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>>2655553paging Gay Nazi anon
>>2655548White Cougar Party when?
>>2655559lmao that's awesome
have a (you)
wassup treatlers
>>2655559Comrade Maddow shall lead us to victory alhamdullilah
treatlers be like: muh treats
god rape america, god kill our troops kill us all please god im begging you
>>2655695My parents plan on going to France later in the year but the way things are going they're probably gonna start lynching American tourists on sight
DOJ Senior Adviser Alina Habba on Jacob Frey: "We have a mayor who's a Somali sympathizer who we've seen dancing around on stage with their flag instead of an American flag"
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2013244783834079503#mNEWSNATION: Wouldn't sending in troops to Minneapolis make a bad thing even worse?
REPUBLICAN CHUCK FLEISCHMANN: I don't think so. We've seen the deployment of federal troops before as a safety net, as a group that comes in in full support of local and federal law enforcement and peacefulness
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2013252791767015681#mRepublican Andy Ogles on Fox Business: "They're libtards in a blue city … libtards are always gonna side with lawlessness, that's on them"
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2013241632972325120#mVARNEY: Are we now actively selling the oil we're taking from Venezuelan tankers?
ENERGY SECRETARY CHRIS WRIGHT: Oh, absolutely
VARNEY: How much of that oil are we going to take?
WRIGHT: We'll take the majority of Venezuelan exports
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2013275814960283872#mAssistant DOJ Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dhillon: "The people on the left we're talking about, they're not familiar with what goes on in a house of worship. They are godless people."
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2013276831571394985#mNEWSMAX: Do you think the church incident in St Paul is enough for President Trump to trigger the Insurrection Act? Has it gone too far?
REPUBLICAN GREG STEUBE: I think it's gone too far before that
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2013288342268342619#mUSA is skipping the davos world economic forum summit.
z-ze bugs
>>2655742Does the WEF even actually do anything besides be a venue for rich assholes to talk about society?
>>2655746
>200 users on leftypol
who's gonna tell him
>>2655746
lmao you're so mad
Sometimes I wish I had the superpower to shapeshift into a massive feral hog. They're so cool…
>>2655699unfortunately the eurocucks won't
they enjoy being slaves of the yankees
I asked this before but won't the destruction of the EU benefit africa?
>>2655773The destruction of the EU will benefit the proletariat of the whole world, but first and foremost, it will benefit the proletariat of Europe.
>>2655773yes assuming the euro is destroyed too
>>2655553Hasn't he already done several massacres of Alawites?
>>2655553It would be nice if he could teleport to Aleppo with a permanent cross necklace the kind a jeweler needs to take off
>>2655766
I think you struggle separating descriptive judgements from normative alignment. So, if I describe Assad as an incompetent gamercel and Jolani as an effective military commander, you interpret that as me supporting one over the other. But actually the only Syrian group I've ever actually explicitly said I "support" or think is good is the YPG/SDF. But just because I think they're the "good" side doesn't mean they're going to win, either, becuase that's not how reality works.
>>2655598Nurses are PMC so it doesnt count
(ordinance 4) >>2655826
>projection
>>2655836lmao they are not
besides, PMC is not real. all "PMC" are proletarians
>>2655836ord 4
>>2655853it's 7 days in btw
>>2655865I had to download it to watch it. Looks like some disorganized altercation. Libs somehow manage to be disarmed even relative to bats
>>2655878>This author has chosen to make their posts visible only to people who are signed in.Not all of us have a libsky account
Bitch tourist status?
>>2655865This is why we carry guns
>>2655963
>Nurses
>Petite-bourgeoisie
>>2655859>>2655853Im 100% kidding, but you just know a certain someone is going to say it.
Would successfully assassinating Trump / Musk / etc be adventurism?
>>2655982In the present conditions, yes. They are the symptoms of systemic issues, their successors won't improve things.
Read about the failed PotD where they were killing world leaders and nothing much happened.
>>2655987>>2655987>Killing TrumpFunny thing is that would do nothing since the whole administration is just Thiel, Musk and other faggy tech bro lackeys
>>2655989>that would do nothingNot nothing. There would be several feature length video essays made on youtube, probably an AI song about it becomes a meme, and JD Vance would order a harsher crackdown on leftists and minorities.
>>2655987considering the amount of power heaped onto trump i legit think it might snap a good chunk of people out of it
besides the assassinations of shinzo abe has put the LDP into a prolonged death spiral So, there's a lot of social media attention surrounding a BPP.
Does this group have any way to ensure member discipline, or is it a ticking timebomb?
>>2655999It seems fine right now. They just hand out free shit every week and then do self defense classes. Just wait to see how it goes.
>>2655865best of luck comrade
>>2656019Euroids act like they're going to stop Trump and then send 2 soldiers, truly a cucked land
>>2655999I don't know what this is, please explain
>>2656027Black Panther Party
>>2656026
>a sinking feeling risses to your throat
horribly mixed metaphor
>>2656029It's a deliberate trick to both break up class solidarity in the US, and redirect whatever remains after into """"populist"""" facism.
>>2656034
>>2656048
You are so wildly wrong it isn't even worth taking the time to correct you
>>2656019are the two norwegian soldiers the ones in the photo?
>>2656061
Brain rot
>>2656067
>Every european leaders
ESL moment
>>2656019Symbolic/token contribution designed to make a political statement of support for Denmark rather than actually confront the US. Europe will not fight the Americans over Greenland simply because they know they would lose. As I said before the question is whether they will dissolve their alliance with the US over this.
>>2656071
Yet more brain rot
>>2656071
a person can be a proletarian while being an enemy of proletarian interests. it is an economic descriptor, not a moral category
>>2656070I mean can we actually talk about the logistics of fighting in fucking Greenland of all places? Because while I may not be experienced with the ways of warfare, one thing I have learned from grand strategy games is that keeping your troops supplied is vital and the more troops you have in one place the more you have to supply them and more frequently. This goes extra if they're being stationed somewhere remote like Greenland. Put simply I dont think Greenland has the infrastructure to support more than a few hundred troops for a long period of time. Similarly, trying to invade the island outright would likely involve small tactical strike forces since trying to D-Day it would be suicide.
>>2656076What surplus value is being extracted as profit from a mercenary or soldier anyway?
>>2656025Trump told Europe to dump their weapons stockpiles in Ukraine them turned around and threatened to take Greenland by direct force
>>2656085> America might have to sustain a foreign military basehistoric undertaking
>>2655644yeah he was pretty emboldened by maduro's successful kidnapping which received 0 international pushback and also, he's obviously sundowning really hard, this is old cranky senile pissing himself because the nurse didnt turned the TV on kinda shit. senility and unlimited power, historically awesome combination.
>>2656099
Calling waged labor nurses part of the petite-bourgeoisie is brain rot
>>2656099
>>2656056
>>2656061
>>2656071
Hey 小粉红, I read your linked text. It in no way shape or form supports your position. Even if it did, it wouldn't justify it, because Mao's grasp of theory was dubious at the best of times, something that very much did cause problems later down the road.
When you ask people to self crit, you're essentially asking them to make your arguments for you. Nobody's going to do that. Please learn to make an actual argument for yourself, instead of bashing people over the head with links to marxists.org.
>>2656098Obviously they have plenty of other military bases, but they'd be hard pressed to have more than 100 soldiers stationed there at any one time without having to constantly divert large amounts of supplies. It's one of those "supply of zero" type places
>Teachers are petite-bourgeois
Why is this nonsense acceptable on this site
>>2656099
son you will never be a communist
>>2656114Czechs in 2026 be like
<Munich? What the fuck is that? >>2656113I'm sorry you find paragraph breaks triggering.
Hopefully you will be able
to address the actual contents
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next time!
>>2656116>>2656120It isn't. The mods just struggle to keep up with garbage, possibly as a result of poor moderation tools. They actually deleted multiple posts by that guy ITT already.
>>2656114hahahaha get fucked EU
the only people i feel bad for here are the greenlanders. greenlanders need to gtfo greenland NOW or they'll be turned into burgers (fate worse than death)
>go to 4/pol/
>there are unironic Canadian posters writing lists of concessions that if were granted by the US they would be okay with annexing their country as the next state of the USA
>The list includes shit like "leave our healthcare system intact" and "don't involve us in your zionist foreign policies"
<There are Canadians out there who just don't know yet the bottomless pit that is the American condition
If you think about it, Hollywood has been the biggest propaganda machine succes story in human history.
Saw a guy wearing a shirt with Du Bois, Malcolm X and Obummer on it today lmao.
France has declined to join the ‘Board of Peace’ proposed by US President Donald Trump to oversee post-war governance and reconstruction in Gaza.
The US sent invitations to dozens of world leaders, reportedly offering three-year memberships and an option to pay $1 billion for a permanent seat. The body is set to work alongside a Palestinian technocratic administration during a transitional period.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said Paris “must say no because, at present, the charter of the Board of Peace extends beyond Gaza and therefore exceeds the scope of the peace plan endorsed by the United Nations.”
“As currently worded, the charter is incompatible with France’s international commitments,” Barrot said Monday, as quoted by RFI.
>>2656151Fear index fearing a sign of fear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIXVery Ifraid Xoxo (VIx)
>>2656152
what party are you a member of?
>>2656157post the one where everyone seethes over being told to exercise
>>2656154Cpusa psl dsa
>>2656109>>2656109Police are wage labor. Ice is wage labor. Are ice proletarians?
>>2656157do burgers deserve it?
was ironfelix right?
was chagosposter right?
>>2656166>Police are wage labor. Ice is wage labor. Are ice proletarians?Tis quite the weight
Not slight, but great
Just bite his bait
Don't fight your fate
>>2656148The whole of American society is waiting to detonate into open conflict as it sits atop a mountain of gunpowder in the form of inequality.
I really hope the bubble pops as soon as Kast actually becomes president in my country (Chile). Please just hold on for 2 more months, please…
>>2656166they took bro out of his house with no clothes
>>2656166that girl with the leg tats is a baddie does she have a tiktok
>>2656180lmao I was thinking the same
>Europe may begin selling American assets in response to a new conflict with the US, and this will collapse the dollar – Bloomberg.
>Deutsche Bank analysts note that the US currently has one major vulnerability: living at the expense of the rest of the world.
>"Europe may decide it no longer wants to finance the US."
The actual nuclear option.
>>2656184they need to stop talking about it and just do it. trump is too stupid to understand that threat.
>>2656166They are proles; they do not possess capital and are only remunerated through wages which are paid to them in the same manner through which any other worker must do so: by the selling their labor.
They are not part of the petite-bourgeoisie. They are instead class traitors.
>>2656171Its not bait. Imperialist class reductionist right opportunists call it bait because they cannot answer the question. The answer is that amerikan police and ice are petty-bourgeois labor aristocrats
>>2656193how do you prompt the AI to make that weird JD vance character I don't know what its called. Do you just give it a photo?
>>2656186A huge problem a lot of people have is imagining other people as having similar intelligence as their own. The idea that Trump is a fucking retard just doesn't compute to these euros, who aren't geniuses but are at least decently educated and eloquent people.
it's amazing that calling the USA fascist still isn't normalized
>>2656201Come on. Pig lovers are saying ice are prolerarians.
>>2656204Petty bourgeois is a nice touch
>>2656202they aren't tho
you can voote
In terms of funi, the second Trump presidency outperformed all of my expectations. If you voted for democrats you are terminally unfuni. You must embrace the funi and vote for Trump's third and fourth term. We should milk Trump dry of funijuice up until his dying breath at age 113, at which point he hands over the crown to his son, Barron. Only Trump can make German Idealism materialize and bring us unending funi. Marx and Engels in their private letters predicted a Trump like figure coming already in 1864. "It has became my singular conviction," Marx wrote to his comrade Engels, "that a great funi is the logical outcome of capital's inherent contradictions." Engels replied: "Funi must be embraced, nurtured, and shared by all dedicated to the communist cause."
So what is YOUR excuse for being unfuni?
>inb4 I've got bills to pay
Where we are going you don't need bills, money, heating, or food. You will only need funi.
>>2656184CRASH THE DOLLAR NOW
>>2656202So long as its formal political constituion retains that character of a bourgeois democracy it cannot accurately be termed Fascist. Only after the state has consolidated into its rule the whole of society by that subsumption of its political organs by capital through the party can it be said to be Fascist.
Fascism is only latent in the present historical situation, as the faction of the bourgeoisie currently in power work through the confines of its current constitution to outlaw its opposition.
>>2656215omg shut up nerd. the USA is fascist
>>2656202elections haven't even been cancelled yet
>>2656211ngl I got more than I ever hoped for with Trump 2. he's even more unhinged and stupider than he was the first time and the accelerating American collapse is everything I could've wanted, antagonizing NATO, Canada, and South America all at once is fucking based.
