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>>2655550Remember, legal + illegal struggle
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when will the USA finally nuke itself?
>>2658432namek will explode in five minutes
False consciousness does not exist, every American is acting in their rational self interest
>>2658432it probably won't nuke itself but it will continue to shoot itself in the foot daily.
>>2658432At best they will become a third world state like Britain that attempts becoming number 1 again despite always smelling like a number 2 at most.
>>2658435>rational self interestthank you maggie thatcher. there is no such thing as society, only individuals doing "rational self interest"
union of egoists when?
>>2658441American workers would have worse lives under a communist regime
>>2658447My own lived experience for one
>>2658449You're a yankee who experienced communism, openly call yourself a communist, but then immediately start bashing it and claiming it would kill you. While spending your time hanging on a board of people you assume want to kill you.
You smell fishy.
>>2658446doesn't matter if you're right. american standard of living will continue to decline as the empire overextends itself, burns its bridges, alienates even its vassals, and refuses to do enough work to maintain itself.
With imperial decline, civil war is inevitable.
There WILL come a point where America is either destroyed, or destroys itself, and once that point is reached, communism will no longer be "worse" for the "average" "american" because the "american" will no longer exist, just the scrounging settler in the ruins of what used to be america.
>>2658450If I did my same job in China or Vietnam, management would be breathing down my neck constantly and I would have far less purchasing power nor would I receive occasional cash bonuses or free gas, my work allows me to shitpost here, I’m a king, a labor aristocrat
>>2658446Yeah. US amazon workers sure would love taking a piss in their bottle!!!
>>2658454>I’m a king, a labor aristocratyou are a retard is all
>>2658457he may very well be a labor aristocrat. but who cares. the real answer to his statements already exist:
>>2658453 >>2658453There’s no economic basis for civil war in the US, chattel slavery is gone, we’re all connected and interdependent on the highway and rail system and no one is going to fuck up the money by installing checkpoints between states when EZPass exists. There isn’t the social base because Americans don’t live in communities but by themselves without ever knowing their neighbors, and they’re old, average age in America is 45 and climbing, no one that old is going to throw everything away for civil war. Civil wars only happen in countries with an average age below 30. We’re too fat to fight.
>>2658458My quality of life has gone up every year and it’s the same for any white American who isn’t an alcoholic, gambler, or on street opiates
>>2658454Okay, you're either a fed or mentally ill.
Nobody who thinks like you would torture themselves by being here unless you seriously hated yourself.
>>2658456The alternative is being automated away and being homeless
>>2658466I’ve been here since the 8chan days because I used to work landscaping under a shitty small business owner and actually thought I was proletarian at the time
>>2658464Fascinating. Most americans I know regardless of ethnicity have seen their standards of living decline over the past decade.
I still have to wonder why you're posting this on a communist board, by the way.
>>2658467No, the alternative is owning the means of production instead of Bezos stealing your time and money
>>2658469You expect me to take your life story without a single grain of salt on an anonymous image board?
>>2658471Because I’m fighting with my 19 year old self at 28, that’s where I see the rest of you
>>2658472Amazon is the means of distribution, not production, therefore no surplus value extraction is happening
>>2658476Someday you’ll realize you aren’t proletarian either and get on the winning side
>>2658475Really? You work a factory job, you claim you're doing financially well, and yet you have nothing better to do than shadowbox your own younger self online?
>>2658474I’m just venting you can take it or leave it
>>2658481This is how i procrastinate
>>2658478Do you think Amazon distributes with vibes and happiness?
You faggots do a great job shitting up the thread on your own I see.
>>2658489I’m still waiting on you to make good on your promise to kill a tourist
>>2658488If a cashier isn’t a productive worker, neither are delivery drivers
>chagos is angry he's not the center of attention
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
>>2658462>There’s no economic basis for civil war in the USthe economic basis for civil war in the USA will be the declining standard of living. The empire will overextend itself, burn its bridges with even its "allies" and vassals, keep defunding education and health care in order to fund the police/military/prison industrial complex, etc. Your labor aristocratic job, weed, and video games will become, at best, the "America won" VR headset you put on to distract yourself from the declining standard of living, increasing animosity between Americans, and crumbling infrastructure. And with each new crisis in the stock market casino, the haute bourgeoisie will continue to cannibalize the petty bourgeoisie and labor aristocracy, because they have insider trading knowledge and "retail investors" don't. The house always wins.
>>2658496If this was true it would have happened with any of the number of recessions we’ve had since the 30s, it isn’t because Marxism doesn’t apply here because there is no proletariat or peasantry in this country, we are 300 million labor aristocrats and petit bourgeois and will be that way until the sun swallows the earth.
>>2658496A 60 year old with a declining living standard is going to shoot himself before his neighbors or the federal government lol, that’s most Americans, you’re a Christian who believes in the rapture, it’s never happening
>>2658493Again. Do you think Amazon distributes with vibes and happiness?
>>2658502"if erosion is real, how come I've only shrunk 1 cm in the past 30 years?" - boulder in a river
>>2658504They do it with the stolen resources and labor of the third world, and the third world doesn’t care to fight back
An uncultured country with a pedophiliac Nazi ruling class, with its 'workers' unable to even unionise (which Lenin considered the fathest the proletariat can go on its own, well shityanks disappoint even here), with a barbaric army hellbent on raping and murdering every corner of this Earth, where its supposed 'Left' is more worried about Asmongold and Sydney Sweeney's left tit than the 900 Nazi bases around the world…
Previous empires in history, savage and exploitative as they were, still left magnificent works of art, architecture and literature to posteriority. What did the yankee animals leave to history? Nothing but degeneracy and cringe. No notable music, writings, buildings… nothing.
And most embarassing of all is the American 'left'. A bunch of autistic nitpickers, pedantic redditlords, quote-mining parrots. There is but one way to save future generations of yank baboons: burn all liberal arts colleges and departments, compulsory hars science education for all. The kaltcha industry must die, for science to live.
Wait, WHAT?
>The ‘cold war’ kicked off demands by the US to take over Greenland as a base for keeping the Soviet Union out of the Arctic. The US offered to buy Greenland for $100m. Denmark did not agree to sell, but it did agree to a treaty which allowed the US to have a permanent military base on the island, forcing some Inuit families out of their homes to build the base. Later, it was discovered that Denmark had also agreed to allow US nuclear weapons there, some of which got contaminated with radioactive debris in 1968 – one bomb is still missing! So much for Denmark’s official ‘nuclear-free’ policy.https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2026/01/21/from-monroe-to-donroe-greenland-and-carney/>>2658508There’s not gonna be a prole revolution here because there are no proles, it won’t be on an ethnic or linguistic basis because most speak English and regional cultural differences are a meme, the cities depend on the rural for food and the rural depends on the city for machines, there will never be a civil war in America, we are all the same. Any talk of civil war among Americans is the narcissism of small differences and kayfabe.
>>2658503> you’re a Christian who believes in the rapture, it’s never happeningI like how you retards fall back on this weird cope of comparing the actual decay of real empires in the real world with some kind of mythical supernatural events. Just like every human being who has ever lived is going to die eventually, so is every empire. Your belief that the US is immortal and "nothing ever happens" is much closer to a supernatural belief.
>>2658478logistical labor is a component of socially necessary labor time.
The hood lumpen and his degenerate rap 'music'. 19272926 verses of "uygha my bitch has fat ass, uygha i make money i make da dollas rain, uygha i fack da woman dey just objects of pleasure, uygha i put a bullet in crackka timmys head". And 1 verse of "uygha poor me i grew up poor", and the moronic pseudo intellectual liberal art yankee animal goes "seeee? That's socio-economic commentary. Rap music is the voice of the oppressed euuuuh".
>>2658521
you're still talking about him
>>2658518The US empire is just the continuation of the British empire which continued the Dutch empire which is the continuation of the Roman empire you see where I’m going. China is just America 50 years in the past and it’s going to do and be the exact same thing until the sun swallows the earth.
>>2658525I am a continuation of my dad's balls
>>2658519Doesn’t mean logistical workers have the leverage manufacturing workers do
>>2658525>ok you're right that the US empire will collapse but the mode of production will still exist and someone might inherit the imperial mantlegood job admitting i'm right and moving the goalposts to a position that is basically identical with mine. you scored the goal for me.
The lazy yank whore, who shuns hard work, who thinks she is above the proletariat, but realises it is not the 1800s anymore, there are no uyghurs to work the fields for her anymore, engages in disgusting whore behaviour, broadcasts it to the world and makes more in a week than a prole makes in a year, and she drapes it as 'liberating', as 'emancipation', as 'overcoming childhood trauma' because maybe she hasld a deadbeat yank dad. And the moronic 'yankee leftist' swallows her bullshit and wages war on anyone who calls a spade a spade, a whore a whore.
