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Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades: Study https://ground.news/article/earth-is-now-heating-up-twice-as-fast-as-in-previous-decades-study_63acf6Humanity heating planet faster than ever before, study findshttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/mar/06/humanity-heating-planet-faster-than-ever-before-study-findsMicroplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, at much higher levels than healthy tissues, study reveals https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260225001250.htmWas War with Iran Sparked by Water?https://erickeyser.substack.com/p/was-war-with-iran-sparked-by-water?r=1r05cx&triedRedirect=true&_src_ref=old.reddit.comThe Iran War Is Also a Climate Warhttps://www.thenation.com/article/environment/iran-war-climate-change/Microplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, study reveals The Billionaire Heist: Why the extraction of our 'labor energy' is leading us toward a global crisishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iri_xg4rj_k>>2732098It's physically not possible for people in the north to rely on solar or wind. We require heating in the winter, when the sun isn't out for long. Heating that can never be allowed to go out unless we want buildings to sustain heavy damage like pipes bursting. It's either nuclear or gas, there is no third option because not every part of the country has hydropower options either.
>>2732684The panels are useless half a year. Cloud cover also kills solar power production. It's awesome if you live in the desert but otherwise it just can't be used to power a modern society because modern society requires electricity to be available without fail all the time. Countries in the global south already use backup gas generators because grid failures are common and you just can't have no electricity for any amount of time. The effect even those minor grid failures have on life and work is murderous.
>>2748428Something like:
> FUCKFUCKFUCK > AAAAAAH> THE COST OF A LINNEN COAT WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOOOOOF >>2748479>either nuclear or gas,Gas is a fossil fuel and is a huge contributor to GHG, off the table, this whole idea that gas is a transition energy is stupid and criminal. Hang all gas salesmen.
That being said, would batteries be doable in the north? I have no idea.
>>2748519The point is that no transition will happen in a big part of the world if nuclear power generation isn't successful. Attacking nuclear makes no sense.
Service reliability is extremely important.
Even in the field as frivolous as website development, 99.9% uptime is where things start to become acceptable. You don't have a functioning website if it can just stop working for a week because there are clouds overhead. Electricity is infinitely more important than that. Heating is even more so.
>>2748479>Countries in the global south already use backup gas generators because grid failuresreason why gas giants (like iberdrola) were pushing so heavily for transition to renewables in latam and spain instead of nuclear power was precisely because of this. renewables were a means to further enroach gas dependency
>>2748519betteries become more and more shit as the load increases,so I would be surprised
it really sounds like nuclear and non nuclear are dead ends.
Are we doomed?
>>2749573>it really sounds like nuclear and non nuclear are dead ends>all energy sources are dead endsAre you stupid?
>>2749589well what else is there besides battery wind power, solar and nuclear.
Give me something that is feasiable in the next 20-30 years….
>>2749609>no argumentokay we are doomed
>>2749617haha benis :DDDDD
go into this thread
look inside
nuclear
-takes too long
-takes too long even in china
-requires a lot of funding that isnt easy to have
-would only become fast produced if current capitalist management didnt exist (which uh good luck getting rid of that in the short to mid term)
-smrs are a meme
renewables (solar, etc)
-inefficent
-requires oil to create
-baseload issues
-will have difficulty working in some environments
-etc etc
yeah pretty bleak
>>2724761by the time they die it will be because they no longer have wealth protecting them. when society becomes unsustainable, that includes the classes. we're abolishing class because we're abolishing life altogether.
>>2749968>look insideNo you didn’t
>>2752199Doomers truly are strange masochists
>>2749968The solution is
degrowth. Everyone, outside of some isolated pre-contact tribes, will have to take a hit in standard of living. No electricity at night. No Instapots. No wifi. Etc. Then we can heal the world.
>>2732098What do you think about Thorium though?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMSR-LF1I know it's not as world saving as the libertarian think tanks make it out to be, but is it at least more sustainable than uranium plants?
>>2752242You want to kill everyone through historical regression and extreme vulnerability to climate change. Fuck off.
>>2752258Plenty of progressive changes in modern history were bad.
>>2752242retard
>>2752354we have the technology to save the earth without significant impacts on quality of life, we ought to use it rather than moralize about some nonsensical anarcho-primitivist dystopia
>>2752209>No you didn’t a lot of the thread is nuclear take too long. And a lot of the other is renewable bad. And coping that if we somehow change the socio economic system nuclear gets built faster.
Wtf are you talking about anon
>>2748479>The panels are useless half a year.>uselessdo retards think "cloudy" means "no photons"? solar eclipses and night time are when solar panels are useless. a cloudy day they still pick up energy.
>>2752402>And a lot of the other is renewable badLong term pollution due to manufacturing is worse than nuclear power plants, yes. It’s still better than fossil fuels, and can still help keep the lights on when we do an energy transition to a nuclear based grid.
>And coping that if we somehow change the socio economic system nuclear gets built faster.I’m mean, is it really a cope though when one consider all the times work is either done poorly or doesn’t even get done at all thanks to the failures of monetary reward systems? Slaves and imprisoned forced labor typically are worse performers than more unshackled individuals. Is the wage slave really all that different?
>>2752414>Slaves and imprisoned forced labor typically are worse performers than more unshackled individuals. Is the wage slave really all that different?thats not what im calling cope. What im calling cope is somehow changing the socio economic system before climate change goes critical.
Im really cynical at this point of the potential success of socialist revolutions before climate change goes critical. We dont have a lot of time (its gonna get real bad in 20 years)
Theres also a big chance its just gonna be fascism in the west or other countries (japan). Or just flat out warlordism.
