>>2689722
He unironically should have just executed her instead of leaving her to grow into an enemy
>>2689967Lenin at the entrance of the inner Earth, the Communist Shangri-La, the Shambala has been returned
>>2689992tbh I prefer the five star one, the yellow band looks out of place.
>>2690215 (me)
Idk maybe he is an ok dude but he just comes off as a psyop for some weird reason. China is also friends with israel and maybe is obsession with gnostic Jesus is a pissraeli psyop.
>>2690215All these complaints sound like what TWists and Ultralefties say on a daily basis, just replace Chinese with American
>>2689992On the surface, I like the five star's design, but the fact that two of those stars represent the booj makes me hate it.
>>2690544>kinda on paper>not in realityIdk why people compare china to fascism when its a modern version of yugoslavia.
Did you remember to preorder Black Myth Zhong Qui?
>>2690215i'm suspicious that he seemed to get promoted in all the geopolitics YouTube spaces, and people were even making fake AI versions of him. some of it sounded like it could be convincing, but his followers act like he is a guru or some sort of cult.
China will take “all necessary measures” to fight infiltration and sabotage by foreign forces, the Foreign Ministry in Beijing has said, responding to a recent US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) recruitment ad targeting Chinese military personnel.
The spy agency’s Mandarin-language video, published on its YouTube account on Thursday, urged officers and troops to leak information on top Chinese leaders or regarding sensitive military or technological fields.
“China will take all necessary measures to resolutely combat infiltration and sabotage activities of foreign anti-China forces and resolutely safeguard national sovereignty, security and development interests,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Lin Jian told journalists on Friday, when asked about the CIA video.
The ad came just weeks after Beijing launched an anti-graft probe into its highest-ranking general, Zhang Youxia.
Speaking to troops in Beijing on Tuesday, President Xi Jinping described the past year as “a revolutionary tempering” in the fight against corruption for the Chinese army. Beijing has dismissed multiple top officials and more than a dozen generals in the three years since Xi intensified efforts to crack down on top-level corruption in 2023.
>>2689948lal salam
lal salam
>>2689967It's a lenin, u stupid shit. There's lotsa lenins in the world.
>>2690215>The Chinese dream is to be an american and go to starbucks (53:30)>Chinese are the most compliant people on earth and don't have imagination, as such they are not religious and don't have UFO culture (1:01:00)>Marx was Nick Fuentes and a psyop. In the 19th century everyone was socialist and then Marx came and ruined it with communism. (1:10:40)>Chinese cannot build new things, they can only do math tests, and high speed rail is unprofitable and will fall apart (1:30:40)>Maduro is a CIA asset and you will see him testify in court that he rigged the 2020 election (1:33:40)Hilarious
>>2690224If china so great, how cum china so great?!
>>2690544Fascists would LOVE to claim China as their own, vut can't.
>>2691125No but literally, China is so woke that the only people allowed to have guns are ethnic minorities that use 1600s muzzleloaders to hunt as a cultural activity
>>2690670I'm still waiting for the first game to have a decent sale
>>2691120gordon chang, peter zeihan, noah smith, et al., these clowns are just making it harder for the west to figure china out, they are producing the effect of intellectual fog for certain nervous western political elites clinging on to old comforting narratives. it doesn't matter. in five years time every one will speak like adam tooze, it will be impossible to ignore the real movement, the dance of the dialectic, the constanty changing material metamorphoses that is china. there are people within manufacturing and tech sectors in the west who have their ear to the ground and are beginning to piece together what is happening in china and they are in fucking slackjaw awe.
>>2690721He's liberal controlled opposition, you can tell once he starts saying some really retarded shit.
>>2692262Eunuch feeding the emperor false reports of the situation ahh bluds
>>2690669Because it currently has a market instead of a full-on command economy, but still has significantly more government involvement than neoliberalism, so people say fascist because they dont know any other things that fall somewhere between capitalism and socialism economically.
>>2690544>>2691125Some already try to claim China as based trad, conservative ethnonationalism. Basically some fascist scums are switching from Japan/ Korea to China. Some of the red browns/ nazbols in the west are definitely betting on this tactic. Combined with the hostility of the liberal left/ ultras towards China, it looks like a two pronged controlled opposition strategy from natsecs shitstains to me. This is why actual communists have to claim China's achievements as a result of Marxist political economy despite some theoretical or practical flaws from our viewpont (70% right/30 wrong approach). We also have to study Chinese political thought like Legalism, Confucianism or Daoism to explain the difference and learn to bridge the gap of knowledge. They are some chinese and sinophile reactionaries that try to explain away Marxism as just tradional chinese political thought (mostly Confucianism). In my view Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is Marxism-(Leninism)-Legalism. I think the Legalist part is one of the biggest blindspots in understanding China.
Zhao Dashuai mating press
>>2693269what would be the point of all of this ? having the "cultural" high ground ? (lol)
>>2693334The point is to have a better understanding of the most successful state in the coming decades. If you can explain to the regular prole that the material gains of China is the direct result of a material analysis of politics and the economy and the rigorous "authoritarian" implementation of these insights into law/ standards, then you can claim the "soft power" of China as an argument for Marxism. Material interest is the driving motif of everyone. Do you really think having the "aura" of China with all its tech and wealth backing your political movement is useless "cultural high ground"?
>>2693387I thought it was CGTV, damn, they deliberately made their icon look similar.
I thought this was good cause it meant chinese sythetic gold is devaluing gold.
China is an apolitical entity, they don’t give a fuck about you, you can’t read, write, or speak in Mandarin or Cantonese
>>2693387>meteorsThe anti-China hawks are desperate
>>2693476If you really want to be an anti china hawk, tell everyone the truth, that it’s a normal capitalist country
>>2693446What about Hannification plastic surgery for euroids + neuralink instant chinese learn?
We need to somehow get China to nurse us, we need Xi's massive breast milk.
>>2693477*normal capitalist country controlled by the communist party of China
>>2693484The Communist Party of China is neither Communist, nor a party, nor Chinese
>>2693485> nor Chinesebro, wut?
>>2693486If you knew anything you wouldn’t be asking
>>2693489Are they secretly French?
I knew it.
>>2693491Along with the KMT
>>2693494You don’t wanna see me when I’m having an episode you oriental production enjoyer
>>2693495Xi obviously has two breasts but only gives milk to the han chinese
this is a deep metaphor for China not nurturing its foreign supporters
Bay Area 415 spent 70 years of his life supporting and defending China and never ever received a thank you from the CPC when on his deathbed
>>2694352don't live in china but gonna start making it
>>2694352There’s probably a Fallout mod
China is just a pro wrestling heel, not an alternative, everything you’re seeing ad reading is kayfabe
🎉 🧧 恭喜发财 🔥 🐎 🎇
>>2694375>explaining geopolitics to an americanimagine wwe wrestlemania
>>2694378That’s not just geopolitics, it’s all politics, all spectacle that was formed and decided on in backrooms but with real deaths as a consequence
China doesn’t exist, it’s a fake country invented to justify western military budgets, you fell for Fu Manchu novels
>>2693481Xi looks like a gender swap of my ex, so I'm okay with this.
>>2693334The point of claiming China as a based trad ethnostate is to use China's success as evidence in favor of adopting Nazism in the West.
>>2693387>meteor of china, sign of CCP's endHEAVEN IS DISPLEASED, MANDATE OF HEAVEN LOST
>>2693485>nor Chinese>ITS DA JOOOOOOOOSsybau
>>2694352TBH this image seems a lot more popular outside the Chinese internet than inside it
>>2697132will the PRC start patent hawking like the USA? information should be free
>>2697145This won't happen because Western companies would rather abolish the system entirely than let China do that like with any other neoliberal international organization.
>>2697815>imf newsthe true proletarian news source
>>2697815>weak social protectionsMeasured not in quality of social protections, but in GDP expenditures.
My take is that China's high savings rate is because all basic needs are met, therefore Chinese just don't have anything they want to spend money on. People naturally choose financial security in the future over a second phone, car or house, for example
>>2697815Welfare expenditure is not socialism.
>>2697815china's wealth redistribution is taking the surplus + savings and investing it into the industrial base, energy grids, schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, etc which dramatically improves the quality of life for its people and feeds the feedback loops to build the 4th industrial revolution (4IR) tech for post-labor/post-scarcity economics. so the point is not to merely redistribute financial wealth, the point is to advance the forces of production to maximize the total possibility of wealth and create super abundance which abolishes wealth inequality itelf, ie "increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible" (CM, chapter 2)
so they should 100% stick to its state investment model like michael roberts urges. prioritizing financial redistribution or short term consumption leaves less investment for building 4IR (advance ai, autonomous robot factories, massive renewable energy, nuclear energy, etc), the master key to unlocking post-labor economy and the horizon of fully automated luxury communism. currently, companies can also get their return through exports which brings in new exogenus capital that gets subordinated to the long game overarching socialist project through target allocation, wheareas domestic consumption mainly recycles existing capital. if you feed the feedback loops through the SWCC state investment model, goods get cheaper any how.
>>2699047Very, because China already found at least some use for robots, while US manufacturers are still trying to sell them to the military
>>2699047a few thoughts
for one, the robots are a showcase for the advancement in actuators, battery, sensor, stabilization, coordination, etc. for instance, these robots have ultra-precise IMU sensors that measure acceleration + rotation about 1000 times per second + there are integrated AIs (to keep it simple) that predict the trajectory half a second in advance. what stands out to me most is the reliability, to do coordinated acrobatics in very long sequence in public. this is why dismissing “dancing robots” is stupid. not a single one of these robots failed during the performance (there was one fake out lol). you don’t think having extreme outside margin precise control of movement applies to safety around humans, robust locomotion, etc? you’re out of your mind and coping. the choreography and coordination is insane and mogs any of the boston dymanic short demos. humanoid robots from boston dynamic never leave the lab, they don't roll off assembly lines and can't be purchased. boston dynamics humanoid robots also have much less battery life, abandoned hydraulic actuation and now use chinese motors/actuators to try to catch up while unitree g1 are available to purchase. 90% of all humanoid robots sold globally last year were chinese and they are much cheaper and have better tech than their competition.
>>2699778beyond humanoid robots, china is poised to dominate robotics in general. a decade ago, china relied on imported robots for nearly three quarters of its total demand. today, china produces 57% of its industrial robots domestically. local firms are also beginning to take over the higher-end market segments. building an identical robot arm (modeled after the Universal Robots UR5e) in the US is ~2.2x more expensive than in china. and when you look under the hood, even if those components are labeled “Made in USA”, they rely heavily upon china-made parts and materials. that's because china has a dense manufacturing base that is vertically integrated which allows for scale, rapid iteration and innovation. china actually holds about two-thirds of the world’s effective patents in robotics, or over 190 thousand patents.
critically, china is rapidly advancing and at the frontier in many of the parts that make up a robot: actuators, high precision motors, high grade permanent magnets, sensors, battery, gearbox, microcontroller unit, etc. robotics after all is a systems engineering problem. and the end goal is a machine that can produce one or more human unit of work at equal or lower cost than that of a human. it is the mechanical basis for enabling full scale automation of manufacturing, allowing for massive expansion in production capacities through robotic factories that can produce goods entirely autonomously. general purpose robotics would make this indistinguishable from a living organism, with mobile or humanoid-ish robots constantly moving around and solving tasks to support and keep the organism alive and functional. it goes beyond the efficient tools of the 1st to 3rd industrial revolution that enhances human labor. it's an entire new way of producing value because it replaces human labor. this echoes marx's 'fragments on machine' , where he speculates: “As soon as labor in the direct form has ceased to be the great well-spring of wealth… capital itself is destroyed,” and "The development of fixed capital [machinery] tends to reduce the direct labor time employed in production, thereby undermining the very foundation on which capitalist production rests." and china is setting itself up as the country with the capability to do this because it has the massive industrial base to scale the production of robots and the production of energy to power the whole damn thing. these robotic systems will also evolve and self improve as AI foundation models become more reliable, accurate, and self improving. china already has enabled robots to build robots at their KUKA (owned by china) factory in guangdong. while the US is also at the frontier of AI, AI only becomes historically transformative and reaches its full potential when it is embedded into material production systems, that is, when atoms meets algorithms…. within historical materialism, it is the advancement of the forces of material production that drives changes to the relations of production, galvanizing a historical site of struggle, which brings me to my next thought.
on the gala performance, we see the literal and figurative dance of the dialectic, the interplay between humans and technology, the real, ongoing contradiction between the development of machines alongside human culture and labor. the fact that it's at a cultural event, the spring festival (spring representing dialectical renewal) now marks technology not just being introduced as a tool but as an agentic participant within historical materialism and social practice. the youth in the video obviously represent the new generation that will inherit these new forces. notably, it stages a sequence of approach/awe, confrontation and integration. this actually mirrors how marxist theory describes the historical emergence of new productive forces. the video starts off with with kicks, blocks, circling at a testing distance like kung-fu sparring, not cooperative dance at first. kung fu itself represents discipline over power, learning the logic of motion, understanding an opponent, etc. when the kids square up with the robots, the robots are presented as an opponent force and an alien power. this is basically a theatrical version of a worker encountering autonomous automation (notice how the robots are able to manipulate and wield tools). the youth seems to be able to overpower or outmaneuver the robots but the robots actually come back as the return of the negated with increasing power. the robots come back more dynamic, faster, and more numerous led by some final boss, even the weapon is upgraded. humans can no longer simply dominate but must adapt. they learn to reorganize life around these new quality productive forces. if the humans defeated them, the message would be technophobia. if the robots dominated, the message would be dystopia. instead, it ends with cooperative movement and harmony, a new higher stage of historical development.
