So we hope or we doom?
war sucks
>>2712712Thats a great song, based Red Krayola enjoyer.
>>2712704what are the objetcives?
>>2712721
why are we assuming it's either?
Re-posting this here just cause it's interesting and provoked discussion. Drone or jet?
>>2712688They fly solo when there's zero AD or an enemy airforce.
>>2712683True, I guess.
>>2712727where was that video shot? why are we assuming it's either a drone or jet?
>>2712726What else would it be?
>>2712729Near Tehran. Intercepted by Iranian AD.
>>2712731how do we know it's near tehran? we don't see anything hit whatever is falling in that video. how do we know?
>Conflict in the Middle East: Macron convenes a defense council at the Elysée | AFP
zamn. i guess iran is firing missiles at paris
>>2712739It was hit earlier. Why would it be falling like that?
>>2712729Here is my reasoning for why I think it's an aircraft. 👉
>>2712634I guess we'll have to wait and see till there is daylight to inspect the wreckage.
We'll know whether this was a nothingburger if the Irani don't parade it the next morning.
So Iran is actually raining hellfire on everyone? Based
>>2712743was it? how do you know? is there another video? how do we know it's near tehran?
>>2712752Bruh uygha quit acting stupid
>>2712755what? because i don't take your word for shit? jfc
people can post any old clips here and claim they're whatever and you dumb motherfuckers will eat it up without question
>>2712754any outside iran, though?
>>2712758Well this one ain't either of those. It's in Persian, consistent with the time of day there and isn't from the previous war.
A missile landed in the countryside of Damascus, there are casualties.
Our correspondent from Damascus reported that an Iranian missile hit the town of Ain Terma in the countryside of Damascus in response to Israeli defense systems. According to initial reports, there are casualties and extensive damage to a building.
The reporter reported that ambulances rushed to the scene to transport the injured and provide the necessary assistance.
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that the UK has approved a US request to use military bases in the UK for “limited and defensive” operations targeting Iranian missile depots and launch sites.
In a recorded statement, Starmer said, “The only way to stop the threat is to destroy the missiles in their depots or launch pads.” He stated that the U.S. requested permission to use the bases for this specific and limited defensive purpose, and that they granted the request to prevent Iran from launching missiles into the region and targeting civilians.
The Prime Minister said that British fighter jets were also in the air as part of coordinated defense operations and that, within this context, “Iranian attacks were successfully thwarted.”
>>2712776
iran NEEDS to kill the jordanian royal family and call on palestinians in jordan to take the country
>>2712639>Not gonna pretend like there aren't infiltrators in these organizations, but replies like these promoting this to the chief issue are so tedious and boring. No, your favorite organizations didn't collapse because of CIA/Mossad/FBI infiltration, they collapsed under the weight of their own internal contradictions. External forces are never the director of change, even when they have harmful effects. Infiltrators can hurt, but it's never the killing blow or greatest harm. Lifting up infiltration to be the chief issue undermining any revolutionary struggle is to throw out dialectical materialism for vulgar conspiracies.The ironing of you trying to act like I am detached from reality. Dude you are so high on your own farts. I'm really tired of these posts that say absolutely nothing but just throwing out buzzwords.
>organize!>internal contradictions>revolutionary struggle>dialecticool>undelectable Like why write just a string of nonsense?
>>2712777I doubt its the diaspora and more The Zionist Entity stovepiping curated intelligence to the whitehouse and Trump personally. id bet anything the fat retard has prioritized zionist intel over US and Euro+, lmao.
>>2712775will this save kid starvers approval?
>>2712716I don’t think they have any.
>>2712760I dont think there are any outside Iran.
Not that it matters though. Fatwas issued by Iran have pull. It did motivate attempts at killing the author of the Satanic Verses after all
>>2712775all america has to do is to wave the carrot on a stick of "killing third worlders" and europe will fall in line like puppies. so much for 'fehlinger doctrine'!
>>2712789>I dont think there are any outside Iran. there are shias in iraq, pakistan and the gulf… including the most important ayatollah sistani of iraq
BREAKING: Initial reports of an Iranian missile or drone strike at Akrotiri Airbase, Cyprus, which houses British forces and aircraft
>>2712794True i forgot about sistani.
J think there were some rumors of Sistani issuing jihad, but i dont think anything has happened yet
>>2712799I bet he means there either are more and announcements are staggered or some are currently critical.
Honestly, it's amazing to see what can be kept alive, i dread to see what horrors are wheeling around tel-aviv care hospices.
>>2712775i bet all the redditers are fuming at sir keir for not doing enough, and maybe there's a couple who are like he's doing the best job he can in a really difficult situation
>>2712775Wasn’t there a big hubbub about him saying they won’t let the U.S. use their bases to invade Greenland? The hypocrisy is expected but doubly funny.
>>2712812The impression I’ve seen online and in person is no one wants this war. Starmer and Trump are just the farce to Blair and Bush’s tragedy.
>>2712775trump got stitched up by bibi and now starmer is getting stitched up by trump.
starting this was such a dumb move. they had them at the negotiating table, running the clock favored the seppos.
breaking the peace fucked that, now Iran's best move is to go beast mode and smack every comprador regieme in the region. they were already calling on the US to pacify Iran, now their defense deals look like trash and their markets are in freefall. The US's best move was to not let things get hot and grind down Iran.
Now Trump's best case scenario is that the US loses Israel by exiting the region, worst case is the US ceases to exist as runaway spending on their bloated armed forces and internal conflicts rip their empire apart.
>>2712775..?
Oh, right, Cyprus. Wait, Cyprus? Is the situation on US bases that bad?
Reported Attack on Cyprushttps://nitter.net/ME_Observer_/status/2028232395946971512If true, this is the base where the Israelis are hiding a lot of their airforce and a hit there would be a significant achievement for Iran
Re the post in the last thread talking about more realist types not approving of this: let's take off our leftist/anti interventionist hats for a second and evaluate this conflict using the rules that Biden's admin set for going to war (as best as I can remember them, I'm at work and a brief google search didn't bring them up)
>1. Does the govt have the American People's support for going to war?
Lol, lmao
>2. Does it benefit the US?
Well, it benefits Israel, and I guess that's all that matters at the end of the day, right?
>3. Does the intervention have a plausible and clear goal?
The goal (regime change) is certainly clear, but not plausible. So long as it's only limited to air strikes, the Iranian government will stand, and the American people have no appetite for an occupation after Iraq.
tl;dr even from a very pro American perspective this is fucking stupid
There was never a plan to destroy 7 countries after 9/11 culminating with Iran. This is actually just because Netahyahu has blackmail of Trump fellating Epstein o algo
Sorry to any ziggas ITT but the Iranians treating the US 5th Fleet HQ like it's the Black Sea Fleet is fucking cracking me up
>>2712852It does have american strategic interest, it is to encircle China and sabotage the beld and road project
I thought iran had trump blackmail? Where is it?
>>2712858The amount of online leftists who believe the US has no material gain from imperialism and are simply duped into it by jewish tricknology and Epstein blackmail is staggering
What are the odds that China makes a play for Taiwan in the near future? Seems like America is expending a lot of its air power and munitions trying to fuck up Iran and the coalition seems otherwise distracted.
>>2712862Being against aggression by both Russia and the US is the morally consistent option. This is a world of barbaric superpowers and upstanding micro nations.
>>2712833Ehhh, I see this whole thing as the final stage in their plan they started in Trump's first term. This Abraham Accord thing was truly masterful. All the Arab states are firmly in the bag with Israel now. I guess from what we're learning this year, the Saudis seem to want the Iranians gone as much as the Israelis, I don't know what the Saudi-Iranian talks the Chinese brokered were really about, maybe it was always part of the rouse. But yeah, the longer they let Iran exist, the more chances of them getting out from the sanctions and pariah state status. Also it's not a coincidence IMO that Assad got got relatively soon after the Ukraine war. The Russians are tied the fuck up up there, so they can't help out Iran too much. Also Trump only has until the midterms to be able to pull this off so smoothly.
Basically, it was now or never for to finish the Iran regime change project. Also, you can't look at US foreign policy through the lens of "what is best for America's interests as a whole" because there is no America. America is just like 20 corporations and lobbies in a trench coat. There are the factions that want Iran gone and that's all they give a fuck about.
>>2712723I was thinking that the way to go is bombing data centers
hasan's analysis is really caught up on popular discontent forcing the hand of Israel/USA to stop their aggression. how naive. public opinion doesn't matter for shit.
>>2712872None? Why would they unnecesarily flare up hostilities in a population they plan to govern, if they can just swallow them up economically?
>>2712866it takes 10 days to drive from shanghai to berlin. on roads the us can't drive an aircraft carrier up to. you blinked, belt and road is done.
>>2712874>morally consistent optionlol nobody cares
go be cannon fodder for banderites for moral consistency points
>>2712875is there anything interesting in that article as to why saudi wants iran gone?
>>2712875> maybe it was always part of the rouse. But yeah, the longer they let Iran exist, the more chances of them getting out from the sanctions and pariah state status. Speaking of too. Suspiciously, I was following news about Syria before that final overthrow came out of the blue, all the headlines about Assad and Syria was that the Arab States were starting to normalize relations with him and were getting tired of the perpetual war. That might've had something to do with the swift ending. Also on that note, I think people think in really simplistic terms when they're like:
>Hahaha the US isn't winning! They haven't even managed to overthrow the regime and install in their puppet.I don't think they care about that as much as people think they do. I think forever wars is what they consider the best outcome. Like I was just saying, if the Ukraine war somehow ended on whatever terms it ended on, even restoring the full territorial integrity of Ukraine, that's not as favorable as Russia being indefinitely tied up there and losing more manpower all the time too. Just think of the US government as warmongers in the purest sense. The more war = more better. Stability and development would mean that a country could become strong enough to throw off their yoke.
>>2712893the NEH era will be officialy over when nukes are used, before that is just business as usual
>>2712833>Now Trump's best case scenario is that the US loses Israel by exiting the regionAnerica and Israel are attached to the hip so that will never happen. The US is going to stay in this conflict to the very end.
Shit is bleak in Europe, only Spain condemned Israel/US, mumbling something about international law and then Germany was mad and answered "not the time for that". So long rule based order.
BREAKING: ROCKETS FIRED FROM LEBANON TOWARDS ISRAEL. HEZBOLLAH CHADS HAVE ENTERED THE FRAY
>>2712897And for the non-spectacle brained idiots - when, not if, an American carrier is sunk, that's the point of no return.
>>2712889https://archive.is/Sw5GuNothing too specific.
>President Donald Trump launched Saturday’s wide-ranging attack on Iran after a weeks-long lobbying effort by an unusual pair of U.S. allies in the Middle East — Israel and Saudi Arabia — according to four people familiar with the matter, as Israeli and U.S. forces teamed to topple Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei after nearly four decades in power.
>Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman made multiple private phone calls to Trump over the past month advocating a U.S. attack, despite his public support for a diplomatic solution, the four people said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, continued his long-running public campaign for U.S. strikes against what he views as an existential enemy of his country.
>In his discussions with U.S. officials, however, the Saudi leader warned that Iran would come away stronger and more dangerous if the United States did not strike now, after amassing the largest military presence in the Middle East since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, said the people, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive situation.I mean, I think it just makes sense. The Saudis are already fighting "Iranian proxies." The Saudis want to be the kings of the Middle East and that is complicated by a strong Iran that has its own interests and the ability to go after them. Also the Sunni Shia thing of course. Probably want to weaken the Shia portion of the Muslim world as much as they can.
>>2712893It's so stupid to call 2022 the return of history. History had returned at the latest in 2001
>>2712906no nukies = all in on NEH, its that simple
>>2712905beat me by 30 seconds
why doesnt this shit ass site have emotes or anything
need to drop a sadge
>>2712904Europe is pussies. In the past it made sense but with their giant buildup you'd think they'd try their power a little but no. They're still afraid of everyone
>>2712910Fukuyama's "end of history" is basically the West ruling forever, and bombing the Rest whenever they feel like it with no consequence.
Russia shooting back, does, in fact, ruin that idea.
>>2712920this is a post-source community
>>2712908https://rocketalert.livethere are rocket alerts in the north
Reminder China has 600 nukes.
>>2712925I agree with the gey nazi flag poster that this is IDF. I remember way back when there was a false alarm that Israel was striking Iran. This was one of the first accounts to start posting that fighter jets were over northern Iraq.
Trump’s latest speech shows his ‘desperation’
Trita Parsi, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, says President Trump’s latest comments on the US-Israeli attacks on Iran show his “desperation”.
“It is very clear that Trump has tremendous difficulty finding a justification for this war of choice that he has embarked on that actually will work with his base… If this goes on for another week or two this is going to become a political disaster, so now he is suddenly, desperately, is using all kinds of justifications,” Parsi told Al Jazeera.
Earlier on Sunday, Trump told the Daily Mail newspaper the conflict with Iran could last for four weeks. Parsi said this is likely an attempt to send a message to Tehran, despite the lack of support for the fighting in the US.
“He [Trump] has already reached out to Tehran offering a ceasefire. The Iranians have rejected it and I think he [Trump] has come to the conclusion that his eagerness to make a quick end to this war has signalled a weakness and the Iranians are going to try and take advantage of that and will not agree to a ceasefire until they have inflicted significant pain on the United States,” said Parsi.
>>2712875>but muh midtermsthis is going to turn into a quagmire that goes on for years and puts the oil market into chaos. the midterms aren't going to happen. or they're going to happen under the supervision of trump's brownshirts.
trump can't effectively weigh the interests of these factions and this is why he's leading the world into disaster.
>>2712932The Germans out producing the US in ammunition despite their tiny defense budget should show you just how much graft exists in the US MIC.
>>2712905I texted my friend complaining that hezbollah is dead like 20 minutes ago lol
>>2712932I have trouble believing Cuckran would kill burgers, did they forget to warn the ameticans the drone was coming? Israeli false flag?
>>2712940what if all the final warnings worked and that’s why they never attacked
>>2712947would this have happened under kamala?
>>2712957Not the guy you're replying to, but it sure as hell doesn't matter now. Trump's in the White House, and is there for the next three years.
>>2712936Huh? I was just saying this would be harder to start after them potentially once they no longer have the House. From another standpoint, this war might make the midterm situation worse for the Rs, who knows, but it's just this is the best opportunity they have to get this started for the foreseeable future.
>trump can't effectively weigh the interests of these factions and this is why he's leading the world into disaster.Yeah I mean he's in super heavy with the Zionist clique. Besides that, he's grown up on the same R propaganda. Iran is the perpetual bogeyman. He even invoked the fucking 79 hostage crisis again. They're never going to let that one go as long as there is a boomer alive that remembers it. Of course he wants to go down as the President who finally took out the top dog of the Axis of Evil that they've all wanted gone for half a century now.
I also think he's retarded and thinks this level of bullying will help him honestly get a deal or something. Actually, he just has no idea what he wants. He says "rise up and overthrow the regime" in the same speech as "these attacks will force Iran to accept a deal." Trump is almost irrelevant to analyze because he has conflicting internal opinions let alone the fact that he's mercurial.
What is up with that Bolton thing btw? Lol. Need to read up more on that and why Bolton is coming out against the thing he's been working his whole life for. I guess people were suggesting that it's because his MEK patrons don't like this regime change route for some reason, but I don't understand why they wouldn't, this seems better for them than the status quo even if it's not perfect for them.
>>2712962I mean Trump has put them in a situation where it's impossible for them to make a deal with him and I don't know if there is any intention on his part or he is just literally too stupid to realize that.
Evening recap
Events are still unfolding rapidly across the Middle East, so here's a quick recap:
>The death toll from the US-Israeli strike on a girls’ school in Minab has climbed to 165, according to the city’s prosecutor.
<At least 20 people have been killed in a US-Israeli attack on the Iranian capital, according to Iranian state-linked media, marking another deadly attack in the widening assault on the country.
>Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has dismissed US President Donald Trump’s warning against retaliation, vowing that Tehran will place “no limit” on its right to defend itself after what he described as massive US-Israeli bombardment.
<The US military says it has hit more than 1,000 targets across Iran since launching its war on Saturday.
>The US military says it has destroyed the headquarters of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in a large-scale strike.
<President Donald Trump has suggested that Israeli-US war on Iran could continue for up to a month.
>Haaretz reported that roughly 200 buildings have sustained damage in the latest wave of attacks.
<The United Kingdom has agreed to a US request to use British military bases for what Prime Minister Keir Starmer claimed are “defensive” strikes on Iranian missile sites.
>All crossings into the Gaza Strip have been closed until further notice, Israel’s military agency overseeing the occupied West Bank and Gaza, Cogat, said on Sunday, following start of the Israeli-US war on Iran.
<Petrol prices across the United States are set to rise above $3 per gallon on Monday for the first time in more than three months, as the US-Israeli war on Iran disrupts global oil flows and shocks energy markets.
>>2712869The only thing making them left is that they are not right
>>2712935If Iran actually does back down, they are going to look like the ultimate cucks who will take any beating, even after losing their leader to this, and just say "yes sir, please, more." Let us see if there is a cuckening in a week or so and this is just some spectacle to calm down their masses.
>>2712869>how do you do, fellow leftists?I don't think those are leftists.
>>2712978If they back down they are agreeing to be bombed at will like Lebanon and Gaza are.
>>27129820% chance this account isn't indian
>>2712962there's no overland routes for gulf oil. every pipeline that terminates in the persian gulf is generating thousands of contract variations an hour and every market that opens tanks. the paperwork costs are impossible, let alone there not being an end in sight.
they wanted operation iraqi freedom, not the bay of pigs. this is a clusterfuck that just wiped out billions of dollars of wealth and will shake futures, commodities, and forex.
>>2712992>billions of dollars of wealthgenuinely an understatement by 2-3 orders of magnitude
>>2712989Missile sirens in addition to drones
>>2712994don't know what to think about these people, can't trust any think tank by principle, but i'm fine if they aren't rand types
Some sources saying the attack from the north isn't hezobollah but random Palestinian factions
>>2712989Inshallah, the Pissraeli terrorist colony will be gone soon.
>>2712988There is literally no other option for them. How retarded do you have to be to go back to the table with the enemy who says their goal is to remove you from power?
I think they weren't as stupid as they might seem and knew that the negotiations were always a rouse, but they had to play along so they can try to paint themselves as the reasonable party on the world stage(but not like it did a lot of good considering how fast the West came out to unanimously praise the attacks and condemn Iran.) But I think that was their best option at the time even if they knew the US was always going to attack because it was:
>Meet with Trump and do the song and dance like a peace deal is going to come to fruition (and wait for them to attack)<Don't meet with the Trump admin (and wait for them to attack)>Attack firstSo playing along with the "negotiations" was their best move at the time. Going back to square one and just wait for the next inevitable attack doesn't benefit them at this point. It won't win them anymore good boy points in the eyes of the world, it will just make them look weak.
Please. Yemen. You have to opportunity to do the funniest thing
>>2712988Not sure about escalation, to a point yes. but I think the further this war goes on the better it's for Iran. US carrier groups and Israel have way less stockpiles staying power than Iran has. it's really this early Israel US shock and awe Iran has to withstand and it will get easier from there, just like it did last year.
>>2712988aahahah thank you trump for destroying the west
Sources are reporting that the Islamic Caliphate Organization have struck the USS Lincoln off the coast of Saudi Arabia. They claim the USA will fall like a house of cards.
Why are they drawing in the RAF when they've mostly been staying out of it?
>>2713015who are your sources
>>2712951Cope fizzlecell. The era of sizzling has begun.
>>2713018give it a week
it'll fizzle, always does
>>2712984> We have called usa> and we are not afraid to call them again> heaven help you if we call them a third time>>2712988yes and no. they can't win against the USA, but the USA can't survive another war on terror. stop now and they look like arseholes. shatter the global economy and USrael look like arseholes.
>>2713007Does that mean the Burgers have given up on regime change? You'd think they'd keep the industry intact if they expect to take control of through a proxy puppet state.
Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah, recent statement: "When the coffins with the bodies of American soldiers and officers are brought in, when they come in vertically and leave horizontally, then Trump and his administration will realize that they have lost the region and will lose the elections. If we achieve this goal, and we will achieve it with God's help, the liberation of Al-Quds [Jerusalem] will be just a step away. When the Americans leave our region, the Zionists will pack up and leave with them. We won't even have to fight against Israel."
Ok looks like the attacks were Hezbollah and they're actually joining
things finally sizzle after multiple fizzles. You can see this in history
>>2713023Source or fuck off
>>2713023>Hassan Nasrallahuh, anon …
I feel like if leftypol existed back in 1900s, multiple of you would say things will fizzle right before ww1 starts
>>2713028<he doesn't knowJuche Necromancer tunnels, anon.
>>2713026>>2713023>>2713030>>2713027bros I'm telling you war's so big it even brought Nasrallah back
>>2713018>sizzlingnot falling for your psyop, happeningcels have tricked me too many times
>>2712957Instead of compromising evidence, they would just threaten her into complying or something.
>>2712988>Do you agree with this assessment, that escalation favors Iran at this point? There were reports that Iran turned down a US ceasefire proposal.Iran gets nothing if they just stop now. If they keep at it they at the very least can make it a shit fight for the west/Israel, and depending on how it plays out, they have a solid chance of surviving this. It's not like they had a choice about whether this started. They clearly tried to avoid it.
