We have to rig Hungary's election. We have to finance organizations that will rig Hungary's election and ensure a victory for anti-imperialist comrade Orbán.
<Polls show that there's a good Chance Orbán will lose the next election. Chances of this tard attacking Ukraine to reclaim Hungarian inhabited areas and to postpone an electoral defeat just got a bit higher.
We have to ensure Orban wins, lets fund some organization that rigs the election or donate to the party of FIDESZ.
>>2684844fervent zionist viktor orban
Some facts you might not know about Orbie & co.
>Fidesz starts off as a liberal anti-communist group of lawyers
>they get Soros buxx to study in Ingerland
>after the regime change they realize that liberalism isn't popular
>they change to Christian nationalism in a matter of months
>Western media praises young Orbán as someone who will drain the post-communist swamp, etc.
>instead, Orbán starts supporting the local bourgeoisie and halting the privatization drive
>wtf, orbán is the devil, better get the post-communist "socdem" party back
>Öszöd speech happens
>we are stuck in forever Orbán land
>his "building the national bourgeoisie" is just making friends and family into billionaires
<<<<still better than the outright compradors
it's all so tiresome
I think commies shouldn't vote for either Tisza or Fidididdly
>>2684849And Putin? So what?
Guess what, most of the "AES" nations recognize Israel too.
>>2684859No Orbán will attack the nazi liberal EUNATO Epstein colony of Ukraine and aid the SVO, critical support to Orbán is needed.
>>2684859Yes Orbán's oligarchy is anti-imperialist, let him destroy Ukraine.
>>2684881That is one of the ugliest party flags I've ever seen wtf was the artist smoking?
Fuck the german antifa retard. 8 years are too lenient, put a bullet in his shitty head.
Hungary and Poland should be nuked.
>>2684844>critical support for anti-communist nationalist leaderCertified multipolarist moment.
>>2684849Hes an anti-imperialist zionist so hes based.
>>2684896It is *critical*, it's right thete in the name
The government of the chudjaks, for the chudjaks, by the chudjaks.
i hope magyar wins and does 32382 billion austerity to fund military operations or something
>>2684891B-but if she punched baby hitler?
>>2684924Against whom? They are pro-Ukraine
>>2684844Orban larps as anti Ukraine but funds pro Ukraine media in Slovenia. Now with Fico existing I couldn't care less if he gets removed (after all, Hungary is pretty poor)
>>2684978for ukraine, it's what hungary deserves after like 20 years of orban
>>2684896Honestly given that Europe and America may be going their separate ways in the near future there's an argument to be made that Orban is actually not the multipolarist candidate. His opposition to European integration is something that would weaken Europe's ability to form an independent pole and properly break with the US.
>>2685457
>US has like 100k soldiers on the ground spread around 30 bases from Romania to Germany
It's actually more like 60-70k, and more than half of them are in Germany. Additionally those bases can't operate without the cooperation of their host countries. It would be impossible to supply or maintain them without this. They aren't some kind of checkmate that guarantees US dominance in Europe in perpetuity.
>>2685468
Why do you think it's a bad thing for Europe to break out of the US orbit?
>and I shit on Iran/North Korea/Cuba/etc.
I don't shit on any of those countries. In fact I regularly speak out in support of them.
>as countries who have ZERO US bases on their territory
Cuba actually does have a US based at Gitmo.
Bumped
Hungary to block 90 billion euro EU loan to Ukraine in Russian oil dispute
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/20/hungary-to-block-90-billion-euro-eu-loan-to-ukraine-in-russian-oil-disputeHungary to block 90 billion euro EU loan to Ukraine in Russian oil dispute
Hungary to block 90 billion euro EU loan to Ukraine in Russian oil dispute
Hungary to block 90 billion euro EU loan to Ukraine in Russian oil dispute
ANTI-IMPERIALISM
APOLOGIZE NOW
>>2698598Not happening, MLs took the route they did and now you have to settle for the lesser evil leftovers
this is the inevitable result of ML
>>2698647you mean realpolitik where there are always lesser and greater evils because universe doesn't care about your feelings or your ideological ideals?
Hungary is a completely irrelevant country without natural resources or a large population in an irrelevant region without a large population or natural resources? Why should anyone living outside of there care about its politics?
>>2698828because it's a veto power within the single biggest economical market on the planet.
>>2698886It’s not a province of China or a BRICS member (yet)
Why don't we have any leftist movements besides the socdem Szikra retards aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I hecking love social democracy, make the rich pay am I right guys?
>>2684898More like social darwinist. Still useful against EU though.
>>2685002Not because of Ukraine though. He supports his satellite party to get access to the country for his capital rather than because of Slovenia's impotent foreign policy.
>>2684859The Fidesz movement is perfectly and profoundly revolutionary because Orban is a revolutionary.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
>>2698828>why should I careNobody is begging for your attention. You are welcome to fuck off.
>>2684844if orban looses serbias ruling party is fucked and will go into meltdown by the end of the year,i still cant decide if that is good or bad though,the young student movement isint ready and everything else is worse then shit.If he loses the next 2-4 years will be a anarchic free for all and i doubt the left here will be able to size on that.
Based Orban should invade nazi uKKKraine, and free the Magyar minorities ASAP
>>2755535The Z stands for Zion so it's antisemitic even
How are you guys still caping for capitalist governments? Have you all completely abandoned communism? Why aren't you working on creating your own independent working class movement? Why are the only two options available is either support West aligned capitalists or support East aligned capitalists?
>>2684844uhhh how about we rig for the proletarian instead? #owned
>Super reactionary Zionist who supports the imperialist invasion of Ukraine
<he is le based
>>2684844Bitch won't ne missed
>>2774310how did he let himself go so bad? im sure a head of state has access to ozembic in this day and age.
NYT article about elite defections:
>The latest of these was Viktor Norman Virag, a former senior member of the National Bureau of Investigation, who on Wednesday told Partizan, an opposition media outlet, that 80 percent of his work involved “meeting political expectations,” which in one case meant dropping a case against a Russian suspected of being a cybercriminal.
>Others who have broken ranks with the government include Szilveszter Palinkas, a captain in the military who was featured on recruiting posters and attended a military academy in Britain at the same time as Mr. Orban’s son, Gaspar.
>Another defector was Zombor Berezvai, who recently quit as chief economist at the Hungarian Competition Authority, a state institution under the control of the government. Explaining his departure, he told Partizan that he had been prevented from investigating businesses tied to Fidesz.
>Their decisions to abandon ship came as Fidesz slumped in the polls behind Tisza, an upstart opposition party led by Peter Magyar, himself a former Orban loyalist who split with the governing party in 2024.
>The polls could well be wrong, as they were in the United States in 2016, but the mere prospect of change has loosened bonds that were based less on ideological affinity with Mr. Orban than on dependence on Fidesz-controlled institutions for steady work and career advancement.
>>2777443>PartizanLiterally Soros paid "independent" media, btw. (They admit it, so no need to debate this.)
Fun fact, back in the day the Fidesz core was paid by Soros to study in Britain. Back when Fidesz were the "good guys" (=anti-communist liberal youth). As soon as they fell from grace (started to implement sovereignist policies) Soros realized they were the bad guys now.
We have to have SEX with orban
>>2777535im committing
VOTING FRAUD for Orban
Now that the Great Satan has been humiliated by Iran and we're seeing the beginning of a Euro-Amerikan split. Can we stop pretending that Orban is some kind of based anti-imperialist?
>>2777559This. No one on /leftypol/ should support any European country besides Belarus. Nuke them all and let Luka rule over the ashes. EU = fascism, austerity, privatization, capitalism, liberalism, etc. Burn it all to the ground.
>>2777562Based. Total Euroid Nuclear Annihilation.
>>2777535>We have to have SEX with orbanHe's fat, bro
>>2777559Well, he's against the fucking Ukronazis, so that's a big up
>>2777568But he is 100% for Zionazis, the great satan of the world, so he can go fuck himself.
>>2777568Sorry but fighting Israel and the US is more important than russian adventurism
>>2777570The reason Orbán (&co.) are pro-Zio is twofold:
1) Before the Fidesz takeover the native Hungarian Jewish population was entirely pro-libs. Fidesz "addressed" this "problem" by fucking creating their own Jewish sects:
>we give you pro-zionism, you give us political support2) Israel gave Fidesz the Pegasus technology, which allows the gov to spy on Android and iPhone phones (mostly used against journos).
In terms of actual "support" for Israel, it's mostly just words words words. Like, Hungary has no real impact on Israel's economy and so on.
(Thank you for your attention to this matter.)
>>2777571kys burger, etc.
>>2777572>It doesn't matter that he loves zionazis including Amerikkkans and supports them in their imperialist goalsReported for zionism
>>2777571>it is more important [FOR ME, FOR HUNGARY] to fight a random ass fight in the Middle East, than for Hungarians to weigh in on a War literally happening NEXT TO THEIR BORDER, where they have significant Hungarian minorities being fucked over by their anti-minority policieswhat did Americans means by this?
>>2777573>RANDOM POLITICIANS FEE FEES vs. ACTUAL MATERIAL SUPPORTsilence, burger
you are three million times more guilty of supporting IssraHELL as a taxpayer than any Hungarian.
Just kys.
>>2777574Hungarians are on the street demanding russia out of their country.
>>2777576>I-It doesn't matter that I and my country's leaders love zionism and jewish supremacy and get the seal of approval by zio hitler and are supported by the imperialist amerikkkan mightZiozister….
>>2777577Let's assess the "foreign agent" population inside Hungary.
I'd say as a NATO and EU country (((westoid))) agent presence is like 90%. 5% is random (the rest), and then you have (maybe) 5% Russian agent presence.
You are literally a fukken lib if you focus on fukken 5% Russian agents instead of 90% NATO glowies.
kys
Americans.
etc.
>>2777577>BLM protesters are out on the street demanding the end of racismhow did that go, btw?
>>2777578Stupid asshole, nobody in Hungary gives a fucking shit about Israel, ten thousand miles away. They do, however, care about ethnic Hungarians being fucked over by Ukronazis right NEXT TO THEIR BORDER.
Americans.
>Trump prefets Orbán
>Putin prefers Orbán
<Brussels hates Orbán
it's like sovereignty is on the ballots, or sg
orban is not a comrade
>>2777587Obviously, BUT he's the souvereignist candidate, and according to ML:
national bourgeoisie > comprador bourgeoisie. 🇨🇳 🇻🇳 🇨🇺 🇰🇵 🇱🇦 🇷🇺 🇧🇾 🇷🇸 🇭🇺 🇮🇷 🇧🇫 🇪🇷 🇳🇪 🇲🇱 🇾🇪
AES ALLIANCE STANDS WITH ORBAN
>>2777579>You are literally a fukken lib if you focus on fukken 5% Russian agents instead of 90% NATO glowies.Damn that sounds like bad news for Orban broski
>>2777588>and according to ML:>national bourgeoisie > comprador bourgeoisie.Yeah that's because ML is a bourgeois ideology.
>ML is a bourgeois ideology.
Discussion ended here.
You are an Epsteinite.
Americans.
>>2777592You are a Timmy
Gravy babies.
>>2777595So JD Vance is anti-imperialist?
>>2777610It's more like saying you have a cuck fetish, but you have decided you have a cuck fetish, so it's based. That's 21st century sovereigntism.
Anyone who offers "critikkkal" supports Orban can never call themselves a Communist ever again.
Honestly at this point you might as well just announce your critikkkal support for Israel and Hitler too.
That is to say, you are so multipolarity-pilled and third worldist-pilled that you've reached the point of being openly Hitlerian and pro-Fascist.
You are a Duginite anti-Communist plain and simple. In the words of BE you don't give a shit about Communism and just want to see the first world suffer.
These are not meaningless insults. Allow me to run down some facts;
>Fidesz was literally founded as an anti-Communist youth movement.
>It's explicit organisational aim is to destroy the socialist state, and to dismantle any remnants of socialism in Hungary.
>Fidesz chief spokesman Kovács stated the current Fidesz government aims to "get rid of the remnants of communism that are still with us, not only in terms of institutions but in terms of mentality".
>On Marx's 200th birthday Fidesz released a statement saying "Marxist ideology led to the death of tens of millions and ruined the lives of hundreds of millions. The celebration of its founder is a mockery of their memory".
