chagos poster is right
>>2694138So right that he stops threads
>>2694134I was wondering if he was Indian or Black but I have seen recently in the Russian thread he claims he is Black. The way he responded to my previous inquiries I thought he was Indian.
Ironically he is a Zohran Mamdani.
Next time hurl anti indian slurs at him
>>2694152He has no relation to Chagos. He only started that shtick after I made a joke about "Cherry Garcia" an American ice cream flavor in reference to the deliberations about Diego Garcia, because I randomly watched a session of bong parliament where they were arguing about it. He had already told me he was from Mauritius at this point and then he made the Chagos thing his whole personality. I literally started that.
I made a joke post saying:
>You're never getting Cherry Garcia back!And that is where the Chagos thing started.
the economy is k shaped you fuck
>>2694154Incredible how narcissistic you are to think that you gave me the Chagos ‘persona’.
I am Chagossian and Chagossian are Mauritians, as I keep telling you retards.
>>2694146Mamdani is a petit bourgeois rootless cosmopolitan. I am nothing like that faggot.
>>2694178I mean, I can show you in the burger archives this weirdo anon started keeping of all these generals for some unknown reason.
>I am Chagossian and Chagossian are Mauritians, as I keep telling you retards.Like you are literally Chagossian? Ok that's news to me. I know you posted some info about Chagossians once.
So google says there are 10,000 Chagossians in the world, and you're one of them?
>Mamdani is a petit bourgeois rootless cosmopolitan. I am nothing like that faggot.<doesn't say he's not Indian.My brother I've tried to be at peace with you so many times. Leave me alone I'll leave you alone. You can beef with the rest of them in this thread. I won't reply to you anymore.
>>2694181ayy lmao
ayy lmao
ayy lmao
>>2694181I saw the obummer clip, it did sound weird but most people took it as he was just sarcastically dismissing the question. Obviously he wasn't coming out and disclosing aayylmaos are real.
>>2694182they should search for nancy guthrie who is still missing. where did she go???
>>2694188I'm pretty sure she's dead. She did an expose once where she interviewed j.e. survivors so there's a possibilty this is about sending a message to serve as a distraction. The tip to the sleaze rag is phony, nobody would have info worth payment unless they were directly involved.
>>2694190>She did an exposeShe being Savannah, whose husband worked under slick willy.
>>2694178>I am Chagossian and Chagossian are MauritiansIt's funny when nations eat smaller tribes and peoples then suddenly "self determination" as a value goes out the window lol
>>2694180Ok I got the receipts just like I did with Felix you little lying bitch. He too tried to gaslight about how he didn't do the cum tribute to Putin, but alas it exists in the archives.
This is the first instance of you ever using that name.
https://archive.ph/314KG#2490961My comment.
https://archive.ph/UhwL1You using that name.
>>2694203Like how would I forget that I initiated this whole Chagos thing, when he's been sperging out about it everyday here for months?
>>2694207
Your little niece watches shows where characters talk about wanting to have sex?
>>2694232
ok, i dont like you. how can i block this person guys?
>>2694230
fuck off ThingNoticer, or i'll sick Jimmy Neutron on you.
I deleted my posts because I don't want to start a multi-day incident over your questionable cartoons.
>>2693792
>Obama is incredibly beloved and he is barely even someone who gave chicken scratch to the proles. A social fascist would be an emperor if they had the spine to do it. Nobody would oppose them.
Wrong. Social fascism never works. The treatlerite urge for treats cannot be sated by some magical liberal. Democrat socialism never worked anywhere and cannot ever work. Democrat like cpusa jerk off for paragraphs at idea of super-profit distributer of their individual favor, yet they say cpusa does not support Platner. Never trust anything yankqui monkey says. Its all lies and its all wrong.
give me the highlights of the week, I have been touching grass
>>2694228Kill yourself avatarfag
>>2694180>this weirdo anon started keeping of all these generals for some unknown reason.the reason is simple
>>2694198>Ok I got the receipts just like I did with Felix you little lying bitch.exactly. the reason is getting receipts
>>2694184>Haven't been to Texas but I have the impression that it's not as reactionary underneath the surface about as much as California is reactionary underneath the surface.Not as much as the stereotypes yeah.
I think it's kind of about "historic development" as well. Texas lagged a bit developmentally… a bit slow to catch up to the historic trend. Compare Chicago in the 1920s to Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio in the 1920s. There's no comparison. Rural Texas is a bit more densely populated (relatively speaking) than you might think. But in the past 20-30 years, the Texas cities have been experiencing a boom like what Chicago went through a century ago. These cities are giant population sucking machines.
>>2694215Vote DSA everybody
The US is just Israel but bigger, it’s entire population needs to be sent back to wherever it’s ancestral home is, including natives, leave no one on the land, make it a big nature reservation
>>2694134…so Chagos was a Chuddy?
>>2694173Heteroid marriage goes shittily, homosexual marriages goes smoothly
>>2694354Homo marriages between men lowest divorce rate, straight marriage is around 50% divorce rate, homo marriages between women 70% because of lesbian bed death
>>2694355The "Marriage is Between a Man and a Woman" cucks shiver
>>2694359We gotta figure out how to socialize women into actually embracing their sexuality, they get so ashamed over it they lose the ability to orgasm
>>2694350Hes a brown chud. Basically kill all wypipo character.
>>2694178>>2694152Apparently the native Chagossian people were exiled by the Angloids, who now are 95.88% of the Chagos Archipelago population.
>>2694364He’s a kill all americans guy, to him there’s no difference between white, black, latino, and native Americans, all of them rape the earth, all are oppressors
>>2694367So in turn, Chagos Poster is a Chagossian nationalist ili nešto
Actual news title from burgeristan:
>Trump pal MyPillow pal Lindell is grilled after campaign spent $187K to buy his own book
<G R I L L E D
<as in made fun of by a comedian
Actual news from China:
>Any capitalist who disobeys the laws of the DotP is getting executed
You American ultras are the funni
>>2694371China is just pretending to keep kayfabe up, the law of value still operates there
>>2694371<G R I L L E D<as in made fun of by a comedianYou're thinking of "roasted." Grilled means you were asked tough questions
>>2694374<everything in china is fake, a lie, its all a big actok cia, i guess i should just surrender to the obviously superior Chinese culture who is capable of such astounding levels of organization and unprecedented levels of social control.
fucking retard.
>>2694385Go buy black myth zhong qui and learn your fake klingon ass language, it’s not gonna make any difference in the real world
>>2694374You are worse than republicans, tbh
>>2694388I am a republican
>>2694386>China is not making a diffShut up burger, you were ALWAYS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.
JUST SHUT UP >>2694390You are a repub worse than repubs, then.
>>2694391China doesn’t exist, it’s a fake country invented by the western military to justify its budget
>>2694392What are you gonna do? Vote me out
>>2694396Wall u or ur kids, lmao
>>2694400You couldn’t handle the recoil on anything bigger than a .22lr your frail wrist would snap
>>2694394And for Trump to justify his Amerikkkan late-stage capitalist wet dream
>>2694396don't mind if i do!
>>2694402Jewish nigger, we are talking about the starving masses vs. u or ur kids, idiot repub
Chagos is inherently a Chagossian nationalist
LASER USTAŠE REMOVAL MACHINE HAS CONFIRMED IT
>>2694385kayfabe anon does this every day. between wrongschizo anon, kayfabe/demoralizer anon, chagos, felix, and that one japanese guy who calls people chimps I think it's impossible to have real discussion in here and it's basically a designated shitting thread
>>2694370idk but he has become spiritually american by wasting all his time talking to americans when he isn't working or sleeping.
>>2694434…and shitting threads smells like no one's taken a shower in decades (hope y'all have showered)
>>2694434kayfabe anon isn't one person, it's multiple people criticizing china
>>2694149man this convo should be made into the banner. Specifically the "show me your dick" and the "this is unworthy for a bolshevik" part
>>2694434>and that one japanese guy who calls people chimpsWait what? Who? Like a Japanese American or an actual anon from Japan? I can't remember ever seeing a Japanese poster once since leftypol was on 8ch. I've seen a couple gaijin anons in Japan but never a Japanese poster.
On a related note, are any of those Chinese posters still posting? I guess I should just check the China thread myself.
>>2694436
Rightoids are literally smug when they insult Stalin or Tito or literally any single thing they consider "socialist". Yet they chimp out when 2 men kiss or when some 15 year old child plays Call of Duty
>>2694450Not what I was saying at all. I just always found it funny how obsessed this website is with Japanese pop culture and the fact that there are people posting here from every country on Earth except for Japan. Same with 4chan for that matter too. On 4pol if a Japanese flag posts everyone calls them "English teacher" and 99 times out of 100 it's correct. It's funny how much the whole world seems obsessed with them yet they are the most insular, incurious people in the world.
>>2694436
Lol, reminds me that I got chewed out once in a Leftwing group for saying people who don't put their shopping carts away were animals.
>"That's animal cruelty!"
>"That's Ableism!"
Y'know bitching about work is what a lot of workers do, but there's this whole culture on the Left that I think undermines its basic premise where if you complain about conditions you're living through it becomes a competition: "Oh, you think YOU have it bad?!"
>>2694456>but there's this whole culture on the Left that I think undermines its basic premise where if you complain about conditions you're living through it becomes a competition: "Oh, you think YOU have it bad?!"Also the basic premise of third worldism. No wonder it originated in America and mostly exists there.
>>2694458As if Americans who have far more to lose have anything in common with africans mining colbalt at gunpoint
>>2694463Yeah I'm thinking that reads like Chagos. I really wonder if anything he's ever told us is true.
No way in hell that's a Japanese person.
>>2694462see
>>2692138, the post, but also the images
>>2694362>>2694359>>2694355We gotta socialize women to be lustful and selfish the way men are. Average woman sexuality is being passive/reactive and dolling yourself up to be appealing to an other (usually not even your desired partner but an abstract gaze). The reason for the divorce stats is that nobody can compete with gay men being horny for each other. Lesbian bed death isn't the only problem but it is symptomatic of women being overwhelmingly socialized to not pursue or initiate. In reality though, when both partners/sides initiate it makes everyone happier. The real truthnuke is that everybody has within them both sides of the coin, wanting to desire and chase and wanting to be desired and be chased.
>>2694468make a thread in
>>>/siberia/ instead next time
I lowkey respect how much Chagos anon hates the U.S. He could be outside chilling on his Island but dedicates his time shitting on Americans on an obscure leftist image board. Definitely prefer him over thingnoticer.
>>2694468and women are told to be passive by societal norms ili nešto
>>2694462See, here you're just peddling oppression Olympics and passing it off as Marxism. Yeah no shit they don't have much in common because those are different class relationships. People mining cobalt at gunpoint aren't workers, they're slaves (but even then there is no basis to consider their interests are opposed). You understand that this is not the condition of the vast majority of people in the global south right? Most are workers and peasants, and in the former case what they have in common with American workers is occupying the same position in the relations of production. Even making such a comparison between workers and slaves shows that you aren't thinking in Marxist terms of class relations, but moralistic terms of relative poverty.
>>2694480Funny enough I heard a claim once that Prima Nocta was a myth spread by the aristocracy to convince peasants that they had it so much better compared to other peasants.
>"Why revolt against the French Monarchy? You're spoiled compared to Russian Serfs." >>2694471It's a topic other people are discussing ITT it doesn't warrant an entire thread. Dating and marriage is a relevant topic in /usapol/ because it's one of the things the culture war is obsessed with but has completely uninformed fictitious delusional theories about.
>>2694480Wrong. Read Lenin. Imperialist labor aristocrats materially are greatest enemies of Communism. euroamerikan settler are völkerabfälle. Euroamerikan are the greatest enemy
>>2694490>Read LeninI have, he says that the labour aristocracy consists of social democratic politicians and collaborationist union leaders. It doesn't refer to rank and file workers who are led astray by such people, and it consists of a tiny minority of workers.
>>2694468>We gotta socialize women to be lustful and selfish the way men are.hahaha
>>2694468>wewho?
>gottawhy?
>socializeas in socialism?
>women idpol
>to beor not to be? that is the question
>lustful and selfishsnarl worlds
>the way men areidpol
stopped reading
Why should I, as a third worlder, care about first world socialists according to my material interests?
>>2694500You shouldn't. So why are you here?
>>2694500why should men care about women
why should adults care about children
why should workers care about the homeless
why should anyone care about anything
>>2694500>Why should Iindividualism, stopped reading
so what's the news?
>>2694500Because history has shown that if the revolution doesn't succeed everywhere it won't succeed anywhere.
>>2694436
>The left's biggest issue is that we are STILL not willing to insult the right in any way that actually hurts their feelings
wrong, the biggest issue is that the left is not willing to kill all rightards
what if instead of marco rubio he was MACRO rubio and he was really big
there was a mass shooting
>>2694499>women <idpolLmao
>>2694435>idk but he has become spiritually americanIn his efforts to destroy America, changos has become an American. Eyes of monsters, void blinked back, many such cases.
>>2694513Yes, if the revolution is confined to the poorest and least developed regions of the world it will inevitably fail. We already learned this lesson in the 20th century.
>>2694508Socialist china and the third world with its aid are winning fine without you, nay, despite your country's full reactionary all hands on deck assault
>>2694528>Socialist china and the third world with its aid are winningReally? How many communist governments have they set up?
>>2694514Rhode Island ice rink shooting suspect's gender identity was source of past family conflict: docs<Robert Dorgan is accused of opening fire during youth hockey game in what police called a 'family dispute'
>A suspect accused of shooting and killing two people at a Rhode Island ice rink on Monday before killing himself was identified as transgender and had a history of past family conflict over his gender identity, a local news outlet reported, citing court documents.
>Court records show Robert Dorgan had been involved in multiple disputes with relatives in recent years, including allegations that tensions escalated after he underwent gender reassignment surgery, according to WPRI.
>Dorgan, 56, is accused of opening fire inside the Dennis M. Lynch Arena in Pawtucket during a hockey game between Coventry and Blackstone Valley Schools in what police described as a "family dispute," Pawtucket Police Chief Tina Goncalves said at a press conference Monday.
>A federal law enforcement source told Fox News the gunman killed his wife and shot three of his children before turning the gun on himself in what the source described as a domestic violence incident.
>In 2020, Dorgan reported to North Providence police that he had undergone gender-reassignment surgery and said his father-in-law wanted him out of the family home because of it. Police identified the suspect by the birth name Robert Dorgan and said he also went by "Roberta."
>According to court documents cited by WPRI, Dorgan alleged his father-in-law used a derogatory term for transgender individuals and threatened retaliation if he did not move out. The father-in-law was charged at the time, though prosecutors later dismissed the case.
>Court filings also show Dorgan’s then-wife initially cited "gender reassignment surgery, narcissistic + personality disorder traits" in divorce paperwork before the grounds were amended to "irreconcilable differences." The divorce was finalized in 2021. Divorce records list Dorgan as living in Jacksonville, Florida, at the time and working as a truck driver.
>Also in 2020, Dorgan accused his mother of assaulting him and acting in a "violent, threatening or tumultuous manner," according to police records cited by WPRI. His mother was charged with simple assault and battery and disorderly conduct, though the case was later dismissed, court records show.
>The dispute was also referenced in Dorgan’s conflict with his father-in-law. According to court documents, Dorgan told police his father-in-law "told me that if I did not drop the assault charges against my mother that further retaliation could be expected and that was another reason to have me killed."
<Robert Dorgan, who also identified as Roberta Esposito who shot up a high school hockey game in Rhode Island threatened to go “BERSERK” in a trans-rights rant just a day before he massacred two family members and injured three others.
<The night before the bloodshed, the 56-year-old dad — who underwent gender reassignment surgery in 2020 — made an ominous post on X in anger at someone calling trans Democratic Rep. Sarah McBride a man.
<“Keep bashing us. But do not wonder why we Go BERSERK,” Dorgan wrote in the chilling post.
<A woman spotted leaving the Pawtucket police station in the wake of the shooting identified herself as the gunman’s daughter, telling reporters he “has mental health issues” and was “very sick.”
<“He shot my family, and he’s dead now,” she said. >>2694513this is actually how i imagine around 30% of burgers are IRL
>>2694532you're so retarded. my landlord literally has a Phillipina "mail order bride" and she hates his fucking guts and probably cheats on him lol. If someone from the third world gets with you, it isn't because they love you, it's because they want to escape their miserable conditions into comfort. Take it from someone in an actual loving relationship for 15 years, it's partly luck, partly sincere rapport, a lot of showing you mean it through your actions and not just your words, and yes, most importantly, having a good personality, and no I don't mean simply being a "nice guy" (non confrontational pussy who feels entitled to things simply because he isn't a roid rager)
>>2694533>>2694528>Third Worldists spend all day ranting about total burger death<"Okay so why should we even bother with this internationalism thing if this is who our 'allies' are?">"Erm, sweaty, Capitalism is INTERNATIONAL, it can only be defeated INTERNATIONALLY."<"Okay so you should actually try to help us/win us over for your sake.">"Acktually the third will is winning DESPITE everything you've done! :^)"Again, these types use internationalism as a cudgel to say you have to be saddled with worthless self-defeating losers then drop it as soon as there's any kind of expectation of reciprocity.
>>2694383>Semantics 1. Did the My Pillow Guy get executed in the USA?
(no)
2. Would he had in China?
(yes)
Your explanation….?!?!
>>2694540>If someone from the third world gets with you, it isn't because they love you,sorry, let me be a little less cynical… it isn't
necessarily because they love you.