>>2656219He's achieved so much destruction in only a 1/4 of his time as president, feels like an angel of wreckage sent by Kali
greenland should just ally itself with israel the US would change its rhetoric hella fast
>>2656225Laser Anon would've loved this RIP
>>2656229Rodtang easily low-diffs every member of the republican party at once.
>>2656239question, why do insurgents never make use of EMP's? This random youtuber did it and admittedly it's pretty weak but scaled up these seem like pretty effective counters to drone warfare.
>>2656225>>2656239The PLA apparently already have defenses against US laser weapons, through "material coating", among other innovations.
While laser weapons do look amazing, a simple defense is surprisingly just a simple smokescreen (which will diffract the light of the laser, making it useless).
>Indigenous people have lived in Alaska for thousands of years, and it is widely believed that the region served as the entry point for the initial settlement of the Americas by way of the Bering land bridge. The Russian Empire was the first to actively colonize the area beginning in the 18th century, eventually establishing Russian America, which spanned most of the current state and promoted and maintained a native Alaskan Creole population.[7] The expense and logistical difficulty of maintaining this distant possession prompted its sale to the U.S. in 1867 for US$7.2 million, equivalent to $162 million in 2024. The area went through several administrative changes before becoming organized as a territory on May 11, 1912. It was admitted as the 49th state of the U.S. on January 3, 1959.[8]
>An abundance of natural resources—including commercial fishing and the extraction of natural gas and oil—has enabled Alaska to have one of the highest per capita incomes in the United States, despite having one of the smallest economies. U.S. Armed Forces bases and tourism also contribute to the economy; more than half of Alaska is federally owned, containing national forests, national parks, and wildlife refuges. It is among the most irreligious states and one of the first to legalize recreational marijuana. Alaska has the highest proportion of Native Americans of any U.S. state, at 22 percent.[9]
If Alaska is anything to go by, Greenland would be a net benefit to the US. A save haven from burgerism. A little island of European civility and indigenous sanity. If burgers didn't manage to ruin Alaska, Greenland has hope too.
>>2656215>>2656202>So long as its formal political constituion retains that character of a bourgeois democracy it cannot accurately be termed Fascist. Wrong. You have engaged in constitutional fetishism. Read Dimitrov Report. Fascism begins within the shell of bourgeois democracy. Amerikans are fascist. To say fascism begins only once constitution is shredded is mistake dimitrov identified.
<But it is a mistake, no less serious and dangerous, to underrate the importance, for the establishment of fascist dictatorship, of the reactionary measures of the bourgeoisie at present increasingly developing in bourgeois-democratic countries – measures which suppress the democratic liberties of the working people, falsify and curtail the rights of parliament and intensify the repression of the revolutionary movement.>Only after the state has consolidated into its rule the whole of society by that subsumption of its political organs by capital through the party can it be said to be Fascist. Wrong. You say fascism begins only when fascism is consolidated most highly.
<The accession to power of fascism is not an ordinary succession of one bourgeois government by another, but a substitution of one state form of class domination of the bourgeoisie – bourgeois democracy – by another form – open terrorist dictatorship.>Fascism is only latent in the present historical situation, as the faction of the bourgeoisie currently in power work through the confines of its current constitution to outlaw its opposition.Wrong. Fascism is active in amerika, not latent. The entirety of the bourgeoisie is in power, so you are wrong.
>>2656204Yeah I don't get why this is so hard to grasp
ICE is proletarian, they're paid a wage. They are also the most reactionary proles imaginable. They are class traitors. This is clearly a theoretical possibilty.
It's like you retards think the term "proletarian" means like "pure, essentially good" and not just an analytical category like anything else.
>>2656258
You're behind the meta anon they've moved the goalpost from "climate change isn't real" to "climate change is real but humans had nothing to do with it praise capitalism"
when will climate change hit so bad that there'll be a massive refugee crisis? I'm scared bros…
Hey so I just wanted to see, who else is rooting for war with the E.U over Greenland? America versus NATO. I’m hoping that somehow Russia ends up replacing America in NATOS and they keep the name NATO. I’m kind of resigned that WW3 is coming and going to war against Europe feels like the best option.
>>2656258
don't forget:
1. We need to deport everyone back to South America since they aren't from our territory
2: South America is our territory
>>2656253>But it is a mistake, no less serious and dangerous, to underrate the importance, for the establishment of fascist dictatorship, of the reactionary measures>for the establishmentI.e. that which is in utero
>but a substitution of one state form of class domination of the bourgeoisie – bourgeois democracy – by another form – open terrorist dictatorshipThe premise of this, which your argument misses completely, is the establishment of the mass party - the Fascist party - which must sweep into its populist accession the membership of its nation's citizens.
The Republican party is not Fascist precisely because it has not consolidated its party rule with that of the state; likewise there still exist the "democratic liberties" of the working people in the form of the trade unions, party membership, and voting.
If you believe the present order is Fascist, you are in for the ride of your fucking life over the next decade. You will know Fascism is here when Aryanism, Evangelism, and every other backward reactionary sentiment find an open path for discussion within the circus of the American political arena and appear not just within the confines of the extremist online circles, but openly in civil discourse.
>>2656225laser weapons don't work lol
>>2656259The third position and logical endpoint of this will be: "climate change is real, it is human made, and a good thing, because that's how we got Greenland. So what if the entire Eastern coast is underwater? It melted Greenland's ice also. Climate change, as any historical process, has downsides and upsides. Overall, however, man made climate change is good."
That future republican's name? Albert Einstein
>>2656265>If you believe the present order is Fascist, you are in for the ride of your fucking life over the next decade. You will know Fascism is here when Aryanism, Evangelism, and every other backward reactionary sentiment find an open path for discussion within the circus of the American political arena and appear not just within the confines of the extremist online circles, but openly in civil discourse.
these things already are starting to make their way into civil discourse
>>2656270"Climate change is good. It is our revenge on the icebergs for what they did to The Titanic."
>>2656261Europe already declared war against the USA by depriving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize. Then Europe dropped the first nuke in the form of telling Trump that the Vuvuzelan lady giving him the medal is not worth shit.
Anything the US does in retaliation will be completely justifyable self-defense and future history books will highhlight Europe's arrogant agrression and the US' resignated entry into WW3.
Some crimes can never be forgotten.
Would a country help US citizens overthrow the government when things get really bad? And if so, which one?
>>2656275>please help us, we are so retarded we can't even help ourselves anymoreAny competent general would read this as
<Please conquer us, we yearn to be governed >>2656275Anyone with a half a brain would be trying to prop their own faction in the America collapse. The E.U should be getting javelins into the hands of liberal wine moms if they knew what they were doing.
>>2656271They are still in their inception. The present set of social relations within society have yet to undergo those transformations which have occured at the level of its productive forces, its material base, in which the coditions wherein these movements find root emerge openly and vie for power, in class conflict.
This is the present historical order: those political developments which are occurring as a result of the emerging contradictions within the global economy are reshaping the structure of American society, along with the rest of the world. American society is still defined in its present moment as a reflection of those social relations which it has as of yet to do away with, precisely because they are inhibiting to Capital.
Thus they are not its totality. Aryanism is still nascent, there is still civil resistance to the increasingly authoritarian measures of the Republican party, and because the bourgeoisie are still consolidating their power behind a figure who whilst has unified behind himself every faction within his party base cannot do away with its democratic constitution. Trump is the beginning of a process of the political and with it historic transition which will take place over the next decade.
Hence it is only latent.
>>2656280>>2656271Calling the present order Fascist is part of that movement whereby liberals seek to use it as a watchword as a means to maintain this particular set of social relations; what they mean by Fascist is in actuality a moral hysteria which has little to do with actual Fascism, and simply refer to the deprivation of bourgeois democratic liberties and their reflection in civil society to which they strive.
There is nothing more credulous than those groups who organise on the principal of anti-fascism within America who do not even have a coherent understanding of what it is they are struggling either for or against. They simply seek to oppose through blind political reaction the violence of the state - hence they are "legitimately" denounced by their opposition within the Republican as anti-democratic.
>>2656281and the ideality to which they strive*
>>2656278The factions are thuslike:
>EU - liberal wine moms - javelins>China - diabetus scooter enjoyers - drones>Iran - fentanyl posed bystanders - rokets>Russia - texan oilbarons - nukes>Israel - transfolx - sniper rifles >>2656286>See thing>Put "communism" on it>The thing is now communistAufhebunged.
>>2656286there are three cuties in the video
acp could be recycled for proper purposes if they kicked out all the larouchites tobequiethonestnotgonnalie
>>2656297I have detected the cuites as well. I wonder if reactionaries of the chuddiverse notice that communists have cuties you can actually touch and grope and honk honk the tiddies of while pretending to be training your "wrestling" skills will they dechuddify and join en masse? That might be a bad thing on the short run.
I do not envy American cuties.
>>2656294The nineties was the worst period globally where everybody pretended to fucking LOVE America. Bush changed that altogether, Obama tried to mend the image, Biden and Trump just fucking collapsed it.
>>2656244>Where are you, Obama!? What are you doing?? we need you!!Obama voice:
>My name is Barack Obama, I'm gay, and I'm getting my dick sucked by another man >>2656304posting right wing xitter slop should be a crime
>>2656310
Why are you posting this garbage here. It belongs on ISG
>>2656299Have you seen the average chuddie, anon…
Guys already got perky moobs in the upper overweight range. The chuddie needs to be forced into a 5 year body fitness development plan sanctioned by the Soviet central committee, but then in the end they are not a chuddie anymore.
>>2656157nothing wrong with most of the replies. what was the message here
>>2656297>ACP would be ok if they just got rid their most essential founding members and completely changed the essence of the organizationAgreed
>>2656317>the gusanos quit because of latam imperialismWrong on that one. Gusanos are the most cucked people in the entire world by extremely far, the more the U.S assfucks them the more they worship them. I'm Chilean so I'm talking from what I've actually seen with my own eyes.
>>2656294Haven't they soured on the U.S. for a while?
>>2656317>CopeBrother, with all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?
DT is the fucking president, about to insurrection act Minnesota, bomb Mexico, take Greenland, threatening Canada, his family is making billions every day, and he's going to cancel the midterms using ICE to "guard" the polls.
What part of "the maga president is president right now" do you not understand? How do you not understand that every single serious, influential, and intelligent Nazi is working around the clock near the highest levers of power to carry out as much reaction as possible, at the expense of everyone else?
>>2656323>>2656317Still don't understand why there isn't a /leftypol/ cadre to propagandize on 4chan.
The site is ripe for a political conversion. You are free to chant the most radical, revolutionary, communist positions and not get banned.
>>2656324Because 4chan is compromised. The mod team is comprised of rightists. RapeApe is a nazi-sympathizer right-winger, and Hiroyuki isn't much better. There is no point, not since moot sold the whole thing.
>>2656265>>2656257Wrong. Proletariat is defined as class that produces surplus value for exploiter classes. Ice agents are not proletarians. Ice agents produce no value. Proletarians produce value that the bourgeois ice agents appropriate. Ice agents only destroy value. That is why ice agents and capitalist police are petty-bourgeois. Marxist-Leninist theory determines that ICE is petty-bourgeois. Ice agents are not class traitors. ICE are settler genocidal imperialist petty-bourgeois fascist labor aristocrats acting according to their interest.
>>2656265>The premise of this, which your argument misses completely, is the establishment of the mass party - the Fascist party - which must sweep into its populist accession the membership of its nation's citizens. Wrong. Fascism does not need a singular party. The accession to power of fascism must not be conceived of in so simplified and smooth a form, as though some committee or other of finance capital decided on a certain date to set up a fascist dictatorship.
>The Republican party is not Fascist precisely because it has not consolidated its party rule with that of the state; likewise there still exist the "democratic liberties" of the working people in the form of the trade unions, party membership, and voting. Wrong. Fascism often has all of these things. amerika in entirety is fascist. amerikan fascism is trying to direct the disillusionment and discontent of these masses into reactionary fascist channels. It is a peculiarity of the development of American fascism that at the present stage it comes forward principally in the guise of an opposition to fascism, which it accuses of being an "un-American" trend imported from abroad. In contradistinction to German fascism, which acts under anti-constitutional slogans, American fascism tries to portray itself as the custodian of the Constitution and "American democracy."
>If you believe the present order is Fascist, you are in for the ride of your fucking life over the next decade. You will know Fascism is here when Aryanism, Evangelism, and every other backward reactionary sentiment find an open path for discussion within the circus of the American political arena and appear not just within the confines of the extremist online circles, but openly in civil discourse.This already is the case. Watch fox news
>>2656325Defeatism, pure and simple.