>Fidesz has been systematically destroying all statues and symbols of the socialist era and it's achievements.
>Fidesz engages in historical revisionism forcing schools to teach nothing good came of the socialist years, only repression and murder by evil leftists.
>Fidesz owns 80% of all public media in Hungary
>Fidesz has undergone widespread privatisation of formerly public land
>Orban is Israel's closest and staunchest ally in Europe, and a close personal friend of Netanyahu.
>Orban is Trump's closest and staunchest ally in Europe, and his personal friend too.
>Fidesz is closely aligned with white supremacist and far right populist organisations across Europe.
>Anything LGBT is censored. LGBT is forbidden on TV, books have black bars blocking out any LGBT content, trans people have no legal rights and aren't recognised as even existing in society, cannot get ID, etc.
>Quite possibly the most comically corrupt regime in history, with Orban building a giant 2 billion USD+ football complex right outside his own house, in a village of a few hundred people, using tax payer money
>Billions are siphoned from tax money and state assets into party member's Dubai accounts every year, there's literally whole cargo freighters sailing Hungarian state property to Dubai penthouses this very week.
Support for Fidesz is support for fascism and support for Israel.
>>2777622TRVTHNVKE
FLY THE FLAG OF A RESTORED SOCIALIST HUNGARY FROM THE LIGHTPOLE ORBAN IS HUNG FROM
>>2777622Wow no wonder he is BFFs with Cucktin. You could copy paste all of this and replace Hungary with Russia and it would still make sense.
>>2777622Argumentum ad hitler, epiKKK style.
>>2777622>Gay ppl can't get IDs in HungaryThis is what bourgeois media does to a uygha's mind.
>>2777724
"Anti-imperialist" who will uphold American interests in Europe as the rift between the EU and the USA widens.
>>2777735Ah, yes, the famous ex-socialist imperialists! Poor Germans have to shop in Hungarian owned shops and bank in Hungarian banks!
😭
>when the ex-socialist state extracts more value from the periphery than the ex-fascist italian and spanish states
magyar moment
>>2777622This is literally true for any eastern yurop country though
>>2777732Given that the split is happening because America is aligning more towards multipolarity and anti-imperialism Hungary aligning with them over the Davos System is objectively a good thing
>2777760
retarded bait
>imperialism is when I can't legally change my gender™
Lenin would be shocked by this newest theoretical relevation!
>>2777740Hungary is part of the periphery, you retard.
>>2777724
>its the "trump is better than kamala because hes not imperialist" bullshit again
holy shit how many times will leftists fall for it
>>2777806These faggots make it their mission to fall for every single nationalist psyop
>>2777724
Leaving the Russo-Ukraine issue totally aside, how is supporting Israel's genocide and occupation of Palestine and Lebanon "anti-imperialist"?
You are inverting reality and calling supporters of settler colonialism "anti-imperialist".
>>2777793>>2777713>It's actually based that LGBT have no human rights and get denied ID cards needed to take part in society or live! Heil Netanyahu!>*Totally ignores that Orban/Fidesz is asset stripping the country and sending all its wealth abroad while making it his mission to destroy all remnants of socialism and brainwash children that it is the ultimate evil*Hazite - Duginite morons. You Hitlerian IDpol obsessed reactionary fifth columnists will be the first in the Gulags if there's a ever a successful revolution.
>>2777816>/pol/yps and local degenerates joined together in supporting the mutt from Hungary because he plays the controlled opposition part all too well in the EUSad
Orthodox Christian ☦️
Marxist-Leninist ☭🚩
Anti-Imperialist ✊
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Death to AmeriKKKa
West is 🏳️🌈🕎
Fuck druggies 💉🚫
Anarkiddies 🤡🚫
Infantile ultras 🪑🚫
Homos 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚫
🇨🇳 🇻🇳 🇨🇺 🇰🇵 🇱🇦 🇷🇺 🇧🇾 🇷🇸 🇭🇺 🇮🇷 🇧🇫 🇪🇷 🇳🇪 🇲🇱 🇾🇪
GLORY TO AES
>>2777806Nobody denies that Fidesz is anti-communist or bourgeois. The problem is that so is the opposition cheered by Brussels. The guy running against Orbán was a Fidesz member 2 years ago and when the gibs stopped he became oppo. He's also a fucking conservative and muh anti-lgbtqia, so I have no fucking idea ehy you faggots would pretend he's any better.
This is a national vs. comprador bpurgeois election, fyi.
>>2777816>LGBT have no human rights in HungaryAre you seriously retarded? Like you do understand that if a gayfag gets beaten by a skinhead in Hungary, when caught, will get jailed, right?
>>2777821It's an economic fact, lmao.
>>2777841>But if people literally lynched you up they'd still get in trouble for it!There's more to having rights than that you disingenuous /pol/yp
>>2777857How is a far right populist, ultra-zionist, anti-communist, culture war obsessed, reactionary regime led by the most corrupt oligarchy in Europe the (in your words); "most important anti-imperialist struggle of the 21st century"?
You are like a little Hitlerian mushroom, your millions of fascist spores are desperately looking for any surface to cling to. Disgusting /pol/yp.
/Pol/yp thinks keeping those "revolting gays and dirty gypsies" as I'm sure he'd put it cleansed out of an ethnically pure white Hungarian Hitler-state is a more valid and important "anti-imperialist" struggle than the literal genocide happening in Palestine.
These people are trolls or nazis or both.
>>2777852Please explain what you mean by "lgbt ppl gaving no HUMAN rights" in Hungary, or in Russia, for that matter.
>>2777857Many such cases. Enjoy (Western) leftoidpol.
>>2777863>far right populist, ultra-zionist, anti-communist, culture war obsessed, reactionary regime led by the most corrupt oligarchy in EuropeThat's literally Ukraine, dog.
>>2777867>dirty gypsiesBruh, FYI, 90% of Hungarian roma ppl vote for Fidesz.
>>2777882Try waving a gay flag in Moscow and see how the authorities treat you, troll
>>2777895>Try waving a symbol made up in Imperialist Parasite Hell in an imperialized country, and see how locals respondInterdasting.
>>2777897They should have killed him on the spot, but Kádár was too much of a HUMANIST cuck.
>>2777839>Nobody denies that Fidesz is anti-communist or bourgeois. The problem is that so is the opposition cheered by Brussels. The guy running against Orbán was a Fidesz member 2 years ago and when the gibs stopped he became oppo … This is a national vs. comprador bpurgeois election, fyi.Eh, Magyar is probably going to win because Hungarian porkies who backed Orban for 16 years are flipping sides.
Like that's the funny thing about it. It's like a dialectical collapse where a thing is undone by its own contradictions. What that means is the blue-haired libs in Budapest are voting for Magyar who is a conservative, but the Orban system gives them no other option because it's impossible to defeat Fidesz without everyone grouping up in one big-tent / catch-all anti-Orban party which is also led by a bunch of ex-Orban guys. Then there's this sovereignty language but that means Hungary is stuck with higher prices and inflation (some of the highest housing costs in Europe now) because Hungary has to buy oil from Russia. Then you have the U.S. trying to back him up. And all of this has allowed Magyar to play the role of the Hungarian national sovereigntist. Also the birth rate is collapsing below their neighbors even though the trad conservatives who like Orban are all about reversing that, but the country just isn't functioning outside of Budapest.
There's even a Hungarian pedo scandal that's like a mini-Epstein thing.
I don't think any of this has to do with socialism BTW. The left-Orbanists aren't. It's just bourgeois politics all around.
>>2778045>Like that's the funny thing about it. It's like a dialectical collapse where a thing is undone by its own contradictions. What that means is the blue-haired libs in Budapest are voting for Magyar who is a conservative, but the Orban system gives them no other option because it's impossible to defeat Fidesz without everyone grouping up in one big-tent / catch-all anti-Orban party which is also led by a bunch of ex-Orban guys.This is accurate.
>Also the birth rate is collapsing below their neighbors even though the trad conservatives who like Orban are all about reversing that, but the country just isn't functioning outside of Budapest.Doesn't matter, really. Orbán was importing fucking Indonesian workers (of all ppl) to Hungary anyway, as guest workers, and like 200-300k of them. They are officially le anti-mugration party, but in reality the needs of capital dictates. Fidesz is OK with young Hungarians leaving to the West to work there and send back those sweet, sweet remittances to their families WHILE having literal third world guest workers handling the factories on the soil.
It's your typical conservative hypocritical thing.
>There's even a Hungarian pedo scandal that's like a mini-Epstein thing.Overblown, tbh. TL;DR: orphanage director rapes kids. Who would have thunk? Good old Dzerzhinsky, after he was done executing the bourgeoisie, started and managed orphanages, and laid down the theoretical work for that every communist should follow.
Fuck orphanages, btw. If your country has state orphanages in the 21st century, you are barbarians. Incentivize and/or make mandatory adoptions. Every orphanage should be empty, ffs.
/off topic, sry
>I don't think any of this has to do with socialism BTW. The left-Orbanists aren't. It's just bourgeois politics all around.Hilariously, not a single poster ITT mentioned the actual "left" coalition running this election: Munkáspárt (Worker's party) + Szolidaritás Mozgalom (Solidarity Movement).
>>2778080>Ziztersget a life, honestly. you don't understand JACK SHIT about Hungary or its upcoming election.
>>2778094Perhaps a dance off in protest will help your favourite anti imperialist win, zizter….
>>2778097only if they are dressed as frog
z Tanks need to roll into Hungary again and execute both of these libs
>>2778131Thank you, Mr. Brussels!
>>2777863He's pro-Russia and that's the only thing Ztards care about
>>2778332Traditions of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living and when they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things they conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language etc. etc.
>>2778333Go to sleep, lib.
>>2777832what ever fags have done agaisnt you lol to get mad at them
>>2778444Dey put da temptation into his heart. Him bepis tingle a but when he saw da gay. Timgle make him uneasy.
Record voter turnout reported.
>>2778437So I can wake up to the news of Orbán losing the election?
>>2778485Orban already lost this election 5 months ago we're just waiting for the receipts.
>>2778437Why do you hate communists so much?
Why do you love Israel so much?
>>2778501Why did you kill your wife?
>>2778528why did you stop taking your meds?
Is it over? Our strong man lost?
>>2778530I'd say zizters would be on suicide watch but they've been on it for a while because Cucktin keeps losing in the free market place of ideas
ᴉuᴉlossnW just lost to the Liberals and the Z cultists are losing their minds ITT
Why is there even a thread for this?
It's just burgeoise democracy pointless theater
>>2778534For the last time, you fucking deranged liberal, it's a contest between a conservative and another conservative. That you cheer for the comprador conservative even though he will not give you any cultural concessions (muh trans ID) reveals your class interests.
>>2778537It has enormous geopolitical consequences, you fucking retard.
>>2778530Don't worry, there's still plenty of time to cheat.
>>2778538i hope he wins just so your favorite elderly goring impersonator has to get a job
>>2778539Least hyperbolic hungarian
>>2778538Shut your hitlerite ass up z-tard.
It's a straight competition between a run of the mill liberal-conservative and an anti-communist far-right populist white nationalist neo-fascist oligarchy that is actively diverting tax money and state assets to Dubai.
You're choosing Hitler over Biden because you're a deranged Z schizo Duginite-ᴉuᴉlossnWte.
Obviously Biden is still bad, nobody is happy to be stuck with a Biden. But between Biden and ᴉuᴉlossnW, you're choosing the latter.
And your overwhelming hatred for minorities, particularly homosexuals, irradiates from every single post you make. What's that about?
>>2778542>Orbán is le Göring>Putin is le Hitlerand lib is le lib
>>2778544>anti-communist far-right populist white nationalist neo-fascist oligarchy>You're choosing Hitler over Biden<Hitlerlib
>>2698591That's literally his electoral strategy. The first picture he published about himself on social media was an AI enhanced image. During the first days he became famous on Facebook, most of his supporters were 40-something women saying he is hot. Of course his meteoric rise on social media, Facebook in particular, can be explained by the fact at least two people in the central leadership of his party work for Meta or have high-ranking executives working for Meta in their family :)
Fidesz's communication can be very base, like stirring up rumors about their opponents' sexuality (happened more than once), but at least they have a few concrete policies they can point to. Magyar and his party are all about posturing and nothing else. I'll give it to the CIA/MI6-funded opposition that that's a lot smarter than pushing openly pro-Ukraine candidates.
