/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

USA's brownshirts

>>2655099
I used to call them feds but now I'm coming over to the idea that they mean what they say.


Basically in america if you express disapproval of the horrible imperialist things the US government does, you get called "unAmerican" which you and I wear as a badge of honor. but if you try to reach out to these anons, as an American who disapproves of your government, they understandably don't believe you. They see you as a "dishonset American" instead of "unAmerican" and you're holding out your "bloodstained hand" and so on.

For these guys, and I get why they feel this way, if you're American, and you haven't died fighting for Communism, you aren't a real Communist, just a poser. That's the bar they hold you to. Because America already made so many people die for Communism it's only fair, in their eyes, that the "dishonest" Americans who claim to be Communist should be on the front lines, fighting the "honest" Americans, to prove themselves.

So I understand it. But they don't want us to simply "understand" it obviously. They want us to prove them wrong. If we succeed, great, if we fail, that's one less American they have to worry about.

So I get why they talk this way. It's basically recruitment.

>>2655091
Who was talking about russia?

>>2655103
Honestly, if that’s how they feel, then they’re hypocrites

>>2655091
>the euros were vassals they would've handed the island over to trump the first time he asked in 2019
Historically, vassalage was never as simple as king controls everyone no questions asked. There was always fights over what exactly vassals had to do, especially before monarchs centralized the state.
Anyway, EU being under America's thumb doesn't necessarily mean they will obey everything immediately. There will back and forth setting out what the terms are behind the scenes. The EU is fundamentally dependent on the US economically and militarily while Russia looms over them at the same time so there will be some concession.

>>2655105
Yeah but I've basically accepted that hypocrisy is the essence of power. To wield power is to disallow others to do the things that you do, and to hold others to standards that you don't hold yourself. They want power over the people who have held power over them for so long, so that manifests as hypocrisy. Of course they have double standards. When two people struggle over a knife, one gets to hold the handle, and the other is forced to hold the blade.

>>2655105
I don't think this guy is dishonest, for what it's worth

>>2655100
they're pro-cop, see >>2655084

>>2655127
>mass tor bait
that picture proves nothing, and neither does the video in the OP, which suggests the opposite. you cannot take individual moments and anecdotes and pretend they are the "average" scenario

>>2655127
tbh i do not doubt that a watered down and revised form of black panthers would surge/emerge based on the american education system. and how the BPP program would be watered down to "black communitarism and intersectionalism" when the BPP at 60s not only held intersectional but anti-revisionist marxist stances.

>>2655136
Well we already had the "New Black Panthers" who were accused of being revisionist, but idk if the guys in the OP video are the same as them. I really don't know about all the groups claiming lineage from the black panthers but there's several of them from what I understand.

I've often thought about the US prison system, how much more brutal it is than even the most absurd propaganda about the soviet gulags, and meanwhile even in Tsarist Russia, revolutionaries were often exiled to villages in Siberia where they easily escaped. Imagine if Fred Hampton were simply exiled to… idk… Alaska or something, instead of killed by the FBI. I don't want to say the Bolsheviks had it easy. They definitely didn't. But it's remarkable how many revolutionaries crucial to October 1917 were repeatedly exiled to Siberia instead of executed. Lenin's older brother was executed, but that's because he tried to partake in an actual assassination against the head of state, and even then, some of his co-conspirators were pardoned. Compare exile to a village in Siberia to the US prison system, which is full of rape, torture, gangs, racism, solitary confinement, and literal slavery.

>>2655104
Russia was partly responsible for the death of NATO, as they're both crushing it on the battlefield and outproducing them in arms like artillery shell production. the DPRK produces and delivers to Russia twice what europe provides to ukraine, and the europeans consider UA and particularly Crimea essential to continental security so it's not like they're not trying
>>2655106
see this is the problem with Appeasement, which the traumatized euros analyze everything through. Giving Greenland up without a fuss will just have the americans back next week demanding iceland and the falkland islands, and then the UK the week after that. At a certain point the current leaders of euro bourgeois society will be forced to say 'no' or bourgeois society will find leaders that can. America will get Greenland, this is seemingly inevitable, but the current euro leaders have no choice in trying to defend it (their careers depend on it) and it'll be the final nail in the coffin for NATO, the transatlantic relationship will never be the same.

yes the euros are dependent on american military intelligence but only for their unnecessary war in ukraine which could end at any time. economically they have a bit of wiggle room as China is the #1 place they import from

>>2655157
faroe islands*

Luka bros we made it. We are now on the west side. We are so back

voidzilla is asking an important question of political science here: who watches the watchmen?

