>>2678741want to move to Portugal*
>>2678752early-stage dementia Harold Wilson (49 years and a few months ago lol), Gordon Brown and Theresa May (of all people) were all better. (Wilson was the best)
You’re not getting socialism because you don’t deserve it
Shitty bleak grey rainy impoverished peadophile rape TERF imperial core fascist daily mail hitlerian hellhole island
If it weren’t for Little Simz, Stormzy, and Geordie Greep all your heads would be on pikes
>>2678797No idea what this means but I'm happy or sad for you whichever response you were hoping for
>>2678802Sorry but I mostly listen to metal, goth, emo and occasionally a little techno or industrial. I'm as white and autistic as they come. I don't know the first thing about drill or gang culture.
>>2678808Stormzy and Little Simz are pop rap, mostly fun stuff but you’d probably like Stormzy’s sadder songs. Geordie Greep is progressive rock, used to be part of Black Midi who was part of an indie and prog scene called Windmill Scene, good bands from there.
>>2678789I'm truthfully jealous of yanks. At least their decay has a certain coherent aesthetic to it. We've just got the decaying ruins of a former civilization all around us. Greggs in a former Victorian bank, BetFred Edwardian, postwar brutalist M&S with a roof that's been leaking into a bucket for the last year and a half, weird Blairite millennium celebration sculpture that hasn't been washed since 2006, a cavalcade of student flats that look like they're composed of plastic and raw artifice, and a slowly fading street sign reminding you to maintain social distancing to stop the spread of coronavirus, covered in stickers advertising Instagram weed honeypots, tattoo artists, and the presence of at least one local seething enough to try and scratch off a trans flag heart.
>>2678988It's only a minor detail but the bit about Greens "enforcing" council cuts (e.g. setting lawful budgets with a reduced allocation from central government) always make leftists seem deeply unserious. They rolled the GLC (who didn't even do anything wrong), they rolled Hatton, and you lot think
you're going to be the ones to set an illegal council budget and get away with it?
It's all well and good to sit on the sidelines and demand other people break the law (which, it should be remembered, can result in personal financial liability for the council's expenses. How'd you like to be paying off an impotent gesture that nobody noticed for the rest of your life?) but if you're not personally an office holder, it seems like LARPing at best and side stepping difficult policy decisions (confident in the knowledge your promises will never come due) at worst.
>>2678988Was just about to post this.
Zarah is:
>Whinging that Your Party didn't stand a candidate - after she decided not to do so >Saying via her Your Party factional mouthpiece that people should abstain and not support the Greens (and therefore let Reform win)>Meanwhile saying the direct opposite in her personal capacity, that people should support the Greens>Lying that the Greens support NATO (Polanski has repeatedly been explicit about his support for leaving NATO)She's making up falsehoods about the Green party positions when there's plenty of other things you could corner them on.
She chose not to stand anyone for the by-election - then she complains about having no candidate.
She says not to vote for the Greens on one account - and then says you should vote for them on another.
This isn't even Corbyn vs Zarah infighting anymore. She's fighting against herself, against her own positions.
It's pure schizophrenia.
>>2679024The Left is so fucked in this country it's all so fucking dire
Any more info on the CPB's internal struggle going on right now?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DUBXwrvCKku/old news but
>Across both panel data sets, the researchers found the likelihood of a Leave vote increased as property wealth increased. In the Bank of England data for example, a standard deviation increase in property wealth increased Leave support by as much as 7.1 percentage points.>And although the researchers acknowledge that poorer areas of the UK were more likely to have voted for Brexit, their work shows it was wealthier people within those areas that were more likely to support leaving the EU while relatively poorer voters supported Remain. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/study-finds-wealthy-more-likely-to-have-voted-for-brexitwonder how this changes the implication when one analyzes the class dynamics of the thing, taking it from a wail of anguish by the shittiest areas of the country (everyone's thinkpiece on why we need corbyn, c.2016-19) to a lark by the lumpenbourgeoise whether actually rich or just buy-to-let king of shit city.
>>2679021She and her allies disagree on this issue, it's not schizophrenic, it's a political struggle going on between different groups involved in the faction.
Good morning thread. Was talking to my dad about politics last night and he said he views himself as a "Christian socialist", as in the kind that think the actual Jesus was basically a proto-communist and the opposite of how US Christians view him today.
Personally I'm not an idealist, I'm a materialist and an atheist, but I mean if his hearts in the right place why argue with the old man?
Got me thinking more broadly - what's your take on religious types on the "left"?
There's clearly a lot of Muslims who support leftist parties right now over Gaza but they're a mixed bag at best when it comes to the economic or social policies.
There's also gen z tiktokers who try to use crystals or hexes or whatever to harm Trump and so on then post about it on tiktok.
Should we just let them do their thing or try to correct them? Where's the balance between pushing them away from incorrect thinking versus the risk of alienating them from the cause by seeming like you maybe want to purge them a tiny bit?
Maybe it's just not worth worrying about at all?
>>2679076I don't know the ins and outs, but I do know the new GS Alex Gordon will be fighting his forever war about lady penis.
>>2679475the political left is generally an outgrowth of christian universalism. this is the opinion of right-wingers like nietzsche and spengler, and left-wingers like engels. atheism is also largely a sublation of protestantism, which seeks in its iconoclastic way to rid the figure of God of an internal idolatry. this is why an atheist is primarily ethical, not epistemological. proof of this is in the ponderance that if an atheist met a being that claimed to be God, they would deny the evidence of their senses in the first place, and secondly, would deny all immoral instruction of such an entity, relying on their own sense of practical reason. this is not to say that there is no entity which can be attributed as being a deity, but that all beings are ultimately subordinated to a higher principle of the Good. this is also the view of socrates and epicurus, that the daemons are inferior to man's inner reason, a sentiment equally repeated by Christ, that the kingdom of heaven is within, or as paul states, the law is written on our hearts. the central contradiction then is that an atheist has inner faith while a christian has exterior faith (Christ also describes this, between the public and private worshipper). to denounce God yet to preserve the Good is to rescue God from himself.
>>2679024>>2679026From one of the authors of that article, posted to their twitter today
The social reality of destitution within Britain has become nothing more than a school club for these idiots as they confuse in that typical manner political acitivsm with their own neurotic tendencies, incapable of a basic level of reflection on their own position except in the outputting of dismal personal memorandums such as this one in which they believe their path to socialism is through an endless orchestration of communiques such as those by which they are managed at work.
These individuals deserve their present fate as it is one of their own making.
>>2679719Painful to look at
>>2679719>sackedwillingly resigned, after opening britain's borders.
The British Empire is a sinking ship, step onto the lifeboat of progressive nationalism or go down with it.
>>2679729the british left seem to be making the proper movement to civic nationalism, while the right eternally teases ethnonationalist nonsense, which is far less popular than they imagine - even tommy makes room for the "good black".
So Starmer is done? This PMQ performance was atrocious.
>>2679729>progressive nationalismOxymoron, only internationalism is historically progressive
>>2679732In the modern day Ethnic Nationalists actually turn out to be traitors to their country every time. The racists in Wales and Scotland are (apart from some microparties) all part of Reform UK, a British anti-nationalist party. In England the racists are all in bed with Israel. Ethnic nationalism means national destruction.
>>2679804Irish nationalism isn't progressive? Palestinian nationalism isn't progressive? We're going to destroy the union mate and when we do socialism will flourish.
Also you have to love the entire British media's attempt to link Epstein with Putin and not mentioning Israel once. Meanwhile every comment everywhere under every article is some variation of "yeah Russia, not Israel totally".
Wish the UK left was organized to take advantage of this chaos. The Elites have their ass bare out in the open.
>>2679876there is one email where epstein just straight up says "i work for the rothchilds"
Oh yeah Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild is one of their main guys along with Wes Lexner and Eileen Guggenheim. It was Lynn who introduced them to British Royals like Fergie and Andrew.
>>2679829Creating more capitalist states does absolutely nothing to improve conditions for the proletariat. Having your own ethnostate doesn't change the economic system.
What difference does it make to the working class if the elites ruling over them are of the same ethnicity or not? Are the current Irish bourgeoisie any better than a British bourgeoisie?
The Irish and Palestinians in their resistance to imperialism should wage class war against their own leadership who are all of course collaborators with the British and Israelis.
>>2679925national liberation is primary to the struggle of labour
>>2679930>You can't have socialism without your own ethnostate what utter nonsense
>>2679925Read Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Engels.
>>2679947Why would I read a moderniser and social democrat like Stalin who purged the Old Bolsheviks?
Why can't there be a single secular socialist Palestine for both Arabs and Jews?
Did South Africa feel the need to balkanise into a separate ethnostates for whites and blacks?
Different nations for the white Afrikaners, for Zulu, for Xhosa, for Tswana, etc? No. It is a single multiethnic land.
i read about a study from The Economist saying that people are better off in the poorest countries of the EU than the poorest fifth of the UK.
Glad I'm not an Anglo, to think of it
>>2679873If people could see the future, they shouldn't have voted for """Labour"""
>>2679964>Why would I read a moderniser and social democrat like Stalin who purged the Old Bolsheviks?Becayause maybe you would stop saying such stupid things.
>Why can't there be a single secular socialist Palestine for both Arabs and Jews?You're showing your Zionist colours. I never said anything about Palestine excluding Jews. However it must exclude Zionists.
>>2679937>your own ethnostatei am arguing against ethnostates
a nation is a civil constitution, not a tribe.
>Plan to release Mandelson documents approved after Labour MPs' anger forces climbdownthe mandelson files
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czx3lq460n6t >>2679995Now cracks a noble heart
>>2679995 just dismantle the government already
>>2679987*an economic zone is a civil constitution
Just wait until there is a war on chum, and we'll see how quickly the rats flee
>>2679971I assume it's because they take the "average" where it get extremely skewed because the population of those places dwindle over time and only the higher paid stay
Hopefully part of what comes out is the bashing of the left of the party, one of the main reasons Mandelson is where he is, is because he and McSweeney were the architects behind Corbyn's downfall.
>>2679925>Having your own ethnostate doesn't change the economic system. tell me you have no subject matter knowledge about celtic nationalism without telling me you have no subject matter knowledge about celtic nationalism
the 2014 white paper on scottish independence actively argued that scotland should have
more immigrants and refugees and give out citizenship on a very wide basis. (e.g. substantially less restrictive and
less ethnostate-oriented than UK policy.)
>What difference does it make to the working class if the elites ruling over them are of the same ethnicity or not? This is fundamentally the wrong question. Try asking:
>What difference does it make to the working class if the elites ruling over live in the same geographical area and legal system or not?and the answer is:
some! Irish standards of living are
higher than those of Britain despite all the natural disadvantages facing Ireland and (unnatural, man-made, imperial) advantages facing the UK. One may grant that it took a while to get there (though a fair comparison for Ireland would require extrapolating from their trend
within the UK - e.g. if Ireland was poor in 1970, it may still have been richer than it would've been as a British region in 1970…), but get there they have!
is it the eschaton immanentized? certainly not. but you cannot dismiss, by some small trick of the hand, a measurable improvement in conditions for the working class on the basis that when you total it all up they're still oppressed, just more comfortably than we are.
>>2679983>You're showing your Zionist coloursSupporting no war but class war makes me a Zionist?
Let me remind you it was your beloved Stalin who supplied the very weapons to Israeli settlers that were used in the Nakba. And it was Stalin who was the first world leader to recognise Israel.
How can you support Stalin without being a Zionist?
>>2679987>a nation is a civil constitution, not a tribe.You surely know as well as I this isn't how it works. Almost every nation on Earth takes its name after the largest ethnic or cultural group that inhabits it.
In every nation on the planet we see the fascistic tendancies of the majority ethnic/cultural group proclaiming itself to be the nation - the tribe - and calling for restrictions and expulsion of people who do not fit that in group.
This is precisely why nationalism must be destroyed, why internationalism is necessary. Nationalism kills class consciousness. Nationalism is barbarism and tribal warfare.
>>2680040>internationalismcolonialism is the most basic form of internationalism
you are just saying words without qualifying anything
Ethnically homogeneous countries are the baseline, they are the defacto standard, any other formation represents a temporary flux.
If you set up you nice little.faorytal land with bits and bobs of all cultures then either
a) the cultures will remain separate, which contradicts the premise of multiculturalism
Or
b) the cultures will blend and you will end up with ethilnic homogeny, which contradicts the premise of multiculturalism
>>2680048the UK has different accents and custom per township. can we all not live in one country, or must geordies and scousers blend together?
>>2680055There are virtual borders but the ones that matter tend to be the ones blood has been spilled over
>>2680052Like literally every society that has ever existed
>>2680048Ethnicity does not equal culture.
>>2680060Just curious if we were going to have the litter picking argument again
>>2680024You didn't address any of my points.
I said nationalism doesn't change the economic system. You just create another capitalist state, since a nationalist struggle isn't class struggle and you simply empower the bourgeoisie of a different ethnicity.
Your response was to say, well actually the Celtic independence movements want more immigrants.
Okay? That doesn't address my point.
It's still a battle for ethnic separatism even if you're more tolerant of minorities than the state you separate from, and it's still creating another new neoliberal capitalist state.
On the second point you openly reject my question and create your own strawman, to which you respond with the notion that by some "trick of the hand" being ruled over by the bourgeoisie of ones own ethnicity marginally improves the economic situation compared to rule by a foreigner bourgeoisie.
In regards to this strawman arguement, I can only say we are not and should not be in the business of joyously celebrating the smallest of improvements brought about by social democratic capitalist welfare or by a state exploiting itself as a tax haven.
We are about rooting up the entire system of capitalism and replacing it. If nationalism does what you say then it only works as a temporary opiate to blind the proletariat to the fact they still exist under the same system as before, with the fewest accommodations made.
>>2680044You have never read a word of theory in your life.
>>2680062We can call it culturally homegeneous if it untwists your knickers. The result is the same
>>2680063Well golly gee if we aren't all the same after all!
>>2680068Beauty is skin deep
>>2680072>skin deepUnfortunately for you a lot of a what comprises a person's self assumed identity is as you say, skim deep
Just been watching some embarrassing BBC documentary about some black news reader visiting Africa and calling everyone 'brother'
>>2680081Sounds like they should have read Fanon
>>2680064There is no "we", you are a lone midwit speaking only for yourself and doing a damn poor job of it.
>>2680104The absolute utility of arms and hands is beautiful to me. Function over form over function
>>2680121Spoken like a true midwit
>>2680126You've got your midwits confused, I'm the other midwit
>>2680127The brains, so to speak
Your proles are still as booj as they were in the 1860s, if not more so
>>2680134You'll get the hang of this
I need to stop coming here
>>2680179
>Also Kipling was a race realist
The law of the jungle
>>2680191
You should write about it
>>2680190OG Alien is so much better than its sequels and spinoffs in nearly every conceivable respect it’s unreal
>>2680179>>2680188Yeah, you can't read a White writer from before maybe the mid 1900s and not assume that they are a racist. Just comes with the territory. That's also why you can't cancel White people for being racist before the mid 1900s, because that would mean canceling the entire Western canon. If you read a White writer from that era and you're not White, just assume he would've hated you if you're not a cishet White male. I still like the Jungle Book though. Cool book.
>He blamed “the German and German-Semitic elements of the population” for the reluctance of America to enter the war. A decade later he had not forgiven “the unhumourous race that told us what we ought to have done in Gehenna, while they looked over the rim of it.”
>There is no way to ignore Kipling’s disdain for Jews. “Israel is a race to leave alone,” he intoned in his valedictory memoir, Something of Myself. “It abets disorder.” One example of this was “one Einstein, nominally a Swiss, certainly a Hebrew, who (the thing is so inevitable that it makes one laugh) comes forward, scientifically to show that, under certain conditions Space itself is warped and the instruments that measure it are warped also.…” When Lord Montagu, the Secretary of State for India, advocated in his Report on Indian Constitutional Reform the transfer of limited powers from the Governor-General to provincial governments, Kipling refused to believe “that this particular Yid wants to save the British Empire. Racially, he does not care for it any more than Caiphas cared for Pilate: and psychologically he can’t comprehend it.”
> The derogatory comments about “Hebrews” and “Yids” in Kipling’s letters are too numerous to mention. He was no fonder of “Micks” and “Dagos”, and Dutchmen and Welshmen and Greeks came in for the occasional barb. And in one letter, after observing that “the last disabilities on Dissenters were removed in 1867 or there abouts,” he complained that “those disabilities are now transferred to England and 42 years…have seen the justification of our ancestors’ prudence.” Strange words from a man descended on both sides from Methodist ministers.
<"There is no sin so great as ignorance of the Law, and no punishment too severe for the man who dares to rebel against the State."
<"The only way to deal with the Oriental is to convince him that you are his master… and that you have the power and the will to crush him if he breaks the Law.">>2680197>There is no sin so great as ignorance of the Law, and no punishment too severe for the man who dares to rebel against the StateProphetic
There's like 1000 photos of Epstein wearing Mossad t-shirts and yet the House of Commons was asking today if there was any potential that Epstein was a spy. A spy for… Russia, that is.
>>2680207
And brits are just jews with worse food
So Starmer being rolled by the end of this week or next week?
https://archive.ph/16tBuL M A O can they sink to any lower depths?
The IDF has bulldozed the UK and Commonwealth War Graves located in Northern Gaza, containing the bodies of British, Commonwealth and other soldiers who died fighting in WW1 and WW2.
There are 3,082 British, 263 Australians, 50 Indians, 23 New Zealanders, 23 Canadians, 36 Poles, 184 Ottoman Turks, and 53 "others" buried at the site.
