/leftypol/'s most ignored general is back
Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades: Study https://ground.news/article/earth-is-now-heating-up-twice-as-fast-as-in-previous-decades-study_63acf6Humanity heating planet faster than ever before, study findshttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/mar/06/humanity-heating-planet-faster-than-ever-before-study-findsMicroplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, at much higher levels than healthy tissues, study reveals https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260225001250.htmWas War with Iran Sparked by Water?https://erickeyser.substack.com/p/was-war-with-iran-sparked-by-water?r=1r05cx&triedRedirect=true&_src_ref=old.reddit.comThe Iran War Is Also a Climate Warhttps://www.thenation.com/article/environment/iran-war-climate-change/Microplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, study reveals The Billionaire Heist: Why the extraction of our 'labor energy' is leading us toward a global crisishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iri_xg4rj_k>>2724691Because its le historically progressive.
>>2724691Bruh it 90 degrees in feburary here shits fucked
its so over
Kinda hard to care about progressing in life when you know we will probably be at 3degrees above baseline by 2035
>>2724749the fact that you think is just hard and not impossible is crazy to me
Blue ocean event this year or next?
>>2724691It's because you had to take a shower and live in a spacious house, you will sleep in the bed you made.
>>2724724>It's so overIt's over, over
RECYCLE NOW
>>2724884It's actually about cancelling third world rampant pollution, but greta will nver get it. Her eyes are stars of remphan.
Where has she been?
>>2724969She sailed for 40 days to deliver rice to gaza, A good break is probably in order.
jews we're doing death threats on here, she's only 12-16 yrs old I think.
>>2724991> gardenI hope it's large enough to offset your carbon foot print
pro tip: it's not.
get in the pit.
I love how everyone here is just shitposting because we all know theres nothing stopping climate change at this point
>>2725001You want to start a war about it?
Didn't think so. Shut up.
A dreamed some years ago that a massive wave was coming to swallow the whole world. I remember thinking inside the dream
>maybe there's something meaningful about being born just in time for the end of the world
With time I've come to feel like that dream was prophetic.
>>2724978she's 20 something now. she started her climate activism when she was like 13 though back in the 2010s.
>>2725063Okay. She's 26 then , she still needs a break from jews. We all do.
>>2725073It's wierd that that this voting paradigm is pushed here, that everyone votes for everything that happens. That's clearly not the case, voting does nothing.
>>2724761>At least the rich people will die too.Only the petty bourgeoisie and labour aristocats at best
Maybe their data centres won't be able to take the heat, if we're lucky
>>2725076>voting paradigmI don't see any exhortation to voot, just adventure
>>2725079>Only the petty bourgeoisie and labour aristocats at bestdepends how bad climate change will be. If its super bad…..well those bunkers will just be fancy coffins.
(the bunkers cant last without modern supply chains)
>>2725082i'm pretty sure they can just create local production of some kind to fill up the deficits in a global supply chain, either way though i doubt them and their prioritized workers are gonna be the last men and women of earth
>>2725092>It's already happenedWow.
>i'm pretty sure they can just create local production of some kind to fill up the deficits in a global supply chain, either way though i doubt them and their prioritized workers are gonna be the last men and women of earth
Yeah but in a super bad scenario they wont be able to fulfill all. At most they will only be able to fulfill some, since a lot of resources arent located in one area. So they will be eventually fucked.
>either way though i doubt them and their prioritized workers are gonna be the last men and women of earth
Depends how bad it gets but yes thats a fair possibility
>>2725099
>Yeah but in a super bad scenario they wont be able to fulfil all. At most they will only be able to fufill some, since a lot of resources arent located in one area. So they will be eventually fucked.
well as long as they purchase a large supply of materials and implement a recycling system of some kind i think they could hold out for a while, at least until it's time to "return to the surface", though they would almost certainly be in a long term shortage until that happens, they'd basically have to build an underground city for this to be practical
>Depends how bad it gets but yes thats a fair possibility
i think a lot of the super-doomer perspectives on climate change imagine a worse case scenario for it, the realistic option is that oil power will inevitably be phased out since it's unreliable, expensive and useless (same with what happened to coal power for the most part) and you'll get other alternatives, reducing the damage of climate change, but at the same time it's already in now so you'll still see a lot of damage, just not apocalyptic damage
>>2725107>well as long as they purchase a large supply of materials and implement a recycling system of some kind i think they could hold out for a while, at least until it's time to "return to the surface", though they would almost certainly be in a long term shortage until that happens, they'd basically have to build an underground city for this to be practicalAlso once again this depends how bad it is. If its super bad then the time for earth to recover is gonna take a long ass time. Theres a decent argument to be made that it would be too long for any survival that way.
Also the rich and their workers might just end up killing each other, during that process…
>i think a lot of the super-doomer perspectives on climate change imagine a worse case scenario for it, the realistic option is that oil power will inevitably be phased out since it's unreliable, expensive and useless (same with what happened to coal power for the most part) and you'll get other alternatives, reducing the damage of climate change, but at the same time it's already in now so you'll still see a lot of damage, just not apocalyptic damagethat is fair
Really? Well le icp better kill themselves then since le revolution is meaningless now.
rightoids complaining about the uk being like 1.5% African or whatever are gonna do their collective nuts when they witness the sheer magnitude of third-world migration caused by the water wars and this time they wont be able to blame 'the left'
>>2725161europe is going to go full fascist
>>2725161Why do you think that migration will take place? Machine guns are a thing and no one is shy to use them when needed. Don't get me wrong, capital loves desperate labor, but there is a point at which it's too much to be profitable. Any migration that happens today does because the government accepts it in modern times.
>>2724685I don't want to talk about it though…
>>2725179there is no escape
>>2725178so europe is going to go full mask off fascist?
grim times ahead
good thread
>>2724685sometimes i think it would probably just be better to kill myself before this all happens, i will probably die of plastic/covid cancer soon anyway and it is not like there will be much of a communist movement in my lifetime
Communism will be built from the debris as a scavenger society, industrial society is completely doomed.