> and can still help keep the lights on when we do an energy transition to a nuclear based grid. True but im seeing some people point out that renewables wont be enough. That due to its inefficiences, use of oil and etc, it wont be enough for the transition to a nuclear based grid. And that due to capitalist management we are too focused on renewables instead of investing a lot in nuclear. So the transition to nuclear would be too slow.
Can you present me some hopium on this. I really need it
>>2752432>thats not what im calling cope. What im calling cope is somehow changing the socio economic system before climate change goes critical. Don’t be a revolutionary defeatist. You won’t get anywhere with that mindset.
>Theres also a big chance its just gonna be fascism in the west or other countries Already happened
>True but I'm seeing some people point out that renewables wont be enoughIt won’t be, but it will be good enough for an energy transition
>That due to its inefficiences, use of oil and etc, it wont be enough for the transition to a nuclear based gridNo one is saying that. It’s not good by itself indefinitely. It is good for a brief amount of time.
>Can you present me some hopium on this. I really need itHere’s some hopium: we’re not dead yet. You don’t need to stress about the worst possibility just yet. We’ll know if we’re fucked or not when we get there. Until then, focus on making sure we have a chance in the first place to improve our situations. That is the most important thing we can do right now. No pitying yourself when you haven’t even done anything yet.
>>2752465>Until then, focus on making sure we have a chance in the first place to improve our situations. That is the most important thing we can do right now. No pitying yourself when you haven’t even done anything yet.maybe you are right. I mean the other option is just pointless doomerism aka I guess I will just die.
>>2752471>aka I guess I will just die.Basically that
ok what do i need to learn. fuck. three sisters? degrowth? water production systems?
>>2752705>three sistersMaybe, but I would suggest looking into indoor agriculture
>degrowthUnderstanding how capital forces society to chase increasingly unrealistic goals in pursuit of infinite growth would be good
>water production systems?Including desalination, absolutely.
It is funny to think that environmentalism basically ceased to exist in the mainstream media as soon as NATO admitted to the need to wage the cold war for US hegemony.
There was a funny period at the start of the RF invading Ukraine where the EU fags talked like oil was over and they were totally going to go fully green(apparently natural gas is "green" since 2026 in their rules) and oil was the leftovers for the unenlightened jungle dwelling brutes. "Net Zero" BS and all that.
Then China turns out has been massively investing in those and EVs for strategic reasons. Turns out that just as Russia invented war in Feb-2022, China invented imperialism right about that time along with Russia.
The garden, gotta "de-risk" (read:self-sanction) from another US rival. And begin drafting trillions in military expansion and wait… are they reopening the coal plants? Are they clamoring for the oh-so-scawwwy nuclear power again? Yes, yes they are.
Global war for dominance first, then, environmentalism maybe for the survivors. Alas the tragedy being, not only will it be too late, but the profit incentive will not point to efficient strategic long term planning, with a whole planet to loot again for the winner.
Neoliberalism with wasteland characteristics by 2050.
>>2752713uhh any resources, youtubers etc? can just give me a general pointer.
since it's all over shouldn't we just be aiming to survive instead?
>>2752971Communism is when humanity's struggle for life truly begins.
>>2752736I don’t think you’ll need too much of anything that will be hard to find. At least not in terms of the individual concepts.
For degrowth, the video provided is pretty good at explaining the concept. I would suggest looking anything related to enshittification, it’s very related to the subject. And generally, you’ll find plenty of the subject, but I would advise being cautious about what information you find. It’s been quite misconstrued by people invested in the current mode of production.
As for everything else, you’ll find the resources in a similar manner. Plenty of educational resources online. Like these two links:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/utm/vertical-farming-no-longer-a-futuristic-concept/https://www.usgs.gov/water-science-school/science/desalination#overviewAs for putting these concepts together, that’s a bit more difficult. I’m going to have to think that introduction over for a bit.
>>2753267>>2752736Alright. Read this article:
https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/third-place-mall-climate-shelter And then go research Paolo Soleri, the inner workings of underground shelters, and habitation in space. That should give you gist of enclosed habitation.
Here’s a bonus link for fun:
https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacecolony.php >>2748479uygha, invent electrical wires already.
And if you're talking "Chicago" north, watch vidrel
>>2752762>picit takes 10 calories of plant matter to raise 1 calorie of beef on average
>More solar energy falls on the Earth in a day than global civilization uses in a year but we couldn't figure it out because too many people wanted to be streamers instead of STEMlords.truke
>>2752762While it's true that Earth receives far more (unused) solar energy in a day than humanity uses in a year, you suggested also that this gap exists because people chose nontechnical paths. I disagree. The real barriers are infrastructure, storage, economics, and policy rather than a lack of STEM talent. One might argue we should use solar energy immediately instead of storing it, which aligns with real strategies like demand shifting and addressing the duck curve. However, because of intermittency and the mismatch between when energy is produced and when it is needed, storage and backup systems are still necessary. The most effective approach combines real time energy use, smarter demand timing, storage, and a mix of energy sources rather than relying on a single solution.
>>2757465Arent batteries a problem? Can they be reused? Otherwise we will run out of them. We need renewable batteries or some shit
>>2757842i think you can technically make a "renewable" battery but like even normal ones arent good enough right now i think so idk
>>2758060>just-in-time production of electricity isn't the whole problem that you can't do that ? I mean sure you can keep it low and then start up another gaz powerplant,but solar and wind aren't on you to open them up unless you're already making a surplus
>>2757842you can reuse batteries up to thousands of times, it's (mostly) a solved problem, the problem is you keep 80% of the battery's efficiency when recycled, so you have to add an additional 20% of the main element (lithium, or potentially something else)
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