>>2694537damn where can I get 4 more arms
>>2694533Imperialist treatlerite wages have stagnated and even declined for the first time since the great depression, and the rate of profit is lowest its ever been, which is a real, material expression of how much less blood your ilk is able to suck from the third world, causing the left, right and center wings of western social fascism to mobilize for a petty bourg thermidorian revolution, which is the reason you and your alt right siblings got "radicalized" and are now on this website complaining about your empire's uppity factory slaves who are carrying the entire third world on their backs, that being china.
big progressive influencers like hasan and majority report, are uncritically falling behind AOC 2 years ahead of the election and scolding people who don't in the exact same way the criticize establishment dems of doing behind gavin newsom. they have are making excuses for her hyper aggressive genocidal positions on foreign policy.
>>2694541I'm not like the other girls, I fully recognize that we're on the opposite trenches of the global class struggle, "helping you" would be reactionary, I'm here to demotivate you from helping yourself (thus hurting me) and become a class traitor like engels.
>>2694527>We already learned this lessonwestoid revolution status?
The proletariat is not a revolutionary class and never have been and never will be, Marx was wrong, get new theory
>>2694540>my landlord literally has a Phillipina "mail order bride" and she hates his fucking guts and probably cheats on him lol.meanwhile my mom's best friend is a Thai lady that was happily married to her white husband for 40 years until he died recently. he was 15 years older than her as well. not every marriage with a third world woman is just a scam. many of them are in it for the long haul of building a life with someone.
>Take it from someone in an actual loving relationship for 15 years, it's partly luck, partly sincere rapport, a lot of showing you mean it through your actions and not just your words, and yes, most importantly, having a good personalitythere's so much self-glazing here lol; dating is like 90% about status, 10% about luck. personality hardly matters in getting your foot through the door. no woman is like "oh this guy asked me out, his car was shit and he was only 5'8 but i could tell his PERSONALITY was great". sincerity basically doesn't factor in at all. sharing political views/values even less so. pic related.
>>2694543>sorry, let me be a little less cynical… it isn't necessarily because they love you.true, but I think that's the same for first world marriages. ironically "mail order brides" don't have a higher divorce rate than traditional marriages, it's just a psyop because american women are terrified of being replaced by someone younger and less brainwashed by capital into commodifying romance.
>>2694555>personality hardly matters in getting your foot through the door. virgin alert lmao
You’re nothing, you’re no one, you don’t matter, you never will, you will always be a passive observer of your own life until you die
>>2694556What's wrong with being a virgin? Are you some bourgeois hedonist?
>>2694550You're literally motivating people to abandon you to help themselves.
Seriously, what's your argument: "If your life gets better it'll make an annoying asshole like me miserable?" Good. You think we actually will get some motivation to sacrifice our own wellbeing for you? You're not a neighbor or friend or family, you're just an annoying asshole.
>>2694562>neighbor or friend or family, Petty bourg peasant mentality, go polish proudhon's bald spot, libertarian
>>2694562Every death and suicide in the imperial core is justice for the third world
>>2694561I meant that for everyone, not just you individually
>>2694547Yup and you’ll do nothing as the burgerreich continues another thousand years.
>>2694567I apologize, by responding as I did indicated I didn't understand as much as I thought I did.
>>2694562all that matters is that at the end of the day you will shill for AOC
>>2694562You frame it like it's a unreasonable position but I've met a lot of leftists in the first world that cheer any time something horrible happens in America because it's justice for the third world and also puts us a step closer to collapse of the American Empire.
See: IronFelix
>>2694562>You're not a neighbor or friend or familyIndividualist brainrot oml what is this larp
>>2694580Trump loves talking abt how woke he is
Just die, all of you, blow your fucking brains out, slice your wrists, shoot fentanyl, sniff fent laced coke, drink until you vomit then keep drinking, never eat a fruit or a vegetable unless it’s covered in salt
>>2694582It’s not a LARP, americans are all isolated individuals, not a society, any time Americans try collectivism is the actual larp
>>2694580Or it's because Trump is trying to depict himself as some kind of men's man who just is friendly to anyone? Or it can be that Trump is actually sincere.
RIP Jesse
>>2694586FENTANEEEEEEEEEEEL
>>2694582Collectivism devoid of actual, material circumstances such as social reproduction of norms or engaging together in the workplace is liberal idealism.
You're whining that people have a more real connection with their community than some douchebag saying you're obligated to suffer for him because of some nebulous ideals.
>>2694592If you were an actual communist you would have left the US and renounced your citizenship
>>2694547>Imperialist treatlerite wages have stagnated and even declined for the first time since the great depressionThis is a sign of the relative increase of the power of capital over labour. You unironically see this as a victory? If so it puts you on the same side as the porkies cutting those wages.
>and the rate of profit is lowest its ever beenAnon this happens literally on its own, it's not an accomplishment lmao. Read Marx ffs.
>are now on this website complaining about your empire's uppity factory slaves who are carrying the entire third world on their backs, that being chinaI don't complain about China though. I applaud and support most of what they do in the world. My main complaint about them is that they aren't confronting the West nearly aggressively enough.
None of this is addressing my original point though. The "third world" is not "winning". What's happening is that the emergence of China as a major power has allowed the bourgeoisie of some third world countries to reduce (though not eliminate) their dependency on the West. That's all. This is not even close to socialist revolution.
>>2694593Once again: this is completely abstract idealism that you're throwing a red coat of paint on
>>2694586:( You're so mean anon
>>2694588I don't know if such a broad statement like that can be true or provable
>>2694593Thats a lot of money 2 be fair…
>>2694596You annoyed by all the third worldists? Prove them wrong by overthrowing the government right now, every day the US government exists the third worldists are correct
>>2694586This is how Americans' health are generally terrible and Big Pharma is profiting off the illness of billions
>>2694546Remember how it was confirmed a few weeks ago that the western left, modern Nazism, and the TRA movement were all being astroturfed by the same cabal of Jewish billionaires directly connected with Epstein? Notice how they all intersect at another American classic: a mass shooting. Uh oh!
>>2694600Good, every heart attack in America is justice for the third world
>>2694599>"Prove me wrong!"A: That insinuates that there's something to prove and gives them undue moral authority.
B: 'Just overthrow the government' is again, just liberal idealism.
>>2694555>8th and 10th grade boys are becoming sexistWeirdly specific sample group tbh. Also when people talk about the dating market I'm pretty sure they're not talking about high schoolers lmao
>>2694604You’re going to go to party meetings, warhammer sessions and post here until you die and insist on calling yourself anything other than a consumer amerifat, you’re nothing
What do you call the people in a communist party who don't read or bother with anything public facing related and instead do the equivalent of stacking boxes for the party is that even a thing
>>2694607It’s called a barback
Communism is the opiate of the confused middle class
>>2694492Lenin went through great pains spending much time proving amerikans wrong. anything an amerikan says can be proven wrong with Lenin.
The export of capital, one of the most essential economic bases of imperialism, still more completely isolates the rentiers from production and sets the seal of parasitism on the whole country that lives by exploiting the labour of several overseas countries and colonies.
[Source: "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'" Section 8]
300-400 million out of 1,600 are oppressors.
[Source: "Notes for Lecture on 'Imperialism and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination'"]
To tell the workers in the handful of rich countries where life is easier, thanks to imperialist pillage, that they must be afraid of 'too great' impoverishment, is counter-revolutionary. It is the reverse that they should be told. The labour aristocracy that is afraid of sacrifices, afraid of 'too great' impoverishment during the revolutionary struggle, cannot belong to the Party. Otherwise, the dictatorship is impossible, especially in West-European countries.
[Source: "The Second Congress of the Communist International, Verbatum Report'"]
Economic statistics show that here a larger percentage of the workers become 'straw bosses' than is the case in the oppressed nations, a larger percentage rise to the labour aristocracy. That is a fact. To a certain degree the workers of the oppressor nations are partners of their own bourgeoisie in plundering the workers (and the mass of the population) of the oppressed nations. (2) Politically, the difference is that, compared with the workers of the oppressed nations, they occupy a privileged position in many spheres of political life. (3) Ideologically, the difference is that they are taught, at school and in life, disdain and contempt for the workers of the oppressed nations.
[Source: "A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism'" Section 5]
>>2694605the 10th grade boys of 2008 are the 30 year old boys of today.
>>2694606Again, Third Worldists assuming they even join parties will do nothing and post here that "America MUST be destroyed" then act like they're doing literally anything different. They aren't shooting anyone, they aren't engaging in acts of sabotage, they aren't actually fighting anything. But they like to pretend "Everyone ELSE is doing nothing!"
>>2694594>this happens literally on its ownAh yes, the god-machine of capital acting "on its own" without any human input at all
You are a vulgar economic determinist, and everything you characterize as "mere" insignificant/irrelevant incremental changes is quite literally the process of history itself, the dialectic and class struggle in motion, the primary contradiction resolving before our eyes.
Read mao, read engels, read lenin' conspectus on hegel, learn about the transition of quantitative changes into qualitative
>I applaud and support most of what they do in the world. My main complaint about them is that they aren't confronting the West nearly aggressively enough.It doesn't matter what you privately believe, what matters is your concrete activity, that being running cover for western genocidal imperialism by shifting attention on china's supposed shortcomings right on langley's schedule when they'd really like everyone to talk about something other than how they supply 100% of israel's arms snd run a global baby eating club.
You're like the boy who screams wolf when the barn is on fire, making the problem worse. It doesn't matter if you really believe there's a wolf, or if you're giving a "measured critique of the wolf's actions in world politics", you are objectively distracting from the fire.
>>2694616They’re telling the truth but the truth doesn’t affect reality so they’re just venting, you and them are reflections of each other
>>2694620China doesn’t exist, acknowledging them at all is running cover for increased US military budgets
>>2694622They aren't though. Telling the truth, that is. They're screeching "You need to overthrow the government" as though that's just a matter of willpower and then they aren't overthrowing the government themselves.
>>2694624It is a matter of willpower, have you seen feds? They’re fat and disheveled
>>2694628
China doesn’t exist
>>2694628
They're doing social imperialism on the US, which is objectively progressive
>>2694632It would be if they existed, they don’t
I wonder if we've been wasting our time plotting how to destroy the US government when we could've been spending it building an alternative society in the middle of nowhere. Thoughts on communes?
>>2694620You know you’re talking someone who signed up on his own free will to join his nation’s equivalent of the SS while NATO was running an active campaign of genocide in the Middle East right? He is quite literally just a National Socialist who is too cowardly to admit what he is, don’t waste your breath on him
>>2694604>liberal idealismbro you are literally a democrat shill hahahahah where do you even get the nerve to call other people liberals hahahah holyshit
>>2694623I'm not sure that's what he said I think he said something else
>>2694634All the communes I've known about were cults and also you sort of get trapped there if nobody is making supplemental wages which is no good in the case of some crazy interpersonal drama
>>2694624Wrong. Why are you so sour? More people realize why your kind of revisionism is incorrect by the day. The majority revolutionary core split from revisionist party is followed more abd more closely by the masses.
>>2694634No point, the US would destroy it as soon as they knew anything about it
>>2694500Por que si los gringos o euromierdas tienen revolucion socialista entonces dejan de meternos misiles y dictadores por el culo, por eso.
>>2694634>I wonder if we've been wasting our time plotting how to destroy the US government when we could've been spending it building an alternative society in the middle of nowhere. Thoughts on communes?The idea has come up a lot. If you want to go live on a commune or "intentional living community" or whatever I suggest looking on workaway.info My friends have found places through there before.
>>2694641>All the communes I've known about were cults and also you sort of get trapped there if nobody is making supplemental wages which is no good in the case of some crazy interpersonal dramaI've always thought I'd be a good cult leader. I should try it.
>>2694645If I recall correctly some anarkkkiddie ban evaders on leftypol tried to make some commune in an abandoned building in Detroit which fell apart after a week
there is currently a coordinated campaign from the national socialist wing of the democratic party (probably managed through fight agency, but if not them surely there is another organization) involving many "radical" non-mainstream propaganda outlets to push AOC as the presidential candidate and to downplay criticisms of her coming from the left.
examples of this are people on xitter calling critiques of her foreign policy misogynistic
>>2694644You’re wrong, if Euros and Americans went socialist they would invade and bomb you for being the wrong type of socialist, imperialism and paternalism are hard coded inside them
>>2694647I feel like communes require a moderate amount of natural resources to exploit otherwise it's just being roommates with 20 people while you work minimum wage or all run some sort of confectionery store together
>>2694646You’re outing yourself as a sexual abuser
>>2694616Your words make sense when we recognize fact that "Third worldism" grow as revisionism dies. Cpusa says vote for platner while The Communist Party sends aid to Donbas and give speeches to Hamas is example
>>2694648It really can’t be overstated that if the unholy trinity of AOC, Mamdani and Platner gain control of the American government their Fourth Reich’s Generalplan Ost will be so utterly catastrophic it would put the original Nazis to shame. I’m not exaggerating when I say the left wing of capital in America is an existential threat to the planet
>>2694649>>2694644Иә, олар өздері туралы сөйтіп ойлайды, бірақ адамның өзінің туралы ойлары шындыққа сәйкес болмау мүмкін.
Батыстың социалисттардың күнге күнгі әрекеттері - 1) өз буржуаздарынан қайыр, реформа сұрау, 2) өз құлдарын жеткіліксіз социалистты болған үшін жамандау.
>>2694641>All the communes I've known about were cults and also you sort of get trapped there if nobody is making supplemental wages which is no good iMy bro lived on this commune for awhile. It was right near a major city tho so that wasn't a problem. It was on this ranch of this one semi-famous artist from like 100 years ago now being run by his hippie kids. So it was more focused on like arts and all that but they did farming too, goats, lamas, etc. I think like half of the people there were hippy types and the other half were people that were in some financial straights, so paying them a couple hundred to stay in whatever junk trailers they had on the property was a good deal compared to other options in the area.
>in the case of some crazy interpersonal dramaOh there was that up the yin yang. He be going on and on about the who was fucking who and this and that drama and fights and whatever that was always happening. Also those hippy types are LAZY as fuck. If you make some kind of hippy commune, you are going to draw in the most laziest fuckers this world has ever known. That's probably why they get in so much drama because they have nothing else to do all day. Like all the communal kitchen areas and shit were so filthy, none of those bastards can be bothered to even do the dishes even though might be living there free or almost free.
Another random detail, they used to go and party with those guys in Slab City every year. I guess all those different communities stay connected.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/slab-city-home-those-fringe-flna335586https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_City,_California >>2694634>>2694645Individualist small commune isolationism isn't socialism, it's quite literally an anarcho-libertarian-nazi-proudhonist-frenchmaoist petty bourgeois homesteading "don't tread on me" erotic fantasy that is nothing but a pretext for running a sex cult.
Every time an anarchoid describes a "self sufficient rural commune free from state authority" all I can imagine is a fundamentalist cult in the american deep south where the anarcho-religious patriarch-prophet pimps out his nieces to his apostles free from the prying nose of a central authority with its pesky age of consent laws.
>>2694667It’s almost like anarchism and Nazism are two sides of the same Zionist coin!
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2694668Marxism is also that, read what Marx had to day about America, he was controlled opposition crypto zionist all along
>>2694668>>2694670Everything is Zionism. You're probably a Zionist too and don't even know it.
>>2694674Everyone who isn’t in Gaza right now is a zionist
>>2694620>Ah yes, the god-machine of capital acting "on its own" without any human input at allNot what I said. It happens on its own in the sense that it's a consequence of the natural laws of capitalism rather than the intervention of any revolutionary force. Hence its not an argument for why the third world can supposedly make revolution without the first.
>that being running cover for western genocidal imperialism by shifting attention on china's supposed shortcomingsSo I'm running cover for Western imperialism by saying it should be confronted more aggressively? By saying that it needs to be more vigorously fought and decisively destroyed?
>You're like the boy who screams wolf when the barn is on fireNo I'm the person saying that a bucket of water isn't enough to put it out and that we need a fire hose. But here you are claiming that calling for more water makes me pro-fire lmao.
Nothing outside of the US exists, it’s all fake, they’re all actors, they don’t live there, those accents and languages were created like the languages in star trek, stop falling for kayfabe
>>2694674Zionism could as well be part of the third worldist ideology
The whole reason they teach 1984 in high school is because we live on airstrip 1
>>2694691Ashkenazi and sephardic zionists are first worldists and mizrahis are third wolrldisrs
>>2694545>Implying 1st world women have good personalities.you can say any group sucks by simply treating them as collective because humans in general suck. oldest trick in the book only retards fall for. I could say other things about your but I won't waste your time.
>>2694678Partially incorrect. The Communist Party is the only leftist org in amerika that has fraternal ties with hamas.
>>2694681>So I'm running cover for Western imperialism by saying it should be confronted more aggressively? By saying that it needs to be more vigorously fought and decisively destroyed? Yes, you're saying that the enemy soldiers who are in the trenches across the killing field are unprincipled, stupid cowards and should hurry up and run across the open field so that they can save both you and themselves much quicker.
>No I'm the person saying that a bucket of water isn't enough to put it out and that we need a fire hose. But here you are claiming that calling for more water makes me pro-fire lmao.In this you are making the imperious assertion that socialists in the enemy camp (whom you allegedly side with) are either dumb or evil because they're not doing what you see as obvious from your camp.
Of course the socialist camp can't hear your genius advice because you're not even talking to them, or listening to them, you're talking to your fellow anglophones, and in its concrete activity your "analysis" amounts to telling your fellow soldiers that the enemy is evil and retarded, thus justifying their genocidal cause and lifting up their spirits.
