/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2694055
The Oneida community was the one where the older members were expected to teach younger members how to have sex but the men weren't allowed to cum I think. They were against procreation but pro free love.

>>2694055
Yeah I wanted to talk about how these right-wing communes always have weird layers of financial backing and often linked to some angel investor landlord that wants to build a white ethnostate but doesn't want their name attached to it. That's why so many of them are in Wyoming where almost all the land is owned by rich people or their shell corpos.

Still, I think if Leftists pooled resources together they could achieve a similar community without all the corporate connections and serfdom. If you're part of a closed commune you don't have to worry about things like hate crimes or police harassment or your taxes going to Israel. It's just most leftists are pretty distrustful of other leftists and don't want to live with eachother. But like, land is not that expensive and neither is the materials for construction with how you can order an entire house off Alibaba these days. It seems totally doable if we can get over the human element.

I also recall reading a story once from a older feminist about how all the left-wing communes from the hippie era collapsed because the men didn't want to do any "women's work" and would offload it to female members until the women just left and it fell apart when the men couldn't get sex anymore. If anyone has the source on this I'd appreciate it I'm probably misremembering some details.

>>2694013
>White people just won't let black people have any heroes.
yeah we're all just racist for thinking he was a bit on the creepy side for bleaching himself and getting all those plastic surgeries to erase his african features and laying in bed with other peoples' children and having a theme park for children at his house and having paintings of himself naked with cherub children… we just don't want black people to have heroes. so true dude. so true.

>>2694067
oh and seeing himself as peter pan. forgot that part.

>>2694067
>having paintings of himself naked with cherub children
that's an extremely common christian art motif that is not related to sex, no?

>>2694069
yeah forget about all the other stuff. this is just a christian art motif dude. don't think about it too hard. he just paid good money to have this piece made of him and hanging in his house. meanwhile he saw himself as peter pan, bleached his skin, erased his african features with hideous botchjob plastic surgeries, laid in bed with other people's kids and had a house with a theme park for children built into it… just normal stuff normal 50 year old dudes do. Don't question it. If you question this guy bleaching himself and erasing his african features you just don't want black people to have heroes LMFAO

>>2694072
It's funny that he added just one black cherub.

>>2694067
>>2694068
MJ is the indisputable pop star of all time. Of all time, worldwide, there was nor will ever be a greater popular musician or any celebrity greater than him. MJ is a god among men for real. Like none of you younger gens who can't remember when he was alive can ever understand that. I know that sounds bizarre, but imagine living when he was a real person with this real effect. I personally love MJ too. I remember dancing to his longform music videos with my friend to his current videos when I was in kindergarten.

I will say objectively he was mentally insane. I think everyone's position is: He was obviously mentally insane, but he was also the greatest artist of all time. Lots of artists are rather "eccentric" or rather insane, but the question is if he molested children or not. I don't know why the first anon in this chain brought him up but I did see a MJ post recently.

>IMPORTANT:
>Lately I’ve been seeing many posts and videos about Michael Jackson being innocent. I think it’s the perfect time to also remind everyone about the personal note that Michael Jackson wrote to his sister in law, Dee Dee Jackson.

>CONTEXT : Our uncle Michael wrote this note after my brother and I were molested as kids by an uncle on our mother’s side of the family. We immediately told our mom about it when we saw her the following morning. Little did we know, our mom would hide the abuse from our dad (who would have definitely taken matters and justice into his own hands) and privately confided in our uncle Michael. This note was his response to her.

>"Dee Dee please read this article about child molestation and please read it to Taj Tj and Taryll … it brings out how even your own relatives can be molesters of children, or even uncles or aunts molesting nephew or nieces. Please Read. Love MJ."

>Now ask yourself, who is trying their hardest to make Michael Jackson into a villain? Then ask yourself what skeletons are they personally hiding? Why do they constantly need to use Michael Jackson as some sort of smokescreen?

>The truth is: Michael Jackson was a protector in a town full of predators.
Don’t just take my word for it, research it yourself.
#MichaelJacksonInnocent
#RightingHIStory

Actually out of his competition, Marvin Gaye and Prince, Marvin Gaye is my favorite and he is also a weirdo. Prince too of course.

>>2694075
it's his young self that he killed and replaced with skeletor

>>2694076
> MJ is a god among men for real.
could MJ still be alive? along w mozart???

