So we hope or we doom?
war sucks
>>2712712Thats a great song, based Red Krayola enjoyer.
>>2712704what are the objetcives?
>>2712721
why are we assuming it's either?
Re-posting this here just cause it's interesting and provoked discussion. Drone or jet?
>>2712688They fly solo when there's zero AD or an enemy airforce.
>>2712683True, I guess.
>>2712727where was that video shot? why are we assuming it's either a drone or jet?
>>2712726What else would it be?
>>2712729Near Tehran. Intercepted by Iranian AD.
>>2712731how do we know it's near tehran? we don't see anything hit whatever is falling in that video. how do we know?
>Conflict in the Middle East: Macron convenes a defense council at the Elysée | AFP
zamn. i guess iran is firing missiles at paris
>>2712739It was hit earlier. Why would it be falling like that?
>>2712729Here is my reasoning for why I think it's an aircraft. 👉
>>2712634I guess we'll have to wait and see till there is daylight to inspect the wreckage.
We'll know whether this was a nothingburger if the Irani don't parade it the next morning.
So Iran is actually raining hellfire on everyone? Based
>>2712743was it? how do you know? is there another video? how do we know it's near tehran?
>>2712752Bruh uygha quit acting stupid
>>2712755what? because i don't take your word for shit? jfc
people can post any old clips here and claim they're whatever and you dumb motherfuckers will eat it up without question
>>2712754any outside iran, though?
>>2712758Well this one ain't either of those. It's in Persian, consistent with the time of day there and isn't from the previous war.
Iran doesn’t exist, Israel doesn’t exist, this is all a movie, nothing is happening, all fake
A missile landed in the countryside of Damascus, there are casualties.
Our correspondent from Damascus reported that an Iranian missile hit the town of Ain Terma in the countryside of Damascus in response to Israeli defense systems. According to initial reports, there are casualties and extensive damage to a building.
The reporter reported that ambulances rushed to the scene to transport the injured and provide the necessary assistance.
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that the UK has approved a US request to use military bases in the UK for “limited and defensive” operations targeting Iranian missile depots and launch sites.
In a recorded statement, Starmer said, “The only way to stop the threat is to destroy the missiles in their depots or launch pads.” He stated that the U.S. requested permission to use the bases for this specific and limited defensive purpose, and that they granted the request to prevent Iran from launching missiles into the region and targeting civilians.
The Prime Minister said that British fighter jets were also in the air as part of coordinated defense operations and that, within this context, “Iranian attacks were successfully thwarted.”
>>2712776
iran NEEDS to kill the jordanian royal family and call on palestinians in jordan to take the country
>>2712639>Not gonna pretend like there aren't infiltrators in these organizations, but replies like these promoting this to the chief issue are so tedious and boring. No, your favorite organizations didn't collapse because of CIA/Mossad/FBI infiltration, they collapsed under the weight of their own internal contradictions. External forces are never the director of change, even when they have harmful effects. Infiltrators can hurt, but it's never the killing blow or greatest harm. Lifting up infiltration to be the chief issue undermining any revolutionary struggle is to throw out dialectical materialism for vulgar conspiracies.The ironing of you trying to act like I am detached from reality. Dude you are so high on your own farts. I'm really tired of these posts that say absolutely nothing but just throwing out buzzwords.
>organize!>internal contradictions>revolutionary struggle>dialecticool>undelectable Like why write just a string of nonsense?
>>2712777I doubt its the diaspora and more The Zionist Entity stovepiping curated intelligence to the whitehouse and Trump personally. id bet anything the fat retard has prioritized zionist intel over US and Euro+, lmao.
>>2712775will this save kid starvers approval?
>>2712716I don’t think they have any.
>>2712760I dont think there are any outside Iran.
Not that it matters though. Fatwas issued by Iran have pull. It did motivate attempts at killing the author of the Satanic Verses after all
>>2712775all america has to do is to wave the carrot on a stick of "killing third worlders" and europe will fall in line like puppies. so much for 'fehlinger doctrine'!
>>2712789>I dont think there are any outside Iran. there are shias in iraq, pakistan and the gulf… including the most important ayatollah sistani of iraq
BREAKING: Initial reports of an Iranian missile or drone strike at Akrotiri Airbase, Cyprus, which houses British forces and aircraft
>>2712794True i forgot about sistani.
