>>2816279>its true this has been the case historically, but you cannot be sure this will be the case in the future yearsIts not in the class interest of workers to have the government take all their stuff, so why would they be communists? Trade union consciousness is immediate to the interests of workers (e.g. higher wages), but the interests of labour are also an impedement to the larger communist struggle. Thus, Marx, Engels and Lenin complain of the anti-immigrant attitude of workers (indeed, Fascism is begun by proletarian violence against Italian immigrants in France; t. the Aigues-Mortes Massacre of 1893, which as Kevin Passmore tells us, inspires Maurice Barrès in his politics, to later call himself a "National Socialist", in 1898, 21 years before Rudolf Jung's "Nationalsozialismus"). Moishe Postone also tells us of the proletarian character of Fascism, where it regards the spectre of finance capital versus industrial capital. His ultimate point relates to Marx's Critique of Political Economy, that "labour" as substance of value, is spiritualised as capital, and so the problem begins in its original abstraction. The reason the proletariat is reactionary, is because they identify with the abstraction, when labour in and for itself is capital, as I demonstrate here:
>>2803677So, this is the criticism of the politics of labour generally, which is lost on most communists, who think that the working class is the subject of liberation, rather than Humanity generally. The "worker" is already dehumanised as "labour". The politics of labour is the basis of Liberalism however, by right of private property, for as Locke tells us, right is first granted by means of mixing labour and nature (with alienable property henceforth being the germ of capital). Marx himself cannot quite escape the justice of labour, by suggesting its compensation under communism, according to measure, and so labour as political subject remains inherently problematised, yet all politics depends upon it, since all politics is class warfare, and class is based in the ownership of property, instituted by laws. So, all politics is simply a question of law - this is why some say that communism is a sort of anti-politics (e.g. the withering away of the state), but the state is really just preserved under different titles.
>It will just happen, doesn't really need a justificationThis is immaterial of the object of discussion. We are discussing political belief and support, and all belief must be justified. You are saying that you are not a communist when you say it requires no internal justice, so I would hope that you are at least honest about that.
>to whom am I or the proletariat or anyone supposed to "justify" anythingWe can answer this negatively; are there things you would not do? If so, why not? What would stop you from hurting others for selfish gain? The fact that our behaviour is internally regulated means we have an inherent standard of morality.