/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2863179
which is a problematic issue because Idk if we do have a decade. Also even if we do, it might take longer than a decade. And it would also take time to maximize production in a way that replaces meat.
Theres also the other issue where the cattle industry pressure politicians to fund different alt solutions. Not exactly a great time we live in

>Lake Powell reaching critically low elevation levels, nearing 'dead power pool,' experts say
give me alfalfa or give me death

Everything burns, on the bright side it's a perfect time to really radicalize and enrage the people around you!

We will stop the fires with the blood of the capitalists

>>2863173
Needs to be repossessed by communists for better development and allocation, as with all other technologies controlled and owned by capitalists

>>2876838
as an on-and-off vegan (I often break and eat meat/dairy on holidays) artificial meat is kind of cringe and pointless. a lot of it is just pea protein. might as well eat peas. why turn vegetables into highly processed imitation meats? I would rather just stick toe eating vegetables and then on holidays have a little meat and cheese. Personally what I find objectionable about meat isn't so much the death or even the cruelty, that's purely a moral concern, but it is economically unjustifiable because meat uses way more land and water per kilogram of food product, per 100 grams of protein yielded, per 1000 calories yielded. It is unjustifiable on that grounds. So why add additional processing steps to plant products when the whole advantage of plant products are they require less energy to produce than meat?

>>2877312
Slop text

>>2877321
why do some people think anything longer than 2 sentences or some thought terminating phrase is slop text? are you under 25? did you never learn how to type more than 60 WPM? is reading difficult for you? not trying to insult you. i am really baffled when I type like 5 or six sentences in lower case text and get accused of being ai slop.

>>2877370
Slopper stop slopping. Your text for the most part doesn’t even touch on artificial meat production other than mentioning it’s name. The rest is a weird tangent and arguments that are only applicable for modern day regular meat production. You didn’t even fucking try.

>>2877665
because taking plants and turning them into fake meat just adds a bunch of unnecessary processing steps. why would i eat shitty imitation sausages made out of plant protein when I could just eat peas?

>>2877696
>because taking plants and turning them into fake meat just adds a bunch of unnecessary processing steps.
We are talking about lab grown products, not highly processed plant based imitation products. Also, not every sort of imitation product has to be cost intensive or even highly processed you know?

This video is the second part of a discussion between John Bellamy Foster and Lynn Fries on Marx’s analysis of the dialectics of society and nature. One of Marx’s concerns was how manufacturers would extract soil nutrients, such as nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, use them to make products like fiber, and not return the chemicals to the soil but instead generate pollution. And then the clever capitalists would import guano to make synthetic fertilizers to restore the productivity of farmland.

>>2877709
lab grown meat is even stupider.

>>2881170
so what then?

So there’s this channel I watch, Fat Electrician. He does military history and gun stuff but I also watch him because I’m fascinated by the worldview of the average American conservative and it is genuinely bizarre sometimes.

He made a video about ACs where he basically argued that everyone should just buy one and that Europeans are stupid and too proud for not having air conditioning. And it’s like, do these people genuinely not understand what is happening? The rise in extreme heat has been so sudden that a lot of countries simply aren’t equipped for it. Weather that used to be considered an extreme once in a generation heatwave is increasingly becoming the fucking norm.
The UK has gone through months of barely any rain while temperatures have been hitting 30–40°C for days on end. Infrastructure, housing and entire societies that were never designed for this kind of heat are suddenly being forced to deal with it. You can’t just scream “BUY AN AIR CONDITIONER” and pretend that solves the problem.

And what genuinely pisses me off is the refusal to even acknowledge the existence of climate change. They’ll look directly at increasingly extreme weather and somehow turn it into a story about how everyone else is just weak or stupid. This isn’t some fringe opinion either, this kind of denial has been mainstream among Republican lawmakers for decades. It’s honestly an absolutely fucking moronic worldview.

>>2893138
why are we concerned about coastal flooding? just sell your house and move

>>2893146
OMG, the Hollywood movie directed by a guy with the dumbest critiques of capitalism presented it in a bad way, so it must be wrong.

>>2893138
Haven't watched the video, but ppl knew about climate change since the 70s. I feel like 50 years for urban planning to think about AC is plenty of time. I am sure at least the Euro porkies have AC.