>>2713021The Zionists installed their loyal dog in Syria and still flattened the country
Saudi Arabia tells Gulf allies to avoid any steps that could inflame tensions with Iran, sources saySenior Saudi officials have expressed anger at the scale and timing of the US and Israeli strikes on Iran, with the kingdom telling its Gulf allies to avoid taking any steps that could trigger a response by Tehran or its proxies and push the region towards a broader conflict.
Two Gulf Arab sources told Middle East Eye that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman conveyed the message to the leaders of Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates on Saturday, shortly after the country's foreign ministry formally condemned Iran's retaliatory strikes across the Arabian peninsula.
The sources said that the conversations were brief but there was an emerging consensus that Iran's retaliatory strikes were lesser in intensity than expected and that the Gulf states should avoid taking any direct action that could elicit an angry response from Tehran.
The sources said that the sentiment was later echoed when the Saudi Minister of Foreign Affairs, Prince Faisal bin Farhan bin Abdullah, held calls with his regional counterparts.
…
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-tells-gulf-allies-avoid-any-steps-could-inflame-tensions-iran >>2712957yes because foreign policy is planned long term and continuity of government.
fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle fizzle never sizzle
>>2713040What a bunch of slimy duplicitous fuckers.
sizzle will happen after multiple fizzles. you can not stop the process
>>2713045There are decades that fizzle and weeks that sizzle.
there are decades where everything fizzles and there are weeks where everything sizzles
>>2712999
Thanks, US State Dept.
>>2713049
>The US and Israel are happy to take blows to a few evacuated buildings
Hasbara post.
>>2713054
Hasbara post
>>2713054
They're falsifiable because there are strikes on US bases filmed by US troops that are still stationed there.
>>2712777dumb thing to say. Iranians now will rally against the aggressors, and only a small bunch, paid, and ideologized bunch will try to do somthing as absurd as side with the enemy.
>>2713029WW1 was unironically a mega fizzle event
>>2713040Damn. Abraham Accords anon, where you at?
>>2713061That was another event
>>2713063>Out of curiosity, do the camera feeds suddenly fry? Or do they keep rolling?They keep rolling, these videos have already been posted ITT
>>2712932>>2713065it was connected to ww1 and in some ways part of it………………tho
>>2713072Very loosely. It merely added to what was already going on.
>>2713040Next move: let's put more stratotankers, F-22, missile interceptors, and serve as a catapult for US-zionist activities.
It seems it was not Hezbollah who fired from south Lebanon, but another faction, possibly a Palestinian one
Or it maybe even a false flag
>shia revolution in Bahrein
>>2713073okay to avoid this becoming a discussion about semantics.
how about this
aspects of ww1 were sizzle and other aspects were fizzle. The aspects connected to the russian revolution was sizzle, the others not so much or were just fizzle
Critical support for NATO Turkey defending Iran against BRICS Saudi agression
Can anyone confirm Iran started using cluster warheads against Tel Aviv?
more missiles raining. boi, for a 'decapitated military' they sure know how to shake the US interests in the region.
>>2713086The collapse of the USSR was sizzle too, it was just a bad sizzle. Like frying up a turd in a pan.
>>2713090Ngl I kinda thought the "we have missiles you haven't even seen yet" thing was just bluster.
>>2713090Ugliest sounding language imaginable, jesus
>>2713088the PRC fizzled in 1976
>>2713094>The collapse of the USSR was sizzle toomeds
>>2713081These don't look like mirvs, they look like fragments/separated components. Happens a lot with lower tier ballistics. Intercepts don't delete the incoming missile, just break it up. Or they also can break up on their own if they aren't lined up properly and hit air resistance, they have lots of kinetic energy
>>2713101It was sizzle in the sense that it was a major happening that changed the world and established a new paradigm.
either way, dengism wins
>>2713076You know it’s funny I was always sold Europe was far more progressive than the U.S. they’re basically our little toadies and the Brit’s are like our Randal or one of this guys that goes “yeah boss that’s right you tell them!”. Like I know that all this is going to blow up and the U.S is going to get fucked and every opportunity to take the off ramp is sped on by.
Has China said anything but "Thoughts and Prayers" so far?
>>2713104before the "collapse" of the USSR:
>forever warsafter the collapse of the USSR:
<forever warssounds like a nothingburger and business as usual to me
>>2713118
go dig your neighbour out of some rubble ziocel
>>2713108There’s been rumors of china providing intelligence and satellite support. Nothing concrete yet but we’re still like what 48 hours into this?
>>2713128
The cowards fled their own colony so none will die, sadly
Iran just needs to fly out their F14s and shoot fakour 90s which will decimate the Zionist air force.
Iranian attack sets off fire near Bahrain’s Mina Salman Port
Bahrain’s Ministry of Interior says “the Iranian aggression” has targeted a maritime facility near the Mina Salman port in Manama.
It said civil defense forces are “initiating its procedures to control the fire”.
Footage of the incident, verified by Al Jazeera, shows firefighters trying to put out flames as huge columns of smoke billow from the site.
Explosions rock US base near Baghdad airport
Footage posted online, verified by Al Jazeera, shows columns of smoke rising from inside the US’s Victoria Base near Iraq’s Baghdad International Airport.
Iraqi media, citing security sources, reported that two drones targeted the base, with one falling inside and another shot down.
>>2713129Hopefully this is an indicator that Ziomerican air superiority is weakening and not a sign that Iran is running out of missiles.
Killing khamenei was probably a huge mistake in terms of mobilizing American public support. Killing the evil "villian" that has been built up in American media for decades in the first hour really hampers the domestic propaganda effort. Unlike beginning of Afghanistan and Iraq we've skipped straight to the later stages of the war where we are suppressing and subduing a huge population rather than on a mission to take out a "bad guy"
>>2713145or the the US air defenses in the region depleting.
>>2713130
All they're getting is rumors too as well as straight out lies. All sides do this for various reasons.
>>2713128
There’s been rumors allies didn’t even get to kill Hitler. These great fascist leaders lead their people to death. Sure the surprise attacks work at first, they see early overwhelming victories. But eventually shit drags on, then 5 years later your fueher is holed up in a bunker and blowing their brains out and blaming the very suckers they called the master race a week ago.
>>2713040> there was an emerging consensus that Iran's retaliatory strikes were lesser in intensity than expectedI hate this
>>2713157
You gotta stop
Been talking with my Lebanese coworker about things and he’s worried about us bringing the Draft back.
Truth be told I don’t see the Draft being reimplemented personally, but if Trump is retarded enough to put boots on the ground (what would even facilitate that?) it’s got a non-zero chance I guess.
Personally I’d look forward to laughing at the dumbasses saying “What, you don’t want to fight for your country?”
>>2713129>SU-35The goat of fighter jets <3
>>2713159the draft is not ever happening, I wish people would stop with this shit. They learned that lesson in Vietnam.
give me your chances on ww3 happening in the next 10 years
is it 10 percent chance
30 percent chance
50 percent chance
>>2713162Orangeman doesn’t give two shits
>>2713164already started long time
>>2713162>>2713166that's fine. it's a self-defeating move.
>>2713169>be american>not understand distinction between government and head of statethis tracks with everything I know about yanks
>>2713169Continuing to hit the Gulf states seems like a bad idea considering they have considerable air power that they could lend to the Ziomerican efforts. The fact that they haven't retaliated yet shows they don't really have a stomach for a war but now that they've been cowed there's no reason to keep pushing them. Hitting US bases in these countries is different ofc but striking Dubai and other civilian targets seems pointless by now.
>>2713162I remember hearing some insiders claiming that Trump and Miller look down on soft power cause “soft power is gay” and you’ve got the Pentagon talking about “lethalitymaxxing”, if any admin is stupid enough to do it, it’d be this one—likely for the same reasons as boomers claiming a war would “man this generation up”
>>2713175>[gulf states] have considerable air powercan they field it or did they just buy a bunch of retired american equipment as a form of bribe? they never seem to use it.
>>2713175eh, it's not a bad idea. they have too many assets they can't afford to lose, specially oil industries, wells, and refineries.
>>2713071more Bahrein footage. people throwing molotovs at the police, and stuff.
>>2712690lots of U.S assets hide in hotels, remember the Khobar Towers
>>2713183I like the blocking on this
>>2713180>they never seem to use itThe Saudis relentlessly bombed Yemen into the stone age for 8 years.
>>2713162That’s the problem, the U.S is going to hit a political or material limit. I won’t say trump couldn’t bring back the draft. He prolly could but shit would start unraveling fast after that.
Kuwait shoots down a ‘number of hostile aerial targets’
The Kuwaiti Army says its air defences have confronted and intercepted” a “number of hostile aerial targets at dawn today” in the central parts of the country.
>>2713175I mean thats also hitting the weak links in the ME anti iran alliance, and they can easily do significant long term economic damage. And I doubt these countries actually have any significant missiles stockpiles to use themselves. It might work to make them think twice about pushing for war with iran again or even how worth it it is to have the americans "defending" them and using them as bases, and in the short term help pressure US to negotiate
>>2713173lmao, who's left holding the bag when those futures contracts can't be serviced? do they default or are the banks holding shares in those companies liable?
>>2713174>this tracks with everything I know about yanksit's the great man theory. the rotten marvel movies brain. the videogames slop mentality.
'we defeated the final boss in Iran, how dare this 99$ game be bugged now', lame way of thinking.
>>2713177>I remember hearing some insiders claiming that Trump and Miller look down on soft power cause “soft power is gay” and you’ve got the Pentagon talking about “lethalitymaxxing”lmao there is no way all of this isn't some truman show shit
>>2713185but all that was coming from the same US stock
>>2713173Now that the Dow is under 50k and will presumably free fall on Monday, we now have to prosecute trump for being a key figure in an international child sex trafficking ring right?
>>2713185yeah nah, true. but in that case they're hitting a weaker opponent, not dodging air defense.
>>2713177I mean I guess this current adventure is also happening against the advice of generals. I just don't see it unless he is bombing Iran for months, trying to subdue a popular insurgency in Venezuala and then decides we also need to launch a grinding ground invasion of Canada at the same time
>>2713193This is Trumps world. We just happen to live in it.
>>2713193When the economy collapses, Trump will get something worse than a prosecution
>>2713189the ultimate fun would be that the crisis created by this cause the AI bubble to burst
>>2713192True, and I suppose the Iranians are calculating that any interceptors used to protect the Gulf states can't be used to defend Israel or US bases elsewhere. I guess there is still some advantage to it insofar as it fits into their broader strategy of attrition of the American stockpile.
>>2713194Yes, its clear that the Saudis and co. are shook, otherwise they would've hit back by now. They may be worried that a response would only invite a harsher attack from Iran that they aren't prepared to deal with, especially with the supply lines to the US as strained as they are by the current fighting.
