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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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is the war on pause for the winter?
Zelya these last hours:
>"''As regards our troops, you know we have a war, all our soldiers are on the front. I have very good relations with Mette [Frederiksen, Prime Minister of Denmark – ed.]. She has not approached me on this issue.
>I think it is because everyone understands: Ukraine is not in NATO, we are not being taken into NATO, all of this is clear"
>"Last year, here in Davos, I ended my speech with the words: 'Europe must be able to defend itself.' A year has passed, and nothing has changed. We are still in a situation where I am forced to repeat the same words."
>>2660118More Russian incursions in the Sumy and Kherson regions, so it doesn't look like it.
first as a comedy, then as a fart
>>2660194>It's not my fault, and it's not my problem.Should have got his ass kicked at least.
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/military-intelligence-entraps-parliament
>Threatened with 5-10 years imprisonment by the anti-corruption organs, the ever-colourful Yuliya Tymoshenko has certainly livened up the already-entertaining Ukrainian political safari. Here’s a fragment from her recent sparring with the judge of the high anti-corruption court of Ukraine:
<Tymoshenko: This is Stalinism! Soon they will be judging with troikas again!
>Judge: In 1937, they didn’t use “preventive detention,” Yulia Volodymyrivna.
<Lawyer: How will they be able to control Yulia Volodymyrivna, who will be abroad, with control measures?
>Judge: I think the police would gladly go abroad for her escort.
<Tymoshenko’s Lawyer: It’s upsetting to me that this parliament can be bribed for 10,000 dollars.
>Judge: And what price should we be talking about?
<January 17
>But that’s not all. Here’s what she said on the 16th:
<Even if they try to forcibly remove me from Ukraine, I will not go anywhere. Because when I give my main speech address and explain what is happening to the country today, what this whole pack of animals is doing, you will clearly understand that not only will I not go anywhere, but I will stay here until the country is liberated from them.
<…I will remain here until the country is freed from this, essentially, fascist regime.…
<The next electoral campaign after the end of the war will not be about East versus West of Ukraine. It will be about who stands for a sovereign country and who will be puppets, essentially turning Ukraine into a hybrid colony. That is where the political struggle will take place.
<We are uniting not only parliament, but also society, regional elites, and central elites. We are doing this work every day, because if this work is not done, the next five years will be the last years in the life of independent Ukraine.
<The country will have a coat of arms, a flag, and an anthem, but beyond that we will have nothing. Our people will be scattered all over the world. And here there will be beautiful, socially oriented corporations that will manage their own interests — not those of Ukrainians.
<As proof of this, a new Labor Code is now being introduced in Ukraine, under which working people are practically deprived of rights guaranteed by international law: guarantees of an eight-hour working day, collective agreements, protection for pregnant women, the prohibition of child labor, and so on. All of this is annulled in this Labor Code.
<What is needed is not a people, dear friends, but slaves who will service foreign trillion-dollar business empires on our territory. And every law we oppose today is being adopted precisely for this purpose.
>Of course, Tymoshenko said nothing about fascism when she and her MPs voted for brutal mobilization and Zelensky’s other undemocratic bills. But more on her voting patterns later. >Russia offered Maduro asylum via Vatican before US capture
Russia presented a formal proposal to the United States through Vatican mediation to facilitate Nicolás Maduro's departure from Venezuela in the months leading up to the military operation that resulted in his capture, according to diplomatic sources cited by Spanish outlet ABC.
The initiative, reportedly channelled through Cardinal Pietro Parolin, offered Maduro political asylum and personal security guarantees in Russian territory under the direct backing of President Vladimir Putin, the sources said. The proposal also extended to other senior officials in the former Venezuelan leader's administration.
Moscow's objective was to prevent US military intervention, contain regional instability and preserve dialogue channels with the Trump administration on other strategic matters including the Ukraine war, according to the sources.
The offer recalled the one given to former Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, another close Kremlin ally who was granted asylum in Russia after his toppling in December 2024 but now lives in isolation, cut off from external communication and effectively confined despite his formal protection.
However, the plan collapsed when Maduro rejected the negotiated solution, reportedly due to concerns about his personal circumstances in exile and potential loss of control over foreign financial assets. The former Venezuelan leader demanded complete immunity, economic assurances and the ability to maintain a comfortable living standard in Russia, conditions that were not accepted, the sources said.
The Kremlin's diplomatic effort reflected Russia's desire to avoid an armed confrontation that would expose vulnerabilities in its military systems deployed in Venezuela and result in the definitive loss of its principal strategic ally in Latin America.
For over two decades, Venezuela served as a cornerstone of Russia's geopolitical presence in the Western Hemisphere through energy cooperation agreements, arms sales and political support against Washington.
Following the breakdown of diplomatic channels, the Venezuelan crisis entered what sources described as an "operational phase" that concluded weeks later with Maduro's arrest in Caracas during a US-led military operation on January 3. The rapid incursion laid bare the inability of Russian-manufactured air defence systems to counter the American action, a factor that deepened the strategic setback for Moscow.
According to current and former US officials cited by The New York Times, key elements of Venezuela’s Russian-supplied S-300 and Buk-M2 surface-to-air missile systems were not integrated with radar networks when US aircraft approached Venezuelan airspace. Some components were reportedly still in storage rather than deployed, rendering large sections of the country effectively undefended during the opening phase of the operation.
After Maduro's ouster, the Kremlin adopted an extremely cautious position, avoiding high-level statements and showing only lukewarm support for interim president Delcy Rodriguez. This stood in stark contrast to President Trump's enthusiastic embrace, which saw him praising Rodriguez as a "terrific person" and claiming his administration was making "tremendous progress" with her post-Chavista administration in several fields.
Interesting stuff
>>2660140
Is this the only evidence of a rodriguez backstab? Seems suspect :/
More about zelya:
>Instead of taking the lead in defending freedom worldwide, especially when America’s focus shifts elsewhere — Europe looks lost, trying to convince the US President to change>>2660377ignore the recurrent western glowops spamming retard. look at the /usapol/ thread. and almost any other thread on top. spam after spam.
maybe a Venezuelan stole his wife, o algo.
It's amazing, zelya's duality: their troops 'are on the front' (we haven't been asked because no enough personnel, that's okie), now 'they have the people' to protect Greenland.
>>2660352>The offer recalled the one given to former Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, another close Kremlin ally who was granted asylum in Russia after his toppling in December 2024 but now lives in isolation, cut off from external communication and effectively confined despite his formal protection.I thought he opened up an optometry practice or some shit.
>>2660352>According to current and former US officials cited by The New York Times, key elements of Venezuela’s Russian-supplied S-300 and Buk-M2 surface-to-air missile systems were not integrated with radar networks when US aircraft approached Venezuelan airspace. Some components were reportedly still in storage rather than deployed, rendering large sections of the country effectively undefended during the opening phase of the operation.Also I'd just read that some kind of cyberweapon might have taken the defenses offline, but most of the fucking article is paywalled:
https://theiceman.substack.com/p/weekend-read-did-this-cyberweapon
>Last week’s Weekend Read was about how the US military carved a “pathway” into Caracas through a coordinated campaign of airstrikes and cyber and space systems attacks that disabled Venezuela’s defenses before a single helicopter crossed the coastline.
>The New York Times partly confirmed my reporting on Thursday, noting that the US military used cyberweapons “to interfere with air defense radar” in Venezuela. The interference, combined with a temporary blackout across much of the capital, allowed US military helicopters to move unimpeded into the city to capture Nicolás Maduro.
>That single sentence in the Times’ account marks one of the clearest public acknowledgments to date that cyber operations were used not just to disrupt civilian infrastructure, but to suppress air defenses in support of a raid.
>It’s a role long theorized, rarely confirmed, and often discussed under the shorthand of “Suter-like” effects.
<The Suter Program: Reaching Beyond the Radar
>This kind of warfare takes some getting used to. During World War II, aircraft dropped aluminum chaff to confuse radar systems. During the Cold War, electronic warfare fooled radars by fabricating echoes that delayed, duplicated, or distorted the radio signals reflected back to the antenna.
>Project Suter went a step further. It is a classified military program designed to penetrate, manipulate, or corrupt an adversary’s integrated air-defense system at the network level, rather than simply jamming or destroying individual radars. >>2659772
>I absolutely dare you to justify how Putin's Russia is, in any way, defensible from a left wing perspective
its pretty simple from two different perspectives, from an anti-imperialist one, and from a national decolonial one. first they protect chinas western flank and give it cheap oil. so its as progressive as any non-aligned bourgeois country throughout the cold war. secondly you have to consider the extent of the devastation and regression of privatization and shock therapy of the 90s that essentially made it a completely dependent colony with no productive economy. it was specifically putin that reversed this right before the point of no return by blocking majority share buyouts of critical state owned industries like nuclear aviation space and petrol, and then going further to renationalize them to different extents. its not necessarily the nationalization itself as some kind of socialism but simply the fact that they are not entirely dependent raw resource exporters and that the profits go to increasing domestic industry instead of to foreign financers. from a very basic marxist perspective not even tankie or whatever national development of industry and reversing colonization and dependency is objectively progressive by pretty much any metric. this can all change and its not like putin wouldn't sell out if he thought he got a fair deal that would enrich him and his friends and it would be better faster and more efficient if controlled by actual communists instead of putin and its kind of an accident that global imperialism is at a specific point where they are incapable of making a fair deal because of their own overdevelopment stagnating profit rates and decay, but it is still the case even if le putler was forced into being a somewhat good guy
>I mean at this point, the population is utterly subjugated and blind to their class interests, totally consumed by either indifference, ignorance
yeah so?
>indulgent in state-enforced imperialism
it makes sense why someone might think that but russia is not imperialist from a materialist or marxist-leninist perspective and there is no marxist non-leninist theory of imperailism, and marx's analysis of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall and market competition leading to consolidation into monopoly already prefigures lenins analysis so its not like he would have a different conclusion if he lived to experience imperialism, and thats besides marx and engels explicitly endorsing national liberation struggles already anyway, which is essentially what is going on in russia just under a neocolonial financialized type of exploitation and instead of direct aggression a sort of provocation by proxy as punishment for reasserting their own sovereignty. like they just kept poking and poking and poking and russia didn't do anything even while bleeding until they started digging under the skin into their organs and were gonna fucking die
https://www(dot)rt(dot)com/russia/631364-us-tanker-crew-release/>US still holding Russian sailors from seized oil tanker – Moscow>Washington had pledged to set two people free from following its capture of the oil tanker Marinera, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry
>The US has not yet released two Russian sailors from an oil tanker it seized earlier this month despite promising to do so, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has said.
>We are puzzled and disappointed over the prolonged pause in resolving this important and urgent issue for us, and we hope that this will happen in the very near future and that our citizens will soon be able to return home,” she stated at a regular press briefing.
>Earlier this week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow is still “waiting for our American colleagues to live by their promise.” Washington made no public statements on the fate of the sailors.This is tricky for the US because the Trump admin doesn't want to seem to be making exceptions for Russia.
>>2660494>>2660225>>2660140Why are RT links being blocked but SubCrack and Westoid MSM links aren't?
From what I can find, there's this "James" guy who's been going around in recent weeks to vichan-based boards (including leftypol) and recommending an "anti-CP" config change that actually includes blocks for all of *.ru, all of *.cn, etc., and uses DNS-based blocks based on radlib DNS-check APIs.
https://sushigirl.cafe/yakuza/res/1198.htmlhttps://leftypol.org/meta/res/43906.htmlI don't know yet whether his "recommendations" have been picked up here. Could just be some coincidence.
>>2660586 (me)
I think it may have been picked up here, because the message you get for a blocked URL is "Suspicious post." - which is precisely the custom message he uses in his configuration suggestions that can be seen in the sushigirl.cafe post (here on leftypol he apparently managed to convince an admin to be receptive via email).
>>2660587 (me)
The "James" guy claims to be the admin of netherchan, which means that this is one of his many Russophobic tweets in response to known Russophobic meme accounts like Vatnik Soup:
https://nitter.net/Zeekertron/status/1946179779775922629So basically he's just assumed with his "anti-CP" configuration changes that everyone else wants his Russophobic/Sinophobic blocks included as a bonus.
>>2660587So jannies are just commiting unchecked changed to config files suggested by random internet reactionaries?
Seems fine to me. What could go wrong?
>>2660140
Anons can stop coping now about some 4d chess involving Vuvuzuela. Its clear delcy sold Maduro out or else why would the US stop bombing it? Delcy is a cunt for US porky and the best case scenario is she gets couped and a hardliner replaces her. The CIA is literally already in Venezuela for fucks sake, its over. Why the chavez protesters in Venezuela dont straight up hang here I dont unterstand, either they are retarded or have been bought off too. Fuck them.
>>2660591 (me)
>>2660596Ok, this gets even worse. He's made an updated set of changes:
https://sushigirl.cafe/yakuza/res/1198.html#q1552https://pastebin.com/raw/CFMd97uTHe keeps his universal block on anything from *.ru and *.cn and decides to block all Telegram links (like those in the /ukr/ general template) for good measure:
'body' => '/\.(ru|cn|
[…]
|t\.me|telegram\.me|
It wouldn't surprise me if he's added rt\.com in at some point. (My initial assumption was that it was coming from one of the DNSBL blacklists.)
>>2660597>Everyone else is retarded<I am the only one who knows👍
>>2660598Yes but is there any evidence the mods here are implementing these changes?
>>2660599Only this so far:
>I think it may have been picked up here, because the message you get for a blocked URL is "Suspicious post." - which is precisely the custom message he uses in his configuration suggestions that can be seen in the sushigirl.cafe post (here on leftypol he apparently managed to convince an admin to be receptive via email). >>2660599Also, the other bit of evidence is that we had no problems in four years of this general but then suddenly start getting our Telegram, RT, etc. links blocked a couple of weeks after he opens a thread here:
https://leftypol.org/meta/res/43906.htmlIn that thread, you can see him being given emails to send his recommendations.
Also, try making a post containing a random RT link. You can confirm that the error message you get is "Suspicious post." - which isn't a vichan message but his own custom message from
https://sushigirl.cafe/yakuza/res/1198.html >>2660586 (me)
>https://sushigirl.cafe/yakuza/res/1198.html>>2660601 (me)
https://sushigirl.cafe/yakuza/res/1198.htmlThe direct link to his post in that thread containing his custom error message of "Suspicious post." - the same one we started getting here only a couple of weeks after he posted to leftypol:
https://sushigirl.cafe/yakuza/res/1198.html#q1540 oh great tech nerd schizophrenia
>>2660599>I am the only one who knowsWhy isnt the US currently bombing Venezuela?
>>2660602there's blatant CP in siberia being posted which shows that these filters suck ass
>>2660494What nonsense. Venezuelans straight up said that Venezuela was holding fire to avoid war. Hell, Americans straight up murdered Cubans, who weren't fighting back
>>2660644Meanwhile, Russia has exhausted Ukraine's, and Europe and USA's, available air defences, and is now bombarding Ukraine's electric grid however it likes
>>2660494The helicopters in the video were flying low and slow over Caracas, they could have shot them down with basic AA cannons which I’m sure they must have.
You have to love Americans because on the one hand they’re very proud of their “no one messes with America” military might, but when Venezuela essentially declares no-contest to a military assault to avoid war, that makes Americans I guess feel like cunts and thus a narrative about cyberwarfare destroying ALL capacity to retaliate has to be spun.
Stamping on the defenceless? Nooooo they were prepared and equipped to wreck us, but we sneakily took out all their defences before we started, we’re just that based!
>>2660643They're filters for only the text content of posts. Mark one against the good-faith nature of the filters is that the CP crazies almost invariably post images, not text links to images, and surely the admin of netherchan would see and know that. Mark two against the good-faith nature of the filters is that he claims "Warning I coded this using AI, im not so good at coding," which is bullshit because the dude has made more involved mods to his vichan instance that he's released to Github repos and because there's no AI good enough to pump out working code based on this level of familiarity with vichan.
It's all very suss.
Thoughts on R27ER? Is it still useful in modern day?
>@runews
>Zelensky mocking Trump over Greenland in front of the US delegation is an interesting choice.
I've seen this retweeted a few times. What's it referring to? What did Agent Z do?
>>2660650That doesn't count
>>2660650Your copium levels are so high you've mistaken the pentagon's annual budget-fearmongering for some 5D chess move. "Bankrupting the empire" lmao, you think Lockheed is going bankrupt while they’re literally turning your 'special military operation' into their best quarterly earnings report ever? The only thing getting exhausted is your ability to tell war propaganda from the MIC’s sales brochures.
Please, cope harder. Maybe if Russia destroys one more transformer, Raytheon will finally run out of money.
>>2660591>>2660587>>2660586>>2660598interesting finding. then the freshly added new code affected the OP and probably blocked the telegram links.
>>2660609Diosdado still has his wanted, the defense minister also. for al jolani it only 12 days to have his wanted removed. now go back to reddit.
>>2660683US porky will literally never run out of dollaridoos no matter the scenario. The dollars they have and the people have might however turn into toiletpaper.
>>2660701It is meant to be toiletpaper, actually, it is even less valueable that toilet paper, its just pixels on a spreadsheet literally. The point is that people love to get paid in burger toiletpaper. Russian toiletpaper, not so much.
Anyway,
>An industry source, who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue, said nuclear generation now provides up to 80% of the energy consumed in Ukraine.
>Kharchenko said that so far there have been no attacks on nuclear power plant substations.Cucktin I,…
>>2660719They don't need nukes. They have the conventional tools to increase the pressure on Kiev and have sorta been using those tools finally in recent months but more work to do to get those cockroaches out to the streets.
>>2660717Russia could fry the substations that connect to the nuclear plants. They would be forced to shutdown and Ukraine would be in total darkness.
It’s another
>The US has an infinite money cheat
edition of /ukr/
>>2660741I'm seeing some interesting charts showing Kiev at ~40% electricity availability, with the average regional availability being ~30%. It's obviously not low enough yet to cause some kind of political crisis, even with the ~600k people fleeing Kiev in a month.
>>2660751It will never be low enough to cause a political crisis because the Ukrainian people are so atomized. The few people who were going to do anything did in 2014. The same applies to Russia. The 90s happened and no one was successful in fighting back.
>>2660760>It will never be low enough to cause a political crisishard times will always push people together, no matter how atomized. If nothing else only those who come together eventually survive.
If all else fails, governments themselves are still run by people. The collapse can come from a uprising, but it can also come from things just getting untenable, because the political system is incapable of changing direction from a route that is destroying the nation with it's people.
>>2660741it's already happening.
like, you can scroll up already and see Ukrainians protesting, even in the 'Stephan Bandera' street, the most nationalistic place. you can't make that shit up.
>>2660602<click links>guy making the list to block CP runs a nonce website for cartoon childrenCouldn't make it up. I hate chan 'culture'.
>>2660803The political structure in Ukraine has calcified around Zelensky because he was elected at some point and was popular at some point, eventually someone’s going to seriously challenge his authority and no doubt when that happens all sorts of power plays will come out of the woodwork since without holding an election (and no one will in the event of Zelensky’s forcible ousting) then no one really has a mandate other than the one they grab for themselves.
I’m convinced that this is why despite the corruption, the incompetence, the threats made towards both Russia AND the west, the chronic unpopularity, etc everyone seeks to retain him in power. NABU is never going to get him and Russia isn’t going to off him and make his replacement a matter of process by which leadership falls to whomever is his second in command on that particular day.
>>2660825>Russia isn’t going to off him and make his replacement a matter of process by which leadership falls to whomever is his second in command on that particular daybecause that would be also illegitimate. next mandate anyone next could say
that person bro? that person that you made some deals with bro? that was illegitimate bro, now we won't commit to those treaties bro. >>2660851yeah i think they don't want a "stabbed in the back" myth surrounding Zelensky and co. that could lead to a quick resumption of the war. if Zelensky's faction are the ones who presided over the country getting into the war and are also the ones who sign off on the end of it with the probable loss of territory and disastrous loss of life and everything else then their brand of politics will be toxic for at least a generation. Problem being that Zelensky seems like he is never going to surrender no matter how many Ukrainians die, it would have to be him killing himself in a bunker after a military collapse or he'll just never sign.
>>2660851Sure but the idea is that with the in-fighting over succession, the government just falls apart entirely with no one achieving an effective mandate to lead. By killing Zelensky and having leadership fall to the second-in-command, that's still justifiable to the people who are currently maintaining Zelensky's continued leadership. Probably preferable even, because it's still the Zelensky government and therefore stable but with a new face that at least offers the hope of more competence.
>>2660711Is 8% of Donetsk oblast in 6 months supposed to mean thats a lot? Was this really the best cope you could master?
>>2660650>muh air defenseSorry can't hear you over the deafening silence of Venezuelan S-300s
>>2660893>I didn't understand what 'adjusted axis' means>LOOK MOM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THINGS AND I CALL COPE WHATEVER THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND.take:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misleading_graphyes, I am talking about:
>>2660644 >>2660683>HAHA, at least my military companies are running good profit!Remember when Nazis thought the same and lost the war, lmao?
>>2660901wow, I got deaf with so much patriot air defense in ukraine. so deaf, it became a biblical occurrence along with water pipes blowing in buildings and no heat.
imagine believing the S-300 are for low and very-low altitude targets.
>>2660683>>2660903And by the way, the reason why Nazis lost the war was both economic and demographic, they've run out of the ability to supply their military, and on top of that said military had devastated their labor pool, making supply of the military impossible.
>>2660909Did they turn on your electricity or what. This week or more there weren't anyone so asshurt about this war as you
>>2660919Yes yes we understand that great russian chauvinists are now reduced to pathetically laugh at their neighbor lack of electricity, how far the meek have fallen
>>2660965Venezuela didn't fight back, though. How can S300 protect you if you refuse to plug it in?
>>2660953Ukraine really can't lose with its supporters, it starts this energy infrastructure battle with droning Russian oil refineries and it's all Ukraini Stronk! But when they inevitably start to lose the battle they started, then energy infrastructure strikes are pathetic all of a sudden.
>>2660965cope.
>>2660969US media:
first 6 hours
>we got unscathed, unscratched.first 12 hours:
>umm askshually, we got people 'hit'after 1 day
>we have people in serious condition going to Puerto Rico hospital, all good tee~hee3 days
>reeeee one of the people is in serious conditions must be transported to our best care facility in Texasyeah. sure, whatever.
>>2660953>bit what about the PATRIOT WUNDERWAFFEN, MR. PEET COPESETH! >>2660817I've made a one-post explanation here with some minor additional findings:
https://leftypol.org/meta/res/37383.html#q44055Basically, anyone curious about why RT and X links (among other links) are being blocked now and why our /ukr/ OP now requires a bunch of "(dot)" links should ignore the mess of posts I made in this thread and instead consult that post for a possible explanation.
tl;dr: someone with a Russophobic Twitter account posted to leftypol and possibly got his "anti-CP" changes accepted, blowing up our links for RT, X, etc. in the process.
>>2661040Why don't they just send this whole squad to the frontlines?
>>2661040context? dafuq is going on in here?
>>2661060I imagine most of these meatcatchers either know people or have paid some good money in bribes not to be sent to the frontlines. That is a relatively cushy and safe job right there, provided you don't have a conscience. It really is funny how much Ukraine seems to have people working in hunting down men at the homefront to patch up an seemingly endless and worsening manpower shortage.
I never get why Ukranians don't just get whatever weapons they can and just fight recrooters. It's either being sent to the frontlines or fighting their own right there, I feel like their odds of surviving are way lower in the frontline so why not just have a go at killing meat catchers.
>>2661066>I never get why Ukranians don't just get whatever weapons they can and just fight recrooters.It does happen… Kiev of course doesn't want to talk about it. If it got any way common for recruiters ending up full of holes by decentralized resistance, it would make the whole
business model of meatcatching and the war unsustainable. They would have to start moving in larger and larger groups and not spreading out. Just in the fear of getting capped and when they get somebody they would only get a few or they would get a firefight with dead to-be-mobniks and meat catchers both, thus lowering the total yield that goes into the grinder and hastening the end of the war.
I once again think the problem is not the weapons, but lack of organization. People fearing honeypots and the like.
