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>Five people were killed and at least 19 others injured in Nikopol market in Ukraine on April 4.
>>2767484sad pig (thats what i called pot belly chihuahua)
why doesnt putin just type "delall ukr" is he stupid?
>>2767501Hohols will stormshadow a Dontesk mall as realization
>They do that every holiday anyway Slovyansk/Kramatorsk Status Update?!
Primorsk pipeline status?
>>2767677piggus are cuties
>>2767786PUTIN NUKE BERLIN NUKE BERLIN NUKE BONN NUKE DUSSELDORF NUKE LEIPZIG NUKE STUTTGART
The Serbian authorities have discovered explosives of “devastating power” planted near a key gas pipeline transporting Russian energy to Hungary, President Aleksandar Vucic has announced, adding that he has briefed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on the matter. This comes after Ukraine essentially shut down Russian oil supplies to Hungary through its territory.
Speaking to reporters on Sunday, Vucic said “two large packages of explosives with sticks” were found in the municipality of Kanjiza, around 10 km from the Hungarian border.
>>2767673Bloomberg is Nazigger pidoraha propaganda, we do not accept it as a reliable source anymore Ukrasisters.
Ukkkraine won. Zisterland lost.
>>2768986>Rampant busification and recruitoors getting murdered on the reg, but err, Russia is also strugglingSo what’s the point of even discussing Ukraine’s woes if they’re going to downplay the importance of said woes by chucking in a “also Russia has the same problem”? The takeaway will always therefore be “Ukraine can take it, Russia can’t, victory is assured”.
Shariy says hezbollah has taken hold of ukrainian drones brought to the middle east and is reverse engineering them. Not sure how he would know that, but wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.
>>2768878>>2768880>This meeting was about smuggling mossad agents from Lebanon Calla
@CallaWalsh
.@Almahatta0
speculates the Ukrainian embassy may have just smuggled a high-up Mossad terrorist, who was sheltering in Ukraine's Beirut embassy, into Syria in a vehicle that was not inspected. Jolani and Zelensky just met in Syria this weekend.
Translation below:
"On Friday evening, around 10 PM, a convoy belonging to the Ukrainian embassy arrived, carrying the second secretary to Ambassador Yuri Kasyanov and his daughter, along with two embassy employees: Fadi Al-Wawi and Tamer Al-Tunisi, to the General Security checkpoint at the Masnaa crossing.
The car was not searched because it is diplomatic, but a General Security officer inspected the passengers’ passports before the convoy crossed the border heading toward Syrian territory.
It is true that international agreements stipulate that diplomatic vehicles should not be searched. However, the Information Branch of the Internal Security Forces has previously searched diplomatic vehicles under the pretext of national security. Airport security has also searched the luggage of Iranian diplomats. This agency also violates established norms among security services, as it relies on detaining foreign individuals and deporting them without handing them over to General Security.
In our case, and given the Ukrainian embassy’s refusal to cooperate with the Lebanese state in handing over a suspect wanted by the judiciary—implicated in the blood of Lebanese citizens and hiding inside its embassy—why does General Security not invoke national security necessities to search its vehicles and halt its dealings, especially since it holds no weight for the Lebanese state?
It is reported that the detained agent is suspected of involvement in serious cases related to threatening security and stability, and planning acts of violence and bombings targeting civilians in recent years. He was also arrested wearing an explosive belt that he was attempting to detonate in Beirut’s southern suburbs.
The agent had fled, about a month ago, to the Ukrainian embassy in Lebanon, where he has been granted protection, preventing his transfer before the judiciary."
I know this is maybe more /isg/ but how does this thread feel about RWA getting exposed? Is it distressing for Anglo Z or is it funny as fuck? (I'm in the latter camp)
>>2771121Exposed as what?
>>2771188turkish soyboys living in germany (as expected).
>>2771121>anglo speaking russian rightards are in fact russian rightards living abroadI'm not sure how I should feel about this information
>>2771192>>2771209Just another in a long line of doxxings by the pro-Ukrainian side.
I saw the article on the Kyiv Independent just now, the irony with these doxxings is that despite the attempt at anonymity, all that gets confirmed is that their online persona isn’t too far off from who they actually are. On the contrary, pro-Ukrainians love to put their faces and names to their online profiles to visibly attach themselves the Ukrainian cause, but when doxxed you find out they’ve got a long history of grifting, or promoting fascism (despite consciously appealing to libs) or wanking off in Auschwitz.
The only real enjoyment that comes out of these doxxings for pro-Ukrainians is seeing that, surprise surprise, terminally online microbloggers look as you’d expect them to. But they’ve yet to capture anyone being handed an envelope of cash from the Russian state, which is what I assume they’re aiming for.
>>2771213Did he have the n-pass? If so, he's cool
Otherwise he's not
>>2771196It’s an observable fact that people become incredibly cringe when taken out of their natural habitat.
>>2771209>>2771224what is the actual difference between Ukrainian and Russian "nationalists"/Nazis? from my ignorant standpoint it seems like their only actual squabbles are historical things that exist in any other ethnic dispute, but on everything else they're 100% aligned when it comes to the role of the USSR, the evil Asiatics, and what not
>>2771300Ukrainian nationalists think Ukraine should exist and Russian nationalists think it shouldn't. That's literally it. They agree on 99% of stuff there's just that 1% preventing full alignment. Even Dugin used to invite Ukrainian nationalists to meetings before 2014.
>>2771300And the historical things are
>I think prior failed state that lost ackshually should have wonBut not like in a “the USSR had identifiable issues that could have and should have been resolved”, RWA unironically would claim in defence of the Tsardom
>Ackshually mass literacy, healthcare, electrification, industrialisation, etc was all implemented about 5 minutes before the October Revolution, the Soviets just sat on such achievements for a few years to then take credit for it all and never achieved anything of their own >>2771300There's none, which is why many russian nazis are fighting for Ukraine and supported the Maidan. Prosvirnin once said he wants to see ukrainian tanks in Moscow only to do a 180 a few months later and start supporting Donbass rebels.
>>2771326Well they got what they wanted right? It’s easy to frame the conflict as the Russian state enforcing Russian nationalism against a minority group, something I understand they want to happen within Russia itself against its various ethnicities and nationalities?
>>2771358They think modern Russia isn't a national Russian state but a state ruled by deracinated homo sovieticuses who prioritize minorities over ethnic russians. The only difference between Rusich and RDK is that the latter sees Ukraine as a decommunized ethnostate worthy of emulation.
>>2771358>>2771397Every nazicunt thinks that his nationality is oppressed. The way towards emancipating his own nation lies through killing members of his nationality that don't support his ideology, and also through grift and collecting money from anyone who is willing to give it.
In short, nationalists are the worst enemies of their own nations
Incidentally Denis "White Rex" Kapustin of the RDK (who faked his death last year) gave an interview to a russian liberal a few days ago and it's funny
>yes my grandpa is jewish and my parents migrated to Germany as jews but I identify as russian (he even brought his birth certificate lmao)
>I like Hitler for what he did for the german people but not what he did to other people
>my main role model is Darth Vader
>>2771401That's just narrative for the un-inducted, Fascists are very aware that their "nationalism" is not a reflection of the people as they are but, rather a standard they expect the people to meet, in order to achieve whatever their actual goals are.
That's why so much of their "nationalism" depends on mythos and legacy of lost cultures (including, bizarrely, that of foreign nations), whereas the attributes of the actual nation as it exists are supposedly a corruption of "the truth".
People who buy into Fascism are ultimately those who abhor their own nationality. I suspect that's why its recruitment is successful in the face of a massive national humiliation, but despised as the ideology of embittered loners otherwise.
>>2771532What's the term for actually existing nationalism?
>>2771641Stalinism, probably.
>>2771209>Like Russia>Doesn't wanna live thereLmao
>>2771244The joy is knowing they're cowards addicted to the obscene enjoyment of supppp000000rting RuZZia but refuse to live there
>>2771741What's the occasion, Grillpill?
>>2771759Grillpill was a contemptable asshole that actively enraged me. If he's a random troll, I can't tell the difference.
>>2771761He was a weird guy who was pro-soviet but otherwise believed in all the baltic brainrot. Haven't ever seen a guy like that since
>>2771697The truke is that thousands of Ukrainian speakers and Russian speakers have died fighting over how to correctly transliterate the name of Ukraine's capital city into English.
>>2771759I miss IntBrig ;_;
>>2771883I'm happy for intbrig for having ditched this godforsaken site and probably having a good time with his polish gf instead of endlessly arguing with this new wave of leftcom and western chauvinist contrarians. I'm too hopelessly online to follow his example.
>>2771903>I'm too hopelessly online to follow his exampleMe too. At least we have each other <3
>>2771903>>2771906There's at least one anon ITT that's still trying to win their argument with IntBrig despite his absence, I think that says everything that needs to be said for why IntBrig had to move on.
>>2771919>Kryvyi RihThat's just noise.
>>2771919Reminder that the swastika in this poster's flag is unironic and they genuinely think that celebrating Victory Day turns Russians into violent monsters indiscriminately raping and killing everything in sight
>>2771919Dnepropetrovsk is proper of the city. Dnepro is just a shortened version. Besides, it's like calling a city like the river it stands near
>>2771850>Champ is so blackpilled that he's finally becoming a leftcom and acknowledging how pointless all of this was amazing things are happening in /ukr/
>>2773166It's from the perspective of Ukrainian and Russian Fascists/ultranationalists clashing. For them it's pointless, at least when taking their cause at face value.
NATO becoming "more unified than ever" over Ukraine however, is still very much worthwhile from my perspective and likely that of the Kremlin.
Ukraine Forms Working Group to Prepare for Reopening of Airports>Discussions regarding the reopening of Ukrainian airspace for civil aviation have been ongoing since 2023. On December 1, 2023, the Office of the President stated that “Boryspil will soon be sending and receiving aircraft again.”<In 2024, Crispin Ellison, a senior partner at the insurance firm Marsh McLennan, suggested during the 10th Kyiv International Economic Forum that Ukraine could resume flights from at least one airport—either Lviv or Boryspil—by the end of January 2025.>He noted that if insurance mechanisms were secured, five or six airlines were ready to operate.https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-forms-working-group-to-prepare-for-reopening-of-airports-16932I’m guessing flying deported Ukrainians to Poland still results in them escaping to avoid mobilisation.
>>2768986Wait that's literally what NAFOols, neocons and liberoids were accusing Russia of doing. Remember that time Putin mobilized 50K disabled grandpas with tuberculosis from LDPR?
>>2768986>Ukraine only needs 450 unwilling soldiers a month to singlehandedly hold back 100000000 Russian Zoldiersuhhhhhhh based?????
>>2773297Hmm a lot of assumptions being made there
>450 recorded videos of busification means only 450 people got kidnapped>Whatever the true number Ukraine mobilises in a month is, it’s arbitrarily limited by choice rather than actually limited by how many people recruiters can physically snatch in a day>That acquiring and then expending “only” 450 a month but needing to refresh that number every month is tenable, just because that slows down a larger Russian military>”450” and “single-handedly” used in the same sentence suggesting you can just mash any words together for hype >>2771209Speaking of: why can't /pol/transhumanists just be Third Worldists or regular Thirdie nationalists? What exactly convinces them they must larp as Nordic Germans and attach themselves to Le VVest Civilizationerino?
>>2773319Overdose of Western media and propaganda which turns all people <100 lQ into fascist retards.
>>2773319because it's brown-coded
they want to be aryanists
>>2773325>Why is Russia doing X Cucktin is incompetent and didn't plan for the war in advance. This explanation clears up many issues that otherwise would be completely incomprehensible.
>Why are Russian soldiers obeying The average Russian has a pure noble soul (side effect from decades of Soviet indoctrination that is slowly wearing off) and tries to do the right thing when asked to even if it comes at his own expense. This is why Russian families are constantly fundraising for front line fighters and sending out care packages on private initiative, because the state and military organizations completely shit the bed and logistic chains are fucked beyond recognition due to rampant Yeltsinite and capitalist corruption.
>>2773334Ukraine is currently claiming it won’t survive without receiving €90 Billion from the EU. Russian families sending “care packages” to their loved ones at the front is hardly the same thing.
>>2773355>Ukraine is currently claiming it won’t survive without receiving €90 Billion from the EUPoland does this every year but I don't see you talking about Poland's inevitable collapse.
>>2773357If the suggestion is that Russian soldiers receiving chocolate bars from their mums back home is indicative of Russia’s poor budgeting for the conflict, then squealing for €90 Billion just to keep the conflict going, not to win it mind you, just to keep arbitrarily fighting then that’s indicative of… worse budgeting.
>>2773361The "suggestion" was from this anon
>>2773325pointing out how crazy it was that Russian soldiers were expected to build their own DIY anti-drone fortifications on their own time and with their own money with whatever tools and materials were lying around, rather than there being a clear supply chain already handling this with state enterprises churning out what is needed 24/7. Despite the poster being an obvious Ukrop supporter I agreed with his criticism and acknowledged it as another sign of incompetence from the bourgeois Russian government since I also keep up with Zigger telegrams and have already seen endless ads for fundraising for supplies that the state should be handling instead.
You then immediately changed the discussion into Ukraine "needing" EU funds since your modus operandi in these threads across many years of discussions, is to always divert any talk of Russian failure into talk about a Ukrainian "failure" instead.
>>2773370It’s just contextualising, whether it’s
>Gasp! Russian soldiers have to build fortifications on their “own time” whatever the fuck that means during a time of conflictor
>Shock! Russian troops receive pay and they sometimes spend their income on stuff that isn’t standard issueor
>Egad! Some in Russian society are holding fundraisers to support their troops<All of this has literally never happened before in wealthy countries during warsor whatever molehill tryhards try to dig up, it’s worthwhile pointing out that they’re hardly mountains compared to Ukraine’s issues.
Is it really that surprising that in /ukr/ everything is going to be compared to Ukraine? In what way is that a problem?
>>2773370I'm old enough to remember when the US military at arguably its peak during the second invasion of iraq expected its soldiers to buy their own body armor.
What the actual issue here is that troops on both sides are improvising on the front lines to produce non-standard solutions to new problems, but for Ukraine that gets framed as ingenuity and proof that Ukraine is going to innovate its way to victory, but for Russia the framing is entirely different and instead it’s proof that their military has been scattered to the winds and soldiers have been left to hopelessly try to defend themselves.
Like anyone with a second brain cell could spot of the obvious bias in such reporting.
I with to exchange the life of one Ukrainian/Russian prole for every subnimal campist in existence
>>2773401>but for Ukraine that gets framed as ingenuity and proof that Ukraine is going to innovate its way to victory, but for Russia the framing is entirely different and instead it’s proof that their military has been scattered to the winds and soldiers have been left to hopelessly try to defend themselves.This can be true but at the same time its insane were more than three years into this and Cucktin somehow thinks this is ok. The issue with hangars for airplanes should have been solved in the first few months and most should have been finished in the first year. This is just straight up inexcusable. More and more i come to the realization the reason why mariupol can even be rebuilt is because of bestkorea chads.
