Fuck this guy. I’m tired of seeing liberals and even “principled” leftists like Jacobin Mag prop him up as the greatest thing to happen to American leftism, like he’s sone kind of modern-Day William Z Foster.
In reality, Mamdani is a total fraud. He’s pandered to Zionists even before taking office. Then after taking office he’s sucked up to Chabad-Lubavitcher which is a satanic racist Jewish supremacist org with ties to the Russian mafia and Zionist entity. Why? He’s even thrown his own wife under the bus for working with Palestinian liberation activist Susan Abdulhawa. I guess he thinks kosher feelings outweigh Palestinian lives. He hasn’t done anything he’s promised in making NYC a cheaper and easier place to live. And yet delusional leftists still love and support him.
If Mamdani was truly principled he’d make it illegal to be a Zio in NYC. Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism. Track donations to the IOF from Jewish orgs. Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity. Get ICE to deport anyone with Zionist entity citizenship ( I hear there are a lot of them in Brooklyn and Queens). Ban AIPAC and all other pro-Zionist groups. Shut down businesses like Eichler’s which routinely sell Zionist products.
Mamdani ran on the basis of defying the Zionist Lobby so he needs to keep his promises.
>>2746538He's no different than AOC, but considering the size and prominence that NYC has not only in the US but as the capitol for international capital it's important to pay attention.
Much moreso than platner running in bumfuck midwest nowhere.
>>2746538>Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism.are you crazy or retarded? you realize jewish people are a big constituency in NYC? if mamdani were to monitor synagogues he will be voted out of office.
>>2746538>Fuck this guy. I’m tired of seeing liberals and even “principled” leftists like Jacobin Mag prop him up as the greatest thing to happen to American leftism, like he’s sone kind of modern-Day William Z Foster. Really? 9/10 I ever hear about him is from posters like you screaming their head off about him for like 5 words he said.
You’re suffering from Mamdani Derangement Syndrome. Cry harder, rightoid.
>>2746693
it's the Empire city and the beating heart of capitalism
>this leftist isn't leftist enough so I want him gone
You people cannot convince me you're not glowies. Why else would you refuse to accept any W that isn't absolutely perfect?
>>2746701The W of appointing Jessica Tisch as Police Commissioner.
You are a glowie if you don't like that. Am Yisrael Chai!
>>2746609Hasn't he already been voted in ? Isn't "democracy" when you're unaccountable for the next 4-5 years ?
I remember Finkelstein praising Mamdani for not backpedaling when the media started the faux-outrage over him not condemning Globalize the Intifada, but then immediately afterwards Mamdani started condemning anti-Zionist speech lol.
>>2746723a curb your enthusiasm for our goat.
>>2746701Since when is pandering to genocidal Jews a “leftist” position?
>>2746701>this leftistThe democratic party is a right-wing party with a small group of center-left recuperators that are to the right of FDR but LARP as social-democrats, the point of their existence is to keep the american cattle that identifies with leftist ideas politically neutralized inside the electoralist spectacle of the genocidal and ecocidal uniparty.
>>2746538When China is not doing anything radical and playing the long game working around Trump's America:
> Based!!!!! Greatest country evar!!When Mandani does it:
> WHAT THE HITLER??? Oh my badempanada!!! I cant believe how reactionary he is!!!!!!!!!!! He hasnt even raped a jew once in office in protest of israel, and 0 people are comparing him to Foster???? 😭😭😭😭😭😭 yeah op i don't entirely trust mandani either (he is a politician, after all, and his mum had epstein ties however minor) but he's doing what he can, i guess
New york city real wage status
>>2746797>I cant believe how reactionary he isway to miss the point, everyone thats not retarded expected him to be reactionary because he is a democrat and thats what a democrat will always be
>>2746809No I didnt miss the point.
Mamdani was understood to be a useful agent of provgressive politics being done which would enable overton window shifts to the left – other than gaffs on messaging, we still dont know if he'll be just another xemocrat until after a year or 3.
Instead of recognizing that, you're chudding out for him not harassing jews at synagogues or inviting FUCKING ICE to deal with zionists, not doing so is "Jewish supremacy"
Shut the fuck up
>If Mamdani was truly principled he’d make it illegal to be a Zio in NYC.