As Zhdanov said "Half nun, half harlot".
>>2658525Yup, communism is never actually happening
But we can still kill ourselves
>>2658530They ain't sending their best.
>>2658532I wanna bag a bunch of deer and wild pigs first
>>2658514They probably lost a bunch in the ice tunnels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm>Project Iceworm was a top secret United States Army program of the Cold War, which aimed to build a network of mobile nuclear missile launch sites under the Greenland ice sheet. The goal was to install a vast network of nuclear missile launch sites that could survive a first strike. This was according to the Danish Institute for International Studies which obtained declassified documents in 1996.[1][2]People dreaming about secret antarctic Nazi bases but burgers really out there building it.
>>2658533Speak a lil Chinese for them Derek
>>2658531You’re stupid if you actually want to work harder for less money
>>2658528yeah sure, but that's separate from the question of whether logistics are productive in the sense of generating surplus value.
>>2658531Did an American tourist reject you at the beach? Maybe the next one bro. Don't give up.
>>2658542he already does. he's not american. he wants americans to work harder for less money. what his mistake is, is thinking that if the yank worker is more oppressed, he will be less oppressed, as if the bourgeoisie could not possibly intensify the oppression of both 1st and 3rd world workers simultaneously
>>2658524British and Dutch empires collapsing didn’t mean the end of their governments, they’re still around living the same lifestyle
>>2658545Considering the only socialists around are Chinese and Vietnamese and they still use money, yes
>>2658542Your funko pop mentality is what drives you to rape and plunder the world. Yanks must be genocided but the Socialist Worldrepublic to rise.
Decent food, decent housing and decent clothing is not enough for you. You need your totems: your yeezys your labubus. You are an enemy of humanity.
>>2658509So there is surplus value?
>>2658551I’m more of a guns and video games guy but basically true, let me know if you’re in the US, I just bought a Spanish Mauser we can go to the range
Communism does not make sense because of division of labour
Someone will have to pick cotton and someone will have to manage the picking of the cotton. It's better if managers are elected by cotton pickers but one will pick cotton and one will be a manager
>>2658550Anon do you think reduce and abolish are synonyms
>>2658553It’s not extracted from anyone either delivering or working in an Amazon warehouse
>>2658551>Decent food, Lol.
>decent housing Lol too. The rest of the workd nakes fun of us for living in plywood homes.
>and decent clothing is not enough for you. I'm sure you wear the exact same clothing from the exact same chinese factory.
>>2658557China and Vietnam are way more market oriented now than they were in the 70s, they’re just us with less resources and red paint
>>2658547Wanting you mongrels to stop fueling your nazi lifestyle with the blood of the rest of the world is not wishing for the oppression of the yankee proletariat you crayon-eating lead-drinking hippopotamus
>>2658562There isn’t an existing alternative
>>2658556In this Aussie documentary from the 80s filmed insidevthe USSR they said they valued physical labor so tgat manual laborers were paid more than the managers but i would have to verify the claim.
>>2658559Do you think Amazon workers are distributing through vibes and happiness
>>2658566
Wrong, I’m baiting him
>>2658568It’s through their misery and depression actually, Monster’s INC was a documentary
>>2658565That's good if true because physical labour has a toll on health so physical labourers have to be compensated for poorer working conditions
>>2658548>British and Dutch empires collapsing didn’t mean the end of their governmentsit meant the end of their empires through
>they’re still around living the same lifestyleundialectical thinking. on the one hand the british and dutch declined in both relevancy and power. on the other hand, as vassals of the "new" (now old, now dying) american empire, and as retired empires themselves, they were able to have a higher standard of living higher than that of peripheral nations. In fact, the average british worker today has a higher standard of living than they would have as a victorian era worker, at the height of the british empire. This is because the global standard of living and life expectancy increases with the development of labor-saving and medical technologies, as well as general improvements in lifestyle like the abandonment of smoking and alcoholism. But it is also because a lot of the most backbreaking and dangerous labor was outsourced. But even in the periphery labor saving and medical tech are being adopted, so their life expectancy and standard of living is slowly increasing too. Childhood mortality is also generally on the decline globally, even in spite of genocides like the one in Gaza, and female life expectancy increases as the fertility rate decreases, because each woman is expected to survive fewer pregnancies on average. So when you look at all the variables, you can come to the conclusion that standard of living increasing isn't just a matter of living in the imperial core.
But for the workers in the imperial core who are labor aristocrats, you have to ask, how did that happen? it happened for 2 primary reasons
1: trade union consciousness succeeded, but class consciousness did not
2: workers with trade union consciousness were also highly nationalist and class collaborationist in the absence of class consciousness
TL;DR people who talk about collaborators in the core are correct, but so are those who anticipate imperial decline, a changing world order, and increased prospects for the people outside the core. >>2658556You pea-sized brained macaque have clearly not understood anything from Marx. Hang your head in shame.
>>2658579That is a second hand Bulgarian vest from 1978. I got it for the equivalent of 4 american dollars. Can't say the same for your lumpen yeezys and whorish labubus tho.
>>2658556>Anarkkkiddie doesn't understandMany such cases
>>2658561Vague wording's doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Market-oriented
relative to what? >>2658574> on the one hand the british and dutch declined in both relevancy and power. on the other hand, as vassals of the "new" (now old, now dying) american empire, and as retired empires themselves, they were able to have a higher standard of living higher than that of peripheral nations. In fact, the average british worker today has a higher standard of living than they would have as a victorian era worker, at the height of the british empire.The exact same dynamic will happen with China, we will hand the empire to them and we get to be their fat vassals as the PLA occupies all 900 US bases around the world.
Thread glowing real bright in here right now.
>>2658587The heavier handed state capitalist war economies they ran beforehand
>>2658581Class divisions remain in cooperatives even if I love'em
Someone picks the cotton and someone manages the process
>>2658555>an American wants to go shooting with Chagos anonChris Kyle and Eddie Ray Routh moment
>>2658564The alternative is you shityanks start living like human beings and stop enslaving others.
Hurr durr durr there is no alternative hurr i have to trample on the rest of the world so i can live like a degenerate hurr durr durr >>2658589Glowies don’t need to post here because Marxism isn’t subversive, if it was, you wouldn’t have the collected M&E works along with Lenin and Mao’s collected works in every University library
>>2658591let me speak slowly
there is a cooperative with 5 workers: Alice, Bob, Celine, David, Emily:
Day 1: Alice is manager
Day 2: Bob is manager
Day 3: Celine is manager
Day 4: David is manager
Day 5: Emily is manager
Day 6/7: Weekend
Capiche?
>>2658589Your mother's ass glows from shitting a radioactive turd like you.
>>2658592I’m too fat and lucky to get killed by. .22lr I would trust him with
>>2658597Possible, but again economic pressures would demand specialisation so Alice will be the manager full time now
>>2658562>Wanting you mongrels to stop fueling your nazi lifestyle with the blood of the rest of the world is not wishing for the oppression of the yankee proletariat you crayon-eating lead-drinking hippopotamusdon't imagine i disagree
>>2658564of course there is
>>2658596
The dirty american mongrel thinks that the rest of the world has the same fascist fantasies like the shityanks
Stop projecting you pedo worshipper.
the rest of the world is humane, you are a raping chimp
America is the same thing as China, both are AES
>>2658601it's not that hard to manage. task delegation is less hard to do than the tasks themselves. "easier said than done" after all.
>>2658603>of course there isWhere and what? Point it out on a map
>>2658604>you are a raping chimpmaybe, sniff, maybe
> the rest of the world is humane,if the rest of the world were truly humane, there wouldn't be so many reactionary bootlickers willing to work with the CIA and US government. there wouldn't be so many comprador bourgeoisie waiting in line to be installed in each country. the truth is imperialism is a
system and the hegemon needs collaborators outside of itself to survive.
>>2658608>the alternative must exist on a mapweird limitation to your mindset
>>2658594You can also usually find Mein Kampf, Murray Rothbard, and Georges Bataille in universities. Universities hoard shit in order to be studied all the damn time, that doesn't automatically make them acceptable to the political and economic mainstream.
>>2658612If it doesn’t exist in reality it isn’t real, simple as
>>2658605>america is AESthank you Haz
>>2658613I hate him more than any republican. Shut the fuck about healthcare you would not have passed if you won anyway
>>2658610Jesus christ he is baiting you, just refuse to respond and have fun watching him get more and more extreme for attention
>>2658615"potential energy isn't real, only kinetic" - man about to step off cliff
>>2658613Once I realized he was a zionist it was impossible to see him not argue like every zionist
>>2658443They are racially becoming Brazil, in about 20 years max America will be turd world shithole with a bunch of mutts.
>>2658613this is such a funny line to take because obviously the opposite will happen. greenlanders will be stripped of the socdem concessions that their constitutional european monarchy gave them.