>>2773570Americans have lost how many planes now due to no hangars?
Watching the Iran war and the lack of pogrom-ish behavior against supposed infiltrators made me immediately think of Ukrainians and Russians tying suspected spies to trees and poles, like in the first few months of 2022 we saw that happen at least dozens of times on social media. Does anyone have a rundown on the history and reasons for that behavior?
>>2773621It was Ukranians who were doing that to anyone who showed any sign or semblance of "Russian behavior" or taking an anti war stance.
>>2773570It seems that Russia invested in electronic warfare and anti-air for defence against drone attacks, obviously that’s not perfect and has its flaws but it’s incorrect to suggest that nothing has been done. Likewise, it’s not as though hangers for planes are a perfect solution either, planes are used also for defence against Ukrainian attacks and constantly putting the planes in and out of storage would reduce response times significantly. A plane that consistently doesn’t show up in time is the same as the plane no longer existing. Plus if the plane can’t be the target, then the runway will be the target, or the door to the hanger, or the fuel reservoir and you’ll still be here ITT decrying that Russia coulda shoulda invested in EW and anti air instead of hangers.
Ukraine collapse status?
At least Stalin was smart enough to make a peace deal to end the Russo-Finnish war. This bleeding out strategy Putin uses works both ways.
>Russia's Putin announces Orthodox Easter ceasefire, Ukraine's Zelenskiy agrees
>April 9 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday announced a 32-hour ceasefire over a two-day period for Orthodox Easter and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Kyiv would abide by the measure.
sigh…
>>2775616>Zelenskiy said Kyiv would abide by the measure.Then why have I received missile threat sms on my phone???
>>2771532This describes third worldists nationalism very well, not just fascism
>>2775131UK media claims there was also a Russian sub but the headlines of “We see you, Vlad.” means we came out on top!
>>2774846Will happen after communist revolution
>>2776018My energy bill doubled compared to last year.
>>2775182what? stalin straight up won, finland capitulated to all ussr demands when their army was on the brink of annihilation
>>2776047yeah, but uhhhh, he didn't annex all of finland so he lost really yeah
>>2776035That's due to carbon tax and privatized utilities it has nothing to do with Russia, Russia is just the cope excuse politicians use because they don't want to re-nationalize utilities and lower taxes on the poor.
>>2777557>Russian libs discover that Western countries don't mog Putin's Orcostan 1 million percent in every way possibleShould we start handing them the "Fell for it again" awards?
>>2777557>>2777614It's pretty funny how offended gardeners get when junglegang are unimpressed by the garden
Fourth Ukrainian drone crashed in Finland. It fell in souther Finland. The drone blew up, no casualties or damage.
>>2776205
1000/20 exchange ratio, cope
Wikipedia peddling straight up disinformation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_warship,_go_fuck_yourselfThere isn't even a section discussing the possibility that it didn't happen, they're literally spreading false history.
>>2779152Wikipedia’s primary issue is that Russian sources simply aren’t allowed. Western sources of all stripes are accepted, Ukrainian sources are often accepted with some debate in the talk pages, but Russian sources are immediately removed as biased and untrustworthy.
>>2779226>Ukrainian sources are often accepted with some debate in the talk pagesNah, they're always accepted. On Wikipedia, Ukrainian sources are reliable for information about the Ukrainian war. They even omit the "according to" part often and write whatever Ukrainian media writes as fact.
Wikipedians have taken it upon themselves to write the history of the Ukrainian war regardless of the reality. It took them over a year to write that Bakhmut fell to Russia. In the infobox for Mariupol it still says it is part of Ukraine.
>>2779398>In the infobox for Mariupol it still says it is part of Ukraine."Wait for WP:RS to tell us that it's Russia and not Ukraine"
– October 2025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MariupolUntil a "reliable source", i.e. Westoid lib media, writes verbatim "Mariupol is in Russia" Wikipedia will not reflect the change. Ukraine will dispute it forever, no source will ever say it, and on Wikipedia Mariupol will be forever Ukrainian.
>>2779152The warship thing is funny because of how blatantly fake and inorganic it sounds in Russian. A russian warship would never introduce itself as a "russian warship", it's not part of naval parlance and just sounds sloppy. It was concocted from the ground up to sound snappy in English.
>>2779425The recording also has a woman in it. But there were no women among the 80 Ukrainian soldiers who were on the island and taken prisoner by Russia. Awkward. In true liberal fashion, Wikipedia simply ignores the fact and makes no mention of the second speaker or that it was a woman.
>"Ukrainian 1" is believed to be Roman Hrybov (also transliterated Gribov),[17] a member of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine.[18]Wikipedians also created a separate article for the initial invasion of Ukraine so they could write "Russian strategic failure" into the infobox.
>pic relThey have a bunch of articles on the war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrainehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_warhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_warhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas >>2779441And English wikipedia is still noticeably more neutral than the """Russian""" one. Let that sink in
Lmao the best Wikipedia could come up with for the Ghost of Kiev is claiming it’s “mythical” like folklore.
Also “Putler” unironically is an article, I think the cucktin posters ought to create a page for themselves also, why not?
>>2779226and only the biggest western mainstream media sources ofc, independent journalists can go fuck themselves
>>2779451The sad part is they’re saying “no u!” in response to images of Azovites doing Nazi salutes..
But even worse is all of these articles trying to portray Ukraine as having righteous slogans about being indefatigable against injustice, to again cover up that the most popular “slogan” in Ukraine is just calling everyone a faggot.
>>2779452Pretty sure Western journalists are aware of Wikipedia's policies. That's why when Ukrainians strike non-Russian ships, like the two Greek ones carrying Kazakh oil from a Russian terminal, the news write "Drones struck the ships". They don't write they were likely Ukrainian. Non-mainstream sources do speculate, i.e.
https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/greek-tankers-attacked-as-black-sea-drone-war-escalates/2-1-1927005>Crude carriers managed by Thenamaris and Delta Tankers are hit by drones, most likely sent by UkraineBut e.g. Reuters omits that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greece-warns-shipping-fleet-risks-after-black-sea-drone-attacks-2026-01-15/>Drones struck two oil tankers on TuesdayThe propaganda and manipulation is so obvious and in your face. Nobody seems to notice or care, though. I feel like I'm going crazy.
>>2779471People who are pro-Ukrainian do care though, they celebrate such attacks an openly acknowledge them as Ukraine’s doing amongst themselves, but to have it officially stated that the attacks are Ukraine’s doing would be treated as an accusation of Kiev doing something illegal or underhandedly.
Zionists do this all the time, they’re pleased as fuck when the IDF kills “propagandists” but are enraged by any news reporting that doesn’t frame the endless murders as journalists just getting killed by happenstance in a region the IDF are known to have previously attacked
There’s a kind of perverse enjoyment beyond the attacks themselves in believing it’s only themselves and Kiev/Tel Aviv that are in on the “secret” war crimes. Whether that’s because they genuinely believe that everyone is scratching their heads over where these naval drones are coming from, or they just understand the pragmatism that if no one acknowledges Ukraine’s attacks on civilian shipping then nothing legally can be done about it, I dunno.
>>2779510Ukrainian and zio playbooks are literally the same, but westerners larping as le resistance will never see it
>>2779522Indeed, the problem is that when you’re part of the world that used nukes against civilians for democracy, you quickly lose an opinion on the methods and only have an opinion on the ends.
Granted I’m biased, but cucktin posters suffer this affliction. It’s probably true that Russia is surgical in Ukraine to a fault (mostly because the organs have already been transplanted into the EU by now), but their either real or performative incredulity that Russia hasn’t nooked lvov or claimed every Ukrainian family’s first son on principle is based on shock that the methods used are even a consideration.
If Russia truly believes its ends are justified, then why isn’t every method immediately on the table? Pro-Ukrainians and Zionists are certain that their goals are justified and are therefore equally shocked by any concerns raised about their methods, because the implication therefore is that their goals could even possibly be tarnished by their methods, something westerners haven’t had to
truly consider during the period of their hegemony.
Before anyone @s me, just consider what tactics have the Zionists used against Palestinians, that you think people who unironically frame Russia as a new and growing Nazi Germany would genuinely be opposed to if utilised by Kiev?
Killing Russian war correspondents?
Cutting off food and water for complacent civilians?
Targeting actual children if only to force the parents to surrender?
How many of them would otherwise frame themselves as anti-war?
>>2779658>>2779658>Killing Russian war correspondents?Remember Ukraine killed Daria Dugina while trying to kill Dugin. They're not even war correspondents or involved in the war in any way.
>>2779441Marge the war is still going on why include the initial offensive as its own article?
>>2779658It's not like Russia could do that shit. They tried to kill electricity and they failed…
>>2779793And the Ukrainians only denied it briefly, it didn't take long to realise online western sentiment was on the same page as them.
>>2779796They didn't really fail, it's just that
>a. Ukraine's military industrial capacity is mostly not in Ukraine>b. No one gives a shit how much electricity Ukrainian civilians havethe cucktin poster assumption was that by knocking out Ukraine's electrical grid, the entire country would be transported to the Arctic Circle and there'd be genocidal levels of death by freezing, thus making it an act of such savagery there can be no doubt about justified Russia feels its goals are.
Now that Hungary falled into Azovism the Eu will give infinite money to beat Z
>It's so over
>>2779855There’s still a very slight chance that Hungary’s veto was an excuse to be silent for at least some other EU countries that aren’t so keen to burn that kind of money. More states than just Hungary were against stealing Russian assets and giving it to Ukraine out of a concern, ultimately, for how they’d get the money back to give Russia. €90 billion is still a lot for a “loan” with no real plan to have it repaid.
Also the money, if authorised, will definitely fund paying government salaries and keep the Ukrainian state ticking over. But in terms of procuring weapons, having the money to buy them isn’t the only problem now there’s also huge demand for the same weapons from Israel and other more strategically important US allies in the Middle East.
>Orban lost just as I predicted
>Open /ukr/ to see the reactions
>Champ already trying to spin it as a minor and irrelevant defeat
lol you ziggers are funny
>>2780104Did you predict that Orban losing the election is the killing blow against Russia?
>>2780104Guy was part of Fidez unitl 2024. Calm your tits.
>>2780104How is Orban winning or losing relevant to Russian-Ukrainian conflict? Was Orban Russian ally or something?
You all know what’s coming
>Orban losing the election is a GAMECHANGER for Ukraine
>>2780161
It’s why they had a little in country campaign. Surely they will give a shit about the country if we have our politicians run a show for it. Send the second stringer. Lol. Pathetic
>>2780161
They're always pushing false predictions about gamechangers for Ukraine. It's the only hope for Ukrainians that all of the busification has purpose, that keeping the conflict going at any cost is worthwhile if there's some predicted event just around the corner that will suddenly win them total victory.
Of course, in recent years the gamechangers became less about what givas Ukraine receives to win on the battlefield, and more about removing excuses for why Ukraine hasn't already won yet.
>>2780152He was part of a small group in Europe, along with Fico in Slovakia and maybe that guy in Czechistan, pushing back on the main EU/NATO policy on Ukraine, and Orban was considered the most important of this group. EU/NATO has been fearful of this faction growing and has rigged some recent elections like Romania and Moldava to prevent it from growing.
In the end, Orban winning or losing doesn't matter much in itself, his opposition to the Ukraine policy has never amounted to much other than sometimes delaying some things for a while, until they go through later. However, if his faction of dissenters were to grow it could start to become a bigger problem for the Ukraine consensus. Him losing means that faction shrinks and becomes irrelevant at least in the near term, and the "to the last ukrainian" consensus can push forward without any meaningful opposition.
>>2780176>Look this rightoid seems to agree with you, that means you’re rightoidsThis is a really poorly thought out angle for pro-Ukrainians, or at least it would be if they didn’t also award themselves the power to discard Azov and Lindsay Graham as merely useful idiots to the obviously leftist cause.
>>2780152>Was Orban Russian ally or something?In the demented minds of europedos, yes. The only reason you wouldn't want to sacrifice your economy for Ukraine is because you're a kremlin agent. Even if you share a border with Ukraine and have to take the brunt of refugees and contraband, and have your own disputed borders to begin with
>>2780178Please, it was just an ironic post.
>>2780160>>2780104I thought there was too much Russian interference for there to be a fair election in Hungary. Why did the Russians remove Orban from power?
Or because the EU guy won that means the elections were free and fair? Just like in Romania: pro-RU guy wins, it's fraud, foreign meddling, stolen election; pro-EU guy wins, the elections were fair. It's really convenient when you can look at who won and immediately know if the elections were legit.
I love democracy.
>>2780185I have a blackpilled liberal dad who is always dooming about something politically. I told him the other day that Orban was going to get blown out and he was like "he'll just rig it!" and that also the Russians would invade if he was defeated, and I was like dad… Hungary doesn't share a border with Russia. I think he just likes being argumentative.
I've been in Vladimir Pozner's camp that foreign election interference is the most overhyped thing. Hungarians can influence other Hungarians because they're part of the same country. But when a foreign government tries to meddle in another country's election, more likely than not it's going to backfire, which is why it's so stupid that governments do this.
>>2780185>>2780194Hungary has always held free and fair elections. Orban won fairly every time and this time people got tired of him and swapped to the opposition. All the EUcucks complaining about Orban got BTFO tonight since it's definitive proof that no election in Hungary has ever been tampered with.
>>2780194>But when a foreign government tries to meddle in another country's election, more likely than not it's going to backfire, which is why it's so stupid that governments do this.It's the foreign policy induced by the profit motive:
<short term gainz, line goes up<fuck the future, lolWhich reminds me, Hungarian stocks right now. Majority German/foreign owned stocks like OTP (largest Bank in Hungary), MOL (oil company), etc. are up to historic records, while the "oligarch" (national bourgeois, primitive accumulated hoard) stocks are down. Hungarian Forint is up, etc.
Now that foreign interests won we are seeing a short-term gain and optimism in the majority foreign-owned stocks and the "invisible hand" is punishing what Fidesz was able to put its hands on.
The funny thing is that Magyar says he'll break up these "oligarch" companies (which is to say companies still in the hands of the national bourgeoisie) but we hear nothing about the future owners. Since they fetishize the free markets you can take a guess who will buy up the assets. Of course state ownership of land and factories is anathema to these neoliberal idiots, so expect another wave of privatization mostly dominated by Western interests, which always inevitably led to economic downturn for the ex-socialist countries suffering the consequences.
This alone ensures the self-destruction of
Fidesz 2.0 I mean the great democratic champion Tisza.