>>2694076
>Like none of you younger gens who can't remember when he was alive can ever understand that.
Motherfucker I was an adult when he was still alive. He made good music but he probably diddled kids, or was at least very sus around them. Kanye made some decent bangers too then went crazy. This is why celebrity worship is for retards. Like a person being a creative or athletic genius doesn't mean they're immune to scrutiny as human beings.
>god among men
sheesh, get a grip

>>2693732
>Fuentes, Haz and Asmongold
One of these things is not like the other….

>>2694081
ok which one are you a fanboy of

and even if MJ didn't diddle a single kid it's like big whoop. he's a multimillionaire liberal who happened to write bangers like Billie Jean and Smooth Criminal. celebrity worship is one of the stupidest things Americans do. They gotta move past that shit.

>>2694080
> He made good music but he probably diddled kids
I've not been convinced by anything I've seen. He didn't just make good music. That is a subjective judgement. He is the most important musician of all time. Like if you just count the number of people that know how many songs by whatever musician, he is indisputably at the top. He is a phenomenon that will never be replicated again.

>or was at least very sus around them.
Of course he was sus. But did he molest them? That's the question. He was a fucking 100% weirdo no doubt.

>Kanye made some decent bangers too then went crazy.
Kanye was trash. Get the fuck out of here. Out of all the people you could compare MJ to. He's not even close in the terms of artistic relevance as MJ.

>This is why celebrity worship is for retards. Like a person being a creative or athletic genius doesn't mean they're immune to scrutiny as human beings.
Ok, I am already scrutinizing him, I said in my first post he was obviously mentally insane.

>sheesh, get a grip
Ok… it doesn't even have to be a question of good or bad. Some can be an evil god, but he was obviously on a completely different level than any celebrity before or since.

They're going to search for bodies at zorro ranch

>>2694056
yep that's right. they respected the female orgasm in the 1800s while at the same time preventing the male orgasm. very rare for that time.

>>2694084
>he's a multimillionaire liberal who happened to write bangers like Billie Jean and Smooth Criminal.
The list of MJ songs is so fucking long. Just compare how many MJ songs like every single person on Earth knows damn near to any other artist. I can't even name five Beyonce, Billie Eilish, Justin Bieber, who the fuck ever. You'll never see an artist like him ever again.

Like I think most people on Earth could probably name and sing the chorus to at least 5 MJ songs. Like excluding places without electricity, maybe 10.

>>2694060
>if Leftists pooled resources together they could achieve a similar community without all the corporate connections and serfdom. If you're part of a closed commune you don't have to worry about things like hate crimes or police harassment or your taxes going to Israel.
I think the Black Hammer people tried doing this in Colorado a few years back lol

>>2694089
yeah i'm not dogging on MJ's music lol, I'm just saying people see him as a weird/creepy/tragic figure for a reason. Like it is very unusual to do any one of those things I listed earlier, let alone all of those things.

>>2694076
My opinion is he was probably a pedo but also never actually molested any children and just channeled it into being eccentric. In fact he seems pretty asexual, maybe because he was a pedo and avoided sex to avoid any thoughts of harming children. idk. But the way people talk about MJ seems so racially tinged that I find it hard to trust anyone that says they know for a fact he was a predator based on [random examples of him being eccentric and obsessed with youth] without any actual examples of him engaging in crimes or abuse towards children.
Meanwhile Epstein has actual emails of him admitting to raping children, and thousands of influential people in society are linked to him(not MJ tho) and people like Fuentes go out of their way to call him "based" and pretend all those emails were just edgelord jokes and you're a dummy if you take them seriously. The MJ drama just comes off like Hollywood using him as a scapegoat for all the other pedophiles. And I realize this sounds like MAGAs justifying Trump's relationship with Epstein, but I guess the difference is MJ wasn't known to engage in relationships with other pedophiles or do skeevy sexpesty behavior in general. He spent his money on a theme park for children and living a quiet life, meanwhile people like Diddy and Epstein spent their money on sex parties with teenage girls that hundreds of other celebrities went to, leaving a long ass paper trail of abuse.

>>2694080
>Motherfucker I was an adult when he was still alive. He made good music but he probably diddled kids, or was at least very sus around them.
He was sus around kids but there's not really any proof he diddled them. Someone can be an ethical pedophile. I mean I'm attracted to women but I don't rape them just because I feel attraction to them, yknow? I'm not sure he was even a pedophile, just insane, but he chose the worst possible thing to hyperfixate on if he wasn't.

>>2694060
>But like, land is not that expensive
We are talking about people who will complain that buying a few hundred dollars worth of guns is beyond their reach.

>>2694082
One of these things just doesn't belong….