>>2661066because they are brainwashed cucks who've been trained to believe that westerners are superior to them and they must sacrifice everything for mcfreedom
>>2661062they were combing the are to find the next F-16 air pilot. some people in /ukr/ doesn't know, but in Ukraine all the people are patriotic volunteers. most of them doesn't know it just yet. if they don't know it, they just need to go through the busification process, a couple of bitchslaps, a beating or two if the prospects are having trouble finding their patriotic call, and once they discover that they are the sons of stephan bandera, they are ready to be the next ghost of kyivyiv.
they tried to escape, but they were blocked. various vans running around probably looking for more pilots.
>Why there’s no need to get excited for a popular anti-war uprising.
>Millions are freezing in their apartments, and there have even been cases of energy officials beaten by angry mobs. And the bloody war between mobilization press gangs and draft-dodgers continues. But despite the undoubtedly tense situation, I remain confident that the farce will continue. Nationalists will continue to call for killing the draft dodgers, while media influencers tell cold citizens to keep warm with warm vibrators.
>A note on possible accusations of cynicism. As you’ll see, I place little stock in the likelihood of ‘the people’ taking matters into their own hands. I know people who, faced with this fact, have come to despise their own nation. An old friend of mine from Kiev escaped mobilization to the EU in 2024, after a year hiding from the mobilization press gangs with a handgun under his belt, ready to take matters into his own hands. When I talk with him, he is filled with revulsion at what he calls the ‘Ukrainian slave nation’ (he uses a different word instead of ‘Ukrainian’).
>In truth, I think that there is nothing special about Ukrainians. This population has merely had the bad luck to be born in a territory located in geopolitical crossfire. As the global order disintegrates, more and more countries are finding themselves at the edge of these very same tectonic plates.
>Don’t get me wrong, I have total empathy for men that want to avoid dying in an utterly idiotic war. But there is no constructive national project contained in this position. Ukhilyants don’t want to join a political party, let alone create one. Their main priority is to escape a country they see as a prison factory of death.
>The term ukhilyant (draft dodger) covers a vast variety of political positions. Many are quite nationalistic, but simply think that they are ‘not fit for fighting’, that ‘professional soldiers should fight, but not me’. They sometimes also say that they are very happy to help the army in their civilian capacity, say, as an IT professional, but do not want to fight in a trench. Personally, I find this position rather unprincipled. Those with such a stance tend to be urban middle-class ‘creatives’, who are rabidly nationalist until it threatens to actually impact their own life. I find it somewhat infantile to complain that the politics you advocate is affecting you.
>Of course, many ukhilyants are not particularly nationalist. The most common position is that they don’t want to die for a state that never helped them. This is a logical but fairly apolitical position. As for those with concrete political stances, you have people of rightwing libertarian or leftwing views.>The ukhilyants will be quite easily managed. The problem is that there is no real political content to this position. The most concrete thing that most people decried as ukhilyants do is flee to Europe.
>Dmytro Kuleba, foreign minister until 2024 and now once more a visitor to Zelensky’s office, called for Ukrainians to visit restaurants and cafes more often despite the blackouts:
>Please, today drink coffee not at home, but in a cafe, have lunch in a restaurant or buy some delicacies in a kiosk, visit the market, go to the hairdresser, buy something in a small store or at least order online - support micro, small and medium-sized Ukrainian businesses. It’s the hardest for them right now
>Many have drawn attention to the fact that Kuleba, following his January 19 meeting with the president, published a joyful instagram post sporting a D&G cardigan costing close to $3000 USD.Meanwhile, his civil wife Svitlana Paveletskaia told Ukrainians to buy a warm vibrator from the sex shop she owns to deal with the cold:
>There are toys that regulate temperature, and we’re promoting them now for cold evenings, because they heat up to 38 degrees. If there’s no heating, you can wrap yourself in vibrators and keep warmhttps://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-impotence-of-the-people >>2661081>In August, the same ‘liberal’ paper, owned by the Czech business partner of Soros Sr, put out an article arguing that history has shown that it is sometimes necessary to kill not just ukhilyants, but entire villages of Ukrainians who resist mobilization. Grim
>>2661081>There are toys that regulate temperature, and we’re promoting them now for cold evenings, because they heat up to 38 degrees. If there’s no heating, you can wrap yourself in vibrators and keep warmthat's…
cum in the name of unfreeze?
>>2661099It really shows you that fascism/ultra nationalism has nothing to do with the people, much less their betterment. It's all about the fight and victory against "the enemy". The people can go fuck themselves and die to the last woman and child as long as the knuckle-draggers will get their victory or at least their fun and purpose that war brings. The idea of the nation is much more important than the actual nation.
>>2661133the IT professional nationalists who are fervently pro-war until the press gang goons knock on their door.
> Many are quite nationalistic, but simply think that they are ‘not fit for fighting’, that ‘professional soldiers should fight, but not me’. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/22/the-crimean-tatar-group-seeking-systemic-collapse-of-russian-army?
The Crimean Tatar movement trying to ruin Russia’s army from within
<Atesh, an underground resistance group, says it has trained thousands of people – including Russian soldiers – in sabotage operations.
>On the weekend, a power cut shut down a train line carrying Russian weapons and supplies to the front line through the region of Bryansk in western Russia near the Ukrainian border.
>But this was no ordinary blackout. It was caused by a fire at a nearby substation set by an agent of the Ukrainian resistance movement, Atesh.
>“Atesh precisely targets the weak points of the enemy’s power grid, paralysing their rear,” the group announced to its 52,000 followers on its Telegram channel.
>While Russia strengthens its grip over occupied territory in Ukraine, its forces are facing resistance not only on the front lines but from the back as well. Among the so-called partisan groups, Atesh – whose name means “fire” in Crimean Tatar – has emerged as the most prolific, claiming responsibility for more than half of the sabotage attacks on Russian-controlled territory last year.
>“We are currently in a war of attrition, and the role of internal resistance is becoming decisive,” the organisation’s coordinator told Al Jazeera over Telegram.
>“The occupiers cannot guard every truck or every metre of rail in their rear.”
>Atesh was founded in September 2022, seven months after the Russian military mounted a full-scale invasion of its western neighbour. While its core consists of Crimean Tatars, an ethnic minority with long-held grievances against Moscow’s rule, members also include Ukrainians and even a handful of Russians and Belarusians, according to the representative.
>“We realised that Crimea and other captured territories would not simply wait for liberation; they must become a thorn in the occupier’s side from within,” said the representative, who cannot be named for safety reasons.
>“We are working for the systemic collapse of the Russian military machine from within. We are ensuring that every Russian soldier on our soil feels unsafe, and their logistics, equipment and headquarters are reduced to ashes.”
<‘Sabotage operations’
>Acts of sabotage have been taking place on Russian territory since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine began, starting with a wave of arson attacks on army draft offices.
>Since then, railroad infrastructure and supply trains for Russian troops have become the preferred targets for saboteurs seeking to slow down the Kremlin’s war machine. Among them are antiwar Russians and Belarusians, including underground networks such as BOAK (the Combat Organisation of Anarcho-Communists) as well as saboteurs-for-hire that Ukrainian agents have recruited online.
>“Sabotage operations are often coordinated by the Ukrainian intelligence and the SBU [Security Service of Ukraine] and conducted by either people supporting Ukraine or other persons recruited under the promise of a financial reward, threats or deceit,” Olha Polishchuk, research manager for the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data (ACLED) conflict monitor, told Al Jazeera.
>“It may be difficult to decouple Ukraine-led operations from partisan-led ones. There is often coordination between the two. Sometimes, we cannot establish a direct link to the Ukrainian government, but we know that persons involved in sabotage were recruited online by unidentified actors.”
>Russian intelligence has deployed similar tactics, reportedly paying local criminals to target logistics both in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe.
>According to an ACLED report, Atesh was responsible for more than 50 percent of sabotage acts outside of official Ukrainian operations or unidentified parties.
>Dozens of its operations were reportedly within Russia, including setting fire to a locomotive in Rostov and destroying an air defence factory’s communications tower in Tula, south of Moscow.
>“The impact is difficult to estimate,” Polishchuk said.
>“A lot of sabotage activities have a limited effect and may cause inconveniences and resupply delays. This effect, however, can accumulate and force Russia to spend additional resources on repairs, security measures and policing the local population.”
>Although Atesh’s claims of responsibility cannot be independently confirmed, the group routinely broadcasts the coordinates and purported video evidence of their actions over Telegram.
>“We strike at the enemy’s most vulnerable points,” the Atesh representative said.
>“We select targets that are critical for logistics or troop command, such as headquarters, bridges and ammunition depots. Planning is based on intel from our agents directly on the ground. If we receive information about an important echelon or ammunition column, we focus all our efforts on that target while always prioritising the safety of our people.”
>The group said it minimises infiltration from Russian security services by adopting a decentralised command structure, communicating strictly through encrypted apps.
>“Individual agents don’t know each other, and cells operate autonomously,” the source said.
>“We use advanced encryption methods and train everyone in digital hygiene. Even when the FSB [Russia’s Federal Security Service] tries to infiltrate its provocateurs, our data verification and cross-checking system allows us to quickly mitigate the threat.”
>Russian sympathisers also support Atesh’s operations, the group claims.
>“We have active agents among the Russian armed forces, the national guard and even intelligence agencies,” the representative said.
>“Some do this for ideological reasons, having recognised the criminality of war, while others do so for the sake of their families’ futures, realising the inevitable collapse of the regime. Their inside information allows us to know in advance about the movement of combat vehicles and what is happening in closed command bunkers.”
>By 2023, Atesh said it had taught 4,000 Russian soldiers how to “survive” the war by damaging their own equipment.
>Aside from sabotage, Atesh’s activities range from what it describes as “propaganda” – plastering stickers with its messages over Russian and Russian-occupied cities – to reconnaissance of bases, depots and supply trains, which it shares with Ukrainian intelligence. Atesh claimed its information led directly to a successful wave of Ukrainian strikes in 2023 that forced Russia to relocate its Black Sea Fleet.
>Polischuk pointed to Ukraine’s Spiderweb operation last year, a mass drone strike on Russian airfields, as an example of an effective Ukrainian operation coordinated with partisan groups.
>If needed, Atesh agents do not hesitate to deploy lethal force. For example, in July, the group said it killed several Russian servicemen by setting fire to their truck in southeastern Ukraine’s Zaporizhia region.
>“Our targets are those who came to our land to kill and traitors who actively participate in repressions against the civilian population,” the partisans’ coordinator stated.
>“Collaborators who betray their neighbours and officers who order strikes on cities are priority targets.”
>The partisans put themselves at high risk. Russia considers Atesh and other partisans as “terrorists”.
>“Russia has implemented brutal policies since the beginning, so sabotage activity was born in these conditions and had to adjust to them immediately,” Polishchuk explained.
>“Expressing any support for Ukraine is dangerous both in occupied Ukraine and in Russia,” she added. “Those suspected of any cooperation with the Ukrainian military can be arrested or disappeared without due process, even if no evidence is found against them.”
>Resistance and sabotage activity “persists nonetheless”, she said.
>For many Atesh operatives, the mission to rid their land of Russian occupation is personal.
>“For our people, it’s one endless tragedy, broken only occasionally by brief periods of peace,” Al Jazeera’s source reflected.
<Who are the Crimean Tatars?
>The Crimean Tatars are a Turkic ethnic group indigenous to the Crimean Peninsula who have endured repression since the Russian Empire conquered their homeland in the 18th century. The most painful memory was from 1944 when Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, suspecting Tatars of disloyalty during World War II, ordered the entire population to be deported to Central Asia even though thousands of Tatars faithfully served in the Red Army and helped defeat the Nazis.
>Herded onto trains with little time to prepare, perhaps as many as a third did not survive the journey.
>Modern Ukraine considers the Tatars’ removal a genocide. The deportees and their descendants were allowed to return only decades later, provoking tensions with the ethnic Russians and Ukrainians who had settled the land in between.
>Since the Russian takeover and annexation of Crimea in 2014, the Crimean Tatars have seen their Mejlis, the traditional Tatar parliament, outlawed as a “terrorist” organisation while civil rights activists have gone missing. Some were later found dead. Tens of thousands of Crimean Tatars left their homes for the Ukrainian mainland after Russia took control.
>“Our flame will burn until the last invader remains on our soil,” the Atesh operative promised.
>The Crimean Tatar movement trying to ruin Russia’s army from within
>Atesh, an underground resistance group, says it has trained thousands of people – including Russian soldiers – in sabotage operations. >>2661151My kneejerk reaction is that the primary operation and contribution of this "army" is this article itself.
>>2661167They also put up posters!
Anyway it's funny how Ukraine effectively ignored crimean tatars and their autonomy referendums for decades, but as soon as Ruzzia annexed Crimea they turned into a magic model minority that Ukrainians always loved and cared about (cuz muh Soviet genocides n shieeeet)
Zelensky: "Very close to a deal."
This is the same shit he's been saying the past year while not budging on anything, right?
Seymour Hersh (who's been a mixed bag in recent years, but he did help to blow apart the Nordstream shit and finger Western powers as culpable) is claiming that the CIA has decided to try to eliminate Putin this year. The expectation is that Dmitry Kozak, an even bigger lib and Westophile, will be Putin's successor. The assessment is that there's no real hardliner faction in Moscow with any significant power, because otherwise Putin wouldn't have been able to ignore the many provocations he has. Expected response to an assassination: "nuclear rhetoric and another round of intense infrastructure strikes in Ukraine."
Did Macron just cuck Putin? French just seized a Russian oil tanker
>>2661271I think the Russian understanding of why it's losing influence in Armenia, Kazakhstan, Serbia, Belarus, etc. is wrong. It's not that Western propaganda has successfully portrayed Russia as some unhinged aggressor, thereby scaring those countries. It's quite the opposite. With little actions like this that don't move the needle in Ukraine itself but that make Russia look weirdly passive, those formerly strong allies have become nervous.
>>2661279>those formerly strong allies those were never "strong allies" though (some not allies at all). Even belarus only came closer to russia because of recent regime change attempts by the west
>>2660511>words words wordsHaha, thisbis usapol!
Your reasons don't work here!
>>2661279It's honestly wild to point to random breaches of international law by the West in lieu of open war with Russia as what signalled to Russia's neighbours that alignment with the West is low risk (provided you're not particularly dependant on those laws), not the two decades of NATO and EU expansion without retaliation prior to Ukraine.
Basically every single act the West has taken against Russia since 2022 has been done for the sole reason of "fighting without fighting" after Plan A with sanctions went tits up and failed to force Russia to leave Ukraine. To look at shit like seizing a "shadow fleet" of privately owned tankers or attempting and failing to steal Russian assets, as anything other than clutching at straws to maintain an image of impunity is giving the West far too much credit.
Russia lost influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia for the simple reason that it doesn't control global trade like the West does, for the bourgeoisie of those nations the circumstances are very simple
>If I don't align with the West, they'll sanction the shit out of meand all Russia could conceivably do to dissuade them would be via military means, resulting in neighbours who are now both sanctioned as fuck for no longer having acquiring NATO membership a constitutional law as well as war torn.
>>2661279Serbia has forever been a western puppet even while the westerners kept bombing us
>>2661279It's just capitalism. Russia isn't imperialist and it doesn't have the corresponding infrastructure for creating and sustaining capitalist international influence. International companies, NGOs, lobbying, buying off leaders etc. Russia just can't do it. They tried with rightoids and that's a failure even when they get in power because they turn around and become good atlanticists immediately, why wouldn't they? They're not getting a huge villa next to Bruce Lee or whatever and they are not doing it to hang out with Yanukovich in Rostov when they're done.
Soviet influence has its limits, especially when they do everything to undermine it retroactively. Neither does China have this kind of infrastructure.
That's a serious advantage westoids have been using a lot recently to devastating effect and it's the biggest reason why they are still a serious threat even if their military is impotent and economic power is on life support.
The solution is, of course, socialist influence and proletarian internationalism, but it doesn't look like even China is all too enthusiastic about it right now.
>>2661317Russia did great with Georgia, it did great with Crimea, and it did great kicking off the SMO in 2022. Lots of people complain, saying Russia should've done the SMO in 2014, but I don't see that as critical. It's from around late 2022 that Russia started looking extremely passive in relation to the West's provocations. It also doesn't help when the leader of Russia never misses a chance to compliment the leader of America, opine that the American leader deserved a Nobel prize, meet the American leader's son-in-law and whatever Witkoff is supposed to be (I forget - one of Trump's real estate goons?) instead of the American leader himself, etc. The American leader is providing ISR to Ukraine, still trying to cripple Russia's economy with the 5,000th sanctions package, still indirectly aiding in the deaths of Russian civilians, likely played a role in all these probings of the Russian nuclear triad and whatever Russia was complaining about with Putin's residence, etc. And yet he refuses to name America as the primary aggressor, instead scapegoating Europe, as if America has no power over its vassals.
>>2661378Literally none of that matters in comparison to the protection racket of western imperialism and shame on you for caring at all about statements made by politicians.
>>2661382I absolutely believe that other world leaders pay attention to those statements.
>>2661392Notice too that what's started happening with Armenia/Kazakhstan/Serbia/Belarus/etc. has all happened in recent years. I mean, eh, there's always the decades-long pressure of Western psychopathy trying to break through, and maybe it's just unfortunate timing that it happened when Russia started looking weirdly passive toward the West, but I don't quite buy it. What it looks like is that the draining of Western military resources and economies over Ukraine isn't as compelling a signal as what Russia lets the West do without a response. Even the whole proxy dynamic is pretty comical when you think about it - by this point, everyone's grandmother knows that the US and UK at least are active participants.
>>2661378You are disconnected from the timeline of events. Pashinyan got in power before SMO. Kazakhstan's pro-western elements have been pro-Ukraine since the beginning because they know it could be them. Lukashenko was famous for the "multi-vector politics" phrase for a long time. And so on. That's not to say that actively going to the white house to lick Trump's ass isn't worse but Putin went to Alaska to do it himself so they can hardly be blamed for that.
>>2661271>Did Macron just cuck Putin?That's a really stupid thing to say anon.
>>2661413Kazakhstan and Russia entered 2022 cooperating on Russian missile testing, energy infrastructure, etc. (which still occurs to some extent). It's only last year that Kazakhstan started freaking out some Russian pols by making plans for NATO-approved military factories, etc. Likewise, it's only last year that Luka started releasing all the prisoners the US wanted released.
>>2661411Could be that the West was upping the pressure in the aforementioned clutching at straws to cope with failing to economically force Russia to give up, they could have had Finland and Sweden join NATO at any time but they chose to do it specifically when they wanted to make the point that invading Ukraine won’t stop NATO expansion.
The spin war matters a lot more to the West than it does to Russia, they boasted that Russia would immediately regret invading Ukraine and wouldn’t last two weeks with the retaliation, nearly four years on they’re patting themselves on the back for illegally seizing privately owned oil tankers.
Maybe world leaders care about being on the winning side in the unilateral spin war (perhaps they’re also retarded enough to see the West proudly break the international laws it also champions itself as upholding as based rather than desperate), but I suspect they care more about not getting sanctioned or even coup’d by a West that has been challenged while avoiding the conflict spilling over their own borders.
>>2661411Lukashenko never liked Putin and was only forced closer because of how the elections at the time were exploited for attempted colour revolution.
>>2661425Luka was being targeted by the Biden regime which forced him to move closer to Putin. Luka never wanted Belarus under Yeltsin/Putin tier retardation. Now Trump is back and Luka can cut a deal to remove some sanctions and be less reliant on Putin.
>>2661425>Likewise, it's only last year that Luka started releasing all the prisoners the US wanted released.In exchange for what? We don’t know, because knowing isn’t conducive to the spin war.
>>2661436There has to be something to this spin war or whatever that cogwar money pit is that NATO officials bang on about. Because on paper, Russia is stronger now militarily than it was in 2022, Western military/economies are in dire straits, and yet…
>>2661446We know he got some airline sanctions lifted or something. I don't think it was a one-sided trade, but this kind of trade was unimaginable in 2022.
>>2661451And yet what? You seem to be under some misapprehension that NATO has managed to rope Armenia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, etc into open hostilities with Russia in support of Ukraine, or that
any one redline NATO crossed was further elaborated on.
You’ve got leaders of Russia’s neighbours performatively shaking hands with US politicians in exchange for sanctions relief (or avoiding sanctions) and seeing massive turning points for both the conflict and Russia itself.
So the “thing” to this spin war is the conversion we’re having right now, you’ve got hope that Russia is going to lose in the eleventh hour because western headlines during a Russo-Ukrainian conflict is as powerful as money, men and bullets.
The West also can’t lose at its own spin war.
Anything short of China’s direct participation would be laughed off as an irrelevancy as was the DPRK’s participation, but the lack of participation by Russias neighbours (allied or neutral) is also laughed about as proof of the West successfully destroying Russia’s local influence. You can’t tell me that Armenia throwing its hat in the ring, voicing full support for the Russian war effort wouldn’t be met with the same rapturous laughter on western Xitter that them not doing that also apparently elicits.
>>2661317>Basically every single act the West has taken against Russia since 2022 has been done for the sole reason of "fighting without fighting" after Plan A with sanctions went tits up and failed to force Russia to leave Ukraine. To look at shit like seizing a "shadow fleet" of privately owned tankers or attempting and failing to steal Russian assets, as anything other than clutching at straws to maintain an image of impunity is giving the West far too much credit. Seizing these tankers, kidnapping Maduro, etc really are just own goals for Washington. It doesn't do anything to materially alter the situation regarding Russia, the war, or NATO's untenable position. It makes a lot of brainlets squawk about Putin being cucked, but the real significance is that the understood authority that the US had in the past now has to be enforced explicitly. The actual effects that are resulting from this aren't exciting or readily apparent without wading into legal and policy journals which are too dull for happening addicts to bother with.
I guess the US and its dogs unilaterally seizing ships looks impressive, but in so doing they're essentially torching the legal framework that international business relies on to work predictably and efficiently. It's really just a naked admission on Washington's part that alternatives to American dominance aren't going to be tolerated, which is going to make alternatives like BRICS more attractive, and make the use of force increasingly Washington's ONLY recourse. The US military is coasting right now, but we know it has serious supply problems that will make gun point economics progressively less profitable and effective.
The prognosis isn't good, and none of this is moving the needle on improving it.
>>2661173>magic model minority that Ukrainians always loved and cared about that will angry someone in banderistan, no doubt.
>>2661259right. there's something that Russia won't cave to, and that's 'security guarantees'. because if any agreement is reached and ukies fail to abide to the agreement, Russia would have to restart another military campaign, and Russia won't risk to have nato troops already deployed there.
>Exclusive-Mexico Weighs Stopping Oil Shipments to Cuba Amid Concerns of Trump Retaliation, Sources SayMEXICO CITY, Jan 23 (Reuters) - The Mexican government is reviewing whether to keep sending oil to Cuba amid growing fears within President Claudia Sheinbaum's administration that Mexico could face reprisals from the United States over the policy, which is a vital lifeline for the Communist-run Caribbean island, according to three sources familiar with the discussions.
A U.S. blockade of oil tankers in Venezuela in December and the dramatic capture of President Nicolas Maduro this month have halted Venezuelan oil shipments to Cuba, leaving Mexico as the single-largest supplier to the island that suffers from energy shortages and mass blackouts.
Mexico's pivotal role in sending oil to Cuba has also put the U.S.' southern neighbor in Washington's crosshairs. President Donald Trump has stressed Cuba is "ready to fall" and said in a January 11 Truth Social post: "THERE WILL BE NO MORE OIL OR MONEY GOING TO CUBA - ZERO!"
Publicly, Sheinbaum has said Mexico will continue oil shipments to Cuba, saying they are based on longterm contracts and considered international aid. But the senior Mexican government sources said the policy is under internal review as anxiety grows within Sheinbaum's cabinet that the shipments could antagonize Trump
Mexico is trying to negotiate a review of the USMCA North American trade pact, while also persuading Washington it is doing enough to combat drug cartels and that U.S. military action against the groups on Mexican territory is neither welcome nor needed.
The government review of Cuban oil shipments has not been previously reported, and the sources requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter. It remains unclear what ultimate decision the Mexican government might take, with sources saying a complete halt, a reduction, and a continuation in full are all still on the table
The Mexican presidency told Reuters the country "has always been in solidarity with the people of Cuba" and added that shipping oil to Cuba and a separate agreement to pay for the services of Cuban doctors "are sovereign decisions." The Cuban government did not respond to a request for comment.