The other option would be what? Replace Fidesz oligarchs with your oligarchs? Political suicide, also. Split up these conglomerates and sell them to local bourgeoisie ("the good ones," lol) piece by piece? That just creates weaker and less competitive economic entities that would get swiped up by Western capital, or get centralized again by one of the "good ones" under Hungarian porky ownership.
The situation is, again, the same that Fidesz faced with a plethora of topics. Get off cheap Russian oil? Economic suicide. Let the "free market" reign? Economic suicide. Let Brussels dictate? Political suicide.
Magyar will have to answer all of these questions and either way it will have to become Fidesz 2.0 and sell it to its naive voter base why that's actually good (good luck with that!), or just become a complete puppet and wait as your economy gets wrecked so that the cycle can start again.
I really, really, really wouldn't like to be in Tisza right now. The party is composed by three main entities: failed, proven to be talentless liberals; ex-Fidesz oligarchs/apparatchiks like Magyar himself who obviously will lay down their "natural right" for the same standard of living they were used to during when the Fidesz gibs were gud; and the centralizing force of Magyar Péter, who either will rule even in a more autocratic manner than Orbán to keep this cabinet and party base together, or just let these other forces inside his party pillage freely and eventually implode upon itself.
What to expect, I think, is a very Syriza-like road. You'll see young people withdraw their support first, with that the vitality and idealistic charm removed, leaving a government either blindly following the dictates of Brussels and fucking the country in the process, or becoming Le Evil Dictator Orbán 2.0.
>>2780200Syriza would have had a chance if Cucktin was willing to sign some economic deals but he let them die because Dugin told him that Golden Dawn was the more multipolar choice.
>>2780208Russiagate is post-ironic trolling.
>yes, it's absurd, but I do believe it and fuck you!!! >>2780217You have been told a million times that by Marxist definition you can't have an imperialist state without an underlying imperialist economy. Russia does not have an imperialist economy, hence it can not be imperialist.
Ofc, you could use the liberal sense of the term, but then please drop all pretense.
>>2780217Btw this is also more proof that Cucktin is absolutely retarded and incapable of thinking strategically. Even if Cucktin doesn't like socialists he could have demanded so many conditions for financial assistance to Greece:
>Withdrawal of Greece from NATO>Entry into Eurasian Economic Community trade bloc>Possible accelerated entry into Union State>1 or 2 Russian military bases in Greece (they can simply take over the abandoned NATO ones)The fact that he sided with Angela fucking Merkel over Syriza is the ultimate proof that the Russian government is run by incompetent retards.
>>2780217>Greece betrayalWhat did Russia owe Greece? Nothing. Not our job to bail out your gay socdems. You deserve to suffer
>>2780222If you wanted
>muh multipolarityGreece would have been an excellent test subject to expand Russian sphere of influence and reduce the threat from the EU. The fact is Russians are retarded and will not seize the opportunity even if it drops into their lap simply because the Russian government is run by ideological retards who hate communists. You don't have to be some 500 autism score Einstein gigabrain to see the geopolitical opportunity of pulling Greece away from the EU and from NATO but Cucktin would rather jack off to people like Meloni and LePen and other "populist right" figures who would all sell weapons to Ukraine to kill Russians.
>>2780220>>2780217Completely ahistorical nonsense. The context was completely different. Tsipras came into power in 2008. The Maidan coup took place in 2014. The russian army tech wasn't near the state it was in 2022 at the start of the SMO. Nordstream was under construction. Russia hoped further integration with Western Europe.
You are a moron.
>>2780220>it wasn't the Westoid socdem who betrayed the workers (for the millionth time)!!!>IT WAS POOTINEnext level delulu
>>2780223We know from behind the scenes from Varoufakis that he was in the minority okay with leaving the EU. Tsipras & co. were bulshitting from the very beginning.
To frame this obvious socdem betrayal on Russia is basically adopting Hillary Clinton-style Russiagate-ism to socialist politics.
You are literally smuggling in bourgeois imperialist memes to justify your shitty socdems, which is to say you are an open class traitor and by your own definition a Western "campist".
>>2780220>>2780223Hysterical nonsense, Greece would never leave NATO or the EU over random Russian gibs, Putin would just throw billions into a bin as he correctly stated, just to get backstabbed at a later date.
>>2780194There’s little nuance over what is considered “foreign interference” for elections, it’s literally a question of whether ballots were stuffed. When you hear claims of Russian interference in elections, what the actual accusation is that Russia has convinced Orban or Vuvic or that guy from Georgian Dream to do the Putinist thing and stuff the ballots.
When it comes to the west using soft power to introduce absolute outrageous dimensions to foreign politics, like making elections partially about being pro-Russia or anti-Russia, that’s not
really election meddling because it’s not ballot stuffing and every vote was legitimately made by an honest-to-god Hungarian. It may be that the west created a false consciousness that influenced how they voted, but the west didn’t
force them to vote a certain way at gunpoint. It’s still, strictly speaking, their choice to disregard Ukraine attacking their energy security and the EU threatening their sovereignty and thus their democratic input is valid.
>>2780232>There’s little nuance over what is considered “foreign interference” for elections, it’s literally a question of whether ballots were stuffed. When you hear claims of Russian interference in elections, what the actual accusation is that Russia has convinced Orban or Vuvic or that guy from Georgian Dream to do the Putinist thing and stuff the ballots.Nonsense. The EU deposed of that Romanian candidate accusing him of being a putinist/Xiist plant for the simple reason that he had like 5-6 not even that successful TikTok channels.
That's the level of political freedom allowed by the EU currently: if you have a TikTok channel and are pro-EU, you are golden, if you have TikTok but are an EU-skeptic, you are a Chinese/Russian plant.
Enjoy your "liberal" democracy.
>>2780234No I agree that actually the EU heavily influences elections within Europe, it’s just that by and large their methods aren’t considered truly meddling because calling this or that leader a Putinist/Xiist is merely speaking as a political advisor. Since it’s only advisory then Hungarians and Romanians could have chosen to still vote for Putinists and that would have definitely been accepted as legit… except for the fact that they’ve consciously voted for a Putinist and introduced a threat to European democracy.
>>2780237What threat it is for the EU to have access to cheap and plentiful Russian oil, you Epsteinite cretin?
Are you going to say that blowing up the Nordstream eradicated a "threat", you disgusting atlanticist whore?
>>2780239I think you’re getting confused about whose position I’m describing
>>2780226>Completely ahistorical nonsense…Tsipras came into power in 2008.lol he took power in 2015, 1 year after Cucktin already saw the Ukraine coup happen and at a time when Greece could have been the perfect counter-balance against the EU.
>>2780230If only you could be proven right by Cucktin extending an offer which was rejected, but he never even tried.
>>2780229Varoufakis was one of the most strident voices arguing for Greece to stay in the EU and accept repayment of the debt, and he only came up with a plan B in the final moments but you bought into his hype. Varoufakis is a traitor who surrounded himself with IMF shills like Larry Summers and Jeffrey Sachs. Left Platform were the ones serious about nonpayment and they split off from Syriza to contest the parliamentary election but died because no bourgeoisie supported them (unlike the constant hype behind Varoufakis).
>RWA’s xitter still locked
Are they really that embarrassed still?
>>2780219>Russia does not have an imperialist economy, hence it can not be imperialist.Even if so the war can still be an inter-state competition within capitalism and it is intensifying capitalist domination and weakening working class power so therefore it's bad. Checkmate.
>>2780232>When it comes to the west using soft power to introduce absolute outrageous dimensions to foreign politics, like making elections partially about being pro-Russia or anti-Russia, that’s not really election meddling because it’s not ballot stuffing and every vote was legitimately made by an honest-to-god Hungarian. What governments seem to do a lot is hire private companies to spread messages on social media. But is that really a decisive thing anyways, and even if both the U.S. and Russia were doing it in Hungary to back up Orban, it really didn't work out well at all considering Tisza walked away with the biggest victory in the country's post-1990 history.
>It may be that the west created a false consciousness that influenced how they voted, but the west didn’t force them to vote a certain way at gunpoint. It’s still, strictly speaking, their choice to disregard Ukraine attacking their energy security and the EU threatening their sovereignty and thus their democratic input is valid.I did see some videos of crowds of young people in Budapest chanting "Russians go home," but I'm not sure that it was decisive either compared to the economy being in the toilet, it was Orban who emphasized his campaign as being about Ukraine more than Magyar did. Fidesz had put up a lot of posters with pictures of both Magyar and Zelensky in the same image to try and tie them together.
>>2780263>Are they really that embarrassed still?Well they were nerdy guys, right? Russians with attitude… sure… I could probably drink those guys under the table. But they could play it up and make it funny.
>>2780250>Varoufakis is a traitor who surrounded himself with IMF shills like Larry SummersOther way around, Summers surrounded him. Varoufakis might have not noticed that Greece's dilemma was used by the anglo bourgeoisie in an assault against the €, which was developing into an actual rival to the $ at the time, and against the EU, which had serious tendencies of becoming an independent actor in world politics back then. Both Tsipras and Varoufakis found themselves in a lose-lose situation courtesy of the previous succdem/neolib/neocon govt (who had actually created the mess), the Troika, IMF and anglo finance (most notoriously represented by the so called rating agencies). I still find it kinda unfair how much shit Syriza got. They could literally do nothing at all but tragically took all the blame. In realpolitik/power politics terms they should not have accepted their election victory and let the previous govt sort out their own mess, but the people wanted change to more leftist politics and wanted them in power. Back then I was hoping Syriza would Grexit & ditch the € to fuck with the evil neocon witcher Schäuble (who played a more than negative role in the big robbery of former DDR people's assets in the 90s and reportedly had some similar plans for Greek assets), however in hindsight i think how Merkel, Schäuble & Tsipras eventually resolved the situation turned out ok short term and long term for Greece and everyone else involved in Europe, better than any alternative outcome the anglo bourgeoisie was hoping for anyways.
>>2780284Generally speaking any input or opining from leaders in other countries would be considered “election meddling” because, well firstly their opinions on foreign elections ought to be irrelevant anyway, but also voters should only consider what the candidates themselves have to say and not what the leaders of other states and organisations say about the candidates.
There was, however, much opining in the West and Ukraine about Orban’s character, while I don’t recall Putin or the Russian state voicing an opinion either way on the election or the importance of Hungarians voting for Orban.
Certainly post election statements by European and Democrat figures lean a lot more into congratulating the Hungarian people for “saving democracy”, rather than what you’d usually expect in simply congratulating the newly elected leader and expressing interest in working with them.
>webm with no sound
you have to go back
>>2780329>wagnerThey never really existed, wagner were basically patchless spetcnaz, a literal meme that vanished thr same way it first appeared
>azovThey are still around, you can still find their degens going around europe and america
>>2780320
Most Cucktinists don't even know but defended Pinochet in 1993
>If you use power against investors the power is evil
<If you use power on behalf of investors the power is good
Cucktin has been a disaster for russia
>>2780333>don't even knowThat quote has been spammed non-stop for 4 years
Still not supporting azov, sorry
>>2780333Like I say every time that gets posted
>1993Former Soviets knew exactly what American investors like to hear.
>>2780333He's an anti-communist, reactionary churchfag or whatever he is, however he built his country back from existing as an anarcho-capitalist failed state of the worst order during Yeltsin's era back to a functioning country and later even regained world power status. You gotta give him that, it might be the reason why he's still popular in Russia. He also blocked the Rothschild clan from overtaking the USSR's oil and gas wealth, which might be the reason for the insane amount of butthurt every UK/Eurocrat government displays towards him since that happened. In my opinion Putin was one of the most competent (if not the most) world leaders during the late 90s and 2000s, but got soft with age or something.
>>2780358Where did you find this video of me
>>2780364The world has just really struggled to find the kind of balance (and I stress the word balance, not necessarily stability or peace) that it had in the Cold War.
No doubt Putin’s endlessly responsible and polite demeanour provides encouragement to the West’s hawks, but ultimately the unbalancing factor is that “Russia” lost the Cold War but in the minds of hawks they’re refusing to act like it by retaining nooks and having an economy strong enough to resist sanctions.
>>2780368>RT Going to have to stop you there and ask if you think RT is actually comparable to the vastness and pervasiveness of Western soft power?
Péter Magyar's news conference:
Russia:
>Regarding Russian-Hungarian relations, he said he was pleased that the Kremlin spokesman respected the election results. He promised a pragmatic relationship, as the country depends on Russia in terms of energy [oil / gas / rosatom] – classified contracts will be reviewed. “If Vladimir Putin calls me, I will answer, I will not call him myself,” he said. If Putin calls him, he will ask him to stop the war.
>"We have made it clear several times that the Tisza government will do everything to diversify our energy sources," he explained, explaining that it is much cheaper and safer this way. "Let's not forget that we cannot change the geography," he said. "Russia will stay here, Hungary will stay here. This does not mean that we will secede. We will always obtain oil in the cheapest and safest way."
>He is confident that when the Russian-Ukrainian war ends, the sanctions will be lifted, because Russia is right next door.
>Does Russia pose a security threat to the European Union? "I think so. We know the Russians. I'm not talking about Russian people," but about the Russian bear. Europe must prepare for this, the path of the previous Hungarian government cannot be followed - according to him, sensitive information of allies should not be passed on, as Szijjártó did.USA:
>Regarding US-Hungarian cooperation, Magyar says: "I don't think it works that way, that I call Donald Trump." Regarding Trump's support for Orbán, he said that he believes every leader has the right to support someone. Since the United States is an important partner for Hungary, he believes that good relations are important, and if someone from their leadership in Washington approaches them, they are at their disposal.
>What will happen to MCC, CPAC and other similar pro-government institutions? The state will not fund them, it was a crime for them to do so.Ukraine:
>He strives for allied, if possible, friendly relations with all neighboring countries, also because of the Hungarian minorities living abroad. This applies to Ukraine, Serbia, all countries. He will definitely meet with Zelensky and they will settle relations. Ukraine is the victim in this war, it has the right to preserve its sovereignty. The minority rights of Hungarians must be granted.
>Regarding the 90 billion loan to Ukraine blocked by the Fidesz government, he said that Viktor Orbán had already managed to get it excluded from this loan in December. "I don't know why this needs to be opened now." He personally agrees that the country should be excluded from the loan because it is in a difficult economic situation and cannot afford to take out new loans.
