the US dindu nuffin, is just another country bro!
>>2696400anyone remember the condo collapse and 2 bridge collapses in the early 2020s? shit's crumbling everywhere yo.
>>2696402>america is exceptionally powerful and arms already existing reactionaries all over the world, but does not create them from whole cloth<you are saying burgers dindu nuffingreat "conversation"
>>2696403Everything is crumbling, everywhere. The empire is rotting.
>Russia is decidedly a conquering nation, and was so for a century, until the great movement of 1789 called into potent activity an antagonist of formidable nature. We mean the European Revolution, the explosive force of democratic ideas and man’s native thirst for freedom. Since that epoch there have been in reality but two powers on the continent of Europe – Russia and Absolutism, the Revolution and Democracy. For the moment the Revolution seems to be suppressed, but it lives and is feared as deeply as ever. Witness the terror of the reaction at the news of the late rising at Milan. But let Russia get possession of Turkey, and her strength is increased nearly half, and she becomes superior to all the rest of Europe put together. Such an event would be an unspeakable calamity to the revolutionary cause. The maintenance of Turkish independence, or, in case of a possible dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the arrest of the Russian scheme of annexation, is a matter of the highest moment. In this instance the interests of the revolutionary Democracy and of England go hand in hand. Neither can permit the Tsar to make Constantinople one of his capitals, and we shall find that when driven to the wall, the one will resist him as determinedly as the other.
You heard it from Marx guys, Russia is uniquely reactionary and must be destroyed. This could only be a result of ingrained and immutable national characteristics and definitely not the result of transient geopolitical and economic conditions.
>>2696400this is good because amerikkka becoming a third world country is the only viable solution to the treatlerite vs TWist shitflinging here
We are attacking Iran on Friday.
>>2696408Haven't you heard? The world is a Hobbsean war of all against all, and no matter what America will try to subjugate the rest of the world regardless of material incentives or imperatives. This is definitely not the kind of shit the Nazis said about how all nations and races are in a constant Darwinian struggle for survival.
>>2696408we've resolved the dialectic!
>>2696407>This could only be a result of ingrained and immutable national characteristics and definitely not the result of transient geopolitical and economic conditions.well russia were the most interested in dissolving the USSR so…
>>2696410I'd take you more seriously if you advocated for actual socialism in america instead of social fascism
>>2696416you would make the same accusations no matter what tbh
>>2696408They'd be whining that they have more holes in their shoes than us.
>>2696416In what way do I advocate for social fascism?
>>2696407I mean thr bolsheviks did destroy tsarist russia snd made in its place "the soviet union"
Same will have to be done with american there won't be "socialism in america", america will have to be destroyed first, and in its place a socialist country built
>>2696422>Same will have to be done with american there won't be "socialism in america", america will have to be destroyed first, and in its place a socialist country builtDoes anybody here disagree with this statement?
>>2696423you do because i imagine that you do. it's that shrimple.
>>2696422The bolsheviks made a Russian SFSR first and built a Soviet Union around it later, tbh
>>2696420Home oenership, increased wages, reformism, taking control of the existing state machinery instead of smashing it, workerism, tailism, opportunism, national chauvinism
>>2696423Wait til cpusa (catholic pedophile usa) comes in screeching
>>2696426he readin out the charges yall 🤣🤣🤣
"how do you plead" ahh post 💀💀💀
>>2696410cope, if you want to abolish treatler discourse here you will have to put your natguard traning to use and sabotage amerikkkan infrastructure until the entire country is below brazil levels of development, you are the only communist capable of doing this in the imperial core, felix is a fucknig DYEL with zero training and CPUSAnon is literally a democratic party LLM
>>2696423Namely that "America must be destroyed" is categorically different from "The Tsardom must be destroyed" and Lenin himself pushed back on this "Oh those Commies wanna destroy Russia!" narrative. The phrase "America must be destroyed" is not only useless in propaganda but basically only serves to galvanize people against your cause.
>>2696426>Home oenershipRates of home ownership are higher in socialist countries than in America. In the US its 60%, in China its 90%.
>increased wagesI am in favour of abolishing wage slavery altogether.
>reformist>taking control of the existing state machinery instead of smashing itI'm not a reformist, I don't believe it's possible to reform a capitalist state into a socialist one. I do however agree with Marx and Lenin that communists should not ignore electoral politics as a means of building a revolutionary movement.
>workerism, tailismIt's not workerism or tailism to insert yourself into existing grievances/struggles and use it as an opportunity to educate, agitate, and organize. This is essentially just the practice of every successful communist revolutionary movement in history.
>opportunism, national chauvinistExamples?
>>2696423>>2696422>Does anybody here disagree with this statement?I mean… I do? I mean if wishes were fishes. In reality America will never be destroyed. Look how low the Bong empire fell and they're still not destroyed.
I don't know why the TWist or anti-Amerikkkans or whatever you want to call it pretend to care about socialism in America or whatever when they openly say they want all Americans to die as penance for their sins. Really your best hope is that America just becomes isolationist and stops trying to "police the world." That's my highest priority as well and has been since I was a kid. It's a much more achievable goal than some fantasy insurrectionary revolution happening in America.
>>2696397From the perspective of anyone wanting America not to bomb their countries anymore, you should support any political movement in America that supports true isolationism first and foremost. That's my own personal criteria as well as an American.
>>2696437Guilty
of not being an ultra and actually reading Lenin >>2696436> Look how low the Bong empire fell and they're still not destroyed.but they're not an empire anymore. so it's effectively destroyed. they're just a peripheral and irrelevant NATO country. they couldn't even do the falklands shit right.
I think I’m physically dependent on caffeine now, FUCK
>>2696442He allegedly backed away from this position after talking it over with Starmer
>>2696442is Trump suggesting Mossad is about to do a terror falseflag in the UK?
>>2696447He might do that anyway because UK courte struck down the Palestine action ban
>>2696442That's old news. The Trump administration already approved the deal and transfer to Mauritius, then Trump tweeted that dumbshit randomly, during the Davos Summit when the Greenland drama was ongoing. Now the Trump administration have explained to king retard that they know what the fuck they're doing and to stop tweeting random shit, and now the deal is once again endorsed by the Trump administration.
Oh wait, never mind AGAIN????? What a fucking clown show.
Imagine having to be one of the glowies constantly babysitting king retard. LMAO.
>>2696449It’s gotta be exhausting, at some point I would probably start thinking of plotting a coup if I were them, just for a day of rest if nothing else
>>2696442>its only a 100 year lease thats not enough,There aint going to be 100 years from now and trump is partly why
>>2696419go suck biden's senile cock and dont reply to me ever again, thanks
>>2696450Its funny because they killed kennedy for being 5% less anticommunist then them and here they baby sitting a senile pedo narcissist and all they are doing is seething about it
>>2696452uygha who the fuck likes biden here?
ATTENTION /USAPOL/
This is a treatlerite checkpoint. Please register your disagreement if you are opposed to any of the following statements:
>The US state apparatus must be completely dismantled and a proletarian dictatorship erected in its place
>US imperialism is the most dangerous enemy of progressive forces globally and must be destroyed
>All US troops abroad must be withdrawn to the homeland. All foreign US bases must be closed
>All means of production owned by US corporations in other countries must be turned over to their workers
>All relations between a socialist America and other countries must be equitable, peaceful, and mutually beneficial
>A socialist America should help overcome the legacy of US imperialism with a robust aid program providing capital, technical assistance, medical aid, etc. to the third world (similar to those of Cuba and the USSR)
Why do you guys hate billionaires bro. Bruce wayne is a billionaire and he is a pretty cool guy.
>>2696458Batman isn't a billionaire though, Bruce Wayne is just Batman cosplaying as a billionaire
>>2696459So batman is a prole?
>>2696436>America just becomes isolationist and stops trying to "police the world."That's just pure idealism.
It's like saying "I wish we just convinced the bourgeoisie to stop trying to make infinite profit and allocated resources rationally"
Like, what you're describing has as its PRECONDITION, as a REQUIREMENT a socialist revolution
>>2696455you have to understand that the gotcha isn't that you are unwilling to say any of these things, but rather that it hasn't happened, and that this means you aren't making it happen, and that this means that spiritually and genetically you are actually lying.
>>2696463>and that this means you aren't making it happen, and that this means that spiritually and genetically you are actually lyingThirdies aren't making it happen either.
>>2696455Will the blood of the third world babies be equitably redistributed? Will it be like a food stamp system or will every worker get their own small sustainable colony of brown people to oppress?
>>2696455>using "America" to refer to the shithole currently known as the USNGMI
>>2696455>All relations between a socialist America and other countries must be equitable, peaceful, and mutually beneficial Statist
>>2696466their answer would be to the effect of "because you are perpetrating all the things that you are lying about being opposed to." it's a pretty neat little rhetorical bow they've tied altogether imho. it's ridiculous, mind you, but it has force.
>>2696466they tried for decades tho
>>2696435>It's not workerism or tailism to insert yourself into existing grievances/struggles and use it as an opportunity to educate, agitate, and organize. This is essentially just the practice of every successful communist revolutionary movement in history.Except you're miseducating them by lying that unequal exchange and labor aristocracy don't exist, therefore, in their understanding, your principlest communist demand of ending economic imperialism will be seen by them as unnecessary idealistic moralism, rather than a necessity for self-empancipation.
>>2696417the sad issue about that picture is that the average 35k a year wishes to be the top 1000 richest people. the state tells them 'yes, you can', but that's bs, the top 1000 richest people are basically clans with inherited stolen wealth, slave owner rich people, and obtained through exploitation from slavery first then through capitalism and the tools capitalism uses to extract that precious surplus out of the pocket of the workers. the failures of the communists and socialists in the US was to never engage in teaching to the 35k a year people the key aspects of the impossibilities of that to happen.
>>2696473>Except you're miseducating them by lying that unequal exchange and labor aristocracy don't existI never said the labour aristocracy doesn't exist. My view is the same as Lenin's, which is that it only consists of a minority of workers and is working against the interests of the majority. I'm ambivalent about unequal exchange since I don't think it's necessary to explain imperialism and uneven development. However its a moot point since the actual theorists of unequal exchange argue explicitly that it doesn't benefit first world workers at all.
>>2696472So did workers in the West, and they scared the European bourgeoisie enough that they launched a continent-wide extermination campaign of every socialist and trade unionist they could catch.
>>2696477whatever you say
>>2696476Well you're going to be in for a surprise when a strategy guided by the assumption that the average westerner doesn't benefit from imperialism hits the reality of those workers' self interest.
Well I mean it's been happening the whole time, but let's assume you're super cracked at agitprop and cobble together an anti-imperialist org with some actual power, your strategy of increasing their treats instead of decreasing their expenses will backfire spectacularly when value stops flowing from the global south, and they find themselves happy owners of unsustainable conditions when the prices of commodities have skyrocketed without decreased cost of living
>Rates of home ownership are higher in socialist countries than in America. In the US its 60%, in China its 90%.You're doing sleight of hand again. These types of home ownership are legally different. It's more accurate to say that everyone in china is housed, than to say everyone in china is a home owner.
The first thing any revolutionary socialist govt did is expropriate and redistribute land and real estate. They told the workers and peasants directly that homes will be TAKEN AWAY from home owners, and the workers and peasants cheered, because home ownership is reactionary.
AFTER having expropriated land and real estate, they started working on the problem of housing.
Treatler agitation skips several steps and misidentifies the rich peasants as the revolutionary base instead of the poor peasants. It's like if Mao told to the landlords: "join me and you'll live in a skyscraper, not this dingy hut". No, Mao told them "we'r taking ur house"
Btw sabo and every treatler is exactly that rich peasant who dreams of his own real estate and mao merciresly repressed, and not the poor peasant who cheered on the idea of all land being expropriated and nationalized
>Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu goes on the record: ‘There are highly disturbing allegations — allegations — of Donald Trump raping children and threatening to kill children.’Lieu asks to the journalists to go and investigate these allegations.
It reminds me a lot about that Gabriel Garcia Marquez discussion he had with a journalist explaining drug trafficking.