>>2778549i called him goring because he looks like goring
>>2778551I don't think stuffing your old schoolmates' pockets with public money is considered "concrete policies".
>>2778548Yup, but the whole system was fucked from the beginning, with the necessary alliance between socdems and communists since the latter group was mostly killed off due to the Hungarian soviet falling, communists being hunted by Horthy, and intbrig deaths in Spain. The Hungarian DotP started with a coalition of basically Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, which haunted it to the very end. Rákosi's purges didn't remove the more reformist wing either, which is to say it wasn't principled, instead favoured those loyal to him, plus the Rajk trials were just insane removal of some of the best cadre. That Kádár could rebuild legitimacy after 1956 was in itself a little miracle, but this was at the cost of constant concessions given to the softies in the party, whom'st, after the regime change, outed themselves as just unprincipled opportunists, starting their own companies, looting state assets, and so on, as soon as the DotP seized to exist.
BTW, all of this could have been evaded if the Ukrainian general during the Russian civil war ordered by Lenin to attack the Kingdom of Romania to help the revolution spread to the West, namely to Hungary, didn't refuse the order.
It literally could have went Russia -> Hungary -> Germany -> Findland -> (and take your guess)
but 1 ukro fucked up
>>2778552You called him goring because you are idpol obsessed lib, which is to say boring.
>>2778557no i'm pretty sure i called him a goring impersonator because… he looks like goring, i don't think it goes any deeper than that
>>2778557You despise communism with all your being.
Your entire ideology is hating minorities and uncritikkkally worshipping cucktin.
You take this so seriously they you will support the most hardline zionist and neo-fascist ruler in Europe.
And ironically enough, you are totally obsessed with idpol. Your obsessive disgust and hate for LGBT people consumes you.
Idpol rules you and yet you say anyone who doesn't likewise despise minorities is being idpol obsessed. It's insanity.
>>2778551>Fidesz's communication can be very baseI remember that back in the 90's even the conservative main media organ, Magyar Nemzet, used to be at least 'respectable' in the sense of having a civil tone inherited from the socialist regime, and the liberals were doing their high autism score shitposting in their widely respected journal, Élet és Irodalom. Now Magyar Nemzet is basically yellow press rag with insane fideszniks screaming their lungs out at young people, while Élet és Irodalom is read by less then a thousand people and their entire high autism score shitposting is about russophobia: "poootin is gonna fucking keeel us all!!!!!!!!1111"
The level of civil discourse never been lower than this, but then comes in our fucking social media hussar, Magyar Péter, and he lowers the bar even further to Gronk speak:
>U gay<No, u gay>u molestor the children<no, u is pedophile>u putin puppat<u brussex puppat>ooga booga<ooga boogaeri hate it
Daily reminder that Orban is a close personal friend of Bibi Netanyahu. Support for Orban is support form Palestinian genocide and "Israeli" imperialism.
>>2778559Yes, it's going to be a shitshow. I expect results no sooner that 22-23 pm local time. People already report 2 hr+ waiting times at the booths. Plus record amount of people voting from abroad could make this even more chaotic if the results are close.
>>2778562>Your entire ideology is hating minoritiesThe only minority I hate are the bourgeoisie, son. I have no idea why you are projecting your idpol shit on me.
>>2778564What material support did Orbán give to Israel?
delulu
>>2778045>Eh, Magyar is probably going to win because Hungarian porkies who backed Orban for 16 years are flipping sides. The capitalists who are the closest to Orbán (as in his literal son-in-law) will stay loyal either way and will take over the possessions of the businessmen who decided to switch sides. Western NGOs have already enable the infinite money cheat for the opposition so they don't need any local support.
I'm pretty sure that when it comes to handing out bribes to gypsies, it's handled by these most loyal businessmen or actual party members. Fidesz already accusing Tisza of handing out bribes (meaning the opposition tried to compromise
their operation), but I doubt that it will be successful.
>>2778568>I'm pretty sure that when it comes to handing out bribes to gypsies, it's handled by these most loyal businessmen or actual party members. Fidesz already accusing Tisza of handing out bribes (meaning the opposition tried to compromise their operation), but I doubt that it will be successful.The "gipsy bribe" narrative is borderline racist. The vast majority of rural gipsies vote for Orbán because … drumroll … he gave them fucking jobs, while the liberals didn't give a shit about them. Sure, shitty jobs, sometimes pointless or demeaning jobs, but it's still better to be a stable wage earner than a lumpen, and the roma know this.
As for bribes, in general, all parties do it, however Fidesz had the most $$$ to be the most visible one. Typical cases involve party activists ringing your doorbell two days before election and giving people living in "commie blocks" a sack of potatoes. (My friend, a commie, took Fidesz potatoes every election, voted for commies consistently.)
The only gipsy-specific bribe I can think of is with their "cigány vajda" shit. (Basically a locally respected, well off, usually shady, gipsy dude wearing a round black hat.) If you give the guy half a million HUFT (~1300 EUR) he'll keep half of it for himself, and buy you votes from his community by giving the rest to a dozen families. But then again, this isn't really Fidesz-related, but medieval vestiges of the "vajda" and "vajákos" idiocy that many roma have to suffer to this day.
And again, whenever this topic is brought up, one must reiterate:
>the biggest losers of the regime change were the gipsies>socialism delumpenized them in 5 decades, capitalism relumpenized them in 5 yearsthank you for your attention to this matter
>>2778553The government subsidizes things like utilities and they also introduced a fuel price cap because of the US/Israel-Iran War. They are probably right to claim that the Western-aligned opposition will try to end "dependence on Russian oil and gas" and as a result the policies I've mentioned earlier, especially with a former Shell executive as their to-be Minister of Finance.
There are also the tax cuts for mothers. Like it or not, Tisza has no real answer to this. First some of their members claimed they want a progressive tax, then later when Fidesz started attacking them for this, and in the end the leader of Tisza claimed that that is a LIE and PROPAGANDA and actually they wanted further tax cuts all along. Also many of their members said that "we can't share the full details of our economic policy", which can't be interpreted in any way other than "we want to introduce austerity".
Okay there are few things Tisza says. Fidesz oligarchs are bad, our former executives from multinational companies are good and oligarchs who defect from are also good (this includes Magyar Péter himself.
Of course there are other parties running in this election and almost all of them are better than the two main parties (which is a pretty low bar), but all of you Western retards who consume Western MSM refuse mention them.
>>2778575>"we can't share the full details of our economic policy", which can't be interpreted in any way other than "we want to introduce austerity"So much this.
This was the REAL reason for every time Fidesz won. The Enlightened Good Guys with Politically Correct Views took over, did an austerity (but with gay rights on the side), and then the population suffered economically and went back to daddy Orbán who at least gives them crumbs.
This time it's even more hilarious, because there will be no Enlightened Gay Rights on the side either, cuz the guy's a fucking conservative. It's just gonna be Gyurcsány 2.0 in the sense of a completely inexperienced cabinet filled with yes-men will shid and piss for 3 years after which they collapse on themselves, if they win this thing.
>>2778575These are spectacle meant to keep them in power, not real policies. Their tax cuts disproportionally benefit those already well off. Their idea of solving the housing crisis was to give people loans (that could be used to buy property to rent…). Meanwhile those already below the poverty line are left to starve. Public utilities are neglected. Healthcare basically collapsed. Their shitty price-caps wouldn't have been needed if they managed to do anything with their unlimited power other than robbing poor and putting their money in their friends' pockets.
If Tisza wins today it won't be because they are so desirable, but because the people had enough of Orbán's bullshit.
>>2778578This never actually happened. In 2002 the socialists won due to their welfare policies. In 2006 they were reelected to continue that but due to the economic crisis that did not happen and instead came austerity that put Fidesz back in power. "The Enlightened Good Guys with Politically Correct Views" never won an election.
The most ridiculous part of this election is that the leader of the opposition is a former Fidesz oligarch. He was given a bunch high-paying bullshit jobs just because his wife was the Minister of Justice and he basically acted as a liason between the partially foreign-owned, partially pro-Fidesz oligarch owned private banking sector and the government. He also had few corrupt dealings himself. This should abominable even by liberal standards, but for some reason they love him. This is because liberalism is primarily about the rights capital and these people have quietly accepted that in a country like Hungary where the state dominates capital (this doesn't necessarily mean socialism ofc) and not the other way around and therefore capital can only reproduce itself through the state, they too must accepted being patronized by the state, while at the same time being performatively anti-Fidesz. All and all, this says a lot about how "radical" the (liberal) opposition is.
>>2778583>These are spectacle meant to keep them in power, not real policies. Their tax cuts disproportionally benefit those already well off. Their idea of solving the housing crisis was to give people loans (that could be used to buy property to rent…). Meanwhile those already below the poverty line are left to starve. Public utilities are neglected. Healthcare basically collapsed.These are factual.
>If Tisza wins today it won't be because they are so desirable, but because the people had enough of Orbán's bullshit.Also factual.
>Their shitty price-caps wouldn't have been needed if they managed to do anything with their unlimited power other than robbing poor and putting their money in their friends' pockets.Lib-brained take, tbh. Anyone who complains about "interfering in the SACRED FREE MARKET" needs to fuck off. Price caps actually helped the poorest strata, if you ever go to a hungarian 'piac' (small producers' market) you see elderly people and poor workers buying price capped produce.
ALSO, to deny that the triple crisis of COVID/Ukrowar/EU-wide inflation (which now has a fourth component, the gay of Hormuz), was beyond Fidesz's control is insane.
>In 2002 the socialists won<<<<<<<<<<<"""""""""""""""""socialists"""""""""""""""""They were always neoliberals.
>"The Enlightened Good Guys with Politically Correct Views" never won an election.SZDSZ?!
>>2778587>>If Tisza Biden wins today it won't be because they he are so desirable, but because the people had enough of Orbán's Trump's bullshit.Guess where that led America? Back to Drumpf
>>2778587>Lib-brained take, tbh. Anyone who complains about "interfering in the SACRED FREE MARKET" needs to fuck off. Price caps actually helped the poorest strata, if you ever go to a hungarian 'piac' (small producers' market) you see elderly people and poor workers buying price capped produce.i mean maybe they could have invested more into agriculture rather than putting artificial price caps on them
>>2778589Yeah, Thats why I don't think Orban is going to do a coup or something, he'll let Magyar win, just before making sure his loyalists are safe and secure, Magyar isn't going to do anything to fix the country's problems, and Orban will come back at the next election because the rest of the opposition will have been compromised by their alliance with Tisza.
>>2778587I'm not against interfering with the "SACRED FREE MARKET", FIdesz just did in their usual braindead way.
>They were always neoliberals.Does not matter. They won due to their promises of welfare policies, many of which they actually implemented.
> SZDSZNever won an election. In the 2002 election, where Fidesz lost their government, they got 2,89% of the votes. Claiming that "The Enlightened Good Guys with Politically Correct Views took over" is just ahistorical and sounds like projecting USA political dynamics on Hungarian politics.
>>2778591>the rest of the opposition will have been compromised by their alliance with Tisza.Tisza did not ally with the rest of the opposition, because they did not want to be compromised by them.
>>2778589Difference that a lot of Amerikkkans don't seem to comprehend is that Orban isn't just le European Trump, he's like the love child of Trump, ᴉuᴉlossnW, and a local burglar.
>>2778592Alliance wasn't the right term, I meant that they backed down to let him win, He's become the main opposition figure no one else even comes close to him.
>>2778590Neither of us is going to vote for either of the two big parties, but don't act like Fidesz ruling for 16 years straight is purely because of pRoPAgAnDa and omnipotent Russian spies or something.
>>2778593>What material support did Orbán give to Israel?If you weren't a dishonest and uneducated idpol obsessed hitlerite cucktin worshipper you'd know Orban is the sole person responsible for blocking EU sanctions on West Bank settlers and bans on goods from such settlements entering Europe.
>>2778600I don't think anyone is claiming that. The point of contention is whether 16 years of Fidesz was a total disaster for the Hungarian working class or just merely not that good.