>We have said from the beginning that we do not support the accelerated accession of Ukraine to the EU. According to him, it is not possible to admit a country that is at war. He says that the EU leaders with whom he has negotiated believe, as he does, that it is not possible to admit Ukraine now – he believes that it should go through the same accession procedure as other countries, which he believes will not happen within 10 years.UK/NATO:
>He talks about cooperation with the EU, NATO, and the United Kingdom. He wants to put Hungary back at the forefront of Central Europe economically. He talks about standing up for human rights, even at the expense of economic interests.Israel:
>According to Magyar, the relationship is special, the Jewish community in Hungary is strong, there will be zero tolerance towards anti-Semitism. The relationship will be pragmatic, but it cannot guarantee that Hungary will continue to block the EU's criticisms. The process of withdrawing from the International Criminal Court cannot be stopped, but we will join again.Germany:
>Relations with the Germans have also deteriorated, even though their companies provide jobs for many. Hungary wants close relations, Chancellor Merz congratulated him. They expect German investors with a predictable environment.Migration, PC:
>The Times asks about the one million per day EU penalty, how they can resolve it. According to Magyar, it can be resolved so that "illegal migrants" do not come, while we follow the rules. The border fence will remain, and even the holes in it will be patched.
>According to him, EU leaders should leave behind politically correct speech and deal with what instills fear in people.So basically:
<we need the Russian energy, but Russia is bad, it is a threat to the EU<when the war is over Russian sanctions will be dropped(= after Russia inevitably wins)
<Ukraine is blocking said energy, but Ukraine is good, we will not join in giving them 90 billies "loan," tho<Ukraine can't into EU <Trump bad, USA good, no more CPAC<we'll get gay rights with economic austerity on the side(this will totally not fuck gay ppl the next election)
<NATO good, EU good<Israel good, Zionism OK, human rights in Israel bad, we will join writing those critical letters!!!(he doesn't want to lose the local zio support)
<please feel free to privatize our economy, Germany<fuck migrants, fuck political correctnesshttps://444.hu/2026/04/13/magyar-peter-ertekeli-a-valasztasok-eredmenyet>>2780377Rob Schneider? What’s his story? Lmao
Anyway I’d still agree that’s also attempts at meddling in elections by the same definition, but the determining factor therefore is that figures like Le Pen and Vuvic are hardly the cream of European or even global influence like Orban’s detractors often are.
>>2780377Several Tisza members were META employees and convinced them to rig the algorithm in favour of Tisza. That meddling alone is worth more than these eunuch leaders saying nice things about Orb-man.
>1775321684854-0.gif
Who is this Ukrainian model living in Israel?
Thinking about that South Park episode now
>Rob Schneider is: The Advocate!
>>2780398>Rob Schneider is… dying for Israel!>>2780384Trump endorsed Orban and Vance traveled there, but it didn't seem to have any effect, and it might have had a negative effect. So it just goes to what I thought about how this stuff really don't matter that much. But the narrative that is coming indirectly from the Russian government is really hilarious if you scan the RT website for a minute because it's, like, Russia doesn't interfere, only the West interferes, and here's an example of Western politicians (including the ones running the United States) endorsing Orban at length (*wink wink*) unlike that Soros puppet Magyar who is backed by Brussels which is interfering… as J.D. Vance pointed out in a rally in Budapest. And Elon Musk. And our correspondent Chay Bowes who is delivering commentary on all this ridiculous clown world nonsense the globohomo elites have come up with. Which is getting glided over here for some reason.
But I think Russia's top guys also knew Orban was done.
actually he is an arab taxi driver in that but still
>>2780400almost nobody watches or reads RT in Hungary, almost everybody uses Facebook:
>>2780386 >And he’s about to find out, advocating for a foreign state… ain’t so great!
>>2780383China:
>Magyar says they are open to cooperation with the Chinese: they are happy to go to Beijing and they are happy to welcome Chinese leaders here. They are also welcoming Chinese investors. >>2780400I’m afraid I’m still going to have to stress that focusing on the z-list support Orban has doesn’t prove that foreign advocacy for Magyar was also irrelevant.
But speaking of RT, time to do my part in very slightly boosting its already meagre reach.
‘A few kilometers’ left to liberate Donbass – Kremlin>Russian forces continue to advance and are nearing the Donetsk People’s Republic’s borders, Dmitry Peskov has said<Peskov confirmed that the territorial issue is now down to “ just a few kilometers, roughly speaking.” He stated that Russia still needs to liberate around “18-17% of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR)” in order to reach the region’s borders. >Once the army reaches the borders of Russia’s new regions, he said, “a complex, painstaking, and not fast negotiation process” will begin, in which the details of a settlement with Ukraine will have to be determined.https://swentr.site/russia/638343-peskov-donbass-kilometers-left/Perhaps my geography is failing me again, but Russia’s new regions extend beyond the Donbass, no?
You think Russia is going to win this war?
>>2780439Committing a genocide does tend to harm your reputation
>>2780424He's basically saying that real negotiations can begin when all of Donbass is liberated, obviously those will include demands to recognize the rest of new territories
>>2780434The only question is to which extent
Anons can be pedantic as they like about Orban supporters, but’s merely a distraction from the fact that Western soft power framed Orban as a committed pro-Russian agent for years and we saw on election night a crowd chanting “Russians go home” in the capital.
>>2780464>>2780449Orban should have framed himself as anti-genocide to win. Sadly he was too pro-genocide to do that.
>>2780468I don't think est euros give a single fuck about that shit, think they are more anti russian
>Peter Magyar confirmed that Szijjarto, Orbán's FM, has barricaded himself with some of his closest colleagues and is shredding documents related to the sanctions on Russia any other evidence of treason.
>>2780464"Are the Russians in the room with us right now?"
>>2780485>Szijjártó expressed support for Israel during the Gaza war. He criticized South Africa's genocide case against Israel, saying that accusing a "country that has suffered a terrorist attack of genocide is obviously nonsense."He should shred himself.
>Later that evening, the YouTube channel Frizbi TV released an interview with Varga (Magyar ex-wife) in which she went into more detail about her allegations, including that at various times Magyar had locked her in a room without her consent, pushed her against a door while she was pregnant, and walked around their shared residence brandishing a knife
Odd this accusation slipped through the net for Europe’s shitlibs
>>2780584Not wholly unreasonable, but it’s still centred around the usual beats that we’ve covered ITT over and over
>At this rate they’ll capture the Dniepr in like, 2038!>So much for demilitarisation, Ukraine still has men to busify and foreign givas to receive>Azov and other Banderites are going to come out of this conflict adored by the people they brutalise everyday fighting an ideological warAs always, the doomer angle just assumes that if Russia doesn’t win by Ukraine’s metrics, then it will be all fireworks and champagne in Kiev.
>>2780609>it will be all fireworks and champagne in KievI mean,a lot of foreign porkies are gonna make bank so maybe there will be champagne,but not anywhere in Ukraine
>>2780220lmao wtf
this what nafotard are reduced to? "putin should have helped greece" for real? pathetic
>>2780284>Even if so the war can still be an inter-state competition who gives a flying fuck? why do you retards always do this? the only reason to bring up inter-imperialism is to say both sides bad
>within capitalism and it is intensifying capitalist domination and >weakening working class power so therefore it's badwrong, it doesnt, the whole purpose of analyzing it as imperialism is because it makes this materially true. if it lacks imperialist character then this isnt necessarily the case.
sovereign industrial development increases working class power even if its "inter state capitalist competition"
fucking retards
>>2780450What are the chances of total russian win?
>>2780333>Most Cucktinists don't even know lmao yeah right, its not like its spammed all the time here
putin is objectively an anti imperialist, and he didnt even want to, the US empire forced him to become one, which is the funny part, he is a progressive force entirely against his wishes, multipolarity is just the reality he have to deal with and support to have any hope in his position, its not what he wanted at all
and the radical left did shit on him while the west supported him at first, and then the west hated him because he wanted to keep a bare minimum of national sovereignty rather than let russia be balkanized and entirely looted. They even cry about the corrupt comprador oligarchs thrown from windows as if it was a bad thing! the whole lib anti putin discourse is just ridiculously funny to me. The accusation of "you support putin because muh ussr!" or "dont you know he is a fascist?" and shit like that always get me to laugh too. The libs just cant understand anything at all, they're like children trying desperately to insult adults using an oversimplistic worldview, you cant be hurt by their attacks because they're simply missing the point so hard they're ridiculing themselves through them.
>>2780616I'm certain that NATO's primary objective in choosing to agitate Russia into conflict after covid specifically can be summarised as
>Western economy fucked after two years of the pandemic>It'd be really useful for economic recovery if Europe got even better prices on Russian energy for use and resale>Russia's economy must also be likewise fucked, it won't therefore survive sanctions and they're unprepared for a conflict that will obviously be unpopular in all four corners of the globe>Russia will therefore be forced to open up their energy industry to westoid ownership just for sanctions reliefBut it seems like few people at this point expect that a Russian loss involves Gazprom and Rosneft being broken up and sold to BP.
But it makes sense for why the EU are continuing to pile on the sunk costs to keep the conflict going, because to quit now is to accept the loss, whereas any day now a liberal coup could occur in Moscow where the first order of business for the new government is surrender of energy assets which would easily pay for all prior expenses.
The Americans are probably less invested if they can slap a Texaco sticker on Russian oil barrels and sell them to Europe at a mark up as India have done.
The only porkies who are likely to make bank in this post-pandemic gold rush are the ones selling the missile-shaped spades.
>>2780584>Kiev offensiveThat was a political miscalculation more than anything. It's not le epic ukrainian #resistance that resulted in Russia retreating, but Russia stalling for negotiations, the soft-handed approach to the lead-up (not bombing barracks or dual use infrastructure etc) and underestimating the West's willingness to sacrifice infinite ukrainians. Kiev in a couple weeks was physically doable.
Understaffing of the initial invasion force is true
>Russia has lost alliesI think the impact of Ukraine on Syria and Venezuela is overestimated. Even if Russia didn't have its own war to fight it's doubtful it could have bailed out Assad when his own men threw down arms and walked away
>AzovSounds like cutting a little too close to "ukrainian are nazis only because of le ruzzian invazion". They were like that for a long time. Azov was disregarding Zelensky's personal orders and acting as a state within a state in 2019, who knows where it would go without the SMO.
>Russia should've soft powered UkrainePeople keep saying this and I still don't know what exactly Russia should have done in this regard. In any case it's something that should have been done since the 90s.
Somewhat correct, somewhat too doomer for my tastes
Oh and
>animosity between russia and ukraine
already was in place, they were like that for 8 years, I am sure a lot of Kiev libs and nationalists alike internally celebrated the invasion because they could finally openly and proudly say "kill all asiatoid ruzzians"
>>2780652>People keep saying this and I still don't know what exactly Russia should have done in this regard.Agreed. The whole euromaidan/revolution of dignity thing was framed as Ukraine ridding itself of Russia’s influence, so not sure how Russia would be able to produce any soft power in an environment of such hysteria.
IMO the situation between Ukraine and Russia soured for no other reason than Ukrainian corruption both making Ukraine poor as fuck compared to Russia as well as presenting itself as Russian in origin. Other than actually unironically marching into Ukraine to sort out their corruption themselves, it’s pretty much unavoidable Ukraine would convince itself that it can’t coexist with Russia.
>>2780535their whole angle is that everything negative coming out of Magyar Messiah is FideSS fake news Russian propaganda, etc.
The guy himself is a total narcissist, btw.
>>2780557The entire Fidesz & Ex-fidesz people in Tisza believe this.
>>2780557>>2780535>zio vs. ziointer-imperialist conflict
>>2780679The key to the Ukrainian conflict is the contradiction between the western regions and Kiev that desired particularization and nation-state status as a prerequisite for westernization, and eastern regions that were the most industrialized, proletarianized and internationalist as a result, that wanted to belong to a greater whole. This is a conflict that is common in former Soviet states, most notably Moldova where the entire "rust belt" seceded as Transnistria with no real divide except those areas being the most proletarianized and unwilling to be boxed into some meme micro-nationstate and forced to wear some silly ethnic costumes while speaking romanian with no alternative. This is part of why I see Russia as a progressive force in all these post-soviet conflicts, beyond the facts that Russia opposes NATO or that communism is legal in Russia but not in Ukraine or the Baltics. The RF, however corrupt, capitalist or conservative it might be, still carries a nucleus of Soviet ethos in being a multinational, multicultural, post-ethnonationalist state, while almost every other post-Soviet state except Belarus aspires to particularism as a means to decommunization and integration into the neoliberal order. The "vatniks" in those countries are unironically carriers of crude internationalism while local liberal-nationalists, even as they increasingly and hypocritically try to appeal to "decolonial" language, are the opposite.
>>2780633I was talking about the plans (already made) for Ukraine to be sectioned and have each one be given to (obviously the bourgeoisie's) respective countries to "rebuild" after the war
>>2780652The Kiev "offensive" wasn't even an attack on Kiev, it was a means of trying to move Russian soldiers doing exercises in the south of Belarus to where they were needed in the four oblasts as quickly as possible, when time was of the essence in those initial days there was no time to spare going around through Gomel, so they went through Kiev Oblast.
>>2780713pretty good post
>>2780633Tbh I think another factor is a resumption of planned activities that got disrupted by Trump's election in 2016. After the euromaidan coup and seizure of Crimea, Obama had stepped up antagonizing Russia, and Hillary was exercising especially belligerent rhetoric in the lead up to the election. I think a big motivator for the bourgeois support of Biden was to get things back on schedule, so to speak.
>>2780719I really doubt that if such a plan were to occur that Ukraine would in any meaningful way be rebuilt. Those corporations would just be the slumlords sent to extract any remaining value from the region.
Interimperialist conflict
copeyansk status?
I really dont like that Russian government tries to rely so much on different flavors of western rightoid losers.
>>2781219they're the only relevant political force in the west that has any sympathy for them and would like to deescalate and be friendly, so it makes perfect sense from their perspective
>>2781219That's because Russia is right wing…?
They don't have ANY trans+ representation in the Duma.
>>2781219Maybe because Russians and indeed everyone outside the Garden understands that “left” and “right” are meaningless bourgeois gobblyguck and the only dichotomy that matters is pro or anti system. The “dissident right” has beaten the left wing of capital to that punch by a wiiiiiide margin so no shit they’d critically support anti-imperialist voices with actual influence rather than some polycule in Seattle
>>2780713Good point. It’s actually the best refutation to the idea that Neo-Nazism is just a meme in Ukraine and other former Soviet states that has no real influence or power. Ethno-nationalism in places like Ukraine is a reaction to the multicultural aspect of the USSR and decommunisation, people seem to forget, is the abolition of a *socio*economic system, it’s not just economic and therefore just about becoming neolibs.
If *all* from le evil gommunist empire has to be scrubbed, then you have to look at something like VDHKh as “oppressive” because your nation’s pavilion isn’t special and is displayed as merely equal to pavilions of other Soviet nations… To use a pretty obscure and probably ignorant analogy.
Even within the EU, I believe they’ve all got Eurosceptic parties in the EU parliament usually expressing some degree of exceptionalism, despite their generally broad support for
gibs membership in an international organisation of (in theory) equals.