>GGM: Everything North American journalists know about drug trafficking in Colombia, which is a lot, they know because Colombian journalists have investigated it, have uncovered it and many of them have sacrificed their lives for those publications. However, we don’t know anything about how drug trafficking is in the U.S. because North American journalists do as if it doesn’t exist. If in the U.S. 30 million drug addicts are supplied with drugs daily without incident, without any problem, as if it were delivering milk, bread, the newspapers—if they can get supplied without incident, it means there are Mafias which are much more powerful than in Colombia and a much more significant corruption of the authorities than in Colombia. The problem is humankind has lost control of the problem of drug trafficking and drugs. It doesn’t mean we’re going to become discouraged and we’re not going to continue fighting, but we’re not going to make the assumption that the drug problem can be solved with glyphosate fumigations and with Congress certifications when it’s a problem the whole world suffers from and cannot resolve. It’s like the medieval plagues which were over when they were over. From there to say what I’ve been thinking since a long time ago and I’ve said the only thing that can save us from this is legalization, the decriminalization of drugs. But we have to be careful with the implications. This doesn’t mean we’re going to do it in Colombia and they’re not going to do it in Peru and they’re not going to in, no. It’s only possible when it’s a global agreement, of the whole world completely and without exceptions because when there’s one exception, it fails. And it’s very difficult to achieve because the interests committed in the immense drug business are so big and so high up which will make it very difficult to reach a global agreement.https://jorgeluiscarbajosa.com/2020/12/02/gabriel-garcia-marquez-interview-by-ana-cristina-navarro/we will know about these pedophilia investigations not because ncbc, msn, abc, the hill, fox news, etc. will investigate it, but because some global south journalist will uncover it, and he will be immolated in the process, and no one will say shit in the US.
commodification of the 9yo pussays!
Chagos is cool because he’s like an inverse VS Naipaul
>>2696488oh shit. were going to war tomorrow
>>2696483>>2696483>your strategy of increasing their treats instead of decreasing their expensesWhere did I advocate for this? Why are they mutually exclusive?
>and they find themselves happy owners of unsustainable conditions when the prices of commodities have skyrocketed Why would prices skyrocket? If third world workers cut out their own porkies then they can vastly improve their lives without any increase in commodity prices. If the Americans simultaneously hang their exploiters then any increases that do happen can be offset by income increases. It's been proven empirically that first world living standards are universally possible with less than our current economic output. The idea that imperialism is necessary to maintain it even after removing all the inherent wastefulness and parasitism of capitalism is simply false.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452292924000493>These types of home ownership are legally different.Legally different but practically the same. Property in China is technically leased from the government, but these leases can be bought and sold, sublet to extract rent, etc. Functionally there is no difference, especially when you consider that most capitalist countries have existing mechanisms for the appropriation of property. E.g. here in Canada the constitution does not guarantee private property rights. The government can take your land if they deem it in the national interest. In practical terms home owners in China own their houses and the land they're sitting on. They can buy and sell homes, rent them out, and speculate on the prices.
>>2696483liberal mental retardation on full display here
>>2696493"Home ownership" (infinite suburb sprawl) and high wages at high living expenses ARE the wastefulness of capitalism, those are the things that will have to be abolished to make capitalism not wasteful in the first place
giving everyone first world standard of living is not about making everyone into a fat american who owns 10 acres and drives optimus prime, it's about making everyone chinese: chinese have LOWER wages, they live in apartments and not on private land, and work HARDER not less, but they have extremely low cost of living precisely because they don't live in mcmansions and don't consume as much
>>2696502Those are not conditions American workers are going to accept unless it’s at gunpoint, you’re not getting to that point unless Mao was correct and nuclear war isn’t actually a big deal.
>>2696502>giving everyone first world standard of living is not about making everyone into a fat american who owns 10 acres and drives optimus prime, it's about making everyone chineseActually the model they used for that study was Denmark, but I see your point. I don't disagree that suburban sprawl would need to be abolished, but I don't think this needs to be done at gunpoint, or what whatever friction that could emerge from it would be fatal to a socialist movement in America.
>>2696502China also has vast rural countrysides and suburbs
>>2696506You can fix the issue of suburban sprawl through electric trolleys and a competent bus and high speed rail network, all of which can at least be ran on renewable energy
>>2696508You can fix it with zoning regulations than ban the construction of new single family dwellings. If you wanted to accelerate things the government could simply buy such houses and demolish them.
>>2696506How do you reconcile the pragmatic need of not scaring the hoes (fat middle classers addicted to individualism), with the principle that you can't build a revolutionary org by "tricking" the masses into progressive moves, or hiding your real intentions from them?
For me the answer is that we don't start with the middle class, we start with the most oppressed who don't even give a shit about home ownership because they've lost all hope and faith in the future in the first place, build a fighting org with them, and THEN absorb the middle class into that org (instead of the other way around)
>>2696506>or what whatever friction that could emerge from it would be fatal to a socialist movement in America.Ding ding ding tailism alert
>>2696510I don’t even think you need to be that interventionist, just move the jobs somewhere else
even if westerners are too addicted to treats to ever care about real communism, all is not lost.
AES can just do the reverse of what the west did to AES: bribe their working class with their own treats
china is going to be like "want this awesome electric car and personal robot and the best AI assistant in the world?", and westoids will overthrow their governments
not for communism, not for freedom, not to stop butchering third world children, not out of morals or intellectual rigor or spiritual sentiment, but for treats
>>2696513>the principle that you can't build a revolutionary org by "tricking" the masses into progressive moves,wait, what? since when? I thought that was what we're doing?
>>2696513Simple, I don't hide my real intentions from them.
>For me the answer is that we don't start with the middle class, we start with the most oppressed who don't even give a shit about home ownershipWhen did I ever advocate starting with the middle class? The middle class is the single greatest obstacle to our movement and we won't make any serious progress until neoliberalism finishes eating them alive. I'm simply saying that despite their reactionary politics, they are still workers, the same class antagonisms exist between them and their bosses, their ultimate interests are still aligned with communism. It's just that their relatively privileged position obscures this reality very effectively. This is hardly an unprecedented problem in class societies of all stripes, e.g. the relatively amicable relations between the peasants and the nobility in the Vendée led the former to wage a viscious struggle against the French Revolution. The solution to the problem of the middle class isn't to treat them as class enemies, it's to prepare for their inevitable liquidation in service of profit and be ready to pick them up.
>>2696444how is this an own when the whole project of american socialists is also to try to co-opt the REACTIONARY mass discontent of americans due to reduced treat supply into a communist revolution?
instead of a geezer theocracy you'll get boomerlenial 4th reich after the treatlers liquidate the communists that helped them overthrow the haute bourgeoisie
>>2696528How is anger over cost of living and quality of life reactionary?
>>2696525I dunno, marx said you shouldn't do it
I'm pretty sure "all existing social conditions" includes the edifice of land ownership
>>2696531they want to retvrn to the conditions of when the empire was STRONK
they don't want to go beyond their traditional mode of living and become more like china, they want to RETURN to the 90s when they grew fat from the plunder of the USSR and then blew up half the world with impunity
Really it comes down to whether you think people have the capacity to recognize reality and change instead of trying to claw back a status quo that’s impossible to maintain anyway
>>2696538I think they do have that capacity, but you have to tell them the hard cold truth, not try to coddle and placate them and minimize the issues to avoid scaring the hoes
Workers aren't dumb, they can smell it when an intellectual is trying to pull one over them
If I don’t have to pay rent anymore I’d gladly give up most of my dumb collectibles and electronics
>>2696536>they want to retvrn to the conditions of when the empire was STRONKThis is the exact program being peddled by MAGA and its already broadly unpopular and failing miserably. Under these conditions we should be working actively to dispel any such delusions and expose them as being impossible. The Communist response to false consciousness is to work to dismantle it, not throw up our hands and declare it all pointless. Do you seriously think that Russian peasants weren't riddled with backwards ideas even up to the eve of the October Revolution?
>>2696513>How do you reconcile the pragmatic need of not scaring the hoes (fat middle classers addicted to individualismwhy are you scared of scaring fat middle classers who are addicted to individualism
>>2696537And they’ll still burn and destroy crops if they can’t sell them.
>>2696544They vastly outnumber the proletariat, I’m talking at least 2-1
>>2696548but they are fat
>>2696548You understand that "proletariat" doesn't just mean "poor" right?
>>2696550middle class arent proles stop coping
>>2696534Marxism needs Taqiyya. Sorry. Marx was wrong about this particular thing.
>>2696551Class is determined by relations of production not income.
>>2696550I’m not talking about lumpens, I’m talking wage workers who have no rights and barely any buying power, they’re actively being deported rn, which is wild because they don’t have the incentive to organize in the first place because they’re sending their families remittances, there’s like a dozen countries where this makes up most of their economy
>>2696554Relations of production matter but income does as well because money is capital, it’s both commodity and capital
>>2696543Sounds more or less reasonable, I think I'm not sure about your priors still (just how unpopular is imperial revanchism in the west, deeper study required), but I think it's been a productive discussion, I think going forward I'll be tuning down some of my maoist fervor and tuning up the leninist pragmatism going forward in my analysis.
…is what I would have said if I didn't know you're doing treatlerite taqyyia on me you epsteinite patsoc I'm onto you
>>2696559>treatlerite taqyyiaMarxism needs Treatlerite Taqiyya. by convincing the treatlerites imperialism isn't in their best interests, the butcher Treatler will work in spite of himself. This is why TWisters are wrong, not in terms of facts, but in terms of tactics. You must tell the treatler that imperialism is bad for him so he fights it for you.
zohran status?
>>2696557How would a middle income wage worker survive without selling their labour power? How is their weal and woe not dependent on this? Savings, equity in their home, etc could help them not starve for a while, but ultimately they would be destitute without finding other employment as a wage labourer.
>>2696558Of course they both matter, but we won't get anywhere if we throw out Marxist class analysis and exchange it for a liberal understanding of class relations. We can talk about how income influences people's politics, the implications of this for our movement, etc. However we can't replace Marxist class analysis with liberal class analysis.
>>2696566Didn't he backpedal on rent control recently or was that clickbait
>>2696566Making protests outside synagogues actively selling West Bank land illegal and a hate crime, I’m not kidding or exaggerating
>>2696559>I think I'm not sure about your priors still (just how unpopular is imperial revanchism in the west, deeper study required)Honestly I think the first thing that needs to be understood is that the #1 propaganda tactic that Western imperialists rely on is convincing their own population that what they're doing isn't imperialism. When they behave in blatantly imperialist ways (e.g. the way the US is doing recently with its annexationist ambitions in Greenland and Canada) the response of most Americans is incredulity and disgust. America only gets its population to accept US imperialism by convincing them that it doesn't exist. Even the notion of a benevolent empire of the kind Britain described itself as in the 19th century doesn't fly with most people.
>>2696580he owns means of production tho
>>2696554Is this a contentious statement on leftypol now? This is basic leftist ideology. This poster is right.
>>2696590Whoop I forgot to take off my shitpost flag
You guys ready for ww3?
>>2696597I just want to die
>>2696590>Is this a contentious statement on leftypol now? This is basic leftist ideology. This poster is right.the TWister line is that everyone in the first world (or, in another version, just America) is a labor aristocrat and/or petty bourgeois due to the spoils of imperialism. If they aren't labor aristocrat or petty bourgeois, they STILL aren't proletarian, instead they are just lumpen.
>>2696597ww3's start already been decided ages ago
>>2696602Funnily enough, iirc Lenin never actually said that labour aristocrats weren't workers, just that they were class traitors.
>>2696606but the proletariat isn't
merely the worker in general, but specifically the worker who has class consciousness AND isn't a class traitor AND makes subsistence wages AND is immiserated AND receives no concessions AND has no reserves AND produces surplus value through commodity production, because they are the ones with the most incentive to join the vanguard… at least that is what the TWisters and Twothers have told me.
are youtubers proletariat?
>>2696614no they're the petty bourgeoisie of the entertainment industry if you think about it. they do homegrown small scale entertainment…. which is kinda interesting because usually once the petty bourgeoisie disappears from an industry they don't come back. the petty bourgeoisie of the entertainment industry used to be bands playing in dive bars, street performers, circus acts, etc. Those still exist but less prominently, but youtube has had a sort of renaissance in small biz entertainment.
>>2696597is something happening?
>>2696602>If they aren't labor aristocrat or petty bourgeois, they STILL aren't proletarian, instead they are just lumpen.they can be "working class" without being proletarians
>>2696590he is right about class being defined by relation to production and not an stadistical identity based on income but he is not right about the middle classes being proletarians, at least thats Marx position
>>2696618>he is not right about the middle classes being proletariansbut he never said the middle class is proletarian. he was just accused of that. unless I missed the post?
did you know the Eskimos Americans have like 40 different words for snow petty bourgeois?
>>2696623because uh…. you aren't the one dying and these days not dying is a treat… or something
>>2696612>but the proletariat isn't merely the worker in general, but specifically the worker who has class consciousnessThat's not accurate. You are erasing the distinction between a class-in-itself and a class-for-itself. The former is a class which has a definite existence based on its position in the relations of production. Its a question of the actual conditions and social relations under which it exists, and these remain regardless of whether the workers accurately understand them. A class for itself is when such a class becomes aware of its real positions, relations, and interests. The term "proletariat" refers to a class in itself, not for itself. Indeed, the existence of the proletariat predates Marxism and Marx and Engels say this explicitly. Engels argues that the proletariat in the modern sense originated in 18th century England, prior to the emergence of socialism as a political current.