>>2694093
Look I'm gonna be real I just took the remark about not wanting black people to have heroes a little too hard. It struck a nerve. I'll admit it. Like I'm mixed and I always thought it was weird he bleached himself and fucked himself up with those plastic surgeries. The kid stuff is also weird but I'm more agnostic on how far he went with it. It all adds up to a very weird picture and I think people are critical of him for more reasons than simply not wanting black people to have heroes. Even in the black community in the US you have mixed takes on him.

>>2694097
>I always thought it was weird he bleached himself and fucked himself up with those plastic surgeries
I find him tragic because he got fucked up and never recovered from the Pepsi Commercial that lead to his early death. Actual severe case of vitiligo and it was getting worse and worse overtime.

That bohemian rhapsody show must go on guy was just as popular as mj

>>2694102
What? I didn't get the stream of words, but Freddy Mercury? Not even close. MJ had hits before he ever was on the charts and after he died.

>>2694104
Dr Dre also

>>2694097
<Jackson publicly said that he was proud to be black.[19] He also wrote a letter to photographer William Pecchi Jr. in 1988 which reads: "Maybe I look at the world through rose colored glasses but I love people all over the world. That is why stories of racism really disturb me. […] Because in truth I believe ALL men are created equal, I was taught that and will always believe it. I just can't conceive of how a person could hate another because of skin color. I love every race on the planet earth. Prejudice is the child of ignorance. Naked we come into the world and naked we shall go out. And a very good thing too, for it reminds me that I am naked under my shirt, whatever its color."[24]
He had vitiligo I don't think he was intentionally bleaching his skin to stop being black. I think he did bleach his skin but it was to even it out because he's a pop singer and appearance is everything for them.

>>2694104
>muh charts
Really?

MJ is still fucking charting.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2026/02/14/michael-jacksons-album-misses-no-1-despite-a-3200-sales-spike/
Michael Jackson’s Album Misses No. 1, Despite A 3,200% Sales Spike

<Michael Jackson’s Number Ones Debuts Inside the Top 10
>Number Ones debuts on two of the half-dozen Billboard rankings where it can be found. This frame, the set launches at No. 4 on the Vinyl Albums chart and opens at No. 36 on the Top Streaming Albums tally. The first of those rankings looks only at the top-selling projects available on wax, while the Top Streaming Albums roster, one of Billboard’s most recent additions, focuses on the projects – either traditional studio albums or compilations – that rack up the greatest number of plays on platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, and others.

>>2694099
I know it's autoimmune but I always thought vitiligo looked cool and I don't get bleaching yourself over it

>>2694108
How else are you defining popular?

>"Love Never Felt So Good" by Michael Jackson (with Justin Timberlake) peaked at number 9 on the US Billboard Hot 100 in May 2014, making him the first artist with a top 10 hit in five different decades.
Any other artist ever hit the top 10 with a posthumous release?

>>2694106
True. Dr Dre is also very popular just like his older brother Dr Alban.

I thought Michael Jackson was a fictional character from a video game

>>2693781
>Honestly I reject the premise that a progressive can't win nationally or that "This is just 'cause New York is so liberal" or whatever the excuse is, I think that's definitely what the DNC and GOP want people to think, but progressive politics are broadly popular.
My crack theory is that the DNC's New York City political machine is uniquely decrepit at this moment and that Zohran, to his credit, genuinely hustled his way into mayorship.
>The failure of the Dems, why they feel so elitist and out of touch, is because everyone can see they don't believe in anything and when it comes to discussing policy they give some labored answer thought up by focus groups.
It's worse, comrade. The DNC appears as though it doesn't believe in anything because it just can't.

You have to understand US parties as needing a coalition of voter bases to maintain the slimmest shreds of legitimacy for its own democracy in the eyes of the public, but funding from lobbying groups, PACs and businesses are the lodestar for US parties as far as having actionable agendas go. The GOP only appears to be more dynamic and actually have a vision is because while they might get some sectors of working people and lumpens, the majority of the Republicans' voter base are also its funders, lobbyists, etc., and also the most likely to be the political officers in the party; it has a more coherent class-makeup at all levels of organization. It is a party of and for itself, just for the petit-bourgeoisie.