>>2725238Covid was planned so normies would depend on the government more. Ecocide is a danger to humanity and is complete suicide
Reminder that nuclear power is largely a scam
>>2725178I know people shit their pants about that here all the time because muh europe should increase their population by 2x and explode because of their original sin or something,but what's those guys argument going to be for the MASSIVE Indian wave that will try going to china ? is it gonna be based when they stop them at the frontier too ?
>Microplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, at much higher levels than healthy tissues, study reveals
>tumors act as "biological sinks" that trap circulating particles. Although it might seem counterintuitive, tumors often have abnormal, leaky, and disorganized vasculature, which allows foreign particles to enter and accumulate, while their intense metabolism and inflammatory environment prevent clearance.
>>2725415It's almost like tumors are a biological reaction to a toxic environment!
Either way, its still awful, but at this point, microplastics are literally everywhere, in the water, food, animals, air and soil. At this point all we can do is minimize our intake and maximize excretion rate of the toxins
>>2725505>At this point all we can do is minimize our intake and maximize excretion rate of the toxinsWould require major transformations of society for this to even be possible.
once every cell in the human body is replaced with microplastic particles we will all get to live for a thousand years in a landfill
>>2725379Nuclear is ok but way too hyped up by online losers
>>2725573Honestly, electricity is kinda mid tbh fam
>>2725601coal is sussier no cap
i like nuclear im not a redditor or anything i just think its cool
>>2725374>Covid was planned so normies would depend on the government more. Ecocide is a danger to humanity and is complete suicideit's even stupider than that. covid was planned in fort detrick to stir up anti chinese hatred.
>>2725625so it is over for good this time?
>>2725625I propose barbarous communism then.
I haven't eaten meat in 6 years other then fish
how bad is my footprint
>>2725649Are you catching the fish with your bare hands?
>>2725652not him, but what does it matter? individual consumption habits are completely irrelevant. unless you change average consumption habits it's just symbolic.
>an ocean is made of dropsyeah and you have to change the average drop not the individual drop to change the ocean
>>2725682>It was joke, I was being hyperbolic. It really doesn't matter if one person out of a hundred is eating nothing but fish rather than beef.it's hard to tell. i've actually run into people IRL who unironically think that way. i had a liberal supervisor who drew a hybrid for that reason. he kept insisting individual choices is all we have and we can't make others do anything.
>>2725701>drew drove, sleep deprived
>>2725379>>2725408the first guy is right. It takes a long ass time to develop nuclear plants.
We could use that time to develop renewables instead.
>>2725625but what about primitive communism though
>>2725923>renewables instead.other renewables such as wind and solar
>>2725923Aren't solar panels made from oil derivatives?
>>2726063yes but we dont exactly have time to build a lot of nuclear power plants. It takes in general over 7 years to build and complete one.
we dont have that amount of time. (climate change is getting bad now) Meanwhile solar is booming, in terms of production.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/668764/annual-solar-module-manufacturing-globally/?srsltid=AfmBOoobyprIDLcMavAZ-WXltFiltgx5liah2OLDzYq5tDVwg5PYvMWl >>2726286What we looking at? Red traces are forecast extrapolations, multiple simulations from a climatological model called "System 5"? Explanation please
>>2726304Read the fucking text on the image you dumbass
>>2726306>assuming scientific literacy on leftychud.orgbold of you
>>2726304The graph forecasts a strong likelihood of a significant El Niño in 2026, with considerable uncertainty in its exact strength, as shown by the wide range of predicted SST anomalies.
>>2726068>It takes in general over 7 years to build and complete one.The fuck are you talking about? Small Modular Reactors take 3-4 years maximum, a full-blown VVER-1200 reactor takes 5 years, if construction isn't interrupted by something. The only reason the Turkish one is taking longer is because of political bullshit, which affects Solar Panels too.
Solar Power is massively inefficient because innovations that increase efficiency of power conversion have been ignored. Wind Mills have environmental impacts of their own, from being a bird hazard to causing vibrations in the earth that over time kill plants and drive away animals, not to mention the reliance on sun and wind means auxiliary (conventional) power is used on them, meaning that there's more gas and coal spent on this than is worth it. Solar and Wind power should be supplementary to nuclear power. Additionally; Hydrogen Cells and similar systems are a thing.
>We don't have that amount of timeWe didn't have that amount of time over 2 decades ago FFS. These things are already set into motion because of positive feedback loops, even if I snapped my fingers and a thousand nuclear power plants with the perfect excess of energy production appeared and integrated into societal infrastructure and simultaneously shut down every diesel or coal electricity plant the impact on the environment will not reverse itself for at least a few years, and temperature-wise it'll take decades.
>>2726306>>2726307I know what SST anomaly is midwit
I am asking about the methodology and provenance of the red traces
>>2726310iaea reports. If we look at iaea reports the average nuclear reactor takes 6-8 years to build.
Adding in licensing financing contracting and planning it takes 10-15 years to be fully operational
(i wasnt thinking about smrs though so thats something I need to check)
> simultaneously shut down every diesel or coal electricity plant the impact on the environment will not reverse itself for at least a few years, and temperature-wise it'll take decades.I was thinking about minimizing the damage instead of reversing it. We cant stop it but we can minimiize it. But how much we minimize depends on how much we can build alt energy sources quickly/
>>2726308if you really cared you would've typed that in the first place instead of using it as an opportunity for doing obvious stem chud self-aggrandizement like a redditor
>>2726323Rosatom built several in less than 5 years in various parts of Russia and large ones in 5 years.
>licensing financing contracting and planning part of which is just systemic inefficiency which technically can be smoothed out. Not to mention countries like Russia and China tend to have some flexibility and innovation in their nuclear work.