God, has anyone noticed that the baiting gets worse every time the government makes a new stupid decision and faces consequence
Really jogs the noggin
>>2658610Yankee snake tries to deflect on other countries as always. These collaborators do not have their heads on spikes because of the big yankee daddy protecting them. Any attack on the collaborators will result in your lumpen animalistic army dropping bomb on the population. Yankees are uniquely evil. Anti-yank racism is a sign of good conscience.
>>2658627>They are racially becoming BrazilBack to pol with you
>>2658624>retvrn to pre-agriculturehow?
>>2658444Thatcher's ideology and world outlook describe Amerikkkans perfectly, yes.
>>2658630I am not American, but you are spiritually American.
>>2658627You wish you could be like Brazil you WASP retard. You wish you could have their swagger. But you are lower than a cockroach. You are inferior.
>>2658635spiritually american post. every day you waste yelling at burgers in english, your brain becomes more like ground beef
>>2658631Multiculturalism and multiracialism will always result in collapse, no matter where or when. Call me a "heckin chud" as much as you want.
yankies will become tankies and chagos will cry tears of joy. allah revealed it to me in a dream.
I've updated the Weeks as Decades Reading List (
https://erikhoudini.com/weeksasdecadesreadinglist ) to include:
Daniel Egan - The dialectic of Position and Maneuver — understanding Gramsci's military metaphors
https://archive.org/details/dialecticofposit0000egan/mode/2upIWW - Organizing Guide — the only thing we have to lose is our chains
https://usa.anarchistlibraries.net/library/industrial-workers-of-the-world-libcom-org-solidarity-federation-walthamstow-anarchist-group-woLenin - The Defeat of One’s Own Government in the Imperialist War — bring the war home
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htmJoshua Bloom // Waldo Martin Jr - Black Against Empire — material lessons from the Black Panthers
https://dialecticalartist.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/black-against-empire-the-history-and-politics-of-the-black-panther-party-by-joshua-bloom-waldo-e.-martin-.pdfLooking for more materials relating to the last two categories on the list, Security, Survival & Tactical Knowledge (Keep yourself and your people alive) and Mind Games, Power & Manipulation (Reading the board)
If you have any recommendations, let me know.
>>2658649Yeah we got our Treatcompradors as well. Remnants of house uyghurs. They will be reeducated and if need be, beheaded, when the time comes.
>>2658644"the human species will be segregated into eternal unchanging ethnostates because…. they just will okay!!!!" - incel chud, crying while racemixers make more mixed children in the background
la raza cosmica wo
>>2658613Sanders can be a piece of shit, especially when it comes to foreign policy, but this isn't a bad strategy here. The open imperialist that are currently following Trump are trying to lean on the narrative that a return to belligerent foreign policy and open conquest will somehow improve the United States and reverse American decline. And, to this, one simply needs to ask: "How?"
Ask them how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan improved their lives. Ask them why they would possibly think that this new slate of invasions would possibly be any different. How are these invasions going to improve your life?
Because its obvious that they won't, and when this is made obvious the whole apparatus of the new Trumpist imperialist rhetoric comes crashing down.
>>2658613but bernie, americans already enjoy all those treats you listed… right? RIGHT?!
>>2658640Im not a WASP and no one wants be like Brazil uygha, that shit is a textbook definition shithole with 60k murders per year, thats why America is becoming Brazil.
Stop sucking the balls of third worlders just for being third worlders.
>>2658666the third world sucks to live in because of imperialism, colonialism, genocide, and comprador bourgeoisie. stop posting racebait. reported for rule 14.
>>2658666/pol/ or deeply bored fed? Who cares!
>>2658666My street is mixed as hell and it is chill and quiet as fuck. I could leave my door unlocked even. It's Chinese, Indian, Latino, White, Black, probably some others in there as well, I haven't done a survey. Maybe Brazil's race problems have more to do with being a former slave colony like our own and having poor and uneven development rather than the fact it is multiracial.
So you are not a WASP, what are you? Other White or…
>>2658644Stalin was too kind towards you people
>>2658678Okay six bucks says this guy is Elon Musk trying to troll
>>2658660well, if he gets away with his 'board of peace' the US will have another fucking 100 years of imperialism.
So far:
Argentina, Paraguay, Canada.
Israel.
Egypt, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Jordan, Bahrain.
Hungary,
Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kosovo, Albania.
Pakistan, Indonesia,
Vietnam, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan.
I am honestly disappointed in Vietnam and Belarus.
25 countries. we are talking about small countries willing to keep feeding this:
>>2658602bernard isn't an opposition figure in the slightest, because all these years of criticism propaganda against the UN worked not to make the UN a better place, but to foment the same savagery the US nominally does, that is culminating in to form a new soft-power institution emptier and more hollow.
if trump pushes again the world to the US whims, the US imperialism will only double down.
>>2658662I honestly need to get whacked good to become numb and dumb, and forget about these things. I wouldn't have anxiety and be angry all the time.
>>2658678I'm already mixed. What use do I have for "racial identity?" I've gotten by without it and already have a wife and children. The race mixing will continue, chuddo!
>>2658691i hate this guy's artstyle so fucking much
doesnt help that 90% of it is bleeding heart sunday school liberalism
>>2658692there is no conceivable universe that this man is not at least a little bit queer. That is the most fucking diva coded tweet ive ever seen
>>2658627This is an exaggeration by white supremacist to act like the US will have a Brazil demographic in such a short amount of time. Migration leaving the US is increasing and birthrate amongst all groups have collapsed which already destroys the predictions made that the US is having a non-white majority by 2050. Vast majority of people in the US still date within their categories anyway with white-hispanic relations practically going to turn into what Italian Americans are today
>>2658672>My street is mixed as hell and it is chill and quiet as fuck. I could leave my door unlocked evenWhat city in the United States of America is that out of curiosity. New England has passive racism where the cops get called on you for being in the wrong neighborhood and just doing a "check"
>>2658715Suburb of Austin Texas. I lived in a Dallas suburb before and it was the same way.
>>2658715>What city in the United States of America is that out of curiosity.the entirety of new jersey
>>2658678In the black community mixed black people are accepted and the great majority consensus is that they are black.
>>2658718>>2658725Regionalism is a real thing and race relations are different in each spot telling from your answers. That experience is different than up in Yankland.
>>2658718>SuburbThat explains the fact you leave your door unlocked and has the typical suburban experience of "community"
>>2658613This is what leftypol considers communism btw. Oh and the Greenland deal went through with the Danes caving as we all said they would. Radlibs can’t stop taking L’s!
>>2658735>>2658737I don't get it, didn't he need greenland? what did he get?
>>2658690>gets mad at me for calling americans racial mutts>calls americans racial muttsYou're such a fucking dumb goy
>>2658733Yeah when everyone is just living a normal life it's pretty chill. Different race people all live side by side and work together there is no issue.
Criminality and race or racial homogenity don't have anything to do with each other except racial persecution creating the factors that push people into criminality.
>>2658737Oh wow what all Marxist Leninists said would happen happened! Eurocucks have no military and will sacrifice their firstborn if it means they can keep killing Russians so it was a foregone conclusion the moment Trump threatened to pull the plug on the hohols. Do you yanks ever get tired of being wrong?
>>2658740it means he got greenland. Europe caved in. got down on its knees. Mark Rutter took a spanking from daddy
>>2658731>Regionalism is a real thing and race relations are different in each spotmaybe 20 years ago. the rise of monoculture killed the regional differences cities once had. ask a local, living in memphis feels no different to san diego when comparing the bottom 99% of the population. i blame the internet and tiktok tbh
>>2658740Probably fuck all; either commitments from member nations to its defence, or concessions regarding the right to US for deployment in the region.
Both the European and the Americans were probably looking for an off ramp as Trump merely wished to stick a pin up their asses
>b-b-but he was gonna do le world war three! No the genocide of Russians doesn’t count, only Europeans are humans!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
>>2658751US force deployment*
>>2658735>a framework of a future dealso nothing then. europeans love stalling with endless committees and subcomittee meetings
>>2658737Why are we believing him when he's had a record of making shit up about deals?
>>2658742t.
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now go back to /pol/
>>2658755See, this.
What framework? What is it?
This sounds like "concepts of a plan" shit, he's trying to make a stalemate sound like a win
>>2658748but what public statement are making the eurocuckoids?
>>2658731>Regionalism is a real thing and race relations are different in each spot telling from your answers. That experience is different than up in Yankland.It definitely is. If you haven't lived in a few cities or multiple states, you don't really have a picture of the country. It's a big place, almost as big in population as all of Europe. You can't just blanket define what life in anerica is like, although a lot of it is mostly the sme in many places.
Like I heard people saying that they thought racism was dead in America, but then Trump made them realize it's not, but also the environments you have been exposed to would affect your perspective.