>>2694695Being a “good person” just means you have enough money that you aren’t forced to act in an antisocial way just to survive
>>2694699There is no enemy camp, stop falling for kayfabe
>>2694692Yes, and possibly we are heading towards an exact copy of the war that will form an authocratic Ingsoc police state that no one would fight against because they are too scared of getting "vapourised"
>>2694653I don't think he said that at all I think he is making a joke maybe
>>2694663I think if I lived on a commune I'd want to live on a repressed one where everyone is working all the time as some sort of meditative thing
There's always a hippy angle so I imagine a commune is sort of like that where you're at a low point living with other people at their low point, sort of like living in a homeless encampment but better
>>2694704Name a cult leader that had no sexual abuse, I’ll wait
where is the mauritius menace
>>2694703That’s not an irrational fear
>>2694707I banished him, he’s a digital djinn, if you keep him out of your thoughts and do not let him in he stays in the nether
>>2694706anonny he was making a joke not actually proclaiming a desire to become a cult leader don't be silly
>>2694593You realize to do that i would have to pay the us 2000 dollars better to choice just move and ghost the usa
>>2694711I learned a long time ago that jokes are just people saying how they really feel and going “ah it was joke” when they get called on it
>>2694706The ufo cult they all cut their balls off including the leader
>>2694712No you don’t, who is going to catch you?
>>2694715As if castration isn’t a form of sexual abuse
>>2694620I'm convinced if you showed these Chinaboos a slideshow of less than topical western cosmopolitan cities and told them it was China, they'd be creaming themselves about "the power of socialism".
All they want is a winner to identify with.
>>2694708well, i'm sure no one wants their ability to think freely to be taken away
>>2694718I'd instantly recognize it's not china by the decaying infrastructure, obese pigs everywhere, lack of public transport, half the city being dedicated to parking lots and 12 lane roads, and cities littered with shit due to american's leaking diarrhea from not eating enough vegetables
And in the distance there will be 100 square kilometers of carboard houses
>>2694714This is the leftypol usa thread everyone is just sort of throwing stuff @ the wall 4 banter
I think u are taking this too seriously and misapplying ur past experiences onto anonymous messages, especially since the idea of being a cult leader or jokes about cult leaders is a common pop culture trope
>>2694718What metropolitan city do you think is the most passably chinese?
>>2694699>Yes, you're saying that the enemy soldiers who are in the trenches across the killing field are unprincipled, stupid cowards and should hurry up and run across the open field By that logic I could accuse you of being pro-imperialist, since you're advocating for them to sit in their trenches forever and refuse to confront the enemy until they get encircled and destroyed.
>In this you are making the imperious assertion that socialists in the enemy camp (whom you allegedly side with) are either dumb or evil because they're not doing what you see as obvious from your campEven if that were true, how exactly does this manufacture consent for imperialism or run cover for it? If I'm going around telling people that Western imperialism must be destroyed, and that no country in the world today is opposing it aggressively enough, then how is this in any way a pro-imperalist message? In what way will a person who adopts this viewpoint become more of an asset to imperialism in any meaningful sense? How will it get them to accept and support imperialist policies, imperialist wars, imperialist institutions, imperialist narratives, etc.? In practical terms a person is only objectively anti-imperialist when they actually oppose the imperialist actions of their own government. Libbed up anarchoid Palestin Action activists going and smashing up the offices of arms companies most likely have a pretty negative view of China, but they are doing more for the anti-imperial struggle than a million internet cheerleaders for the PRC.
>and in its concrete activity your "analysis" amounts to telling your fellow soldiers that the enemy is evil and retardedI don't think China is evil or retarded. I think they place their national interests above international solidarity, and that they are mistaken if they think they can defeat the West through the means they're currently using. Do you really think in such binary terms? That you can only still for something uncritically or think they're terrible with no redeeming qualities? This is the mindset of a child. On the whole I still think China is a well intentioned state playing an extremely important progressive role in the world today. In fact I would say that the hopes of world revolution are pinned on their survival and success for the foreseeable future. However thinking this doesn't mean that I support everything they do in all instances, that I don't think their policy could be improved, etc.
You're really grasping at straws here comrade.
>>2694716To officially renounce your citizenship you have to pay 2000 dollars might as well just move and ghost the gov if you are done being amerikan
>>2694707>>2694718We've just acked Chagos's existence. Thank you
>>2694717Its not abuse if the leader gets castrated also
>>2694644>>2694649This "socialism" where euros and americans need to be happy little customers of socialism first before ever allowing it to succeed and not bomb you to smithereens is not socialism at all, it's just kinda obvious that their priority is mantaining the international hierarchy intact. This social order when the revolution begins in the first world is an obvious contradiction at its face and anyone who entertains you is not only retarded, they also think YOU are somehow more retarded
>>2694726Is this what 3rd worldists mean by overthrowing the govt?
>>2694729They will pursue u for tax evasion and if u r in an extradition country they will send u back and then you're stuck in burgerland prison instead of being out 2000 dollars
>>2694732I don't think that logic is sound
>>2694728I'm not advocating for them to do anything, I'm advocating for you to shut the fuck up and practice revolutionary defeatism.
>>2694700except even most desperately poor people don't act antisocial, and plenty of incredibly rich people do.
>>2694723And in turn, these americans get vitamin deficits, making them suffer from rickets and other illnesses that can only be solved by consuming supplements and fruits and vegetables.
>>2694738I do, I'm a member of a party and have been active in my country's anti-imperialist movement for years. I constantly advocate for revolutionary defeatism both on here and irl. But you see, this is a discussion form where people discuss things, and this means you may have to hear things you don't agree with. If you want to dispute my views then that's awesome, but don't make nonsensical accusations that everybody who disagrees you wants the bad guys to win.
>>2694738Revolutionary defeatism doesn’t make sense when China doesn’t exist and thus doesn’t pose a threat to anything or anyone
>>2694739You’ve never interacted with a homeless person strung out on hard drugs
>>2694737Unless you also do something highprofile i doubt it I
>don't think that logic is soundNot being 100 percent serious but the fact that he castrated himself shows that he believed in what ever he preached instead just wanting control over brainwashed women to suck his cock
>>2694745Yes I have. It is typically more pleasant than talking to people on here who always find a way to change the subject, make an accusation, or troll.
>>2694739$2000? There could be many who can't afford to abandon the Burger Reich. Only the relatively well-off
>>2694729Yeah, elites act like they can do anything and that having money means power, when it actually isn't
>>2694747As a beaner i cannot look at a full english breakfast with out wondering why these yakubians cook beans in such a horrid way
>>2694751That’s because internet communication is inherently poisonous and doesn’t involve reading a face or body language
>>2694743>that everybody who disagrees you wants the bad guys to win.you in specific always side with the resident strasserite here tho
>>2694754I don't have anything to add to that except that it's perfectly possible to respond directly to what someone said without being a dick even in the absence of body language or face reading. If you look at letters people used to write to each other, even to people they didn't personally know, they did just fine.
>>2694755if I were a retired US president I'd be trolling all day every day claiming that aliens are real, that the second coming happened under my tenure and that the CIA is keeping jesus sedated in a tank of formaldehyde, that I've had lunches with lizard people and that they like nolan movies, etc. etc.
what a waste
>>2694753I’d eat everything except the beans, even blood puddng is just sausage
>>2694747Chagos does have a point here about music. England had been the birthplace of punk and rave music. England does have some good rock and punk bands like The Smiths, Oasis and Sex Pistols. But american rap is barely appealing. It mostly relies on sex, partying, money and drugs. But rap can also highlight sensitive issues as well like inequality, struggle and even mental liberation. So, this has been the only post by Chagos that actually made some sense
>>2694758That’s because letters had your real name attached to them, being anonymous online means you can be as harsh and awful as possible without seeing any sort of real consequence
>>2694743Being a member of the "golden billion" is in and of itself worse than Nazism to these people and unless you performatively flagellate yourself on a regular basis there's no changing that
>>2694766Checkout some old westcoast rap that shits pretty good tbh
>>2694753>>2694762In fact, I will NOT eat these beans. Just everything else - even the blood sausage (you can't even taste the iron in the blood)
>>2694769Yeah, the nazis lost and their evil was mostly confined to europe, which makes them better than euroamerikans in an objective, quantifiable sense.
>>2694776That makes Stalin worse than Hitler for allying with America
>>2694724Just show a picture of a Chinatown from whatever American city has one.
>>2694768yeah but that's boring and easy. i would rather just have a candid conversation. we can cast aside taboos without becoming babbling idiots.
>>2694781Easy for you maybe, I have way too much bile in me for that
>>2694695>I could say other things about your but I won't waste your time.ok…. I was just replying to that other anon implying that Western men have bad personalities.
>you can say any group sucks by simply treating them as collective because humans in general suck. Yeah that's fair. And I feel like people tend to do that with men all time. Generalizations for me, not for thee kind of thing.
<having a good personality, and no I don't mean simply being a "nice guy" (non confrontational pussy who feels entitled to things simply because he isn't a roid rager)Even worse too, playing the whole "nice guys can't fuck" and "nice guys" are the real assholes game and all that. "Nice guys" are being nice to your because they want…….SEXO. Spooky evil.
I mean if I would talk about personality problems with women(the ones that have them), it would be more along the lines of them not being very nice. It's so weird to be like: Ughhhh "nice guys." Imagine if that was reversed and men were complaining about "nice girls" lmao. To go to a related point, it seems like the programming directed at women is about how to be as big a cunt as you can. I guess the Tate stuff is just the same shit too of course. There's a lot of parallels on both sides.
>>2694543I guess he reduced it from being absolute:
>If someone from the third world gets with you, it isn't because they love you,<sorry, let me be a little less cynical… it isn't necessarily because they love you.Anyways this isn't the dating advice thread. I wouldn't take any from any of you anyways lmao. That's why I have the containment thread hidden always.
Anyways I apologize for wading into this conversation. These discussion seem to never go to anything productive and I don't even see and logical throughline to this one.
I guess last thing, yes I know there are a lot of good women out there, I know many, I don't have any problem finding a nice one even if they were 1 in 10 it's not a problem for me.
>>2694788Based lyrics poster i love police in helicopter thanks for intoducing it to me
>>2694788I didn't think anyone else would post this nwa classic.
>>2694791I was more meaning a burgerland metropolitan this is kind of cheating
I do wonder how long I could get away with using videos of grozny in china edits though
>>2694787Oakland > Berkley > Richmond > San Jose > San Fransisco
>>2694756I honestly have no idea who you're talking about since anything short of immediate sepuku makes somebody a "strasserite" to you dipshits. Somebody is a "strasserite" if they believe revolution is possible in the first world and work to achieve it. They're a "strasserite" if they say that communists should practice international solidarity. They're a "strasserite" if they say that national capitalism is insufficient to defeat imperialism or emancipate the third world. The term literally means nothing.
>>2694796It’s you specifically, that’s it’s meaning, no matter what you do or say
>>2694795I was living in norcal and passing through the bay area but only towards the tail end of my time did i checkout oakland it was cool, people are more freindly their than alot lf places
>>2694797
No contradictions
>>2694766>american rap is barely appealing. It mostly relies on sex, partying, money and drugsand rock didn't? every genre sucks if you only look at that particular cross section of it.
>>2694797
This fat treatler wants immigrant slaves to make his food for him, he’s so entitled to the labor of others any threat to it makes him immediately violent
>>2694797
I'm vooooting for him in 2036
>>2694803A yes i bet the people in ice detention thank the trump regime for their manumission as they eat big infested food and those next to them die from lack of medical care
>>2694803Honestly it seems like that kid who got punched is just such an asshole that someone just finally got tired of his shit and punched him. The ICE stuff might just be extra.
>>2694809Apparently he was already somewhat infamous as a rightoid "influencer" who'd go around rage baiting wagies by just being a cunt in public, bro had it coming for a long time now
>>2694809That’s probably the real story, by virtue of filming himself like that we know he probably has a history of being insufferable in general and politics is tertiary to this
>>2694809The guy made a video of him pulling fire alarms as a prank
>>2694809In my experience a lot of kids who are bullies, assholes, and generally unpleasant also like to be racist dicks for no apparent reason. I think it's just an extension of their shitty personalities and wanting to be pricks for the sake of it.
>>2694807Have you ever been in amerikan jail? Same as always just more crowded
>>2694815Ive read discriptions of both ice sounds worse that the local jails, where i live but maybe some nightware jail in louisana is on that level
>>2694817Angola prison in louisiana is pretty bad, they have chain gangs picking cotton
>>2694813yeah there's just a lot of people who thinks God appointed them to shit-test, ragebait, and troll everyone else nonstop and anything but silently taking it up the ass from them is proof of their subhumanity or whatever
>>2694822Yes, the name of that insect is "the english"
>>2694833
excuse me he's a greek australian
>>2694766<But american rap is barely appealing. It mostly relies on sex, partying, money and drugs.
>Money's worthless, real power is people>Real strength is in the>Streets where everybody's equal>Fuck jewelry>Fuck rims let's spend on our protection>Get armor, get cameras>Get wit' it lil uygha this man's shit>Real power is people real strength is in the>Streets where everybody's equalI won't post all the lyrics but a few more bars:
>I'll tell you a lil secret>It's a secret government that worship an owl>They practice witchcraft to>Harness their power<Pedophile rape lil kids for energy>The Satanic rituals WTC (RIP)
<Pedophile rape lil kids for energyWhat a wild line lol.
/usapol/ claims to be materialist but will deny material reality of ZOG
/usapol/ claims to be anti-zionist but will repeat zionist WW2 history
/usapol/ claims to be Communist but will vote blue no matter who
/usapol/ claims to be anti-imperialist but will genocide third worlders for funko pops
/usapol/ claims to be working class but produces no commodities
/usapol/ is liberal, zionist, imperialist
>>2694839And what are you going to do with that knowledge exactly?
>>2694841Hound you fascists to suicide
>>2694842GET YE GONE DJINN, I REBUKE YOU, BACK TO THE NETHER
>>2694838>"raping children gives you magic powers" no it doesn't and spreading that nonsense will just encourage psychos of all classes to try it lol. the rich do fucked up shit because it makes them feel good and they can get away with it, not because it gives them magic powers. It's real cart before the horse shit. the wealth and power they already had shields them from consequences for their actions. But these retards are literally saying that their actions give them magic powers to shield them from consequences.
>>2694850Rich billionaires rape kids for the same rush poor people get from getting away with drunk driving
>>2694799except that's hist justification for the molotov ribbentrop pact
>>2694853they also blackmail each other with it. It's like a blood pact.
>"you can join our secret society, but you have to prove you're hardcore by raping this kid on camera. "is speculative, but still more materialist than
>they rape kids because it gives them magic powers >>2694554Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that graph say boys are
more sexist when they're dating? Kind off bizarre, I've kind of thought most Misogyny was born from resentment over not having a partner
>>2694858god. what an outstanding retard.
>>2694819
>anti-influencer
God, I hope so because it always was really cringe.
Gen Z made it trendy to watch or become a human infomercial.
>>2694858ideology is downstream from class interest
laborers become reactionary when they manage to become bourgeois
first worlders become reactionary when they receive imperialist treats
men become more reactionary when they get access to commodified female property ("girlfriend", "wife")
>>2694858why would you assume that when misogyny is literally as old as class civilization and was materially premised on the trafficking of women as wives, concubines, and sex slaves?
This isn’t real, you’re not real, get out of my head
>>2694850>no it doesn'tYeah I'm not saying I believe it, I mostly liked the message of the chorus. Use your money to prepare for war.
>and spreading that nonsense will just encourage psychos of all classes to try it lol.I think that's a stretch.
All those New York rappers were big into Milton William Cooper and Behold A Pale Horse.
https://www.vulture.com/2018/08/how-behold-a-pale-horse-influenced-hip-hop.htmlThe Conspiracist Manual That Influenced a Generation of Rappers>Seventeen years after his demise, Bill Cooper retains considerable name recognition on 125th Street in Harlem. Mention of him and/or Behold a Pale Horse rang a bell with a surprisingly high number of people of a certain age who identified themselves as longtime Harlem residents.
>“Most people, anyone who once thought of themselves as radical in any way, knows William Cooper,” said one dapper-looking man standing under the marquee of the Apollo. “Behold a Pale Horse, we used to just call it ‘The Book.’ ” Others recalled talks given by the late Steve Cokely, an African-American independent researcher–street speaker who occasionally referenced Cooper. In the middle of a presentation on topics like Cointelpro, Cokely would pick up a copy of Behold a Pale Horse and say, “Let’s see what the white boy has to say about this.”
>Still one of the most-shoplifted books in Barnes & Noble history, the popularity of Behold a Pale Horse began in prison, places like Attica, Clinton/Dannemora, Green Haven, and Sing Sing, where Cooper’s extreme paranoid view made complete sense. Besides, as Bro. Nova said, “Where else were people going to read it? Back then everyone was in jail. Or dead.”
>This had the ring of truth. In 1990 and 1991, 5,077 people were murdered in New York, by far the highest two-year total in city history. It was the crack plague, and a new generation of griots arose to speak truth to the ongoing trauma of urban life. Many of the rappers who emerged during the early 1990s, the great Wu-Tangs, the formidable Nas of the Queensbridge Houses, were deeply influenced by the Five Percenters, a.k.a. the Nation of Gods and Earths. The movement had been founded in the late 1960s by Clarence Edward Smith, a.k.a. Clarence 13X, and eventually “Father Allah.” Kicked out of Elijah Muhammad’s Nation of Islam for heresy and gambling, Father Allah said it was necessary for black men and women to become “lyrical assassins.” The tongue was “the sword,” Father Allah said, and when properly sharpened, it could “take more heads with the word than any army with machine guns could ever do.”
