Based on core Marxist theory and the analysis of related scholarly sources, the answer is a definitive no. A genuine dictatorship of the proletariat in America would necessitate the dismantling of imperialism, not its maintenance or expansion. The exploitation of foreign nations is understood to be a fundamental feature of capitalism, and a socialist system would need to break from this dynamic entirely.
🧠 The Capitalist Foundation of Imperialism
To understand why a workers' state would oppose imperialism, we must first understand why capitalism requires it.
The Capitalist Drive for Expansion: Critics argue that US foreign policy is not merely a series of strategic errors but is driven by the inherent needs of capitalism. To sustain a profitable capitalist economy, there must be a continuous expansion of markets and an increase in consumption . This imperative has historically shaped a foreign policy of invasion, resource extraction, and neo-colonialism, often hidden behind a rhetoric of spreading democracy .
The Mechanism of "Super-Exploitation": Marxist dependency theory, particularly the work of Ruy Mauro Marini, explains how wealth is transferred from poorer to wealthier nations. This happens through the "super-exploitation" of labor in the Global South, characterized by wages paid below the real value of labor power, extreme working hours, and intense work to the point of exhaustion . This system allows imperialist countries to enjoy a higher quality of life and fund social programs, not through superior efficiency alone, but through this unequal exchange and value transfer from dependent nations . The prosperity of the imperial core is thus built on the underdevelopment of the periphery.
🚩 The Logic of a Dictatorship of the Proletariat
A "dictatorship of the proletariat" is a Marxist concept referring to a transitional state where the working class holds political power, typically after a revolution that overthrows capitalism. Its fundamental goals are antithetical to imperialism.
Smashing Imperialism, Not Building It: From a Marxist-Leninist perspective, the fight for a dictatorship of the proletariat is inseparable from the fight against imperialism. The establishment of such a state in a major imperialist power like the U.S. would be, by definition, the "beginning of the end of world imperialism" . Its goal would be to break the chain of exploitation, not to create a new link.
Socialism Cannot Be Built on Exploitation: The logic of a workers' state is to reorganize society based on need and common good, not private profit. Funding social programs through the continued or expanded exploitation of foreign workers would be a direct contradiction. It would mean simply recreating the capitalist dynamic of an "us" (Americans) who benefit at the expense of a "them" (the rest of the world) . The theoretical basis for genuine internationalism lies in workers in the Global North recognizing that their relative privilege is tied to the super-exploitation of workers in the Global South .
Foreign Policy as Solidarity: A leftist foreign policy, as envisioned by progressive thinkers, would be fundamentally reoriented. Instead of seeking primacy and hegemony, it would focus on promoting economic equality, reducing the global military footprint, and building genuine international cooperation . This is a shift from exploitation to solidarity.
In summary, the very purpose of a dictatorship of the proletariat is to transcend the capitalist mode of production, which is inherently tied to imperialism. Therefore, such a system could not logically maintain or expand imperialism to fund itself, as that would perpetuate the class and international divisions it aims to abolish.
>>2696324mooooooodddddds
kill this ai user
>>2696327Look man if even the Chinese AI agrees that communist America would be a good thing and not imperialist then maybe y'all should put the breaks on this idea that an American DOTP would necessarily be imperialist because something something treats
Goodnight yank savages
I hope when I wake up tomorrow you have dismantled your faggotic imperialism
>>2696329No need to get homophobic about it man
>>2696329goodnight comrade. don't dream about us ok?
>>2696310Sorry, I think Chagos puts me in the frame of mind where everything I say will be taken literally no matter how humorously I put it.
>>2696317It was a joke you autistic sperg.
>>2696314Yeah dude, it's a big world. A lot of people are dying en masse and going through real suffering and you expect the world to focus their attention on whether you get to live on one tropical paradise or another. Why don't you form your own Chagossian militia and go behead Mandarin yourself?
>>2696334He should move to Cape Verde, seriously
I don't know how Richard Wolff keeps his sanity. He's been ranting about the evils of American capitalism for the better part of a century and even when it's gotten this bad, most are still not willing to admit that maybe, just maybe, we might need to get rid of it.
