Previous thread:
>>2535127
So give the fact US invasion of Greenland went from provocative joke to a realistic possibility, what are the chances of European governments getting their shit together?
Euros are honorary third worlders
t. third worlder
>>2653651
why in the world would an european be a communist in the first place?
Is there still a chance that Macron regime will fall because of the Article 49.3 thing?
Or did everyone give up again
>>2653725
yeah buddy the thing is if europeans revolted today the result would be exactly the opposite of what you hope for
>>2654568
Coal
reminder that a european communist who is not both anti-NATO and anti-EU is no communist at all
reminder that european states are american vassals and that they must focus on a war of national liberation first, only afterwards can they even think about socialism
reminder that these are standard leninist positions and have nothing to do with third worldism
reminder that none of these violate Ordinance 4
>>2654267macron regime will cruise on easy mode till 2027
there have been many protests during his reign, he simply sits tight, sends police in the streets and everything goes back to normal after a few weeks max
macron invaincu macron invincible
>>2654930>reminder that a european communist who is not both anti-NATO and anti-EU is no communist at allCan I be anti-Putin slayer of the USSR too?
>>2654966Anti-Putinism can be secondary. Primarily you must be anti-EU anti-NATO. If you succeed in that, regain national sovereignty, and successfully resist Yank bullying, then sure you can be anti-Putin all you want.
may the old world beat the new world
Did anyone else saw Marat/Sade btw?
Or am I being too much of an European?!
>>2654968>regain national sovereigntyEuroboo multipolaroids lmao
>>2655052Why is the EU a good thing? Why should the EU not be opposed?
>>2655058Yeah but you talk about national liberation and sovereignty on capitalist nations on Europe. Cannot even put the socdem charade that it was only for "opressed nations". I hate socdems.
>>2655064You did not answer the question + european countries
are oppressed nations
europeans are enslaved by america
>implying the euros ever lost national sovereignty
yes France is still responsible for west africa using the CFA Franc don't think euros just get to dodge responsibility for not being the biggest boss in the imperialist cartel
>>2655069it is sad to be so stoopid
>>2655069it's currently (very slowly) getting dropped in west africa,and they don't even need to give their foreign reserves since 2019
also the CFA franc is under brussells command since 1999,since it's pegged to the euro now.
>>2655069We are literal vassals to the USA, you fucking moron.
French people are an oppressed nation. It is harder to be French than to be a black or an arab.
>>2655134>We are literal vassals to the USA, you fucking moron.LMAO no but go ahead, absolve your imperialists of responsibility some more
<it was actually the americans that convinced us to invade suez!!!! the algerian war is NOT a stain on our perfectly guilt-free and innocent conscious!!!!!disgusting euro crybabies think they're victims of imperialism themselves
>>2655134>also the CFA franc is under brussells command since 1999yes the EU is an imperialist institution, look how much Value they extract from the rest of the world because of colonial relics like the CFA franc
>it's currently (very slowly) getting dropped in west africanot fast enough
Take 2 minutes to sign this and 5 minutes to share it with friends
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2025/000005_en
>but GermanyThen make them openly oppose all of Europe to keep supporting zionist entity
>>2654930Reminder that I will keep supporting EU as a leftist
>>2654930True and correct
>>2654267It's not impossible but unlikely that Lecornu gets fired, It'll be extremly close however.
For now NFP (minus PS) and the RN/UDR are in favor of the motion of censure PS are against it, Government is obviously against it, LR is probably against it.
But, Amound LR and PS, it's not impossible that some might break rank, it's also not impossible that LIOT (independant regionalists) and independant MPs vote in favor of it and therefore collapse it.
But it'd be extremly close.
What happens next is hard to know, but already, France won't have a budget for this year, they'll do last year's one again.
Macron will likely be untouched, there exists a motion to remove the president, but it's impossible for it to pass.
Macron will therefore have 3 choice, call for new elections, unlikely because it wont favor him and i'd be in the middle of the municipal elections. Name a prime minister from either the far right or the NFP, or just name another random centrist (Even Lecornu) and hope he won't get fired again. Like he did last time with Bayrou and Barnier.
We are so incredibly fucked until we get a SWIFT replacement
I hate 21st century history because you alredy know europe is dead and it's going to get swallowed by the rest of the world but it plays out super fucking slow, like, just get it over with, you never recovered from ww2 stop trying to pretend you are not a corpse and just fucking die alredy.
you have to options as a european
>total unification under a hitler/napoleon figure
>accept you are going to get gangraped by russia
>>2655242You will never ever win like this. Your willful ignorance helps only the capitalists.
>>2657372Russia-gate tier
>>2657372Why is it always about rape with the ziggers?
>>2653642The European Century of Humiliation can not be cancelled.
>>2657389hybridization has terrible consequences on the genetic stock of a species and because of their steppe ancestry ziggers are the result of intense race mixing
>>2657977arent mixed breeds more healthy
like mixed dogs and horses
If you can consider mixed homo sapiens "mixed" at all
>>2654930I'm anti-EU but I will push for an EU Army for the obvious reason it breaks apart Europe from the US and finally nukes Atlanticism.
Breaking the West into competing blocs is good for everyone. Hopefully Australia and NZ see the light and align themselves more with China.
>>2657980generally no but that depends on how far removed (genetically) the parent populations were
hybridization of hooded crow and black crow results in offspring so inferior those birds got bumped into being different species despite being the same bird <10k years ago
>>2654930>reminder that european states are american vassals and that they must focus on a war of national liberation first, only afterwards can they even think about socialismOh I get it, this is a bit, right?
>>2657372The bourgeoisie don't need a hitler or napoleon, slow decay is on a trajectory to continue until society collapses because capitalism makes people inept and unwilling to reproduce the basis for civilization.
>>2657290why do you lick the ass of the european bourgeoisie?
>>2657372uyghur, you listed two people who invaded Russia and brought a lot of devastation to the country. Don't you think you may be the bad guy and not people who just want European capital to fuck off from Soviet Union territory that they have no right to be on or influence in any way, shape or form?
>>2658064America and its european lackeys = bad
russia and china = good
simple as
>>2658087
>soviet imperialism
typical fascist euro nafoid
>>2658088it's very hard to miss how this all soviet revanchism is anything but classic russoidal laying claims to lands they do not belong in
>>2658087
kill yourself bitch
>>2658064Soviet union is long dead THOUGH
The EU is a vassal of the US
The EU is an international organization
Therefore supporting the EU against the US is internationalist liberation
>>2658187Inter-imperialist conflict 🥱
The eu won't do shit
Swedish pension fund Alecta dumps up to $8.8 billion in US government bonds
This comes after Danish pension fund AkademikerPension's decision in January 20th 2026 to exit U.S. Treasuries due to heightened credit risks
Source:
https://www.di.se/nyheter/di-avslojar-alecta-har-dumpat-amerikanska-statspapper/>>2658197Why the fuck I have to live in Scandinavia
>>2658197explain in caveman terms
Will Roma people get their own republic after Revolution?
>>2658201This could trigger a selling off spree which would drop US treasury prices and increase their yields (interests rates) which would make mortage payments higher for Americans
now that the "rules based order" is fully gone, it is not expected that the EU will follow american sanctions right…. right…..
EUROANONS, EXPLAIN WHY THE FUCK YOUR COUNTRY STILL IS INVOLVED ON THE STARVATION OF VENEZUELA AND IRAN, both the EU and UK are moving to "distance from US" yet they are still adopting unilatteral sanctions that are responsible for destroying and crippling venezuelan and iranian economies, mainly venezuela.
it is on interest of europe to remove sanctions and asset freezes, including the shameful reserves seizure done by london and recognize maduro/delcy, as also nicaragua and cuba, giving a way those countries suffering by the now enemy, USA, a relief and trade with capitalism, but yet, this never and still fails to happen.