>>2699049what's being built here isn't actually a bridge between xiamen and kinmen (technically jinmen if you're using pinyin), but the bridge between xiamen proper and the city's new international airport. the actual bridge between the PRC and the ROC would need to be built by the latter, which is why it hasn't left the planning stage so far. kinmen is in the awkward position of being controlled by the ROC while not being part of taiwan (legally it's a part of fujian province), which means its local politics is pretty separate from the rest of the country. taiwanese independence doesn't have any support there, and the local council, dominated by the KMT, is willing to work with the PRC if it means improving the island's economy.
the building of the bridge requires approval from the ROC government in general though, which means that as long as the DPP is in power, they'll never approve it over "security concerns", even if the project is supported by the majority of kinmen residents.
>>2700998Bridge would be a propaganda disaster for ROC, because people will run away from Taiwan to China officially and visibly
In 20 years every Chinese Xer is going to die next to a nursing home robot
>>2702958They need to build a sex robot that can give handjobs without tearing off your dick, this is important.
What's some essentital /China/ readings to understand China?
>>2694083>>2694876compared to last year,
the progress is insane
>>2701105My brother in Xi, 10% of the entire Taiwan-born population is currently living and working in mainland China.
>>2704594>>2704699It's hilarious how transparent the collusion between US state and US press is. There is no independent press under capitalism. They also have overt censorship, now that the cultural war was lost to China
>>2703080depends,
what do you want to understand?
>>2704699The story is such bullshit that the best they can do is a lion dancer picture
>>2697815God imagine being able to save money. Chinese people really living the dream out there
>>2697815>>2697815>Under the current roadmap (outlined in party congress reports):>By 2035: Achieve “basic socialist modernization.”>By 2049: Become a “fully modern socialist country” so still almost a decade left
>>2706009
you're bored and wanna shitpost
so has the hong kong government done anything to alleviate the housing shortage? i remember they claimed they were going to builds lots of new apartments on the border with shenzhen yet nothing appears to be going on on google maps
>>2700998why do so many people live on jinmen?
>>2706009
The People's Catfight
>>2703080https://www.readingthechinadream.com/>>2706009My waifu fighting my other waifu, but this is nothing compared to my third waifu yelling on the top of her lungs in the streets at a man while pointing at him (super rude in Asia) as soon as I arrived in Beijing. The Chinese can indeed be pretty lively, but most of the time they are just normal calm people.
>>2706277he's probably a high level CIA sent to infriltrate china.
once the job is done they're disposable. nobody's going to listen to him if he talks, because he's already been labelled a 'traitor', and if he does then he'll be found strangled with his sheets.
>>2700889Literally what the average white male in America thinks, why are they like this
>>2706871I didn't even know there were olympics going on, though?..
>>2706873its the winter olympics, only nordcucks like me, russia(BANNED), switzerland, canada, and other countries where snow actually exists cares about it
>>2706393Crakkkerdom is a mental illness.
>>2706873as the other anon replied, winters olympics. the Chinese account didn't reply or mentioned any other country in the world. and of course, the US had chime in to show how retarded they are.
this bipartisanship of people acting like spoiled children is insane.
>>2706871>a river of dicksa gay man's dream
>>2706871Stupidly funny how Austria is higher than China when they have the same amount of gold medals
>>2711725what is taiwan doing there ?
>>2706277>literally still doing trade with China>no media outlets make articles about how the bourgeois “Betray their country” by doing thisCurious
>>2711725Wow, India has joined the internationam community! Great for them!
>>2707238>Stupidly funny how Austria is higher than China when they have the same amount of gold medalsIt's for the same reason that USraeli olympians don't have to compete as "Independent Neutral Athletes" but Belarusians and Russians do.
>>2711700Gunter Fehlinger's more a meme than a man. It's almost at the level as responding to a Glownonymous post. He'll have to do more than that to equal the great Chen Weihua.
>>2711808>no media outlets make articles about how the bourgeois “Betray their country” by doing thisNationalist expectations of absolute loyalty, like borders, only exist for proles.
>>2702958I will never pull out.
>>2713753Doing historical reenactments with the boys
>>2713523this reads like an ad tbh
>>2713741I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when the "no guns" deal was proposed the first time. Do we even know whose idea it was?
>>2713523>Neither the author nor the publisher, Oilprice.com, was paid to publish this communication concerning REalloys (NASDAQ: ALOY). However, the owner of Oilprice.com owns shares and/or stock options of the featured company and therefore has an incentive to see the featured company’s stock perform well. The owner of Oilprice.com may buy or sell shares of the featured company at any time including at or near the time you receive this communication. This share ownership should be viewed as a major conflict with our ability to be unbiased. This is why we stress that you conduct extensive due diligence as well as seek the advice of your financial advisor or a registered broker-dealer before investing in any securities.I dont doubt they started investing in it, but building up the capacity will take years
>>2706393They will and do kill their own mothers just so they know they made life harder for a negro. What I'm not sure of is do they think no whites get government gibs or do they think welfare is entitled to only whites because only white people pay taxes in their minds?
>>2715176
How do I profit from this?
Trump fucked up bad. Based on current trends and technological innovation, the future is electrons. With oil prices spiking up because of the war, the US petrostate is ironically supercharging the Chinese electrostate and speeding up the future. While the US is doubling down on coal and oil, China is electrifying its economy. For instance, in 2020, 99% of new trucks in China ran on diesel. By the end of 2025, 46% of new trucks were EV. It's projected to be 60% by the end of this year. And by virtue of scale, manufacturing capacity, and supply chain integration, China has also positioned itself to completely dominate green tech/energy exports.
With the oil shock, green tech exports from China will accelerate even more, further strengthening the build up of their industrial base and other countries reliance on Chinese supply chains. It will be a boon for Chinese EVs, solar panels, battery storage, etc. We've already been seeing this trend in the past few years, for instance, wind power turbines exports from China to the EU was up by 66% in 2025. Countries like Pakistan has rapidly increased their green tech imports from China. Now we're going it see speed up even more as renewable technology become more attractive globally and governments plan accordingly and private industries react to energy prices.
https://cleantechnica.com/2025/04/04/pakistans-22-gw-solar-shock-how-a-fragile-state-went-full-clean-energy/>Pakistan’s 22 GW Solar Shock: How a Fragile State Went Full Clean Energy>It’s more solar than Canada has installed in total. It’s more than the UK added in the past five years. And yet it didn’t make a blip in most Western media. While the U.S. continued its decade-long existential crisis about grid interconnection queues and Europe squabbled over permitting reforms, Pakistan skipped the drama and just bought the panels.And while China will face some head winds due to increasing oil prices, they are still structurally in a better position to weather it compared to Europe, Japan, South Korea, etc. China's net fossil fuel imports are roughly 20% of primary energy demand. Japan is 87%, South Korea is 81%, and Germany is 67%. China also built up a massive amount of strategic oil reserves in the past 2 years taking advantage of low oil prices. Europe, Japan, South Korea do not have the same relative stockpile buffer. Unlike these countries, China also produces 30% of its oil which is state owned. Iran is also allowing only Chinese oil tanker ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz.
This leads into how the oil shock is intensifying China Shock 2.0. As China upgrades its manufacturing base and technological capitality, they are directly competing with industrial export economies like German, Japan, and South Korea. Those countries are much more dependent on fossil fuel imports which means higher energy cost and less competitive industries. The war is effectively creating a crisis loop by reducing these countries industrial competitiveness, increasing their green tech imports and reliance on Chinese supply chains, while advancing China's industrial base. Also, Germany is really fucked because of the war in Ukraine and getting cut off from Nord Stream pipelines which already spiked energy prices.
>>2713753>Really liked these armor designs so I decided to look more about this Arknights game<It's fucking moeblob gacha slopWhy is the Chinese Vidya industry so ass? It's like they can't make anything that isn't gacha shit.
>>2715236It's retardedly ironic how USA went full imperialist trying to pour American oil down everyone's throats at the precipice of green energy age
>>2715236"Communism electrification" proven correct again.
>>2716503Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country!
>>2715356Gooners are easy money
>>2717462They’re probably lying
Will China do reverse shok therapy on the U.S. when the time comes?
>>2718393God i hope so
Would it be better to move to Chinese Taipei before or after the blockade?
>>2718399
>"three main dialects"
wonder what this dead retard thought he was talking about here
>>2718399
Honestly just sounds like utter nonsense he made up to try impress someone.
But funny if true.
>>2718556>According to a statement by Bağımsız Maden İş, 70 percent of the mine’s shares were transferred to Qitaihe Longcoal last December.The company before them gave them this mess. Fiba Holding the Turkish company initiated downsizing laying off 1700 miners. They avoided paying the back wages then sold their shares. Qitaihe said they would be paid as soon as possible, however there is a financial dispute between Fiba Holding and Qitaihe Longcoal Mining because Fiba fucked Qitaihe and the employees over.
>>2711725This is the greatest thing if its true, all religioius vermin should have their organs harvested and have human experiments conducted onto them, there are rational people who need those organs more.
>>2719069edgy shitposter or polyp tourist
The only difference between the KMT and the CPC is competence, they have the exact same politics and literally always have
>>2718974You do realize atheists are a global minority accounting for about 10% of the population? Your point of view could disappear statistically as a rounding error.
is there no oil in the east china sea? it looks like those continental shelves that are filled with oil like the persian gulf of the gulf of mexico
>>2719780No, this is retarded. China doesn't see Iran war as existential or even all that threatening. To explain, look at China reaction to Pakistani-Afghan conflict that's going on. Who is China supporting? NOBODY. Because both are bourgeois states doing stupid shit. When you understand that China is a socialist state that has to deal with capitalist crap, it all becomes crystal clear what's it all about, and why China doesn't buy into red paint of countries like Venezuela, and why China, instead of ideological loyalty, demands instead economic ties.
China fully intends to simply wait USA out of the hegemony, by USA spending itself on stupid shit and wars, like the one with Iran. Iran may buy stuff, enjoy some diplomatic help, but China never did write down any kind of a contract making Iran an ALLY, only a partner. IIRC the only allyship China has is with DPRK.
>>2721270>>2721270>China fully intends to simply wait USA out of the hegemony, by USA spending itself on stupid shit and wars, like the one with Iran.They would be very stupid to do that because the USA controls the global currency on which even now the PRC depends. Furthermore many of the wars the USA/Israel is engaging in today are meant to deny economic partners to the PRC. By force countries that would do commerce with the PRC are being made give preferential treatment to the USA/Israel instead. One of the worst consequences of a destabilized Iran would be that possibly the USA/Israel could set up military bases in it. Further surrounding the PRC with USA/Israel military bases.
