Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?
I hate this shit. I hate how the Epstein debacle has even made leftists throw out solid understandings of class and imperialism. WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT if the ruling class are baby-eating Satan-worshipping Illuminati? THEY'RE STILL EXPLOITING PROLES AND SHOULD BE OPPOSED ON THIS REASON ALONE.
But what really fucking grinds my gears is seeing how tenaciously Democrats and liberals are desperate to turn Epstein into Russiagate 2.0. They sincerely believe they can use the Epstein shit to remove Trump from office and put him in jail for the rest of his life. First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Even if Trump wasn't rich and didn't have the money to get away with his (alleged) crimes, there's still no possible way he'd ever get convicted of a statutory rape that occurred decades ago; there's simply way too much reasonable doubt. But also in this is seeing how garden-variety liberals are really, REALLLLLY pushing the "Epstein was Mossad" allegation, and that he was pimping out underage girls to get blackmail material on world leaders so they would be puppets of Israel. In the case of Trump, they're saying Trump is entirely a puppet of these "Zionist Jewish supremacists" like Epstein, and nearly everything Trump is doing policy-wise is purely in service to Israel. Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War", not just because Trump launched the war to distract from the Epstein files, but because Netanyahu has all the Epstein blackmail material on Trump and is using this to coerce him into going to war for Israel. This of course completely ignores how American Empire works and things like the US wanting to take control of Iran's oil and all that. But in this, it's very obvious to me that two things are going on here: 1. just like how the Democrats were pushing Russiagate during Trump's first term to "prove" that Trump was a "puppet of Russia" they're now using the Epstein files to "prove" Trump is a puppet of Israel/Zionists, and 2. the Democrats are now going to embrace anti-Zionism in the context of the alleged Epstein-Israel blackmail as a way of portraying themselves as the "peace party" like they did in the 2000s. There's zero doubt in my mind that most of this is motivated by the midterm elections and the Democrats' needing their party to win both the House and Senate in order to stay relevant.
But in all seriousness: Epstein serves the Democrats way more than it serves the radical left. I'm sick and tired of hearing about the "Epstein Class" as if the presence of the ultra-wealthy is somehow a bug and not a feature of capitalism. I'm sick of hearing that the problem with the ruling class is that they're immoral, and not that they exist in the first place. I just want liberals to shut the hell up and focus on issues that can actually be solved. Fuck this bullshit.
>>2742620Wanted to add here that Trump and the ultra-rich are not loyal to any nation, be it the US, Russia, Israel, China, Saudi Arabia, whatever. The ultra-rich are loyal to their CLASS.
>>2742620Epstein is just demoralizing tbh the bourgeoisie won. The reason we lost is that we don't "believe" in conspiracies but it's never been this fucking obvious. They fucking won.
>>2742628So why hasn't anyone been able to do anything in response? Where are the mass-arrests? Why is Ghislaine Maxwell the only person to have been arrested?
Maybe it's because, again, SA is one of the hardest crimes to prove since there's way too much reasonable doubt, and even if Trump and all the others named in the files were charged there's zero reason to believe any of them would be convicted.
>>2742635Are you serious? Because the bourgeoisie control everything?? Do you really think they all don't know each other???
>>2742620>it's bad to be outraged that the plutocrats are mass murdering pedos because MUH CLASSI swear to god you want to lose. There is absolutely no reason not to use the Epstein shit to motivate people against capitalism. You're seriously gonna fucking purity test this? Are you kidding me?
>>2742662Ultras are ultras
>>2742662How should the left use the Epstein stuff to build class consciousness?
>>2742681Are you serious?
>>2742692How does this change leftist praxis?
>>2742694I'm not convinced it will do anything to make the average working person a communist. The liberals who have latched on to the Epstein stuff are portraying this solely as a moral issue, that the ruling class was not kept in-check enough and that's why Epstein was trafficking girls to the rich. Also, liberals seem hellbent on making this another case of: "Trump is being controlled by a foreign government" (in this case, Israel). They certainly aren't becoming anti-capitalist because of it.
>>2742705>I'm not convinced it will do anything to make the average working person a communist. The liberals who have latched on to the Epstein stuff are portraying this solely as a moral issue, that the ruling class was not kept in-check enough and that's why Epstein was trafficking girls to the rich. Also, liberals seem hellbent on making this another case of: "Trump is being controlled by a foreign government" (in this case, Israel). They certainly aren't becoming anti-capitalist because of it.Sorry but you're out of touch. We are the closest to revolution in America since years. The average worker can see a literal billionaire pedophile cabal being completely detached from working class struggles.
>>2742719
>communism is a jewish ideology
Based!
>>2742729There is no reason to think engagement with the Epstein stuff will turn someone into a communist. They're just as likely to become a fascist or, dare I say, another liberal.
And come on: the Democrats are obsessed with Epstein for a reason. They're able to frame this entire thing as a result of "Zionist infiltration" of the American government (again, identical to how they were accusing Russia of "infiltrating" America eight years ago) or at the very least, divorce the debauchery of Epstein and Trump and all of Epstein's other clients from capitalism itself – "It's just some bad apples, arrest the bad apples and the system will work for the working person again."
>>2742754
Has the radical left become stronger because of the outrage over Epstein?
>>2742740Go outside please.
When the fuck did leftypol become the Epstein board?
>>2742620>>2742621American liberals have no solid or consistent principles. Their end goal is only to get Democrats elected, and their only ideology is “do the opposite of whatever the GOP does.” It makes sense they’re becoming openly anti-Zionist now that Trump is the one working with Bibi and not Biden/Harris. Also takes flack off the latter two for having been complicit in the Gaza genocide in the first place.
>>2742769
Care to explain how so?
>>2742662>>2742692>>2742729There wasn't even any evidence of Epstein being a pimp. None of the girls except for Virginia Giuffre (whose story is questionable at best) have said Epstein pimped them out to anyone other than himself. We literally don't know if anyone named on the "Epstein list" was guilty of anything aside from being friendly with the guy.
