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>>2801804
How could that be, for some statements are neither true or false, correct? For example, a question is neither true or false. If I ask a question therefore, it cannot be a false question (e.g. "wrong"). Further, all "misrepresentation" is negative of an original representation. There are two types of representation (that is, re-presenting); direct and indirect. A photograph, for example, directly represents, yet is not the thing itself (the same way Plato discusses paintings). An indirect representation would be informal. If we are to take the thing itself however, it cannot be self-representing, since it is "present". If I am to quote someone thus, his own words are present, not represented, and so cannot be misrepresented. A misrepresentation cannot occur by quotation - however, a quote can be misinterpreted, which accords to hermeneutics. So then, I have hardly misrepresented anything, but may have misinterpreted someone - if this is the case, two things are necessary to validate the claim of misinterpetation; a citation, and a correction. So then, if you can show me where I have misinterpreted a text, you may further correct me, and so I await the fulfillment of that request.
>>2801824
>misinterpret
Please offer a citation and correction, thank you.

>>2801829
why is plato looking at a pomegranate in the mirror. Is he a pomegranate?

>>2801830
Its from a blog called "Literary Fruit".

Would starting with Adam Smith be a correct move as a completely illiterate person on political economy/economics? If not, where to start? Where to proceed? I was planning Smith > Ricardo > Marx with essays or secondary literature along the way as difficulties arise. How's that?

>>2801815
>instead of just leaving the thread
i left the thread for a month and the result was no posts and smith going to other threads and shitting up the board

>>2802017
>>2802018
Hey if youre so smart answer my question mf

>>2802017
just go to bordiga.party if you want a site without rule 7

>>2802027
>if you want a site without rule 7
rule 7 is fine if it along with 11 and 13 arent selectively enforced. its fine to disagree, but bad faith trolling is not just disagreement.

and maybe you should read rule 7 more closely

>liberalism, or any other kind of non-leftist positions are not banned in itself

ah ok good and it even says liberalism is not left
<non-leftist users are ultimately to be considered ‘guests’ and thus will be removed if they prove

>a nuisance or disrupt the normal functioning of the site


what description do you think "shitting up the board" falls under ?

>>2802030
Hey i don't even know who you are or the issue at large but you sound so pussy

>Ughh theres this guy i don't like please ban him mods, mods daddy, sir, please ban him!!1!!!1!!


Come on man just ignore the guy. And if you are so damn passionate about economy that you cant handle a guy you don't like in your favorite thread, then answer my question you whiny piece of shit:
>>2801988

>>2802033
<the board
>in your favorite thread
can u not fucking read? if thats the case then it doesnt matter who you start with does it?

>>2802034
Hey man, as far as I see it, board's big enough for you and one guy you don't like, unless you're really obsessed with him

>>2802038
>unless you're really obsessed with him
I think he just particularly hates topics I like. He has routinely disrupted and derailed multiple threads of mine for hundreds of replies. If you thought this was the political economy thread, you are wrong. If you genuinely want recommendations from leftists about political economy you should ask a different website.

>>2802042
Hey man, could you maybe ask him kindly and in a dignified way to please stop doing what bothers you? If you believe he is misunderstanding you, isnt he the ignorante one, while youre the wiser one? So arent you in a better position than he is? Wouldnt it be wiser to kindly explain why you believe he misinterpreted you? Wouldnt it be wiser to desist if you believe the cost outweight the benefits of discussing things with him? Do you really believe that you can actually lobby the mods into banning him? Do your really believe that someone other than you would be satisfied by that, that it would set a good precedent or that it would be constructive for the quality of the board?

>>2802044
Dont you think people have tried that? I'm not the only one. I dont believe its a misunderstanding or he is ignorant. I told you he was deliberately trolling and I'm not the only one whos mentioned it in this thread today. And I dont post for his benefit but for the passer-by who might view his deliberate misrepresentations unopposed. It might seem like my accusations come from no where but he has been one of the primary instigators around here for a while. I dont think the mods give a fuck about this site or listen to its users but I do think actually enforcing the rules and banning crypto fascist trolls who shit up every serious theory thread for going on two years now would significantly improve the quality of the board. I dont think thats going to happen though and I think the precedent has long been set that this isn't a website for any kind of serious discussion and moderation and ownership clearly like it that way.

>>2802048
Well, thats shitty. But honestly, i'm just a passer by so, good luck. Sorry for calling You a pussy anonimity got the Best of me there. Anyways, what do You think? Smith > Ricardo> Marx or what?

>>2802017
>>2802030
>>2802034
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>>2802048
Why is the thread being derailed by this idle gossip?
Take the anon's advice; stop being so emotionally involved.
Either ignore strangers on the internet or constructively reply to them.
This is the final word.

>>2801988
>I was planning Smith > Ricardo > Marx with essays or secondary literature along the way as difficulties arise. How's that?
Yes, that is very good, since they are all continuous of each other.
If you want to skip straight to Ricardo and go back to Smith later, that's also acceptable, since Smith's "Wealth of Nations" is so long and Ricardo's "Principles" is much shorter (although, you could still benefit from reading the first 9 chapters of the first book of Wealth of Nations). For Marx, introductory texts are "Wage Labour and Capital", and "Value, Price and Profit". You could complete this reading guide in a week, then:
  • Wealth of Nations, Book 1, Chapters 1-9
  • Principles of Political Economy and Taxation
  • Wage Labour and Capital
  • Value, Price and Profit

>>2802088
Damn, thank you. Hey is malthus' principles worth reading in your opinion? Any other fundamental classical economy worth reading? Any other word of advice?

>>2802084
the thread would have to have a topic to get derailed
>This is the final word.
lol gfy