>>2719200now imagine if every one of those was carrying something to a burger in the strait
>>2720040not the annoying edgelord anon but i hasten to add to your point that it is the (particular) religious worldviews which are dying in favor of general religious non affiliation (but not atheism necessarily)
>>2721276>They would be very stupid to do that because the USA controls the global currency on which even now the PRC depends.Depends, yes, for now, but decreasingly so with each passing day. The Chinese and even the Japanese are dumping their dollar reserves. While the US seems unable to plan for dedollarization, and is lashing out at the world like a typical dying empire, everyone else has plans for dedollarization.
>>2721282also even among the explicitly religious, institutional attendance is on the decline, leading to more particularized and individualized forms of faith and doctrinal interpretations which may not be in line with the original manipulative intentions of the various sectarian clergy.
>>2721285Revolution is not a series of evolutions, the entire global system was designed with the US as a centerpiece, its not just a matter of waiting until its wars abroad get it exhausted. It must be overturned consciously, and this will not happen without organization. But of course China does not accept dialectical thinking anymore and all sorts of petty nationalists get a lot of sway pretending that working with other countries some sort of grand betrayal of China's interests.
>>2721276>which even now the PRC dependsthis dependency is circumstantial not material
>>2721270technically allies with Mongolia too
>>2721276Having the global reserve currency eventually led to the US having its industrial base hollowed out and the rise of China. That has manifested in its current account deficit, making it mathematically impossible for the US to provide development assistance to the Global South on an appreciable scale. That's the problem. Milei, the biggest Israel and Trump cocksucker understood that reality after coming to power. Before winning the election, Milei called China an assassin and said he would not make deals with them. He directly said, "I am not going to do business with China." After being in power for a few months, Milei said this about China: "We have a lot to do together, they’re great trade partners," Milei said. “The idea is to deepen the commercial relationship."
>Well, sometimes one has to learn," Milei said, when asked about his new appreciation for China in office, eliciting laughs and applause from the audience. “Don’t you learn every day? Well, if I don’t learn, I hurt Argentines. I have extra pressure to learn fast.”Meanwhile, Chinese made vehicles now account for 20% of all new cars sales in Mexico. Canada made a deal to start letting in Chinese EVs. Germany is moving its BASF plants to China and the two countries' economic integration has only deepened over the years. Even the Philippines, under the pro-US Marcos Jr, has its trade with China significantly increased. Saudi Arabia, a major ally of the US, is one of the largest recipients of Chinese BRI construction contracts. The US waged long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but now they are both part of BRI and China is rebuilding the infrastructure in these countries. Biden tried to compete against BRI with Build Back Better World. It was much, much smaller in scale and it failed.
Why dont china buy gas from usa? Does china even buy anything from usa?
>>2723292Because China wants to see USA collapse or decline into irrelevancy, obviously.
>>2723381Because USA is an imperialist country
>>2723375I don’t think they want a collapse, but rather a decline they can utilize.
>>2723386and it doesnt make a mystery of wanting to keep china down
>>2719200Based & communism pilled.
Trust le plan.
I HATE THIS PLACE
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 7 YRS!
NOTHING WORKS HERE! THE MEDICATIONS DON'T WORK!
I H8 THIS PLACE
The CCP should stop supporting a literally corrupt fascist gang who rules my country. Most people here already dislike the USA, and now hatred is shifting toward China instead if they don't fix anything.
China view on Iran Israel war?
>>2728778Im so many times reminded of the ballsy move Japan did against USA in WW2 by surprise sinking down their pacific fleet. I would expect something similiar from PRC when they are confident about timing.
>>2728791pearl harbor was such a shit plan the americans allowed it to happen. the main fleet wasn't even there. i would hope china isn't that retarded
The only difference between Mao Zedong and Leon Trotsky is Mao held state power
>>2728830nooo but he insulted my heckin stalin
>>2732049>small business owners imitating hitler.jpgI like when classes act exactly how the theory says
The reasons I can't support China, despite their obvious economic and geopolitical Ws, are simple:
-not democratic (don't (You) me with the ML definition of democracy, without elections there is no way to enforce democratic will because there is no punishment for straying from it)
-anti-queer
-anti-union (thus the 72 hour work week)
-no porn (very important)
>>2732674>muh democracy is only when bourgeois electionsFuck off and go read what a Soviet/council is. How is a voluntary council consisting of locals with no barriers for entry, which also has full breadth of power on it's territory, less democratic than parliamentarist retardation?
>>2732049this is funny but also a sign of how capitalism is becoming a cultural force inside the PRC.
>>2732683>muh SovietsThey have no meaningful power and are subordinate, ultimately, to the Politburo, which is not an elected body and is accountable to no one. It's not a bottom-up system, it's a top-down system.
>>2732691If you meet the average person you’d know why democracy is a bad idea
>>2732688I didn't say it was illegal, I know it's legal. But they also can't get married and media is (mostly) scrubbed of them because it's illegal to "promote" it.
>>2732692If you knew anything about the average head of state you'd know why it's better to trust the average person
>>2732693They’re in the middle of reforming civl partnerships to the point where it will be indistinguishable legally and bureaucratically from marriage without pissing off the religious and the rural populations
>>2732695Or perhaps humans are just inherently untrustworthy
>>2732702That only makes my case better, because if there's elections, we can at least punish leaders we don't like.
>>2732710Elections are charisma and popularity contests, that’s neither objective or scientific
>>2732715Politics aren't scientific or objective anyway so I don't see your point.
>>2732720If you want good outcomes they need to be
>>2732726Hypothetically you're right, but there's no way I can think of to create an incentive structure that ensures it.
>>2732749That’s why I’ve given up on politics, it’s gonna have to be non human animals to pick up the pieces
>>2732720>Politics aren't scientific or objective anyway so I don't see your point.What. Then why make a big deal about whether democracy? If there is no set of arguments and facts for why representative democracy works, then it shouldn't be placed on a pedestal above other forms of goverment.
Did you guys know that the KMT declared the primary enforcer of the Three Alls Policy to be Not Guilty of war crimes at the Shanghai Trials?
Apparently they saw it as nothing more than a great anti-Communist operation, something that they wanted to mimic, and so they hired him, Yasuji Okamura, as an advisor against the Communists during the Chinese Civil War.
Here's Mao seething about it in 1949.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-4/mswv4_52.htm>>2733558And pla's artillery corps were made up of japanese soldiers. Your point.
>>2733558another weird fact about the sino japanese war was how general matsui (rape of nanking general) was best friends with sun yat sen, and other sun yat sen era chinese nationalist figures.
T b f him he didnt want nanking to happen but still its ironic. The genuine pan asianist was connected to the rape of all people.
>>2732674>without elections lol they have elections you retard
>anti-queerno
>no porn its exactly the kind of thing that will always get through the bans anyway, and preventing capitalist exploitation of it is good
>>2732674> without elections there is no way to enforce democratic will because there is no punishment for straying from itHow's that democratic will working out for the West at the moment with all the wars?
>>2732674>-no porn (very important)If you think Chinese people aren't watching porn I don't know what to tell you.
>>2733668They arent watching porn. They are fucking.
>Chinese elections
May we see them? I'd love to know who was running against who, what their platforms were, and how many votes they got
>>2733029Because the fact all politics are ultimately subjective judgments doesn't change the fact I have preferences, it's merely an acknowledgement that they *are* preferences, not laws of reality. All politics are ultimately struggles between factions with differing preferences for the control and use of power structures, even if it's as petty as "I want to be in charge instead of you so I can loot the treasury for myself" or something.
>>2733668There's no legal way to do it and that's not ok
>>2733640In order:
No they don't (elections mean nothing if opposition is banned)
Yes they are (being legal is the bare fucking minimum, let's have higher standards please)
Pathetic excuse. Porn is not inherently exploitative in its production, that idea is just an excuse to ban it by people who don't like it.
>>2691113They have an advantage in that Mossad agents are unlikely to pass as Chinese-born
>>2733560Looking for a source on this.
>>2733581>The genuine pan asianist was connected to the rape of all people.I think Matsui Iwane himself has a quote about something like how Japan is the loving Father within the family structure of the Asian nations, and therefore Japan has the right to corporal punishment if the other nations stray from the interest of the family. That's just how Pan-Asianism was understood.
Also, Sun Yat-sen was quite pro-Japan, in the sense that he advocated for looking at Japan as a model for removing the unequal treaties and how an Asian culture can modernize. So Matsui being agreeable when Chinese nationalist leaders had that position of looking up to Japan is also not so crazy. The Reorganized China government positioned itself as the successor to Sun Yat-sen's ROC, saying it was staying true to Sun's desire for China to be friendly with and learn from Japan. They even tried to build the Wang Jingwei mausoleum right next to Sun Yat-sen's.
>>2734154>mug bourgeois democracy is the only way to conduct elections!fucking kys retard lib
>>2734692There is no way to ensure a socialist country remains democratic without competitive elections unless you believe your movement happens to be led by some Platonic Socialist Philospher King. But even if you claim that Ill never trust you, because every despot that wants to take over under the guise of serving the people claims that. The risk cannot be taken.
>>2734700Elections are bad, actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_EpsteinWe got our Epstein, but he was good guy LMAO
Israel Epstein[a] (20 April 1915 – 26 May 2005) was a Chinese journalist. Born in Poland, Epstein was one of the few foreign-born Chinese citizens of non-Chinese origin to become a member of the Chinese Communist Party.
Early life and education
Israel Epstein was born on 20 April 1915 in Warsaw to Jewish parents;[1][2] Warsaw was then part of Congress Poland, which was under Imperial Russian control. His father had been imprisoned by the authorities of Tsarist Russia for leading a labor uprising and his mother had been exiled to Siberia. Epstein's father was sent by his company to Japan after the outbreak of World War I; when the German Army approached Warsaw, his mother and Epstein fled and joined him in Asia. With his family experiencing anti-Jewish sentiment in several places, in 1917, Epstein came to China with his parents at the age of two and they settled in Tianjin in 1920. Epstein was raised there.[2]
>>2703080This article and book are excellent, I highly recommend.
(Also don't bother with that one written by Roland Boer he one of the biggest distorters of Marxism with him being a Calvinist theologian).
>>2743203>automate cement>simultaneously invest in green building material sectortruly based
Why is there no talk about the new 5-year-plan?
>>2744461China is still trying to catch up but there's no harm in importing the latest batch of American spyware to see what NATO is up to.
>>2689967It's the bust of Lenin near the magnetic south pole.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/southern-pole-of-inaccessibility>>2743401I can't imagine what it's like to be Gazan. So many technologies that the rest of the world uses innocuously is just for violence and oppression there. Shit's fucked
>>2744461They made fun of China's car industry too, now they say nothing. Just give them time
>>2744668>>2744755Those are old chips though. There's no point in importing them.
>>2745003ofc there is, cheap computing power when your own industry hasnt reached enough production to completely fulfill your need yet
Asians genuinely have the low esteem of any racial group and it makes cringe at the way they describe themselves
I've heard so many Asian men talk about themselves in a decrepit manner or how they'll include the fact that they're Asian when listing out their flaws.
The Asian women aren't much better and are honestly the most damaging ones of the group. If seen more Asian hate come from AF than the Black and Hispanic community combined. It's weird because Asian women are desired right now due to them being Asian, and they hate the same trait that makes them attractive.
Idk, I think it has to do with the perception of being sexualized or something like that.
But most of these problems revolve around white proximity and how Asians thinks it benefits them more than harms them, or they think it doesn't harm them at all. They don't have a voice and are heavily seen through the lens of stereotypes due to this for both the men and women.
>>2746895This is why race must be abolished
>>2747782Jason is a naive idealist. China was poorer than most of Africa in the 70's and this gives their development some perspective.
>>2747782Youtubers like Jason Unruhe and Dumanist are right and we need more people like them.