A White House official said: “As the President stated, Cuba is now failing on its own volition … there will be no more oil or money going to Cuba from Venezuela, and he strongly suggests Cuba makes a deal before it is too late.”
LAND ATTACKS ON CARTELS
In recent weeks, Trump has ratcheted up pressure on Mexico, saying the country is run by the cartels and that ground attacks against them could be imminent. Sheinbaum has repeatedly stressed that any unilateral U.S. military action in Mexican territory would be a grave breach of the country's sovereignty.
"There is a growing fear that the United States could take unilateral action on our territory," one of the sources added.
During a phone call last week, Trump questioned Sheinbaum about crude and fuel shipments to Cuba and the presence of thousands of Cuban doctors in Mexico, two of the sources said. Sheinbaum responded that the shipments are "humanitarian aid" and that the doctors deal "is in full compliance" with Mexican law, the sources familiar with the call said. They added Trump did not directly urge Mexico to halt the oil deliveries.
The three sources said officials in Sheinbaum's government are also increasingly concerned about a growing presence of U.S. Navy drones over the Gulf of Mexico since December. Local media have reported, using flight-tracking data, that at least three U.S. Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton drones have conducted a dozen flights over the Bay of Campeche, roughly following the route taken by tankers carrying Mexican fuel to Cuba.
These same reconnaissance aircraft were spotted off the Venezuelan coast in December, days before the U.S. attack on the South American country.
Sheinbaum has spearheaded an offensive against the notorious Sinaloa Cartel and approved three unprecedented mass transfers of nearly 100 drug kingpins to the United States.
These measures have been praised by high-ranking U.S. officials, but Sheinbaum has repeatedly stated that unilateral U.S. action on Mexican soil represents a red line.
"Very little of the crude oil produced in Mexico is sent to Cuba, but it is a form of solidarity in a situation of hardship and difficulty," Sheinbaum said on Wednesday. "That doesn't have to disappear," she added.
CUBA'S MEXICAN OIL LIFELINE
Trump's pressure campaign against Cuba dates back to his first term when he reversed much of the historic rapprochement orchestrated by former Democratic President Barack Obama, and has only increased since the Republican returned to office a year ago.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, a Cuban American, has been a driving force behind Trump's Venezuela policy, which he and other U.S. officials also see as potentially weakening Maduro's Cuban allies. But the constraints on Trump's approach to Cuba are more daunting, given Havana's regional and international support, the entrenched nature of Cuba's leadership and security forces, and the ability the country has shown to withstand decades under a tough U.S. economic embargo.
The largest island in the Caribbean relies heavily on fuel imports of refined products to meet its demand for electricity generation, gasoline, and aviation fuel. U.S. sanctions and a deep economic crisis have prevented the Communist government from purchasing enough fuel for years, forcing it to depend on a small group of allies.
Within Sheinbaum's government, the three sources said, there is a belief that Washington's strategy of cutting off Cuba's oil could push the country into an unprecedented humanitarian disaster, triggering mass migration to Mexico. For this reason, they added, some in the government are pushing to maintain some fuel supplies to the island.
With Venezuelan supplies to Cuba stopped, it appears unlikely that other oil producers would step in to make up the shortfall, given the U.S. focus and heavy military presence in the region. The U.S. has seized tankers that had been involved in the Venezuelan oil trade, vessels in the shadow fleet that supply crude from countries under U.S. sanctions, including Iran and Russia.
Between January and September last year, Mexico shipped 17,200 barrels per day of crude oil and 2,000 bpd of refined petroleum products to Cuba worth approximately $400 million, according to information reported by Mexican state oil company Pemex to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mexico-weighs-stopping-oil-shipments-cuba-amid-concerns-trump-retaliation-2026-01-23/Update here
>>2661477>you’ve got hope that Russia is going to lose in the eleventh hour It sucks if that's what you got from our discussion, but I'll probably forgive you in about 15 mins, 25 tops.
>>2661539The moment China started doing something for Cuba, USA got asshurt and started attacking Cuba. Cuba is just not allowed prosperity
>>2661539>President Donald Trump has stressed Cuba is "ready to fall" There's a lot of yapping on the socials about the world reverting to some post-WWII power structure or some Monroe structure or even Russian-American "understandings" about Venezuela/Cuba and Ukraine, but I haven't seen a single reason to believe that the US is going to get its tentacles out of Europe and Asia, so I hope that's not what multipolar contenders are counting on.
>>2661532Exactly, good post.
Even having Sweden and Finland join NATO is kind of an own goal in the sense that they were basically de facto members anyway, but the
spin was that these “neutral” countries being quite obviously biased towards the West was a statement against Russia. Even the neutral countries know who to trust!
For now you’ve got the claim that they just had to join without referendums out of fear of (or just to fuck with) Russia, but their famous social programs being drained to pay their NATO membership obligations, ultimately, to the US as it breaks laws and breaches sovereignty, a new narrative can arise that they’re both in NATO because the US decided unilaterally that neutrality (even on paper) is no longer acceptable and that’s why referendums weren’t held, therefore a breach of Swedish and Finnish sovereignty.
>>2661568Ukraine joining NATO would be an own goal too.
>>2661317>dependant on dependent on*
>>2661423I'm waiting to see whether the Balts decide to seize some ships too.
>>2661423It literally just happened. What is Putin going to do other than screech in a threatening letter via his ambassador to France?
>>2661586Continue to win and not agree to allow French “peacekeepers” into whatever is left of Ukraine? Perhaps that’s not as important.
>>2661586lol
>>2661590When will Putin be able to control global trade the way the US does?
>>2661592What other planet did you place a goalpost? Saturn?
>>2661595You said Putin can't control global trade the way the
US West does. It shows with the way he and Dmitriev suck Trump's balls.
>>2661590Doesn't change the fact that this shadow fleet of one of his oligarchs just got seized by French colonial subjects that make up the FFL. Putin keeps getting bullied by Trump and Zelensky. What has he actually done? He can't even assassinate some dweeb who LARPs as if he is just from the front line and wearing tactilarp tshirts
>>2661586>It literally just happened. You're "literally" an idiot. Why don't you learn to talk about adult topics like an actual adult?
>>2661603The ways of a Christcuck will always defy reason, anon.
>>2661595>What other planet did you place a goalpost? On what other planet did you place a goalpost?*
>>2661603>Putin keeps getting bullied by Trump and Zelensky. "Was Putin cucked?" "Putin is getting bullied." You talk like an infant about things you don't understand. What the fuck are you even doing here?
>>2661601I did say that, but how does that follow this?
>>2661603He disobeyed NATO’s demand he not invade Ukraine or else he will regret it, then reduced to NATO states illegally seizing private tankers but dubbing them a “shadow fleet” to imply they’re stealing Russian assets without actually doing that.
>>2661612>You talk like an infantJust catering to the common denominator of retards like (You) who treat Putin's shriveled cock as their personal pacifier. Again, answer the question: what has he done?
>>2661616Gotten you to think about sucking dick a lot apparently
>>2661615You seem to be under the impression that Russia doesn't have the power to compete with the US in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and I totally agree.
>Russia lost influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia for the simple reason that it doesn't control global trade like the West does >>2661071and this is a completely understandable fear. there's only so much families or individuals can do within a limited network. helping ppl get out of the country or avoid conscription bussing is about as much as you can ask against military orgs that have been the backbone of the economy long before the SMO started.
even if targeted violence spread beyond mobbed up recruiters with a local notoriety, the "morale" battalions would just get deployed in residential areas to help with conscription, or expats would start getting deported straight into training or directly to the frontline. its on uncle sam's dime and a protracted war is their desired ROI
>>2661622Again, how does that follow what
you were saying?
>>2661624What do you mean by "continue to win"? If you're talking about little Donbass, then my geostrategic perspective might be out of place.
>>2661634“Little donbass” is a bit bigger than an oil tanker, I think, my geography might be off there
>>2661636Alas, but not as big as the rest of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
>>2661638You were talking about the seizure of an oil tanker
>>2661603what benefit would russia get by killing zelensky? why martyr the empty figurehead of a vassal? it would only dignify and strengthen the western democracy imposed on ukraine. youd be giving azov or some new movement a massive off ramp to transition from the explicit bandera hagiography to zelensky's image that's far more accommodating to the west. rojava's marxists reborn in kiev, etc
>>2661641I was talking about the control of global trade in Eastern Europe and Central Asia:
>>2661592>>2661601>>2661622 >>2661645So? You were moving the goalposts because you got your answer about what Russia is doing against France. France asked for permission to put its military in Ukraine, permission was denied, so the French military is not currently in Ukraine. Well, not openly, but I think on the cuck scale asking and then obeying Putin is higher than illegally seizing a privately owned vessel.
>>2661642>what benefit would russia get by killing zelensky? nta, but the elimination of terrorists like Zelensky and Budanov is what a strong leader does just because they're terrorists. Russia calls the Kiev regime a terrorist regime, yet now we're getting headlines that Russia is negotiating with Budanov and the US in Abu Dhabi.
>>2661651You mean the post about France I replied to in
>>2661592?
k
>>2661532Note how nobody's gloating about how US has soft power
>>2661645we're not even 4 years out from the start of the SMO and US leadership deciding to nuke the global economy in response. how has this worked out for the west, as they are currently cannibalizing their own partnerships? when do you think this escalating belligerence will inevitably get them to walk back from the cliff, and why should russia take the bait?
>>2661660I dunno, ask this dude
>>2661317 when Russia will recover its influence:
>Russia lost influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia for the simple reason that it doesn't control global trade like the West does >>2661655I mean perhaps you’re just getting lost, because your sense of scale is way off. Oil tankers are a big deal, Donbass is little, the “global” trade “in” Eastern Europe and Central Asia. But I’m afraid this thread is still quite new, it will get bigger.
>>2661664I never said a word about oil tankers. I replied to oil-tanker dude in the same post I replied to you, so you have no excuses for being lost.
So apparently the three Russians who met with the American team in Moscow were Putin, Dmitriev, and Ushakov.
I'm going to regard all Dmitriev Twitter cringe as Putin-approved from now on. Putin is obviously very happy with the guy.
>Trump administration weighs naval blockade to halt Cuban oil imports“Energy is the chokehold to kill” the Cuban regime, said a person familiar with the discussions.
The Trump administration is weighing new tactics to drive regime change in Cuba, including imposing a total blockade on oil imports to the Caribbean country, three people familiar with the plan said Thursday.
That escalation has been sought by some critics of the Cuban government in the administration and backed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, according to two of the three people, who were granted anonymity to discuss the sensitive discussions. No decision has been made on whether to approve that move, but it could be among the suite of possible actions presented to President Donald Trump to force the end of Cuba’s communist government, these people added.
Preventing shipments of crude oil to the island would be a step-up from Trump’s statement last week that the U.S. would halt Cuba’s imports of oil from Venezuela, which had been its main crude supplier.
But there are ongoing debates within the administration about whether it is even necessary to go that far, according to all three people. The loss of Venezuelan oil shipments — and the resale of some of those cargoes that Havana used to obtain foreign currency — has already throttled Cuba’s laggard economy. A total blockade of oil imports into Cuba could then spark a humanitarian crisis, a possibility that has led some in the administration to push back against it.
The discussions, however, show the extent to which people inside the Trump administration are considering deposing leaders in Latin America they view as adversaries.
“Energy is the chokehold to kill the regime,” said one person familiar with the plan who was granted anonymity to describe the private discussions. Deposing the country’s communist government – in power since the Cuban revolution in 1959 – is “100 percent a 2026 event” in the administration’s eyes, this person added.
The effort would be justified under the 1994 LIBERTAD Act, better known as the Helms-Burton Act, this person added. That law codifies the U.S. embargo on Cuban trade and financial transactions.
Cuba’s embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment.
A White House spokesperson did not address a question on whether the administration was considering blocking all oil imports into Cuba.
Cuba imports about 60 percent of its oil supply, according to the International Energy Agency. It was heavily dependent on Venezuela for those imports until the Trump administration started seizing sanctioned shipments from that country. Mexico has more recently become the main supplier as Venezuelan crude shipments have dried up.
Mexico, however, charges Cuba for imported oil and its shipments are not expected to fully ameliorate Cuba’s worsening energy shortage.
Since the U.S. operation that captured Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro, the administration has turned its attention on Cuba, arguing that the island’s economy is at its weakest point, making it ripe for regime change soon. Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants, have each voiced their optimism that the island’s communist government will fall in short time given the loss of Venezuela’s economic support.
Toppling the communist regime in Cuba would fulfill a nearly seven-decade political project for Cuban exiles in Miami, who have pushed for democracy on the island since Fidel Castro took power after ousting the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista in 1959. Rubio has long been an advocate for tough measures against Havana in the hopes of securing the fall of the regime.
Conditions on the island have indeed worsened, triggering blackouts and shortages of basic goods and food products. But the regime has weathered harsh U.S. sanctions — and the sweeping trade embargo — for decades and survived the fall of the Soviet Union after the Cold War. Meanwhile, concerns remain that the sudden collapse of the Cuban government would trigger a regional migration crisis and destabilize the Caribbean.
Critics of the Cuban government will likely celebrate the proposal if implemented by the White House. Hawkish Republicans had already embraced the idea of completely blocking Cuba’s access to oil.
“There should be not a dime, no petroleum. Nothing should ever get to Cuba,” said Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) in a brief interview last week.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/23/trump-administration-weighs-naval-blockade-to-halt-cuban-oil-imports-00744708Update
>>2661666The discussion was about France seizing a tanker, you know this because you replied lol to oil-tanker dude in agreement. My post you replied to addressed France directly. You absolutely intended for “when will Russia be the global hegemon hmmm!?” as a retort to reminding oil-tanker dude that scaring France off from openly stationing troops in Ukraine is probably more important than a private tanker being illegally seized.
Does being disingenuous really make you feel that much better?
>>2661674Dude, I get the impression that Putin is horrified at what Russia is doing to civilian population. Back in 2022, he pulled back troops from Kiev to avoid huge civilian casualties. Now, it's way worse, and all done in order to end this war.
Watch and see how Ukraine will counter-propose some nonsense again
>>2661676Now it makes sense that China pushed for installing solar panels on Cuba so much
>>2661677>You absolutely intended for “when will Russia be the global hegemon hmmm!?”Is there a reason you're not quoting my actual comment:
>When will Putin be able to control global trade the way the US does?Could it be so you don't have to acknowledge that it's a reference to your post in which you say
>Russia lost influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia for the simple reason that it doesn't control global trade like the West doesYeah, I think so!
Also, still lol'ing @ "dependant on."
Everything about you is a farce. You basically don't know shit and can't write for shit. I don't respect your intelligence one bit. You're a sloppy hack.
>>2660225now, reading in more detail the article, I find some interesting takes:
>Another unfortunate issue is that endless conflict reigns within the so-called ukhilyant camp (Ukhilyants don’t want to join a political party, let alone create one. Their main priority is to escape a country they see as a prison factory of death.) itself. For instance, the imprisoned MP Aleksandr Dubinsky is in a constant flamewar with the exiled blogger Anatoly Shariy, despite both having fairly identical libertarian populist political views. This type of constant strife was quite characteristic of anti-nationalist forces in the pre-2022 period as well, preventing them from mounting much of an opposition to the highly well-organized nationalists.I think anti-war positions must be a common working ground agreement. the problem is, rightwingers usually leave room to capitalism, which inevitably lead to wars.
honestly, I see that the state of discontent is true. however, there's no cia psyop going on, so the state suffers no threat or whatsoever, not threat of a
color revolution. And Russia most likely don't do covert operations to promote a coup or something like that.
>>2661689The point is that’s a non-sequitur to a discussion about France seizing an oil tanker.
>>2661694It's not my problem that you're too dumb to follow the chain of conversation.
It's also not my problem that you're too dumb to realize 'non sequitur' isn't hyphenated, you sloppy hack.
Done with your low intelligence.
>>2661702It's
dependent on, not
dependant on, retard.
Are we still going over a fucking oil tanker? JFC. These companies have hundreds of tankers. along Iran, China, India, and Russia on a bad day there are shipping thousands of them. these events aren't game changers, these are pathetic appeasing attempts for the simpleton masses that believe the earth is flat.
>>2661704>The difference between dependent and dependant is merely a matter of preferred spelling. "Dependent" is the dominant form in American English for both the noun and adjective, while in British English, "dependant" is more common for the noun. "Dependent" is still used to indicate the adjective form in British English but its use in this form is uncommon.Either way it’s a odd thing to be lol’ing @ for such time
>>2661660>when do you think this escalating belligerence will inevitably get them to walk back from the cliff, and why should russia take the bait?Personally I don't see them walking back from anything. I don't think the US is institutionally, intellectually, or rhetorically robust enough to handle that sort of thing. Decades of the US hollowing itself out have left it extremely brittle and without the flexibility necessary to handle alternatives to its preferred status quo. The US's belligerence is compulsory because it lacks the capabilities to secure its interests otherwise, and the capacity to adapt to adverse circumstances. It's gotten very lucky so far in large part due to the favorable historical circumstances its inherited, but it's also teetering on the edge of numerous disasters, any one of which might upset the entire board.
Several threads ago, back when the Petersburg EF was being posted on, Putin was talking about the economic prospects and plans Russia had in store, one of which was an announcement of a new major pipeline which iirc would not only run to China, but extend all the way into SE Asia. The long and short of this "shadow fleet" shit is that seizing these ships really isn't much more than an annoyance, because the US is staring down the long, long barrel of being outcompeted in a region with most of the world's people in it. China and Russia have positioned themselves as the ones with carrots on offer, and all US has is an increasingly bloody, worn down stick.
>>2661708You said "provided you're not particularly dependant on those laws," retard, which is wrong.
>>2661689Dunning Kruger poster.
>>2661680Putin's 2022 "gesture of goodwill" retreat was a mistake. Ukraine deserved no "gesture of goodwill." Zelensky was terrified and basically begging Putin to retreat, asking how a country can be expected to negotiate with its capital city under attack. As Putin said, "We knew the West could be fooling us. They'd been fooling us for decades. But we said…" and the rest was history.
>>2661676if they go full blockade, I hope cuban supersoldiers manage to take guantanamo and finally free their entire island (and shove the torture experts in their own cells)
>>2661723I resent discussing spin, but the context of Putin’s framing is to suggest that Zelensky had the opportunity to resolve this peacefully and Russia demonstrated willingness to that end, but he chose not to take that opportunity. Thus Russia is not responsible for the destruction of Ukraine.
No matter how desperately you wish for Putin to say
>awww I fucked up and I got tricked and I shat myself and fell down the stairs when I realised I got outsmarted so easilythat’s just not what was said
>>2661731He said it was a gesture of goodwill.
>>2661733Yeah to a peaceful resolution, Zelensky then chose not to resolve the situation peacefully, thus Ukraine is not getting rekt because Russia invaded but because Zelensky chose that for Ukraine.
>>2661736He said it was a "gesture of goodwill." We've already established you have language difficulties, so I'm not interested in your revisionism.
>>2661739>A gesture of goodwill is an action taken to show kindness, appreciation, or empathy towards others, often to improve relationships or resolve issues.I think the Dunning-Kruger part is that you’re too dumb to realise how much you’re revealing to the thread about your current emotional state.
>>2661744Isn't it like almost 3 am in the UK?
>emotional stateWe all remember your total spamming meltdown some days back.
You're a belligerent, mentally ill prick who picks fights with people for no reason, even civil people, so it's about time you get shown how utterly worthless your mind is.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Lukoils-Fire-Sale-and-the-New-Era-of-Sanctions-by-Ownership.html
>The US's sales approach is creating deep unease in Europe. Brussels clearly wants a decoupling from Russia (Lukoil) without disruption, sovereignty without shortages. Transitional fragility will, however, increase if the Russian assets are forced out very quickly. You could clearly argue that the current situation is the energy sovereignty paradox in practice. Europeans are confronted by the fact that the drive to eliminate dependency is exposing how dependent European systems still are. It should be understood that temporary licenses and carve-outs are not signs of weakness. At present, these options recognize that infrastructure cannot be geopolitically reprogrammed overnight.
>At the same time, the process embeds a growing moral hazard. The main one is that if sanctions repeatedly generate distressed assets, which Western buyers are absorbing with political blessing, the perception could start to grow that sanctions risks should be seen as an industrial policy tool, not as a security measure. This perception, which could be substantially growing, is no longer confined to Europe alone, due in part to the Venezuelan military operation by the USA. The Gulf, Asia, or other emerging markets will start to fear not just the sanctions themselves but also the precedent they set. Looking at Lukoil or, indirectly, Venezuela, it could be argued that this leads to a situation in which ownership can be reallocated by geopolitical decree. The result could be more sovereign-to-sovereign deals or more non-Western capital pools. At the same time, this approach will also push for more parallel financial systems.
>It also needs to be clear that operational risk remains underappreciated. All midstream and downstream networks are deeply embedded in European systems. At the same time, buyers who are focused primarily on political de-risking may underinvest operationally. This will directly create longer-term vulnerabilities.
>Yet the direction of all is already unmistakable, as Lukoil’s divestment is no longer just about Russia. Without a doubt, it will be the template for a new phase of sanctions policy. The objective in the future will not merely be to restrict trade, but to reshape ownership. The current US-Trump Administration’s approach is taking it as a sharper, more intrusive instrument of power. Not only with Lukoil but also looking at news reports of discussions in Washington with commodity giants about Venezuela, the US is no longer chasing flows; it targets the infrastructure that makes those flows profitable.
>Even though Washington thinks it controls its Western Hemisphere, or holds the military power to coerce others, the current approach with Lukoil (and others) depends on two variables it cannot fully control. The first is time, the second is global alignment. The outcome of the current process is being shaped by these two; the result is still unclear.
>Facts now support the statement that the American interest in Lukoil’s international assets should be seen as both an opportunity and an assignment. US companies and investors are not simply buying distressed energy assets; Washington tasks them to act as custodians of infrastructure, which should not be drifting in the grey zone. If successful, the story will be about deal values and deadlines. Reality, however, should put on the forefront that the current moves show sanctions have evolved. They are no longer tools of denial but have become instruments of ownership redesign.
>In a world where energy security and national security have merged, that evolution may be deliberate rather than accidental. The year 2026 could face a long list of these national security-induced energy security deals or moves. In oil and gas markets, it will be hard to deal with global power targeting assets rather than social issues. >>2661723>Putin's 2022 "gesture of goodwill" retreat was a mistake. What would you have done instead?
>>2661745Dunning Kruger anon not beating the allegations.
>>2661748I don't offer gestures of goodwill to untrustworthy people, but I'm not a Christcuck like Putin.
>>2661745I might be wrong, but are you the anon who took my Cambridge Five joke really, really badly? That one had an obsession with intelligence as well.
>>2661754>heh heh, I'm furious right now and need to get this poster on the defensive, so I'll pull some random bs out of my assWhat time are you going to bed? 4 am perhaps?
>>2661756>heh heh, I'm furious right nowWhat did he mean by this?
>>2661761>Gets the context of the “Goodwill Gesture”<Chimps out and starts posting lullabiesYou’re actually insane
>>2660812Yea, those were the charts I saw. Any lower might need choking the NPPs.
>>2661765Sigh, are you still trying to weasel out of that?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/goodwill-gesturean action intended to show friendly or helpful feelings towards someone, especially during or after a disgreement
>I'm retreating from Kiev to show friendly or helpful feelings toward you, bruh >>2661676It's honestly amazing that Cuba has held on this long. My theory has been that the US was just using them as an object lesson.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/74469
>Let me remind you some things. When our troops were near Kiev, we received a proposal and even a plea from our Western partners to cease fire and stop hostilities in order for certain things to be done on the Ukrainian side. We did it. There was a moment when we did it. The Ukrainian side did not cease hostilities. Later we were told that the official Ukrainian authorities could not control all their military units, because there were allegedly those that were not subordinate to the central authorities. This is what we were told, no more and no less. This is first.
>Second, we were asked to move our troops away from Kiev in order to create conditions to finally sign a peace treaty. We did this and faced deception once again: all the agreements reached in Istanbul were thrown in the trash. Such things happened repeatedly.Heh.