<For many lyrical assassins, Bill Cooper’s Behold a Pale Horse became a key text. Rappers who have mentioned Cooper or his book include the Wu-Tang Clan, Big Daddy Kane, Busta Rhymes, Tupac Shakur, Talib Kweli, Nas, Rakim, Poor Righteous Teachers, Gang Starr, Goodie Mob, Suicideboys, Boogiemonsters, Wise Intelligent, Public Enemy, Miz MAF, Aslan, Lord Allah, Ras Kass, and the Lost Children of Babylon, who told their listeners to prepare to meet your fate “like William Cooper … when the storm troopers breach your gate.”
<The key to Cooper’s appeal, said Ol’ Dirty Bastard, he of blessed memory and court jester of the Wu-Tang Clan’s early Behold a Pale Horse adapters. “Everybody gets fucked,” ODB told me when we spoke in 2004. “William Cooper tells you who’s fucking you … when you’re someone like me, that’s valuable information.”
<It was Prodigy who helped bring Cooper’s message of widespread mind control to the larger hip-hop audience. He did it in a single verse, in the 1995 video for the remix of LL Cool J’s “I Shot Ya.” Filmed in dramatic black and white, the rapper stands in an alley and lets out the 411 of the perpetually harassed.
<“The Illuminati wants my mind, soul, and my body,” Prodigy rapped. “Secret societies trying to keep their eye on me.” As many hip-hop listeners attest, this was the first time they’d ever heard of the Illuminati, the malign presence allegedly behind so much of what was wrong with the world. After Jay-Z picked up the phrase in his 1996 album Reasonable Doubt, the meme predictably blew up. But, as Prodigy told me, the first place he saw the word Illuminati was in Behold a Pale Horse.
>If Prodigy began the first generation of Cooper-influenced rappers, Andrew Kissel, a Newark, New Jersey, MC who performs under the name William Cooper, was the start of the next.
>The William Cooper reference kept coming up in Google searches. The first item that jumped out was a YouTube “Cooper” made for his 2009 debut album, Beware of the Pale Horse. Entitled “American Gangsters,” the video begins with a menacing plinking of a child’s music box. Then, set against an image of barbed wire twisted into the pattern of a double helix, the voice of William Cooper arrives with an all-inclusive j’accuse. “The CIA wants my DNA wiped off the planet!
>“9/11 terrorism,” the rapper declares. “The secret government planning / Gave birth to the recession / Now the world’s in a panic / Another amber alert got the sheeple running frantic.” Shouting out an RIP to his namesake (“Rest in peace, William Cooper!”), the rapper says he and his crew are on top of the plot, “the puppet masters pulling strings for the microchip future.”
>William Cooper turned out to be an interior-lineman-size white guy in his middle 30s, wearing a long yellow T-shirt over knee-length cutoff jeans, who’d been raised in a lower-middle-class family in Bloomfield, New Jersey. Originally he rapped as part of a duo, Booth and Ozwald. “We wanted money, dead presidents; we figured that was the best way to get them,” William Cooper said. It wasn’t until 2005 that Killah Priest, an esteemed member of the Wu-Tang extended family, suggested he change his stage name to William Cooper.
>“Priest said, you should be William Cooper,” Kissel recalled. “I didn’t know what he was talking about. I never heard of William Cooper. Priest said, ‘Go to the bookstore, get a copy of Behold a Pale Horse, read it, and come back and tell me if I’m right or wrong.’ ”
>Kissel read through Behold a Pale Horse with interest. There was some crazy stuff in there, nutty ideas about UFOs, but a lot of it made sense. Something wasn’t right in the country, people weren’t as free as they thought they were and deserved to be.
>So Andrew Kissel told Killah Priest, yeah, okay, he’d be William Cooper. Ten years later, even his mother calls him Cooper. As for Bill Cooper, he’s called “Milton William Cooper” so no one gets mixed up. It was a lot better than naming yourself after some drug dealer like Noreaga or Rick Ross, Kissel thought.
>“He was a patriot,” Kissel said of William Cooper. “I like that, because I am a patriot too. I am a proud American. This country was supposed to have been built to question authority, to hold the people in power accountable. Not to bite your tongue.”Well I think conspiracy theories are good for the exact same reason all these liberals think it's good. It's good to make the people more militant and distrust the government, yeah, I wish it wasn't mixed in with crazy stuff, but still good I think. Maybe Marxists should take a lesson from it and then write some better literature that would reach people like this.
>>2694865The way I see it a guy who doesn't have a female partner is more likely to abstract individual women into some collective identity and blame all women for X, Y, and Z. He'd rely on manosphere gurus whose whole shtick is teaching them how to get loads of pussy or whatever.
The young men that actually go on dates I figured would have a female partner they'd be trying to please (so less likely to engage in toxic manosphere stuff) and would see them more as human beings.
>>2694867This is how you know americans are treatlers, even the artistic vanguard of their most oppressed class resorts to vulgar right wing mystical conspiracism in their liberatory "struggle" like a common libertarian farmer
>>2694867https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-strange-true-story-of-the-godfather-of-conspiracy-theories/>Yet even if the way false and toxic narratives take shape and spread may be changing, they all owe something to the forefather of modern conspiracy theorists, William Milton Cooper. Among other things, he was the author of Behold a Pale Horse, a strange book that was considered required reading when I first went inside the belly of the beast—a.k.a. federal prison—to serve a 25-year sentence for an LSD conviction in 1993.
>In his own forthcoming book, Pale Horse Rider: William Cooper, the Rise of Conspiracy, and the Fall of Trust in America, Mark Jacobson—who penned the New York magazine article on Harlem druglord Frank Lucas that was turned into Denzel Washington’s American Gangster—explores the life of Cooper and his legacy in American culture. Cooper espoused all kinds of conspiracy theories involving JFK’s assassination, the idea that AIDS was a government creation, and that the Illuminati actually help the US government deal with aliens. In prison, Cooper was viewed as a hero who clued in the oppressed and gave them the 4-1-1. He was ultimately killed in a shootout with cops—he shot a sheriff’s deputy in the head—in Apache County, Arizona, shortly after September 11.
>VICE caught up with Jacobson to talk about why Cooper’s book is so popular in the subcultures of prison and hip-hop, whether Cooper’s radio show set the stage for modern hucksters like Alex Jones, and how much of our unhinged discourse can really be attributed to one man.
>VICE: What drew you to William Cooper?<Mark Jacobson: I’m always interested in people that nobody knows who they are, for the most part. In prison, people know who William Cooper is and in Harlem they know, but most people have no idea. People like that are always interesting to me. I first found out about him completely by chance. A friend of mine was dying and I was at the hospital. His son told me, “There’s something I got to show you.”
<I thought it was about his father. It turns out he’d found this video tape and it’s William Cooper talking about the Kennedy assassination and how the driver shot Kennedy. I’m looking at it and… if you smoke enough blunts you can see anything. I just always remembered that weird experience. And then one day I’m walking down the street in my neighborhood and I see ODB, Ol’ Dirty Bastard, the guy from the Wu-Tang Clan. His mother lives in my neighborhood. It was early on in the Wu-Tang Clan career, right after 36 Chambers.
<I see he’s reading this book by William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse. I said, “Hey, man,” and he didn’t even look up. But when those kind of things happen, if you’re the kind of journalist I am, they just stick in your head. I don’t really go out and cover stuff, I just think about things and see what can happen. Around 2013, I got this feeling that William Cooper is important. I began to research him and it turned out that the story, as opposed to getting less interesting, got more interesting. Then Trump and all this other stuff happened [and it] became [very] timely.
> After researching and writing the book, it seemed like you decided he was obviously espousing a lot of crazy, false, and dangerous, damaging, stuff, but also, somehow, was more than mere peddler of conspiracy theories. How so?
<He was actually legitimately searching for the meaning of some things.
<Everybody’s talking about the word freedom. [But] what exactly does that mean? What does it mean to be free? He was somebody who was obsessed with this idea, but he didn’t feel free. He felt imprisoned even when he wasn’t in jail, which is, I think, the reason why he got so popular among prisoners. He had a real sense of being in prison—this idea that people are watching you and trying to keep you from getting to be a free person.
<Most people would call this paranoia in the clinical sense, but it was a global paranoia [and] most people feel it. You feel it most extremely when you’re in a situation where you actually are confined. Cooper was looking for the reasons why he felt confined even though he was living in America, supposedly the bastion of freedom. This became a search for him. I’m not trying to set him up as somebody who was an honest speaker, because he cut a lot of corners and said a lot of stuff that wasn’t true.
<He sense [was] “freedom is the most important thing I’m seeking, [so] why don’t I feel free?” That was the thing that he really was concentrating on. I think that all this stuff with the Illuminati and the flying saucers and all this kind of stuff was his different reasons for why he wasn’t free, and why he was being kept from actually being a free human being. If he was just a huckster and full of shit all the time and trying to put things over on people, I wouldn’t have been interested enough to go through the whole thing.
> I read Cooper’s book in prison and it’s not what you’d call a page-turner or anything. Why do you think the book is so big in prison and hip-hop?
<Those guys reading the book in prison are really the beginning of the modern conspiracy thing. That kind of thing like, “They’re out to get me. They’re watching me. They’re fucking with me. Everybody’s looking through all my phone calls.” Nobody in the world doesn’t think that their information is being stripped [nowadays.] There is this kind of sense that, “I’m getting screwed and there’s people out to get me, who are they?” And people don’t like to say, “Well, it’s really me. It’s really my fuck up.” People don’t like to think about that. They want to blame it on somebody else.
<Not everybody, but a lot of people do. And I think if you’re, say, a black man in America, you have every reason to be paranoid, right? You have every reason to be paranoid, because they are out to get you. When they started reading that first chapter, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars—and then there’s another one called The Secret Government—Cooper was looking for some reason why people were being oppressed and why he felt like a prisoner even though he was trying to do his own thing and the rappers [and prisoners] picked up on that kind of stuff. In their way, they we’re looking for the same thing that William Cooper was looking for.
<Almost ten years later [after seeing ODB with the book], I actually interviewed him just about a couple months before he died. I went and talked to him, because he was supposedly finishing his record he never finished. I reminded him of this time that I saw him reading this book, and he said, “Oh, yeah. William Cooper, that’s right.” I said, “Well, what is it about William Cooper?” He said, “Well, everybody in this world is getting fucked. What William Cooper does is tell you who’s fucking you. When you’re somebody like me, that’s a really significant thing.”
<Prodigy [from Mobb Deep] read Behold a Pale Horse [too]. He did a guest spot on a LL Cool J video called “I Shot Ya.” He comes out and says, “The Illuminati wants my mind, soul, and my body,” and, “The secret society keep their eye on me.” This is all the shit that he learned in the William Cooper book. I interviewed him before he died and he said the first time he ever saw the world Illuminati was in Behold a Pale Horse. In 1996, Jay-Z picked it up, and quotes Prodigy’s line. But once Jay-Z is saying it, you might as well have it on the radio 24 hours a day, right? You see how this stuff just travels through the culture.
>On the darker side of our culture, though, do you think it’s fair to argue Cooper’s radio show The Hour of the Time set the stage for Alex Jones?
<Alex Jones was growing up in Texas listening to William Cooper on the radio. A lot of people just know the book, they don’t know the radio show. When he was on, it was hard to beat him. He really had great delivery, his voice was good, and sometimes if he had a couple of drinks he could be fantastic. It’s spellbinding. Really good. When Alex Jones first got his show, he would have William Cooper on every so often, and Cooper’s a total paranoid. He’s against anybody that has a radio show, it doesn’t make a difference if it’s good or bad. <He didn’t like Alex Jones.
<There’s a long list of his programs on The Hour of the Time website, and [in one] called “Alex Jones, Liar,” he just goes off on Alex Jones. That’s 17 years ago, he’s calling Alex Jones a liar. When he knows that he’s Alex Jones’s hero. Yeah, [Jones] got a lot of his stuff from him, but I don’t think [Jones] really followed through on William Cooper’s ethic, so to speak. If you look through his programs every once in a while, you can see he trashes William Cooper sometimes. [But it’s] pretty clear that he actually admires William Cooper.
>Is it fair to say Cooper also facilitated Trump’s rise?
<Trump is a product of a narrative that comes out of both conspiracy and religious feelings. The idea that Hillary Clinton is part of the Illuminati, as Bill Cooper always claimed, might be cracked, but it carries a lot of force. Conspiracy always wages war against the establishment. That is one of the best things about conspiracy, which might as well be called parapolitics. It would be hard to find someone who seemed more establishment than Hillary. So it makes sense for someone who sees the Clintons as the elite to vote against them. The crazy thing is that many people saw Trump, the billionaire, as not part of the elite. The religious reasons to vote for Trump seem more interesting to me. The idea that he is some chosen person whom God has taken from the life of real-estate huckster and philanderer is in keeping with notion of the born-again sinner who is given another chance through the grace of Jesus. It makes no sense to secular people, but it is compelling to believers. What is left to decide is whether this kind of religious thinking falls under the same tent as conspiracy. France said they'll prosecute Frenchmen found in the Epstein files. Watch and learn, Burgers.
>>2694867>behold a pale horseHIV isn't necessarily man made. it probably came from animals, but I could see it definitely being deliberately spread to politically dissident groups by government forces (be it CIA, FBI, whatever)
>>2694877Propaganda and lies worknbest when sprinkled with kernels of truth
>>2694877The South African government literally didn’t allow condoms into townships, if that’s not deliberate I don’t know what is
i feel like the next couple of generations is going to be even more schizo because of AI shit. Pretty much any historical photograph we saw growing up, be it pictures of slaves in a cotton field, or corpses being pushed into ditches in the holocaust, or various historical figures giving a speech is now going to be called deepfakes. We're just going to become more and more of a post-truth country with no consensus about anything, not even whether reality itself is real, or just a simulation, or an illusory emanation of God or Satan.
>>2694868the mistake you are making is in assuming that because someone sees another as a human, they also view them as a social equal. the questions were not about what greivances women should or should not be held to account for. the questions are implicitly asking if women should be treated as social lessers.
>>2694884This is a good thing, it means consensus manufacturing is impossible
>>2694884Half the population is gonna be Tartaria/Agartha/Giants schizos
>>2694882https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/south-african-intelligence-officers-spread-aids-black-communitiesEx-mercenary claims South African group tried to spread Aids>A South Africa-based mercenary group has been accused by one of its former members of trying to intentionally spread Aids in southern Africa in the 1980s and 1990s.
>The claims are made by Alexander Jones in a documentary that premieres this weekend at the Sundance film festival. He says he spent years as an intelligence officer with the South African Institute for Maritime Research (SAIMR), three decades ago, when it was masterminding coups and other violence across Africa.
>The film also explores the unexplained murder of a young SAIMR recruit in 1990, whose family believe was killed because of her work on an Aids-related project run by the group in South Africa and Mozambique.
>And it also claims the group’s then leader had a racist, apocalyptic obsession with HIV/Aids. Keith Maxwell wrote about a plague he hoped would decimate black populations, cement white rule, and bring back conservative religious mores, according to papers collected by the film-makers.
>Maxwell had no medical qualifications but ran clinics in poor, mostly black areas around Johannesburg while claiming to be a doctor. That gave him the opportunity for sinister experimentation, Jones says in the film, Cold Case Hammarskjöld. The film-makers were investigating SAIMR because it claimed responsibility for the mysterious 1961 plane crash that killed Dag Hammarskjöld, then UN secretary general.
<“What easier way to get a guinea pig than [when] you live in an apartheid system?” Jones says in the film. “Black people have got no rights, they need medical treatment. There’s a white ‘philanthropist’ coming in and saying, ‘You know, I’ll open up these clinics and I’ll treat you.’ And meantime [he is] actually the wolf in sheep’s clothing.”
>A sign advertising “Dokotela [doctor] Maxwell” still hangs from the side of an office in Putfontein where locals remember a respected man with a virtual monopoly on the area’s healthcare. He offered strange treatments. including putting patients through “tubes”, which he said allowed him to see inside their bodies. He also gave “false injections”, said Ibrahim Karolia, who ran a shop across the road.
>Any interest Maxwell showed in Aids in public was benevolent. Claude Newbury, an anti-abortion doctor who knew the mercenary leader, confirmed he had no medical qualifications but described a committed humanitarian. “He was against genocide and he was trying to discover a cure for HIV,” Newbury told film-makers.
>A bizarre Johannesburg Sunday Times interview with teenage SAIMR “ensign” Debbie Campbell in August 1989 has a photo of a teenager with a halo of curls, taking water pollution measurements and also talking about searching for a cure for HIV/Aids. But the wholesome image has a sinister undertone. She describes being recruited out of school at 13, and it’s hard to imagine any benign interest an international mercenary group could have in signing up prepubescent girls.
<Documents collected by the film-makers appear to show that Maxwell’s private views were very different from his public persona. The papers suggest a ghoulish delight in the advent of an epidemic. In one he writes: “[South Africa] may well have one man, one vote with a white majority by the year 2000. Religion in its conservative, traditional form will return. Abortion on demand, abuse of drugs, and the other excesses of the 1960s, 70s and 80s will have no place in the post-Aids world.”
>The papers read like the fever dream of a man who aspired to be South Africa’s Josef Mengele. There are detailed, if sometimes garbled, accounts of how he thought the HIV virus could be isolated, propagated and used to target black Africans.
<What is less clear is whether he had the expertise or funds to implement his nightmarish visions. Jones, the former SAIMR member, claims he did. “We were involved in Mozambique, spreading the Aids virus through medical conditions,” he says.