>>2655550>Malcom X was rightAbout what? That the best way to end racism was by getting everyone to convert to Islam?
>>2656325In recent months i've noticed this isn't the case. The mods don't delete leftist posts on other boards anymore. They don't care anymore.
>>2656324Leftypolers will tell you 4chan is "too fargone" or internet propaganda "doesn't work" but the real answer is they're just as socially stunted as the 4channers and don't like organizing because it involves interacting with other people. I've been doing it on an individual level for a while on 4chan and its been going pretty well imo.
>>2656327>Wrong. Fascism does not need a singular partyThis is so totally wrong. Fascism is a one party state rule in which elections have been outlawed; this is an historical fact. You are confusing those conditions of social decay in which Fascism is latent and equating them with Fascism itself.
Everything else you've written is absolute garbage.
>>2656330>I've been doing it on an individual level for a while on 4chan and its been going pretty well imoWhat's your usual response to the /pol/ shit?
I've long been imagining radicalising every mother fucker on that site with political views that would make the Stormfront users blush by pushing views more extreme in their positions than those offered by the Fascists.
>>2656324Our job here is not conversion, our job here is honing of our own consciousness.
>>2656291They already support communist landlords so this is not surprising from them.
>>2656323>Why aren't you a histeric liberal like me who is constantly traumatized by TrumpBecause I'm a communist, lol.
>>2656333/r9k/ is basically leftie /pol/ nowadays. it kinda always was since actual incels tend to be more brown and working class than chuds. also /g/ are pretty up in arms over AI ruining PC hardware for a generation so there's opportunities for organizing there.
I understand the whole "marxism isn't a religion and you don't win by proselytizing" thing but every political movement relies on disenfranchised young men and 4chan has a lot of that. Leftypolers are just lazy.
>>2656338the seventh type of liberalism would've been a better thing to quote
>>2656340Literally all it would take is 5-10 posters working in unison to begin flipping these spaces by targeting the most active threads and just simply agitating
>>2656330The main reason I don't want a conversion brigade led by leftypol is that there's no way we could handle that many right wingers here. The mods have a hard enough time with 80 unique IPs of people already left wing, mostly communists. Imagine if we started bringing over dozens of chuds lmao.
I like this place as it is. If you're gonna convert people, use other channels.
>>2656344It wouldn't be for the purpose of advertising this site.
Just simply demanding more and more radical views by pointing out what most already know; that they are ruled by a class of political elites who possess a manner of wealth beyond incomprehension.
>>2656331Fascist japan had multi-party elections. Latent fascism is still fascism—but, as Dimitrov explained, there is no such thing as latent fascism. Fascists abducting people is not social decay, it is fascism.
>>2656347beyond comprehension*
>>2656344>we are a cute incompetent smal bean hugbox that can never manage growth and that's completely fineJust stop pretending you're into politics
>>2656350I mean you can try but watch as it sucks ass/doesn't work. We barely agree on anything here, idk how you're going to organize a coherent line around which to "convert" retards on anonymous imageboards.
Have fun
Woke status?
A discord server with some 7-10 members at most would be enough to coordinate and flip 4chan threads really. Super doable.
>>2656351You don't need an ideological unity for people to realize their circumstances, and to hate those responsible for them.
>>2656353Woke 2 is incubating and is about to be born, stronger than before.
>>2656350>>2656351And by the way, this AND 4chan, are
anonymous websites. This place has fundamental aspects that make it nearly impossible to organize anything at all. If you want to put actual effort into shit, do it IRL or at least on a platform more suited for it.
>>2656344Admittedly I think leftypol needs to change its culture and new blood could help with that. I also don't think the mods should be getting involved in arguments or "keeping the peace" unless it involves actual destructive behavior like spam or harassment.
Internet communities basically die when they get too comfortable with mods protecting them from "bad opinions", and its why leftypol never really took off.
There's a lot of…we can call them reactionary leftists or populist leftists that aren't quite there yet due to misguided opinions, but need to be guided towards proper class consciousness through patience and dialogue. /siberia/ already exists but the rest of the site could probably benefit from letting people post stupid shit if it facilitates useful discussion.
Basically I wish the left had an actual 4chan equivalent and not just lefty reddit where the mods are the be all end all of what is allowed discussion. If someone has a left-wing opinion on idk, rejecting LGBT I think it should be allowed because that's also the opinion of the USSR and the CCP and many other leftist groups. Abortion is literally illegal in Venezuela and we should probably talk about stuff like that without just being totally dismissive of it. I don't think we should endorse those beliefs but we should have resources and discussions available for why we disagree and not just treat it as dogma that you HAVE to adhere to to be called an ally.
>>2656328Using my time, effort, and patience on better things isn't "defeatism". By all means go ahead and waste your time trying to convince misanthropic first-world lumpen NEETs of petite bourgeois families to do whatever.
>>2656359Whilst these spaces exist, the right to free speech is defended in its utmost extent. The problem with IRL organizing is that it cannot reach the disenfranchized precisely because society itself has disintergrated beneath its increasing use of technology; these individuals are heavily alienated but easily reachable en masse, and you may hurl every obscenity with which to bring them into realizing what they already know.
You will be arrested for screaming "Death To The Bourgeoisie", "Deaath To Landlords" and so on in person. In these spaces, you may simply say them as if you were saying hello.
>>2656339No what I'm saying is… You say: maga is dead. I'm saying: he's fucking president of earth right now.
I'm not being hysterical, I'm saying: hey maybe he actually has a shit ton of power, and whether he has "popular support" doesn't matter when he can literally do
whatever he wants and there is nothing anyone can do to stop him.
You're counting your chickens before they've hatched, and you're playing with fire by downplaying your enemy.
>>2656365What are those better things you're using your time money and effort on? Please give some examples and not just abstract shit like "organizing" or "going to protests".
>>2656355I've wanted something like this for a long time but I think leftypol is itself too reactionary to spread Marxism without ego getting in the way.
what is the trade bazooka?
>>2655695I hope russia rapes all of europe
>>2656324>You are free to chant the most radical, revolutionary, communist positions and not get banned.The mods on 4chan don't give a shit about the rules, they'll ban anyone who doesn't adhere to the narrative they want. Already happened to me.
>>2656370Working, finishing my degree, supporting my family and my spouse, and blowing off steam with less stressful things such as shitposting here or playing bass. If I had time to do any propaganda at the moment I'd join a union, not whatever the fuck you're doing. If you're so averse to do anything IRL just make a tiktok account or something.
>>2656364>I don't think we should endorse those beliefsThis is precisely the point, you do not need to.
Grief vitiates these spaces, in that they are consumed by an overwhelming despair at the present order of things. Give them a target for their hatred, the rich, and watch as they take a sledge hammer to their wall of beliefs which have imprisoned them for their lives.
>>2656379The beauty of this is that you could outflank the antisemitic tropes of the Fascists by just accusing them of defending their true masters, the rich.
Paint a bullseye on every member of the bourgeoisie and their petite-bourgeois lapdogs in an online space they cannot control, and watch as the site devours itself in an ever intensifying war
>>2656368paper tiger fetishism is the ideological support for the eternal victimization complex
You are doing "god emperor trump - but bad". You are stuck in the mindset of reactionaries.
>>2656296Pretty sure this guy is just a pervert. Also, why would 15-year old boys be interested in penis enlargement?
>>2656379Exactly. I think letting people come here to air out their grievances with…minorities, lgbt's, the working class, women, jews, whatever, and redirecting their frustration towards the bourgeois is more effective than just calling them chuds.
obviously, this will have a low success rate, and shouldn't be happening on the main board, but it's probably the only way to actually cut through all the right-wing misdirection and propaganda that blames everyone except the rich for all our societal problems.
Carving out an identity and online presence for the Left that is completely separate from Liberalism and Democrats is probably our #1 priority right now. I've been trying to do it alone for the last year on 4chan, any time "The Left" gets blamed for something reminding people that America doesn't have a Left and the Actual Left doesn't agree with unchecked immigration or rainbow capitalism or the pandering that goes on in the video game/movie industry. Eliminating the boogeyman of The Left and exposing people to our actual ideas is the only way to break the CIA brainwashing.
>>2656385No lmfao please god stop.
Listen: left wing consciousness is gained through struggle, and there is no piecemeal way to do this. The way I was radicalized was by a group of people who did not give me one fucking inch. It was a nonstop dunkfest on me for beinga retard, and for being
wrong. If the person can't handle a ruthless standard for TRUTH above all else, if they can't handle being called a fucktard in the middle of a dogpile of effortposted (you)s calling him a fucking retard little bitch for believing dumb shit, then he doesn't belong here.
He can go to fucking reddit.
>left wing consciousness
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Liberal.
>>2656391That cat is not optimistic.
>>2656389I think you might be a masochist.
>>2656385>this will have a low success rateThis is entirely defined by that capacity to present to these individuals a world view which is more aligned with their grief than they are willing to accept.
Literally all you would need to do to stir up hatred in a thread is post some parasite's instagram picture of their 5th mansion or their latest holiday, whilst reminding them that not only will they work themselves into an early grave, they will never be able to afford the most basic of luxuries these morons take for granted.
Just projecting back to them their own system of social divisions, and accusing those who defend this system as parasites just like their masters.
The entire site is defined by an inexhaustible hatred driven primarily by a language of radicalism. Bring them into revolutionary positions by simply adopting their language.
>>2656389>Listen: left wing consciousness is gained through struggle, and there is no piecemeal way to do this. no lol.
left-wing consciousness is gained through self-reflection and critical thinking and dialogue. you can in fact convince people to become a communist by simply appealing to their sense of reason and eliminating reactionary distractions.
a lot of people on here probably come here instead of posting on reddit because they grew up on imageboards surrounded by racism and sexism, and ended up on the left not through personal struggle but through curiosity, empathy, and exposure that dispelled their preprogrammed biases towards those groups.
most 4channers are malleable, naive, reactionary, and easily won over through appealing to their base desires. simply tell them the bourgeois are the thing stopping them from having a good life with a hot girlfriend and they'll die for your cause.
>>2656392Shame is an incredibly potent force. It must be used, and it must make the chud feel like he is letting his entire family down for
not being a communist.
And you know who is incapable of feeling shame? Anti-social retards like chuds and nazis. If they do not respond to shame, there is no hope for them as an individual.
>>2656397You cannot simply shame these individuals into correcting their world views, you must give them a new target. One which is closer to the truth than they are prepared to accept.
All the disorganized emotional frustration of the anti-semite must be replaced by one they cannot systematically deny through fantasy. Shame them not on the basis of the fact that they have been taught to hate jews, like so many liberals, but because of their stupidity for doing so and not recognising their real enemy, the bourgeoisie, on the basis of their common interests, that of their class.
>>2656397Sadomasochism is an incredibly potent force. It must be used, and it must make the chud feel like he is letting his entire family down for not being a communist.
And you know who is incapable of feeling sadomasochism? Anti-social retards like chuds and nazis. If they do not respond to sadomasochism, there is no hope for them as an individual.
>>2656396>left-wing consciousnessSo what happened to good old class consciousness? I didn't get the memo that Americans replaced the term.
Is this the idpol trickery I think it is?
>>2656389>The way I was radicalized was by a group of people who did not give me one fucking inch. It was a nonstop dunkfest on me for beinga retard, and for being wrong.also, this has a way worse success rate than being kind to people. like, this only works on people who desperately DESPERATELY want to fit in and be accepted and are willing to do anything to be accepted. it doesn't work on the average incel who is already accustomed to being an outcast.
bit of an extreme example but what did it for me was not being ostracized and dunked on but actually receiving empathy from working class people when I was a dumb edgelord teenager. someone that actually showed me kindness despite my toxic personality and had my best interest in mind. I literally went from posting edgy jokes about wetbacks and minutemen in the 00's to spreading caesar chavez thought to my friends because a mexican woman explained to me that i was being horrible to my classmates and showed me the situation many of them lived in while appealing to my empathy. being exposed to the actual victims of your edgelord shitposts has a way of getting spoiled white kids to stop being terrible without needing to mock them.
that isn't to say you can't mock nazis, but it's not going to convert them. mocking nazis should be used for rallying your own people against them and encouraging a nazi-free environment. but if you have any interest at all in "converting" people or building up your cause, empathy is better than ridicule since most humans are rational actors and can be reasoned with.
>>2656402>So what happened to good old class consciousness? I didn't get the memo that Americans replaced the term.Well, there are left-wing billionaires that would probably not be left-wing if they were class-conscious but idk people are weird. I still advocate robbing them tho.
>>2656404These indviduals use these spaces precisely because they have been socialized into inflicting injury on others through their beliefs.