Wikipedia with outright lies about Russia. There must have been some decision made where anything negative about Russia is allowed, regardless of whether sources support it or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia#Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)>This severe and prolonged discrimination has resulted in a growing shadow economy in Russia.[citation needed]Want to fill Wikipedia with false information? Just add [citation needed] at the end! ezpz
>The conscription law practically presumes draft dodgers guilty unless they prove innocence per law.[a]>[a] Per article 23 of the Russian Law about Military Duty and Military ServiceCan't find anything about "practically presumed guilty".
Wikipedia is a propaganda outlet, nothing more.
>>2781432Everyone is "practically presumed guilty" when they get caught and put in prison awaiting trial. This is such a stupidity to claim them to be "practically presumed guilty", and they ignore how it's exactly the same situation everywhere in the world
>>2781432>Want to fill Wikipedia with false information? Just add [citation needed] at the end! ezpzHere's proof that this guy added the content WITH the citation needed tag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conscription_in_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=1300326488The guy is some Russian lib:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alexander_Davronov >>2781443>Outside of court proceedings, presumption of guilt is routinely applied for Russians who failed or intentionally avoided [[Conscription in Russia|military conscription]].https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_guiltlmaooo
Same guy, btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Presumption_of_guilt&diff=prev&oldid=1323268621What are the chances that he is actually Russian and not just a glowie?
>>2781449I know Russians who believe in secret waves of mobilization and that majority of rural Russia haven't seen asphalt in their entire lives
>>2781460these guys are all epsteined up because it makes them controllable by glowies
>>2781350>Maybe because Russians and indeed everyone outside the Garden understands that “left” and “right” are meaningless bourgeois gobblyguck and the only dichotomy that matters is pro or anti system. I'm not saying "you are a Nazi" but that is how the Nazis talked which I think deserves some reflection. There's a lot of "anti-system" stuff that seems radical but it's really just degraded petit-bourgeois moralfagging.
>The “dissident right” has beaten the left wing of capital to that punch by a wiiiiiide margin so no shit they’d critically support anti-imperialist voices with actual influence rather than some polycule in SeattleThe left sucks and people get disillusioned with it and go to the "dissident right" but realize it's a complete racket (which anyone could've told them) and they either drift back or check out of politics altogether.
>>2780623>sovereign industrial development increases working class power even if its "inter state capitalist competition"Not automatically. Ultimately it's a political problem. Like Zelensky talks about Ukraine's glorious arms industry workers.
>>2781492>Not automatically.wow genius did i say automatically? shut the fuck up obfuscator
>>2781650It's funny how the west is so cartoonishly greedy that it won't ever let Russia have that, isn't it? Like it isn't enough to buy our glass beads with your oil, you must also do a humiliation dance and sacrifice your firstborn or you are forever an enemy marred by the original sin of communism.
>>2781650Except Iran is now begging for negotiations again and has already come to the table once.
>>2781650That's because while the national bourgeoisie can play a progressive role against imperialism, they'll always do it reluctantly, half heartedly, to the minimum degree necessary to achieve their short term goals, dragging their feet and looking for any opportunity to reconcile with it. Being a comprador is just better business in most cases.
>>2781760>>2781689That’s the problem though, the West thinks Russia lost the Cold War and ought to act like it by being compradors, but the Russian state acts like dissolving the USSR illegally was just dropping dead weight but otherwise relations between Russia and the West ought to continue to be mutually respectful.
>>2781701>Iran is now begging for negotiations againYes, we know they are Donald. And also that you won and you're the most popular president ever and 2020 was stolen…
>>2782216
>Russiagate 3.0 - the mods are Putin
Lib moment
>>2782216
Doesn't sound like you want Russia to win tbh
>>2782216
Dumbass, I am the resident FSB agent, not champagne
>>2781492>comments are deactivated>only 18k views and 2000 likes which are probably bottedself-parody
I hope the anons who aren’t mentally deranged recognise that all I do is make best guesses for why Russia chooses or chooses not to pursue actions, simply because “Putin is a cuck” can’t always be the actual answer despite always being the answer postulated ITT.
>>2782245I always thought we called him Cucktin because what he loves most is watching his bourgeoise pals get pleased
>>2782245Claude, print the Anthem of SED, but switch every instance of "Die Partei" with "Putler".
>>2782245Cucktinists just want entertainment, big arrows and more dead proles. It has nothing to do with disagreeing in strategy or politics.
>>2782311I just assumed it was trolling for a long time, I respond to them so they keep it up, but it’s outbursts like these that suggest cucktin posters are unironically enraged that I’m not letting “Putin is a cuck” be the accepted and unopposed explanation to absolutely everything.
Now whether that’s some Walter Mitty thing where they fantasise about being in Putin’s shoes and imagine how they’d have won this conflict instantly by being hard as fuck rather than a cuck and I’m disrupting that, or if it’s because my best guesses usually involve acknowledging that the US treats itself as exceptional and unbound by convention which makes them unpredictable and it’s Yanks getting defensive about that, I guess I’ll never know.
‘Legitimate targets’: Medvedev on Russian MOD’s Ukraine-linked drone network list>The Russian Defense Ministry has published a list of industrial sites across Europe involved in manufacturing drones for Ukraine<According to the MoD, multiple Ukraine-linked drone manufacturing facilities are located in the UK, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Latvia, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, Finland, and Poland. The ministry also identified several sites that produce drone components for UAVs that end up being supplied to Kiev, which are situated in Italy, Türkiye, Spain, Germany, the Czech Republic, and Israel.>“[The] Russian Defense Ministry’s statement must be taken literally: the list of European facilities which make drones & other equipment is a list of potential targets for the Russian armed forces. When strikes become a reality depends on what comes next. Sleep well, European partners!” the ex-president wrote on X.https://swentr.site/russia/638470-russia-targets-europe-factories-ukraine/I have to say, I preferred the method of these factories mysteriously burning down to naming and shaming.
>>2783280>on the violation of citizens’ equality based on their race, nationality, religious beliefs, or disability.Would it be a violation to not busify people in wheelchairs?
>>2783362Another pink line from naziggers never to be crossed
If they didn't want to get bombed they shouldn't have started an unwinnable imperialist war
I am just passing by to remind every nafo ITT that Russia is advancing on all fronts :^)
>>2783597and as always, I forgot the flag.
Russia would have the right to retaliate if Finland and the Baltic states are deliberately allowing Ukrainian drones to pass through their airspace, Security Council Secretary Sergey Shoigu said on Thursday.
“Recently, there has been an increase in Ukrainian drone strikes against Russia via Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia,” Shoigu told journalists. “As a result, civilians are suffering and significant damage is being caused to civilian infrastructure.”
Either Western air defenses are proving ineffective, or these four countries “deliberately provide their airspace, thereby becoming open accomplices in aggression against Russia,” he added. In the latter case, Moscow has the right to self-defense in response to an “armed attack” under Article 51 of the UN Charter, the security chief stressed.
>>2783967Is Russia aware that the people in those countries are desperately waiting to get him so that they can bring NATO into direct conflict with Russia?
Russians are crossing the Dnieper river in Kherson region.
checkin in. how's it goin?
Russian security chief issues warning to four NATO states>Either Western air defenses are proving ineffective, or these four countries “deliberately provide their airspace, thereby becoming open accomplices in aggression against Russia,” [Shoigu said]. In the latter case, Moscow has the right to self-defense in response to an “armed attack” under Article 51 of the UN Charter, the security chief stressed.<Kremlin aide Nikolay Patrushev said he believed that Finland and the Baltic states were “complicit in these crimes.” The provision of national airspace for Ukrainian drone strikes would “signify direct NATO participation” in attacks on Russia, he said Monday.> Moscow has formally warned Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia against allowing Ukraine to send drones via their territory, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said last week. “If the regimes in these countries are smart enough, they will listen. If not, then they will have to deal with the consequences,” she said.https://swentr.site/russia/638524-russian-security-chief-warning-nato-states/ >>2784340I think like everything this will fizzle
>>2784340USA no longer needs any of the schizo countries now that Russia is sanctioned and removed from Euro market
>>2784341yeah, but will it be a forgotten tomorrow kind of boring nothingburger fizzle, or the kind of fizzle that gets into implementation and collapses thanks to it's own impossibility and gives a deathblow to nato in the process?
>>2784352When it's something good, it will always be the former
>>2784340If Trump's problem is NATO being about givas but that not buying European cannon fodder for the US, I don't see how Ukraine, the Balts or Poland would be better in this regard.
>>2784341people said the board of pece would be a second UN but it flopped. it was just a shakedown racket for these countries.
>>2780535His original claim to fame which started his career was publishing a secret recording of his wife who was the Minister of Justice at that time and then arguing about their relationship in the media. Liberals, even those who were trying to import metoo a few years ago wholeheartedly supported Magyar in this family affair and believe that Varga Judit's accusations are lies. There are a lot of other insane stories about him, but I don't want to go into detail because this is precisely the reason why he became famous.
The guy is basically a pro-EU Eastern European version of Trump. Ridicule your opponents, when they attack you instantly strike back at them, never admit any wrongdoing, never concede anything, do or say outrageous things to make noise, allow yourself to be rude and vulgar, etc.
>>2784569Second military of the universe is fighting galactic battles. First military of the universe can't hold a shack it claims to be it's blood and soil
>>2784462Normal Eastern European Man.
>>2784094it´s not 01/04
in the meantime, zelya is now threatening to kidnap Sasha.
>>2783450thank you agent Smith
>>2785356I’m not liking this age of Germany twisting its Nazi history into some qualification that supposedly makes modern Berlin an authority in pointing out fascism elsewhere.
>Israel and Ukraine aren’t fascists, take it from us, we actually knooow and experienced what Nazism is unlike the Russians Truly the greatest peremoga is no one caring about the damage you're receiving.
>>2785451
What is this
>>2785456And that is a good thing for Zelensky et. al. and really bad thing for Ukrainians themselves. The wider public truly gives a shit about their plight.
>>2785490Ukraine blew up another oil storage which is supposed to bankrupt Russia in two week-
>Russia's total oil exports in March jumped to 7.1 million barrels per dayah, never mind
>>2785497Alas, despite the recent uptick in violence against recruitoors, the perspective of NAFOids is that until Zelensky and Madam Zelensky are publicly hung upside down ᴉuᴉlossnW-style, the vast majority of Ukrainians MUST be in full support of being violently folded into buses and escalating retaliations. As long as they get a steady stream of FPV drone footage of individual Russian soldiers being killed and reports of strikes on Russian oil facilities, they’re having a whale of a time just as western spectators are.
>>2785518Nafoids are fundamentally irrelevant. They are a small vocal minority and would support the well branded bandera-project even after Zelensky has been publicly skinned on the Maidan square by his own people. it's the passivity of the rest of the western public, mainly Europe that keeps the war going stable and midget-king on the throne gets Ukrainans bussified to the front. I myself are partly guilty of this passivity.
>>2785526Sure but it’s passivity that is at least partially enabled by NAFO and Zelensky being the loudest voice in the room, claiming that Ukrainians are fully on board with fighting to the death. Constantly signing blank cheques for Kiev is acceptable on the belief that cutting the funding would result in Ukrainians continuing to fight to the death but with shovels.
New Metro game announced
>In light of the war in Ukraine, 4A sought to emphasise a Ukrainian perspective with Metro 2039.
<Trailer involves lots of dead children and exclusively features the Reich faction
Subtle.
>>2785538>emphasize ukrainian perspective>game is still set in Russiathis is going to be very subtle i can tell
>>2785538Isn't the studio located in Malta these days?
>>2785504Actually being bombed is good for the economy
>>2785661I mean Grisha is one of the world's top players and Gunther is apparently having an ukrainian represent him because he's a boomer who only briefly played the game for memes
>>2785663Has anyone claimed having a Ukrainian play Grisha is good value for NATO yet? What kind of energy drink givas has the player been promised?
>>2785663True but it's going to be 7v1, that puts Grisha at a big disadvantage
Is NAFO still a thing or are they at least active anywhere except the replies to tweets of Russian government figures? Legitimately haven't seen even one outside their "natural habitat" in 3 years.
>>2785900Maybe those left are the actual bots that have been forgotten. The rest have given up, isekaid themselves or have been institutionalized.
>>2786125I’m certain that most of them were just thrilled it was Russia doing the invading for a change, so that NATO states can be “the good guys” in righteously opposing the concept of invasions as simply imperialism. Now that Trump has bombed or invaded multiple countries and backed a genocide at the same time, NATO cheerleaders are back to the usual business of performing damage control and explaining why Trump saying “gib me dat” isn’t really imperialism but a fair trade for the nebulously defined “human rights” the West will provide them.
>>2786262Russian gusano libtard who makes "russia bad" videos aimed at westerners
>>2786281Didn’t he still get shit for being Russian despite his pandering to western libs?
>>2785900The glowie money dried up, but it's being kept alive by people who drank the koolaid and are the true believers. That's why it's not so widespread any more. The subreddits, discords and the NAFO twitterati still exist (the ones who weren't run by glowies).
>>2785900oh, they are active on X. now and then malding, daydraeaming about nonsense.
vidrel unrelated to nafo.
>>2786293banderites are not happy about getting Africans. I hope every nafo retard could go to ukraine and tell banderites to their faces that they are getting 'blacked'. lmao.
>>2771428>yes my grandpa is jewish and my parents migrated to Germany as jews but I identify as russian (he even brought his birth certificate lmao)>I like Hitler for what he did for the german people but not what he did to other people>my main role model is Darth VaderOn Russian cosplay:
<There’s a reason why Russia is the birthplace of both terrorism (Nihilist movement) and transhumanism (Cosmist movement), and why we are perpetually in state of constant revolutions. We have no “tradition” to revert to (we have half-a-dozen of them, which means no true one), no “society” to protect (our “country” is technically younger than most of us, and hasn’t built anything of value yet), and no reason to like the world as it is.
<The closest thing to us are apes from 2011 “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” movie (there’s a reason why they named most hardcore ape Koba, after most brutal and successful Russian leader). We’re smart and strong, but we’re new here, and there’s nothing in this world that we can cling to, so we keep building everything from scratch, and are in perpetual conflict with those who occupied this land and this planet before.
<When we try to play “Christian traditionalism” or “Neo-Nazism”, it is YOU who we try to mimic. Just look at “Neo-Confederate” flag of Novorossia. “To survive, we need to overcome America, and to overcome America we need to out-America America”. It’s just experiments in survival. Today we’re outlawing LGBT and are outraged that LGBT person won Eurovision – but first LGBT team on Eurovision was sent by us too, and back then we were outraged that Europeans are archaic prudes that consider underage lesbians to be “inappropriate”. In the Ukraine, we’re both “condemning Neo-Nazi revival in Europe” and invite European Neo-Nazis to fight for us, together with European Far Left – we don’t discriminate. I myself switched political ideologies so many times that I hardly remember, inventing weird political hybrids to seize the day, some of them (like Krokodilism/NazDem) being approved by America to be used against Kremlin, while others (“purple” Neo-Eurasianism) approved by Kremlin to be used against America.