The Democrats, on the other hand, have a huge gap between who votes for them and who funds them. Those Progressives you mentioned are the movers and shakers that get people out to vote, but they are not where the Party gets its funding; the Democrats are essentially the party of the poor, professionals and international Capital, while the Republicans are the party of Carbon Capital, the rural gentry, and "national" Capital (petit-bougies).
>Could AOC in particular win? Not sure. I think she showed some bad political instincts with her Iron Dome vote and the Joe Rogan fiasco. I think we need a real left wing asshole to run, a guy who'll just call Fox News "The Rape Network" and pair progressive policy with just open contempt for his enemies. I think Gavin Newsom is trying to do the "asshole" bit, but he's a centrist neolib.
Look, man. I have to be level with you. From one paying DSA member comrade on the internet to another that likes the CPUSA, while I (perhaps foolishly) believe in my bones that people in the would broadly be amenable to a socially "progressive" Socialism, the majority of those people think those politics just aren't actionable alternative ways of living. It's why I'm not totally against electoralism: it allows a slim chance to actually enable worker's power and inspire working class politics. However, so many orgs just focus on getting people in Executive offices which misunderstands US civics and, wittingly or not, for us concedes to the "Imperial Presidency" project coveted by the NeoCons, who are just openly citing people like Carl Schmitt now…

My point is, if you really want to do electoralism to even so much as try to do things like enable worker/union power, we have to, at least, get Socialists to have a plurality in the Legislative branch. The problem with somebody like Zohran is that Left-of-center people in the US really think he represents what will be a wave of younger people entering the DNC that will shift the Party Left by virtue of the old Democrats retiring or literally dying out. The problem with that is, on top of the voter/funding gap dynamic I mentioned, while he won the mayoral office (executive), the DSA does not have a strong presence in the New York City Council (the relevant legislative branch), and they certainly don't have much, if any socialist lawyers in any relevant judicial office. This means that even if Zohran really wants to empower socialist working class politics, the DSA doesn't have enough people in the legislative to leverage 2 government branches of government into doing so. This means that Zohran will very likely get disciplined from above in the Party to be more Centrist, and in doing so with his visible connection to the DSA, will result in another cycle of socialist reform getting a bad rep for getting stonewalled to hell and back.

tl;dr If you actually wanna do electoralism, we need to get more socialists running independent/third party in legislative offices at the State and Federal level (but especially State), then start considering getting people running in executive positions. We have to make sure those people allow, if not directly use the power of those offices to support parallel working class institutions to the state.

https://www.jta.org/2012/06/25/culture/10-facts-you-may-have-not-known-about-michael-jackson-the-jews-and-israel

10 facts you may not have known about Michael Jackson, the Jews and Israel
By Uri Fintzy June 25, 2012 4:11 pm

Three years ago today the King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away.

Jackson’s connection to the Jewish community and Israel was strong but also controversial at times. Here are some facts you may not have known about MJ, the Jews and Israel.
1. Jackson was good friends with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

The outspoken New Jersey rabbi (and congressman wannabe) met Michael Jackson in 1999 with the help of Jackson’s friend, Israeli illusionist Uri Geller, and the two became buddies. Jackson even came over to Boteach’s house for Shabbat dinners. The rabbi has publicly stood by Jackson — defending him against allegations of being a Nazi sympathizer or continuing to work with him on children’s issues despite the accusations of sex abuser. And then there was the post-death book of interviews.

2. When Israeli illusionist Uri Geller renewed his vows, Jackson was his best man

In 2001, Israeli illusionist Uri Geller, known for his claims of spoon-bending abilities and other psychokinesis talents, used the services of his friend Michael Jackson, when he renewed his wedding vows with his wife Hannah in Berkshire, England. During the ceremony, which was officiated by Boteach, Jackson handed Geller a gold ring to put on his wife’s finger. Geller later said that he chose Jackson because “he is a good friend and I wanted him to experience a Jewish wedding.”


3. Jackson was the first person to visit the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles

Michael Jackson requested to visit the MOT the Friday before it opened in 1993 — and received a personalized tour from Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the museum, which ended with a special exhibit dealing with the Final Solution. Hier later told the L.A. Jewish Journal, “When he left the exhibit, Michael was crying, and he wrote me afterwards that he cried for weeks,”
4. Jackson’s visit to Israel in 1993 caused absolute chaos

Michael Jackson visiting the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City on September 18 1993 Photo by Yossi Zamir/Flash90.

For two nights in September 1993, Jackson packed the Yarkon Park in Tel Aviv, and more than 70,000 fans saw him perform hits like “Jam,” “Smooth Criminal,” “Thriller,” “Black or White” as part of his “Dangerous World Tour.” Jackson also did a lot of sight seeing in Israel, visiting Jerusalem, Beit Lechem, Tel Aviv, Masada and even a children’s hospital. Everywhere Jackson went, thousands of fans followed him, in some cases blocking entire streets.