You cannot sit them down and explain to them the reality of the world, because they are already brutally aware of it.
>>2656407>>2656404These online spaces are a truthful expression of the oppression that prevails due to class rule.
Empathy holds absolutely no sway and will have you derrided. You cannot counter the world view of someone who mindlessly despises Indians, views women as subservient, and worships the most reactionary of bourgeois politicians with empathy.
You must simply hold up to them a mirror, show them what they have become, and that their very being is a product of a world in which they have no real control.
>>2656297Then it wouldn't be the ACP. Join DSA
>>2656407I don't know if that's true, because they isolate themselves in an environment specifically to avoid being exposed to the consequences of their posts. They aren't posting this shit where minorities will see it, they're posting it on their "safe racist" platform on 4chan among other racists that reward that behavior. 99% of 4channers would never dare say this shit in real life or go to a anti-ICE protest and antagonize the protesters. They're not just scared of being ostracized but also of encountering people that are "unintended" victims of their rhetoric. They're happy to laugh when a woman gets killed by ICE, but wouldn't want to be the one pulling the trigger themselves.
>>2656410>Empathy holds absolutely no sway and will have you derrided. You cannot counter the world view of someone who mindlessly despises Indians, views women as subservient, and worships the most reactionary of bourgeois politicians with empathy. It depends because a lot of these people are just dickriders that treat politics like a game until it affects them personally. Empathy CAN work in the "I didn't think leopards would eat my neighbor's face!" way where people might change their views when exposed to the "real" politics outside the Fox News rhetoric. The average suburban American doesn't hate black people or mexicans, they just see them as "acceptable casualties" in the sportsball that is politics. I can't say all of them can be converted or that empathy is the correct path forward since…obviously there's red lines the Left can't allow, but dialogue should at least be encouraged. You can make fun of a worldview while still creating a message that redirects their anger to the bourgeois.
>You must simply hold up to them a mirror, show them what they have become, and that their very being is a product of a world in which they have no real control.I haven't seen this really work in practice. Shaming chuds for being racist, for being cucks to Zionists/billionaires, does nothing. They don't care about how their enemy sees them. Defining yourself as their enemy means your opinion no longer matters. In their black/white view of the world, if the enemy hates you then you're doing something right. They don't see politics as being about individuals so exposing them to the individual consequences of their beliefs(as in, the tyranny of ICE hurting their ability to own a gun, or AI making their video games more expensive, or tariffs making their life unaffordable) is a better way of converting these people than just shaming/ostracizing them. Once they are no longer spectators but actually directly invested in the politics, they tend to realize MAGA is no longer in their self-interest.
Trump comes off as a spoiled little brat lately who is simply not used to not getting what he wants.
>>2656420That's just what narcissism looks like when it's in a geriatric boomer with dementia. The filters come off and they reveal the fact they've always been a toddler at heart. They no longer concern themselves with manipulating people and just lash out if they don't get what they want until you give it to them.
>>2656384>Also, why would 15-year old boys be interested in penis enlargement?Comrade…
>>2656416>but wouldn't want to be the one pulling the trigger themselvesThis is nothing but the specular third hand or obscene enjoyment of violence in its unrestrained sense; this content is posted precisely because it is a reflection of a frustration imposed upon them from a world that denies the satisfaction of their desires, and in witnessing it they recognize in themselves the truth of their subjectivity and their honest relation to the world.
In a word, they may witness the brutality of class rule and simply cheer. They cling to these spaces because they are a defence against that which is imposed on them, which they know to exist; their racism is not defined by that of the ardent Fascist, but a subsequent denial of the repressive conditions of the society they live in and simply a dumb celebration of their capacity to share amongst themselves their grievances. That racism takes this course is because the site was overtaken by right wing shills in the first place, which have as of now exhausted it for all its organizing potential as the supporter base has shifted from 4chan to X and instagram.
>It depends because a lot of these people are just dickriders that treat politics like a game until it affects them personallyAgain, precisely the point; their political views are a reflection of that social order which sustains their existence. They know nothing else, because they have been taught nothing else. The purpose of our propagandizing would be to attatch to these individuals that social law in the extreme which they implicitly know they cannot violate: to despise, hate, and wish death to the rich.
>Shaming chuds for being racist, for being cucks to Zionists/billionaires, does nothingThis is the end goal. You cannot knock on the door of these spaces and hope to invade with the blind effort of merely cementing their position. To requote Mao
>>2656338This is entirely doable, as the moderators have given up. We are free to choose the boards, the language, and the narrative to adopt. All it would it take is the minimum amount required to carry it out, and organizing a way to do so.
>U.S. State Department warns of sanctions over "Free Speech" amid Korean Online Disinformation Act and Coupang DisputeAmerica is no threatening to put sanctions on South Korea. The imperialist gangsters have NEVER been more united!!!
https://www.chosun.com/international/us/2026/01/17/T7FZCUDFOZE6LNXMSEQQT4YPHE/ >>2656426Never before has this prospect been more realistic.
This online space is slipping from our finger tips as governments seek to restrict access to these sites. With it goes the largest opportunity to freely agitate without consequence, as every other online sphere is not just heavily moderated but actively controlled in which the extremist language by which we may fight back is subverted.
If you wish to actually do something useful, start a discord and take the fight directly to these people. They are proles, just like you. They will not attend your delusional little ACP rally, but give them the chance to recognize the truth, and they will scream death to the bourgeoisie until the end of existence
its funny how the existence of an american communist party makes the liberal larpers here angry
>>2656426good post
>This is entirely doable, as the moderators have given up. We are free to choose the boards, the language, and the narrative to adopt. All it would it take is the minimum amount required to carry it out, and organizing a way to do so.I would suggest buying 4chan banner ads. We have tons of images in the booru that can be turned into effective messaging on a site predominantly populated by disaffected unemployed young men with no life prospects.
appealing to the various hobby boards also works well. /k/ is ripe for anti-state left-wing 2nd amendment propaganda. /lit/ needs more people calling out the spam of low effort YA alt hist slop. /r9k/ needs people explaining that Capitalism is the reason women aren't dating you and chasing rich ugly oil barons instead.
>>2656430Do not buy ads: not only are they completely useless due to ad-blockers, but it will be immediately apparent of what is happening.
/k/ are ardent supporters of NATO and /lit/ are too slow. /r9k/ is perfect because the board imposes unique post rules, and the individuals there simply wish to discuss the world in a way that aligns with the truth.
>>2656296Israel actually has a major problem with sex crimes. A lot of this has to do with its no extradition policies. This substack gets into some psychobabble but it has some materialist nuggets
https://open.substack.com/pub/parapowermapper/p/postcolonial-pedostate-theory-a-communoid >>2656432ads aren't supposed to push a specific message but just to memeify and get attention to leftism on the site. most 4chan ads are just for porn or random dudes looking for a girlfriend anyway.
the last time i bought a 4chan ad it was for a vtuber and a bunch of boomers came to her stream from /pol/ asking why she was being advertised on /pol/, it was funny. unfortunately ads only work on the lowest autism score individuals that are either phoneposters or tech illiterate, so I agree it won't be an effective means of gaining new users. it should be linking to marxist resources instead of to this site.
Can america still avoid war with china?
>>2656438yes but it won't
>>2656438There won't be a war with China.
Just a civil war followed by the Pacific Northwest being annexed by China, the Midwest being annexed by Canada, the South going their own way as the world's last remaining slave state, and the Northeast being the first Non-European EU member state.
>>2656253>>2656265>>2656327>>2656331>>2656348Fascism is when America. The more America the more fascism.
No but seriously you have to identify the material base of fascism. IMO in the USA, the material base is the floundering oil and tech industries. This is very different then the case of Nazi Germany where it was the steel plants that were floundering. Read "The Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism". Fossil-fuel and tech are going to lead to a very different fascism than steel plant-fascism.
>>2656443The tech industry isn't really -that- fascistic tho. It's mostly populated by liberals and minorities just trying to get rich. I would say the financial industry is a greater part of the fascist superstructure than tech. Because finance is the reason we're in this "shareholders are god, stock price is everything" type of capitalism that dominates tech. Most tech CEO's just want to get their bag and retire with an asian wife after selling their startup. People like Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos are kind of exceptions to the rule for wanting to consume and accumulate endless wealth instead of cashing out.
imo if the Left occupied wallstreet (for real and not as a CIA glow op) American capitalism might grind to a halt and with it the fascist superstructure. if people burned down insurance company offices or hedge fund offices as a protest against their industries and if communities actually actively rejected these companies from "setting up" in their town it might actually disrupt the system quite a bit. if people rightfully recognized these predatory companies as toxic in the same way as loansharks, gambling dens, and pawn shops it'd do a lot to disrupt their operations.
>>2656449>liberals and minorities just trying to get rich.Uygha that's what fascism is.
Liberalism with all it contradictions resolved.
>>2656286I know some people are going to get crabby at me for saying this, but how on earth do they have the resources to do all this? They've existed for scarcely two years, and yet in that time have been able to do all sorts of flashy shit that prior parties haven't been able to do in two decades. And I'm not just talking about US-based communist parties, I'm talking about first world communist parties as a whole.
Some people would say that it makes them impressive, but on my end, it reads as suspicious. The CIA had its fingers all over the New Left movements of the 1960s, so seeing something like this, something so openly hostile to US interests gaining this much momentum in this short of a time with relatively little struggle doesn't make me think "wow, these guys are going places", it makes me think "wow, this reminds me a lot of the heavily fedded leftist parties of yesteryear that appeared out of nowhere and went nowhere".
And to be fair, I am biased against the ACP. I don't hate them as vehemently as other here do, but they're a party of a million small acts of revisionism that add up to an ideology that is as Marxist as Lassalleanism. But even if they were 100% ideologically coherent MLs, I would still be eying them with suspicion.
>>2656330>>2656338>>2656340>>2656343>>2656347>>2656355>>2656364>>2656367>>2656370>>2656379>>2656382>>2656385>>2656393>>2656400>>2656404>>2656410>>2656426>>2656428>>2656430>>2656435The problem with trying to appeal to people who already have a deeply ingrained ideology, which includes most /pol/ users, is that they generally aren't willing to uproot said ideology. It's incredibly difficult to knock down the foundation upon which all of your knowledge of the world is based, so most people simply don't.
The only way /pol/tards will ever buy what you're selling is if you water down your ideology to the point where it's more like theirs than it is yours, because otherwise they'll reject it on-sight. And at that point, you haven't dragged them further left in any meaningful way. At best, you've given rightoids the pediments of leftism, individual elements that they can syncretize into their existing ideology in order to further justify their already held core beliefs. At worst, you've dragged yourself further right, and are now judging your success on the basis of your ability to convince unconvincable retards of something.
I'm talking from experience, by the way. I spent literal years of my life trying to do the exact same thing you propose on the exact same site. And while I would sometimes see short-term gains, long-term, it had no meaningful effect on 4chan's overall ideological outlook.
The best people to appeal to are those who have not yet been radicalized; people who are more or less apolitical, but have material interests that would align them with revolution. This is what Mao and Lenin meant when they talked about engaging with the people.
>>2656424>this is the END for NewsomeYou promise? you better not be lying to me
>>2656452>The problem with trying to appeal to people who already have a deeply ingrained ideology, which includes most /pol/ users, is that they generally aren't willing to uproot said ideology.I don't really agree with this assumption, most of them don't have a "deeply ingrained ideology" they're just parroting their local community both irl and online to fit in. This is why conservatives tend to have a huge culture shift when they go to college and are no longer surrounded by conservative in-group reinforcement, and then their parents freak out when they go back home and are no longer racist.
We should be working hard to create an online "pipeline" like universities that unchuddifies young men by exposing them to different thought and removing the peer pressure aspect of racism. We should reward anti-racist thought and spread left-adjacent memes to make 4chan less of a right-wing dominated space so people feel less pressured to spam right-wing slop for (You)'s.
>The only way /pol/tards will ever buy what you're selling is if you water down your ideology to the point where it's more like theirs than it is yours, because otherwise they'll reject it on-sight.I also disagree with this, because fundamentally /pol/ HAS been moving towards the Left in terms of economic thought. MAGA and Trump's obliviousness towards economics has brought them from "free market is god" all the way to "tariffs are good actually, immigrants are eliminating working class jobs, china won because they made capitalism work for the state, btw have you heard of Strasserism?" and at this point they're just a few nudges away from the whole racist charade collapsing into class consciousness.