ATP if this shit continue i am throwing my support to russia to denazify eastern and western europe once uKKKraine is done and the destruction of EU and hanging of eurocrat libfascist imperialists
>>2658211Baby steps, we need actual independence before actually independent foreign policy can happen
Trust me I know, I am a Lithuanian and, for example, I can tell you that Lithuania is the only EU country not to ratify EU-Cuba trade agreement
>>2658211because the bourgeoisie of my cunt don't want to be on the side that gets bombed. it's quite simple actually
>>2658092>>2658087Fuck off nafoid.
>>2658211Cubas largest export markets are Spain China Germany and the Netherlands btw
>>2658087
>soviet imperialism
you need to go back
>>2658309How is this a bad cause ? This agreement will just increase price of stuff lmfao
>>2658309Farmers are the worst petite bourgeois pieces of shit, yes
Commission is likely to provisionally apply it anyway under pressure from Merz because otherwise EU industry is fucked
>>2658315Also you know, the whole US thing
>>2658315Also also Canada-EU trade deal was provisionally applied even after referral to CJEU
>>2658314meat imports from Mercosur are limited to 1% of the european market and agricultural products 5%, the deal is heavily favored to euros and they're rejecting it anyway lmao. Farm industry subsidy hogs needs to go extinct
>>2658315>>2658327Why do we have pro free trade retards on here ?
>>2658328I thought China was based?
>>2658338Somehow I don't think making the Brazilians burn down the Amazon forest for larger exploitations is going to usher in world revolution.
Also if anything, the accords favor German Industry and weakens Europeans agriculture, the main result of it will be that food will be shittier and costlier, the main result of that is europeans getting fatter. So I guess Thirdwordists win again.
>>2658351>Somehow I don't think making the Brazilians burn down the Amazon forest for larger exploitations is going to usher in world revolution.what, only imperialist porky has the privilege of clear cutting entire forests now? sounds like a double standard to me
>Also if anything, the accords favor German Industry and weakens Europeans agricultureI'm just saying, if this deal was actually beneficial to europe it would've been signed the day it was proposed, instead of delaying it 27 years
>>2658381I don't think europeans should destroy their forests, but I really don't think you understand the ecological consequences of destroying the Amazone forest. But glad you'll side with the Brazilians settlers over the indigenous people of the Amazonas seeing their litteral home being destroyed to sell crap burgers to Mcdonalds in Europe, trully a worthwhile thing.
It favors German industry, letting them expand new markets, while destroying European agriculture, it took 27 years to sign due to opposition from farmers and countries with an important farming industry, like France, Ireland or Poland. It's harmfull for the european working class, as it makes them grow fat.
EU farmers are worthless subsidized welfare queens who cannot justify their own existance
>>2658438Thank god the forest burning bolsonarist farmers aren't reliant on welfare then.
>>2658398>But glad you'll side with the Brazilians settlers over the indigenous people of the Amazonas seeing their litteral home being destroyed to sell crap burgers to Mcdonalds in Europe, trully a worthwhile thing.Moralizing + Marx considered manifest destiny historically progressive + Latam agricultural industry already outcompetes european price points so there's no need to get all hysterical about 'burning forests down' before anything can be sold to europe lmao.
>It's harmfull for the european working classwhat would benefit european proles most of all is destroying Agriculture subsidies, 1000 euros are being gifted to farmers to grow 800 euros worth of sugar beets. If you really wanted euros to be skinny you'd want all the welfare queen farmers to quit farming xDDD
>>2658438i can justify their existence
>>2658460That's true, they aren't because due to their climate, geography, economy of scale and advanced biotechnology Mercosur can have massive farms which produce yields 2-3 times a year instead of shitty small disorganized unprofitable subsidy baby farms which will drag down into hell if they are given the chance
>>2658463european countries need to have control over their food production to ensure quality and supply even if it means overpaying slightly
Yes us Marxists understand that the rich chinese end europeans need our treats, therefore the poor brazilians who need currency should expel the backward savages and develop the land to accomplish the will of the beautiful market.
Just forget about imperialism dude, forget that artificial meat will make all of that stranded capital that destroyed irreplaceable natural resources in 10 years nerd, just think about the next quarter of GDP growth bro
Seriously (note my Eat the rich flag) EU farmers are worst pieces of shit on this world. The idea that leftists, let alone, marxist would defend these regressive reactionary petit bourgeois scum is illogical
As far as EU farmers are concerned if they don't like something it must be destroyed
>>2658479Domestic food production must always be maintained at some level for obvious reasons but these fuckers need to be forced to become more effective or perish
>>2658490> forget that artificial meat MOTHERFUCKER TRY TALKING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL MEAT TO AN EU FARMER THEN GET BACK TO ME
YOU SHOULD HATE THEM TOO
>>2658495The EU farmers are also mostly scum
>>2658463I don't think Marx would consider climate change as a positive, it's fairly obvious that this deal will just make the brasilian farmers produce more and more, and they need more land to produce. It also hurts the rest of brazilian society by making them more reliant on farming for their economy.
Europe has better standards in food quality then Latin america, if the food stop beings european then the food quality will be worse making people more unhealthy, particularly the poor. This deal only benefits rich brazilian farmers and european industrialists, even from a third worldist perspective, it makes Latin america reliant on Europe for their industry, how is that a good thing ? Dislike farmers if you want, but this is just retarded.
>>2658479>european countries need to have control over their food production to ensure quality and supplythe problem is 90% of euro citizens think this is literally communism. whatever happened to letting the market decide? oh right, free market doctrine was only listened to when the market was favorable to european industry. now that it isn't it's all "national security this, national security that!" bunch of hypocrites
Italy banned artificial meat because EU farmers asked them too
EU banned calling plant milk - milk and using terms like sausage or patty with vegan products because EU farmers asked them too
But sure these "people" will totally adapt and change instead of literally shitting up the streets with cow manure and screaming and crying until they get their way
>>2658499in typical euro fashion you disguise your love of the status quo by hiding behind the myth of the noble savage. "Latam shouldn't be able to develop and break free from imperialist bondage!" is what you are saying in actual practice. European porky would agree with you in actual practice.
>Europe has better standards in food quality then Latin america, if the food stop beings european then the food quality will be worse making people more unhealthy, particularly the poor. more disguised Chauvinism. You think european cattle held indoors 3-5 months of the year is preferable to Brazilian cattle outdoors eating grass year-round? What is this nonsense I'm reading? I honestly don't give a fuck how it effects the individual european worker, they are insignificant to the overall goal of putting us all in a place where communism can more easily be won, and that involves having the european and american continents weak and unable to compete on the global market. That's the only thing that matters. I hope every frenchman and woman gets obese from Brazilian steak honestly
>>2658500>free market doctrine was only listened to when the market was favorable to european industrywell duh, we're not running charities here
>>2658506those artificial products are all slop unfit for consumption btw
>>2658511Man you're such a retard, they use that land to make pesticide with soy and feed cows that are in even worse conditions because, shocker, there is less regulations than in the EU, damn cows not happily roaming in fields because the good savages of brazil respect the animals. You're also a fucking idiot for thinking developing extractive and cash crop industries in the south is somehow good development, functionally the same as a sneering western imperialist.
>>2658549Artificial meat never even got to the shelfs, anon
>>2658511>You think european cattle held indoors 3-5 months of the year is preferable to Brazilian cattle outdoors eating grass year-round?we're not capable of stopping brazilian farmers from using all sorts of bovaers so yeah it's a matter of security
>>2658563i've seen plenty of meat imitation products thanks
>>2658573why russia not birma, turkmenistan or sri lanka?