Ironically counted amongst the number buried are also a number of Jewish soldiers from WW1 - both European Jews and Palestinian Jews - whose bodies and graves were located at the site and which have since been destroyed by the IDF.
Although the action took place several months ago we are only just getting confirmation of it now. It's taken months to get the satellite footage proving the destruction of the graves by Israel.
>>2680271The law of the jungle
Tell me comrades, what are the bourgeoisie up to
Do not lie to me, I shall know if you are lying
>>2680304>what are the bourgeoisie up torape
>>2680304Nothing much, yourself?
>>2680065colonialism is literally a form of internationalism.
saying "internationalism" like its a magic word without internal contradictions is laughable.
>>2680063>white people dont litteris this the hill youre dying on?
>>2680081"bro" or "mate" is a common turn of phrase in england, but is everyone my friend?
>>2680197kipling coined the term "white man's burden", which is the typical enlightenment rationale of "progress", which we have all found out by now to be a lie.
>>2680418i feel terribly dispassioned when people turn the class issue of a bunch of paedo aristocrats into a partisan issue of ideology. further, if liz truss was proactive in dismantling the corruption of our system, she would petition to have her ministerial salary revoked.
>>2680726>kipling coined the term "white man's burden", which is the typical enlightenment rationale of "progress", which we have all found out by now to be a lie. Yeah, obviously. You are all just thieves.
>oi! I have such a burdern to come to your cunt and knick your stuff m8! Why does no one thank me for all the thievery I do on behalf of humanity!Truly Brits are a disgusting race.
>>2680728>britsyou mean the british ruling class?
>>2680418The same people probably conspired to have her ejected
>>2680726>white people don't litterThat wasn't the point being made
If you are going to chime in, then don't misquote.
Japanese people collecting litter at the end of a rugby match is a cultural quirk, a manifestation of something ethereal. Where does it come from and why? No-one really knows. I'm saying that is to be considered precious like a rare flower blooming.
>>2680736i constantly see people complaining about non-whites littering so do forgive me.
>etherealdoes culture not evolve over time? can we not provide a history of how certain customs become norms? there was a time that homosexuality was illegal in the UK, now its legal, and cucktin calls the west "satanic" for it, as if it is "ethereal" to our "atlantean" essence.
>>2680737Things change, but that doesn't give you the right to be the arbiter of change just because you perceive yourself to be on a moral high ground
>>2680741so, what should determine change?
>>2680742I would say public voting, but we know how that ends
>>2680734When you set out for revenge
>>2680744i agree with that, but the traitors to the will of the people are also those who claim to be their representatives. people voted for brexit and got mass immigration; people voted for trump and got war. people are now voting for reform, which has become a sanctuary for the same tories that betrayed them.
>>2680218>And brits are just jews with worse foodJust noticed the similarities between oy vey and oi for the first time for some reason.
>>2680753Oiii maaaaaiiiiite
>>2680763Don't try to make more presentable the opinions of antisemites
The morons you are referring to have been here for at least a year, and their vocation has evolved from simply haranguing the janitors with lines ripped from Stormfront to that dull optioning of arguments whereby they seek to drag discussion into the mythos of race in the deluded and naive belief that they'll find followers here as dim as they are
If you choose to flirt with this politic, do so on 4chan
>>2680766>Don't try to make more presentable the opinions of antisemitesI'm not. I just thought of Roald Dahl and I didn't even know there was an antisemitic connection. I actually read it as Dali for some reason when he wrote Dahl. It just clicked with me about Dahl. I guess now I have to look up Dahls antisemitism. But that uygha Dahl is like a huge part of my childhood. I was going to say I sometimes feel maybe I am more bong than most of you seeing as I've read more of your canon then any of you.
>>2680768There are larger events occuring than the rehabilitation of Dahl
>>2680773it seems that we live in a culture of guilt without forgiveness, like a typical slave system. endless confession of sin with endless penance.
>>2680774for clarity, associate "cancelation" with "excommunication". we exist in a cult.
>>2680774Are you American?
>>2680778I already said.
>>2680768>I sometimes feel maybe I am more bong than most of you seeing as I've read more of your canon then any of you.I'm not White either. Well not fully. I do have roots in Britannia but it's not like my 1/8th or 1/16th matter.
>>2680779Then fuck off to your own thread with this garbage you dullard
>>2680780Mmm. Like I said I am more bongoid then you lot. You are a degenerate and ignorant people. I really can't fathom what you guys are today.
Starmer set to make an announcement today
>>2680779>I do have roots in Britannia but it's not like my 1/8th or 1/16th matter.sorry, mate, but the one drop rule is clear
you are stuck with your heritage 🇬🇧
>>2680780>garbagerubbish*
>>2680785now imagine this all across bar crawls in spain and you get the picture
>>2680785Suggest you read 1984 by Orwell
>>2680785>>2680786Now let's see Paul Allen's cherrypicked imagery
>>2680787They assigned that one to us in mutt school. Also Animal Farm. They give us all the anti commie literature. We also were assigned The Giver, uh I think there might be another.
>>2680790Specifically Winston's first diary entry
>>2680790Oh yeah also Brave New World.
>>2680788is this better? (vidrel)
not a black or brown face to be seen 🥲🇬🇧
>>2680793brave new world is much superior to 1984
>>2680793I thought 1984 was a good book, but Brave New World was so shit I sparks noted the rest of it. Piss poor writing.
>>2680795>brave new world is much superior to 1984Shit take. I guess I never finished that trash. I saw that the guy goes and lives it up with the Native Americans or some shit? I dunno, I never finished it.
>>2680797you only got halfway. it gets better after that.
>>2680802Stunning that you retards have actually managed to outwit the incompetent moderator here
Ah yes 50% non white in a sudden discussion about Judaism and race.
Ban worthy? Nah, fuck it this place is going nowhere anyways
>>2680805Don't act like that came from nowhere, the other post made the glib remark about no brown faces to be seen
>>2680801just dont mention "black snape" to tumblr and youll be alright. much more controversial than the "black hermione" in the cursed child play, for whatever reason.
>>2680802could be a scenic look of birmingham, liverpool or glasgow. shitholes are shitholes, innit? benidorm's a shithole as well - how do you explain that?
>>2680803snitches get stitches innit.
chat shit, get banged.
>>2680808Honestly crack on, I want to see how far you can push this before the idiot caps on as to what's being said
>>2680808a complaint was made that its "cherrypicking" to depict white britons as having a low culture, so what is more accurate? a scene of 100% white britons should bring out the best in them.
Tell you what, it's early in the morning and we need to get that pattern recognition going:
Which parts of Mein Kampf are the least like 1984
>>2680820Britain is a silly little country isn't it
>>2680828Fascists want this unironically
>>2680829they already have it
there is no difference between the 2 minutes of hate and right-wing ragebait broadcasted on platforms like GB news
>>2680782Probably that Prince Andrew is being reinstated to the Royal Family, because the entire Epstein thing was a Russian KGB psyops after all.
>>2680841I love Eric Clapton, what a silly cracker!
>>2680848The Sir just came on.
>>2680849Any of you bongs watching the Sir with me? or am I once again the only one observing your culture?
>>2680853i'm watching but it doesnt sound like hes resigning
I was over at my dads house today helping with some household chores. He lives in a very rural area of the Mendips. At the end of the work we went to one of the nearby pubs. It’s the kind of place that farmers, truckers, legit flat cap wearers and the working class go to unwind with a cold one.
Starmer was on the BBC and the local hunting store owner said to his auto mechanic (friends since sixth form)
“You know what? He ain’t so bad. The economy is recovering, nobody’s rioting, he made us stand strong with our closest and most reliable ally Israel who would never ever engage in espionage and conspiracy against us and deal directly through a global elite paedophile network and to claim so is an antisemitic trope, we’re also standing up on the world stage again with our new deal with China and opposing Putler, Hamas and Qatar. Can’t believe I’m saying this but Ol’ Surrey Starm's got my vote next election.”
I looked around and all I saw were heads nodding in agreement. I heard a few calls of "That's smashing” and “That's ace” from the men around me. Even saw the lonely flat cap wearing farmer in the corner raise his drink with a nod, "Death to Jeremy Corbyn and Palestine glory to Labour Together, Starmer, McSweeney and Israel" one man on a stool loudly blurted out and the whole place erupted into a cheer.
When I got back to Bristol afterwards, which is in a very young, trendy, city. I could FEEL the excitement on the streets. I saw LGBTQIA+ folks cartwheeling and dancing in a dazzling multicolor/cultural display. I saw young women CEOs looking defiantly up into the office buildings with coy smirks on their face. I popped into my favorite local Irish pub McShlucks and saw they were doing a special beverage called Slurry O'Starmer which was essentially whiskey and ginger beer in a can. Everyone in the bar was enjoying it.
Look, folks, even with this made up homophobic antisemitic smear job against National hero who has served several of the UK's best ever Governments, Peter Mandelson, the deal is that Starmer is the best choice to lead this country. Farage will lead us to an antipasto christo fascism terror world. I am glad we have a loyal Zionist prosecutor (maybe lgbtqia+ he hasn't said yet??) as Prime Minister. 'Labour, no matter who' has become 'I'm voting for a ally of the Netanyahu, how bout you'.
Sir Keir just said "no-go-zones"
enough of sir keir for one day
>>2680822>>2680833although, the myth of britain does arrive with others, such as scotia (for which the name "scotland" bears resemblance). the name "britain" supposedly comes from "brutus of troy" (t. virgil's aeneid, 19 BC), and is explicated as being the founder of britain in "historia brittonum" (830 AD), which is the same source material that we get the king arthur legend from, later advanced by geoffrey of monmouth (1130), til sir thomas malroy completes the canon (1485). other arthurian myths is that the holy grail was taken by joseph of arimathea to england (robert de boron, 1200) for which, william blake in 1804 calls england "jerusalem" (which is the "green and pleasant land" that compares against the "satanic mills" of the industrial revolution). the arthurian myths also say that it was arthur with merlin (c. 7th century) who brought over stone henge from ireland (originally for the magical use of giants, which the british isles is steeped in with its folklore, such as jack and the beanstalk). by comparison, the myth of "scotia" is first referenced in the "book of leinster" (1160), where over time (like the arthurian legend), scotia comes to be a mother of the gaels, originally daughter of an egyptian pharaoh (there is actually some truth in this idea, since ancient travels from ireland to egypt have been discovered). the name "scotia" in reference to the gaels does precede this personification as early as the 3rd century (eventually being the latin name for ireland), but "caledonia" also precedes this, so should be seen as a more original name for what we call "scotland" today (c. 77 AD).
>>2680869Bruh, Sir Keir is saying so much wild shit and topical to this thread.
How did the the activist who allegedly break the police officer's spine with a sledgehammer get away with it?
I understand the other charges against the other activists, but there is a video showing the police officer being hit twice
Sir Keir here spreading his whole anus.
>>2680880He just finished. That was a wild one. I suggest you listen to the crazy kind of shit the leader of your country says. I stay tuned as an American to Trump.
>>2680897>, your prince who killed 24 Talibanis and other ragheads, respect. Sorry I mean him an Mehgan came to support. I won't forget that.
Holy shit lads we might actually get President Rayner by summer
>>2680903You know, for real, there is no reason for anything to between our nations. As yours rejected the European Union, it was always funny how the conduct all of their official business in English despite the only English speaking countries in their history being Britain and Ireland, but I digress, it's nice for me that everyone speaks English,
Just make English the official world language, c'mon. We aren't so particular about it. We aren't like the French. Like all we care about is that we can literally decipher what you're saying.
HOLY FUCK IT'S SO OVER
@Steven_Swinford
BREAKING:
Sir Keir Starmer, his ministers and advisers will be forced to disclose all their communications with Lord Mandelson - including WhatsApp messages and emails - as part of a mass disclosure of evidence
The Conservative party's "humble address" - a parliamentary mechanism used to force the publication of files and evidence - was deliberately broadly worded
It requires the disclosure of all "electronic communications and minutes of all meetings" between Mandelson and "ministers, government officials and special advisers" in the seven months he served as ambassador
The scope of the humble address means that messages that are nothing to do with Mandelson's appointment - including personal exchanges - will have to be published
Officials say that gathering the information will be a "huge" exercise that is likely to take months and has the potential to be politically explosive. Mandelson was close to most senior figures in Starmer's government
A revolt by Labour MPs on Wednesday also means the government will have no control over what is released. The Intelligence and Security Committee, a body of MPs and peers, will determine what is published
In Whitehall they are only beginning to wake up to the scale of this - ministers will be required to hand over all their messages. There will be thousands of them. The process will take months
>>2681084will these be referred to as the "mandelson files"?
>>2681084so far they have been calling them the 'mandesohn documents'
>>2681084Will sink in the mind of voters a Green vote as Reform will play it off as a coalition and more of the same
IT'S OVER >>2681084Is there any indication as to how deep it goes
>>2681084The adults who have sex with children are back in room
>>2681174This sceptic isle
>>2680785Like 60% of the kids I grew up with and went to school with were like this and I can tell you every last one of them is voting Reform purely off vibes and doesn't know a single policy of any single political party
>>2681233immigation innit mate *burps*
>>2681235Honestly think the majority of the British people are too retarded to be saved. It's not along class lines either, plenty of the bourgeoisie are just as thick.
just had an impure thought about Zarah Sultana and Angela Rayner lezzing it out
>>2681245Probably because you're a sexless twat
>>2680772>>2680777Insofar as it's secular blasphemy or a "cult", I don't see any reason to worry about wokeness. The basic dynamics of human socialising trend towards religion-like tendencies no matter what you do: making the gravest sin prejudice against your fellow man instead of something stupid like idolarity is agreeable enough as far as religions go.
(Ironically the main argument I can form against it is that it makes detailed policy analysis more difficult by turning it into partially a religious test - this is, after all, the miserable lot of western communists.)
I would go for more forgiveness and it's a shame we lost its thematic relevance from Christianity, but I don't think wokeness is as unforgiving as it seems. You may never be told that all is forgiven, sure, but ultimately things are allowed to slide. If you didn't support police abolition in 2020 you can still be cool so long as you're pro-Gaza now and don't sit around trying to relitigate the past. A basic ability to control your power level is all wokeness really asks - frankly, all most religions really ask.
So far as it causes blind spots or has excesses of emotion, none of this is any worse than what we've seen before.
>>2681344Fuck off with this dogrel, a Carl Benjamin tier response
>>2680941>look up pictures of the first fourholy fucking shit that was horrifying
now I know why brits are such assholes
they have no joy or beauty in their lives
>>2681376My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun
>>2681371You're going to have to develop on that. I don't see why "and that's fine, really" is what that wanker would say. His whole schtick is getting mad about nonsense isn't it?
>>2681389Then shoot off like one of your favourite podcasters who has exiled themselves to the land of political commentary where the term woke still signifies something
>>2681344the issue isnt necessarily the religiosity, its the obscurity of placing religion within the strictures of reason. like how marxists think that some proles deserve death for saying bad words despite claiming to be "materialists" unconcerned with superstructural chatter.
>forgivenyou are "forgiven" if you sell your soul, sure - but is it worth it? dont apologise to those who despise you.
>>2681376us brits like middle-aged women from the telly
>>2681399You know or ought to know roughly what it signifies even if it's a glib or stupid meaning. Do you get in a froth whenever someone mentions class, meaningless as is it in a world where that could refer to a category, a programming construct, the British caste system, the British caste system as interpreted by its journalists, or an objective relationship to the means of production, occasionally even several different senses within the same post?
>>2681411It's a term which is an inverted product of that stasis in the social relations in which it signifies nothing but a general counteraction within society only meaningfully differentiated by the most useless affiliations of like mindedness.
The term itself signifies nothing but merely a label to appellate the thought of those credulous enough to use it.
>>2681411>>2681429Thus what is and isn't woke cannot be meaningfully differentiated as it refers to no real historical basis, itself representing the well sewn artifice of those propagandists who have convinced you of its utility
>>2681431>>2681429Now tell me why the same isn't true of "god"
Yet we know god isn't too keen on gays and we know woke loves 'em.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) Can't have well reasoned thought mate, not when you're here
Arguments that are beyond me? Commie drivel, nuff said
>>2681435If God isn’t keen on gays why create them? And why have 1500 or so animal species do homosexual behavior in the wild? It’s almost like the urge is to cum and having a child and reproducing the species is entirely incidental to the instinct.
>Warning
Ban him you fucking gimp, look back through the thread and do your job
Oh fuck me, are these the same two clowns who show up every thread continually derailing discussion with garbage like
>>2681458Should we perhaps ban someone else yet again, or are we calling it a day?
>>2681458Because god isn't real and it's all arbitrary human social rules. That's why he's in quotes the first time.
What exactly is banworthy in any of my posts?
>>2681344 >>2681389>>2681435>>2681411>>2681459Pretty much everything I have said is anodyne if glib. "Generic if often performative social liberalism is a lot like a religion but that's okay" - apparently banworthy? Hell, apparently warning-worthy (because the warning didn't trigger, I can only assume because it was misinterpreted as saying that god is real and that homosexuality is wrong, rather than taking as read that we all know he isn't real and that any opinions attributed to him are, as a result, just
people doing things.)
>>2681493Are you new here?
>>2681547No, in fact I'd wager I've been here longer than most people (2016)
You should state what's pissing you off directly even if you don't make a full argument out of it because so far as I can tell the only reasonable explanation for this reaction is some kind of miscommunication
>>2681583Well just as an fyi you can be banned for "/pol"
>>2681574While pretty awful that the American base stays, that's literally the best thing Starmer did during his entire term, lmao.