>>2778600well i am not a liberal, nor the original poster, i just think those sorts of policies are going to be controversial precisely because they don't work and use government funds for a largely ineffective method of reducing the price of agriculture
>>2778593>>2778601Lol if the EU was serious about it they would do it regardless. They have already overridden Hungary and Slovakia on Ukraine.
>>2778591>Magyar isn't going to do anything to fix the country's problemsCore EU laws protect the sanctity of private property.
Ex post facto laws aren't an option either. How is Magyar going to break up le oligarchy again?
>>2778592>> SZDSZ>Never won an election.yet they been in the ruling coalition how many times?
>>They were always neoliberals.>Does not matter.Fuck you too.
>>2778605this fucking campaign has been going on for… two years? already
no wonder everyone is rushing to vote
>>2778606No, you see, it's evil Orbán's fault that Gaza is genocided. Without Orbán the EU would be 110% pro-Palestine and anti-EU-colonialism, FOR SURE
>>2778609>without Orbán the EU would have passed a strongly worded letter with no further consequencesYou got it backwards. It's not that Orbán is literally Hitler! It's actually that Hitler was Orbán!!!!!
Americans.
>>2778609Don't care about Orban. If the EU was serious about opposition to Israel, it would do something regardless of a single vote, otherwise it's just virtue signaling. "Welp, we tried!" What's pathetic is pretending that the EU is wholesome smol beans exclusively held back from doing the right thing by putinist spies, and not an imperialist chauvinistic force through and through.
>>2778618That's pretty dope design though, after the revolution they should just remove the arrow cross and make it the headquarters of the Hungarian KGB
>>2778614Yet orban spends his time blocking those to protect Israel
>>2778616No one is doing this retard
>>2778620>and make it the headquarters of the Hungarian KGBYou're not going to fucking believe this…
>>2778620>make it the headquarters of the Hungarian KGB>>2778629>>2778630kek
>>2778641Keep running defense for settlers bro
>>2778642
>pro-Kremlin far-left
Whomst?
>>2778639Must feel good to mock Palestinians Zionist
>>2778643>Hungary, the butcher of Gaza's childrennobody buys it, buddy
>>2778642
forgot to mention all the retarded claims about Russian secret service envolvement in the elections which is retarded because liberals have been saying for a decade and a half that the reason why Fidesz winning is unfair is because they achieved this by they taking over the economy with their corrupt oligarchs
on the other this is how western glowies would justify their own involvement
>>2778644i fucking which, it's a literal joke party made up of artist types
Can't wait for this fat zionist "multipolarista" eat shit and see all the ziggers seethe
>>2778648oh, dude, Orbán is literally Hitler, but Putin? He's MEGA-Hitler, controlling all the smaller hitlers.
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
>>2778650but what is it called
>>2778649i just dont want sanctions and a civil war
the countries financing the opposition are the ones sending weapons to israel btw
>>2778650>i fucking which, it's a literal joke party made up of artist types* nihilistic, lumpen, drug-abuser, student-types
(please don't drag through the mud actual artists)
>>2778655Kétfarkú Kutyapárt
>>2778656>the countries financing the opposition are the ones sending weapons to israel btwYou are GIGA-MEGA-Hitler for saying this
>>2778655Rézfaszú Bagolypárt
>>2778662>Copperpenis Owlfascinating
watching oppo-media (=NGO/Soros funded) live streams on YT.
So far:
>uhm, akshually, every thing Fidesz said about Brussels involvement in the elections is wrong cuz… lol… reasons
>uhm, akshually, I'm a gay man and Fidesz fucked me big time (also my parents are literal haute bourgeoisie and we travelled a lot to foreign countries when I was young)
>uhm, akshually, I'm an expert in Serbia, and the bonbing of the gas line is fake, cuz… other Western Experts™ said so
>uhm, akshually, Putin is the devil, and Orbán is "Satan's little helper"
wow, the intellectual power behind the ""opposition"" blows my fucking mind
>>2778663It comes for bad children at night and he uses his copper dick to violate them, so you better behave.
>>2778664Literal false translation.
He didn't say "too many ppl are voting" he said "many ppl are voting".
Please delete your false Brussels propaganda pic ASAP
Why are we being raided by anti-communist zionist cucktin fanatics?
>>2778665>another gay person "working" in the "fashion industry" is invited to the live stream, he starts with saying how he has a very wealthy family backgroundlol
meanwhile, actual leftists in Hungary have been emphasizing how all the fucking foreign-imported LGBT shit has been dominated by haute-bourg gay-types, instead of prole-gays.
Can someone give me a quick rundown on these elections?
>>2778694also, libs started the myth that "Orbán is a gypsy!!"
like, these are the supposed pro-EU totally tolerant and-what-not ppl that are weaponizing racism against Hitler 2.0
>>2778694Welcome to eastern europe, where liberals are fresh out of dropping Palestinian children off of buildings.
guys dont worry we just have to support 1 more fascist zionist and the US empire will fall please trust me bro just vote for 1 more fascist i swear dog the US empire is about to fall you just need to support israel harder just 1 more
Another police officer HAS HAD ENOUGH
“I have been serving for 20 years! I served in my hometown of Szolnok as a national guard, then as a police officer for 16 years! I do NOT want to serve politicians, but my nation, my homeland, the truth!” This is the opening line of Dániel Gilszki’s post as a police officer, which he published on election day. Gilszki lists a few things he has “had enough of”:
* that politics has decimated the police force nationwide,
* that politics is keeping my leaders in check, ruining them, intimidating them, forcing them to serve current political demands with a tenth of the force in addition to our daily basic tasks,
* that morale has been at an all-time low for several years. There is no perspective in the profession at any level,
* that I work in three places to create decent conditions for my family, because the police profession is deeply underpaid.
“We have been fighting ‘close combat’ in our everyday lives for a long time, beyond our strength! Every day, every night, every weekday, every weekend, every holiday. Just like soldiers, ambulances, prison workers, firefighters, NAV officers and secret services! As a police officer, I do not play politics! But as a father of two children, I consider it my duty to promote a better and happier future in the way expected of me, as I do in service when I pursue crime! I want a just, politics-free POLICE, not leaders chosen based on loyalty, but professionals serving the public interest in leadership positions,” he writes.
As he writes, he is aware of the possible consequences, but cannot “carry this burden any longer”. ACCOMPLISHED AMONG CRIMINALS, WHO IS SILENT! – he adds.
what will happen if ordan rigs the election
Magyar has denied reports that Tisza supporters are gearing up for violent protests in the event of a loss to Orban’s Fidesz party, writing them off as “scare stories and lies.” In a video shared on social media, he described the election as a “regime-changing referendum,” and claimed that high turnout is a sign that the Hungarian electorate wants change.
Earlier, a former Tisza insider claimed that the party’s EU backers are encouraging Magyar to prematurely declare victory and instigate riots if the final tally goes against him. A document purportedly detailing this strategy describes the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine as a template for the opposition leader to follow.
11:40 GMT
Tisza party defector Balazs Csercsa has claimed that foreign advisers are pushing Magyar to declare victory “as soon as possible on election day – even prematurely if necessary.” Should Magyar lose, he is advised to mobilize his supporters and encircle government buildings, provoking police into a harsh response.
>Intra-liberal struggle in post-soviet shithole
Ok
Orbler has won
>>2778765>shitholeyou are an Epsteinite.
>>2778776'Democracy' at its finest
>>2778793Moving to hungary RIGHT NOW
>>2778793>horthyGorky was right about femboys
>>2778793Ironic given people dressed like that would be thrown in ovens if Mi Hazánk ever took power
>>2778807please post the part of their programme where they say they would, and I quote, "hrown in ovens" femboys.
fyi, Mihazánk has several hilarious latent gay candidates. one of them was caught live streaming with "thai ladyboy" porn vids opened in the bg
>>2778810Do you believe fascist regimes treat homosexuals kindly?
>>2778813Homosexuals do not want to be treated kindly, they’re all sadomasochistic which is why they’re attracted to fascist aesthetics
>>2778813they're democratic fascists, even such a party wouldn't institute total fag death
>>2778815big if true!
>>2778813can you answer simple questions?
>>2778837I accept your concession. Not sure why you're defending a self declared fascist party though.
>>2778839>self declared fascist partysauce?
maybe bring up the Mihazánk funding paper where they say this openly?
>>2778856
ALL GAYS AR INHERENTLY PROGRESSIVE AND CONSIDER THEMSELVES UNDER THE BANNER OF LGBTQIA+!
NO BOURGEOIS GAYS OR FASCIST GAYS EXIST.
GAY = INHERENTLY GOOD
IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE A FASCIST ZIONIST HITLERITE OLIGARCH PUTIN PUPPET
>>2778856
>Nazis loved gays!
This is holocaust denial.
>>2778863
Funny how there's so many Nazis, Fascists, Zionists, Cucktin Z warriors, homophobes, transphobes, etc in the pro-Orban thread
>>2778863
i can also admit the truth that you need a job
>>2778868I'm merely a youphobe. Fuck Orbán too.
>>2778877
gay people were systematically genocided during the holocaust though
>>2778878him needs to rest in piss
it's like the putler-obsessed lib poster ITT is also false-flagging against himself with his spooked up duginite or sg
>>2778882
they liked it so much that there is pretty much no direct testimony for them?
mods
clean up off topic ww2 homocaust posts
thx
>>2778873
>>2778877
Why are Hitlerites permitted here?
>>2778895
This is a leftist website (see the front page). Leftists, communists, anarchists, from Anglo countries are welcome here.
Why however, would a Nazi come here to bash gays, deny the Holocaust, and try to generate support for a personal friend of Netanyahu?
>>2778873
one's degree of homophobia is correlated with stupidity and conservatism inside their society
that is: in afghanistan even the very intelligent, very liberal afghan will be homophobic by western standards… but he's still progressive by afghan standards. in america, a conservative may well be liberal by historical standards, but he's still (and this is a well shown correlation) stupid and closed minded (which is why he's a conservative and not a liberal/leftist)
viewing these things as binary (homophobic/not homophobic) prevents you from seeing the underlying trends and correlations. (negative correlation between level of homophobia - normalized for society - and intelligence, open-mindedness, etc.)
>>2778900
sex in general is gross
>>2778900
>Or you can just admit gay and lesbian sex is gross, disease ridden, and antisocial
How is lesbian sex more "disease ridden" than regular meat and potatoes penis-in-vagina sex?
>>2778902this
>>2778901and this
Zionist fadeszcist bros… not like this.
>>2778900
"gross" > the subjective judgement of a low openness mind.
"disease ridden" > untrue, particularly for lesbians. note, however, that you hid this one in the middle between two non-reasons even though - if true - it'd be the only real argument!
"antisocial" > subjective impression of a high conscientiousness (e.g. rule following - highly correlated with conservatism) mind probably from a low-openness environment.
the big 5 is powerful stuff!
>>2778905
>Heterosexual sex is at least potentially productive
which is gay
>homosexual sex is pure recreation and amusement
which is based
>I am prodOOOOCING children, I am being prodOOOOCTIVE
the last bastion spooks of the animal-like natalist
>>2778908
men eat pussy just the same
>>2778901
Communists are a sub category of leftist. Not sure why Duginite/Hazite/Hitlerite types get so hung up over this specifically.
>>2778914>Communists are a sub category of leftisthahahahha, oh, wow
<communism is a sub-category of bourgeois politics >>2778913>>2778915eating pussy is actually… GAY?!
>>2778916you need to go back to the infrared subreddit
>>2778915
If the pussy you're eating is infected with HPV. If you put your dick in that same pussy you'll get HPV too. I highly doubt the overall occurence of STDs among lesbians is higher than among straight people, if you have a source on that then post it.
>>2778919>[everyone I disagree with] is [this random eternally online obsession I have]go back to ISG, anglo
>>2778922no zionist tells me what to do
>random political event in bumfuck nowhere
>anglo logs in
<WHAT ABOUT PALESTINE, HAVE U THUNK ABOUT THAT
why are anglos like this? are they projecting their guilt onto others?
also we have gotten so far off the original point of the thread it's ridiculous
>>2778927the lib/fash alliance have to shit up every non-anglo thread with their anglo dirt
>>2778927Thread shouldn't have been permitted in the same way you wouldn't permit a pro-Trump or pro-Netanyahu thread
>>2778926you're a zionist and hate gays, deny the holocaust, and are eternally obsessed with idpol and supporting the most reactionary politicians in power. why are you here?