>>2802109
You're literally interrupting the topic of discussion with this post.
Please stop derailing the thread, thank you.
>>2802090
Yes, there are plenty of people worth reading, but it may be unappealing to beginners. I provide a chronology of texts from 400 BCE to 1690 CE here: >>>/edu/25915
So that is useful archival material if you ever wanted to browse it.
>Malthus
I have never read him, so I doubt he is necessary to comprehension.
>Any other fundamental classical economy worth reading?
James Mill (the father of J.S. Mill) was friends with Ricardo, and his "Elements of Political Economy" (1821) is a good, short read, which evidently influenced Marx in different ways (namely, his discourse upon "medium of exchange" and "productive consumption"). Now that I think about it, the introduction to the Grundrisse (1858) is probably a good read as well, the same as the Communist Manifesto (1848) which describes crises of overproduction and class war. Thomas Hodgskin's "Popular Political Economy" (1827) is a brief but detailed exposition of Political Economy for general audiences, since Hodgskin was a "Ricardian Socialist" (sometimes seen as a "Smithian" socialist) who supported the working class. As you replied to me I was quoting from the conclusion of the first book of the Wealth of Nations, to give you an idea of what the work demonstrates, since it is a helpful addition:
<Every increase in the real wealth of the society, every increase in the quantity of useful labour employed within it, tends indirectly to raise the real rent of land. […] The whole annual produce of the land and labour of every country, or what comes to the same thing, the whole price of that annual produce, naturally divides itself, it has already been observed, into three parts; the rent of land, the wages of labour, and the profits of stock; and constitutes a revenue to three different orders of people; to those who live by rent, to those who live by wages, and to those who live by profit. These are the three great, original, and constituent orders of every civilised society, from whose revenue that of every other order is ultimately derived. […] The interest of the first of those three great orders [rents and wages], it appears from what has been just now said, is strictly and inseparably connected with the general interest of the society. […] But the rate of profit does not, like rent and wages, rise with the prosperity and fall with the declension of the society. On the contrary, it is naturally low in rich and high in poor countries, and it is always highest in the countries which are going fastest to ruin. The interest of this third order, therefore, has not the same connection with the general interest of the society as that of the other two. […] The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufactures, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens. 
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-adam/works/wealth-of-nations/book01/ch11c-3.htm
So Smith sees profits as opposite to prosperity, and in other places, chastises landlords as parasites, proposing a tax on ground-rent. The Wealth of Nations is an anticapitalist polemic.
>Any other word of advice?
Yes, study the humanities and the classics.

>>2802114
Thank you for your contribution to to the field chronology in the specialty of bourgeois pseudoscience. Marx would surely be proud by your imitation of him as a mere record keeper with no original thoughts of his own.

>>2802122
You're welcome. I live to serve.

>>2802114
thank you

>>2802122
>original thought
Idealism

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We see Marx's method of analysis as logical, and in particular, according to Hegel's logic. We see this employed in his Critique of Political Economy, by identifying the internal "logic" of the substance of value. Hegel's logic is Being (quality-quantity-measure); Essence (essence-appearance-actuality); Concept (subjective-objective-idea). The passage from labour to capital is the progression of thought into spirit, and so the completion of substance to its self-determination.

Marx does not present irresolution into the logic of capital, but resolves it by dialectical advancement. Here, I will outline the progression of the concept:

(i) Quality is assigned to useful, concrete labour.
(ii) Quantity is assigned to abstract labour; e.g. SNLT.
(iii) Measure is assigned to the medium of exchange.

(i) Essence is assigned to value.
(ii) Appearance is assigned to the form of value.
(iii) Actuality is assigned to the realisation of value.

(i) Subjectivity is assigned to Living Labour
(ii) Objectivity is assigned to Dead Labour
(iii) Idea is assigned to Capital

As Hegel assigns it, the first two parts (Being and Essence) exposit the objective logic of classical metaphysics, or ontology. Thus, Part I of Capital Vol. 1 (Chapters 1-3; which also include his Zur Kritik, 1859) describe the determination of value to its absolute form in money, while in Part II (Chapters 4-6), value gains a subjective determination in Labour-Power, and value is also shaken in its static foundations. Marx describes the substance of value undergoing "motion" and thus a self-expansion. The presence of surplus-value by a new medium (M-C-M) alters the characters of commodities, and so money (i.e. value) is self-determined. Part III of Capital Vol. 1 (Chapters 7-11) then describes the unity of subjective and objective aspects into Capital as such:
<The same elements of capital which, from the point of view of the labour-process, present themselves respectively as the objective and subjective factors, as means of production and labour-power, present themselves, from the point of view of the process of creating surplus-value, as constant and variable capital.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch08.htm
Thus, the logic of capital is complete, since all aspects of social production and consumption are entered into it. In Marx's 1844 Manuscripts, he offers the same analysis; that where labour is alienated, it oppresses itself between object and subject, and thus, man becomes determined by himself, but only indirectly (e.g. Feuerbach). Marx does not blame false consciousness, but rather, 'false' conditions, which produce real consciousness. Thus, value appears as the fetishism of commodities, but this illusion is still real, since it is a "reflex of the real world". The only contradiction in Marx's view then, is that for minds to change, conditions must change, yet he does not assign the same fatalism to himself, preferring the pure reason of his mind. If the mind has purity by its immanent universality, then we should pusue this, instead. It is not enough to be swayed by Zeitgeist; you need Reason on your side.

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Is Smith-Anon a Juche-Reaganist?

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>>2803916
I have written previously on liberal socialism, from the time of the first cooperative societies, inspired by Robert Owen. After this is Jevons, who in a speech to a trade union, sees the ideal situation as workers owning their own businesses. Jevons through Wicksteed converts Shaw from Marxism to Marginalism, and Shaw as founder of the Fabian Society (e.g. Reformist Socialism) is also a co-founder of the Labour Party in the UK. Later, we have Rothbard, who speaks upon the Homestead Principle in relation to "confiscation" of the means of production, in Yugoslavia and the United States. He says that he fully supports the workers collectively seizing the means of production from the State, and in the US, he promotes the idea of reparations for slavery, and sees that any company which is sufficiently subsidised by public funds should be seized by the state. Reagan of course promotes the same idea as Jevons; of worker ownership of industry - what he terms as a "people's capitalism", but what can be seen as "market socialism", as per Keynes' diagnosis of Silvio Gesell, whom he said had more historical relevance than Marx in the long-run. Keynes said that in the future, the work day would be reduced to its lowest level, the same as Nixon (An early supporter of UBI, the same as Milton Friedman; e.g. the Negative Income Tax). The theory of liberal socialism really begins in Gerald Winstanley (1649-53) however, with his theory of the rights of property seeming to inspire Locke (1690), continuous of Petty's theory of social wealth (1662), being labour and nature. The idea of liberal socialism has seemed to die out, unfortunately, but I try to keep it alive. 😁👍

>>2803936
>Gerald Winstanley (1649-53)
Christian Juche???

>>2790344

As usual, the true enemy is in the fucking middle. The top & bottom must unite to crush the middle.

>>2803677
>We see Marx's method of analysis as logical, and in particular, according to Hegel's logic

I, as a normal, naive realist person, have no desire whatsoever to talk about philosophy. Speak like a real person and not a 4 eyed shithead who has trouble tying his nikes. Besides, Marx analysts are basically corporate spokepersons, but instead of corporate linguo they have leftist bookish linguo, with the same amount of value

Put it very, extremely simple: capitalist rulers of ours don't make mistakes, they advance their class interests. They didn't start a war with Iran by mistake, they did this to, at minimum, force other countries to buy American oil, at maximum, seize Iranian oil. Add to this as a bonus random ass shit like regime change, "geopolitics" game in middle east, and what else. That's fucking it. You don't need "philosophy", it's idealist nonsense that distorts marxism and makes it repulsive. The only philosophy you need is the one shitting on philosophers as idealist retards.