>At least one other SAIMR member had apparently raised concerns about the group’s medical programmes. Dagmar Feil was a marine biologist who was recruited by her boyfriend. In 1990 she was murdered outside her home in Johannesburg; her relatives believe the killing was linked to her work on SAIMR’s Aids programme.
>“My sister came to me, and she said she needed to confide in me,” her brother Karl Feil told the film-makers. “She sat with me and said she thinks they are going to kill her.” She said that three or four others in her team had already been murdered, but when asked what team, Dagmar said “she couldn’t tell me”.
<“The topic of Aids research came up several times, quite loosely in conversations, I never put two and two together,” Feil says in the film. Instead Dagmar asked Karl to go with her to church, so she could “make right with God”. Weeks later she was dead.
<Jones says he knew Dagmar Feil and claims her death came after a trip to Mozambique, which he describes as a base for the group’s medical experimentation. “She was recruited to do medical research,” he says. “She progressed and she became part of the inner circle for operations. She went to Mozambique to fulfil her obligations and … word got out that she was going to testify.”
>Feil’s family spent years trying to find out what happened to her, but police showed little interest, her brother says. During that time, the family say another SAIMR member gave them papers believed to be Maxwell’s memoir and his account of SAIMR. They later shared these with the film-makers.
>Dagmar Feil’s mother also went to South Africa’s truth and reconciliation commission several times, Karl Feil said. She asked it to investigate her daughter’s killing as part of a wider conspiracy, but was turned away.
<Although the commission first revealed the existence of SAIMR to the world, the team was also overworked and had to deal with false confessions, and what the family saw as their best hope of uncovering the truth slipped away. “They would not listen to her,” Karl Feil says. “They would not debate this issue at all.” >>2694831There's literally thousands of takedowns of Guns, Germs, and Steel. Why would you pick this guy of all people for that?
>>2694884>>2694893Isn't there some lady that got somewhat infamous online for claiming Dinosaur bones were really Dragons and that healthcare companies murdered all the Dragons because their blood cures every disease?
>>2694894https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/20/south-africa-weird-sinister-apartheid-mercenary-saimr-keith-maxwellCoups and murder: the sinister world of apartheid’s secret mercenaries
>Keith Maxwell, the self-declared “commodore” of the South African Institute for Maritime Research (SAIMR), liked to dress up on special occasions in the garish costume of a 18th-century admiral, with a three-cornered hat, brass buttons and a cutlass. Ordinary members of his organisation were expected to show up in crisp naval whites.
>Gathered together in upmarket restaurants, or the quiet of the Wemmer Pan naval base in south-central Johannesburg, they had the air of eccentric history buffs. Maxwell talked about the group’s roots in a Napoleonic-era treasure-hunting syndicate, and told outsiders it was still focused on deep-sea exploration.
>But appearances were deceptive. Beneath the bizarre trappings lurked a powerful mercenary outfit that members claim was entwined with the apartheid state and offered soldiers for hire across the continent.
<“It was clandestine operations. We were involved in coups, taking over countries for other leaders,” said Alexander Jones, who has detailed his years as an intelligence officer with the group. SAIMR’s leaders described themselves as “anti-communist” to him at the time but the group was underpinned by racism, he said. “We were trying to retain the white supremacy on the African continent.”
>And among its leaders’ most dramatic claims was that it was behind the mysterious 1961 plane crash that killed UN secretary general Dag Hammarskjöld and 15 other people.
>Last week the Observer revealed evidence linking an RAF veteran, Jan van Risseghem, to the tragedy. Now new documents and eyewitness accounts shed light on the alleged role of SAIMR, which claimed responsibility for the crash in secret papers and its own recruitment drives.
>It is not clear if Van Risseghem, who told a friend he had shot down Hammarskjöld’s plane without knowing who was on board, had any ties to the group. Any command could have come through an intermediary.
>But Jones was clear that SAIMR liked to claim ultimate responsibility for killing the UN chief. Photos of the crash site and wreckage, with purported members of the group standing nearby, featured in a presentation made to potential members when he joined three decades ago, he said.
<“They didn’t tell us at that point in time that it was Hammarskjöld; they just said that they had taken out a very high-profile political opponent,” Jones told filmmakers investigating the crash.
>Maxwell himself apparently also claimed SAIMR had brought down the plane, in a handwritten memoir about the group that ended up with the family of an SAIMR veteran.
>Hammarskjöld’s death came amid a post-colonial race for resources in Africa. A champion of decolonisation, he made powerful enemies with his support for newly independent states and opposition to white minority rule.
>On his final flight, he was heading for a secret meeting to try to broker peace in recently independent Congo. The country was on the brink of collapse after its Katanga province – key to national wealth because it held most of the country’s rich mineral deposits – declared independence. Western mining interests backed the rebels.
>Jones claims he answered a SAIMR advertisement in a South African newspaper three decades ago and served for several years. He decided to speak out because he felt he needed closure and because young South Africans should know the truth.
<“Anybody that resisted any white form of manipulation on the African continent, SAIMR was prepared to go and quell those for a price,” Jones said. “And that is one thing that Dag Hammarskjöld was totally against. He wanted every country for the people of that country. He was killed because he was going to change the way that Africa dealt with the rest of the world financially, and he was a threat.”
>Jones was tracked down by the makers of a new documentary, Cold Case Hammarskjöld, who were looking into SAIMR because of documents handed to South Africa’s truth and reconciliation commission by the country’s National Intelligence Agency two decades ago.
>Unveiled at a press conference by the commission chair, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, they purported to detail how SAIMR had masterminded the crash in coordination with UK and US intelligence services. Investigators were never able to examine the papers, though, because soon after they were returned to the archives, and the South African authorities have been unable or unwilling to retrieve the originals. The United Nations, which has reopened its investigation into Hammarskjöld’s death, has criticised South Africa for its lack of cooperation in finding the file.
>Investigators have been working from poor quality photocopies of just eight documents, and for years there were questions about whether SAIMR even existed. In the UK, the Foreign Office suggested the papers were hoaxes planted by Soviet agents in a disinformation campaign, and added that British spies “do not go around bumping people off”.
>But South Africa was a known recruiting ground for mercenaries who fought in coups and conflicts across much of Africa over the second half of the last century, from Congo and Sierra Leone to Angola and Mozambique.>And over the years growing evidence of SAIMR as a real, and dangerous, entity has emerged.….
>South Africa’s former head of military intelligence, Tienie Groenewald, appears in some of Maxwell’s papers. In an interview recorded before his death in 2015, he claimed he had never heard of SAIMR but remembered meeting the “commodore”.
>He described Maxwell as an intelligence operative with suspected links to foreign spies, who wanted to meet him in the dying days of apartheid to discuss an armed uprising to block the advent of democratic rule. Maxwell offered both men and arms, claiming “he had resources, to use violence, and to supply weapons, and so on and so forth”.
<Although Groenewald said he declined the offer, he described Maxwell as the credible leader of a mercenary group. “He appeared to be someone who was in authority … He obviously had a background in intelligence,” he told the filmmakers. “I couldn’t prove it but I was convinced that he was financed and directed by MI6.”
<Groenewald, who had served as air attache at the South African embassy in London, added: “After spending three and a half years in Britain, you get to know some people involved in the intelligence field. And certain of the names which are mentioned in our discussions were familiar to him.”
>Maxwell died in 2006, but a lurid account of his life and SAIMR ended up with relatives of an ex-recruit, who shared them with the filmmakers. The handwriting matches other documents written by Maxwell and its authenticity has been attested to by Jones. Maxwell had already handed a few dozen pages of a memoir to Potgieter around 1990, and they were repeated in the new cache, but it also included over 100 pages of new material.
>Some sections on SAIMR included episodes that he may not have personally witnessed – by his own account he did not join the group until 1964 – and there are some names and details are altered. Still, the episodes are described vividly, from the perspective of an eyewitness.
<And one details the alleged plot to bring down Hammarskjöld – an account which matches the plan laid out in the papers revealed by Tutu. “This operation has to be arranged as an accident or a heart attack,” the commodore of the time tells his team. “Without any pathologist throwing a spanner in the works and making Dag and his colleagues into martyrs.” He asks for three workable plans to take out the UN chief.
>Maxwell does not say what these were, but details a technician loading a bomb into the wheel well of Hammarskjöld’s plane in the Congolese capital Léopoldville (now Kinshasa) with a beating heart, and his frustration at watching it take off without the bomb exploding.
>The memoir switches back to SAIMR’s planners, sitting round a table later that evening, disappointed by the failure of the bomb. But according to the truth and reconciliation commission’s papers, SAIMR then dispatched an “eagle” to target Hammarskjöld.
>In Maxwell’s account, just as the commodore tells them to get some rest, there is a knock at the door. “A lieutenant entered, saluted and handed a slip of paper to the commodore. ‘What’s this? Oh my God, it worked’.”https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155876Mystery still surrounds death of revered UN chief Hammarskjöld, 63 years after tragic plane crash
>Mr. Hammarskjöld served as Secretary-General from April 1953 until his death aged 56, when the chartered Douglas DC6 aircraft he was travelling in with others, registered as SE-BDY, crashed shortly after midnight on 17-18 September 1961, near Ndola, then in Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia).
>He was en route to negotiate a ceasefire between UN peacekeepers and separatists from the breakaway Congolese region of Katanga, and possibly even a peace agreement encompassing the whole of newly independent Congo.
>Fourteen of the 15 passengers died on impact, and the sole survivor succumbed to their injuries a few days later.
>An initial inquiry by Rhodesian authorities reportedly attributed the crash to pilot error but the finding was disputed.
>Eyewitness accounts suggested several scenarios, that “more than one aircraft” – possibly a jet – was observed in the air, “SE-BDY was on fire before it crashed”, and/or “SE-BDY was fired upon or otherwise actively engaged” by another aircraft. >>2694899I don't get those conspiracy,like so what ? they are fucking dead in the end,no reason to care about it
it's like flat earth,what's going to change fundamentally for you as a person if it's true ?
>>2694868Your mistake is thinking women reward men for respecting them, or that we live in some society where treating people with kindness gets you laid instead of just material conditions and status getting you laid. Women don't fuck the first guy that says "I respect women" just like you don't fuck the first girl that says "Communism, fuck yeah!"….wait a sec actually that doesn't work because males work exactly like that. Yeah idk what's wrong with f*males they love abusechads I guess.
you stupid motherfuckers are here tlking about some dumb shit meanwhiel deborah guthrie is out there still kidnapped . why haven't u found her?
>>2694914Trump and the Clintons kidnapped her to distract from the Epstein files.
>>2694914as a matter of fact, I
did not interrupt my goonin sesh
>>2694909What we’re seeing is a lot of women are being absurd and coerced by material conditions. Or just straight up being raped and the legal system doing fuck all or actively trying to cover it up. The gender wars are also a psyop, I’m a guy that’s turned down sex before. One was a girl that was harassing me at work. Would say mean ass shit to me and then grab my ass, plop her tits on me. Girls can be creeps too, I mean look at all the women involved in the Epstein cover up? Trump has an endless stable of blond bitches like bondi helping to cover this all up.
>>2694817I know someone on the inside and they say ice filled the jail. So ice is not unique and just amerikan due process despite what liberal say. It must be questioned why amerikan differentiate ice from other pig. Like how liberal protest ice but hug pig
>>2694884Honestly I don't see how this is going to be so different from the pre-photography era.
>>2694867>>2694877>“William Cooper wrote what everyone kind of knew,” Prodigy said. For many in the black community, it was common knowledge that the CIA was bringing dope into the ghetto to further enslave the people. What was the big surprise that, as Cooper claimed, AIDS had been whipped up in a test tube at Fort Detrick (home to MKUltra) as a plan to wipe out Africa? The fact that Cooper was a former naval intelligence officer, a big fat white guy who lived in Arizona, only made it all the more believable.Hmm so they say that the Soviets are the ones who invented the story that AIDS was created at Fort Detrick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Denver>Operation Denver[3][4][5] (sometimes referred to as "Operation INFEKTION" from German: INFEKTION) was an active measure disinformation campaign run by the KGB in the 1980s to plant the idea that the United States had invented HIV/AIDS[6][7] as part of a biological weapons research project at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Historian Thomas Boghardt popularized the codename "INFEKTION" based on the claims of former East German Ministry for State Security (Stasi) officer Günter Bohnsack [de], who claimed that the Stasi codename for the campaign was either "INFEKTION" or perhaps also "VORWÄRTS II" ("FORWARD II").[6] However, historians Christopher Nehring and Douglas Selvage found in the former Stasi and Bulgarian State Security archives materials that prove the actual Stasi codename for the AIDS disinformation campaign was Operation Denver.[8][9] The operation involved "an extraordinary amount of effort – funding radio programs, courting journalists, distributing would-be scientific studies", and even became the subject of a report by Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News.[10]
>The Soviet Union used the campaign to undermine the United States' credibility, foster anti-Americanism, diplomatically isolate the U.S. abroad, and create tensions between host countries and the U.S. over the presence of American military bases, which were often portrayed as the cause of AIDS outbreaks in local populations.[11]
>The groundwork appeared in the pro-Soviet Indian newspaper Patriot, which, according to a KGB defector named Ilya Dzerkvelov, was set up by the KGB in 1962 with the sole purpose of publishing disinformation.[11] An anonymous letter was sent to the editor in July 1983 from a "well-known American scientist and anthropologist" who claimed that AIDS was manufactured at Fort Detrick by genetic engineers. The "scientist" claimed that "that deadly mysterious disease was believed to be the results of the Pentagon's experiments to develop new and dangerous biological weapons", and implicated Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) scientists sent to Africa and Latin America to find dangerous viruses alien to Asia and Europe. These results were purportedly analyzed in Atlanta and Fort Detrick and thus the "most likely course of events" leading to the development of AIDS. The letter claimed that The Pentagon was continuing such experiments in neighboring Pakistan and as a result, the AIDS virus was threatening to spread to India. The title of the article, "AIDS may invade India", suggested that the immediate goal of the KGB's disinformation was to exacerbate tensions between the U.S., India, and Pakistan.[11][12]
> Two years later, the KGB apparently decided to make use of its earlier disinformation to launch an international campaign to discredit the U.S. They wrote in a telegram to their allied secret service in Bulgaria, the Bulgarian Committee for State Security (KDS) on September 7, 1985:
< We are conducting a series of [active] measures in connection with the appearance in recent years in the USA of a new and dangerous disease, "Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome – AIDS"…, and its subsequent, large-scale spread to other countries, including those in Western Europe. The goal of these measures is to create a favorable opinion for us abroad that this disease is the result of secret experiments with a new type of biological weapon by the secret services of the USA and the Pentagon that spun out of control.[8][13]
>The telegram, which referred indirectly back to the Patriot article ("facts … in the press of the developing countries, in particular India"), provided guidance to Bulgarian State Security regarding how to couch their AIDS disinformation:
< Facts have already been cited in the press of the developing countries, in particular India, that testify to the involvement of the special services of the United States and the Pentagon in the appearance and rapid spread of the AIDS disease in the United States, as well as other countries. Judging by these reports, along with the interest shown by the U.S. military in the symptoms of AIDS and the rate and geography of its spread, the most likely assumption is that this most dangerous disease is the result of yet another Pentagon experiment with a new type of biological weapon. This is confirmed by the fact that the disease affected initially only certain groups of people: homosexuals, drug addicts, immigrants from Latin America.[13]
>A month later, the Soviet newspaper Literaturnaya Gazeta, also a known outlet for KGB disinformation,[14] published an article from Valentin Zapevalov entitled, "Panic in the West, or what is hiding behind the sensation surrounding AIDS". It cited the (dis)information contained in the Patriot article,[15] but also gave further details regarding the alleged development of the AIDS virus. Employees of the CDC had allegedly assisted the Pentagon by traveling to Zaire, Nigeria and Latin America to collect samples of the "most pathogenic viruses" that could not be found in Europe or Asia. These samples were then combined to develop the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) that causes AIDS. The disinformation campaign insisted the Pentagon then carried out isolated experiments in Haiti and within the U.S. itself on marginalized groups in U.S. society: drug addicts, homosexuals, and the homeless.[16] Zapevalov's article was subsequently reprinted in Kuwait, Bahrain, Finland, Sweden, Peru, and other countries.[17] It followed very closely the guidelines that the KGB had already sent to its Bulgarian "comrades" a month before.[13]
> Determining the exact role of the Stasi in the AIDS disinformation campaign has been difficult, given that around 90% of the records of its foreign intelligence division, the Main Directorate for Reconnaissance (HVA) were destroyed[18] or disappeared[19] in 1989–90. Based on materials in the Bulgarian secret police archives, the card files of the HVA, and documents from or relating to the HVA scattered among the records of other divisions of the Stasi, it has been possible to reconstruct some aspects of the Stasi's involvement in the disinformation campaign. At the beginning of September 1986, the tenth division of the HVA (HVA/X), responsible for organizing and coordinating the HVA's campaigns of active measures, wrote the following in a draft plan for cooperation with Bulgarian State Security:
< Operation "DENVER". With the goal of exposing the dangers to mankind arising from the research, production, and use of biological weapons, and also in order to strengthen anti-American sentiments in the world and to spark domestic political controversies in the USA, the GDR [German Democratic Republic] side will deliver a scientific study and other materials that prove that AIDS originated in the USA, not in Africa, and that AIDS is a product of the USA’s bioweapons research.[8][20]
> The KGB confirmed that the East German HVA was playing a central role on various occasions, including in a telegram to the Bulgarians in 1987:
<The AIDS issue
<A complex of [active] measures regarding this issue has been carried out since 1985 in cooperation with the [East] German and to some extent the Czech colleagues. In the initial stage, the task was resolved of spreading in the mass media the version regarding the artificial origin of the AIDS virus and the Pentagon’s involvement in by means of the military-biological laboratory at Fort Detrick.