>AND makes subsistence wages AND is immiserated AND receives no concessions AND has no reservesWhy should any of these be included in the definition of a class in itself? These are factors which are highly relevant to determining the practical class consciousness, militancy, and immediate revolutionary potential of a given group of workers. However they are not relevant in determining what class they belong to. They don't alter the core relationship between labour and capital, they don't abolish the antagonisms contained therein, they don't shield workers from the imperatives of capitalist accumulation or laws of capitalist development. What makes the proletariat revolutionary are two main factors: first, that their interests are irreconcilably opposed to those of the ruling class. Second, that falling profits and crises of overproduction force progressively more intense confrontations until the two come to blows. Having savings, lacking class consciousness, receiving concessions, etc. None of these things alter those two main points. They're simply symptoms that class antagonisms are at a relatively low level at a given moment, but this can never be transient unless you are going to attack Marxist concepts of declining profit rates and cyclical crises.
>>2696612yeah that's dumb, the revolutionary class is clearly peasants, because as been demonstrated by history
the reason there hasn't been a revolution for almost a hundred years is because peasants no longer exist after all the remaining agrarian countries modernized
>>2696618>but he is not right about the middle classes being proletarians, at least thats Marx positionDidn't Marx only use "middle class" to refer to the petty bourgeoisie?
>>2696623You know how many americans are receiving a living wage and being fed by the make-work genocide jobs program?
The dead iranians are just a side effect, the military is a make work program, just like prisons, miltech, fast food, media, management, HR, etc.
>>2696597To think this wouldn't be happening if the epstein class hadn't been partially outed and that they're doing this for revenge (Iranian hacker groups provided the first email drops), I think it's all coming to an end. Orange has dementia and is too distracted by the full diaper to know what kegsbteath is up to so it's ogre unless Caligula's praetorian guard 25ths the orange shit stain.
>>2696632couldn't we still pay those people a wage by just repurposing the military into doing public works projects like the Civilian Conservation Corps? I don't see how bombing Iran benefits the American proles but I'm sure chagos can explain and I'm just missing something.
Also re: the home ownership question, India has an 86% rate of home ownership, significantly higher than the US. Under the logic being peddled we'd have to consider the vast majority of their population class enemies.
>>2696634>unless Caligula's praetorian guard 25ths the orange shit stain.destroying Iran is one of the things Trump is to the left of the US establishment on. these people are ALL hawks, even the trans officers that he fired. they will do anything to benefit Israel.
if anything this move probably guarantees they won't 25th him after the epstein shit since they're getting what they want(mass murder of Iranians and lebensraum for Israel).
>>2696636It only benefits the state of is real, but ur right.
>>2696400infrastructure spending is woke
>>2696641> they won't 25th himYeah, it's too late now. Every last one of them are partners in crime. He scraped the bottom of the barrel for lackeys and now they call the shots, er, bibi calls the shots.
>>2696636What are you saying, that would devalue the assets of the property owners and investment firms and the corporations sucking subsidies to pretend to do infrastructure projects.
You know what's more profitable than building a railroad?
NOT building a railroad for 20 years while still getting paid.
Capitalism "benefits" the western working class in the sense that capitalism PREVENTS anything better from being done, because making profit is not about solving actual problems. So it's true that under capitalism the western worker ends up relatively better off, but as compared to a system that SOLVES ACTUAL HUMAN NEEDS, they are being scammed.
Solving problems REDUCES profit. It's like the healthcare under capitalism problem. Stringing a patient along is more profitable than curing them.
Capitalism is not "productive" in any human sense any more, it's not the industrial revolution. It's just a system for repeatedly destroying use-values and rebuilding them again, just to keep the RELATIVE position of the bourgeoisie above the workers.
In principle socialism would repress capitalists as a class, but individual capitalists would also benefit. (look how happy jack ma is now)
Asking capitalists for a bigger share of the pie is a scam, it's tantamount to asking the slave driver for a bigger portion of slop and a warmer cot. Abolish the system and win bigly, don't settle for scraps
>>2696637Well tbf hindu indians are reactionary as fuck and have local imperial ambitions of their own, what with trying to culturally erase and absorb every nationality in india into the Indian(tm) national identity.
Just how the nazis establishing the "aryan" identity was effectively a civil war against other "Civic Germans", redefining "germanness" into a an effigy of the reactionary petty booj and their sensibilities.
>>2696648>Well tbf hindu indians are reactionary as fuck and have local imperial ambitions of their ownYeah and I'd also argue that India has a labour aristocracy and a communist party that has followed an identical path to the SPD. It's almost like none of these problems are unique to America, or even to imperialist countries.
>>2696646Like, if you propose to build 9001 commieblock districts and house everyone, how do you explain to the home owners that the value of their home is going to go to 0, effectively wasting their lifetime investment?
You better have a darn good argument for why that benefits them.
Call me an idealist but I think appealing to their most base, direct, short term material interests won't work, you have to offer them a vision, a project, a new, different, better future. Something that makes the spirit soar.
>>2696646I don't think slaves up in the us south could ask for anything. Soul food came from doctoring scraps. They used cloth stuffed into cracks of wooden shacks for insulation in the winter and made cots with feathers. The driver was only there to ensure quotas were met.
>>2696655True, the analogy I was trying to make I guess is if the slaves finally revolted and burned down the slave owner's plantation, had him at pitchforkpoint, and then said "we want warmer cots and wide brimmed hats to protect us from the sun as we pick cotton"
Imagine the slave owner's relief.
This is how it sometimes feel like when all that anger and discontent and outrage among the american public gets channeled into causes like "tax the rich" and "livable wage", "strong unions" and "affordable housing". Noooooo, you don't want affordable housing, you want to no longer NEED to afford a house, you want housing simply provided as a fundamental right.
>>2696626>class-in-itself and a class-for-itselfon no, not the hegel shit, i get so confused
>>2696657tbh I'm convinced Americans will never revolt against the bourgeois as a large scale political movement. the burgers are too stuck in the slave mentality of not wanting to make conditions worse for themselves, and you can't organize your way around it.
random acts of violence like luigi might be the only actual way to receive any concessions from the wealthy. making them fear for their own lives for that like 2 days when Luigi was on the loose is the only time in history I've seen them talk about fixing healthcare.
>>2696657Heh, fair point.
Now something similar happened with Red Cloud burning army forts but the army came back later for gold.
seems like the iran shit is actually happening huh
i wonder if it will be actual war or more clown world shit like the venezuela thing lol
>>2696660Maybe the point of the pudding is in the eating. Appetite comes during the meal.
If you ask the question of "how do we make it so that we have hundreds of thousands of luigis, and the threat and fear of prole violence an every day reality rather than a once a couple years event that gets memoryholed", and the practical answer to that starts looking a lot like a revolutionary communist org.
>>2696655i read a book about capitalism and slavery in the US and the overseers would actually divide and conquer the slaves by introducing competition. they would say something like "whoever picks the most cotton today gets a wide brim straw hat" and that would make all the slaves pick faster because they all wanted a hat to cool them off in the sun, but then this would allow the overseers at the end of the day to count the increased yield and be like "I knew you sons of bitches were being lazy, you picked way more than yesterday, that's your new quota." so one slave would get a straw hat, but then everyone would be expected to pick more based on the standard they set when they were unusually motivated because they thought they might get some relief in the form of something nice for once.
>>2696471DougWalkerAssaultsHomelessManInBatmanSuit.mp4
>>2696668>introducing competitionYeah, this got passed down through generations. My grandparents were sharecroppers in Indian territory growing cotton. My mother was larger and darker than her twin with prominent French genes, and if she didn't pull more she got a beating. I think this came from the guy who purchased my gr, gr, gr grandmother but it could've been from the Portuguese guy who purchased a Cherokee wife.
>>2696668such a problem is solved with education + harsh, authoritarian revolutionary discipline.
People already intuitively do this, where in prison those who collaborate with the correctional officers get harshly punished, or in the army where being a goodie two shoes gets you fragged.
Or even in the workplace where if you start working too hard and increasing the productivity standard, the other workers will "gently remind you"
>>2696664I suspect even with the entire US military they can't bring down Iran, at least not long term. It's a nation of 80 million people and the entire US military is only 2 million strong. How you gonna occupy a country that is just as mountainous as Afghanistan with double the population? Drones will be ineffective and air raids will be minimally effective and that's like 90% of the US military's standard tactics.
>>2696676maybe revolutionary orgs need to be run less like hobby clubs and more like mafias…
>>2696652>>2696628>yeah that's dumb, the revolutionary class is clearly peasants, because as been demonstrated by history>the reason there hasn't been a revolution for almost a hundred years is because peasants no longer exist after all the remaining agrarian countries modernizedMarx and Engels were writing at a time when it really seemed like the proletariat were going to be the revolutionary class because in 1840s-1860s England you had the conditions described in Chapter 10 of Volume 1 of Capital:
>16 hour work days>child workers>no protective gear>frequent injuries and death at job sites>low variety of foods which were generally non-nutrious adulterated with toxins>stunted and malnourished workers who died young>wages typically at or below subsistenceit was thought that reforms wouldn't carry people out of those conditions, and it didn't entirely, but it postponed revolution long enough that a lot of the worst working conditions were outsourced. Hence the constant reminders about the child cobalt miners in Africa and so forth. Because those are the people in the working conditions most closely resembling the ones Marx and Engels were talking about. But I do think Victorian working conditions do still exist in isolated pockets in the imperial core. In places like Dubai, with the Indians, in slaughterhouses in America where children have been found working. As imperialism collapses the imperial core petty bourgeoisie will fall back into the ranks of that classical proletariat of Marx and Engels's time. I really think that. So I have a kind of synthetic view that incorporates both your "third worldists" and your "first worldists."
>>2696679That would require discipline and dedication and if the DSA and similar orgs have been successful at anything it's completely eliminating all the militant Marxists that have actual insurgent experience and combat training and replacing them with starbucks drinking latte liberals that just want to protest rent hikes.
I think, as Americans, we must secure, like I am going to kill you, you little bitch. Like your consciousness will leave this mortal coil. I am going to kill you.
>>2696675My maternal grandfather was actually a sharecropper here in the USA as a child, because sharecropping continued in the south until the 1940s. He was born in the 30s and picked cotton with his mother in North Carolina until he ran away and lied his age and joined the army which you could easily do back then with some low level forgery of documents. He said he and her use to piss in the buckets of cotton when they were half full to increase their weight and then pile on dry cotton on the top. This made it seem like they picked more than they did and they got paid a little more for it.
>>2696682I don't know what I was trying to say beyond in all eventualities I am going to run up on you in every situation and put slugs through your brain.
>>2696677>I suspect even with the entire US military they can't bring down Iran, at least not long term. It's a nation of 80 million people and the entire US military is only 2 million strong. How you gonna occupy a country that is just as mountainous as Afghanistan with double the population? Drones will be ineffective and air raids will be minimally effective and that's like 90% of the US military's standard tactics.kulinski said they're gonna use tactical nukes
>>2696683Funny thing, my mother had over a dozen siblings and they all ran away, the uncles all joined the military and one lied about his age.
>>2696687was it around the korean war?
>>2696688Three of my uncles were in WWII, two in Korea.
>>2696689have you told them that they're babykillers yet?
>>2696691I didn't know them and they're all gone.
>>2696689damn, interesting. maybe we're related. I won't doxx myself though.
>>2696691>WW2>babykillerkorea, I understand saying that. but WW2?
>>2696687>>2696684>>2696682My loves, my real uyghas, like we can kill all them so easily. We just not have to kill them or do anything before the "indicting incident." Like they don't have any idea what's up.
>>2696685I'm not sure tactical nukes would be enough. You can kill the Ayatollah but what then? You still have 80 million Iranians who vehemently reject Israeli occupation and will wage a decades long insurgency to kill every Israeli and American in the country just like the Taliban. You can nuke Tehran a hundred times, ironically the people living there are the most liberal and pro-American Iranians. The rest of the country will still be there to kick the Americans out after the initial strikes. They very much can outlast the US unless something ridiculous happens like the entire Iranian regime turning into Gorbachevs.
This is why the Israelis panicked for peace with Iran last year. They had no real hope of "winning" but thought the Iranians would sue for peace after the shock and awe phase. When the Iranians didn't do that and instead struck back, they had no more cards left to play.
>>2696694this is true
>>2696695i hope you're right
>>2696679>>2696679but anon! that's infantile ultra left adventurism!
>>2696698if I ever saw a billionaire in real life I might actually just spontaneously do a PotD since my life isn't going anywhere anyway might as well use it for the cause. But somehow I've never seen one.
>>2696700Don't trip, keep your powder dry as they say. The main thing is we kill as many of them as we can over an extended period of years.