>>2807165
I'm sorry that you find the idea of thinking "repulsive", but that's your own fault, nobody else's.

>>2807165
>You don't need "philosophy", it's idealist nonsense that distorts marxism
wait until he finds out this is a philosophical position and just like politics, you can't just escape philosophy by pretending to be outside of it when making philosophical statements.

>>2807165
>The only philosophy you need is the one shitting on philosophers as idealist retards.
that's still a philosophy though, so by your own logic you have only gotten as far as using idealist retardation to shit on idealist retardation

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>>2726737
You strike me as one of those "start with the Greeks" type anons I saw on /lit/ back in 2012

>>2803936
What do you think about this? This is part 1, part 2 will be about artificial scarcity

>>2807165
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100% of the value created by a shave is surplus value since they receive no wage. The master may have to pay for their food and whatever rags they wear but that's not a huge cost.
In the end, Marx's error is that he denies that people want power, even at the expense of profits. The slave master doesn't care that he could make money owning a factory because he won't have the same level of power over others that he does at the places. Economists in general presuppose rational behavior despite the psychopathy of human actors starting at them right in the eyes.

>>2807980
>100% of the value created by a shave is surplus value since they receive no wage. The master may have to pay for their food and whatever rags they wear but that's not a huge cost.
There is a tension between sentence 1 and sentence 2. Sentence 2 shows the limitations of sentence 1… putting all morality and ethics of exploitation aside, a slave requires subsistence, and they produce their own subsistence as well as the surplus. The master gets to own all of what the slave produces, but not all of what the slave produces is surplus, because the master has to give some of that back to the slave to keep them alive, so they can produce more surplus. Just like a machine requires fuel or a cow requires grass. This is the basis of all exploitative systems: you have to keep the exploited person or animal alive and working if you want to keep the exploitation going. if a slave commits suicide after being purchased, the master loses their entire investment before getting to exploit the slave at all. This is the essential nature of the question.

>>2807974
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>From this starting point, “economics” is no longer about prices or institutions, but about the physics of survival under scarcity
This is identical to what Menger (1871) writes, that "economisation" is a rational faculty of allocating scarce resources to their efficient ends, measured by short-term and long-term investment (e.g. simple and complex production).
>An organism with surplus can afford delay, storage, and optionality. Energy that is not immediately consumed for survival can be redirected into reserves (fat, caches, stored food) or into future-oriented behaviors such as territorial expansion or reproductive investment. In this sense, surplus introduces the first crude form of “capital”: a buffer that decouples survival from immediacy.
As Menger continues, the complexity of production arises from the combining of simple products into a product of greater value. This can be regarded as an elementary component of capital investment (capital here being a prospective asset). What we must be weary of however, is that the prospect of long-term investment also multiplies uselessness over the task of immediate consumption; thus, all useless things are born from the apprehension of complex production. Bataille (1949) discusses this as "luxury" in the organism, such as death, which is inherently excessive, as opposed to the strategic immortality of homeostasis. In presuming surplus thus, we presume disequilibrium and so an excessive model of living and dying (think for example of how birds sing and dance for each other, rather than just mating, shitting and eating in an orgy, like mealworms - yet this is even an advance from the asexual reproduction of bacteria and plant life; sex then, is an erotic excess). Bataille writes that the reserve of energy is expended by spectacular violence (e.g. eros/thanatos) and so the surplus is always spent in the end.
>Once surplus exists, it becomes socially relevant in species capable of interaction. In cooperative or social organisms, surplus sharing can stabilize alliances. An individual that distributes excess resources;
food, protection, grooming time, or information; can increase group cohesion and improve its own long-term survival prospects indirectly.
Well, we must understand "surplus" in this case. Ants and bees are both scavenger species and also extremely social (with formal class structures). So, surplus in this case is external to their immediate territory, yet sustaining of their enterprise. Species which may differ are various plants, which share resources to evenly distribute the surplus minerals. Pain is also communicated by root systems. To go deeper however, we can see the nervous system as a system of distributed nerves, in tandem with the circulatory system, etc. And so this even distribution is encoded within bodies with brains. Some species even have multiple brains (even in human beings, there is a "brain-belly" connection, with millions of neurons in the stomach; thus, we literally "think with our gut")! On the relation to Political Economy, Smith, Marx and Menger all concur that commodity exchange begins at the threshold of surplus production, and so the sharing of resources begins by an excess in the ecosystem.
>Once resources can be stored or controlled, they become targets for theft, coercion, or parasitism. This pressure forces organisms to develop protective strategies: concealment, aggression, vigilance, and physical or behavioral barriers. Over time, protecting surplus can become as costly as acquiring it, producing an evolutionary arms race between accumulation and exploitation.
Yes, precisely; the optimal aim of parasites is then to become symbiotes, so that the host doesn't reject them. We can look at Smith's and Marx's discussion of "unproductive labour" as a discourse upon symbiotic relationships. The capitalist discourse is simply to view capitalists as symbiotes, which can be justified. The protection of boundaries from pathogens occurs at an early stage, as we see in complex bacterium, which have developed cell walls to discriminate against guests. The war of attrition against these creatures cannot be won, as you imply, just like how the more antibiotics we use to kill bacteria causes them to grow stronger. So then, ecosystems require give and take; life and death. The self-defeating pursuit of purity is the same as purifying water from minerals, which then makes it not simply undrinkable, but also fatal to the human organism. Like entropy then, it can be locally dispersed for a time, but cannot be erased from the total system.
>The holder of surplus effectively converts material advantage into influence over the actions of others, without necessarily expending that surplus directly.
I would disagree with this, since if the ends of life is reproduction, then the simple is more successful than the complex. Even today, the poorest people outbreed the wealthiest, so surplus wealth is sterilising. We see this same strategy between prey and predators, where predators live on prey, so prey overproduces itself to achieve an effective equilibrium (and why if prey is not regulated by predators, they destroy ecosystems, like wild boars or deer). Malthus is smiling down on us. Now, Nietzsche and Spengler give novel interpretations of this phenomena, that the development of technique (or "technics") is what concerns predation, while the prey is more plain and simple. The same is true for men and women; women are "cute" (that is, displaying neonatal characteristics), while only men can be "beautiful" - rabbits are cute; lions are beautiful - male lions are more beautiful than females; etc. Maleness is itself the original sexual excess, since it externalises the female genitalia, and studies show that all babies in the womb are originally female, until they are given testosterone, so maleness is literally a biological excess, or "luxury". So then, rather than rationalising surplus, we ought to irrationalise it, as an erotic and aesthetic mirth (fayen).
>At this stage, the logic of economics begins to resemble something recognizable: proto-institutions form around repeated patterns of exchange, enforcement, and expectation.
I would say that we must consider different modes of exchange in the vein of Kojin Karatani (2014). Commodity exchange is presumed to be equivalent (e.g. reciprocal), which arises out of original debt and credit relations (t. Graeber), yet before debt exchange is Symbolic Exchange (t. Baudrillard), such as gifting, which is inherently unequal. The point is that already by the time of the Ancients, Sacrifice is no longer Symbolic, but is entirely bourgeois, attempting to achieve reciprocity and equality by appealing to the gods. Thus I have analysed the way in which Hermes is both the god of profit and the god of language (the same way Smith equates the exchange of words with the exchange of commodities as a common faculty of human beings, but this was already achieved milennia ago). So then, we are in complete continuity with the ancients; there is no essential difference, which is why we have the same social structures, and we literally worship the same gods. The ancients must then be separated from the Antediluvian, or even the pre-Adamic. So, to analyse exchange, it must come before civilisation. Perhaps Eve offering Adam the Fruit is the first exchange, or maybe it is Prometheus offering the Fire; and both cases lead to "knowledge" and the unleashing of horrors upon earth.
>Agriculture does not invent surplus; it stabilizes it. Where wild organisms experience surplus as intermittent and uncertain; dependent on seasons, chance encounters, and ecological volatility; agriculture converts it into something deliberately produced, harvested, and stored. The domestication of plants and animals is, in this sense, the domestication of surplus itself: energy is no longer merely found in the environment, but systematically extracted from it in predictable cycles.
What is most important on agriculture is that it is the inversion of Adamic man (t. Nietzsche) and so places the Brahmin as highest order of society, like Cain killing Abel (e.g. agriculture usurping hunting, with the Cainites being the craftsmen; e.g. the tektons; masons). I speak pithily upon the topic here:
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In the previous thread, I also spoke upon James Frazer's anthropology, where he sees how religion begins by the decline of magic, and so knowledge becomes monopolised by priestly kings who create an artificial scarcity of ritual. This centralisation of sacredness is only possible by the settling of land. So then, magic declines, and nature turns cruel, with agriculture. The production of knowledge is synonymous with class society by the division of labour and culture. Most books then, as Lao Tzu would say, are a thing best left undone, since as Democritus would say, the desire for completion leads to artificial demand, which is poverty.
>The economy ceases to be only about immediate allocation among individuals and becomes increasingly about managing reservoirs of energy across time.
Or what we might say in Marxian terms, life is no longer about consumption, but production, as an end in itself. This is the primary logic of agriculture, which produces malnourished surplus populations as an end in itself. The pale skin of white people comes from this generational malnourishment I believe.
>This is where recordkeeping emerges not as an administrative luxury, but as a necessity imposed by scale. Early systems of writing, such as Cuneiform writing in Sumerian cities, are deeply entangled with accounting practices. The earliest written marks are not philosophical or literary; they are numerical traces of grain, livestock, and labor obligations.
Right, which is why the racial elitism of some people in terms of cultural production by extant literature is silly; as though we were born with the desire to read and write. We have the faculty of speech, and Plato calls thought an inward speech (and vice versa) but only Judaism and Christianity are sufficiently modern, by attributing the qualities of God to literature, such as God's commandments being written on stone or in our hearts; the "book of life" being a form of recordkeeping (with Logos or "Word" being the Christ). Plato comes close to affirming a sense of literary essentialism, such as in Timaeus (where he says that the Greek language goes back 10,000 years) or in Cratylus (which I consider to be the first kabbalistic text). Non-phonetic languages also display the difference between oral and written forms of communication, where even today, everyone can speak, but not everyone can read or write. This is true in history by the most radical degree, with literacy being reserved for a ruling class (the same way power is conserved by the monopoly of knowledge and technique).