<As a result of our joint efforts, it was possible to widely disseminate this version.
>As noted above, the Stasi's HVA/X had written that it would send its Bulgarian "comrades" a "scientific study" allegedly "proving" that "AIDS is a product of the USA's bioweapons research".[8][20] From the context of the discussions between officers of the HVA/X and their Bulgarian counterparts in mid-September 1986, it was clear which study was meant: "AIDS: Its Nature and Origin" by Soviet-East German biologist Jakob Segal and his wife, Lilli Segal. The study had been distributed at the summit meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement in August–September 1986 in a brochure entitled, "AIDS: USA home-made evil, NOT out of AFRICA".[8] The report was quoted heavily by Soviet propagandists, and the Segals were often said to be French researchers to hide their connections to communism. Although both Segals, given the double danger to them as Jews and members of the Communist Party of Germany, had fled into exile in France in 1933, both had attained Soviet citizenship in 1940 on the basis of Jakob's birth in then Soviet-annexed Lithuania, and in 1953, they had returned to Germany—specifically, to communist East Berlin.[22]
>In his report, Segal postulated that the AIDS virus was synthesized by combining parts of two distantly related retroviruses: VISNA and HTLV-1.[11] An excerpt of the Segal Report reads as follows:
< It is very easy using genetic technologies to unite two parts of completely independent viruses… but who would be interested in doing this? The military, of course… In 1977 a special top security lab… was set up…at the Pentagon's central biological laboratory. One year after that… the first cases of AIDS occurred in the US, in New York City. How it occurred precisely at this moment and how the virus managed to get out of the secret, hush-hush laboratory is quite easy to understand. Everyone knows that prisoners are used for military experiments in the U.S. They are promised their freedom if they come out of the experiment alive.[11]
>he exact relationship of both Segals to the KGB, Stasi, or both at this time—to the extent that it existed—remains unclear. Both publicly denied any involvement of the KGB or Stasi in their work. The Deputy Director of HVA/X, Wolfgang Mutz, hinted that the HVA had played a role in the publication—or actually, the photocopying—and distribution of the Harare brochure in talks with Bulgarian State Security in September 1986.[8][23] He also suggested that the "operational division" of the HVA with which HVA/X had been cooperating in the disinformation campaign had somehow "attracted" Segal to his research.[24]
>This "operational division" was in fact an office in the Sector for Science and Technology (Sektor Wissenschaft und Technik, SWT) of the HVA, responsible for intelligence-gathering on AIDS and genetic engineering (HVA/SWT/XIII/5). This office had registered a "security dossier" (Sicherungsvorgang, SVG) "Wind" on September 6, 1985, regarding the protection of East German scientists in the areas of AIDS research, genetic engineering and biotechnology from outside "attacks" in the form of espionage or manipulation by foreign agents. This office in HVA/SWT apparently registered both Segals in this dossier as "contact persons" under the codename "Diagnosis"; whenever other divisions of the Stasi inquired about the Segals, they were directed to this office. HVA/SWT—or "the security", as Jakob Segal called them—gave him at least one piece of advice regarding his study before its printing and distribution. Whether Segal listened to this advice remains unclear. Still, given their official designation as "contact persons", they need not have known, at least officially, that they were dealing with the Stasi, although Jakob Segal likely knew or could have guessed, given his past dealings with both the Stasi and the KGB. It is quite possible that HVA/SWT was already coordinating with the KGB regarding Segal's research—even without his knowledge—in the second half of 1985, at the time that "Wind" was registered.[25] Nevertheless, none of the Stasi officers involved with "Wind" or Operation "DENVER" ever claimed that the HVA had played a role in drafting Segal's study. It was clearly his own work, in cooperation with his wife Lilli, although he knew and expected that it would be used for "propaganda".[26]
> Whatever exact relationship the Segals may or may not have had to the Soviet or East German security services, the KGB praised Segal's work in its 1987 telegram to Bulgarian State Security. His articles and brochures, the KGB wrote, had attained "great renown". This was especially the case in African countries, where governments and researchers were rejecting as racist assertions by U.S. researchers that AIDS had originated naturally in Africa, where it had spread from monkeys to humans.[21] The KGB wrote the Bulgarians:
< We are currently resolving the task of bringing the [active] measures down to a more practical level, and in particular, to attain specific political results by exploiting the "laboratory version" for AM [active measures] on other issues. So, efforts are being made to intensify anti-base sentiments in countries where American forces are deployed by using slogans suggesting that U.S. soldiers are the most dangerous carriers of the virus. By demonstrating the defeat of the "African version" [of AIDS' origins], we can whip up anti-American sentiments throughout the states of the continent.[21]
>The AIDS story exploded across the world, and was repeated by Soviet newspapers, magazines, wire services, radio broadcasts, and television. It appeared 40 times in Soviet media in 1987 alone. It received coverage in over 80 countries in more than 30 languages,[11] primarily in leftist and communist media publications, and was found in countries as widespread as Bolivia, Grenada, Pakistan, New Zealand, Nigeria, and Malta. A few versions made their way into non-communist press in Indonesia and the Philippines.[11]
>Dissemination was usually along a recognized pattern: propaganda and disinformation would first appear in a country outside of the USSR and only then be picked up by a Soviet news agency, which attributed it to others' investigative journalism. That the story came from a foreign source (not widely known to be Soviet controlled or influenced) added credibility to the allegations, especially in impoverished and less educated countries which generally could not afford access to Western news satellite feeds. To aid in media placement, Soviet propaganda was provided free of charge, and many stories came with cash benefits.[11] This was particularly the case in India and Ghana, where the Soviet Union maintained a large propaganda and disinformation apparatus for covert media placement.[11] So do you think the Soviets really had info that the US engineered AIDS? Were they just confused? Or were they purposefully spreading disinformation about the US government? If so, is spreading disinformation about the US government based? Was Milton Bradley Cooper a KGB asset? Should we be spreading more disingo that makes the world distrust the US government?
>>2694934He should pick heroin back up, it would be good for him
>>2694884I predict AI will just make people log off and only rely on real life experiences. This is bad for the bourgeois actually.
>>2694936people had that shit during the 70s and 80s and it didn’t lead anywhere
Leftypol should study this psy-op website:
https://www.psywarrior.com/psyhist.htmlPay attention to the 3 colors of psy-op:
>Now please note that I stated above that Psychological Operations as conducted by the US Military is the dissemination of "truthful" information, not propaganda which is categorized as "white, gray, or black". Now what is the difference between PSYOP and propaganda? A memorandum prepared by the Chief of Army Field Forces at Fort Monroe, Virginia in September of 1953 briefly explained the difference between "gray" propaganda, messages broadcast with the goal of "avoiding identification," and "black" propaganda, which involves "attribution to a source other than the true one."
>A more recent set of definitions, reportedly used by former CIA chief William Colby and cited in at least one commercial publication, calls truthfully-attributed and non- attributed messages "white" propaganda, whereas messages falsely attributed to a third party are considered "gray." The term "black propaganda" is reserved for those materials "planted by the United States but in such as way that it seems to be the product or even an internal document of the target group." In other words, "black propaganda" is nothing less than a form of intellectual and political subversion. I think black propaganda is probably undoable. We don't have forgery skills and whatever else. But gray propaganda is totally doable. Gray propaganda exists because you want to be able to spread lies about your enemy, but you don't want to get caught telling lies because then people won't trust you. But we don't have to put "This message brought to you by communists!" over all messaging. It's good to breed distrust and hatred of the US government like the Soviets were doing right? We should be supporting QAnon, election truther, Covid conspiracy(if it targets the US government) and whatever else wherever possible.
>>2694938They had third places and sex to distract them. Where are young people gonna go when
>the internet is boring and fake and gay due to AI>dating is not an option because we're all broke and women won't date anyone making less than $500k>all the drugs kill you instead of being fun>every single third place has been shut down either due to loss of interest or never recovering from COVID and even if you go it'll just be you and like 2 other peoplepeople will snap eventually. i just don't think it'll benefit the left since we're not active enough. it'll probably just be a retvrn to high crime rates and anti-state violence.
>>2694940>We should be supporting QAnon, election truther, Covid conspiracy(if it targets the US government) and whatever else wherever possible.Yeah except that nonsense points people in the wrong direction. Getting people to hate the government is pointless if they think that just electing some rightoid politician will fix it. I mean the central premise of QAnon was complete nonsense:
>The government is run by pedophile billionaires who control everything >The military (which isn't controlled by the pedo cabal for some reason) selected known pedo-associate Donald Trump to defeat the pedos >We now have to uncritically support everything Trump does and ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears because it's all some 4 quintillion dimensional chess, just keep the faith!How would any of this nonsense help communism? The Soviets agitated around real, actual problems like poverty and racism, and pointed to real, actual solutions like socialism.
>>2694934i hate how rightoids just say the most obvious things everyone knows and then pretend they thought of it first
>>2694905To be honest? I think people want a sense of whimsy and wonder and magic in the world as fucking retarded as that sounds. If all that horseshit magic is real than maybe you wont have to go to work tomorrow, you don't have to worry about things like homelessness or whatever, because you find a dragon's hoard and you strike it rich.
'Cause what's the alternative? No one believes in the American Dream anymore. If you're having financial trouble now you're kind of fucked forever. Why not just collapse into some dreamworld where you consider yourself to have hope?
Yknow I find the modern trend of "Isekai" in anime to be reflective of a deep late-capitalist depression. Its become a meme at this point but "Wow, I just got flattened by a semi-truck and now I live in some fantasy world where I don't have to worry about wages and taxes and shit!" Of course so many of these reflect literal video game tropes too, which is kind of perverse that even in imagining an escape from capitalism it just reflects Capitalist commodities. But where are we now where people are fantasizing that they'll just fucking die sooner rather than later and then they can actually live a life worth actually living? Yes-yes, I know, the whole "Religion is the opiate of the masses" thing but Japan is broadly irreligious and thanks to a lack of opiates its chosen consumer fantasy as its otherworldly paradise.
>>2694944>How would any of this nonsense help communism? The Soviets agitated around real, actual problems like poverty and racism, and pointed to real, actual solutions like socialism.I just gave an example of how they promoted AIDS conspiracy and how it weakened the US's reputation around the world:
>>2694933The Q schizos did amazing work. Bro they fucking took over the capitol building in cooperation with the current President of The United States. You don't think that sunk America's reputation somewhat globally? Also internally all these Dems who wanted to throw Trump in prison now have to kiss his ring and all that. It's fucking glorious how divided everyone is right now. That's called fucking divide and conquer. We don't want our enemies to have cohesion. Whatever animosity can be built between them is good for us.
>>2694949>Whatever animosity can be built between them is good for us.Only if we can capitalize on it, which will require raising actual class consciousness and spreading Marxist understandings of the world. That's directly in contradiction with promoting random conspiracy slop.
>>2694949Q anon was a spy-op created by the government with millions of dollars poured into creating it, marketing researchers, psychologists, who knew how to create a movement that was like catnip for boomers
theres just no comparison with the left creating anything like it.
>>2694952Well that is why there are three colors. We need White propaganda too. That's the one you pit your name on. But yeah the current left is terrible at that.
What one $7 patreon sub gets me. Can't eat hotdogs man, especially after seeing those processing factory videos that leaked on IG recently. Type of shit Upton Sinclair was writing about.
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https://www.paypal.me/zomscarhttps://cash.app/$jodiewodie>>2694962appealing to real problems still works it's just marxists are really bad at political triage and tend to just try to please everyone all of the time and as a result no one takes them seriously.
So at the basest level of grey propaganda, we want to divide and conquer or enemies. I think /leftypol/ seems to be overly ambitious always with the stupid threads on /pol/ like:
>Uhhh why aren't you a communist? Uhh don't you know it's actually capitalism that's at fault?
Like why would you try to reach those people with a straight forward message? Why would try to reach those people at all? Those people are our enemies. The best we can do with them is divide them all up into as many small pieces as possible and turn them against each other.
Just thinking specifically of /pol/: a good vector is turning the different nationalities against each other. I see this kind of division their frequently and probably a lot of it organic, but if you wanted to divide them further, pushing that kind of rhetoric and breaking whatever international right wing solidarity that exists is a good vector.
For diehard Trumpers: a good vector is trying to play up hatred of whatever figures Trump is closely working with or praising. For example playing up Thiel, Musk, Netanyahu etc. and how they're perhaps duping Trump to use to their own ends, or even actively conspiring against him or whatever. Because straight up convincing them their hero is a fraud is a longshot, but if you convince them he is the hero in a den of snakes getting taken advantage of, it at least makes them more negative on the whole Trump operation even if their feelings about Trump specifically are largely unswayed.
Unfortunately for communists, because of the Cold War and decades of propaganda around the world, White propaganda is a strategy that will probably only appeal to a small number of people. A lot of people will be like "communism?" and dismiss it out of hand. I'm obviously saying to not do White propaganda, but it's an uphill battle, and probably will only work on people who were already sympathetic in the first place, certainly not /pol/tards and diehard libs.
>>2694787trying to figure out whether this dude is joking or 100% serious by flipping a coin
>>2694943People snapping doesn’t mean communism, it means mad max warlordism, more mass shootings
>>2694970yes, exactly.
communists are too lazy to take advantage of the current social climate.
>>2694971It’s not the fault of communists that they only have a bourgeois proletariat to work with
>>2694974>a bourgeois proletariatthis is ragebait and yes i'm aware engels actually used that term to refer to the labor aristocracy
If you really want social change for the better, you have to do it in a black church, it’s the only social institution left
>>2694985It’s not ragebait, it’s the truth
>>2694974Unfortunately most communists in the West are the bourgeois proletariat.
We're in one of the best situations we've had in forever, but instead they just feel the same dread as the libs and are just praying for a return to "normalcy." They unironically wish Kamala was in office right now. They attack Trump from the same exact direction as the Dems instead of spreading the word that Trump is just an arm of the same system that the Dems are a part of. We got to let them know the Dems are a part of the oligarchy too. They(well assuming if they actually did want to win) are trying to use Trump their foil to get votes donations whatever. We should in no way be helping them do this. We should be using Trump to attack them. We should be highlighting every single issue where they stand with Trump. We should be highlighting all the groups who pay the Dems who also pay the Trumpers. We need to tie Trump around their neck.
>>2694987it's not the truth. America is lumpens, prisoners, homeless, petty bourgeoisie. Labor aristocracy is a minority. Yeah most of the unions are class collaborationist but barely anyone (like 6% of the working population) is in them.
>>2694989>you're all bourgeois proletarians>anyway here's what you need to doyou faggots always do this. accuse everyone of being enemies then immediately presume to give them commands. and then you wonder why this doesn't work.
conspiracyslop has been more effective at weakening the liberal + fascist alliance that defeated communism last century than anything the left has produced in the last 30 years
I live in Cali and just saw an ad for Tom Steyer running for governor trying to position himself as anti-Trump even though he's a major investor in ICE private prisons. When the fuck are people gonna tell these billionaires to fuck off?
>>2694995Having a 401k makes you bourgeois
>>2694996Umm it's called uyghing, chuddy
>>2695002>defeated fascismkek it just got integrated, stop repeating bourgeois ideology
>>2695002Liberalism is the end of history anon
It is always inevitable
>>2694997>conspiracyslop has been more effective at weakening depending on what you mean by "conspiracy slop" this could mean one of many things, but regardless of what you mean "conspiracy slop" hasn't weakened anything on its own. "slop" of any kind is just slop. nobody gets up and attacks the government just because they consumed slop. they consume slop because the slop speaks to their already existing anger.
>>2695005my main point is that the CPSU defeated itself by going revisionist. the liberals didn't need to drop a single bomb on moscow.
>>2695008I said communism in general, not just the USSR, liberals collaborated with fascists around to world to exterminate communists during the cold war, but liberals only remember the one time they sided with socialists lol
>>2694996Your class position makes you an enemy
Your human reasoning abilities and apparent superficial sympathy towards socialism makes you open for the possibility of persuading you to shed the rest of hour liberalism and become a class traitor like engels
>>2695010>Your class position makes you an enemyYou don't know my class position you annoying cunt
>>2695010here. let me try your same strategy. you're a billionare because i said so, even though i don't know anything about you. you need to fall on a bayonet for me now. if you don't do this, you are my enemy.
>>2695011>And there nevertheless was a communist/liberal alliance to defeat fascismyeah it was like one time compared to multiple collaborations across decades between liberals and fascists to kill communists after that
>To deny this seems foolish.Im simply not interested in doing PR for liberals sorry
>>2695007what? sounds like a bunch of nonsense to cope with the fact that it was Q retards and not leftists who did more damage to the liberal world order lol
Do you think Gen Alpha being the Chinaboo generation will be good or bad for Communism in the West? Like I really can't imagine how the porkies will twist this into another win for Capitalism when all their children are watching Chinese media, wearing Chinese fashion brands, listening to Chinese music, etc and they no longer have any control over the narrative.
>>2695017There’s literally nothing communist about the Black Myth games, don’t get me wrong, they’re very cool but that’s not socialism, anyone that grew up with the WWII era of Call of Duty or the movie Enemy at the Gates would be a communist, but that didn’t happen, because media consumption isn’t reality
I wish those kids who blasted the anthem of the USSR in middle school became serious communists, but so do I wish for everyone else.