>>2742787I mean, there are Democratic candidates for Congress that are openly bragging about how they won't take AIPAC money.
>>2742620>Epstein fatigue"I'm so tired, I can't even, like yeah no, yallll" - spiritually Israeli leftcoms/Trots/antifa who define their entire personality around seething about Iran's state socialism being allowed to continue existing.
Its remarkable how socialists can't even pretend for a moment to be any different than their Zionist friends who they cry about on their podcasts with laughable bogus names like "The Antifada"
>debacle <a word that originally referred to the breaking up of ice on a river, which can lead to destructive floodsIf you fail to give workers the ability to understand and critique capitalism, as leftists have apparently done, then you automatically get fascism. That's just how it works.
I haven't heard any historical materialism since Matt Christman (pbuh) had a stroke. You WILL get a flood of fascism if you cannot explain things, but it looks like you can't or are unwilling to do so…why would that be? Hmmm! Very Weird and Consistent Silence on this Topic!
>Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War"calling workers around the world "liberals"…its so over. Good luck surviving fascism
>>2742740<There is no reason to think engagement with the leftcom anti-Iran state socialism stuff will turn someone into a communist. They're just as likely to become a fascist or, dare I say, another liberal.socialists spent decades smugly seething about "Stalinist red fascist nationalist authoritarian tankie Assadists whose state needs to be destroyed for free markets. Sex work is work, we need open borders"
Trump is entirely under the thumb of Jewish supremacists. The Jew supremacists in question being Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic sect. Trump is both a puppet of Israel AND Russia.
>"Russia is fighting against Zionism and Israel!"Russia's interested are at this point largely aligned with Israel's interests.
https://www.reuters.com/world/israel-lobbies-us-keep-russian-bases-weak-syria-sources-say-2025-02-28/https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-shift-israel-votes-against-un-motion-reaffirming-ukraines-territorial-integrity/
>"Ukraine losing makes the Zios seethe!"No it doesn't. Zionists want to redirect all funding to Ukraine to Israel instead. Likely they're gearing up for a war with Iran and don't want the US to have other military considerations.
>"Donald Trump makes the Zios seethe!"Trump is an agent of Chabad-Lubavitch and the Russian-Jewish mafia. The Russia connection was actually real along, only that the liberals left out the detail of the very Jewish nature of this connection.
There's a new political axis forming with the USA-Israel-Russia, and the thing that binds it together is Chabad. This is the actual, real Jewish power in the world today, not some liberal Jewish comedian. Hell, Trump's own children became Jewish through Chabad.
What's more important to understand is that the whole schizo Christian nationalism right wing is firmly controlled by this Zionist power, and it's weaponising it.
Chabad also performs metzitzah b’peh AKA Talmudic/Kabbalistic child rape.
But don't expect Hinkle, Haz, or Maupin to touch this subject with a 50 ft pole.
>>2742787>>2742842US support for Israel is almost entirely driven by the military-industrial complex. Democrats don't want to support Israel anymore if they'd rather do foreign policy through soft power. Being anti-Israel also gives Democrats more appeal among millennial and gen Z voters.
>>2742852Trump isn't a puppet of anyone.
>>2742864*she
I'm a cis woman.
>>2742620>First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Even if Trump wasn't rich and didn't have the money to get away with his (alleged) crimes, there's still no possible way he'd ever get convicted of a statutory rape that occurred decades ago; there's simply way too much reasonable doubt. It’s not about the actual child rape. It’s about the fact the ruling class are all together in one big conspiracy to cover up Epstein. The least Trump is guilty of is helping hide Epstein’s crimes. That’s facilitating child trafficking and is easily provable.
>>2742877>The least Trump is guilty of is helping hide Epstein’s crimes. That’s facilitating child trafficking and is easily provable.This isn't what liberals are hellbent on accusing him of though. They're insisting that the Epstein files prove Trump raped underage girls himself and this can be used to impeach him and remove him from office.
Just another chapter of the socialism of the fools
>>2742843>If you fail to give workers the ability to understand and critique capitalism, as leftists have apparently done, then you automatically get fascism.Trvke. Germany, USSR, Rusia and China proves it.
that's right goyim
better forget about it quickly
>>2742897JFC Ben Studebaker is autistic.
>>2742903What will revelation of the Epstein scandal get the general public to do that the left hasn't been already doing in the past 20 or so years?
The fake ultra is being a glowie again
>>2742923This is how 95% of leftcomms think. Nothing glowie about it.
>>2742620You yourself may ironically be detached from the reality of what is happening: the contradictions of capitalism are objectively sharpening and this pushes people in the direction of communism most of the time. Liberals will get their 4-8 years of president Gavin Newsom and it'll be even worse because that's the trajectory of American decline. The people will get alienated from liberalism again, Chinese and socialist sympathies will grow further, then the right gets another shot at making women's lives suck and the same happens. Communists can always flounder their opportunities of course, that's honestly the bigger issue than whatever bourgeois are doing.
Epstein Files are nice for everyone who opposes the United States. The way liberals react to them is next to irrelevant because no one takes libs seriously and that will continue to increase.
>>2742934America isn't on the decline. If that were the case, Trump wouldn't be able to go on a massive rampage against Venezuela, Iran, Cuba right now.
>>2742843>Iran's state socialism>state socialism Geeeeeeeg
>literally one of the biggest controversies in the history of capitalism, which causes multiple people to lose faith in their institutions
<but online leftoids think you shouldnt use it as a weapon
this is why the left is irrelevant btw
>>2742662>>2742692The notion that SOME members of the ruling class are devil-worshipping baby-eaters doesn't inherently necessitate the abolition of class society. All it means for the vast majority of people is that those individuals named in the Epstein files get rounded up and thrown in prison. It's all about catching the "bad guys" and not about any kind of revolution on a systemic level.