I'm not saying I know whether it'll work or not but I suspect we're in the best historical position to make it work compared to the last like 20 years I've been on 4chan. OWS is probably the closest its ever been to "4chan going Left-wing" and things over there are beginning to feel a lot like those days with how much people seem to hate not just Trump but Capitalism. There's this huge, untapped cognitive dissonance going on right now between the anti-capitalist, anti-zionist 4channers and the standard republican neocon 4channers, and the anti-zionists outnumber them by a pretty massive margin. pic related gets so many replies any time it's posted on /g/, just as an example. appealing to China's technological and economic prosperity in the 21st century and pointing to the "Zionist World Order's" failures in this respect is a winning strategy imo.
>>2656452It is not a coherent ideological basis, but merely a sociality which enables them to view, in however much a broken fashion, a version of the truth which they know to exist through a reactionary lens. You do not need to knock it over, because it is already waiting to topple; the delusional fantasies these posters engage in can be crushed in the same manner they were first radicalized, i.e. organized propagandizing.
You have it backwards: it is not the attempt to impose a doctrine or volume of principles, but merely to supplant those pathetic fallacies with which they confront the world around them, both on and offline. The imagery of this does not need to appeal through high ideals, but a language more violent and ruthless than to that which they have been exposed. The propensity of Fascist thought is a dog collar by which they have been purposefully shackled to the support of a political faction that no longer takes interest in them.
There is no attempt to blend, meld, or mesh our world view with these individuals. It is merely to replace those views which cannot properly express the nature of their oppression due to the circumstances of ideological repression at work.
You do not need to begin by quoting extracts of Lenin to them, but merely appealling to the broad sensibilities which unite them: their own exploitation as a class. These people are slaves. They have internalized the world view of a slave, and know no other consciousness but that of one.
Again, you do not need to teach these people how to have empathy. You need only show them how to hate, in its purest sense.
>>2656458in which they were first radicalized*
>>2656461>When they get in the way of ICE detaining foreign pedophilesTrump and his cronies?
>>2656462the same group that call immigrants pedophiles also advocate eliminating the age of consent. they only see pedophilia or rape accusations as an attack on your enemies, not an actual tangible "thing" that a person does but something that will simply sway people towards your side by invoking it.
>>2656463Link the thread, I wanna respond with
>>2656448 and accuse them of working for Langley
We should not weaken posting rules just to facilitate more /pol/tards posting here. I still regularly encounter posters who say homosexuals are bourgeois or fascist despite that being a bannable offense and this site never getting new posters. If they're that difficult to weed out then we don't need more of them.
We could have like a debate board or something where you're free to post reactionary shit perhaps, but not the rest of the site
>>2656464https://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/83708079>>2656465>We should not weaken posting rules just to facilitate more /pol/tards posting here.funny take from glownonymous, assuming you got banned and are evading.
>We could have like a debate board or something where you're free to post reactionary shit perhaps, but not the rest of the sitethis is a good idea. /siberia/ doesn't quite work for debate because its not taken seriously.
>>2656467>funny take from glownonymous, assuming you got banned and are evading.no i'm just paranoid about cybersecurity
This gay conversion therapy shit makes me miss Felix. Too bad he probably killed himself in his most recent bipolar depression.
>>2656469felix is probably rotting in a jail in el salvador rn for throwing a molotov at an ICE vehicle
>>2656461Cool. Make a new thread about it instead of posting it in here.
>>2656471If that were actually true I'd take back (almost) everything I said about him. But I know it's almost certainly not.
>>2656461WOW DUDE HOPY SHIT YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD THIS IS PRAXIS YES DUDE FUUUUUUUUUCK YESSSSS!!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!
>>2656472>>2656474sorry did this discussion get in the way of you reposting the same dumb drama about the same namefags you've been arguing over for the last like 2 years? god forbid leftypol users discuss how to make americans more left-wing in the leftypol general specifically for americans.
>>2656476BRING MORE POLTARDS HERE TO MAKE THE SITE EVEN WORSE BECAUSE OF
EMPATHY OR SOMETHING YESSS DUDE PRAXIS PRAXIS OMG YESSSSS YOU'RE DOING ITTTTTTYT
>>2656478Fuck off retard, this isn't your hugbox
Guys… what if we had MORE voluntarism, but it was also propagated on the literally shittiest website possible, from the second shittiest website, with no way to measure success, and no way to hold anyone accountable ever because it's anonymous?
Why didn't anyone think of that!!?? Holy shit dude
>>2656480Noooooooooo you can't attempt to subvert online discourse through organized action that's stupid
By the way attend my IWW union drive in which five people turn up and we denounce the Fascist American war machine
>>2656482>Organized>Anonymous website with no accountability Pick one, anarchiddy
>>2656483Organized on this side you fucking moron. If you want to spend the remaining years you have between now and the complete closure of online spaces such as leftypol responding to some retard who lives in the Chagos island spamming threads like this with utter nonsense, go right ahead.
>>2656482Joining an actual irl org > joining a real industrial union like IBEW, Boilermakers, Ironworkers, Operators, Nurses, Literally any of them > joining some dogshit trot union like iww >>>>>> posting on reddit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting on 4chan
>>2656485THIS WEBSITE IS ALSO ANONYMOUS WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISMS! THIS PLACE IS NOT A PLACE TO ORGANIZE! TOUCH FUCKING GRASS
>>2656487And yet you're posting here, on an imageboard, with other leftists
>>2656488Fuck me that's right I forgot, propagandizing online is forbidden.
Why? Because it's cringe.
So any guesses has to what hell awaits us this week in the US?
>more Greenland saga
>focusing back on Iran
>insurrection act
>something else???
>>2656492SHUT THE FUCK UP WE'RE DOING EMPATHY THIS IS THE EMPATHY THREAD NOW
>>2656491Not your personal army
>>2656487Reddit isn't better than 4chan. Reddit is far more moderated, controlled and your entire account can be banned or deleted. With 4chan you can just switch IPs. The real reason western leftists don;t like 4chan is because they are spinless and don't like people being mean.
>>2656495Reddit is dogshit. 4chan is the primordial essence of shit itself. I want to ask you: what do you think lies at the very core of the term "organize"?
>>2656494Stormfront literally laid the foundation on 4chan for the adoption of the MAGA movement there.
They had been doing for years what you are derriding which led to their eventual success; as a result they have had users carry out mass shootings across the globe, radicalized by the very networks they have helped to build by drawing people from these spaces.
You need to grow up and accept this reality. You cannot tell people to touch grass and wish the present state of affairs to go away, as it is in these places that the fortunes of political movements, businesses, and other social bodies rise and fall. This is why the government spends endless capital bank rolling social media programs to bot and control content online.
You are absolutely fucking delusional if you think this is going to go away because it irritates you.
>>2656491You're like a gayer more retarded version of a lib debate streamer
>>2656495Reddit's IP tracking software is extremely sophisticated, as accounts are shadowbanned upon creation by mere association in past logs.
>>2656499>>2656498 >>2656449>>2656443Wrong. The material basis of fascism is imperialism therefore amerika is the highest expression of fascism
>>2656498I cannot believe I'm reading this.
>You are absolutely delusionalMotherfucker YOU are delusional if you think you can make a dent in something this big by yourself without
centralization and
resources. If you want to propagandize at that level, move to China, become a computer scientist, and start a bot farm that actually pushes the needle.
You are doing voluntarism to the fucking extreme, on a website, AND trying to drag everyone here into it with you, shaming us for not following along, and not believing it will do anything.
>>2656500>Le stormfront >Le memes won the 2016 election slopOh my god bro shoot yourself you're a spastic
>The tech industry isn't really -that- fascistic
Wrong. amerikan tech is financial and imperialist therefore fascist.
>2025
>still believing 4chan wasn't turned nazi by state actors and billionaire dark money
>>2656495I stopped going to 4Chan because the content is shit
Last time i was there every 3rd post was about trans people
>>2656503I know right?
>Uh you know this very centrally organized, for-profit company that hired over a hundred people to push an agenda that was also part of a much larger political force, that was also centralized and funded by real money? Well THEY were able to go on 4chan, and that's how trump got elected :3 >>2656488Whenever retards repeat this shit about "online not being real organizing" I just want to beat them over the head with the fact 90% of political messaging has been through the internet and social media since like, 2009. If Marx or Lenin had internet they'd be calling you a fucking retard for not making use of it.
>>2656480>no way to hold anyone accountable ever because it's anonymous? this is a good thing actually. but I guess it depends on if you're a Communist or an Anarchist and think "holding people accountable" is actually a useful way to create political unity or just a way to dissuade political involvement under threat of harassment. personally I think anonymity good, decentralization good, subverting the glowie surveillance state good.
>>2656503I did not say that 4chan won the election. You have to recognize the reality here: Stormfront converted an entire site which at its peak in the 2016 period drew in tens of millions of users through an online presence which stretched back to their first attempts in the early 2010s.
They had their own user base which were committed to the task, who developed an entire software in order to do so. Why? Because Duke and others like him realized the value in these spaces. Fascists have recognized what you retards still have as of yet to take stock of, which is that these were, and presently are, the future.
It is sad that retards like you and this cunt
>>2656502 think any attempt at organizing a mutual basis to go out and propagandize online is somehow defective, because it is somehow specular.
You have absolutely no intent of winning power, and with it change, precisely because you are not prepared to commit to the very basics. When you lose access to these spaces, you will view this through the lens of inevitability, not having realized at last what you have lost.
Enjoy your days shitting up this thread and the board with your pathetically backward understanding of current political affairs; half the users here still do not understand what historical forces are at work in Minnesota, and thought the protests were the first steps in a mass revolution.
>>2656511>you have no intent of winning power because you are mean to me about my 4chan opSnorreeee snorrreee babies first time arguing on leftypol
>>2656511You have a lot of gumption, a lot of initiative, so PLEASE don't waste it here, you fucking naive anarkiddy. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Centralization is GOOD! It's how things are actually done!! It's the only way anything is done ever! Leftypol is not the place to launch anything, it's a space to be a dip shit off the clock.
>>2656514"If I deny reality the problem will go away"
>>2656364>pic relatedbut marx-sama told me value is socially necessary labor time… and cockshott told me price correlates 95% with labor values and not with fictitious capital… how can price points come from production that hasn't even occurred yet…
>>2656516Leftypol and 4chan aren't real life
>>2656516You're clearly young, and very new to this. Lurk more please.
You're not even reinventing the wheel, you're
failing, clumsily, to reinvent the wheel, in direct line of sight of the old heads. And you're not the first one lol. Far from it!
>>2656497>what do you think lies at the very core of the term "organize"?State violence forcing the idiots to get it together.
>>2656502Spending few minutes at a time engaging with some random poster and letting others read your leftist arguments isn't that big a deal imo
>>2656506It all depends on the thread and board. You aren't supposed to address every post, especially the empty insults.
>>2656518Reddit is a global social media platform that is actively subverted by the security state for defence purposes. It was started by a one man who simply wanted to share news links.
The average person spends more time now online in their spare time than they do offline. Advertising revenue through media usage is the single largest economic driving force, and has been as a result of the permeation of technology into the fabric of consumption.
You need to accept the fact that what occurs in these spaces is important; that sites like 4chan are the only avenues you have left for the contestation of your political program, and that you are unconditionally dependent on their existence in a way that you seem to believe you are not.
I remember when I was a young fresh anarcho-communist and I thought naively:
>If only everyone else in the world knew the correct things, the world would become communist
>>2656522>>2656518In fact advertising revenue is so large it is one of Meta's largest income streams. I cannot tell you how retarded you are if you won't even engage with others online in order to attempt to win them over because you think it somehow isn't "real".
>>2656523Bait harder
>>2656514He's right and you're just a baby that thinks being on the losing side of history is "based" and doing nothing is the most ideologically pure route.
Living in an echo chamber accomplishes nothing. Unless you're engaged in actual ideological battle with your enemies and making an effort to destroy them, you are a useful idiot.
>>2656518>Leftypol and 4chan aren't real lifewhat about all those 4channers that regularly get arrested for taking 4chan seriously and applying their incel ideology to real life? what about leftypolers like Felix that actually take the shit posted here and apply it to their real life organizing efforts?
we really should start taking ourselves more seriously on here. if you treat leftism as a game in your mind and downplay every suggestion as "not real marxism" then of course you'll never achieve anything. every successful revolution was a larp of unemployed dudes just throwing out ideas in a room, until it wasn't anymore.
stop being cowards, stop being afraid to dream big, stop embracing defeat before you even try.
>>2656519nta but I'm 35 and still think you're all defeatist faggots that saw OWS fail and Bernie fail and decided for the rest of your life that "online organizing doesn't work" just because I see this shit constantly among my own peers. It's a coward's excuse, rather than accepting that the methods of those movements were flawed, you just accept that they never could've won in the first place so it wasn't your fault.