>>2658552Imports from Mercosur must legally meet European standards passing inspection tests, and with Europe only importing a 1% quota this process is quite simple. Good to see euro 'communists' here parroting the exact same argument their imperialist porky overlords are making. Euros might actually be the biggest crybabies on earth
>>2658575Artificial meat =/= Plant protein in meat shape
>>2658511If you want LATAM to devellop why do you want them to support their farming industry and become reliant on Europe for every other industry ? Why do you want the bolosonarist farmers to gain even more influence in the country ? Do you think they burn the amazone down for grazing land or something ? Brazilian cattle is also generally raised indoors, they burn the forest to raise more soy to feed the cattle. Also why do you, in one sentence, sya that you want LATAM to devellop and then in another one say that their continent should be weak ? Are you retarded ?
Again, why should the European or LATAM proletariat be in favor of a deal that fucks over them and benefits a handfull of German industrialists and Brazilian farmers.
Delusioned yuropoliticians are thinking they'll get something in return when Greenland inevitably becomes annexed to the US
Some of them think that after a democrat becomes elected the US problem will go away
Many people still think like this.
>>2658595wake me up when it actually happens
>>2658584>If you want LATAM to devellop why do you want them to support their farming industry and become reliant on Europe for every other industry ?it would be preferable if imperialist europe is a slave to latam agricultural products the same way the united states is a slave to chinese industrial products. These conditions are more favorable for socialist revolution in both groups of countries and indeed the world
>Also why do you, in one sentence, sya that you want LATAM to devellop and then in another one say that their continent should be weak ? Are you retarded ?read my post again, it clearly says 'america' as in the united states, not 'latin america'. You don't actually think north america is in mercosur do you? xDDD
>Again, why should the European or LATAM proletariat be in favor of a deal that fucks over them and benefits a handfull of German industrialists and Brazilian farmersit would be preferable if imperialist europe is a slave to latam agricultural products the same way the united states is a slave to chinese industrial products. These conditions are more favorable for socialist revolution in both groups of countries and indeed the world
>>2658580>inspection teststhis is about not having as many rules to follow during production, for example using pesticides that are illegal to use in the EU (despite being produced there funnily enough), because they are harmful to humans and nature. An end result inspection is functionally useless.
so no, inspection is fucking useless and it still fuck EU farmers competitivity
in short you're an uninformed moron
>>2658511>more disguised Chauvinism. >I honestly don't give a fuck how it effects the individual european worker,>I hope every frenchman and woman gets obese from Brazilian steak honestlylol
>>2658506just because the average farmer is a reactionary fuck with petty bourgeois mentality entirely supported by subsides doesnt mean everything they oppose is good.
personally im of the opinion that as they are paid for by public money already, there is 0 reason to not have the state seize everything and simply pay salaries for the production of high quality food consumed domestically, but that project is also in direct opposition with mercosur
>>2658623How is having Latin american industry relient on european industry any good ? Litterally the only industry in Latin America that benefits from this is agricultural, and the farmers are particularly reactionnaries there, this deal supports the Bolsonarists who are obviously not socialists, it also strenghtens German industrialists. I once again, don't see how this is worth destroying the amazonas and definitly worsening the conditions for both the entire region but also the world as a whole due to how vital this forest is.
You said "european and american continents" Latin America is obviously on the american continent.
>>2658639>it still fuck EU farmers competitivityexplain why you would want European farmers to be competitive on the global market? is it normal for euro socialists to go on cheerleading the bourgeois who exploit them?
>>2655168Sweden is the principal contradiction confirmed.
>>2658328Free trade is necessary to sharpening the contradictions.
>>2655069I mean I get what you mean but Nazi Germany very much was a thing. German occupation was not good.
Funny that /europol/ is so chauvinist when they are American vassals. The european is so arrogant that they refuse to acknowledge the yankee baseball bat tearing their anus.
>>2658650Latam is already reliant on industry from imperialist nations fool. It would be straight up beneficial for latam proles to get new technology to grow their own domestic industrial production and break their reliance on exploiters abroad. You say Free trade bad, but communist China now has a firm grip on the global economy through free trade. Let your farmers die or experience another 30 years of stagnation I don't care. Meanwhile the rest of the world will embrace positive change through hardship
>You said "european and american continents" Latin America is obviously on the american continent.this may be a regional thing, schools in the USA teach 7 continents
Europe is really screwed, this deal would be much more beneficial for them. It reads like an unequal treaty, it doesn't actually open the EU agricultural market and freezes Mercosur's already poor industrial capacities.
>>2658580The problem is that Latam agriculture porkies wholesale their products internationally due to ridiculously low wages there. That's bad for the wages within the agricultural sector over here as our farmers will either keep importing cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe or effectively stagnate and/or lower our wages using different means while they keep raising prices for their products which keeps fueling inflation.
Under capitalism "free trade" agreements are ALWAYS bad news for everyone but a couple haute bourgeois e.g. supermarket chain billionaires and such and stock msrket gamblers. Latam workers will not improve their situation, don't get their wages raised, because it's cheap labour and sheer mass that keeps prices low and demand for exports up. Now there's nothing wrong with importing products that just can't be produced here e.g. tropical fruits from Latam or Africa, however it doesn't make sense to basically outsource nutrient production entirely and import everything risking death of our own domestic agricultural sector and putting many lower class jobs at risk.
Also, i find the notion that some business agreement between a bunch of billionaires from different continents might somehow be more or less beneficial for socialism rather absurd.
>>2658338Fucking lmao, OK Mr neoliberal
>>2659215How does this happen? Why would you do this to yourself?
>>2658463>Marx considered manifest destiny historically progressivYeah and that was really fucking stupid.
The whole "historic progressive" schtick is easily one of the dumbest, infantile Marxist positions.
So the details of the plan are out. What do you guys think?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/01/21/revealed-trumps-greenland-deal/US to control parts of Greenland under Trump deal
>Plan will designate areas as sovereign bases, allowing America to perform military operations and intelligence
>The United States will control parts of Greenland by designating them as sovereign base areas under the terms of a proposed deal agreed in Davos.
>Under the deal, which mimics Britain’s agreement with Cyprus, American bases on the Arctic island would be considered US territory, The Telegraph understands.
>It would allow the US to perform military operations, intelligence and training, while also facilitating some local development, potentially including rare earth mining.
>The framework was agreed between Donald Trump and Mark Rutte, the Nato secretary-general on Wednesday evening, and will ease Danish fears that the US is preparing to annex the semi-autonomous region.
>The announcement came only hours after Mr Trump had demanded the immediate right to buy Greenland from Denmark during a meandering two-hour speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Well-placed sources told The Telegraph that the proposed deal stopped short of the sale of Greenland to the US.
>Mr Trump declined in a series of interviews to explain the terms of the deal but admitted the issue of ownership was a “little complex”.
>The US president also dropped his threat of punitive 10 per cent trade tariffs on the UK and other European countries who had refused to support his plan to annex Greenland.
>Mr Trump said he had agreed upon a “future framework” for Greenland and the “entire Arctic region” during a “very productive meeting” with Mr Rutte.
>Confirming the plan, a diplomatic source told The Telegraph: “The idea was to give Trump a deal.”
>The Cyprus-UK style plan is seen as a creative work-around to Mr Trump’s demands for ownership of the island, which he views as being strategically important to America’s defence.
>The terms of the UK’s agreement with Cyprus grants Britain sovereignty over two military bases for strategic purposes while allowing Cypriots within the areas rights similar to elsewhere in the Republic.