>minimizing the damage instead of reversing it. Anything can 'minimize' damage, but the intent is to reverse the damage. minimizing it is what the Paris Accords did and that was inefficient and ineffective. It's a systemic problem. Alternate forms of energy would be much faster if Big Oil wasn't meddling. The USSR, for all its oil usage, focused a lot on nuclear independency for it's cities, so more oil could be exported or spent on things that aren't fueling power-stations.
Furthermore on top of alternate energy what the planet needs is a comprehensive environmental restoration and cohabitation program like Stalin's Great Environmental Plan (see my Wiki article):
https://leftypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Great_Plan_for_the_Transformation_of_Nature The immediate impact would be the lowering of global temperatures, reduction of global CO2 and increase of O2 (improving air quality) as well as keeping land fertile, reducing runoff, reducing the need for fertilizers, capturing moisture and so on.
>>2726442I will read these, I am intrigued.
>>2726323>>2726442>>2726455There is no “reversing the damage”. Anyone one who says otherwise is going to be an environmental story telling skeleton, guaranteed. Minimization and adaptation are your only options period.
>>2725923>>2726068The first guy is wrong and probably a hippie of some sorts. And if we don’t have that amount of time, we’re already dead.
Also,
>>2726310what this guy said:
>>2726476 (edited and reposted)
>. And if we don’t have that amount of time, we’re already deadafter checking smrs somewhat….
Then we are dead because smrs havent been produced in scale yet or even commercialized in most areas. They dont even exist in most areas
meanwhile average nuclear plant construction and eventual full operation takes 10-15 years, as seen in iaea reports. Even if there are some exceptions to this rule.
Solar is the main thing thats expirencing a boom in production. If this can not save us then we are dead. (check image)
>>2726442>Rosatom built several in less than 5 years in various parts of Russia and large ones in 5 years. This is a semi-myth. The nuclear power plants that rosatom built either took 8-12 years to make or were nuclear power plants that already had preexisting infrastructure or development already (pre existing soviet era development or etc). If you add up the preexisting infrastructure and development, then the "quickly built" nuclear power plant still took over 8 years to be built
>part of which is just systemic inefficiency which technically can be smoothed out. Not to mention countries like Russia and China tend to have some flexibility and innovation in their nuclear work. idealy yes but not always. And even then russia and china still take a while. The total average time to construct a nuclear power plant and make it fully operational in china is……10 years.
so is it over for communism since the world is ending? id like to at least live a full life that isn't cut short by dehydration
>>2726509>Solar is the main thing thats expirencing a boom in production.Because capitalism is stupid and can’t diversify for shit. It’s cheapness will doom us all if not overcome. All three renewables will require ramped up production to secure energy supply and stability.
<If this can not save us then we are deadIf you can’t afford to build nuclear plants, then it means you also can’t afford to build any sort of climate infrastructure period. Which means no climate adaptive cities protected from the now ever more toxic atmosphere. Which means everyone suffocates within fifty years if they don’t die from everything else.
So yes, you are dead. So you better hope your timing is wrong.
>>2726669>So yes, you are dead. So you better hope your timing is wrong.grim. well I hope im wrong then.
>>2726669how come earths air is going to become unbreathable in 50 years?
>>2726634No, humanity will survive, life will adapt. There is no easy end, no poetic human extinction. You may die, but we all do.
>Was War with Iran Sparked by Water?
No.
>>2726832what should i even do then, im scared of death, i dont want to kill myself
>>2727057Best thing you can do right now is ensure that the global reign of capital is ended swiftly, for the interests of global capital lie firmly in humanity’s genocide rather than it’s progression. The bourgeoisie wish to see to it that proletariat are wiped out, save for their most loyal of slaves and machines. They must be stopped first if there is to be any prospect of projects that could save humanity from climate armageddon. Else they will continue to waste resources on our slaughter and their worthless decadences.
>>2727107but if it is really over by 2075 then its actually over, i cannot defeat capitalism in 50 years, and even if we did, we would all die shortly after
i dont want to die
if that is the only solution, then i dont think there's much at all that i can do
>>2727117>i cannot defeat capitalism in 50 yearsOnly way out of this situation unfortunately. If we tried anything else, the bourgeois would stop us.
Climate demoralisers get fucked
>>2727128but how could that even result in a scenario where we live? genuinely
i think if global revolution happened in 25 years we would still be dead at that point, as an anon posted it takes like 10 years for stuff like nuclear power plants to come online
so what, we die as revolutionaries? i just want to live anon, i just care about living, and if there is ni future for humanity im not sure i care that much about what happens past my life
>>2727136>but how could that even result in a scenario where we live? genuinelyIt would give you the chance to potentially live. You won’t be able to get any done under the thumb of the bourgeoisie. If you want to survive, they would have to go first.
>i think if global revolution happened in 25 years we would still be dead at that point, as an anon posted it takes like 10 years for stuff like nuclear power plants to come onlineI wouldn’t be too worried about the booting up of nuclear power plants. Solar and wind could be utilized in the meantime, along with potentially other energy sources. I would be more concerned about urban development and nutritional sources. Environmental collapse will damage the nutrient cycle, and we will have to find artificial means of integrating it directly into urban centers. And our urban areas are not simply not built in the slightest for our new climate. As they are, they will all become uninhabitable major heat zones unsuitable for human life. They will need to be heavily revamped into or entirely replaced by cities that can contain their own significantly more pleasant artificial contained climates.
>and if there is ni future for humanity im not sure i care that much about what happens past my lifeYou should. Because what’s happening past your life will make it a living hell.