>>2655160
ok

>>2655177
>the people immune to the law broke the law!!!1!
see >>2655108

>>2655180
The rhymes get better just watch it

>>2655181
reminds me of this gem kek

>>2655186
Why is Trump immune? Because the judges are his dickriders?

>>2655194
Technically a supreme court decision saying the president can't be prosecuted. In reality he controls the executive branch and wont put himself in jail.

>>2655210
So, he is not special? All presidents were immune?

>>2655194
uygha he's the president just like they pardoned nixon im sure they are gonna pardon him

>>2655216
Yeah that's how sovereignty works. If you're the executive, and you put up enough of a fuss, you can do whatever you want.

>>2655108
>>2655105
"Hipocrisy" is a fundamentally liberal category.
It posits that we're all playing under the same rules, towards the same abstract goal, and the people who "break" those symmetrical rules are too dumb or evil to apply them consistently.

But we're not playing by the same rules. We're not even playing the same game.
"You're trying to kick the ball into my goal, but stop me from kicking the ball into yours? Hypocrite much????"

You can only accuse someone of hipocrisy if you think they're "on your team", ie that they're the same class as you. That's why liberals accuse each other of it, they're blind to real, material class antagonisms and assymetry. They think everyone is fundamentally a liberal subject interacting with other liberal subjects.

But fascists aren't being hypocrites, they're just not on your team.
And communists aren't hypocrites, they're just not on your team. Yes, even if you're self professed leftoid in the imperial core.

Communists didn't want to "fix" the russian empire, they destroyed it.
Global south communists don't want the imperial leftoids to "fix" their countries, they want them destroyed.

We're not on the same team. Leftoids, like liberals, are just delusional about their class position. Your rent freezes and police reforms do nothing for me. You're just oiling the machine.

>>2655226
fascists are liberals tho

That letter by trump about Greenland is so cringe that I see trump supporters saying it is fake that trump would not say that and that if it was real he would have posted it himself. Insane cope

>>2655216
Again, technically it's new shit the supreme court made up in 2024. In reality Trump could have the supreme court judges voting against him assassinated and what they fuck could they do about it?

>>2655157
Yeah but nato hasn't died yet. Don't count your chickens

>>2655226
Why should I take you seriously?

>>2655226
That's interesting. I think you're saying the same thing as >>2655108 but worded differently, and rejecting the category of hypocrisy altogether, rather than framing it as essential to wielding power. But putting that aside… do you find most people in your class position, in your part of the world, agreeing with you? Or are they still holding onto some forms of idealism?

ALL YOUR GREENLAND ARE BELONG TO US

>>2655226
>Communists didn't want to "fix" the russian empire, they destroyed it.
They destroyed the Russian empire (really the Russian empire signed its own death warrant by involving itself in WW1), but they preserved the Russian nation, and even became downright patriotic about it. So I think we see that Hegelian "sublation" i.e. "destroying" something while also "preserving" it. I think a lot of Communist forget about the second "preserving" half of sublation in the dialectic.

>>2655084
This chick got doxxed during summer of love and was an aspiring pedowood actress

>>2655272
yeah don't expect usapol retards to understand sublation
these morons negate to infinity and beyond without ever bringing the new to life

>>2655267
How much is too much for the GOP and their capitalist donors?
Surely we're reaching a point of instability that will lead to declines in profits? Yes a lot of Trump's support is made up of true believers but I think most of the big players are just opportunists.

>>2655325
american national porky put him in power. everything he's doing is on their behalf. no choice he makes is unexpected. seizing territory and resources is nothing but good for financial capital

>>2655272
That's par of the course, but it's dangerous to tell an american that they should "sublate" america, they'll take that to mean that it's going to be a proudhonian petty bourgeois empire with red banners.

Just how it's dangerous to tell a babby marxist in university that they should "read hegel", they'll take that to mean that they should spend the rest of their lives reading continental philosophy and trying to "synthesize hegel with lacan" or whatever the fuck.