>>2742938How do you propose the left make use of the Epstein files? And how would that make any significant change in the direction of the left from the past few decades?
>>2742620Really good bait.
>>2742938Scandals don't bring down capitalism or empower the working-class. Remember the LuxLeaks and the Panama Papers?
>>2742942yet no one has been rounded up and thrown in prison. the fucking president of the most powerful country in the world was best buddies with epstein and faces 0 consequence. the entire ruling class is involved and complicit.
>b-but libs talk about epstein THEREFORE we shouldnt talk about it because we arent libs!!!libs also talk about climate change, minimum wage increases and universal health care. will you become opposed to those things just to virtue signal too?
>>2742948And you believe throwing the people named in the files into prison will help the left? How so? Did throwing Bernie Madoff in prison do anything to help the American left or was it a symbolic victory at best (not defending Madoff obviously but still)?
>>2742947>>2742945not saying it would take down the system. its just a rhetorical weapon, and an incredibly powerful one at that. lets reverse the situation, imagine if the leadership of a left party was exposed as sex pests, the right would use this under every occasion to prove that the left are degenerates, pedos, etc., even if you had no involvement with that specific party at all, thats because the right knows how to do politics, meanwhile leftists are retards who just want to virtue signal
>>2742948>entire ruling class is involved and complicit.You don't know this for a fact. And assuming the majority of them knew Epstein, that's still not enough evidence to change them with anything.
>>2742951>its just a rhetorical weapon, and an incredibly powerful one at that.Okay, so how does this actually benefit the left? If Trump and all the others named in the files were sent to jail, how closer would the American working-class be to achieving socialism? Wouldn't the positions these rich people fill just be filled with other rich people?
>>2742952are you fucking kidding me. so youre defending the bourgeois just to be a contrarian? doesnt matter if they flew to the island or not, theyre defending proven pedos.
>>2742954>hurr durr how will this baseball bat help me fight my opponentsi swear to god
>>2742956I know what you're getting at. You're saying the Epstein files are good for the left because they're terrible PR for the ruling class, that you can tear down their power by spreading innuendos about them fucking kids.
Hate to break it to you, but the ruling class doesn't buy into cancel culture the same way people in your local leftist circles do. For instance, look at what happened to Jay-Z recently: a woman hit him with a sexual abuse lawsuit, Hov said he wasn't going to pay her off the way Diddy paid off Cassie and insisted on taking this woman to court to prove his innocence. Immediately afterwards she dropped the lawsuit. See what I mean? The upper echelons of society don't give into this crap anymore.
Working people already hate the rich. A huge number of Americans unironically believe the Illuminati shit. Yet they don't fight the rich because they have no ability to. There's no political outlet for them to beat back the power the rich have. What do the Epstein files actually change in that regard? They provide more sense of moral urgency to fight the rich? Okay, we fight them – with what?
Those of us who have been active on the far-left for decades have been coming up with ways to fight the rich since forever. The Epstein files add nothing new to this.
>>2742951Since when does the left fixate on personalities instead of policies?
>people are largely disgusted and disillusioned with their institutions for letting porky semi-openly conduct industrial rapekill ops unscathed
<nooooo that has nothing to do with class society stop talking about it
>some guy kills an insurance porkie in broad daylight
<nooooo this has nothing to do with abolishing class society and it's only one porky anyways
>china executes billionaires, most chinese proles own houses, and they fly our banners proudly with more and more western proles starting to like them
<nooooo they still have markets and they're imperialist
I understand none of these things are one or more communisms, but can we stop hating on based things for a moment just to virtue signal.
this poster is extremely retarded
The Nazis got a lot of things wrong, but you got to hand it to them they were right about jews.
>>2743054David Stern is Jewish lol
>solid understandings of class and imperialism
solid understandings = dogma
And the dogma is boring, stale, and has had its day.
"Hate facts" are still facts.
America is run by a jewish cabal.
>>2743062bait or retarded
>>2743024People have been angry at the rich for a while now and yet have done nothing to rise up against them. What do the Epstein files change?
I need the video with him with dancing hands and techno music
>>2743090magnitude and sense of urgency
it also gives the purist "leftists" more fresh meat to feel superior to
easy to hate a singular face vs a distributed system
The ruling class has worked very hard to redirect every single impulse of class struggle towards liberalism or fascism, increasingly just towards fascism. Americans have been trained to ignore a very obvious thing right in front of them, and they are very good at it. Anons in this thread make a good point, the Epstein stuff should rightly make everyone class conscious, but the ruling class saw this coming years ago and that’s why they infiltrated every single online space to create misdirection campaigns and to flood the internet with disinfo, including the insane amount of antisemitic memes. Even a lot of anons here on leftypol have fallen for it.
I know people who get all of their news from memes and twitter posts. No books, not the press, not even a substack post (they aint reading all dat xD). Leftists have no legitimate online presence because people have been trained, their entire reality has been shaped by the simulacra and simulation of our hyperreal online lives to literally become incapable of conceptualizing leftist theory. You have to willingly want to escape the system, to break out of this mess to even begin to understand, and that’s very difficult. The current method of propagandizing by the state is almost a perfect closed system, it makes much more sense to blame jews or say there are only a few bad apples responsible, because the rest of the system will refer you back to those answers, and there will be fresh content every day made to prove it to you. It is self-sustaining and circular, perfect circular logic with very few gaps.
>>2743306>words words words>antisemitic memes, they hurt muh feefeesCope. Shabbos goy or jewish nigger?. The noticing will continue. Want antisemitism to stop? Stop bombing palestinian children. Stop owning all the banks. Jewish supremacism will end. Noticing Jewish supremacism is class consciousness because Jews are only 2% of the population but like 90% of the bourgeoisie.
Don't worry, my big scary post will be removed by your zionist mod team soon, to protect your Jewish supremacist feelings. Imagine walking up to a black American in 1850 and telling them white supremacy isn't real. That's basically what you're doing.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2743259OP didn’t mention Jews at all, imbecile.