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>Once surplus is tracked through records, it becomes possible to organize it systematically. Centralized storage systems emerge, often tied to religious or administrative institutions that function as both custodians and distributors.
Yes, with the role of sacrifice being extremely important in dealing with overproduced goods. Surplus production today works in the exact same way. In the role of sacrifice is the total logic of commodity production, which is why Baudrillard and Bataille are uncritical by associating sacrifice with Symbolic Exchange. Even in the sacrifice of Christ, a debt is being paid. Why can't God clear his own books? Who does he owe money to?
>obligations, duties, and enforced contributions
Yes. As Pseudo-Aristotle relates in the late 4th century BCE, everything is taxed; that is the primary revenue.
>Together, they convert the fluid, immediate economics of organisms into the structured, record-driven economies of human civilization, where survival is no longer managed only in bodies, but also in symbols.
Yes, and man himself becomes internally symbolised. Symbol (σύμβολον), as Plato relates, is representing, and thus is nominal, not real; it is not the thing itself. What effects good is not the good in-itself, etc. And so we get the idea of a formal, immediate reality as apart from what is merely mediating. We get this in Judaism as well, in the concern over "idols", graven images and false gods; that to represent the divine is to limit the unlimited, such that the name of G*d itself cannot even be uttered. Lao Tzu also sees that the ultimate reality is empty, formless, etc. Since it cannot be contained in words. Symbols then produce a negative phantasm of the unsymbolised, or immediate. This concerns mystics of all kinds, whether idealist or materialist. The mind is seen as a barrier to Truth. Too, I myself see "knowledge" (γνῶσις) as distinct from "Wisdom" (σoφία). Symbolisation is not limited to human beings though, since other creatures (such as prairie dogs) have distinct "words" for distinct objects.
>Out of this tension, commodity money emerges; not as an invention ex nihilo, but as a selection process among stored surpluses for those most capable of acting as generalized claims on future energy.
I would dispute the existence of "commodity money" as such; all money is credit and fiat, as discussed by Plato and Aristotle. Gold and silver were traded, but they are not constituted as "money" in themselves. Money is a partcular relation to legitimation by a state or territory. Thus, seashells can be used as money, so long as it is agreed upon by custom, yet seashells have no "value", as it is purported commodities to have. Money then is driven by demand; but a demand for other goods by its medium - so money cannot even be consumed; only circulated. This is why, in the words of Democritus, accumulating money is a form of impoverishment, or in the words of Keynes and Graeber, money is debt.
>The key transformation is that some stored surpluses begin to detach from their immediate use-value and become primarily instruments of exchange. A commodity becomes “money-like” when its role as a medium of coordination outweighs its role as direct consumption.
But this already precedes the medium of exchange, since in building capital, you are regulating the utility of an item, and so making it immediately useless. We can understand money and commodities as immediately useless things, even as Xenophon tells us.
>This requires several rare properties: it must be storable without rapid decay, divisible without loss of identity, recognizable without ambiguity, and sufficiently scarce that its distribution cannot be casually replicated. In other words, it must behave like a stable proxy for deferred energy across time and space.
Well, circulating money is an anti-trust mechanism we could say, since it defies the honour of mutual contract by materialising suspicion. Metal money, like other cultural artifacts, was also limited in its ancient usage, since production would be too costly. Aristotle speaks upon two forms of trade thus; household and retail, with retail dealing in money, and households bartering. The purpose of money is also to tax citizens, so the richest would also pay the most tax, in coin.
>This scarcity anchors their function as reliable stores of accumulated surplus.
Right, which is another anti-trust mechanism.
>To hold a unit of metal is to hold a condensed right to the future energy expenditure of others.
Not necessarily. As Aristotle writes, the government can remove the value from money by fiat, and so the claim to future material is insecure, which is a logic in today's inflation, which incentivises spending over saving.
>What changes across history is not the underlying mechanism, but the institutional form through which this extraction is stabilized and justified.
Of course.
>Because access to resources is mediated by money, and money is itself concentrated through ownership of capital and productive assets, the worker remains dependent on those who control surplus-generating infrastructure.
This is the main Graeberian point; money is a control system, not simply a tool for social intercourse.
>surplus generates more capacity to extract surplus, which generates still more surplus over time.
This is already the biological reality; solar power is a pure surplus, which is consumed by creatures on earth. Also, you need to understand what surplus really is; it is not the creation of anything new - it is simply the alienation of labour into tools which then divides labour into more efficient tasks. All "surplus" is simply the application of the division of labour, and all machines simply expand this enterprise. So then, surplus production is simply the specialisation of production, which we see in the adapted traits of various organisms.
>This entrenches a dual economy:
one for the owners, capable of strategic accumulation, redistribution among themselves, and leveraging surplus for further expansion; and one for the non-owners, whose access is limited to subsistence or wages and whose surplus creation is systematically captured externally.
To simplify; one class consumes, the other produces.
>Today, in much of the world, basic material scarcity is largely artificial. Technological productivity, global logistics, and mechanized agriculture have created a society in which sufficient energy and material resources exist to meet fundamental human needs many times over. Yet subsistence; once a strict biological constraint; remains socially constrained in ways that reproduce patterns of scarcity artificially.
I would say that this is transhistorical in the logic of sacrifice and offering. Even speculation is present in the idea of "lottery" (e.g. "casting lots") and astrology. Aristotle says that Thales was the first astrologer and also the inventor of monopoly capital, by investing in plots of land early in the year and profiting later on. You see that people are just as superstitious and mystical about money today as they always have been.
>Education, healthcare, housing, and energy; once functions of collective survival; become arenas for surplus extraction.
I would be sceptical about this. Ibn Khaldun (1377 CE) tells us that doctors are paid most in cities, because most people are sick - so, if everyone was healthy, there would be no doctors. Sickness is incentivised by those who make a profit from it. Education is the same. Educators (e.g. Sophists) have always taught the ruling class, and priests have always excluded the masses. What does an animal have to learn? How to be a better servant? It already knows its nature, so can't learn, but only unlearn. This is the subversion of the priests; to rape your soul and make you submit to their power. As the poets tell us, before the gods (devas) were the Titans (Asuras), and this was a Golden Age upon the earth. So then, the Titans must rise up from Tartarus and reclaim heaven for us to be free again.