>>2713183Those buildings are either very small or the protesters are huge
>>27132018ft tall Shiachads mogging Sunni manlets.
>>2713198AI stonks shook last week when some economist "discovered" the falling rate of profit and posted to medium. the AI bubble got inflated further because it sold as a defense stock.
AI is going to stay up until the last rube realises it's solutionism with no real world application. if AI was actually real it would destroy capitalism.
>>2713199saudi wasn't built as a fortress nation. they don't have bomb shelters or a brainwashed zionazi death cult population. war with iran is kissing bye bye to dubai.
>>2713154its just that they didnt yet target all the oil industry in the ME
>>2713213It was because he was spiritual a woke lib. It would be immoral to have a nuke.
>>2713211*gulf states weren't built as fortress nations
>>2713209Begging that we will finally see that downfall of Pissrael in my lifetime
>>2713213Woke Ayotollah doesn't believe WMD's are morally right. He specifically also refused to use chemical weapons while Iraq was gassing Iranian civilians enmass
>>2712734is that from the previous 12 day war or this a current strike?
>>2713213Legitimately because he was stupid
>>2713160No it isn't. Stealth is the key to a modern fighter. Russian air doctrine is retarded.
>>2713129Did zioburgers not blow the fuck out of every tarmac and airbase in Iran? Either they're not even trying or
>>2713213He thought he could get some of that yummie imperialist pie while smart countries like North Korea saw that Amerikkka would immediately bomb them again as soon as it saw an opportunity to get a few cents.
>>2713245the US can commit war crimes through proxies. Iran choosing not to use chemical weapons or build nukes was good policy. they refused IANA inspections after the last failed raid.
>>2713243>did zioburgers not bomb airstripsit's literally just a road: bulldoze some dirt back in, tamp it down, and lay some asphalt. even if they did it couldn't keep the planes out of the air.
they also claimed they bunkerbusted the nuclear sites. they're full of shit and their wunderwaffe doesn't work. the missle defense systems were supposed to be a temporary solution to allow for a diplomatic resolution, but the jews started worshipping their "iron dome" and using it as cover to commit more crimes.
it's all cap. the time to end this conflict was the 90s.
>>2713266It's weird how Ancaps would agree with you.
Legalize nukes.
>>2713211>when some economist "discovered" the falling rate of profitLink to this? lol
>>2713271Zionist dog was okay with every terrorist attack by the entity
Is this copium or is Iran doing better in this war than expected so far?
>>2713284I'd say they are. The initial imperialist attack was arguably less damaging than last time, and the response is far more forceful. Americans have been killed, Gulf Arabs are shook, Trump has already said to expect more casualties. Now Hezbollah is joining the war.
>>2713284the measure is mostly geopolitical - and so far the US and Israel's power has been shown to be greatly diminished, with them having no ability to sway the Gulf monarchies into joining in on their regime change war. Without a local coalition to support the effort, the entire regime change effort is doomed to fail, and the US and Israel are just flailing about and bombing almost just random targets as a form of unmeasured retaliation.
>>2713284They were doing good last time too but cucked out when Pissrael was running out of defensive options
>>2713266graham platner's #1 fan
>>2713266Based hasan per usual
>>2713284I think this is more like during the early Ukraine war when American analysts were claiming Russia's military was collapsing because of all the graft and corruption resulting in faulty equipment and ammunition scarcity. Turns out the US military is just as bad when it comes to wasting money. They're already out of missiles because each one costs the same as an entire neighborhood of houses in a country with millions of homeless.
>>2713275can't find it again. we kind of need an AI bubble thread to dump AI stonk drama into.
>>2713297Thank god the gulf states are cucks
>>2713129So do they have standoff weapons or are flying bombing missions ?
>>2713195>>2713191If I had to cast my gaze to the future and see the possibilities where America reintroduces the draft.
>Hegseth gives some faux-“tough guy” national announcement where he drops the “hard men create good times” line <“It’s time we end the Sissification of our young men. If you don’t want to serve because you’re a coward or lazy, that’s fine, there’ll be a nice prison cell waiting for you.”>They’ll get pissy at people claiming to be trans to avoid the draft and either provide evidence of being trans for up to a year before the draft was instituted or do something like enable trans people to be drafted and make “treatment for their mental illness” part of their training as a way to forcibly detransition them and give psychotic evangelical conversion therapy camps money.>The narrative that right wing media (including networks recently taken over by oligarchs) that protesters are just spoiled pussies who are scared of fighting and “just shoot a couple and they’ll go away, they’re scared of bullets after all.” >>2713237well might as well target gulf oil facilities now
>>2713309>>2713007wanted to reply to this instead.
President Trump:
>'I think, if what happened in Iran happens in Venezuela, that would be the perfect scenario'
President Trump:
>'They'll be subdued in the end, yes.
>I'm confident that Iran will eventually surrender to the will of the U.S. and Israel.'
>>2713040if I was iran and i know i was going to lose i might as well take the oil economy down with me
>>2713315why don't they sink aircraft carriers? one has to assume they can't
>>2713328Those are probably the most well defended assets in the region.
>>2713322israel pathologically incapable of cutting a deal with comprador admin in lebanon.
>>2713322>>2713331So are the Lebanese armed forces going to defend their country or is that just not their thing?
>>2713328hitting the infrastructure that sustains them is easier and more effective in the long run.
>>2713328has to be hard if you aren't a great power
>>2713333france says no, so hezbollah ends up doing the wetwork.
>>2713336uygha that shit runs on uranium
why are people suddenly talking about nukes on my timeline
i'm honestly surprised the ziorat protestors aren't coming out in tehran
specially with israel bombing police stations and the basij hq
>>2713345uyghas eating uranium now?
>>2713347Being attacked has most likely seriously sapped support for the opposition.
>>2713345has to reload etc.
>>2713330>>2713336yeah. they defo can't hit em
>>2713354r/latestagecapitalism is specifically advertised as a socialist sub
>This subreddit has its roots in broad-based anti-capitalist thought, with an emphasis on Marxist concepts and analysis and a commitment to antiracism and inclusive feminism.>When it comes to proposed alternatives to Capitalism, it is the general consensus of this subreddit that class-divisions and alienated labour must be abolished; production must be collectively organized by the working people themselves for the direct benefit of all. We call this socialism. >>2713351Yeah remember the iran iraq war
Also day 1 the zios murder 100s of children
( their national sport)
Maybe some of the realized it sucks to support israel
>>2713175wasnt there an anon here on a previous thread that trained their military and said it was dogshit?
or maybe they just have advanced tech that compensates for that
>>2713282>Holden Bloodfeast announcing his wet dreamsThat's disgusting.
>>2713363>iran iraq war<Iraq was aided by the National Council of Resistance of Iran, the United States, the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, France, Italy, Yugoslavia, and most Arab countries. Iran was aided by the Kurdistan Democratic Party, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, South Yemen, Pakistan, Cuba, and Israel. >>2713198the ultimate shitshow combined into one big FIZZLE!
>>2713211link to article about falling rate of profit pls
>>2713302too much valuable oil assets to actually go to war with Iran. very inorganic governments with little to no people to actually support them over a war.
>>2713375So he really hasn't thought any of this through, confirmed
>>2713387Called it, though that’s like calling the sun rising in the morning.
>>2713359iran got satellites at the end of last year, joint effort with russia.
>>2713360disagree, if a carrier showed up they could just do the same deplete and overwhelm tactics that work on israel and US bases.
the question is what does taking out a carrier achieve? it'd be treated like a new pearl harbor and risks shoring up domestic support for the trump regime. smashing US bases and logistics in the gulf and levant is a deterrent: it makes the prolonged conflict that the US is already avoiding even more costly.
>>2713385>The survival of the regime matters more than the survival of its people.Just because that report is written by a Wester chauvinist, doesn't mean I won't ask for sources. (they didn't list any)
Israel has ordered the evacuation of 53 towns and villages in southern Lebanon. Ground invasion has also been authorized by the presidential office
Pentagon chief to hold news conference on Monday
The 8am local time (13:00 GMT) news conference by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth will be the first time a top Trump official has faced the media since the US and Israel launched attacks on Iran on Saturday.
Hegseth is set to appear alongside Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman John Caine. The Pentagon said the officials will discuss the attacks on Iran, dubbed “Operation Epic Fury”.
Trump has given several interviews since the strikes, and released two video speeches, but has not held a news conference.
US Senator vows to force vote on war powers
US Senator Adam Schiff has said he will join other lawmakers in forcing a vote on a war powers resolution in the Senate.
A war powers resolution, if passed by the US House of Representatives and the US Senate, would require the president to seek congressional approval for future strikes.
However, Trump could veto such a resolution, unless it has two-thirds support in both chambers of Congress, a likely unreachable barrier. Under the US constitution, only Congress can declare war.
“Congress holds the power to declare war – not the President,” Schiff said.
“I will be joining Senators @SenTimKaine, @SenRandPaul and @SenSchumer in forcing a vote on our war powers resolution to make it clear: Congress has not authorized this use of our military.”
>>2713393You still need munitions capable of some kind of terminal guidance tho, idk if any of their ballistics can do that.
is there a compilation of videos of Israel getting hit? maybe even dead Israelis? please god I need to revel in their suffering.
>>2713385I'm pretty sure Israel just wanted a war to break out between usa and Iran. I think negotiating power was just the carrot on the stick to get a retard like trump to do it. Maybe were witnessing the greatest betrayal in modern history.
>>2713409Hegseth giving a speech might unironically be funnier than Trump. He might actually start with the camera facing his back only to turn around wearing sunglasses and talking to Iran personally
>”You should have listened, but you didn’t. Now you’re going to pay the price.” >>2713375this uygha still running on venezuela copium
If you die, it’s your own fault for being weak
>>2713282The is the beginning of the end of the “we need to attack Iran” industrial complex. So many people are going to be out of a job now. They’ve been running that grift since the 80s
>>2713414Likely true, however Trump was obviously goaded into it because he thought it was going to be Venezuela 2, and people here like a certain blackcat flag were echoing the same sentiment, that the exception was actually going to be the rule and that Trump can bomb heads of state with 0 repercussions
>>2713376i meant sizzle (got confused)
lol, lmao even.
>>2713404remember when trumpedo was grilling shillary for benghazi?
fun times, heh.
>>2713299There's a 50/50 chance that if America really does run out of munitions they'll try and cry uncle and eek out a W for killing Khamenei
>>2713404<Tries to regime change Iran>Compradors at risk of regime change insteadComical
>>2713409what's the over/under on total drinks in petey's system when the news conference begins?
no new hits by iran being reported on osint channels.
i'm scared
>>2713424They're already trying to do that. Trump genuinely thought taking Khamenei out would create a wave of democracy in Iran and cause the government to collapse. That didn't happen and now they don't know where to go from here since a ground invasion is impossible. A "war" where you just bomb eachother back and forth has no end and Americans are already turning against the war.