>>2743120And yet we haven’t seen that urgency commence into anything. All we’re seeing is liberals (mostly white women) protesting in Handmaid’s Tale outfits for releasing more of the files.
>>2743365>>2743368So if the problem is “Jews” what’s the solution?
>>2743496>it's nothing except for the thing that they're doingyes it's libshittery and ultimately useless but if you can't recognize an opportunity here you've basically fused with your armchair
imagine commies correctly just pointing out that occupy wallstreet was libshit nonsense and urging others to stop talking about it instead of trying to agitate educate and organize
>>2743493Did I say he did? I said that's what he sounds like, not that he literally said that. Learn 2 read you dumb cunt
>>2743516it was libshit nonsense which it's why it didn't go anywhere farther than other libshit movements like BLM or CHAZ
>>2743366>Stop owning all the banksAh yes, we need more BIPOC billionaire bankers CEOs!
Stupid jewish negro
>>2743530Ben Shapiro blames the resignation of Joe Kent, formerly the Trump administration's director of the National Counterterrorism Center, on. Conspiracy "brain rot." And Jew Hatred
BEN SHAPIRO: Well, this morning Joe Kent quit his job at the National Counterterrorism Center and issued a scathing letter designed to undermine President Trump.
The letter is deeply, deeply conspiratorial. It states openly that, quote, “Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.”
Now, that is conspiracy trash.
It’s also kind of strange since President Trump has said that it’s conspiracy trash. So apparently Trump is so deeply, deeply enthralled to those strange, powerful American lobbies — we’re not gonna say it, we’re not gonna say it, we’re not gonna say that he apparently has been so bamboozled by them that he’s still under the impression that he’s his own man.
But here’s the thing: President Trump is his own man. He makes his own decisions. And as per our usual arrangement, Trump’s critics are cowards who are simply unwilling to acknowledge that Trump is the one making the call.
But Joe Kent continued, quote: “Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America First platform and sowed pre-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran. This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed imminent threat to the United States and that, should you strike now, there was a clear path to a swift victory. This was a lie, and it’s the same tactic the Israelis used to draw us into the disastrous Iraq war that cost our nation the lives of thousands of our best men and women.”
Again, the idea here seems to be that President Trump is a moron misled into war by nefarious Israelis and unnamed influential members of the American media. Don’t say it, don’t say it.
Again, apparently President Trump has no agency and no thoughts.
Kent’s letter is replete with this conspiratorial idiocy, including — as we just saw — the idea that it was Israel that forced the original Iraq war, an idea totally and utterly unsupportable by any evidence, given the fact that the actual prime minister of Israel at the time, Ariel Sharon, opposed the Iraq war.
This stuff is brain rot.
Now listen, we should all be thankful for Joe Kent’s long and honorable military service. We can also be glad that he’s leaving, since his ideology is the same as that of Tucker Carlson — the guy who says that the war is disgusting and evil and who has been busy sexting with the mullahs.
Tucker Carlson calls Kent a personal friend and, quote, “the bravest man I know.”
Frankly, I think that it is a good thing that Kent is not in this position. We cannot have a director of counterterrorism who is somehow advocating preemptive surrender to the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism in the middle of a war.
>>2743516Occupy was an actual critical mass. Where’s the same protest energy when it comes to Epstein?
>>2743535Stip spamming the board you fucking histeonic
Not wanting to exploit the Epstein files to raise prole solidarity is so nonsensical I have to assume those against it are pedophiles who don't want to create any left wing movement that isn't permissive of them.
>>2743541>an actual critical mass.it was a bunch of literal hippies in tents asking for more gibs
>>2743545How does the left make use of the Epstein files? Seems like the only strategy here is using them to recruit more people to the left.
>>2743552And how would a movement centred around the Epstein revelations be any different in practice?
>>2743574>the only strategy here is using them to recruit more people to the left.And why would leftists hate that, exactly? Do we want less people on board or what?
>The ruling class gets exposed
<This is actually bad
What is wrong with you motherfuckers! Trump is definitely guilty and if he is removed from office that would be a good thing.
Keep this shit in your burger containment thread.
>>2743574This is our big opportunity to eradicate the Zionist Lobby from American politics all together. Epstein proves America was being controlled by Isn’treal and now that America knows this they can finally put an end to AIPAC and Zionist ideology which operates in every facet of American society.
>>2743939"neoliberal news outlets with a radical veneer" nailed it, I don't come to leftist spaces to read r/politics posts about the epstein class that are totally not a psyop to make people vote democrat next election
>>2742620>But also in this is seeing how garden-variety liberals are really, REALLLLLY pushing the "Epstein was Mossad" allegation, and that he was pimping out underage girls to get blackmail material on world leaders so they would be puppets of Israel. In the case of Trump, they're saying Trump is entirely a puppet of these "Zionist Jewish supremacists" like Epstein, and nearly everything Trump is doing policy-wise is purely in service to Israel. Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War", not just because Trump launched the war to distract from the Epstein files, but because Netanyahu has all the Epstein blackmail material on Trump and is using this to coerce him into going to war for Israel.Antisemitism appeals to the exact same frustrations and insecurities as leftism does, so it shouldn’t be surprising placing the bulk of the blame on “JEWS” is what liberals are resorting to. It’s identical to how liberals scapegoat Evangelicals for oppressive policies without understanding why the ruling class has an incentive to go after marginalized folks like queer people, etc. regardless of religious beliefs.
>>2743960OP is largely correct: liberals care more about the Epstein files than radicals do, because it gives liberals a narrative of post-Cold War US imperialism that allows for liberalism and capitalism to be absolved. “It’s just EPSTEIN” is what liberals will tell you when it comes to why Trump implements the policies he does.
some of you guys have such fucking weird inhuman takes that they have to either be trolling or glowing
>>2743939Big picture historical and class analysis is not going to emotionally motivate most people. I know MUHTHEORYists hate that, but it's true.