Question Time tonight:
>Emma Reynolds - Labour MP who's one of the few remaining hardcore Starmerites
>Munira Wilson - generic Lib Dem MP
>Julia Lopez - Tory MP who is also one of Kemi's personal BFFs
>Oli Dugmore - used to work for PoliticsJOE and now for the New Statesman
>Zia Yusuf - the self hating token ethnic minority neo-fascist representative for Reform UK
>>2681805Fucking love the immediate fallout of this scandal as within the first fifteen minutes the entire table is geared towards nothing other than collectively taring and feathering each other from the realisation and wherewithal that each party is dripping head to toe in the collective as well as shared institutional failure which has defined Parliamentary rule for the past decade and a half, none of them contemplating for a second the legitimacy crisis which could potentially unfold.
Ironically that modern day Nostradamus, Truss
>>2680418, along with every other political crone of her ilk have immediately clocked what is about to unfold and have begun by slouching a portrayal of circumstances to their own convenient ends of a populist purge by exploiting the laborious and excruciating procedure of the investigation as something akin to an exorcism.
It is hilarious that Yusuf discussed the security state in this context as the primary fear of those responsible for British defence is with domestic stability of its own governance. What these idiots seek to unleash is a new McCarthyism with their hands on the reins without any pause for thought of the beast it is they have mounted. The situation could easily slip beneath them into a total disfavour, and the "rotten" system that Corbyn bemoans caving in on one and all headed by whichever populist body takes its shape. Whatever little cunning Yusuf has in this regard is spent as it appears as nothing other than a clear ploy to curry favour with those officials who look on anxious at the situation knowing that they must appeal to whoever will listen for budgetary increases as well as direct intervention from the home office in curtailing the growing extremist trends within society.
At this stage the two ends of history sufficiently written, a British state in a partial state of war and the political as well as economic turmoil that is brewing, are set to devour each other and take British society with it.
It is absolutely comical that the most Sultana can muster in the chamber is a polite whispering to that moral hysteria which has currently engulfed the far right rather than an outright denunciation of the state of civic corruption which is endemic to that very form of rule she opposes.
Ah but alas Zarah, we have the Greens!
>>2681983At this point there remains to be written to the most noble of the Your Party candidates, specifically those that have been mustered under the banners of anti-fascism, that laconic dirge in which it must be explained to them that the historical possibility of Fascism unfolds within those conditions which are both latent to and incipient of its form of rule, and not outside them.
What is meant by this is that they believe it may be met in the realm of civic activism, by which they enchant using the magic flute of trade unionism those workers to whom they appeal, whereby their voluntary activity and growth is taken as indicative of a resistance to its development through the raising of a political capable of mounting a defence of the standing order.
Ignoring the fairy tale of Your Party's half concocted platform, there is no body capable of challenging its development except that on which it takes shape i.e. on the basis of class. The tragicomedy of the Grassroot's bsckspinning spells openly and clear to all who are listening that not only has this nascent faction incorrectly gauged the temperament to which they must appeal, but that their electoralism is a doomed development to be written as a footnote in the future history of that form of tyranny they believe themselves as set to oppose.
Lacking any organisational basis to actually deal with and counter this trend within their own party line, either due to incompetency or infighting, these idiots must be shocked to consciousness as to the reality of what it is that faces them, namely that most have an incredulous understanding as to what the term Fascism signifies in both its historical and immediate contemporary complex.
It is the spectre of a dictatorship in which not only civil dissent is crushed but 'free thought' (an oxymoron and archaicism peculiar to the philistine sentiment of the enlightened bourgeois subject) is repurposed as that crude instrument of production in the social domination and subjugation of one class over another.
This formal statement belies the reality which they must brace: they take as a measure that sole factor of anti migrant hysteria as the level by which racial prejudice is to be measured, the two they hold feeding into one another. None, none of these fucking morons, none of them in the most idle machination of those deepest pensives they doubtless send one another, have had dawn upon them the implications of what the present level of society fused with an unlimited state surveillance system looks like.
Fascism begins and ends its life within the momentary excursion of the present day as both a rider's crop for their leadership and that prop for argument by which they may print endless streams of denounciations, actions, and other gibberish meant to endear those who they have converted to their cause.
The fortune by which these individuals rise in the management of their petty affairs is one dictated by a contingent and conditioned indifference to the actual situation at hand, much like every other circus act which duly nominates itself as the sole legitimate representative of the worker's interests.
It is screechingly apparent that Sultana has no wider ambition for victory as per her dealings within the chamber today, nor for that matter in the line she or her members issue to their supporters in raising any level of awareness as to what the current scandal is indicative of.
>>2682003Political body capable*
>>2682003If ever you wish to shock these morons with that reality of Fascism which is still eclipsed in the present unknown, simply tell them it is not when you are sometimes insulted on the street for the colour of your skin, but is this:
That one day, you will be walked into a brightly lit room with no exit and be asked questions by a voice that comes from nowhere. You will not be asked to speak, and after you are done thinking, in those blind moments of panic uncertainty from which you have been dragged from your bed in the depths of night, all light will suddenly disappear.
>>2682029panic and uncertainty*
JK Rowling has turned off the AIS tracking for her superyacht and wiped decades worth of port logs, totally delisted her boat.
Not only is this totally illegal, but it was done shortly after internet users started claiming the logs showed her superyacht at St Bart's - the closest island to Epstein's with a real port - at the same time period as many of his infamous parties occurred per the files.
Very curious behaviour for an innocent woman who claims to be a feminist and has spent years calling transgender people rapists and predators.
>>2682060>Very curious behaviour for an innocent woman who claims to be a feminist and has spent years calling transgender people rapists and predators.Let they who is without sin cast the first stone
>>2682029Newsflash pal, no-one actually votes for or supports fascism, it is just something that happens as the result of an abuse of power, e.g when starmer blocked Burnhan from standing as MP. Or when Starker put in place a superinjunction to stop discussion of his rent boy scandal.
>>2682060It would be nice if some of this shitstorm went upstream of epstein, that would be an eye-opener for most of y'all
>>2681805>Oli Dugmore - used to work for PoliticsJOE he quit? lmao he was their main guy.
>>2681945It will never cease to amaze me how things boil down to what I am going to call 'vibe leadership'
>>2681408Yeah antisemitism in the USSR was just bad words and nothing like pogroms or anything like that
>>2682234should people be arrested for saying bad words?
>>2682257Actually saying that I guess these days yo7 could be black *and* Korean so what even is race?
The only protected race from all of this nonsense seems to be… that's right you guessed it.
>>2682258but would the state change your birth certificate to update your race? (funnily enough, i was recently detained by police and they asked me what ethnicity i identify as - must be part of new statistical data gathering, so i wonder how much you could take the piss with that).
>The only protected race from all of this nonsense seems to be… that's right you guessed it.never heard of the black hebrew israelites?
>>2682260I remember the new York synagogue being raided by police a couple of years back and it was less than diverse in there, as rare as those snapshots are. Secretive bunch you see.
>>2682241No but you should get fucked up the arse you cunt
>>2682293i wish someone would fuck me in the arse
im gagging for it
>>2682247While accepting Hananias argument for devil's advocate purposes, it's really something to be relaxed about. Iirc hanania himself has said wokeness is basically just a small tax that everyone can work around without any real impact on efficiency or effectiveness of administration (because "DEI hires" are usually explicitly in diversity roles or otherwise fully qualified), more aesthetically annoying (to people like him on the right) than practically upsetting.
Meanwhile Trump and the general "populist" right are the opposite - doing reckless things that cause problems like announcing, then rescinding, then re-announcing tariffs, or more broadly having a personalist leadership style inimical to competent administration.
This would all broadly be true under a different system of economic organisation. I mean, social conditions would change with economic conditions, but if we were to take the thing as a whole: can socialism suffer a 0.0025% hit to productivity by letting a few people write a standards document on email signatures instead of a real plan, just so the retar– *ahem* intellectually disabled posters of this thread have representation on the planning board? Yeah, easy.
>>2682311the point isnt that positive discrimination is destroying le west, but that the architecture of political correctness comes from the legal status of race in liberal democracy. repealing or advising any laws is secondary to the question itself. further, i would say that steven pinker's notion of inherent social intelligence is a better fit than characterising a "tax", since a tax is coercive, while coding is voluntary. people have the freedom to be politically incorrect (or they should have it), but it just lowers their status.
owen jones status?
https://communist.red/greens-attract-crowds-of-hundreds-in-west-yorkshire/
>Far from the ‘Green surge’ being a flash in the pan, we are noticing a growing layer of people lending their support to this new Green party – a layer we, as communists, can connect with. Whether this support is deeply-felt or tentative is hard to gauge at present.Hilarious as the RCP are as equally fucking clueless about the present situation and are simply reliant on dumb chance for those few converts who wander into their clutches out of confused dissatisfaction.
>>2682395Friendship with Labour cancelled
New best friend with Green Party
>>2682426>Blue LabourLmao what?
>>2682443there's like 4 parties already doing this what the hell, who does this appeal to?
>>2682443how is this different to what sir keir is doing?
>>2682481sir keir is a liberal, no? these right wing social democratic parties are distinct
blue labour are nazbol gang, socially conservative fiscally left wing
>>2682443>particularly on immigration, crime, EDI and community spiritThis is inextricable from right-wing economic policies in British politics, because anti-immigration is peddled by parties that want to retain or even expand neoliberalism. Ask anyone from the former “red wall” and they’ll say economy is fucked from too many people in it and too many “breaks” given to slackers, that it can only be solved by having less people and those who remain working harder/smarter.
Trying to fuse a return to casual bigotry with also making the economy more equitable for *everyone* including people that bigotry targets, is a non-starter.
>>2682426Various actors such as Corbyn, Truss, and now these jesters have taken to calling that which they have knowingly imbibed 'rot', unable to locate in any one part of the main from where or whence the present deterioration in their system occurs as it is only once in being discovered that, much to their dissatisfaction, it must be peeled away like so much dead flesh.
Thus they all see only insomuch as that of their own design, that it is within the body of the bourgeois democratic establishment. Corbyn describes it as rotten but cannot broach the issue wider due to that same myopia he shares with Sultana in viewing it as prescriptive only of the present state of affairs, namely that constellation of wealth which is particular within Westminster.
None of these fucking clowns have for the first second considered that this general state of affairs is mirrored in that of their society, and like the absolute fucking asses they are place the cart before the horse, mistaking Parliamentary leadership for the winds by which they sail rather than the other way around.
Hence that 'rot' which appears to distend the bloated corpse of the political body in London is nothing more than the general decomposition to be found, much to their horror, as likewise in their little fiefs they claim to represent. This asinine view of electoral affairs is spread like a malaise among every rank and faction within Britain from both left and right as all are now caught within the buffeting of that tempest which has been brewing since Thatcher, with none able to declare as to how they were so caught unaware.
The decomposition of British capitalist society thus takes these idiots by complete surprise as the spurious management which had previously arraigned those social forces now gathers completely outside of any one's control.
The sheer ineptitude of Corbyn's vision, among others, has become one of a brain dead lament for which they take mere mass voting as the remedy to this palsy, failing to countenance for a single second that it is the total set of social relations which now undergo convulsions as those technical revolutions which bubble away beneath the surface threaten to erupt like so much magma in war, violence, and the threat of authoritarianism.
That these idiots can find no other word to express the symptom of their own ignorance to their state of affairs other than 'rot' is the blackest of ironies, as it begins life in Lenin's description of a society which has grown overripe.
>>2682503its all aesthetic
people want white slaves instead of black slaves
people would be happy to reduce the standard of living so long as there are less foreigners in the country
Is there a reason this thread has fallen off the catalogue
>>2682443they're such a gang of freaks
>Speaking at the Postliberalism Conference in December 2024, Maurice Glasman celebrated the victory of Donald Trump, which he said was "world historical" and "a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, interfaith, working-class coalition against progressives".[38] He declared that "the only place to build a house now is on the left side of MAGA square",[39] which he understands as the faction represented by Steve Bannon.>>2682426the funniest thing is that half of them
are New Labour. when they kicked off, David Miliband wrote for their essay collection and Ed wrote a supportive preface!
and while they've drifted in a more reactionary direction over time such that Ed might now hold his tongue, the same is true of Sir Tony himself! Never a nice social liberal (that is, itself, Blue Labour mythmaking. Blair was a reactionary cunt in office) he now rails against the socially liberal excesses of… his own time in office. Even in 2007, his
biggest regrets were banning fox hunting and freedom of information.
it is a bizarre position to find oneself in (and a real mark of the times) as an erstwhile communist that i could do a better job defending actually-existing Blairism as something progressive than Blairites themselves now care to do.
Forget reheated social democracy, things are now so bleak we might fantasize about how nice it'd be if neoliberalism had delivered on its promises. One giant birmingham mall monorail at the end of history… >>2682697someone was spamming earlier
>>2682727>could do a better job defending actually-existing Blairism as something progressive than BlairitesSufficiently stated this premise is raised to that condition of a general truth known in the fact that the Parliamentary model has outwardly deteriorated as its method of rule is exposed to its most inner contradictions, revealing to all who knew in the first place that the modus operandi of bourgeois democratic governance hinges upon the determinant driver of institutionalised financial corruption.
The capacity to render to these buffoons their own defence as the ground is pulled from beneath them under their own intrigue asserts the unstated and yet implicit assertion of the present political backwardness: that the democratic model within the British state is losing all capacity to effectively govern.
What has now built up is an inertia whereby that firmament of class rule revolves under the mass of its own weight as the clotted material of its past builds threatening to construct all due function as society itself turns over into its new ever more increasingly repressive existence.
This is the ultimate heart of that new attempt by this faction of vultures, who are simply seeking to jump start their own servile party of nationalist rule whilst refusing to abandon and climb out of that tomb into which they have helped plunge their fellow members.
Any idiot on the street could run the most basic defence for these politically stunted doyens on the grounds they cannot even argue, as those inward pressures in which they move now force them into action not on the basis of ideological coherence but the dull compulsion of their own being.
>>2682773Constrict*
What is essentially now unveiled to the public is the central lie which undergirds bourgeois society: accountability is merely that mechanism by which rule is established, useful only in its theatre of serving to expel political opponents when such conditions are favourable.
Such is the hilarity that when Sultana steps forward to chastise those vampires in them in their own abode by delivering the most half hearted of criticisms regarding the incestuous nature of Westminster she seems herself nothing but as a stooge in its legitimation.
>>2682788>>2682773>>2682727Nowhere over the course of this investigation will those resident propagandists on either side acknowledge this, instead jockeying as all have presently started to do in threading the needle for their own particular causes.
Thus the left, irrespective of affiliation, will litigate its members for their support on the basis of opposing the most ignorant reduction of events to the general ideal of greed and corruption, whilst the right will make its due on the fervent of its chauvinistic rhetoric.
None will call to question whether Parliament itself is fit for rule except in so far as the question attenuates their most slovenly repetition of the moronic slogans they mobilise the prejudices of their supporters under. Thus in place of a class politic the nominee socialists find themselves saddled with for their cause is yet another craven functionary who can only envision 'change' as a product of that society it must itself do away with.
Thus the pot stirs
Ah but Corbyn, we want a more just, fairer, and democratic society!
Tommy Robinson filmed himself stalking a transgender secondary school teacher, then turning up at their house unannounced demanding they justify their existence, their right to work, and conflating being LGBT with paedophilia.
Gavin Williamson, the Tory MP for the constituency where it occurred, has since released a letter basically endorsing what Tommy Robinson did and saying it's inappropriate for trans people to work where kids can see them and that the evil transgender teachers are brainwashing children knowledge of with pronouns.
There is no evidence or accusations the teacher has done anything wrong, besides the claims by Robinson and Williamson that somehow simply existing while trans is inappropriate.
Britain is a lost cause, a shithole of the highest magnitude.
>>2682966not enough people remember that the right wing press harassed a transgender teacher to suicide in 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lucy_Meadowsthough it's an odd case because the harassment was primarily from the right and tabloids. the respectable liberal press hadn't yet been dragged down by their colleagues and their own egos.
even fewer remember the weird twitter dynamics in the opening rounds of the game where journalists partially radicalized themselves against transwomen simply because they were furious that readers could now talk back, how in some cases they even flounced from twitter and had all their colleagues close rank around them. for in-group solidarity, there's nothing alive more tightly bound together than the british press.
>>2682980Britain quite probably the only western nation where it's morally acceptable for the mainstream media and politicians to harass trans people to death just for being trans
>>2682966Has he posted the video anywhere
>>2682982Our press is completely and utterly feral. Watching them deal with the Mandelson thing will be fun because they're going to have to crucify him and many people around him while somehow keeping their own hands clean even though he (for example) was a regular podcast host for
The Times, even doing their 2024 election coverage. He's all over the place like yellow stains in a smoker's house, in behind the skirting board and the wallpaper, and now he's done the most unforgivable thing: made them all look bad. How they're going to clean that up without bringing the whole structure down will be interesting to watch.
but ever the pessimist, i think they'll somehow pull it off.What's anomalous with trans people is that our nice liberal papers like The Guardian and our impotent state broadcaster are on the bandwagon. In other countries it's common for the right-wing press to have anti-trans derangement (of course it is, the right is currently one big MAGA larp in basically every country going), but usually this is counterbalanced by liberals who at-worst want to throw trans people under the bus strategically, but admit that's what they're doing, and at-best are genuinely against the current conservative tilt. Only Britain has the major liberal newspapers be as-bad as (and sometimes worse than) the right wing ones. Only in Britain does the impartial state broadcaster do an article about how transwomen are pressuring lesbians into sex based on… a Twitter poll by an anti-trans account and an anti-transgender porn star with several sexual assault allegations against her. Only in Britain is it considered adequate to add a rider going "oh, lol, this poll isn't scientific :)" to make it impartial.