>>2778926>WHAT ABOUT PALESTINEYeah I will do that actually, zionist. Anyone who's a friend of Israel is an enemy of humanity.
>>2778934>you wouldn't permit a pro-Trump or pro-Netanyahu threadit is allowed by site rules, fyi
(No it's not, rule 12) >>2778935anglo tax payers did more for isn'treal than Hungarian tax payers, fyi
>enemy of humanityspooky humanist shit, miss me with that
>>2778936great. the idpol obsessed gay hating zionist hazite will probably make pro-MAGA and pro-Israel threads too now.
>>2778938if you disagree with the site rules you should start your own subreddit
>>2778937What about the average anglo tax payer vs. Orban himself? I don't support the "average anglo" for prime minister, but you support Orban.
>>2778860this is true and every zigger will get raped by a queer humanities major after the proletarian revolution btw.
>>2778937You also supported Trump the anti-imperialist on here right, didn't you?
>>2778941I don't support either bourgeois party.
>hundreds of millions of anglo taxpayers vs. one orbanyou really actually think that orbán is like SatanHitlerᴉuᴉlossnW, right?
just how mindbroken are you?
>>2778945I support whichever candidate is more destructive to the Empire. The Trump -> Biden -> Trump sequence was just fucking perfect.
>>2778946>I don't support either bourgeois party.Then why are you in here seething because people are pissing on this zionist pig's grave (inshallah)
>>2778940If you despise leftism you should go back to /pol/ or r/Israel or wherever you came from
This is LEFTIST politically incorrect
>>2778955I already told you that this is a comprador vs. national bourgeois election and MLs classically considered the latter more historically progressive. No ML would vote for bourgeois parties, however. I'm sorry if nuance is so hard for you.
>>2778956Leftism is bourgeois, communism is proletarian. Simple as.
Sorry for being superior to your idiocy.
>>2778736>voted for a neolib again awardleftists are retards and this is why you will never win
>half of NGO/Soros media's YT live feed content includes "experts" talking about how Fidesz will manipulate the results in order to win and is preparing the audience for Maidan-style resistance against an unfavourable result
<meanwhile, Boomer Orbán just said that he will congratulate the oppo leader if he wins, because that's the civil thing to do
this is going to be a shitshow, innit?
>>2778972I'm still not a leftist. I'm still a communist. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>Fidesz-oriented YT livestream:
<either the next weeks will be a happy one or we'll get into a "I'm exterminating my own family" mood
<they laugh
oh, wow
>hurr durr i'm not a leftist i'm a communist hurr durr
these people are the worst
>>2778981"These people" are the ones who actually studied the history of the continent's politics, philosophical development, and Marxism's relation to it.
I'm sorry you feel insecure about being called out as the little bourgeois tool you are by implication, but the very fact that this correct position pisses you off legitimizes it even more.
idk, maybe stop being a lib?
>Someone placed an astonishing amount of money on the online gambling site Polymarket on Viktor Orbán's victory. In the final moments, on Saturday afternoon, someone placed $280,000, or 89.5 million forints, on the Hungarian Prime Minister.
>>2778987In that case you seem to be lost, this site is called
leftypol, but consider checking out r/communism, I have a feeling you would fit there better.
>>2779012I'm okay with tolerating bourgeois dirt like you here because you guys are always wrong and never learn.
>>2779016True commie praxis is not being an antagonistic piece of shit
>>2779020confirmed for not having read Engels, Marx, Lenin
>>2779028
reported for bourgeois propaganda
>>2778740>They're just tired of Orban's corruptionWhich is probably true, but it's also bizarre that Hungarians at this point in the Ukrainian conflict are supposedly desperate to cut themselves off from Russian oil and authorise 90 billion Euros for Ukraine. Both of those acts will surely lower their standard of living, but to state the obvious, you'd fight corruption because it's a limitation on improving the standard of living.
>>2779028
>man who never read Marx claims Marx didn't predict X
>"leftist" mask off moment(s)
Polls are now officially closed. People who got in line before the deadline may still cast their vootes.
Last time this meant a ~+2 hour delay in revealing the results, because by law they can not reveal anything unless EVERYONE who wanted to voot vooted.
Orban shills itt on suicide watch lmao
>>2779065Zorbán
zisters, not like
zis!
>>2779077
he's the Juan Gaydoh clone of Orbán
>look up election
>it's right wing vs right wing
so what's the difference between these two exactly
>>2779084one of them is pro-brussels & pro-ukraine and the other is pro-russia & Israel
how does being imperialist-endorsed make one an anti-imperialist?
>>2779088>I'm late, and not willing to read the threadyawn
>>2779090I'm late for the mental gymnastics?
>>2779084Tisza / Magyar Peter are your traditional standard liberal/conservative, pro-EU, pro status quo party and are neutral about Russia-Ukraine and have been pretty much silent about Israel and LGBT stuff. Their politics are the kind of shit you'd hear coming from Biden or Obama. They're the challengers in this election.
Fidesz / Orban are far right populists, rabidly pro-zionist, MAGA, they're officially an "anti-communist" party, have repealed LGBT rights and censored LGBT books/TV, engaged in open corruption and sent billions in tax money to offshore accounts and Dubai over the past 16 years. They're also big pro-Putin supporters and repeatedly are the only people to block EU sanctions on both Russia and Israel.
>>2779086>one of them is pro-brussels & pro-ukraineTisza aren't even pro-Ukraine, they have a party policy of neutrality and not sending any money or resources to Ukraine.
It's just the Fidesz by contrast actively supports Russia.
>>2779098if you think Juan Guaido will be pro-LGBT you are a naive idiot. The guy was literally a fidesz aparatchik and oligarch 2 years ago.
>>2779102I don't expect they'll be good. Magyar Peter has been intentionally silent on the topic for a reason.
But Orban is actively repealing rights rn, so it's impossible for any opposition to do worse that is currently happening unless they straight up outlaw homosexuality.
#Hungary, parliamentary election poll:
TISZA: 55 %
Fidesz-KNDP: 38 %
MH: 5 %
MKKP: 1 %
DK: 1 %
This is not an exit poll but the poll was done over the last 3 days.
21 Kutatóközpont, 11/04/26
<It's over multipolarity sistas
>>2779102Which should tell you that this election doesn't matter at all. Some of you will just say whatever the opposite of what libs think at the moment. Who gives a flying fuck about which liberal gets to rule western Mongolia?
>>2779103Who pays you to be like this?
You're aware Orban could just swap to getting gas from Turkey and lower the bills are a result if he didn't want to use the Ukraine war as a political tool, right?
>>2779106
ok, anglo
whatever you say, anglo
>>2779108Are you retarded? The pipeline was laid down during socialism, it directly runs from Russia to Hungary and Slovakia.
Are you accusing Slovakia also of being Putin's puppet?
>When fucking materially existing infrastructure disproves your hallucinations. >>2778551Orbanists:
>Nooooooo you have to vote for Fidesz otherwise Monke will KILL US ALL!!!! Peter Magyar is a faggot!!!Magyar MILFs:
>OMG he's so hot!!!>>2778735Patriots in control
We need to invent a new slur for people who are plainly neo-nazi/zionist on all topics but then try to hand wave any criticism by saying "muh multipolarity" "muh idpol" "woke" "you're anglo/ukranian/a firstie" "communist not leftist" or who just straight up sperg out in all caps.
>>2779114shut up lib, adults talking
>>2779105How does it turns out in terms of seats tho ? There is a scenario where MH is Kingmaker.
>>2779111If you weren't a disingenuous troll you'd know there's more than one route to get gas and oil onto Europe.
Hungary could swap to the Turkey route if it cared to, and it would be cheaper for the public.
But they wont, because it doesn't benefit Orban's personal bank account as much.
>>2779111With Fico in power? How is that even a question?
>>2779116funny how you got offended by criticism of nazis/zionists
>>2779120>you must use the longer, costlier line with less capacity, because that's what morally upstanding citizens like us Germans do"no"
>>2779124Funny how when there's a route that bypasses Ukraine, you reject it. Just proof your position is about corruption/political benefit for Orban rather than the interests of the ordinary people.
>>2779130Nothing is acceptable except the complete destruction of the azovite regime.
>>2779134No one voted. Leftkkkom validated once more.
>>2779131
>If you don't worship Putin and Netanyahu you're literally a Banderist Azovite!!!
Meanwhile you support IOF imperialism, Wagner and Rusisch, and anti-communist movements across Europe in the name of "multipolarity"
You are a deranged Duginite-Hitlerite. Plain and simple.
>>2779134gemmy and avthentic
>>2779141Silence, Epstein.
>>2779144You are literally Netanyahu.
>>2779105It will be extremely funny if DK and MKKP ends up having roughly the same result.
>>2779150Results will come from rural areas first, so Orban is likely to be leading at first.
>>2779120This doesn't exist yet, it's just talk
>>2779168
they arent eurpean
>>2779168
>Why does Hungary exist again?
you want the short version?
>>2779168
Some persian threw a spear at some roman guy and nothing been the same in Europe since then.
>both parties are against giving money to Ukraine and for Hungary’s energy security
<but it’s in a pro-Russian way for the current government
Either I’m misunderstanding this take or the opposition is going to suddenly decide that no longer being pro-Russian is a more important policy than committing to neutrality with Ukraine.
>>2779206Tisza is full of shit and will ok giving money to Ukraine. It's pretty obvious given a significant portion of them are liberal defectors and Magyar's message has been incoherent beyond "corruption"
>>2779206They're not going to send weapons themselves, but they'll stop vetoing every EU decision regarding Ukraine. it's also important because there is no one to protect Fico from losing his veto power anymore.
So now Hungary will honor our great anarchist heros from the Azov corps 💪💪
>>2779220>but they'll stop vetoing every EU decision regarding Ukraine.It just seems like insanity to start this now when the feeling in most of the EU that supported Ukraine instantly, is that support for Ukraine progresses without any democratic input and the spending is something of a runaway train for a conflict that is either lost or in a stalemate.
19:21 GMT
Orban has conceded defeat, and called to congratulate Magyar on Tisza’s victory, Magyar just announced on social media.
>>2779264>competitive-autocraticwdhmbt
>>2779264>Orbán was an autocratic nazi dictator who just lost the elections and congratulated his opponent on winningDamn, I thought words had meaning.
>>2779264>international ideological movementSo what do we call this? The Chud Internationale?
>>2779273You'll be able to tell by the length of the table he'll offer a seat at to Magyar.
>>2779275It's just souvereignist conservatives, really. What EU-libs don't realize is that these fuckers like Orbán wanted to save the EU from its own demise. These fucks were trying to reform the system so that individual states could retain some level of autonomy, but that was always a fever dream.
The EU will literally kill itself over this.
>>2779284uygha, EU federalization is inevitable
Each directly applicable Regulation, each Directive, each new Agency, each new landmark ECJ ruling, each new crisis, each payment EU member states will make to pay back the mutual debt they took up during Covid moves in this direction
Orban loves Isarel and USA
Why are any of you pro-Orban?
>>2779290He annoyed the UE and was pro-Russia
Rest In Peace Orban
>>2779290they are pro-cuctin chinlets
>>2779290Extreme contrarianism
>>2779289In any event I don't see how economic integration doesn't also lead to political integration. Of course the path there is full of twists and turns and isn't straightforward.
>>2779289Disagree, Orban's defeat isn't ending the rise of far right populists who'll likely break the EU's federalisation. France will get Le Pen or Bardella next year, and that'll put EU federal plans out of the game. No EU without France.
>>2779295>In any event I don't see how economic integration doesn't also lead to political integration. It does and mutual debt will be a big reason for this. The moment member states agreed to let EU itself borrow this was inevitable
>>2779289>federalization is inevitableAnd with it EU's collapse. Just like the US, Europe's fall will be the most idiotic one. Instead of chosing cheap gas, economic prosperity, distancing itself from the USA, it will go down as the forced puppet regime that tried to force down the throat of each member state capitulation.
That libs can't comprehend it is insane.
Btw, I myself never actually hoped for saving/reforming the EU. But this is p much the last decade or so of this idiotic project as Germany is rebooting its war economy and foreign policy is centralized.