>>2743628The problem is, trying to prove Trump guilty of any of this stuff is nearly impossible. Not just because “the people who are named in the files are the same people who control the legal system” but because you need a lot more evidence to arrest someone aside from a single person making an accusation. There’s a reason why the vast majority of rapists are running free and never convicted of anything. That frat boy you knew in university who raped two sorority girls at a party is now working a top-tier corporate job. Diddy couldn’t be convicted of sex trafficking. Michael Jackson was never convicted of sexual misconduct with kids. Kobe Bryant was never convicted on his rape charge. What makes you think the POTUS will?
>>2744127Who fucking cares, any revolution worth a damn would just summarily execute them anyway
>>2744130We’re specifically talking about an American legal context here. Liberals think they can use the Epstein files to finally get Trump removed from office and locked up, and I’m saying there’s no chance of that happening at all. Let’s say in 2029 a President Newsom or a President AOC tells the feds to arrest everyone named in the files, what evidence would the feds have against these people other than hearsay? What can actually be proven, especially beyond a reasonable doubt?
>>2744126So leftists should sink to the level of rightoids and liberals by abandoning intellect and appealing to moral outrage?
>>2744146Do you want to win or not? Most people are not intellectuals and never will be.
>>2744154Well all of reddit is outraged by Epstein, victory must be close! (they will vote democrat)
>>2742842Kat Abughazaleh is the future of the Democratic Party.
>>2742767“The American left” hasn’t existed since 2017 when it essentially liquidated itself into the Democratic Party in the name of stopping Trump. What we have now isn’t a real “left” but a further-left wing of the Democrats. Not even Mamdani can run on a socialist/communist party ticket. The DSA are all Democrats.
>>2743939<Ohh but what about the name you're calling the system, you have to use my pre approved term or you're not taking this seriousllyyyy. Why aren't you using the terms I want????These people are beyond help
>>2742620This is exactly something that someone in the Epstein Files would say
>>2744175Mamdani has since sold out and his original supporters who thought getting him elected would be a slap in the face to the Israeli Lobby no longer support him. I guess he's hung out at 770 Eastern Parkway too much for their liking.
>>2744172She's anti-China and wants to give more weapons to uKKKraine.
>>2744127>>2744132Trump was part of a sex trafficking coverup. That's the real scandal here and exactly what the feds could get him on.
>>2743366>>2743530glow to glow communication
>>2744309And how much evidence do they have for an arrest? The feds want slam dunks.
they hated her because she spoke the truth
ive attracted seethe simply for pointing ts out. to me acting like the epstein files are remarkable at all is just so patently absurd. honestly it feels like borderline racism in a way. like you have all these liberals ready to "start a revolution" over ts and its like lol where was the revolution for all the children who have been murdered and raped in all of the pointless imperialist wars and coups our ruling class has caused? i just think "they only 'care' because white children got raped this time" just like people only 'care' about hitler because he decided to genocide white people instead of the usual browns. it is low autism score behaviour. i can understand a normalfag thinking this way but if you see yourself as a leftist you really need to hold yourself to a better standard. at the end of the day whether the capitalist is a child rapist or not doesn't actually matter, and honestly ive just taken for granted the fact that the international ruling class are probably all child rapists because laws only function to keep prole cattle in check while vaguely appeasing them. they do not have any objective reality. just as human rights do not have any objective reality, for if they did the us govt wouldnt be committing "war crimes" all the time in the name of oil or whatever
still, there are a lot of people who for whatever reason have never bothered to sit down and look at the world objectively for a few seconds to realize that obviously our system is necessarily corrupt. these people are even the majority of the human population. i can completely forgive these people for acting like the epstein files are an actually big deal because they simply do not know any better. with that said, there is genuinely nothing interesting to gather from this event. like always, in times of heightened dissent, any serious person should use the opportunity to pull some portion of the disillusioned masses into their movement. there is a positive rhetorical force in bringing up epstein, as even the social democrats have absolutely no response when you point out the quite blatant and wide spread corruption in the government they are supposedly trying to "peacefully reform". at the same time, it is rather likely that when gavin newsom or whatever the hell gets elected after trump gets scapegoated, we are all going to pretend that this whole debacle never happened. it is what it is. you just use the passing tactical opportunities as they come
i have a fun few paragraphs on the topic of the epstein files in the current huge blogpost i am writing but im not sure if i will be done writing all of it within the lifespan of the thread. if i do finish, i might post
>>2744367Indigenous women in the US and Canada are frequently kidnapped and sex trafficked yet you never hear a peep about them. I honestly don't believe anyone would have cared if Epstein was raping Black or Brown women. He's only seen as exceptional because all of his victims were white.
>>2742620Are you the mexican leftcom? How many of you are there?
>muh jooz
>muh trooooooooooomp
>muh ZOOOOOOOOOOOG
>muh epsteeeeeein
>>2744126>motivateThis dude doesnt believe in the working class. He thinks working class must be tricked and manipulated towards communism. Permaban this man NOW!!! DO IT NOW! PARTY DOESNT COMMAND AND GIVE ORDERS TO WORKERS!!! IT IS THE JOB OF WORKERS THEMSELVES TO LIBERATE THEMSELVES. THEY LEAD THEMSELVES THROUGH PARTY, or something.
>>2743939Isn't amerikkka the same?
Acting as if racism is behind is behind imperialism and the global economy?
>>2742620Liberals only care about the Epstein files more than radicals because:
- They think the files can win them elections
- The idea that rich people behave immorally due to their unlimited wealth and power is shocking to them, because they still adhere to the bullshit notion of good vs. bad rich people. I remember when liberals were fans of Elon Musk because his company made electric cars.
>>2742628>>2742635Here's an answer:
- Some people are being investigated. The fact that these files exist is because there was an investigation.