Moral of the story, folks: Don't give gestures of goodwill to untrustworthy people, or you're likely to be deceived.
>>2661770>The workers decided to return to work as a goodwill gesture to facilitate further negotiations.The example Cambridge provides is better than yours, but then it would be, wouldn’t it?
But this is way off topic now and baking threads is a ball-ache, so I’m not wasting any more posts on your neurosis about your own intelligence.
Apparently the two Russian crewmembers arrested from the Marinera have already been released.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/seized-russian-tanker-marinera-scottish-waters-us-coast-guard-5479192
>Scotland’s most senior lawyer is investigating whether Scots law is being followed after a Russian-flagged oil tanker seized by US armed forces entered Scottish waters.
>The Marinera, formerly called the Bella 1, was intercepted by the US military in the North Atlantic between Iceland and Scotland last week, with the support of UK armed forces.
>The tanker has now been taken to the Moray Firth, off the coast of Burghead, to take on fresh supplies.
>Yesterday, it emerged that the US Coast Guard vessel accompanying the tanker had berthed at Aberdeen.
>First Minister John Swinney expressed anger after the UK government did not inform him that the seized vessel was being taken into Scottish waters.
>The United States government has claimed the tanker is part of a shadow fleet that has been used to transport oil on behalf of nations including Russia, Iran and Venezuela, in violation of US sanctions.
>The crew reportedly consists of 17 Ukrainians, six Georgians, three Indians and two Russians. The two Russian crew members were reportedly released by US officials after a request from Vladimir Putin’s government.
>Mr Swinney has now confirmed the Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain, Scotland’s most senior law officer, is investigating the impacts of the vessel’s presence in Scottish waters on Scots law.
>It is understood her priority is investigating whether Scots law is being followed, as well as the welfare of the crew.
>There are questions over whether Scottish courts would have jurisdiction over the crew if they are to be extradited to the US for prosecution, as has been suggested.
>Last week, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said the crew of the Marinera will be brought to the US for prosecution "if necessary".
>As a general rule, the Scottish courts have jurisdiction over crimes committed in Scotland or in Scottish territorial waters.
>In evidence submitted to the House of Lords, then lord advocate Frank Mulholland QC, stressed that “the Extradition Act 2003 recognises Scotland as a separate jurisdiction”.
>He added: “The Act enjoins the Lord Advocate to conduct extradition proceedings before the Sheriff at Edinburgh, which is the appropriate judge and designated court.
>“The Lord Advocate is also enjoined to give the issuing judicial authority such advice related to the extradition as is considered appropriate.”
>He added that “a request for extradition by the Scottish authorities will always be proportionate”.
>Mr Swinney has confirmed that the current Lord Advocate is investigating whether Scots law is being adhered to.
>He said: “The government was not advised that that vessel was coming into Scottish waters.
>“It is pretty obvious that, when such an event happens—when a vessel of that type comes into Scottish waters—there could well be implications for the exercise of Scots law and Scots jurisprudence.”
>Mr Swinney added: “I have raised with the UK government my complete dissatisfaction at the absence of prior notice that that was going to be undertaken, because of the potential interaction with our responsibilities.
>“One example of that is that the Lord Advocate is seeking to establish that all aspects of the rule of law are being respected with the presence of the tanker in Scottish waters, which is her statutory responsibility, and that we can be assured that the health and welfare of those on board are preserved.
>“Given the total absence of proper formal communication from the UK government to the Scottish Government about an issue that has implications for the delivery of our responsibilities, this is an example of shockingly poor conduct by the UK government.”
>A spokesman for the Law Society of Scotland said: "Whether or not formal extradition proceedings were required would depend on the circumstances.
>“If the crew members consented to relocation to the United States for prosecution, the process would be relatively straightforward. Extradition proceedings in Scotland take place before a specialist sheriff in Edinburgh."
>A spokesperson for the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service said: "The Lord Advocate's chief concerns are that the rule of law is respected, and that the health and welfare of those on board is preserved.
>"It would not be appropriate to comment on operational activity or matters of international relations."
>A Scottish Government spokesperson said: “While we do not comment on extradition matters, the First Minister has been absolutely clear that the independence of Scotland’s legal system must be respected.”
>A UK government spokesperson said: “National security and defence are a reserved matter. The Bella 1 entered UK waters to be replenished with essential supplies as part of the UK's support to the US' operation to interdict this sanctioned vessel.
>“The UK government is continuing to liaise with the Scottish Government on the matter.” >>2661753So you don't really know huh
>>2661779Yes, all mean insults aside, I know you're actually a bright fella (hence my choice of insults) and don't want to touch Putin's "gesture of goodwill" with a ten-foot pole after seeing
>>2661778.
It was a valiant effort, but there's only so much one can do for a guy who rewards deceivers.
>>2661791>putin called it a gesture of good will and that's all i know about itDK
>>2661795Sorry, pool's closed now, new person.
>inb4 I said I wouldn't respond to you, but I didn't say I wouldn't respond to people responding to you >>2661081Poo in the loo status?
>>2661270>The expectation is that Dmitry Kozak, an even bigger lib and Westophile, will be Putin's successor. The assessment is that there's no real hardliner faction in Moscow with any significant power, because otherwise Putin wouldn't have been able to ignore the many provocations he has. If this is true it would explain a lot. And it would also suggest defeat is only a matter of time if Putin is somehow the biggest hawk in his own administration.
>>2661707It's like 10 tankers already and again, please stop being a reddit underage retard who minimizes the significance of it.
>>2661707>It's ok because they didn't take all of themCucktin apologists are never beating the humiliation fetish allegations
So 4 years afterwards, whatever happened to the creating something to not use dollars for trade, using own currencies and all that hopium?
>>2662093chinese trade denominated in yuan has increased 20% yearly since 2022, and trade between china and russia is now conducted entirely using their respective currencies.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3281266/chinese-yuan-use-211-cross-border-trade-beijing-pushes-global-role-currencyfurthermore, deals using the yuan between russia and other countries are already being made
https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3217742/bangladesh-russia-nuclear-power-plant-deal-chinas-yuan-opens-doors-beijing-still-early-days?module=further_reading_RM&pgtype=articlethe more overt and brazen aggression on the part of the us recently is caused in part by this trend towards dedollarization. just because it hasn't destroyed the dollar yet, doesn't mean that it isn't happening. things as boring as cross-border trade agreements don't make for good spectacle.
>>2661972Ya, there aren't any powerful hardliners in Russia. There's just Medvedev, who's probably Putin's idea of assassination insurance but who killed the ruse by helping Putin legitimize the Trump negotiations and by talking tough one too many times. And there's, what, Karaganov, who talks a based game but who has no chance whatsoever of determining foreign policy? The Westy spooks have nothing to fear now. They've seen how Russia responds to attacks on its nuclear triad and assassination attempts.
>>2662093The moment the US starts whining about dollar replacement, BRICS rushes to reassure it that there are no plans for a BRICS currency or anything else to threaten the dollar.
Confirmed: Budanov, someone Russia calls a terrorist, is representing the Ukrainian side for the trilateral Russia-US-Ukraine talks in Abu Dhabi
lmao
Putin humiliation fetish status?
cucktin fatigue
>>2662132What am I watching here?
>>2662131He obviously doesn't think he can gain and hold Donbass without getting Trump's help in making Ukraine retreat and making Ukraine pinky promise not to attack it again. That's the only normal explanation for why someone would show zero self-respect and tolerate Trump's insults and indulge his sham mediator status while blaming everything on Europe. It's the only explanation for placing a cringey schmoozer like Kirill at the head of negotiations. Accommodating Budanov really takes the piss, tho LOL!
It's been a year now of these diplomatic talks in which Zelensky says no to everything, and the US is clearly happy to have him say no to everything, otherwise it would remove him via NABU.
So why does the US bother with the talks? It wouldn't bother if it didn't get anything. I believe that the moment Cuckler gets to have some talks with his Western partners, he slams the brakes on any positive directions in which the Russian General Staff is going.
Oh boom!!!! If Mercouris / The Duran couldn't be bad enough…… now John Helmer has started calling Putin a paper tiger…. I remember lots of Helmer posting from the serious types on SM and here :-/ :-o
>>2662202Let them eat Dildos?
>>2662149>>2662131Logistically there is a proportional mismatch between the total mobilisation of the Ukrainian state and Russia's limited war economy. The positive trade-off to this limited mobilization is maintaining the peacetime social fabric of domestic Russian life. Cementing a floor of public support and domestic stability. The incurred cost is a low ceiling to its military capacity; relying on organic capital spending and normative state investment to maintain an expeditionary military, that lacks the mass for sufficient concentration over the sheer size of the frontline. Versus a state that has taken out loans against its future to create capacity now supported by western stockpiles.
Its from this position that the constant negotiations and overtures become cynically rational. As little is lost from extending what was always going to be a long war (post Istanbul talks collapsing) relative to the minor international political gains among the periphery in playing along.
All Russian operational achievements are contextual to maintaining a Homefront without any reduction in standard of living. A balancing act that has succeeded so far in its projected trajectory.
>>2662169Shhh. This thread is the last bastion of Putin defenders. Let them be.
>>2660071if im being honest, i can't see why genuine communists wouldn't be on the side of ukr liberation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jun/28.htmanon, why do you betray your cause for nothing?
>>2663337The modern Ukrainian states failure to concede on these topics of autonomy and/or secession regarding its Russian speaking eastern half, even after international arbitration in Minsk I and II whose signatory demands were to federalize the Donbass region. Are the prerequisites for this conflict happening at all.
>>2663337its just really nice watching a western L in slow motion
Negotiating with Budanov now to get Ukraine to leave Donbass. Grim af for the holding stability of Donbass, let alone Kherson and Zap., which have been forgotten entirely in Russia's demands.
>>2660717>>2660741Has Russia Finally Begun Disconnecting Ukraine's Nuclear Plants?
>Today again we start off with a major Russian strike that occurred as promised. In the last article two days ago we said Russia was readying a new strike, and it delivered. But what is most notable about this one is that it also fulfilled the ‘rumors’ we were hearing from Ukraine’s experts—like that of Serhiy ‘Flash’—that Russia could soon start disconnecting the “final” source of Ukrainian power, which is the nuclear power plants.
>All this time, Russia has focused on hitting the TPPs, or thermal power plants, and various other gas and hydro-stations near dams, etc. Hitting nuclear plants is obviously quite a sticky subject because of not only the optics it creates, but obviously the dangers involved. Last time I had posted photos of the ‘substations’ which down-convert nuclear energy to be sent over the major 750 kV lines. These substations are usually located in close proximity to the nuclear plants themselves, as seen below:
>Hitting them can cut the plant off from the grid, but carries major risks: an errant missile could miss or get shot down over the nuke plant itself, causing a radioactive event; and the second and much more likely risk is that hitting the substations cuts the plant itself off from power which can take out its cooling systems, leaving the plant unable to cool itself and thus risking a melt down.
>So, Russia has for a long time avoided striking these nuclear substations. But it seems it may have been part of a long term strategy to first degrade or entirely wipe out Ukraine’s conventional energy grid generating capabilities and leave the nuclear power stations to the very end, particularly because there are not very many of them.
>Ukraine has several dozen thermal power plants, which have now all been struck and either destroyed or degraded to some extent—but it has only three total nuclear plants (not counting Zaporozhye NPP, which most MSM still claims is under Ukrainian control)—Rivne, Khmelnitsky, and South Ukraine:
<Now that we’re caught up, let’s take a look at what allegedly happened last night. Russian hypersonic Zirkon, Iskander, and other missiles allegedly hit the major 750 kV substation linking the Rivne NPP to Kiev according to several unverified reports—this one from AMK:
<Another report lists a series of 330 kV and 110 kV stations which were attacked by drones:
<And another report of a previous strike days ago claims that the 750 kV stations near Vinnitsya were targeted:
>Now, we can see the tone of Western media’s coverage really change into something bordering on panic. We had just written in the last report about how Zelensky was begging for a new energy ceasefire because Russia hit back way harder than Ukraine’s pitiful tanker strikes, or the woefully diminished strikes on Russian oil refineries. Now Reuters confirms what readers here had already known for a week:
>In the latest piece, head of Ukraine’s largest energy company DTEK says that up to 70% of total capacity is lost and Ukraine’s entire grid would have to be rebuilt from the ground up, rather than simply repaired, such is the totality of its destruction:https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/has-russia-finally-begun-disconnecting >>2663900I saw rumors they were going to hit the NPP substations, but the rumors disappeared the moment that Christcucktin got offered more meaningless talks.
>>2662799When this thread was quickly settled on not supporting unironic neo-nazis, that were installed by Western imperialists, in order to facilitate a proxy war with genocidal intentions and a strengthening grip on global resources, neither Putin nor the Russian state was ever praised as anything more than coincidentally thwarting US imperialism.
For some reason, a few anons were really unhappy about that consensus of not voicing critical support to Imperialist-backed-Fascists and have been working
for years to manufacture a fake reality where this thread's consensus is "putin rools ukrain sux lmao" and they're *forced* to prove otherwise.
But why the dedication to promoting a false narrative? What do you get out of it? What are you trying to excuse? Banderites? The US for installing Neo-Nazis?
>>2663900>West panics because Ukraine wont have electricity Sure thing bro lol 😆
The whole point was to sacrifice Ukraine to inflict damage on Russia. To the last one!
>>2663959no electricity means no electricity at the front either i assume
>>2664027Why is electricity needed at the front? I trust its more of a logistical issue since it could create problems to transportation and political although I dont think that Ukrainians can ever do something about it.
>>2664050Charging FPV drones perhaps
>>2664050Heating, water/sewage pumps, RADAR and other sensors, computers, drones etc.
They should have back-up diesel generators at important command posts but that is another heat signature and requires logistics to supply fuel.
>>2664050He's wrong, electricity at the front runs mostly on diesel generators and such, it would only be affected by striking transportation. No electricity in Ukraine means that the civilian economy grinds to a halt(military manufacturing, R&D or command is unlikely to be affected as they'll be prioritized for the remaining power) which means
1. Ukraine is in an even deeper trench to pay for its continued operation and European sponsors will have to dig even more billions out of their own pockets
2. Ukrainians living comfortably in Kiev and west Ukraine get seriously affected by the war, every single one, and become more inclined to want it to end, even in a way unfavourable to Ukrainian nationalism. In addition, their support for the current government weakens as they perceive them as unable to provide basic needs.
>>2664061Also, could potentially send Ukraine into a serious crisis if it remains in blackout through the coldest days of winter. Millions of people become at risk of dying of cold and resources have to go to addressing that rather than the war. Also not great for continued manufacturing of weapons and supply of recruits.
>>2663337>if im being honest, i can't see why genuine communists wouldn't be on the side of ukr liberation.Well that's simply because you aren't a communist and just have Ctrl+F'd some theory. The Ukrainian workers aren't struggle to liberate themselves from anything. The Ukrainian state has no worker politics, it is more dominated by bourgeois and petty bourgeois politics than any other state in Europe.
More over it sided with NATO and therefore any actual communist should get great cheer from watching it suffer the invasion and bombing it gleefully participated in during the NATO occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>2663337>i can't see why genuine communists wouldn't be on the side of ukr liberation.but we are
>>2664061Regarding 2, I am not optimistic. A bit like how germany fought to the end, its not like they can do anything about it even if they could see beyond the propaganda. They are also too much invested on it.
And whoever is even a bit revolutionary in spirit has already gone elsewhere..
>>2662799>Shhh. This thread is the last bastion of Putin defenders. Let them be.I know! but the good/cool ones like International Brigade have left (maybe couldn't stand his alt-media idols of years turncoating him and calling Putin naive/weak/paper tiger etc.??? lol), leaving only the really crazy ones to sperg out at every slight
>>2664102The only reason you're in these threads is to obsess about flagfags
US scales down commitments to defend European allies>The Pentagon will offer “more limited” support to fellow NATO members, its revised strategic document says<The bloc’s chief, Mark Rutte, recently credited Trump with ultimately making NATO more resilient.>“He has forced us in Europe to step up” https://swentr.site/news/631443-pentagon-strategy-defense-europe/NATO is the most united it has ever been.
>>2663959In the 354-page RAND paper from 2019,
Extending Russia, it's interesting that the US accurately calculated that providing lethal aid to Ukraine would risk counter-escalation against only Ukraine.
The US also had doubts about its ability to gain influence in the South Caucasus and Central Asia, but Putin has handed over that influence on a silver platter with his weakness in and outside the Ukrainian theater. :)
>Measure 4: Exploit Tensions in the South Caucasus …………………… 115>Armenia also has several reasons why it might be unwilling to break with Russian patronage. >Measure 5: Reduce Russian Influence in Central Asia ………………… 121>the EU is not seeking to bring Central Asian countries into association agreements anyway; only Kazakhstan would be a suitable participant and it would be unlikely to risk Moscow’s probable objection. >>2664063>Also, could potentially send Ukraine into a serious crisis ifUkraine and its Western puppetmasters don't care about coulds.
<See this Oreshnik? It could be used to…<See this softcock tap on a substation connected to the Rivne NPP? We could…The sooner Russia realizes that its hints and implications are useless, the better.
>>2664223 (me)
One of Putin's flaws is projecting his rationality onto irrational people.
>>2664230Putin isn't expecting western leaders to act rationally. He wants to be him and Russia to be seen as reliable ally to the third world, who both talks the talk and walks the walk and who isn't talking about global rules, UN and sovereignty and then debasing itself in thuggish behaviors and hypocrisy for self interest like the west does. "Cucktinism" a theater to the UN and third world not attempts at appeasement towards the west. Russia might not need the west like the European sanction mongers always repeat, but Russia does need the Brics and the third world on it's side.
I think he once though that he could make deals with US and the west, but I think he no longer believes that west will meet Russia in the middle with anything. EU and Nato will only be motivated by imminent defeat or defeat itself to be finally motivated to compromise. The reality however is that if Russia wants a secure border in the west it will need to draw some new lines of understanding for the European security with the US if not with the Europeans, atleast when it comes to how things stand now.
>>2664223To be fair the hints and implications that Russia would not survive more than a few weeks after invading Ukraine didn't work, nor did the hints and implications that redline crossing was "testing the waters" for NATO entering the conflict.
Ukraine hasn't surrendered and will keep bussing people to the front to the bitter end, because what would peace really provide them at this point? Likewise the West has little incentive to sue for peace because, as pointed out they're not getting smacked anyway, but also because the end of the conflict means either continuing to fund Ukraine's existence at the same rate they currently are while Russia is no longer having to fight and spend at its current rate, or they also cut funding and risk another major immigration crisis when all Western parties have made it their policy to
oppose encourage seething about mass immigration.
So I think it's incorrect to view Ukraine's reluctance to quit fighting as resilience that Russia is failing to break, it's more that the gamble that sanctions were going to swiftly force Russia to retreat didn't pay off and crucially nor did throwing everything at preventing land captures pay off with mass discontent within Russia, the outcome isn't good for Ukraine or the West but you don't have to confront that until the conflict actually ends.
>>2664253At this point, that's also being compounded by the US and EU trying to now exploit how "cucked" Russia is to international law by demonstrating how "uncucked" they are by those same laws.
So, they've succeeded in exciting western pro-Ukraine X accounts by illegally disrupting international shipping and claiming they've allowed themselves to steal money from countries they're not officially at war with, but at the cost of demonstrating to the rest of the world that the West is unstable.
>>2664253>picThe new Monroe doctrine is all a LARP. The US has no intention of pulling its tentacles out of Europe and Asia. All it's doing with the LARP is
(1) trying to buy itself freedom of action in South America by pushing the scam that it could reciprocate and allow Putin/Xi freedom of action in "their" spheres.
(2) trying to increase pressure on Europe to become a militarily stronger set of vassal states so that it can hurl them against Russia.
>>2664276It's pretty bizarre to think that the rest of the world lacked the insight and sophistication to realize that the West is unstable until it seized a few tankers.
>>2664315It's not the act, more the narrative provided for their seizure. Alongside the example you ignored about declaring themselves entitled to take assets from countries they just don't like, it presents a very sudden turn away from international law and that's a result of instability.
No doubt the rest of the world recognised the West were imperialists and frequently broke international law, but it was with a lot of manufacturing consent and "restrained" (for a lack of a better term) to invasions and CIA shit against America's enemies. But openly disrupting international shipping, openly threatening to steal money, openly declaring the US will be taking control of another country and openly trying to take territories away from each other, is… different.
>>2664356>No doubt the rest of the world recognised the West were imperialists and frequently broke international lawYes.
>but it was with a lot of manufacturing consent and "restrained" (for a lack of a better term) to invasions and CIA shit against America's enemies. But openly disrupting international shipping, openly threatening to steal moneyPretty sure there are worse horrors in recent memory, like the Iraqi death count and the facilitation of what's happening in Gaza. The instability of the West has long been factored in.
>openly declaring the US will be taking control of another country and openly trying to take territories away from each other, is… different.This wasn't in your other post. It's true that there was a long lull in the American expansionism project before Trump started mouthing off about making Canada and Greenland part of America, but the American imperialism project has been going non-stop.
>>2664486Even before that there is the American imbroglio in Serbia, then Clinton bombing Sudan, then with Noriega, then Vietnam, etc. The US has never been a particularly shocking hegemon. The reason why people keep bringing up Iraq is because: 1. Most yanks grew up around that time 2. Many lower middle class whites were impact directly by the war and associated military casualties
But here's the thing. America behaving erratically will not make the world more multipolar, in fact it will result in countries behaving more submissively for fear of getting hit. We are pack animals and we have an instinctive fear of the alpha male. Therefore it is not enough for America's consent manufacturing engine to break, the US needs to lose an actual conventional war for the grip to actually loosen
Part of the problem is that leftists for good reason aren't satisfied with the amount of blowback America has received during its existence, so it's easy to hope that some new minor-in-comparison provocation will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, even though America has been getting away with far worse for far longer.
The only threat to America over the next 50-100 years looks to be some kind of civil war. Or even the Posadist dream of nuke tech becoming available to backyard hobbyists is more likely than the unrealistic scenario of countries like China and Russia deciding to knife America economically or respond to proxy wars with attacks on the American homeland.
>>2664486>The instability of the West has long been factored in.What you've described is brutality, that's not interchangeable with instability. Western imperialism is treated like a protection racket, if you play ball and don't refuse their "protection" then you don't end up like Iraq or Gaza, but when the West becomes unstable then there's no guarantee that paying protection won't result in being attacked or robbed anyway.
>This wasn't in your other post.You already ignored one of the examples given in that post, what difference does it make to raise more now?
>>2664532>America behaving erratically will not make the world more multipolar, in fact it will result in countries behaving more submissively for fear of getting hit. I'm sure that's certainly the hope for the US right now, because they're losing global influence to China. They're doing what cucktinists reckon Russia should have been doing when losing its influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, just getting hyper-aggressive with everyone and daring them to fight back.
>>2664547The US going from claiming it does everything it does for upholding international law to then stating that those same laws are merely a nicety they don't have to obey, isn't minor.
>>2664532>in fact it will result in countries behaving more submissively for fear of getting hitThat submissiveness will continue to be praised for "not starting WW3." Basically let the bully country do what it wants because punching it in the nose "could start WW3." It's any bully's dream.
>>2664532humans are not a monolith and 'alpha male' discourse is unscientific reactionary bullshit even when talking exclusively about wolves.
>>2664563Well the rise of alternative banking systems, trade organisations, military alliances, etc are reactions to US imperialism and abuses of power, it's just not nooking Washington.
Like mocking the concept of attacking the US directly being the start of WW3 is US apologia, it forgives US imperialism on the basis you could just punch the US in the face and they'd give in immediately, since no one is doing that then everyone deserves the "bully".
>>2664532>the US needs to lose an actual conventional war for the grip to actually loosenIt's already lost conventional wars, but the grip doesn't break because the devastation occurs in faraway places rather than on the American homeland.
If Taiwan pops off and the US gets the brazen idea to start firing at Chinese cities using a ridiculously thin cover of "proxy" subterfuge, I hope China doesn't just sink the carriers in the region but also hits the American homeland.
>>2664580>since no one is doing that then everyone deserves the "bully".ignore the usual antics
>>2664557>The US going from claiming it does everything it does for upholding international law to then stating that those same laws are merely a nicety they don't have to obey, isn't minor.The rest of the world wasn't stupid enough to believe America's phony word games. There are no grand realizations here.