Also, great russian chauvinism did end up eroding the USSR, so maybe they did an oopsie there. There's a reason china posits itself as a "civilization state", and keeps han nationalism in check.

>>2655352
>That's par of the course, but it's dangerous to tell an american that they should "sublate" america, they'll take that to mean that it's going to be a proudhonian petty bourgeois empire with red banners.

lol very true

>>2655352
you have a very special brain

>>2655352
>Also, great russian chauvinism did end up eroding the USSR, so maybe they did an oopsie there. There's a reason china posits itself as a "civilization state", and keeps han nationalism in check.

Theoretically speaking, where does the "civilizational state" distinction come from, who first made it, and what does it really mean? I'm ignorant on that front.

>>2655263
Most people at my extended family dinner tables talk very soberly about western imperialism, their atrocities, their material interests, and the role of the "anti-imperial bloc" (although they don't call it that)
Those are just generic uncs and aunts with no "political hobbies", maybe some residual education from soviet times. At best I'd call them nationalists.

I was actually the cringe west-worshipping liberal when I was a teenager, and my muslim uncle was schooling me about fascism in ukraine and 5th generation warfare ops in the middle east.
He actually kinda doesn't like and distrusts russia but at least he acknowledges their "reasonable material interests", including expressing concern about their influence in our country.

So a relatively normal person here who watches the news or whatever might be a nationalist & a traditionalist or a muslim, but they for sure don't believe in "western universal values" and "rules based world order". That's what millenials in the tech sector believe (me for a while)

>>2655374
>I was actually the cringe west-worshipping liberal when I was a teenager, and my muslim uncle was schooling me about fascism in ukraine and 5th generation warfare ops in the middle east.
>So a relatively normal person here who watches the news or whatever might be a nationalist & a traditionalist or a muslim, but they for sure don't believe in "western universal values" and "rules based world order". That's what millenials in the tech sector believe (me for a while)
Do true Communist universal values eventually overcome fake liberal imperialist "universal" values or are we doomed forever as a species to have parochial forms of idealism which demand respect and preservation on account of being "tradition?"

>>2655325
The American bourgeoisie can always just flee for their comfy bunkers in New Zealand when things go downhill here. JDPON will be skinning the nurses, baristas, and grocery store workers alive in the street for being the willing and gleeful accomplices of imperialism while the actual Kissingers of the world are halfway to New Zealand on their private plane, with the full protection of the fleeing military and police LOL

I saw someone post this as a summary now on reddit

>Saw someone post this on reddit as summary

>Syrian Army right now is not like a military with discipline and uniform. It is made up multiple militias and also Arab tribes have merged with them (60% of SDF who switched sides). SDF collapsed, and the Kurdish parts (YPG/YPJ) of it remain. YPG/YPJ were the bulk and also minority of SDF and are concentrated in areas near Turkish border where Kurds live.

Ceasefire was announced yesterday, and everyone was ordered to stop advancing and halt at the frontlines of yesterday, but there is a main group no one has authority over: Arab Tribes of Deir ez-Zour and Raqqa. Also some militias of Syrian Army are still advancing. Kurdish forces have left everything and are defending Kurdish cities on the Turkish border.

Yesterday the Kurdish commander-in-chief was supposed to be in Damascus, but for unknown reasons he didn't go. So Syrian officials signed the agreement on his behalf and released it. He went there a few hours ago today.

As for why Kurdish forces fight: the deal says Kurdish cities has "special status", whatever that may mean is not clear, so Kurdish forces are not yet letting Syrian Army/Arab Tribes (who hold a deep grudge against Kurds, for various reasons) enter their cities until they hear from their chief who is now in Damascus.

They also fought them near the two prisons that hold the ISIS prisoners and retreated. They didn't want Arab Tribes to have access to ISIS prisoners as many of them are their own relatives and will obviously try to free them. As for the fate of what happened to ISIS prisoners as of right now we don't know. I have seen unconfirmed reports that an unspecific number of them have been freed.

There is also Al-Hol camp where Kurds are still trying to keep at their hands since last reports I saw. It includes 25000-35000 family members of ISIS.

Per an SDF announcement a few hours ago they contacted American forces to take care of prisons and Al-Hol camp, but they are not interfering.

Disclaimer: I am a Kurd.

incredibly disappointed to wake up and find out that yankistan still exists

>>2655398
why did your volk not genocide the sunni scum when they could