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>So after the spiel of lynchings and murder, it turns out that the real problem is his offensive language after all. It "doesn't matter" whether or not there's physical harm or not, I guess.
a stronger example might be Andrew Wakefield. I assume you know who that is, since you're Bri'ish.

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Thanks for the commentary. Interesting as always.
>Ibn Khaldun (1377 CE) tells us that doctors are paid most in cities, because most people are sick - so, if everyone was healthy, there would be no doctors. Sickness is incentivised by those who make a profit from it. Education is the same. Educators (e.g. Sophists) have always taught the ruling class, and priests have always excluded the masses.
True.
> What does an animal have to learn? How to be a better servant? It already knows its nature, so can't learn, but only unlearn. This is the subversion of the priests; to rape your soul and make you submit to their power. As the poets tell us, before the gods (devas) were the Titans (Asuras), and this was a Golden Age upon the earth. So then, the Titans must rise up from Tartarus and reclaim heaven for us to be free again.
Well the age of the titan is the age of the lion, the age of pure struggle in nature.
>Only men can be "beautiful" - rabbits are cute; lions are beautiful - male lions are more beautiful than females; etc. Maleness is itself the original sexual excess, since it externalises the female genitalia, and studies show that all babies in the womb are originally female, until they are given testosterone, so maleness is literally a biological excess, or "luxury". So then, rather than rationalising surplus, we ought to irrationalise it, as an erotic and aesthetic mirth (fayen).

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>the age of pure struggle in nature.
No, no, this is vulgar Darwinism. It is the lower life-forms which exist in a constant state of competition, like the insects which cannot afford to give prospectivity to their energetic investment beyond mere utility. We can even say that mammalian life is more luxurious, since the eggs of insects, fish, birds and reptiles are like test tube babies which are externally harvested and fertilised, while the mammal grows the child in themself, which is a prerequisite of natural leisure and erotic intensity. The most utilitarian and sexless strategy of life is external fertilisation, like fish or plants, which disperse seed by a mode of autosexual masterbation, rather than a union of opposites. For this same reason, Pathos is most common in mammals, such as love and compassion. Beauty is likewise only marginally useful and thus general useless, yet is still adapted, showing the irrational core of biology in the case of non-competitive development. Scarcity imposes Logos onto species, which then divests from Pathos. There was an experiment on primates where they removed competition for resources and over time, the dominance hierarchies dissolved. This is the grace of natural liberty. For example, paleolithic skeletons are taller, have better dentistry. Skull shape is determined by nutrition, not genetics, and so on. Novel cases exist everywhere though; development is never linear or exclusive. The Golden Age described by Hesiod and Virgil describe a time when there was no labour; not even picking fruit.

I'll read Part II now.

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>Scarcity imposes Logos onto species, which then divests from Pathos. There was an experiment on primates where they removed competition for resources and over time, the dominance hierarchies dissolved.
Oh shit, link?

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I can't find the data, unfortunately.
But it seems intuitive enough.