>>2696343>I don't know how Richard Wolff keeps his sanity. well he's 80 so he won't have to live through the worst of what's to come lol
>>2696343he's basically a trotskyist, and they get off on being miserable. they want a world that they can bark at, he's more at home with his sorrow than without it
>>2696343I don't get how "marxists" can observe just how exceptionally reactionary the american working class is for 100 years, and not adjust their priors or try to get to the bottom of such a phenomenon
>>2696343>I don't know how Richard Wolff keeps his sanity. He's been ranting about the evils of American capitalism for the better part of a century and even when it's gotten this bad, most are still not willing to admit that maybe, just maybe, we might need to get rid of it.People repeat memes and phrases mindlessly I think. I've had coworkers who've unironically done the "Communism works great in
theory but not in practice" line a million times. Customers blamed hard seltzers on Communists. Many,
many people just repeat what they've heard. Hell in Russia you had Red Army conscripts cheering Bolshevism while simultaneously booing Communism.
So I don't think many of the people who mindlessly uphold Capitalism will actually fight for it if push comes to shove.
>>2696356>exceptionally reactionarylol there's insanely reactionary people all over the earth, they just don't have the power and their insanity isn't constantly broadcast around the world
>>2696329>he goes to sleep at 2AMzomg he's literally me
>>2696356people have faith in all kinds of things.
>>2696356Maybe because you actively want to believe that the American working class is "uniquely reactionary" and then look for evidence to "prove" that rather than trying to analyze things neutrally? And people who actually treat theory seriously don't come to the same conclusions?
>>2696359>lol there's insanely reactionary people all over the earth, they just don't have the power and their insanity isn't constantly broadcast around the worldUnironically you read news in the developing world and some of the shit you'll come across is baffling and backwards. Only thing is third worldism has an inbuilt excuse of declaring anything reactionary in the third world is some artificial imposition by Westerners while anything reactionary in the first world is "the true face of the entirety of the first world revealed."
>>2696359There's photos of apple cheeked american boys with cadillacs and american gals in sundresses, citizens of the most advanced and wealthy country in the world, posing, smiling for a photo in front of a charred corpse of a lynched black man.
Such things happened not in medieval times, but in living memory.
And every group america takes under its eings does the same things: isis, latin american contras, zionists
>>2696355>Decap strikes on iran with tactical nukes in the next 24 hoursbig if true
>>2696366>i bet you didn't know about lynchingsyes, kid. I knew all this shit for decades.
>And every group america takes under its eings does the same things: isis, latin american contras, zionistsyeah, proof of what i said. there's reactionaries all over the world. congrats on reaching the same conclusion. and america does support reactionaries around the world. but it doesn't always create them. sometimes they just exist and america gives them weapons, money, training etc.
>>2696355he is going schizo… the tankiepill is inevitable
>>2696365It absolutely is all downstream from america.
Palestinians, the most abused people in the world, ones who are most deserving to be angry, who get bombed to the stone age repeately, comprized almost entirely of people with childhood trauma, don't cut babies out of pregnant womens' bellies.
But new jersey jews in the IDF do
>>2696368My country never had a lynching in 100 years of its existrnce
>>2696366Fucking called it on "All the evil shit is just because America did it!"
>>2696370America didn't mind control certain Islamic states into stoning women to death for getting raped. Secondly you're playing a rhetorical game where you take a broadly sympathetic group, such as the Palestinians, and use them as a shield because Israel floods the field with atrocity propaganda (a massive majority of which is fake) and so if there's a case in which "Palestinians" as nebulous as that'd be do something "bad" then in turn you can flip the conversation around to "Well you're doing Israeli propaganda now."
another fine night on /baitypol/
>>2695416Mauritian Occupied Thread
>>2696376>America didn't mind control certain Islamic states into stoning women to death for getting rapedAmericans and Brits did in fact help in promoting wahhabism as a weapon against secular pro-Soviet arab regimes
>>2696356Anon less than 30 years ago Yugoslav proles were murdering each other because the mfs from the village next door spoke a with a funny accent. Syrian proles last year cheered the fall of their anti-imperialist government in favour of one that practically thanks Israel for bombing them. If there's one thing that the end of the Cold War and the global death of socialism has taught us, it's that there is nothing uniquely reactionary about America.
