>>2686485lumpen vs prole moment 🥲
>>2686482>if we add up economic activity (22%), unemployment (6%) and the number of under 16s in the UK (18%) then we get around (45%) or 1 in 2. so half of the total UK population doesnt work (~35 million).They publish this thing called the labor force participation rate you know.
https://genderdata.worldbank.org/en/economies/united-kingdom>In the United Kingdom, the labor force participation rate among females is 57.3% and among males is 66.3% for 2024 cleveland, UK, is the most violent area of the country:
<One in 20 crimes in Cleveland is categorised as a serious violence offence.https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/curv/about-curv/violence-in-cleveland/all due to the usual suspects? 🧐
<In 2021, 97.7% of people in Redcar and Cleveland identified their ethnic group within the "White" category (compared with 98.5% in 2011), while 0.9% identified their ethnic group within the "Mixed or Multiple" category (compared with 0.6% the previous decade).https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E06000003/>>2686520>Birminghammersbrummies*
>>2686519You have to try the Cleveland Steamer tho.
Scottish Labour leader (an opportunist right wing bastard, it must be said) calling for Starmer to resign.
Possibly as part of a plan to make them look independent of UK Labour (because they're actually a craven little branch office)
Possibly the only person I'd like to see quit more than Starmer. For the last month or so he's been going on about transgender prisoners and then he let slip he thinks there are only 3 in the entire country. The anti-trans politics are par for the course but saying in public you're that mad about 3 people - it's actually 19, but saying 3 is worse - makes you look like a total bastard who'd want to bring the entire state down on, again, 3 specific but non-noteworthy people.
>>2686552looking at other stats, only 0.44% of scotland identifies as trans (with 50% identifying as non-binary and 10% identifying with either being a trans man or woman), making the total number of trans women in scotland less than 0.1% (or 1 in 1,000), the same as in the UK generally. extrapolating, the number of trans prisoners is 0.000004% of the scottish population. total number of trans prisoners in england and wales is about the same by proportion (0.000005%).
it does seem interesting then how the radical marginality of this population gets so much attention. we can see here in vidrel (7:30 - 10:30) a trans woman being stalked and harassed by tommy robinson with open celebration in the comments. but as you say, despite being 0.1% of the population, they comprise a much larger share of political discourse.
transgender people are also receiving around 32% less median income than cisgender counterparts:
<Now it's been revealed that even if transgender people have similar or higher education levels, cisgender people take home 32% higher wageshttps://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/17/transgender-pay-gap-revealed-cisgender-people-paid-32-more/they also have greater mental health issues:
<A survey found that 48% of trans people under 26 said they had attempted suicidehttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/19/young-transgender-suicide-attempts-surveyso it seems that picking on trans people is nothing more than bullying a defenceless victim. in contemporary sociology, this can be part of "vice signalling".
>>2686485What a dopey old git
>>2686519It's that old chestnut of reported crime vs actual crime
>>2686578I sometimes wonder if they're a girardian scapegoat for some intra-elite conflict, but most people into Girard are weird thiel funded rightoids and write about how TERFs are actually the scapegoat and transgender people the aggressor.
total number of trans people in england and wales:
<262,000 (0.5%) (1 in 500)total number of trans prisoners in england and wales:
<300 (0.005% total prison population)so trans people are actually under-represented in criminal activity by a factor of 1,000% making them an extremely peaceful population by relative comparison. there have also been around 4,000 transgender hate crimes in 2024/25, targeting around 2% of the total UK transgender population, making them disproportionately victims of crime (in comparison to the perpetration of crime).
thus, targeting trans people for discrimination is not only irrational, but is deeply unfair to their current conditions.
>>2686602idk. some chuds just get "obsessed" with these people theyve never met and spin fantastic webs of deceit around them. its bullying at the most basic level, but i cant help but feel that theres also a tinge of sexual sadism to the whole affair, like how trans women experience violence more often than cis women:
<Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault…https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/>>2686595so are whites also the biggest snitches in the yookay, as well?
>>2686618I would say curtain twitching is sadly an British pastime, but it works both ways. Honour killings are a feedback mechanism to stop reports being made for example
The UK is the only nation where hating trans people is a legally protected characteristic.
I used to live in reading and I once saw a guy being lashed with a belt buckle in the middle of the road. I think he was a shoplifter, but I highly doubt the police were called
Anyone heard anything from Greta Thunberg lately? Bit odd that she slid off the radar.
Also remember Greenland?
I feel like I am living in the fucking twilight zone sometimes
Landlords should be shot and I'm tired of pretending this is controversial.
>>2686626It really is one of the most credibility-busting things our legal system has found, and that's really saying something.
The EA2010 secretly legislated to protect the prejudiced and to repeal the GRA2004, somehow operating without anyone noticing until the 2020s.
I half seriously think we should abolish the supreme court and bring back the law lords. If you're going to legislate from the bench, you should be part of the legislature. Why is Your Party supporting Scottish Independence when it will lead to separate nation states, surely a negative for working towards a union of socialist states?
I can understand being in support of Scottish people having the opportunity to vote in favour of independence, but to actually support the independence itself from a left-wing perspective seems odd to me.
>>2686741The left in scotland (and wales) unfortunately remains commited to nationalism, deluding themselves that it can serve as some sort of shortcut to socialism if they only don't have to deal with horrible right-wing england 'dragging them down'.
