Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?
I hate this shit. I hate how the Epstein debacle has even made leftists throw out solid understandings of class and imperialism. WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT if the ruling class are baby-eating Satan-worshipping Illuminati? THEY'RE STILL EXPLOITING PROLES AND SHOULD BE OPPOSED ON THIS REASON ALONE.
But what really fucking grinds my gears is seeing how tenaciously Democrats and liberals are desperate to turn Epstein into Russiagate 2.0. They sincerely believe they can use the Epstein shit to remove Trump from office and put him in jail for the rest of his life. First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Even if Trump wasn't rich and didn't have the money to get away with his (alleged) crimes, there's still no possible way he'd ever get convicted of a statutory rape that occurred decades ago; there's simply way too much reasonable doubt. But also in this is seeing how garden-variety liberals are really, REALLLLLY pushing the "Epstein was Mossad" allegation, and that he was pimping out underage girls to get blackmail material on world leaders so they would be puppets of Israel. In the case of Trump, they're saying Trump is entirely a puppet of these "Zionist Jewish supremacists" like Epstein, and nearly everything Trump is doing policy-wise is purely in service to Israel. Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War", not just because Trump launched the war to distract from the Epstein files, but because Netanyahu has all the Epstein blackmail material on Trump and is using this to coerce him into going to war for Israel. This of course completely ignores how American Empire works and things like the US wanting to take control of Iran's oil and all that. But in this, it's very obvious to me that two things are going on here: 1. just like how the Democrats were pushing Russiagate during Trump's first term to "prove" that Trump was a "puppet of Russia" they're now using the Epstein files to "prove" Trump is a puppet of Israel/Zionists, and 2. the Democrats are now going to embrace anti-Zionism in the context of the alleged Epstein-Israel blackmail as a way of portraying themselves as the "peace party" like they did in the 2000s. There's zero doubt in my mind that most of this is motivated by the midterm elections and the Democrats' needing their party to win both the House and Senate in order to stay relevant.
But in all seriousness: Epstein serves the Democrats way more than it serves the radical left. I'm sick and tired of hearing about the "Epstein Class" as if the presence of the ultra-wealthy is somehow a bug and not a feature of capitalism. I'm sick of hearing that the problem with the ruling class is that they're immoral, and not that they exist in the first place. I just want liberals to shut the hell up and focus on issues that can actually be solved. Fuck this bullshit.
>>2742620Wanted to add here that Trump and the ultra-rich are not loyal to any nation, be it the US, Russia, Israel, China, Saudi Arabia, whatever. The ultra-rich are loyal to their CLASS.
>>2742620Epstein is just demoralizing tbh the bourgeoisie won. The reason we lost is that we don't "believe" in conspiracies but it's never been this fucking obvious. They fucking won.
>>2742628So why hasn't anyone been able to do anything in response? Where are the mass-arrests? Why is Ghislaine Maxwell the only person to have been arrested?
Maybe it's because, again, SA is one of the hardest crimes to prove since there's way too much reasonable doubt, and even if Trump and all the others named in the files were charged there's zero reason to believe any of them would be convicted.
>>2742635Are you serious? Because the bourgeoisie control everything?? Do you really think they all don't know each other???
>>2742620>it's bad to be outraged that the plutocrats are mass murdering pedos because MUH CLASSI swear to god you want to lose. There is absolutely no reason not to use the Epstein shit to motivate people against capitalism. You're seriously gonna fucking purity test this? Are you kidding me?
>>2742662Ultras are ultras
>>2742662How should the left use the Epstein stuff to build class consciousness?
>>2742681Are you serious?
>>2742692How does this change leftist praxis?
>>2742694I'm not convinced it will do anything to make the average working person a communist. The liberals who have latched on to the Epstein stuff are portraying this solely as a moral issue, that the ruling class was not kept in-check enough and that's why Epstein was trafficking girls to the rich. Also, liberals seem hellbent on making this another case of: "Trump is being controlled by a foreign government" (in this case, Israel). They certainly aren't becoming anti-capitalist because of it.
>>2742705>I'm not convinced it will do anything to make the average working person a communist. The liberals who have latched on to the Epstein stuff are portraying this solely as a moral issue, that the ruling class was not kept in-check enough and that's why Epstein was trafficking girls to the rich. Also, liberals seem hellbent on making this another case of: "Trump is being controlled by a foreign government" (in this case, Israel). They certainly aren't becoming anti-capitalist because of it.Sorry but you're out of touch. We are the closest to revolution in America since years. The average worker can see a literal billionaire pedophile cabal being completely detached from working class struggles.