>>2726058pollution is global and has global consequences even of the westoids are responsible for a plurality of it. also the westoids control the fate of the world. sorry for spoiling your moment of snarky zen
>>2726840the name you rolled is poetic
>>2727183>muh westoidsa single rich person from the """""""""third world""""""""" has done more damage than countless of the poorest ""westoids"" combined lol
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaires-emit-more-carbon-pollution-90-minutes-average-person-does-lifetime >>2727181but what about me anon? me personally? i live in the united states of treats so until we literally cant breathe theres not gonna be any movement
i as a single person want to survive at least
>I wouldn’t be too worried about the booting up of nuclear power plants. Solar and wind could be utilized in the meantimebut anon said theyre still reliant on fossil fuels so it wouldnt help much if its not nuclear
what i have gleamed is
>cities will become hell on earthso i should probably not be near any cities
>You should [care about the future]. Because what’s happening past your life will make it a living hell.but i cant influence how the climate and air and everything will be in my lifetime, all i can care about is myself, because if i dont i prioritize myself over humanity i will die to air toxicity
>>2727195>i live in the united states of treatsIf treats are the problem, take the treats
>so it wouldnt help much if its not nuclearFor energy transition, it will do.
>so i should probably not be near any citiesThe exact opposite actually, unless it’s a well constructed, very self sufficient bunker. And even then, I would still suggest trying to make the city work for you.
>but i cant influence how the climate and air and everything will be in my lifetime Not individually.
>because if i dont i prioritize myself over humanity i will die to air toxicityIf you prioritize yourself over everything else, you WILL die from air toxicity or experience wet bulb temperatures. Survival will have to be a large scale effort.
>>2724884>>2727211lmao recycling is like the environmentalist version of electoralism
>>2727203>suicide for terrorismno thank you anon im trying to live not die
>For energy transition, it will do.i dont think we're capable of producing that much in time and solar/wind are being gutted here im pretty sure
>I would still suggest trying to make the city work for you.i like cities but i dont think id like extremely hot hell cities like we will have in the future
>If you prioritize yourself over everything else, you WILL die from air toxicity or experience wet bulb temperatures. Survival will have to be a large scale effort.so the best thing would be living in some sort of northern city due to lethal future temperatures in most of treatland? i just dont know how anybody could do anything when theres so much state repression already, and the military wont defect or anything because theres no draft and they get infinite treats
theres not even any communist anything in this country so how am i supposed to do ANYTHING? dance in an inflatable frog costume like everyone else does?
> Mother bird protects it's eggbruh ;-;
>>2727225if cities are gonna be "hell on earth" what makes you think some rural shitholes are gonna be any better. unless youre rich af, obviously
>>2727227>if cities are gonna be "hell on earth" what makes you think some rural shitholes are gonna be any better.because the cities will trap enough heat to be uninhabitable?
>>2727225>suicide for terrorismNot what I am suggesting
>i dont think we're capable of producing that much in time and solar/wind are being gutted here im pretty sureWe may be able to pull it off with competent energy management, but it will be stressful.
>i like cities but i dont think id like extremely hot hell cities like we will have in the futureYour alternatives will either be wandering the rural wastes with no possibility of protection in sight, or trekking out to a bunker that most likely does not want you.
>so the best thing would be living in some sort of northern city due to lethal future temperatures in most of treatland?The best thing would be living in self contained city in Antarctica that currently does not exist, and living off the ice and the Antarctic earth that is potentially rich in resources. That is the only place I could think of that would get close to a “climate haven”.
>just dont know how anybody could do anything when theres so much state repression already, and the military wont defect or anything because theres no draft and they get infinite treats>theres not even any communist anything in this country so how am i supposed to do ANYTHING? dance in an inflatable frog costume like everyone else does?You’ll have to figure something out or you are screwed. That is the best I can say on that unfortunately.
>>2727230Cities may offer potential places of protection that rural areas generally do not offer.
>>2727241>We may be able to pull it off with competent energy management, so essentially, it is not happening
>Your alternatives will either be wandering the rural wastes with no possibility of protection in sight, or trekking out to a bunker that most likely does not want you.so it is death in both scenarios then
>The best thing would be living in self contained city in Antarctica that currently does not exist, i dont think this will happen in my lifetime and if it does i will certainly not be allowed in as a simple prole
>You’ll have to figure something outif thats really all there is then i guess i should just give up and try to become a rural hermit in a dense alaskan forest or something then, because its over
>cities may offer protectionuntil we all run out of water and get heat stroke
what will you be doing anon? i think after this conversation i will probably just try to survive on my own or with someone else far away, see if i can get lucky and not get cancer or something, since that probably wont even be treated in the future anyway..
>>2727262>until we all run out of water and get heat strokeoh yeah and backwards rural zones wont have this problem because uuhhhhhhhhh m, ̇
>>2727275well i dunno i figure northern alaska has ice and probably a lot of unused water
>>2727262>so essentially, it is not happeningNot under liberal management
>so it is death in both scenarios thenPretty much
>i dont think this will happen in my lifetimeBetter hope it does
>and if it does i will certainly not be allowed in as a simple proleIf it does, it would most likely have to be a communist project. The bourgeois are more interested in private bunkers and immortality than large scale enduring communities. And even if the proletariat doesn’t somehow panic over such a project happening, other rival bourgeois may seek to claim such project for themselves.
>try to become a rural hermitWouldn’t suggest this either. It’s not exactly a situation where you can just run off into the woods for the rest of your days.
>until we all run out of water and get heat strokeThe rural areas will likely be more susceptible to water shortages.
>think after this conversation i will probably just try to survive on my own or with someone else far away>well i dunno i figure northern alaska has ice and probably a lot of unused waterWould not suggest doing that. The environmental strain will be too great to deal with by yourself.
https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2025/rusting-rivers-assessing-the-causes-and-consequences-in-alaska-and-across-the-arctic/>what will you be doing anon?Sticking close to urban areas, looking for opportunity, and preparing myself for the inevitable in what ever for it takes. There seems to be a bit of an uptick in community engagement around me, so I may poke around and see if anything positive comes from that.
>>2727296well, er, i guess ill just neet it out then and collect the treats i can, once life becomes unbearable ill euthanize myself, at least that way i can be sort of happy
>>2727309>well, er, i guess ill just neet it out then and collect the treatsAn alright enough idea until you either figure out something or until something happens.