<We’re cynical and selfish munchkinists, we use whatever gives the most plusses here and now. We want to survive and we want to live good, and if the way to get it is to mutate into something, we’ll mutate into it immediately and without hesitations. So, you aren’t dealing with political reactionaries, but with intelligent hungry monkeys that decided to capitalize on modern reactionary wave in YOUR home countries. Just like when we were “Marxists” what we really did was hijacking popular European political movement for our ends, and when we were “Democrats” we actually tried to gain survival points by making an alliance with America.
<If anything, that should upset you more. Reactionaries are limited and predictable. Monkeys are not. Eventually we’ll find a way to mutate into something cool. Until then, we’ll just keep trying. Current “Soviet/Orthodox” revival is reactionary dead-end, IMHO, but we wanted to try it since 90ies, and we have to try everything at least once before moving forward.
<Like every Russian, I wanted to become a dictator of Russia once, and was one of the rare people who actually acted on that desire, for which I was arrested, which started a new Batman-style Russian tradition of putting coup leaders into mental asylums instead of prisons. But such power is such a pain in the ass, so much responsibility in micromanaging a country that is in perpetual crisis and underdevelopment, where half a country doesn’t even have water or electricity. Yes, I wanted the nukes, but running sewage is not something I want to be in charge of, and I don’t envy Putin now.
<I want to focus purely on mutations and development, be a guy like, say, Deathshead from “Wolfenstein”, with my own high-grade labs and facilities. What I have now is underground semi-legal organization with near-zero budget. I can make stuff like cryptocurrency and primitive biomods that are more aesthetical than practical, but not robotics or rocketry or decent human modification. The fact that I waste my precious time for activities that are below my intelligence level fills me with rage. I have no interests other than curiosity and greed. I am just a space monkey without a blaster that wants to have one. And that is much worse than if I was a Nazi. That’s why “Wolfenstein” franchise switched Hitler to Deathshead as primary antagonist.
<If I was born in some developed country I would be a tech entrepreneur and a good guy. But I don’t view myself as bad guy either. I killed people, but not because I wanted to. I am nerdy and sentimental and try to avoid harming even animals and insects. But I was born in a savage land, and I adapted. That’s it.https://wavechronicle.com/wave/?p=2150 >>2786604I buy it, but I can't explain materially why London is willing to go to lengths that Berlin won't. Plenty of idealist explanations such as
>Finally winning The Great Game despite the empire already being lost>Tradition forged in the Cold War for fucking with Russia being priority one for British geopolitics… well, priority two, after wanking off Washington>Desire to prove how much of a global power the UK still is by trying to take credit for slaying an undisputed global power>Zelensky has a stiff upper lip, we like that!Thinking conspiratorially, perhaps London has enough wealthy and connected Russians that fell out of favour with the current Russian state to successfully lobby the British Government to risk all for regime change.
>>2786843I have a simpler explanation - selling arms is one of Britain's only remaining profitable export industries.
>>2786845I considered that, but there's no way Ukraine at this point can actually afford to pay for any of the weapons they're given without not only regime change in Russia, but also a new regime that wants to pay restitutions to Ukraine.
Like, regime change being guaranteed to result in compradors makes sense for countries whom have no recourse to bombings and sanctions, other than surrendering. However Russia has nuclear weapons, obviously, but also more dangerously for London and the EU, the ability to reach anywhere in Europe with conventional missiles.
There's also no real guarantee that the Russo-Londoner clique are seeking a pro-UK government in Moscow either, they just want rid of the regime that keeps pushing them out of windows and instead one that allows them to return to the Russian bourgeois class.
Thus, I believe the British Government are essentially just the A-Team.
>>2786858I don't believe that the UK government sincerely thinks that they can get regime change in Russia. No Ukraine can't pay for the weapons but they'll just be paid for by the taxpayers and keep the economy going, and the bourg will make shitloads of money.
But ok, maybe my explanation is a bit too oversimplified. While the US president might want to end the war, the US security state doesn't, and they are the ones that run the UK government, not Trump. So if they want the UK to keep the war going that's what they will do.
>>2786861>I don't believe that the UK government sincerely thinks that they can get regime change in Russia. I agree, but that's the core of my "they're just mercenaries" theory. A mercenary doesn't really care if the battle is winnable, only that they're being paid to fight it.
As for wealth transfer internally, the UK achieves that already in a myriad of different ways that doesn't involve taunting the Russians.
Why is Zelensky so desperate to convince Trump to sign a defence pact with him? He has to know no agreement he signs with Trump means anything and he won't be getting any help, and it's also blatantly obvious no one in Europe wants to step up either. Continuing to insist on a post-ceasefire defence pact to get a ceasefire is a pipe dream yet he won't give it up, like he doesn't want it to be true.
The Russians' last offer was almost entirely realistic: be neutral (good idea anyway given the Americans have lost their fucking minds, why would you want to hitch your wagon to them?), don't joint NATO (they were never going to be allowed to anyway so why let this be a sticking point?), limit your forces to 800k men. which is 4x more than they started the war with and only like a 200k man decrease from their current strength which they can't even keep properly equipped anyway (which is why their frontline strength is permanently stuck at 500k). The only point the Russians need to give up on is ceding territory Ukraine presently holds - giving up territory without a fight is a precedent you don't want to set, that's a deal breaker. If Zelensky made that counter offer - we agree to everything except giving up the last bit of Donetsk - he can wipe his hands of responsibility, it's entirely on Putin if the war continues, because being autistically obsessed with getting every inch of Donetsk as consolation for failing your primary objective is pointless egotism.
>>2786874Sure the bourgeois are already robbing the taxpayer but why not add one more method?
I feel like this basically is the explanation for 90% of the things that western governments do. It's the only thing that makes sense.
>>2786908Because Ukraine's only purpose is to bleed out Russia for the benefit of the West and die while doing so. If Ukraine was in any freedom to decide its own terms, it would've agreed to Russia's 2022 Istanbul demands.
>>2786900No streams of it?
>>2786914Will definitely be streamed when it happens
We’re all still alive, did it happen after all? Lmao
Black woman gets assaulted and chased out of a store in the US by Ukrainian refugees. When the victim is talking to the cops she even says:
>You can't grab people like this. This isn't Ukraine!https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1spx6o7/the_entire_staff_of_a_zara_chased_after_a_lady/One comment called them Russian. Most comments ignore the fact they're Ukrainian.
These are the kinds of uneducated hillbilly savages that Europe is letting in BY THE MILLIONS. They think that just because Ukrainians are white-presenting that they are cultured and civilized. They're not. Outside of Kiev and Lvov, Ukraine is a shithole full of racists and homophobes.
>>2786908Because basically all is lost for Ukraine at this point; there’s nothing really to preserve (at least from the Ukrainian state’s perspective) by actually seeking an end to hostilities. In all likeliness, the “Korea” option would just result in “West Ukraine” collapsing because having the population tolerate perma-war is one thing, getting them to rebuild society with and for little to no money and have them respect the laws of a state for whom a lot will be disclosed about post-war, is quite another.
Zelensky therefore keeps pushing for a defensive pact and making it the sole condition to peace, because he knows that’s something the west is not going to give him but it’s certainly something Ukrainians would want for their troubles
if that is actually on the table.
>>2786858>there's no way Ukraine at this point can actually afford to pay for any of the weapons they're giventhey just got €90 billies. Still hasn't been released to them, btw. So they have a first tranche of some 40 billies coming soon.
Ukraine is literally swimming in cash, they lack manpower.
>>2787280I'll say it again: Ukrainian refugees are savages that need to be removed from our countries and sent back to Ukraine.
>>2787282Sure but that’s a loan, technically. It will be a miracle if Ukraine manages to pay back the amount borrowed, let alone the interest that would make such a deal worthwhile.
Essentially, the EU has agreed to buy €90 billion worth of war from itself with the intention of handing whatever they purchase from the US over to Ukraine. It’s not like Ukraine can receive that money in cash and decide to end the war and use the money instead for
buying Rolls Royces rebuilding the country.
>>2787300>Sure but that’s a loan, technically. I can sell you a bridge, technically. Interested? Everyone knows it's not a loan, it's a grant. Ukraine has to pay it back only if Russia pays them reparations.
>Essentially, the EU has agreed to buy €90 billion worth of war from itself Not really. Half the money will be used to pay Ukrainian salaries, pensions, healthcare, social services. They actually calculated Ukraine needs €127B over 2 years. They are €37B short for 2027. They have no idea where they're gonna get that. They asked Norway to tap into their sovereign fund but Norway told the EU to fuck off.
>>2787307Sure but “swimming with cash” implies that it’s Ukraine’s money, but it isn’t. It’s a loan officially, a grant in practice, and the money has already been earmarked for paying state salaries and suicide drones/missiles.
Point being, all that money is getting burned, so outside of shareholders of the weapons industry enjoying a windfall, it doesn’t make sense as a cause for why London as a whole is willing to risk putting themselves in harm’s way for Ukraine by notably allowing British weapons to be used for scuttling peace talks.
Even for the shareholders of BAE Systems, cycling British tax money to themselves isn’t a long term goal, the point of exports is that your market is the rest of the world. Exchanging school dinners for giving Ukraine free drones is kind of small fry in comparison to equipping an oil-rich Gulf state with a full fleet of particularly expensive tanks, for example.
>>2787316>cycling British tax money to themselves isn’t a long term goalWhat could have possibly given you the idea that these people are planning for the long term? They're constantly running schemes to transfer the wealth from working class people to the bourgeoisie. This is par for the course.
Your problem is that you're trying to use logic where there is none.
>>2787320We’re all still alive, so presumably there’s some future that’s worth not nuking out of existence.
There has to be a reason for why the entire British ruling class are on board with claiming responsibility for scuttling peace talks, I can’t see that the weapons industry alone is lobbying for that to win a taxpayer-paid contract for low cost and low profit margin suicide drones, for a state that is unlikely to be a long term customer.
And actually tbh this conflict probably hasn’t been that great for weapons manufacturers. They might make some money selling a handful of new weapons to replace shit that’s been lost to givas, but all the Leopard 2s and F-16s that are now destined to be lost are also lucrative support contracts going up in smoke. The EU has had much difficulty in convincing major weapons manufacturers to scale up production for Ukraine when Ukraine itself doesn’t have any money and could conk out at any moment suddenly killing all demand for expensive weaponry. At best you’ve got a closed VW factory being reopened for low cost and/or single use weapons.
>>2786752What the shit is this schizobabble?
>>2786523That girl has serious brainrot.
>muh russian jews>disgusting stuff>got boredNot even duginists say this shit.
>>2786900One of those images is a historical fact
The other is fully photoshopped
How is the war progressing fellow zisters? Has Ukraine collapsed already?
>>2786843It's mainly about Russia's oil & gas wealth, which would be a neat addition to the City of London's assets. Who controls/owns it can use it as economic and/or political leverage to project power in Europe. What's more, I suspect London has not changed her ambitions and geopolitical doctrine in centuries, despite suffering a setback when burger imperialism surpassed British imperialism globally. Britain has an interest to not let Russia, France, Germany, Sweden, Visegrad, Italy etc. get closer politically and economically, because it would diminish Britain's power & influence in Europe.
>NATO's purpose is "To keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down" - Lord Ismay, first NATO Secretary-GeneralBerlin, on the other hand, is always following the USA and Britain to the point of committing suicide because West-German politicians in power tend to be braindead comprador cucks. Plus they eternally live in the past (Cold War), actually believe in western neoliberalism and when in doubt, they put "Westbindung" and "Israel first" even over the most basic material interests of the national bourgeoisie.
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/drones-myths-and-reality>Drones again. First, the Arabic world — Lebanon’s lessons and why Ukraine’s interceptor drones were unhelpful for the Gulf. Then, why Zelensky’s claims of entirely robotized assault operations are false.>Next, the latest updates in the drone war. Russia has been using more drones and with greater organizational skill than before. Ukraine has been deploying a new drone that the Russians have nicknamed ‘the Martian’, which reportedly uses AI to lock onto its targets, rendering it immune to electronic warfare.>Meanwhile, Russian energy export infrastructure has recovered fairly quickly from Ukraine’s massive drone attacks earlier in the month. And both Russia and Ukraine have been hitting key logistical routes 50 kilometers behind enemy lines. Plenty of well-produced videos to watch on this topic today.>And finally, just as important as the drone war, the anti-drone war. We’ll look into why some Ukrainian soldiers are calling to emulate main Russia’s interceptor drone. Meanwhile, Ukrainian air defense teams largely depend on pickup trucks carrying machine guns, which are increasingly targeted by the Russian drones they are meant to hunt. Finally, Ukraine’s decision to allow private businesses to set up their own anti-drone air defense teams has drawn criticism over the opportunities presented for organized crime — opportunities that have already been exploited for several years, according to the ministry of defense.
>Human shields or not, the war calls for more Ukrainian manpower. One Ukrainian MP from Zelensky’s party stated two days ago that the mobilization age may be lowered soon due to the needs of the ‘long war’. Fedir Venislavsky, another MP who serves in the parliamentary national security committee, complained at the start of April that mobilization is too weak, and called to intensify it. He singled out the cities of eastern and southern Ukraine.>And finally, yesterday Cabinet supported a bill that would introduce significant fines and prison terms of up to 3 years for draft-age men that try to escape Ukraine
>In Ukraine, interceptor drone teams rely on the fact that dozens, hundreds of kilometers separate the launch site of Russian drones from their targets. If the drone isn’t identified in advance, it’s very hard to hit it.>That’s also why the Russians have a network of loyal Ukrainian citizens that transmit them information about sightings of Ukrainian drones headed to Russia. This claim was made on April 7 by Sergey Bezkrestnov, aide to Ukraine’s minister of defense. I’m sure the Ukrainians have something similar in Russian border areas.>A great deal of space is necessary to properly counter drones. Iranian Shahed drones and their Russian adaptations travel at speeds of 150-400 kilometers an hour, and have a range of evasion mechanisms when met with interceptors. Correspondingly, Ukraine has a layered air defense system, with interceptor drones, surface to air missile systems, and mobile machine gun groups all positioned at different locations. >But in the Gulf, targets are right on the coast, so there’s only one chance to intercept the drones. The threats appear almost immediately. According to the western defense experts consulted by Business Insider, this makes Ukraine’s short range interceptor drones less relevant.
>Now onto our second myth, Zelensky’s April 14 declaration that Ukraine no longer needs humans to advance. Quite handy, given that almost as many people desert from the army each month (20,000) as are recruited.if anyone pay for the full version, plz post it
Wrap it the fuck up you’re overlapping with the other show
>>2788632It’s a decent attempt at flattery, but Trump already has eyes on Gaza and probably Zelensky’s wife.