>>2696698>>2696700i honestly don't know why people haven't used drones to drop grenades on them yet. we know that works too. happens all the time in ukraine.
>>2696695they are probably assuming that removing Khamenei will break it into a clusterfuck of warring factions with massive amounts of civilian death plus a destabilizing refugee crisis bleeding into all the countries they want to colonize next (Syria, Turkey, Iraq)
>>2696703Where are you gonna get a grenade to drop on them?
>>2696704I think ur right. Hopefully it's a bluff.
>>2696704It probably won't turn out that way since Iran has a pretty strong administrative apparatus. It isn't Afghanistan. Unless they straight up massacre every single government employee.
I think the 20th century kind of convinced the Americans that they're invincible and their warfighting sense has deteriorated. Literally every time they drag the country into a war they try to convince us the regime is just a paper tiger on the verge of collapse and then it turns out war requires more than just bombing your enemies.
>>2696708If you purchase that stuff from legal means there's going to be a paper trail and you will inevitably end up getting apprehended, completely defeating the point of using drones.
>>2696703For what profit? We kill people for profit only and still we aren't that creative./
>>2696709>If you purchase that stuff from legal means there's going to be a paper trail and you will inevitably end up getting apprehended, completely defeating the point of using drones.true, true. you could probably make something homebrew. apparently gunpowder is easy to make in small amounts in a rural setting.
https://www.allthescience.org/can-you-really-make-gunpowder-from-urine.htm >>2696710>For what profit?Setup a hitman bounty crowdfunding site on the darknet and let the cartels/gangbangers/lumpens clean up the bourgeois to satisfy their own petty greed.
>>2696713any hitman who gets paid in crypto is just gonna run off with the bag and not do the job lol
>>2696713also a good 40-50% of "hitmen" turn out to be undercover cops. easiest sting operation ever. unlike a drug or prostitution sting you don't need to catch anyone in the act. simply soliciting the job is enough.
>>2696709I mean I am hoping that does not happen obviously. Trump doesn't seem interested in funding some long term insurgency or civil war, so the rally around the flag result seem more likely
>>2696711The problem with homebrew explosives is unless you're an expert you'll probably just kill yourself.
>>2696714That's easily solved by paying out only after the hit is confirmed and proof is posted that the person claiming it actually carried it out. Bounty hunters have existed for thousands of years, there's a process.
If anything the biggest risk is whoever runs the service being a glowie themselves. Darknet sites are notoriously bad at protecting the user's identity from the actual host server once the feds turn it into a honeypot. It becomes trivial to add malware or javascript that can identify a user.
>>2696715>also a good 40-50% of "hitmen" turn out to be undercover cops.Indeed but this is also solved by just not paying out until proof is confirmed. Of course they could still go out of their way to "fake" an assassination and have the mainstream media report on it, but it wouldn't really benefit the glowies to scam a few darknet posters out of some cash. Since the hitmen are not hired by the people running the site, nor do they work as a cohesive group or organization, there's no sting operation to be had unless the administrators are fucking idiots at opsec like the silkroad guy.
>>2696716Rally around the flag makes sense. Seems everything is a political stunt with this guy.
>>2696719something like 90% of Americans don't want a war with Iran, per the last poll during the Iran-Israel war. I don't think there will be a rally effect unless Israel sinks another American warship full of trans illegal immigrant billionaire sailors and blames it on Iran.
90% of Americans have weapons in the caliber to end your life you bitch. Like that's it. We are going to put slugs through through your brain matter.
>>2696614>>2696616Unlike a shopkeeper, none of those people have any fucking capital or means of production. Most of those people are artisans and YouTubers are actually workers as YouTube owns the means of production which can be withheld to discipline labor (banning).
Like dude…. I'm going to kill you. Like do you know what time it is? I'll kill your whole country.
>>2696722Americans as a majority definitely don't, but I doubt you could say the same of Congress. All of those decrepit ghouls have been marinating in the "axis of evil" bullshit for so long that when Trump does it their reaction is going to be "well it was inevitably gonna happen someday might as well get it over with under an already unpopular president" rather than "holy shit somebody needs to stop him before thousands die".
>>2696721Pass the dutchie pon the left hand side my uygha,.
>>2696490VS Naipaul was a house uyghur who begged to be seen as Bri'ish.
When we got our independence, he predicted that we will be a failed state within 5 years.
Where is Naipaul now? He's a dead boy.
But the Republic of Mauritius lives.
>>2696739>>2696740Uhghh, Chagos, like have I to come to residence and sort your brain matter through whatever.
>>2696741Speak simply, speak clearly.
>>2696741>Uhghh, Chagos, like have I to come to residence and sort your brain matter through whatever.to *you residence
>>2696729Being able to live in ur mom's basement for 3 years before your channel takes off enough to actually make money is equivalent to getting a liquidity injection from an angel investor
>>2696743I am going to strangulate you to death. Is that clear enough for you?
>>2696746Do it, yank. Do it.
>>2696747C'mere into my boundaries my love. Kisses.
>>2696747Where do you want to meet me? I'll meet you anywhere on Earth.
>>2696748gay, boy,faggot don't wan't none I'll go stomp out his Mauritian existence until he is a indistinguishable pile of mush,.
You bitch as Mauritian faggot. Come meet me in real life. We can do this.
Fine, fair enough, we need to kil all all these these white people. I am down with it.
>>2696752Anyways, I will strangulate the Mauritian faggot to death.
goddamn
Any faggot Say Mauritus wherever? I am prepared to pack up and strangulate that dumb faggot to death anywhere.
>>2696758>>2696758>>2696756]Real shit, I will strangulate that faggot to death..
>>2696761C'mere useless faggot, say some dumb faggot shit
I am going to detach your brain stem.
>>2696762My Chagos and all that. Don't worry useless faggot I'm going to do things to you.
>>2696752This is fucking hilarious,.
>>2696743Niega slept for like 5 hours just sleeps minimally and spends the rest of his time calling us shitty yanks, the drive the dedication
>>2696733Stop drinking. Be a better friend to yourself.
>>2696758Typical amerikkkan lumpen hooligan.
>>2696750meet me in the sewers at dawn
>>2696628the proletariat is the only revolutionary class against capitalism because of their position in production and the possibility to halt production. the peasants can try to halt production, but if there are gun factories, you know they'll be used to make arms against the peasants.
anyway, I think there's a lot of confusion about leninist tactics. the mass coalition of peasants + proletariat just means you have a people's uprising. it says nothing yet about its class characters. see 1905 russia - people's uprising, but led by the petty-bourgeois. further, the 'peasant' class does not exist in the west anymore, in any functional capacity. peasants are not subordinate to any lord, they are essentially petty-bourgeois. this is ever more clear in places like post-WP EE where the housing and land question was solved quickly and efficiently, which allowed the rise of a large quisling EU-petty/haute-bourgeoisie and political class in these countries
peasants are not revolutionary, but they can carry the uprising led by the proletairat. but there are no peasants in the west, so we have to think of subordinating the petty-bourgeois under the proletarian/worker movement. we should study the paris commune. lisargare's history of the commune.
daily reminder that the only marxist revolution in the west which held onto power for any amount time was the paris commune, yet this experience is completely ignored on its own, because we believe marx/lenin already incorporated the experience of the commune in their writings. not to diss on marx or lenin, both did the best with what they could, but we can do a bit more.
Bernie was a mistake. There is now a whole generation which calls itself communist when they are welfare state centrists at best.
>>2696802or here's a more contemporary example: the student rebellion in serbia was (up until march 15th and the switch to parliamentarism) a mass movement/uprising, and had social demands. but after march 15th it became a petty-bourgeois reformist movement. yet for a second, there was a mass movement with some demands for social change.
I still hate how much influence the redscarepod subreddit has on american art culture.
>>2696809It was also catalysed by the collapse of Novi Sad train station, if you've already forgot
>>2696822Supporting unqualified circumcists yet Trumpists chimp out when someone comes out as LGBT+
>>2696400People have been trying to say this for a while to deaf ears.
Bridges are gonna start collapsing real soon due to neglect.
For whatever reason, Amerikkka doesn't care about its problems and believes ignoring them is the solution. Our complacency will be the death of us.
>>2696802Why do you guys always forget about the lumpens
Imo a better csndidate then the petty bourgs
>>2696822That guy that spam posts about it got vindicated lmao
>>2696829lumpens are incapable of comprehending revolution
>>2696855>>2696828The burgers are fake and the propaganda-political circus is boring
>>2696597nothing will get better until the entire world unites against the American pedocracy and MAGA death cult, so let's get it over with
>>2696623the war on iran has nothing to do with Candacean retardation of ZOG. The war on Iran is the normal operation of American Imperialism, which has as one of its aims to maintain America's domination of the global trade routes, finance, etc etc… the
treat-supply in short. This directly results in the situation where you, an abject failure, still lives much better than the hardworking talented intelligent third worlder.
It is funny how you yank faggots think you are 'just one country among others'.
No, you are the undisputed bully. You are the only imperialist entity post-ww2. You are worse than Nazi Germany.
>>2696648>>2696650yank and canacuck scum talking about 'reactionary hindus' lmao
<another 500 posts of useless nothings and bickering
Death to Amerikkkans!
>>2696888first day on an image board?
>>2696896>>2696888Then welcome to Leftypol!
>>2696623>I'm waiting for chagosposter to explain to me how this is actually a treat and I as an American am benefiting from ZOG's genocide of Iran.NOT chagoposter but:
-Israel is the axis of MENA compradors and, along them, the seat of NATO power in the region.
-MENA hidrocarbons and red sea trade *are* the petrodollar
–(perhaps this has changed somewhat now that Venezuela is a US colony and Panama may close traffic to Chinese ships any day now).
-Therefore Anything you do for Israel you do for the continuation of the petrodollar
-Without which, NATO economies would *collapse* overnight
See also: liberal Zionism, the ZOG-ing of the right(including nazoids) and the existential treatment Israel gets from NATO.
Wall Street Journal editor-at-large Gerry Baker warned that New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s push to raise taxes on the wealthy will be "catastrophic" as the Democratic socialist clashes with state leaders over securing approval for his tax plan.
"This is socialism in action, this is the Democratic Party in action and the rest of the country's watching," he told Fox News Wednesday
Baker’s remarks on "America Reports" came after Mamdani renewed his calls to increase taxes on high earners, a sentiment firmly opposed by New York Gov. Kathy Hochul.
"What we are hoping for, what we will spend every day looking towards, is working with Albany to increase taxes on the wealthiest and the most profitable corporations such that a fiscal crisis is not resolved on the backs of working and middle-class New Yorkers," Mamdani said.
Baker noted the Democratic power struggle between Mamdani and Hochul will not work for the mayor if he wants his plans to go through, since his tax proposal requires her approval at the state level.
"He doesn't have the option to raise income taxes without approval from the governor," he said. "So, he's going to try and do it in other ways, raising property taxes."
Mamdani issued an ultimatum to Hochul Tuesday, vowing to raise property taxes by nearly 10% if she fails to comply with his income tax increase on the wealthy.
>>2696926Therefore everything NATO does in MENA, ti does to spare you the choice between revolution or collapse. To continue the present state of things where you get to have a currency with more monetary than fuel value.
>>2696931This is certainly national socialism in action, yes
>>2696926>>2696932morganfreemanhesrightyknow.jpeg
>>2696931>Mamdani issued an ultimatum>fucking raising taxes to like 10% is a ultimatumPorkies became soo soft after a century.
>>2696422>I mean thr bolsheviks did destroy tsarist russia snd made in its place "the soviet union">Same will have to be done with american there won't be "socialism in america", america will have to be destroyed first, and in its place a socialist country builttrue, except a lot of the anons here be like
>>2696888>death to amerikkkansinstead of death to amerikkka
and if we notice, it's
>bickeringbut if they respond, it's not
>bickering prince Andrew arrested. the brits are doing (ever so slightly) more about their epsteinocracy than we are
>>2696948The brits are dealing with less contradictions
Can you believe it guys?
War with Iran, just a week away!
War with Iran in a week!
Woohoo!
I am so happy about this information!
The east african drunkard talks to himself. Go easy on the bottle, shityanks.
>>2696763>>2696926>Therefore Anything you do for Israel you do for the continuation of the petrodollar>Without which, NATO economies would *collapse* overnightIf the US and China ceased all trade tomorrow it would probably crash both of their economies. Does that mean China "benefits" from imperialism? You're basically trying to argue that imperialism "benefits" American proles because it's necessary to preserve the status quo. But that assumes the status quo isn't shit, which it is.
>inb4 I get some Stephen Pinker tier lecture about how great neoliberalism and capitalism is for Western proles, how they've never had it better and should stop complaining >>2696413>35k/year is third worldAmericans.
