Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?
I hate this shit. I hate how the Epstein debacle has even made leftists throw out solid understandings of class and imperialism. WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT if the ruling class are baby-eating Satan-worshipping Illuminati? THEY'RE STILL EXPLOITING PROLES AND SHOULD BE OPPOSED ON THIS REASON ALONE.
But what really fucking grinds my gears is seeing how tenaciously Democrats and liberals are desperate to turn Epstein into Russiagate 2.0. They sincerely believe they can use the Epstein shit to remove Trump from office and put him in jail for the rest of his life. First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Even if Trump wasn't rich and didn't have the money to get away with his (alleged) crimes, there's still no possible way he'd ever get convicted of a statutory rape that occurred decades ago; there's simply way too much reasonable doubt. But also in this is seeing how garden-variety liberals are really, REALLLLLY pushing the "Epstein was Mossad" allegation, and that he was pimping out underage girls to get blackmail material on world leaders so they would be puppets of Israel. In the case of Trump, they're saying Trump is entirely a puppet of these "Zionist Jewish supremacists" like Epstein, and nearly everything Trump is doing policy-wise is purely in service to Israel. Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War", not just because Trump launched the war to distract from the Epstein files, but because Netanyahu has all the Epstein blackmail material on Trump and is using this to coerce him into going to war for Israel. This of course completely ignores how American Empire works and things like the US wanting to take control of Iran's oil and all that. But in this, it's very obvious to me that two things are going on here: 1. just like how the Democrats were pushing Russiagate during Trump's first term to "prove" that Trump was a "puppet of Russia" they're now using the Epstein files to "prove" Trump is a puppet of Israel/Zionists, and 2. the Democrats are now going to embrace anti-Zionism in the context of the alleged Epstein-Israel blackmail as a way of portraying themselves as the "peace party" like they did in the 2000s. There's zero doubt in my mind that most of this is motivated by the midterm elections and the Democrats' needing their party to win both the House and Senate in order to stay relevant.
But in all seriousness: Epstein serves the Democrats way more than it serves the radical left. I'm sick and tired of hearing about the "Epstein Class" as if the presence of the ultra-wealthy is somehow a bug and not a feature of capitalism. I'm sick of hearing that the problem with the ruling class is that they're immoral, and not that they exist in the first place. I just want liberals to shut the hell up and focus on issues that can actually be solved. Fuck this bullshit.
163 posts and 21 image replies omitted.>>2744741Look at North Korea. They are a sovereign strong country. It works.
>>2744750Theyre also not socialist and the proletariat are not free so who cares
>>2744757They are socialist as in the party that rules is a socialist one.
>>2744750>sovereign they depend on russia and china to even exist
>>2744759All countries are economically intertwined. Doesnt mean north korea isnt sovereign.
>>2744761And it is one of the few actually sovereign countries in the world.
The sovereignty of a state is irrelevant
>>2744758No it isnt. Its a propaganda tool to legitimise the monarchy.
>>2742620>Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?Yeah. My feeling has been, like, okay dude, you want to lock up all the Epstein associates? Go crazy. Put Hillary Clinton and Trump in jail. Clear out all the establishment types and replace them with different people. Maybe that would have some kind of effect at reforming the system, and that may have positive and good effects, but I'm emphasizing the word
reform because that's really what this is about. But I don't think it will change very mcuh.
>First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Maybe it's because I'm a fag that I'm less shocked by it because, middle-aged men get together and horn out about teenage girls? Wow, I'm shocked. Like, maybe straight guys wouldn't just come out and say that's what they do because it'd make them look skeezy, but a lot of them do that in fact. Like, look at any porn website, a lot of teens (who are definitely 18 years old… according to the disclaimer) and they're wearing pigtails and playing that up. The Satanic sacrifice stuff is Q-Anon baloney. At any rate, people are fascinated by it because Epstein was rich, and at some level the fascination is because some of the people protest too much when really they also fantasize about having a private island and private jets and being able to do whatever they want, meanwhile this kind of stuff around sex trafficking goes on all the time within the working class. It's not good, it's just not rare or exotic, it's the reality for too many working-class women who are treated as disposable.
>Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War", not just because Trump launched the war to distract from the Epstein files, but because Netanyahu has all the Epstein blackmail material on Trump and is using this to coerce him into going to war for Israel. This of course completely ignores how American Empire works … But in all seriousness: Epstein serves the Democrats way more than it serves the radical left. I'm sick and tired of hearing about the "Epstein Class" as if the presence of the ultra-wealthy is somehow a bug and not a feature of capitalism. The term "Epstein class" was coined by Ro Khanna, a Democratic politician. At any rate, Epstein is ultimately a scapegoat for the system. That doesn't make him innocent, I mean in terms of the ideological function his serves.