>>2713400they tried that one in the aftermath of the pager attacks. they didn't make it 500m into lebanon because the terrain that hezbollah controls favors the defenders. the Idiot Diaper Force does not have the resolve or manpower to invade in full view of concealed rocket batteries and dug in mortar crews.
>>2713412yeah fair. but it definitely means the carriers have to stand off because they'd be toast anywhere where their movements are constrained or where the transit time for drones would be low.
the f-35 was designed to be classified as a light truck in california for tax purposes so their range is abysmal. going to be interesting to see where the limits are. IIRC the houthis managed to whack an american ship last year, but that might have been one of their spy vessels.
>>2713351Israel also bombed a lot of opposition leaders. They just basically solidified the militaries rule. So Israel turn a western sympathetic nation into a semi-decentralized military junta that see Israel and the U.S as an existential threat.
>>2713439Inb4 the new ayatolñah personally reads this and launches a wave cause they are getting too cocky
>>2713438Yeah in the 12 day war they bombed evian prison and were all like muh iranian freedom wven though they killed disidents
>>2713173Iran PLEASE [redacted] the pipeline in Saudi Arabia. It really needs to occur.
>>2713434I think they also havent tried to assassinate Pezeshkian to make him cuck, which is kek because the entire IRGC owns Iran atp
>>2713448During the 12 Day War I remember seeing everyone give the opposition total shit and Iranian liberals go on the streets demanding Iran to build a nuclear bomb.
The only people who could revolt are people paid off or the minorities. Israel tried this in Gaza, they got slaughtered when the ceasefire happened
>>2713462Which minorities? Khuzestan Arabs stuck with Iran as Saddam did his dance. Iranian Kurds have never had the serious guerrilla campaigns that Turkey, Syria, and Iraq did. Khameini himself was Azeri.
>>2713463Iranian Kurds, but they got raped during the riots. Balochs but they live in the desert and Pakistan hates them too. Maybe Azeris if Azerbaijan brainwashed any of them enough but apparently a lot of them control the Iranian state.
>>2713173Most I have is a fund of about 100 bucks that is focused on ecological development. I am already dirt poor, so that will not fuck me over any harder.
>>2713463Foreign racial categories also sound like fantasy names to me. In the Americas your black, white, Brown or Asian. If you’re woke you can be a hyphened-American.
>>2713434>They're already trying to do that. Trump genuinely thought taking Khamenei out would create a wave of democracy in Iran and cause the government to collapse. That didn't happen and now they don't know where to go from here Trump thought that but he is the only retard that did. Chuck Schumer is out here telling him he needs to finish the job as well as Cruz, Graham, Fetterman, anyone deep in the Zio clique which is every big shot in DC. Netanyahu knew what would happen as well as the rest of the Israelis. Everyone fucking knew what was going to happen except Trump. They told him ot would be over in 5 days tops because that's what he wanted to hear. Everyone knows what they are doing except him, now he is just along for the ride. Don't think just because he rubber stamps shit he has anything to do with the plans. They put him in a position where he can't TACO, his confusion about the plan means nothing other than he will let them dictate the whole strategy.
Too much copium on here. Forget Trump, he is now immaterial to this war.
>>2713473Trump atp is half coherent. He's going to be a vegetable by the end of office.
torture anti-campists
>>2713473I mean, they can't possibly finish the job regardless. Even the entire Zionist lobby whispering in Trump's ear isn't gonna change the material reality that Iran is an impenetrable fortress.
>>2713479If this keeps going into next year there will be something. PRC is waiting if Iran keeps meatgrinding America longer than expected
ngl i kinda miss khamenei
>>2713479They don’t want to invade Taiwan. The idea that the U.S. is preventing this from happening hasn’t been true for many decades.
>>2713480I think they are aware too that not being able to regime change is a strong possibility. I think their main goal is to start a civil war where they can support a breakaway section. Barring that, I think they will be satisfied in reducing Irans military capabilities. We'll see I guess if they can meet the easiest goal before the stretch ones. If they can get rid of the missiles and missile oroduction they can keep bombing Iran once a week with impunity like how the Israelis were toying with Assad for a decade.
>>2713408For the feds reading this, I'm not endorsing any military action or political violence, but objectively it would be absolutely pathetic of Iran to let the US just tuck tail and run after that.
>>2713487Why the fuck not? Invading Taiwan would give China a complete global monopoly on semiconductors effectively putting companies like Nvidia, AMD, Intel, and even OpenAI out of business unless they capitulate to China. It would be a massive strategic win.
>>2713488the missiles are being produced in mountain fortresses though. even bunker busters can't penetrate a mountain. it's genuinely hopeless for the US Epstein regime.
>>2713439you have to send em along with drones so they have to choose wich ones to take out
>>2713490>>2713487they can't invade taiwan they don't have enough ships and the losses would be too massive even before landing
>>2713490they can just wait for taiwan to naturally gravitate towards the PRC as the west spirals economically and china continues to develop, the only circumstance where they would actually invade taiwan would be one where peaceful reunification is off the table. considering the opposition candidate to the current unpopular taiwanese government openly supports the one-china policy, they can just wait until 2027 for them to get what they want without firing a single shot.
>>2713490With the strait of Hormuz closed an immediate stop to semi conductors would be a double whammy. China wouldn’t even have to invade Taiwan. They could just blockade it like the U.S is doing to Cuba.
murdoch media is at it again.
since trump is lost in his labyrinth, if this is true:
>>2713375, then the zionist media is cheering for more commitment after a catastrophic failure.
Be real, are we gonna see boots on the ground?
>>2713497that's always seemed like bullshit, China has enough artillery batteries to completely bombard Taiwan's air defenses until they run out of AA and then gain air superiority for a paratrooper invasion. the sea route has always seemed like misdirection.
>>2713503if they tried that those boots would sooner turn tail and invade Israel instead
>>2713501heh. i have the same concern but in the opposite direction
>>2712727ofcourse the obligatory ollahooakbaring
so the total so far is 12 USA soldiers killed
>>2713508well, the US media wants to portray that Iran is weak because of
muh leadership.
>>2713503Not likely. Iran is almost as much of a mountain fortress as Afghanistan is, and military technology has changed a lot since even the Obama years. They'd be foolish to try but fortunately for the U.S. military, they no longer have to.
>>2713479the interceptors on taiwan are still there ya ding dong.
>>271348820% of the global oil market just got disrupted and air traffic is in a shambles because Doha, Abu Dhabi, and Dubai airports are closed. all the gulf states that have been calling Fatty McNugget daily to cut a deal with Iran got their shit pushed in, and economies totaled overnight.
USrael already fucked everything up. there is no "wait and see", we saw a spectacular flop which is going to have global consequences. it was enacted unilaterally without consultation of any interested party.
If they double down and put boots on the ground then it's over. teach your kids how to say "do you want fries with that?" in mandarin.
>>2713471t. rootless cosmopolitan
>>2713517>all the gulf states that have been calling Fatty McNugget daily to cut a deal with Iran got their shit pushed in, and economies totaled overnight.>>2713517>all the gulf states that have been calling Fatty McNugget daily to cut a deal with Iran got their shit pushed in, and economies totaled overnight.>>2713517>all the gulf states that have been calling Fatty McNugget daily to cut a deal with Iran got their shit pushed in, and economies totaled overnight.<he still believes the kayfabeI bet you still believe the Trump admin was seriously trying to make a deal
>>2713385>attack a smaller country in an effort to force them to the negotiating table on your terms>they fight back way harder than you anticipated>they also refuse to negotiate>you prepared for a quick in and out but it's turning into a protracted conflict>now you have to commit or else look like a bitchIs this America's SMO?
DISCLAIMER: I still sympathize with Russia against Ukraine/NATO and think Russia will ultimately win the war, but this is basically how things got to their current state in Ukraine.
>>2713520the iranians are morons if they weren't already operating as if that was the case
>>2713520And those British bases can get their shit rocked by Iranian missiles too, tf
>>2713502chagos is out of range, tho I think? or out of range of most of what they have been using
>>2713521I don't think that. nobody thinks that, because the terms are pretty obviously unacceptable. key USraeli alies jordan, iraq, kuwait, saudi, bahrain, qatar, and the UAE needed peace and were forcing the talks. the attacks mean those talks are fucked, the lack of notice means the gulf states are fucked hard in this market correction.
>>2713535
>This is where communist internationalists are have a problem–there will never be international solidarity without enemies–the fear of enemies is what keeps people together. Take away that fear of the enemy, and the people begin to conspire against one another.
Anon this is just fascist thought
>>2713490You anons have a
we need to eliminate the enemy mindset.
Geopolitically speaking, Taiwan is more useful as an enemy than as a friend–as a foil to the CCP.
Think of Taiwan as a magnet keeping China internally stable–the fear of Taiwanese historical and ideological enemy from the civil war opposing the CCP actually is useful to keeping CCP integral, like a magnet.
This is where communist internationalists have a problem–there will never be international solidarity without enemies–the fear of enemies is what keeps people together. Take away that fear of the enemy, and the people begin to conspire against one another.
>"When there's no common enemy they make war on each other for their particular interests."-Hobbes
>>2713540It's fascist thought but more often than not it's the case:
When the Americans and British defeated the French colonists, immediately afterwards the American revolutionary war happened.
>>2713522Ukraine is already Americas SMO, this is just adding on top of it. I think trump is ultimately going to find a way to TACO but the damage is already done. The global economy is fucked come Monday. It has some chance of recovering in the next few years if he pulls the plug now but it’ll be just another massive fuck up that reverts back to the status quo but shittier in a slightly new way. But the shit is stacking up faster and faster.
>>2713542China keeps Taiwan around because China doesn't need a show of force to reunify. They merely need to isolate Taiwan from supporters long enough for Taiwanese turn into China's gusanos. Already 20% of Taiwanese population works in China as guest workers.
>>2713537>key USraeli alies jordan, iraq, kuwait, saudi, bahrain, qatar, and the UAE needed peace and were forcing the talks.Saudis pressured him to attack as much as Israel. That's already been reported. I'm sure they probably got a lot of the rest of them to sign off on this plan as well.
>>2712907The Saudis wanting him to make a deal was just as much kayfabe as the Trump admin pretending they were ready to make a deal.
<the attacks mean those talks are fucked, the lack of notice means the gulf states are fucked hard in this market correction.Everyone involved in this situation understood that from before the attack except Trump. I predicted all this myself before the attack. If I can decipher all of this just from reading the news, you don't think the Pentagon and intelligence, and whoever didn't know this would play out exactly like this? They wanted the talks to be as fucked as possible so Trump can't possible TACO.
