>>2691200Cheapness of migrant labor says hi
>>2691213wouldn't it make the israelis more mad if I paid for it
>>2691200that robot is obviously 10x slower than a human doing the same job.
>>2691215if you pay for it that money is mostly going to Israel through the US.
>>2691201the other guy is the former costco ceo and he:
>paid his workers suprisingly well (way more than other retail workers get paid>gave his workers health and other benefits>had less pay difference to his workers compared to other buisness leadershes a example of a "ethical" billionare who thought being successful in buisness requires treating workers well (except for unions. he busted unions lol)
>>2691220treating workers well turns them into treatlers. workers in the imperial core should be organizing to be treated worse, so they can be more like true workers in the global south.
>>2691033ok see you again tomorrow on
leftypol.org
>>2691223> “The working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!
> “If in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
> “Workers should even less desire that, as happens in the United States of America, the state whose budget is swollen by what is taken from the working class should be obliged to give primary education to the workers' children; for primary education is not complete education. It is better that working men and working women should not be able to read or write or do sums than that they should receive education from a teacher in a school run by the state. It is far better that ignorance and a working day of sixteen hours should debase the working classes than that eternal principles should be violated.
> “In a word, the workers should cross their arms and stop wasting time in political and economic movements. These movements can never produce anything more than short-term results. As truly religious men they should scorn daily needs and cry out with voices full of faith: "May our class be crucified, may our race perish, but let the eternal principles remain immaculate! As pious Christians they must believe the words of their pastor, despise the good things of this world and think only of going to Paradise. In place of Paradise read the social liquidation which is going to take place one day in some or other corner of the globe, no one knows how, or through whom, and the mystification is identical in all respects.
< It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy. However the working-class movement is today so powerful that these philanthropic sectarians dare not repeat for the economic struggle those great truths which they used incessantly to proclaim on the subject of the political struggle. They are simply too cowardly to apply them any longer to strikes, combinations, single-craft unions, laws on the labour of women and children, on the limitation of the working day etc., etc. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/01/indifferentism.htm >>2691216But the question is, is paying for one robot mechanic to oversee that robot less expensive than a bunch of migrants with no labor rights and no leverage to negotiate?
>>2691230We’ve had 150 years of history since Marx wrote this, it didn’t work
>>2691230i think that anon was being sarcastic
>>2691230you should also endeavor to make it clear that in the greentext part marx is quoting someone else and replying to them in the orange text part. you'd be surprised how many anons won't get that without it being made explicit
>>2691232Long term cost wise, yes.
>>2691240Our current crop of capitalists have no long term thinking, they want the profit at the end of this quarter or the CEO or head of the board faces a coup
>>2691241They do to some degree. It’s just that it’s very childish and unrealistic long term thinking.
>>2691240you don't know that
>>2691232none of us know that, also there are more expenses than just overseeing the robot. Like it's constant capital. It needs repair/replacement. It burns through electrical energy. presumably it's not solar powered. It also has to deal with humidity and shit. It clearly picks berries slower than a human would as well.
The issue with robots in the video is that its in a controlled demonstration environment where it can work well.
In a uncontrolled environment where theres a lot of potential chaos….yeah I think humans wont be replaced yet
>>2691248
also you're looking at a nice clean fresh one that hasn't had to deal with 3 months of being outside yet
>>2691246Robots don’t sleep. They don’t eat. They work 24/7 unless they break down.
>>2691253>Robots don’t sleep.they run out of energy if they're not on a cord.
> They don’t eat.they eat whatever is burned at the power plant to power them unless they're solar, in which case they eat photons.
>They work 24/7 unless they break down.which they do frequently because they're made of matter which is subject to wear and tear just like people are.
>>2691245If you’re talking about all the singularity and immortality through uploading your brain or using your son as a bloodbag, absolutely, but those are also scams, scams they pull on each other because we’ve reached a point where white collar crime is basically legal
>>2691255>they run out of energy if they're not on a cord.Depends on the robot
>they eat whatever is burned at the power plant to power them unless they're solar, in which case they eat photonsNo lunch breaks
>they're made of matterSo are Humans
>>2691257The current state of modern robotics is mostly scans, yes I agree.
>>2691255The robot doesn’t have to defy the laws of entropy, just be more durable than people are, issue is anything with electronics isn’t going to last and work the same as say, a moderately used gun from a century ago or a century and a half ago, there’s too many moving parts now
Robots will eventually replace people but it wont be anytime soon. Give it 50 or more years of further development
>>2691206Inside me are two wolves, one is in my mouth and the other in my pussy
>>2691260The problem is material costs are through the roof nowadays. Can't make everything out of super thick steel or whatever. That's why everything is made of plastic now.
>>2691263How much of that is going to survive the entire population of the global south being forced to move north due to climate change in that same 50 years? All the wars, possibly nuclear that are to come?
>>2691263Robots will only mostly replace Humans, even if it’s possible to automate everything.
>>2691266There’s also the loss of universal replaceable parts
>>2691267thats the neat part, climate apocolypse might kill off ai and robotics development :^)
fun times ahead :)
>>2691268The issue is, what do you do with the humans afterwards? The whole social contract since the agricultural revolution is people work and are able to eat and have shelter as a reward, when everything’s automated do we all enjoy the beach and beat off to death or do all the surplus humans get turned into meat next to the government cheese?
>>2691260>The robot doesn’t have to defy the laws of entropy, just be more durable than people arethey aren't yet. they also have to be faster. Literally every berry picker robot is startup hype until further notice.
>>2691271depends who controls the means of production during that time. If a socialist revolution happened before hand, then you will get luxary gay space communism. If the means of production is controlled by the bourg still, then you will get "techno feudalism". One where the excess population is slowly gotten rid of because they are useless eaters.
>>2691267>How much of that is going to survive the entire population of the global south being forced to move north due to climate change in that same 50 yearsDepends on how the global population prepares and adapts. Also, why would they move north? If they were to even move somewhere, it’d be to Antarctica.
>>2691270Ai doesn’t actually exist, and if climate change can cause that much damage to an entire field, we’d be practically dead.
>>2691271>what do you do with the humans afterwardsCommunism hopefully
>>2691270sometimes I wonder about alternate tech timelines where instead of having an industrial revolution focused on steam and electricity we focused more on making wood-based tech, or using animals in different ways, like spider silk
>>2691271you turn them into the people from wall E. there's no point in using robots to automate the human labor of producing commodities if you get rid of all the people who consume those commodities.
>>2691280>you turn them into the people from wall E. Transhumanism. Make some augmented humans.
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>>2691285The major organizations have got to work on salting the food and paper processing plants in the Sunbelt
>>2691275>>2691284May that kindly fat child get laid far more than I at that age
>>2691284That is Chad maxing.
Seriously what teenager lives the police? That's bitch shit. Cops bust kids smoking weed. They suck.
>>2691284He looks like that yellow dog that cleans and looks after the hallways for free from that US kids cartoon from 2000s with anthro animals. That janny who always does it for free. Even sounds similar.
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