Say what you will about Trump but he has an undefeated track record of utterly humiliating the western left
>>2658748Tbh it could just as easily mean he's not getting it and now he'll just pretend he never said anything about it. Remember that wall that Mexico was going to pay for?
>>2658755The situation perhaps isn't as congenial to US demands as Trump's administration first believed. Absolutely nothing has been achieved except rallying Europe into the collective position of resisting US demands, and any further attempt to seize Greenland will be taken as hostile encroachment that was unacceptable; this could have been the calculus from the beginning, but with a different conclusion where NATO members simply buckle under the pressure of US tariffs. Retaliation by the European states with the cancelling of a trade deal was probably the signal Trump needed to draw the situation to a close
>>2658751>>2658739>>2658746>>2658752>>2658748
>falling for trump's kayfabeHe cucked out and is using vague wording to avoid admitting it. He does this literally all the time.
>"framework" of a dealOkay. Explain to me what he means by this. There's either a deal or there isn't.
>>2658768
>/pol/ troll removes mask
>>2658768
If we all share the same material interests one would wonder why our leaders aren't manufacturing consent for annexation.
>>2658758Brokering the conflict through a mutual agreement that in present circumstances the issue cannot be resolved, such that all will agree to delay it. Trump takes a win as it looks like he is securing American interests whilst NATO members take a win by keeping the Americans nuclear umbrella on the continent, this resisting Russia.
>>2658772>Brokering the conflict through a mutual agreement that in present circumstances the issue cannot be resolved, such that all will agree to delay it. Trump takes a win as it looks like he is securing American interests whilst NATO members take a win by keeping the Americans nuclear umbrella on the continent, this resisting Russia.So he cucked out and walked away, and it's gonna be another "build the wall"
>>2658769Nope, actual Marxist Leninists and “subhuman” from the global south. I just like watching left anti-communists scream and cry as materialism continues to ignore their fantasies
>>2658761>t.> 'I don't understand the meme' imagine if I have to explain it to you how you kind believe they are v. what they really are.
again, go back to /pol/ el abominacion with obvious incelism.
>>2658771Buddy if you haven’t learned that liberal “resistance” to the orange man is all performative by now you’re delulu plain and simple. American troops will simply march in one day and Carney will surrender without a fight in exchange for being the provisional governor of the 52nd state. Uh oh!
>>2658772>Trump takes a win as it looks like he is securing American interests American interests were already completely secure in Greenland. If you make a big show about how you're going to take it and then cuck out its not a win. He's basically done the worst of both worlds. He damaged American power by picking a fight with US allies and then embarrassed himself by backing down. He may as well have just gone up on stage and shit his pants for no reason.
>>2658758>>2658772In reality, fuck all has been solved. The fact that it was Rutte who treated on the deal suggests the political deadlock between Europe and America that has emerged is now too strong, as both sides play out the inevitable collapse of an alliance neither wishes any longer to be a part of. Europe wishes for its own capacity for security projection, whilst America seeks to renegotiate their fading future
>>2658771That's a good point. Chagos is always busting our balls about being a treatler nation, but what country would voluntarily join the US? Why would Canadians want to become Americans? What would they get out of it?
>>2658778> mestizaje - el goblinoyou're fucking retarded and illiterate, the meme is about how americans are mutts with no race, WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT I SAID.
>>2658779Not so delulu as to lecture people about their own countries when I've never been there or met anybody from there, have zero concept of their national mood or consciousness, zero concept of the political landscape, etc. If our leadership wanted us to be American they would be trying to convince us why we should want to be American. Liberal resistance in the US is performative because they both have an ideological commitment to existing institutions and refuse to activate the social forces that would be necessary to resist. This isn't the case when one country is invaded by another.
>>2658780They weren't; Trump's actions are being driven by security concerns for the decades ahead as Greenland becomes the foci of trade routes, along with rare earth minerals. The win is merely one of face value, as it proves to Congress this latest charade wasn't a pointless sacrifice of American diplomatic power. Given that America wishes to eventually withdraw from NATO, all that has been achieved is the recognition that the current order has a time limit
>>2658784>Multiculturalism and multiracialism will always result in collapse, no matter where or whethis is very different from 'americans are mutts with no race'. as far multiculrutalism and multiracialism in the US = failed state, that's not happening.
>>2658781Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree. I just agree with sabocat that this was an L for trump, the guy's administration was beating the war drums over disagreement and then suddenly goes "Oh well agree to disagree" at the last minute. The dude cucked out and now looks like a coward
and a bully. Greenland ain't going anywhere, we're not invading, we're not tariffing the EU. Trump basically withdrew all the weapons he had and is just leaving shit as it stands.
>>2658787>Trump's actions are being driven by security concerns for the decades aheadWhat security concerns? The Danes said multiple times that America could station any forces there they wanted. American troops have had free access to Greenland for the last 80 years.
>>2658780>>2658787In a sense, the political alliance is already so frayed that the outcome was considered acceptable.
>>2658795Denmark is a part of Europe, who will eventually renegotiate this situation as NATO disintegrates. Military planners have realised that eventually America will be locked out, which cannot be allowed.
>>2658797NATO wasn't disintegrating until the US pulled the rug out from under it. They basically took a hammer to one of the most important cornerstones of their empire and had nothing to show for it.
>>2658791Again, Trump's actions at face value it feeds into the projection of America's foreign policy through the use of big stick diplomacy.
>>2658798Tough; the changing fortunes of the American bourgeoisie have led to its crumbling. This shift was started by the decline in its material base, which they are seeking to undo.
>>2658799Big stick diplomacy doesn't work if you wave the stick around like a madman and then meekly put it away without hitting anybody or getting what you want.
>>2658804That is entirely how it works.
>>2658613>>2658628>>2658662wait… you mean to tell me that becoming part of the treatler reich means i LOSE my treats? WTF? WTF?!?!!?
>>2658756"we" aren't, random anons are
>poltard starts whining about race mixers
<chad response: i am race mixed and will continue race mixing, and there's nothing you can do about it puta
<virgin response: ummm let me post your own racist memes at you
Nothing Ever happens stocks have never been higher
>>2658826adding to booru; thanks anon; we all knew this already but it's nice to see an admission
>>2658737Nothing happened. He took credit over nothing and he backed out.
>>2658831hey that's his signature move
>>2658683I'm not saying that Bernie is an opposition figure. I'm saying "Will taking over Greenland get you healthcare?" Isn't bad anti-imperialist rhetoric for the Trump era. Not that Bernie himself is any kind of principled anti-imperialist.
So did Trump cave? Cuz it seems like Trump caved considering the noncommittal stance of "we're making concepts of a plan" or whatever
>>2658708>Vast majority of people in the US still date within their categories anyway Facts. It's frustrating how much dialogue is astro-turfed by retarded pron brained chuds. Sure, a handful of interfacial couples might exist either in reality or TV in a porno but that doesnt mean these people are having stable relationships and carry children to term. Unfortunately, USA is in fact not some IR freak off breeding hordes of mixed race children.
>>2658839we don't know what this deal consists of yet
>>2658839>>2658842We know he caved because if he was going to actually get Greenland he would be bragging about it obnoxiously.
>U.S. President Donald Trump said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had accepted his invitation to join the Board of Peace. However, Putin stated that he would consider the proposal only after Russia's Foreign Ministry reviews the terms and holds consultations with its partners. Putin added that his country is willing to transfer $1 billion from previously frozen Russian assets to the board.
This new U.N organization is gonna be LIT
>>2658840FALSE. I literally just date white women. It's not even a racial thing I just get along with them better. Maybe it's because I'm in a multi ethnic place so I get the opportunity to date outside my immediate ethnicity. But even when I lived in the country I still found people who raced mixed just because.
>>2658847I'm "octoroon" yet I'm pasty af because all my "white" is from Ireland
>>2658840>noooooooooo mixed people don't exist, it's just porn brained chudswe absolutely exist and both the white supremacists who screech about mutts and the "other" white supremacists who deny we exist or pretend we are "unstable" are annoying. kys
trump just admitted
<sometimes you need a dictator.
USAnians and burgerites are sleepwalking to a full fascist dictatorship.
>>2658571Is that a treat?
>>2658861More like speedrunning really
>>2658857Im literally mixed race you retarded straw manning faggot. Sorry, if your upset the raw numbers and data don't fit your narrative.
>>2658857We need to form a political action group for mutt peoples. Mutts are the most underrepresented and ignored race of people in America.
>Oh but you got Obama!And what did everyone call him? The first Black president! No! He was the first mutt president. It's time we start acknowledging our mutt identity instead of trying to "pass" for this race or that race. Nobody should be ashamed to be a mutt. Every mutt should say it loud!: I'm mutt and I'm proud!