This mindset will never achieve anything though. Every revolutionary that changed the world wasn't afraid of being ridiculed for being "silly" or "larping" or an idealist, meanwhile no one that called them that ever achieved anything. Complacency and acceptance of the status quo is just defeat.
>>2656524>>2656522>>2656518You, along with the other morons who systematically deny these realtiies, are left with no other line of reasoning other than the fact that you cannot comprehend spending your free time engaging in these spaces for personal enjoyment. Why?
Because the dull perspective you have been reduced to is viewing online interaction as a passive one-sided relationship in which you merely participate on the basis as a consumer. You have already deeply accepted the capitalist world order that you cannot imagine attempting to even change your circumstances except through those which are deemed institutionally acceptable.
You are no different than the users of 4chan, mired in a deep state of reaction, the mere difference being your set of beliefs.
Stare at this image until it hits home that you are wearing them without realising
>>2656526No I agree that online organizing does things. It's just that for leftists, it's not on 4chan, it's unironically on reddit, Facebook, and especially discord. That is actually happening right now as we speak and it's having an impact.
What I'm saying is if you're trying to actually do things and not just sit on your fat ass with no real obligations (exactly what this website is conducive for, which I thoroughly enjoy) then you need to go to those other websites to organize from.
THIS website is not the place to organize. Literally any other website is. You could even start a telegram channel. This place is specifically for NOT doing things. That's my entire point.
Also if you're going to actually put in the effort, make it worthwhile.
>>2656530except through those methods*
>>2656528>leftypol user has the same general outlook to internet interaction as any other imageboard userWoah. The stimulants are working in overtime and you're really gonna hit the nail on the head here, just a few more screeds. Just three more maybe. THEN I'll learn my lesson.
>>2656518It isn't the early internet anymore. 99% of the population is glued to screens showing internet slop.
>>2656431oh god yes please let poltards become russiagate-pilled
>>2656536This doesn't mean leftypol or 4chan are real life. Before you go and spend your precious hours competing with israeli botware to propagandize /pol/acks you should think about what you could be doing in the real material world instead.
>>2656536If you want to see people getting radicalized on a website unironically go to the Minneapolis subreddit and scroll for 5 seconds until you find the comments where they're talking about forming community defense cadres and preparing for a civil war.
>>2656531>No I agree that online organizing does things. It's just that for leftists, it's not on 4chan, it's unironically on reddit, Facebook, and especially discord. That is actually happening right now as we speak and it's having an impact. I disagree with this because, the problem with these more "social media" oriented platforms is that to participate you implicitly are A) participating in the AI surveillance state and B) are beholden to the rules and policies of whatever CIA/Mossad employee is assigned to moderate that particular platform. The only one I could see MAYBE being useful for leftists is tiktok, because it's Chinese, but even then they recently hired Israelis to manipulate the content feed to remove Left-wing thought. And even worse, they manipulate the algorithm not just to "remove" leftists but to promote opinions that throw a wrench in left-wing propaganda efforts like the massive effort these sites engaged in to derail Bernie's campaign over "M4A is too expensive and here's my extremely specific example of why" that you saw all over these sites.
Frankly, the kind of people on Reddit and Facebook just aren't curious or rebellious enough to be successful Marxists. They're mostly there because they were told to be, and their response to say, someone telling them Healthcare should be Free or Advertising is Evil or AI is Bad is to just think you're crazy for questioning the way things are, not to hear you out.
The reason I propose 4chan for recruiting is because 4channers already have a long history of being anti-authority, anti-Capitalist, and anti-glowie. They have, for decades, been vehemently opposed to things like AI, advertising, corporations, police brutality, etc if not on a reactionary level then at least on a cultural level.
I'm not gonna say you should organize on Reddit or Facebook because we should organize anywhere and everywhere we can, but I definitely think 4chan will be more successful since you're less likely to get shadowbanned by some employee in Langley. 4chan mods may be compromised, but the site's culture basically rejects even the mod team's own attempts at controlling the narrative, unlike places like reddit.
As for Discord, I just hate it because it puts every community behind a Discord login wall. If you've ever tried to get info on a video game you know exactly what I'm talking about. Discord is trying to be the Instagram/Facebook of gamers and I think if your platform isn't open to the public then there's basically no value in spreading propaganda on it. If you can't link someone to your post and be like "read this it explains my thoughts on this subject" then there's no reason to post on there, you're actively limiting the reach of your content. We should be opposing that kind of atomization of the internet and stick to open platforms where the lurkers are the primary audience.
>>2656539And even if they were real life, I would say there are aspects of real life that are more than a complete waste of time, they are entirely counterproductive.
>>2656540None of those people are real though, why would you post that shit on a subreddit that is controlled by the CIA? Those are glowies trying to get people to entrap themselves if you message them.
My only advice for posting on Reddit is to advertise decentralized and encrypted forms of communication and Reddit alternatives on there. I would suggest if you really want to post on the Minneapolis sub you make a guide for installing and using Signal or advertise encrypted chatrooms people can use to communicate without the Reddit mods. The goal when posting on mainstream social media is to get people off there and onto more human-oriented forms of communication.
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>>2656541>Site that has a majority population in israel is better for propagandizing than reddit, facebook, or even instagram where a majority of american proles resideYou're so smart anon ty
>>2656541>remote workers migratingWeird. If I had achieved essentially a passive income, I would not want to move to a place where my purchasing power goes down.
These people are getting paid at US/EU rates. THey could go somewhere poorer, live as a permanent yahoo tourist among other foreigners (if they are so desperate to avoid assimilating) and retire in their thirties. wtf.
>>2656556Most of these people are prostitutes trying to relocate to a place that makes their daily commute shorter. Just saying.
>>2656555That image was fake and probably Israeli propaganda, they love pushing the "we rule the world" narrative. I did enjoy spamming the Israel thread on /int/ during the war with Iran to antagonize them tho. That was hilarious.
I refuse to believe this US-EU spat is anything but kayfabe. Watch Trump taco next week and we'll be back to regularly scheduled NEH.
>>2656577this has the vibe of a catty discord server friend group where people constantly leak eachother's DM's to humiliate them until someone goes too far and the entire server implodes.
>>2656575hilarious. LLMs are not and will not be capable of automating all the jobs that CEOs dream that they will automate. at worst, they'll fire people thinking that they don't need them anymore because of some LLM and then they'll realize it's shit and they'll have to hire back at least some of those they fired. and that will definitely have a shock on the economy.
>>2656577world leaders are now messy bitches. drama queens. mean girls. etc. how embarrassing and funny.
>>2656584Give me four years to teach the children, and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted - Trump
>>2656457>I don't really agree with this assumptionIt isn't an assumption, it's real-world experience on my end that's also cooberated by Marxist thinkers of the past, including Lenin.
>they're just parroting their local community both irl and online4chan is not a "local community". It's not even algorithmic social media. It's a web forum with a relatively small user count that you voluntarily visit. The two are not at all comperable.
>We should be working hard to create an online "pipeline" like universities that unchuddifies young men by exposing them to different thought and removing the peer pressure aspect of racism.Okay, how? People choose to go to a college. They aren't going to choose to go to us unless they already agree with us.
>I also disagree with this, because fundamentally /pol/ HAS been moving towards the Left in terms of economic thought…at this point they're just a few nudges away from the whole racist charade collapsing into class consciousnessAt their core, these people are still motivated by the same reactionary idealist braindamage that they were before. They are not interested in improving quality of life on a baseline material level, of creating a society where everyone is able to live comfortably. No, they're interested in Based Trad Values, and are willing to take whatever path is necessary to achieve them. At the end of the day, they are no friends of socialism.
>and the standard republican neocon 4channers4chan was never used by "republican neocons". It jumped straight from apolitical edginess to naked alt-right fascism, thanks to a concerted effort by right-wing think tanks.
>appealing to China's technological and economic prosperity in the 21st century and pointing to the "Zionist World Order's" failures in this respect is a winning strategy imo.Please see the above paragraph on Based Trad Values for details.
Beyond all that, do you really think that you're the first guy to have this idea? Of course you fucking aren't. You're competing with a bunch of other people who had the exact same idea you did coming from the opposite direction, many of them actively paid to do so.
>>2656566that picture is an expression of philosophy
>>2656575why do so many of you go to the bot website, read the bot opinions, and really draw conclusions about the flesh people?
>>2656583>hilarious. LLMs are not and will not be capable of automating all the jobs that CEOs dream that they will automate. at worst, they'll fire people thinking that they don't need them anymore because of some LLM and then they'll realize it's shit and they'll have to hire back at least some of those they fired. and that will definitely have a shock on the economy.It's more a measure of intent than a current reality. CEO's have made it clear their end goal is automating all jobs and eliminating workers. Whether they can achieve that now or in 5 or 10 years is irrelevant because it's their plan regardless. Just like in 00's every company rapidly tried to build a web presence even though the internet was shit and not very useful, because they had a consensus among the bourgeois that this would be the new way to build growth.
If you aren't mentally preparing for the AI apocalypse and thinking of how to radicalize people when they're laid off by AI, you're just being lazy tbh. It's going to happen regardless of if it's now or in the near future.
>>2656588>Beyond all that, do you really think that you're the first guy to have this idea? Of course you fucking aren't. You're competing with a bunch of other people who had the exact same idea you did coming from the opposite direction, many of them actively paid to do so.Those people succeeded in getting what they wanted though. They turned 4chan into a far-right website and had 4chan users spread their ideas outwardly to the rest of the internet and now you can't spend 5 minutes on Xitter without getting exposed to a video of a liberal white woman getting shot by police with chudjak edits on top of it.
>>2656601>militarized policing normalizedalways been a thing
>unaccountable enforcement apparatusalways been a thing
>domestic "extremist" labelingalways been a thing
>other stuffJust superstructural cherries on top of what has always been a thing
Why discourage people that wanna do things? I fucking HATE the "read books and do nothing" line of thought. I went from reactoid to communist because a girl caught me talking shit in maplestory and explained why I was wrong to me, that shit DOES WORK.
>B-B-BUT THERE ARE BETTER THINGS TO DO
So? An action is better than an inaction, let people do their grain salt. If someone is able and willing to do something that can be a net positive then by all means let them. Bloody hell.
>>2656601>>2656602always cute when libs attempt critique
>>2656603>what youre doing is fucking retarded and useless<OH SO YOU WANT ME TO DO NOTHING??you are braindead 👍
>An action is better than an inactiondefinitionally false
>>2656597>Those people succeeded in getting what they wanted thoughBecause they got there first. Have fun undoing 15 years of propaganda!
>and had 4chan users spread their ideas outwardly to the rest of the internetThat was back when 4chan had actual cultural relevance, something that it's had less and less of with each passing year.
>>2656603He can do whatever the hell he wants. I don't really care. But his time will definitely better be spent elsewhere.
>>2656604Holy fuck what is wrong with him?
>>2656603> I went from reactoid to communist because a girl caught me talking shit in maplestory and explained why I was wrong to me, that shit DOES WORK.so… not because of your class interests?
>>2656606Yeah my communist friends lets stay holed up here just reading books and doing nothing.
Ignore the immature retards that see value in doing what they can, our duty as filthy commies is to stay put and bicker amongst each other. DO NOT TRY TO FLIP 4CHANNERS. DO NOT. DO. NOT.
Lets all do fuckall together instead 🥰🥰🥰
>>2656609You know people are propagandized against their own interests all the time dont you.
>>2656613>make fun of how you are a massive fucking retard for interpreting basic ass critique as "just do nothing and read books bro">still reply saying the exact same thing>TWICE IN A ROWlmfao are you a bot or just that much of an illiterate ape
>>2656617Wanting to do things makes you an ape, got it.
>>2656616Bros wtf is happening
>>2656619aw he put his main bitches in the pic
>>2656613>>2656618You know, it's the mark of a true genius to endlessly strawman anyone who dare criticize his plan.
Telling you to do something else, something more productive than arguing with retards on a small web forum with a far right userbase that is long past the peak of its popularity and is botted to hell and back, is not, in fact, the same thing as telling you to do nothing.
>>2656623Whats wrong with dropping a leftypilled post on 4chan after youre done doing irl shit? Im in an actual party in my country you know. If youre doing a 100 why not add a 1 and make if 101? For neet outcasts that dont go outside theyd be going from 0 to 1. Let people do stuff.
https://open.substack.com/pub/caitlinjohnstone/p/in-this-dystopia-you-cant-vote-againstI'm honestly extremely anti-gambling but don't really want to discuss it because so many people love gambling. IMO you should only be able to gamble at a physical casino. Lottery should be banned, no slot machines in the corner store, no gambling apps. Go bet on race horses at the track, get off the damn phone, at least.