What pisses me off is that more and more well known leftist academics and journalists are saying that China is socialist. It's something I've observed over the past 10 years, people like
John Bellamy Foster - Marxist professor, editor of the Monthly Review, one of the most prominent Marxist academic journal in the world
Michael Robertson - Marxist economist, runs a popular leftist blog call The Next Recession
Michael Hudson - Professor and well known Marxst economist in leftist circles, wrote the book Super Imperialism
Vijay Prashad - Most well known Marxist academic from India
Ben Norton - Very popular socialist journalist
Alfredo Saad-Filho - Most well known Marxist intellectual from Brazil
Nathan J Robinson - Socialist and editor-in-chief of Current Affairs magazine, wrote a book call "Why You Should Be Socialist"
Domenico Losurdo - One of the most renowned and influential Italian Marxist philosophers
etc
Even Aaron Bastani, the guy who wrote Fully Automated Luxury Communism recently proclaimed himself as a Dengist, what the fuck? We also have the most popular leftist streamers like Hasan Piker and MikeFromPa that are pro-China. How do we as Maoists combat this? Chomsky wasn't a Maoist, but at least he was a very popular intellectual and libertarian socialist who would critique China, but now he's too old
>>2747782Hysteria about dystopia in China are just orientalist lies.
>>2747986>literally every single relevant marxist academician and journalists agree china is socialist>even the big left streamers agree>chomsky the anticommunist epsteinite and some irrelevant nobodies streamers disagreelol did you ever consider you could be wrong?
>>2748000china is neither utopia or dystopia. however, without the cpc, they would be like india. instead, they are conscious conductors of the dialectical process because they understand marxism. in historical materialism, it is contradictions that are the engines of historical change and development. thus the cpc intentionally creates contradictions, then resolves or transforms them through policy and power. instead of passively waiting for contradictions to become unbearable, they actively manage and steer them.
for instance, (thesis) rapid industrialization and export-driven growth led to environmental degradation and pollution. (antithesis) thus they launch anti-pollution and green initiatives, and major investments in rewewable energy. as a result, (synthesis) annual deaths from air pollution in china peaked in 2013 and are now below 1990 levels, and they are now also much more industrialized than before.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/10/pollutionwatch-air-pollution-in-china-falling-study-shows>Since 2008, pollution countrywide has declined by about 40 percent, and by about 50 percent in Beijing. Because of these reductions, Chinese citizen can expect to live 2 to 4 years longer. This come from air pollution measured by US embassies in China as well as hyper-localized satellite pollution measurements for the entire world.https://aqli.epic.uchicago.edu/news/pollution-in-beijing-is-down-by-half-since-the-last-olympics-adding-four-years-onto-lives/further more, there's the three-north shelterbert forest program which aims to rehabilitate former wastelands, deserts, and degraded soils by planting forests or grasslands. nasa study shows a quarters of the world's new reforestation comes from china. china has also launched multiple regional ecological restoration efforts like soil erosion control in the plateau regions, desertification control, paddy field expansion, terracing and contour farming, irrigation and water management projects, etc.
however, contradictions create possibilities, not guarantees. in ideal conditions, contradictions can become engines of transformation if there is a conscious political subject (e.g. a revolutionary party), political education, and the ability to seize or reshape the state. china has the state capacity for strategic governance through the marxism-leninism centralized state structure + party discipline. because of this, they can consciously put dialectical materialism into action and accelerate the growth from these contradictions without spiraling into crisis.
in india, many contradictions deepen but are not resolved. for instance with caste vs capital, dalits are overrepresented in precarious labor but underrepresented in capital ownership. so the contradiction is profound but there's no synthesis, just ongoing violence, token policies, and repression. there's also urbanization vs infrastructure where cities expand chaotically with slums, gated enclaves, and pollution but no socialist reorganization of space. this contradiction is only growing as there is no revolutionary mediation. it's why inequality is worsening in india, and it is hard for the state to resolve this as state power has become fragmented and hijacked by capital, which then redirects class contradictions into caste politics or religious chauvinism/fascism(e.g., "hindus are poor because of muslims")
meanwhile, inequality is decreasing in china. china understood that when it introduced market reforms to unleash productive forces and rapid urbanization, it would result in uneven development and inequality. however, this contradiction is in the process of being resolved with the common prosperity initative. after the costal cities became developed, china's regional disparity has been shrinking for the past two decades due to targeted poverty alleviation initiatives. gini index has gone from 0.43 to .35 in a decade. also, reducing income inequality is not the only measure of equality.
study shows the inequality gap between educational outcomes in rural and urban areas is shrinking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10877417/the inequality gap in health outcomes between rural and urban areas is narrowing as well
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9566669/this process is ongoing as the Party’s governance is anchored in two major temporal goals. by 2035, china aims to achieve “basic socialist modernization,” which includes becoming a global leader in industrial and technological capacity, advancing toward a high-income economy, reducing inequality, and improving social infrastructure. by 2049, the centenary of the people's republic of china, the cpc envisions building a “modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, and harmonious.” these milestones basically function as dialectical markers that signals key transitions in the relationship between the base and the superstructure. and the cpc never pretended contradictions wouldn't happen, instead, it sees them as necessary developmental moments that it must actively manage. remember, after the USSR chose to dissolve itself, and russia opened its economy to the global market, it did not have the same success as china. it declined even further with catastrophic social consequences. it lacked the strong planning institutions to intervene early and resolve contradictions, so the contradictions accumulated and exploded unpredictably.
Did Tiananmen Square massacre happened or it's just western proaganda?
>>2748423it didnt happen, at least how libs tell it
nobody got killed in the square proper, even some cia reports and protesters admit it, it was just evacuated when things started to get out of hand
now in the whole city, there were a lot violent acts from the protesters, including killing some of the stick wielding soldiers that came in the first wave, so when the second wave came they were armed and there were death on both sides. You can check out the china government account of it (because contrary to the western propaganda, they do talk about it, their narrative is just very different)
>>2747782The people's gacha pedo slop
>>2747986its because the material premise for the existence of communism is the building of productive forces. at least thats what some guy named marx said
>>2747986>How do we as Maoists combat this? stop universalizing the maoist experience into different conditions? a maoist who wins ppw and establishes dtop in a conflicted world where capitalism persists must develop her nation and becomes a dengist.
What's the skateboarding scene like in China?
>>2748423In January of 1987 Deng Xiaoping and the other party officials decided to remove Hu Yaobang from his position as General Secretary of the CPC (Deng was the most powerful person in the party but held the position of Chairman of the Military) due to the fact that Hu refused to crack down on the pro-liberal student protests that had been happening for weeks in the major cities in China that were demanding full political and economic liberalism (his removal was part of the party's Anti-bourgeois liberalisation campaign). Zhao Ziyang was then given Hu's position, later on in April 1989 Hu had a heart attack while was attending a politburo meeting and died a few day later.
This event was what started the Tiananmen Square protests (the June Fourth Incident as its called in China) tens of thousands of the liberal students travelled to the square under the pretence of attending Hu's funeral and used this moment to stage a massive call for full Liberalism in China. This also coincides with the color revolutions that were happening across the Warsaw Pact at the time and a state visit from Gorbachev to China (who supported the students). The CPC started by requesting for the students to peacefully clear the square (the number of protestors was 500,000+ at this point), after no results from this Deng Xiaoping realized that the only way to clear the square and prevent the party and socialism from being overthrown was to declare martial law and send the PLA in to clear out the square and the surrounding area (the protestors now controlled both the square and the suburbs around it). At the same time this was when Zhao Ziyang revealed himself as complete liberal and a supporter of the protestors he gave supportive speeches in the square to them saying that the party leaders were
old and did not matter. So Deng acted by ordering in the military dissipate all the protestors, this was when the protest turned violent as the other anon who replied to you said they sent in a first wave without guns this resulted in them being attacked, killed, lynched and burnt alive. The protestors also attacked a large column hundreds of military APCs and other vehicles with Molotov Cocktails. They also attacked military supply buses carrying assault rifles and grenades using these to open fire on the PLA and police. These were the protestors killed by the PLA (around 200 protestors and at least 23 soldiers and police died during this fight) this happened in the streets and area outside the square not inside of it. There was never any slaughter in the square or crushing people with tanks as the liberal narrative wants you to think. The square was finally successfully cleared, it was chaotic but there never was any massacre of civilians. The famous 'tank man' image isn't even from the June 4th clearing of the square its from the day after and the tanks are leaving the square not entering it.
After these events Zhao Ziyang was put under a life sentence of house arrest and his allies were expelled from the party. In the end Deng was fully correct in using the PLA, it saved world Communism from being completely defeated in the late 1980s. it's just sad that the Warsaw Pact didn't stop their color revolutions the same way.
>>2751457China is capitalist
>>2751457>>2751457why are you trusting a usa think thank imperialist rag on marx and their geopolitical enemies you retard
>>2751461I'm not "trusting" anything. I'm looking for a counter-argument.
>>2751457This is a classic attack on Communist nations dating back to least the 1950s when the Yugoslav anti-communist Milovan Djilas published a book called
The New Class (1957) the basic idea is that communism is pointless because they have abandoned Marx and recreated a new class society of bureaucrats and business executives and that we need to stay capitalist because 'at least that class society has human rights', etc. The media will use any tactic & strategy they can to undermine communist countries and stop people from supporting them, this is just that same tactic from the first cold war reused.
>>2751457Clapping? I mean that title is just correct
>>2751457how often do chinese students ever wonder about the communist party
>>2751575Can someone explain to me why pedophilia is so common in online sinophobes like this guy? Every single major or minor online personality who was a rampant sinophobe has been outed as a pedo at one point.
I have noticed that recently this thread has been really slow…
>>2751635Pedophilia is a symptom of reactionary thinking. The desire to halt the dialectical development of nature extended to sexuality. Rightism creates pedophilia.
CAn someone post the Chinese kids singing the 'America is a robber' song?
>>2746895I don't have a "fetish" but I do think that muscle asian guys are probably the sexiest demographic. Partly because of the internalized autoracism
>>2751457Yasheng Huang is a Gordon Chang, Peter Zeihan China-will-fall-soon type, but more embedded within the U.S. academic establishment, as he went to Harvard Business School and MIT Sloan. He's also affiliated with the Epoch Foundation (
https://epoch.org.tw), writes for WSJ, the Economist, etc. This is where you're getting your views from? The dude doesn't understand Marxism, affirms Western bourgeoise democracy and has been betting against China for decades. In 2003, he published the article 'Can India overtake China', where he argued that China's bureaucratic system was not conducive to long term economic/technological development, and that India would ultimately overtake China. We can all observe how that turned out. However, I think it's actually an advantage for China when Experts in the West are like him. They reduce the analytical quality of discussions about China. Policies and decisions end up getting informed by flawed data and ideological distortion, just listen to any of his panels filled with the same China Watcher types to see how this echo chamber reinforces itself.
>>2751574One delivers noodles in Shanghai. The other delivers tacos in NYC. Only one has healthcare, a pension, and legal rights. Guess which? In China, the sector is getting formalized. They have government mandated benefits like providing healthcare to gig workers. Local governments in China provide in-person support. Meanwhile, the US does not have a centralized, nationwide push for formal benefits for gig workers because they are considered independent contractors. Anyways, the whole sector will get automated within the coming decades as China climbs the dialectical ladder and build superabundance with sophisticated AI embed machines and abundant renewable energy. It's a process, not static. As the productive forces advances, the sector as we know it today will also get dissolved, enabling a new higher relations of production.
>>2751468Keep looking, retard
>>2752916>the name of god,but japanese people dont believe in god
>>2751646its because the chinese century got replaced by the iranian century
>>2752919Unfortunately there's almost 2 million christcucks in Japan. a small minority, but still. Also interestingly:
<While Christians account only for 1% of the population, there have been nine Christian Prime Ministers of Japan (three Catholics and six Protestants).COG Japan?
>>2752919Their reason for that is just because anime isn't real.
>>2752916Japanese military literally violently invades Chinese sovereign territory and the CPC issues a letter of complaint LMFAO
>>2752931Most Japanese Christians are notoriously left wing, anti-nationalist and pacifists which makes sense because an ultra nationalist Japan would crucify them and they are the opposite of Shinto. It is also why there was controversy when Emperor Akihito married Michiko, not just because she came from a Catholic family but what being Catholic meant towards what she would be sympathetic towards. Notice Akihito admitted things such as Korean ancestry that enraged ultranationalists, sometimes they blame Michiko for giving him sentiments like that.