>>2696376stop biting the bait designed in a lab to get you to sound like you're defending imperialism even if you aren't. they've perfected the bait. they even have done trials on how long someone reads before they stop reading and find out exactly when to time their posts so that theirs get read and people get tired by the time they get to yours so they zone out halfway through and see you as the morshu explaining meme
>>2696376Ok, name 1 time shen someone in kazakhstan cut a baby out of a prrgnant womans belly and stomped on its head
(It's a muslim country btw)
Such things only occur in america and smerica-affiliated groups
>>2696382Both these countries were swatming with american glowies and american funding for reactionary groups wdym
>>2696376>America didn't mind control certain Islamic states into stoning women to death for getting raped.why are there islamic states in the middle east instead of socialists?
>>2696381>Americans and Brits did in fact help in promoting wahhabism as a weapon against secular pro-Soviet arab regimesYeah and they had extensive cooperation from the Saudi Arabians and other local reactionaries. America and Britain were global sponsors of reaction because they were the strongest reactionary powers. In the mid 19th century Marx argued that this title belonged to Russia and vocally supported Britain against them in the Crimean War for this reason. The only thing special about America is that its the most powerful and globally influential reactionary state. If they were to fall without socialism supplanting capitalism, then or another bourgeois state would simply take their place and we'd have to listen to you people ramble about how India or Brazil or wherever is uniquely reactionary and must be destroyed.
>>2696389And did the American glowies zap those people with mind control rays? Did they kidnap them all and MKUltra them into doing what they did? No, they simply put out reactionary propaganda and these people believed it, because they were reactionaries.
I swear to god all of you are bad at framing your points correctly.
CPUSAnon and Sabocat's point should simply be framed this way: burgers don't create reactionaries from whole cloth, they find already existing reactionaries and lend them more power than they would otherwise have. i.e. America isn't exceptionally reactionary, it's just exceptionally powerful, and able to empower reactionaries around the world.
new thread, exceptionally reactionary burger chuds
>>2696386new thread, exceptionally reactionary burger chuds
>>2696386new thread, exceptionally reactionary burger chuds
>>2696386new thread, exceptionally reactionary burger chuds
>>2696386new thread, exceptionally reactionary burger chuds
>>2696386new thread, exceptionally reactionary burger chuds
>>2696386>>2696393>America isn't exceptionally reactionaryamerican right wingers consider hitler a leftist lmao
>>2696393Exactly. The irony is that these reactionary alliances are simply the bourgeoisie and landowners of the world acting in class solidarity. You'd think that the solution to this problem is for the global working class to demonstrate similar solidarity, and yet we always have people showing up to tell use that we should under no circumstances work towards this. Very curious.
>>2696395Only because they want to distance themselves from him and accuse their enemies of being Nazis.
>>2696395in 18th brumaire Marx joked that right wingers accuse each other of being socialists. it's not a new phenomena.
>>2696395>american right wingers consider hitler a leftist lmaowow… conservatives taking bribes from AIPAC called hitler a leftist? tell me more.
>>2696389Ok, better example: the US takes the reigns of fucking Iran after the British empire collapses. Do the proles react with a socialist revolution? No. The socialists JOIN the revolution, thinking they can co-opt it, but the proles instead hitched their wagon to medieval-tier reactionary theocrats who think secular society of any kind was a mistake. Their solution to being fucked by American capitalists was to submit themselves to being fucked by book-thumbing geezers screeching that everyone they don't like needs to be hanged because God says so or whatever.
>>2695615You're letting the discussion drag on for too long and get away from what matters: surplus-value is theft. Why should I be mad the government takes 30% of my salary when my boss takes 90% before that? In fact, the government takes only 3% of what I produce.
>>2695722I never got why voting ID is even an issue to you burgers. Just pass a federal law requiring SSN to vote and be done with it, one less political football for the uniparty culture wars.
>>2696647That’s how it already is, you need a SSN and address to vote. So our system already disenfranchises the homeless, the republicans push for this voter ID shit so they can add as much bureaucracy to voting as possible.
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