I've always maintained that "communism with American characteristics" can't exist without guns, drugs and porn, but I don't think we need to keep gambling. Especially this very new, modern saturation of online gambling pushed by corporations who know that there's absolutely zero chance of upwards economic mobility so you might as well put the $50 you have after paying rent that you got from your 15 dollar an hour job on that parlay. Might be the only way out of the hood for you. Only way out of the machine for you. These corporations pray on this and its disgusting.
When I was living in San Antonio, all the corner stores had slot machines. And they were constantly lined up with poor people just looking to make a couple of dollars off those slots. These corner store owners are some of the scummiest small business owners around. Selling expired food in the food desert and preying on people at their lowest. Get your tallboy, you lotto tickets and come play slots. You have no hope, and at least it provides an escape from living in some rundown trailer behind some landlords house.
The amount of times I had spent my last few dollars on expired food, only to walk home and realize that it was moldy, expired by literal months, too damn high. Literally poisoning the communities your business exists in, in order to make profit. And of course the area I lived in was majority hispanic, and in the areas I've lived in that are majority black, it's the same exact thing. You got two corner stores, no grocery stores, not even a save-a-lot or dollar general, like an actual food desert. So there were absolutely times where I had to look at that same expired food and go "well these hotdogs are only two weeks out of date and buying them and the buns was literally all of my money, so I'm gonna try to eat them anyway"
And then you walk into these same corner stores and see a toddler and her mom playing the slots, the toddler being the one pressing the button while she sips from her brown bag, and yeah, there's a level of personal choice there, but when you exist in a system as brutal as that, I cannot blame the individual but those profiting off them. Yet, so many can't imagine why people living in these brutal economic zones turn to informal economies in order to survive. Like, no shit there's gonna be people selling nickelbags right outside that cornerstore, they are people trying to survive and trying to use their labor to make money, not really any different than any other worker.
>>2656434This happened in NYC, not Israel.
>>2656600Haute Bourgeoisie will try to use tech to transition out of capitalism into a new system with them still on top. They are fully aware that capitalism is unstable. Only petite bourgeois are true believers in capitalism and they are being eliminated.
>>2656620makes all the "as soon as peter thiel gives you money you're gonna become a fascist" critiques I get online seem so unrealistic and really cringe. Here I am, literally being handled that money by the system, and turning it down because it does not align with my principles and would result in spiritual death if I was to take that type of job. It also makes the "you're just a burger flipper" insults seem trite, I mean, so is the bulk of the working class!
>>2656641You think he underwent metzitzah b'peh as a baby?
>>2656629>I'm honestly extremely anti-gambling but don't really want to discuss it because so many people love gambling. IMO you should only be able to gamble at a physical casino. Lottery should be banned, no slot machines in the corner store, no gambling apps. Go bet on race horses at the track, get off the damn phone, at least.this is so stupidly arbitrary lol
anyway why tf would a society with no money have fucking gambling???????????????
>>2656646you're not gonna trick me into looking that up again, i know what it is, and I don't feel like clearing cache
>>2656640if the bourgeoisie tried to transition out of capitalism into a new system with them on top, that system would still rely on exploitation, surplus labor, and functionally be a class society even if it's not a capitalist society. this is why communists say abolish class, not just capitalism.
when the organic composition of capital changes so that commodities are super cheap because of automation, that puts a lot of people out of work, in the reserve army of labor. either you subsidize their existence and give them service jobs that don't produce surplus value or they riot. this is the problem in the imperial core, but it's about to become the problem in the whole world once it's developed enough.
also you still need people who maintain the machines. you can automation the automation and automate the maintenance of the automation, and automate the maintenance of the maintenance of the automation, but somewhere at the end of the long chain you need a human being doing quality control and making sure the system still operates on behalf of human beings.
i somehow fucked up that post twice >>2656650>why would anyone in a society with no money do X thingI love idealism! I love utopian thinking and theorizing!
There are AES states right now brother and every single one of them still has money! Workers in China are paid a wage! Workers in Cuba are paid a wage! If revolution happened tomorrow in America, money would still exist, so would jobs, so would poverty even! Because there's going to be a long transitional period wherein the communist leadership has to deal with the contradictions of striving towards communism from capitalism.
Any realistic, pragmatic movement will need to understand these contradictions that are inherent with late-stage capitalist American society and attempt to resolve them over a long period of time via praxis, praxis that becomes significantly easier to enact after a revolution.
One of the largest cities in the US is literally dedicated to gambling, sex work and other "ills", Las Vegas. I would really be interested in how other revolutionaries see how this city can immediately be shifted overnight, it's really nonsensical to think it could be. It would be a slow overhaul, if anything. Stronger restrictions, worker protections, and eventually cutting off the flow of profit for these gambling companies, maybe nationalizing them, maybe restricting them to such a degree where they are essentially state controlled.
>>2656616>>2656654and yet the left-wing of imeprialism (DSA and CPUSA dickriders) will laugh at it
Beautiful Chagos is just a coconut-banana-papaya joke to them
Death to America, Death to Amerikkkans
>>2656629Wrong. Proletarians do not gamble. Gambling is endemic bourgeois problem. Gambling is good because it ruins the petty-bourgeois. but porn and narcotics are anti-Communist.
>>2656659In Communism, gambling, narcotics, and prostitution are all illegal. This is furthest thing from utopian thinking. Las Vegas will be emptied out like Phenom Penh and all these negative elements reformed
>>2656674Why would they do this to their best soldier?
Trump is the Yankgeist par excellence: warmonger, pedo, tacky, retarded. You cannot name me a more American man than him.
>>2656675I'm not saying that the US military are saints, but I don't think they like the prospect of breaking up NATO while they get talked down to by neurotic alcoholic of a new boss who was just a former reservist.
>>2656676Unironically this was the same thought pattern with Gorbachev and Soviet generals. It was assumed that a coup was going to happen in the late 80s as the Warsaw Pact countries literally collapse and it seemed like the Secretariat was just incompetent and letting it happened. The US has a Gorbachev and our generals will not overthrow him till the final moment when it is too late
>>2656681Still waiting for that. Seems to me like Trump gets everything he wants and every so called anti imperialist cucks out
>>2656658>this is the problem in the imperial core, but it's about to become the problem in the whole world once it's developed enough.Pretty sure they will try to kill off as many proles as possible as automation increases. Global warming destroying the equatorial regions is a good start. They could also launch some small nukes at larger population centers or create some new diseases and then give themselves immunity to them.
>but somewhere at the end of the long chain you need a human being doing quality control and making sure the system still operates on behalf of human beings.And those people will be them. Maybe that is technically some form of communism at that point. Would be ironic if the bourgeoisie are the true last revolutionary class who reach communism and not proles.
>>2656664Will board games that rely on dice or card games that rely on shuffling be outlawed too? Technically those are small forms of gambling using tokens instead of money.
>>2656684There's only so many times you can get away with that.
>>2656686Well, the US seems to get away with everything
>>2656687So far, but the Nazis also got away with a lot of stuff until they finally pushed their luck too far and started a conflict that ended with their entire country in ruins.
I don't know if it will come to a world war, but the US might find itself on the business end of international sanctions and embargoes for the first time in its existence.
>>2656676you are very naive if you think the euros will break NATO. Euros are completely subservient to Amerikkka. The Yank will fuck the Euro in the ass and the Euro will thank the Yank for it and even offer him some more.
>>2656676You are wrong because you speak as if the military is not entirely fascist. The military are all fascist imperialist bribed petty-bourgeois labor aristocrats.
https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4363528/just-in-time-for-christmas-nation-gifts-service-members-1776-warrior-dividend/ >>2656689The Nazis made the mistake of directly fighting against the communists which was an enourmous enemy to fascism in the world back then. We're in a different world now
>>2656694Yeah, the current fascists are even stupider
>>2656664my favorite idiot, what about macau?
>>2656664I agree but cannabis, alcohol, and cigarettes, are cultured proletarian entertainment and socializing tool. Bourgeois drugs like cocaine ought to be persecuted.
>>2656714>cannabis, alcohol, and cigarettes, are cultured proletarian entertainmentNope, all that has got to go. There's plenty of other forms of entertainment. You'll be healthy and you'll be happy.
> and socializing tool.Why would people in a communist society need tools to socialize?
>>2656724They have been used by humanity since primitive communism
THOUGH >>2656620Bud, you’ve never held a job. No one ever reached out to you
I think Trump annexing Greenland and couping Venezuela is an indirect admission that the US has lost against dedollarization. Last year Trump still talked big about punishing BRICS if theg dared to dedollarize:now you have gold and silver skyrocketing (since people are exchanging their share of US bonds with precious metals) and there are nary a peep from the US gov. I think DC realizes that dedollarization is inevitable and the US needs to bulk up in real resources like oil or rare earth so the US can weather the coming dedollarization
>>2656756It's job recruiter spam. Says you need active secret clearance which erik definitely doesn't have lol
>>2656767<The Norwegian state has no role in the Nobel Prizes; instead, they are the responsibility of an independent committee.They are being really weaselly here. That "independent committee" is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament…
Are they doing the "the people of greenland yearn for freedom" and "free the people of canada from communist dictatorship" bits yet?
Or is that too heavy handed even for them?
Would be pretty easy to do in both cases, greenland is too small to counteract the media barrage, and all canadian media is owned by americans anyway (+ the canadian right wing is full of america simps)
Chagos poster are you from the Chagos islands?
>>2656786Only shityank military personel are allowed to be on the Chagos Islands. ALl the natives were deported in the 60s.
I am a proud citizen of the Socialist Republic of Mauritius, the rightful owner of the Chagos Archipelagos.
People say "boo, adventurism is useless"
But that's true when it comes to the actions of a true revolutionary communist and a true revolutionary communist party.
Of course it's better for committed marxist communists to advance the struggle in a scientific and strategic manner.
But when it comes to random american leftoids, there is no such option. The only options are: be the willing mouthpiece of empire, do nothing, kill yourself, kill yourself and as many of your fellow americans as you can.
For a NON-COMMUNIST petty bourg leftoid useless piece of shit who will never become a real marxist communist, the latter is objectively the most beneficial course of action.
"proletarians do not gamble"
in response to a story about how gambling preys on the working class, as told with actual lived experience is crazy work
Good to see Mini soda businesses signing up to a general strike on Friday. It may end up being smallish and short, who knows, but when was the last time any general strike was performed in the USA?
>>2656789uygha at least put a bit of effort in.
>>2656796effort in what? being coccupied by the yankee bonobos?
>>2656796>Good to see Mini soda businesses signing up to a general strike on Friday. It may end up being smallish and short, who knows, but when was the last time any general strike was performed in the USA?oh my bad, you are retarded.
>>2656789Sorry I didn't know that, I thought it was only Diego Garcia that got genocided and the rest were still inhabited. The British and Amerikkkan empires are truly fucking evil, worse than I thought, and they deserve all violence aimed towards them. I despise the royalist entity which occupies my country too I wish that fucking dog Charles Winsor was skinned alive along with all those fucking labour dogs and yanks all boiled into a stew that is fed to replenish wildlife.
You would not believe how insane the media is in the Royalist Entity ("UK") btw, they act like selling the islands is some massive stupid mistake and crucify the government for it. And, I just looked it up, this is despite the entity not actually giving up Diego Garcia and forcing it to be leased for 99 years! Those gammon pigs will just do whatever they want to maintain the United $nakkke$ death camp on the island. Butcher them all, go in at night in scuba gear and swim up onto the beaches, start killing every soldier on the island until all the occupiers are dead.
>>2656790What about the RAF option? Even a Luigi is better than random mass shootings, third worldist scum
>>2656802>forcing it to be leased for 99 years! Were they forced or is Mauritius simply collaborators who don't care about 1,000 random islanders and would prefer money?
>>2656809Disgusting dickless baboon, how can Mauritius wage war on the US army base? How can there be a struggle between the sword and the neck?
You yank cocksucker work hard to whitewash your pedophiliac imperialism by flipping the responsibility on the heroic Mauritian socialists.
>>2656802The GNNews-cocksucking Tory-ass-tonguing conservartards have also propped up a 'government-in-exile' recently, where the 'First Minister' was voted by 96% of the votes of 1000 Chagossian gusanos (there are about 150000 chagosians worldwide, majority in mauritius). This ugly mongrel., Mr Mandarin says that he will die to keep Chagos British. This pops up precisely after decades of struggle of Chagossian activisits (led by Mr Olivier Bancoult) who fought from the ICJ to the UN to have Mauritian sovereignty recognised.
THe UN consistently voted in our favour by the way, there have been consistently only 6 voting against us (UK, USA, Australia, Israel, Maldives, Hungary).
>>2656375Why is it always about rape with the ziggers?