Mutt pride worldwide. They know the mutts shall inherit the Earth, that's why they fear us.
I think multiculturalism and multiracial society is possible, but not in America because americans are retarded.
>>2658870What raw numbers? I already pointed out the numbers for the number of mixed race people are completely off because all racial data is based on self reported race:
>>2658853You can be 100% African dna and mark yourself White on the census if that's what you want to do.
>>2658877There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where nothing happens
denmark bent the knee?
Liberals:
I'm fine with bombing Iran, supporting a genocide in Gaza, murdering random civilians in boats, stealing oil tankers like pirates, invading Venezuela and kidnapping its president, but I must draw a red line at annexing Greenland!
>>2658877Lmao, I figured trump would TACO on this. However this is worst case scenario for trump and the right. They just ended NATO save some liberal restoration order in the near future. Barring that, the Euros if they aren’t completely retarded are going to look for an exit ramp from the U.S. There’s no guarantee of future political stability here or that the U.S won’t attack them in the future. So NATO is effectively dead, Trump looks like a coward and idiot. Best case is that all this was a distraction and way to short the market again but that’s only going to work so many times and each time he does that he creates another bunch of problems and new enemies.
Daily reminder that police and ice agents are not real proletariana
>>2658911Who needed to be reminded ?
Doesnt everybody know this?
>>2658909Fun fact:
Official Gaza death toll as of January:
>73,600 Population of Greenland:
>57,000Lol my little suburb has way more people than that. Bro it's just one of a dozen of same size or greater in this metro area. It feels like it's small as fuck because I drive across the whole span of it all the time, multiple times a day even.
>>2658909Yeah or the way the catholic church said us foriegn policy is no longer moral, did these people think it was moral before
Mainstream news media here over in the UK is saying that rumours are Denmark has conceded to give away some Greenlandic territory to the US, without the Greenlanders' consent.
The US will - and this is still unconfirmed - own sovereign military base(s) on the island of Greenland.
Very much modelled on the same format as the British outposts of the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia on the island of Cyprus.
>>2658915Death toll of people killed indrectly and starved
Is in hundres of thousands
>>2658918Its a great way to change nothing and give the petulant retard a win ,
I doubt it will ne anywhere where people live.
Long term nato is still fucked
>>2658909Spoiler: They're fine with annexing Greenland too, their resistance is performative as it is in all other cases where they aren't in power.
>>2658877>>2658902What I'm wondering is how the Euros managed this. Do you think the generals and glowies sat him down and told him that if he destroyed NATO they would JFK him? Or did the Euros just jingle some keys?
>>2658924The 2nd one, the military doesnt have moral courage and will do what ever they are ordered no matter how awful.
>>2658886Based.
Mutts shall inherit the earth
I just got off work. Anything funny or fucked up happen while I was wageslaving?
>>2658446True. Anyone who denies this fact is simply an imperialist, as Lenin explained. Comrade Crispien does not regard the split like a Communist, but quite in the spirit of Kautsky, who is supposed to have no influence. Then Crispien went on to speak of high wages. The position in Germany, he said, is that the workers are quite well off compared with the workers in Russia or in general, in the East of Europe. A revolution, as he sees it, can be made only if it does not worsen the workers’ conditions “too much”. Is it permissible, in a Communist Party, to speak in a tone like this, I ask? This is the language of counter-revolution. The standard of living in Russia is undoubtedly lower than in Germany, and when we established the dictatorship, this led to the workers beginning to go more hungry and to their conditions becoming even worse. The workers’ victory cannot be achieved without sacrifices, without a temporary deterioration of their conditions. We must tell the workers the very opposite of what Crispien has said. If, in desiring to prepare the workers for the dictatorship, one tells them that their conditions will not be worsened “too much”, one is losing sight of the main thing, namely, that it was by helping their “own” bourgeoisie to conquer and strangle the whole world by imperialist methods, with the aim of thereby ensuring better pay for themselves, that the labour aristocracy developed. If the German workers now want to work for the revolution they must make sacrifices, and not be afraid to do so.
>>2658914I have witnessed a dangerous form of revisionism. Many amerikans here believe that police and such are proletarians.
Every congregation of USA "Communists" is either:
1. liberal
2. homophobic
3. nationalist (inclu. campist)
4. micro-cult
>>2658941Everything liberals have done since 1917
>>2658946>campistMarxism-Leninist has always been "campist" on the side of the oppressed nations:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/dec/15.htm<in their fear of playing into the hands of the bourgeois nationalism of oppressed nations, people play into the hands not merely of the bourgeois but of the reactionary nationalism of the oppressor nation. - Lenin
>>2658454Bud, you work in marketing.
>>2658940that image is insane lol.
i'd take vets who regret it, but mercenaries should all be hanged.
>>2658782US Annexation of Canada is the same as German annexation of Austria
>>2658743>Different race people all live side by side and work together there is no issue>There is no issueDo you happen to be white
>>2658949uhhhhhhh do you think your argument is any less retarded bc of some out of context lenin quote and a stalin pic lmfao
anyone who simps for bourgeois states under the guise of anti-imperialism is a national-liberal. youre Potresov 2.0, smuggling nationalist contraband into the movement
if your communism requires backing a capitalist state, you’re a social-chauvinist and a fraud
>>2658974
Imagine if all the amerikkkans are labour aristocrats who want to burn the world for funkopops and have it too good to do anything, posters are just telling on their class interests?
>>2658588China doesn't want unipolar hegemony for itself because it has scientifically observed the outcomes of hegemony for the British, Dutch, and American capitalist empires, and has realized that long term power lies in developing one's own productive forces rather than enslaving the world through military might. It may break the cycle.
>>2658946Hey now, sometimes they're several of those things at once
>>2658949What about the Confederacy or Rhodesia or South Africa - oppressed in the sense that the international order turned against them? Seems to matter a lot more to me the material conditions of the people which may or may not change by the end of some material relationship than some abstract concept like oppressed nations.
>>2658972Your tasks:
1. tell me how it is "out of context".
2. put it into its proper context.
3. tell me how is stalin wrong.
a quote isn't wrong or out of context just because you say so?
As for your pic, at least link a source like I did in both cases. You can't cry "out of context" when I not only linked source, but you didn't. I didn't "simp" for "bourgeois states" I simply pointed out that most accusations of "campism" are in fact indifference to the status quo of the core nations oppressing the peripheral nations. Feigned "indifference" or "neutrality" in the face of an existing power dynamic, is objectively capitulation to that power dynamic, which is what Lenin meant when he said:
<in their fear of playing into the hands of the bourgeois nationalism of oppressed nations, people play into the hands not merely of the bourgeois but of the reactionary nationalism of the oppressor nation. "Anti-campism" as it calls itself has no theoretical basis, it simply professes "neutrality" while the core rapes the periphery because, to intervene on behalf of the periphery would be "campism." This is basic anti-imperialism here.
>>2658949It's this kind of nonsense that leads to people calling ISIS and the Taliban AES purely because they're also coincidentally anti-American imperialism.
>>2658938Trymp probably gave one of his more embarassing speeches on the most embarassing world stage at Davos. Totally spilled his spaghetti. More unhinged and retarded than typical. Then he cucked out on his Greenland threats right after. Bretty funny day 8/10
>>2658876Creole people have existed for so long, and they had to literally force the one drop rule on us. Look into "the americanization of the creole people"
t. mutt
>>2658981>What about the Confederacy or Rhodesia or South Africathose aern't oppressed nations, those were
1. a slave owning aristocracy seceding from a settler colonial republic
2. a white supremacist settler colony
3. South Africa an Apartheid regime that was overthrown by the indigenous South Africans
nice try. It's evident that Lenin by "oppressed nation" means something like Cuba vis a vis the United States.
>>2658970>>2658986> i think the animal people are hotthe donkey has this, uh, what you'd call "tumblr sexyman" energy.
>>2658988I understand what they were, which was exactly my point, monstrous societies which seem to fit into the "camp" of "oppressed nations", because this category seems to ignore the actual material relations between the oppressor and the people.
>>2658990yes, and some will say slave descended africans are also settlers and not an oppressed nation and are not indigenous, but the strongest counter example to that is Haiti, which won its sovereignty, killed the slave owners, and took their half of the island, long after the Spanish had killed off the original indigenous inhabitants.
>>2658994>which seem to fit into the "camp" of "oppressed nations"they don't "seem" to fit into the "camp" of "oppressed nations" you are just questioning the entire category by What-Abouting the stupidest examples you can come up with
>>2658994>this category seems to ignore the actual material relations between the oppressor and the people.Lenin obviously means victims of colonialism and imperialism who are denied sovereignty and are not part of a reactionary indigenous comprador regime. It's pretty clear what he means by "oppressed nations" if you look through the dozens of times the phrase pops up in his body of work.