Watch Jackson’s performance in Israel, September 21, 1993:


5. Jackson made some unusual requests when he visited Israel

Jackson buying books in Israel (ICS)

According to Israeli journalist Tal Perry, Jackson forced an entire shopping mall in Tel Aviv to open just for him. Since it was the evening of Rosh Hashana, the “Dizengoff Center” mall in Tel Aviv was closed, but Jackson really wanted to buy records, books and to play video games, so the Israeli producers made some phone calls, and the mall was opened for him. Apparently, Jackson ordered half of the furniture in his presidential suite to be removed in order to make room for all the toys he purchased. He was 34 at the time.


6. He also almost got arrested in Israel

Jackson wanted to visit the “Tzrifin” base in what he probably figured was perfectly appropriate attire — an Israeli Air Force uniform with captain rankings. Oops. IDF officials told Jackson’s staff that posing as an Israeli military officer is considered a crime, so Jackson stuck with the red button-up and black hat look.
7. During his trial he wore a red Kabbalah wristband

In 2005, Jackson was accused of child molestation. During his trial in Santa Ana, Calif., fans were surprised to see that he was wearing a Kaballah bendel in a photo with his father. MSNBC reported that it was possibly Elizabeth Taylor who introduced him to the mystical studies of the “Zohar.”
8. And that was the same year we found out he thinks Jews are ‘like leeches’

In 2005, ABC’s “Good Morning America” got its hands on an audio tape of what was supposed to be Jackson telling his former adviser Dieter Wiesner that “they’re like leeches…I’m so tired of it…They start out the most popular person in the world, make a lot of money, big house, cars and everything. End up penniless. It is a conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose.” Listen to the recording here:


9. And that’s not the only time he got in trouble with the Jews

Jackson came out with the song “They Don’t Really Care About Us” in 1995, and the New York Times noted that song included some serious slurs, including the line: “Jew me, sue me, everybody do me/ Kick me, russian saboteur me, don’t you black or white me.”

His response to the outrage: “It’s not anti-Semitic because I’m not a racist person … I could never be a racist. I love all races.”

Either way, “Jew me” and “russian saboteur me” were changed to “do me” and “strike me.”

In the music video, both words are censored, starting at 1:06.


10. But despite everything, “Heal the World” should still generate a good amount of goosebumps

Because it’s basically a more tear-jerking version of “Tikkun Olam.”


well lefty /pol/ was he cringe zionist or was he killed for noticing?

>>2694119
>russian saboteur
?

>>2694119
>Tikkun
Isnt that a magazine?

>>2694118
I'm kind of surprised that 30% of San Antonio's city council is DSA members. Also a little surprised that's only 5.9% in NYC but then again theirs a lot of very wealthy Democrats in NYC so that makes sense.

>>2694113
>>2694086
>Michael Jackson achieved
30 top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 chart as a solo artist during his career, with his first in 1971 and latest in 2018. Of these, 13 reached the No. 1 spot. He is also noted for being the first artist to earn top 10 hits across six different decades.
I should be able to name 30. I can name songs that weren't in the top 10. But 30? Sheesh.

>>2694121
newfriend, did you not know our lovely website has so many silly wordfilters dating back to irrelevant inside jokes between the mods? For example, Ukrainians were accusing each other of being Russian saboteurs at the beginning of the war, four years ago, and because many people in the AFU are neo nazis, mods wordfiltered the slur for jews "kaike" without the a, to "russian saboteur"

isn't that funny? no? it's really confusing? thought so!

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>>2694119
The early '90s was a rough time for MJ. Idk if he was a cringe zionist but he did settle out of court.

>>2694123
>I'm kind of surprised that 30% of San Antonio's city council is DSA members. Also a little surprised that's only 5.9% in NYC but then again theirs a lot of very wealthy Democrats in NYC so that makes sense.
To be fair to the NYC DSA (and no further), NYC is still one of the biggest cities in the US, period, so a 100,000 member org dispersed nationwide literally doesn't have the capacity.

Haven't been to Texas but I have the impression that it's not as reactionary underneath the surface about as much as California is reactionary underneath the surface.

All of my friends now "reject nihilism" and are in support of Graham Platner. I don't even know. I don't even know! Because who's to say that he isn't just going to do an about face when he gets in like literally every other politician. Is it worth it to invest time in electoralism or what? I just have a bad feeling again, like with every politician, that this facade will fade away once he's in the Senate. I hate this shit