J think there were some rumors of Sistani issuing jihad, but i dont think anything has happened yet
>>2712799I bet he means there either are more and announcements are staggered or some are currently critical.
Honestly, it's amazing to see what can be kept alive, i dread to see what horrors are wheeling around tel-aviv care hospices.
>>2712775i bet all the redditers are fuming at sir keir for not doing enough, and maybe there's a couple who are like he's doing the best job he can in a really difficult situation
>>2712775Wasn’t there a big hubbub about him saying they won’t let the U.S. use their bases to invade Greenland? The hypocrisy is expected but doubly funny.
>>2712812The impression I’ve seen online and in person is no one wants this war. Starmer and Trump are just the farce to Blair and Bush’s tragedy.
>>2712775trump got stitched up by bibi and now starmer is getting stitched up by trump.
starting this was such a dumb move. they had them at the negotiating table, running the clock favored the seppos.
breaking the peace fucked that, now Iran's best move is to go beast mode and smack every comprador regieme in the region. they were already calling on the US to pacify Iran, now their defense deals look like trash and their markets are in freefall. The US's best move was to not let things get hot and grind down Iran.
Now Trump's best case scenario is that the US loses Israel by exiting the region, worst case is the US ceases to exist as runaway spending on their bloated armed forces and internal conflicts rip their empire apart.
>>2712775..?
Oh, right, Cyprus. Wait, Cyprus? Is the situation on US bases that bad?
Reported Attack on Cyprushttps://nitter.net/ME_Observer_/status/2028232395946971512If true, this is the base where the Israelis are hiding a lot of their airforce and a hit there would be a significant achievement for Iran
Re the post in the last thread talking about more realist types not approving of this: let's take off our leftist/anti interventionist hats for a second and evaluate this conflict using the rules that Biden's admin set for going to war (as best as I can remember them, I'm at work and a brief google search didn't bring them up)
>1. Does the govt have the American People's support for going to war?
Lol, lmao
>2. Does it benefit the US?
Well, it benefits Israel, and I guess that's all that matters at the end of the day, right?
>3. Does the intervention have a plausible and clear goal?
The goal (regime change) is certainly clear, but not plausible. So long as it's only limited to air strikes, the Iranian government will stand, and the American people have no appetite for an occupation after Iraq.
tl;dr even from a very pro American perspective this is fucking stupid
There was never a plan to destroy 7 countries after 9/11 culminating with Iran. This is actually just because Netahyahu has blackmail of Trump fellating Epstein o algo
Sorry to any ziggas ITT but the Iranians treating the US 5th Fleet HQ like it's the Black Sea Fleet is fucking cracking me up
>>2712852It does have american strategic interest, it is to encircle China and sabotage the beld and road project
I thought iran had trump blackmail? Where is it?
>>2712858The amount of online leftists who believe the US has no material gain from imperialism and are simply duped into it by jewish tricknology and Epstein blackmail is staggering
What are the odds that China makes a play for Taiwan in the near future? Seems like America is expending a lot of its air power and munitions trying to fuck up Iran and the coalition seems otherwise distracted.
>>2712862Being against aggression by both Russia and the US is the morally consistent option. This is a world of barbaric superpowers and upstanding micro nations.
>>2712833Ehhh, I see this whole thing as the final stage in their plan they started in Trump's first term. This Abraham Accord thing was truly masterful. All the Arab states are firmly in the bag with Israel now. I guess from what we're learning this year, the Saudis seem to want the Iranians gone as much as the Israelis, I don't know what the Saudi-Iranian talks the Chinese brokered were really about, maybe it was always part of the rouse. But yeah, the longer they let Iran exist, the more chances of them getting out from the sanctions and pariah state status. Also it's not a coincidence IMO that Assad got got relatively soon after the Ukraine war. The Russians are tied the fuck up up there, so they can't help out Iran too much. Also Trump only has until the midterms to be able to pull this off so smoothly.
Basically, it was now or never for to finish the Iran regime change project. Also, you can't look at US foreign policy through the lens of "what is best for America's interests as a whole" because there is no America. America is just like 20 corporations and lobbies in a trench coat. There are the factions that want Iran gone and that's all they give a fuck about.
>>2712723I was thinking that the way to go is bombing data centers
hasan's analysis is really caught up on popular discontent forcing the hand of Israel/USA to stop their aggression. how naive. public opinion doesn't matter for shit.