>The US is already permitted to build and operate military bases in Greenland while having unrestricted “freedom of operation” between designated defence areas, including air, land, and sea.
>In theory, the proposed new framework would allow the US to control parts of Greenland and potentially expand to mineral-rich areas which are coveted by Mr Trump.
>It also means that the US would not have to seek permits, such as planning permission.
>The proposal would also make it easier for the US to position assets belonging to its prospective Golden Dome there.
>Sources told The Telegraph that during their meeting with Mr Trump, Nato negotiators criticised Emmanuel Macron, the French president, and his “bazooka” language, in order to curry favour with the mercurial president.
>Mr Macron is among those most fiercely opposed to Mr Trump’s Greenland takeover threats and has argued for the use of the EU’s “bazooka” – blocking US companies from the continent’s internal market.
>Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, the president said: “It’s a deal that people jumped at, really fantastic for the USA, gets everything we wanted, including especially real national security and international security.”
>Mr Rutte said he had not discussed the key issue of Danish sovereignty over Greenland in his meeting with the US president.
>“He’s very much focused on what do we need to do to make sure that that huge Arctic region, where change is taking place at the moment, where the Chinese and Russians are more and more active, how we can protect that,” he said in a televised interview with Fox News on Wednesday night.
>Denmark, which is not thought to have been involved in the discussions so far, declined to give its approval. But on Wednesday, Lars Lokke Rasmussen, the Danish foreign minister, said that he welcomed Mr Trump’s decision to withdraw the threat of tariffs.
>Nato’s military leaders arrived in Davos this week with the aim to take the political heat of the rift between Europe and Washington.
>On Wednesday, Gen Alexus Grynkewich, Nato’s supreme allied commander in Europe, briefed his alliance counterparts on the threat assessment around Greenland and the wider Arctic.
>At a meeting in Brussels, he told his fellow generals there had not been a step change in the threat posed by Russia and China in the High North.
>But Gen Grynkewich did highlight gaps in the surveillance and detection of ballistic missiles as a particular concern.
>A Nato spokesman said: “The secretary-general had a very productive meeting with President Trump during which they discussed the critical significance of security in the Arctic region to all allies, including the United States.
>“Discussions among Nato allies on the framework the president referenced will focus on ensuring Arctic security through the collective efforts of allies, especially the seven Arctic allies. Negotiations between Denmark, Greenland, and the United States will go forward aimed at ensuring that Russia and China never gain a foothold – economically or militarily – in Greenland.”
>European Union leaders will still proceed with an emergency summit on Thursday, which was called to coordinate a response to the president’s threats over the Arctic island.
>But The Telegraph understands that Nato’s chiefs of defence staff in Europe had put plans for a military mission to Greenland on the back burner to allow for political tensions to subside.
>While some allies had pushed for an immediate deployment to the region, military chiefs decided that a mission would risk political escalation.
>Meanwhile, Wall Street stocks rose sharply after Mr Trump reversed course on the threat of a trade war, recovering from steep declines earlier in the week.>unrestricted “freedom of operation” between designated defence areas, including air, land, and sea
That's a full bridgehead for an aggressor that is very open about it's plans to eventually overtake and annex Greenland, including using military means.
>put plans for a military mission to Greenland on the back burner to allow for political tensions to subside.
>While some allies had pushed for an immediate deployment to the region, military chiefs decided that a mission would risk political escalation.
Cuck cuck cuck, as expected.
>>2659215>>2659262You don't understand. president Stubb's mind it vast and his wisdom too subtle for some peyon reporter. When he says Europe can defend itself without the americans, he doesn't actually mean that Europe can defend itself without the Americans. He expertly shuns the reporter with a slight hand movement, a smile and a sarcastic comment and shuts her down for being so foolish by even suggesting that there is a contradiction in his words.
>>2659299first lib who understood you need commies as your main political opposition in order to force the pigs to let you do state capitalism
>>2659215I still can't believe people actually voted for this guy, not like Haavisto was any better but did they really forget that quickly how awful he was in the Sipilä government. Now he's trying to pretend to be some grey eminence and our media is kissing his ass for it.
>>2659396>I still can't believe people actually voted for this guy, not like Haavisto was any betterStubb literally only won because he opponent was a literal faggot. (no offense, but fuck him too)
>>2659398Yeah true, but I also think it shows a greater problem of how absolutely cucked the finnish people are that they're wiling to vote for Orpo and then later this guy because the media tricks them into thinking we simply MUST do austerity and every smug self assured liberal falls for it because they fancy themselves to be a reasonable incrementalist who listens to "the expert" economists or we'll become the next greece. I guess I'm just saying I will never stop being amazed that people actually vote for Kokoomus.
>>2659396>>2659398I just watched:
>>2659378He seemed alright. He said some real stuff and smart stuff. I guess he's hawking his book and his theory on "Values based realism." Seemed like it was nothing new really, and just a way to openly be like "well I can't actually follow my values in words or actions, because sometimes you have to be a realist man!" I guess like it seems like just an elaborate excuse for pragmatism and acting like it's a new invention, but he kinda said some stuff. But as he said "there are things I can't say in public because of diplomacy" or whatever. Still he was pretty interesting to listen to and he is kinda charming. Seems like an okish guy.
>>2659406 me
>>2659404Also add I know nothing about him or the Finnish domestic politics or anything. The way he laid it out:
>In Finland, the president handles foreign policy, and the prime minister handles EU policy.Which I would've assumed includes domestic? He seemed to present that he only handles foreign policy.
>>2659406>Values based realism.He wants to have his cake and eat it too by trying to pretend we can keep some moral superiority as an "enlightened" nordic country but also that we have to align with the bloodthirsty american and israeli foreign policy. It's cope to try and pretend that facade of the "rules based" international order still exists.
>>2659407Well the finnish constitution states that the president leads foreign pollicy in conjuction with the state council (government), it's unclear wording that leads to a bit of a tug of war between the two institutions but in general the president is in charge as long as he doesn't start going off the rails.
As for why I don't like him it's beacuse he's a memebr of the neolib party and was part of the first attempt to impose auterity in finland as part of the sipilä goverment (before he was also the prime minister of his own rump government after the previous pm jumped ship and abandoned finland to become an eu official) before the absolute nightmare that our current goverment is. After the sipilä goverment he ran off to italy to be a professor and then returned only when offered the presidential candidacy by his party and as the other finn anon said won cause the other candidate was a gay guy.
>>2659236>The problem is that Latam agriculture porkies wholesale their products internationally due to ridiculously low wages there. not a problem at all unless you own a farm
>That's bad for the wages within the agricultural sector over here as our farmers will either keep importing cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe or effectively stagnate and/or lower our wages using different means while they keep raising prices for their products which keeps fueling inflation.What would happen is capitalism finally runs its course and gets rid of the European agricultural sector entirely as these jobs would not exist without subsidies. That's a good and positive development. Maybe proles in Europe will finally have a revolution when all the jobs inevitably get taken away. The endpoint of capitalism was ALWAYS the jobs all getting innovated away, europes stupid protectionism measures are only delaying the inevitable. Why on earth would anyone want European stable? Let Latam porky run the imperialists out of business so their proles can actually stand up and do something 🤣🤣🤣
>>2659261uh oh someone needs to brush up on theory
Engels:
>Protection is at best an endless screw, and you never know when you have done with it. By protecting one industry, you directly or indirectly hurt all others, and have therefore to protect them too. By so doing you again damage the industry that you first protected, and have to compensate it; but this compensation reacts, as before, on all other trades, and entitles them to redress, and so on ad infinitum.
>Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.Free trade is inevitable for Europe if it wants to be competitive on the global market
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/ euro 'leftists' are shocked that the neoliberal eu is taking neoliberal measures
>>2659483>free trade in 1888 is the same as free trade todayyou aware that little things like capital controls still existed in that old "free trade", and the modern globalization was still very far away right? you also noticed all the industrial powerhouse states built up afterwards used protectionism to build it up Im sure?
>>2659467>gets rid of the European agricultural sector entirely. That's a good and positive development. Im sure both the europeans loosing food security and the other countries relying on cheap agricultural imports will be very happy about this development. One of the biggest tool of imperialism and neocolonialism is food needing to be imported.
But why would workers want food security anyway? anything that hurt workers is good because it makes a theoretical revolution (that you're not anywhere near building) closer.
>jobs all getting innovated away90% of farmer jobs have already been "innovated away", this is about concentrating agro industry towards more environmentally harmful, more centralized in a globalized world, less healthy and more profitable prospects.
>>2659518>you aware that little things like capital controls still existed in that old "free trade"incorrect, pre-1914 Germany had no capital controls and was a major capital exporter
>you also noticed all the industrial powerhouse states built up afterwards used protectionism to build it up Im sure?communist China has free trade and it went from poorer than sub-sahara africa in the 90's to controlling the global economy in less than 30 years
>One of the biggest tool of imperialism and neocolonialism is food needing to be imported. You have it backwards. European neo-colonialism involves exporting european grain to countries like Africa in exchange for cash crops that can't be grown in europe. Africa can grow both, it doesn't need european grain, it would be beneficial for the world if the euros stopped exporting agricultural products that everyone grows cheaper automatically
>But why would workers want food security anyway? anything that hurt workers is good because it makes a theoretical revolution (that you're not anywhere near building) closer.show me a revolution that involves fat, happy and secure proletarians OK with the status quo. i can wait
>this is about concentrating agro industry towards more environmentally harmful, more centralized in a globalized world, less healthy and more profitable prospectsno this is about saving unproductive industry in a part of the world where it shouldn't exist. Try reading Lenin to understand why centralization is good
>but we'll get less healthy!!!!>but latam porky will make money from us!!!!!!>but cows and sugar beets from foreign lands are not grown ethically!!!! we are an ethical peoples!!!!!euros have been forcing their products on the rest of the world for centuries but the moment it happens to them they start crying and shaking. What a coincidence that these are the SAME ARGUMENTS european porky make when he has to compete with foreigners. Thems the breaks.
>>2659529>communist China has free tradenta but no? Communist china for example blocked or restrained certain internet and tech companies from competiting in china (great firewall).
While on one hand this was for national security purposes in the other hand this pretty much helped chinese tech companies.
>>2659537America has 14 active free trade agreements, China has 23, almost double
>>2659542that doesnt change the fact selective trade protectonism works? Nations can choose a mixture of protectonism and free trade. It depends on the industry, the time, and the context. China for example as I pointed in my example did engage in free trade but still used protectonism in certain key strategic industries.
>>2659537yup solar panels and car battery were also so heavily subsidised nobody on the planet can compete with them in that domain
>>2659544if you wanna be needlessly pedantic about it than sure, every nation can benefit from both free trade and protectionism depending on their long term goals. I'm not saying protectionism is bad in every scenario, the point of the argument was to do away with the notion that the agribusiness industry in europe is worth saving. There's no point in protecting it since it can't even compete at a global price point with top tier tech, subsidies and trade protection all contributing
>>2659550>point of the argument was to do away with the notion that the agribusiness industry in europe is worth saving. There's no point in protecting it since it can't even compete at a global price point with top tier tech, subsidies and trade protection all contributingwhich is why I specified im not that anon. i wasnt arguing with you on this. I was just disagreeing with the whole china became rich with free trade idea. China also used protectonism to develop key industries.
>>2659549true
>>2659553China would not be as rich as it was today without free-trade and open markets, that's just a fact. Dengs reforms are what gave them control over the global economy (see the threats they made about export controls on rare earths). nobody in their right mind would say China got rich from the Great Firewall lmao, but it certainly helped
>>2659558>China would not be as rich as it was today without free-trade and open marketsBut china also became rich because their infant industry protectonism made strategetic industries competitive in those same open markets. Opening up markets can lead to wealth i agree but becoming competitive in those markets through the use of protectonism (to build up infant industries) helps a lot too
>it certainly helpedyes. Both protectonism and free trade work together to make china rich. They work hand to hand
>>2659558>>2659553>>2659550>>2659549the PRC, just like 19th and 20th Century Britain, used a combination of Free Trade and Protectionism in a way which benefits them.
When Britain could flood the colonies with their cheaper goods, they extolled Free Trade. When German Industry was in a position to do the same to Britain, Britain then engaged in full protectionism with the home country.
Wield both the long and short sword as the situation demands, and you will win. Be a vassal like Europe and Japan, and you will lose.
>>2659529> What a coincidence that these are the SAME ARGUMENTS european porky make You are arguing the EXACT SAME arguments EU, Latam and other haute bourgeois make for fucking with worker's conditions this entire thread, what's more you are arguing FOR worsening the living living standard of workers in general. You're either a neolib troll, bourgeois shill or a massive retard. In any case i recommend you shoot yourself in the foot so you can run faster towards socialism or even better, go ahead and kill yourself.
>>2659587>what's more you are arguing FOR worsening the living living standard of workers in generalwhat part of turning the inevitable "imperialist war" into a "civil war" don't you understand? It's never going to get better until things get worse
>>2659529>pre-1914 Germany had no capital controls wrong, they had capital control. Not as much as afterward, but it still existed. And it also had tariffs anyway, so it certainly wasnt free trade in the modern sense
>communist China has free trade lmao no it absolutely hasnt, one of the most common accusation against china for the last 20 years was that they werent playing the fair free trade game with all their rules and controls
they also became the industrial powerhouse of the world, but thats not "controlling the global economy", the west still have the upper hand on that front
>European neo-colonialism involves exporting european grain to countries like Africa in exchange for cash crops that can't be grown in europe. well yes, thats exactly what I just said. And another reason why free trade is bad.
>Africa can grow bothyes, Im sure egypt or saudi arabia can easily grow enough to feed their population. Oh shit no they cant even if they wanted.
But anyway thats just missing the point : is africa in a political position to stop cash crops and feed itself instead? no. If euro stopped exporting, would these countries feed themselves? no, other exporters would replace it, because the problem is precisely that neocolonialism rely on imposing free trade to destroy local agro markets and replace them with export oriented cash crops, to the detriment of the state stability and independence.
>everyone grows cheaper automaticallywhat? the reason it destroy local markets is because the massively and subsidized industrialized agroproduction imports cant be competed by local farmers who have to turn to cash crops instead
> i can waitso you conclude that bad things are actually good because people need to be discontent for change. So I guess you support the worst neolib policies possible because who knows if the discontent it creates might lead to a revolution one day?
thats so ridiculously childish and out of touch with reality and real struggle, embarrassing really. I knew already you were a retard, but that here is worse than simple stupidity.
>saving unproductive industry you think euro farmers are "unproductive" because they respect bare minimum environmental regulation? another banger from mister "things must be as bad as possible"
>why centralization is goodAnd you keep championing neo colonialism, because one day the global world gov will just seize everything (you just know it, given how bad things are going to be thanks to your work), so no matters what happens before! And no matters its just a profit optimization thing and that in a communist society that prioritize high quality food rather than high quantity exports, we should do a lot more of local food production rather than keeping up the centralization
>the moment it happens to them they start crying and shakingdamn, how surprising, its just like people like to invade but dont like getting invaded, who would have thought?