>>2713473 >>2713546Ukraine is already a cut and run. France, Germany, and the UK are holding the bag on that one.
So I think it's clear at this point that the Iranians have given the Ziomericans a bigger black eye and absorbed far more punishment than they were expecting. The Islamic Republic didn't collapse, the military did not suffer any significant loss of capabilities, they are striking the entire region aggressively and are showing no sign of slowing down. Crucially, the bulk of not only the Iranian population, but the entire Shia world has rallied around the Iranian cause. Every state with a significant Shia population is in turmoil, Hezbollah has rejoined the conflict, US forces in Iraq are under attack by the PMUs, and Bahrain's government may fall. The Gulf Arabs are shitting their pants and have still not retaliated for Iranian strikes.
Clearly this did not go anything like the imperialists thought it would, and it's basically a huge disaster. Will they commit to a protracted struggle or cut their losses and back off?
>>2713552>Will they commit to a protracted struggle or cut their losses and back off?I keep telling you guys, they knew it was going to be a protracted war and they are prepared for it. I'm not going to dispute that the Iranians hit back harder than they were expecting or not, but the general outline of what's happening is exactly what they expected and they expected that they will be bombing Iran for at least a year if not indefinitely.
>>2713553Problem is, Ukraine dented West's weapon stockpiles so heavily that even taking on Iran alone is a tremendous challenge now. And China is the final boss and China DIDN'T SPEND EVEN A SINGLE SOLDIER OR WEAPON ON ANY OF THOSE PROXY WARS
>>2713536
>US war on Iran is quick in and out Desert Storm Fortunate Son style
That's what the SMO was supposed to be to lmao, except the imperialists have not achieved any of their goals in Iran. It's obvious by this point that their primary goal was to cause the collapse of the Islamic Republic with a short, rapid military intervention. Failing that, they were hoping that after taking a beating, the Iranians would be both incapable of resisting and willing to negotiate. None of that has happened. The Iranians are refusing to talk, and are striking everything within reach. This quick in and out has become a general regional conflagration.
>>2713555If they knew it would be protracted then they would have brought more than just enough ordinance for a 4-5 day operation.
>>2713505>completely bombard Taiwan's air defenses until they run out of AAthats incredibly difficult to do in reality because that AA can be strongly protected, be mobile and even small defenses like manpads could cause china significant losses
>>2713558Yeah, and that's why the decapitation was so needed. If there's no decapitation, Americans thought, protesters can't take over the country
>>2713522yes pretty much furthermore fuck ziggers
>>2713547They just don’t want to invade and still pretty much believe the balance of forces makes reunification likely. Peaceful reunification would be far more damaging to the U.S. than a war, incidentally, and far far better for China.
A war right now is just bad because they’ve got a lot of things going on which they want to focus on over war. Electricity generation, AI, robotics, military restructuring.
>>2713559>If they knew it would be protracted then they would have brought more than just enough ordinance for a 4-5 day operation.Well I guess we'll see if they have more than 5 days worth of bombs on Thursday.
>>2713553europe is throwing good money after bad. the french foreign legion disappeared in the meatgrinder. the west even expended clandestine proxies like ISIS. ukraine is awful for both sides, but the west is decisively losing.
>>2713564they have literally no ties to iran and their families where already isolated and hateful toward the rest of the nation
>>2713565
We should have gotten a Cohen Brother’s movie about the cold war between Iranian monarchists and the MEK
>>2713517>20% of the global oil market just got disrupted and air traffic is in a shambles because Doha, Abu Dhabi, and Dubai airports are closedwell, I am no too sure that the Hormuz strait was 100% closed. some reports indicate that some tankers have not crossed, other reports that some others have crossed.
on the air stuff, yes! the european airports are charging up gulf states airlines for parking their airplanes.
LMAO.
>and put boots on the ground then it's overspecially those precious oil well. Iran can devastate all the oil industries around them.
>>2713566Invading Taiwan now would be foolish anyways, it would be far to risky. The best use of their resources would be to do everything possible to help the Iranians repel the imperialist attack. This offers a good chance of success as well as far less risk to China.
>>2713503Well tell me why the U.S. started the war.
>>2713577Because it can and doesn’t know how to do anything else
>>2713564They were better off as American vassals, tbh.
They had 'monarcho-communism'.
Iran has always been getting its shit kicked in either by the British, Russians, or Americans when they get too independent.
>>2713567True, but honestly I don't see why the Americans would want to get into a protracted war in the first place.
>>2713573China should try pushing toward sanctions at the very least. I understand the risk but the reward is to great. Nobody wanted this war, it’s happening in the middle of trials of a massive cover up of most of the western elite begin revealed as evil baby eaters. It’s on behalf of an increasingly unpopular “ally” and the economy is in the dumps and discontent is growing daily.
>>2713575Trying to decide which emigre group in the united states is the most reactionary is futile because most of them are generally speaking.
>>2713581they didn't, they were likely given faulty intel by the israelis that the iranian gov would immediately collapse with khameini's death
>>2713580that shit was a fascist comprador state for the last few decades before the revolution
>>2713581the MIC is what drives the economy, not tech, not finance, not entertainment
They're probably expecting this to last at least 12 days like the previous attack.
>>2713573What's the risk exactly?
>>2713572a tanker got hit, and there were radio broadcasts on shipping bands that the strait is closed. anyone who tries to cross the strait is gambling and as such the markets are reacting exactly as if the straits are closed.
>>2713578goatse is actually an apt depiction of europe's arsehole (ukraine).
most chinese ppl don't want other chinese ppl to get killed in an invasion, specially if gaywan hasn't done anything particularly provocative like declaring independence or attacking the mainland
>>2713573China isn't going to invade Taiwan, theyre going to blockade it
The 4 day SMO has turned into a 4 week SMO.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-says-conflict-with-iran-could-last-four-weeks-daily-mail-reports-2026-03-01/Trump says conflict with Iran could last four weeks, Daily Mail reportsBut I reiterate, that is just the latest lie they told him. Everyone knew what they were getting into but Trump.
>>2713599>>2713600WHITE MAN CAME
ACROSS THE SEA
>>2713478You aren't going to do shit but suck Cucktin's tennytiny zionist cock
The 'tell' will be when AD is fully depleted in the coming days.
If Iran keeps targeting softcock targets instead of the Zionist regime, then they're not serious about making this an existential war and will likely accept the sixth or seventh ceasefire offer after 'saving face'.
If Iran starts vaporizing Israeli officials and giving them a taste of their own medicine, then we're likely in for a long war.
>>2713583That's ridiculous. You don't start a general regional war and risk WW3 just as a test. War is always politics by other means.
>>2713582>Nobody wanted this war, it’s happening in the middle of trials of a massive cover up of most of the western elite begin revealed as evil baby eaters. It’s on behalf of an increasingly unpopular “ally” and the economy is in the dumps and discontent is growing daily.Yes, communists should be looking closely at how this conflict is intensifying class struggle and opening opportunities for organization. Anybody naysaying anti-imperialist and socialist agitation of any kind, even modest stuff like distributing literature or demonstrations, is being counterproductive. Now is the time for us to be out there talking to people, getting them pissed off, getting them to understand why this is happening. If the US gets into a war like that and loses, then that's the kind of thing that would really shake the legitimacy of the whole US state apparatus. The war has united the Iranian population, but it will only deepen the already intense divisions in America.
>>2713591War with the United States, which they clearly don't want or they would have been far more aggressive than they have been. Even if they got Taiwan, taking it by force would make it much harder to rule, which is why they don't want to do it. However, providing Iran with material, intelligence, diplomatic, and economic support could deal a major blow to the US with much less risk of escalation.
>>2713548bruh, it's a shame and blame shifting strategy. 'it wasn't the US reeeee ultimately it was the Arabs who asked uuuuss reeee', similar to 'reeeee it was the zionists reeee, they asked us to do it'.
don't fall, and to anyone else, don't fall for that trashy propaganda.
>>2713605I was think too than iran is bombing the gulf states so America wastes interceptors before hitting important shit
>>2713598I dunno whether this is true right now, but Iran is absolutely going to take itself back to the negotiation cuck table, probably at the urging of the Kremlin, which also has that humiliation fetish to such a degree that it's literally negotiating with Budanov.
>>2713609Why is he speaking Arabic?
>>2713614he's responding to a tweet by al jazeera arabic
>>2713597>But I reiterate, that is just the latest lie they told him. Everyone knew what they were getting into but Trump.Here you guys go, more evidence to my point. This article from Feb 13.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-military-preparing-potentially-weeks-long-iran-operations-2026-02-13/Exclusive: US military preparing for potentially weeks-long Iran operationsI tell you, I don't believe this either. Either way, even if they though it would last weeks at most, they always prepare for all eventualities including for an indefinite conflict.
>bro Pezeshkian, Larijani, the fucking sneedullah is gonna surrender to Blormpf any minute now
Dawg the IRGC has taken over administrative jurisdiction. None of these people are going to get a peace deal unless it involves US giving up an arm and a leg to Iran, which Israel will never approve
>negotiate with US
>get killed
>US press gloats about deception operation
>negotiate with US
>get killed
>US press gloats about deception operation
We going for round 3? For real? LOL
>>2713597this is american exceptionalist cope. the US made a bad bet and they've burned their prestige, bases, and regional allies.
ziocel anon needs to explain why they didn't use the magic bunker buster bombs that really really work (trust us) to blow up the iranian nuclear program (again, because we blew them up last year, believe us).
protip: he can't lmao >>2713621>We going for round 3? For real? LOLno retard
>>2713625Post saved for 'accountability' LOL.
>>2713606>Yes, communists should be looking closely at how this conflict is intensifying class struggle and opening opportunities for organization. Anybody naysaying anti-imperialist and socialist agitation of any kind, even modest stuff like distributing literature or demonstrations, is being counterproductive.Gonna be on the lookout for local anti war demonstrations myself; though to be honest I think the Left will be hamstrung by itself, while it’ll be important to rally against the war I think there’ll be too many groups trying to snipe at each other for not “rallying correctly” or whatever.
>>2713627hope you get run over by a truck and then hit by lightning
>>2713624>this is american exceptionalist cope.You guys are the ones in constant cope mode. How many times I've seen you guys write threads worth of cope about how Assad is going to pull it out of the shitter days before he fled. About how Venezuela had top of the line air defense and the US would be involved in the next Vietnam in VZ. Coping that Nasrallah isn't dead. Coping that Khamenei isn't dead. Wishful thinking doesn't help you understand anything.
>>2713629>hope you get run over by a truck and then hit by lightningI promise that if it happens twice, it won't happen a third time. I'll learn by then.
>>2713631They had some Venezuela cope I was reminded of in
>>2713576 >>2713636 (me)
Navy cope, I mean. They thought the Ven nazy was actually going to stop the imperialists.