>>2742719
>communism is a jewish ideology
Based!
>>2742729There is no reason to think engagement with the Epstein stuff will turn someone into a communist. They're just as likely to become a fascist or, dare I say, another liberal.
And come on: the Democrats are obsessed with Epstein for a reason. They're able to frame this entire thing as a result of "Zionist infiltration" of the American government (again, identical to how they were accusing Russia of "infiltrating" America eight years ago) or at the very least, divorce the debauchery of Epstein and Trump and all of Epstein's other clients from capitalism itself – "It's just some bad apples, arrest the bad apples and the system will work for the working person again."
>>2742754
Has the radical left become stronger because of the outrage over Epstein?
>>2742740Go outside please.
When the fuck did leftypol become the Epstein board?
>>2742620>>2742621American liberals have no solid or consistent principles. Their end goal is only to get Democrats elected, and their only ideology is “do the opposite of whatever the GOP does.” It makes sense they’re becoming openly anti-Zionist now that Trump is the one working with Bibi and not Biden/Harris. Also takes flack off the latter two for having been complicit in the Gaza genocide in the first place.
>>2742769
Care to explain how so?
>>2742662>>2742692>>2742729There wasn't even any evidence of Epstein being a pimp. None of the girls except for Virginia Giuffre (whose story is questionable at best) have said Epstein pimped them out to anyone other than himself. We literally don't know if anyone named on the "Epstein list" was guilty of anything aside from being friendly with the guy.
>>2742787I mean, there are Democratic candidates for Congress that are openly bragging about how they won't take AIPAC money.
>>2742620>Epstein fatigue"I'm so tired, I can't even, like yeah no, yallll" - spiritually Israeli leftcoms/Trots/antifa who define their entire personality around seething about Iran's state socialism being allowed to continue existing.
Its remarkable how socialists can't even pretend for a moment to be any different than their Zionist friends who they cry about on their podcasts with laughable bogus names like "The Antifada"
>debacle <a word that originally referred to the breaking up of ice on a river, which can lead to destructive floodsIf you fail to give workers the ability to understand and critique capitalism, as leftists have apparently done, then you automatically get fascism. That's just how it works.
I haven't heard any historical materialism since Matt Christman (pbuh) had a stroke. You WILL get a flood of fascism if you cannot explain things, but it looks like you can't or are unwilling to do so…why would that be? Hmmm! Very Weird and Consistent Silence on this Topic!
>Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War"calling workers around the world "liberals"…its so over. Good luck surviving fascism
>>2742740<There is no reason to think engagement with the leftcom anti-Iran state socialism stuff will turn someone into a communist. They're just as likely to become a fascist or, dare I say, another liberal.socialists spent decades smugly seething about "Stalinist red fascist nationalist authoritarian tankie Assadists whose state needs to be destroyed for free markets. Sex work is work, we need open borders"
Trump is entirely under the thumb of Jewish supremacists. The Jew supremacists in question being Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic sect. Trump is both a puppet of Israel AND Russia.
>"Russia is fighting against Zionism and Israel!"Russia's interested are at this point largely aligned with Israel's interests.
https://www.reuters.com/world/israel-lobbies-us-keep-russian-bases-weak-syria-sources-say-2025-02-28/https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-shift-israel-votes-against-un-motion-reaffirming-ukraines-territorial-integrity/
>"Ukraine losing makes the Zios seethe!"No it doesn't. Zionists want to redirect all funding to Ukraine to Israel instead. Likely they're gearing up for a war with Iran and don't want the US to have other military considerations.
>"Donald Trump makes the Zios seethe!"Trump is an agent of Chabad-Lubavitch and the Russian-Jewish mafia. The Russia connection was actually real along, only that the liberals left out the detail of the very Jewish nature of this connection.
There's a new political axis forming with the USA-Israel-Russia, and the thing that binds it together is Chabad. This is the actual, real Jewish power in the world today, not some liberal Jewish comedian. Hell, Trump's own children became Jewish through Chabad.
What's more important to understand is that the whole schizo Christian nationalism right wing is firmly controlled by this Zionist power, and it's weaponising it.
Chabad also performs metzitzah b’peh AKA Talmudic/Kabbalistic child rape.