But that's just one bit of it, isn't it? I mean, you can go down a rabbit hole just on the trans thing, and since that's a big international issue it's a good one to compare - but where else in the world is the entire press invited to a briefing by the future PM's chief of staff and former party billionaire bribes officer where he explains precisely how he's going to manufacture a fake antisemitism crisis to roll the party leader and replace him with a right winger, and the entire press just sit on this story and pretend they haven't heard it until one of them writes a book
bragging about it after the election? where else in the world do journalists openly say to one another: it looks like the next government have no plan whatsoever to fix the country, but let's just hope they've got a secret plan instead of pressuring them on it because we don't want to ruin their election chances? Where else can Labour commission a respected lawyer to do an internal report on antisemitism in the party to prove that they're no longer antisemitic, then completely disregard 90% of what it says and leave the poor guy in the situation where he's got to run to Al Jazeera because none of the domestic papers want to hear him call them out on it?
You can sit and roll your eyes at the big picture:
A bourgeois democracy isn't democratic? Stop the presses! but if you look in any detail, you quickly realize this is deranged, this doesn't even qualify as bourgeois democracy, it's a managed democracy at best. The public aren't allowed to choose between Coke and Pepsi, frankly it's not even clear that much of the bourgeoisie get a say. It is just completely insane.
Stop the presses! So the trans person Tommy Robinson was stalking is also black which adds yet another dimension to the stalking and harassment.
And the extent of their gender transgressiveness was having long hair, using Mx as their preferred title in their private life, wearing a pink leather jacket.
This was apparently extreme enough of a threat to societies children for Tommy to station people to watch the individuals house for days on end, from dawn till dusk, to exactly map out their daily life schedule and jump them as they came home one day.
One wonders how all these fascist snowflake freaks survived the gender bending pop and rock of the 70s and 80s… Our nation is in the fucking gutter.
>>2682241>should people be arrested for saying bad words?Yes.
Holy fuck they can't even be arsed to strip the guy's peerage for fear of precedence. What a joke of a country.
>>2683067why should people be locked in a cage for saying bad words?
>>2683190well, its in her name isnt it?
>>2682966>>2683025here's vidrel of the incident (7:30-10:30)
tommy pulls up to birminghan at 5am to wait outside the teacher's house to immediately harass them first thing in the morning. absolute thuggery.
>>2683450I suppose it comes down to whether you could trust a person like this to keep personal politics from being imposed onto children?
People have short memories, so let me remind you when the Muslim community strong-armed their local school into rethinking the sex education classes to be in line with Islamic belief rather than a national standard.
It's sad that I should even suggest this, bit considering how irrational, retarded, and violent things have become, perhaps school teachers should all be made to wear body came?
>>2683450there really is some fascinating sociology in the whole thing of "parents are outraged as school punishes kids for refusing teacher's pronouns"
like, there's a conventionally accepted teacher > student hierarchy in current society. if a teacher was a doctor and a real prick about asking you to call him "dr. smith" instead of "mr. smith" and you made a point of refusing, you'd get in trouble and most of the time, your parents wouldn't sympathize or would agree that the teacher is a prick but still expect you to respect the hierarchy and not cause trouble, e.g. go along with it.
i personally have little time for this hierarchy, but it's undeniably present. that's just how school works!
but because the teacher in question is transgender, it's open season. normal > abnormal is a stronger hierarchy than teacher > student. indeed, the abstract lesson to a child here is that punishing deviance is even more important than respecting your elders/superiors.
>>2683450>Far right agitator skulking outside a teacher's house at the crack of dawn as they get up to go to workGenuinely wonder what vocation he puts down when he files his tax returns to justify the self-employed status
>>2683461>far left agitator is employed by the state for one-to-one access to your kids every dayDoesn't sound much better to me. And robinstein is an asset.
>>2683463Ah yes because some moron with long hair and a fixation for gender politics is in fact an agent of chaos let loose among the fragile and ever diminishing white minds of the future
>>2683465I didn't say that.
My point is that targetting children with whatever political viewpoint you hold is manipulative.
>>2683467is there any evidence this particular teacher has done this or are you going to pull a "merely being a transhumanist is political" gambit, possibly backed up by "ah, but isn't everything political?" if questioned on that.
>>2683468My personal opinion, which I am entitled to, is no I would not trust a person like this to keep their personal politics out of the classroom.
The same would go for any politically extreme character.
>our substitute teacher for today is jim davidson >>2683471Although saying that, i would trust jim davidson to not be racist in front of kids more than i would trust that teacher not to promote LGBT agenda
>>2683471Then your concerns would be shared with the school in both its hiring and education policies
>>2683473Now the question becomes, did Larry Fink put financial and political pressure on the various boards of our education system to positively discriminate such hiring practices?
>>2683467>My point is that targetting children with whatever political viewpoint you hold is manipulative.you literally can't teach most subjects without there being some kind of political bent to it.
And just to reiterate, if this teacher is just a genuine and nurturing person who is there to support and raise good kids, then I personally don't care if they are transgender
>>2683480Does the threat of the personal interjection of marginal political views in the classroom warrant what is effectively criminal stalking and organised harassment?
>>2683471what exactly does 'a person like this' mean?
>>2683483No, but I would argue what Robinson is doing is no more shitty and threatening than most journo scum looking for a story. As with most things, we should be looking upstream rather than blaming the pawns
>>2683485Let me draw you a diagram.
There's being transgender and there is looking to be a problem
>>2683489is this actually the person? im not giving views to some rightoid video
>>2683471do you draw that inference on the basis of their transgender status, on the basis of their style of dress (separate from trans status), or on the basis of some other information I am not party to?
(i ask purely out of curiosity, taking you on good faith here
>>2683480 )
for my own view: i don't think teacher's politics really matter. i'd rather have a nazi with the patience and general disposition to be a teacher than a communist who is a total prick who puts you off perfectly learnable subjects because they're inter-personally incompetent and transparently insecure. politics are a fairly trivial little thing and a teacher's influence in that area is limited at best, but you can poison a person for life by fucking up schooling.
which our current system does almost inherently, but that's another story… let's just say, within this system, you can do it much less badly…>>2683475this seems like a question of limited merit in a world where there's a teacher shortage due to poor pay. if there are more jobs than applicants, you can't really positively discriminate. the maths just don't work. anyone trying to bribe the government to hire someone was an idiot - all any interested candidate has to do is be qualified, apply, and not quit almost immediately due to the job sucking.
>>2683490no, that person is canadian or american from 2023-4 or so.
>>2683490No, but it is another teacher (in the U.S)
>>2683490It was some prof doing a ragebait. I can't recall if he said he lost a bet or something.
>>2683492so why the fuck are you bringing it up exactly?
>>2683491Everything is so polarised these days it would honestly come as a great shock to me to learn that the teacher did not hold a comparatively extreme political worldview.
That being said, you are right you should not judge a book from its cover, but I can be suspicious of it.
>>2683494Kids should be protected from nutters
>>2683498but that person isn't the one that's being harassed so what evidence do you have of this teacher being 'a nutter'
>>2683493whats up with rightoids all wanting to dress up as women while attacking trans people, kinda sus
>>2683498Let me put that into perspective, I appreciate the work of Greenpeace and Palestine action (that pig getting disabled was a real tonic) but I wouldn't want them in a classroom.
>>2683487It's not, but your histrionic denial and insistence that worse must be yet rationalised by worst on the basis of a criticism which takes aim at that management strata for their failure to forsee this in their imposition of a misguided agenda misses the fact for what this is: a voyeur, who is being enabled at the level of the state, in a social witch hunt in order to serve the agenda of a financial elite.
>>2683498There are much worse people than nutters out there. Kids should be protected from bastards. That teachers are allowed to be bastards with impunity is one of the most quietly galling things about this country.
>>2683501Why exactly? Or more to the point: why problematize their presence, but not the presence of people who are normal but bad at their jobs and overall a negative influence?
It's easy to quantify politics and harder to figure out personality, I'll give you that, but that just raises the importance of learning how to get personality right. A teacher who puts your child off learning maths leaving them quasi-innumerate despite clearly having the raw intelligence to figure it out is a much worse influence than a teacher who tries to propagandize environmentalism to an audience of kids who're only half paying attention because they're too busy playing on their phones.
>>2683500>>2683502Why is it, without even looking at the details of the story, that I know this teacher is in charge of 4 to 6 year-olds. Am I psychic or something?
>>2683549without looking it up? you posted a video about it didnt you?
>>2683553No that was another poster, first I have seen or heard of the story is this thread
>>2683555>>2683549i honestly dont even know what youre trying to imply
>>2683561This, and other placements of this kind, deliberately target younger children it seems. Why? I suppose the teacher would have a tougher time with older students? Doesn't really matter the reason, the point is without knowing anything about the teachers polit8cs or teaching style, their employment has been made political. I don't thing primary schools should be the front lines for political change. I think it is underhanded and I think it is manipulative.
>>2683566Actually i will go one further, I think it is fascist
>>2683566>>2683568this position is only tenable if you take the status quo to be apolitical and if you assume that the politics in question are conscious. (e.g. placing a trans teacher with younger students because they're less likely to be cunts about it than older students is "political", but any rational thought on the matter would conclude that it's a matter of a bunch of administrators trying to give everyone an easy life, not a nefarious plot to normalize transgenderism by getting people while they're young.)
putting my own cards on the table: this isn't even a function of my trans-sympathetic politics, but of my antipathy to the structure of contemporary schooling. you take for granted, it seems, that we imprison children and browbeat them into obedience, allow sadists to strip them of inquisitiveness and curiosity, allow by one means or another a certain degree of bullying and other social sadism, and try to foster within them a value system where they're either told they're worthless thickos or taught that the most important thing in the world is getting their superiors to write nice performance assessments for them. we do this to raise a certain type of citizen and also for the simple reason that it enables parents to be more productive economic units at the low, low price of their children's best years. all of this is taken as entirely natural, left unquestioned, yet here we are several posts deep in discussing the merits in having a slightly atypical but ultimately harmless variation of the standard prison guard watch over the inmates. only at that moment did it become political. madness.
>>2679829>Irish nationalism isn't progressive? Palestinian nationalism isn't progressive?No lmao
>>2683489This was in Canada a few years ago, it was some rightoid MAGAtard teacher doing it to ragebait and get people mad about trans people
>>2683606She's guilty and it's bizarre that the right wing press are so fixated on trying to prove a baby killer innocent.
The elites and upper classes are all sadistic psychopaths who want money, death and misery
The middle classes are all self obsessed and self righteous werewolves with a tendancy to transform into little Hitlers under the right moon
The working classes and lumpenproles are intellectually retarded and glued the the spectacle of TV and the hatreds they're told to hold by the elites
We here are the elite few from all backgrounds who break conditioning, who understand what change is needed to save society from it's ongoing barbarism
A mass party will never work. Bourgeois democracy will never work. We need an elite vanguard to strike terror and overthrow the current order.
What can we do in the imperial core? How do we sweep out the current system, us few, with millions against us?
nothing to lose but your chains + world to win, something along those lines. all i look forward to is to see a monarch hang
>>2684359what? he's objectively correct.
>>2684360why are they clapping?
dont they know thats triggering?
>>2684359If I'm wrong then explain how so.
Crying and hurling insults just comes across like you don't like being told the truth.
>>2683452As far as I'm concerned, anyone trying to remove sex educations from schools is a nonce who want's to fuck kids without those kids knowing what's happening to them or that they can speak out.
We shouldn't give any other motivation they pretend to have even the legitimacy of an argument.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/feb/07/keir-starmer-labour-leader-peter-mandelson-latest-news-uk-politics-updates-epstein
<“But this is serious, and the task is very clear. The task is we’ve got to clean up the system, a total clean-up of the system, an end to the corruption and unethical behaviour. And if we don’t do it, we’ll pay a heavy price.”Good lord Brown, how on Earth will we accomplish this?
Reminder that the UK branch of Palantir has full access to your NHS health records and is ran by the actual grandson of Oswald Mosley. The government is totally fine with this.
>>2683529OI! U WOT M8? FEELIN A BIT OF THE Ol' WHEELY CHINKY?
>>2683529> "what you're okay that it's Chinese?, you okay that it's that Chinese?! ARE YOU OKAY THAT IT'S CHINESE!!??"holy fuck my sides
>>2684728all we need now is digital ID to compromise the entire nation 🥂
>>2684826your first mistake is posting on reddit
>>2684834yeah but that is where basically all forum engagement is these days. Go to /pol/ and it's people who think Jews are literal demons, Reddit is where most normies and political people discuss stuff beyond Discord and I don't use Discord shit out of principle due to how annoying it's made troubleshooting stuff online (Join the discord to get the manual! fuck off)
>>2684837Ayy, I am an appreciator of you from across the bond my weirdo mutt bonger.
>>2684850>it is perhaps the one positive anomaly in british opinion surveying: unlike america and continental europe, young men have not turned into 60% feral little weirdoesIsn't this just a very (i.e. last couple of months) phenomenon?
Swear young men were more likely to vote for Reform not even a year ago
>>2684854they were willing to vote reform because reform tried to pander to them, and since the other parties were for the middle aged (labour), the elderly (tories) and whoever the libdems appeal to, problem is though that's easily countered when another party just offers to do better
>>2684854not even the far right support reform anymore
the con is revealing itself
>>2684854I'd have to refresh my memory (it's annoying to disaggregate because yougov will give you age or gender but not let you combine them) but in 2024 young men were 12% Green, 12% Reform.
It's possible Reform surged and then crashed, but if they've been stagnant that would be pretty funny.
>>2684858>It's possible Reform surged and then crashedi'm pretty sure that's happening now, if you look at a broad poll of the parties, you'll see that reform is in declne
>>2684897It's scary to think we now live on an era of sourceless claims shat out by the Information Machine
>>2684862Farrage is not a leader, he will never be PM. He is a shit stirrer
>>2684906sources are highlighted at the top and can be expanded. any and all provided information can also be verified by a more extensive google search. i for one, find the AI feature extremely convenient.
Why is Starmer such a yank-loving cuck?
>>2684914Because I fuck his bussy right.
I wonder if the Information Machine would tell us that the Pallestinians entered the holy lands in a series of waves after Rome BTFO the prior occupants? All part of one marvellous tapestry amirite?
>>2684735>Why are bongs so aggro?Symptom of our rigid class culture.
>>2684911searched "celtic migration into britain" and got this BBC article:
<Scientists have uncovered evidence for a large-scale, prehistoric migration into Britain that may be linked to the spread of Celtic languages […] From around 1,000BC, suddenly that ancestry seems to disperse all the way through southern Britain, particularly," he explained, adding: "There's no particular genetic change in Scotland, but everywhere in England and Wales, this ancestry has an effect." […] As for where the initial migrants originated in continental Europe, their closest matches are with ancient populations in France […] Characterising any differences in ancestry between Ireland and Britain during the Early Bronze Age will allow us to better understand the extent and direction of migration in subsequent periods.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59741723>>2684921you are a gaulish invader of the isles. get over it.
>>2684930I'm French nobility sunshine.
Your linked article cites 'large scale migration', but regardless, the propaganda robot is linking current migration events to ones in the past and disregards all the bloodshed and wars that happened as a result, not to mention the people at the time probably weren't happy about it either.
>>2684935or reporting on facts requires neutrality?
the article doesnt say "… and here's why thats a good thing!"
Zultana status?
>>2684929Ad de-industrialisation
we can see a replacement of native british culture from a neolithic age (c. 4000-2500 BCE), characterised by stone implements and monuments such as stone henge, to the disruptive introduction of metallurgy with copper by the "bell beaker peoples" (2500-1000 BCE) who also have a custom of singular burials with weapons (as opposed to the weaponless mass burials of before). after this we get the celts who replace a much larger amount of native britons and further advance metallurgy (e.g. iron work; literally a descension of the ages, as described by homer and hesiod, 800 BCE). the celts also introduce writing into britain. after this you get romans (c. 50-450 AD), then the english (450 - 1000 AD), then you get the normans (1000 - 1400 AD). i choose this span of time because it was henry iv during his reign (1399-1413) that unburdened some of the norman yoke by having english be his native language. during this period also we are in the midst of the hundred years war with france (1337-1453), which shortly transitions to the war of the roses (1455-87) which sees the tudors come to power by a bloody civil war. its then the tudors who bring capitalism to england, as previously discussed. we can also characterise the racial period as a time of english ascendancy (1500-1700), culminating in another civil war, with the expansion of the empire. i set a limit to the 18th century since at this time, king william is a dutch import, so disrupts the chain of succession (as referenced by defoe; that many of the english saw william as illegitimate).
>>2684947how do you feel about big rocks?
>>2684948Ask again later
They're also having issues expelling Piers Corbyn and are up in arms about it calling him a Fascist, when in fact he's just a loon
look at this adventure time ahh art style:
<Cadwaladr Fendigaid [7th century king of wales]. A crude illustration from a 15th century Welsh language version of Geoffrey of Monmouth’s highly influential Historia Regum Britanniae (‘History of the Kings of Britain’)https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:History_of_the_Kings_(f.104.v)_Cadwaladr_Fendigaid.jpg#mw-jump-to-licensequite cute tbh 🥺
>>2685035Hang about then, she was fired/dismissed/whatever for tax diddling and now she's back? Is that how it works?
>>2685064she was pressured to be sacked for tax fraud but never was. her defence was that she only broke the law accidentally.