>>2744132>We’re specifically talking about an American legal context here. Liberals think they can use the Epstein files to finally get Trump removed from office and locked up, and I’m saying there’s no chance of that happening at all. I agree with you about this too. The criminal "justice" system is also not about finding the truth to begin with. That's not what the police or feds do, what they do is find enough evidence to build a case to secure a conviction. At any rate, people have let their fantasies run wild about Epstein, you can't prove a negative, so I can't prove Epstein wasn't eating children, so it's a bottomless pit. So liberals can't get what they want out of this. But it's not really about Epstein, it's a useful historical accident in the moment that they can use against Trump to help them win the midterms.
>>2744548that didn't explain anything
you are a pseud and you will reply (if you even dare replying) with a bunch of nothing again
check yourself
>>2744127>Nothing can be done, you cannot do nothing wahhh.Crazy that you are the one going around calling others democratic party shepherd when you talk like the average dem consultant.
>>2744907Theoretically, what evidence would the feds need to mass-arrest all the people named in the Epstein files, apart from “he did XYZ to me”?
>>2744655it really is too bad, since tvtropes and the Epstein files are very synergistic. Both lend themselves well to "going down the linkhole" and seeing how things are interrelated.
>>2744699I have not seen that here. I'm pretty sure all the infinitechan pedos have been scared off to 4chan
>>2744501Utah Phillips: “The Earth is not dying, it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses.”
Same goes for cannibalistic pedos. They have names and addresses. Although I'm not sure extreme classicide of the entire bourgeois and petty bourgeois class would truly end capitalism.
Idk how you can be tired of the Epstein stuff because it's the biggest break in recent memory in the dam holding people back from class consciousness. The fact that the people who own the world are doing the most depraved shit they can imagine opens the door to make everyone question the nature of their power and what it implies that our entire society is built around these demonic psychos holding onto power.
>>2744987what's needed are show trials like Stalin had during the purges. They're all rich fucks and that should be reason enough to send them to the chair
>>2745007most of the algorithms are already pinning the blame on da jooz rather than the capitalist class. Look up threads and posts about it on schizogram, there's always a juicebox emoji.
Epstein was just one player in this giant shadow economy of rich fucks trying to one up each other on who's most depraved and vile.
It was being covered by almost all players until the nazi wing of the bourgeoisie decided this would make the "jewish question" iron hot enough to strike. Which is why pinning this on jews is pivotal for them.
Obviously the nazi tards have been (and are still) heavily involved with all this debauchery and are likely just as bad if not worse, so all the redactions to the documents are needed for them to put themselves as the saviors instead of just another head of the beast.
The whole Epstein debacle is basically a deep state interbourgeousie civil war between actual hitlerites and zionists as these are the most influential and bloodthirsthy factions within the ameriKKKan security apparatus, and the casualty will be (You), (You)r family and everything (You) hold dear.
oh and the "comrades" refusing to use this for propaganda are 100% glownigs and/or wreckers btw
>>2745007>our entire society is built around these demonic psychosPeople thought the Davos conspiracy was using COVID to control us and force us into some eco-austerity regime and they voted for Trump to make Klaus Schwab go away. But people feel like the world is out of control, so they try to feel that
somebody is in control and they're depraved and that's the problem rather than thinking nobody is really in control, and that we're really facing up to capital (rather than a cabal) as an impersonal force, which is much more terrifying. Actually, the capitalist system can say that the real problem are cannibalistic perverts behind the scenes and we just need to get rid of them. In other words it's ideology. Okay you can get rid of everyone who associated with Epstein and everyone over the age of 50 while we're at it except for a few pure ones and have Ro Khanna as president, and maybe people will fill a sense of justice in that (no objection from me), but then what. Like it doesn't seem it's going to accomplish that much. It seems more like, the Republicans and Trump and the bad Democrats standing in the way of the progressive Democrats. Alright.
>>2745007>it's the biggest break in recent memory in the dam holding people back from class consciousness. like the other anon says, it does delegitimize the ruling elite but stuff like this just as equally veers people toward schizo conspiracism. and frankly, conspiracism involving jews, reptilians, malign forces are, as i see it, are more appealing than actual class politics for most people, cause like any good story it conspiracist shit is highly emotional, dramatic, adds much more dramatic flair and mysticism to the ruling classes than does the more straightforward materialist explanation. That is why propaganda and religion work in the first place and continue to work, because its emotionally appealing and is more comforting, especially with the absence of any meaningful class politics in the modern world.
>>2742620>as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivorI'm a cis male but #metoo. I love you comrade wherever you are. Thanks for being so based, thanks for being you.