The bedwetters who'd like everyone to be as scared as they are against responding to US aggression are spreading the glowop US omnipotence myth.
The US has a habit of walking away with its tail between its legs when it meets sufficient resistance.
CHAD Ryabkov the CHAD communicator strikes again:
Ryabkov: Relations with the US are "stuck in the mud," with talks downgraded to working level because there’s no progress on core disputes.
Ryabkov: Trump's talk about a new US superweapon is nothing that changes the strategic balance.
Ryabkov: The invitation stands for a Putin-Trump summit in Moscow, but Trump must first demonstrate substance.
>>2664602The point is you can work with an America that presents itself as the world police that only requires your co-operation, you can't with an America that claims there is no law and there is no police.
>>2664635>you can work with an America that presents itself as the world police that only requires your co-operationwut, even if you know it's a load of shit??
>>2664646Yuh, even if you know it's a load of shit!!
>>2663413not only that. these people
>>2663337 purportedly defending 'the borderlands liberation', don't acknowledge that zelya, with his party, signed a decree forcing English use and learning as:
1) Mandatory to all mid to top ranking political offices, elected or appointed.
2) Media in English must not be dubbed into ukrainian, and rather have subs in ukrianian.
3) Mandatory for all scientific research.
de-facto colonizing ukraine to the anglosphere.
liberation? LIBERATION, says the boyo.
>>2664276>At this point, that's also being compounded by the US and EU trying to now exploit how "cucked" Russia is to international law by demonstrating how "uncucked" they are by those same laws. Then the problem is that of the west only US has any kind of real power and most of what it has is soft power. Even US military and spook agencies, and sanctions are only possible because at the end of the day US empire is a reserve currency printer in a trench coat. US dollar and the US itself by extension is really only relevant because people believe it is. If one or two countries says it's not then US used to could just isolate and invade or coup them. When it's the whole world starting to believe that and US and has a vested interest of not having others believe so then it becomes a problem for the empire. Then it has already become a vicious cycle of losing trust and power.
>>2664611When it puts boots on the ground. Though the Houthi did at least spook the US Navy.
The danger with Trump is he is more aggressive than most presidents but has an aversion to any kind of long term boots on the ground. The US has major advantages in the intelligence, electronic, and cyber domains which make operations like kidnapping Maduro a relative cake walk.
Any operation against Russia is likely to be that kind of carefully prepared operation, and Russian threats of using nukes in response are not (yet) credible.
>>2664102No IntBrigAnon has just been corrupted by Polish pussy. Many such cases.
Wikipedia's """""""""neutrality""""""""":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_portrayal_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war<Russia>Media in Russia is controlled by the Kremlin>Here's a list of debunked claims the evil Russians made<Ukraine>Ukraine's media is the freest in the world>They're fighting Russian disinformation>>2665965Now consider that English wikipedia is actually fairly neutral compared to the Russian one. The latter has been completely occupied by ukrainians and their gusano liberast minions who turned it into a live peremoga feed. It's especially apparent in articles about latest Russian military tech where the English versions tend to acknowledge its effectiveness to some extent, while the Russian ones go
>X cost a stalinillion rubles but due to the corruption of Putin's authoritarian ruscist regime and totalitarian Soviet legacy it turned out to be completely useless at everything except bombing children's cancer wards (according to credible Ukrainian sources) >>2665965>>2665988Neutrality is a code word for "our approved propaganda sources". It's kind of funny how every Soviet "evil" was vindicated by this war. Soviets dismissed Westoid sources out of hand and censored Westoid news heavily and also punished random ass radio listeners and undercover printing presses and such shit? Welp, turns out, they were entirely correct in doing so
Pyongyang, January 26 (KCNA) – Kim Jong Un, general secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and president of the State Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, visited the Mansudae Art Studio on January 25 to guide the creation of sculptures to be erected and displayed at the Memorial Museum of Combat Feats at the Overseas Military Operations.
Accompanying him were leading officials of the C.C., WPK and No Kwang Chol, minister of National Defence of the DPRK.
The respected Comrade Kim Jong Un was courteously greeted on the spot by leading officials of the Mansudae Art Studio.
He learned about the creation while looking at symbolic tower, main group sculpture, group of subsidiary theme sculptures, decorative engravings for outer wall, etc.
He expressed satisfaction over the fact that the overall creation of sculptures has been conducted on the principle of ensuring the monumental value and symbolism at the highest level in line with the intention of our Party to build the Memorial Museum of Combat Feats at the Overseas Military Operations into an edifice of lasting value which will convey forever the legendary feats and glorious life of admirable sons of the DPRK, the defenders of honour.
He said with his great satisfaction that the symbolic tower of the memorial museum of combat feats was well made in detail.
Many statues of heroes produced in the war for defending the country in the 1950s such as Ri Su Bok, Jo Kun Sil and Kang Ho Yong have been erected in different parts of the country until now, but today figures of ordinary soldiers of our country, who can be seen everywhere, imposingly stand on the peak of honour, the platform of dignity, embodying the political and ideological mightiness peculiar to the Korean People's Army, he said, adding: This is a precious reality proving not only the succession but also the victory of our cause. Distinguished heroism of the victorious wartime generation has been developed into mass heroism of the whole army, and herein lies a proud review of our Party's long history of building a politically and ideologically powerful army.
Saying that our army proved before the times the law of strength, the immutable truth that the strong in spirit always emerge victorious, and this is the absolute strength of our army only that no any other country's army can possess, he underscored the need to ensure high artistic portrayal and delicate perfection in all details so that every visitor to the memorial museum can feel the faith in certain victory cherished by the heroic soldiers, standing in front of even a sculpture, and always remember them.
He indicated the orientation and ways for completing the creative work at the highest level, including the issues arising in more vividly symbolizing in every sculpture the militant stamina, fierce offensive spirit, noble comradeship and ardent patriotism of our army, highlighting in a peculiar way the respects of the country and the people to the heroic life and sacred soul of the brave soldiers, ensuring formative refinement in the distribution and arrangement of substantial elements in depiction of sculptures and making the best of the monument's characteristics by harmoniously unifying the sculptural forms and architectural structures.
He expressed expectation and belief that the creative group of the studio would present admirable creations with its utmost sincerity in reflection of the eternal gratitude and respects of our Party, government, army and people to the genuine patriots. -0-
>>2665988>Now consider that English wikipedia is actually fairly neutral compared to the Russian one. The latter has been completely occupied by ukrainians and their gusano liberast minionsThat's English Wikipedia too.
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/01/19/wikimedia-ukraine-in-2024-5-biggest-projects-5-new-initiatives/https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/02/01/wikimedia-ukraines-work-in-2023-in-10-projects/>who turned it into a live peremoga feed.My brother in Christ, have you visited Wikipedia recently?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces#Foreign_personnel>Because Ukraine has killed 10 billion Russians and there are no Russians left, the evil Putin is now stealing Indians and Africans According to Wikipedia, Mariupol is still in Ukraine.
>>2666008I am not saying English wiki isn't biased or bad, it's just the """Russian""" one is far worse in every way, and doesn't even pretend to follow basic wiki conventions when it comes to spinning anti-russian propaganda.
For a blatant example, check out the infoboxes for "Russian invasion of Ukraine"
>English wiki<a map>Ukrainian(!) wiki<a map>DE/FR/IT/etc<same map>Russian<BODIES OF CIVILIANS KILLED IN BUCHA and RUZZIAN TANKS DESTROYED BY BRAVE UKRAINIAN DEFENDERS and BURNING BLACK SEA FLEET HQ >>2666028>BODIES OF CIVILIANS KILLED IN BUCHA and RUZZIAN TANKS DESTROYED BY BRAVE UKRAINIAN DEFENDERS and BURNING BLACK SEA FLEET HQYou're still describing English Wikipedia. Take for example, the article on the Odesa Trade Union fire. According to Wikipedia, Russians burned themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes>Violence erupted on 2 May, when a 'United Ukraine' rally was attacked by pro-Russian separatists. Stones, petrol bombs and gunfire were exchanged; two pro-Ukraine activists and four pro-Russia activists were shot dead in the clashes.[23][24][25][26] The pro-Ukraine protesters then moved to dismantle a pro-Russian protest camp in Kulykove Pole, causing some pro-Russian activists to barricade themselves in the nearby Trade Unions House. Shots were fired by both sides, and the pro-Ukraine protesters attempted to storm the building, which caught fire as the two groups threw petrol bombs at each other.[27][28][29]The article on the invasion is just deboonking of "Russian narratives":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine>Putin espoused irredentist and imperialist views challenging Ukraine's legitimacy as a state, baselessly claimed that the Ukrainian government were neo-Nazis committing genocide against the Russian minority in the Donbas, and said that Russia's goal was to "demilitarise and denazify" Ukraine.[9][10][11][12]"baselessly claimed" is a link to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Russian_themes>Disinformation (a lie or exaggeration meant to sway opinion) has been spread by the Russian state, state-controlled media, propagandists, and Russian web brigades as part of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Its purpose is to build support for Russia's invasion, and to weaken opposition to the war.[9][10][11][12] It also seeks to sow disunity among Western countries who support Ukraine; to counter NATO; and to cover up or create plausible deniability for Russian war crimes.[13]>The following are common themes in Russian propaganda and disinformation, along with some of the common rebuttals. Wikipedia is one of the most effective ways of disseminating Western propaganda. Check the article on Azov. There's no mention of them being neo-nazis at the top. It is buried somewhere deep down in the article in the deboonking of Russian narratives section.
>>2666037>the article on the Odesa Trade Union fireThis one at least lists it as a conflict and includes Ukrainian neo-nazis as combatants. The Russian one doesn't even do that, instead it is listed as an "accident" caused by nebulous "participants of street clashes using incendiary cocktails". And then an entire opening paragraph is dedicated to how it's used by "Russian propaganda" as evidence of the "non-existent" genocide of Russians.
Once again I am not saying English wiki is good, I just thought it'd be funny to point out how horrifically compromised the Russian one is. If EN wiki is like reading CNN, RU one is like reading nafo twitter or deranged libshit telegrams.
>>2666041Maybe you get that impression because Ukrainians are uncouth and don't have similar command of the English language as Westoid libs do. English Wikipedia editors are journalists, academics, DoD employees and contractors, etc. people versed in how to propagandise.
> instead it is listed as an "accident" caused by nebulous "participants of street clashes using incendiary cocktails".Yes, that is what the English wikipedia says too.
>Violence erupted on 2 May, when a 'United Ukraine' rally was attacked by pro-Russian separatists.So from the get go they blame it on the "pro-Russians".
>The pro-Ukraine protesters then moved to dismantle a pro-Russian protest camp in Kulykove Pole, causing some pro-Russian activists to barricade themselves in the nearby Trade Unions House.What neo-nazis? they're "pro-Ukraine" protestors.
>the pro-Ukraine protesters attempted to storm the building, which caught fire as the two groups threw petrol bombs at each other.[27][28][29]The building just "caught fire".
>includes Ukrainian neo-nazis as combatantsTo you, maybe, but they don't call them "neo-nazis".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector>Right Sector (Ukrainian: Пра́вий се́ктор, romanized: Pravyi sektor) is a loosely defined coalition of right-wing to far-right[13] Ukrainian nationalist organizations.They're just "far-right" Ukrainian nationalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Assembly>The Social-National Assembly (SNA) was an assemblage of the ultra-nationalist radical organizationsSome more "ultra-nationalists".
Misanthropic division is the only neo-nazis there, but you'd have to read their article to find that out, because in the Odesa clashes article they're described as "Ukrainian Nationalist groups".
>Ukrainian Nationalist groups such as Right Sector, Misanthropic Division, and the Social-National Assembly were also simultaneously active, in opposition to the pro-Russian groups.[2]If you ctrl+f neo-nazi in the Odesa clashes article, the only neo-nazis mentioned are Russians, in a caption of an image:
>Anti-government far-right Odesskaya Druzhina militants holding a banner on the 20 April, with the neo-Nazi Kolovrat symbol visible on their uniformsSo English Wikipedia is just as "horrifically compromised", they just do a better job of it.
>>2666045Created by Russians, don't you know?
>The Kyiv Post reported in 2015 that the Misanthropic Division had been created as an informal group by Russian fighters serving in the Right Sector's military unit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropic_Division#Revolution_of_Dignity John Helmer:
>Putin’s new concessions in this three-way swap have stimulated dissent in Moscow. The Kremlin has replied with an editorial on Friday in Vzglyad, the semi-official security analysis platform, headlined: “Moscow [Putin] has made an elegant diplomatic move in a subtle game with the United States”.
>“By supporting Washington’s initiatives, the Kremlin is showing how productive an equal Russian-American dialogue can be for the whole world, and especially for its hottest regions. And how useless and counterproductive Europe is in this sense…But why should Russia indiscriminately reject this proposal? Trump is quite sincerely striving for a Ukrainian settlement, so why not assume that he is pursuing the same goals in the case of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?… Rejecting such initiatives means cutting off opportunities for ourselves in advance, blocking one of the zones for playing on the world chessboard, and even publicly refusing to interact with the leading Western power. Moreover, the Peace Council does not currently touch upon or discuss any of Russia’s interests related, for example, to its own…It is logical that Trump, within the framework of his own dealmaking logic, considers this hint – and will be at least additionally motivated to take a respectful step in return, which is important for Russia’s interests.”
L M A O
ffs, bring back Biden already. Or fast forward to Newsom/Vance.
>>2666054Maestro does it again. Bravo!
Is there nobody else around who can appreciates the elegance of Putin's humiliation fetish?????????
>>2666061WAIT FOR TRUMP gang, we're so back!
What I have noticed on English Wikipedia is that mentions of Ukraine are shoehorned in to a lot of articles unrelated to the conflict.
For example, the start of the article for "Culture of Europe" has an image of Ukrainians in traditional clothing as the image depicting "Europeans" in a generic sense, the rest of the article shows images of architecture, art, scientists, philosophers, events, foods, etc
>>2666113>What I have noticed on English Wikipedia is that mentions of Ukraine are shoehorned in to a lot of articles unrelated to the conflict.Any article tangentially related to Russia or Ukraine is going to mention the invasion and war. Libs got mind-broken. It'd be funny if it weren't so tragic and scary.
>>2666116Yeah any kind of vehicle used by the Russian military has their Wikipedia articles updated with propaganda about how poor their performance is in Ukraine and how desperate Russia is for using them, sourced from western MSM articles, with at least a couple of images of them destroyed if available. Like take the article for the much beloved Bukhanka, the history contains these encyclopaedic facts
>During the Russian invasion of Ukraine mounting losses of supply and utility vehicles in the Russian military faster than they could be replaced resulted in UAZ-452 loaf vans being deployed to the frontlines. Despite some rugged off-road features, its lack of shock absorbers, poor comfort and weak engine made its performance extremely poor and an easy target for drones. Its thin steel panels do not provide protection against drone strikes, and the fuel tanks under the vehicle on both flanks make it susceptible to catching fire. >By 2024 destroyed Bukhankas became a common sight in Ukraine and, as a result, Russian troops have attempted to reinforce the vans with caged armour. More desperate modifications, such as covering the vans in Kontakt reactive armor including its windshield were observed. Unlike the thick armour of tanks the van is not capable of handling the explosive charge within the ERA blocks and the modifications make it more dangerous for the crew.By comparison the history for the US supplied Humvee in Ukraine merely has this to say
>On 22 April 2022, Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby described a package of military equipment being transported to Ukraine to assist in its war with Russia, including "100 armored Humvee vehicles". An additional 50 were promised on 19 August 2022, and were delivered at an unknown date. A number of Humvees were used in the assault on the Russian oblast of Belgorod on 22 May 2023.Despite the fact both are equally vulnerable to FPV drones and Humvees are frequently seen destroyed in Ukraine.
>>2666113Russia is also european tho
>>2666125It's such blatant propaganda. The article about the Maidan coup is called "Revolution of Dignity".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity>>2666132Scary because it is so easy to make people believe a narrative and completely change the way they think. 5 years ago nobody knew where Ukraine was, now all of a sudden we should sacrifice everything to save them.
Ukrainians can just admit to war crimes in their newspaper and nobody from the Western media is going to point it out.
>We put ourselves Z-s and V-shock on cars and directly through the central exit of the plant on the central roads of the city on the turned off headlights drove. Did not stop at the checkpoints. The machine gunner with the call sign "Batya" shouted to them: "Your!" – and so we drove to "Azovstal".https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2026/01/26/8017820/Perfidy is a war crime.
>>2666141It’s grimly funny that NATO expending Ukraine in a proxy war starts with something dubbed the “Revolution of Dignity”.
>>2666113>What I have noticed on English Wikipedia is that mentions of Ukraine are shoehorned in to a lot of articles unrelated to the conflict. At some point the article about Philadelphia sushi rolls, which is only a paragraph long, had an extra sentence pointing out that it is one of the most popular sushi rolls in Ukraine especially during the Russian invasion. Shockingly they took it down though.
>>2666159I don’t know, by now any example of war crimes committed by Ukraine are considered either clever if it involves endangering civilians and utilising civilian transport/buildings/infrastructure, or warranted if it involves Russian soldiers.
>>2666113>>2666116>>2666169You can check through "what links here" for what links to a page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Russo-Ukrainian_war>Sailor Moon>Bread>Discordhttps://linkcount.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&page=Russo-Ukrainian+warOver 9000 links. And that's to Russo-Ukrainian war. There's also 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and Russo-Ukrainian war (2022-present) articles, with 11,167 and 15,372 links to them, respectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine>Coca-Cola>Chelsea F.C.>Fields Medal>The Troubles>KFC>Pizza Hut>Hockey CanadaWikipedia might as well rename itself to Ukropedia.
>>2666184Kek, they really have tried to make being invaded the biggest event in modern history. I think the invasion needs a tagline
>The Russian invasion of Ukraine: It changes everything. Ukraine collapse status?
>>2666337You don’t have a cringe folder?
>>2666335You should kys for posting that. It made me uncomfortable
>>2666341Because it has long since been decided by /ukr/, the side with the most cringe will lose
Interesting that cucktin posters present themselves as too pro-Russian for Putin to handle, but posting Ukrainian AI cringe is apparently a sore spot
>>2666130Euro Asiatic. Same with Turkiye, less evidently Kazakhstan, and Georgia.
>>2666054> why not assume that he is pursuing the same goals in the case of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?because Palestinians weren't invited?
>Trump is quite sincerely striving for a Ukrainian settlementhe would be sincere, by sanctioning Ukraine into smithereens.
>>2666402The recording was always fake as fuck to begin with
Probably one of the best headlines to come out of Western MSM
>Fact check: No, Russia didn't bomb a 'pedo enclave' in Ukraine<There's no mention in any reliable reporting of a paedophile enclavehttps://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/06/03/fact-check-no-russia-didnt-bomb-a-pedo-enclave-in-ukraine>>2666407That was another succeassful Ukrainian operation!
>The Ghost of Kyiv has been credited as a morale booster for Ukrainians during the Russo-Ukrainian War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_of_Kyiv>Despite the Ghost of Kyiv being an urban legend or instance of war propaganda, the pilot's alleged existence has been credited as a major morale boost for the Ukrainian population by bolstering optimism during the Russian invasion.[10][34][35] The story was widely shared by Ukrainians on social media[12][18] and eventually came to be treated by some as a composite character metaphorically representing the actions of the entire Ukrainian air force.[36][37]Just another Ukraine W.
>>2666442It's honestly amazing that Trump taking to to Truth Social to "blast Putin as crazy" over the strike is mentioned as though that de-legitimises the rumour lmao
>>2666466>D+8they laugh at "Kiev in three days!" which the Russians didn't even say. here they are saying they'll reach the sea of azov in 8 days. lmao
>>2666476>the rage against Ukraine was short lived but intenseI am confident that anger hasn't extinguished.
>>2666479obviously 'rasshits' would run in fear after seeing a leopard.
the
two more weeks crowd has been always a
every accusation is a confession crowd.
>>2666488When this is over and blame need to be placed for why NATO failed to prevent Russia moving westward, that rage against Ukraine will no longer be contained.
I mean that blame is already being placed offically tbf
https://thedefensepost.com/2025/02/18/ukraine-wasting-western-weaponry/ The eternal cope is that Ukraine has been losing because it hasn't given up Soviet doctrines, even though the ebin counteroffensyiv was spearheaded by a NATO-trained volunteer brigade led by a barbershop nazi millenial
>>2666471>Hamish de Bretton Gordonimagine having such a pretentious name
>>2666367>Interesting that cucktin posters present themselves as too pro-Russian for Putin to handle, but posting Ukrainian AI cringe is apparently a sore spotThe Champagne demonstrates that he has all the DSM-IV boxes checked for neuroses and psychoses. Nobody is competing with him on his watch! All someone said was "You should kys for posting that. It made me uncomfortable." There's nothing at all about Putin in there, much less "Cucktin," only an expression of disgust with Ukro propaganda. Nobody can beat The Champagne in the mental-damage Olympics, so don't even try, you noobs!
dreaming about cucktin posters for SURE
>>2666387There's nothing I can think of that will kill this Russian infatuation with Trump. Obv Gaza and Maduro weren't enough. Obv the piracy isn't enough. Obv the efforts to strongarm Russia's energy customers aren't enough.
>>2667054They’re not used to displaying human emotion, it’s a real struggle for them when doing photos
>>2667396>if you refuse to save dogshit Ukro prop on your hard drive, you think Putin is a cuckyikes
>>2667453Well perhaps I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.
Cucktinists clearly think they’re fooling everyone that they’re not just asspained the thread isn’t pro-Ukraine like the rest of the English speaking internet, but the fact cucktinism is largely expressed by human RSS Feeding the latest narratives from NAFO Xitter, the Ukrainian MoD, Banderite Telegram and Western MSM, suggests it’s hardly a coincidence that reposting Ukraine AI cringe ITT also gets instantly disparaged.
>>2667486Cucktinites are most definitely assmad lowkey crypto-nafoites, chatbots or otherwise; that or they really just are mind broken blodthirsty bastards who want to see more happenings, big arrows and dead workers, for their personal entertainment. Don't know which is worse. Provided that the the nafoid posting influx started when shit started to get hotter for Ukraine latter half of last year, and it was rather quiet before that, I'd say it's the former.
>>2667512Yeah prior to that you got a lot more "nook lvov/polan" posting and I think in hindsight, because the attitude in pro-Ukraine spaces at the time was that Ukraine/NATO already won because of le staelm8, the demand to nook someone was trying to convince the thread that such a drastic option was the only option left for Russia.
Which obviously no one expected them to do and thus a cause for gloating was manufactured without explicitly revealing their support for Ukraine, but now Ukraine is on the backfoot even by its own reckoning, cucktinists are simply just making sure the Ukrainian MoD and their peremogas are heard about ITT.
>>2667512Hey you were like that too
>>2667583I hope all his engagements are botted and not actual people
>>2667587If you have enough bots you will eventually get a few real ones.
Wagner was right… If you want to beat ukrop Prigozhin knew how to make it done.
>>2667619Right about what?
>>2667583It has been pointed out before, but yeah Brits probably shouldn't target people's appearance. He's apparently quite pleased recently because 15 British tourists supposedly accosted a Russian family in Egypt, including three daughters.
Unlike that tit Russia captured and let go, this chap is most likely to be caught at his own drone "factory".
if russias manage in the future annex the baltics and poland/finland, my life is theirs
can we stop pretending like this isn't a forever war like afghanistan or vietnam? Russia took a page out of the Yankee playbook on how to prop up weapons manufacturing industries.
>>2667512Don't use my flag to apologize for Cucktin you shill.
>>2667862I'm not trying to be you. Who the fuck anyway are you?
>>2667781Of course, my friend! Absolutely! The legendary, unstoppable Russian military—the one where soldiers' moms have to fundraise for basic gear—is totally poised for a leisurely stroll through the entire Eastern flank of NATO. It's a done deal!
Just picture the glorious advance:
Phase 1: The triumphant crews finish jury-rigging the last of the museum-piece tanks with bungee cords and hope. The grand parade westward begins, a majestic column of history… that immediately gets stuck in the first muddy field because all the recovery vehicles were sold for parts in 2014.