I didn't realize the mayor had that kind of unilateral power.
You're fatigued with everything because you use twitter and are thus overexposed to it. Stop using twitter.
>>2746551i hate zohran leftoid ideology but these are some hitlerite radlib arguments
>>2746867Sorry ultra but the people's police will be funded
>>2746842>Mamdani was understood to be a useful agent of provgressive politicsyou are the one being used by the democrats, when democrats are involved "progressive politics" just means neoliberalism, you are the definition of an useful idiot
>would enable overton window shiftsthe overton window is not a real thing, its an unscientific meme concept some lolbertarian came up with lmao
>we still dont know if he'll be just another xemocrat until after a year or 3.maybe you don't know it, people who are not idealists understand he already is one, even if he doesn't want to
>>2746766>>Jew feelings get hurt>>Ziohran: *calls press conference and poses with Jewish supremacist rabbi*NYC is one of the most Jewish cities in the world. Of fucking course the mayor would hold a press conference over an antisemitic incident.
>>2746538>American leftismNonexistant and shouldnt be something to waste time on.
>this guy that agrees with me on 99% of things don't behave like a spaz punching way above his weight so he's a piece of shit jewish nigger
I'm getting really tired of that type of leftism. Completely inneffective, moralistic and emotional. You are a BPD chick in a mans body.
>>2747213"Purity testing" = "I'm a liberal playing teamsports who doesn't care if my elected representative backpedals on everything promised"
>>2747216He never promised to get the jews out of NYC bro that's what his corporate opponents hallucinated. He never hid being a philosemite and lots of NYC orthodox voted for him.
>>2747216If you want someone to take your complaints seriously maybe instead of tirades about le Jewish supremacy or Jewish feelings, you should explain if you have a fundamental disagreement with Zohran. As a hater of his administration I haven't seen a single good argument ITT, you could copypaste the OP on /pol/ without mention of Jacobin mag and it wouldn't be out of place which just goes to show how retarded his twitter activist opposition is.
new trend : create dogshit threads with "x fatigue" as the title
>>2747233I'm experiencing socialism of fools fatigue
>>2747213They're not trying to be effective, they're trying to signal they are more left wing than you. It's a form of ideological hyperinflation.
>>2747250What they're really achieving is showing how they're essentially incapable of nothing but idpol screeching and anti-war activism. All demands, no description of what material conditions would need to change to end imperialism, and less than zero action to follow through on that. I'm glad the proletariat doesn't take the activist left seriously, because if they did it would facilitate the second coming of Adolf Hitler
>>2747235
All cops are Zios
>>2746538Post is glowtastic!
Chopped cheese city doesn’t matter, it’s not 2001 anymore, the entire city coukd be flattened and not a single haute bourgeois’ portfolio would be affected
>>2747542
After 3 years of genocide on camera you’re allowed to call it Jew York City, the problem with Jews is not that they’re an oriental subversive interloper, they’re not just white, but the brahmins of the white racist caste system. You and them are the same, all conflict between you two is the narcissism of small differences.(Reactionary)
>>2747232
No you are gigga epstine
>>2747553
the power of white christian billionaires wont trickle down either lil bro
>>2747553
Wealth doesn’t trickle down among hindus either, yet Hindutva thrives
>>2747543This. Mamdani needs to start shutting down Zionist synagogues and call in ICE to deport “Israelis” back to Poland.
>>2747235
>genuine /pol/ level seething about da joos
>>2747553
>DA WHITE RACE!!!
if moderators dont do something about the stormfaggotry in this website, it will become another epsteinite shithole by the end of the year. this is how they got 4chan
>>2747543I always suspected that the end goal of Zionism is an establishment of Hindutva-esque religious caste system with Jews as "Brahmin", Christians as "Kshatriya", Muslims as "Vaishya" and everyone else as "Shudra".
>>2747578That would be Noahidism as the Kshatriya.
>>2747573Talmudism is disgusting and should be rightfully abolished.
>>2747705These zio obsessed people are full schizo but its the current thing and they are in the loop.