>>2685088So she just stopped working for a bit? Went on her holidays until the heat died down and now she is back to carry on lile it never happened
in the anglo-norman history "description of england" (1140) it describes how the kings of england separated the land into 7 kingdoms, only for them to be usurped by the "king of wessex" (presumably aethelstan, c. 925-39), who further divided the unified kingdom of england into 35 sections, which he called "shires" (or what is called in the french, "counties"). the history further states that the welsh are extremely vengeful against both the english and french, and call upon the name of king arthur in reclaiming land (lines 220-228).
aethelstan as first king of england is also the one who licensed freemasonry in england, according to the matthew cooke manuscript (1450 - which also claims that the craft originates with euclid, c. 300 BCE), which in its french and english forms, goes on to author the bourgeois revolutions of the 18th century. i also speak on the racist agenda of much freemasonry here:
>>2684824rudolf steiner alsk describes the absolute decline of freemasonry during the 20th century here (1906):
<Freemasonry, however decadent it is today […] Freemasonry today as a caricature of the great Royal Arthttps://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA093/English/RSP1985/19060102p01.htmlconjoined to this spiritual history is crowley's "aeon of horus" (1904-), which aquino claims was usurped by the age of satan/set (1966-). so, the craft can be said to be operative from 300 BCE to around 1900 CE; a period of 2,200 years, like an astrological age.
Everyone that fucked Jeremy Corbyn over is losing their job and getting shit on, it’s awesome
we never left the stone age…
<The Stone of Scone (/ˈskuːn/; Scottish Gaelic: An Lia Fàil, meaning Stone of Destiny […] is an oblong block of red sandstone that was used in the coronation of Scottish monarchs until the 13th century when it was seized by Edward I during the First War of Scottish Independence and taken to England. Thereafter, it was used in the coronation of English and later British monarchs […] In 1296, during the First Scottish War of Independence, Edward I of England took the stone as spoils of war and removed it to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair – known as the Coronation Chair or King Edward's Chair – on which most subsequent English and then British sovereigns have been crowned. Edward I sought to claim the status of the "Lord Paramount" of Scotland, with the right to oversee its King […] On 11 June 1914, as part of the suffragette bombing and arson campaign of 1912–1914, suffragettes of the Women's Social and Political Union planted a bomb loaded with metal bolts and nuts to act as shrapnel next to the Coronation Chair and Stone; no serious injuries were reported in the aftermath of the subsequent explosion despite the building having been busy with 80–100 visitors, but the deflagration blew off a corner of the Coronation Chair and broke the Stone in half – although this was not discovered until 1950, when four Scottish nationalists broke into the church to steal the stone and return it to Scotland.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Sconedid the suffragettes reverse the magic of the stone?
>>2685128>Everyone that fucked Jeremy Corbyn over is losing their job and getting shit on, it’s awesomeIncluding Jeremy Corbyn lol
>>2685153Did anyone control f Jeremy Corbyn in the epstein files and find anything?
>>2685156Only thing I saw where news articles and a censored email address complaining to Epstein that they would move to Portugal if he got elected
Robin Mcalpine, who used to be good at controlling his power level, won't stop TERFposting. I'm sure he thinks he's being subtle but it's fucking annoying because half the time it activately undermines his point (e.g. he compares a high ranking civil servant put on paid leave and training for being racist to Sandy Peggie's treatment by NHS fife… But Peggie was also caught being racist and didn't get any punishment at all!)
It's a shame because he used to be good on e.g. summarising the Scottish ferry scandal or the internal implosion of the SNP, but TERF Brainworms always get their fill of grey matter in the end.
I hate being British, I hate being English, our entire culture is shit and grim and based on imperialism, monarchy, being twats. Most of my countrymen are utterly insufferable.
Hate how our entire society is run by posh fuck etonite snobs, all of our media is aimed at the lumpenproletariat, and there's all these shite Victorian London ass forced stereotypes of Britishness everywhere. If Paddington Bear was real I would boil the fucker alive in a vat of piss.
Would much rather of been Irish at the least or literally from almost anywhere else, China, Poland, Mexico I don't care.
Obviously can't say this in real life though or else flag shaggers and everyone on the council estate would ritually rape me and then burn me at the stake while streaming the ordeal on Facebook.
>>2685352sounds like you need a snickers, mate.
>>2685379
lmao fuck off with your virus
>>2685389
Upload the MP4 directly here, nobody is clicking a shuttleware link to what they know is in all likelihood a virus
>>2685352I've also reached this conclusion and my solution is to subtly pretend to be American on the internet. Not actually LARP as one, but throw myself wholeheartedly into mostly not talking to British people and never being tied to any geographical specifics.
It's a shit solution and I'm really holding out for a foreigner to get me a marriage visa or , failing that, Ireland. (You can always emigrate there, but you're still stuck with Englishness alas)
>>2685399Have you seen those videos of people who grew up in America and got deported to Britain or moved? This guy is a MAGA idiot but I remember this other vid I saw from this White guy.
>They're like this place is so horrible!I can't believe I used to seriously consider moving or studying there. I think just because I like some bong culture, but even the culture gets across what a depressing place it is. I guess I used to be more of a depressing person so gloomy weather was almost enticing for me.
>>268541390% of my class at school were exactly like this tbqh
>>2685352Reserve a much more different species of hatred for those house servants that are the British left, who in donning the matching costumes of their masters parade around in front of one another such servile language as democracy, peace, and justice in order to rationalise the shackles of their own slavery as the induments of freedom.
Pull at the threads of these idiots well worn guise and you discover the whole tapestry in which they are clod is that self-same cloth spun from but a different end of their opponents given a different dye.
Thus in place of the rampant bigotry which prevails in anti-migrant rhetoric you have instead its opposite with the well informed sohpisticated prejudices of morons who brandish their own uninformed moral sentiment, bestowed to them from upon high as simply those opinions which are socially acceptable, as that weapon by which they make good their servile will in that industry of British politics; epithets of wealth are thrown in an unintelligible babble of "rich" and the "middle class", as all distinctions based on historical divisions in actual class antagonisms between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie are annihilated by that dumb repressive propagandising of thought incipient in the herd like mentality of its petty tyrants, whom striving chiefly for political office believe that they have been anointed for such causes as social justice, to the end of leading the collective masses sufficently united unto their new little zion.
These idiots must then, like the good samaritans they are, vomit all the undigested matter they have gorged themselves on up onto their respective media channels, believing that the work such true socialism consitst of is in mindlessly repeating what are little more than well marketed slogans whilst those dreams of "fairness" drift through their heads like so much fog over the towns and cities in which they live.
Point out to these miserable little creatures that which they know but will not accept, that their half-baked demands and idle fantasies - being just that - are nothing more than so much dross drawn up by one who, in attempting to form an identity of civil conscience informed by their leaders, the bourgeois ideal, displaces all recognition of their own practical existence in the material basis of society, and they will spurn you as at best memorials to an age which they believe not only has passed but which they do not recognise. Thus it is that Corbyn and his ilk march down streets littered with the wealth of their own exploitation demanding nothing more than that those who listen accept their futile program to end the bloodshed on which the ground beneath their feet is built.
Therefore you find in British society that well worn ignorance which takes itself for a virtue as workers march together, pulled along by the very coat tails of their masters whom they believe now serve them with that dignity of their holding them, in their knowledge that the mere act of voting as a partially organised body renders them slaves no more because, like Sultana, they have bought into the delusional pretence that they may legislate away using the very instrument of rule, Parliament, which is used to oppress them the conditions of their own servitude.
To call oneself British is to recognise this delinquent state of affairs, in which you are pressed either into the purchase of one creed or another knowing full well that not only is there no difference, but the sweet mercy of death towards which all crawl will arrive in so much worse a fashion that one wonders if suicide when it was illegal wasn't preferable to suicide when it was; an island ruled over by a caste who having been paid their fat fortunes now set to work not correcting the wrongs of the past by building that future in the present but simply profitting from the obscene orgy capital gives rise to whilst deferring all action to such a time when it is impossible to deal with.
You hate Britain, I love it. Only in this land of blasted heaths and dogged swamps will you find the collective refusal to reshape those same social services which eventually they will cling to: elderly care, policing, health, schooling, all are equally scurvied by the blight of capitalist profit, which in belching into the atmosphere so much poison now threatens its eventual collective eradication. That, still, our society has not just climate deniers but a reactionary party in part financed by oil monopolies is that absolute apogee of the culmination of this nation's fortunes within the broader span of its time as a state.
To be British is to choose how you die: either in the pleasant bliss of one whose fortunes in life amounts to the sheer, brutal, dumb, consequence of the system's own backward accomplishments, or in that agony by which one is crucified in that gutter work of minimum wage that all idle time is spent begging for a reprieve that simply never comes.
But all hail comrade Zarah! Glory to comrade Corbyn! You, of noble character unlike us mortal sinners, who stand shod above the rest by those immortal hopes of more equitable pay, banking on the luceracy of your trade in exchanging political principle for votes having shorn at last the vestiments of revolution instead accepting necessity.
Hail British socialism!
>>2685491such as true socialism*
>>2685491>Thus it is that Corbyn and his ilk march down streets littered with the wealth of their own exploitation demanding nothing more than that those who listen accept their futile program to end the bloodshed on which the ground beneath their feet is built. Laughibly it is on this position that Corbyn himself is derrided by his fellow peers in Parliament, those monsters born from the womb of capitalist terror who now take idle glee in informing him of the basic contradiction on which he stands: that his, his constittuents, and his fellow citizens standards of living are built on imperialist greed.
So, unto thee Corbyn, render what is yours - that savage imbecility which rears its kind in the demonstrable passive acceptance of the same system of war, greed, and intolerance you decry, to know only that the more desperate your portents the more blatant the actual communist demand: revolution.
>>2685506Mentally, Corbyn never left sixth form
>>2685510Perhaps that's why both him and his brother are members of the same party
>>2685406Britain used to have a refined sort of depression of the sort most intellectual types tend to suffer from, a sort of "well I'm miserable but at least I'm not a stupid fat American" thing going on, but post-Brexit it's become more and more obvious that in aggregate this country is just as dumb as the states but much poorer, it could only hide it in a pre-internet era through a sort of repressed social outlook which (having failed to conceal our innate idiocy) now consists only of downsides. It's bleak, and not in a funny way.
This country has or had so much cultural potential, now it's a pox. Britain is beaten only by Israel for negative brand value.
>>2685491I'll level with you, I've been drinking, can you drop the flourish and say your idea more clearly because I either agree entirely or think you're trying to sneak ugly ideas in the back door
>>2685529Pay no never mind to Snobjock
>>2685525Yeah I was just listening to the Thiel/Graeber debate and Graeber was talking about how all of Britains cultural dominance was because of the dole. I member back when they shut down all your community centers during the austerity wave after 08.
Bring back Jungle raves. Your rave scene looked so cool. Actually it even looked cool in my lifetime. Bring back Meow Meow. Do you guys even got drugs anymore?
>>2685529Slaves now march around the grounds of Westminster having been sold such useful and profitable ideas of freedom that all must now tolerate this parody as that for which in its sincerity takes itself to be: change.
Thus the most retrograde, backward, and servile of beliefs are summoned like so many ghosts and spirits under the colours of the bourgeois socialist's still-born corpse and its ideals that no room is offered to challenge them except in recognising the very reality they attempt to mask: naked exploitation.
To die in this cracked land at the mercy of homelessness, joblessness, or general despair in its rising levels of suicide, loneliness, addiction, and mental illness, is to go to the grave with the resignation of one who must acknowledge that from the beginning life itself meant nothing more but the result of a past agreement made as previous conditions of luxury were sold to its workers at the exchange of any hope for a future.
Ergo, debt, rents, as well as the rising tide of ignorance and poverty particular to British society which form the congenital drivers of its current "socialist" causes are little more than the reflex of a population which, fearing the butchers knife, huddles ever inward upon the main in order to avoid themselves being culled - stranding those at the outer edges of wealth within the present system to the brutality of what is little more than a slaughter, in the knowledge that it is either them or us.
>>2685529>>2685564Jollof rice for all!
Thus cries one moron in Your Party who believes much like their wretched kin that those ideals of wealth redistribution are to be found in the most childish fancies of their own insular understanding of the world, and not in that attempt to rise above the brutality of a system which immiserates and starves those less fortunate who are not so privileged with that blessed conscience they share.
>>2685573It is to this cretin, that should they ever see this post, that the following must be sincerely said: that that precious life you lead, that comfortable bed from which you rise, those morsels of food you taste, are at the expense of several in this country who will know only fear, greed, and starvation - that the profit by which you bank such kind words of equality and justice are in their wretched backwardness the same cruelty by which these general victims of your largesse must be deprived of that basic right to their own human condition.
Jollof rice for all! You miserable fucking idiot
>>2685585"Dear Britain, I have decided to throw Mcsweeney under the bus. It was for the best"
>>2685594He got turn full scumbag and just call a GE lol.
>>2685406I've been to the U.K., well, when I was a kid and it did come across as a relatively bleak sort of place, but I got a better vibe from Scotland than England. Like just the feeling on the street. The climate doesn't help but that's always been pretty bleak. You probably don't get the British Empire without a lot of bongs being like aw fuck get me outta this shite hole.
Historically, vast stretches of land between London and the coast were swamps. Probably helped prevent invasions.
>>2685603I went to the UK too when I was a teenager back in the 00s. Only London. I thought it was really lame TBH. I just saw tourist shit with my family of course. One thing I distinctly remember is all the White CHAV drunks on the bus. Old ass boomer CHAV drunks making a whole scene on the public transit. I imagine it is a day to day experience for these carless fucks.
I went to Paris, Milan, Rome, and Frankfurt on the same trip. Honestly London was my least favorite on the whole trip followed by Paris. The vibe in Italy and Germany was much better.
Brits used to be kings of rock and electronic music, when i was a kid i got psyoped hard by both cool Britannia and cool japan soft power psyops.
This always comes up, them saying we dont have the dole anymore so they cant make music, meanwhile some black kid in america is making like frooty loops beats in his bed room.
i think americans just have more ingenuity
>>2685590This I cannot accept. The thing about this country is that it is anomalous. It is inaccurate to say that those who know a half-tolerable lifestyle get it at the expense of those who don't. Everyone suffers for want of competent management, for want of - i hesitate to say - a "real" capitalist economy.
In very broad terms: the "PMC" are insufferable, I would rather eat a bucket of sick than speak to most of them for 5 minutes, but they aren't to blame. They'd be comfortable under any system. The reason that I am miserable is that we have almost the worst of all possible systems, none of the dynamism of a real market economy and none of the social protections of a planned one. Instead, we have a sort of fake meet-in-the-middle system where a QUANGO decides just how much the fake power companies in their LARP market get to bilk us for each year. All those administrators would still be employed if conditions were different (monopoly and planning aren't so different, really), but a handful of people at the top, on the actual board of the QUANGO or in parliament or - most of all -in the press and hangers-on. They've fucked it. Our socialists are merely impotent, tragic figures, unfortunate enough to pretend that Britain can be better. Britain can be better, in theory, but in practice the only better Britain is New Zealand.
>>2685643>It is inaccurate to say that those who know a half-tolerable lifestyle get it at the expense of those who don'tThis is not what is being said: it is in their mutual exploitation that those with sufficent advantage find in their own social profligacy that basis for what they believe is their collective liberation, when in fact it is nothing more than their own rank individual self-interest sufficently refracted and in turn distorted by the very lens which is combinant of these divisions projected back unto them.
This idiot in particular has taken it into their head that those limited expressions of which they are capable of are the very stuff of freedom when in fact they are nothing more than that language in which is shared the basic civic oppression in bourgeois society on the basis of the production of the individual.
That you take no issue with a fake class of workers is neither here nor there; the deck is stacked in such a manner that they will expend every ounce of energy they have in dragging their hells against the small perturbations of change they feel which those who are most exposed to the inner motions of that capitalist motor are thrashed between.
This mythical class of workers are currently defined by those with an aggrandized earning potential who not only purchase wholesale but fight on behalf of the likes of Polanski in retarding current historical developments within the British workers by selling to them the very ideology under which they are not only repressed but which is found to be more convenient in petrifying, as Sultana intends, the basis for the total social order in order to preserve whatever foundation of wealth which is presently shifting apart on which they feel themselves standing.
I take issue with this individual in particular as what essentially must be matched is this childlike ignorance of their own social class versus the stark reality to which they are opposed, being unable to reconcile in it a reality besides that which produces the most dull sparks which are symptomatic of cretins like
>>2684360 who have swallowed the belief that their own neurotic performances staged correctly are the those acts on which are built actual solidarity. Thus the idiot in that video, much like that special brand to which it is now written, engage in the most ridiculous display of stupidity by endorsing those very terms and ideals which are constitutive of their own brutal repression as a class.
The dreadful reality is that behind the applause offered to these half wits by their vacant supporters are those same historical drivers which will propel that fatal collision of these people with the violent reality that awaits them: Fascism, that self-same which they proscribe but cannot adequately enunciate because their knowledge of it is solely as that of a product driven by their own industrious propagandising which deludes them.
Do away with the "PMC" and you realise that either left or right, this is the condition of the modern worker, the situation being contemptible in that the very basis on which the most desperate of British society must appeal to these charitable representatives is one in which those who must sleep on the streets racked with addiction must face the brutal inverted parody of their own condition in one who, claiming to speak on their behalf, appears as before them as nothing more than a well paid or well meaning clown, the two being wholly exclusive.
Ah, but, Jollof rice for all! How correct she is!
That we are in a partial state of war with Russia crosses our Idiot's mind only partially. War is something to be opposed! Down with war! We must fund food banks, not finance munitions! Thus wrote Abbott's little screed for the Morning Star Online, which passed much like so much tepid air from the imagination of those jesters within Westminster who still believe in the political goodwill of a well authored appeal to the moral fundaments of this nation. Joloff rice for all! Such will miserable ideals will haunt the population of this nation in one form or another as it plunges into the growing abyss of militarism >>2685662Blud got one WhatsApp message and it changed everything
>>2685693Ah you will say, but what do we care for the lumpenproletariat? Likewise, what does a drug addict offer the workers?