>>2695015>Im simply not interested in doing PR for liberals sorryin the same post that you are calling "PR for liberals" I said that fascism was a child of liberalism. have a nice evening.
>>2695016>it was Q retards and not leftists who did more damage to the liberal world order lolyes, that was my point. and it was because they were better organized, not because they consumed slop. if anything the leftists do nothing but consume slop and argue with one another. make sense?
>>2695020Why would Call of Duty turn someone into a Communist? In the alt hist of the Call of Duty games America won the war all by itself.
That's also not really the point since the Chinese cultural victory goes beyond just one or two games. White girls are copying Chinese makeup tutorials. People are turning Chinese pop music into what Kpop was in the 2010's. Chinese e-commerce sites are eating Amazon's lunch by being way cheaper and somehow LESS scammy. The #1 social media platform in the world is controlled by the PRC.
To someone with no understanding of history this sounds like a nothingburger but it indicates a global shift in whose ideas will be taken seriously. As of yet the CPC does not get actively involved in what media is shown to western audiences, but the media that comes out of China still has to be approved by the party just to be shown to Chinese audiences. Over time the contradictions between Western and Chinese media will result in Chinese media becoming the dominant side. Like just think of how often as an American you're exposed to copaganda from shows like Law & Order, or literally any and all movies involving the military or police because it's a long-standing rule that you have to portray them in a good light in American cinemas. Just exposing people to alternative interpretations of the world could be enough to shatter the programming of the average normie NPC. Exposing them to how false the state department's propaganda about China has been by showing them how actual Chinese people live could do more for Socialism than any kind of activism. It's like the old American saying about how the Russians knew the USSR was done for when they saw a supermarket in America, except this time it's not fabricated but actually truth.
>>2695028The wwii era cod games very much show the soviet union being the primary reason the nazis were defeated, at least World at War did
>>2695025>>2695016It's not just that Qtards were better organized, but also that they were a reactionary movement of petty bourgeois property owners, cops, and other retards with means and free time astroturfed by pedo billionaires. some of the cops even stepped aside and let them in because they secretly agreed. You had generals like Flynn on their side too. In the end they didn't just make it into the capitol building because they consumed conspiracy slop, they made it in because the incumbent outgoing president, cops, troops, and capitalists were on their side. And it's funny that despite all that, they still didn't really overthrow the government, because they had no ideological coherence. if anything their conspiracy slop mindset prevented them from doing anything with their superior organization and auxiliary support.
>>2695028maybe, we'll see
>>2695025>and it was because they were better organizedIt was because they were backed by a faction of the ruling class.
>>2695028Not only that, I noticed that my countrymen started being way less contemptuous and fearful of china when they could suddenly afford QoL commodities and comforts comparable to western ones thanks to xiaomi alone
Westoids will soon riot demandkng access tochinese cars and robots and AI tools
People shed ideological propaganda real quick when matetial interests swing their big dick.
>>2695034>People shed ideological propaganda real quick when matetial interests swing their big dick.People need to remember that a large source of dissident sentiment in the Warsaw Pact was caused by the West dangling treats in front of them. If Chinese treats and QoL outstrip those of the US it will absolutely undermine faith in the existing order.
>>2695020>the movie Enemy at the GatesWhile the sniper parts are cool the movie shows soviets as retarded orcs. The opening scene is literally a human wave attack, shooting their own fleeing own troops on initial assault and not giving the main character a gun.
>>2695042whats the status on these claims
>>2695047it's happening, trust me.
>>2695047the status is BREAKING.
do you mean to tell me you don't believe tweets from
checks notes "kekius maximus"?
>>2695052
What's worse is that it makes any kind of productive discussion impossible because people need to spend all their time combatting their nonsense. You could say don't take the bait, but if you adopt that approach you risk this shit spreading unopposed. Just another reason why third worldism is fed shit. It's basically taken out of the COINTELPRO playbook for disrupting socialist organizing since its a pointless debate incapable of producing anything constructive.
Okay, let’s say we reject third worldism, that there is a revolutionary proletariat in the United States, they’re geographically dispersed in car dependent infrastructure (including in urban areas that aren’t Chicago, Boston, and NYC) in ways that weren’t true of the proletariat Marx wrote of. They have no third places to meet and discuss how they’re being robbed, talking about it at work has obvious risks. All the existing unions are not just class collaborationist but outright reactionary as demonstrated by their conduct in regard to Gaza. Political parties are older than the proletariat itself, and we only have two thanks to first past the post who are about as in conflict as Rockem Sockem Robots or pro wrestlers. There’s millions of hours and means of distraction, the faint hope of social mobility through individual charisma and talent fleeting as it is. Even as they’re being squeezed and eliminated by the haute bourgeois there’s still the bulk of the country which is middle class and married to the system and will kill everyone on the earth before being proletarianized. It’s not looking good.
>>2695068>Even as they’re being squeezed and eliminated by the haute bourgeois there’s still the bulk of the country which is middle class and married to the system and will kill everyone on the earth before being proletarianized. Anon the "middle class" doesn't actually exist. There's just the upper income workers and lower income bourgeoisie which are collectively referred to as such, but this is not a class in Marxist terms. What's more is that their downward mobility simply isn't up to them, so it doesn't matter if they'd burn the world down to avoid it. In fact that works in our favour since its militancy that can be harnessed against their class enemies.
>>2695070You just have to be careful that they don't harness the working class for their class enemies like in the 30s
>>2695071The fastest way to guarantee that this will happen is by doing nothing.
>>2695059The only thing not fascist is BIPOC ethnonationalism and third world capitalists.
>>2695072Woo the lumpens this time, western man, their usefulness as attack dogs is not to be underestimated, and you want to be the hand that feeds
>>2695076Nah the Black Panthers tried that in the 60s.
>>2694996I said most and then I just gave my take on a certain type of person as I see it. If nothing in what I posted describes you, why are you taking it so personally?
>>2695077Well I mean the bp were infiltrated and beheaded from the top, not the bottom
The vanguard is always the weakest link
>>2695070yeah people just call that middle class, even marx did
>>2695084My point is that most of the "middle class" are themselves workers. They aren't going to be "proletarianized" because they already are, even if they have relatively high incomes.
>>2695087They're not reserveless
>>2695087Communism is the movement for the poor by the poor. Its not a middle class fantasy, your entire life will be restructured and despite all the nihilism and apparent political degeneration, life has never been better for Americans if you put in some modicum of effort
american socialism will probably hate chinese socialism and vice versia.
>>2695090>Communism is the movement for the poor by the poorIt's a movement by the working class for the working class. Poverty is just a factor that contributes to their anger, but even that is a relative question. People accustomed to high standards of living are also more sensitive to their decline.
>life has never been better for Americans if you put in some modicum of effortI might be more inclined to take you people seriously if you weren't for all intents and purposes conservatives. You agree with them on practically every issue. "Poor people are just lazy" is such an absurdly reactionary viewpoint that it would be cartoonish if it wasn't what you actually believed.
>>2695091They couldn’t even get along with Russian socialism, it’s fine with cuba and vietnam because there’s not even the possibility of a threat
>>2695087How many times do you have to see upper class workers outright side with the bourgeois for you to see them as enemies?
>>2695088Yes they are. "Reserves" in that context meant means of subsistence other than selling labour power, not just some modest savings.
>>2695092I never said any of that.
>>2695077Lenin and Stalin worked with lumpen gangs all the time
>>2695090If things were so great then why does Trump keep cancelling economic reports and firing government officials who track the economy?
>>2695090> life has never been better for Americans if you put in some modicum of effortthey're defunding education, safety and environmental regulations, infrastructure creation/repair, healthcare, and imposing austerity, all so they can pour more money into the police, prisons, and military. never been better!!!!!
>>2695094>lel marx predicts a world wide revolution that dissolves opposing nation states<what actually happens>socialist states emerge but they end up oppsing each other. The nation remains eternallol
>>2695098>Trump keep cancelling economic reports and firing government officials who track the economy?Trump and his administration is genuinely incompetent. Also they could be deleting shit cause it doesnt fit right wing conservatives worldviews which encompass a wide array of people including "working class"", at least the ACP takes the logic of sabocat to irs conclusion and argue that we should appeal to their socially conservative beliefs because they too are "working class". Notice how you haven't said positive claim at all about the actual conditions of Americans, not bourgeoise reports
>>2695087>>2695000>Having a 401k makes you bourgeoisBasically it does. Once you have enough assets to live off of, you no longer need to work. You're not proletariat. So even if the person doesn't have enough financial assets to no longer work, that is the path they're on. That's the dream of the Western Labor Aristocrat is to get to that point where they receive enough "passive income" to no longer have to earn a wage and work for a living. With newer gens of Americans, the dream is just to achieve this point at earlier and earlier ages.
I'm not playing around with semantics. The dream is to become bourgeois. Just because you don't own a small business with your own employees doesn't mean you're not bourgeois, if you receive the money you need to live without working you are bourgeois.
I think the problem is Americans are so plugged into the bourgeois dream they can't even see it as that:
>Hey! I work my ass off so I could earn those financial assets to enable me to not work! I earned my rental properties, bitcoins, bonds and hedge funds!Maybe you did, but once you are living off such, you're not a prole anymore, your dream is to become bourgeois. This is very straight forward.
Engels already said the exact same fucking thing:
<There were two circumstances which for a long time prevented the unavoidable consequences of the Capitalist system from showing themselves in the full glare of day in America. These were the easy access to the ownership of cheap land, and the influx of immigration. They allowed, for many years, the great mass of the native American population to “retire” in early manhood from wage-labor and to become farmers, dealers, or employers of labor, while the hard work for wages, the position of a proletarian for life, mostly fell to the lot of immigrants. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/02/25.htmYet you guys want to act like if all the seed money from your financial assets came from wage-work, that makes living off of financial assets proletarian. NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T READ!
>>2695103>bourgeois dreamSuch lazy thinking on display
>>2695099They're defunding because they can cut more due to technological improvements. Capitalist firms are still in competition with each other. We can talk about the negative effects of such a policy but these questions are not central to actual investigations into the material conditions of how Americans live.
Also the funding of military and police are to maintain imperialism and the spectacle of militarized police is mroe to predispose americans the immense an actual war with China will take.
>>2695095It's not that I expect wealthy workers to side with us, it's that I know the importance of recruiting them when capitalism inevitably eats them alive. My issue with treatlerite discourse isn't that it holds that the relative wealth of many Westerners promotes class collaboration (it obviously does). My issue with it is that they treat this as a permanent, intransigent state of affairs that will either continue forever, or else that they will continue to cling to their politics when the material incentive to do so is gone. Even if everything else they said was true, the correct course of action would be to establish whatever base we can, and then begin seeking expansion as capitalism continues to cannibalize people to preserve profits. It wouldn't be to insist on inaction no matter what happens.
>>2695105>>2695103Capitalism finds reproduction in the image of its own social relations, capital being nothing more than a relation.
Turn it on its head
>>2695110Seethe
>>2695109
>Bourgeois dreamYou deserve to be ridiculed for this
>>2695103Anon a 401k is basically a retirement fund. If you're not actually living off it or drawing any income then I don't see how just having one makes you "bourgeois" in any meaningful sense.
>>2695112Did I say that in the post? Are you guys so defensive you incapable of reading a few paragraphs? I said that once you no longer have to work because you can live off passive income you are no longer a prole. Engels even used the term early retirement.
>>2695102>Also they could be deleting shit cause it doesnt fit right wing conservatives worldviewsThat's what they are doing and you are buying into it.
>Notice how you haven't said positive claim at all about the actual conditions of AmericansHomeless camps all over, failing infrastructure, crumbling buildings, increase of prices for basic goods. Stock market manipulation and jobs report interference doesn't change reality.
>>2695118Even the people who do retire these days end up having to work again after a few years because our cost of living is so high that any retirement funds we have get eaten up by all sorts of bullshit
>>2695118Yeah but the conversation was about whether the average working adult in the US can be characterized as bourgeois or proletarian. Talking about retired people is pretty irrelevant.
>>2695106>[standard metrics of quality of life] are not central to actual investigations into the material conditions of how Americans live. lol, lmao
>>2695122>bourgeois or proletarianSuch a wrongful application of terms in the description of class society; bourgeois society is defined by the reproduction of the material basis of society in its own image.
>>2695124Of its material basis in its own image*
>>2695124Yes but you understand that individual members of a class society belong to one or another class based on their position in the relations of production right?
>>2695123But anon the DOW is over 50,000 dollars! We're all rich!
>>2695126Defeats your own statement that workers are somehow more bourgeois or proletarian; their relation in capitalist society to the means of production as a class is fixed by that character of this relation.
You've accomplished in thought nothing more than the erection of castles made of air in order to describe circumstances which bear no real reflection to what it is you set out to explain
>>2695128i once saw a TWister on here suggest that "black wall street" (the black neighborhood bombed by the KKK in 1921) was literally a haute bourgeois neighborhood lol. people just say whatever the fuck they imagine will bait the most rage.
>>2695129>Defeats your own statement that workers are somehow more bourgeois or proletarianI made no such statement. My statement is that if you survive by selling your labour power and produce surplus value you are a proletarian. It's others who are asserting that you're bourgeois if you have retirement savings.
>>2695131My bad, I'm drunk as shit.
Continue doing the lord's work
>>2695122Ok, but this is the goal these proles are working towards. It's long been talked about the "temporarily embarrassed" millionaire, but the thing is, it's not just a fantasy. Like let's say you are 50% or 75% of the way to your goal of retirement. Now just because you're not 100% there and can retire today and live off passive-income, this is your goal, and you are likely to achieve your goal. Now someone comes along and tells you they want to do away with that, what would "class interest" be. I think the problem a lot of communists have is they look at classes as moral categories instead of a tool to analyze what people's class interests are. People can even be class traitors, but class interest is the tool which we can understand the members of all these different classes in the aggregate.
Like let's take make an example(I was about to use specific numbers but it's not even important and might confuse things):
>I have high income job.>I buy first home>I still have enough left over after expenses to buy a better home to live in without. Maybe I use my equity in my first house to help by the second, it really doesn't matter there are so many ways.>I buy second home, I rent out the second home or maybe the first one, it doesn't matter.>Now I'm "earning" rental income in addition to my primary income, it's probably not as much as my primary income so I continue workingBut at this point I'm both a prole, and a landlord? Which is it? Is it by like the percentage of my total income that comes from one of the other? Either way, let's say some kind of issue like rent-control or maybe I'm running and Air BnB and they want to pass a law against that. What position on such laws that may hurt my rental income would be in my interest?
>>2695134Only boomers and xers have this avenue, millenials and gen z are entirely locked out of the market even those with manufacturing jobs, what few are left
>>2695134>Now someone comes along and tells you they want to do away with thatCommunists aren't trying to do away with retirement and pensions though. On the contrary, a socialist pension would be far more secure and reliable than a 401k. Nobody is becoming a millionaire from a 401k, and the entire concept was basically invented because under earlier systems, employers were obligated to pay their workers their pensions no matter what. With a 401k the whole thing could go tits up and the employer is under no obligation to give you anything. People don't invest in a 401k because they're expecting to get rich off them, they do it because they don't want to work until they die. So no, I don't think offering people a guaranteed state pension instead of an inherently unreliable, shoddy stopgap designed to save porky money is against their class interests.
>But at this point I'm both a prole, and a landlord? Which is it?I won't deny that some people can have a foot in both camps, but I don't think this describes the vast majority of American workers. The vast majority of even "middle class" people aren't owning multiple houses.
>>2695136>genpolthat's not how class works. the children of the bourgeoisie usually grow up bourgeois. the children of the proles usually grow up prole. there are plenty of millennial bosses already. the CEO of my company is a millennial born in the late 80s.
>>2695140>Approximately 10 million to 14 million individual AmericansThat's like 3.5% of the population.
>>2695141And 25% of Americans are under 18. Also that is individual filings and married couples file jointly. If we narrow it down to people or households that make above the median income that cuts out another half. It is a decently significant portion of high income earners.
>>2695144>a decently significant portion of high income earners.that income being rent, not wages. so they aren't proles.
>>2695137>Communists aren't trying to do away with retirement and pensions though.Pensions and investments in the stock market are two different things and there is a reason they have been eliminating pensions and replacing it with investments in the stock market.
>On the contrary, a socialist pension would be far more secure and reliable than a 401k. Yeah, we already have that, called Social Security.
>Nobody is becoming a millionaire from a 401k<As of 2024–2025, there are approximately 23.8 million to 24.5 million millionaires in the United States, accounting for nearly 40% of the world's total. This represents a significant rise in wealth, with over 1,000 new millionaires being minted daily, driven largely by surging stock markets and rising home values>So no, I don't think offering people a guaranteed state pension instead of an inherently unreliable, shoddy stopgap designed to save porky money is against their class interests. If the question was, let's increase the capital gains tax to fund state pensions, how would all the people with large investments in stocks feel?
Ic you were a capitalist afraid of the proles fucking you up and taking your shit, wouldn't it make perfect sense to send a production to another continent far, far away from yoyrself while deterring thrm with the nuclear stick and bombs, while surrounding yourself with sycophantice petite bourgeoisie and non-proletarian managerial workers from all over the world?
Just seems like a perfectly sensible thing to do.
>>2695145I think the most exhausting thing about all this is that it's inherently pointless and can't go anywhere. Like, most debates in socialist circles can at least be productive insofar as they lay the groundwork for future analysis and action. People can spend a long time debating about electoralism vs direct action, but at least when they come to a consensus or one side overcomes the other, they can now discuss next steps. In the Marxist vs TWist discourse we either end up back at square one if the Marxists win out, or we sit around doing nothing if the TWists do. It's like we're stranded on a desert island talking about the best way to signal a ship, but one retard just keeps saying we should just walk into a the sea and die instead.