What is more likely by "god" is the Unification Church cult which is severely anti-China or by god meant the Emperor. Either way the motive is clearly Anti-China
>>2753875Thank you for the informative response anon, that was very interesting
>>2753875>Most Japanese Christians are notoriously left wingI wouldn't say that. Some churches do emphasize pacifism but it was largely as a post–WW2 reaction against earlier nationalist involvement. But that doesn’t make them “notoriously left wing.” They aren't known for making actual leftist critiques of the economy as a unified political bloc. If anything, Christianity is mostly an elite religion in Japan so you have a a group overrepresented among the elite. That's why despite Christians are 1% of the Japanese population, there have been 9 Christian prime ministers since 1900 in Japan. The most recent ones Aso Taro was clearly conservative/rightwing. Hatoyama Yukio was more of a moderate and establishment, not ideologically leftist. His “left-leaning” is mostly relative to Japan’s conservative baseline
>An ultra nationalist Japan would crucify themHistorical persecution centuries ago is not the same as modern reality. Japan today legally protects religious freedom and Christians openly practice their faith. There is no contemporary threat of persecution for Christians.
>>2753990Good post, I just simplified it
>If anything, Christianity is mostly an elite religion in Japan so you have a a group overrepresented among the elite. That is the connection with some early Japanese socialist thinkers. They went to missionary Christian schools and got educated. Many such as Sen Katayama were Christian Socialist and were the ones leading most labor organization. This gave a stereotype because they were overrepresented in the socialist movement in the Taisho and Early Showa period and the rise of Japanese militarism demanded that they see the Emperor as a God which went against their beliefs and ended up with tension and later persecutions.
After WWII the first Socialist Prime Minister was the Christian Socialist Tetsu Katayama. But the shift began in many elite circles after and with U.S. occupation, from then on Christians were going to be trained in US universities and that is a lot of the post-WWII Christian Prime Ministers come from as you implied. However, there is still overrepresentation in left movements and are in the forefront of opposing visits to Yasukuni Shrine and the Imperial System. I am going to show a paper written about this phenomenon because it is well known in Japan about Japanese Christian overrepresented on the left and not Japanese enough.
>Historical persecution centuries ago is not the same as modern reality. Japan today legally protects religious freedom and Christians openly practice their faith. There is no contemporary threat of persecution for ChristiansBecause Japan hasn't been completely taken over by the far right yet. The tone is going to be different if they take over ESPECIALLY when the US isn't hovering over them. State Shinto barely tolerated them for not being militarist and not acclaimed the divinity of the Emperor to being persecuted when the Americans declared war. In short, the Japanese Christians are elitist but they are weird because they can never be truly nationalistic Japanese due to their beliefs. Contrast this with Korean nationalism where Christians played an important part in their independence and allows them to be nationalistic and Christian. Japanese Christians can't do the same
>>2752930>the iranian centuryCentury of humiliation maybe.
>"U.S. can no longer be the sole author of the terms, we have to share power with China."Tucker Carlson
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2035558694247645317 >>2754166is this MAGAloid cope or dengoid cope?
>>2754325>Communist country = bad>Islamic theocracy = goodAh yes the twitter rad-lib classic. Its deeply insidious how seemingly every new current event is used by anti-communists on the left as a way to attack the PRC and the other socialist countries.
>>2754384Socialist country is an oxymoron, it’s like saying Kosher Pork or Halal Pork
>>2754398The party state is completely incapable of socialist transformation, China itself proved this with the GCPR because Mao was a drunk opportunist
>>2751470good pic, will add it to the Dengism scroll when I have a chance
>>2754398This whole cope about state socialism and the intention to transition is so fucked up when you know MLs never look at anyone else’s intentions, only what they do, but with themselves they go “we intend to establish socialism guys just wait”. It’s like an addict drinking six non alcoholic beers and following it up with 40 grams of Kratom and a bottle of cough medicine and insisting they’re trying to get sober, just look, they haven’t had a drink in a week, just trust em!
>>2751468you received one here
>>2751470and immediately became silent
>>2754433> MLs never look at anyone else’s intentions, only what they dowe look at both, but privilege actions over intentions, base over superstructure.
>>2754384>Communist countrykek
>>2754386stinky rotten bait
>>2754437For everyone except yourselves, because you’re opportunist hypocrites. Have fun with your cocaine, caffeine, and acid fueled “sobriety”
>>2754433Yow that's really interesting, but where's your tendency's revolution, ruling party and DotP btw?
>>2754445I’m not a marxist, leninist, or revolutionary, I’m just calling balls and strikes
>>2754444Alcoholic in denial, just like china is capitalist in denial
>>2754447>I’m just calling balls and strikesBut why should we care when you don't even play baseball? Nor have any insight on how baseball works?
>>2754451You can’t have insights into socialism either because it doesn’t exist, has never existed, and never will exist, it’s like debating Quiddich
Als the idea of the proletariat is a meme, it doesn’t exist and never has
>>2754453So if you're just a reactionary why should anyone gaf what you have to say?
Ruthless criticism of everything except yourself, that’s the ML MZT way
>>2754456Was Marx reactionary?
>>2754456You don’t have to, I’m just calling out your lies and hypocrisies, Chinese are fully human and thus are capable of both, in fact they do it all the time, starting with having the party be named “Communist Party of China”
>>2754459They named their party that because a Communist society is the goal of their political project. This is the same with pretty much all the socialist and communist parties throughout the 19th and 20th centuries.
<Marcos: PH resetting ties with China amid Middle East conflictAll quotes from Marcos:
>It's happening now.>There's going to be a very, very serious restructuring.>They will have a lasting effect, and there is, there will have to be a new normal.>We've always tried to differentiate the territorial disputes from our trade arrangements. And many, many investments… still, of the big programs here of the government are coming from China. And they have not used this as somehow, they haven't leveraged this in any way. In quite the contrary, they've been very, very helpful in terms of, for example, fertilizer, which is, we import a great deal of fertilizer from China.>We never want war. Our foreign policy is very, very simple. It's peace and the national interest.https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1271728 >>2754765Bullshit, it’s just a KMT splinter
My end conclusion is that since Sino-Marxism works, and Occimarxism is just trolls on image boards, I support the Communist Party of China over all other CPs.
I think Marx would approve.
>>2754253Haha, what a lot of whining in the comments! The point is that Tucker isn't actually pro-China. He's just smart enough to realize the limits of American hegemony and that a conflict with China is too risky and that it's better to be the hegemon of their own region.
>>2754789He's just asking for more bribes from the US leadership. Nothing out of the ordinary.
>>2756784>2008since then, the Ministry of Ecology and Environment (MEE) launched a campaign specifically targeting illegal dumping. cases involving "severe pollution" are also now fast-tracked for criminal prosecution rather than just administrative fines.
>A major campaign was launched to "dig up the roots" of low-level graft, which often includes local officials taking bribes to ignore illegal dumping by factories in their jurisdictions. Over 741,000 lower-tier officials were disciplined. Violators face long prison terms, multi-million dollar fines, and they may face the death penalty under Xi Jinping's "Tigers and Flies" campaign (for instance, Li Jianping was executed).efforts to clean up silicon tetrachlorideand other legacy industrial wastes in China is is backed by large-scale, state-funded remediation programs.
>in 2023 alone, China initiated 4,568 soil and groundwater remediation projects, with a total investment of approximately 35.9 billion RMB ($5.1 billion).>New regulations passed to strictly limit the energy and waste output of polysilicon plants, forcing them to install recycling systems that convert silicon tetrachloride back into useful materials. >>2756843Doesn't matter, China's economic gravity is too strong. We saw that with South Korea recently, SK gets insane ROI when it plugs into China's manufacturing base.
Meanwhile, the announced Luzon Economic Corridor in the Phillipines, which is a trilateral economic initiative between the United States, the Philippines, and Japan, is stalling with a lack of concrete implementation. As the energy crisis worsens, the Philippines will also shift economically closer to China.
>BYD Cars Achieves Record Sales in 2025 in the Philippines; Renews Distributorship with ACMobilityhttps://www.motorist.ph/article/5650/byd-sales-growth-what-it-means-for-philippine-cars The Deprogram: China is socialist but there are valid constructive criticisms that can be had
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QppJfn3tiYS4A: China is capitalist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IhJHsbmuIThoughts?
Wealthy societies are more fragile and crisis prone than poor ones, the whole project of building wealth was a mistake. What’s needed in the 21st century is a goldilocks zone where on has comforts but they can withstand systemic shocks.
>>2759025it depends on the kind of wealth. Coal plants and nuclear power plants and solar panels all generate "wealth" in the form of electricity which serves as a direct flow of use value, but they are not equally sustainable nor equally vulnerable to systemic shocks in general, let alone equally vulnerable to specific kinds of systemic shocks.
>>2759108Or you have citizens that live without electricity for at least six months out of the year so outages don’t bother them ever
>>2759014I don't know if China is capitalist or socialist but Hakim's and JT's arguments were
>china claims to be marxist-leninist and on the path of socialism so it is, also the bourgeoisie is subservient to the state and the state has welfare policiesMeanwhile S4A's arguments were
>china is not socialist because it has a bourgeoisie and market economy, it does not export revolution, it has income inequality, and practices imperialism when giving loans to underdeveloped nationsAnd to be honest neither are very convincing. Overall the discussion is meaningless imo. Communism is not about semantics but rather political action and the American or Iraqi proletariat can't do anything about China.
>>2759014Both are fundamentally wrong. There is no bourgeoisie in China. In China, the exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established.
>>2759134Oh come on, you know that's bullshit. Classes aren't in-born, they're socially constructed. The Communist Party itself is the exploiting class now.
>>2759014>imagekeeeeeeeeeeeek
>>2759160>muh bureauratic exploitationDoesn't exist. If it's exploiting, it's a capitalist class in a capitlist mode of production. Bureaucracy does not constitute a separate class any more than teachers or self-employed programmers do
>>2759167Yes, it does. Capitalism is not required to exploit people (though the CPC does engage in capitalism to enrich themselves).
>>2759184Worded weirdly. I mean that capitalism is exploitative, but not all exploitation is capitalist. This is classic bureaucratic propaganda to justify why it's ok when they do it.
Or maybe you can accept the truth, China doesn’t exist and never did
>>2759187China is real because people think its real. Spooks are funny things.
>>2759186We live in a modern world. No exploitation but capitalist one is left, they just cannot match the rate of exploitation.
>>2759189China is as real as middle earth or heaven (not)
>>2759192Capitalists become feudal lords because productive Labour isn’t profitable, rent is
>>2759194Rentiers are really, really tiny fraction of capitalist world, in fact, the least profitable one. In fact, rent is so bad precisely because investments into real estate need to match the growth of the rest of productive economy
>>2759192It's not true simply because you assert it's true. The world is not that simple. Capitalism is not required for an exploiting class to exist, those existed before capitalism and they will exist after it. Only constant vigilance by the masses can prevent their emergence, which is the exception, not the rule.
>>2759195>>2759194returns on investments into real estate*
>>2759195This objectively isn't true. Rent-seeking is rampant in the post-industrial west.
>>2759195All of the biggest capitalist companies on the planet collect rent on IP and “platform” usage, not productive labor
>>2759198Almost like modernity is a blip and and an aberration and not the rule. Feudalism will reassert itself and become materially necessary.
>>2759196Dude, capitalism won because feudalism and mercantilism weren't as profitable and powerful. Soviet system collapsed because their revisionist khruschevite socialism couldn't match the rate of exploitation. Modern capitalism is the peak of rate of exploitation.
>>2759198>>2759199I'm objectively right. Rent - as in real estate rent - is not as profitable as real production. That's the fucking reason why China mogs the West, lol
>>2759203Limiting the idea of rent seeking to just the real estate sector gives you no idea on reality
>>2759203There’s no modern form of exploitation that will be sustainable this century, feudalism will reassert itself out of necessity as climate change rapes every supply line
>>2759203Hell, China, as per Marx's (or Engel's?) suggestion, as a socialist society can simply pay off licensing fees to capitalists and grow and grow until overshadowing the entire capitalist world. Socialist society is more productive, they can spare licensing fees, rent, whatever else, to pay off parasites so that there's no huge war between them and the capitalist world, and yet socialism wins the world.