To which it must be retorted that such is the face of many who simply find themselves in that state funded industrial reserve: Reform, in scrapping social welfare, mean to depress the cost of labour by reducing its value, believing such conditions of profit will likewise lead in turn to raised conditions of productivity within private enterprise when at the end of the state state contracts are dissolved and businesses swallow what is left of state services.
Thus the true torment of those who huddle beneath their sleeping bags on the way to Piccadilly is that fundamental relation which being deprived of the capacity for meaningful speech they cannot express: that their castigation from this system of wealth is contingent on those very conditions which not only enslave but render the troop and retinue which march within Your Party ignorant to their own understanding of class society.
At least in the brutality of Reform it is understood what is meant by most workers who glimpse however meagerly the parties true intent, class rule, as compared to these idiots who assemble through vague diatribes to those they manage to pull in to their meetings through the complex of their own refined misunderstandings graded ever more by their capacity to appeal to the "mass" on that sole factor of PR spin and counterspin.
No my friend, Britain is the place to be. In this circus we have every act, rich and poor.
>>2685716fate of many who simply*
>>2685716when in the end state*
>>2685693You let style get in the way of substance too much, and I say this as a big style enjoyer. I am not accusing you of using style to obscure a lack of substance, but you may well be plastering over that substance.
>>2685720There is no other way to communicate to these people as well as others the venom they deserve: their refusal to engage in a class politic is endemic of that total failure by which Capitalist society drifs in an ever retrograde fashion into that sort of ignornace which defines its decaying passage into war and Fascism.
There is simply no other way to say: "Look, you demand change, but it is not change, and likewise your demand for change is the principal formation of those forces which you are blind to; look here, Britain is on the cusp of revolution - no, you do not see? - and as conditions worsen the demands of your party must alter to meet the needs of the people, you either wear that cloak of social emancipation because you believe it suits you, or you have not understood the premise from which socialists begin".
How would you put it?
Andrew Marr being interviewed on LBC about McSweeney quitting and he calls the "left" of Labour the "extreme left" and then compares them as equivalent to the BNP on the right.
What the fuck is he smoking?
Starmer will now be hosting a private meeting for all Labour MPs later today in an attempt to persuade them he is still the man to lead the party.
Seems it's going to be his last ditch attempt to persuade them or bribe them that he should stay in charge.
But so what if he can impress a room full of landlords, etonites and sycophants?
>>2685562Still sort of exists. The underground psy scene is still very much old school rave, with a lot of the old cool cat ravers.
Problem with most free parties these days are they are filled with tryhard bong zoomers who all dress like roadmen and speak in MLE despite being white and middle class and it feels like a tryhard LARP of the past. You also have a way bigger problem with stabbings happening at them.
Psy scene leaning older, hippies and is very gatekept, still feels like the parties I was going too back in the early 2000s.
>Yeah I was just listening to the Thiel/Graeber debate and Graeber was talking about how all of Britains cultural dominance was because of the dole. I member back when they shut down all your community centers during the austerity wave after 08.08 really hit hard, you lost community centers, live music venues etc, I remember it, it was a solid 5 years of absolute nothing in terms of nightlife, me and my friend would go to gigs of artists who would pack out clubs pre-2008 and be the only 2 people in there (which was a hilarious and awkward exprience when you had artists like Sean Tyas, Simon Patterson etc playing to just me and my friend lmao). But another big part is that ironically, there is an immense monoculture that exists now due to the way every aspect of culture has been captured and commodified.
We live in an age where you have every piece of music at your fingertips, the charts are the most boring and generic they've ever been since modern charts started. All youth male music these days is basically complete wigger cultural victory, if black people like it, it's good, if not, it sucks, except modern black youth have literally the most shallow, ignorant and shittiest taste in music imaginable, so whoops.
All female music is just Taylor Swift with corpo fake alt/folk pop stars like Billie, Lana, Charlies, Sabrina, Roan etc. You even see it in the way all Zoomers dress here, it's roadmen, bowl cut/faded sides etc. Back when I was a teen if you copied someone elses outfit completely you would have been mocked into oblivion, but now you see a group of teen-20 something year olds and they are wearing identical fits and it's basically 95% of youth all dressing exactly the same.
Been following music charts and polling comps for near 30 years so for me it's extremely noticable how generic music has become. Video related wouldn't dominate charts today, nor would it even be in the top 100.
>>2685491>Therefore you find in British society that well worn ignorance which takes itself for a virtue as workers march together, pulled along by the very coat tails of their masters whom they believe now serve them with that dignity of their holding them, in their knowledge that the mere act of voting as a partially organised body renders them slaves no more because, like Sultana, they have bought into the delusional pretence that they may legislate away using the very instrument of rule, Parliament, which is used to oppress them the conditions of their own servitude. you must really despise marx, then:
<Surely, at such a moment, the voice ought to be heard of a man [marx] whose whole theory is the result of a lifelong study of the economic history and condition of England, and whom that study led to the conclusion that, at least in Europe, England is the only country where the inevitable social revolution might be effected entirely by peaceful and legal means.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p6.htm>>2685606much of the white english are notoriously antisocial
>>2685730seems that you suffer from a true scotsman fallacy, like all sectarians.
>>2686226billie eilish is better than your house. sorry.
you miss the memories, not the music.
>>2686259>Billie enlistJust whispers into a microphone over music that some studio producer made. Boggles the mind that people hate artificially generated music when most popular artists are little more than simulacra
>>2686288Not much transparency to this filthy business. Lock them all in I say until it has played out to the bitter end.
>>2686274if you want sublimity in your music, then you need to retreat to the 19th century.
>>2685643> but they aren't to blameI agree with you intellectually. However I will blame them.
>>2686341Used to get off the bus then bunk off school in that field.
Ah the memories.
I wonder what it must be like for Starmer right now. Incredibly strong week 2 weeks ago, arugably the best of his entire Prime Ministership, then by the end of the week after it looks like he's going to be knifed by Wes Streeting by the end of the fortnight.
Also hilarious irony they are looking to replace Starmer with someone even CLOSER to Mandelson. The Labour right are genuinely batshit.
>>2686344nuNewLabour's only job was to stack the party with neolibtards and to purge any and all of Corbyn's friends. With that task accomplished the bourgeoisie have no more use for the party and will happily dispose of it like a used condom, in exchange for Reform taking charge.
>>2686337>>2686341I think this says more about you than it does him
>>2686364what does it say about us?
that we arent muppets who ragebaited ourselves to death?
>>2686366Okay whatever, but your on the ragebait train as well. At least he's dead, what's your excuse?
>>2686367>at least hes deadthats not a badge of honour…
>>2686369You want to overthrow the financial system and kill the monarch, that guy just didn't want one million brown people moving here every year. You're two sets of thick cunts getting played by they same agitator
>>2686375>that guy just didn't want one million brown people moving here every year.then he shouldnt have voted for brexit 🤷♂️
and dont think reform will fix your problems, either.
>>2686377You're still doing it, parrotting the horse shit they spoon feed to you.
You are blaming the people who were deceived rather than the orchestrated themselves.
>>2686387people who lie to themselves want to be lied to.
<"It was not Hitler or Himmler who abducted me, beat me, and shot my family. It was the shoemaker, the milk man, the neighbor, who received a uniform and then believed they were the master race." - Karl Stojkai dont blame hitler for the holocaust, i blame those who actually did it with grinning teeth and itching hands. the nuremberg trial showed us that "i was just following orders" IS NOT a valid legal defence, so please spare me any sentiments about useful idiots who merrily do the bidding of their chosen masters.
if you are against immigration, okay - but exist in reality. am i saying anything wrong?
>>2686391You're not getting it, and i doubt you will. People tend to lock their mindset when arguing. I am jusy going to say that 'brexit' went perfectly to plan.
>>2686399>brexit went perfectly to plan.it must have, cos i hear farage go on about the illegals, yet never criticises the "talent" we import. here are some important stats:
<there were 729,000 young people aged 16 to 24 who were unemployed, 103,000 more than the previous year. The unemployment rate for young people was 15.9%, up from 14.4% from the year before.https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05871/<The estimated number of vacancies in the UK has been broadly flat over the last six periods; early estimates in October to December 2025 suggest a small increase of 10,000 (1.3%) to 734,000, compared with July to September 2025.https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/jobsandvacanciesintheuk/january2026so there literally arent enough jobs to go around for young people. imagine a keynesian government that forwarded the program of full employment, before exploiting the labour market with imported competition. on "indeed" you can often see how many people apply per position, and you might typically get 1,000 people per minimum wage vacancy. my sister was crying to me last night that she cant find work and its causing so much stress. a common struggle these days, while the state has no relevant priorities.
of course, in economic terms, what the tories want is to scrap the minimum wage to increase capacity for employment. its all about cheapening labour by mediated class struggle.
>>2686370RELEASE THE FILES!
there's a reason you're poor, and its not your fault:
<Fifteen years of wage stagnation has left British workers £11,000 worse off a year, according to research shared exclusively with BBC Panorama […] In fact, what are known as "real wages" haven't seen sustained growth for [18] years […] Torsten Bell, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, says that the wage stagnation of the past decade and a half is "almost completely unprecedented". "Nobody who's alive and working in the British economy today has ever seen anything like this.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64970708an extra £11,000/y would do us good, wouldnt it?
>>2686416There are plenty of jobs to go around, or rather there are plenty of things that need doing. The problem is tony Blair sold everyone the lie of
£ducation
£ducation
£ducation
And now as usual it's only the money lenders who are making money
>>2686375> that guy just didn't want one million brown people moving here every yearYes and he died on a grubby pavement whilst a smacked ran off with his aluminium ladder.
Woomp womp >>2686375>You want to overthrow the financial system and kill the monarch, You don't?
>>2686440And now he's working closely with israel as the ambassador to nu Palestine, which is just another coincidence to stick with the rest
>>2686449I'd gladly see Charlie boy swing from a lamppost, but that is a fairly radical view, is the point
>>2686460Did you ever play parappa the rappa?
>>2686440>plenty of jobsthere are "jobs", but a lack of actual employers.
here's what "indeed" writes on their website:
<When looking for jobs, it may take weeks or MONTHS to find the right role […] Aiming for somewhere between 10 to 15 applications per week gives you a good opportunity to find new positions and improve your chances of securing an interview. Broken down, this is around two to three applications per day […] The average length of time it takes for someone to find a job is around 27 dayshttps://uk.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/how-many-applications-to-get-jobthis means that you'd need to send applications to 100 jobs in a month to see the average threshold of employment. hardly efficient. theres also this:
<More than a fifth of working-age adults in the UK are deemed not to be actively looking for work, figures suggest. The UK's economic inactivity rate was 21.8% between November and January, marginally higher than a year earlier. It means 9.2 million people aged between 16 and 64 in the UK are not in work nor looking for a job. The total figure is more than 700,000 higher than before the coronavirus pandemic.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537grim innit.
>>2686341>>2686337Whilst I'm all for bashing the fash, I think it's a bit distasteful how gleeful some people are being about this, he was just some dickhead putting up flags it's not like he was Oswald Moseley. I think it's kind of off-putting to normies and even I guess myself.
if we add up economic activity (22%), unemployment (6%) and the number of under 16s in the UK (18%) then we get around (45%) or 1 in 2. so half of the total UK population doesnt work (~35 million). makes me anxious to think about all this wasted labour-power.
>>2686475i genuinely feel bad for him, mostly cos its so shameful. could have had 20 more years but decided to let the cider take over. i think whats more distasteful is having the idea of martyrdom at his funeral.
>>2686485lumpen vs prole moment 🥲
>>2686482>if we add up economic activity (22%), unemployment (6%) and the number of under 16s in the UK (18%) then we get around (45%) or 1 in 2. so half of the total UK population doesnt work (~35 million).They publish this thing called the labor force participation rate you know.
https://genderdata.worldbank.org/en/economies/united-kingdom>In the United Kingdom, the labor force participation rate among females is 57.3% and among males is 66.3% for 2024 cleveland, UK, is the most violent area of the country:
<One in 20 crimes in Cleveland is categorised as a serious violence offence.https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/curv/about-curv/violence-in-cleveland/all due to the usual suspects? 🧐
<In 2021, 97.7% of people in Redcar and Cleveland identified their ethnic group within the "White" category (compared with 98.5% in 2011), while 0.9% identified their ethnic group within the "Mixed or Multiple" category (compared with 0.6% the previous decade).https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E06000003/>>2686520>Birminghammersbrummies*
>>2686519You have to try the Cleveland Steamer tho.
Scottish Labour leader (an opportunist right wing bastard, it must be said) calling for Starmer to resign.
Possibly as part of a plan to make them look independent of UK Labour (because they're actually a craven little branch office)
Possibly the only person I'd like to see quit more than Starmer. For the last month or so he's been going on about transgender prisoners and then he let slip he thinks there are only 3 in the entire country. The anti-trans politics are par for the course but saying in public you're that mad about 3 people - it's actually 19, but saying 3 is worse - makes you look like a total bastard who'd want to bring the entire state down on, again, 3 specific but non-noteworthy people.
>>2686552looking at other stats, only 0.44% of scotland identifies as trans (with 50% identifying as non-binary and 10% identifying with either being a trans man or woman), making the total number of trans women in scotland less than 0.1% (or 1 in 1,000), the same as in the UK generally. extrapolating, the number of trans prisoners is 0.000004% of the scottish population. total number of trans prisoners in england and wales is about the same by proportion (0.000005%).
it does seem interesting then how the radical marginality of this population gets so much attention. we can see here in vidrel (7:30 - 10:30) a trans woman being stalked and harassed by tommy robinson with open celebration in the comments. but as you say, despite being 0.1% of the population, they comprise a much larger share of political discourse.
transgender people are also receiving around 32% less median income than cisgender counterparts:
<Now it's been revealed that even if transgender people have similar or higher education levels, cisgender people take home 32% higher wageshttps://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/17/transgender-pay-gap-revealed-cisgender-people-paid-32-more/they also have greater mental health issues:
<A survey found that 48% of trans people under 26 said they had attempted suicidehttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/19/young-transgender-suicide-attempts-surveyso it seems that picking on trans people is nothing more than bullying a defenceless victim. in contemporary sociology, this can be part of "vice signalling".
>>2686485What a dopey old git
>>2686519It's that old chestnut of reported crime vs actual crime
>>2686578I sometimes wonder if they're a girardian scapegoat for some intra-elite conflict, but most people into Girard are weird thiel funded rightoids and write about how TERFs are actually the scapegoat and transgender people the aggressor.
total number of trans people in england and wales:
<262,000 (0.5%) (1 in 500)total number of trans prisoners in england and wales:
<300 (0.005% total prison population)so trans people are actually under-represented in criminal activity by a factor of 1,000% making them an extremely peaceful population by relative comparison. there have also been around 4,000 transgender hate crimes in 2024/25, targeting around 2% of the total UK transgender population, making them disproportionately victims of crime (in comparison to the perpetration of crime).
thus, targeting trans people for discrimination is not only irrational, but is deeply unfair to their current conditions.
>>2686602idk. some chuds just get "obsessed" with these people theyve never met and spin fantastic webs of deceit around them. its bullying at the most basic level, but i cant help but feel that theres also a tinge of sexual sadism to the whole affair, like how trans women experience violence more often than cis women:
<Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault…https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/>>2686595so are whites also the biggest snitches in the yookay, as well?
>>2686618I would say curtain twitching is sadly an British pastime, but it works both ways. Honour killings are a feedback mechanism to stop reports being made for example
The UK is the only nation where hating trans people is a legally protected characteristic.
I used to live in reading and I once saw a guy being lashed with a belt buckle in the middle of the road. I think he was a shoplifter, but I highly doubt the police were called
Anyone heard anything from Greta Thunberg lately? Bit odd that she slid off the radar.
Also remember Greenland?
I feel like I am living in the fucking twilight zone sometimes
Landlords should be shot and I'm tired of pretending this is controversial.
>>2686626It really is one of the most credibility-busting things our legal system has found, and that's really saying something.
The EA2010 secretly legislated to protect the prejudiced and to repeal the GRA2004, somehow operating without anyone noticing until the 2020s.
I half seriously think we should abolish the supreme court and bring back the law lords. If you're going to legislate from the bench, you should be part of the legislature. Why is Your Party supporting Scottish Independence when it will lead to separate nation states, surely a negative for working towards a union of socialist states?
I can understand being in support of Scottish people having the opportunity to vote in favour of independence, but to actually support the independence itself from a left-wing perspective seems odd to me.
>>2686741The left in scotland (and wales) unfortunately remains commited to nationalism, deluding themselves that it can serve as some sort of shortcut to socialism if they only don't have to deal with horrible right-wing england 'dragging them down'.
In reality its just petty national chauvinism in their part and lazy unmarxist thinking. The moment independece in achieved their allies in the liberal nationalist bourgeoisie will ditch them and their newfound statelet will be left at the total whim of global capital.
Marxists in Your Party will have to continue to argue for the right to self-determination, meaning the right to unite as much as to be independent, and make the case for a stronger united working class not just in Britain but across all nations of the world.
>>26867411. Generally speaking all progressive forces in Scotland back independence while reactionary forces back union. As a matter of actually recruiting anyone, it theoretically offers the broadest support base (a neutral position would simply be irrelevant), although it does mean they're competing with the Scottish Greens.