- While the files are public, the investigation is not. Don't let the fact that the investigative bodies don't live-tweet every detail of their work for your satisfaction fool you into thinking that nothing is happening.
- The DOJ is so intertwined with some of the people that are or would be investigated that it doesn't have an incentive to prioritize the investigation, nor to be transparent about the process.
- A lot of what you lot consider evidence and what some random dude on TikTok claims to be irrefutable evidence isn't actually evidence at all.
- Being "in the Epstein files" can mean anything from offhandedly being mentioned in an email once to being implicated as an accomplice. Still, that alone might not be sufficient evidence for a conviction, so more work needs to be done. Which leads to point 6:
- Investigations take time. While we want quick and speedy justice, that's just not feasible if we prioritize convictions over speed. Any minor mistake and crucial evidence can be dismissed by a good lawyer, and there goes the trial. If you want these people to actually be locked up, thorough investigation is much, much more in your interest than quick results.
Unless there are direct admission emails are unlikely to meet the criminal evidential burden of proof for rape or sexual offences. Most of the stuff people post about the files on social media are circumstantial at best and prejudicial at worse. You need a specific crime tied to a specific person with corroboration and charges that aren’t time-barred, not just “your name showed up in a document dump.”
>THEY'RE STILL EXPLOITING PROLES AND SHOULD BE OPPOSED ON THIS REASON ALONE.
Thing is proles themselves dont care about this as long as they have their grubhub and FYP.
>>2744146>>2744154Moral outrage gets you short-term results. The left's goal is long-term results.
>>2744458Two more weeks comrade
Getting really tired of the contrapoints fan base trying to excuse the Epstein crimes away which bizarrely they try to shroud in 'serious' or orthodox Marxism talking yet they themselves don't even have a Marxist understanding of how the entire nexus of organized crime and the military intelligence complex operates within the capitalist system.
I am having extreme fatigue caused people unironically thinking class analysis means treating the capitalist class as some sort indefinite blob floating in the sky like a cloud or something. Their understanding of 'class analysis' mirrors that more of orthodox theology than that of an actual materialist science.
>>2744425post written by chatgpt
>>2744501It's the same when you point out America's role in the capitalist system, they'll immediately start complaining about China and Russia and how really, all states are bourgeois and/or imperialist and really you shouldn't focus on one state in particular because actually it's much better if you just talk about capitalism as an amorphous undefined blob
>>2744518They forgot to complete the dialectic, after moving from the concrete to the abstract, you gotta go back down to the concrete
"Forgot"
>>2744102Some of you guys have such fucking weird inhuman takes. And the worst part is some of you actually think your takes are good. The path forward is obvious, but apparently some peoples decision making abilities and critical thinking skills make them go for the most fucked up, weird ass bad choices and need to be herded like they’re cattle.
>>2744458And moral outrage? These bastards are murdering, raping, torturing, pillaging, and razing civil society. All of this is a part of their pursuit to ruin our class, to destroy it. What we are dealing with right now is no mere moral outrage like the satanic panic, but rather logical outrage after seeing the full extent of the depravity of the class war, of the bourgeoisie, of their state apparatus.
We must use this outrage to form independence from the state, and to form true consciousness among the proletariat so we can truly resist against the bourgeoisie. Dismissals of opportunities given by increasing contradictions is not only suicidal, it is counter-revolutionary. Do not forget that.
less talk about epstein and more marxist talk about how china is capitalist, please
tvtropes banned me for adding Epstein Files under "Real Life" for /DecadentCourt, /HighClassCannibal, /theIlluminati and other related tropes
>>2744615Make your own thread for that
>>2744648Wouldn’t be surprised if that place just goes poof one day
It's deliberately planted schizo insanity that's taken on a life of its own. US-Israel imperial complex bombs Tehran? ITS JUST A DISTRACTION FROM DA ESPTEIN FILES
REMEMBER: you can prevent the rape of little girls BY THINKING ABOUT DA EPSTEIN FILES EVERY DAY ALL THE TIME
>>2744555Prove that this moral depravity is happening.
>>2744669Stopping people from talking about it doesn't do it either tho
>le satanic panic
One thing you have to understand about leftypol is that due to being genealogically linked to 4chan ane 8ch there is a core faction within the userbase and even within the mod team of braindead gooners/lolifags who will desperately try to excuse away and defame any accusation of (child) sexual abuse and momentum against different models of sexual exploitation because they view it for whatever reason as a threat against their own sexual libertinism and will smear it as being motivated by sexual conservative or even religious puritanism (apparently opposing the systematic exploitation of proletarian children makes you a prude now).
You guys come off as acting purely out of spite. Youre mad people didnt find socialism compelling enough before the Epstein drop so now you'd rather sabotage any attempt to use it tactically because youd rather never have more converts than have them convert for reasons you deem superficial. Od ask you how youre ever going to form a mass movement like that but I suspect youre just elitist MLs who dont want the public to have any say anyway.
>>2744699Most of this is true, but the
>le satanic panicConfuses me
>>2744715>use it tactically funny you accuse people of elitism when your whole plan is to try to manipulate
dumb cattle fellow workers towards your particular ideology
>>2744722Do you think class consciousness isagic? Do you think people just wake up one day realising it? The brain is an information processor, we need to feed people's brains information that can change their thought patterns or their thought patterns wont change.
One cannot force workers to act on a level higher than the level of their combativeness. You literally cannot and should not do it. You shouldnt try to manipulate people to do your epic plan. They will stop trusting you and at might even consider you an agent provocateur.
>>2744730Class consciousness resides in the party and not in any individual. You are not class consciouss. No individual is. Only the party is class conscious
>>2744733Do you seriously think Im stupid enough to fall for such blatant "shut your brain off trust the Dear Leader" garbage?
>>2744731What is not manipulating people?
>>2744731By this logic, you cant spread a left wing message at all. Any information exchange might change people's minds when they otherwise wouldnt have and thus is manipulation.
Are you actually reading what youre typng? This is nonsense.