Your orange retard will use the chagos base to bomb iran into the stone age and you subanimals are concerned with internet drama
You crayon-eating lead-drinking beyonce-worshipping apes must be beheaded for the good of humanity
Actions taken by amerikan 'leftists' following epsteinite revelations: zero.
Actions taken by amerikan 'leftists' following ICE goonery: zero.
Actions taken by amerikan 'leftists' following Maduro's kidnapping: zero.
You elected your dickrider mamdani and you declared great socialist victory.
You fired instagram artillery against zionists in the Great Electronic Intifada and you declared victory. Nevermind the 100k+ dead people of Gaza.
Every Amerikan is worse than Himmler and Hitler combined. And worst of all are the third world house uyghurs who gladly move their and lick the asses of the yank, those who sell their own mothers for 2 dollars and then look down on actual communists outside amerikkka.
>>2696967It is when rent is 50% of that.
>>2696970Ile de coin counter protest status?
>>2696973Under control of your fascist army and you will do nothing about it because you are a collaborator.
>>2696967Yes we know $35k goes a lot further in imperialized countries. At that level you have to rely on multiple incomes of others to manage to live in an apartment in burgerville. And two people making that little can only afford an apartment in burgerville's hinterlands.
>>2696975Imagine throwing a molotov at the boat that resuplies mandarin imagine doing anything at all
> when they are on the internet
> we will bayonet your anus you imperial scum
> when he can do something irl
> you are a dumb shitty yank for expecting me to get off my ass and do something
>>2696980Lumpen uyghur tactics
>>2696967the dollar is worth more outside the US than inside of it
>>2696983Lmao didnt you say you where going to kill a random tourist now its from lumpen uygurs?
< Mamdani says his new homeless encampment sweep policy is diff than past sweep policies cuz of the 7 days of outreach before booting ppl from encampments.
<"Their 3rd, their 4th, their 5th, their 6th reaction may be one of interest in the possibility of shelter services," he says
lmfao
peak capitalist boot with a human face
>>2696983Last thread you told people bomb walstreet but (you) wont sabotage a boat
>>2696956>>2696993but anon is right. the dollar is "worth more" (i.e. has more purchasing power) outside the US than inside of it. You can buy way more, idk, eggs for example, with 10 usd in guatemala than you can in the USA. It should actually be understood as one of the advantages of US imperialism, but it's also quickly eroding due to countries dumping their dollar reserves, combined with money printer go brr, changes in interest rates, inflation, and deficit/debt. As it becomes more and more of a liability to hold USD, countries will dump more and more of their dollar reserves and the process will accelerate. I think we will see US hyperinflation in our lifetimes. Perhaps even of sort seen in places like Weimar Germany and Zimbabwe.
>>2697007Amerikan leftists must sabotage their own imperialist entity.
>>2696994Yeah this is ass. The only consolation here is that leftists in NYC are pretty much united in being extremely upset with him between this and reneging on the library budget and are threatening to split if he doesn't change course. Either way radicalization is the order of the day.
>>2696822There's been attempts to ban circumcision in some European country before but it got shot down for antisemitism.
>>2696834I mean it's a pretty blatant contradiction that these religious conservatives not just allow but celebrate actual genital mutilation on kids but then decry "gender affirming care" as castration (when it's usually like counseling and using preferred pronouns).
I don't really get why people think the circumcision topic is a distraction or not relevant to the whole Epstein discourse. The point of it is that treating children as property to be "customized" or disposed of by the "owners" is deeply rooted in our culture. People really want to believe that the billionaire child rape island is "not who we are" but it's the ultimate expression of who we are as a people.
I've been thinking of concepts for a film that would be the cultural equivalent of a nuclear strike against the enemy.
I want the climax to be a graphic depiction of the president and his family being brutally raped then burned alive. I think the story could revolve around a conservative who voluntarily offers his child up to be raped and killed in a snuff film produced by Epstein, for the president, need to develop a good motive for him doing this. But I think if done right, this film could cause a real war, and kill millions.
>>2697012Lumpen uyghur tactic
>>2697013until the next election cycle and leftoids all tell you to vote for the next "promising progressive figure" like theyve been doing for the past decades
>>2697015how would you get such a red pilling film out there ? the whole cultural apparatus is rigged.
>>2697019Probably just post it on X the everything app ig
>>2697010>I think we will see US hyperinflation in our lifetimes.Definitely.
>>2697018The vibes have shifted, Mamdani was the last chance
>>2697022It's entirely possible that Epstein was involved in both the 2000 election being rigged and 9/11
>>2697023i also hear this every election cycle, and not only in the US mind you!
>>2697025There's not even a remotely leftist option in our upcoming general elections and the Biden administration has made clear that the Dems will do nothing to prevent another Trump, so realistically the only option is revolt
A Coca-Cola distributor is facing sex discrimination allegations following a corporate networking event that excluded men, the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has announced.
The case marks the agency’s first lawsuit over workplace diversity-focused programs since President Donald Trump took office, and the first one to claim that events of the kind are unlawful.
In the lawsuit filed on Tuesday, the regulator stated that Coca-Cola Beverages Northeast violated federal law when it hosted a two-day women-only event for about 250 employees at a casino in Connecticut in September 2024.
“Coca-Cola Northeast privately invited female employees and then excused the female employees, who attended the event from their normal work duties on September 10 and 11, 2024, and paid them their normal salary or wages without requiring them to use vacation or other paid time off,” the suit reads, highlighting that the company did not invite any male employees to the event.
Coca-Cola Northeast, which is owned by Japanese Kirin Holdings, has not commented on the lawsuit. Coca-Cola multinational is not a defendant in the case.
>>2697024So all these conspiracies happened so a bunch of sex offenders could keep sex offending. Seems reasonable honestly.
>>2697024>>2697036I think that imperialism is heavily tied to human trafficking and sex trafficking.
iron felix was right about you parasites
no wonder he is banned, left-imeperialists do not tolerate communists
>>2697027There will be unironic AOC and even Gretchen Whitmer shills here all next year and 2028. Either way No left option and the disastrous two years will be a recipe for decades to happen by 2029
>>2697052>article was AI generatedlmfao
the chapo fags were saying the jmail creators deserved a pulitzer lol
the thing is fucking useless hahaha way to render the whole batch of emails non credible and therefore useless. jfc
>>2697046Chagos post be like
>americans are a narcisicist so.lemme throat the mosy narscicist american on the internet >>2696440Luckily, that's the world's easiest physical dependency to fix: just steel yourself and go cold turkey for four days et voila
>>2697051i kind of hope the DNC blatantly goes rat mode on AOC and freezes her out, she is a shit politician who will lead the movement into a ditch. it's unclear if she actually knows what socialism even is, or maybe she uses the label in bad faith to sheepdog. It's more useful for her to get fucked over and get people to see that the path to a better future involves no longer dealing with the democrats as any vehicle to get there.
>>2697052The wonders of “ai” technology.
>>2697052I think its because it was never communication TO trump.
Stil fake and ghey.
>>2696975>nothing about it because you are a collaborator.Does that make you a collaborator too?
Posting on leftypol isnt something
>>2697067All the real juicy stuff that implicates trump clearly hasmt been released
>>2697069we also don't have the Epstein files in the Treasury Department.
Why do 3rd worldists always criticize others innaction and do nothing themselves
>>2697069And it will never be released.
It sucks being a prisoner of this demiurgic world.
>>2697076Because inaction is the entire point of their movement. The entire premise is that action is pointless and fake and gay and its only legitimate if it's suicide by cop.
>>2697036Sex trafficking minors is just a side hustle and enabled through the game of bourgeois power politics
>>2697078Third worldists live rent free in your head.
>>2697083The previous threads speak otherwise
>>2697069>>2697077the whole thing is a stupid fucking spectacle. nothing will come of it because the people at the levers of power have decided it (and they're shameless) and normal people aren't really bothered by it and have bigger concerns. it's just a morbid show for the depraved USAnian masses.
but it's a great distraction. how many years have news outlets eaten off this shit? couple thousand more pdfs get released and the whole thing is being discussed again for months drowning out all other news. it's awesome. people can't help themselves. they're not disgusted by the crimes. they're fascinated by them.
>>2697083No they just infest this thread and constantly obnoxiously make any productive discussion impossible. If they would just shut the fuck up and fuck off I'd never bring them up again.
>>2697083You can see it gets to the treatlerites and the truth hurts
>>2697087Well maybe you two should just get a room (you and I) and be done with it already!!
>>2697096Okay but I'm a strict top.
>>2697103Umm actually sweaty the Euro-American split is fake and the Western camp is more united than ever!
> be anon
> live in the 1st world
> post on leftypol
> do nothing, or maybe protest a little
>complicit in genocide
<be anon
< in many cases live in the 1st world
< post on leftypol
<post america bad and accuse other peoplevof being secret democrats, and be a crybully for the most part
< do nothing irl maybe some protests
< authentic and great revolutionary
Please keep putting "politics" and "pronouns" in entertainment. I love seeing retards seethe over it.
>>2697111<be anon< in many cases live in the 1st worldJewish nigger, I'm a 2nd worlder migrant worker in the first world. In Europe. I'm like the European Mexican.
Long story short: suck my dick.
>>2696397The military junta is allied with the us
>>2697148If by 2nd world you mean Eastern Europe then those mfs are often more anti-communist than the average firstie.
>>2697076Are the CPC “third worldists”?
>>2697148you're a welfare state recipient? makes sense actually
>>26971482nd world is ussr and allies warsaw pact is gone
>>2697161No, they do be doing nothing but they do nothing as well
>>2697111Being correct is of great importance
>>2697146sky is blue, study finds
>>2697171Europe includes non-imperial core countries like Romania, Ukraine, etc. where cost of living is much lower. $35k in Bulgaria and $35k in France are very different figures.
>>2697171bro your cost of living
>>2697148New rule if you live in the imperial core and your life situation is better than someone living in south central la you get 0 3rd world points if your situation would get 0 sympathy from chagos poster if you told him that you live in amerikkka you get 0 3rd world points
>>2697078How about suicide by ccp
>>2697189we are such a cringe country lol
>>2697190That would require them to care about something outside of their borders. Then again we just got visa free travel to China so I suppose leafs and bongs can just go to them.
>>2697201Lol americans are scandalized by their own average income, which is already highest in the world
It's an insult for them to be the highest earning country in the world, they think they all deserve 6 figures for a minimum standard of living
>>2696566https://nypost.com/2026/02/17/us-news/zohran-mamdani-to-unveil-122b-budget-fueled-by-proposed-nyc-property-tax-hike/Not even 2 month in and Ziohran is raising taxes in new yorkk workkers. Fell for it again. All who ever support ziohran are fascist who hate working people
>>2697214Ppp is a cope, statistical trickery to pacify the exploited 3rd eorld
>>2697146It's more likely that musk just held the door in for conservatives on 4chan an d reddit
For smericans, living anywhere but the metropoles of califotnia and new york is brneath them, so all purchasing power is compared to beverly hills and manhattan by default.
Living in a mid size town in Iowa? Beneath them
>>2697217no it's just a reflection of which currencies are hegemonic and which aren't. the more hegemonic a currency is, the more it is able to purchase outside its own borders (good for the bourgoeisie) and the less it is able to purchase inside its own borders (bad for the proletariat). 10 USD will buy more eggs in Caracas than it will in Washington DC. This is good if you're a porky importing shiploads of commodities, this is bad if you're a US worker buying food from their local grocery store.
>>2697223>For smericans, living anywhere but the metropoles of califotnia and new york is brneath them, so all purchasing power is compared to beverly hills and manhattan by default.
>Living in a mid size town in Iowa? Beneath themthis is bait, right? do you think the midwest USA is empty?
>>2697216If FBI pretending to be "third worldist" is actual wrecking tactic, then amerikan really are hopeless fascist pigs who cannot be redeemed
>>2697225No, i mean that Midwesterners act like temporarily embarassed new yorkers when it's time to cheat at oppression olympics against third worlders by comparing salary to cost of living
>>2697076You entitled swine. It is not third world job to liberate you from you own government. Fascist amerikan pig love their government and their bourgeoisie
>>2696855Living in the current moment is a double edged sword:
on one hand the normie public is more aware of how disgusting the ruling elite are, class consciousness is much higher than it was in like 2007,
But also we live in the dark times. AI slop, police state shit.
I just hope something meaningful comes from all this.
>>2697227higher cost of basic necessities cancelling out higher income isn't really oppression olympics, just math.
>>2697158HU(nger) -> GER(money)
>>2697159Off-/side topic. Google "better red than unfed".
>>2697162I'm burning picrel generated calories (estimated) every workday (Mon to Sat) for 1500 EUR (max), while the avg. German prole wouldn't even dare to touch this shit for less than 5000 EUR, you cynical vegan/fat labor aristocrat (potential NEET)…
I'm literally the embodiment of "ploretarianness" while you shit on me online (and IRL) while pretending to have sympathy for my class for "leftist" points. I'm
the communist prole working in your country ensuring that your first world CUNTry's labour aristocracy gets its food cheap.