>Nazigger
>Cuck fetish
Have you got a third “no u” you wanna throw out there?
>>2788850Kiev knows that it's usefulness to EU is waning as time goes by. That's why the desperation will increase and they need to get in ASAP. When the war is over they will be in ever shittier state and everybody will want their money back. Also they will have no arguments for their EU and Nato membership since there will be nothing left to loot for Brussels since they and Zelensky are already working on it rn.
>>2788860I unironically support Ukraine's accession to the EU because it will destroy the EU in a couple years
>>2788850If ukraine was honestly treated like "any other serious candidate" (and not like the other countries in eastern europe that they roped in) it would be refused near instantly
>>2788798
This pic is accurate af 🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌 🤣
I've seen some article about russia allowing to use cardboard coffins, the west media speculation being its because they supposedly run out of normal ones because they have so much losses. I suspect its a lot more trivial ofc, cardboard simply being cheaper and an evolution of regulation about it finally happening (I dont see the point in spending much on coffins personally). The west media just seized the opportunity to distill some propaganda, although I dont doubt the war cause a significant increase in death, coffins are not hard to make.
But some redditors commenting talked about zinc coffins during ussr afghan war that were sent back welded shut to prevent the family seeing they were killed by bullets, cause ussr denied there was war there. Now that story smells like complete bullshit, especially since the source is apparently the lib anticommunist Svetlana Alexievich book which, it seems to me, is using the same tactic as Solzhenitsyn : making shit up but pretending its true because vaguely based on anonymous testimonies. Anyone here know anything about it?
>>2789256Zinc coffins were used to prevent advanced decomposition and contamination while transporting a body across a long distance, and were sealed shut to prevent air flow or the coffin falling apart. They were unsealed before a proper burial. Obviously the propaganda explanation is retarded bullshit. You still need a sealed zinc-lined coffin to send a dead body abroad today.
>>2789581Seems like Ukraine’s attacks on Russian oil facilities have increased again in response to oil price increases and concerns that the EU might find itself in a position where it has no choice but to reverse plans to cut themselves off from Russian energy.
If Russia has therefore started to stop putting oil though pipelines due to the obvious threat of Ukrainian attacks, then I hate to say it, but their campaign has been a success. At least in so far as they’ve prevented a direct connection between Russia and the EU. To completely preclude the possibility of the EU buying Russian energy, they’d have to attack any oil tankers coming out of India or China or any country who might be reselling Russian oil.
It does explain why the FT would make the point that the terminal for the pipeline is (supposedly) Berlin, to make it seem like Russia is in hostility cutting off the EU rather than best democratic ally No.1 Ukraine cutting them off.
I suppose it’s also worth pointing out that it’s widely suspected that the CIA under Trump have been the primary supporters of Ukraine’s attacks on Russian oil infrastructure. Trump has his knickers in twist currently because the EU won’t take him up on his offer to “walk into Iran and just take the oil” and maaaaybe he thinks their reluctance is due to Russian oil still really being an option, only currently cut off by a law that promises to make themselves dependent on American oil.
How many meters did the frontlines move this week?
>>2789603Less than yo mama’s belt line
Critical support to ukrainian lumpen draft dodgers and azov terrorists bringing down the €urop€aꑭ gard€ꑭ
EU envoys approve €90 billion Ukraine loan after Hungary lifts vetohttps://swentr.site/news/638921-eu-envoys-approve-90-billion-ukraine/Ukraine resumes oil flow via Druzhba pipeline – Hungaryhttps://swentr.site/news/638920-hungary-ukraine-druzhba-oil/A great day for democracy as Hungary pays its protection money and Ukraine saw to it that “Russia” stops blocking Druzba.
Lmao and pro-Ukrainian Xitter are claiming that Ukraine miraculously fixed the pipeline just as Hungary dropped its veto.
Leader of Russia's Communists warns parliament of 1917-style revolution risk>The veteran leader of Russia's Communist Party has warned parliament that the country's faltering economy risks stoking a 1917-style revolution and that the government needs to take urgent measures to correct its course.<“We’re doing everything we can to support (President Vladimir) Putin and his strategy and policies, but you (the government) are not listening, If you (the government) do not urgently adopt financial, economic and other measures, by autumn a repeat of what happened in 1917 awaits us. We don't have the right to repeat that. Let's take some decisions.”https://tvpworld.com/92867677/leader-of-russias-communists-gennady-zyuganov-warns-parliament-of-1917-style-revolutionAnticampists about to have a fucking field day with this one lmao
>>2790461They already do. In fairness, while it's kind of taken out of context, it's Zyuganov's fault for mincing words. He spent the rest of the speech glazing Lenin and what he meant is "we can't allow another February because there's no Lenin to pick up the pieces afterwards this time", but he doesn't want to openly say what everyone is thinking.
>>2790462He understands that as leader of the party its sort of his obligation to fill the role of Lenin right? Sort of sounds like he's saying that they can't do another February because he's too much of a cuck to do his job.
>>2790461>leader of communists doesn't want a 1917parody
>>2790462>>2790464Fair enough that we (the union of /ukr/ and Russia) don’t want Ukraine to see victory, let alone based on internal strife within Russia, but my word what a way to put that.
In other news, that French movie about Putin (played by Jude Law of Enemies At The Gate fame) astoundingly only got a 55% on Rotten Tomatoes. I thought they were going to have to increase the limit to 200%.
>>2790467It's not like the war is going great at this point anyway. Maybe if Russia had a revolution it would actually make their military more effective, like with the French during their revolution.
>>2790526The issue isn’t really that the military isn’t effective enough, it’s more that Russia isn’t fighting an attritional war with solely Ukraine.
Ukraine’s expenditure is only in terms of its population, its not losing its military industrial power because that’s not within Ukraine itself, while money is a non-issue because they’re being “loaned” whatever illusionary price you can put on your own total destruction.
The bigger issue is that ultimately what Russian civilians want is reintegration with western markets as much as the Russian bourgeoisie do. People might start getting cold feet and think that quitting now and giving in will take Russia back to the pre-2020 period with open travel, pre-sanctions cost of living and Telegram not being blocked.
But that won’t happen, if it appears like Russian society is finally buckling under the strain of sanctions, then lifting sanctions is exactly what won’t happen even if Russia does the “right thing” and leaves Ukraine. At the same time, you can’t start attacking NATO/EU directly, not just because of the risk of WW3 but because a direct attack will make open hostility between Russia and the EU last for generations rather than for the length of time the current administration has, where the chances are that the next administrations of Europe will capitalise on the economic fall out of cutting themselves off from Russian energy and the need for military spending defending themselves against a Russia
they helped to attack on behalf of a country that is neither in the EU nor NATO.
Like make no mistake, people in the West are very erect right now over how much they're getting away with during open conflict with Russia, but the economic consequences of being wilfully reckless will hurt them if Russia doesn't collapse and they don't acquire Russia's energy sources to use for the rest of human history that uses Fossil Fuels and Nuclear energy after that.
In that scenario, I expect the West will have no choice but to "win" by returning to the former status quo.
>>2790534Please, capitalists will cuck out on any issue for immediate gain. They'll ust elect "a Russian asset" for president, PM, or whatever they have, and they'll "force through" detente with Russia. That's how capitalist democracy works
>>2790539It's the sunk cost fallacy. If the West walks away from Ukraine now then they simply have to eat the costs, whereas another 90 Billion Euros is immaterial when the losses are already so high but Russia's collapse promises to avoid the economic fall out entirely.
I suppose the comparison to 1917 is apt, given that the so much is riding on the Russian proletariat choosing to either stick it out until victory in Ukraine, or to demand capitulation in Ukraine in the hopes that reverses the last 4+ years.
Truthfully, If I were Russian, I'd be a little bit disturbed by seeing the decay in the West that may or may not be influenced by the catastrophic amounts of spending as a result of backing Ukraine, but that by and large Westerners seem content with it.
Like people are seeing their standard of living tumble despite not being directly under attack or at risk of attack, but 90 Billion Euros is being offered up (with accounting tricks, granted) for Ukraine with mere whimpers at best for expressing discontentment. At what point do these Westerners who love FPV drone footage so much think too little is being done to resolve their economic woes 6 years after COVID and start making their own demands for change?
>>2790557>460k troopsNot one mention of how this will be afforded
>>2790557And I'd like to think, therefore, that the Russian populace takes this doubling down on expenditure and militarisation as evidence that backing down now won't bring back the 2010s.
>>2790482Shit nobody cares about award.
>>2790931Btw, weird thought experiment:
If Zyuganov is right, and political collapse comes to Russia a la 1917, and a Communist Russia comes out victorious from the ensuing struggle, but are unable to capture Ukraine due to the chaos, will it be a bigger victory for communists than if Russia managed to capture all of Ukraine, but keeps its current government?
>>2791141You'd have to be a chauvinist to think not. And Russia isn't able to capture Ukraine even without chaos so whatever.
looking like the afu collapse is picking up pace (sumy, konstantinovka, lyman, etc)
>>2790465Just russian things
Outhouse outside of Kramatorsk status?
>>2791170You say that every month and it doesn't happen each time.
>>2791156Back to my thought experiment, what would you think if Russia becomes communist again via revolution but Ukraine wins the war (by getting back to pre 2022 borders in the chaos.) Would you see that as a victory?
>Russia has taken ~1700 square km in 2026
>the front is ~2100 km long
>this area is equal to the whole front advancing 800 meters
>>2791455A Ukraine that remains functional as a NATO proxy is just as much of a threat to a hypothetical nu-SFSR. I don't see why NATO and Banderites would lift sanctions and stop launching drones at their reborn ideological enemy, especially if they interpret it as proof that Russia is terminally weakened and close to abolition.
Basically nothing else about this situation matches 1917. Even if there was a new Lenin figure to lead this hypothetical revolution, it wouldn't change the fact that NATO (unlike the Imperial German military still facing the Entente) has no reason to let either a Russian Federation in retreat or a new Communist government opposed to fighting Neo-Nazis backed by imperialists call it quits.
Essentially, it fails as a thought experiment because it assumes that Ukraine and NATO stops being an issue after a successful Communist revolution in Russia. It's false jeopardy.
>>2791480>Essentially, it fails as a thought experiment because it assumes that Ukraine and NATO stops being an issue after a successful Communist revolution in RussiaIt wouldnt stop being an issue, but no NATO country has desire to openly attack Russia, and Ukraine would have no reason (or means) to continue fighting someone who for all practical purposes defeated their enemies and won the war for them.
>>2787430She's also wearing a swastika necklace
>>2791455A communist revolution in Russia would be a far greater gain than current Russia taking all of Ukraine. I'd rather a Russia governed by even Zyuganov than an expanded Russia under Tsar Cucktin the Merciful because even if Cucktin miraculously took Ukraine he would lose it again in short order as he makes another gesture of goodwill to his favorite western partners. Current Russian government is so incompetent that they banned Telegram to switch to a supposedly more secure messaging app (Max or whatever it was called) and then the military said that the new app was also insecure and shouldn't be used by soliders. How the fuck is it even possible to screw up that much? Russia is governed by total retards who cannot be trusted to ensure security for their own people, let alone Ukraine.
>>2791480>Ukraine and NATOAre a different issue for communist or capitalist countries. Nazis and irredentism are excuses, Russia is at the very least an aspiring imperialist power with Ukraine being part of their bourgeois geopolitical game. A communist Russia may actually support European integration against the US like China does which would neuter the so called ukrainian threat, and give support and agitate for worker revolution abroad instead of platforming fascist degenerates that end up sucking zio burger dick. A communist Russia would also stop furnishing most of Israel oil.
>>2791507Europeans will become even more derangedly genocidal towards a communist Russia, why on earth would a neo-RSFSR support EU integration. China isn't existential enemies with EU so they can make vague feel-good statements about it, Russia is another matter entirely.
>>2791505Glad you think the genocide of Russians is an acceptable loss if it means the NATO rump state made out of its bones can wave a hammer and sickle
>>2791514>The genocide of RussiansWhere is the evidence for this genocide?
>>2791507>>2791499Both posts are still coming from a position that NATO aren’t vastly more guilty of being imperialist. Both presume that Russia becoming communist would in some way be welcomed within NATO and a reasonable detente can be reached in an epoch where NATO thinks it won the Cold War but the Russian state has cucked them out of their rightful spoils of war.
I can only assume that by a “Communist” Russia, we’re actually describing some SocDem’ist party coming to power that will be supported by, if not the American Democratic or British Labour parties, then their satellite pressure group parties.
>>2791540What exactly do you assume NATO would do in this hypothetical scenario?
>>2791557>what would NATO do if Russia completely nationalizes all of its resourcesGeneralplan Ost 2.0
>>2791557I’ve already said, interpret a revolution in Russia to be evidence that it has been terminally weakened and more pressure would surely both crush the revolution as well as finally vanquishing Russia as a political entity.
>>2791540NATO is not that homogeneous block, this is a liberal midwit take, it's composed a few imperialist countries, mainly US, UK, France, Germany and client states of the US. It was braindead and on the brink after the afghan fiasco and before the retarded russian invasion. The solution to NATO and US imperialism was litteraly to do nothing instead opportunistic chauvinist landgrabs, backing donbass dumbasses in a proxy war and finally doing a half assed invasion after leaving a now hostile Ukraine arm istelf for 8 years. Add to that the cucked constant support to eurosceptic movements that are in their vast majority burger glowies trying to keep Europe from becoming their rival and it's hard to see how Russia could have done a better job of supporting the cohesion of western imperialists. Yeah Russia didn't cuck out anyone except the proles that are dying in the trenches I think
>>2791561Again, what specifically? It is already sanctioned, what else are they going to do?
>>2791571>”NATO is not that homogeneous block”>this is a liberal midwit takeIndeed
>>2791571Take your pick from Syria, Iran, Venezuela, etc. it’s the nuclear deterrent that currently keeps NATO using Ukraine as a proxy, but a revolution involves the people who currently have the authority to push the big red button losing said authority while other people struggle for that same authority.
>"nato is more united than ever!!" in the big '26
ngmi
>>2791580There is absolutely no way EU is invading Russia. If we can image a hypothetical civil war scenario in Russia, then it wouldnt be unreasonable to expect EU throwing its weight behind one faction over other (although if those factions are antagonistic Putinist regime and conciliatory communist one, the are not going to pick the former). But if the scenario we are playing with here is Russia is communist now, nobody is invading. Get real.
Russians and Ukrainians are literally the same people and this conflict is the narcissism of small differences
>>2791587I love how the situation is exactly like 1917 in that Russians can overthrow Putin and implement a communist state, but again, nothing else applies from that time including
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War >>2791590So you expect them to get invaded by North Korea? Because NATO does not fit the role of Allied Powers here.