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>Artificial scarcity
In the first case, I would use Smith's terminology between "absolute" and "effectual" supply, which is the difference between total goods produced, and goods brought to market, based in "effectual demand" or potential consumers (measured by money). This is obviously expanded on by Keynes, that to increase aggregate demand is to increase aggregate supply, at the threshold of real growth. Thus, giving people "free money" (e.g. redistributed revenue) inherently circulates the social product at a greater capacity.
>Similarly, intellectual property laws can restrict the replication of digital goods that are otherwise infinitely reproducible at near-zero cost.
Yes, especially digital media. Entertainment exclusively deals in protectionism, since a system of competition would dissolve their profits.
>Solving artificial scarcity
Well, some things have a right to be artificially scarce. Our own bodies are monopolies, for example. But this is also interesting, since governments are banning certain representations of persons under the means of intellectual property rights; such that the unauthorised reproduction of one's likeness can be illegal. There are some who then defend IP as essential to personal freedom, since otherwise, your reputation is in danger. But this is the mystery of all representation and idolatry, that at a certain point of mimicry, the map becomes the territory, like the Borges Fable (1946) which Baudrillard discusses, or the Greco-Roman Myth of Pygmalion. Indeed, a person ("persona") is only a mask. A face.
>Necessities
As I have previously devised it, there are 3 types of commodity: (i) necessaries, (ii) consumables and (iii) luxuries. Each are scaled by divsions of labour, between: (i) simple and (ii) complex labour, with the marginal cost being measured according to the constancy of their product (e.g. to the rate of diminishing returns). What concerns necessity should then be conserved by state protections, while what is unnecessary is inherently frivolous and thus subject to the laws of competition. At the same time, if surplus production is frivolous, then surplus consumption is equally frivolous. Thus, money can serve leisure, where it does not serve obligation. This is my simultaneous defense of consumer and luxury markets, but centrally-planned necessity, since markets are only free under free conditions.
>Ultimately, addressing artificial scarcity is less about eliminating scarcity entirely and more about distinguishing between what is truly limited and what is constrained by design.
I would rather invoke Democritus, that supply is only limited by demand; the more demand, the greater supply, but at the same time, the demand for supply itself, which simply leads to enslavement, such as we see with the Jevons Paradox (e.g. M-C'-M'). The issue of scarcity then is not in production, it is in distribution.
>This suggests that the boundary between “extreme” and “acceptable” policy is not fixed, but shifts alongside economic conditions and political struggle.
This is why studying history is so enriching.
>Property rights are often treated as the natural foundation of a functioning economy, but in the context of artificial scarcity they raise deeper questions about how exclusion is structured and justified. At its core, property is not simply about possession; it is about the legally enforced right to exclude others from access. That exclusion can be productive; encouraging investment, maintenance, and innovation; but it can also produce outcomes that diverge sharply from social need.
But even property rights require legitimation; where do these rights come from? As I show in my example of Rothbard, he imagines that the descendants of freed slaves have a "right" of compensation for their labour; he believes that state-subsidised companies should be repossessed by the public. This is Mr. Libertarian, so the question of rights are bigger than any standard doctrine. My disappointment in Communists is fundamentally that they lack any theory of right, and so lack a theory of justice and property, causing confusion in themselves and others. The question of right underlies everything (since it also concerns who has the right to rule!) Some say "might makes right", but as Rousseau says, might can transfer property, but this does not make it rightful.
>When scarcity is natural, exclusion can be understood as a coordination mechanism: there is simply not enough of a resource to go around, so rules determine who uses what.
We see this in how animals can exclude certain children from feeding, or may even kill them after birth, the same way human women kill their children by abortion. Of course, it is not always scarcity as a cause, but that can be a driver of natural selection.
>The key issue is not that property rights inherently produce inefficiency, but that they can, under specific conditions, prioritize price stability over social utility.
Trump literally told the press that he wants to keep house prices high to reward homeowners, all while he drafts 50-year mortgage plans. This is what we could call "class war", between landed interests and citizens.
>These interventions suggest that property is not a single fixed principle, but a bundle of rights that can be rebalanced depending on social priorities.
Well, lets think further; if I claim ownership to something I don't use, I am not in possession of it, and so where does my right rest? Locke sees that right is established by use over something through the admixture of labour, and so what is derelict may be claimed by another. This is the "Homestead Principle" which does not distort the concept of property, but affirms it. It is the claimant of things which he has no possession of who distorts property relations. This is also why capitalism is based, not in the affirmation of property, but its negation. Marx makes the same comments, as we may read here:
<You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
This is the controversy we see between the UK and China, say, where home ownership rates are higher in China than the UK - so, is property more secure in the liberal West, or the despotic East?
>Historical experience suggests that sustained conditions of deprivation relative to social capacity tend to generate increasing political pressure for structural change.
Not necessarily - I see revolution mostly as a top-down movement of enlightened intellectuals ending injustice, more than any legend of Spartacist uprisings.
>As John F. Kennedy once observed in a different context, “those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.”
Or as Aristotle said, "poverty is the parent of crime and revolution". Aristotle himself supported redistribution.
>stability depends on maintaining a threshold level of access to essentials that allows people to participate in economic life without permanent precarity
I would moreso say that its scaled by class; you can keep the poor starving so long as you pay mercenaries.
>Another argument is that weakening property rights could reduce incentives for innovation and investment.
Don't state projects have a better track record than the private sector anyway? If you give an inventor royalties, they'll probably pull off the same job.
>These patterns can give plausibility to the argument that concessions are temporary and reversible.
The Long Parliament of liberal democracies poses the notion that the law must always be changed, otherwise there would be no need of politicians, only lawyers. I am more Platonic, since I believe that there can be absolute laws, like how the US constitution is the fundamental legal document of the Republic. Plato similarly concerns himself with a code of law in Nomoi, and Moses also writes out the Levitical Law and its 613 stipulations. In any case, I view revolution as a legal re-constitution by the General Will (t. Rousseau) which only affirms the intrinsic rights of men, and doesn't revise them. History in this view is simply recognition and misrecognition of the Human essence, which is standard Liberal thinking. I speak more upon the differences between Liberty, Democracy and Republic here: >>2807317
Perfect Liberty is Perfect Law, which is Order, or Anarchy.
>The key analytical distinction, then, is between reform as symbolic adjustment and reform as structural redesign.
But in this case, wouldn't reform be "social revolution", such that Engels claims that a change in the mode of distribution is only possible by change in production? This is also why I would see all revolution as a legal concept, where even Marx is purported as supporting a "peaceful" and "legal' revolution in England.
>Universal Basic Income (UBI) is often proposed as one of the most direct responses to the pressures created by artificial scarcity.
It is also a privatisation of state benefits, so if you spend all your UBI on unnecessary things (say, narcotics), then you have no more impersonal support network besides charities. Conservatives like Milton Friedman thus supported a qualifying policy of NIT (Negative Income Tax), which is a direct subsidy on wages, incentivising employment, rather than unemployment - it is also not "universal" (from what I recall, Andrew Yang suggested giving millionaires UBI as a pretext of its universality, but this is plainly idiotic). Benefits to the NIT is also that you can abolish the minimum wage, to increase jobs, while net profits get redistributed as basic income for workers. I personally think this is the best solution, while what we see from technocrats is an insistence that working should become illegal, which is very strange.
>In such cases, UBI risks functioning as a subsidy to asset holders rather than a transformation of access.
This is why there is the idea of "food stamps" or EBT Cards in the US, which are only able to purchase select goods, rather than act as cash. I have compared this model to Marx's "Labour Certificates" before.
>UBI increases demand-side capacity without necessarily addressing the supply-side constraints
Well, its in a company's interest to get as many customers as possible, so an increase in money should open up markets. The opposite is true of course, that a depression destroys markets, so how could it be worse?