>ill euthanize myselfWould not suggest this. Dying is never pleasant or easy. Focus on living instead.
>>2727314i dont think ill bother with the whole doing anything bit, theres not much point it seems
>Dying is never pleasant or easy. Focus on living instead.at some point, death will become the better option, maybe the burgeoise will give us those euthanasia facilities like in The King in Yellow, that way it can be a nice experience
>>2727325>theres not much point it seemsThe potential for survival would be the point of it. And if not that, at least creating comfort before the end.
>maybe the burgeoise will give us those euthanasia facilities like in The King in YellowThe bourgeoisie are simultaneously both too cheap and too decadent for that. They’ll just go right back to their bombing habits and call it a day.
>>2727338well, i guess suicide is better than bombing
its too bad thar humanity just wasnt cut out for communisn in the end, i bet it wouldve been comfy
>>2727344>its too bad thar humanity just wasnt cut out for communisn in the endIt won’t be over till it is over. Just keep the struggle going, and we may find a way out of this despite the odds.
>>2727352well it doesnt really seem like it anon, do you have any advice on how to stop caring about any of this stuff anyway? i guess i usually end up just crying all day if i dont
>>2727354>do you have any advice on how to stop caring about any of this stuff anyway?Nope. You don’t stop caring about it. You just do the best you can do, try to enjoy the positive things in your life, and hope for the best with properly adjusted expectations.
>>2727368what about drugs like weed or something i heard that can help with stuff like this, its legal here
>>2727352I have faith in black bears, they’re the only large mammal that has not only survived the Holocene extinction but thrived in all variety of human made infrastructure
>>2727377i heard it does give you dementia though, i dont really want that but the only way to prevent it is to be happy, relaxed, and social which im not good at
i dunno anon, can you just change your brain to be permanently relaxed and happy somehow?
>>2727401>i dunno anon, can you just change your brain to be permanently relaxed and happy somehow?An exceptional state of mind like that would probably require an exceptional lifestyle to go along with it in order to sustain it. Realistically in current times? No. Especially if your genealogy is geared away from said state of mind.
>>2727410my genes are just more likely to be miserable and depressed and anxious all the time, but they all live into their 90s somehow
idk anon have you tried mushrooms or anything? i heard it can kinda rewire your brain somewhat
i also heard exercise and stuff makes you more resistant to toxic co2 air but i am scared of going outside so i dont get much exercise and probably get a lot of co2
>>2727416>idk anon have you tried mushrooms or anything?Me? No, I haven’t.
>i heard it can kinda rewire your brain somewhatTemporarily.
>i also heard exercise and stuff makes you more resistant to toxic co2 air it does.
>but i am scared of going outside so i dont get much exercise Hope you have enough space for indoor workouts. Usually what I do. Really only go outside for sun and fresh air.
>>2727424>temporarilyis it really only temporary? does it slowly go back to normal over the years or something?
>Hope you have enough space for indoor workouts. Usually what I do.im not even sure what an indoor workout would look like, is it very expensive? i dont have much of anything so theres plenty of free space i guess
>>2727426Yeah, it temporary. Still may be good for therapeutic effects though.
https://www.americanbrainfoundation.org/how-psychedelics-affect-the-brain/>im not even sure what an indoor workout would look like, is it very expensive?Depends on what you’re going for, but it can be relatively cheap. Plenty of second hand stuff out there too. Just stay from nordictrack.
>>2727446interesting, it says effects can linger for like 3 weeks but you hear a lot from people who say that they like took it and it cured their depression or anxiety or induced ego death or something and it didnt go away, whats the deal with that?
>Depends on what you’re going for, but it can be relatively cheap.cardio probably since i assume thats what helps vs co2 and it helps vs all the other heart killing shit we deal with
>>2727890Are you ready for the west coast heatwave.
Once again faster than expected
>>2725379 (me)
To develop on that in addition to what the other anon said about the shitty time frame for reactor building:
1) It's humongously expensive. Take for example Hinkley Point C which jumped from £18B to £49B, for that amount of cash the UK could have built three times the capacity needed by the country in solar. That's not even counting costs not factored in until that's some shit you really need to do like the 1 trillion dollar cleanups for INES level 7 incidents and the billions it costs to safely decommission a reactor. All of this is shouldered by the taxpayers and not the usually private utility companies making a buck on selling that electricity, which makes it scammy as fuck.
2) The nuclear lobby is basically a snake oil seller and always has been, to get those massive government subsidies they pretended at first that "it was too cheap to meter", while it actually turned out to be the most expensive form of electricity to produce. Now they are green washing it by pretending it's like the renewables because it doesn't emit any carbon. The problem with that is that of course it's that the massive pollution the uranium mines is offloaded to indigenous hinterlands or south world countries with little to no health or environmental oversight. (And because it's hard and costly to count the damage radiation is doing they can conveniently just pretend it doesn't exist!)
2b) Any issue pointed out with nuclear will be handwaved with "paper reactors", unproved technologies, blatantly uneconomical solutions. Not enough concentrated uranium to mine for ramping up nuclear? Just get it from the oceans somehow, solved! Or use those eye watering pricey breeders to make plutonium!!! Wait it's too expensive? Just make SMRs bro! (no matter that SMRs are even more expensive because things like security costs don't scale). Stop whining about plutonium proliferation risks dude just use very corrosive molten salt reactors I'm sure it'll be cheap to maintain!
2c) They will accuse a global cabal of hippies/oil execs (pick one I guess) of using their political power to write too much regulations and somehow making nuclear bad in the eyes of the stupid peasants who don't understand how things changed since they just threw the waste in the oceans and cut corners on safety, everything is perfect and transparent now (until the next 1 trillion dollar melt down where they will investigate themselves and find they finally corrected the issues this time).
3) About the time again, nuclear is pushed for this exact reason by OIL and GAS lobbies in Australia who is building a little too much of renewables, they know that from planning a plant to turning it on it will take a decade and a half on average. It's a delaying tactic and as such, a fucking corpo scam.