>>2744741Look at North Korea. They are a sovereign strong country. It works.
>>2744750Theyre also not socialist and the proletariat are not free so who cares
>>2744757They are socialist as in the party that rules is a socialist one.
>>2744750>sovereign they depend on russia and china to even exist
>>2744759All countries are economically intertwined. Doesnt mean north korea isnt sovereign.
>>2744761And it is one of the few actually sovereign countries in the world.
The sovereignty of a state is irrelevant
>>2744758No it isnt. Its a propaganda tool to legitimise the monarchy.
>>2742620>Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?Yeah. My feeling has been, like, okay dude, you want to lock up all the Epstein associates? Go crazy. Put Hillary Clinton and Trump in jail. Clear out all the establishment types and replace them with different people. Maybe that would have some kind of effect at reforming the system, and that may have positive and good effects, but I'm emphasizing the word
reform because that's really what this is about. But I don't think it will change very mcuh.
>First of all, as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivor, I can tell you that sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law. Maybe it's because I'm a fag that I'm less shocked by it because, middle-aged men get together and horn out about teenage girls? Wow, I'm shocked. Like, maybe straight guys wouldn't just come out and say that's what they do because it'd make them look skeezy, but a lot of them do that in fact. Like, look at any porn website, a lot of teens (who are definitely 18 years old… according to the disclaimer) and they're wearing pigtails and playing that up. The Satanic sacrifice stuff is Q-Anon baloney. At any rate, people are fascinated by it because Epstein was rich, and at some level the fascination is because some of the people protest too much when really they also fantasize about having a private island and private jets and being able to do whatever they want, meanwhile this kind of stuff around sex trafficking goes on all the time within the working class. It's not good, it's just not rare or exotic, it's the reality for too many working-class women who are treated as disposable.
>Liberals are even going to far as to call the current Iran War the "Epstein-AIPAC War", not just because Trump launched the war to distract from the Epstein files, but because Netanyahu has all the Epstein blackmail material on Trump and is using this to coerce him into going to war for Israel. This of course completely ignores how American Empire works … But in all seriousness: Epstein serves the Democrats way more than it serves the radical left. I'm sick and tired of hearing about the "Epstein Class" as if the presence of the ultra-wealthy is somehow a bug and not a feature of capitalism. The term "Epstein class" was coined by Ro Khanna, a Democratic politician. At any rate, Epstein is ultimately a scapegoat for the system. That doesn't make him innocent, I mean in terms of the ideological function his serves.
>>2744132>We’re specifically talking about an American legal context here. Liberals think they can use the Epstein files to finally get Trump removed from office and locked up, and I’m saying there’s no chance of that happening at all. I agree with you about this too. The criminal "justice" system is also not about finding the truth to begin with. That's not what the police or feds do, what they do is find enough evidence to build a case to secure a conviction. At any rate, people have let their fantasies run wild about Epstein, you can't prove a negative, so I can't prove Epstein wasn't eating children, so it's a bottomless pit. So liberals can't get what they want out of this. But it's not really about Epstein, it's a useful historical accident in the moment that they can use against Trump to help them win the midterms.
>>2744548that didn't explain anything
you are a pseud and you will reply (if you even dare replying) with a bunch of nothing again
check yourself
>>2744127>Nothing can be done, you cannot do nothing wahhh.Crazy that you are the one going around calling others democratic party shepherd when you talk like the average dem consultant.
>>2744907Theoretically, what evidence would the feds need to mass-arrest all the people named in the Epstein files, apart from “he did XYZ to me”?
>>2744655it really is too bad, since tvtropes and the Epstein files are very synergistic. Both lend themselves well to "going down the linkhole" and seeing how things are interrelated.
>>2744699I have not seen that here. I'm pretty sure all the infinitechan pedos have been scared off to 4chan
>>2744501Utah Phillips: “The Earth is not dying, it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses.”
Same goes for cannibalistic pedos. They have names and addresses. Although I'm not sure extreme classicide of the entire bourgeois and petty bourgeois class would truly end capitalism.
Idk how you can be tired of the Epstein stuff because it's the biggest break in recent memory in the dam holding people back from class consciousness. The fact that the people who own the world are doing the most depraved shit they can imagine opens the door to make everyone question the nature of their power and what it implies that our entire society is built around these demonic psychos holding onto power.
>>2744987what's needed are show trials like Stalin had during the purges. They're all rich fucks and that should be reason enough to send them to the chair
>>2745007most of the algorithms are already pinning the blame on da jooz rather than the capitalist class. Look up threads and posts about it on schizogram, there's always a juicebox emoji.
Epstein was just one player in this giant shadow economy of rich fucks trying to one up each other on who's most depraved and vile.
It was being covered by almost all players until the nazi wing of the bourgeoisie decided this would make the "jewish question" iron hot enough to strike. Which is why pinning this on jews is pivotal for them.
Obviously the nazi tards have been (and are still) heavily involved with all this debauchery and are likely just as bad if not worse, so all the redactions to the documents are needed for them to put themselves as the saviors instead of just another head of the beast.
The whole Epstein debacle is basically a deep state interbourgeousie civil war between actual hitlerites and zionists as these are the most influential and bloodthirsthy factions within the ameriKKKan security apparatus, and the casualty will be (You), (You)r family and everything (You) hold dear.
oh and the "comrades" refusing to use this for propaganda are 100% glownigs and/or wreckers btw
>>2745007>our entire society is built around these demonic psychosPeople thought the Davos conspiracy was using COVID to control us and force us into some eco-austerity regime and they voted for Trump to make Klaus Schwab go away. But people feel like the world is out of control, so they try to feel that
somebody is in control and they're depraved and that's the problem rather than thinking nobody is really in control, and that we're really facing up to capital (rather than a cabal) as an impersonal force, which is much more terrifying. Actually, the capitalist system can say that the real problem are cannibalistic perverts behind the scenes and we just need to get rid of them. In other words it's ideology. Okay you can get rid of everyone who associated with Epstein and everyone over the age of 50 while we're at it except for a few pure ones and have Ro Khanna as president, and maybe people will fill a sense of justice in that (no objection from me), but then what. Like it doesn't seem it's going to accomplish that much. It seems more like, the Republicans and Trump and the bad Democrats standing in the way of the progressive Democrats. Alright.
