentioned above because:
1. It has very low capital requirement, so far the proposal only asks for 100 euros i.e. 300 times less than to set up a SCE
2. Digital first registration procedures using "once-only" principle, once EU Inc. is registered in one country all others are automatically informed and have to register them in 48 hours not freaking years
3. No arbitrary citizenship requirements of their members
4. Cooperatives would actually have a reason to use an European company form now, especially technology cops like platform cooperatives, and just existence of the option to set up EU Inc. as a cooperative would inform people of the possibility and of cooperatives in general
Oh, and commissioned has said they are committed to regulatory non-discrimination of social economy enterprises (which coops fall under) so make sure to remind them of that (3)
So please take some time of your day to write up feedback and ask Commission to include cooperative option in their EU Inc. proposal. Everyone can do it even non-EU citizens (looking at you Americans). You can do it here:
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14674-A-single-harmonised-set-of-rules-for-innovative-companies-throughout-the-EU-28th-regime_enThank you
Sources:
(1) EURICSE (2024). Synthesis report on the application of Council Regulation (EC) No. 1435/2003 of 22 July 2003 - Statute for a European Cooperative Society (SCE)”. Author: Antonio Fici. Luxembourg: Publication Office of the European Union.
(2) Diesis Network. (2014). Review of European Cooperative Societies (SCEr): Final report. European Commission. diesis-network.coop
(3) Social economy in the EU. (n.d.). Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs.
https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/sectors/proximity-and-social-economy/social-economy-eu_eneurope is so boring, yawn, next
>>2839524> 1. High capital requirement to start-up (30000 euros) which is absurd for a cooperatives which rely on labor and frequently struggle to access capital30k is nothing, you need capital to back up your enterprise otherwise secs are nothing but platforms for schemes
>>2839524> 3. Furthermore in order to register SCE members must come from at least 2 different countriesyeah it's an INTERNATIONAL cooperative
a normal cooperative you can open within the law of the country you're residing in
>>2839524I do not care about an internationally
operating commercial Inc. If i want to create a business in the form of a coop i can do that without the fucking EU.
If you come back with incentives to support and protect FOSS on EU level i might care.
Thank you.
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