2. If you were to plot it out, it's more plausible for the UK to break up under capitalism and then reunify under socialism than for the UK as a whole to go socialist without a breakup. In particular the existence of the UK prevents each country (
especially England) recognising it's own position and internal class antagonisms. Until England can be made to separate itself from identification with British imperialism, nothing good will be done. Scotland and Wales are little side shows, but they're also the emperor's old clothes…
(This is intuitive as regards the British empire: should socialists have supported its continuation on the basis that the whole lump should've gone red? Well, a similar case applies here. One could also say the same for the EU, though it's much more impotent.)
Britain is a failed post-WW2 nation building project and capitalism neither has the wherewithal nor the incentives to do it correctly. For more, see David Edgerton.
>>2686873You paint with too broad a brush: competent bourgeois rule trumps incompetent but secure bourgeois rule.
>>2686876I reject the notion that the role of communists is to organise for competent bourgeois rule.
>>2686884And by implication, in practice, make yourself look like an idiot by advocating incompetent (but continued) bourgeois rule.
>>2686890The possibility of organising for proletarian rule not even crossing your mind reveals your ultimately liberal politics.
>>2686899Possibility is one thing, viability another. You are, after all, here critiquing everyone else instead of organising. If you can bring proletarian rule before Scots can bring their independence, more power to you.
>[28/03/2025, 11:48:44] Peter M: The government doesn’t have an economic philosophy which is then followed through in a programme of policies.
>[28/03/2025, 11:49:15] Wes Streeting: No growth strategy at all
Is it still fair to call Labour neoliberal freaks if they self admitted don't have any coherent economic policies or philosophy whatsoever?
>>2687003I really am coming over on neoliberalism. Not in the sense that I've learned to love it, but in the sense that - like Keynesian social democracy before it - what comes next will be much worse.
>Corbyn got more flack for defending Ken Livingstone's comments on the 'The Haavara Agreement' than Keir got for appointing a known paedophile spy as ambassador to the US
If Corbyn got called an antisemite at least call Keir a nonce. Its only fair that the ECHR should investigate paedophilia in the Labour Party.
Non-anglo here,
From a capitalist world-system perspective,
why does New Zealand and Australia have consistently mutually conflicting geopolitical stances for the last couple of years? It's something I recently started to notice. They're barely different politico-economically so it's quite confusing to me as I'm not that informed on the Ocenanian region's placement in imperialism.
NZ seems all-in on China's belt and road, AU is a US bootlicker even militarily
NZ v AU almost always falls on different UN votes
NZ seem to have a very subdued diplomatic presence while AU appears along the hawkish "good boy" of US type (Israel, Netherlands, etc.)
>>2687260NZ has several weird conditions
- too small to be an imperial power outside a handful of tiny pacific vassals (for example, it did once bully Tonga for buying Chinese airplanes rather than continuing to contract a NZ airline. On the other hand, the Chinese airplane in question really was a poor fit for Tongan needs although iirc the Chinese did want to also build better airports.)
- basically invulnerable thanks to geography. Australia is all but unconquerable and to get to NZ you have to go through Australia, or thousands of miles of ocean. Even Australia is >900 miles away at its closest point.
- their main right-wing parties have a large number of ethnic chinese members and supporters. there was a comical point a few years ago where it kept coming out that National MPs were literal Chinese spies. they all host Chinese language websites too. NZ first is a partial exception, but NZ has the weird dynamic where Labour are more anti-immigration than national. (though, crucially, not in a cringe right-wing way like UK labour.)
- taking independent foreign policy stances is part of their national identity for various reasons that mostly amount to getting really invested in anti-nuclear politics during the 70s-80s and standing up to the US on that basis. they got kicked out of ANZUS temporarily for banning nuclear armed ships from NZ waters. (US policy was to neither confirm nor deny nuclear status, so it de-facto banned US ships)
That said, iirc NZ were slower to recognize Palestine than Australia or even Britain. What that was about, idk. Thinking about it, it's also economically odd given Australia's mineral exports to China are surely a larger share of Australian trade than NZ's agricultural exports to China are of NZ trade. Maybe it's one of those funny dynamics where, despite hostility, Aus and China are both so dependent on trade that they leave that alone while getting mad at one another over everything else. (NZ and the USSR did this, comically, in the 1970s because Robert Muldoon was a rabid anticommunist but NZ needed foreign trade and the USSR needed New Zealand mutton…)
>>2687264Disappointed at the lack of puns here
>after a little digging >we found few skeletons in the closetAnd so on
>>2686741should ireland also be part of the UK?
national self-determination liberates colonised peoples.
>>2687003starmer is an empty vessel.
>>2687232its important to know that zionists worked with nazis.
>>2687325>the jewszionists*
>>2687416>zionistsisraeli nationalists
Having special words gives them an 'out'
>>2687416>national self-determination liberates colonised peoples.No it doesn't. All it does is liberate the national bourgeoisie.
>>2687436so would you prefer it if europe never dissolved their empires?
Starmer better be gone by Friday, I have ten quid riding on it.
>>2687438Reckon you'll lose money either way
>>2687436Liberation is not a binary condition
>>2687744corbyn has never wanted to be PM
eternal backbencher
how do you deal with family, work colleagues, neighbours, etc who are raging hitlerites?
can't avoid them, can't even avoid them discussing politics because they bring it up
>>2678936can't avoid treatlers irl and on the 'net these days
>>2687936What are their opinions?
>>2687954"kill/deport all immigrants, all brown people are rapists" more or less
>>2687936id cut em off, personally.
>>2687964What do they think of trade unions
>>2687964Do you think 12 year old white girls should be the litmus test for that?
here is an exposition of "des grantz geanz" (1250 CE)
3,970 years after the creation of the world, 30 sisters are born from a greek king - they are unruly and so form a pact to kill their husbands if they should ever claim authority over them. all agree except the youngest, who tells her husband. news of this plot gets to the father, who banishes the 29 sistes to sea. after much turmoil at sea, the sisters arrive at england. the eldest (named "albina" - "the white goddess") is the first off the ship and claims ownership by picking up a lump of soil (mirroring king william at hastings, who upon arriving, picked up a handful of sand to establish his dominion over the land). in england, they find that no other humans exist there, so albina sees it right that the land should be named after herself as "mistress" of the territory; she thus calls it "albion".
after a time, the sisters learn how to hunt animals, but eat so much that they become fat, which also makes them horny [it was the medical theory of this time that because women were cold and moist by nature, being composed of water, that they had to be "warmed up" to produce sexual desire - the writer of this story thus atttibutes their fat as providing suitable warmth]. in their desire, they longed for a man, but only found the company of evil spirits who could shapeshift into men ["incubi", the same as those who impregnated merlin's mother in robert de boron's tale, written around 1200 CE]. after being impregnated, the children then had sex with their mothers, and later, brothers had intercourse with their sisters. over time, this produced monstrous giants in the land of england, then called albion. they multiplied over a period of 260 years, with the narrator also giving the specific date 1136 BCE, which is when brutus of troy and his men had come [brutus of troy is a legendary king, who slays the giants in albion, later calling the land "britain" after himself. this is first described in geoffrey on monmouth's "history of the kings of britain", 1136 CE]. other versions of this tale say that in the 260-year period, the giants fought amongst themselves so much that only 24 were left to face brutus, with brutus only sparing "gogmagog" (rev 20:7-9).
so then, albion is named after a greek princess named "albina" who arrives after 1400 BCE to an empty land. along with her 28 sisters, she has children with demons to produce giants (with these incubi still active in the 7th century CE so as to produce merlin ambrosius). after 260 years, only 24 giants are left, with brutus of troy and his men killing them, except "gogmagog". brutus then claims the land as "britain". such is our legendary origin.
[the story of the sisters bears extreme resemblance to an earlier greek myth of the danaïdes, which belongs to greek and roman mythology, the same way brutus of troy is claimed from the mythology of virgil's aeneid, 19 BCE].
found this fringe republican alliance between the "republic of kanata (canada, est. 2015)" and "republic of albion" (the UK, est. 2025). both claim to have the natural right to depose of the monarchy and even try certain people like the pope as guilty in their unofficial court rulings. the enemy of albion is apparently the crown, the vatican and the church of england, which are "corporations" (you may recall "the statutes of mortmain", 1270). the rights of common law (t. magna carta, 1215) is the platform for the movement - along with respecting the rule of oliver cromwell, with citation from an act of parliament (17th march, 1649), which abolished the monarchy, and which according to them, is still in order. you can look at their websites here:
https://republicofalbion.com/proclamation-of-albionhttps://www.kanatarepublic.ca/what-is-the-republic-of-kanata/it reminds me of the third temple church of england:
https://thirdtempleenglishchurch.com/except that they are monarchist, not republican. of course, i support this cromwellian revival, and would happily reinstate the acts of 17th and 19th march, 1649, to abolish both the monarchy and house of lords:
<On 19th March 1649 the House of Lords was abolished by an Act of Parliament, which declared that "…the House of Lords is useless and dangerous to the people of England."https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Abolition-Of-The-House-Of-Lords/Stop discouraging first cousin marriage, NHS staff told
<Hospital staff have been urged to stop discouraging first cousin marriages by a government-funded NHS monitoring board.
<The National Child Mortality Database (NCMD) told NHS staff “it is unacceptable to discourage close relative marriage in a blanket way” because parents are only at a “slightly increased” risk of having a child with a genetic disorder.
<It said genetic counsellors should meet the couple and their relatives to advise them on how to “consider arranging future marriages outside of the family”.
<The document, seen by The Times, said: “Action at community level may help people to understand and act on [our] advice; but this is only acceptable if information is balanced, non-stigmatising and non-directive.”
<Health bosses have been urged to expand an existing investigation into separate NHS guidance, which states that there is a benefit in cousin marriage, to include this NCMD document.
<First cousin marriage, fairly common in the British-Pakistani community, remains legal despite warnings that it raises the risk of children ending up with birth defects.
<The NCMD, based at the University of Bristol, has received more than £3.5m in taxpayer funding to record and interpret data on all children who die. The document was first issued in 2023.https://archive.is/veqOJ >>2688454why not just make it illegal?
you solve the problem at the root, then.
>>2688371So you're telling me this brutus of troy gayer ruined it for everyone?
Fucking Turks. shit up everything they touch.
>>2688459That would be racist.
>>2688477apparently.
>>2688460it wasnt just brutus that was turkish, but also st. george (275-303 CE) himself:
<According to an account by Metaphrastes, George was born in Cappadocia (in modern Turkey) to a noble Christian family; his mother was Palestinian.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Georgeso a turk who is the son of a palestinian. very topical.
the original patron saint of england was st. edmund the martyr (a king of east anglia who was killed by heathen vikings in 869 CE). he was replaced by st. george in 1350 CE, where he came to represent the order of the garter (1348-), the highest order of chivalry in england. he was already celebrated by st. george's day by 1222, however and had contemporary symbolism as an idol of warfare (with the red cross going back to the knights templar in 1145. later in the crusades, the red cross on a white background became entirely associated with various crusaders who used the image. in the 13th century, it became associated with st. george). his final canonisation came during the english reformation (1552), where the flags of all saints were abolished except st. george's. the st. george's cross was first introduced in the crusades but became incorporated into an official national symbol with the union jack in 1606, which only became the national flag in 1707. the scottish flag is the cross of st. andrew, ireland's is the cross of st. patrick and england's is the cross of st. george. we are all slaves to the saints.
here is the oldest english literature.
"cædmon's hymn" (680 CE):
<Now let us praise Heaven-Kingdom's guardian, the Maker's might and his mind's thoughts, the work of the glory-father—of every wonder, eternal Lord. He established a beginning. He first shaped for men's sons Heaven as a roof, the holy Creator; then middle-earth mankind's guardian, eternal Lord, afterwards prepared the earth for men, the Lord almighty.https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/159193/caedmon39s-hymn>>2688454they aren't wrong. problems only start appearing once you keep marrying first cousin after first cousin for multiple generations, then you end up looking like the Habsburgs.
>>2688499>st. george (275-303 CE) himselffucking turks.
>>2688512>problems only start appearing once you keep marrying first cousin after first cousin for multiple generationsif it is customary for a people to do this, i imagine there is a bit of inbreeding already.
>>2688459Bigamy is illegal, but the buggers still do that as well!
prelude (t. "lebor gabála érenn", 1100 CE): noah is the father of japheth. japheth is the father of europeans. magog is the father of the scythians and gaels. fenius farsaid is a scythian king and father of nel, who marries scota, daughter of the phaoroah cingris, and mother of goídel glas, who creates the gaelic language and whose progeny are the gaels. they leave egypt the same time as the israelites, wandering for 440 years until they go to iberia, where they have further course to ireland. by this time, there have been inhabitants in ireland, including the people of cessair (daughter of bith, son of noah), who arrive 40 days before the deluge (with only 3 men and 50 women remaining, with the women shared evenly among the men. when the flood comes, they all die. 300 years later, partholón and his people (5,000 men and 4,000 women) arrive in ireland but die of plague in a week. 30 years later, nemed and his people arrive, but only 1 ship makes it out of 44. they settle and fight off fomorians (giants in irish folklore). some descendents go to greece, but return after 230 years (being the "fir bolg"), establishing provinces ruled by chieftans, creating a system of kings that rules for the next 37 years. after this the tuatha dé danann arrive in a dark cloud (this race is analogous to the pagan irish gods). they come and fight against the fir bolg victoriously. the tuatha dé danann enjoy over 150 years of unbroken rule. now, after this, the gaels (who are called "milesians" at this point) travel to ireland, first with íth leading them, who is killed, and so the rest of the gaels come to avenge him. after much conflict, there is a truce, and the gaels now reside in the upper world, while the tuatha dé danann reside in the lower world (or "otherworld ") and travel into the sídhe mountains.
cessair arrives in ireland (2680 BCE)
partholón arrives in ireland (2380 BCE)
nemed arrives in ireland (2350 BCE)
fir bolg arrive in ireland (2020 BCE)
the tuatha dé danann arrive in ireland (1900-1700 BCE)
the milesians (gaels) come to ireland (1700 BCE)
albina arrives in britain to establish albion (1400 BCE)
giants emerge (1396-1136 BCE)
giants create stone henge (1380-1136 BCE)
brutus arrives in albion (1136 BCE)
brutus establishes "new troy", or london, and dies (1112 BCE)
brutus' sons establish the kingdoms of britain (1100 BCE)
civil war of the five kings (~ 500 BCE)
molmutius establishes molutine/common law (~ 430 BCE)
julius caesar invades britain (55 BCE)
cú chulainn lives and dies (0-33 BCE)
joseph of arimathea arrives in england with the grail (63 CE)
uther pendragon fathers king arthur (~ 480 CE)
battle of badon (516 CE)
jack the giant killer (~ 517-536 CE)
death of king arthur (537 CE)
death of merlin ambrosius (~ 580 CE)
lady godiva rides through coventry (~ 1040 CE)
the green children of woolpit are recorded (~ 1140 CE)
robin hood has his adventures (~ 1200 CE)
>>2689223>>2689228Also:
>Some in the party believe Shabana Mahmood, who has conservative social views but economic views on the left of the party, would be the best successorHilarious, akin to saying that so much shit scrapped over this or that side of a boot is more pleasing to look at
Screaming with fucking delight, Polanski's team have clearly at last deciphered the origin of their electoral success and have asked this jape to simply repeat the emphasis in his statements by deferring to the conventional wisdom of the British public with simplistic notions that politics is something akin to a mechanical instrument - "turn it off and on again" - believing that if they entomb what their polling figures show in voter's minds, that Britain is in need of a 'reset', then they must vote Green.
Oh you hardened of hearts! You who found ought but misery in questioning your belief that perhaps the Greens were socialists!
Capitalist propagandising is well and truly alive in this fucking magpies nest of borrowed jewels as they reduce that branch of activity within Britain - the celestial sphere of its political life - to a reflection of its status as a technical appendage in the function of its social will, in a word repeating the same New Labour metaphors with which Blair seized power.
That twenty years later Polanski comes before the British public to repeat in faith of form that which in content he eschews is no end of fucking irony in that this idiot's ambitions are clearly, not so cleverly, and less cunningly designed by the basic attempt to lasso over what remains of a dying electoral force those policies with which he aims to both appease his members and the wayward fold of the parties potential voters.
That he interposes himself as that dignified choice of the British conscience whereby its proles - or those honest British workers, as Sultana states ("who know collective power because they live it": you fucking imbecile) - must choose between its lower rank of the dying of the present system within its bourgeois democratic system and the lowered rank of racism in Reform is no end of fucking mirth as it reveals that the basic tenant of the Greens is nothing but to serve as a bandage in the haemorrhaging of wealth (How it defies explanation Polanski! But why Polanski, do you retreat from such terms as 'austerity'? It is here that some take note*) that the party cannot sufficiently explain and cannot adequately express.
Thus the Greens appear insomuch a fashion as that death rattle peculiar to this age (which all those who have worked in care might gleefully inform this nation of office workers as existing) and but part of the body of that looming shadow which grows upon this nation as that proudful man'o'war is sucked into the whirlpool of social inequality, stirring beneath it what none and all see in their capacity to serve as oracle as its doom.
Ah, but we have Your Party. How prosperous is Britain's future!
*"No no" Polanski insists, in his private meetings with his team, who oft informing him of the reality are yet again defied by the tyrannical stupidity of one who like Xerxes whips the sea, declaring that at last Britain is to endure a wealth tax! But pray, Polanski, what of the profitability of British capital? On such questions our little enfant terrible is silent, realising the gall with which he must come before the British public in his inevitable admission that those previous promises of redistribution, sufficiently attributed to momentary glee, are nothing but so much air is too much to bear.
>>2689263 (You) (You)
"But Polanski" asks our enlightened prole, "what of the care industry?"