You may now bow down and kiss my naked (foot-fungus infected, Burger King foot lettuce number 50 feet, Jesus-style.
But anyway, the most vomit-inducing thing is that your project your OWN parasitic status (welfare-ism) onto me, a worker who can't fucking sleep cuz that's how much my back is killing me thanks to your WUNDERBAR country!
Thx, boss! Enjoy your cheap food!
>>2697166I'm not sure if I disagree with this post or not. Anyway, we have a based 2nd world poster somewhere around the corner so I'll invite him to post his usual webm….
>>2697183Perform 1 hour of productive labour in your life before you open your yapper.
Just one.
I'm waiting.
>>2697216derailing what? warhammer discourse?
>>2697246LOL, sry, posted the comparison pic instead of the original, sry.
This is my calorie burn in Germany, paid 1500 EUR per month (=LESS than min wage).
Fuck my life, lol
>>2697103Massive thirdie scrambling
>>2697256Parasite pretending to be The victim, etc.
Get a job.
And now for this thread to go up in flames instead of actual conversation….
>>2697265>And now for this thread to go up in flames instead of actual conversation….it's not a deliberate effort though, how dare you think that
>>2697247i gave a concrete non slop example earlier:
> 10 USD will buy more eggs in Caracas than it will in Washington DC. This is good if you're a porky importing shiploads of commodities, this is bad if you're a US worker buying food from their local grocery store. >>2697246>Google "better red than unfed".Sorry! "Yandex it!" (Russian alternative,) cuz Google now bans all prosocialist tesults!
Fuck "imperialist" Russia, tho!
>>2697246>Off-/side topic. Google "better red than unfed".I'd say it's pretty on topic. If you're angry about German proles for being reactionary labour aristocrats then what does that say about workers in your own country, who are reactionary for the love of the game? This is why the constant seething about labour aristocrats makes no sense. It would be valid if workers outside of the imperial core were actually class conscious, but for the most part they're not.
>I'm burning picrel generated calories (estimated) every workday (Mon to Sat) for 1500 EUR (max), while the avg. German prole wouldn't even dare to touch this shit for less than 5000 EURWhat exactly is your point here? That German workers should accept worse exploitation than they do? That they should allow porky to push them around more?
We should absolutely tell burgers that under socialism they will own nothing and be happy. It'll win them over for sure!
>>2697269Are you retarded? Voting for reactionary parties =/= reactionary populace.
Example: 80% of Drumpf voters are now disillusioned with His Majesty's presidency. Were they fucking "reactionary" when VOOTING for Trump and now suddenly fucking progressives now that they hate him?
Are you even a fucking Marxist, you, clown, you public joke, you?!?
Do I need to spell it out for your Canadian drooling ass?
>>2697278they don't want to win you, they want you to die lol. they openly say this
>>2697269>What exactly is your point here? THAT I'M BURNJNG TEN TIMES THE CALIRIES FOR TENTH OF THE WAGE THE LOCALS WOULD EVEN CONSIDER DOING THIS JOB FOR, YOU DENSE LABOUR ARISTOCRAT FART-SMELLING IDIOT!KYS
>>2697279>Are you retarded? Voting for reactionary parties =/= reactionary populace.So where is the evidence of class consciousness among workers in Hungary? Where is evidence that they are organizing, forming a worker's movement, etc.? What is there to indicate that they are in any way less reactionary than workers in Germany?
>>2697284So you're saying German workers should let themselves be pushed around and exploited more?
>>2697284> I'M BURNJNG TEN TIMES THE CALIRIES FOR TENTH OF THE WAGE THE LOCALS WOULD EVEN CONSIDER DOING THIS JOB FORif you're making 1/10th the average wage of a local and burning 10x the calories doing it you should quit and find a new job. chances are you'll make 10x more and work 1/10th as hard. but i suspect you're doing hyperbole here.
>>2697287>So you're saying German workers should let themselves be pushed around and exploited more?duh. it's a see saw. one worker goes up other worker goes down. it's that shrimple.
snicker >>2697287>So where is the evidence of class consciousness among workers in Hungary?Retard, look with your own eyes:
>>2697268
>So you're saying German workers should let themselves be pushed around and exploited more?Parasite, I'm telling you, from first hand experience, that German workers enjoy cheap food because our cheap labour.
Get a fucking clue.
>>2697044Sex trafficking is known to be tied to imperialism. The traffickers take advantage of displaced and desperate people.
>>2697293Reading comprehension, etc.
Americans, etc.
Americans. >>2697302so you're
not actually working 10x harder for 1/10th of the local average wage in your area?
>>2697297>Retard, look with your own eyesThat graph is from 2007, its almost 20 years old. More recent polls show exactly the opposite results.
>Parasite, I'm telling you, from first hand experience, that German workers enjoy cheap food because our cheap labour.Of course, and obviously both German and Hungarian workers should neck their respective ruling classes so that both can enjoy both cheap food and high wages. But why are you angry that Germans wouldn't do the work you do for the low wages being offered?
>>2697299>The traffickers take advantage of displaced and desperate people.Bruh, not even that. They just outright steal them, buy them from their desperate parents while young, or offer them unrealistic conditions and steal their papers on arrival.
>>2697246>>2697246If a worker from el salvador doesnt get to complain about his conditions in amerikkka when he gets thrown in a detention camp for labour disipline because he left the 3rd worldto become a treatler shitty yank that you dont get to about your life in germany, i dont make the rules
>>2697305Do you understand that you are being made fun of due to the fact you are obviously not able to parse simple sentences?
Asking for a friend (a human).
>>2697250lol thank god /usapol/ is fucking graced with the CALORIC DENSITY of MEXICAN EUROPEAN anon; however would we further advance our understanding of the international proletariat without the CALORIC INTAKE of EUROPEAN MEXICAN anon
>>2697309>both cheap food and high wagesHow can someone be making food that another worker can buy for cheap, while at the same time having high wages himself?
This is contradictory
>>2697320>How can someone be making food that another worker can buy for cheap, while at the same time having high wages himself?Because all the revenue that would normally go to feed capitalist parasitism could now be given back to the worker even without a change in prices.
>>2697309>Completely different pollFuck off, little-American.
You as a Canadian might enjoy being celebrated as a genius among literal 70 autism score burgers, but you will always remain a mental midget on the old continent. Don't believe me? Just come over here for a vacation and get fucking grilled for life, lmao.
>>2697325Yes, but *after* that, once a new world average wage is established, how could one prole have cheap food while the prole who makes his food has high wages?
>>2697316The post EXACTLY outlines how YOU CAN NOT become yor avg first worlder by coming here, you subliminally retarded….
American.
>>2697309>Of course, and obviously both German and Hungarian workers should neck their respective ruling classes so that both can enjoy both cheap food and high wages. But why are you angry that Germans wouldn't do the work you do for the low wages being offered?you know they aren't going to answer your question and you know they're going to repeat the rigmarole about you being a parasite. why even bother with this website anymore? it's cooked. It's just a place for LLMs and glowies to smear shit on the walls.
>>2697328The workers wage isnt the only input to food prices
My main defense against the "9/11 inside job" conspiracy shit is that you guys are too retarded to pull it off.
The fucking KGB's assessment of the CIA was the same, mind you: incoherent, chaotic, borderline-insane, therefore unpredictable.
>>2697331Chagos said ice are revolutionaries so if german police throw you in a camp torture you and send you back they are doing good work per chagos the no 1 enemy of treatlerism
>>2697326>>Completely different pollThe first one is also a Pew poll as well isn't it? This is just an updated version by the same polling organization. Also similar polls have shown a majority of former GDR residents also express similar sentiments regarding their own communist past, so again I don't see any evidence that Hungarian workers are more class conscious than German ones.
>>2697328>Yes, but *after* that, once a new world average wage is establishedThe new average that would be established would be a high one while prices would be low, and only get lower as automation improved productivity and reduced SNLT. Marx's entire point is that modern industry makes it possible to abolish scarcity, it's only the capitalist mode of production that creates it artificially. Quite simply it's not a zero sum game once you have established socialism. The way treatler posters talk seems to indicate that universal prosperity is impossible, but this is simply not true and is ironically enough a bourgeois Malthusian notion.
Wrong everyone who arrives at the 1st world, has an amazing life feeding those outside the golden billion no one outside of cobalt miners have legitimate complaints
>>2697336I honestly don't disagree with this assessment, bro.
>>2697337I'm literally having ALL the conversations, you scum.
picrel is funny and 90% tru
Get fucking bent, lmao
>>2697246>im opressed i work fast foodLmao i used to work on trail crew in the summer i doubt your job was harder than mine and i made below minimum wage
Theres always someone that has it harder than you so if you wanna pull the "none of you know what its like to blahaha " you can fuck right off to budapest uygha
>>2697349It's non-contradictory, you idiot.
I shouldn't become a fucking migrant worker to be able to live. I was born into a country that raised me, paid for my education, etc. but I can't live there because of the effects of imperialism.
So yes, kicking my country out of the EU would be a net improvement. I don't want to be here, yet I have to.
The very implication that you imply that somehow I should be glad that I can work here as a migrant is peak fuckin nazi
>>26972463rd worldists be like
>barrista arent proletiarian… because 1st world bicoastal elites or somethingBut also be like
>i work fast food in germany i am the proles you oppress >>2697359Austro hungarians….
>>2697354>The logical conclusion of [idiotic shit I made up] is to do diotic shit I made up]Americans.
I'm ML, fyi. >>2697361>>2697250Do fast food workers in Burgeristan typically burn 5000 calories a day??
Americans.
>>2697367What is your occupation exactly?
>>2697363?????
Engels on Magyars.
History 101.
Americans.
>>2697367you burn 5000 calories a day just at a fast food job? you might have cancer dude. get checked if you can.
>>2697367Maybe if they are moving boxes for inventory all day or something
>>2697350>picrel is funny and 90% truok so you do want a confession. why are you mad at this being pointed out? it's what you wanna hear.
>>2697367<It is the endurance athletes, such as cyclists, swimmers, marathon runners and rowers, who top the calories consumed list with between 3,000 and 8,000 a day, because of the distances they cover, according to US Olympic nutritionists before the London 2012 games.
<Team sport athletes, in sports such as basketball and soccer, consume anywhere from 3,000 to 4,500 calories a day, while sports such as sailing and kayaking require fewer calories at 2,500 to 3,500 per day.My dude is claiming his burger flipping job is in the same ballpark as Olympic endurance sports.
>>2697369Order picker at a -23°C warehouse in Germany. You drive a car, basically, arrive at your destination as told to you by your PDA, and pick as much articles as soon as possible (=picking max 30-60kgs) at one time and arrange it on your palet. You do this 2000 times a dayz and you add up in your head your daily picking was like 5000-7000 kgs lifted.
That's it.
All of my colleagues who have been doing this for a long timevare visibly deteriorating, like they show me pics from 1 year ago of themselvesz and they look 10 years younger. That's how bad this shit is.
Our teeth are rotting from the constant temperature change, dude. It. Is. That. Bad.
Not a single colleague who's been doing this job for more than 2 yrs.
We are literally fucking dying here for a very few moneys.
>>2697239Wrong. Sakai wrote about how settlers consider many luxuries like dry cleaning cars and telephone as necessities. Real wage indexed to bread loaf has increased as national nomonal rent falls, yet the imperialist euroamerikan swine squeal for more of luxurues they shouldnt have. This is because bourgeois luxuries are antagonistic to necessary articles of consumption—more treats mean more proles starve. The treatlerites want more treats like computer sticks no matter how many prole starve
>>2697379i told him he has cancer if he's really burning that many calories a day but he is being dismissive
>>2697388Okay i retract the burger flipper comments, sound rough anon, we have a lot of people who itt who have worked hard an easy jobs, both 1st and 3rd world and we should be focused to making things better for those who have to work if we cant manage symbolic online solidarity how can we manage irl solidarity when things get hard because the people at the top will try everything to devide the working class.
>>2697395seriously, get checked for cancer. it's not normal to burn that many calories a day at a fast food job.
>>2697399he has no solidarity with you. he sees it as a see saw. when you go up he goes down and vice versa.
>>2697371Museolini Hudini, put your trip back, lmao.
Better, hold a single job for more than 2 months w/o resorting to e-begging.
>>2697392I bet sakai bought some great treats with the fbi cointel pro money
>telephones If you have a job where you need to be reachable is it a luxury?
>dry cleaningNot a necessity for me but if someone works a job where they have to show up with a certain appearance then it is
>cars If you live somewhere you cant get around anywhere else?
>>2697399>we should be focused to making things better for those who have to workSocdem BS.