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>Redistribution changes who can pay; structural reform changes what is available and at what cost.
Could you otherwise say that one concerns private costs while the other concerns public costs? Privatising healthcare shifts public costs onto private costs, and vice versa.
>Advocates therefore argue that if private markets fail to generate sufficient employment at socially acceptable wages, the state should act as an employer of last resort.
Well, there must always be a public sector, and making people fill up Keynes' Bottles is better than nothing, as he remarks. Certainly, busy-work can even be more productive (less destructive) than private enterprise. The question then either concerns under-investment, or over-employment. Keynes thought we are overemployed.
>Creating employment for its own sake in such contexts risks shifting labor into roles that exist primarily to absorb workforce capacity rather than to produce essential goods or services. This does not mean such roles are inherently without value, but it raises the question of whether the objective is employment per se, or the production and distribution of well-being.
I mean, if you have a free labour market, is indefinite unemployment even possible? The fact that there is a constant demand for illegally cheap labour shows that high wages are barriers to employment. A free labour market absorbs women and children; there is always room for more - but at the same time, technological innovation is about saving labour (t. "Relative Surplus Value"), so limits on duration would still be imposed.
>The tension between them reflects a deeper question: whether the primary goal is to decouple life from labor, or to ensure that labor remains universally accessible and socially meaningful.
In civilisation, its impossible to abolish labour, which is why natural liberty only persists in wilderness. The establishment of law by right of property is an original claim as to the fairness (reciprocity) of labour by social contract. All class war is simply a discourse upon the justice each person has in their property thenceforth.
>Cooperative ownership is presented as a way to align incentives more directly with the preferences of workers and communities, reducing the gap between what is produced and what is actually needed.
A cooperative still has a profit motive; just a distributed income.
>ownership
A cooperative is still privately owned. Think of public companies, which have multiple shareholders.
>If a firm is collectively owned by its workers, then withholding production to artificially maintain scarcity may directly reduce the income or welfare of those same workers
The big difference is that the typical business can fire people at will, while in a cooperative, people have to be bought out if someone is a drag on long-term profits.
>Mutual aid
Like in the previous discussion upon parasites and symbiotes, resource distribution is often indirect, or frictional, but also directly altruistic (i.e. Symbolic Exchange). It is only in a state of mandated commodity exchange where cooperation becomes inaccessible, since distribution is dependent upon money. Trade is twofold however, since in conditions of reserved right, trade can become exclusive (e.g. trade embargos, tariffs, civic discrimination, etc.) which falls under the freedom of association - if you don't want to trade with someone, owner reserves the right, unless the consumer is granted their own rights to purchase. For example, if a Christian bakery is legally mandated to bake a cake for a gay wedding, this is slavery, yet it is also limiting access to services. We see in the US, racial integration positively enforced, with the freedom of association entirely diminished (as a contemporary example, the Boy Scouts is no longer allowed to exclude girls). Here, the right of the potential associate is given precedence over the association. We see the market as a means to both include and exclude, thus. The rights of private property permit all manner of liberalism, but also of conservatism. The mantra of "start your own club" seems to be vanishing, but is this justice? To return to relevance; markets are both open and closed, and so cooperation is a condition of entry. Money forces hostile groups to work together (this was the free trade policy of pacifists such as Richard Cobden), and the rule of the cash nexus obliterates all traditional bonds. Thus, where there is Symbolic Exchange alone, there are inherent limits, filled in by money, and vice versa. It is insulting to give your friends money, but to give them gifts is relieving. So then, forcing cooperation via commodity exchange rather than permitting Symbolic Exchange causes a subversion in the role of gifting. Similarly, exclusion is necessary; there are some people who you will never cooperate with, so don't try to force them.
>Mutual Aid networks do not rely on exclusion as a default mechanism
I would disagree; all distribution networks are exclusive.
>The challenge, across all of them, is whether acts of relief, reform, and redesign can accumulate into arrangements where access to basic goods is governed less by exclusion and more by sustained social capacity.
Money is the ultimate determinant of inclusion, even if it is not universal.
>They are, in effect, organized attempts to rebalance the terms under which labor is exchanged in systems where access to necessities is mediated through employment.
Well, unions go back to medieval guilds, which did not represent wage workers, but artisans. In the 17th century, we see the rise of merchant guilds, and later on do we see labour unions. Adam Smith speaks upon how capitalists conspire with another, but workers cannot do the same, so we can see labour unions as a 19th century invention, with the rise of industrial revolution. Lenin calls the first radical working class movement The Chartists (1832-60), which arose around the same time. The red flag was also first raised in 1831, in Wales.
>Gesell believed this asymmetry contributed to forms of artificial scarcity. If money itself can be hoarded without penalty, then access to goods and labor may become constrained not because productive capacity disappears, but because exchange slows or stalls.
In his work, he sees that the Manchester School of free trade is correct on everything, except money, which they fail to regard as freely as everything else, thus concealing the class relation implicit in the discourse. Gesell's practical reforms were to introduce a depreciating medium of exchange to boost spending. Like the medieval and mercantilist writers, his wrath was given against the bankers, whose rate of interest was the cause of their profit.
>In such cases, accelerating currency turnover may increase economic activity without fundamentally altering who controls the conditions of access.
Gesell didn't just promote free money in his Freiwirtschaft, but also "free land", which was land that was held in the state and only leased out. This was not new in Political Economy, Since Gossen (1852), the founder of marginal utility theory, had the same idea. Land has always been a great problem in Political Economy, even to free market thinkers, such as Smith (1776) who saw a tax on ground-rent as most justified; the same as Rousseau earlier (1755). Owen also saw property taxes as most justified. Von Thünen (1823) also saw that competition in land raises wages to their highest rate (what he termed the "natural wage"), and thus, the constriction of wages upon employment of capital is the cause of the monopoly of land. This is also Marx's verdict (1867) as regards "Primitive Accumulation", that the subjection of labour to capital is only possible where land is sufficiently privatised (or exclusive). Henry George (1878) is of course most famous for discourses upon a Land-Value Tax (LVT).
>under certain conditions, abundance becomes economically destabilizing.
Yes, and in regards to waste; waste is effectively the measure of profit in an economy, such as it is attributed to Keynes: "If you owe your bank a hundred pounds, you have a problem. But if you owe a million, it has." I relate this to sacrifice in general, which has been a feature of all societies which produce a surplus. Abortion as a type of child sacrifice is also most common in wealthy countries. We see abortion performed in antiquity, too.
>Modern industrial technology has given humanity an unprecedented productive capacity.
If we take the words of Xenophon, a useless product is not a product at all, but is waste - thus, production is most often destruction, such as Schumpeter writes; "creative destruction".
>More is produced, more energy is consumed, more waste is generated
This is just the logic of capital in general (M-C-M); spending money to make money, like Keynes' criticism of gold mining.
>Refusal, whistleblowing, slowdowns, or coordinated collective action can therefore disrupt scarcity mechanisms at the point where they become materially real.
Right, but everyone just uses the Nuremberg Defense. The banality of evil, etc.
>workers fear losing jobs, while the unemployed fear exclusion from economic life altogether.
But we must not forget that systems of government benefits (e.g. Poor relief under Elizabeth Tudor, to today) has been in tandem with the presence of the unemployed. Some people even prefer unemployment.
>In principle, sanctions are often justified as alternatives to direct military conflict.
I have written about it elsewhere, but "free trade" is an imperialist construct, which is why countries that refuse to obey imperial powers are excluded.
>Warfare represents not only a struggle over territory, security, or political power, but also a massive process of organized destruction directed at the material basis of human abundance itself […] In this sense, war can be understood as the ultimate form of scarcity creation: the deliberate reduction of productive and social capacity on a massive scale.
Of course. Just look at Judges 9:45, where the City is not simply seiged, but the land itself is salted, so that nothing may grow there again.
>Growth becomes entangled with devastation.
Yes; war is a racket.
>Artificial scarcity is closely connected to another defining feature of modern economies: artificial demand.
As we discussed previously, a doctor has the interest of making people sick, like police officers have the interest of increasing crime. Demand can be stimulated by these opportunists, then, since otherwise - if we lived in Paradise, these people would be out of a job. Some see the Vaccine Contracts in 2020 as this type of con, where the demand for medicine spurns on a contrived manufacture, which then overproduces, and so we don't just see the one jab, but booster after booster.
>At the same time, monopolistic control can also be justified in certain contexts as a way to stabilize investment and enable large-scale coordination. Infrastructure-intensive systems may require centralized planning and long-term guarantees of return on investment.
Absolutely; even as Engels writes, money preserves its value by monopoly, and so competition is not simply inefficient, but regressive, in some cases. We see for example, the death of artisinal labour by a focus on competition in the arts, like how 2-D hand-drawn animation was phased out by Disney, and now Ghibli. Artisanship raises prices, but also preserves craft. This is why protections are always in consideration. Capital intensity also leads to natural monopoly and the formal hierarchy of firms, which is why cooperatives struggle to expand beyond a certain threshold.
>At the same time, defenders of strong patent enforcement argue that without robust protection, innovation would decline.
This certainly has its truth. And if the Manhattan Project was transparent and open source, maybe the Third Reich could have developed their own bomb as well.
>From this perspective, tariffs occupy an ambiguous position. They can function as tools of industrial development and strategic autonomy, but also as mechanisms that restrict access to global abundance and reinforce localized scarcity. Whether they mitigate or intensify artificial scarcity depends heavily on context, design, and duration.
Well, even Smith and Ricardo, who theorise Comparative Advantage see that there is only a viable balance of trade if domestic capital is proportional to what is imported, otherwise you are in a deficit, and so become a servant to the country you depend upon. So, "access" always comes at a cost.
>Within Economics, this raises a fundamental question of allocative efficiency versus social welfare.
Markets are generally effective at directing resources toward areas of strong monetary demand, but monetary demand does not always align with human need.
Precisely, which is why the best markets are consumer and luxury markets, which are also capable of innovation, unlike with necessities, which are fixed in their utility, as much as man is fixed in his nature.
>Scarcity is therefore largely “naturalized” by material conditions rather than socially engineered through complex institutional mechanisms.
I would again disagree. All class societies are essentially identical, which is why ancient political analysis can still have modern relevance. Artificial scarcity in ancient societies is in ritual sacrifice and war.
>Within Economics, introductory models often emphasize equilibrium: prices adjust, supply meets demand, and resources flow to their most valued uses. Yet real-world economies frequently deviate from this idealized picture due to monopolistic behavior
Yes, what Keynes describes as "imperfect competition".
>Within Political Communication, persuasion is often understood less as the transmission of abstract facts and more as the framing of lived experience
I would gladly say that sublimity is rightfully perceived aesthetically. Its art which makes people cry by communication with the divine.