>>2658999What the fuck is their procedure with kids
>>2658996>questioning the entire category by What-AboutingYah, that's exactly what I was doing. A bad response considering that your original response to my troll post seemed to be made entirely in good faith.
>>2658997>Lenin obviously means victims of colonialism and imperialism who are denied sovereignty and are not part of a reactionary indigenous comprador regime.This does sound obvious, and like something one can't go against. Obviously colonialism and imperialism are objectively bad. I have some confusion over notions of sovereignty but this is perhaps for another time.
Let me give it more thought
and possibly scratch it off my troll posts list.
>>2658999Wait scratch that dont know why I said Colorado, they abducted this boy from Minneapolis and sent him to a facility in Texas. He was there for over 24 hours before his family found out, and by all accounts he's still there
>>2658999Epstein shit never ended btw, no one faced justice, the networks remain active. ICE is also a child trafficking front. Think about why they started separating kids at the border too. A lot of this kids are still missing.
All ICE soldiers should be considered to be pedophile defenders by default.
Also!
>An Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press reveals that the agency allows immigration officers to forcibly enter homes to make arrests without a judicial warrant.https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2dMore and more of the social contract continues to be destroyed. I feel like search warrants, the expectation that police can't enter your domicile without judicial review, were a pretty big part of the American social contract.
>>2658999this reminds me, no one ever figured out where they sent those kids from Trump's first term that got kidnapped at the border. they just disappeared into the void.
>>2658854That is most Octoroons. Need to find the 23 and me statistic about those who identify as black and their percentage of SSA DNA. Octoroon is actually the first one that mostly identify as European. Majority of Quadroons consider themselves black.
>The social contract
Just stop posting bud
>>2659014There is no "social contract" you delusional moron.
Capitalist society is defined by a system of class rule of the bourgeoisie over the proletariat. Its legal fictions are just that - pretentions of its juridical order, imposed over the body of society, they do not originate from it.
Stop fucking posting.
Activism vs revolutionary organizing. Which one do you choose?
>>2659016You're a retard if you don't think the average prole in this country doesn't think about the social contract.
Examples being shit like "the american dream", the idea that if you work your ass off, you can achieve upward economic advancement, it was just work, then it became go to college, and now it's essentially a dead concept only a few workers believe in.
Or perhaps, the idea that police can't just enter your private property without judicial review. Again, this has been eroded and is now, essentially, fiction. "your home is your castle"
Or maybe the idea of a social safety net. The welfare state, the shit LBJ was shilling to the masses. Slowly eroded over the last decades due to means testing, essentially dead as Trump has shutdown SNAP in Minnesota as retaliation for the protests against ICE, along with the shutdown earlier in the year.
or perhaps the idea that education is the great equalizer (See: Horus Mann), dead due to things like charter schools, vouchers, "no child left behind"
You can't hide your lack of dialetical thinking behind vulgar keywords, dialectical question is: How does this "legal fiction" function? How does it shape consciousness, organize and manufacture consent, and become a terrain of struggle? If you've read Althusser (you probably don't even know what ISA stands for retarded motherfucker) or Gramsci, ideology has a material existence in the rituals, institutions, and everyday practices that the masses engage with. It is literally the hegemonic "common sense" (Gramsci). These concepts are what keeps the neoliberal order working, and as they erode, it is our task as revolutionaries to both create a new vision for these things (ie, in our society, healthcare is universally accessible) and propagandize the workers to show the erosion of these things, therein weakening the hegemony of capitalism.
How about you stop posting, a read a fucking book.
>>2658962Not really. The concept of an Austrian nation was pretty much brand new in 1938. Austria had never been a nation state prior to the end of WW1, but simply the seat of a vast multiethnic dynastic empire. As the concept of German nationhood coalesced during the 19th century, many Austrians came to think of themselves as Germans by nationality, even if their loyalties were to their emperor. The result was that when the Nazis came, many (if not most) Austrians felt that they were being annexed into a nation to which they already belonged. By contrast Canada has a strong sense of itself as a separate nation, and pretty much nobody here thinks of themselves as Americans.
>>2659025You've bastardised through a misappropriation of Althusser and Gramsci into holding eternal those concepts of liberal freedom as they are expressed in bourgeois society because it offers a convenience in elucidating the present set of social relations within America for mere ease of explicating your own delusional little world view.
Class rule is defined through the instrument of the state as the sole legitimate authority in the use and application of violence, and it is through its legal form that the material base of capitalsit society finds expression and takes shape.
You've so thoroughly misunderstood the practical understanding of ideology and are instead posing it as some mystical dimension by which the proles as a class are formed in thought.
>>2659028The foundation and premise behind Gramsci's writings on hegemony is through its insight wherein the ruling apparatus institutionalises its own domination in the product of its culture; ideology is not a material plane but the structure or formation as defined by class relations.
>>2659031>>2659025It's ridiculous that you think the social contract is an actual thing because as an historical fiction it has been propagated to represent that particular standard of living according to which American proles enjoy.
It fails to explain the severe immiseration of its underclasses, and applies only to those of a certain category of wealth. Fuck off and actually read some revolutonary literature you moron.
>>2659031Gramsci wrote about a lot of topics Anon, one of which was is theory that class societies were not based on one-sided dictatorship but the ability to bring subordinate classes under their leadership through the strategic application of sticks and carrots. The object of hegemony is to make itself universal, in the sense that the core interests of the ruling class are internalized by the whole society as the universal good. In order to do this convincingly they must grant at least some concessions, especially during periods of high tension and militancy.
>>2658990I wonder how accurate that map is nowadays when accounting for all 3 great migrations
>>2659033I.e. through its dominance in the production of its own culture; hence it is determined by those standards of living as they are historically defined for the reproduction of labor.
It is the dominance of one class over another through the institutionalization of its power, and therefore an expression of those class relations. You cannot build on this with the idealism of "the social contract" or "the American dream", as this is just the fantasy of someone's imagination.
>>2659036>It is the dominance of one class over another through the institutionalization of its power, and therefore an expression of those class relations. You cannot build on this with the idealism of "the social contract" I would disagree but maybe this is semantics. I don't think it's inaccurate to characterize these relationships as a social contract, it's just that they are unequal contracts which clearly favour the ruling class. This is even more obvious outside of the capitalist context, like under feudalism wherein social relations were maintained through reciprocal oaths of fealty. Nobles didn't just have power over their peasants, they also had obligations to them.
>>2659031>>2659033>>2659036>theory that class societies were not based on one-sided dictatorship but the ability to bring subordinate classes under their leadership through the strategic application of sticks and carrotshow the fuck do you read this shit and not immediately conclude that gramsci was a fucking moron (rhetorical questions, the answer is that everyone here is a pb pseud). the rise and decay of the middle classes are necessary components of capitalism, not something le "elites" do consciously and willingly
imagine taking marx's "the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class" and adding such a retarded humanist twist to it holy shit
>>2659038>the rise and decay of the middle classes are necessary components of capitalism, not something le "elites" do consciously and willinglyDo you think that there were no American capitalists who supported the New Deal with the express purpose of undermining more radical worker's movements?
>>2659039>politicians from X country signed X law to stop their economy from tanking, that means the fluctuations that the internal logic of capital cause and demand everywhere to make the line go up are all planned by da elites, and not that the current state of capitalism was the only logical conclusion since its inceptioncool post man :thumbs-up:
honkoid status?
>>2659017It's like when a schizophrenic's core beliefs are compromised, and only erratic potent scapegoating and conspiracy remain. Laissez-faire has already been made untenable by the loss to China, the deficit hawks were never really true to form, interventionist wars lost all popularity with the public - even so called humanitarian interventions, and the racism is going to go with the demographics. Even so, what remains is probably distilled, and for now is most pointedly racist and nationalist, the suffering must go on!
>>2659025Would love to see you try to rationalise your view of the social contract by explaining it to someone in a ghetto.
>>2659032I mean the underclasses are not part of the labor aristocracy/herrenvolk/citizens/100% American by definition pretty much. For example, it's a bit absurd to think that migrant workers have the same rights and protections as other workers.
>>2659048I live and grew up in the ghetto
>>2658853>The US is already not majority White. It isn't.The Non-Hispanic White population excluding Arabs is still a majority and also depends on regions. Life in West Virginia vs California where it is majority-minority gives different impression. It is like that anon said that this country is the size of Europe so the experience and demographics are different.
>>2659054Then you should understand that there is no social contract; the use of state power in the deprivation of liberties through police repression is a daily reality. The concept is an attempt to condense through the state's own fictio juris a rational explanation for the basis of the present situation, ignoring those material factors which have led to the current conflicts between ICE and protestors.
>>2659066>Taliban is AESThe Taliban are psychopaths who forbid women from going outside or learning to read, have no minimum age of consent, outlawed music, and yes run a capitalist market economy
Seek help.