>>2746538>A "socialist" willing to work within the liberal system becomes part of the zionist clan insteadMany such cases. There are no political solutions that can implement fundamental change
>>2747770>There are no political solutionsThere is nothing more political than revolutionary violence.
This socdem is just funny cause It makes islamists seethe
Mamdani was just celebrating Ramadan with Muslim prisoners at Riker’s Island. When has a city mayor ever done something that progressive?
>>2748054>oh look heres a guy whos a dr. who talks about the zios! hilariously bad attempt by chinlets
>Doesn’t like Mandani who is a socialist
>Has a Z flag meaning he supports Putin’s imperialist invasion of Ukraine
>>2747705this guy is an ideological white supremacist and a crank
>>2748250That’s called virtue signalling, you mong.
>>2746776FYI, the city tried banning it like 13 years ago when all this heroes stuff came out and failed, because it was way too hard to regulate. Nobody wants a cop at their son’s bris overseeing what the mohel does. Plus, how many bris ceremonies happen a day in NYC? The Ultra-Orthodox community in the city is huge.
>>2746538guided effortlessly by material forces, He has become the most fabulous of tools for the bourgeoisie. It's almost worse then a CIA plant.
>>2747543>"Jews oppress whites"This is literal Nazi rhetoric.
only civil wars and revolutions change things, politics is noise
>>2746776Why do you care about what the Ultra-Orthodox do? How does it affect you in any meaningful way?
>>2747769What does this have to do with NYC policy?
>>2746538>>2746551The solution here is that Mamdani should keep his mouth shut when it comes to Palestine and all other conflicts going on overseas. His supporters are turning on him because he specifically ran on an anti-imperialist/pro-Palestine platform, and his victory was largely seen as a victory against the AIPAC lobby.
Just because people are tired of Zioids screeching about muh feels and 'anti-semitism' that doesn't make going on about 'Tamudic Jews' etc okay. This shit is tiresome now. Just saying in these circles now "come on you are just being flagrantly antisemitic" gets "hurr durr Jewish feelings much" so is it that you are tired about cynical allegations of AS with completely batshit definitions of AS or that you just don't care about not being AS in general anymore
Many of the haredim who do the gross bris sucking stuff are not Zionist. Doesn't mean they're anti-Zionist like pro Palestine activists but many are religiously opposed to Zionism so folding in stuff about them into denunciations against Zionism just shows people mean Jews in general. A lot of those people are a different kettle of fish altogether (not denying they have weird and retrograde views)
>>2746538Idk what some people mean by Zionist at this point anymore because some evidently mean by it that nothing other than returning the ethno-religious demographics of Palestine to what they were in like 1850 will do and that seven million Jews there will just "go back to Poland hurr durr" (half of them come from middle eastern countries). By this definition people who want one state with equal rights and reparations for Palestinians and a right of return for them are 'Zionists'
>>2749697>By this definition people who want one state with equal rights and reparations for Palestinians and a right of return for them are 'Zionists'You would actually be shocked at the number of pro-Palestine activists who unironically say and believe this.
American politics is all about vibes and larping.
>>2746776Why are goyim obsessed with Jewish genitalia?
>>2750741The mutilations WILL stop
>>2746776No, Chabad doesn’t do MBP anymore. The only Jewish sects that still do it like that are the Satmar and Neturei Karta.
>>2749685>Many of the haredim who do the gross bris sucking stuff are not Zionist. Doesn't mean they're anti-Zionist like pro Palestine activists but many are religiously opposed to Zionism so folding in stuff about them into denunciations against Zionism just shows people mean Jews in general.They're just highly visibly Jewish in addition to being weird yeah. The Chabad Lubavitch types won't rock with Palestine activists for sure, but they don't rock Israeli flags because they think they're not supposed to go back until messiah arrives, and if they're dead then their corpses will go rolling there in an underground tunnel and then pop out from underneath Jerusalem. (I had to look this up.)
>>2750741>Why are goyim obsessed with Jewish genitalia?Castration anxiety. They often got circumcised themselves. They lack "it." What is it? It's a thing you lost but never had, that would make us feel whole the moment we have it. But we can never have it so it's an impossible desire of returning to an elusive mythical state of being whole/one.