But don't expect Hinkle, Haz, or Maupin to touch this subject with a 50 ft pole.
>>2742787>>2742842US support for Israel is almost entirely driven by the military-industrial complex. Democrats don't want to support Israel anymore if they'd rather do foreign policy through soft power. Being anti-Israel also gives Democrats more appeal among millennial and gen Z voters.
>>2742852Trump isn't a puppet of anyone.
>>2742864*she
I'm a cis woman.
>>2742620>First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Even if Trump wasn't rich and didn't have the money to get away with his (alleged) crimes, there's still no possible way he'd ever get convicted of a statutory rape that occurred decades ago; there's simply way too much reasonable doubt. It’s not about the actual child rape. It’s about the fact the ruling class are all together in one big conspiracy to cover up Epstein. The least Trump is guilty of is helping hide Epstein’s crimes. That’s facilitating child trafficking and is easily provable.
>>2742877>The least Trump is guilty of is helping hide Epstein’s crimes. That’s facilitating child trafficking and is easily provable.This isn't what liberals are hellbent on accusing him of though. They're insisting that the Epstein files prove Trump raped underage girls himself and this can be used to impeach him and remove him from office.
Just another chapter of the socialism of the fools
>>2742843>If you fail to give workers the ability to understand and critique capitalism, as leftists have apparently done, then you automatically get fascism.Trvke. Germany, USSR, Rusia and China proves it.
that's right goyim
better forget about it quickly
>>2742897JFC Ben Studebaker is autistic.
>>2742903What will revelation of the Epstein scandal get the general public to do that the left hasn't been already doing in the past 20 or so years?
The fake ultra is being a glowie again
>>2742923This is how 95% of leftcomms think. Nothing glowie about it.
>>2742620You yourself may ironically be detached from the reality of what is happening: the contradictions of capitalism are objectively sharpening and this pushes people in the direction of communism most of the time. Liberals will get their 4-8 years of president Gavin Newsom and it'll be even worse because that's the trajectory of American decline. The people will get alienated from liberalism again, Chinese and socialist sympathies will grow further, then the right gets another shot at making women's lives suck and the same happens. Communists can always flounder their opportunities of course, that's honestly the bigger issue than whatever bourgeois are doing.
Epstein Files are nice for everyone who opposes the United States. The way liberals react to them is next to irrelevant because no one takes libs seriously and that will continue to increase.
>>2742934America isn't on the decline. If that were the case, Trump wouldn't be able to go on a massive rampage against Venezuela, Iran, Cuba right now.
>>2742843>Iran's state socialism>state socialism Geeeeeeeg
>literally one of the biggest controversies in the history of capitalism, which causes multiple people to lose faith in their institutions
<but online leftoids think you shouldnt use it as a weapon
this is why the left is irrelevant btw
>>2742662>>2742692The notion that SOME members of the ruling class are devil-worshipping baby-eaters doesn't inherently necessitate the abolition of class society. All it means for the vast majority of people is that those individuals named in the Epstein files get rounded up and thrown in prison. It's all about catching the "bad guys" and not about any kind of revolution on a systemic level.
>>2742938How do you propose the left make use of the Epstein files? And how would that make any significant change in the direction of the left from the past few decades?
>>2742620Really good bait.
>>2742938Scandals don't bring down capitalism or empower the working-class. Remember the LuxLeaks and the Panama Papers?
>>2742942yet no one has been rounded up and thrown in prison. the fucking president of the most powerful country in the world was best buddies with epstein and faces 0 consequence. the entire ruling class is involved and complicit.
>b-but libs talk about epstein THEREFORE we shouldnt talk about it because we arent libs!!!libs also talk about climate change, minimum wage increases and universal health care. will you become opposed to those things just to virtue signal too?
>>2742948And you believe throwing the people named in the files into prison will help the left? How so? Did throwing Bernie Madoff in prison do anything to help the American left or was it a symbolic victory at best (not defending Madoff obviously but still)?
>>2742947>>2742945not saying it would take down the system. its just a rhetorical weapon, and an incredibly powerful one at that. lets reverse the situation, imagine if the leadership of a left party was exposed as sex pests, the right would use this under every occasion to prove that the left are degenerates, pedos, etc., even if you had no involvement with that specific party at all, thats because the right knows how to do politics, meanwhile leftists are retards who just want to virtue signal
>>2742948>entire ruling class is involved and complicit.You don't know this for a fact. And assuming the majority of them knew Epstein, that's still not enough evidence to change them with anything.