>>2659666>damn, how surprising, its just like people like to invade but dont like getting invaded, who would have thought?Lenin was a revolutionary defeatist. Crybaby euros are frightened of their inability to compete in their own market. Just be honest and admit you'd rather have your domestic bourgeois and imperialist industry be strong, rather than weak. You are bribed by the welfare state after all.
>>2659563>Behave, or else!<Or else what? >Or else I may do a symbolic act with no consequences Is there a single person in the world that respect the EU?
>>2658309>Farmers protest against laws that will make them brokeYeah? And this is bad?
>>2659694They should go broke, be bought out and consolidated into bigger more effective farms tho
>Venezuela’s Delcy Rodríguez assured US of cooperation before Maduro’s capture
>Exclusive: sources say powerful figures in the regime secretly told US and Qatari officials they would welcome Maduro’s departureBefore the US military snatched Venezuela’s president, Nicolás Maduro, earlier this month, Delcy Rodríguez and her powerful brother pledged to cooperate with the Trump administration once the strongman was gone, four sources involved at high levels with the discussions told the Guardian.
Rodríguez, who was sworn in on 5 January as acting president to replace Maduro, and her brother Jorge, the head of the national assembly, secretly assured US and Qatari officials through intermediaries ahead of time that they would welcome Maduro’s departure, according to the sources.
The communications between US officials from Delcy Rodríguez, who was then Maduro’s vice-president, began in the fall and continued after Trump and Maduro spoke in a crucial phone call in late November, the Guardian has learned, in which Trump insisted that Maduro leave Venezuela. Maduro rejected the demand.
By December, one American who was involved told the Guardian that Delcy Rodríguez told the US government she was ready: “Delcy was communicating ‘Maduro needs to go.’
“She said, ‘I’ll work with whatever is the aftermath,’” another person familiar with the messages said.
The sources say Marco Rubio, Trump’s secretary of state and national security adviser, at first a skeptic about working with regime elements, came to believe that Delcy Rodríguez’s promises were the best way to prevent chaos once Maduro was gone.
The pledge of cooperation by Delcy and Jorge Rodríguez before the Maduro raid has not been previously reported. In October, the Miami Herald reported on abortive negotiations via Qatar, in which Delcy offered to act as a transitional government chief if Maduro stepped down.
Reuters reported on Sunday that Diosdado Cabello,the powerful Venezuela interior minister, who controls police and security forces, had also been in discussions with the US at a point months before the Maduro operation.
All the sources say there was a fine distinction to the agreement by Delcy Rodríguez: while the Rodríguez family promised to assist the US once Maduro was gone, they did not agree to actively help the US to topple him. The sources insist this was not a coup engineered against Maduro by the Rodríguez siblings.
Hours after the raid, Trump appeared to confirm the talks. He told the New York Post that Delcy Rodríguez was onboard. “We’ve spoken to her numerous times, and she understands, she understands.”
The Venezuelan government did not respond to emailed questions concerning this story. The White House did not respond to detailed questions.
There were many official talks between Trump officials and the Maduro-led Venezuelan government happening on top of the backchannel conversations.
Maduro himself met with Ric Grenell, a top Trump aide, just 10 days after Trump’s inauguration, to discuss US prisoners, who were quickly released.
Key Trump aides continued official talks with Jorge and Delcy Rodríguez quite often, to coordinate, for example, the bi-weekly flights of Venezuelans deported from the US, according to two sources familiar with the talks. There was a barrage of issues that had to be solved: where the deportation flights would land, the status of Venezuelans imprisoned in El Salvador and political prisoners that could be released.
Meanwhile Delcy Rodríguez retained very close personal ties with Qatar, where members of the ruling family considered her a friend, according to sources familiar with their relationship. Qatar, a key ally of the US, donated a $400m luxury jet for Trump’s use in an unprecedented gift from a foreign country to a president. It used the good will it had in Trump’s White House to open more doors for Rodríguez in secret negotiations, two of the sources said.
As the Miami Herald reported in October, Rodríguez tried to propose a transition government, led by her, that would rule Venezuela if Maduro agreed to a prearranged retirement in a presumed safe-haven. The plan fell through, and Rodríguez fiercely denounced the story, but key Americans began to think she was far from a two-dimensional dogmatic leader.
Those who know her describe a figure with disarming quirks that help her form bonds easily. She drinks champagne, has a private ping-pong coach and a tendency to challenge foreign dignitaries to games.
By October, sources say, in secret, even the Americans who were most aggressive against Maduro were open to working with her.
One factor was her promise to work with American oil, and her acquaintance with Americans in the oil business. “Delcy is the most committed to working with US oil,” an ally of hers said.
The sources said Mauricio Claver-Carone, a former Trump special envoy for Latin America who still had the ear of Marco Rubio despite being out of government, was one key backer.
The main goal for the US was stability once Maduro was out, given the predictions of civil war and chaos. Another of the sources said “the biggest thing was trying to avoid a failed state”.
It wasn’t until late fall that Delcy Rodríguez and her brother actually engaged in discussions with the US behind Maduro’s back.
Maduro spoke to Trump on the phone in November, and by the next week it was clear Maduro would not leave.
For Delcy Rodríguez it was a delicate dance. At the same time they made the offer, the sources say she did not agree to actively betray Maduro. “She feared him,” said one official familiar with the events.
When the US attack helicopters flew into Caracas in early January, Delcy Rodríguez was nowhere to be found. Rumors spread that she had fled to Moscow, but two sources say she was on Margarita Island, a Venezuelan vacation spot.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/22/delcy-rodriguez-capture-maduro-venezuelaNew info
>>2659740They did something like that in France a few decade ago. Administrators who used only old and innacurate maps decided to just take the land of the peasans and to give it to the most complying farmers so they could modernize.
It was not a very popular moment.
>>2659870And some anons here got really upset when you pointed out that Rodriguez and co had clearly sold out Maduro and stuck a deal with the Burgerreich…
>>2659558Being "rich" has nothing to do with having le skyscrapers and producing a lot of commodities, the USSR also took this position and it fucked them over in the long run.
>all this vegan shilling in the labor aristocrat general #2
Not surprised.
>>2660604Get lost /pol/. Back when the SPD was still the party of revolutionary communists rather than a cesspool of porky dick riding bourgeois liberals it was by far the strongest political force in Germany that both bourgeoisie and aristocracy feared. Thanks to massive popular support in the late 19th and early 20th century there was a constant threat of an actual successful revolution taking place which would sweep both the monarchy and the bourgeoisie away. That's why Bismarck agreed to the demands of the worker's movement and introduced the welfare state (actually a worldwide novum) in the early 1880s here. Communists and Socialists forced him to do it and he did it to calm unrest and avoid an immediate revolution, not because he really cared about the working class. Bismarck was as reactionary as it can get but he was not stupid and willing to compromise. Same goes for Wilhelm II. That being said, in hindsight the Prussian monarchy and also the monarchy in my region were less cancerous and hostile to working class interests than the bourgeoisie/liberals as they would occassionaly side with the working class against the worst bourgeois. Bourgeois liberals, bourgeois conservatives, succdems/neolibs and fascists never did and never will because they all just want to become haute bourgeoisie themselves.