>>2713634Exactly, we're doing two different things, i'm trying to analyze what's happening, you are trying to fight the war on the leftypol front.
>>2713628any antiwar mobilisation will be good atp
>>2713624>the US made a bad bet and they've burned their prestige, bases, and regional allies.Name one regional ally that is going to sever ties with the US over this.
Just one. If you ignore this request, I accept your concession that you're writing fanfiction.
>>2713640Yeah I agree, though I think at this point anti war protests would be folded into wider anti Trump ones
>>2713641this whole thing shows the us cant deffend israel let alone their goyim gulf allies who are gonna have to come to terms with the fact that it is in their best interest to be friendly with iran instead of supporting any form of agression
>If you ignore this request, I accept your concession that you're writing fanfiction.stop writting like a faggot
I dunno how to cure this contagious "make a deal with Trump da great deal-maker" brainrot that's infected every state from Middle Eastern lightweights to nuclear superpowers even after he's overseen assassinations during his sham negotiations multiple times.
Maybe the solution really is as dumb and absurd as the problem: someone get on a teleconference and inform all these states that The Art of the Deal was ghostwritten. Trump didn't write it.
>>2713594>a tanker got hit, and there were radio broadcasts on shipping bands that the strait is closed. anyone who tries to cross the strait is gambling and as such the markets are reacting exactly as if the straits are closed.oh, that's true.
the west has now its own shadow fleet, lmao.
>>2713645>deffend>agression>writtingDon't comment on anyone else's writing again, you absolute brainlet.
>>2713649you talk like a faggot and your shits all retarded irregardless
>>2713631who are you even talking to? you're the one posting
>2weeks trust the planlike a geriatric qoomer.
Trump can't put boots on the ground and his homefront is collapsing in real time.
>>2713641Jordan and Saudi wouldn't. Who else is going to wait years for the 5 day SMO to finish when they could just pay their way through the strait? Bahrain and Dubai are basically fucked if the peace breaks.
>>2713653Shut up, brainlet.
>>2713645there hasn't been a single gulf citizen death
>>2713654>who are you even talking to? you're the one postingThe poster I was replying to.
>Trump can't put boots on the ground and his homefront is collapsing in real time.That was never the plan unless they can start the civil war, and at that point they would do limited boots like Syria. That is their MO now. But those are stretch goals. Bombing the shit out of them is the first one.
>>2713650Looks like a malfunction
>>2713661maybe he just likes landing like that
>>2713663>MEKFucking crying, ts and the Shah all they got
>>2713654There's not a single state in the Middle East currently cocksucking America that's going to stop cocksucking America. Even Japan, the only country nuked, has a firm pair of cocksucking lips.
Meanwhile, cucks like Putin are losing their grip on even Belarus – Belarus! – because of their weakness, and he somehow managed to pull off the miracle of getting BOTH Armenia and Azerbaijan reaching out to the hegemon.
>gotta impress da BRICS allies, thoYa, worked out well with India.
Too many leftists like to over-intellectualize geopolitics, but it really all does come down to schoolyard-tier dominance displays.
>>2713564Maybe hot take but all diasporoid groups are fucking terrible. I grew up knowing the Armenian diasporoids (because I am one) and they are a bunch of fascist retards who hate communism and constantly push a death cult on actual Armenians knowing that it will never affect them. When I see polacks, Jews, Ukrainians, gusanos, “Persians”, etc it’s just basically the same as my retarded nationalist cousins in Yerevangeles
>>2713667>There's not a single state in the Middle East currently cocksucking America that's going to stop cocksucking Americaok hope they enjoy getting bombed every 2 hours then
>>2713667Putin doesn’t have a grip on Belarus at all and never has. Lukashenko does what he wants always, always has, always will. I can tell you don’t know ball from one sentence
>>2713671Iran will agree to a ceasefire by mid-April at the latest. With its refusal to make Israeli officials fear for their lives, it's already indicated that it's doing a performative retaliation and wants an off-ramp.
>>2713663This is cope, the Arachnid Soviet is currently negotiating the Treaty of Breast-Lickovsk with the Israeli Communist Party
>>2713672Cope. Funny how Luka started releasing prisoners for Blumph only after Putin made Russia look weak. Just a coincidence, I guess.
>>2713675Post saved for my next receipts drop.
>>2713588gracechan is a retarded monarchist larper. don't feed them. they belong in their containment thread in /siberia/
>>2713659they're not putting boots on syria, they're not putting boots on iran. bibi is trying to drag the US in but iran precision striking all their US bases and military contractors is TACOing them out.
>>2713667you guys love to talk about everything BUT the matter at hand hey? ;^)
NOW: 15-20 explosions in Bahrain, with confirmed impacts in the US base with visible smoke
>>2713680taking your own life would be the only worthwhile contribution you could make to the world
>>2713683Name one state in the Middle East that's going to sever ties with America. You're a coward.
>>2713685You're mad that reality doesn't align with your toddler wishes. You feel impotent, like the waste of oxygen you are.
>>2713683>they're not putting boots on syria, they're not putting boots on iranAre you literally illiterate? For one, tthey already have boots on Syria and will for the forseeable future. You really don't know anything do you? Two I told you bpots would be a second stage, this stage is planned for with no boots.
>>2713688>>2713687>>2713686delussional retard having a meltdown make sure to kys
>>2713689>deffend>agression>writting>delussionalDude, stop posting until you learn to spell. If you can't learn to spell like someone worth a damn, then put a bullet in your pathetic head.
>>2713689This guy also said there would be American boots on the ground in the Ukraine in 2023, same exact rhetoric, same posting style. He is a lolcow of the highest order
>>2713689>delussional retard having a meltdown make sure to kysThe ironing. Also perfect illustration of your magical thinking. You think wishing I will kill myself will move anything towards that outcome.
>>2713693Are you going full melty now? Stop tilting at windmills.
>>2713694nah it's just cos you annoying retard
>NEW: A U.S. official told Reuters that IRGC officials are 'unlikely to voluntarily capitulate'
>>2713696So when do you graduate high school?
>>2713698I think you're being too hard on him. Last year, he got through the alphabet in five minutes and needed prompting only twice.
>>2713686those fake ass states don't matter. the industry is going to cut a deal with iran for safe passage when it looks like the SMO is going to drag.
trump had bargaining power BEFORE he dropped the negotiations and let all his bases get demolished. he's not going balls deep on WOT 2.0 for a bunch of countries he can't pronounce.
>>2713705They do that shit all the time, knowing that Iran will go "lol, see they're scared, we can stop now."
>>2713698>>2713704>samefagging after people stop replying to your schizo meltdownSAD!
>>2713705they always report people in the admin are concerned. it never matters
>>2713717did he get clipped or did it just spontaneously explode due to incompetence?
They're just not responding in a serious enough manner so far to the death of the Supreme Leader. HOPEFULLY, this is an AD depletion phase, but I'm gonna doom spiral if we reach next week with the same wimpy targets.
>>2713714tbh if he was shot down in Iran they'd put him in jail and in front of camera. Bad publicity to kill mutt POWs sadly
>>2713711I said before it happened I didn't want to make any calls on the uprising angle, but I was proven right that was a key element and Trump keeps talking about it, so I was proven right in that regard. Now I'm going to say I think it seems unlikely. Killing Khamenei was probably a bad move in that regard. I actually addressed too the difficulties they would likely face finding rebels to arm.
I think the real thing that made them push for this now was the protests. I think they, or some of them thought, that meant they could get a civil war started, but if you look at it, that's dumb as hell. They're claiming Iran killed 30k of the people who would take to the streets for regime change, and locked up however many more multiples. Those are obviously their best potential operatives, just got taken out of the equation. It doesn't make sense to start it right after that. I think they don't have enough of a network in Iran currently, what would've been wiser would've been to wait and see if they can build their local network, then do all the rest of this in coordination. But I think that they rushed this because of the impending midterms. I think for sure Trump was moved by the protests thing, he's dumb enough to believe their made up figures and be moved emotionally when they're like "this horrible thing is happening to these innocent people Mr. Trump and you can stop it! This is how you win your peace prize!" I think maybe the politicians involved are dumb enough to believe this uprising thing would be a shoe-in. I don't think Netanyahu and all the military and intelligence guys are that dumb and they're looking at real info me and you can only speculate about. I think they have a much more realistic appraisal of what was possible and what was likely and they were still like "worth it!" That's who's really calling the shots is the ones that are smart enough to know all this shit. The dumb ones like Trump are just along for the ride. Don't pay attention to them so much because you won't learn a damn thing because they don't know what's going on anymore than you or me.
/pol/ seem to think Netanyahu died but I'm seeing no evidence this is the case.
ngl this war has had the worst fog of war I've ever seen with all the misinformation and AI spam. literally the only way to determine what's "real" is when state-sponsored media reports it.
>>2713719imo they're doing exactly what's needed for a prolonged war. the US is quickly panicking that they don't have enough air defense missiles to protect Israel for much longer.
Do Bibi and Trump have any reason to fear for their own livelihoods? Give it to me fo' real, fam, so I can go grind Khan Academy instead of wasting a couple of weeks on this.
>>2713724Bibi is currently hiding out in Germany or at least using a fake plane that landed in Germany using the Wing of Zion ID to misdirect. So he's clearly scared.
Trump is not at all at risk. Iran doesn't have ICBM's.
>>2713652>US and Israel have not been caught with their pants down yet. They were expecting all of this. They planned for all of this.They didn't. They wanted war, but they weren't expecting Iran to blow up so many American bases and area denial them out of access to easy bombing spots
>>2713723>ngl this war has had the worst fog of war I've ever seen with all the misinformation and AI spam.AI spam is the worst of all this and just shits up information. This is the future and it is annoying
>>2713727I dont think they give a shit as long as it destroys Iran in the end. They will front the cost, even if it accelerates America's decline.
>>2713725How many Israeli/American officials have been killed? That's what reciprocal retaliation entails in this case.
Have the targeted Dimona yet? That's what reciprocal retaliation for the strikes against Iran's civilian nuclear facilities last year entails.
The targets we've seen are the same evac'd structures that we saw last time, and everyone copes by dropping unverifiable claims about CIA/Mossad glowies being present.
>>2713726>Trump is not at all at risk. Pretty sure that Iran has more capabilities than the redneck who got within inches of Trump's head in 2024.
>>2713676What did this failson do to get a bunch of twitter posters to shill for him all the time? Fuad is still alive and I don't see any egyptian diasparoids yapping about him its so fucking bizarre
>>2713715I also have no faith in Iran at all. Saddam lit the wells on fire before being taken out. Iran has failed to even deploy fire-and-forget mines over the strait, much less attack any hydrocarbon infrastructure. Probably, because like last time, they are not allowed to rock the oil supply too much.
inb4 Hit-dubai-again.jpeg
Iran could erase, literally collapse overnight, the economies of every single gulf comprador by just using those missiles to hit the refineries, storage and pipeline facilities. Think of *that* for a prize. Trillions of $ gone in days, the entire base of power of these governments erased overnight. The petrodollar gone. NATO economies reeling. Probably the cold war decided right then and there.