>>2742951>its just a rhetorical weapon, and an incredibly powerful one at that.Okay, so how does this actually benefit the left? If Trump and all the others named in the files were sent to jail, how closer would the American working-class be to achieving socialism? Wouldn't the positions these rich people fill just be filled with other rich people?
>>2742952are you fucking kidding me. so youre defending the bourgeois just to be a contrarian? doesnt matter if they flew to the island or not, theyre defending proven pedos.
>>2742954>hurr durr how will this baseball bat help me fight my opponentsi swear to god
>>2742956I know what you're getting at. You're saying the Epstein files are good for the left because they're terrible PR for the ruling class, that you can tear down their power by spreading innuendos about them fucking kids.
Hate to break it to you, but the ruling class doesn't buy into cancel culture the same way people in your local leftist circles do. For instance, look at what happened to Jay-Z recently: a woman hit him with a sexual abuse lawsuit, Hov said he wasn't going to pay her off the way Diddy paid off Cassie and insisted on taking this woman to court to prove his innocence. Immediately afterwards she dropped the lawsuit. See what I mean? The upper echelons of society don't give into this crap anymore.
Working people already hate the rich. A huge number of Americans unironically believe the Illuminati shit. Yet they don't fight the rich because they have no ability to. There's no political outlet for them to beat back the power the rich have. What do the Epstein files actually change in that regard? They provide more sense of moral urgency to fight the rich? Okay, we fight them – with what?
Those of us who have been active on the far-left for decades have been coming up with ways to fight the rich since forever. The Epstein files add nothing new to this.
>>2742951Since when does the left fixate on personalities instead of policies?
>people are largely disgusted and disillusioned with their institutions for letting porky semi-openly conduct industrial rapekill ops unscathed
<nooooo that has nothing to do with class society stop talking about it
>some guy kills an insurance porkie in broad daylight
<nooooo this has nothing to do with abolishing class society and it's only one porky anyways
>china executes billionaires, most chinese proles own houses, and they fly our banners proudly with more and more western proles starting to like them
<nooooo they still have markets and they're imperialist
I understand none of these things are one or more communisms, but can we stop hating on based things for a moment just to virtue signal.
this poster is extremely retarded
The Nazis got a lot of things wrong, but you got to hand it to them they were right about jews.
>>2743054David Stern is Jewish lol
>solid understandings of class and imperialism
solid understandings = dogma
And the dogma is boring, stale, and has had its day.
"Hate facts" are still facts.
America is run by a jewish cabal.
>>2743062bait or retarded
>>2743024People have been angry at the rich for a while now and yet have done nothing to rise up against them. What do the Epstein files change?
I need the video with him with dancing hands and techno music
>>2743090magnitude and sense of urgency
it also gives the purist "leftists" more fresh meat to feel superior to
easy to hate a singular face vs a distributed system
The ruling class has worked very hard to redirect every single impulse of class struggle towards liberalism or fascism, increasingly just towards fascism. Americans have been trained to ignore a very obvious thing right in front of them, and they are very good at it. Anons in this thread make a good point, the Epstein stuff should rightly make everyone class conscious, but the ruling class saw this coming years ago and that’s why they infiltrated every single online space to create misdirection campaigns and to flood the internet with disinfo, including the insane amount of antisemitic memes. Even a lot of anons here on leftypol have fallen for it.
I know people who get all of their news from memes and twitter posts. No books, not the press, not even a substack post (they aint reading all dat xD). Leftists have no legitimate online presence because people have been trained, their entire reality has been shaped by the simulacra and simulation of our hyperreal online lives to literally become incapable of conceptualizing leftist theory. You have to willingly want to escape the system, to break out of this mess to even begin to understand, and that’s very difficult. The current method of propagandizing by the state is almost a perfect closed system, it makes much more sense to blame jews or say there are only a few bad apples responsible, because the rest of the system will refer you back to those answers, and there will be fresh content every day made to prove it to you. It is self-sustaining and circular, perfect circular logic with very few gaps.
>>2743306>words words words>antisemitic memes, they hurt muh feefeesCope. Shabbos goy or jewish nigger?. The noticing will continue. Want antisemitism to stop? Stop bombing palestinian children. Stop owning all the banks. Jewish supremacism will end. Noticing Jewish supremacism is class consciousness because Jews are only 2% of the population but like 90% of the bourgeoisie.