Phase 2: The campaign hits its first logistical snag. The mighty army pauses for a mandatory three-day negotiation period because the forward battalions have mutinied over the quality of the 50-year-old ration tins. The attack on Tallinn is postponed so a colonel can be flown in to personally promise "better spoons next week."
Phase 3: In a daring amphibious assault across a key river, they tragically misplace an entire platoon. Not to enemy fire, mind you, but to a spirited debate about the best way to patch a leaky rubber boat with a piece of chewing gum. They are last seen floating peacefully towards the Baltic Sea, waving.
Phase 4: Momentum is briefly restored! That is, until a senior commander, attempting to brew tea on a field-modified artillery shell casing (for efficiency), achieves a personal and permanent demobilization. Command and control devolves to a lieutenant who is primarily worried about the Wi-Fi password.
And after overcoming these minor, totally normal hurdles of modern warfare, they'll simply knock on the gates of Warsaw and Helsinki. The Poles, with their legendary cavalry and quiet determination, and the Finns, who consider winter a pleasant personality trait, will surely just… offer them a nice cup of tea and the deed to the country. "Here you go! We've been expecting you! Don't mind the suspiciously dense forest over there, it's lovely this time of year."
Any day now. Truly, the geopolitical event of the century. I'll be sure to pack them a welcome basket!
>2667904
sloppa
Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor; Latin: novacula Occami) is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements.
>Why is Putin constantly sucking up to Trump?
<A: He doesn't think he can conquer Ukraine with his forces and hopes the Americans can force the Ukrainians to give up fighting and just hand over what he can't take
>>2666776he should have throw that bicycle on the stairs.
>>2667054old and soulless are a common trait in cold war anti-communists of today.
>>2667919>Trump Trump Trumpbegone lib
>>2667919I assume it’s exploiting Russiagate, it undermines Trump’s authority when Russia pays credence to the claim he’s their agent.
>>2667919You're not using the razor properly. Putin has something to gain from sucking off Trump in negotiations no matter the military situation (unless complete collapse/black swan event).
>>2667947Trump is a liberal.
>>2667955Seriously you lot need to cool with mentioning cock, soft cocks, sucking cocks, etc. It’s a bizarre fixation on framing politics through the lens of sucking, fucking and cucking with cocks.
>>2667958We agree, now go back to uspol
>>2667962Why are you bothered by this?
>>2667966Im not american.
>>2667967Because this is a political board, talking about how you imagine this or that political leader’s cock looks like, whose cock they’re rhetorically sucking and whose cock is cucking whose, isn’t politics I’m afraid.
>>2667919the premise starts with a weird sophism. it was just this year that Russia got
really serious with ukr electrical infrastructure.
>>2667958his stance on abortion, 'muh big government', "
those low autism score ոіggеrѕ" makes him a clear conservacuck. he may love andrew lloyd webber and broadway gay musicals, but that's his encloseted homophobic homosexualism speaking.
>>2668047fun stuff. I used the de-filter text on one word, but I forgot that autism score gets filtered too.
>>2668104>The dead don't get paidYeah that's a significant conflict of interest for the Ukrainian military lmao
Zelensky tells military to focus on killing Russians>The Ukrainian leader has called it the task of the Defense Ministry, the army, and all security forces<The Ukrainian leader named a figure of 50,000 Russian losses per month as an “optimal level” the troops should strive for >The idea was initially floated by Ukraine’s newly appointed defense minister, Mikhail Fedorov, who called it one of Kiev’s “strategic goals” during his first press conference in his new capacity.https://swentr.site/russia/631617-zelensky-military-kill-russians/Me when I blag a job as the head of a bank
>Err, make investments, that is your task, I want… erm $500,000,000 every month coming in, I think that would be optimal for our operations and ensure we reach our strategic goals for this quarter >>2668003>ukr cholo naziI always hope this girl does porn or OF
post it
>>2668119Dare I say, war is war.
>>2668119>The Ukrainian military should focus on inflicting the highest possible casualties on RussiaUhm, so what will concretely change? Will they stop the meme operation where they pretend to be winning by holding on undefendable land for dear life so zelensky can cry out Russia is winning too slowly, and actual make strategically sound retreats? I doubt it. Seems like delusional boasting mainly meant for morale raising more than a change of strategy.
>>2668153Yeah I doubt that as well, I think it's just as Russia does continue to advance, they'll now claim the Ukrainian military is nevertheless hitting its "quotas" every month and so no one has to worry that they're losing.
But while that works for people who want to be charitable to the Ukrainian MoD and believe whatever they say is sensible, surely for everyone else the take away is there isn't a plan going forward, because issuing a quota isn't a plan and it's a "strategic goal" in the same way "win" is a strategic goal.
If it's the admittance of anything, it's that they're giving up on pretending this is a war that can be won via manooovering NATO-style and accepting it is a war of attrition, but that's something they've been extremely reluctant to admit from day one because Russia does have that much more men, does have its own production capacity for more than jerry-rigged FPV drones, does have its own oil and refineries, etc
I'm sure the average Ukrainian in 2022 needed to believe and did indeed believe they'd defeat Russia with "cunning", stunts like sinking the Moskva, relentlessly trying to take out the Kerch bridge to "cut off" supplies, droning whatever oil capacity exists just over the Kazakh border, dropping grenades on wounded soldiers via drone, blackmailing Russian kids into sabotage, scamming old Russians for money, etc, but how do you believe that in 2026 when people in Kiev need to now take shelter in communal tents for warmth and are unironically being instructed to dig holes to shit into?
>>2668161An amazing revelation about ChampSoc sockpuppets there.
>>2667862Hehe, Cucktin apologists are so mad about your calls for incinerating Lvov that they have to steal your flag to make it an anti-Cucktin-posting flag! I'm envious about the level of butthurt you've caused with such extremism bordering on comedy.
Now, given that you're a turbo Cucktin poster whose antics are well known, I'd immediately draw up a suspect list based on anyone who didn't call the new flag out for hypocrisy.
>>2668171That is correct too. Flag hijacking is one of the most assmad things you can do on this board.
>>2667633Do you have all your teeth, Champy?
>>2668180I had a few molars extracted in my teens.
>>2667919kek, Peskov is out there whining that Russia hasn't heard back from Trump about the offer to give Trump $1 billion from frozen Russian assets.
>>2668183Overperforming for a Brit, then. You should be treated as a national treasure.
>>2668047>it was just this year that Russia got really serious with ukr electrical infrastructure.Could've been done in 2022.
>>2667512Smarter trolls realize that posing as a "concerned true believer" is the safest way to derail and demoralize.
>>2668193What you describe is concern trolling and yes.
>Moscow has not yet heard a public reaction of the United States to Russia's proposal to transfer $1 billion from its frozen assets to the Board of Peace, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.
>Last week, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is ready to send $1 billion from previously frozen assets to the Board of Peace. Later, US President Donald Trump called Putin's idea "very interesting."
>"So far, we have not heard any public reaction to this," Peskov told reporters.
>Moscow took note of Trump calling Russia's idea as interesting," the spokesman said.
>"It certainly opens up new horizons for cooperation. We will see if there has been a reaction yet," Peskov added.
The reason for the delay is that Trump is suspicious. He can't believe that this kind of humiliation fetish is genuine.
>>2668189Considering how far back Putin places the origins of this conflict, it could have been the middle ages even lmao
>>2668196Been done in the middle ages*
I have to watch my grammar now, cucktinists are about
>>2668194I think concern trolling is more broad and can also take form of something like
>think of the heckin ukrainian workerinosI don't know if there's a specific term for disingeniously pretending that you agree with someone in order to give your words weight
Here's how to improve Russian comms:
<push Kirill Dmitriev out of a window
<retire Peskov to the Russian Far East
<fill Peskov's vacated position with Ryabkov
<fill Ryabkov's vacated position with Karaganov
<leave Lavrov and Maria in place
It's. That. Simple.
>>2668204Probably one of those English words given a kind of Russian-ish ending, like Demoralatisya
That's why IntBrig left.
It's easy to salvage one's self-esteem by writing off all anonymous critics of Putin's softness as super sekretly NATO.
It's harder when you see 95% of your favorite public-figure alt-mediaites come around to the same view.
Poor fellow. That's gotta hurt.
>>2668221It's just weird because none of the concepts these terms name are unique
>Vranyo is a form of institutionalised lyingWe have an equivalent which is "white lies"
<The English language contains a term for a specific kind of lying, the "white lie", it's not a good lie like the kind where you heroically take the blame for something you didn't do but would get in less trouble than the actual culprit. No, there's a culture of spreading casual lies, like telling fat people they look good because even though generally speaking no one thinks fat people are attractive, it's just easier if everyone pretends that's the case and the damage caused is evident with the phenomena of the "Plus Sized Model"It's actually lunacy.
>Trump is quite sincerely striving for a Ukrainian settlement, so why not assume that he is pursuing the same goals in the case of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?
Utterly unteachable.
Has nobody considered that an upright Christian man like Putin may have FORGIVEN Trump? Brothers, loving your friends is easy. Loving your enemies is the challenge.
>>2668237The funny thing is that it doesn't even mean that. In russian "vranyo" is lying/fibbing and "lozh" is deceit, that's it. The spooky institutionalized meanings are completely mystified up on the spot by western "kremlinologists". Makes me wonder just how horribly maliciously misrepresented Chinese terms are by Western MSM.
Ukraine expects to join EU next year – Zelensky>Kiev wants its Western supporters to back the bid, the Ukrainian leader has said<Ukraine’s accession to the European Union is one of the key security guarantees not only for us, but also for all of Europe,” he wrote. “That is why we are speaking about a concrete date – 2027 – and we count on partners’ support for our position.”https://swentr.site/russia/631618-zelensky-2027-ukraine-eu-accession/The problem is, Ukrainian membership in the EU is a security guarantee "for all of Europe" in the same way a petrol bomb thrown through their window is a guarantee thieves won't try to break in
Medvedev trying to pressure America to extend New START for another year:
>An attack by Ukrainian drones on Putin’s residence could entail a response involving the use of special weapons.
Also:
>America has until February 5.
They keep harping on about this with bizarre threats that America doesn't believe.
>>2668244That's our boy Putin right there, innit
>>2668245Ah they don't tbh, there's enough Chinese speakers that such abuse of lingo would be immediately called out and (rightfully) labelled racism.
>>2668251I strongly suspect shit like "gutter oil" or "tofu dreg buildings" aren't actual chinese terms or are heavily misinterpreted
>>2668255Eh the closest I recall was during Covid the insistence on calling markets in China that sell raw meat "wet markets", I don't know whether that was supposed to be a translated term, or just something coined on the sport, but either way it was definitely intended to imply selling raw meat
but like in a chinese-y way was unhygienic and caused a global pandemic.
I see a lot more of the stupid claimed made against the CPC like social credit scores and "metro stations to nowhere!".
Or they could just use one of those Oreshnik wunderwaffe to actually hurt NATO in a public manner. Like making the central government buildings and whatever bunker previously thought secure enough for VIPs a smoking crater full of said very important cadavers.
Then go on TV and explain that air defense ain't gonna do shit and by all means send all those NATO troops in to get vaporized in their barracks by the thousands.
>>2668266America knows that Russia won't do anything to the Nazi regime in Ukraine, let alone to NATO.
Not sure why Russia is pestering so much over this New START thing. It looks like fear/weakness to Trump for them to keep pestering - that's how his mind works - so on the assumption that the Russians aren't that dumb, one is left to conclude that the pestering is Medvedev's strategy for not getting a renewal :)
>>2668269 (me)
Forgot medvedev-laser-eyes.jpg
>>2668279I have wondered if it's price and time effective to train drone-hunting falcons
>>2668282Would they reliably be able to distinguish between Ukrainian and Russian drones? I suspect that would be the primary issue
>>2668282The birds would likely get blown up or mangle themselves in the blades after a couple of drone takedowns. Falcon training can take months, so it probably wouldn't work.
>>2668264“Wet market” has been around for decades in south east Asia. The government of Singapore coined it due to all the water from melting ice used in those kinds of markets. In Western countries the closest would be fish markets which still display goods in that style.
>>2668221“Commander centric approach”. Ah yes because in superior West average soldier just decides what mission to carry out and how to do it.
Lmao.
The “NATO model” is just Prussian Mission Tactics, which allows subordinate COMMANDERS freedom in how they carry out a task based on their superiors intent, and is almost never used below battalion level and often not used above that.
The Soviets used this concept when they had sufficiently experienced and trusted commanders to execute it. They just didn’t expect Sgts with a 6 month course or junior lieutenants to pull it off.
>>2668119Switching to an attrition strategy four years into an attrition war sure is something.
This is just them accepting that SUPERIOR NATO TRAING isn’t going to produce a war winning breakthrough and that they can’t moooobilise enough men to continue trading at current ratios.
>>2667534No. Lvov should be nuked on principle. Along with Washington and London.
Average concerned liberal, on the horrors of war.
>Vaguely humanistic screed about the evils of war wrt Russia
>Underdog grandstanding wrt Ukraine
<What would be then, ideally, a just resolution to this matter?
> Hitler-tweaking.gif
<Okay. What would you prescribe then for <literally anything US/NATO does to enforce hegemony>
>WHATABOUTISM! WHATABOUTISM!
alternatively
<Okay. What would you prescribe then for Israel's recent actions on Gaza
>ChatGPT-copeout(long form).txt
>>2666830The moment US got to providing a half of EU's gas supply, US started twisting EU's arms off.
>>2668255part of the reason it hasn't caught on to the same degree is that it sounds kind of stupid when you literally translate it into english. taking the example of "vranyo", if people started saying "russian culture has a unique concept called 'lying' which forms the basis of their propaganda machine", they'd sound like idiots. the real reason though is that the vast majority of people can't say chinese nouns in chinese without fucking it up, which is necessary if you want to sound like an oh so smart cultural insider. its a lot easier for an english speaker to say "dezinformatsiya" than it is to say "Shèhuì xìnyòng tǐxì"
This is an interimperialist war.
>>2668677Now that USA is "backstabbing" it's best ally Europe - yep, an interimperialist conflict
>>2668119>50,000 Russian losses per monththe random number generator hasn't gone. simply switches to new goals, new targets.
>>2668104bruh, I posted that above, just one post below of one of your replies.
>>2668187well, the SMO started with the premise that it's a brotherly nation. stranding away because of external influences.
>>2668193>concerned true believer/USA/pol is drowning on those. that thread doesn't stand one more
kill all burgers, even the children, it'll soon collapse and implode into a greenglowhole.
Ukr SU-25 frogfoot shot down by R-37 Air-to-Air missile from a Su-35. (UA posted the media, apparently related to this
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/08/7440961/ press release, Russian media aggregators informed about what shot down the frogfoot)
>>2668240>>2668240in all earnestness, I doubt that most of the leaders around the world believe in god. they are all either agnostics or atheists. religious leaders included.
>>2669154i remember when tucker carlson asked him i there was any sinister spiritual forces at work in the world he said no.
>>2669247Trump-Putin photo spotted at White House>The snapshot, taken at last year’s Alaska summit, is reportedly displayed in a waiting area for official guests<A photograph of US President Donald Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin has been hung at the White House, according to PBS correspondent Elizabeth Landers.>Landers said the image can be seen in the recently renovated Palm Room, a waiting area linking the West Wing to the executive residence, positioned above a family photo of Trump with his granddaughter.https://swentr.site/news/631631-trump-putin-photo-white-house/Indeed.
>>2669273people always talk about how the simpsons predicted this, and that.
people don't give too much credit to other shows. props to family guy to predict that trump would hang a picture with Putin.
>>2668264>metro stations to nowhereLel haven't heard that one yet. "Ghost cities" reloaded.
>>2668264Wet markets was a word even before. Fish market and farmers market are just a different types of wet markets. Wet market just means a market that sells perishable goods, usually just food, but isn't like a supermarket or attached to one. They are a global thing everywhere, of course less prevalent in the west.
Naziggers lost an su-34 lmfao why do they keep transwinning?
>>2669699the polack is the bigger retard for not realizing how satellites work and thinking Musk is some kind of a god who can locally alter the laws of physics at a whim
>>2669712It's not just any polack. he is the Polish foreign minister and the "than you USA" polack when nordstream happened and Anne Applebaum's husband. Some resume he has…
Tells something about the general intelligence level of people who shill for this war.
How is it that seizing tankers is somehow cucking Putin when that's obviously NATO's limp-wristed response to their inability to prevent Russia de-electrifying Ukraine or using Oreshniks to destroy the largest gas storage facility in Europe?
>>2669725>Burgers cucking Europe even more and extracting even more profit by selling gas and stopping Russia from selling oil is somehow bad for burgerstan and good for RussiaBravo! I bet you read swentr as well.
>>2669725It's like not
nooking everything for slightest violation is seen as weakness in this monkeyhouse of a world.
I for one respect the fact that atleast one side in the conflict doesn't rush to end civilization because the other side can't stop it's impotent shit flinging.
>>2669745We've come a long way from
>>2666335 >>2669731>Burgers cucking Europe even more and extracting even more profit by selling gas and stopping Russia from selling oil is somehow bad for burgerstan and good for RussiaThat's a completely different topic, and you're making a lot of baseless assumptions.
>>2669745Just sloppy work all around
>>2669721correcto mundo.
>>2669745the beauty of AI: making easier to fool people. nothing like Samuyil Hyde being the ghost of kyivyiv, and yet fooled the best of the best. I can't wait for the next Samuyil 🙏 *praying to jesus.gif*
>>2669798>OWNEDThe only word required to discard someone as both unserious about the conflict but serious about appealing to "the internet"
>>2669725Anyway, I've been trying to find information on how exactly seizing "shadow fleet" ships is a big win for NATO, because it seems like there's not really much to gain from grabbing one or two piecemeal. An old article from Korybko said that as much as a third of Russia's oil revenue relies on tanker transport, which shutting down could be a significant problem. The big headache for NATO seems to be that there's no legal means to do it, and like with that 300B in state assets the EU seized, they can't really do anything with it.
So what seems to be happening with these ships is that they get seized, a bunch of charges and accusations get leveled at them, and then several months later the ship and crew get let go because there's no basis for holding them. There's the Marinera example earlier in the thread where the ship is just sitting in Aberdeen while lawyers argue over what to do about it because Scotland has no jurisdiction over it and the US boarding it was just plain illegal.
After looking a bit more, there's also the case of the Eagle S. It was a "shadow fleet" tanker run by a UAE company that was illegally seized by Finland after its anchor allegedly "sabotaged" an undersea cable. Months of accusations and investigations, the company threatening to just abandon the ship, the crew being accused of terrorism, only for the whole case to suddenly get dismissed in court.
https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1155011/Finnish-court-throws-out-Eagle-S-cable-cutting-case
>CHARGES against a master and two other crew members of now-sanctioned tanker Eagle S (IMO: 9329760) have been dismissed by the Helsinki District Court.
>The Cook Islands-flagged vessel was thought to be behind damage to the Estlink2 cable on December 25, 2024.
>Finnish prosecutors said the vessel dragged its anchor for around 90 km, cutting five cables. The National Prosecution Authority charged the master and first and second officers with aggravated criminal mischief and aggravated interference with communications in August 2025.
>But the court found that “the act did not result in the kinds of consequences to Finland’s energy supply or telecommunications that are required to satisfy the statutory definition of criminal mischief or aggravated criminal mischief”.
>The incident took place in international waters but in Finland’s exclusive economic zone, the court said in its judgment. According to the charges levelled against the three seafarers, Finnish law could be applied to the incident because its consequences were felt in Finland.
>There was no allegation the three crew members intentionally damaged the cable, but prosecutors claimed they were aware of the poor state of repair of the anchor’s windlass and had neglected their duties and were thus guilty of lawbreaking on this basis.
>The court, however, said any issues of negligence on board were a matter for the vessels’ flag state or the seafarers’ native states, and didn’t fall within Finland’s jurisdiction. Imo that's why it's been difficult to find any mainstream information on what happens to these ships after being seized, what the purpose of doing so is, what the plan from here is supposed to look like, etc.: basically there isn't any answer that makes seizing these ships look like a real big win outside of the optics of seizing these ships. The owners sue, the case falls apart, and then the sailors and ship are quietly released some time later.
Another salient point comes up in the Eagle S wiki page, where the cost of just operating the ship in dock alone was €14,500 per day. With 300+ ships in the "shadow fleet," even if NATO could seize them all, where are they going to keep them all? Who's going to pay for all these operating costs? What about damages or liability, not to mention the legal costs as all the owners sue to get their stuff back? After making such a big deal about how old and ricketty these oil filled boats are, which country is going to volunteer to keep them in the meanwhile?
Imo, it's mostly sizzle, very little tuna steak.
>>2669805*pssst* never take into consideration the number of oil tankers owned by Russia. lowkey ranging between 300 to 600 or more.
>>2669805>>2669820that angers the
le coooookteeeeen crowd.
>>2669824It does, because they need to believe the US has infinite money and resources while Russia is running on fumes and has been since before this particular conflict
>>2669820>>2669824>>2669828It might anger them even more to find out that aside from being useless, seizing tankers seems to be backfiring even further by leading to China and Russia to contemplate arming their shipping fleet:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/12/american-pirates-and-the-coming-militarization-of-commercial-shipping.html >>2669855Unlikely, they’re particularly pleased with the US’ unique “fire first no matter how irrational” policy, that no one else has and are therefore cucked.
>>2668279Speaking of birds, I'm surprised carrier pigeons haven't made a comeback yet. Like RF's can be jammed and wires can be cut but a bird carrying an sd card or a paper message could still be useful as an option.
>>2669855>Seizing tankers is absolutely nothinburger and thats why Russia and China are arming the tankers.Retard
Have you faggots contemplated that by seizing tankers you show to third parties aspiring muh multipolar world that Russia cant save them, that you show who is the boss around what waters, see Venezuela, that you show how easy you can stop all that 30% of exports with whatever ramifications…
The burger empire might be falling, but the fallen neoliberal shithole is no match beyond the immediate borders, that's what it shows.
Keep on with your cuck fetish though. Ukraine collapsed this time with those frozen pipe videos or needs some more?
>>2669984>Seizing tankers is absolutely nothinburger and thats why Russia and China are arming the tankers.You need to work on your reading comprehension.
>>2669984>show to third parties aspiring muh multipolar world that Russia cant save themWho's defining multipolarity as Russia saving everyone from the US?
>>2670000>Who's defining multipolarity as Russia saving everyone from the US?People really desperate for a win.
<Bombing Syria, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, and Afghanistan with impunity? Kid's stuff. Seizing ships that you then have to give back? That'll show the world who's boss. >>2669984It really should be Brazil who polices the Americas for multipolar bros against US piracy, not Russia who is other side of the world.
>>2670000nooooo. if russia doesn't militarily confront and defeat the US in the caribbean then multipolarity is lost. Lost i say!
>>2670011Unfortunately, Brazil is in the hands of terminal socdems with an insatiable lust for defeat, on track to lose the presidency to Bolsonaro's son. At least you can count on Russia not getting another western plant while Cucktin is lives.
>>2670062I know brazilians really like anal, but why take your fetish to politics? Why do brazilians like getting assraped so much?
>>2670011>>2670062LatAm has no capability. The leaders who aren't just US bootlickers are all postmodern socdems who thought the days of colonialism were over and it's a UN world of international law. So they have no credible defenses against the empire now that's its revived the colonial order. All they will do is make pikachu face when it's their turn and then surrender like Mexico and Venezuela already have. Cuba is the last stand and there's no solidarity and no capability. It will be up to China and Russia to keep a lifeline. Looks grim down there.
>>2670076I don't think it helps that the US arms and trains their militaries and military leaders.