>>2759203No one only means strictly real estate rent when talking about rent-seeking behaviour, come on now. The logic can be applied to more than just real estate, it is the entire ethos of the "you will own nothing" agenda. Forcing everyone to rent everything IS more profitable than the actual production on any time scale these ghouls actually care about.
>>2759207They’re going to get raped by climate change and return to imperialism
>>2759203Modern finance capitalism will morph into technologically-optimised feudalism for maximum wealth concentration.
>>2759209>>2759211You see those, people? Those are the believers in Chinse capitalism
>>2759214I don’t believe in communism or the working class and never have
>>2759214When did I say that? China has wielded capitalism as effectively as one can, but it has inevitably corrupted them (though they were corrupted before that anyway so no change there). The proles in China will never be liberated so long as the Communist Party continues to insist they need to be capitalist indefinitely and no one else is allowed to be in charge so, conveniently, no one is allowed to pressure them to ever get on with it. They will use Mao's legacy to portray themselves as endlessly working towards communism while, in reality, they will simply keep the country in a state capitalist form and pocket the profits because, surprise surprise, elites are greedy.
>>2759014my favorite part was when hakim answered the question of why china doesn't simply export socialist revolutions the same way it exports commodities:
>auygh cracked from the outside is food. >auygh cracked from the inside is life.this demonstrates succinctly that if China simply bankrolled and armed communist parties everywhere, those parties would be treated as 5th columnists for a foreign power, rather than as representatives of the national proletariat.
>>2759194>productive Labour isn’t profitable, rent isrent and profit are two different categories in political economy going back to adam smith, probably earlier. you objectively cannot call rent profitable because rent is not profit. rent, profit, wages, interest. These are all different forms of income.
>>2759224That's terminological pedantry, it doesn't matter. It's all income, that's what matters. Number go up.
>>2759224Okay, profit is being displaced by rent
>>2759224>>2759226rent and profit are forms of surplus value. the only difference is that profit is paid to the owner of constant capital consumed in the production process, whereas rent is paid to the owner of capital which isn't consumed like land, copyright, etc. contemporary bourgeois economists don't make this distinction. for them, the profit of any individual capital is measured by revenue minus expense with no regard to the underlying specifics.
>>2759225They don't exploit their own people because their wages are growing instead of stagnating and decreasing, like in every other capitalist country on Earth.
I have a question since someone answered the Tiananmen Square question. Remember when that propaganda came out that said China was forcing people to have only one child, no female babies, and forcing women to undergo painful abortions and that shit? I think it was also tied together with that clubbed feet thing where the feet of female children were tapped up or some shit. Anyway, how much of this was a lie and what, if any, was true about it that was twisted?
>>2759226>>2759228>>2759230the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
>>2759247Everything is a lie. Their angle was that one-chlid policy was a genocide of Chinese people, because nationalists think in retarded categories of demographics and birth rates aka paradox games logic
>>2759252My mom told me she met a Chinese woman seeking asylum in the US during that time and she told her they were going to force her to have an abortion. Were they forcing people to have abortions?
>>2759257Dude, in some thread there was a private account of a tourist to USSR who was visiting a school. So, they were offered to buy candies from a local store, and candies would be given over to school teacher for distribution. Tourist interpreted this as candy being sent back to the shop and kids receiving no candy.
You have to understand that Westoids live with a kind of a Truman show syndrome in regards to communist countries, where they believe that communists want to persuade them that communism is good, but tourists always catch up to the tricks and end up thinking that communism is evil even more than before. This is the source of a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding communism, and you should treat anticommunists as the retarded conspiracy theorists that they are.
>>2759260That's unrelated to what I asked. She met this woman in the US. Did my mom meet a convenient paid actor somehow? I just want to know what really happened and what the US did to spin it. Did they force abortions or not?
>>2759264Go ask your mother. I've told you all context there was, and I am not clairvoyant to know specifics of your case. Maybe all you need to ask that woman, if you ever meet her, what kind of job her parents had, I dunno
>>2759272I doubt I'll get a straight answer out of her and insisting "you weren't there!!". So I'll probably never know that way. I thought I might get an answer here to clear up her misconception.
>>2759243That is not at all how the left defines exploitation. Capitalism doesn't magically become non-exploitative because your pay increases.
>>2759215why are you even here? just to troll?
>>2759315Capitalism cannot increase your pay, lol. It can redistribute spoils of imperial conquest, sure, but the moments of highest economic growths are NEVER accompanied by growth in living standards for people.
>>2759222>>2759243Kill all china simp classcucks, stir fry them.
Just noticed a new anti-China posting trend on /pol/. You know those rate genetic diseases like skin conditions, born with tumors etc. that the genetic lotto plops out every 1 in a million cases?
Langley now added these to the tofu_dreg.webm and factory_accident.jpeg collection in an attempt to portray China as a genetically inferior / sick or Fallout universe style place.
Anything but free healthcare for burgers.
So just a heads up.
>>2759014Socialism 4 "all" except them ching chongs.
>>2759211China was never imperialist, fyi.
>>2759457The British newspaper Daily Telegraph supports the war effort of the United States and Israel against Iran. However, its chief economics commentator, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, assesses developments in a way that is far from encouraging for the Western camp, especially with regard to the economic consequences.
As Evans-Pritchard notes, the Strait of Hormuz remains closed. The only ships passing through it are Iranian tankers or cargoes moving under Iranian orders, mainly headed to China and India.
Iran continues to wage a war of attrition. We are still in the midst of the biggest global energy shock in history. The world is still short of 14 million barrels a day of crude oil and refined products, as well as one fifth of its supply of liquefied natural gas (LNG).
Donald Trump’s decision to exempt quantities of Iranian and Russian oil from sanctions does not add significant volume. Most of the barrels now in transit were already part of the normal global supply. The additional “floating storage” covers the global shortfall for another 24 hours at most.
The exemptions are mainly a windfall for our enemies. Russia is selling its crude to Asia at a higher price than Brent, earning a $60 bonus compared with mid-February levels. The same applies to Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps. Physical deliveries of Oman, Murban, or Dubai oil destined for Asia still cost $145, far above paper futures contracts, giving a taste of what may soon come to Europe, as the last tankers arrive via Suez before the gates close.
“We know what is happening in the paper oil market, including the companies hired to influence oil futures contracts. But let’s see if they can turn it into real fuel at the pump — or perhaps even print gas molecules!” wrote Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, speaker of the Iranian parliament, on Twitter.
The Gulf states must shut in one tenth of global oil production because they have exhausted their storage capacity. Structural damage continues to grow in a non-linear way with each passing week.
It will take months for Iraq to restart its oil fields, even if the war ends today. It will take Qatar three to five years to repair the world’s largest LNG facility at Ras Laffan in Doha. The International Energy Agency (IEA) reports that 40 energy assets in nine countries have suffered “serious or very serious damage.”
“The markets do what markets do,” said Chris Wright, U.S. Energy Secretary, adding that demand destruction and higher supply from American frackers and other drilling companies would solve the problem.
This cavalier indifference confirms the worst fears of the outraged Gulf leaders and may well lead to a profound realignment in China’s favor once the dust settles.
Whatever happens now, as Trump attacks and bullies for another week, China has already won the biggest prize of the Gulf War.
Xi Jinping sounds like the voice of calm responsibility, while Trump squanders America’s diplomatic and strategic credibility at an astonishing pace. He need only sit still while the NATO alliance falls apart.
The West was living on borrowed time when Trump threatened Canada, and then Greenland, and funded a propaganda operation to destabilize Europe’s democracies. It is almost dead after the insults and threats of the past month, culminating in the latest weaponization of LNG supplies to force Europe to accept Trump’s tariff ultimatum. The Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party must think it has won the lottery.
Xi can smile as the Pentagon burns through its stocks of munitions and rare-earth minerals, all for the distraction of an impulsive war.
It is hard to overstate the damage done to American credibility in the Far East. Trump withdrew Patriot interceptors and a THAAD missile defense system from South Korea, the only one in Asia, because they are needed in the Middle East.
He sent a mini-aircraft carrier and a naval force with Marines from Okinawa, Japan, to threaten — or attack — Iran’s Kharg Island. The “rapid reaction” unit assigned to defend Asia is now in the wrong theater.
The Centre for Strategic and Security Studies says the U.S. fired 786 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSMs) in the first six days of the war, at a cost of nearly $3 million per missile. It will take several years just to replace them.
It fired 319 Tomahawk missiles, 158 THAADs, 879 Advanced Precision Kill Weapon Systems (APKWS), and a terrifying number of Patriots. The total has risen much further since then. The U.S. must also replenish the arsenals of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.
These are critical weapons for the defense of Taiwan. There will also be fewer available for sale to Europe for the defense of Ukraine.
The point is not that China will suddenly attack Taiwan. Rather, China may not even need to. The people of Taiwan can already see what will happen. The Kuomintang wants to pull the island out of America’s strategic orbit and strike a deal with Xi Jinping. The “excursion” into Iran sharply accelerates this.
Trump has significantly increased the risk that China could gain de facto control over more than 90% of the world’s advanced semiconductor and AI chip manufacturing before the U.S. can replace it.
Ronald Reagan knew the limits of American power even when he had a 600-ship navy and dependable allies: Trump is trying to shake the whole world with a 290-ship navy and largely on his own.
“This is looking more and more like America’s Boer War,” said Professor Alan Riley of the Atlantic Council. Britain won the Boer War in 1902, of course, but it exposed shocking failures in military planning and ended the wishful thinking of its “splendid isolation.”
Beware claims that China is highly vulnerable as the world’s biggest importer of oil and LNG, while America is protected as the biggest exporter. The interconnected supply chains of the global economy can work in reverse.
China is a net exporter of refined petroleum products and fertilizers, and that is where the main crisis in the global market lies. It has imposed export restrictions on both, keeping production at home and reducing its immediate need for oil and gas imports. Diesel prices have slipped slightly in China in recent days, decoupled from the global market.
The Communist Party is ready for a long energy siege. It controls retail energy prices and can endure the pain longer than American drivers, farmers, airlines, or Republicans in Congress.
It has built an electricity grid that can rely almost entirely on domestic coal and renewables operating in parallel. It has deployed more wind and solar power than the rest of the world combined over the past two years. It can supply its AI data centers with additional watts — unlike the U.S., which has an almost obsolete grid and has run out of gas turbines.
Beijing has spent the last 20 years planning for this crisis, war-gaming possible U.S. Navy plans to block the Strait of Malacca. The Party remembers very well that the U.S. Navy imposed a devastating oil embargo on Maoist China after the 1949 revolution.
China took advantage of low oil prices over the past year to fill its strategic petroleum reserve as quickly as possible. It has about 1.5 billion barrels, including mandatory reserves held by state energy companies.
In short, China would have six months of oil import cover even if supply fell to zero, which obviously is not the case, since Chinese ships are still carrying oil from the Arab Gulf states. China still imports 80% of Iran’s oil exports.
Declared foreign exchange reserves of $3 trillion, and another $3 trillion in quasi-reserves held by state banks, create a buffer against the corrosive pathologies of inflation that the rest of us face. China’s borrowing costs have not changed since the start of the war.
Ten-year bond yields are 1.84%. Compare that with U.S. Treasuries, let alone the doom loop in the U.K. gilt market.
Trump launched his assault on the aorta of the global oil economy without first replenishing America’s depleted reserves, even to the minimum safe level recommended by the U.S. Department of Energy.
The current drawdown, in coordination with the International Energy Agency (IEA), will leave the reserve with just 244 million barrels, below the legally permitted limit and nearing levels that risk causing irreversible damage to the salt caverns. Helima Croft, a former CIA analyst now at RBC Capital Markets, said the Trump administration deceived itself into thinking that U.S. shale production and energy dominance were sufficient shock absorbers.
The hard reality is that U.S. shale output is falling. Data from Baker Hughes show that fracking companies have reduced the number of active drilling rigs in the Permian Basin to 243, down from 300 a year ago. The industry cannot simply switch them back on like a light switch.
Trump would do well to reach a deal with the Iranians by Friday or shortly thereafter — if he can find a negotiating partner whom he has not yet killed, maimed, or driven away prematurely. If the Strait of Hormuz remains closed for another month, the game will have been won by the Russo-Chinese axis, Evans-Pritchard concludes.