The Jew is a pathological object of projection.
>>2750741Jealousy and envy
>>2751384He is only ceding to Zionist narratives while doing literally nothing to actually combat Zionism. So what's your basis for finding the descriptor "Zionist" so absurd?
>I will harp on about how it's a line too far to protest at Synagogues even though West Back land sales happen all the time there! Oh and we must pray by the grave of Mister<An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness. … A Jew was not created as a means for some purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all emanations was created only to serve the Jews.>and also I love Jessica Tisch and chose her even though she fucking hates Pro-Palestine protesters and would never go along with my campaign promises about arresting Netanyahu if he visited (isnt it so hip when the relatable politician just lies to your face?) And also ooo I condemn the horrible antisemitism, the evil vile rhetoric from fucking years old Instagram likes saying Palestinian resistance is OK and that the mass rape hoax didn't happen. This certainly doesn't aid Zionist narratives at all. Not a single West Bank land sale has been pushed against by Mamdani in any significant manner, even considering the limit tools he has access to.
>inb4 why do you care about a mayor of the city which is the most important to Zionism outside of Israel, arguably moreso than DC, its fine if he lies to my face during the campaign so long as he looks handsome doing it >>2751448What can Mamdani realistically do about this?
>>2751452At minimum he should not keep tisch as police chief. Her family literally owns the giants and huge billion dollar businesses with family of her tied to Epstein amongst many of other things
A person with these type of connections should never run the police. This is not even getting into how Zionist her family is and her giving a lot of money to Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Tisch >>2751460The city of NYC should compensate the pilots’ families since ATC fucked up hard.
>>2751452Label Chabad-Lubavitch as a Jewish supremacist terrorist organization and ban them and all members from NYC.
>>2751384i have never heard a single "palestinian nationalist" call Zohran zionist. What I have heard however is tons of people use him as an example of the reactionary nature of social democracy. What I have heard is people on leftypol calling him zionist. For Palestinians, he is not even on their radar. They have more important things to worry about, like not dying.
>>2752418Hipsters specifically voted for Zohran because they believed a victory for Zohran was a victory against the Israel Lobby. Of course they’re going to demand he become a full-blown Hamasnik and won’t settle for anything less, due to their fantasies.
>>2752567
And what is Zohran supposed to do in order to make Israel Palestine again, dumbass?
>>2746538>Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity.Isnt that the comptroller's job?
FWIW Zohran will fail, but he is failing in a way that delegitimise the political system. People are seeing an actual mayor in charge while seeing him get screwed over by the media and establishment. It is ripe for radicalization. Posts like OP imply that there is somehow a correct way of being a correct socialist in a system not designed for them, which I find very silly and pointless.
>>2752645He kept tisch as the cop. That was his choice
At minimum he should not keep tisch as police chief. Her family literally owns the giants and huge billion dollar businesses with family of her tied to Epstein amongst many of other things
A person with these type of connections should never run the police. This is not even getting into how Zionist her family is and her giving a lot of money to Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Tisch >>2752576This. NYC has ZERO significance to Zionism.
>>2752652New York City has zero significance to Zionism? Then explain why Zionist organizations just spent over $20 million trying to defeat a mayoral candidate there and lost. Explain why the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, and a coalition of rabbis mobilized against Zohran Mamdani with a ferocity rarely seen in municipal politics, treating a New York City election as if the future of the Zionist project hung in the balance. They poured money into attack ads, issued statements branding a duly elected mayor "antisemitic" before he even took office, and launched what one commentator called a "witch hunt" to undermine him before his term began. That is not the behavior of a movement for whom the city has no significance. That is the behavior of a movement that understands New York as important to its nerve center in USA.
Let us look at the historical record. In 1967, when Israel faced an existential crisis, it was New York that staged the largest pro-Israel parade in American history with 45,000 marchers, 178 organizations, a demonstration of political and financial muscle that made clear where the center of Zionist power in the diaspora resided. In the decades since, New York has remained the headquarters of nearly every major Zionist institution and NGO, the ADL, AIPAC, the Conference of Presidents, the Jewish Federations. These organizations do not locate themselves in cities of "zero significance." They locate themselves where the money is, where the political leverage is, where the media attention is, where the Jewish population, the largest in the diaspora is concentrated.