>>2742852The USA-Israel-Russia connection is really about the cold war and anti-Communism which is always the vanguard of fascism. The Epstein stuff should be seized upon by socialists because this kind of glowie organized crime stuff is directly tied to anti-Communism and class warfare.
>>2745106TRVKE.
TY based comrade Gay Nazi
>>2744987That there was a massive sex trafficking ring that the elites knew about and covered up.
>>2742620Hey anon, what inspired this post?
I think it sounds very reasonable, just some confusions, that which I don't think I have.
Like cant we do the imperialism analysis with the baby eating pedos? It's the pinnacle of the corruption of the societal power imbalance.
Or what about Trump is being blackmailed by the zionists, but still can benefit from the oil?
Similar with the "Epstein class", it is a feature and not a bug, so wouldnt calling them the epstein class be a nice friendly reminder of who is on what's side?
(Though maybe it underplays those not in the files roles).
> Democrats are now going to embrace anti-Zionism in the context of the alleged Epstein-Israel blackmail as a way of portraying themselves as the "peace party" like they did in the 2000sWith how aipac meddled with the Illinois election, it might not be so true:
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/18/aipac-israel-illinois-primary-results-00833615>>2742705General leftist program of the exploitation and better life they could live but the government chooses not to do (like 90 billion dollars spend in one month by Trump cronie, which could've paid for a year's worth of healthcare and college education) – plus the pedophile degeneracy they're doing instead.
It's like you know how a chud rewatches liveleak videos of black people killing white people to radicalize themselves(?) – that can be a motivator for others.
>>2742620You are exactly right, in fact we should just forget about Jeffery all together!
>WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT if the ruling class are baby-eating Satan-worshipping Illuminati?
I do.
>>2745994The only people who don't care about the pedo cabal ruling the world are either part of it and want the story to go away or people who only care about themselves and are willing to look the other way. Their resignation that this status quo is immovable is at odds with the rest of the world that seeks justice and accountability. It's not a purely political issue and it's not going away.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: It's always been this way. Read Sade
>>2745964And how is this different from the general anti-capitalism that the left promotes?
It also doesn’t seem like the Epstein scandal is turning people anti-capitalist at all.
the fact that there was not massive waves of unrest and straight random violence means US is totally cucked/cooked
but yeah any 'big thing' is always equally an opportunity for those who control media and discourse to introduce confusion
OP is right in theory and wrong in optics, class analysis is boring and calling the rich pedos which arguably alot of them are can incite the proletariat to action, if it does then GOOD
>>2746205>It also doesn’t seem like the Epstein scandal is turning people anti-capitalist at all.uygha you idiots should be educating and agitating through it instead of wokescolding other leftists for whatever is popular to use as sectarian nagging this week
>>2746087>>2746119You both have excellent taste.
>>2742958It will take some kind of "Mad Dads" vigilante group to bring justice by hunting them down individually.
Assuming most of the child sex slaves weren't sold by their parents to Jizz-laine in the first place.>>2742952We live in a state of class war and the ruling class attacks and kills us with near-impunity. We cannot rely on their laws or their justice system to bring them to heel. Their class position is enough justification.
>>2745070No, you do have a point. Some of the epstein files stuff seems too "on the nose" and similar to previous race conspiracy hoaxes. A cannibalistic Jewish pedophile is controlling the world's governments from a private island? It's almost beyond belief for the average sanie. Not that I doubt the contents! But the info is being released in an intentional way.
I think this, alongside the livestreaming of Israeli psychopathy for over a year, could be easily used to scapegoat the entire Jewish population around the world of these crimes, rather than capitalists and imperialists.
That's why our job here is so important.
Honestly Epstein is just going to become and remembered as the American version of Rasputin
>Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?
Nope. For me its funny on so many levels that americans voted a child rapist not once but twice as their president. Flood.
>>2742620It's actually pretty funny how liberals went from:
>"shut up about Palestine and focus on the ELECTION, we need to BEAT TRUMP and VOTE HARRIS"To:
>"free Palestine, Palestine is LITERALLY Ukraine, Trump is a puppet of both Israel and Russia, Jewish supremacists are identical to Evangelicals!" >>2749813Liberals will be pro-Israel again as soon as Trump turns against Bibi.
Epstein hysteria is a perfect example of why we call antisemitism the socialism of fools.
>>2742620Anyone who thinks: "it's da JOOOOOOOOZ" is an opportunist. Only a complete moron plays into antisemitism.
>>2756764>Epstein hysteriathe bourgeoisie is sex trafficking kids bro
>>2767127There is no evidence Epstein was a pimp beyond hearsay.
>>2767132really proving that all claims about hysteria over this really is just thinley veiled apologia
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