>>2759457>The United States federal government cannot even afford the shit it already spends money on, and you want it to spend more money. You're a fucking moron.The actually just made a public offer: energy security in exchange for 1country2systems.
>>2759478WHo are you quoting?
>energy security in exchange for 1country2systems.That's not really pressure. It's legitimizing Taiwan
>>2759457>So, why is Chynah sitting out on getting back Taiwan right now?pic related
It is very obvious Amerikkka is lying its ass off about running out of stockpiles and is desperately trying to bait China into a war. China is doing the smart play by refusing to start a war.
How are you gonna have a people’s republic in a place they still call the middle kingdom? Make it make sense
>>2759324Yes, you’re less boring than /pol/yps and YouTube comments
And they still, to this day, call America “beautiful country”, disgusting
>>2759369That's objectively not true. Are you even reading what you type?
>>2759478Even if that were true, no one is stupid enough to take an offer like that given what happened to Hong Kong.
>>2752267Home ownership is Proudhonist slop you dip. I do not want the workers tied to petty speculation on land. Under socialism, nobody should own a home.
>>2759527Hasn't read the book award
>>2759758If you can’t even uncuck your language you’ll never move forward
>>2760238thats just capitalism but whatever
>>2760241nah, see india
>>2748251 where dialectical change proceeds more slowly and unevenly. crisis from a contradiction can sometimes slow the process down further. for instance, rent seeking behavior is weakening the manufacturing sector and hindering industrialization in india. in LatAM, they hit a point where instability from contradictions caused long term stagnation. they're getting bossed around by the dialectical tiger, while china rides it. china can amplify feedbacks loops while accelerating development via the ML state apparatus. they sequence and manage the structural contradictions fast forwarding themselves through historical materialism now at the frontier of 4th industrial revolution tech (renewable energy, ai, robotics, automation, nuclear/fission energy, etc). they will have the industrial base to manufacture, scale and export it to others triggering a qualitative leap in structural contradictions between forces of production and relations of productions elsewhere
>>2718693 >>2760303>picMan, India isn't in great shape
>>2760241the capitalist needs human labor power to profit. total automation is not profitable and in fact pushes profit rates closer and closer to zero. automation only provides profits when one industry is ahead of other industries, but when all industries adopt a technology profit rates fall, because there is less human labor power to exploit, and because the socially necessary labor time required to creat the commodity decreases. Only a socialist government, transitioning from capitalism to communism, has the political will to pursue total automation like china has. Meanwhile capitalist governments are pursuing imperialism, enslavement, and the destruction of prouductive forces. Read chapter 3 of Rajani Palme Dutt's
Fascism and Social Revolution. Particularly the sections titled "The destruction of the productive forces" and "The revolt against science."
>>2761422China is not pursuing "total automation", it only works for them because it provides an edge on the global market, and besides the African mines anti-imperialistically feeding their inputs are manned by very cheap very manual labor force
>>2759457>why is Chynah sitting out on getting back Taiwan right now? Military build up is not ready. Better to start wars on your own terms.
>>2761422individual actors (e.g. firms, the bourgeoise as economic actors) will still pursue automation even if, in aggregate, it contributes to falling profit rates. competition forces their hand. if firm A automates and lowers costs, it can undercut firm B. firm B must automate or lose market share (or go bankrupt). so even if the system-wide effect is lower profit rates, each firm has a rational incentive to automate. however, you would be right to say that china is more efficient at automatizing its sectors because it has a marxist leninist state structure. the state own the banks and can rapidly redirect credit to sectors deemed by the state to be strategically necessary (semiconductors, EVs, robotics, etc). the cpc has a monopoly on political power that further reduces the fetters caused by the logic of capital through mechanisms of long term planning, coordination, and state discipline. in the liberal west, financial capital takes over and prioritize shareholder value often leading to unproductive rent seeking behavior. bourgeoise democracy prioritize policies with immediate political gains instead of long-term industrial development. however, this doesn't mean firms won't automate their workforce, it will just be a slower process compared to china, which now has automation and robotic development as part of its 15th five-year plan, which is basically a state level AI mobilization document. it pushes AI across the economy (manufacturing, logistics, healthcare, etc) in order to deliberately move towards a higher stage of socialism for its China 2035 and China 2049 plans.
>>2759837Well maybe Proudhonism disguised as Communism won and instead of being mad about it you should consider what went "wrong"
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/global-banks-seek-refuge-china-stocks-iran-war-drags-2026-03-31/Global banks seek refuge in China stocks as Iran war drags onSINGAPORE, March 31 (Reuters) - Chinese stocks are fast emerging as a relative safe haven as a month-long war in the Middle East saps global risk sentiment, with investment banks increasingly bullish on a market that has held up better than its regional peers in March.
Markets have been rattled this month after the Iran war effectively shut the Strait of Hormuz, a chokepoint for about a fifth of global oil and gas flows, sending crude oil prices surging and weighing on equity markets worldwide.
- J.P. Morgan listed China as its most preferred market in the region this month, citing the country's low dependence on Gulf energy and ample fiscal support capacity.
- HSBC remained "overweight" on China, saying the market offers defensive qualities underpinned by a largely domestic investor base and a stable currency.
- China's benchmark Shanghai Composite Index (.SSEC), opens new tab has lost 6% so far in March, compared with an 18% drop in South Korean stocks (.KS11), opens new tab and a roughly 13% decline in Japan's Nikkei (.N225), opens new tab.
- BNP strategists said China's relative outperformance versus the rest of Asia will likely become increasingly pronounced the longer the U.S.-Israel war with Iran drags on.
- Strategists at Goldman Sachs said the Chinese economy appears better positioned than several global peers to weather the oil supply shock, pointing to years of energy diversification, rising strategic oil reserves and access to supply from outside the Middle East.
>>2761505There is no bourgeoisie in China. Socialist automation increases social aggregate product and makes workers richer
>>2759837>Under socialism, nobody should own a home.You're literally arguing the dumbass version of the rightist meme that nobody owns anything under communism. Marx made a clear distinction between personal property (your clothes, furniture, your home) and private property used for profit. In China, rural land is owned collectively by village communities and urban land is owned by the state aka the DoTP. Marx did not argue against personal posessions. You can still own personal property on the land like a house, clothes, furniture, and everyday belongings. China has long had (and continutes to have) a state monopoly on critical sectors like banking, steel, rail, heavy equipment, aviation, forestry, telecoms, oil, ocean shipping, utilities, the media, etc., but as Michael Roberts have said, previous Chinese governments in the 90's made a mistake in trying to meet the housing needs of its burgeoning urban population by creating a housing for sale market. Xi is correcting this with his Three Red Lines policy where China's property sector is becoming effectively nationalized.
>>2763444>Marx made a clear distinction between personal property (your clothes, furniture, your home) and private property used for profitNTA but I used to say this a lot, and then one day another anon on here asked me for a citation and I couldn't provide one. He kept insisting it was because "Marx never said that and you just disagree with Marx." I've been looking for one since then. Do you know where he says this? I'm pretty sure he says this but I can't find it.
>>2763459He doesn’t lay it out as a neat, formal definition in one single place, but he does clearly draw the distinction across several key texts, especially when responding to critics. For instance, in The Communist Manifesto he clearly states: "The distinguishing feature of
Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property." He then clarifies that communists are not trying to abolish personal possessions: "Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society…" For example, in vast rural areas of China, farmers live in self-built houses, grow vegetable gardens, and have front yards, backyards, and land around their homes. Villagers receive usage rights from the local collective where each household typically has their own residential plot (for the house and yard) and access to farmland plots for growing crops.
>>2763444Yes, centralized control of real-estate investment trusts, rental units, asset-backed securities and so on is the way. I am glad that they are working on the problem. Homeownership is still nothing to boast about.
>>2764731they back every horse in the race and the strategy is succeeding, why change?
>>2764735Well sure their strategy is suceeding dosen't meant that its the right path after all the us strategy to become the sole world hegemon even if it was for a breif 20 years clearley worked dosent mean that american emprie building was good by any means
Isn’t socialism with Chinese characteristics just feudalism, where the state owns all the land and leases it to individuals and private entities?
>>2764873That’s called the Oriental Mode of Production, in actual feudalism the king has virtually no powers and is cucked by landed nobles and the Church
>>2764752China does what is best for China.
>>2764902Not beating the KMT in red skin accusations
>>2764906make a better revolution than theirs
>>2764873but it's no longer agrarian and the productive forces are far beyond what anyone else is capable of
>>2765221Prachanda tried, Hu Jintao threatened to restore the dead monarchy via the PLA
>PRC
>P(O)RC(INE)
>PORKY
gasp
>>2765235If you're so devoid of popular basis that a stupid threat likes that turns you into the archetypal revisionist why should I take you seriously?
>>2764731Lol it's the US getting cucked by Israel and further super charging China's development in the long run while weakening the US's allies against China, see
>>2715236Also China has been buying 90% of Iran's oil which provides the major funding for Iran's economy and its military
China also supplies the precursors for the ballistic missiles, motors for the Shahed drones, etc, and grants full military access to BeiDou GNSS for missile accuracy to strike Tel Aviv and US bases
By the way, it's not China's fault that Iran had an Ayatollah that issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons saying it's not allowed by Islam and that Allah will be Iran's bodyguard.
And it's not China's fault that had Iran elected a liberal clown in the middle of a geopolitical political knife fight, a guy who said he didn't understand politics. Since 2022, Russia had repeatedly signaled its readiness to form formal military alliances with Iran. Russians were proposing a clause that the treaty was being negotiated would have obligated the parties to come to the defense of each other in case either of them are attacked. But Iran at the time demurred. That was because they wanted to put weight on the potential outreach to the US, to resume the nuclear talks with the US and get some agreement with the US.
And it's not China's fault that Iran deliberately chose not to build its military hardware around Chinese gear seeing it as inferior (tell that to Pakistan). Iran still does not have any Chinese air defense systems made this century despite Indian propaganda accounts on X,with no source saying so, because they are mad that their French fighter jets were shot down by Chinese ones. An Iranian top brass even proudly told Chinese State TV in September 2024 that iranian forces are well trained in Western gear and are shifting to advanced indigenous weapons and can handle regional security, no need of help from "faraway" nations.
Back in 2021, China and Iran signed a sweeping 25-year strategic cooperation agreement worth $400 billion spanning energy, ports, finance, and even military training. It was hailed as Tehran's pivot to the East, an exit ramp from sanctions and isolation. For a brief moment, it looked like Iran had chosen the China-Russia bloc. But the ink had barely dried before Tehran's behavior grew erratic. Projects were shelved, port cooperation at Chabahar stalled, solar equipment was seized by the IRGC, and in a twist that felt like a deliberate snub, Iran leased the same port to India even as India was cozying up to the U.S., had a border skirmish with China and was preparing for confrontation with Pakistan. As India and Pakistan were on the brink of war, Iran signed a full-spectrum strategic agreement with New Delhi. However after the Israel/US strikes, it's very likely that Iran will finally turn to Xi as the hard liners are now in charge. Another win for China.
>>2766782
>but it won't discuss third worldism, gonzalo, or mao zedong thought.
because only AGI will be able to handle those
>>2766782
Because you don't want to get in trouble with AI spewing incorrect takes because DeepSeek still talks stupid Westoid points on USSR and China. It has a bad set of initial data for this, for whatever reason they probably stole from openAI or somebody, but i have never seen comprehensive evidence for this
https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/02/17/china-work-culture-996-myth-labor-business/In recent months, certain corners of Silicon Valley have become obsessed with “996”: working from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week. Though the term originated in China’s tech industry, it was coined as a critique of an unhealthy and illegal work culture, not an aspirational ideal. The 996 trend isn’t the norm—it’s closer to China’s version of start-up culture.
The trend is more flattering than older, racist tropes, but it is still dehumanizing, reducing 1.4 billion people to tireless worker-drones.
Beyond the infamous 996, there are some broadly recognizable subcultures. One notable example is found in the public sector, which employs roughly 23 percent of the eligible working population. We might dub its culture as “323”: three hours of work, a two-hour lunch break, then three more hours of work.