>>2895211
>but ppl knew about climate change since the 70s
No it was basically knowledge since 1880s tbh

But besides that, do you think ACs just fall out of the skies? you think you can just equip millions of homes within a few years with ACs? And besides this whole AC conversation is clearly completely astroturfed by industries and their goons and you are rhe biggest fucking tool ever if you fall for it

I'm in the middle east bros
How fucked am I?

>>2862788
Why is the mad max scenario not realistic?

>>2895211
You can't AC your way out of climate change my scientifically illiterate friend.

>>2895331
As much as pretty much everyone else

>>2895331
>>2895932
I mean, at least you’re going to get some Gulfoif to start some geoengineering project to deal with the heat and then we’ll see what happens next, for better or worse.

>>2895331
Tell your wealthy government to start geoengineering now

>>2896175
So they can collapse the food chains faster? No thanks.

>>2895211
>ppl knew about climate change since the 70s.
greenhouse gas effect was known in 1890s

Those videos of the Nepal floods are genuinely fucking horrifying. Is that's how it's gonna be for everyone now that sea levels are rising?

>>2903765
Kinda

we've had since before marx published capital volume 1 to deal with this problem. pic 1 was written in 1856. pic 2 shows it was common enough knowledge to be written about in popular mechanics in 1912.

The existence of the greenhouse effect, while not named as such, was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier.[2] The argument and the evidence were further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838. In 1856 Eunice Newton Foote demonstrated that the warming effect of the sun is greater for air with water vapour than for dry air, and the effect is even greater with carbon dioxide. The effect was more fully quantified by Svante Arrhenius in 1896, who made the first quantitative prediction of global warming due to a hypothetical doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide. In the 1960s, the evidence for the warming effect of carbon dioxide gas became increasingly convincing. Scientists also discovered that human activities that generated atmospheric aerosols (e.g., air pollution) could have cooling effects as well (later referred to as global dimming). Other theories for the causes of global warming were also proposed, involving forces from volcanism to solar variation. During the 1970s, scientific understanding of global warming greatly increased.

By the 1990s, as the result of improving the accuracy of computer models and observational work confirming the Milankovitch theory of the ice ages, a consensus position formed. It became clear that greenhouse gases were deeply involved in most climate changes and human-caused emissions were bringing discernible global warming.

europe now has gritty and realistic graphics

>>2903877
thankfully we've had shitloads of rain the last couple days so it might come back a little bit

>>2903878
Yeah my lawn has resuscitated itself. I think picrel has a point though.

>>2903877
Gonna get grittier

>>2903877
first pic is from 2022

>>2903883
Definitely it would be nice to have more parks that aren't just flat grass, shame this is the reason though.

>>2903926
Ngl does make it harder to picnic. Britons have a culture of sitting on any available green space the moment the first sunny day comes out in late april/may. I've had a few europeans point out to me how it was a culture shock first time they came here.

>>2903883
Britain's green pastures and parks turn brown as drought grips country
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-08/britain-green-pastures-turn-brown-amid-drought/107011800

Eesh. Next year is gonna be brutal.

The el nino might be one the most severe In centuries, reminder this will be an ongoing event for +2 years, on top of the ever growing warming, prepare for droughts and food shortages.

interestingly , current models and predictions seem to suggest that anthropic climate change is increasing the strength and rate of occurrence for the nino, although that still isn't really sure.

Shit is fucked yo, and the "middle classes" have once again swallowed oil propaganda willingly, thinking they will be able to adapt with some infrastructure changes and AC, completely wilfully ignorant on what a world of +3c is going to look like.

In the end climate kills us all

I can’t wait to starve and die with my gun in my hand

Damn. I applaud the valiant effort of le internationals to prevent this, but the fate is too strong. Fatalism justified and vindicated

I'm currently reading a song of ice and fire, in this story the geopolitical situation of the world keeps degenerating into wars with widespread destruction and massive economic impacts while the existential threat of a real long climatic event is menacing to extinguish life itself, so unrealistic

>>2904727
Stop reading, Song of Ice and Fire will never be finished, go read Malazan, is already finished.

>european far right still attacking climate proposals and shit
>they keep doing this even after the heatwave
well I guess we will die

>>2904776
Download bean books

The new CMIP7 ensemble
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-the-cmip7-emissions-scenarios-and-how-they-explore-future-climate-change

>>2912059
>The only meaningful way you can impact climate change is to overthrow the US government as quickly as possible
you are like a little baby. Consider…