Nuclear is done, stop trying to push this shit, just build the fucking pv pannels, windmills and batteries or buy them from china.
>>2732048>It's humongously expensiveWe’re not capitalists/liberals
>The nuclear lobby is basically a snake oil seller and always has been, to get those massive government subsidies they pretended at first that "it was too cheap to meter", while it actually turned out to be the most expensive form of electricity to produce. We’re not capitalists/liberals, nor are we cheapskates who ignore long term benefits
>Now they are green washing it by pretending it's like the renewables because it doesn't emit any carbon. The problem with that is that of course it's that the massive pollution the uranium mines is offloaded to indigenous hinterlands or south world countries with little to no health or environmental oversight. (And because it's hard and costly to count the damage radiation is doing they can conveniently just pretend it doesn't exist!)This is a moot point when you factor in battery production.
>Any issue pointed out with nuclear will be handwaved with "paper reactors", unproved technologies, blatantly uneconomical solutionsAnd they would be right to do so.
>Not enough concentrated uranium to mine for ramping up nuclearThis isn’t a problem
>Wait it's too expensive?We’re not capitalists/liberals
>They will accuse a global cabal of hippies/oil execs (pick one I guess) of using their political power to write too much regulations and somehow making nuclear badAnd they would be correct to do so
>until the next 1 trillion dollar meltWe’re not capitalists/liberals
>It's a delaying tacticDon’t let it be
>Nuclear is doneIt is not.
>>2732073Hand waving cost issues because "I'm not a capitalist/liberal" is certainly a new one. To make it clear to you, in terms of land and energy use, supply chains, resource extraction, labor time and pollution nuclear doesn't make sense compared to renewables, which somewhat translates into capital costs in our current mode of production.
>battery production.You don't need to bury the batteries 500m underground for 100000 years when you're done with them, you recycle 100% of them. Same for pv panels. Lithium mining isn't hidden behind a nuclear secrecy screen either, and we can actually get the sodium from oceans unlike uranium.
>This isn’t a problemThis is a problem because we used most of the highly concentrated uranium deposits already, which means the more nuclear we do the more land and energy we need to use to extract uranium from low concentration deposits.
>And they would be correct to do solol
>It is not.It is, picrel is the country building the most nuclear plants in the world. And they are progressively changing their plans to make less now that renewables so utterly won.
Something to add is that poor southern countries will usually never see a watt of nuclear energy, but they are already getting those pvs and batteries. It's something to think about.
>>2732098total solarchad victory
total windchad victory
total fossilshill death
total nuke cuck reeducation
thank you based anon
>>2732098>doesn't make sense compared to renewablesYour previous analysis was based entirely on capitalist exchange. There is not a single material why I shouldn’t build a nuclear plant. They may cost more initially, but I will be getting a lot more out of them in longtime, and they fill niches that more battery reliant sources such as solar and wind don’t.
>You don't need to bury the batteries 500m underground for 100000 yearsYou exaggerate the so called terribleness of nuclear waste storage.
>you recycle 100% of them. Same for pv panelsYou can do that with nuclear waste.
>Lithium mining isn't hidden behind a nuclear secrecy screen eitherit certainly tries to
>and we can actually get the sodium from oceans unlike uranium.>Any issue pointed out with nuclear will be handwaved with "paper reactors", unproved technologies, blatantly uneconomical solutions>This is a problemThis isn’t a problem
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/sufficient-uranium-resources-exist-however-investments-needed-to-sustain-high-nuclear-energy-growth>picrel is the country building the most nuclear plants in the worldThey were competent where America was not
>And they are progressively changing their plans to make less Making less is not phasing out
>Something to add is that poor southern countries will usually never see a watt of nuclear energyWonder why
>>2732104Shut up yogurt cuck
>>2732124>You exaggerate the so called terribleness of nuclear waste storage. The only sound project in the world that was really successfully completed (well, almost since it's supposed to finish this year, and in 70+ years of operating nuclear plants!) is Onkalo in Finland and it's 450m deep so I was barely exaggerating on that, and the 100000 years figure is the lifespan of the containers before they leak, after that who cares I guess. I also would bet big on this thing to cost more, get on fire or leak in the ground water at some point. The state of long term nuclear storage is just absolutely dismal, precisely because it's so expensive.
>You can do that with nuclear waste.No you can't do that, you have to bury the irradiated materials used in plant operations, and yeah technically from
most of the used fuel you can make plutonium in breeder reactors for an astronomical cost (sorry to be liberal) and in very hazardous conditions which leads to proliferation and more pollution issues and more cost down the line. There is no good breeder reactor model btw since people have been prototyping those for 60+ years while renewables take leaps around nuclear.
>Making less is not phasing outYeah it is, China cares about cost and environment so it will go the way of the coal unless you think they are not phasing out coal like the sinophobe redditors because "they still are building coal plants".
>This isn’t a problem<However, timely investments in new exploration, mining operations and processing techniques will be essential to ensure that uranium becomes available to the market when needed.So… It will cost more labor energy and land! Well it would if they did that which they won't because basically nobody is building plants since renewables are better. Interesting that the IAEA admits this even though they are part of the nuclear lobby.
>Wonder whyCause they're poor and can't afford the costs of nuclear but they can get those cheap renewables maybe? Food for thought.
>>2732199>so I was barely exaggerating on thatNot only are you exaggerating, you haven’t even pointed out the issue that makes them so bad to begin. So far, all you have is “nuclear storage is scary.
>The state of long term nuclear storage is just absolutely dismal, precisely because it's so expensiveWe are not capitalists/liberals. Don't know why I have to repeat myself on this.
>No you can't do thathttps://e360.yale.edu/features/nuclear-waste-recycling>sorry to be liberalBe regretful, not just sorry.
>and in very hazardous conditions which leads to proliferation and more pollution issues and more cost down the line. There is nothing for this whatsoever
>There is no good breeder reactor model btw since Liberals have decided they prefer capital to sustainability. That is the reason why breeder reactors are not prevalent.