>>2660608> I am too much of a spineless,comfortable hack to admit that cattle industries are an existential problem so i will just project and use this term which i do not understand but sounds smart (while eating burgers)Kys
>>2659681>admit you'd rather have your domestic bourgeois and imperialist industry be strong, rather than weakwell yes, we need industry to collectivize, thats kinda the whole point of the communist project
you're really a stupid fucker
>>2662129>we need (imperialist) industry to collectivize (at the expense of industry in the periphery)fixed that for you
>>2662171Why are you retards like this
>>2662076is it the cattle industry as much as it is industry in the first place? Soybean and cane plantations are as harmful environmentally as the cattle industry. Many reason for this: Subjecthood for humans means that everything around us are objectified, and the collapse of the ritual order means that the only avenue for states to gain legitimacy is by providing as much cheap goods as possible. Noone is seriously attempting degrowth
>>2662194Guess what? Soybeans are in no small part used to feed the cattle.
>>2662194 >>2662171>(imperialist) industryimagine being such a moron you unironically spout shit like that
>>2664845is there even such a thing?
>>2664845multiple ones even but they're all but thinly veiled political platforms for diasporas
Does anyone have information about farmers so I can shit on these fuckers infornatedly?
Long live mercosur and blackcock
>>2670410Large argo industry organizations:
Key Organizations: Copa-Cogeca (EU-wide umbrella), FNSEA (France), DBV (Germany), ASAJA (Spain).
Primary Incentive (The "Why"): Market Protection & Profit.
The Nationalists Organizations:
Coordination Rurale (CR) (France), Farmers Defence Force (Netherlands), Solidarity (Poland).
Primary Incentive (The "Why"): Sovereignty. These groups farmers who view the EU as a globalist threat to their existence.
The Left Organizations:
European Coordination Via Campesina (ECVC), Confédération Paysanne (France), FUGEA (Belgium), ABL (Germany).
Primary Incentive (The "Why"): System Change. They oppose the industrial globalization model of agriculture entirely.
>>2664845Social Democrats, Leftist United Front Party, 3 Communist Parties
>>2670422Thanks you much, I will look into some of them
Do you know any statistic about them being welfare queens and less effient than blackrocks farms?
>>2670429The protesting farmers are effectively "welfare queens" but the system is designed that way by the EU to maintain food security.
61.5% of the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) budget (€189 billion) is allocated to "Direct Income Support."
The dependency is most extreme in the beef sector. In countries like France and Ireland, subsidies often constitute 100% of net income.
——
Highly mechanized operations allow one person with a GPS-guided tractor to manage 500+ hectares. The peasant model has high labor input per hectare. The Corporate model wins. Economies of scale allow them to negotiate lower costs for inputs like fertilizer and seed.
>>2670429there are no 'blackrock farms' in europe because it's generally illegal for farms to collectivize, for example in France farms have to be below a certain size to operate. that means europes inefficiency with agriculture is baked into law
>>2653642The US vs every other NATO power was not on my bingo card a couple of years ago
The next war will be US-Israel axis of evil vs EU, Russia, China allied powers
>>2670478It should still not be on your bingo, it isn't going to happen. Our bourgeois are dogs and when they democrats return, a more "sensate" republican leader or our countries get AfD, La Pene, VOX, more Meloni they will be proud of never turning to China and saying it is all good
>>2670478all this talk of the us-eu alliance falling apart is massive cope. every single eurocuck and us satellite had been so far firm in their commitment to nato, they've simply been framing their continued policy of austerity and militarism in nationalist terms. there's no tension or real action - in fact, they are deepening their military ties to the united states
>>2670483>it isn't going to happendon't be so certain. if the lib establishment is unwilling or unable to act in its own interests the european people will eventually find someone who will lol
>>2670492i wish i could be as optimistic as kautsky. all of this means that social democracy (in part his and the second internationale's legacy) is going to be torn apart completely for the sake of maintaining imperialism and profit rates
>>2670487Except NATO is bound to protect Greenland from any kind of military incursion
>>2670498My point is that to believe an inter-imperialist alliance can exist indefinitely is just Kautsky's theory of superimperialism. Calling this split between Europe and America fake is demanding that we ignore not just the reality of imperialism (inter-imperialist competition and redivision of the world) but also basic Marxist principles. It requires us to believe that the European ruling class will for no reason stick to an alliance that now works against their most elementary economic and geopolitical interests, despite there being nothing compelling them to stay.
>>2670521What reprisals? What can the Americans possibly do to them without also hurting themselves equally? Between the UK and France Europe as a nuclear arsenal comparable to China's, and economically the EU is roughly the size of the US itself. The only area where the balance of power is really one sided is in conventional military might, but nukes render that of limited significance.
>>2670494>european people will eventually find someone who will lolIdk if I want this, it will probably be fascists
>>2670511the alliance with america is still beneficial to the european bourgeoisie. they may be able to renegotiate trade, but spending more on the military and destroying social democracy is something they've tried to do for decades meeting stiff resistance from europeans. now they are able to portray this as a necessity for sovereignty because big bad orange man larped about stealing greenland from its rightful colonizers
>>2670530It's not a larp dude.
Nuuk will get the same treatment as Caracas. Nielsen will get the same treatment as Maduro.
>>2670530>now they are able to portray this as a necessity for sovereignty because big bad orange man larped about stealing greenland from its rightful colonizersAll available information about the Greenland debacle indicates that it wasn't at all a LARP and that it was completely serious.
>>2670511>It requires us to believe that the European ruling class will for no reason stick to an alliance that now works against their most elementary economic and geopolitical interestsAll big western countries signed Plaza records and killed their own economic growth. What western bourgeois gain is the support of the global center of reaction in their ongoing struggle against their own people and as such their very existence. That why Russia and Iran are so cucked too. Any bourgeois state always keeps in mind that they could need the support in the future like Yeltsin did.
>>2670596>What western bourgeois gain is the support of the global center of reaction in their ongoing struggle against their own people and as such their very existenceThat's not a gain, they've never needed the US for this except maybe during the early days of the cold war when socialism had real support among many Europeans. There is no serious left in Europe, so there would be no point in endangering their own security in exchange for protection from a threat that doesn't exist.
>>2670576Yeah I agree it was not a larp, trump just actually met real discipline from haute bourgeoisie like you said. A hard limit to US state power. International trade must flow, all systems have adapted to this paradigm, and now we as a species depend on it for subsistence.
>>2670614Yeah, I have no doubt that the security and foreign policy establishment in the US as well as Europe watched that whole fiasco with horror and their intervention is the most likely explanation for Trump backing down. The question still remains though whether the Europeans view this as a bridge too far, and that the Americans are now permanently untrustworthy. Keep in mind though that this may not appear so clear cut even if the Euros do feel that way. As anti-campists are quick to point out, even the bitterest of enemies like Iran and the US will occasionally cooperate if they feel that it is in there interest to do so. Even Europe for all its bluster about Russia is still buying their oil through third parties. So even if the split is real, we may continue to see some cooperation between Europe and the US.
>>2670639My question is HOW did they discipline the administration? What was the specific vulnerability(s) they leveraged? Was it just "listen, this won't work, you'll make no money" and it came from people he knew were powerful enough to convince him? Was it financial leverage? Or was there a threat to push the Epstein shit through the media and press the European "manufacture consent" button to crush his political viability? Because as we've seen, the power of social media is immense if coordinated in full.
But either way, we have no idea what kind of discussion (clearly) took place on that plane when he was "switching" and therefore late to the WEF speech
>>2670731Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the Pentagon brass simply told him that they would refuse any order to invade Greenland.
Bro the breaking of Atlanticism has been predicted since at least a decade. It's not a new development.
>>2670742Tbf there have been other predicted breaks in the imperialist camp that never came to fruition. A lit of people in the 80s predicted that Japan would emerge again as an independent power and challenge the US for dominance in East Asia.
>>2670740>invade GreenlandThat phrase just sounds so funny. Dogsledding an ice sheet.
>>2670778Greenland is the only country that the US paper tiger military can actually win against.