>>2659066Anon, I cannot read this. Take pity on my Burgeriod soul.
>>2659071SHEIKH Ioseb Dzhugashvili
Trump is so cucked man I swear. Completely bitched out on Greenland.
Greenland needs to flip the script and invade US. I'm tired of these incessant nothingburgers
>>2658644>believing in enteral culture and “races” Na you’re below a chud, a chud at least has a like a Filipino wife or something.
>>2658984nobody said ISIS was AES except one random italian trot group
>>2658644>collapseThis bullshit talking point from rightoids is always hilarious because Nazi Germany only lasted 12 years. Rhodesia 14 years. Where's the evidence that "muh racial purity" leads to stability? Because all evidence points to the contrary.
To make it hard you have to name at least two countries because I know which fucking one you're going to say already.
>>2659085>>2659088has anything actually happened other than some vague "concepts of a plan"-tier nothingburger bullshit about some unspecific framework for a deal at some point in the future about Greenland? it seems like less of a Trump bitching out moment and more that the situation has been deferred again because the markets were crashing.
if the EU does completely cuck out on Greenland or Trump cucks out on direct military invasion this shit is just going to keep continuing and escalating because that's how fascist expansionism works. it seems like we're only in the early stages of that where the US is testing how much it can impose a more explicit vassal status on Europe.
>>2659099Why didn't they do it sooner?
How many texans will die this friday and weekend?
>>2659101> it seems like less of a Trump bitching out moment and more that the situation has been deferred again because the markets were crashing.Who says they're mutually exclusive? If I had to hazard a wild guess, I'd speculate that the markets spooked trump, so he blinked.
>>2659112Remember what Mao said:
I have said that all the reputedly powerful reactionaries are merely paper tigers. The reason is that they are divorced from the people. Look! Was not Hitler a paper tiger? Was Hitler not overthrown? I also said that the tsar of Russia, the emperor of China and Japanese imperialism were all paper tigers. As we know, they were all overthrown. U.S. imperialism has not yet been overthrown and it has the atom bomb. I believe it also will be overthrown. It, too, is a paper tiger.
>>2659101> it seems like we're only in the early stages of that where the US is testing how much it can impose a more explicit vassal status on Europe.An absolute failure of test if that’s the case. It’s isolated the U.S for the foreseeable future. The dollar crash isn’t coming yet but every major vassal is now recalibrating and realigning with china.
>>2659044>that means the fluctuations that the internal logic of capital cause and demand everywhere to make the line go up are all planned by da elitesNobody suggested this.
>>2659126Have we passed the point of no return where even the "competent" US imperialist would now act unequivocally to smash the EU? The US's advantage over its vassals is larger now than it will ever be; the window of opportunity to tighten the screws might be closing.
>>2659072Citizens of epstein dictatorship have no room to criticize taliban. Everything you said is Imperialist propaganda. Taliban banned forced marriage. Taliban give women maternity leave, while amerikan pigs do not give their women anything. Taliban have freed the women. In afghanistan, women are equal to men. Taliban treat women better than imperialists. Taliban only outlaw evil imperialist music.
>>2659101>this shit is just going to keep continuing and escalating because that's how fascist expansionism worksIdk about this. Depending on the precise reasons why Trump backed down, it may be that we're seeing the process of the unruly petty bourgeois louts being disciplined by the haute bourgeoisie. This happens in all successful fascist regimes, Palmiro Togliatti wrote at length about it in "Lectures on Fascism" which I highly recommend. Reactionary populist movements like MAGA typically draw from the petty bourgeoisie and certain other midling strata for their mass base, but these also tend to be the biggest retards capitalism is capable of producing. They're the one saying insane shit like how the rest of the world is leeching off America, that the US is being "screwed over" by Europe, Canada, and NATO, that being a great power means doing 19th century territorial expansion, etc. Meanwhile the established agents of the bourgeoisie, like the military generals, state department ghouls, and ice chewing psychos at the CIA, know that the exact opposite is true. If Trump's government follows the classical pattern, then eventually this latter group will get sick of the chudocracy running their empire into the ground and set him straight. Togliatti writes about how the Italian bourgeoisie and landowners applied pressure to ᴉuᴉlossnW and the fascist leadership to reign in the blackshirts and in general suppress the party's petty bourgeois character for something more stable and predicable. I would expect destroying NATO to be something of a red line for the American ruling class and security establishment. Idk if this is what happened, but barring it I can't imagine what the Europeans could have said to Trump to dissuade him after he had taken this so far. He must know how foolish it makes him look.
>>2658644multiple cultures interacting with eachother is the default of human experience your just an anti-social weirdo
what if it was just a negotiating tactic for something else
>>2659133Contrarily, US and EU capital are far too entangled. This has been a mode of the US empire: orchestrating capital dependencies to cultivate comprador bourgeoisie classes abroad, protecting property by disincentivising conflict. But the same orchestration also grew its foil in the USA: the imperial (as opposed to national) bourgeoisie. The imperial bourgeoisie has far outgrown its host and now tramples the dessicated corpse of the nation-state, and even the territorialised state.
There will be no war because we are in an epochal transition. Just as the early modern period saw the rise of the nation-state, we now witness its obsolescence. The MAGA reaction was in some sense fueled by those who wished to claw back the hands of the clock, but now it is over.
>>2659099anyone have the non paywalled version
>>2659149sounds like some sort of new form of imperialism is developing, Megaimperialism if you will
>>2659139>I can't imagine what the Europeans could have said to Trump to dissuade him Yuropoids:
<You dipshit, we're white!! >>2659159Ok that's kind of cool, but what if we went further?
How about GIGA-imperialism
>>2659150>anyone have the non paywalled version
<Addon to bypass a large set of paywalls from (mostly eng) MSMhttps://gitflic.ru/project/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean
<Addon to check the archives of a given webpagehttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/view-page-archive/Exclusive | The U.S. Is Actively Seeking Regime Change in Cuba by the End of the YearJosé de Córdoba, Vera Bergengruen, Deborah Acosta
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Jan. 21, 2026 9:00 pm ET
Emboldened by the U.S. ouster of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, the Trump administration is searching for Cuban government insiders who can help cut a deal to push out the Communist regime by the end of the year, people familiar with the matter said.
The Trump administration has assessed Cuba’s economy as being close to collapse and that the government has never been this fragile after losing a vital benefactor in Maduro, these people said. Officials don’t have a concrete plan to end the Communist government that has held power on the Caribbean island for almost seven decades, but they see Maduro’s capture and subsequent concessions from his allies left behind as a blueprint and a warning for Cuba, senior U.S. officials said.
“I strongly suggest they make a deal. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE,” President Trump stated in a Jan. 11 social-media post in which he said “NO MORE OIL OR MONEY” would be going to Cuba.
In meetings with Cuban exiles and civic groups in Miami and Washington, they have focused on identifying somebody inside the current government who will see the writing on the wall and want to cut a deal, one U.S. official said.
The Jan. 3 raid to capture Maduro was helped by an asset within the Venezuelan leader’s inner circle, administration officials have said. The U.S. military operation in Caracas killed 32 Cuban soldiers and intelligence operatives in Maduro’s security detail.
While the U.S. hasn’t publicly threatened to use military force in Cuba, Trump officials privately say the brazen raid that extracted Maduro should serve as an implicit threat to Havana.
U.S. intelligence assessments have painted a grim picture of the island’s economy, plagued by chronic shortages of basic goods, medicines and frequent blackouts, according to people familiar with the analysis.
Cuba’s fate has long been entwined with Venezuela: subsidized Venezuelan oil has been a mainstay of its economy since shortly after Hugo Chávez took power in Venezuela in 1999. Washington intends to weaken the regime by choking off that oil, which has kept Cuba’s lights on, senior U.S. officials said. Cuba could run out of oil within weeks, bringing the economy to a grinding halt, according to economists.
The administration is also taking aim at Cuba’s overseas medical missions, Havana’s most important source of hard currency, including through visa bans targeting Cuban and foreign officials accused of facilitating the program.
Trump and his inner circle, many of whom have Florida ties, see toppling Cuba’s Communist regime as the defining test of his national-security strategy to remake the hemisphere, according to officials. Trump sees the U.S. arrangement with Venezuela as a success, citing the cooperation of acting President Delcy Rodríguez as evidence that the U.S. can dictate terms.
“Cuba’s rulers are incompetent Marxists who have destroyed their country, and they have had a major setback with the Maduro regime that they are responsible for propping up,” a White House official said, reiterating that Cuba should “make a deal before it’s too late.”
In a statement, the State Department said that it is in America’s national security interests for Cuba “to be competently run by a democratic government and to refuse to host our adversaries’ military and intelligence services.”