It is thanks to migrant workers like myself that your food is priced as such
No compromise.
You can suck my dick.
>>2697392Also if a telephone is a treat how come you are posting here ?
Internet acess is a treat too.
>>2697410Is getting your dick sucked a treat ?
>>2697404i'm not houdini. I have held a stable job (not fast food) for 14 years. I'm telling you it's not normal to burn 5000 calories a day flipping burgers. get checked for cancer.
>>2697250>>2697367>>2697379>>2697398i think it's just being mismeasured, shit job regardless
>>2697375Wrong. Osama was holy warrior of oppressed peoples. Afghanistan now free as amerikans cry about him and the oppressed billions
>>2697411>le 2006 time traveler anonAmerican big brains at work.
>>2697388Really sorry to hear that comrade. I've done some organizing with migrant workers before, but from what I understand migrants from EU countries have a relatively secure status in their host countries due to Schengen. Here they're mostly Carribean and LatAm farmworkers that can be sent home and blacklisted on the whim of their employers, making any kind of organizing nigh impossible. Your boss can't deport you on a whim can they? Your residency status isn't tied to your employment correct? If so, have you talked to your coworkers about organizing?
>>2697410>No compromise.you're gonna compromise by keeping up the treat supply for us insted of going on strike lol
>>2697415describe operation cyclone, wrongschizo
>>2697415afghanistan now free of socialism thanks to CIA and Osama's Mujahideen lmfao
>>2697417Everything you thought about Schengen is wrong, to be blunt and short.
Everything.
Schengen is a piece of bourg paper.
>>2697416>>2697416People on here say fruit from a grocery is a treat so even if the internet is cheap and everyone has it where tou live to be consistent it will be labeled a treat
>>2697417Also, I shit on your fake empathy.
I prefer this poster:
>>2697419 >>2697429What makes you think it's fake?
>>2697429If you like people being mean to you online just say it
>>2697411Wrong. Not euroamerikan. I use hauwei.
>>2697431That your ilk materially benefits from me dying a little every day.
>>2697432I like honesty. If honest is mean, so be it.
"Singleness of purpose."
>>2697431he's just admitting that he's trying to make you fed up with him so you say something mean so he can screenshot it and use it as "proof" of the confession tof treatlerism
>>2697435>That your ilk materially benefits from me dying a little every day.No I don't, because your low wages sustain the profits of my class enemies, and the exploitation of your country sustains a system that constantly attacks my class interests. The division between migrant and domestic labour is especially pernicious because it allows for downward pressure on the wages of both, whereas solidarity between migrants and natives would improve the bargaining power of both.
>>2697439why do you keep feeding them. are you in on it?
>>269743690% of humanity would not last a single day at my job. It's a fact, bro.
There was this Extreme Jobs™ series on Discovery that included my job.
What are we even talking about, you baiting retard?
>>2697440I'm both a masochist and autistic.
>>2697444I see. I have an autistic child. I'll have to keep an eye out if they take bait like this later on.
>>2697439My low wages are also expressed in lower consumer item prices your ilk enjoys, you giga-retard.
>>2697446>file name>artisinal gold minermy god, where are the nat booj
where are the means of production
>>2697446I mean as long as we're doing oppression Olympics it might be worth pointing out that Hungary barely qualifies as a non-imperial core country anyway. If it's all just a question of relative poverty then most Hungarians could arguably put in the treatler camp. Their lives are far more similar to people in Germany than those in Sub-Saharan Africa.
>>2697448i finally get it. i have accepted my treatlerism. you never need to post again.
>>2697451a good bit would be taking a pic of the most bombed out detroit slum and comparing it to some of the best architecture in serbia or something.
>>2697446Bruh, look up sulfur miners, it's worse.
>>2697448No, they're expressed in high profits for your employer, who is my class enemy. If you hanged your employer and took control of your workplace you'd be able to enjoy much higher wages without an increase in prices.
>>2697455Yeah i saw that, that shit looks rough, small hope thhey have gotten some ppe since that documentary in 2017,
>>2697458Those clouds in the picture are hydrogen sulfide gas
>>2697443>90% of humanity would not last a single day at my job. It's a fact, bro.Everybody with a hard job thinks this tho
>>2697452>I prefer the sources of my affordable treats to be hidden from my sight- average German in 1943
>>2697468pretty sure hungary would count as imperial core, being part of the EU proper and all
>>2697456>>2697456You. Benefit. From. Me. Dying.
Accept. It.
Iran status? Are you guys going to war or what?
>>2697470actually i would benefit from you living because you live to give me treats. if you died who would give me treats? get back to work. i chain up my slaves so they don't jump off the boat
>>2697458Yeah bro, they keep mining that sweet sulfur because they lack YOUR resolve.
That simple.
>>2697470Idk what sort of brainworms need to have to think this way, but I'm sorry your job sucks so hard Anon. If your coworkers ever manage to organize I'll happily donate to the strike fund.
>>2697463As I said, mine is not hard, it is extreme.
>>2697476Im sure there are people in this thread who also have extreme jobs
>>2697470You. Benefit. From. Me. Dying.
Accept. It.>>2697436
>>2697475Again, I spit on yor "empathy."
You benefit.
Accept the fact.
>>2697474glad you understand
>>2697483i benefit from you living. accept it.
>>2697473 >>2697471build up has continued, USS gerald ford is by gibraltar, attack on saturday night maybe?
>>2697479Let's hear them!!!
Surely, leftypol is NOT known for being overrepresented and moderated by literal fucking NEETs and office workers from 5eyes countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2697479i mine lithium 20 hours a day and get paid in elonbux
>>2697489You heard him boys what do (you) do for work?
>>2697484I can't accept what isn't true. My liberation is dependent upon yours, whether you like it or not. I'll keep helping to organize migrant workers were I live. Obviously that won't help you directly but maybe at least some of the lessons we get out of that struggle will be applicable to your situation.
>>2697490Everything you said is correct 💯.
You benefit.
Acept it.
Hey guys im an oppressed worker and instead being mad at my boss or captialism im mad at (you) this (you)r fault
>>2697496I dont own a business
>>2697495You aren't just Canadian, you aren't just autistic, you are outright retarded.
Which part of the
>cheap labour = cheap productsequation did you not understand?
Kt's like 2+2=5 with you guys.
>>2697499>I don't buy productsAmazing, tell me more
>>2697502You dont either right…?
>>2696967maybe 15 years 35k was graet. 35k a year is shit for the average burgerrican.
>>2697503I
make them, you stupi shit,
for you. >>26973359/11 inside job narrative is not realistic because you don't need psy-op to convince americans to bomb and invade another country
>>2697507>>2697509This uygha just started reading the thread from top and replying.
He's in for a ride, lemme tell u dat
>>2697501>Which part of the cheap labour = cheap products equation did you not understand?I already addressed this though. If you expropriated your workplace and had control over your own surplus then you could significantly increase your wages without increasing prices. The point of keeping your wages down isn't to benefit German workers, its to increase profits. Even the low prices themselves are more about maximizing the available market than pacifying anybody.
>>2697467>calls us fascist >will probably vote for 1488 ss veteran party because he saw an african man the trainI think this is the same guy who cried about Hungarian nazis getting bashed by western European tourists and called it imperialist violence.
You know "muh cost of living" is a cop
e because if you offer an american to move to a third world country where the ration between wage and cost of living is the same as in the US, WITHOUT keeping their US superwages, they won't.
Meanwhile, thousands of people will save up their 0 purchasing power currency for years in order to arrive to the west penniless and suffer under their oppressive cost of living, lol.
They like pretending that the cost of living is just a net drain, and not just payment for nicer living standards, and the right to not get bombed.
>>2697224YOU are the porky importing goods for cheap. Aside from fast perishable food and services, 99% of what you consume is imported from abroad.
US treatlers, mouth covered in chocolate, fat belly protruding:
>it's hell for workers here in the west, our rate of exploitation is even higher than the third world, we must organize and demand higher wages from our capitalists
In the background:
>thousands of starving brown people willing to risk drowning, dehydration, heat stroke, getting trafficked, being arrested and disappeared, etc., just to do menial labor in the west
>>2697511why aren't german workers in germany get paid as little as immigrants if capitalists only short sightedly care about extracting profit?
>>2697516Tell it the guy in Germany
>>2696493>Why would prices skyrocket? If third world workers cut out their own porkies then they can vastly improve their lives without any increase in commodity prices. If the Americans simultaneously hang their exploiters then any increases that do happen can be offset by income increasesBecause most of the surplus extracted from the third world is not absorbed by third world national bourgeoisie, but by the first world.
And "simultaneously" here is doing a lot of heavy lifting. If the third world cuts out their bourgeoisie (which is also the first world bourgeoisie), the price increase will not result in international solidarity, but rabid americans demanding that the means of production be taken back again
>>2697508And then you consume 0 water food toiletires clothes goods and services?
You know, the funny thing about liberal conspiracy theories, is that USians will eventually lose. And by then not only would have they brought home the NGO industrial complex to do glowops and takeover government services… But all the other powers will too, be sticking their grubby fingers all over their "civil society".
So the schizo liberal conspiracists of today will be the ones joining Dengist backed color revolutions before the end of it.
>>2697516They're retards for still believing in "streets paved with gold".
I'm leaving you doubters w this pic.
It's me after 2 hours every day, 4 times a day, doing my comfortable job, lol.
Suck my dick imperial-core labour aristos, especially Americans who uphold this system.
This is the traumatized face of a migrant worker in the EU (your colony) without having had developed so called "PTSD". I'm getting freeze-fucked every day for LESS than minimum wage so that you imperial-core fuckers can save 20 cents on your frozen pizzas apiece.
How could there be solidarity between us if one of us is a net producer while the other net consumer?
And no, you fuckers, I'm not this spooky "Third Worldist" boogeyman you made up in your head. I'm merely a Leninist from the second world, and I'm cleaning your toilet, building and maintaining your houses, and yes, occasionally even flipping your fucking burgers.
Me getting LESS than your country's legaly proscribed minimum wages does in fact contribute to you being able to afford a better life for the price of me having a worse life.
Enjoy, faggots.
Screencap this, etc.
>>2697515>You know "muh cost of living" is a cope because if you offer an american to move to a third world country where the ration between wage and cost of living is the same as in the US, WITHOUT keeping their US superwages, they won't.
Because leaving the country is also expensive. And there’s the process of having to adapt to a new cultural landscape.
>>2697528why are then third worlders, for whom moving is even more expensive with their low wages and weak currencies, and experience the same cultural adaptation, willing to undergo the reverse process?
>>2697525>imperial-core labour aristosYou mean your self Hungarian?
>>2697517Because they have a robust labour movement that fought for concessions (and also successfully established a proletarian state over 1/3 of the country) and remains strong enough to defend them.
>>2697521>the price increase will not result in international solidarity, but rabid americans demanding that the means of production be taken back againAnon, the entire edifice of imperialist propaganda is designed to obscure the exploitative relationship between the first and the third world. In order for what you're suggesting to be true then would have to essentially reverse this and admit that America is a colonial empire, in which case most Americans would likely oppose it on principle like they opposed the intervention in Venezuela.
>>2697533>ex-soviet<labour aristosWhat happened in the eastern bloc, btw? Did the Eastern bloc countries privatize Americand and French factories or the other way around?
Are you legaly retarded, btw?
I know we have an autistic Canadian who throws around empathy (he does and can not have), but parallel universe retardation is next level.
>>2697538uygha your in the eu
>>2697536>Because they have a robust labour movement that fought for concessions (and also successfully established a proletarian state over 1/3 of the country) and remains strong enough to defend them. Absolute self-congratulatory cope, the GDR was CRUSHED, the unions were easily dismantled, the german left is completely impotent.
The bourgeoisie easily defeated those oh so stronk rawr unions when they wanted to.
capitalists are capable of destroying entire countries and socialist superpowers, they think they're afraid of a few larping plumbers? don't make me laugh
>in which case most Americans would likely oppose it on principlelmao.
LOL!
yeah sure, humans are driven by "morality" and "principles" and not material interests.
>>2697532Is it more expensive though?
>>2697541Does underpaid labour result in cheaper and more competitive products, y or no?
ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONRegarding the rest, I made it explicit: "I'm a Leninist."
What else do you want to hear, you parasite faggot? Do you actually think that I, as a Leninist, have some kind of secret crush on the bourgeoisie?
Are you fucking retarded, for real?
My personal hero is fucking Dzerzhinsky, you idiot.
>>2697541first world international bourgeoisie are mere administers of money, the capitalist class has already withered away, all their tacky trinkets like sports cars, cruise boats, etc. are a drop in the actual mass of value that flows into the west from the third world.
america has reactionary socialism: all the spoils of empire centrally planned and distributed to the first world """worKKKers"""
>>2697525Damn, must be rough being a gay male prostitute. Hell of a blow job to have all that cum in your beard.