>>2712872None? Why would they unnecesarily flare up hostilities in a population they plan to govern, if they can just swallow them up economically?
>>2712866it takes 10 days to drive from shanghai to berlin. on roads the us can't drive an aircraft carrier up to. you blinked, belt and road is done.
>>2712874>morally consistent optionlol nobody cares
go be cannon fodder for banderites for moral consistency points
>>2712875is there anything interesting in that article as to why saudi wants iran gone?
>>2712875> maybe it was always part of the rouse. But yeah, the longer they let Iran exist, the more chances of them getting out from the sanctions and pariah state status. Speaking of too. Suspiciously, I was following news about Syria before that final overthrow came out of the blue, all the headlines about Assad and Syria was that the Arab States were starting to normalize relations with him and were getting tired of the perpetual war. That might've had something to do with the swift ending. Also on that note, I think people think in really simplistic terms when they're like:
>Hahaha the US isn't winning! They haven't even managed to overthrow the regime and install in their puppet.I don't think they care about that as much as people think they do. I think forever wars is what they consider the best outcome. Like I was just saying, if the Ukraine war somehow ended on whatever terms it ended on, even restoring the full territorial integrity of Ukraine, that's not as favorable as Russia being indefinitely tied up there and losing more manpower all the time too. Just think of the US government as warmongers in the purest sense. The more war = more better. Stability and development would mean that a country could become strong enough to throw off their yoke.
>>2712893the NEH era will be officialy over when nukes are used, before that is just business as usual
>>2712833>Now Trump's best case scenario is that the US loses Israel by exiting the regionAnerica and Israel are attached to the hip so that will never happen. The US is going to stay in this conflict to the very end.
Shit is bleak in Europe, only Spain condemned Israel/US, mumbling something about international law and then Germany was mad and answered "not the time for that". So long rule based order.
BREAKING: ROCKETS FIRED FROM LEBANON TOWARDS ISRAEL. HEZBOLLAH CHADS HAVE ENTERED THE FRAY
>>2712897And for the non-spectacle brained idiots - when, not if, an American carrier is sunk, that's the point of no return.
>>2712889https://archive.is/Sw5GuNothing too specific.
>President Donald Trump launched Saturday’s wide-ranging attack on Iran after a weeks-long lobbying effort by an unusual pair of U.S. allies in the Middle East — Israel and Saudi Arabia — according to four people familiar with the matter, as Israeli and U.S. forces teamed to topple Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei after nearly four decades in power.
>Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman made multiple private phone calls to Trump over the past month advocating a U.S. attack, despite his public support for a diplomatic solution, the four people said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, continued his long-running public campaign for U.S. strikes against what he views as an existential enemy of his country.
>In his discussions with U.S. officials, however, the Saudi leader warned that Iran would come away stronger and more dangerous if the United States did not strike now, after amassing the largest military presence in the Middle East since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, said the people, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive situation.I mean, I think it just makes sense. The Saudis are already fighting "Iranian proxies." The Saudis want to be the kings of the Middle East and that is complicated by a strong Iran that has its own interests and the ability to go after them. Also the Sunni Shia thing of course. Probably want to weaken the Shia portion of the Muslim world as much as they can.
>>2712893It's so stupid to call 2022 the return of history. History had returned at the latest in 2001
>>2712906no nukies = all in on NEH, its that simple
>>2712905beat me by 30 seconds
why doesnt this shit ass site have emotes or anything
need to drop a sadge
>>2712904Europe is pussies. In the past it made sense but with their giant buildup you'd think they'd try their power a little but no. They're still afraid of everyone
>>2712910Fukuyama's "end of history" is basically the West ruling forever, and bombing the Rest whenever they feel like it with no consequence.
Russia shooting back, does, in fact, ruin that idea.
>>2712920this is a post-source community
>>2712908https://rocketalert.livethere are rocket alerts in the north
Reminder China has 600 nukes.
>>2712925I agree with the gey nazi flag poster that this is IDF. I remember way back when there was a false alarm that Israel was striking Iran. This was one of the first accounts to start posting that fighter jets were over northern Iraq.
Trump’s latest speech shows his ‘desperation’
Trita Parsi, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, says President Trump’s latest comments on the US-Israeli attacks on Iran show his “desperation”.
