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This shit is bananas edition

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
https://azovlobby.substack.com/
https://banderalobby.substack.com/

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DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

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>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

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📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
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📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
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>>2734509
I saw Zelensky post about how Kiev was attacked by missiles. How bad is it going right now because I'm not sure if this has been a consistent thing

>>2737534
brics is not a military alliance.
>>2737532
oh, but US media accused Russia of providing help with image and intelligence fathering against the US.
Iran specifically chose to allow only ships who paid the oil with RMBs, and Chinese satellite are available to Iranians.

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>referendums
>In Donbas
>were not legitimate
speaking of 'cope'
the only ones legitimate are the ones that size their anuses and makes them public property to everyone, including animals.

never ask to the why muh Russia didn't do anything crowd why Russia gave Belarus nukes of all kinds.

>>2739316
Why did he not give these to Iran?

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>>2737550
>>2737559
Democracy means that people need to be able to vote how they want, although I do think that democratic choices should probably be constrained by international law.
>>2737578
I'm not saying the pro-Russia separatists had no popular support - I don't know what the level of popular support would have been. The "referendums" clearly weren't an accurate reflection of popular support, for the reasons I stated.
>>2737595
What you're saying has nothing to do with the fact that Russian-supported separatists ran "referendums" which clearly weren't legitimate.
>>2737627
It's difficult to know who would win. Voters don't want to give their true opinions to pollsters when they believe they could be imprisoned for those opinions.
>>2737532
>anti-imperialist
>Russia
Russia has been waging an imperialist invasion of Ukraine for 4 years now.
>>2737664
I guess there are a lot of Ukrainians who don't want to be subjugated by the imperialist regime in Moscow.
>>2737676
You can support who you like, but any person who imposes imperialism must necessarily oppose Russia's imperialist invasion of Ukraine.

>>2739339
>imposes imperialism
Whoops, that should of course say "opposes imperialism".

>>2739318
Do they need them?

>imperialism is when le war

>>2739339
>Russia has been waging an imperialist invasion of Ukraine for 4 years now.
Nope. Russia is defending its Oblasts of Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, and Kherson from Ukrainian imperialism backed by NATO.

>>2739355
Iran absolutely needs nukes and would benefiting mentally from them yes. That is the key part that has kept North Korea safe from imperialism in being bombed or invaded in the past decades. This should be very clear to you by now seeing all the regime changes and people being toppled that nuclear weapons are a great deterrents

>>2739364
Would benefit immensely*

>>2739364
You say that they need them. But Iran clearly doesn't think they need them considering the Nuclear fatwa.

>>2739367
Yes, they need them if Iran had nukes the United States would not be able to do all these bombings nor could Israel do it to them for all these decades. Them being able to sustain themselves despite the nukes does not mean that they don't need them.

God, I wish the US could be as half of le bad Russia is in terms of imperialism.
Did a M1A2 abrams run over your taxi that transports wood? bad luck, no US citizenship for you, no access to US law, no access to US prosecution, and you'll never get US judges to prosecute the good democratic soldiers that ran over your Iraqi taxi.

Poor, poor, poor imperialized Ukrainians that fell under the legal jurisdiction of Russia, poor, poor, people.

>>2739367
And this is also the same case for somebody like Gaddafi who would have benefited immensely from having nukes to protect himself. Same case for many other leaders. Denuclearization does not help you against imperialism

>>2739371
They wanted to oppress their Russian-speaking population IN PEACE, but then Russia invaded

>>2739369
>>2739371
So why is it Russia's responsibility to convince Iran of this again?

>>2739375
Can you link me to the comment where I said it is Russia's responsibility to convince them?

All ukraine wanted was to complete the Donbass Genocide, but Russia just had to do imperialism and save them :(

>>2739374
I don't understand what you're comment is about in regards to what I posted


>wanted to oppress their Russian-speaking population IN PEACE

>IN PEACE

>>2739382
>>2739383
They'll just say that Russia was hitting their puppets to stoke fears and paranoia and to put the blame on squeeky clean Ukrainian Nazis who didn't do anything wrong\

Oh, and also, after those artillery strikes, OBVIOUSLY the local population wants to return into Ukaine's loving embrace, duh, and Russia represses them and doesn't let them have a self-determination :(

>>2739359
Imperialism is when a country tries to take land from another country, or tries to subjugate that country. Russia is currently trying to do both of these things to Ukraine.
>>2739361
Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson are Ukrainian oblasts, and Ukraine is trying to defend itself from Russia's imperialist invasion

>imperialism is when you take land, the more land you take, the more imperialism!
I guess the first nomads were
>le imperialists!

>>2739339
>>2739406
you have no idea what imperialism means for a marxist, hence why you're condemned to your retarded liberal interpretations of the world that always end up with your support for nato imperialism

>>2739406
While I'm not pro-Ukraine for other reasons (Hate butthurt belt mentality, and despise Galician nationalism and their horseshit anti-communism), I agree in that the Lenin definition of Imperialism being the only form of Imperialism is basically horseshit. Finance Imperialism might be the latest STAGE of Imperialism, but it isn't the only form of Imperialism.
According to clowns here, ISIS, who were trying to establish an Islamic empire through mass ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion, wasn't Imperialist.