>>2656822One of the biggest issues the RAF faced was a lack of media support and propaganda that enabled their struggle to be connected to the broader working masses. This goes back to Gramsci's discussions on building a counter-hegemony. Ie a culture that is primed to support the revolution.
This is one reason why I started the magazine, and why I focus on 'culture' (ie music, gaming, arts, creatives, and other things of that ilk). you cannot seize political power if you do not first build cultural power, the right wing knows this better than we do, in a lot of ways. Think about the direct line between things like gamergate and the rise of Trumpian politics. Think about how these things are connected, and know we should be doing the same. They of course have the benefit of having billionaires and capitalists doing their funding, think tanks doing their marketing, and pro-capitalist algorithms boosting their content, but all of this doesn't negate the need for us to do the same. The new left knew this, but lacked strong connections to the workers, and lacked a militancy able to seize the means of production, but the concepts of "counter culture", detournament, recuperation and others are still essential knowledge today.
The left's culture is typically very sterile, academic and ultimately "uncool" and feels a lot like a puritan reading club, that's often marked by a fetishistic outlook on the "pure past" and not the creation of a new future. It often rejects pleasure, humor, aesthetics, and the messy "vibes" of actual human life in favor of correct-line asceticism. What does socialist fun look like? Socialist beauty? Socialist community? Socialist heroism? Socialist pleasure?
>>2656620looks like spam tbh fam
>>2656822Agreed. RAF is leagues above Luigi. In fact they are above the majority of western leftist groups throughout history. Just saying even Luigi is better than random mass shooting which is what third worldist anon seems to want
>>2656830Ok, Mauritius was put into a corner and took what they could get but lets not pretend the Labour Party is socialist.
>>2656845No, the Labour Party is comprador cocksucker. The best choice among the bourgeois parties here is the Militant Socialist Movement, which was in power from 2014 to 2024. The Labour assholes are now reversing many of the succdem policies of the MSM. In any case, the socialist republic will be defended, no matter who is at its helm, in face of Yankee Savagery.
>>2656840HHoudini is delusional, he thinks he's relevant
let him be
>>2656848You’re posting here instead of working with the Militant Socialist Movement?
Are you one of those screenies who thinks posting is praxis
>>2656838The BLA faced the exact same issue. The only way to avoid this isolation is to create a culture that can accommodate the radical.
Which is why I talk about navigating class contradictions and the importance of ideologically aligned third spaces in this piece, which is based on 6 months of embed IRL experience with these contradictions.
https://houdinimagazine.com/articles/2026-01-17-motion-is-not-momentum >>2656854I'm one of their best on-field agents you yankee moron. Maybe for your bonobo brain it takes a lot of effort to post on an imageboard, but for normal human beings, it's really not a big deal.
>>2656861>I’m one of their best on-field agents You must have incredible time management skills!
Permaban chagos
>>2656868He’ll just use tor or a VPN. Just mock him and the Hungarian simp for being pretentious hypocrites
mods send sandposter straight to hell
>>2656324>I need the lumpen right-wing NEETs on our side!Jesus Christ, let it die.
>>2656864trivial stuff as long as you are not a lead-drinking yank chimp
>>2656869>>2656873the yankee left-imperialists when their imperialism is called out by the direct victiims and not by a vocally-fried art hoe on youtube
the chagossian bayonet
will be shoved up your ass
Bitch tourist status?
>>2656693That doesn't mean they are going to go along with self destructive actions that obviously work against the interests of the American Empire. If the US annexes Greenland they gain precisely nothing, since they already have all the access to it they could ever need. But they endanger one of the most important pillars of their global influence. An American general thinking purely of US self interest and the survival of US imperialism would refuse an order to attack Greenland.
Reminder that high birthrates are progressive.
>>2656878>vocally-fried art hoe on youtubeomg to even type this you have to be spiritiually amerikkkan at this point. stop talking to amerikkkans, they are destroying your communist mind
>>2656338Remember the time Mao said video game, anime, and porn addicted NEETs were who Communism should appeal to first? Because I don’t.
>>2656884Progressive for capitalism yes
>>2656720Yeah I wish I listened to Ron Paul goldbugs in 2008 tbh
>>2656874the ugly ass font he uses in the thumbnail makes it read as "2020"
>>2656884>high birthrates areFight not thy fate
Tis quite the weight
Not slight, but great
Just bite his bait
>>2656878Don’t get the wrong idea, I’m very impressed. You find time to do armed struggle while posting all day?
That’s impressive!! Are you Torposting inbetween firing shots at yanks? Are you hiding behind cover, making a post, taking a shot with your gun, and then take cover to post again? How can I learn such multitasking power????
>>2656885>stop talking to amerikkkans,On one hand, I have to bully the amerikkkan for his savage imperialism, on the other, I agree with you. Their anti-scientific reasoning rubs on me and degrades my communist mettle.
>>2656889High birthrates accelerate thr crisis of overproduction. Capitalists destroy productive forces, that is, workers for a reason.
>>2656899Ah yes, the science of bullying because you compulsively look at bad opinions on the internet!
>>2656898>armed struggleWho spoke of armed struggle you moron? The MSM is not 'militant' as in armed. It is a succdem borugeois party, but somehow still infinitely better than any of America's 'Left'.
The more ignorant the Yank, the more smug he is.
>>2656903Ah, yes, yes, I see. So surely you are engaging in on-the-ground fieldwork between posts, yes?
>>2656905He has adhd. He is doing multiple things at once
>>2656906Hmm, yes. By refusing medication and drinking as much caffeine as possible, Chagosposter has mastered teleportation.
>>2656908He is a phoneposter
>>2656909Of course. Surely he is an effective field agent as he posts while out in the field.
>posting is not praxis
But it is.
>>2656905on-the-ground political propaganda is not a 24/7 work. You would know if your mayo ass ever did something. I have a normal job. I do political canvassing for the MSM when required (intensive only around election time, else it's quite chill).
Posting here literally takes a few minutes, you're talking as if one needs to breach mountains and rivers to make a leftypol post lmao. Or maybe you truly are retarded and making a leftpol post requires a lot of effort for you.
>>2656914Nah, it’s ineffectual masturbation
>>2656849>saying that pluralist democracy won't fix things.thing never tried, oh lawd.
>>2656899>On one hand, I have to bully the amerikkkan for his savage imperialismYou should kill us. By merely cyberbullyingto us you only reveal mercy for your supposed class enemy. Either accept your own thesis that we are all irredeemable imperialists, and therefore not capable of being reeducated, or accept that some of us might be class allies and your thesis is incorrect. This lukewarm approach you take is agonizing not for us, but for you.
>>2656799>whodunnyThat is funi. U r funi. I bet you voted fro the funi too!
>>2656915Ah, I see, I see. So you’re multitasking at work by posting here all day?
I see, I see. Starting arguments on a dying imageboard with a poor reputation is an excellent vehicle for propaganda. I salute your bold contribution to the MSM’s outreach campaign!
>>2656901literally the opposite. overproduction gets worse when there's less people consuming and being exploited. bait or retardation I can't tell
>Capitalists destroy productive forces, that is, workers for a reasonLol no. stupid capitalists are unknowingly hastening capitalisms demise. don't forget they'll be selling us the rope used to hang them
>>2656915making a good post requires effort. but you're more of a quantity over quality guy. All your posts are very short, hostile, and say nothing we haven't heard before. I suppose that's good if your goal is to be annoying rather than actually teach people.
>>2656928No, no, you see? Expressing annoyance at immature behavior is imperialism! Only napalming every yankee newborn on earth can abolish the value form
>>2656930i might have been born in america, lived in america my whole life, and will die in america, but I do not identify as american so nothing chagosposter says can hurt my feelings, because they do not apply to me. i was assigned american at birth but i am not american, it trvly is that shrimple.
>>2656915> I do political canvassing for the MSM when requiredOH MY GOD HE WORKS FOR THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA
just kidding >>2656917Masturbation is also a praxis, though
>>2656943same retarded argument leftkkkoms use to deny the holocaust btw
>>2656944chat are the balls the trve forces of production
>>2656943a crisis of overproduction is not the same thing as the destruction of the productive forces. those are two different things.
>>2656946tbf i don't think they deny the holocaust but simply say it was historically progressive, which, in marxist terms, is never inrended to mean "morally good," just "accelerationist"
>>2656915>I do political canvassing for the MSMMonke Socialist Movement?
Militant Sexual Macaroni?
>>2656952And? Dont they destroy the productive forces to delay the crisis?
>>2656928yankee baboons will not know what to do with a good post. yankee baboon will purposefully ignore the bigger picture and descend into pedantic nitpicking and shitflinging
>>2656935understandable
>>2656924meanwhile you do nothing to fight your imperialist machine because you benefit from it, you parasite
>>2656501Imperialism doesn't come from nowhere. Imperialism comes from specific industrial monopolies merging with the state. US industry has concrete and specific economic needs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States_by_sector Hand-waving imperialism does no good. The state acts to protect the valorization of capital where the most money is invested, not just any random bullshit.
>>2656876 >What's the point of using automation to speed up commodity production if there is nobody to consume your commodities? They are still trapped in the capitalist system. They are currently using workers, engineers, and scientist to figure out how to eliminate the problems of automation and AI and get out of capitalism. But even if they don't figure out the tech they can still achieve a smaller more controlled society easily enough.
> do rich people really trust a hallucinating LLMObviously they will want to iron out such problems first. However, having a smaller more controlled society that can produce trained doctors isn't impossible at all. Maybe AI doesn't work out but you don't need billions of people for a new reorganized society with them still on top.
>It can only augment the productive capacity of human labor, not replace it.A closed fully automated system is theoretically possible. Such a system needs machines that can access fuel such as wind, sun and nuclear to power the machines and factories that produce the parts that builds, repairs and recycles the other machines and factories. You don't need creative AI for this once it's set up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing)>Because if you don't have humans making decisions based on human interest, the automation loses the plot very quickly.This assume humans haven't already set up a closed system. But even if they don't fully figure it out you only need just enough humans to keep it going, not billions.
>muh neotechnofeudalism
There is no fascism in america.
>>2656449>>2656451>>2656969The fascization of tech has been pretty slow-burn but it's been in the works for a while. I do think that there has been an acceleration in the fascization of tech just very recently in the last decade or so. It's only since the tech industry has been in crisis for a while that it's accelerating more and more towards fascism. It's not always the same industries behind fascism every time.
>>2656966Yes, yes! Hot, steaming, succulent truth delivered straight from the mind womb of chagosposter! Delicious, scrumptious,
EROTIC. To an audience of 58 unique IPs! Outreach, delicious outreach!
>>2656941I don't think this
CHYNA AND RUSHA! bit is landing, to be frank
The average liberal does not want that sort of inequivocal "we are going to war" language. They don't care if every outgroup gets shipped to gas chambers, as long as the optics within the ingroup remain virtuous… and the army remains voluntary. Trump is hinting too hard at the prospect of USAnos fighting their own wars again, rather than by proxy.
Nobody likes that.
They know the pretexts they use to antagonize rivals are bollocks. They know the pretexts of "freedom", "democracy" and "human rights" are obviously fake ass bullshit. So when those shared fictions are deployed to excuse waht they recognize as the "flailing" stage of fascism, they know, instinctively what that means for them and they don't like it.
>>2656988>The United States' plans to annex Greenland may only surprise at first glance and lead to the mistaken belief that these are merely extravagant remarks by President Trump. In fact, the U.S. had such plans as early as the 1860s, when the administration considered annexing Greenland and Iceland, but the idea lacked congressional support at the time. In 1910, a trilateral deal was prepared to exchange territories between the U.S., Germany, and Denmark, which would have granted Greenland to the United States, but the agreement ultimately fell through. During World War II, the U.S. established military bases in Greenland, and after the war, it offered to purchase the island from Denmark. In summary, the United States has serious plans regarding Greenland. These plans have deep historical roots, and the U.S. will continue to systematically advance its geopolitical, military-political, and economic interests in the Arctic.-
Vladimir Putin >>2656604>>2656577holy shit europeans are cucked lmfao. does mossad have footage of macron diddling kids or something? or does he just love sucking 80 yr old senile penises?
>>2657001Putin The Historian. Putin The Historical Materialist.
>>2656999What people really don’t get is that Iraq REALLY killed the average burger’s appetite for war. Nowadays, when a president goes to war, it’s him going
AHAHAHA SIKE to his voters
>>2657002>does mossad have footage of [ ] diddling kidsI'm leaning on the the answer to this being always yes
>>2657001Putin The Historical Materialist doesnt fall for the muh great Trump theory. Putin The Materialist recongnizes the impersonal state and impersonal material forces at play.
>>2657014Whoa, you’ve met Putin!?
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