>>2669855>arming their shipping fleetthat increases costs
>>2669805>I've been trying to find information on how exactly seizing "shadow fleet" ships is a big win for NATO, because it seems like there's not really much to gain from grabbing one or two piecemealit could increase costs. "shadow fleet" means insured in moscow instead of london. its certainly not a big win and is petty and domestic insurance might not even increase costs or get subsidized or even taken over by the state, that would still increase costs in a way. but they could be doing it on the assumption that since 0.1% of ships getting seized would increase their insurance it must apply to russia. also not a win but could be doing it to intimidate receiver countries and shake their confidence in russia since they "cant" stop it, until they do
>>2670000>saving everyonei didnt read it that way
>>2670008oh but you did mean it that way? i mean its true but its not significant. its not like its setting russia back its just maintenance of their subordinate position. and it will only work on fence sitters like india, who in the case of oil it wont work on at all. for others they will see it as russia unable to save them(their own ships) which means they are (still) weak(er) compared to the us. but that will make them help russia because they hate what america is doing and will see them going out of their way to execute low level dudes as a sign of weakness as well, that their status is no longer enough on its own to coerce people to their will
>>2669735Social Warrior Enside The Russia - SWENTR
It was originally SJWENTR with J standing for "Justice", but then Putin banned justice in Russia
>>2669805>So what seems to be happening with these ships is that they get seized, a bunch of charges and accusations get leveled at them, and then several months later the ship and crew get let go because there's no basis for holding them.Yep, because if they don't do a bunch of legal fuckery and just straightforwardly seize it, it's blatant piracy and upends international maritime law in a way that they won't like. For example, it would set the precedent for what the Houthis are doing to be totally legal. Their justification of upholding the law in attacking Houthis for Red Sea piracy would become nonsensical and they would have to just out and say they're doing it to defend Israel, and saying "we're stopping the blockade against a genocidal state" instead of "we're protecting global shipping from piracy" wouldn't be a great look with people back home.
>>2669699The real drooling imbecile here is Cucktin, who knew from the very first month of the war that Starlink was aiding the Ukrainian military, and yet as of today has not ordered a single one of those satellites to be shot down. It's not a question of capability because different media outlets have already reported on Russia having anti-satellite weapons even before this war. This is partly why I have now come to the conclusion that something is not right about this conflict, because Russia is not fighting as if they actually want to win.
>>2670283think they're back to calling it krasnoarmeysk now
speaking of, why did the ukrainians bother renaming severodonetsk to siverskodonetsk 2 years
after they lost control of the city?
Why do cuck warfare apologists think anyone who disagrees with their doctrine is a paid demoralizer o algo?
>>2670420>is a paid demoralizer o algo?Because you are either just that, or you are just happened brained bloodthirsty bastards. What other option is there.
>>2670444>wanting cuckler to end this swiftly instead dragging it for years is being a "bloodthirsty bastard"the longer the war goes on the more people will die you know
>>2670420They don't actually believe that you're a paid demoralizer, but they want you sitting there getting all frustrated and defensive, declaring that you're not. Being able to lash out with unfalsifiable accusations against random anons is some tiny consolation when they're losing the narrative among all their favorite public figures who have a solid history of being anti-NATO but who now realize that Putin is a giga cuck who's making matters worse.
>>2670444Real Spurdo still living rent-free in your head lmao
>>2670448Yeah in the war more Ukrainian soldiers will die and more Ukrainian and western military material will get destroyed, that's the point.
What comes after is either a western led insurgency, but that won't happen on it will be diminished if all the fanatical young men waging it are dead, crippled or lost faith in slava Ukraini. That will save Russian soldiers lives during the occupation, save Ukrainian civilians from potential insurgency where they would be meatshields and russian civilians from terror attacks committed by hohol-isis.
The sad reality is that the meat catchers will shove everything they catch to the front to die, but saving them with some WW2 style big arrow blitzkrieg towards Kiev will cost a lot of lives in the attack on every side and it will cost more lives after the war, compared to if there was no grinding down of AFU and Ukraine.
Second penguin zigger killed. Is the Nazi strategy to make Ukrainian drone pilots die laughing at them?
Are the crocodile onesies coming out soon?
>>2670252Hey, he finally got around to destroying the energy infrastructure that people were saying in 2022 he should destroy. Maybe he'll start crippling Starlink in 2035?
The interesting thing is that there are reports saying Russia helped Iran cripple Starlink in Iran, so that would show that the capability exists.
Remember, Kup'yans'k is trans-occupied! Z!
>>2670463>but saving them with some WW2 style big arrow blitzkrieg towards KievSome of us said in 2022 that turning off the electricity in Kiev would cause a critical political situation of the kind seen now, with hundreds of thousands fleeing Kiev in a month and Zelensky out there begging for an energy truce (he got a 30-day one in March 2025 that he immediately violated, and then Peskov said Russia would be adhering to the truce anyway, and then Russia threw in a six-month free adherence bonus because that's what Christcucktin does lmao).
Of course, Christcucktin is dilly-dallying with the NPP substations after some hint against one of the Rivne substations, probably because he's become enamored of his "elegant" (
>>2666054 ) diplomatic move in giving Trump a free $1 billion for his piss board for literally nothing.
>>2670463>after the warthe west only understands brute force, they have made it clear again and again, so I dont think we will get a "post-war" scenario any other way
>>2670508>if you want Putin to smash Ukraine harder, you're a NATO shillWeird how you NATO shills who weren't even here in 2022 are still pushing this drug.
>>2670420As noted, they are NATO shills. They came here no earlier than mid-2023 to tamp down on all calls for heart-hardening, which is why they're so oblivious about the 2022 heart-hardening meme.
A taxonomy of flag-poster Westoid shilling in /ukr/
(or, dear poster, why your calls for Putin to get tougher on Ukraine and the West get coordinated attacks from a bunch of flaggies, some of them handsome himbos but most of them really ghastly…)
<Champagne Socialist (the smartest of the bunch - you gotta really watch your neck with this guy because he's a brilliant trickster and a solid innovator worthy of some grudging respect):
From a previous post about Champagne Socialist:
>You don't even recognize the reference to the "harden your heart" meme video, tourist. You started posting here in mid-to-late 2023. Before using your champagne flag, you spent a long time trying to make heart-hardening posters wet their pants at the thought of NATO "PANIK." That didn't work too well, so then you switched to accusing them of being NAFO infiltrators, something you've continued since adopting the flag. You've also increased your repertoire by throwing willful misinterpretation into the mix. But nothing you say can change the fact that calls for Putin to harden his heart were a fun meme here from the beginning, you Westoid shill.
<Tankie
The only one who was here in 2022. Got caught being a literal Ukrainian and then tried to take ownership of the discovery by admitting to being a Ukrainian ("my family lives in Lvov, but I live in the West"). Naysays all discussion of what Putin should do until Putin finally does it months/years later, then pretends some other Tankie poster was the one naysaying. Pretty run-of-the-mill Banderite shill, but you can build a solid arsensal of meme pics for other imageboards by stealing his pics.
<Kampuchea, Ushanka, etc. + Sandinista
These guys posting from BRICS states (Russia, Brazil) tried a different strategy, the so-called "pace and lead" strategy of smelly '70s NLP dorks that's weirdly found its way into declassified spook documents. They first spent months "pacing" by calling Putin a cuck and then tried to "lead" away from that into squelching all talk of Putin's ridiculous softness. It didn't work, so in exasperation, they threw in with the folks arguing that wanting Putin to harder = NAFO.
<Las FARC
Some Spanish dude who triggered a NAFO emergency response recently when, possibly drunk after a siesta, he slipped that he believes that the Russian SMO violates UN laws (it doesn't, of course).
<International Brigade
This guy is actually legitimate, not a Westoid shill. He disappeared because all his favorite alt-media guys (Duran Bros / Mercouris, Levan, Helmer, Diesen, etc.) whom he'd quote extensively here have started calling Putin too soft. His mother said he now sits in the basement all day blaring Cliff Richard's song "Some People."
<Spurdo #2
Trying to hijack Spurdo #1's flag to impede Spurdo #1's extreme Posadist posting. Writes as if he knows everything about the general's participants but inconveniently has to pretend to be unaware of Spurdo's prolific presence. Balloon pretty much deflated because it's hard to be a Serious Type (tm) when everyone knows you're posting in an emotional reaction to Spurdo #1 of all people.
<Nuke flag
The second legitimate poster. Hasn't posted in a long time either. An actual Russian patriot (vs. some glowie asset who merely speaks Russian) who gets sensitive about any attacks on the PUTINSTRONK meme. He was easy to avoid by timing your posting around his vodka hours.
>>2670550You are actually retarded.
>>2670564Nerve <
==== hit.
>>2670448>>wanting cuckler to end this swiftly instead dragging it for years is being a "bloodthirsty bastard"Except that isn't what you want and never has been. That's just your excuse every time you get pushed on the moronic shit you post.
>>2670566>what he's saying is inconvenient to me, so I'll just write off as an excuseYikes, touch grass.
>>2670568>>2670565Somewhere there is someone bleeding out in a frozen trench from having their limbs droned off and the real tragedy is that it isn't you.
>>2662799>This thread is the last bastion of Putin defenders.kek, I couldn't stop laughing when they rushed out a split-second 150D-chess defense of Putin giving Don the Con a billion Peace Board bucks for nothing. I obviously don't have the discipline required to leave this general, because I'm morbidly fixated on what clever new copes will drop here while the overwhelming majority of pro-Russian commentators on X, the Tubes, and Telegram are having apoplectic fits.
>>2670571It's likely some Russian vanned from Odessa who can't afford the Banderite bribe. Tragedy indeed.
>>2661778>>Let me remind you some things. When our troops were near Kiev, we received a proposal and even a plea from our Western partners to cease fire and stop hostilities in order for certain things to be done on the Ukrainian side. We did it. There was a moment when we did it. The Ukrainian side did not cease hostilities. Later we were told that the official Ukrainian authorities could not control all their military units, because there were allegedly those that were not subordinate to the central authorities. This is what we were told, no more and no less. This is first.
>>Second, we were asked to move our troops away from Kiev in order to create conditions to finally sign a peace treaty. We did this and faced deception once again: all the agreements reached in Istanbul were thrown in the trash. Such things happened repeatedly.The absolute Christianity of Putin.
>>2670579So what should have been done instead of withdrawing from Kiev
>>2670584Not withdrawing from Kiev.
>>2670579The truth is that Russia had like 50-70k troops top near Kiev, then a city of 3 million. There never was an option of taking the city by force and not even killing or capturing zelensky or razing ravda would have changed that. Putin only could have forced those troops to slowly suicide themselves in the city while trying to take it and only mostly killing civilians in the process.
The plan was always to spook Kiev and Zelensky and force a quick settlement. The initial force size tells as much. That or you have to say that Russians were incompetent at planning the full takeover of Kiev/Ukraine just like western msm has been saying all the time.
The reason Ukraine had to beg Putin to leave Kiev (as opposed to pushing Russia out of Kiev) is that there was no time for Ukraine to coordinate a response. Combined with the significant infrastructure strikes that Putin is finally doing now after four fucking years (to the point that Zelensky is begging for an energy truce after months of gloating about refineries, muh "long-range sanctions," etc.), Kiev would've collapsed politically in a matter of weeks.
You get the sense that the Cucktinists-NAFOoids are really sweating about something, I assume any time there is panik on Banderite social media they make a beeline for this thread to tell us, no really, you can win a conflict via committing Grand Theft Tanker. Or whatever the latest peremoga is.
>>2670593>The plan was always to spook Kiev and Zelensky and force a quick settlement. The initial force size tells as much.Can't have it both ways:
<the plan was to spook Kiev/Zelensky<but, actually, the initial force size was too small to do anything and therefore to spookI think Russia DID have enough troops there, and more could've followed. As for 3 million people, around 600,000 left in a recent month once Putin finally got serious about infrastructure strikes.
Time was of the essence, however, and Putin didn't have the nerve to do what was necessary or didn't want to destroy the bridges with his Western partners. What he's finally been dragged into doing now could've been done from the outset instead of waiting four years.
>>2670601you cucktinists are still salty that the energy attacks are doing what we told you they would, huh?
Every Cucktin poster calling for hardcore energy attacks in 2022 has been vindicated with Zelensky out there begging for an energy truce. All that remains is for Cucktin to take out the NPP substations.
>>2670588Okay, but it's like
>>2670593Says.
>The truth is that Russia had like 50-70k troops top near Kiev, then a city of 3 million. There never was an option of taking the city by force and not even killing or capturing zelensky or razing ravda would have changed that. Putin only could have forced those troops to slowly suicide themselves in the city while trying to take it and only mostly killing civilians in the process.We know that Ukraine had something like 200k in the field, and Russia invaded with less than that. So what good is just sitting outside Kiev going to do, when the rest of the army is clearly overextended? And we know how overextended they were because of the rapid withdrawal we saw across the dniepr and back into D&L.
Like I'm sure the "aw shucks we were tricked" is true to a point but I think that's also severely downplaying just how untenable the situation was.
>>2670597>>2670609You're just imagining how you wish things went instead of reckoning with how they actually were. These infrastructure strikes have been going on for years, and these sustained blackouts are happening now because of that long attrition and the development of drone capabilities.
>>2670597The ultimate problem is that there was no army large enough in place to move in and occupy Ukraine, much less fight for it. Russia had like 100-200k total troops ready to go in in february 2022 tops. That's not even enough to occupy half of Ukraine, much less take it by force and then fight an insurgency (which was the original nato plan with sanctions to topple Russia). The whole Russian army could not be moved to Ukraine to get bogged down, because that would have basically nato an invitation to start shit by moving into Ukraine, kalinigrad, baltics, etc and have an excuse to do it.
Any larger partial occupation than donbass would have been just more of the same, but Russia having even weaker front lines. Does my memory fail me or did Ukraine recapture a part of russian initial gains in late 2022, because Russia didn't have the troops to hold it all effectively? When you take that into account, then how would Russia had taken Kiev, held it and hope that it would have ended the war? This really is some videogame shit, where capturing enemy base ends grants you instant win.
>>2670601>Cucktinists-NAFOoidscuck warfare apologists are NAFO greatest soldiers
What are the chances of Russia re-socializing? /gen
>>2670619Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't say the plan was to spook Zelensky but also say that the numbers were too small for spooking. You also have to consider that Zelensky and the West were begging Russia to withdraw from Kiev. If you really believe that Russia didn't have enough time to destabilize Kiev with that number of troops, plus reinforcements, plus backed by heavy infrastructure strikes causing political collapse, then you're simply prompting the question of why Cuckler sent "only" 50-70k troops.
>These infrastructure strikes have been going on for years, and these sustained blackouts are happening now because of that long attrition and the development of drone capabilities.False. Nonsense. Cuckler waited ten months for infrastructure strikes in 2022, beginning in October with Surovikin's strikes. These strikes were tentative and short-lived. Surovikin soon disappeared. Then we see sparse, meaningless attacks up until March 2025. In March 2025, Russia sent signals that it would be making more meaningful energy attacks, and then Trump coordinated an energy ceasefire that Ukraine violated immediately. What did Cuckler do? He said that Russia would be adhering to the 30-day energy ceasefire anyway despite Ukraine's ongoing violations. The 30 days finished. Then did the energy attacks start in earnest again? No. Cuckler waited eight months. Then the massive de-energization campaign began, the fruits of which we're seeing now.
>>2670633In all practical sense they already are, Russia has been to great extent restoring the planned economy thanks to the SMO.
>>2670640…but will it last and will expand outside of the critical industries.
>>2670508>saddernothing is sadder than making excuses for the weakness of a man that betrayed the USSR and coddles the banderites in kiev, the delusional retard really thinks the west will EVER leave russia alone by acting like a good boy
>>2670636 (me)
https://www.rt.com/russia/615136-peskov-energy-ceasefire-violations/>US ignoring Ukraine’s energy ceasefire violations – Kremlin>Washington is ignoring Kiev’s violations of a US-mediated moratorium on attacks against energy infrastructure in the conflict with Russia, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said.>Last month, US President Donald Trump successfully urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to pause strikes on energy sites. While Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky publicly endorsed the moratorium, the Russian Defense Ministry has reported attacks against Russian infrastructure since the agreement was announced on March 18.https://www.rt.com/russia/615957-ukraine-energy-strike-moratorium-over/>However, Russia has accused Ukraine of repeatedly violating the moratorium, claiming that Kiev’s forces carried out more than 120 strikes on energy targets in several Russian regions.https://www.rt.com/russia/615137-peskov-trump-sanctions-threat/>During a phone call last month, Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed a 30-day moratorium on strikes targeting energy infrastructure. Moscow has insisted that it has complied with the ceasefire, while reporting repeated Ukrainian breaches of the agreement.https://www.rt.com/russia/614849-mod-ukraine-energy-infrastructure/>The Russian Ministry of Defense, however, has reported multiple Ukrainian violations of the agreement, which it described as aimed at undermining Trump’s mediation efforts between Moscow and Kiev. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday that the Kremlin will honor its obligations despite Ukrainian actions, since the agreement represents positive diplomatic engagement with the Trump administration.https://www.rt.com/russia/614918-kiev-cannot-control-military-kremlin/>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill [LOL!] to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it. Christian gesture of goodwill
>>2670652>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill [LOL!] to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it.I don't understand how for some of the "pro-Russia" people in this thread getting mad at Cucktin for being like this constitutes "nafoid" behaviour. Are you retards pro-Russia or just Putin dickriders?
>>2670629My own primary desire and I'm sure that of other "pro-Russian" anons is actually just to see NATO fail, that means I got my satisfaction when NATO threatened Russia to not attempt thwarting their expansion into Ukraine or they'd see to it that Russia is quickly destroyed economically, then immediately was left spluttering for a response when Russia invaded Ukraine anyway and survived their ''doomsday' sanctions.
The thing cucktinists don't understand and their chief flagfag historian doesn't remember, is that I've consistently pointed out that none of the ways NATO has "cucked" Putin actually compares to the reputational damage NATO suffered by making themselves out to be this crazy, scary, infinitely moneyed, fearless, demonjak bulwark against """"Russian Expansion"""""" for decades, only to then fall on sanctions and mumbling about non-lethal aid, when what was supposed to be doomsday for Russia came to pass.
The fact cucktinists have reached the point where they're unironically excited about NATO mobilising militaries for temporary seizures of privately owned tankers in international waters, in stark contrast to the aforementioned doomsday threats NATO tacitly made prior to February 24th 2022, is funny to me and most who have the intellectual will and capacity to throw off their state-mandated russophobic conditioning.
I can't therefore be convinced that Grand Theft Tanker is more embarrassing for Russia than for NATO, in the same way I couldn't be convinced that
>Refusing Ukraine's initial demand for a Iraq-style No-Fly zone, calling that WW3 and offering initially body armour instead>Umm'ing and ahh'ing about every single piece of lethal aid eventually given to Ukraine, usually after enough insults thrown about by the Zelensky government>Re-broadcasting literally anything that comes out of the Ukrainian MoD as the factual truth, except whenever their claim would demand NATO's entry into the conflict, momentarily admitting they're not the honest and reliable sources they needed you to believe>The initial wince about admitting supporting Ukrainian terror ops, but then proudly boasting about it once they're sure NATOpians aren't put off by such acts>The rush to shake hands with every leader in Central Asia and force Sweden and Finland to drop official neutrality just to prove to themselves that NATO expansion can continue>Busting out unironic racism when the DPRK got involved to "neg" their impact on Kursketc, etc is more embarrassing for Russia than it is for NATO
>>2670636>Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't say the plan was to spook Zelensky but also say that the numbers were too small for spooking.Bad reading comprehension anon, the argument is that the force was too small to take the city, not that it was so small it couldn't threaten it.
>then you're simply prompting the question of why Cuckler sent "only" 50-70k troops.Real dunning kruger posting.
>False. Nonsense. Cuckler waited ten months for infrastructure strikes in 2022, beginning in October with Surovikin's strikes. These strikes were tentative and short-lived. Surovikin soon disappeared. Then we see sparse, meaningless attacks up until March 2025. You're just trying to rewrite history. The war on Ukraine's electricity production wasn't unlimited, but it was substantial.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/118499
>“Updated data on the state of thermal power plants in Ukraine. In 2021, Ukraine controlled 13 thermal power plants (formerly GRES) with a total installed capacity of approximately 22.3 GW. During the fighting, 4 thermal power plants with a total installed capacity of approximately 6.7 GW came under the control of the Russian Federation. The damaged Kurakhovskaya TPP in the frontline zone – 1.4 GW - has been completely stopped. A representative of DTEK said that on March 22, 2024, the Burshtyn and Ladyzhinskaya TPPs were completely destroyed – 2.3 and 1.8 GW, respectively, and Centrenergo reported the complete destruction of the Zmievskaya TPP – another 2.2 GW. Thus, Ukraine has lost at least 14.5 GW of the thermal power plants that operated in 2021. At the moment, the extent of damage is unclear to at least two more thermal power plants which have come under attack – Pridneprovskaya and Krivoy Rog. Accordingly, 9 thermal power plants remaining under Ukrainian control, include 4 destroyed, 2 at least damaged, and 3 thermal power plants that are probably unaffected. The total installed capacity of 5 ‘conditionally alive’ is about 7.8 GW, but most likely much less, taking into account strikes at the Pridneprovskaya and Krivoy Rog thermal power plants.”Your weird obsession with cuck-thought is making you stupid.
>>2670664It's inexcusable behavior on Putin's part to give such "gestures of goodwill" to Washington, so they're forced to come up with conspiratard copes about how NAFO is using legitimate grievances toward Putin to run psyops on this super high-volume little neck of the woods. If they actually believe those copes, I have no problem with them - pity at worst. But if it's just their way of trying to dunk on people by lashing out with some conspiracy theory they don't truly believe, that's particularly obnoxious.
>>2670671>reputational damage NATO sufferedI want banderites out of Kiev, you want to own libs on your retarded culture war, we are not the same, you are not pro-Russia.
>>2670692>you are not pro-Russia.Yeah.. did you read the post?
>I want banderites out of KievI want more than that, I want the imperial conglomerate that installed them gone as well
>>2670685You didn't need to take the city to cause political collapse. You're just selectively ignoring facts like how the serious infra attacks of recent months caused an exodus of 600,000 in a single month. Once the NPP substations go, the Kiev regime is finished, which is why it's BEGGING for an energy truce and hoping it can get another that it violates immediately while Cuckler keeps adhering to it as a "gesture of goodwill to Washington."
>You're just trying to rewrite history. The war on Ukraine's electricity production wasn't unlimited, but it was substantial. You're not a serious person. A real energy campaign began only in recent months. Ziggas like Rybar, Amerikanets, and Helmer have analyzed this extensively.
https://johnhelmer.net/the-electric-war-gathers-momentum-explainer/[rest of the post is from Helmer]
He means that Russian military analysts are well aware and are now reporting that since the electric war campaign first began in October 2022, the number of strikes has been limited in duration, firepower, and damage effected, and the momentum of the campaign stopped short.
But not this time, military sources in Moscow believe.
Some of the sources have claimed the General Staff did not have the capacities to fully implement the electric war in the first two years, and that they still need more time and more resources to sustain the momentum to achieve the full countrywide blackout they are aiming at. Click to read the archive of the campaign here. For an all-source timeline, read this.
Other sources believe the military resources, logistics pipeline, targeting intelligence, and weapons accuracy and survivability were not as available to the General Staff in October 2022 when the campaign began, as they have been since October of this year — and this is the reason momentum has been suspended in each of the earlier years.
One source says that President Vladimir Putin imposed restrictions on the extent and duration of the campaign but gradually he has been persuaded to relax them; although even now, the source points out, the Defense Ministry’s daily bulletin continues reporting the electric war strikes, not as war strategy but as tit-for-tat operations responding to Ukrainian “terrorism” – that is, Ukraine drone and missile attacks on civilian infrastructure in the Russian hinterland.
A source in a position to know says the restrictions on the electric war have been political, not military, and for the time being Putin appears to have lifted them.
“I have a tough time believing that the General Staff did not have the intelligence, let alone the weapons accuracy and survivability necessary to prosecute the electric war from the start,” the source comments. “First, as the vast majority of the Ukrainian electrical grid, especially the 750kV backbone, was, and still is, more than fifty years old, Soviet-era equipment. Information on the Ukrainian electrical generation, transmission, and distribution network was, and still is, widely available in open source. There is no way that the electrical or civil engineers employed by the General Staff could not know what to target and what firepower was necessary. In terms of weapons, the Russian forces had then, as they do now, stocks of cruise, ballistic, and other air-dropped weapons, not to mention sabotage capabilities, to destroy the critical Ukrainian electrical nodes. There are approximately 35 major Ukrainian substations — so again, the available information for targeting is open source. Looking at the data provided in these sources, the General Staff have had more than enough ordnance to take them all out. They didn’t. Moving forward from this line of thinking, I am curious to know why Ukrainian electrical laydowns [storage areas] and service vehicles have not been targeted. Are we to assume these could not be seen? This defies rudimentary understanding of enemy logistic and repair capabilities. Quite obviously, the delay to date in achieving the complete collapse of the Ukrainian grid was and is the product of political decision-making, not any lack of capability on the Russian military’s part.”