>>2697540First world european labor aristocrats
>>2697545>Does underpaid labour result in cheaper and more competitive products, y or no?No, read Marx.
>>2697543>The bourgeoisie easily defeated those oh so stronk rawr unions when they wanted to.And yet German workers are still capable of defending the concessions that they've won. The only alternative is if you unironically believe that porkies are paying them high wages and keeping their benefits intact just to be nice.
>capitalists are capable of destroying entire countries and socialist superpowersThe socialist superpower destroyed itself.
>yeah sure, humans are driven by "morality" and "principles" and not material interestsThen why did a majority of Americans oppose the intervention in Venezuela?
>>2697545>Does underpaid labour result in cheaper and more competitive products, y or no?The combination of underpaid labour and low prices results in high profits. Simply seize those profits from your employer instead of getting angry at other workers because they aren't as exploited.
>Regarding the rest, I made it explicit: "I'm a Leninist."Then why is all your anger directed at other workers instead of your exploiter? Why do you reproduce their narratives about the necessity of underpaying migrant labour?
>>2697525>>2697525Phone
Treatler alert
Hey guys i workin Germany and my boss is german so heres how america opresses me
>>2697548Are Georgians first worlders by the mere fact of being on the continent called Europe? Are all EU members enjoy the share of the "plunders of imperialism" (Lenin), or are there actual value transfers going on inside the EU, between countries?
Two rather simple questions you can answer, for sure.
(I, ad opposed to you, can actually post the empirical data, lol.)
>>2697555If you ate in nato you are in imperial corps
>>2697550>The combination of underpaid labour and low prices results in high profits. Simply seize those profits from your employer instead of getting angry at other workers because they aren't as exploited.You are OBJECTIVELY avoiding answering the question as it is in your class interest.
>>2696407This goes with my theory that the most backwards and decaying empire has the most revolutionary potential.
>>2697525>mad at Americans <lives in the E.UOkay so you’re just a seething euroid. If you really wanted to stick it to us American pigs. How about pressure your government into stop being cucks? It would actually be super helpful to American communist if U.S imperialism was actually resisted from the outside. Euroids have the best opportunity to do that, please… PLEASE get the EU to ditch the U.S. please rebuild Nordstream instead of importing LNG and burning coal from the Rhineland like retards.
>>2697555The point is that Hungary is not a third world country. Hungarians can and do buy cheap commodities due to the superexploitation of the third world. According to your own logic this makes them beneficiaries of imperialism.
>>2697562>>2697563Do you work on a military base?
Euroyangutangs…
>>2697558I don't know how the answer can be any more clear. Your boss underpays you so he can make more money, not because he wants to be nice to German consumers. If he could get away with both paying you peanuts and charging obscene prices he would. If you want to solve this problem all you have to do is reappropriate the surplus value he extracted from you.
>>2697555Georgians arent in the eu and you arent georgian
>>2697550>porkies are paying them high wages and keeping their benefits intact just to be nice. They're bribing them not to revolt. And the western working class accepts the deal
>Then why did a majority of Americans oppose the intervention in Venezuela?They don't. They oppose the barbarity of the method.
In principle they're not opposed to "venezuelans" "rise up" against their "evil totalitarian regime", and *then* we can steal the oil.
Look at the eve of iraq war if you wanna know what americans really think about the third world.
It was the geopolitical equivalent to crackers lynching an entire black neighborhood because a slave robbed a white man.
>>2697561>>2697561>The point is that Hungary is not a third world country.Where did I argue otherwise, you ass? I've CONSISTENTLY said that my country of origin was sexond world, or if you preferz imperial-periphery. Consistent economic data shows that the imperial-core is MASSIVELY benefitting from leeching off of such countries, albeit to a lesser degree than with third world proper countries.
You are seriously retarded.
>>2697565Answer the fucking question, you parasite.
>>2697568>They're bribing them not to revoltAre they? Because people in third world countries are paid much less and they still don't revolt.
>In principle they're not opposed to "venezuelans" "rise up" against their "evil totalitarian regime", and *then* we can steal the oil.Yes because this is a narrative that can plausibly be spun as something other than imperialism. It's impossible to spin the shit Trump did in this way. If Americans are all completely aware of how their empire works and knowingly support it, then why does imperial propaganda constantly work to exploit this fact, even when directed at their own population?
>Look at the eve of iraq war if you wanna know what americans really think about the third worldThen what happened?
>>2697510not the same people. and yes, people visit the thread where they last left it after leaving to work, sleep, shitpost elsewhere.
I do that on the regular basis, lel.
>>2697570The simple answer is no. Low prices are caused by market forces, SNLT, etc. The purpose of low wages isn't to lower prices, its to raise profits.
>>2697569Okay but that doesn't refute my point. If I benefit from imperialism because I can buy cheap commodities made with third world labour, then why aren't people in your country beneficiaries of imperialism despite doing the same thing?
The alien headlines do seem show up at conviently distracting times
>>2697575>obama may have given classified information>and aliens aren't realhe's senile
>>2697577Because hes not america, europe is a contienent that has never even though of imperialism
I mean theres value transfers in between american states and in between classes but you we are all personally responsible for. What ever problems you have
I wonder what imperial core national will bitch at us next
>>2697574<When u go neolib analysis just to be able to avoid facing hard factsYeah broz "market forces" raped my mom. It's just supply and demand!
Get the FUCK out with you evoking Marxist terms like SNLT directly after.
SNLT literally involves the labour force being able to reproduce their labour power (eating, shitting, sleeping) and the less variable capital costs the capitalists, the cheaper they can sell their goods (competitiveness).
If you as a capitalist employ a 100 workers and pay them minimum wage vs. a capitalist who employs a 100 workers for less than the minimum wage, whose product can be sold at a lower price, you literal fucktard in denial?! Which one is more competitive?
Please consult "the market forces" before answering this simple question, you mind-broken retard-of-a-parasite.
>Reduced to their simplest theoretical expression, all our friend's arguments resolve themselves into this one dogma: “The prices of commodities are determined or regulated by wages."
>I might appeal to practical observation to bear witness against this antiquated and exploded fallacy. I might tell you that the English factory operatives, miners, shipbuilders, and so forth, whose labour is relatively high-priced, undersell by the cheapness of their produce all other nations; while the English agricultural labourer, for example, whose labour is relatively low-priced, is undersold by almost every other nation because of the dearness of his produce. By comparing article with article in the same country, and the commodities of different countries, I might show, apart from some exceptions more apparent than real, that on an average the high-priced labour produces the low-priced, and low priced labour produces the high-priced commodities. This, of course, would not prove that the high price of labour in the one, and its low price in the other instance, are the respective causes of those diametrically opposed effects, but at all events it would prove that the prices of commodities are not ruled by the prices of labour. However, it is quite superfluous for us to employ this empirical method.
t. Marx
>>2697571People in those countries are disciplined with direct imperial violence.
And they *are* revolting as we speak, it's just that they for now decided to ally with their natbourgs to oppose the western bourgeoisie. And protracted conflict between states doesn't look so flashy as a revolution, it looks like deals, negotiations and economic maneuvering.
It's a pretty simple scheme: since the bourgeoisie read marx, they donderstand that proles are dangerous, so they ship the mop to the third world and keep them away with bombs.
Meanwhile they dull the proletarian class character of their local people, putting them in service jobs, giving them stocks, land, and some luxuries. They turn into a mishmash of not quite prole not quite bourgs, this conflicting class interest paralyzes them
>what happened nextAmerica continued raping and bombing the rest of the world for 20 years, with little to no opposition from the american public.
Maybe americans are just o allah we are weak, and can't do anything about their porkies, but would at least support the third world prltecting itself from their bombs like the dprk did?
Nope.
"If iran attempts to defend itself from our bombs, we should bomb them" - american proles
>The third worldist retard lives in the imperial core sucking off the teat of German social welfare
Many such cases!
>shit-tier bait
Americans.
>>2697420>>2697422Defensive operation against fascist russian monopolist social imperialism. A true global united front against fascism
>>269759
EUROCUCKS.
>>2697590>People in those countries are disciplined with direct imperial violence.Yes when they actually revolt, which in most instances they don't. Like, you understand that most third world countries are essentially just liberal democracies right? Moreover most of them don't have any significant communist movement, and not because there is any mass repression against them but because communism simply isn't popular.
>And they *are* revolting as we speak, it's just that they for now decided to ally with their natbourgs to oppose the western bourgeoisie.So in other words they have fallen in line behind their ruling classes just as Westerners have, its just that their bourgeoisie have some progressive potential due to their antagonism with imperialism. This isn't evidence of an increased capacity for independent working class organizing.
>"If iran attempts to defend itself from our bombs, we should bomb them" - american proleshttps://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/trump-iran-strikes-poll-cnn-ssrs >>2697595Dude, fuck imperial-core EU countries whose foreign policy is occupied by the US, BUT THEIR POPULACE STILL HAS A HIGHER DUKEN lQ THAN ANY BURGERISTANI STATE'S
>>2697597Well clearly arent sending their best to post here
To be fair, arguing with A M E R I C A N S will never be unfair. It's like beating a child with Down-Syndrome
>>2697497Every time amerikan try exonerate themselves they humiliate themselves. The national bourgeoisie in third world is ally to third world working people against the imperialist settler euroamerikan bourgeois epstein klass bloc.
>>2697602We arent talking about thst right now we talking about the hungarian whos crying about how.hard hisn life is
>>2697587>If you as a capitalist employ a 100 workers and pay them minimum wage vs. a capitalist who employs a 100 workers for less than the minimum wage, whose product can be sold at a lower price, you literal fucktard in denial?!But why would I lower my price if I can just keep them the same, pay my workers less, and increase my profits?
>>2697602>>2697606I think these guys believe In class collaboration so much that they can't imagine porky not making this better for proles
>>2697605*suspense electrnoic jam*
AMEEEEEERRRRRICAAAAA
>>2697602Not. In most countries in most nations its the 3rd world bourgeoisie being vassaliized by america
>>2697608I do think it's funny that they like to accuse everybody else of being Nazis when they're the ones who actually subscribe to their beliefs. They believe that national affinity overcomes class antagonism to the point where first world capitalists simply distribute their superprofits to their workers. They then believe that all nations exist in constant struggle, a zero sum war of all against all in which universal benefit and prosperity is impossible.
>>2697515But you have to think about us poor amerikans. We live in belly of beast. When evil fed wrecker Third Worldist say we benefit from imperialism that makes them guilty of supporting imperialism because third worldist pointing out crime is greater crime than crime itself in settler brain.
Tariffs are driving up our cost of living. We dont have free healthcare. Rents are rising. Wages are plummeting. Food we cannot afford. Unemployment is critical. Im not going to cite data for any of this just copy paste marx as nonsequiter to justify funkopop
>>2697216It really depends on what the TWist is advocating for and what actions they wish westerners to achieve. If they want sabotaging factories and sit ins at ice compounds to prevent them from capturing more people, their genuine. If they say go storm the capital right now now now then their either stupid or feds.
>>2697602So what do i do?
>>2697614>that makes them guilty of supporting imperialismYes, actively reproducing bourgeois narratives about imperialism is supporting imperialism. Telling people that it's in their interest to support imperialism is supporting imperialism.
>>2697575Dawg Trump is implying he could prosecute Obama for yapping about aliens this is the stupidest of all possible timelines.
>>2697618Telling proles the truth about their conditions is better than lying to them.
You keep flip flopping between bourgs lying to westerners that imperialism doesn't exist because then the oh so noble westerners would stop doing it, and saying that telling them that imperialism benefits them would make them immune to further reasoning
>>2697612But americans are the ones from whom nazis stole their homework.
And nazism was never eradicated in europe either.
So yeah, average unconscious western liberal is s nazi by default. And their cojntries continue enacting generalplan ost to this day
>>2697644>Telling proles the truthYou're lying to them though. You're telling them lies that serve the interests of the ruling class, that they should be happy and grateful to their rulers who are benevolent to them. Honestly this thread should be filled with people discussing how we can organize opposition to the impending attack on Iran. Instead you mfs are in here telling us why we should support it instead. Your movement is objectively pro-imperialist because it actively discourages opposition among imperial core workers.
>>2697647>But americans are the ones from whom nazis stole their homework.Yup, and now you're stealing it from the Nazis.
can someone make a new thread already
Does Kyle Kulinski citing /pol/ threads live mean he's /here/ or no?
New thread
>>2697662some art people have no sense of restraint or respect for the limits of their medium regarding taste
>>2697525>TWist is not actually third world but in europei fucking TOLD you guys
>>2697662combating fascism one choreography at a time.
>>2697556underpaid workers results in more profit. Technology and division of labor results in cheaper products by decreasing SNLT.
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