“It is very clear that Trump has tremendous difficulty finding a justification for this war of choice that he has embarked on that actually will work with his base… If this goes on for another week or two this is going to become a political disaster, so now he is suddenly, desperately, is using all kinds of justifications,” Parsi told Al Jazeera.
Earlier on Sunday, Trump told the Daily Mail newspaper the conflict with Iran could last for four weeks. Parsi said this is likely an attempt to send a message to Tehran, despite the lack of support for the fighting in the US.
“He [Trump] has already reached out to Tehran offering a ceasefire. The Iranians have rejected it and I think he [Trump] has come to the conclusion that his eagerness to make a quick end to this war has signalled a weakness and the Iranians are going to try and take advantage of that and will not agree to a ceasefire until they have inflicted significant pain on the United States,” said Parsi.
>>2712875>but muh midtermsthis is going to turn into a quagmire that goes on for years and puts the oil market into chaos. the midterms aren't going to happen. or they're going to happen under the supervision of trump's brownshirts.
trump can't effectively weigh the interests of these factions and this is why he's leading the world into disaster.
>>2712932The Germans out producing the US in ammunition despite their tiny defense budget should show you just how much graft exists in the US MIC.
>>2712905I texted my friend complaining that hezbollah is dead like 20 minutes ago lol
>>2712923As long as everyone is still going to work, the treat supply chain is intact or functional enough, and the sky is still blue, I'm ALL IN on NEH. I live in a pretty peripheral country, 0 geopolitical relevance, you know what was happening here during WW2? You guessed: nothing. Thats why I say its business as usual as long as nukes aren't flying around. Sorry.
>>2712932I have trouble believing Cuckran would kill burgers, did they forget to warn the ameticans the drone was coming? Israeli false flag?
>>2712940what if all the final warnings worked and that’s why they never attacked
>>2712947would this have happened under kamala?
>>2712957Not the guy you're replying to, but it sure as hell doesn't matter now. Trump's in the White House, and is there for the next three years.
>>2712936Huh? I was just saying this would be harder to start after them potentially once they no longer have the House. From another standpoint, this war might make the midterm situation worse for the Rs, who knows, but it's just this is the best opportunity they have to get this started for the foreseeable future.
>trump can't effectively weigh the interests of these factions and this is why he's leading the world into disaster.Yeah I mean he's in super heavy with the Zionist clique. Besides that, he's grown up on the same R propaganda. Iran is the perpetual bogeyman. He even invoked the fucking 79 hostage crisis again. They're never going to let that one go as long as there is a boomer alive that remembers it. Of course he wants to go down as the President who finally took out the top dog of the Axis of Evil that they've all wanted gone for half a century now.
I also think he's retarded and thinks this level of bullying will help him honestly get a deal or something. Actually, he just has no idea what he wants. He says "rise up and overthrow the regime" in the same speech as "these attacks will force Iran to accept a deal." Trump is almost irrelevant to analyze because he has conflicting internal opinions let alone the fact that he's mercurial.
What is up with that Bolton thing btw? Lol. Need to read up more on that and why Bolton is coming out against the thing he's been working his whole life for. I guess people were suggesting that it's because his MEK patrons don't like this regime change route for some reason, but I don't understand why they wouldn't, this seems better for them than the status quo even if it's not perfect for them.
>>2712962I mean Trump has put them in a situation where it's impossible for them to make a deal with him and I don't know if there is any intention on his part or he is just literally too stupid to realize that.
Evening recap
Events are still unfolding rapidly across the Middle East, so here's a quick recap:
>The death toll from the US-Israeli strike on a girls’ school in Minab has climbed to 165, according to the city’s prosecutor.
<At least 20 people have been killed in a US-Israeli attack on the Iranian capital, according to Iranian state-linked media, marking another deadly attack in the widening assault on the country.
>Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has dismissed US President Donald Trump’s warning against retaliation, vowing that Tehran will place “no limit” on its right to defend itself after what he described as massive US-Israeli bombardment.
<The US military says it has hit more than 1,000 targets across Iran since launching its war on Saturday.
>The US military says it has destroyed the headquarters of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in a large-scale strike.
<President Donald Trump has suggested that Israeli-US war on Iran could continue for up to a month.
>Haaretz reported that roughly 200 buildings have sustained damage in the latest wave of attacks.
<The United Kingdom has agreed to a US request to use British military bases for what Prime Minister Keir Starmer claimed are “defensive” strikes on Iranian missile sites.