In reality its just petty national chauvinism in their part and lazy unmarxist thinking. The moment independece in achieved their allies in the liberal nationalist bourgeoisie will ditch them and their newfound statelet will be left at the total whim of global capital.
Marxists in Your Party will have to continue to argue for the right to self-determination, meaning the right to unite as much as to be independent, and make the case for a stronger united working class not just in Britain but across all nations of the world.
>>26867411. Generally speaking all progressive forces in Scotland back independence while reactionary forces back union. As a matter of actually recruiting anyone, it theoretically offers the broadest support base (a neutral position would simply be irrelevant), although it does mean they're competing with the Scottish Greens.
2. If you were to plot it out, it's more plausible for the UK to break up under capitalism and then reunify under socialism than for the UK as a whole to go socialist without a breakup. In particular the existence of the UK prevents each country (
especially England) recognising it's own position and internal class antagonisms. Until England can be made to separate itself from identification with British imperialism, nothing good will be done. Scotland and Wales are little side shows, but they're also the emperor's old clothes…
(This is intuitive as regards the British empire: should socialists have supported its continuation on the basis that the whole lump should've gone red? Well, a similar case applies here. One could also say the same for the EU, though it's much more impotent.)
Britain is a failed post-WW2 nation building project and capitalism neither has the wherewithal nor the incentives to do it correctly. For more, see David Edgerton.
>>2686873You paint with too broad a brush: competent bourgeois rule trumps incompetent but secure bourgeois rule.
>>2686876I reject the notion that the role of communists is to organise for competent bourgeois rule.
>>2686884And by implication, in practice, make yourself look like an idiot by advocating incompetent (but continued) bourgeois rule.
>>2686890The possibility of organising for proletarian rule not even crossing your mind reveals your ultimately liberal politics.
>>2686899Possibility is one thing, viability another. You are, after all, here critiquing everyone else instead of organising. If you can bring proletarian rule before Scots can bring their independence, more power to you.
>[28/03/2025, 11:48:44] Peter M: The government doesn’t have an economic philosophy which is then followed through in a programme of policies.
>[28/03/2025, 11:49:15] Wes Streeting: No growth strategy at all
Is it still fair to call Labour neoliberal freaks if they self admitted don't have any coherent economic policies or philosophy whatsoever?
>>2687003I really am coming over on neoliberalism. Not in the sense that I've learned to love it, but in the sense that - like Keynesian social democracy before it - what comes next will be much worse.
>Corbyn got more flack for defending Ken Livingstone's comments on the 'The Haavara Agreement' than Keir got for appointing a known paedophile spy as ambassador to the US
If Corbyn got called an antisemite at least call Keir a nonce. Its only fair that the ECHR should investigate paedophilia in the Labour Party.
Non-anglo here,
From a capitalist world-system perspective,
why does New Zealand and Australia have consistently mutually conflicting geopolitical stances for the last couple of years? It's something I recently started to notice. They're barely different politico-economically so it's quite confusing to me as I'm not that informed on the Ocenanian region's placement in imperialism.
NZ seems all-in on China's belt and road, AU is a US bootlicker even militarily
NZ v AU almost always falls on different UN votes
NZ seem to have a very subdued diplomatic presence while AU appears along the hawkish "good boy" of US type (Israel, Netherlands, etc.)
>>2687260NZ has several weird conditions
- too small to be an imperial power outside a handful of tiny pacific vassals (for example, it did once bully Tonga for buying Chinese airplanes rather than continuing to contract a NZ airline. On the other hand, the Chinese airplane in question really was a poor fit for Tongan needs although iirc the Chinese did want to also build better airports.)
- basically invulnerable thanks to geography. Australia is all but unconquerable and to get to NZ you have to go through Australia, or thousands of miles of ocean. Even Australia is >900 miles away at its closest point.
- their main right-wing parties have a large number of ethnic chinese members and supporters. there was a comical point a few years ago where it kept coming out that National MPs were literal Chinese spies. they all host Chinese language websites too. NZ first is a partial exception, but NZ has the weird dynamic where Labour are more anti-immigration than national. (though, crucially, not in a cringe right-wing way like UK labour.)
- taking independent foreign policy stances is part of their national identity for various reasons that mostly amount to getting really invested in anti-nuclear politics during the 70s-80s and standing up to the US on that basis. they got kicked out of ANZUS temporarily for banning nuclear armed ships from NZ waters. (US policy was to neither confirm nor deny nuclear status, so it de-facto banned US ships)
That said, iirc NZ were slower to recognize Palestine than Australia or even Britain. What that was about, idk. Thinking about it, it's also economically odd given Australia's mineral exports to China are surely a larger share of Australian trade than NZ's agricultural exports to China are of NZ trade. Maybe it's one of those funny dynamics where, despite hostility, Aus and China are both so dependent on trade that they leave that alone while getting mad at one another over everything else. (NZ and the USSR did this, comically, in the 1970s because Robert Muldoon was a rabid anticommunist but NZ needed foreign trade and the USSR needed New Zealand mutton…)
>>2687264Disappointed at the lack of puns here
>after a little digging >we found few skeletons in the closetAnd so on
>>2686741should ireland also be part of the UK?
national self-determination liberates colonised peoples.
>>2687003starmer is an empty vessel.
>>2687232its important to know that zionists worked with nazis.
>>2687325>the jewszionists*
>>2687416>zionistsisraeli nationalists
Having special words gives them an 'out'
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