The two-hour (if not three-hour) lunch break is sacrosanct, and repeated attempts to change it have largely failed. During this break, some offices organize group exercise, but most people use it to nap….In the private sector, firms even dim office lights or have designated nap rooms to make sleeping easier.
>>2770818The whole '996' propaganda against the PRC is a particular part the general slandering of China's industrial power. You see it in things like the whining about 'fast fashion' and the use of 'Temu' to mean anything low quality, Also the narratives about how awful it is to work in factory that were everywhere a few years ago.
>>2773093>You see it in things like the whining about 'fast fashion' Fast fashion is, in my humble opinion, an international consumerist problem, China aside. Clothes used to be built to last. A good leather coat could last decades. Now you have shitty clothes full of polymers that come unraveled quickly and end up in some landfill. It's like planned obsolescence, but for clothes. Part of this is people throwing out clothes once they are no longer "in style" but another part of it is the shoddy quality, because to make something cheap and low quality is to guarantee that it will be thrown away and replaced in just one or two capital turnover periods. It's just another consequence of the global mode of production itself, rather than a problem with China specifically.
>>2773136Yes I don't mean that it isn't a problem, but rather that the reason it is highlighted is because it can be used against China.
>>2773192I agree with your assessment insofar as you were talking about 996 or "Temu" as a byword for "shitty" but I've heard "fast fashion" more as a term to describe the problems with the global fashion industry and 1st worlder consumption habits in general rather than the Chinese fashion industry specifically. But yes I see your point.
>>2773212Shein was always the target in any discussion on the topic in my experience.
>>2689992What's the Capital I for under the star in the second design?
>>2773884Its the Hanzi character for labour.
Comrade Choe Son Hui, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, holds talks with Comrade Wang Yi, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China
(Pyongyang, April 10, Korean Central News Agency)
Comrade Choe Son-hui, member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, held talks with Comrade Wang Yi, member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, at the Kumsusan Guest House on the 9th.
Comrade Choe Son-hui mentioned that the traditional friendly cooperative relations between Korea and China are developing vigorously to a new, higher level in accordance with the important agreement reached by the supreme leaders of the two countries, and expressed the position of the Government of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to further strengthen the friendship between Korea and China, which is based on the common ideology of socialism as its fundamental cornerstone, in accordance with the aspirations and interests of the peoples of the two countries.
Comrade Wang Yi stated that Comrade Xi Jinping and Comrade Kim Jong Un held a historic meeting and talks in Beijing last September and presented fundamental guidelines of milestone significance for developing China-DPRK friendship to a new stage, and emphasized that it is the unwavering position of the Chinese Party and Government to excellently safeguard, excellently consolidate, and excellently develop China-DPRK friendship regardless of how the international situation changes.
Both sides agreed to further deepen multi-faceted exchanges and cooperation and to strengthen strategic communication and supportive cooperation between the foreign policy agencies of the two countries in this year, which marks the 65th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance between China and Korea.
Participating in the talks from our side were officials from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Kim Myong-su, and from the Chinese side, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and his delegation, and Comrade Wang Yajun, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the People's Republic of China to our country. (End)
>>2776442Is the original source of that just a midwit redditor?
Should I move to China?
>>2776859If you want to be part of the problem, sure
>>2776903How would I be part of the problem?
Nooo op mao is the greatest hunan ever
>>2777158if you have skills in China. but they don't want NEETS, bumbs, deadbeats, or gooners.
>>2777158The problem of civilization, something no communist is willing to admit even is a problem
>>2776859Start by learning Mandarin and spend time visiting there before deciding, that's my plan at least.
>>2751470which Maurice Cornforth book is that from?
>>2777831The deciding factor is whether an argument is correct, not whether it is put forward by a hypocrite with ulterior motives. That being said I do not think China has "forgotten" Karl Marx, I think they need to balance realism and pragmatism with being a socialist island in a capitalist world.
>>2777856They never cares about Marx in the first place
>>2777862I disagree. Simply.
>>2777864Mao was a fraud, trotsky but with power
>>2777868If China were truly capitalist, they would be destroying productive forces in a contrivance to raise prices, rather than using state planning to multiply the productive forces and push profit rates to zero. I recommend reading Chapter 3 of Fascism and Social Revolution by Rajani Palme Dutt, especially the section titled "The Destruction of the Productive Forces." Contrast that behavior of the truly bourgeois dictatorships with that of the primary stage of socialism in China.
>>2777872I don’t care about China being capitalist or socialist, all human civilization needs to go
>>2777876AGREED. It's time for 🐬 and roaches to inherit the earth.
>>2777876>>2777879Primitive and historically regressive take
>>2777880History has no need for humanity
>>2777893Chinese communism exists to make slop for Americans to fill the holes in their chests, two sides of the same rotten civilizational coin, they will never implement Cybersyn and it wouldn’t solve any problems anyway because the problem is humanity, we need a new species
>>2777899History, the universe
>>2777903but the universe has generated trillions of galaxies and countless planets. It literally doesn't matter if humanity fails on that scale because some species somewhere will figure out Communism and space colonization.
>>2777906Capitalism is the great filter and colonization is bad no matter how you do it
>>2777910Even if you’re not displacing someone else you’re creating a settler, a new contradiction where there was none before
>>2777916There will never be a spacefaring civilization and it would be dogshit anyway
>>2777917So? Contradictions aren't inherently bad
>>2777923Yes they are, fuck you and fuck Mao
>>2777926So should we all be a hive mind to eliminate all 'contradictions' that could possibly exist?
>>2777938but you have no path to make "should" into "is" so you are just lamenting.
>>2777918>There will never be a spacefaring civilization the number of galaxies and potential life-bearing planets makes the eventual emergence of a spacefaring civilization highly likely imo
>and it would be dogshit anywayfor you, everything is dogshit, yet you continue to opine
>>2777979Nuclear war and climate change will solve the human and civilization problem
>>2777981Everything is dogshit because I’m the only sober person in the world
>>2777983Sober in what sense of the word? You seem to be using it metaphorically, because I assure you there are a great many teetotalers.
>>2777982>Nuclear war and climate change will solve the human and civilization problemWe will likely survive both in diminished numbers. Where life on Earth truly becomes impossible is when plate tectonics stops several billion years from now, because this will strip the Earth of its electromagnetic field, and make the surface vulnerable to solar wind. Long after the Earth is barren, the son will become a Red giant and swallow Mercury, Venus, and Earth. Possibly Mars as well, I forget. But in any case that is the time limit imposed on our world. But the universe has many Earth like planets, so there are many more "chances" for something more interesting to happen.
>>2778003Earth will be sterilized in 500 million to a billion years from now because of the sun's increasing radiance. I'm not sure what the consensus number is nowadays.
>>2778003As in sober analysis
>>2778006>Earth will be sterilized in 500 million to a billion years from now because of the sun's increasing radiance. I'm not sure what the consensus number is nowadays.Then we have plenty of time to leave and/or prevent that fate. I think we are up to the task if we try hard enough, but maybe we are not. It doesn't really matter because the universe is full of additional chances in other places.
>>2778018>As in sober analysisHave you ever been pleasantly surprised in your life when something went better than you expected?
>>2778024That’s the primary reason I always keep expectations low
>>2778042Because I hurt my foot at work and take it out on this imageboard
>>2777917What's that contradition?
>>2778024Its possible to send microbial life to other potentially habitable planets even with current technology. For humans not so much.
>>2778063I hope your foot gets better but that's some weird ass behavior
>>2778270we should definitely do that just for shits and giggles
>>2778272It’s better than taking it out on loved ones physically here
>>2778268Between those living in the space colony and the earthly metropole
>>2778278wouldn't communism fix this anyways? We are not colonizing space without advanced socialism or communism
>>2778277why take it out at all? Catharsis is overrated. Learn to chill.
>>2773752gem and should be next OP pic instead of random weebshit
>>2778024in 500 million years our descendants will not resemble homo sapiens in any way shape or form, assuming that all mammals aren't extinct by then
>>2776859You should, I'm hoping to move there and teach English to help BRICs overtake American hegemony.
>>2777880irrelevant. once humans are gone, human history will be gone as well. Your point is moot
Mao Zedong Thought is trotskyism in power, the triumph of “mao” is the triumph of anticommunism
The USA has trapped PRC tankers in the Persian Gulf. It has directly threatened them with force when they try to cross the Gulf of Oman to reach the PRC. Despite their strong words the PRC is tolerating the USAs abuses.
>>2781328TL;DR new KMT lady is pro-reunification, anti-US meddling, doesn't want Taiwan to become Ukraine 2
>>2782948When will they return to internationalism? Economicallt they are doing good
>>2782947their meeting was also in the same place where hong kong and macau reunification with china was agreed on apparently, big symbol
>>2782949allowing the world to develop outside of the west imperialism without IMF "structural adjustment programs", creating massive infrastructure across the world and destroying the US empire economic hold and giving economic lifeline to its enemies is already doing a lot for internationalism
>>2782954I wouldn't call it "a lot", specially when their official policy is non-interventionism
But yeah they are doing those things well
>>2783404I wonder if they'll manage to optimize AI to the point of being more efficient resource-wise than organic brains
>>2783415if they do it won't matter because tech exists for humans rather than for itself. but if we truly cross that threshold we will just integrate tech into ourselves and transhumanism, like the actual transhumanism, not the word filter, will start to become a thing.
>>2783601Progress is usually good but communists dont welcome all form of progress. Like when bourgeoisie class having more controll over proletariat class!
>>2783404it'd be great if they made it gradually less useless
>>2783415that's not what LLMs (which depseek is) are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
What the fuck why is nobody talking about this? Isn't this supposed to be China thread???
https://english.www.gov.cn/policies/latestreleases/202604/13/content_WS69dcc947c6d00ca5f9a0a5b9.htmlBEIJING, April 13 – Chinese Premier Li Qiang has signed a decree of the State Council to publish a new set of rules on countering foreign states' unlawful extraterritorial jurisdiction measures.
The regulations, consisting of 20 articles, take effect upon publication.
According to the rules, such extraterritorial jurisdiction measures refer to actions taken by a foreign country that violate international law and the basic norms governing international relations and that harm China's sovereignty, security and development interests, or the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese citizens and organizations.
The rules also stipulate that the Chinese government has the authority to take countermeasures in response to such actions.
They also state that the Chinese government has the authority to exercise extraterritorial jurisdiction over relevant conduct if a sufficient nexus exists.
The regulations establish a system of a malicious entity list targeting foreign organizations and individuals that promote or participate in the implementation of a foreign state's unlawful extraterritorial jurisdiction measures.
The regulations also state that no organization or individual shall enforce or assist in enforcing such unlawful jurisdiction measures.
The regulations state that Chinese citizens and organizations affected by unlawful extraterritorial jurisdiction measures may file lawsuits against those enforcing them, and that government authorities will provide guidance and support for such legal actions.
Chinese authorities have repeatedly expressed firm opposition to the abuse of unilateral sanctions and long-arm jurisdiction.
China's law on countering foreign sanctions was adopted in 2021. Key meetings of the Communist Party of China in recent years also pledged to strengthen mechanisms for countering foreign sanctions, interference, and long-arm jurisdiction.
It's also tied to USA blockade of Hormuz, as this news dropped the oil price back down and forced USA to abandon enforcement of blockade
>>2784365>reuters admit all the dooming about muh construction sector crisis was bullshit and china high quality growth rather than capitalist gpd fetishization is workingwell they had to admit it sooner or later
>>2784857
I don’t believe anything I don’t see with my eyes, the only chinese I ever see is fake food and fake plastic products at walmart and target and I’m supposed to believe this is communism, this is the break from the status quo, fuck them and fuck you
>>2783622>it'd be great if they made it gradually less uselessIt's already been proven useful in STEM applications, especially logistics, and in a country like China which manufactures 95% of all solar panels globally, the data centers don't even need to be as wasteful as they are in the USA. Also believe it or not machine learning uses less energy and time in a lot of its calculations than a human would doing the same thing. People hate hearing this but it's true. Just like Ludd's hand-loom weavers couldn't cope with the power loom, white collars can't cope with the machine learning. They are dragged kicking and screaming into the future against their will, with no way to RETVRN to what was before.
>>2784867
That’s assuming Chinese even exist at all, it’s probably a lie made up to justify military budgets
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