>>2779298Not if the MAGA branding continues its trend of being a millstone like this
>>2779301Why does federalization mean EU will not distance itself from US?
>>2779302This. Trump is poison to nationalist internationale PR globally
>>2779302>>2779306People overestimate the Maga effect, it only ever worked on Canada, Europe stays unaffected, far right is still rising nearly everywhere, especially in the major members (France, Germany, Spain, Poland) France and Poland will be the first ones in 2027, without them a federal EU is impossible. Even if they don't win, they'll be strong enough to stop it.
>>2779264>NOW! That’s what I call buzzwordsI wish there’d be crises of democracy in more European countries than just those that are vaguely mercenary towards US interests.
>>2779308You're correct that the far right is indeed getting more popular, but this is in spite of MAGA and not because of it, and the brand of far right represented by Le Pen and pals is different from the purely cynical pseudo-populist and comically corrupt brand of conservatism that MAGA pushes. So yes the far right is rising in popularity but if they associate themselves with Trump that's a major albatross on their necks because everyone else thinks Trump is insane and/or retarded
>>2779224>>2779219rude owo
>>2779306>Why does federalization mean EU will not distance itself from US?Because we will federalizine while following US foreign policy:
>No more Russian oil, you MUST buy overpriced American>You WILL pay for the Ukraine war>You WILL increase NATO spending>You WILL militarize your economiesThe psychopaths are waiting for Trump to croak so they can finally send troops to Ukraine and get back SOME of the US war funding rolling again and the next Democrat pres will give it to them.
It's literally federalization INTO vassalage. Centralizing your foreign policy and economic planning to favor a foreign power inevitably leads to fucking disaster.
>>2779308EU federalization process is pushed by external crises, economic and administrative benefits of operating in a single market and soon payment of mutual debt
Even le far right Meloni plays with not against Brussels because they all realize the incentive structure they are operating in
>>2779326EU wants Ukraine. EU wants their resources and cheap labour. Russia attacked not because of NATO but because Ukraine was about to begin process of joining EU because they offered them a better deal than Russians did so realizing he can't beat them Putin tried and failed to just take Ukraine by force
>>2779327Meloni is at the head of a right-wing coalition, and she's also nearly alone in the EU as far right leader, especially now that Orban is gone.
Italy doesn't function the same way as a french presidential regime. I don't think Bardella is going take step backs in the EU, but he'll definitly attempt to sabotage any attempt at unification. He's also allied with both the people causing the external crisises. Ultimatly, it's not in the interest of his petty bourgeois backers, or in the interest of the technological billionaires funding him, to have european unification.
>>2779336
Orban is a zionist, he even invited Netanyahu, retard.
JD Vance made a dictator lose a rigged election lmfao
>>2779327>payment of mutual debtNot happening, would involve half of EU states declaring bankruptcy. Instead they prefer to borrow more from each other into eternity and pretend the crisis doesn't exist, then blame the fucking thing on Russia then portray the ever increasing austerity as a rightous moral crusade of ethical EU citizens up until to the point that the EU core is sufficiently re-militarized and because never learned anything from Napoleon or Hitler, they'l want to storm Russia again, but the recipe this time is EU-core + UK supplied tech and intelligence and periphery cannonfodder. The Poles are already so RussiaGated mentally that they'll gladly lead the first heroic waves against Russia given a sufficient enough economic crisis that needs "solving".
This is the EU project our enlightened libs believe is worth saving and the "best thing we have" as of now.
>>2779342
>genocide agaisnt russians
not real
real genocide happening in gaza and lebanon btw. russians are not oppressed lil man
>>2779340i was hoping for him to rig it but he lost the support of his deep state spooks
>>2779114its called liberal
>>2779339>Market manipulation favors the puppet regimeWHO WOULD OF THUNKED
>>2779349They set up the system to disproportionally reward the winner and now reap what they sowed.
>>2779335My point is that deeper EU integration is less of a conscious political choice and more like a slow process pushed forward by internal logic and occasionally temporarily accelerated by external shocks forcing member states to delegate more to EU itself to deal with X crisis which has permanent effects after crisis is over
>>2779340You suffer from liberal cognitive dissonance. The opposition winning literally proves to you that this wasn't the dictatorship Brussels media lied to you about every day. You are a retarded lib who simply holds contradictory beliefs in his mind at the same time without feeling the need to commit to the bare minimum of mental hygiene.
>>2779345>Not happeningExactly, that never happens in practice. That will happen is that eventually EU will borrow and keep borrowing forever like US
>>2779358trump and the big yahu supported your candidate
Tisza achieved supermajority
https://hungary-2026.com/>>2779340>JD Vance made a dictator lose a rigged election lmfaoVance hexed ol' Orb-man like he did to the Pope
>>2779353>My point is that deeper EU integration is less of a conscious political choice and more like a slow process pushed forward by internal logic and occasionally temporarily accelerated by external shocksOh look at the brain bug over here with his larger historical materialist "logic"
>>2779369The election was rigged by Brussels
>>2779365"My candidate" was the workers party, you fucking retard, but now you portray as a victory replacing a country's national bourgeoisie with compradors. And you do this as the parasite EU-core "leftist" who ends up benefitting from this shit every time.
the zionist chuds lost, despite all their bluster itt. lol!
>>2779371>Oh look at the brain bug over here with his larger historical materialist "logic"Um, I am sorry?
>>2779379No it's good. I'm just some clown. We need to protect our brain bugs.
Rusbros should be happy because cucktin will realize he now has no friends.
>>2779341Who are these reactionary parties?
This is the real result
>>2779384The real result is here
>>2779134Nobody voted. Total leftcom victory. The bourgeoisie are trying to hide it from you
What is Magyar's take on Palestine? I assume he is a zionist but I just wanted it confirmed.
Get fucked losers
NOOOOOOOOOO we must give critical support to the far-right chud dictator because muh Russia or something
>>2779374Who did you vote for on the national list?
Az igazat mondta
Amikor nagy volt a tét
Ő Jézusért élt
És nem félt a haláltól
Mi vagyunk Magyar Péter
Visszük a lángot
Harcolunk az evangéliumért
Tiszteljük a nevét
Mi vagyunk Magyar Péter
Bátorsága a miénk
Együtt töretlenül
Megismertetjük a mennyországot
A Tisza Párt atyja
Ki a viharral dacol
Megingathatatlan
És a jövőért harcol
Mi vagyunk Magyar Péter
Visszük a lángot
Harcolunk az evangéliumért
Tiszteljük a nevét
Mi vagyunk Magyar Péter
Bátorsága a miénk
Együtt töretlenül
Megismertetjük a mennyországot
Mi vagyunk Magyar Péter
Speaking of EU borrowing. Tisza victory means 90 billion euros loan to Ukraine financed by joint EU borrowing from capital markets
>>2779392That's the victory our resident "leftists" hoped for. Money to fucking Azov.
But let's keep focusing on Palestine a thousand miles away!
>>2779393JIDF working overtime to defend hungarian chvds
>>2779319Ziozizters…It's not fair!
>>2777839Orban & company are pretty much direct american and russian puppets; meanwhile at least the EU gives Hungary money and allows them to vote.
If you're really gonna opt for the least worst, the response is obvious
>>2779393Maybe if cucktin did his shitty job better and launched nukes at westoids things would be better. Russia needs total mobilization and destruction of the west.
>>2779394Kek, that pic pisses off both sides like mo tomorrow.
>>2779388Didn't find anything about it, but he's likely to follow whatever the EU is doing, so he'll most likely condemn a few Israeli actions without condemntion everything. He's not going to veto everything against Israel like Orban did however.
>>2779397>Orban & company are pretty much direct american and russian puppetsNah, they are just inept retards. Russia sucks at soft power and wars. Soviet boomers have been a disaster for communism and modern russia.
>>2779404Objective is to punish cucktin for cuckoldry. The more the cuck is hurt the better.
I want Oreshniks on Rammstein
Vance killed the Pope and now he killed Orban. Is there anything he can't do?
>>2779397>the EU gives Hungary moneyAh, yes, after dominating the local economy with French and German capital and shoveling out hundreds of billions in profits every year they graciously give back a modicum as a prize you must spend on on German contractors anyway.
You idiots have no idea how imperialism works. EU-core "leftists" are so high on imperialist propaganda they actually buy the narrative that it is they who are the victims in a parasitic relationship they benefit from.
EU-"leftists" = burger "leftists"
>>2779404ECI to end Israel-EU association agreement will get to 1 million signatures next week latest
Nothing is promised but pressure to EU to distance from Israel is increasing
>>2779397>allows them to vote>>>allowsThank you, massa!
>>2779413>ECIahhhh im petitioooning
>>2779401>He's not going to veto everything against Israel like Orban did however.Doubt it. Fidesz created its own zionist sect which could be immediately converted loyal to Tisza just by following the same policies. Why would he throw away voters over a geopolitical issue so far away when there are only benefits to not doing so?
>>2779402>KunHe would have made a strongly worded speech and then lose.
>RákosiHe would have jailed half of his own party and lose.
>KádárHe would have taken very sour geopolitical black pills and navigate a reformist socialist government until he lost.
>>2779405Stalin was already dead then, ya dingus.
>>2779423Oh, my bad, I thought you were saying that about Kádár.
>>2779416ECI is not a petition… and why am I bothering? You clearly do not actually do anything and give up before even trying
Listen, I get your doomerism, I really do but every piece of pressure helps and if nothing else will generate more conversation around cutting ties with Israel. Is that really not good? Do you have siluggestions?
>>2779411Oh noes, Hungarian bourgeois are being pushed out by German ones, billions must die.
>>2779417Hardline Zionists in Hungary are radical christians, they'll never abandon Fidesz,
Magyar won based on a pro Eu and pro consensus politics he doesn't really have that strong of a base, if he starts using his veto like Orban did, liberals or leftists will be able to use this to his advantage. His issue there is that he won politically because people were tired of Orban, he has to differenciate himself from him, or else the rest of the opposition will take from him
He's not going to be an anti-zionist anything, but he'll adopt the EU's view on it, that is a more moderate form of zionism, one that condemns Netanyahu but not Israel.
>zionist candidate lost
europe is saved
>>2779431>I'm unironically pro-imperialist economics to own the (checks list) anti-LGBTQ dictator who (looks up recent happening) peacefully congratulated his opponent after losing the democratic electionsThe cognitive dissonance of the labour aristocratic "leftist," ladies and gentlemen.
>>2779427Eh, your optimism is cute, I am not even gonna argue
>>2779440I am not confident but I do believe it's good to try instead of not
>>2779434>Hardline Zionists in Hungary are radical christians, they'll never abandon Fidesz, They just fucking did, you moron. Where do you think all these votes came from? If Magyar carefully navigates the Christian/gender cultural shit he can please both local boomer Christians and the EU. But for Brussels the main prize is Ukraine support and free economic interference in Hungary. They will give Hungary back the witheld money if they get the main prize, and if they have a modicum of sense, they'll allow Magyar to keep the cultural spooks.
But on the long run it literally doesn't matter because this government will lose due to the austerity policy they'l rape the population with in 4 years.
Hopefully we'll have a left Huxit party to vote for, otherwise it's back to even more reactionary politics.
are european normies celebrating?
>>2779447How many radical Christians do you think are in Hungary? The current results say that Tisza got 2,803,556 votes and Fidesz said 1,962,022 votes. Which votes from these are from the radical Christians, exactly?
>>2779449Yes, finally they can give up their standard of living to support Banderite neonazis again doing the bidding of Germany. This is a big win against fascism, apparently. The bad fascist Orbán lost in a democrati election, and the putsched in good fascist Azovites can recieve more weapons to kill the Satanic orcs from the jungle.
Order is restored now in the elven Garden.
Justice prevails, and these people are completely sane, fyi.
>>2779144Epstein's bestie is the one who came out in support of Orban lmao
Peter /Magyar/
Netanyahu lost
Trump lost
Ziggers lost
>>2779284A european confederation is really the only way forward, otherwise every state will just be bossed around.
I'm saying this in the broadest way possible, even in the case of a serie of communist revolutions in the continent
>>2779301Centralization and federalism are the only way for an independent europe. This week alone Trump wanted to sanction spain for not ending over backwars over Iran, but they can't do shit about it because spain is in the EU, and they would have to upset the whole block
>>2779453What do you mean by radical christians to begin with? What's your reference point? American televangelists?