Don't worry, my big scary post will be removed by your zionist mod team soon, to protect your Jewish supremacist feelings. Imagine walking up to a black American in 1850 and telling them white supremacy isn't real. That's basically what you're doing.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2743259OP didn’t mention Jews at all, imbecile.
>>2743120And yet we haven’t seen that urgency commence into anything. All we’re seeing is liberals (mostly white women) protesting in Handmaid’s Tale outfits for releasing more of the files.
>>2743365>>2743368So if the problem is “Jews” what’s the solution?
>>2743496>it's nothing except for the thing that they're doingyes it's libshittery and ultimately useless but if you can't recognize an opportunity here you've basically fused with your armchair
imagine commies correctly just pointing out that occupy wallstreet was libshit nonsense and urging others to stop talking about it instead of trying to agitate educate and organize
>>2743493Did I say he did? I said that's what he sounds like, not that he literally said that. Learn 2 read you dumb cunt
>>2743516it was libshit nonsense which it's why it didn't go anywhere farther than other libshit movements like BLM or CHAZ
>>2743366>Stop owning all the banksAh yes, we need more BIPOC billionaire bankers CEOs!
Stupid jewish negro
>>2743530Ben Shapiro blames the resignation of Joe Kent, formerly the Trump administration's director of the National Counterterrorism Center, on. Conspiracy "brain rot." And Jew Hatred
BEN SHAPIRO: Well, this morning Joe Kent quit his job at the National Counterterrorism Center and issued a scathing letter designed to undermine President Trump.
The letter is deeply, deeply conspiratorial. It states openly that, quote, “Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.”
Now, that is conspiracy trash.
It’s also kind of strange since President Trump has said that it’s conspiracy trash. So apparently Trump is so deeply, deeply enthralled to those strange, powerful American lobbies — we’re not gonna say it, we’re not gonna say it, we’re not gonna say that he apparently has been so bamboozled by them that he’s still under the impression that he’s his own man.
But here’s the thing: President Trump is his own man. He makes his own decisions. And as per our usual arrangement, Trump’s critics are cowards who are simply unwilling to acknowledge that Trump is the one making the call.
But Joe Kent continued, quote: “Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America First platform and sowed pre-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran. This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed imminent threat to the United States and that, should you strike now, there was a clear path to a swift victory. This was a lie, and it’s the same tactic the Israelis used to draw us into the disastrous Iraq war that cost our nation the lives of thousands of our best men and women.”
Again, the idea here seems to be that President Trump is a moron misled into war by nefarious Israelis and unnamed influential members of the American media. Don’t say it, don’t say it.
Again, apparently President Trump has no agency and no thoughts.
Kent’s letter is replete with this conspiratorial idiocy, including — as we just saw — the idea that it was Israel that forced the original Iraq war, an idea totally and utterly unsupportable by any evidence, given the fact that the actual prime minister of Israel at the time, Ariel Sharon, opposed the Iraq war.
This stuff is brain rot.
Now listen, we should all be thankful for Joe Kent’s long and honorable military service. We can also be glad that he’s leaving, since his ideology is the same as that of Tucker Carlson — the guy who says that the war is disgusting and evil and who has been busy sexting with the mullahs.
Tucker Carlson calls Kent a personal friend and, quote, “the bravest man I know.”
Frankly, I think that it is a good thing that Kent is not in this position. We cannot have a director of counterterrorism who is somehow advocating preemptive surrender to the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism in the middle of a war.
>>2743516Occupy was an actual critical mass. Where’s the same protest energy when it comes to Epstein?
>>2743535Stip spamming the board you fucking histeonic
Not wanting to exploit the Epstein files to raise prole solidarity is so nonsensical I have to assume those against it are pedophiles who don't want to create any left wing movement that isn't permissive of them.
>>2743541>an actual critical mass.it was a bunch of literal hippies in tents asking for more gibs
>>2743545How does the left make use of the Epstein files? Seems like the only strategy here is using them to recruit more people to the left.
>>2743552And how would a movement centred around the Epstein revelations be any different in practice?
>>2743574>the only strategy here is using them to recruit more people to the left.And why would leftists hate that, exactly? Do we want less people on board or what?
>The ruling class gets exposed
<This is actually bad
What is wrong with you motherfuckers! Trump is definitely guilty and if he is removed from office that would be a good thing.
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