>>2791587>(although if those factions are antagonistic Putinist regime and conciliatory communist one, the are not going to pick the former).I wouldnt share this optimism of EU supporting communists in Russia. They would always pick liberalism and Putin.
The EU isn't a holsom chunghes mind controlled by amerikkka, it's a cryptofascist chauvinist imperialist entity which just happens to obey a greater imperialist at the moment, but has its own predatory agendas and agency. It would absolutely try to crush communism (or hell, even any form of left nationalism) in Russia while putting as many russians in death camps as possible. It is part of its raisin d'etre
>>2791600You are overestimating ideological commitment to capitalism among European ruling classes. They already have no investments there lose, nobody likes war in their backyard and everybody likes cheap gas. Who the hell is going to go to open warfare to save a guy they have been in years long proxy war with? Like if communists promise to end the war in Ukraine, return the taken land and resume normal trade relations, I genuinely dont believe there would be much objection on EU side.
>>2791604And why shouldn’t they? You Russians have been doing oriental despotism for 900 years in between dirt farming and the invention of the still
>>2791535That's a region, not evidence. More Russians have died post-2022 than from 2014-2022. Genocide allegations are retarded because if 2014-2022 was a genocide then 2022-20xx is a super duper mega ultra genocide of Russia by its own government (and indeed some Russian nationalists are already claiming this rk be the case).
>>2791630>encircles palestinians in an open-air concentration camp and occasionally shells themthis is genocide
>encircles russians in an open-air concentration camp and occasionally shells themeh it's whatever (russians aren't human)
>>2791636Two weeks until Ukkkraine collapses, zizters
>>2791620>Like if communists promise to end the war in Ukraine, return the taken land and resume normal trade relations, I genuinely dont believe there would be much objection on EU side.History always rhymes. You would be shocked when the allies invaded Soviet Russia and attempted to crush the Bolsheviks. Only stopping because of WWI fatigue
>>2791640Get better marketing and be more charismatic, Yahyah Sinwar mogged Putin in terms of aura, charisma, and military capabilities
>>2791652Central Powers also intervened in the RCW, fyi
>>2791640Palestine is called an open air prison because the Palestinians literally can't leave because Israel controls all entries/exits you retard. Meanwhile Ukrainians in the Donbas had and continue to have full freedom to move across the Russian border from 2014 onwards.
>>2791652Are you implying that North Korea is imperialist? NATO is equivalent to the allied invasion and openly desire a rump state of Russia. They want a liberal like Yeltsin at minimum or a balkanized state at best. DPRK doesn't desire that.
>>2791664>you don't like being shelled, having all utilities cut off, experiencing constant shortages because most supply routes were with Ukraine, all because you want to speak your birth language and have autonomy? well unlike Palestinians you can just abandon your home and move to a different country, so be grateful!bruh, the mental acrobatics wrt Donbass is insane, if literally any country not fellating the West did what Ukraine did it would be sanctioned by everyone and their mother and rightfully accused of genocide
>>2791657Did they? I am genuinely not aware of any central powers intervention on behalf of whites during the civil war.
>>2791670No I am implying that Allied Powers were allied to Tsarist/Republican Russia, exact opposite situation to our thought experiment here.
>>2791694>exact opposite situation to our thought experiment here.Imagining the EU/NATO would back a communist revolution just to get rid of Putin isn’t a thought experiment, it’s mental sickness.
>>2791694>No I am implying that Allied Powers were allied to Tsarist/Republican RussiaSo you believe that NATO will leave a neo RSFSR alone and not add even more pressure? Also it was unanimous decision by the capitalist powers that Soviet Russia needed to be crushed and if it wasn't for destabilization back in Europe(Bavaria and Hungary), WWI fatigue and other reasons, they would have kept going to overthrow the Bolsheviks for the White Republican state.
>>2791702>>2791705I genuinely dont know what are you basing these assumption on. Like is EU trying to invade China? Hostility towards USSR was driven mostly by the danger of revolutionary movements in the their own countries. Today communism is utterly marginal in Europe, nobody is going to war out of fear of neo-USSR galvanizing the 5 member Trot book club.
>>2791696Anon, read the article you link, not just the headline.
>>2791723A key fact the english article leaves out is that Germany relatively quickly annulled brest-litovsk and diplomatic relations with the RSFSR and prepared to invade, but the German Revolution, the Compiegne Armistice and the general weakness of Germany at that point prevented it.
Germany invaded Russia, supported the whites, occupied southern parts of Russia and established puppets (Krasnov's cossacks) even after brest-litovsk, it simply didn't do as much as the Entente because it was on a losing leg.
>>2791678Them not being able to leave is only part of it. They completely lack control over their own electricity, water supply, trade relations, sea routes, land resources, the way they travel in and out of their country freely, etc. Not to mention they are literal slaves to zionists since they don't have worker's rights. Even if somehow you aren't being currently targeted by zionists in fully occupied Palestinien, you are being treated like dirt in every day of your life.
>>2791723>I genuinely dont know what are you basing these assumption onImperialism of NATO and the end goal. You really think that getting rid of Putin will end the aggression from NATO? That is not even getting into the propaganda that Putin the ex-KGB officer is trying to revive the USSR. The problem is Russia and until it collapses as a state, the goal is to keep putting pressure.
>>2791737>Palestinians have it even worse than Russians in the Donbass therefore it is not genocidal Do you hear yourself
>>2791744I'm a completely different guy you retard.
>>2791747It doesn't matter if you are a different guy lol. The point is still there
>>2791752>>2791754You made no point you retard. I have never claimed anything about Russians and never implied anything about them like your retarded strawman suggests.
>>2791737And Israel is doing all that alone right? They don't happen to have a military bloc behind them in full support of that.
>>2791670>They want a liberal like YeltsinBut they already have that?
>>2791736>Germany invaded Russia, supported the whites, occupied southern parts of Russia and established puppets (Krasnov's cossacks) even after brest-litovskVery disingenuous recounting of the events. When did Germany invade Russia post-Brest-Litovsk? And while it did help prop up (not through direct military support though) some german-sympathetic white leaders, it was also in opposition to anti-german Whites (i.e. most of them).
>>2791741I dont think they are going to be BFFs. I do think it is ridiculous to suggest EU, as it is now, is going to invade Russia. And especially not to save an anti-EU regime.
>>2791768>And especially not to save an anti-EU regime.nu-RSFSR would be an anti-EU regime, so we're still where this started, why would a Communist revolution in Russia cause the EU/NATO to back off?
>>2791768>By the beginning of May (1918), the western part of the Don Voysko Oblast, including Rostov, Nakhichevan–on–Don, Taganrog, Millerovo, and Chertkovo, was occupied by the German Expeditionary Force, which entered the territory of neighboring Ukraine in March, in accordance with the agreement signed by the Ukrainian Rada with Germany and Austria–Hungary. The leadership of the Don Soviet Republic, evacuated to Tsaritsyn, subsequently moved to the stanitsa Velikoknyazheskaya and continued their activities there until the end of June. On May 16, in Novocherkassk, General Pyotr Krasnov was elected Ataman of the All–Great Don Voysko, relying on an alliance with Germany in his fight against the Bolsheviks.>Discontent was brewing among the Kazaks over the beginning of the redistribution of land on the Don, and the fact that outlander peasants, who had previously rented land from the Kazaks, were beginning to occupy and cultivate Cossack allotments in the yurts of Cossack stanitsas. Contradictions in the countryside grew and led to numerous Kazaks' rebellions against the new government. The situation was aggravated by the entry of German Troops into the region: German Cavalry occupied the entire western part of the Donets District, German Garrisons were located in the stanitsas of Kamenskaya and Ust–Belokalitvenskaya, in Millerovo, Bataysk, the Germans occupied Taganrog and the Taganrog District and found themselves 12 kilometers from Novocherkassk.>The turn of the Kazaks against the Bolsheviks allowed the White Movement to gain social support and an economic base in the Don. Having risen to armed struggle against Soviet Power, the Don Kazaks restored the Ataman's Power in May. General Pyotr Krasnov, elected as the Military Ataman, began to form the Don Armiya from Cossack Detachments, using the assistance of German Troops and establishing an exchange of grain with them for weapons and ammunition. >>2791758>Palestinians have it worse therefore it is not a genocideLook at the convo that was being have. You can be a different guy, but that is an argument he would make.
>>2791768Communist Russia would be even more anti-EU than the current liberal government of the Russian Federation. Putin still uses terms like western partners and still wants in. Communist Russia would be the opposite
>>2791839Putin wants to be imperialist either among or against them, depends on the day, but each time Russia chips away the EU they actually serve american interests and US chokehold on the region, see Orban. If Russia was actually hard-line communist they would oppose everyone and even China for being pro free market and having a bourgeoisie, but if they were shrewd they would play nice with everyone while working to down american hegemony instead of propping up their puppets to take 2km of the Ukraine
>>2791874>Putin wants to be imperialist either among or against themWrong.
>>2791874>play niceThe EU has more interest in seeing Russia destroyed than the US at this point.
>POLITICO previously reported that the kill zone at the war front is expanding because of the extensive use of drones — forming a gray area of chaos stretching some 20 kilometers from the front, where supplies of ammunition, food and water are almost impossible to move up to the fighting troops.
This also confirms my suspicions that Ukraine just busses troops into situations where they lack the initiative (and presumably have a life expectancy so low, it's not worth feeding them), just to avoid retreat and keep the headlines coming about underdog Ukraine stalemating the Russian Goliath.
I suppose the greatest irony of all is that the start of my infamous autism ITT was nafoids claiming that Russia is "a boiled frog", but they were using the analogy incorrectly. That the analogy actually describes the pro-Ukrainian faction ignoring the rising temperature at the front, because the headlines constantly boast of Ukraine's asymmetrical exploits within Russia while imploring people to only concern themselves with the rate of territorial exchanges at the front.
It's fantastically ironic how often the signs have been dismissed as not a big deal and even Russian propaganda, if you interpret them as evidence that "lol fpv drones" aren't a silver bullet that's allowing Ukrainian troops the most comfortable and risk-free conflict since the Phoney War.
>>2791723>nobody is going to war out of fear of neo-USSR galvanizing the 5 member Trot book club.If liberals don't see communism as a threat, then why are we blasted with anti-Soviet and anti-communist propagands 24/7?
>>2771121It figures they live outside of Russia but then again you can say that for countless shills on the Ukrainian side, or any national camp online like for the Balkans or China. English savvy Internet users tend to live in the West, like the Iranians and Cubans you see online.
>>2791758Can you address the other guy's point instead of just calling them names?
>>2792055You haven't made a point, retard
Why doesn't China give nazigger moskals 90bn€?
>>2792284Based JDPON Ukraine taking treatlerite europedo money and spending it on golden toilets. I want EU to give Ukraine not 90, but 900 billion so more european pensioners die
>>2791874>actually serve american interests and US chokehold on the region, see Orbannonsense. During Biden the US was anti-Orban, only during Trump did they become buddies.
>>2791723>Like is EU trying to invade Chinahave you seen the amount of anti china propaganda in the EU? they're seen as dangerous enemies of the empire, the only reason they're not sanctioned right now on some bullshit reason or other like the uyghur hoax is they're too important economically
>>2792573
most honest anti-campist award
>>2792593The thread is surprisingly quiet considering the wave of hype Ukraine currently has, we’re down to “nazigger” anon and they seem to be seething and/or malding rather than celebrating.
>>2792037>Ukrainian troops don’t necessarily even get fed let alone paid. These are troops that got their supply lines demolished by RuAF. This incident gets attention but both sides suffer from this across the front.
>>2792956Yeah that’s generally when you retreat, when you can no longer supply the position. Russia is willing to retreat from untenable positions while Ukraine is not, hence why we see the pro-Ukrainian side boast about stalemating Russia as well as images of famished Ukrainian troops.
Thread is dying because moskals are stuck behind a digital gulag. Only champsoc left to defend the Nazi Reich online. Must have a privileged VPN connected pooter in spb
>>2792982>>2792982>Only champsoc left to defend the Nazi Reich onlinechampsoc is not pro-UA. wtf are you retarded?
>>2792982He is a europeon. That's why he is still here. He will disappear when ID verification starts.
>>2793011Counting the days, are you?
>>2793011>>2792982do people think Russia that has been "cut off from the Internet"? lol
Russia's finances are imploding. Why don't the splitting chicoms bail out their little nazi pets with 90b€?
how many airstrikes can ninety billions buy? has boris johnson said anything about this? moskals are going to have to mobilize to deal with all their huge losses
>>2793021i'm counting on it
these nafo baits are frankly embarassing, its like they dont even believe them anymore
or maybe its just one especially pathetic polyp tourist that stick around, not sure but iran happening did bring a bunch
EU’s €90 billion ‘may not be enough’ for Ukraine – WSJ>Kiev requires another €19 billion to cover its budget needs in 2027, diplomats have told the outlethttps://swentr.site/news/639065-eu-ukraine-money-costa/But it’s fine though because the EU has infinite money and even if they don’t they can just steal the Russian assets for realsies this time.
>>2793092last time I was on /pol/, like half the posts in /uhg/ were by the same ancom flag posting gore, I think it's the same guy
New NATO member flags fiscal strain while boosting military aid to Ukraine>The Finnish government has recently cut social and healthcare benefits and significantly raised financial support for Kiev<The government’s fiscal plan for 2027–2030 was presented earlier this week. It includes cuts of €240 million to social and healthcare spending but €300 million in increased military support for Ukraine.https://swentr.site/news/639111-finland-extremely-difficult-ukraine-aid/Oh.. well at least it was probably fun in 2022 being told that Russia was going to be defeated for cheap, using pocket change and whatever could be found still functioning in the NATO scrapyard.
Also for the Finns specifically, they did ask for this when they voted to join NATO in their referendum on dropping neutrality… oh.
>>2793157>voted to join NATO in their referendum on dropping neutrality… oh.Yeah, referendum… right.
>>2793104that's all they do. they coordinate on discord. any pro-reality thread and they spam it with gore
>>2793181I remember leaked screenshots from a NAFO discord server dubbing itself as Ukraine’s internet defence force, where they were unironically giving themselves military ranks and discussing their “combat” fatigue and resulting depression.
Please tell me I’m not the only one who remembers this, it’s too funny to be forgotten.
>>2793192>JIDF but UkrainianNah, too good to be true.
>>2793157Are Austria and Switzerland the only neutrals left in Europe?
>>2793377The US-Ukraine-Israel axis of ephebophilia must die a painful death ASAP
>>2793381Interesting, trophies they captured or perhaps a loan from the Russian MoD?
>>2793527the funniest one
>Netanyahu: My wife and I were shocked to hear about the repeated attempt to assassinate Trump and his wife. There is no place for violence—not against political leaders and not against anyone. Unique IPs: 245