If New York had no significance to Zionism, why did the Israeli government lobby New York City to adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism, a definition explicitly designed to conflate anti-Zionism with Jew-hatred? Why did the incoming mayor's first acts rescinding that definition and lifting restrictions on BDS participation send shockwaves through the Zionist establishment and provoke immediate cries of alarm from groups like the Holocaust Memorial and Tolerance Center? Because they know what you are pretending not to, that New York is not just *a* battleground for Zionism in USA; it is the battleground.
Even the existence of a substantial anti-Zionist Jewish movement in New York with Jewish Voice for Peace, IfNotNow, the rabbis who signed "Jews for a Shared Future" proves the point. These groups chose New York as their staging ground precisely because it is where the battle over the soul of American Jewry is being waged. They are not organizing in Wichita. They are organizing in the city that matters most to them.
So let us not pretend. New York is the financial capital of the Zionist project in America. It is the media capital. It is the political capital. It is the site of the largest concentration of Jewish institutional power in the diaspora, and it is the place where that power has faced its most significant electoral defeat in decades. To claim "zero significance" is not proper analysis. And it does not survive the first glance at reality.
>>2752650Has Tisch acted out poorly under Zohran?
>That was his choiceThis is exactly what I am talking about. You think he has choice but you still has faith in the American democracy. You are a reformist in denial.
>>2752675Realistically, how would Mamdani defeat Zionism in NYC? What steps would he have to take aside from getting rid of Tisch?
>>2752696
You don't get the socdem treats. Supposing all the policies he ran on actually pass, it doesn't reduce either the dependence of workers on the labor market nor does it give them a second more of free time. You'll get to leave your kid at daycare and get on the bus to work for free.
>>2746538>>2746551One thing I don't get about anti-Zionists (maybe you guys can clarify this for me):
If Israel were to collapse due to lack of US support, a failing economy, and an invasion by Iran/Hezbollah, how can we be sure this would be beneficial at all to the Palestinians?
I assumed Palestinian lives and freedom were our primary goal, right? If Israel collapsed politically-speaking, wouldn't it simply cause more conflict in the region? Anti-Zionists (I hate to say "Palestinian nationalists" because the Palestinians themselves are almost an afterthought here) just take it for granted that Israel collapsing would lead to all conflicts in the SWANA ceasing. Wouldn't Israel's collapse simply mimic that of Yugoslavia, whereby multiple wars and massacres took place as a result? Or what happened in Libya when Gaddafi was overthrown by NATO? Or when the USSR broke up and there was mass calamity for years including a handful of wars in the Caucuses (Armenia vs. Azerbaijan, Georgia, Chechnya, etc.)?
It seems like anti-Zionists place all their eggs in one basket with the idea that Israel will collapse, then the Palestinians will launch another October 7th from Gaza and the West Bank with Hezbollah and Iran joining in this time, and then all Jews will flee and the Palestinians will take back their great-grandfathers' homes as if '48 never happened. Am I wrong about this? Seriously though, why act as if any of this scenario is a guarantee?
>>2752854everything is just like heckin vietnam, which means that every governing body fighting a us proxy has the same legitimacy as the vietnamese communists and things will just work out if you #resist harder or do some ebin adventurism
>>2752854People who obsess over a “collapse” aren’t serious.
>>2746538Eh, I don't care. I'm not a New Yorkian so it doesn't affect me. Besides, America as a collective are Jew dicksuckers on both sides of the aisle, so if what you're saying is true, then it's nothing new. Look at Trump, he's one of the biggest Jew dicksuckers and yet MAGAtards seem to overlook that despite our current conflict in Iran. I mean, we're literally Netanyahu's attack dog for crying out loud.