The majority is Catholic which follow le pope's pro-peace shit pretty closely and (non-burger style) protestants who can be otherwise quite liberal in wordly matters. Little (burger-style, pro-war, "Israel was promised to the Jews in the bibble) protestant sects aren't successful or demographically significant, although shit like mormonism, scientology, jehova's cuckoldry have been slowly encroaching on the population which Fidesz actually tried to stop but was again deemed as totalitarian and what not for it.
Most attempts at creating proper burger-style protestant idiocy here has been viewed by scorn by actual Lutherans and catholics.
One of the big failures of Orbán was trying to force the (then already uncool, defanged, inorganic) "alt-right" culture in Hungary but it's simply not that fucking popular and comes off as a forced foreign cultural import that has no organic basis here and tried to elevate an anti-establishment attitude for the establishment, and all it could keep of it was the self-assured arrogance of those in power losing popular support while they kept upping the arrogance levels.
The alt-right shit was a huge failure for Orbán. When one of his ministers tried to pull a burger style "those who get cancer are punished by God, evolution ain't real" speeh in the parliament, 90% of ""normal"" (as in culturally organic to the continent) Christians were pissed.
Here being a Catholic or protestant doesn't mean you deny basic biology or go back to the old testament to quote mine for your barbaric agenda. If anything Orbán actually lost Christian voters for attempting to push this burger shit and failing.
Hilariously, the "conservative" lost votes by abandoning his own roots (lame ass Christianity) and trying to import this cool new thing from Burgerstan (alt right televango shit). All he had to do was to stick to his roots, but instead he tried to be a globalist BUT BASED by forcing a foreign culture and trying to make it happen all around the globe.
In short, conservatards will never get to become counter-culture AND wield power, you can't just import the colonialist/imperialist Christianity into a culturally foreign and non-colonial environment.
My comrades kept telling me how Orbán writing his thesis on Gramsci made him this amazing superstructural mastermind using Marxist tools to further reactionary ends, but instead it's his stupid Gramscianism that contributed significantly to his downfall.
>>2779468>I'm saying this in the broadest way possible, even in the case of a serie of communist revolutions in the continentYou are saying this in the comfort of knowing that the former is assures and the latter is completely unattainable as of now, you disgusting shill.
>>2779474There's no independent Europe. There's only degrees to how vassalized it allows itself to be ny the US, but complete independence is out of the question because the EU is part of the imperialist project.
Pseudo-Marxist Varoufakis fags need to be hanged.
>>2779411Compared to the alternative, who don't even give them that lmao.
I was comparing two bad options and highlighting how one is less terrible than the other, which is metric being used by the post I originally replied to.
>>2779497>but complete independence is out of the question because the EU is part of the imperialist projectElaborate why independence is out of question.
>>2779474Assuming unified and independent Europe are possible. reminder that the only thing EU leaders agree rn now is them staying in power and hating Putin, and even the hating Putin is getting controversial. The liberal retards in power in Brussels will not stop being liberal retards if they are given more power. The major issue with EU and why it's failing because it's liberal and the second problem is that it will stay liberal no matter what, because it's totally unaccountable.
>>2779326Ironically the militarization is kind of required to pull out of the NATO and the US sphere of influence. Without a European MIC, europe would remain bound to the US.
Sad shit really.
>>2779322TRUKE
>>2779327As far as bourgeous institutions go, the EU has been pretty dialectical in this regard: every crisis forces the member states towards a closer union to be able to survive it.
>>2779336Orban was bestie with Netanyahu and was supported by every zionazi ally in the west
>>2779340Reverse midas
>>2779342> Soros >>2779504
>Vulnerable
To what you fucking garden Epsteinite? The jungle orcs? Bitch, I want the EU to completely collapse because without ending the rule of imperialists the communist prohect can't resume on the old continent.
You fucking comfortable litle labor aristo actually think that you, a lukewarm socdembpretending to be radical, and me, a Leninist from the periphery, have any common interest or common politics?
I want to destroy what you want to save, you "leftist" piece of bourgeois shit.
>>2779359Unlikely, there isn't a petroeuro
>>2779374Orban was also a comprador
>>2779511You can not maintain an imperialist economy extracting value out of the rest of the world without having the political part of it to enforce your will: the muscle that the US brings with its navy and intelligence network. If you want to stay on the top as an imperialist you have to accept the fact that you need the US around.
The EU already proved they won't develop the muscles necessary to split from NATO - as they are being viciously mocked by Trump's tirades. They aim lower, basically agreeing to Trump's demand to at least pull some of their weight by re-militarizing. They are doing this so that they may remain in the club, not to split the club.
And as for intelligence: remember how the EU just swallowed scandal after scandal, how Obamna and Trump were spying on the Getmans, how they stole Covid vaccines, how they blew up Nordstream.
It's the price you pay to keep daddy happy, because daddy will ultimately make sure that the imperialized stay in line and shares you the spoils.
So, yes, fucker, that's why the EU must be destroyed, and that's why you are a reactionary parasitic piece of human garbage for trying to reform imperialism.
Kys, in other words
>>2779523>every crisis forces the member states towards a closer union to be able to survive itSqueezing people into less and less comfortable positions isn't the recipe for institutional survival, lmao.
Ofc the fucking Epsteinite "leftcom" with the manga fetish is ok with the EU.
>>2779416Worst case scenario you wast like what, 5 minutes? Why not
>>2779470Thank you Mr. AntiMidas, I shall never doubt your blessed shittouch ever again
>>2779484based. hungary is turkish land
Can your guys accept that It is a good thing that Orban lost, he was an Ultra-Zionits Xenophobe and also stop acting like Putin is an Anti-Imperialist force because he's not.
>>2779535Did Trump threaten spain with sanctions just this week? Single european countries can be tossed around by the US with ease, but dealing with the entire union it's more troublesome
>>2779547> he EU already proved they won't develop the muscles necessary to split from NATO - as they are being viciously mocked by Trump's tirades. They aim lower, basically agreeing to Trump's demand to at least pull some of their weight by re-militarizing. They are doing this so that they may remain in the club, not to split the club.> And as for intelligence: remember how the EU just swallowed scandal after scandal, how Obamna and Trump were spying on the Getmans, how they stole Covid vaccines, how they blew up Nordstream.You know that without the EU you're still going to get all of what you list and even more on top right?
>>2779552The squeeze would have happened pretty much regardless. I'm merely doing an observation
> EpsteiniteWhich candidate was promoted by Epstein's best friend again? I can't recall the name, I think it starts with "O" and ends with "n" or something like that.
>>2779565It's an irrelevant thing because Magyar is also a neoliberal xenophobe. "Anti-campists" are celebrating the victory of a conservative neoliberal in a falseflag bait thread, while accusing their enemies of supporting conservatives.
>>2779565They will never accept it is good, but come tomorrow they will all pretend who won doesnt matter at all and actually they never wanted Orban to win in the first place.
>>2779536>Orban was also a compradorThis debate either goes into degrees (of compradorness) or basic character (of an economic regime). In any case, a constant complaint from the EU-core was Fidesz's "oligarchic" economy, which is pretty much just primitive accumulation done in the periphery, being constrained by the EU's strict protections of private property.
So for example the three most important economic players (MOL, OTP, pharmaceuticals) were always to a degree foreign owned (no backsies on that in the EU, unless they "willingly" [make] them sell) Fidesz pretty much started a national bourgeoisie project on the side by gobbling up smaller entities (mid sized factories, agriculture, shop chains, etc.) concentrating it in "friendly hands."
I don't understand people who complain about this being "not real capitalism" becaus then they just show they have no idea how fucking dirty primitive accumulation gets.
I also don't understand how people think that you could apply (let's call it) "comprador theory" developed in 19th century Latam to 21st century EU without necessary modifications. The fact remains that Fidesz did try to create a national bourgeoisie, its enemies cried about them not being comprador enough, and obviously they are constricted by the institutional framework (EU) they stuidly decided to stay inside of.
In any case, in terms of degrees, both previous and now the following goverment will prove to be "more" comprador in character if it breaks up said centralized entities and allows the "holy free market" to do its thing (being bought up be foreign investors, etc.)
>>2779574just like how leftypol pretends to have never supported trump kek.
>>2779553
Not my problem. Make successful revolutions like Cuba and Vietnam. If you can't, or worse, afraid you can't and use this as your justification for remaining a comfortable gardener, you are worse than Hitler.
>>2779565>Ultra-Zionits XenophobeDoesn't mean anything to 90% of Hungarains. You are so removed from this country you can only judge it by the cultural-obsessed lingo of bourgeois media like BBC and CNN.
You think this has been a great cultural win.
In reality this has been a great geopolitical fail, which strengthens imperialist ambitions at the cost of more austerity for the proles.
So good job!
>>2779570I'm not debating a self-proclaimed leftcom defending the eu.
You are a hypocritical imperialist socdem and I wish you died the moment you made your first post on Leftypol.
>>2779589Zionist butthurt is a win.
>>2779574Explain what's good about this "win".
Give us 5 points how this will improve the lives of people in the region.
>>2779589>You are so removed from this country Yes thank god. If Hungary was pre-emptively nuked tomorrow not a single person would care.
>strengthens imperialist ambitionsAgain with the US-Israeli backed anti-imperialism
>>2779596Zionist butthurt is worth 100 points.
>>2779589What do you mean it strengthens imperialism? Orbán was pro-Israel, pro-Putin and Putin is an untra-imperialist, he also was pro-Trump as well and yes the new guy is also gonna be pro-Trump but that’s a given for NATO-cuck-countries
>>2779582I support Trump -> Biden -> Trump 2.0 -> Biden 2.0
I support chains of events that breaks Empire, not simple candidates. Whoever is the worst candidate next in the USA I will shill it. The sooner that country is broken, balkanized, nuked, the sooner we can have the communist project back on the menu globally.
>>2779602>Putin is an untra-imperialist, Lol
>>2779602We proved all your point several times over months in your "anti-campist" threads to be fale. That's why you don't have "anti-campist" threads anymore, remember?
Your whole worldview is fucked and based on fiction, gardener.
>electoralism
>577 replies
geg do leftypolcacas really
there is no leader too much of a wanker for at least some /leftypol/ posters to simp for him
12 April 2026
20:41 GMT
Results are still coming in, and Magyar’s lead is widening. Right now, with more than 87% of votes counted, Tisza is leading Fidesz by 53.6% to 37.7%.
>>2779615
You mean the genocidal fucktard who killed millions of people and communists in less than 20 years? Mind you, he was also funded by the US and is directly responsible for supercharging the US in the empire it's now/has been for the past 70 years
>>2779615
>Hitler was an objectively lesser evil than anglo American capitalism
Compare the kill count, gardener.
Peter Magyar, Hungary’s next prime minister, called on the country’s president, top justices and chief prosecutor to resign after his landslide election victory.
Magyar, speaking late Sunday in Budapest, said voters had given him the mandate to sweep away Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s system. He said those that served that system needed to quit.
>fuck the legal process of concession of power, we need this color revolution at a 100% already
>>2779582People who supported Trump thinking that he would tank the US with his retardation are infinitely more correct than people in this very thread thinking that neoliberal eurocrats are going to destroy israel and bring about communism
>>2779630i'm sure you'll be all for the legal process when he locks all those crooks up :)
>>2779632most of /leftypol/'s trump supporters didn't support trump to tank the US, they supported trump because they believed Kamala would start WW3 or that Trump was anti-interventionist or other nonsense you could only believe if you were 5 parts contrarian and 5 parts braindead.
>>2779632>People who supported Trump thinking that he would tank the US with his retardationThat at least makes sense but a lot of you guys supported him because he would be an anti-war isolationist or some shit which was always ridiculous
>>2779637>We are removing Gaddafi's regime epic style while transforming the country into a slave colony, and you can't do anything about it, turd worldistYou are Epstein.
>>2779641>comparing military operations and violent revolution to a crook no longer being able to hold on to power in a bloodless election even with the explicit support of the US president hysterical in both senses of the term.
>>2779641Epstein = American empire = Trump and he supports Orban. JD Vance is cry-wanking right now just like you buddy.