>>2745007>it's the biggest break in recent memory in the dam holding people back from class consciousness. like the other anon says, it does delegitimize the ruling elite but stuff like this just as equally veers people toward schizo conspiracism. and frankly, conspiracism involving jews, reptilians, malign forces are, as i see it, are more appealing than actual class politics for most people, cause like any good story it conspiracist shit is highly emotional, dramatic, adds much more dramatic flair and mysticism to the ruling classes than does the more straightforward materialist explanation. That is why propaganda and religion work in the first place and continue to work, because its emotionally appealing and is more comforting, especially with the absence of any meaningful class politics in the modern world.
>>2742620>as a cis woman who is also a sexual assault survivorI'm a cis male but #metoo. I love you comrade wherever you are. Thanks for being so based, thanks for being you.
>>2742852The USA-Israel-Russia connection is really about the cold war and anti-Communism which is always the vanguard of fascism. The Epstein stuff should be seized upon by socialists because this kind of glowie organized crime stuff is directly tied to anti-Communism and class warfare.
>>2745106TRVKE.
TY based comrade Gay Nazi
>>2744987That there was a massive sex trafficking ring that the elites knew about and covered up.
>>2742620Hey anon, what inspired this post?
I think it sounds very reasonable, just some confusions, that which I don't think I have.
Like cant we do the imperialism analysis with the baby eating pedos? It's the pinnacle of the corruption of the societal power imbalance.
Or what about Trump is being blackmailed by the zionists, but still can benefit from the oil?
Similar with the "Epstein class", it is a feature and not a bug, so wouldnt calling them the epstein class be a nice friendly reminder of who is on what's side?
(Though maybe it underplays those not in the files roles).
> Democrats are now going to embrace anti-Zionism in the context of the alleged Epstein-Israel blackmail as a way of portraying themselves as the "peace party" like they did in the 2000sWith how aipac meddled with the Illinois election, it might not be so true:
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/18/aipac-israel-illinois-primary-results-00833615>>2742705General leftist program of the exploitation and better life they could live but the government chooses not to do (like 90 billion dollars spend in one month by Trump cronie, which could've paid for a year's worth of healthcare and college education) – plus the pedophile degeneracy they're doing instead.
It's like you know how a chud rewatches liveleak videos of black people killing white people to radicalize themselves(?) – that can be a motivator for others.
>>2742620You are exactly right, in fact we should just forget about Jeffery all together!
>WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT if the ruling class are baby-eating Satan-worshipping Illuminati?
I do.
>>2745994The only people who don't care about the pedo cabal ruling the world are either part of it and want the story to go away or people who only care about themselves and are willing to look the other way. Their resignation that this status quo is immovable is at odds with the rest of the world that seeks justice and accountability. It's not a purely political issue and it's not going away.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: It's always been this way. Read Sade
>>2745964And how is this different from the general anti-capitalism that the left promotes?
It also doesn’t seem like the Epstein scandal is turning people anti-capitalist at all.
the fact that there was not massive waves of unrest and straight random violence means US is totally cucked/cooked
but yeah any 'big thing' is always equally an opportunity for those who control media and discourse to introduce confusion
OP is right in theory and wrong in optics, class analysis is boring and calling the rich pedos which arguably alot of them are can incite the proletariat to action, if it does then GOOD
>>2746205>It also doesn’t seem like the Epstein scandal is turning people anti-capitalist at all.uygha you idiots should be educating and agitating through it instead of wokescolding other leftists for whatever is popular to use as sectarian nagging this week
>>2746087>>2746119You both have excellent taste.
>>2742958It will take some kind of "Mad Dads" vigilante group to bring justice by hunting them down individually.
Assuming most of the child sex slaves weren't sold by their parents to Jizz-laine in the first place.>>2742952We live in a state of class war and the ruling class attacks and kills us with near-impunity. We cannot rely on their laws or their justice system to bring them to heel. Their class position is enough justification.
>>2745070No, you do have a point. Some of the epstein files stuff seems too "on the nose" and similar to previous race conspiracy hoaxes. A cannibalistic Jewish pedophile is controlling the world's governments from a private island? It's almost beyond belief for the average sanie. Not that I doubt the contents! But the info is being released in an intentional way.
I think this, alongside the livestreaming of Israeli psychopathy for over a year, could be easily used to scapegoat the entire Jewish population around the world of these crimes, rather than capitalists and imperialists.
That's why our job here is so important.
Honestly Epstein is just going to become and remembered as the American version of Rasputin
>Am I the only one on here with Epstein fatigue?
Nope. For me its funny on so many levels that americans voted a child rapist not once but twice as their president. Flood.
>>2742620It's actually pretty funny how liberals went from:
>"shut up about Palestine and focus on the ELECTION, we need to BEAT TRUMP and VOTE HARRIS"To:
>"free Palestine, Palestine is LITERALLY Ukraine, Trump is a puppet of both Israel and Russia, Jewish supremacists are identical to Evangelicals!" >>2749813Liberals will be pro-Israel again as soon as Trump turns against Bibi.
Epstein hysteria is a perfect example of why we call antisemitism the socialism of fools.
>>2742620Anyone who thinks: "it's da JOOOOOOOOZ" is an opportunist. Only a complete moron plays into antisemitism.
>>2756764>Epstein hysteriathe bourgeoisie is sex trafficking kids bro
>>2767127There is no evidence Epstein was a pimp beyond hearsay.
>>2767132really proving that all claims about hysteria over this really is just thinley veiled apologia
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