Besides besides, you're probably just a stealth groyper trying to sow discord under the auspices of being "woke" over Israel. Yeah, Israel sucks. Yeah, we shouldn't support them, but it's not antisemitic to say that, even though I also think they shouldn't be entitled to an ethnostate. Basically, I don't hate Jews or even Israel, I just think that money would be better spent here at home. Just because you can get me to agree to be anti-Israel doesn't mean you'll get me to agree to be antisemitic, is what I'm saying.
>>2753277
How does Tisch affect Palestine?
>>2753287
They also own that art school right
>>2752854Colonial Algeria collapsed, the French settlers fled and Algeria became a beacon of anti-colonial freedom. Our goal is to destroy Zionism. Who cares how many Palestinians have to be sacrificed in order to achieve this? They are willing to die for their land because they know the sanctity of the land transcends Eurocentric views about life and comforts.
>>2753292Yes. They own Tisch School of the Arts at NYU. NYU is a notoriously Zionist school which has outright banned any criticism of Zionism or genocide. It is against university policy to be vocally supportive of Palestine.
Also, ultra-Zionist Clive Davis owns an affiliate school called the Clive Davis Music Institute which is a branch of Tisch. Davis is a downright evil man.
NYU needs to be boycotted because if this.
Do they want to fuel actual anti-semitism or are they just idiots that think they are not?
big ups to the free childcare lad, keep whining about stupid wrecker shit, no one in real life cares
>>2753373What antisemitism?
>>2752854It’s not about “Palestinian lives” but about eradicating the racist, colonial, genocidal, apartheid ideology of Zionism. Who cares what happens after the Zionist entity collapses? Not our problem.
>>2752854ideally the zionists of the world would be put into isolated swaths of land-communities where they are reeducated.
>>2753373No one cares about your antisemitism delusions.
>>2753366>>2753487>Who cares how many Palestinians have to be sacrificed>It’s not about “Palestinian lives”Thank you for proving that you're psychopaths.
>>2754054That doesn't answer my question at all. Why do you believe a sudden collapse of Israel would be the way to ensure Palestinian freedom?
>>2754184vacuous nonresponse, natlib is completely bankrupt post-ww2 lol
If NATO is keeping Israel and Zionism because they need it to exert power in the region… How does that measure against national liberation? Feels like engaging with the facade and not the root of the problem which is imperialism.
Say, if you unfurl the circumstances of dismantling Zionism. A situation in which the USA/NATO must lose a(n existential) fight to keep it going at all costs and then NATO economies go to the shitter along the petrodollar. As well as a wave of conflict in which the compradors will probably be ousted and even the colonial inherited borders redefined. And probably a worse global crisis over the future of gulf hidrocarbons as now….
How many "pro-Palestine" people, or states, are on board with those terms? I bet only a tiny fraction of those moved by the genocide or cold war opportunism would support the actual terms of Palestinian liberation. Certainly no-fucking-body in NATO that's for sure.
>>2754270 (me)
Like, Israel and by extension Zionism is always going to have the full backing of NATO. Internally, they have already gotten away with exterminating the resistance. They are about to literally pass the law that would enable Israel to start mass executing what should be considered, at the very least, prisoners of war.
There is no anti-capitalist power in this cold war, nobody from outside is going to aim straight at the heart of US hegemony. And from inside, well you see what happens within Palestine. If it's the support of NATO citizens what Palestinian activists seek, to undermine Israel, then maybe the framing should be political and honest about the implications.
Instead of a kind of wishy washy humanism, hoping to do the PR equivalent of BDS. Because BDS and all the activism already failed to impair, at all, the genocide in Gaza, the soon to be annexation of the west bank and probably the mass settling of both, alongside southern Lebanon. Feelings and vibes have been no match for the PR industry. Besides producing oh-so-damning polls.
>>2754256Natlib pretty much only emerged post-Dien Bien Phu
>>2754184How would Israel collapsing benefit the Palestinians when all it would do is lead to a wave of chaos?
>>2754676Instead of fedjacketing, how about responding to the argument?
>>2754564Because the current status quo is about them being killed en masse, so actually stopping the government approved genocide will obviously improve their lives, even in the worst scenario
That's like asking why would it benefit animals currently getting slaughtered if you blew up the factory ?