It is here Polanski, his well-advised PR crew, and his member base, must begin to ask such questions as: "whence profit" and "Gordon Brown insists we clean up the system: how"? After some contemplation, the Greens, having rebuked themselves momentarily for asking in all seriousness such questions now jest to each other at having even posed themselves the doubt that such matters are of concern.
Thus it is that the care industry, riddled with cheap wages, overworked labour, inflated prices, and PFI schemes may continue to serve its purpose. But some among us weep! Good heavens, why? Have we need to reduce social spending costs?* Our voter base simply demands that their wage packets be sufficiently remediated with those council services which need be restored to
profitability functionality.
Oh but gracious Polanski, why alter the fucking work contract VISAs when they so clearly work. How will your members argue upon reaching power when, braced with hiked social spending costs, they must either rationalise tax rises that outstrip their constituents basic earning potential offered by those meagre levies on 'the billionaire class' or that deficit by which you will be reduced to the sort of borrowing which sunk Truss.
Polanski, ever a man of vision and shrewd statesman that he is, decries this criticism for what it is: we are not the Conservatives, therefore we shall not borrow. And so in as much amounts to this ghost of Parliament, which temporarily haunting the minds of its workers takes itself for what it is: a hollow tune in the death knell of British capitalism.
*Here Sultana raises her voice, along with the SWP
>>2689272All that remains to be remarked on this matter is that Hannah Spencer's dogs have better shoes most of this nation's fucking workers.
It is at this point, my dear comrades, that one of your own, comrades, may profess to all of you as aware of that sort of knowledge on which is built the stuff of centuries:
There are such secrets within the British state as to which its own members of Parliament are unaware that, should they be known not in truth but as fact, their very blood would run as ice as the nightmare of history condenses upon them realising that there is such gunpowder strewn beneath Parliament that not only London but the whole nation would explode into civil war.
Ah but what is this secret, some among you pry? One that is worth waiting for, I insist.
>>2689280Than most of this nation's*
>>2689272>Gordon BrownThat Brown may find mention here is for the simple fact of his being one of the few competent individuals remaining in Parliament capable of that foresight within the more general ambit of British political society which even his remaining peers struggle with, notably regarding his views on assisted dying:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/16/mps-assisted-dying-bill-law-palliative-careFor the purposes of restating an ailing premise, the expediency with which such bourgeois propagandists take unto themselves their own confused usage of the term 'rot' is essentially revealed fully in the contradictions of the state's tilt towards social care, where falling profit margins are forced to keep pace with higher rates of inflation against wage depreciation and increased unit costs, such that cuts being made by firms in their own care standards are reflected likewise in their usage of legislation which defers responsibility for systemic failures onto their own workers in order to avoid accountability save for those rare instances when abuse, the end result, is however incapably caught and documented.
That which begins at the level of concrete determination in the social processes involved in the provision of services within capitalist society and their subsequent decay are inverted in those prisms of wisdom that are its class of entrepreneurs and politicians who through the beneficence of their existence locate the measure of the issue as one solely within their own apparatus of rule, wherein the arbitrage of reproduction in the division of material wealth is reduced simply to one of profit, mistaking what is seen in custom for what it actually is in practice.
Thus there strolls a special brand of idiot through the halls of Westminster, privately educated as an Oxford socialite, who find themselves in good company as they make bold on their speeches in their opposition to corruption which are in actuality endemic to their mutual collective survival.
Again, that Brown has some capacity for foresight is seen in his basic sounding of a position for an overhaul in the Labour Party, having realised that over its duration it has been building its funeral pyre much like the Conservatives. What neither, nor any imagine within Westminster, is that that kindling which they carry into Wesminster in so many fine words, denounciations, and demands, is reflected at the level of British society which appears much as a tinderbox waiting to go up as conditions continue to deteriorate.
The situation is now inevitable given Farage's decleration within Parliament for a state of security exception to be declared with what is termed the migrant crisis; Reform given a sufficent majority will attempt to centralise the powers of the state within the executive, having been given the precedence of the home office ruling to do so with the conviction and banning of Palestinian protest groups.
reminder to read "The Rise and Fall of the British Nation" by David Edgerton
The EU parliament voted today 340 to 141 that trans people should be accepted as the gender they identify with and treated equally. 340 to 141. Not even close.
Compare that to the UK where several months ago a court led by a protestant fundamentalist former anti-gay marriage advocate serving as a judge ruled the opposite, backed by Labour, which is now the basis for British trans rights being repealed.
>>2689568ah but have you considered that in the world where the UK was the united soviet states of britain, the EU would send strongly worded letters about how we have to put railroad tracks and trains into two separate nationalised holding companies? a true economic leftist understands that sometimes you've got to throw some minorities under the bus (or train, as it may be) for historically progressive causes like lexit.
>>2689568>340 to 141thats still a big margin for the "liberal" west.
>>2689580its the feminists who are the real conservatives here
>>2689704>schools are turning my kids gayweird how fluid some people imagine gender and sexuality are. you put the wokies to shame with your social constructivism! (note: dont play violent video games unless you want to become a serial killer).
>>2689911a) It's not exactly a science is it
b) what's next? Keep an eye out for and nurture fetishes? Where do those come from?
>>2689911Also the fact that the government has stepped in to tell schools to put the patents in the loop suggests to me there is an agenda being pushed, and maybe they know more than they are letting on?
>>2690428Shouldn't there be repercussions for this legal flip flopping? It seems to convenient to me. It's just in time for another summer of JSO terrorists gluing themselves to the M1 without any awkward precedents to worry about.
>>2689944>where do fetishes come from?if we're being freudian, it comes from a sublimation of the drives during our infancy, which is presumably the responsibility of the parents. why would a grown man enjoy a woman's tits unless he was inhabiting the unconscious of a toddler?
>>2689950but what is the agenda? turn children gay by teaching them about adam and steve instead of adam and eve? i think an issue is the way in which we are so medicalised as a society, so being queer becomes sanctioned by the state rather than licensed on an informal basis, as it used to be. so as long as right-wingers designate homosexuality as a mental illness (for example, alan turing, a war hero, was chemically castrated by the british state for having sex with men, which led to his suicide), then society will experience the effects of diagnosis, especially where it concerns gender expression (one of the most subtle and volatile things in the world, as we see in history and culture). the origins of this focus on medicine goes back to the middle ages and early modernity, as foucault writes in "madness and civilisation" (1961).
>>2690538>it is imprinted during infancy Yeh that's the point
>what is the agenda Things seem to make sense to me when viewed through the lens of spite
>mug left wing vs mug right wingI just think that these 'social comstructs' that people are keen to battle against may be the only thing that is holding society together and one day you might realise that the nothing is all that stares back at you once you have won.
>>2690553>Yeh that's the pointan infant has already developed their personality before going to nursery. you seem to be promoting the outdated nonsense of a tabula rasa (blank slate), which is presumably the ideology of your nemesis, like the orwellian inner party that believes it can make you say 1+1=3, which i dont think is possible, due to our inherent faculties of reason.
>Things seem to make sense to me when viewed through the lens of spite but what is the agenda in concrete terms? if you provide evidence for a conspiracy i am compelled to believe it, but i substitute the larger conspiracy of medicalisation in its place. if you believe in mental illness as a fact of being, you have overdosed on blue pills. i am offering a more historical criticism of the systems of power we have.
>I just think that these 'social comstructs' that people are keen to battle against may be the only thing that is holding society together i believe in the social contract, so society is always substantive before it is politicised. thats why i believe in the common good more than partisanship.
>>2690560>an infant has already developed their personality All this stuff is nebulous at best, and a 4 year old is still an infant in my book
>what is the agendaWhy doesn't a cuckoo bird build its own nest? I suppose you could call it a biological niche.
>blade blah social contract changing the subject don't care >>2690567>le jewish feministsbut its the feminists who are transphobes…
youre all over the place, mate
give your head a wobble then get back to us
>>2690575It's called 'swinging the pendulum'
And perhaps a smidge of 'framing the debate'
>>2690578if the omnipotent jews control left and right, up and down. if they decide what you watch, eat, drink and breathe, then why do you even participate in public discourse? im a jew, youre a jew. we're all jews, surely? or are you the last honest aryan bandying about, eh? sort your head out.
>>2690581I never said any of that, you're just projecting
>>2690585>projectingoh, right, im the antisemitic one, not you. gotcha. 👌
thing i cant stand about you lot is how cowardly you all are. hating jews is mainstream now. let it all out.
>>2690586are you one of these "your brain doesnt stop developing til youre 40" people?
>>2690597the academy was literally created by paedo aristocrats like plato. no need to keep it going, especially when evidence suggests that its impossible to maintain full literacy in a population without reinforced discipline. guild systems seem more authentic, especially since the ends of school is a division of labour anyway.
If schools are turning kids gay that's in the bottom 10% of reasons to hate them. The damage our "education" system does to people both academically and personality wise is immeasurable. Being gay is nothing compared even to a lesser school sin like (say) nurturing credentialism.
To elaborate on why both the biological determinist and propagandistic reasonings for gender and sexuality are retarded undialectical:
If peoples skills were determined straight out of the womb, either every child would immediately get 1 + 1 = 2 or those that don't would never get it. We have reliable models for the broad strokes of child development and most of them rely on active engagement with people and the environment, a function of society. It sounds dubious to say, there are biological determinants for something as historically contingent as gender. I for one can confidently say, i am not the same person i was 5 years ago and my child-self was wildly different. If your life experiences never compelled you to change as a person, i pity you.
On the converse, the same society conditioning people into cisheterosexuality inevitably gives rise to its opposites, or anything else would have been eradicated by now. The norm is inherently pathological and where abolishing gender is the radical solution, the reformist approach is to inoculate kids against destructive ressentiments and lessen the self-hate some of them will inevitably have to face. Teaching children that the gays aren't icky plague bearers and that gender-nonconformity isn't automatically mental illness shouldn't be controversial. Neither "making the children gay", nor unquestionably reproducing every bumfuck tradishuun is inherently moral.
>>2690652>i am different than what i was 5 years agothen why arent you different to what you was 5 seconds ago? you are being arbitrary as to what a person is. the development of personality is teleological. you change, but only become what you always were, like a seed blooming into a flower. supposing radical contingency is materialist fluff that leads to no satisfaction. when you sleep, are you dead?
>abolishing gendernot-so-subtle trans erasure
go and march with the TERFs, namefag.
>>2690650And that's just the English people!
>>2690675>then why arent you different to what you was 5 seconds ago?Why aren't haven't you suffocating in all the shit that comes out of you? uygha has never heard of the transformation of quantity into quality.
>a seed blooming into a flower<What is natural adaption, what is growth, what is vernalization?>>abolishing genderI'm not advocating against "reformism" i.e. affording a modicum of decency to people. Given the current material conditions, this is a philosophical point more than anything. To reiterate, neither transhumanists nor cissiety are inherently moral
though you could make a case for the former on an situational basis.
>>2690699>quantity into qualityyour biological cells are constantly dying and being replaced - so why arent you always becoming new?
>affording a modicum of decency to peopleyou sound very condescending. i think trans women are women. you clearly see them as pitiful fools.
>inherently moralagain, i am being ontological, not ethical.
>>2690697aye!
>1 in 4 (26.7% / 931,000 people) adults in Scotland experience challenges due to their lack of literacy skills.<1 in 8 (12% / 216,000 people) adults in Wales lack basic literacy skills.https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-literacy/who would think that the welsh would be the most literate amongst us?
>>2690708>experience challengesYou can get by in Wales with a few phrases:
"well howbeya boi?"
"Ahh tidy, tidy"
>>2690704>your biological cells are constantly dying and being replaced - so why arent you always becoming new?Why do you assume the very concept of personhood is a factor of biologically is well. Obviously our external and self-image are socially mediated and personality changes the same way our perception of others does. Hell it can even be roughly approximated by training an LLM on a sufficiently long chat log. There is no deeper biological truth to this, than the fact our thought patterns are mutable and we identify by differentiation.
>you clearly see them as pitiful fools.Everyone is and some of them a lot less so than cissoids. It is imperative to recognize the artificiality of these relations, even if we have yet to disrupt them.
>again, i am being ontological, not ethical.Your attitude towards nature reeks of moralism. I can concede as much as there being tendencies in newborns, yet there is nothing to say these tendencies ought not to be eliminated in service of something else. They have been for millenia and the way they have wasn't any worse for "going against nature", but for the internal contradictions they inevitably gave rise to.
>>2690723>Why do you assume the very concept of personhood is a factor of biologically is well.you invoked quality and quantity, which is a notion that things change with processes. i presume you to be a materialist (thus speaking in the heraclitean fashion about flux) so i invoke the fundamental processes of change which occur in the body to show you that personhood is permanent, not temporary, to experience.
>Obviously our external and self-image are socially mediatedso society is the medium, but what is it transmitting?
>Your attitude towards nature reeks of moralismit is good to be good. guilty as charged.
>going against natureyou cannot "go against" nature, you can only resist the inevitable. in libidinal terms, this is called "repression" which nonetheless remains subliminal.
>>2690745>i invoke the fundamental processes of change which occur in the body to show you that personhood is permanent, not temporary, to experience.So you claim personhood is altogether divorced from these processes, because otherwise it would be "too volatile" or is this some vulgar materialist deduction i don't get. What a load of crap!
>so society is the medium, but what is it transmitting?There is no Internet without an internet. The individual is interpellated by society and only then can personhood be constituted in relation. Naturally, a change in material relation engenders a change in consciousness.
>you cannot "go against" natureMan has done nothing but resist and subordinate the natural ghetto their species emerged in. You are no less delusional than the conservatoids you decry, yet curiously you project your "natural" society into the future.
>>2690779Name something that *hasn't* had a dick put in it. The only thing i can think of is the elephants foot in chernobyl, but thats probably how that first guy who found it died.
>>2690786>>So you claim personhood is altogether divorced from these processesin some sense, it must be. either we remain ourselves or we are constantly changing.
>The individual is interpellated by society and only then can personhood be constituted in relationif hypothetically, everyone in the world vanished, would you cease being a person?
>Man has done nothing but resist and subordinate the natural ghetto their species emerged indoes man not also possess a nature? you are supposing an inherent distinction which i see no need for.
>you project your "natural" society into the futurethink of it categorically. if i am not natural, then i am unnatural, but what does it mean to be unnatural?
>>2690650£122bn a year well spent :)
>>2690795>if hypothetically, everyone in the world vanished, would you cease being a person?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/feral_child?useskin=vector>muh human nature>what does it mean to be unnatural?Nature as a category is determined by the human point of view. It is constituted by those processes resisting human comprehension and utility. This is the dialectic Engels describes in his example for the thing-in-itself turning into a thing-for-us, that of Alizarin and other synthetic dyes, that man has wrested from the previous, more natural processes of extracting dyes from plants and animals.
>>2690809so man inherently occupies the place of the unnatural, and it is this subjectivity which determines nature? forgive me for my ignorance, but nature existed before man and will exist after him, and still, man has an inner nature himself, which is only part of a greater whole.
>>2690819i dont care about marxism, i care about the truth.
sorry you cant think for yourself.
>>2690821>In addition, there is yet a set of different philosophers — those who question the possibility of any cognition, or at least of an exhaustive cognition, of the world. To them, among the more modern ones, belong Hume and Kant, and they played a very important role in philosophical development. What is decisive in the refutation of this view has already been said by Hegel, in so far as this was possible from an idealist standpoint. The materialistic additions made by Feuerbach are more ingenious than profound. The most telling refutation of this as of all other philosophical crotchets is practice — namely, experiment and industry. If we are able to prove the correctness of our conception of a natural process by making it ourselves, bringing it into being out of its conditions and making it serve our own purposes into the bargain, then there is an end to the Kantian ungraspable “thing-in-itself”. The chemical substances produced in the bodies of plants and animals remained just such “things-in-themselves” until organic chemistry began to produce them one after another, whereupon the “thing-in-itself” became a thing for us — as, for instance, alizarin, the coloring matter of the madder, which we no longer trouble to grow in the madder roots in the field, but produce much more cheaply and simply from coal tar.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/ludwig-feuerbach/ch02.htm >>2690831remember when people thought 100 men couldnt beat up this thing? 😂
>>2690876>i want to kill people because they disagree with my religionhow "materialist" of you… 😬
funny though - you literally cant think for yourself and only refer to your holy books for guidance. ever think that youre in a cult?
>>2690884No. The fact you are an idealist means we have nothing further to discuss. If you're denying material reality, i have no means to convince you of anything of substance, for the simple fact you positively cannot be reasoned with.
>>2690894>denying material realitywhat am i denying of reality? i am adding to it.
you are the one full of contradictions, claiming to be a person, yet to be a person constantly in flux. you claim that man is an unnatural being despite being born from nature. you make no sense, not even to yourself.
>>2690901This is the beauty of it. The natural world is reflected in our minds and it saddens me to see you grapple with it like a child flummoxed by Xenos paradox. You ridicule this definition of nature, yet contradiction comes with the territory of human thought and historically contingent verbal categories foremost. You must be blind to look at a flower blossoming and not see a part of the world destroyed and reborn.
>>2690921you deny the existence of the flower, and claim that there are only changing shapes of indiscernable entities. you lack the proper abstraction to locate the permanence of objects in the world. its in this way that materialists deny reality, because they deny the possibility of knowledge. you have no grounds for contention because you claim no belief in anything.
>>2690921Hate to be that guy, but you've become the one thing you stormed into this thread looking to deplore
>>2690927If i can make the flower bloom and wither, that is proof enough. Knowledge is undoubtedly the reflection of the natural world within our minds, which is the very thing you justify your solipsism with. Not only are your views infected with terminal idealism, they're also undialectical mechanism by such a degree, reading the preface to the Phenomenology alone would instantly sweep them aside. That is all.
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