European Arms Production Overtaking the U.S.
<Significant increases in European defense spending are rapidly strengthening the continent's arms industry.
<Although production remains more fragmented than in the United States, experts estimate that Europe is moving quickly toward operational self-sufficiency.
<Europe already outpaces the U.S. in the production speed and volume of several key assets, including artillery shells, main battle tanks, and naval vessels. For instance, Germany's Rheinmetall is expected to soon produce 1.5 million artillery shells annually, exceeding the total production capacity of the entire U.S. defense industry.
<Furthermore, giants like Italy's Leonardo and missile manufacturer MBDA have multiplied their staff and output since 2022.
<Investor interest in the sector has surged, with European nations spending over €470 billion on defense last year. By 2035, European equipment procurement is projected to reach 80% of U.S. levels.
<Significant hurdles remain, however: Europe remains dependent on the U.S. and Israel for stealth aircraft, long-range drones, satellite capabilities, and missile defense.
<Matthew Savill, a researcher at the RUSI think tank, notes that while Europe is capable of arming itself, production volumes and quality still require further development.https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/europes-1-trillion-race-to-build-back-its-defense-industry-db8ca1d6 >warsaw pacts invades itself for decades and does not dissolve
>nato can't even invade itself once without starting to dissolve
stalinists stay winning
>>2670949If Europe become self sufficient in defense then its ogre for the transatlantic alliance. The only thing that might keep the Europeans in line despite US aggression against them is military dependence on America, specifically in relation to Russia. If that dependence disappears then they truly have zero reason to stick around.
>>2670639if by cooperation you mean the US comes for like the tenth time to say "you should nationalize this chinese company/drop the deal you made with another country and we will give you more " etc then never actually fulfill their end of the deal,I agree
>>2671208No I mean in the sense of still occasionally seeing diplomatic alignment, trade, or even some military cooperation. People tend to think of international relations in absolute terms, as if two states being enemies means they are antagonistic on all issues and in all situations. However this simply isn't the case, and whether two states are "allies" or "enemies" is simply a rough description of how frequently their interests align or conflict. E.g. just because Iran cheered when the US invaded Iraq and toppled their enemy Saddam doesn't erase all the other issues they were in conflict over, which were the vast majority of them.
>>2671000what's the matter?
>>2671204The most key aspect in defence is still nuclear weapons not conventional weaponry used in proxy wars. EU lacks these capabilities outside of France.
>>2672004Liberal googoo gaga
"Tyrannical regimes"
"Justify"
Philosophers think too highly of themselves
Hello sartre this is brezhnev. Permission to repress the innocent sir?
>>2677238Yay! I love nukies!!!
>>2677238But when Korea did it…
>>2673756Based
>>2677238Expecting Iran and DPRK level sanctions, surely they will happen
Death to EU
Death to NATO
>>2677238Don't worry guys, the transatlantic alliance is still strong, Europe will never attempt strategic independence from the US, nothing ever happens. Look elsewhere.
>>2678596You are a fascist.
>>2678602sorry porky but its true, capitalisms failure is inevitable
>>2679063"from Russia" could mean "from Russian oligarchs" and not that it is Putin and the Russian government doing it. westoids think Russians are a monolith and everything that comes "from Russia" does so at Putin's orders/approval. there's no variation in thought and opinion among 140 million people!
>>2684884Every Russian is obviously a clone of Putin just as every Pissraeli is a clone of Epstein and every American is a clone of trump
>>2671204>If Europe become self sufficient in defense Europe is not a monolith, the idea they will somehow work together on military shit is laughable, France will be annexing Belgium in a decade and Germany will invade Poland again or some shit.
If the EU accomplished anything it is showing that Europe is incapable of cooperation
>>2684884events in ukraine has written extensively about the pro-western nationalist/monarchists faction
>Malofeev represents a devious fifth column in the Russian elite who wish to transform the country into a pro-western monarchy under the cover of ultranationalist super-patriotism. But with the end result of a geopolitically docile white Saudi Arabia, if you will. Or maybe, more accurately, a white Pakistan.>Unable to challenge Putin directly - or whatever Kremlin tower ‘Putin’ represents -, their chosen political technology is Malofeev: mystical monarchist ultranationalism in theory, enswampment in debilitating wars in practice. Pulling Russia into wars it cannot win, with the end goal of humiliating Putin and making it possible to perform a coup d’etat with the right people, such as Prigozhin. Euromaidan with Russian characteristics, as one Donetsk analyst I will cite puts it.>But the Malofeev network certainly seems to hint at the formation of a Global North alliance. In bed from the start of his business career with a dark alliance of American private equity firms, Fox News commentators and anglosaxon Christian identitarians, Malofeev is uniquely positioned to accomplish his oft-stated goal of totally destroying all remnants of the Soviet project in Russia, both in socio-economic and geopolitical terms.>In short, some in Russia believe that under the mask of ultra-patriotic anti-western militarist rhetoric, Malofeev and co are actually set on destabilizing Russia as a coherent strategic enemy to NATO, with the ultimate goal of setting up a pro-western puppet monarchy.https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-malofeev-multiversehttps://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-swastika-and-the-cross-malofeevthey are also linked to people like Jackson Hinkle, and some of the alt-media youtubers and retired ex-CIA analysts that became popular after 2022.
>>2655138Best sponsors for the EU ever
>>2655065You really underestimate how terminally yank our bourg class is. Rallying for.nationalism here is sure way to end up in fascist groups (which often are a foreign puppet anyway)
See Rizzo
https://www.lordinenuovo.it/2022/07/27/la-strategia-reazionaria-di-marco-rizzo-il-chiaroscuro-in-cui-nascono-i-mostri/Tbh I would be surprised if the present EU ends up as precursor to a future state like the Cisalpine Repubblic or the Rinhe Confederation
>>2658309May the Rothschild rape those fuckers.
Surviving off state subsidies while using slave labour and jacking up prices.
>>2658491At the bare minimum we need to wipe out the small fries and force them to actually fuckimg industralize instead of relying on slave and underpaid labour
https://ilcaffe.tv/articolo/223872/latina-braccianti-agricoli-costretti-al-saluto-fascista-il-caso-in-parlamentoI've never seen or heard of a poor farmer
EU farmers are welfare queens.
>>2658506No.it's way more retarded than that. They banned the production of articial meat, but not the selling of it.
So you can setup a factory in slovenia, sell all of the produce in italy and make money while we get gutted
>>2658623> These conditions are more favorable for socialist revolution in both groups of countries and indeed the worldOh if only the last 50 years didn't indicate the exact opposite
Pro-EU 'leftists' are in fact Great European chauvinists. EU is the successful implementation of Hitler's Germanic-led white Europe.
>>2684946still a good opportunity to dissolve the bonds between nations though
>>2659608Just rallying for things to get worse won't bring you anything, as the last 50 years have shown
>>2684946That tells us nothing and whitewashes Hitler's regime
>>2670454Little porky trying to stifle local competition
>>2684950bonds or borders you mean?
>>2684956>whitewashes Hitler's regimethat's what EU has been doing for a long time now Moffinelli
The future belongs to Islam. You europollers are a dying breed. Convert before it is too late.
>>2684984i think islam is too reactionary
>>2684984The future is an endless proxy war between CIA groomed islamists and literally every one else, including NATO. The GWoT spans to the horizon of history, tearing through the fantasies of diminishing rates of profit.
>>2685227Yeah, and it will win because there is no 'Left'anymore. The ground is fertile for islamic retardation.
>>2685255well, maybe once manufacturing moves back to europe one day
china doesn't like islamists, so at least they exist
islam will probably die one day too, anyway
Unique IPs: 101