>China cares about cost and environment so it will go the way ofContinued existence because there is literally no reason to scrap them, unlike coal power plants.
>So… It will cost more labor energy and land! Without the use of breeder reactors
>because basically nobody is building plants sinceliberals are cheapskates and think oil execs are the ideal leaders of humanity
>Cause they're poorBingo. They’re poor. They can’t afford long term investments like nuclear power.
>>2732048>They will accuse a global cabal of hippies/oil execs (pick one I guess) of using their political power to write too much regulations and somehow making nuclear badthey would be right lol
>>2732098i think that chart more or less demonstrates that solar needs to be built in tandem with non-renewables to act as backup to meet demand surges, which is the biggest con ever lol
Do you guys think the they will come when countries and maybe even revolutionary regions will have to choose who lives and who dies? Based on how useful you are to society, race, age, sex, etc.?
>>2732777>race, age, sexThat is idpol
>>2732777I meant “the day”
>>2727890Definitely do shrooms at first in nature , then try going to a rave or festival and do them there when you take them its like you're givem acces to your brains control room and you can change things but don't take heroic doses
>>2727890Also specifically for this cognitive behavioral therapy is good specifically the Overcoming Social Anxiety by Dr. Richards since you can do it at home alone
how would marx have written about climate change
>>2732098It's physically not possible for people in the north to rely on solar or wind. We require heating in the winter, when the sun isn't out for long. Heating that can never be allowed to go out unless we want buildings to sustain heavy damage like pipes bursting. It's either nuclear or gas, there is no third option because not every part of the country has hydropower options either.
>>2732684The panels are useless half a year. Cloud cover also kills solar power production. It's awesome if you live in the desert but otherwise it just can't be used to power a modern society because modern society requires electricity to be available without fail all the time. Countries in the global south already use backup gas generators because grid failures are common and you just can't have no electricity for any amount of time. The effect even those minor grid failures have on life and work is murderous.
>>2748428Something like:
> FUCKFUCKFUCK > AAAAAAH> THE COST OF A LINNEN COAT WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOOOOOF >>2748479>either nuclear or gas,Gas is a fossil fuel and is a huge contributor to GHG, off the table, this whole idea that gas is a transition energy is stupid and criminal. Hang all gas salesmen.
That being said, would batteries be doable in the north? I have no idea.
>>2748519The point is that no transition will happen in a big part of the world if nuclear power generation isn't successful. Attacking nuclear makes no sense.
Service reliability is extremely important.
Even in the field as frivolous as website development, 99.9% uptime is where things start to become acceptable. You don't have a functioning website if it can just stop working for a week because there are clouds overhead. Electricity is infinitely more important than that. Heating is even more so.
>>2748479>Countries in the global south already use backup gas generators because grid failuresreason why gas giants (like iberdrola) were pushing so heavily for transition to renewables in latam and spain instead of nuclear power was precisely because of this. renewables were a means to further enroach gas dependency
>>2748519betteries become more and more shit as the load increases,so I would be surprised
it really sounds like nuclear and non nuclear are dead ends.
Are we doomed?
>>2749573>it really sounds like nuclear and non nuclear are dead ends>all energy sources are dead endsAre you stupid?
>>2749589well what else is there besides battery wind power, solar and nuclear.
Give me something that is feasiable in the next 20-30 years….
>>2749609>no argumentokay we are doomed
>>2749617haha benis :DDDDD
go into this thread
look inside
nuclear
-takes too long
-takes too long even in china
-requires a lot of funding that isnt easy to have
-would only become fast produced if current capitalist management didnt exist (which uh good luck getting rid of that in the short to mid term)
-smrs are a meme
renewables (solar, etc)
-inefficent
-requires oil to create
-baseload issues
-will have difficulty working in some environments
-etc etc
yeah pretty bleak
>>2724761by the time they die it will be because they no longer have wealth protecting them. when society becomes unsustainable, that includes the classes. we're abolishing class because we're abolishing life altogether.
>>2749968>look insideNo you didn’t
>>2752199Doomers truly are strange masochists
>>2749968The solution is
degrowth. Everyone, outside of some isolated pre-contact tribes, will have to take a hit in standard of living. No electricity at night. No Instapots. No wifi. Etc. Then we can heal the world.
>>2732098What do you think about Thorium though?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMSR-LF1I know it's not as world saving as the libertarian think tanks make it out to be, but is it at least more sustainable than uranium plants?
>>2752242You want to kill everyone through historical regression and extreme vulnerability to climate change. Fuck off.
>>2752258Plenty of progressive changes in modern history were bad.
>>2752242retard
>>2752354we have the technology to save the earth without significant impacts on quality of life, we ought to use it rather than moralize about some nonsensical anarcho-primitivist dystopia
>>2752209>No you didn’t a lot of the thread is nuclear take too long. And a lot of the other is renewable bad. And coping that if we somehow change the socio economic system nuclear gets built faster.
Wtf are you talking about anon
>>2748479>The panels are useless half a year.>uselessdo retards think "cloudy" means "no photons"? solar eclipses and night time are when solar panels are useless. a cloudy day they still pick up energy.
>>2752402>And a lot of the other is renewable badLong term pollution due to manufacturing is worse than nuclear power plants, yes. It’s still better than fossil fuels, and can still help keep the lights on when we do an energy transition to a nuclear based grid.
>And coping that if we somehow change the socio economic system nuclear gets built faster.I’m mean, is it really a cope though when one consider all the times work is either done poorly or doesn’t even get done at all thanks to the failures of monetary reward systems? Slaves and imprisoned forced labor typically are worse performers than more unshackled individuals. Is the wage slave really all that different?
>>2752414>Slaves and imprisoned forced labor typically are worse performers than more unshackled individuals. Is the wage slave really all that different?thats not what im calling cope. What im calling cope is somehow changing the socio economic system before climate change goes critical.