Some Trump officials said the president rejects regime-change strategies of the past. Instead, he looks to make deals where possible and to take advantage of opportunities as they come up, a senior Trump official said. As in Venezuela, this could look like escalating pressure while indicating the White House is open to negotiating an off-ramp, the official said.
Many Trump allies expect no less than the end of Communist rule in Cuba. But the ouster of the cash-strapped government could lead to the kind of turbulence and humanitarian crisis that Trump was eager to avoid in Venezuela, where he opted to keep top loyalists in place.
The regime has withstood years of intense U.S. pressure, from the Central Intelligence Agency-backed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961 to a punishing embargo imposed in 1962 that became more stringent over time. The two countries became adversaries shortly after the Castro brothers descended from Cuba’s Sierra Maestra mountains with a bearded crew of guerrillas in 1959.
This leaves the U.S. searching for a clear plan for what comes next and who could replace the current regime, these people said. The Venezuela model may be harder to replicate in Cuba. Cuba is a single-party Stalinist state that bans political opposition, and where a civil society barely exists, while Venezuela has an opposition movement, once-frequent protests and elections.
“These guys are a much tougher nut to crack,” says Ricardo Zúñiga, a former Obama administration official who helped negotiate the short-lived detente between the U.S. and Cuba from 2014 to 2017. “There’s nobody who would be tempted to work on the U.S. side.”
Over its nearly 70-year history, the Cuban regime has never been willing to negotiate regarding changes to its political system, and only implemented fitful and minor economic changes.
Trump believes that ending the Castro era would cement his legacy and do what President John F. Kennedy failed to do in the 1960s, said a U.S. official who worked on the issue in Trump’s first term. It has long been a stated goal for Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants who came to Florida in 1956.
In Miami, where politicians have long argued that the road to regime change in Havana leads through a change in government in Caracas, Maduro’s ouster has set off jubilation and the ardent expectations that Cuba is next. Prominent Trump allies and U.S. lawmakers have shared AI-generated videos showing a post-Communist utopia, with boats arriving from Miami, family reunions, and Trump and Rubio driving a 1950s convertible past the gleaming hotels of a liberated Cuba.
“The regime has to make a choice to step down or to better provide for its people,” Jeremy Lewin, the State Department’s acting undersecretary for foreign assistance, said last week as he highlighted $3 million of hurricane relief supplies sent to Cuba through the Catholic Church in boxes stamped with a U.S. flag.
Havana has publicly rejected that premise. Cuba’s government is still dominated by Raúl Castro, 94 years old, the younger brother of Fidel, while President Miguel Díaz-Canel, 65, an unpopular apparatchik, runs day-to-day affairs.
“There is no surrender or capitulation possible nor any kind of understanding based on coercion or intimidation,” Díaz-Canel, dressed in green military fatigues, said at a recent memorial for the Cuban security forces personnel killed in Caracas while protecting Maduro.
The Cuban government has been masterful at repressing dissent in an impoverished population. It has faced only two widespread protests: in 1994 in Havana, and in 2021 when tens of thousands of Cubans took to the streets across the island. Human-rights groups estimate that the government holds more than 1,000 political prisoners.
As tensions with the U.S. rise, Cuba held a national day of defense Sunday. Cubans practiced for a “war of all the people” to repel invaders.
Television broadcasts showed elderly people firing worn AK-47 rifles, and portly matrons planting mines. “It’s theater,” said Joe García, a Cuban-American and former Democratic congressman from Florida with contacts to the Cuban leadership. “This is a country that can’t pick up its garbage and is making believe it’s getting ready for a conflict with the superpower next door.”
Some nights, with no electricity and little gasoline to get around, the streets of Havana are dark and quiet, except for the occasional din of wooden spoons clanging against pots—an anonymous form of protest that comes from open windows, balconies and rooftops late at night, when the power has been out all day and desperation mounts.
“You can’t tell who it is. They don’t yell or anything. It’s just that—banging on pots,” said Rodolfo Jiménez, a retiree who has lived on the same street in Havana his entire life. “They only do it at night. People are afraid of being snitched on.”
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[email protected] >>2659139On the contrary I think Trump is the case of the degenerate/reactionary bourgeois finally catching the car, and the glowies have lost control of the ship. They're struggling to reel in the populists. The stuff Trump talks about doing is pretty much counter to global free trade, and that's likely why people like Elon abandoned Trump's team after the first month. Trump has purged all the "classical" glowies from the administration and replaced them with batshit MAGA loyalists like Kash Patel and Pam Bondi. There is no one left to JFK him. He's a senile old man with no limits and no handlers that can tell him no. The way the administration functions is just a bunch of yes-men trying to "lead" him along but at the end of the day if he's set on something retarded they have no threat to compel him to behave. Vance can't replace him, MAGA is Trump. The rails have finally fallen off of Capitalism.
>>2659169 (me)
Actually I suppose a pdf snapshot of the website is a more practical method of sharing the content.
>>2659169>Miguel Díaz-Canel, 65, an unpopular apparatchikIs this true?
>masterful at repressing dissent in an impoverished population>This is a country that can’t pick up its garbageNever mind, don't answer that.
This bs article doesn't even answer the actually they question: is Venezuela actually ceasing supply of oil to Cuba?
>>2659179Their conclusion is completely flawed as the entirety of recent events are defined by Europe and America detatching from one another both militarily and economically.
Somehow in the midst of the global redivision of power based on national lines a superstate is going to emerge
>>2659180Maybe their conclusions are wrong. But what you don't realize is the EU and the US are already superstates above old national lines. Saying two superstates wont merge isn't the same thing as saying superstates can't exist, when they already do exist.
>>2659170>On the contrary I think Trump is the case of the degenerate/reactionary bourgeois finally catching the car, and the glowies have lost control of the ship. They're struggling to reel in the populists. There is definitely some truth to that. After seeing the way Trump's first term went I never would have imagined him going nearly as far as he has. Kennedy was shot for much less than this. Meanwhile Trump seems to be threatening one of the most important pillars of global US power with little internal opposition, at least from the legislative branch. If Trump is a true representative of the petty bourgeois mass base of MAGA (which would make him more like a Strasser brother than Hitler), then this is the farthest they've ever gotten, much farther than in Germany and Italy. However despite this, I think it would be premature to say he's somehow fully subordinated the establishment interests which are pro free trade, pro NATO, and generally prefer doing 21st century imperialism to 19th century imperialism. I think think a confrontation or obstruction by these people is the most likely explanation for suddenly backing off.
>Trump has purged all the "classical" glowies from the administration and replaced them with batshit MAGA loyalists like Kash Patel and Pam Bondi. There is no one left to JFK him. He's a senile old man with no limits and no handlers that can tell him no. He's replaced the leadership of some alphabet soup agencies true, but those organizations rely on an army of agents to operate. Just because he's installed friendly leaders doesn't mean he has captured control of these organizations or suppressed their liberal-Atlanticist tendencies. Also from what I hear he's very unpopular with the Pentagon, who think he's damaging America's strategic position.
>>2659180>Europe and America detatching from one another both militarily and economicallyWhat I don't understand is why some people refuse to see this and insist that nothing is changing here. It seems like rather than recognize what they see right in front of them, they pretend it's all some kind of elaborate spectacle that they'll do for no reason before capitulating, regardless of whether or not this serves their interests or can be compelled by the US. These people also tend to be the same ones who are most vehemently anti-American and insist that the US empire is in a state of terminal decline. Yet when further evidence and acceleration of that decline present themselves, they claim it isn't actually happening? They tell us that mulitpolarity is inevitable at this point (which is true), and then claim that there's no possible way Europe and America could ever break into separate geopolitical blocs. It seems very silly.
>>2658632Engineer a blight that destroys cereal crops and potatoes. Maybe legumes too.
>>2659186>some kind of elaborate spectacle that they'll do for no reason before capitulatingWhen a child throws a fit for not getting extra scoops of ice cream is it nothing but an elaborate spectacle or is he genuinely angry and believes he will get his way if he screams loud enough?
Yes things are changing. The US is declining and it's looking for easy prey to sustain itself. Right now it's trying to make clear that the EU is a subordinate and not pretend equals. Europe is so used to being a independent power and always getting it's way they are resisting this. But do they actually have the power or will to resist or is it just throwing a fit trying to get some extra goodies?
>>2658632If someone tries to sow the land, hit them over the head with a really big rock until an extreme yet unknowing cultural taboo emerges against the planting of seeds.
>>2658632fwiw I thought one of the more interesting contentions in desert is that since climate change in long term will drastically decrease the amount of arable land, the ability for settled societies to maintain a food surplus will be greatly diminished and this in turn will see a greater amount of people live as nomads
>>2659176Cuba cant pick up its garbage because its underseige by the most powerful country in the world
The united states wont pick up.its garbage because that money can go to enriching pedofiles
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