>>2695150>Ic you were a capitalist afraid of the proles fucking you up and taking your shit, wouldn't it make perfect sense to send a production to another continent far, far away from yoyrself while deterring thrm with the nuclear stick and bombs, while surrounding yourself with sycophantice petite bourgeoisie and non-proletarian managerial workers from all over the world?
>Just seems like a perfectly sensible thing to do.yes. see this thread for more info
>>2692138 >>2695148Leftists should seriously put more effort into radicalizing California. Most Californians hate these fuckers. It's also the only possible path towards American Balkanization tbh so you need California to become more like Minnesota if you want any kind of real national-level opposition to fascism.
>>2695153Spread your anti-communist glowie ideology elsewhere.
>>2695150It would make sense except that's not what happened. Most people in the West aren't petty bourgeois or non-proletarian managers.
>>2695156Bro wtf kind of a question is that? Yeah I'd object to millions of people dying painfully for no reason. I wouldn't object to the disciplined and judicious use of revolutionary terror and violent repression against class enemies who actively oppose socialism. That doesn't mean I'd be okay with just pointless suffering and murder.
>>2695149>and there is a reason they have been eliminating pensions and replacing it with investments in the stock marketYeah because Porky doesn't want to actually have to pay workers in their retirement.
>Yeah, we already have that, called Social Security.Which is a pittance and nobody would object to its expansion.
>If the question was, let's increase the capital gains tax to fund state pensions, how would all the people with large investments in stocks feel?Probably negatively, but I'm not talking about people with large investments in stocks. I'm talking about people who invested a modest retirement fund.
>>2695163
I know you're most likely trolling but I would have you shot anyway.
>>2695162just report the 'jewish ոіggеr' moron.
The us socialist revolution will be the easiest in history lol, instead of the whole world ganging up on thdm like with the ussr, thd whole world will comd to their aid if only to get a kick on the international bourgeoisie
>>2695173
But officer, gulags are bad things that communists do! I'm so happy you're here to let us know that our brave elected officials and job creators really do have our best interests in mind.
>>2695180
I don't understand, are you trying to tell me that my ruling class isn't working to make my life easier and better? That actually their interests are opposed to mine? That sounds like commie talk to me.
>>2695160
wanna know how I can tell you're a glowie?
>>2695184
You're not making any sense officer. Are billionaires my friends and allies or not? Is trickle down economics real?
>>2695155
I have a feeling if i moved to the global south i would still be a treatler to you
Third positionists and the vulgar wing of third worldsists claim to hate eachother but make for great bedfellows
I recently read Alexander Dolgun's story, and although he may have been a spy, or maybe not, the fact that he got kicked in the balls so hard by his torturer (executed by Khrushchev) that his guts literally descended into his taint, it was still funny that when he got back to the states he wanted interest(!) on the money the US gave him for back pay.
>>2695192
Dulgin the American not Dugin the Russian
>>2695186He'd just switch to calling you a sexpat and blame you for destabilizing the local economy.
Unrelated but I'm thinking of visiting latin america to lose my virginity next year. Anyone know how much money you should prepare for a trip like that? Would $3000 be enough to last me 2 months in the global south?
>>2695187
So billionaires getting richer is good for me right? Those evil scary things Marx and Lenin said about them being my class enemies are all lies? I should just listen to what Reagan and Thatcher had to say instead?
>>2695195
he died of kidney failure from getting kicked in the balls over and over again
>everybody in the 1st world must die, they are all genetically fascist and will never do anything because the treats are too good even leftwing ones must die a real leftwinger would blow up x
>bad empada hes great he moved to argentina and made youtube video
>snarkcuckerberg
He makes videos in his bed about how bad 1st worlders are after moving from australia to south america
Everyone else a colloborator tho
>>2695200
So to make it absolutely clear, you agree with the basic premise of neoliberal economics?
>>2695201
he was a Soviet citizen who grew up in Soviet Russia. His dad was a skilled worker who came to the Soviet Union to help build the country.
>>2695151The real irony is the spam is functionally just controlled opposition. I'm out here giving real facts and figures and arguments and he just spams the most petulant filth that has no argument other than: AMERIKKKRACKER BAD!
God damn. I think I'll do some more research and do a full-fledged right up about a class analysis of America.
>There were two circumstances which for a long time prevented the unavoidable consequences of the Capitalist system from showing themselves in the full glare of day in America. These were the easy access to the ownership of cheap land, and the influx of immigration. They allowed, for many years, the great mass of the native American population to “retire” in early manhood from wage-labor and to become farmers, dealers, or employers of labor, while the hard work for wages, the position of a proletarian for life, mostly fell to the lot of immigrants. > A class of life-long and even hereditary proletarians exists at this hour in America.>The tendency of the Capitalist system towards the ultimate splitting-up of society into two classes, a few millionaires on the one hand, and a great mass of mere wage-workers on the other, this tendency, though constantly crossed and counteracted by other social agencies, works nowhere with greater force than in America; and the result has been the production of a class of native American wage-workers, who form, indeed, the aristocracy of the wage-working class as compared with the immigrants, but who become conscious more and more every day of their solidarity with the latter and who feel all the more acutely their present condemnation to life-long wage-toil, >because they still remember the bygone days, when it was comparatively easy to rise to a higher social level. The thing is it is actually still pretty easy to rise to a higher social level in America. All kinds of idiots do it. That's also the core of the problem with Marxism is just looking for the downward pressure that enslaves people to "life-long wage-toil," but of course, they're not suggesting that anyone chooses to be enslaved to lifelong wage-toil. The fact is that smart and diligent people can move up to a higher social level, then who does that leave in the proletariat?
>>2695194>Unrelated but I'm thinking of visiting latin america to lose my virginity next year. Dont lose to a hooker anon you will regret it later, now if you meet a local girl and shes into you … well go for it but dont pay for it
>inb4 we all pay for it because men pay for dates or what ever… >>2695189
>
>>2695189
>everything hitler said about jews is basically true about americans.
The most marxist 3rd worldist be liek
I bet you live in a imperial metropole country
>>2695206
Glad we got that straightened out. You know, typically when people openly admit to subscribing to bourgeois economic theories like neoliberalism we call them liberals. This certainly is a new type of communism where instead of working to counter bourgeois narratives you reinforce them, and instead of organizing opposition you urge people to be passive and effectively support the existing regime. All while claiming to be the only true opponent of it! Imagine a communism which agrees with the ruling class its theoretical outlook, and is entirely compatible with the bourgeois state and imperialism in its practice. I'm sure the ruling class fears it deeply.
>>2695208>inb4 we all pay for it because men pay for dates or what ever…well yes but…
>Dont lose to a hooker anon you will regret it lateryou're right I just planned to exploit my treatler wealth gap to make a local girl fall in love with me and maybe bring her back to become my wife if things go well.
prostitutes are icky.
>>2695212
Im the guy who posts about zog in every thread tf you mean?
But really zog is a subgroup of bog (bourgeoise occupied government)
And it all needs to go
>>2695216
Do you atleast live in serbia or are you living in slovenia better than like 60% of americans and acting like you are an opressed rice farmer?
>>2695207Don't want to make it sound like I'm just praising muh "entrepreneurship" or calling proles dumb, but like, if you look at it, the very skills you need to make a successful business venture or startup or whatever is the same kind of skills you need to build a successful political movement. No one is going to hold your hand through either venture. A lot of people really are like happy slaves that don't like thinking too much about what to do day to day, or plans for the future, or aspirations or anything. It's much easier to be a lifelong prole, at least in terms of making decisions or taking risks, just show up, do your job, leave. I know this one lawyer and I was mentioning business to him and he said:
>Oh I'd hate to be my own boss. I like just clocking in, clocking out, then the rest of my day is me time. >>2695211
I'm saying your spam has the opposite effect of convincing anyone of whatever your position is supposed to be.
>>2695222
The only zion i think should exist is zion national park in utah
>>2695207>The thing is it is actually still pretty easy to rise to a higher social level in America.Sorry but I'm not convinced of this at all. Sure some dipshits get ahead but that just reinforces the notion that it's all luck and has nothing to do with hard work or merit. Most people are not especially socially mobile in the US.
>>2695219>communism is the theory of how the bourgeoisie will sell their own rope, and it was crafted out of bourgeois economics itselfIt was a negation and critique of bourgeois economics. Dialectics is the science of understanding how any given thing produces its antithesis and ultimate gravedigger/successor. You aren't offering any kind of dialectical antithesis to bourgeois economics, you're just peddling it completely unaltered. You quite simply agree with all the basic premises of the ruling ideology.
>>2695229
>when reagan first admitted this was the plan
As well all know, real communists all agree with Reagan. Only a reactionary would say he was full of shit.
>>2695115there is not a single sentence of marx that even implies that salaried labor falls outside of the broader scope of waged labor. also cars are consumptive means. this graphic is gravely overstating a very real and important point about the impossibility of just grafting marx's class categories onto present day bourgeois society. that's why it never actually gets talked about, because the people saying it are doing so carelessly, and the people that need to listen have their head buried in the sand.
>>2695232
>than lift 1 single finger against the bourgeoisie
Which party do you belong to?
>>2695234he belongs to the make your dumbass give him (you)'s party
>>2695235
But you aren't agreeing with him about that, you're agreeing with him about economic theory. Just admit to being a Reganite.
>>2695238Who is giving (you)'s to who??
>>2695243
>and will bribe americans with treats gotten from imperialism so they don't become communist
He didn't say that though. He said he'd make sure porkies got more money and that this wealth would trickle down to the proles.
>>2695246
>the house slaves died along with the master when the field slaves revolted
Toissaint Louveture was literally an overseer lmao.
>>2695247
Yes and when that happens we'll lynch all the feds like yourself.
>>2695243
Except trickle down didn't have any actual bribes towards the middle class. Reagan made the cost of living worse, prevented things like affordable healthcare, and made housing more expensive.
What the bourgeois mean when they say "treats" is "giving ourselves more of your tax money".
Americans haven't received any tangible economic rewards from imperialism since the 70's. After that point the piggies just went
<"okay, we'll continue doing total third worlder genocide, but unfortunately due to budget cuts the dollar menu is no more, your rent is going up, and free school lunches have to go; we just can't afford it as a society anymore. Anyway, have you thought about trying this new Starbucks drink made from the blood of third world orphans? Only $7.99!"
And yes I realize framing it this way still makes treatler posters seethe and piss themselves that Americans used to receive benefits from genociding the third world. But at this point the only people benefiting are the ultra-wealthy. The american consumer base is as enslaved and trapped as everyone else the Capitalist death machine colonized.
>>2695251
If only the Nazis had defeated Stalin, stooge of US imperialism!
>>2695254
>exactly what the toothless whiteguard says
Sorry but I think the white guards were the guys going around telling all the peasants that the Tsar loved them and had their best interests at heart. Not the guys going around saying they should rise up and kill him. Those guys had a different colour I think.
>of course you would say this
It's just the logical result of your own reasoning Anon. If America was worse than the Nazis then Stalin must be worse than them too, since he helped them win the war.
>>2695254
>you have cheap computers because CIA-backed warlords enslave african children to mine cobalt
And whate are you posting this on my friend a cccp cobalt free prototype powered by the emf from lenins ghost
>>2695255
>they would rather fight the truth than fight the bourgeoisie who feed them the blood of the workers
You're the one telling us we shouldn't fight them though.
>>2695258>And whate are you posting this on my friend a cccp cobalt free prototype powered by the emf from lenins ghostyes
>ou have cheap gas because you gave iraqis birth defects you reactionary freak
I was under 5 when the goverment sent me to iraq as a child soldier and then i when i came back my memories were erased so i would believe that i spent those years in elementary school instead of bombing iraq
And the average person benefitted from it not just the companoes that where politcally connected
Cheney didnt do it for haliburton he did it for me.
>>2695259>You're the one telling us we shouldn't fight them though.i'm saying you won't because you are afraid of losing your treats. you are a willing and gleeful collaborator.
>>2695260Who here has ever disputed that America is imperialist?
>>2695262>i'm not complicit because i was a hecking kid!the bolsheviks shot the tsar's children and the burger empire is the tsar of the world. all 340 million americans might as well be like nicky's children.
>>2694562Classic Amerikkkan strasserite move: present the amerikkkan as a victim and the third wordler as 'an annoying asshole'.
>>2695264the treatlers as they cry for more treats and fight the truth
>>2695261How do i get one?
>>2695269you get the bullet
>>2695266Dont you have some brits to praise?
>>2695263>i'm saying you won'tNo you're telling me I shouldn't, that doing so would be against my interests, and that any effort to do so would be futile. My position is that I should fight against them, that it is in my interest to do so, and that victory is possible. You are the one openly advocating for submission to the bourgeoisie as both inevitable and desirable.
>>2695270How am i supposed stop imperialism with only one bullet?
>>2694541You are a member of a supposed """""Communist party""""""""
What do you ever do except bitching and moaning that third worlders are rude to you on an imageboard?
You suck the joy out of the air with every breath you take you obese vidya addict
>>2695274>What do you ever do except bitching and moaning that third worlders are rude to you on an imageboard? Let's be real now, these people aren't third worlders. There are no third worldists in the third world.
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>>2695276>>2694194'Self determination' does not mean extreme tribalist chimpout you retard.
>>2695281Name one (1) third worldist party from the third world.
>>2695283the communist party
>>2695265Except this is more like saying that every kid in the russian empire should die because they benefitted from the occupation of port arthur
And the bolshevicks should kill every kid in russia because of it
>>2695254
>you have cheap gas because you gave iraqis birth defects you reactionary freak.
No, we have cheap gas because the Saudis are selling it to us at a loss in exchange for not letting the Houthis overthrow their evil and laughably incompetent monarchy. Iraq primarily benefited US oil and gas companies and weapons companies, not really consumers, since American companies are still selling us Iraqi oil at the same price the market dictates(the highest price they can get away with). For consumers to be benefiting, that would imply companies like BP, Exxon, and Shell are keeping oil prices artificially low to idk, win US consumers to their side or something, when the reality is quite the opposite; they're trying to maximize profits from oil by periodically spiking the price with the knowledge it will be obsolete in the next 2-3 decades. also, the recent decline in oil prices in the US has basically nothing to do with the middle east and everything to do with fracking and offshore drilling from the Trump/Biden admins because we decided having an environment is cringe and gay or something idk.
>you have cheap fruit because your CIA overthrew socialists on behalf of united fruit
no, the vast majority of fruit consumed in the US is grown here. ironically the US exports a ton of fruit and vegetables to asia and latin america.
>you have cheap computers because CIA-backed warlords enslave african children to mine cobalt
also wrong, our computers aren't even cheap in fact they're in line with the prices the rest of the world pays. PC prices are FUCKED because AI companies bought all the RAM, hard drives, and graphics cards on the market and the global supply is fucked until at least 2028 or whenever OpenAI collapses, whichever comes first.
>>2695284The communist party of my salty ball sack. I know you're an enthusiastic member.
>>2695281Nice pop culture reference treatler
That show is fascist because it tells everyone to wait for a messiah (the avatar) instead of revolution
>>2695275I am not a third worldist. I am from the third world.
But you faggots keep casting the opinions of third worlders as being first-worlder third-worldism. You are deranged.
>>2695290>I am not a third worldistYeah but I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about third worldists who are inevitably Westerners. The closest we got were some mfs from semi-periphery countries like Brazil and Ukraine (FSLN poster and tank poster if anybody remembers), and one of them was an immigrant to Canada anyways lmao.
I think the board in general is slowly coming around to the actual soncalled "third worldism" (really just getting western leftoids to finally agree with the outcome of 2nd international + admitting that china is socialist), there's much less of anti-marxist "westerners deserve their superwages because of le superior productivity" nonsense.
At the same time there's clearly some shitposters larping as the caricature of "twism" (kill all kkkrakkkas)
Now we only need to convince firstoids to stop courting the "normal americans", the upper strata of western workers ( comprising about 30% of their population) who will only join the revolutionary movement that is already in place and appears to be capable of winning.
If you don't already have a movement, those vacillating middle strata will defect to the bourgs instead. Or worse employ the bottom 50% in a reactionary petty booj revolt against the (((financiers)))
In order to prevent that, you have to build the org from bottom up, not middle down. Court the lumpens and the marginalized, the white trash, the scum.
Then I will conclude that they are free of hitler particles.
>>2695168
do you realize that was a very private letter, between too very close friends, you absolute /pol/ moron?
>>2695290💯
many people ITT that pretends to be 'third-worldists' are first-world folks.
>>2694699>China collapses because it helps PalestineWhat is with Xitter dengoids writing these alternate reality fanfics where their country is so weak that it has to ally with zionists
>>2695450china when proles want to unionize:
>get back in the treat factory ultras NOWchina when israel slaughters palestinians:
>ya confauci we are weak… >>2695290ok but who cares if a third-worlder writes an opinion if it's just as retarded as the average xittercel
Waiting for Comrade Kulinski to take the mask off fully and start wearing a Mao suit a la Hasan on stream. He was glazing China yesterday, clearly has no patience left for capitalists and has indirectly called for ICE goons to be shot. He's 90% there.
>>2695467> He was glazing China yesterdayInteresting.
Link?
>>2695467>glazing China yesterday>no patience left for capitalistsPick one
>>2695472I'm sure he'd hang all of China's billionaires too, but you have to start at home.
>>2695479Really good video.
>>2695480International industrial bourgeoisie slaughter complex
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