Alas, the Iranian ruling class probably just wants to keep being frenemies with the USA. And a better deal and a chance to be a vassal to Russia/China.
>>2713737>Iran could erase, literally collapse overnight, the economies of every single gulf comprador by just using those missiles to hit the refineries, storage and pipeline facilities. Think of *that* for a prize. Trillions of $ gone in days, the entire base of power of these governments erased overnight. The petrodollar gone. NATO economies reeling. Probably the cold war decided right then and there.You know thats their final option right?
>>2713726can we stop pretending netanyahu is outside israel every time there's a war with iran or hezbollah
>>2713717looks like a F-15
>>2713725seems like the only thing the yanks have that works is the thaad system, and it's only deployed at major air bases in the persian gulf.
kuwait
>ali al salem airbase<hit>camp patriot<hitbahrain
>manama port<hit>shaikh isa air base<unknownqatar
>al udeid air base<interceptionsUAE
>jebel ali port<hit>fujairah naval base<hit>al dhafra air base<interception >>2712915NEH means have to go to work tomorrow. not having to go to work due to teotwawki means shtf time bug out grab sks go innawood. if not innawood, not happen.
still posting? = NEH
>>2712942exactly
>>2713735Because as much as the Shia clergy has cultural capital on the Iranians, so too did any notion of a shah.
>>2713631you cant conclusively say that either of those fell because of america. each one hard particular extenuating circumstances that were unrelated
>>2713737Good post. I refuse to indulge performative targets this time. The only way Iran restores deterrence and stops this happening every six months is either building the bomb or showing that American/Israeli leaders will be targeted.
>>2713731>mirror every attack of your opponent with the same type of attackis not a required or even good strategy. it forces you to follow the tactics of your opponent rather than other ones that may be more to your advantage. the us/israel use those tactics because they have no stamina and need to create a big blow and propaganda spectacle they hope will get them a quick knockout. they are tactics that suit them and their situation.
Iran seems to be following a plan to target strategic military infrastructure, punish us/israel and its puppets, and an initial stage of this is draining their AD (exploiting their lack of stamina). The point of all this is to reshape the regional security situation so that the US and its puppets will never want to hit Iran again because they know there will be a price they don't want.
Allowing the US to dictate Iran's tactics by what it chooses for itself (you have to do the same thing the US does when it does it like a copy cat or you're a cuck!) is not necessarily a good strategy or suited to Iran's strengths.
>>2713652>they frankly don't carei dont think this is true. theyre pretty quiet because they are still measuring the impact.
>>2713605>then we're likely in for a long war.unless israel chimps out or calls daddy. i think theyre a bit like a roided out psycho or rabid dog, and their own egoic self perception means they think they have ultimate escalation dominance, which means they will just become increasingly more psycho, and theres only one prescription for a dog with rabies
>>2713750Which two are you referring to? As for Syria, they fucked them the fuck up. I bought into the meme of "can't Mossad the Assad!" and "Who must go?" But honestly in retrospect it seems like there was a strong element of just letting the status quo remain because they were very happy with it. It's like those fighters that beat the guy woozy but refuse to KO him, I remember Anderson Silva got accused of that a bit.
>>2713752Iran can also forcefully remove American bases from the Middle East. I think China gave Iran blessing for that
>>2713757im just explaining the internet history of NEH, its inherently 4chan coded, posting is not endorsement
>>2713744If you live in America NEH is undefeated. I'm pretty sure this counts as a happening from the Iranian end.
>>2713737bullshit. this is iran enacting their stated policy to the letter: every time they get bombed they're going to do this again. if isn'treal even mentions bombing them, they're going to bomb israel. it's really clear, decisive, and legal by UN resolution.
>>2713735*I'd also add that TBH the Islamic Revolution is still fairly recent in time–frankly, the Pahlavists are on the edge of being irrelevant past this generaiton. This is probably their last real chance.
Usually after 45+ years, pretenders become increasingly irrelevant.
>>2713582>China should try pushing toward sanctions at the very least. I understand the risk but the reward is to great.contradicts their no interference in internal affairs which is a core pillar. unless you mean sanctions passed by the UN, in which case there is not "risk" because they wont happen
>>2713764do they not go to work tomorrow? leftypol 'happening' is just when there so many posts threads turn into twitch chat
>>2713768China is already sanctioning USA. They call it "export controls"
US Embassy in Bahrain just got hit. Seems like Bahrain is out of AD, continuous successful hits in the last few hours
>>2713772Kuwait, not Bahrain
>>2713754We'd better hope this is only an AD-draining stage, because nothing I've seen so far is going to deter the US/Israel doing this again.
>>2713772None of the small monarchies can do anything. Iraq can just march in Kuweit and restore lawful order
>>2713765There's way too many backseat gamers on leftypol, ngl.
>>2713766The Pahlavis are never going to have any legitimacy again. Its already too late. Nobody cares about the Shah's son. The Iranian opposition itself is a total clownshow. Even if America magically puts him back, it would be a catastrophic internal crisis because nobody except diaspora larpers want him back. The most realistic chance America ever has is putting a softy Reformist in charge and let Iran get culturally domed like they attempted with the Iran Deal.
America just wants to pummel Iran to be weak. They dont give a shit about bringing a new person, that's a boogeyman to make retards in Iran chimp out, get killed, and cause more internal conflict.
>>2713737In all these wars Iran is getting weakened much faster than it can recover. This is a salami slicing tactic by Israel and America. The regime will collapse eventually. If I was in Iran's shoes I would go out guns blazing Saddam style.
>>2713779Something was shot down, though. Something with a turbojet
Are you guys new to the copium game or do you guys just never grow out of it? So much fucking copium about Israel over the years. What is the point? They're not a joke.
>Israel, can't/won't do that!
Then they do it. Lather rinse repeat.
A lot of you, if you were war-planners your entire plan would be like:
>We charge at the enemy!
>THEN he slips and falls on a banana peel!
>but then he falls backwards on a pile of thumbtacks!
>And then when he's writing in pain on the ground we finish him off!
>>2713781brother nobody cares about israel anymore. they're totally spent and basically irrelevant.
>>2713737ok they blow their whole load, now what leverage is left?
>>2713555>I keep telling you guys, they knew it was going to be a protracted war and they are prepared for it. The Iranians pre-programmed their strategic missile launchers to keep firing and whatever command and control structure they have for them is still operating. That is very important. It could be decentralized, which would be a little weird, because launching strategic weapons (ballistic missiles) is different from artillery, like those missiles will land in different countries so that usually requires higher-level command authorization, but whatever they did appears to be working.
>>2713558>That's what the SMO was supposed to be to lmao, except the imperialists have not achieved any of their goals in Iran. It's obvious by this point that their primary goal was to cause the collapse of the Islamic Republic with a short, rapid military intervention. Failing that, they were hoping that after taking a beating, the Iranians would be both incapable of resisting and willing to negotiate. None of that has happened. I wouldn't count your chickens yet. I've heard a theory that Trump wanted this to be over by Monday before the stock market crashes (well that plan is busted, if true), but there's another theory that the plan is to go on for weeks and modeled on Milosevic in Serbia in 1999 in which the U.S. bombed them for 78 days i.e.
>>2713617The idea is to create some change in the government or the behavior of the government rather than regime change. Those are two different things. Or something like that … I'm just reporting what I'm hearing about what the Trump administration might be thinking. It's very difficult to do regime change with Iran because the IRGC has such control over the economy and that's not going to disappear because you bomb them. One potential model they're also looking at is Russia in the 90s where the KGB turned into the FSB but still retained a lot of power (and put one of their guys into the presidency). Like we're supposed to be Marxists here so we need to factor in who controls the means of production. But the war planners in the U.S. also factor that into their planning (in a way).
>>2713663>Looks like Pahlavi supporters might get sidelined.The U.S. does not really like them. Israel shills the Persian nationalists hard, but they're really not the CIA's boys like some people think. It's not the case. A big problem is that the monarchists are associated with Persian fascist oppression of Kurds and (Iranian) Azerbaijanis. It's just a non-starter for Reza Pahlavi to take over. Their guests on VOA Persian are not allowed to mention his name or they don't get invited back. I think the U.S. agenda wants Iranian minorities to play an important role in whatever future government exists there if they're successful at bringing down the REGIME (as they say).
>>2713787>I think the U.S. agenda wants Iranian minorities to play an important role in whatever future government exists there if they're successful at bringing down the REGIME (as they say).Bingo, dismantle the Islamic Republic but keep the Republic.
Ironically the IRI is hilariously minority focused, a shit load of the state is operated by Azeris, not Persians.
>>2713789>Ironically the IRI is hilariously minority focused, a shit load of the state is operated by Azeris, not Persians.That's also true.
Here's a couple of other things. Don't be too sad about Iranian missiles failing to get through interceptors, because that's kind of the POINT of Iran firing those missiles. They want to burn up those interceptors (they're very expensive, take a long time to replace), which will over time force the United States to pull back.
Also, the U.S. and Israel have destroyed missile launchers. But there are missile stockpiles and production facilities which have not been destroyed. They're in mountains. So I don't think Iran is just going to run out of them in a week.
>>2713765>bullshit. this is iran enacting their stated policy to the letter: every time they get bombed they're going to do this again. if isn'treal even mentions bombing them, they're going to bomb israel. it's really clear, decisive, and legal by UN resolution.You know, one elephant in the room with "multipolarism" as a theory of what happens when US hegemony wanes. Is that the resulting liberalism is an unstable equilibrium. Because everyone is fighting to preserve or expand their share of globalized capitalism, needing the crisis, but not too much of it.
And I think this may be one of those times where the better outcomes are so close within reach, but discarded, because there is profit to be made instead.
At some point, those "international law" talking points will sound as hollow coming from regional liberals as they do now in the mouth of UNSC permanent members.
>>2713794do you know if the iranians have silos
>>2713789>a shit load of the state is operated by Azeris,do you have any proof of this besides khamenei being half azeri
>>2713806I mean thats already like 50%
>>2713682The gracefags should be banned honestly.
>>2713490I have yet to hear a serious counter to "china could just blockade Taiwan and there's little anyone could do about it". TSMC being barred from exporting alone would cripple the place. Taiwan is so close that mainland coastal-launched anti-ship missiles are a threat to anyone trying to get in. THey have absolutely massive drone swarms that could be used to target interceptor missile launchers. The moment they want to they can do what the US does to Cuba only far more complete.
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