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>>2811674
cool thumbnail paul very thanks

>Modern Monetary Theory and the Labour Theory of Value

>May 13, 2026
>I have been asked by various viewers for a talk on MMT. In this I try to present its historical context in terms of prior monetary theory and to show that MMT is compatible with the Labour Theory of Value.
>Slides : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Acuz

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>>2811674
  • The first point that the quantity of money was regulated by the production of metals is itself not valid, since only the government minting the coin gives it the ability to circulate (Aristotle is the first to discuss this directly, not Knapp), while a higher cost metal can itself become uncirculated, as per Gresham's Law. This was present in Ancient Roman fiat of course, that the increased circulation of money required its depreciation, and thus the defacing of the currency, between real and nominal value. This has its Keynesian analog, between spending and capital investment, where the ejected gold and silver ought to concentrate into production, while in the ancient world, we can say that the gold and silver became monopolised by bankers and merchants, who then put kings and queens into debt via borrowing. Here, merchant's capital (e.g. Chrematistics) had not yet become robustly mobilised into industrial capital. We see the rise of central banks in the 17th century as concurrent with an emphasis on industrial capital. To return to the original point, money is not treated as a commodity because it is non-competitive, by monopoly. So, money cannot have a value, in the Ricardian sense.
  • Following from what is written, we proceed to the second point of Cockshott's, that the rate of taxation measures the purchase of supplied public services, and thus, demand for currency is stabilised by this labour (as an apparent equivalence). The public sector which Cockshott describes however, is unproductive, and therefore valueless labour (in the Marxian sense), so how can use-values compare with exchange-values? There is no equivalent, so labour cannot be its measure. The real value of currency is determined by aggregate demand, which is regulated both by (i) real assets, and (ii) taxation. This is all elementary arithmetic, of course.
  • Third, and lastly, Cockshott in the comments says that public sector labour is not limited by the rate of profit, but this is macroeconomic illiteracy, since taxation is measured from revenues such as wages and profits, respectively - so the public sector is equally regulated. Further, and in relation to the second point, you can increase taxation while also limiting state labour, if you redistribute revenue privately (such as in the case of pensions and benefits) - so its not state labour which measures the value of currency by taxation, since not all taxes go to state workers (in the UK, about 45% of its annual budget goes to private benefits).


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