>>2739417
Even by Lenin's definition, what Russia is doing is Imperialism. Ignoring the fact that Putin's mindset is to place himself among the Russian Imperial greats as his legacy, he is trying to keep Ukraine under Russian financial boot.

>>2739426
>ISIS, who were trying to establish an Islamic empire through mass ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion, wasn't Imperialist.
ISIS was not imperialist, correct. Read theory:

https://pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html

>>2739339
>Democracy means that people need to be able to vote how they want
ok, so get back to us when ukraine un-bans socialists and pro-russians.
ukraine voted for viktor yanukovich and the party of regions, and their votes were nullified by a gang of criminals who seized power illegally and then systematically banned anyone who opposed that.
ukraine elections since then are just a euromaidan circlejerk where you get to vote for which nato-worshipping banderist you hate the least, and even then they're lying to you (zelensky) and you get the same thing no matter how you vote. 2010 was the last democratic election ukraine had. the referendums in the russian areas since then were more democratic than anything ukraine has had since.

>>2739406
They were given every opportunity to settle with Russia peacefully. When all other options fail, war is inevitable. The fault lies with Ukraine, not Russia.

>>2739411
>>2739417
>imperialism, state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas
https://www.britannica.com/topic/imperialism

I hadn't even looked at that definition beforehand yet my definition is pretty much the same. Interesting.

>>2739426
>Hate butthurt belt mentality
I don't think there's anything wrong with eastern European countries wanting to decide their own futures, within international law, and without Russian imperialism pressing down on them.

>>2739428
Exactly

>>2739457
>get back to us when ukraine un-bans socialists and pro-russians
I think different political positions should be free to exist in a democracy, and yes Ukraine's democracy is flawed (as are all democracies), but that doesn't justify Russia's imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
>ukraine voted for viktor yanukovich and the party of regions
In 2010, yes. Then in 2014, Ukraine's parliament legally voted to remove Yanukovych from power. A new election was held, and Poroshenko won. It seems a Party of Regions candidate stood in 2014, but he only got 3% of the vote.
>the referendums in the russian areas since then were more democratic than anything ukraine has had since
If you can show that opposition supporters (Opposition Platform supporters) in 2019 were being kidnapped by armed militants, as was happening to opponents of unification with Russia in the Donbas "referendums" of 2014, please do.

>>2739459
You're certainly not a leftist if you justify this imperial nonsense from the Kremlin

>>2739426
The only goal of ISIS was defending Israel at all costs. They were not a real, independent political movement or state in any way.

>>2739550
>Ukraine's parliament legally voted to remove Yanukovych from power.
Nope. it was illegal at multiple levels. they did not have sufficient votes to remove (3/4 is required to remove a sitting pres, not just a majority) and they did not follow constitutional procedures of creating a committee to investigate the alleged crime(s) (there were no alleged crimes even given as the grounds for removal), and they did not have the supreme court review the investigation and allegations before the vote to remove, as required by the constitution.
The Euromaidanites had their brownshirts run him out of the country under threat of murder and then used his physical absence as a basis for the vote (which is not a constitutional basis) and then their vote did not get the 3/4ths required either.
It was an illegal and unconstitutional coup at every level. and every election since then has been a euromaidan circlejerk with opposition banned.
so stop giving us bullshit about "democracy". you don't support it. stop wasting our time.

>>2739550
Ukraine started an Anti-Terrorist Operation against it's own citizens because by Ukrainian law army was forbidden to be used against peaceful protesters. Let that sink in

>>2739580
>FSB-operatives are ukrainian citizen

>>2739581
Where's Ukrainian resistance in "occupied territories", then?

>>2739550
>muh democracy
fuck off khokholya

when russia started the SMO, what was the position of the MODS here? mostly pro-russian or pro-ukraine?

>>2739591
Most of the mods are anti-war as in they hate both Ukraine and Russia.

>>2739581
indeed, everyone in this video was a FSB agent for example
https://files.catbox.moe/bv70nh.mp4
warning: nsfl gore, but it's of FSB agents/subhuman russians so should be ok

>The Kremlin told Macron’s advisers to “f* off” when they tried to include Europe in Ukraine talks — FT
>Aide to Vladimir Putin, Yuri Ushakov, reportedly gave a blunt response to French officials who traveled to Moscow and insisted that Europe should take part in negotiations on Ukraine, according to sources cited by the Financial Times.
>“Ushakov’s answer was roughly: ‘Sorry, actually no, we don’t want that — f*** you,’” the newspaper quoted a senior European diplomat as saying.
>French officials reportedly traveled to Moscow in February.
kek

>>2737514
>>2737528
>>2737539
>>2739339
>>2739406
>>2739550
You know that Ukrainians would either kill you on sight or report you to a right-wing militia for being a filthy commie and possibly a homosexual too?

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>>2739550
we peaked liberalism: using encyclopedia britannica to define imperialism.

watch out people, we have a badass.
upcoming point: communists were as bad as nazis, if not worse!
encyclopedia britannica told me

>>2739581
it's public, out in the open. with people stating it. Use AI, look out the name in the screenshot, if he said, who was, what was he doing.
48 hours ATO in Donbas status?
you fucking have the videos: >>2739382, >>2739383

>>2739550
kys nafo lib, you're an imperialist and dont even realize it you absolute dumbfuck, people like you are worse than worthless, you're an obstacle to any human progress towards communism

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