Im really cynical at this point of the potential success of socialist revolutions before climate change goes critical. We dont have a lot of time (its gonna get real bad in 20 years)
Theres also a big chance its just gonna be fascism in the west or other countries (japan). Or just flat out warlordism.
> and can still help keep the lights on when we do an energy transition to a nuclear based grid. True but im seeing some people point out that renewables wont be enough. That due to its inefficiences, use of oil and etc, it wont be enough for the transition to a nuclear based grid. And that due to capitalist management we are too focused on renewables instead of investing a lot in nuclear. So the transition to nuclear would be too slow.
Can you present me some hopium on this. I really need it
>>2752432>thats not what im calling cope. What im calling cope is somehow changing the socio economic system before climate change goes critical. Don’t be a revolutionary defeatist. You won’t get anywhere with that mindset.
>Theres also a big chance its just gonna be fascism in the west or other countries Already happened
>True but I'm seeing some people point out that renewables wont be enoughIt won’t be, but it will be good enough for an energy transition
>That due to its inefficiences, use of oil and etc, it wont be enough for the transition to a nuclear based gridNo one is saying that. It’s not good by itself indefinitely. It is good for a brief amount of time.
>Can you present me some hopium on this. I really need itHere’s some hopium: we’re not dead yet. You don’t need to stress about the worst possibility just yet. We’ll know if we’re fucked or not when we get there. Until then, focus on making sure we have a chance in the first place to improve our situations. That is the most important thing we can do right now. No pitying yourself when you haven’t even done anything yet.
>>2752465>Until then, focus on making sure we have a chance in the first place to improve our situations. That is the most important thing we can do right now. No pitying yourself when you haven’t even done anything yet.maybe you are right. I mean the other option is just pointless doomerism aka I guess I will just die.
>>2752471>aka I guess I will just die.Basically that
ok what do i need to learn. fuck. three sisters? degrowth? water production systems?
>>2752705>three sistersMaybe, but I would suggest looking into indoor agriculture
>degrowthUnderstanding how capital forces society to chase increasingly unrealistic goals in pursuit of infinite growth would be good
>water production systems?Including desalination, absolutely.
It is funny to think that environmentalism basically ceased to exist in the mainstream media as soon as NATO admitted to the need to wage the cold war for US hegemony.
There was a funny period at the start of the RF invading Ukraine where the EU fags talked like oil was over and they were totally going to go fully green(apparently natural gas is "green" since 2026 in their rules) and oil was the leftovers for the unenlightened jungle dwelling brutes. "Net Zero" BS and all that.
Then China turns out has been massively investing in those and EVs for strategic reasons. Turns out that just as Russia invented war in Feb-2022, China invented imperialism right about that time along with Russia.
The garden, gotta "de-risk" (read:self-sanction) from another US rival. And begin drafting trillions in military expansion and wait… are they reopening the coal plants? Are they clamoring for the oh-so-scawwwy nuclear power again? Yes, yes they are.
Global war for dominance first, then, environmentalism maybe for the survivors. Alas the tragedy being, not only will it be too late, but the profit incentive will not point to efficient strategic long term planning, with a whole planet to loot again for the winner.
Neoliberalism with wasteland characteristics by 2050.
>>2752713uhh any resources, youtubers etc? can just give me a general pointer.
since it's all over shouldn't we just be aiming to survive instead?
>>2752971Communism is when humanity's struggle for life truly begins.
>>2752736I don’t think you’ll need too much of anything that will be hard to find. At least not in terms of the individual concepts.
For degrowth, the video provided is pretty good at explaining the concept. I would suggest looking anything related to enshittification, it’s very related to the subject. And generally, you’ll find plenty of the subject, but I would advise being cautious about what information you find. It’s been quite misconstrued by people invested in the current mode of production.
As for everything else, you’ll find the resources in a similar manner. Plenty of educational resources online. Like these two links:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/utm/vertical-farming-no-longer-a-futuristic-concept/https://www.usgs.gov/water-science-school/science/desalination#overviewAs for putting these concepts together, that’s a bit more difficult. I’m going to have to think that introduction over for a bit.
>>2753267>>2752736Alright. Read this article:
https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/third-place-mall-climate-shelter And then go research Paolo Soleri, the inner workings of underground shelters, and habitation in space. That should give you gist of enclosed habitation.
Here’s a bonus link for fun:
https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacecolony.php >>2748479uygha, invent electrical wires already.
And if you're talking "Chicago" north, watch vidrel
>>2752762>picit takes 10 calories of plant matter to raise 1 calorie of beef on average
>More solar energy falls on the Earth in a day than global civilization uses in a year but we couldn't figure it out because too many people wanted to be streamers instead of STEMlords.truke
>>2752762While it's true that Earth receives far more (unused) solar energy in a day than humanity uses in a year, you suggested also that this gap exists because people chose nontechnical paths. I disagree. The real barriers are infrastructure, storage, economics, and policy rather than a lack of STEM talent. One might argue we should use solar energy immediately instead of storing it, which aligns with real strategies like demand shifting and addressing the duck curve. However, because of intermittency and the mismatch between when energy is produced and when it is needed, storage and backup systems are still necessary. The most effective approach combines real time energy use, smarter demand timing, storage, and a mix of energy sources rather than relying on a single solution.
>>2757465Arent batteries a problem? Can they be reused? Otherwise we will run out of them. We need renewable batteries or some shit
>>2757842i think you can technically make a "renewable" battery but like even normal ones arent good enough right now i think so idk
>>2758060>just-in-time production of electricity isn't the whole problem that you can't do that ? I mean sure you can keep it low and then start up another gaz powerplant,but solar and wind aren't on you to open them up unless you're already making a surplus
>>2757842you can reuse batteries up to thousands of times, it's (mostly) a solved problem, the problem is you keep 80% of the battery's efficiency when recycled, so you have to add an additional 20% of the main element (lithium, or potentially something else)
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