>All crossings into the Gaza Strip have been closed until further notice, Israel’s military agency overseeing the occupied West Bank and Gaza, Cogat, said on Sunday, following start of the Israeli-US war on Iran.
<Petrol prices across the United States are set to rise above $3 per gallon on Monday for the first time in more than three months, as the US-Israeli war on Iran disrupts global oil flows and shocks energy markets.
>>2712869The only thing making them left is that they are not right
>>2712935If Iran actually does back down, they are going to look like the ultimate cucks who will take any beating, even after losing their leader to this, and just say "yes sir, please, more." Let us see if there is a cuckening in a week or so and this is just some spectacle to calm down their masses.
>>2712869>how do you do, fellow leftists?I don't think those are leftists.
>>2712978If they back down they are agreeing to be bombed at will like Lebanon and Gaza are.
>>27129820% chance this account isn't indian
>>2712962there's no overland routes for gulf oil. every pipeline that terminates in the persian gulf is generating thousands of contract variations an hour and every market that opens tanks. the paperwork costs are impossible, let alone there not being an end in sight.
they wanted operation iraqi freedom, not the bay of pigs. this is a clusterfuck that just wiped out billions of dollars of wealth and will shake futures, commodities, and forex.
>>2712992>billions of dollars of wealthgenuinely an understatement by 2-3 orders of magnitude
>>2712989Missile sirens in addition to drones
>>2712994don't know what to think about these people, can't trust any think tank by principle, but i'm fine if they aren't rand types
>>2712906>when, not if, an American carrier is sunk, that's the point of no return.kek, TankAnon is having another moment in which he confuses military capability and political will. Reminder: Last year, he was gloating about the B-2s …only to retreat into schizo theories about how no planes actually flew over Iran or some such.
Some sources saying the attack from the north isn't hezobollah but random Palestinian factions
>>2712989Inshallah, the Pissraeli terrorist colony will be gone soon.
>>2712988There is literally no other option for them. How retarded do you have to be to go back to the table with the enemy who says their goal is to remove you from power?
I think they weren't as stupid as they might seem and knew that the negotiations were always a rouse, but they had to play along so they can try to paint themselves as the reasonable party on the world stage(but not like it did a lot of good considering how fast the West came out to unanimously praise the attacks and condemn Iran.) But I think that was their best option at the time even if they knew the US was always going to attack because it was:
>Meet with Trump and do the song and dance like a peace deal is going to come to fruition (and wait for them to attack)<Don't meet with the Trump admin (and wait for them to attack)>Attack firstSo playing along with the "negotiations" was their best move at the time. Going back to square one and just wait for the next inevitable attack doesn't benefit them at this point. It won't win them anymore good boy points in the eyes of the world, it will just make them look weak.
Please. Yemen. You have to opportunity to do the funniest thing
>>2712988Not sure about escalation, to a point yes. but I think the further this war goes on the better it's for Iran. US carrier groups and Israel have way less stockpiles staying power than Iran has. it's really this early Israel US shock and awe Iran has to withstand and it will get easier from there, just like it did last year.
>>2713003>watch the US/Israel in 2025 use negotiations not once but twice to instill a false sense of security and to get targets into convenient locations>cuck leaders 2026: Let's do this again!!!Why should I be sympathetic to people who refuse to learn? Also, still not reciprocal attacks against a single Israeli or American leader.
>>2712988aahahah thank you trump for destroying the west
>>2713006Iran will give a few token refusals to save face and then fizzle the war with not a single hair touched on the head of the Bibi/Trump governments.
Sources are reporting that the Islamic Caliphate Organization have struck the USS Lincoln off the coast of Saudi Arabia. They claim the USA will fall like a house of cards.
Why are they drawing in the RAF when they've mostly been staying out of it?
>>2713015who are your sources
>>2712951Cope fizzlecell. The era of sizzling has begun.
>>2713018give it a week
it'll fizzle, always does
>>2712984> We have called usa> and we are not afraid to call them again> heaven help you if we call them a third time>>2712988yes and no. they can't win against the USA, but the USA can't survive another war on terror. stop now and they look like arseholes. shatter the global economy and USrael look like arseholes.
>>2713007Does that mean the Burgers have given up on regime change? You'd think they'd keep the industry intact if they expect to take control of through a proxy puppet state.
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