>>2670695>I want the imperial conglomerate that installed them gone as wellWhy do you defend Cuckler when he makes "gestures of goodwill" and turns the other cheek to them constantly then?
>>2670671If Putin is so dominant, why is he bribing Blumpf with a billion dollars to join the Blumpf-Netanyahu piss board? Especially after all that piracy you're up in arms about.
>>2670701Can you not respect the sheer Christianity of "The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it"? Putin the Meek is seeking the heavenly kingdom, not a kingdom in this vale of tears.
>>2670697 (me)
Note that Helmer is writing a month before March 2025, when Trump proposed the 30-day energy ceasefire that Putin adhered to for 30 days + 8 months as a "gesture of goodwill to Washington." That campaign then started again, finally, in recent months.
>>2670671And make no mistake, cucktinists are NAFOids, because every red line NATO crossed by proxy, without fail, has been presented as "cucking" via the slippery slope fallacy that never materialises
>Russia said NATO MBTs are a red line, but they're going to send 12 downgraded tanks! CUCKED! And you know where that cuckening is going to lead?>They'll send the not-downgraded tanks>Then they'll send them in greater numbers until there's a constant flow of NATO MBTs into Ukraine>Then they'll send NATO "advisors" to Ukraine to train the tankers>Then! then! then! the "advisors" will get in their own tanks and invade Russia and the cuck will never know what hit him!obviously none of that ended up happening and it never does for any crossings of red lines, because they're PR stunts and always were and they've basically run out of them now, if cucktinists weren't NAFOids they'd accept NATO has failed to deter Russia, but instead for some reason they've internalised the PR stunts as more important than NATO living up to its own legacy anyway, so making Putin look like a "cuck" is no longer the means to some boiled frog where NATO is invading Russia openly, it's just an end in of itself.
>>2670720Yes, we know you Cucktinists are NAFOids. Only NAFOids object to going harder on Ukraine and on refusing to give "gestures of goodwill to Washington."
>>2670725NATO wanted to isolate Russia and make them a pariah whom no one will trade with, engage in diplomacy with, include in grand globalist orgs, etc and they've failed at that also.
You have to be a retard to see the gesturing at diplomacy with Washington being reciprocated and offering up their stolen funds for Palestine's "peace board" as based for the West.
ChampSoc believes in more NATO red lines than I do, which is why he spent months bedwetting and saying Russia can't cross them because NATO would PANIK. :-P
He wants to have it both ways: NATO is utterly defeated and humiliated… but but also, you can't respond proportionately to NATO firing missiles at your homeland because NATO is super terrifying and you can't make it PANIK.
>>2670739Like I just said in my post, Russia crossed the only red line that mattered in thwarting NATO expansion into Ukraine, everything NATO has done since has paled in comparison and predictably failed to deter Russia.
>>2670735You have to be a retard to think that giving Trump a billion dollars for his phony peace board is coming from a position of strength.
>>2670746The EU tried and failed to take their frozen funds to buy more weapons from themselves, offering the US to instead not even bother trying with that and just give it to what Trump claims would be peace for Palestine instead with Russia's blessing is very trollish, you'd have to be an angry retard to frame every facetious remark that comes out of the Kremlin as completely earnest.
Also
>They're utterly humilitated and defeated! There's no way they'd use the nukes now if we start threatening their leadership/security every further!
is such redonkulously dumb attempt at finding a contradiction
>>2670759>it's just cheeky rhetoric, bro, he's not really giving Blumpf a billion bucksOkay, if you're right, it's a nothingburger, but I hope you don't mind if I screencap your post to get your feedback if it turns out to manifest. Because I'm getting real "The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it" vibes here LMAO
>>2670772Might as well, I've put your post in my cringe folder just for the "bro" part
>>2670768This is kinda weird because you once proposed hitting a NATO site in Poland as a fair retaliation for the UK/US missile attacks on Russian soil that killed civilians, and I was the one who cucked out and said that starting with some Black Sea unmanned drones would be appropriate. Yet now that I think your idea is sound (and the idea of hitting Brit assets in Cyprus is sound, proposed by others), I bet you'll close your bussy on me.
>>2670610When it started working, cucktinposters said it's too little too late and then immediately pivoted onto some other imagined Russian humiliation.
If Russia drops an oreshnik on Zelensky tomorrow, instead of celebrating cucktin posters will complain that it didn't hit Brussels instead or something.
Russia can fundamentally never do enough because the point is to endlessly kvetch, derail and demoralize, not to fairly discuss and analyze the conflict
>>2670697>You didn't need to take the city to cause political collapse. You're just selectively ignoring facts like how the serious infra attacks of recent months caused an exodus of 600,000 in a single month. Except that hasn't caused a political collapse, but even if it did, what good would causing a "political collapse" in Kiev do when the decision to continue the war was made in London and was being waged from a US military base in Germany?
>You're not a serious person. A real energy campaign began only in recent months. Ziggas like Rybar, Amerikanets, and Helmer have analyzed this extensively.My previous example was cited in a Helmer post from April 2024.
https://johnhelmer.net/how-the-electric-war-is-redrawing-the-ukraine-map-in-black/
>The electric war, which in its first phase commenced in September 2022, has now entered its second and final phase – final, that is, for the Ukraine.This isn't even to say that there's no criticisms to make about the conduct of the electrical war, but just pretending like it hasn't been happening at all until last year is simply wrong.
>>2670776low energy reply, sweeping so much its taking a toll on you
>>2670792Nah, just that it could've been done in 2022. Not that it's insignificant now. Hence why Zel is begging for another energy truce.
If Russia killed Zelensky tomorrow, the the Cucktin apologists who've shit on the idea with all kinds of moralizing will suddenly decide that it's ackshually a good thing, and the idea will never be shit on again.
>>2670783Well dig out your archive and we can revisit the discussion, because I'm sure there's some context you're missing.
>>2670799>This isn't even to say that there's no criticisms to make about the conduct of the electrical war, but just pretending like it hasn't been happening at all until last year is simply wrong.ME: "False. Nonsense. Cuckler waited ten months for infrastructure strikes in 2022, beginning in October with Surovikin's strikes. These strikes were tentative and short-lived. Surovikin soon disappeared. Then we see sparse, meaningless attacks up until March 2025. In March 2025, Russia sent signals that it would be making more meaningful energy attacks, and then Trump coordinated an energy ceasefire that Ukraine violated immediately. What did Cuckler do? He said that Russia would be adhering to the 30-day energy ceasefire anyway despite Ukraine's ongoing violations. The 30 days finished. Then did the energy attacks start in earnest again? No. Cuckler waited eight months. Then the massive de-energization campaign began, the fruits of which we're seeing now."
The bad reading comprehension is yours, and every serious analyst out there is reporting that the energy campaign of recent months is leagues different from the weak shit that's occurred previously. The energy campaign of recent months is a restart of the campaign from March 2025 that ended because Cuckler agreed to a 30-day + 8-month energy ceasefire and then kept adhering to it: "The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it." That quote is kryptonite for the Cuckler apologists. :D
>>2670800I'm honored to be in his bro folder, tho. Hope he adds me to his tho folder.
>>2670792>If Russia drops an oreshnik on Zelensky tomorrow, instead of celebrating cucktin posters will complain that it didn't hit Brussels instead or something.Well, would they be wrong to do so? Ideally it should be a city that starts with W.
>>2670803I still doubt the veracity of energy infrastructure attacks as what will win this conflict. cucktinists have always framed the conflict as easy, where a nook on lvovo or killing Zelensky MUST make Ukraine surrender, like there's a rule written that determines when the desperate leadership of a losing nation must surrender.
>Oh, you killed that actor we had as our leader, that's checkmate I believeAttacking energy infrastructure is just the continued process of tit-for-tat, nothing more.
>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it.
Western asset (with the bare minimum of plausible deniability) confirmed.
Probably Prigozhin caught wind of the fact that Putin didn't want any speedy advances or big-arrow successes in Ukraine and wanted to spin wheels in Donbass. So the Western spooks did to his helicopter whatever they did to the Iranian president's helicopter.
>>2670640>Russia has been to great extent restoring the planned economy thanks to the SMO.Source?
>>2670834>I still doubt the veracity of energy infrastructure attacks as what will win this conflict.600,000 have fled Kiev in one month, and Zelensky is nervously offering to stop his refinery and tanker PR spectacles because he knows if those NPP substations are popped, it's all over for his government.
>>2670835There's something harmonic about Westerners and Ukrainians knowing absolutely nothing about each other in their unbreakable friendship
>>2670792at least with evan reif, iron felix, we got him to accept a challenge, in which he accepted to jerk off and cum for the glory of Putin's face.
these aren't capable of taking a challange.
>>2670845>600,000 have fled Kiev in one monthOkay but clearly that's not in the rulebook that Ukraine now has to surrender, because they haven't yet, they've done the desperate leadership thing and said fuck them and continued looking out for No. 1
Uhhhh… has he done it again?!?!??!
https://www.rt.com/news/631732-trump-putin-strikes-ukraine/29 Jan, 2026
>Putin agreed to halt strikes during extreme cold in Ukraine — Trump
>US President Donald Trump has claimed that Russia will not attack targets in Kiev and other Ukrainian cities “for a week.” Trump said that the decision came after he “personally asked” Russian President Vladimir Putin to suspend the strikes.
>“Because of the extreme cold…I personally asked President Putin not to fire on Kiev and the cities and towns for a week,” Trump told reporters at a cabinet meeting on Thursday. Putin “agreed to do that,” Trump continued, adding that “we’re very happy” with the decision.
>Earlier on Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov refused to comment on rumors that Moscow and Kiev had reached a co-called ‘energy ceasefire’. The Ukrainian Air Force denied reports of such a truce.>>2670852God forbid the Banderites suffer a morsel of what they subjected the Donbass to for 12 years.
>>2670851They also put in a reminder in the article lmao:
>Russia agreed to an energy ceasefire last March, following talks with Trump’s administration. However, Ukrainian forces broke the ceasefire within days, launching attacks on Russian oil refineries and gas infrastructure. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Moscow chose not to retaliate in kind, preferring to honor the ceasefire. Peskov refusing to comment when he could quite simply deny it = it happened.
Ukro air force not aware = it's another unilateral ceasefire that Ukraine doesn't have to follow.
>>2670855>I apologize to them.Sounds cucked tbh.
>>2670855Apologize to Khrushchev, who subjected the Crimea to Ukrainian dominion?
>>2670864This, Trump is either brazenly lying or the Kremlin is again being idiotic in an indefensible way.
It's sort of like the Lukashenko situation, just assuming it's in return for nothing.
>>2670870Yes, it's certain that the trustworthy Trump, who ignored Ukraine's violations of the last ceasefire, has delivered something big in return, maybe a new surfboard for Dmitriev.
EU state’s FM tells Zelensky ‘not to give ultimatums’>Ukraine cannot demand to be admitted to the bloc by a certain date, Luxembourg’s Xavier Bettel has said<“I’m sorry, I told him…several times ‘don’t give ultimatums. It’s not in your interest’,” Bettel told journalists in Brussels.https://swentr.site/news/631730-bettel-eu-zelensky-no-ultimatums/I'm getting flashbacks to when Zelensky signed some document he must have written up himself on camera that was supposed to fast track membership in NATO so they can fight the war for him, I can't believe the cucks are still funding him lmao
>>2670854>God forbid the Banderites suffer a morsel of what they subjected the Donbass to for 12 years.Dudeeeee, that's NAFO speak.
Telegram is a riot rn lmfao
>>2670876Westoids (as you can probably tell by this thread) are obsessed with not being humiliated, to be cucked rhetorically is the worst thing imaginable, if anyone reveals
>A. what Trump offers>B. that he holds up his end of the bargainthen that's a surefire way of ensuring you'll not get any further concessions and deals of them
If Russia were strong, giving Trump a billion bucks for his piss board and giving him an energy ceasefire to win his favor wouldn't be necessary.
>>2670890We've been through this. If Trump delivered during the last energy ceasefire, we wouldn't have seen articles like
https://www.rt.com/russia/615136-peskov-energy-ceasefire-violations/
>US ignoring Ukraine’s energy ceasefire violations – Kremlin>Washington is ignoring Kiev’s violations of a US-mediated moratorium on attacks against energy infrastructure in the conflict with Russia, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said.>Last month, US President Donald Trump successfully urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to pause strikes on energy sites. While Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky publicly endorsed the moratorium, the Russian Defense Ministry has reported attacks against Russian infrastructure since the agreement was announced on March 18. >Cucktin got something, but you can't see it. It's there, though.
The absolute state of Cucktin apologetics lelelele
>>2670893Okay but I doubt the deal from the US is that
Ukraine will uphold the ceasefire, they can't enforce that and won't look weak by trying and failing to
>>2670896you know what else you can't see? Tomahawks in Ukraine
>>2670877>Ukraine cannot demand to be admitted to the bloc by a certain datehahahaha laaaawl.
not even the givas EU membership after depleting their manpower.
>>2670903>not even the givas EU membershipDidn't they just get a another 90 billion from EU? It was a "loan", but I guess we all know what loans really mean when given to a already debt loaded, destroyed, bankrupt country.
>>2670899It shows that the deal last time was that Ukraine would uphold the ceasefire. Ukraine didn't, and Trump didn't care. So what makes Trump trustworthy? If they really got an invisible benefit this time, then I hope they got a "down payment" from Trump so they don't have to go whine about being fooled… Yet. Again.
Using my sources, I've been able to find out what Trump offered Putin in return.
Trump has created a new cryptocurrency called BrooklynBridge and has invited Putin to get in on the ground floor before it explodes.
Would Putin fall for a 411 scam? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>>2670910Conjecture, you can't make a deal where an uninvolved third-party is one honouring it, while Trump ignoring Ukraine breaking the ceasefire is obviously going to happen because the entire west ignores everything unsavoury that Ukraine does, that's not something unique to Trump and it's because the west is basically powerless to ensure some Azovite with an artillery gun won't contradict them anyway.
But at the end of the day, that's what cucktinists are reduced to, just endlessly mincing over their own uncharitable interpretations of statements made by a fairly generic government.
>>2670910>Trump/Americans can't be trustedThe fact is that unless Russia wants to fight to the Atlantic to secure it's western border long term, then deal about European security architecture is a must. The Europeans can't agree shit because there is no power to enforce, or sovereignty here, plus they can't come into an agreement about anything substantive even amongst themselves. They have to talk to the ringmaster of the circus, not to the animals. It just can't be a deal that relies on US or Europeans keeping their word or have goodwill towards Russia, because that for most certainly has never been there. A deal must give Russia a position to twist their hand if US or Europeans step out of line, even against the interest of European interests, but a deal there must be.
They can't just say Trump to go fuck himself and cut him off over something that doesn't ultimately matter, like Kiev babushkas freezing or not freezing this week or the next or a month from now. If Russia wants nato off it's ass it will have to hammer out a deal with the US. Or will anybody expect that negotiating with the balts or poles over american bases is a path to a deal? Russia might as well send the tanks and drones.
>>2670930>ConjectureIt's a pretty straightforward inference that if the Kremlin is whining to Trump about Ukraine breaking the energy ceasefire, then Trump offered the energy ceasefire as a bilateral ceasefire and not a unilateral one.
>>2670947You're coping hard right now. Do you know what "conjecture" means? This is not a conjecture:
>It shows that the deal last time was that Ukraine would uphold the ceasefire. Ukraine didn't, and Trump didn't care. >>2670792funny thing is that you cant even cope that some proles are freezing since cucktin just delivered another truce
>>2670834>cucktinists have always framed the conflict as easyIt's always shit like "Putin could win right now, if only he chose to."
>>2670951The point is that Russia has opened a new front in a direction that was pretty much untouched in 4 years, retard
>>2670959As opposed to pretending that Putin couldn't do in 2022 to the power grid what he's doing now…
Stay mad.
>>2670960So make me a prognosis. Will they manage to advance even like 10 kilometers in or they will get bogged down there?
>>2670958Did almighty ukrainians manage to magically repair their infrastructure in less than 24 hours or something? All I am seeing is that they still have liquid shit pouring out of their windows while generators are exploding from overuse without any Russian help
>>2670845>600,000 have fled Kiev in one month18-20 million left all of Ukraine in the first year of the war, so what makes this golden 600,000 so essential?
>and Zelensky is nervously offering to stop his refinery and tanker PR spectacles because he knows if those NPP substations are popped, it's all over for his government.The same NPP his government has tried to destroy in the past? Those NPPs?
>>2670963What's there to be mad about? I'm not the one so topped by events that I'm turning myself into knots because daddy Putin isn't fighting the war how I think he should.
>>2670971>The same NPP his government has tried to destroy in the past? Those NPPs?Ukros shelled Zap NPP.
>>2670975But you are tying yourself into knots by making fun of "Putin could win right now, if only he chose to," when it's clear that Putin
could have chosen to do in 2022 what he's doing now. So, yes, it is about choice to a large degree.
>>2670981>Putin could have chosen to do in 2022 what he's doing nowhe could not
>>2670956>just endlessly mincing over their own uncharitable interpretations of statements made by a fairly generic government.The problem with this conjecture based on what Russia says and what the US doesn't say, is that it always fits the same mold, very keen to propagate the
>Russia said they tried to do the right thing and Ukraine exploited itpart, while conveniently leaving out the context that explains
>that's why Russia says they're not negotiating a ceasefire and the death and destruction in Ukraine is their own desireAnd this has been going on for years with you lot, any day now Russia is going to sign a unilateral ceasefire where they leave two oblasts and agree to be sitting ducks in the other two for Ukraine to shell them for decades until Russians go extinct
beCaUsE RuSSia iS EasIlY TrICked! THeY SaID sO thEmSelVes! >>2670984he could have killed more Ukrainian civilians… Could not have won the war though.
>>2670986>Just ignore Russia saying that Trump promised a bilateral energy ceasefire that Ukraine would follow. Just ignore the Russian complaints to Trump that Ukraine wasn't following the ceasefire. Once you've ignored that, it's complete conjecture that Trump's offer was a bilateral energy ceasefire! .I swear sometimes you overcorrect in response to the cuck posting and go into la-la land. Have a good night/day.
>>2670735>NATO wanted to isolate Russia and make them a pariah whom no one will trade with, engage in diplomacy with, include in grand globalist orgs, etc and they've failed at that also. There's also this. Russia has resisted sanctions in large part thanks to its major trading partners ignoring the sanctions. That's a pretty big deal, and imo that factor gets intentionally overlooked alot. Every deficiency is blamed on some personal failing of Putin's, and never looked at through the lens of the fact that BRICS isn't a military alliance, its support is conditional, and they've repeatedly stated that their goal is accommodation with the west and not confronting or replacing it.
>>2670986>"The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it."he he he
>>2671004>>2670995The article also mentions
>Trump threatened stricter sanctions on Russia if progress cannot be made in peace negotiations and if he considers Moscow to be at fault.so apparently the deal was agreeing to a ceasefire was part of a deal concerning US sanctions
Like why even bother trying to argue with me? No one ever succeeds.
so apparently agreeing to a ceasefire was part of a deal concerning US sanctions*
>>2671014he he, you're all over the map. what are you even arguing at this point? that what russia got in return was no sanctions that we know to be completely ineffective anyway?
https://www.rt.com/russia/614918-kiev-cannot-control-military-kremlin/>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill [LOL!] to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it. yikes
>>2671028That the conjecture was that the ceasefire was the entire deal, not just Russia's half of the deal. The article this conjecture based on disagrees with that conjecture with
>Trump threatened stricter sanctions on Russia if progress cannot be made in peace negotiations and if he considers Moscow to be at fault.particularly nice is the
>if he considers Moscow to be at fault.Ukraine obviously breaches the ceasefire and now based on the deal Moscow cannot be at fault, it's a deal Russia couldn't lose with, which likely explains
>even if Kiev fails to honor it. Just give it up lad, my intellect is too big, you can't even see it. It's like the Earth, you can't see the curves because of the scale, you're a flat-earther, a ChampSoc denier.
>>2671042>Last Sunday, Trump expressed his frustration with Putin during a phone call with NBC News, criticizing the Russian leader’s recent comments in which he questioned Zelensky’s legitimacy. Trump threatened stricter sanctions on Russia if progress cannot be made in peace negotiations and if he considers Moscow to be at fault.this article is from april 2. the energy ceasefire deal was made march 18. there's no proof that you're justified in back-fitting trump's chimpouts about sanctions into the march 18 deal that was presented as an energy moratorium. if anything, that's what we can call a conjecture.
it's also an odd piece of cope because the sanctions are completely ineffective, so why you're presenting sanction restraint as a benefit for russia is bizarre.
https://www.rt.com/russia/614918-kiev-cannot-control-military-kremlin/>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill [LOL!] to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it. I mean, what's the argument here? that the kremlin didn't behave like a cuck because, even though ukraine broke the ceasefire agreement, at least trump didn't drop some completely ineffective sanctions?
he he he, you crazy boy
>>2671067It's over, that the ceasefire was the entire deal
was conjecture.
>>2671074you haven't established otherwise.
you're just assuming that trump's chimpout about sanctions had anything to do with the energy ceasefire agreement. it's a desperate way of explaining how cucked
https://www.rt.com/russia/614918-kiev-cannot-control-military-kremlin/>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill [LOL!] to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it. undeniably is, by saying "hey, russia DID get something: no completely ineffective sanctions!"
wew
>>2670958>>2670958>you cant even cope that some proles are freezing since cucktin just delivered another truce>implying the damage done can be reverted in 30 days.insane cuckpe.
>>2671097Not enough damage. Kiev has 40% electricity availability. Russia needs to hit the NPP substations. It did one of the Rivne ones, and then suddenly everything halted. Now we know why.
If Agent Z were prez of Russia, those NPP subs would be obliterated by now.
And that's why I have Agent Z pics in my gooning collection and not Putin pics.
Agent Z has no time for Christcuck sentimentality.
Agent Z uses all the tools his begging efforts give him.
ANALYSIS: Casualty Figures Reveal Game-Changing Impact of Drones on Ukrainian Battlefield
>An article in the independent Russian news site Inside Stories, published on Tuesday, shows the reality of that assertion. It says that as much as 75% of Moscow’s battlefield casualties, along with considerable destruction of its heavy weapons systems, have been caused by Ukrainian attack drones.
>It cites statistics published in the March issue of the Russian Ministry of Defense’s Military Medical Journal. The document is based on interviews with more than 6,000 wounded servicemen. In addition, it found that around 20% were injured by artillery strikes, with only 4% injured by small arms fire.https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/49712So can we extrapolate that we actually have close to 75% of all killed/wounded russians on tape, since there is potentially always video available on drone kills and Ukrainians and nafoites love gore and love to post and brag about it.
So we get:
Total_dead_n__wounded_russians_in_smo = (total_ukr_drone_gore - ukr_ai_slop_n_fakes - videos_they_don't_post) * 4/3
We should get numbers of fallen and wounded russians at least in the same ballpark?
>>2671087The dates you've raised are all very close, it's grasping at straws to suggest that quote from Trump is not representative of the US side in weeks or perhaps even months of negotiations with Russia.
>>2671145it could be two days apart. it doesn't mean anything. you're just assuming trump offered them "energy ceasefire from ukraine + no useless sanctions" as opposed to just "energy ceasefire from ukraine." no useless sanctions is not enough to remove the abject cuckoldry of
https://www.rt.com/russia/614918-kiev-cannot-control-military-kremlin/>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill [LOL!] to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it. I'm so bored with your dumb sanctions argument that…… as a gesture of goodwill he he…… I'd like to make it stronger by proposing that instead of getting no toothless sanctions, russia got something like goodwill domestically or among the global south or some such…… this is why I miss intbrig… he would've gone for that instead of your lame pumping up of toothless sanctions
>>2671150The fact you're continually trying to refocus this on how mid you think the actual deal was demonstrates you know how little water your coping about dates holds.
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