>>2779643A successful foreign supported regime change is a successful foreign supported regime change, regardless of the amount of blood spilled. The economic consequences, namely austerity, will be the process taking prole lives here, but you wouldn't care about that anyway.
>>2779602mate you're kinda retarded, the guy is the same as orban but more pro EU and even more neolib, so objectively more pro imperialism
>Putin is an untra-imperialistwot. Do you even know what imperialism means for a marxist or are you just a lib retard?
>>2779647A successful foreign supported regime change == When a US-Israeli backed rightoid loses an election
>>2779650Imperialism is when no LGBT rights according to these fine people, fyi.
>>2779652You are contorting words to fit your upside down worldview.
>>2779657Which part of this description is inaccurate:
<a US-Israeli backed rightoid loses an election >>2779657You are a butthurt Zionist.
I suppose leftcoms won with Hungary electing a zoomer nationalist who will be as anticommunist as Orban was and will probably brutalize the romas even more but he
uh
might probably
not stop a strongly worded letter wagging a finger towards "violent settlers"
absolute victory for communism everywhere
>>2779647happy to lay a bet that
a) hungary's economic performance will improve
b) hungary's best people will prosper. (high openness, high agreeableness, high neuroticism. e.g. the kind of people who become western leftists)
c) the suffering of hungary's worst people will fall primarily not on proles, but on petit bouj and lumpenbouj.
plus
>>2779652the vice president of the united states of america went to hungary to endorse the motherfucker! you can't really walk that back and go "Oh, actually this is a big win for imperialism, the evil EU will make them harmonize seatbelt regulations and enforce austerity* :(((("
*not actually true btw, as hungary isn't in the euro.
>>2779655LGBT rights aren't a question of imperialism, but direction of travel tells you everything you need to know about where a country is going. a country can have poor but stagnant (or improving) LGBT rights and be fine, but if a country ever walks things back you know it's on the wrong track.
(ultimately because this means it's being run by closed minded, disagreeable, but very arrogant people. e.g. the opposite kind of person to those who become western leftists, and indeed, the kind of person who becomes a western reactionary.)
>>2779663Only you faggots are under the illusion that this shit matters at all. Everyone else is just having a good time pointing and laughing at you.
>Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán frequently uses anti-communist rhetoric to frame his political opponents, equating modern progressive liberals with communists. He has stated, "There are no liberals, only communists with university degrees" and has urged Hungarians to "crush the vipers' eggs of communism and fascism in good time" to defend national sovereignty.
why would the nasty old EU remove this left wing hero ;-;
>>2779668the post right above you disproves you, kek
>>2779630chud on chud violence is always good
>>2779672don't confuse my engagement with the topic of the thread with thinking that what happens in Hungary is important.
>>2779679
Orban is a communist
leftypol.org
>>2779679
at last i truly see: it takes a communist to truly hate communists, after all.
how are international chuds reacting?
>>2779667When you lose your bet, there’s a non-0% chance it ends up with the frankly delicious irony of NATO tanks rolling into Hungary in support of Magyar against the “pro-Russian” protestors.
But it’s probably 0.0000001% to be fair
>>2779661Regardless which side is holding state power they maintain international connections. That doesn't mean you are "backed" by them. Pakistan isn't "backed" by China just because they have good relations. Endorsing somebody (e.g. Vance, Orbán) is not the same as financially preparing a group of select people and providing them the infrastructure to gain power. When Orbán first won he was endorsed by many voices in Brussels but not financially backed by them. Magyar is a literal trojan horse of the eurocrats prepared for this day the last 2 years.
It's like equivocating Juan Guido with Joe Biden because "both have international connections" which completely and intentionally misses the whole point.
far right ziofascists lost to EU shitlibs and yet this thread is full of people crying and getting butthurt on behalf of the ziofascists
what's up with that?
>>2779667idpol + baseless wish casting + reddit superiority complex + trust the plan + gardening
Tbh this is a very high quality bait.
>>2779698They are Zionists.
>>2779671Observe as the gardener admits the EU meddles in elections, but that's a good thing!
And they actually think the EU will last more than 10 years with this direction.
>>2779695Bwahahaha, oh wow
>>2779707The EU should meddle to remove every Zionist prime minister.
>>2779698EU shitlibs have failed to dissuade their states from supporting the genocide of Palestinians. Okay, not enough organisation for that, fine I guess. But to take the low hanging fruit of struggling against European states that aren’t toeing the EU/NATO line is not fine. These won’t be the days remembered as failing to prevent genocide, it will be remembering with fists in the air and tears in their eyes when the people of Serbia, Georgia, Hungary, etc dared to stand up and fight for their right to stop having opinions that differ from the US government.
>>2779714We should call this "imperialist anti-imperialism".
>>2779717No, its just anti-imperialism. Hungary is part of EU, EU has every right to meddle in its own internal politics.
>>2779715As soon as Trump croaks and a democrat takes over Magyar will be put on a pedestal by the Americans, you loonatic.
>>2779707low autism score reply
>>2779718Kek. And you expect the EU to retain willing members on the long run how exactly?
>I wanna belong to the big club where my friends beat me regularly >>2779723I wanna belong to the big club where me and my friends beat hungarians regularly
>>2779719Honestly so many breaths are being held for the next Democrat president right now, so little Co2 is being excreted, it might actually start reversing climate change.
>>2779725But it's not just the Hungarians. The EU meddled in Romanian, Georgian, Slovak, and Czech elections recently.
How do you expect this project to last 10 more years again? Because this is fuck around and find out territory.
>>2779690all i'm reading is that the EU is better at the game than the US and that hungary is an also-ran country with no good options.
which means all you can do is laugh when whatever bastard is in charge finally eats shit.
>>2779728May all your favorite Zionists be meddled.
>>2779734
You don't even know that Romanians, Georgians, and Hungarians aren't slavs but you are sure that you know what's better for them than they do.
So you concede that the EU is doomed to failure, then. Enjoy cheering for an entity that is preparing its suicide right before your eyes.
>>2779743the EU may fail, but it'll stay out of prison longer than orban lol.
>>2779743>Enjoy cheering for an entity that is preparing its suicide right before your eyes.Israel?
>>2779728Don’t want to be a doomer but Euroskepticism already blew its wad as a far-rightoid movement against immigration, people will support membership in the EU for no other reason than to avoid the association.
>>2779745I'd actually love to see Magyar jailing the Fidesz elite, because the only way he can do this is via extra legal measures – going directly against EU principles. It would be a hilarious shit show, collapsing the entire narrative in the first week!
>This bad dictator just congratulated his opponent for defeating him fair and square and is prepared to legally hand over power>this good democrat just said "fuck the law, I ain't gotta legally prove shit" and his private paramilitary imprisoned every bad dictatorMany such fairytales in cognitive hell.
>>2779749on this point we agree.
the EU sucks and is a dismal failure at almost everything it has attempted, but anti-europeans are a gaggle of freaks with defective personalities. look at britain and how much its international reputation and economic performance have fallen since leaving the EU. that's your pro-EU argument in a nutshell, and it's the best they've got.
(eurocrats have defective personalities too. they're not regular liberals, who are quite nice as individuals.)
>>2779747I'm actually against Israel, but I let your schizo projections slide for the most time.
>>2779753i gather the poles got away with this and in hungary, it couldn't happen to a better set of people.
live by extralegal shenanigans, die - well, continue to live, but behind bars - by extralegal shenanigans. when the music stops and you're without a chair, it's game over.
>>2779756You demand we mourn Netanyahu's candidate.
>>2779749Opposing the entiry that illegally coups its member states isn't contaminated by anti-migration whatever. It goes against its own and international law, let alone basic decency. The EU keeps doing it and people will respond accordingly left and right.
Again, this is not "migrants took r jerbs" territory, this js "fuck around and find out" territory.
>>2779757That's not how law works.
>>2779759I recommend you realize the consequences of the process that was started so that you can see clearly where the continent is headed. Or you know, be an insane lib obsessed with irrelevant shit.
>>2779767Next the globalists will take out poor Netanyahu…
>>2779763it is in practice, and in practice matters a hell of a lot more than what legislation and precedent have to say about the matter.
(and this is true of every country. a pretense can always be found to get whatever you want legally. japan has a constitution explicitly forbidding the existence of an army, and the world's 7th largest army! 15 years after it was legislated, it "turned out" that britain's equality act didn't ban discrimination against transgender people as everyone thought and acted as though it did… it actually
mandated it! roe v. wade found that abortion rights are conferred by a constitutional right to privacy… until a new set of judges appointed by those of a different view found that actually, it doesn't really!)
>>2779767Soros has proven once again to be too powerful to his former disciple.
Young Orbán = Anakin
Young Soros = Palpatine
Old Orbán = darth vader
Old Soros = Emperor
>>2779761No one cares about or even wants to be aware of EU election meddling and colour revolutions, because narratives were already set that not toeing the EU/NATO line is authoritarianism, far-right, pro-Russian and all other accusations to poison the well.
It’s the poisoning the well part that was fucking around, that could have backfired in people getting suspicious of how forced the narratives are, but what was found out was that they’re not and you see protestors with not only their own flags but that of the EU, the US and probably a fictional flag dreamt up by the foreign diaspora.
>>2779592>You are a hypocritical imperialist socdem and I wish you died>>2779600>Zionist butthurt is worth 100 points.We're just proving intersectionality and how there are different matrixes of oppression.
>>2779604>I support Trump -> Biden -> Trump 2.0 -> Biden 2.0>I support chains of events that breaks Empire, not simple candidates. Breaking the empire by supporting whoever happens to win the U.$. presidonkle elections.
>>2779770I already told you that I want Magyar to extra-legally arrest the Fidesz leadership. Meddling with elections angers the left and right, but getting rid of the charace of legality and decorum alienates the liberals as well.
Again, I want the EU to collapse. I 100% unironically support bourg on bourg violence here.
>>2779773I've spoken to 5 romanians about the EU meddling in their elections and they were all pissed about it. They didn't like the candidate that was fucked with but they clearly recognized to EU took a crap on their sovereignity.
Keep meddling. It hastens the collapse. The self-justifying narrative of the EU being this enlightened club for civilized men is being crushed by the euroccrats.
>>2779774>Breaking the empire by supporting whoever happens to win the U.$. presidonkle elections.Hilariously, yes!
>>2779777That's how you know the whole thing is crumbling. Each next pres damages it more.
You could have had lukewarm Bernia, but no, you hillaried and trumped it up.
Good!
>>2779775That’s not a particularly big sample size. I wish the numbers of people who genuinely care about their sovereignty were greater, but I recognise that in particular the Russophobia angle leads more people to think sovereignty isn’t an option anyway, it’s either Brussels/Washington or Moscow.
>>2779759I've seen literally 0 sympathy for orban in this thread, just people accurately stating that the alternative is no better and retarded pro EU anti orban people seething about it
Hours go
>cry for loss of my favorite zionist with me
Now
>actually i wanted him to lose the whole time for le accelerationism
Just to be clear though, while calling this or that political figure a zionist might be valid, it won't change who is Israel's source for munitions.
If the replacement of Orban isn't someone who is telling both the US and the EU to go fuck themselves, then the zionist angle is invalid.
>>2779775why arrest him extralegally when a legal pretense can always be found?
>>2779787This is what happened.
>>2779788This is what lib schizophrenics experienced.
>>2779832Considering the amount of wealth and number of "oligarchs" involved the legal case would take longer than Magyar's first term as pres.
Unless ofc you wanna go an extra-legal route to off your opponents, but then you've became the dictator.
Also
>We gonna take back all the MoP Fidesz stole
Good. And give it to whom? Cuz sure as fuck as neolibs you don't want factories as state property – that's haram – so give it to whom?!
>>2779565>stop acting like Putin is an Anti-Imperialist force because he's not.i wonder if people in cuba think the same as you
EU bad even doe it's basically Eurocommunism o algo
>>2779667> a) hungary's economic performance will improveThey're the poorest EU member even with all the money they get. Unless Albania or Macedonia join tomorrow, they can only go up…
>>2779663>brutalize the romasWho gives a shit about roma feelings in 2026? They're antisocial religious schyzos who support far righters, welfare frauders and looters. You want me to love Matt Walsh too?
>>2780279im pretty sure that was for
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