>>2754712I don't hold honest discussions with people who are Zionist, I either look to dishonestly denounce them or brainwash them. Inb4 "IM NOT ZIONIST", well if you aint anti-zionist, i got news for ya……
>>2754743And what would be the ultimate result if this collapse? Mass chaos? Civil war? More Palestinians would be mass-slaughtered right off the bat.
>>2754750The most obvious german jew.
>>2754768Can you answer me?
>>2754750The butchering eventually stops instead of continuing till it's finished? You dumb or what?
>>2755141That assumes the Israelis would lose.
>>2754750So true. The Security of the Jewish State = the Security of the Arab Israelis. Anyone who isn't speaking out of western privilege understands that Israel is the greatest country in the Middle East. Am Yisrael Chai.
>>2754184Based Glownonymous.
>>2752854Desire for collapse only comes once people feel powerless to change the situation. In this case, no one can do anything about Israel except bullshit protests and boycotts, so they put all their faith in a collapse scenario. They aren't serious.
>>2755280Okay, and how does Mamdani not liking this woman have anything to do with city policy in NYC?
>>2748359You don't need a cop to *prevent* a harmful practice. You just put a big ass penalty with minimum prison times and potentially child abuse charges. And the next time an infant catches Herpes or whatever you throw the books at the mohel, the synagogue and the parents and set an example.
I mean, you don't put a cop in every catholic church to prevent the priests from diddling children either.
>>2755280Who cares? I want free buses and free childcare.
>>2752553Most Palestine activism is merely a symbolic crusade (vid related).
The people who voted for Mamdani are now coping by claiming it was never about his actual policies but merely exposing the Israel lobby as a paper tiger. Very noticeable change of goalposts. They know he can’t do shit and won’t do shit.
>>2755899A city mayor has no effect on US foreign policy. You should be judging Zohran by the things he can change, not by the things he can't.
>>2756654What makes you think so?
>>2746538On the contrary, judging him on anti-zionism specifically, while he is still left of center on that issue anyway, is peak idpol.
>>2746797this
If modern socialists were truly principled, they would have cancelled Karl "Jewish nigger" Marx for a million reasons.
i am smart
>>2746701God damn you are retarded
>>2746797Drop dead please 🖕
>Be American
>The TV just told me this guy is good
>I think he is good
<Someone asks me why
>I just repeat what the TV said
>They say something I don't understand because it isn't on TV
>Are they stoopid?
>>2757889Mamdani literally jumped in front of the exploding shrapnel to save this man and people still call him zionist
>>2755946>The people who voted for Mamdani are now coping by claiming it was never about his actual policies idk i see interviewers with actual new yorkers and they're pissed at him for cucking out to the NYPD mostly. naturally americans don't care about foreign policy
>>2758188Real communists would rather die than work with the cops and feds.
>>2755946>The people who voted for Mamdani are now coping by claiming it was never about his actual policies but merely exposing the Israel lobby as a paper tiger. Very noticeable change of goalposts. They know he can’t do shit and won’t do shit.This is indicative that they voted not because of any particular platform but because they followed a trend in the culture war. They voted for "their side" and perceive criticism of Ziohran as a threat to "their side" in a culture war spat. It just so happens that "their side" is PR run by the DNC.
>>2753366Decolonization largely failed because it was waged along lines of ethnic nationalism, rather than class.
Why should the mayor of NYC care about Palestine at all? His first priority is New Yorkers, not Palestinian nationalists overseas.
>>2751455Yet Tisch saved the life of Nerdeen Kiswani.
>>2760973Exactly. For all I care, those West Bank land sales boost the GDP of New York, thus encouraging the economic growth of the city. These so-called "socialists" want to do things that will hurt New Yorkers just for the Palestinian Bourgeoisie. Imagine being a proletarian who would be out of a gig if those sales were banned. Champaign socialists are so out of touch with reality.
>>2760977It’s not Mamdani’s job to care about West Bank land sales in the first place.
>>2760977He has no power to stop those land sales.
You think he’ll keep metzitzah b’peh-ing the Jews by attending a Passover Seder this year?
>>2760973Because Palestine has become an obsession for the American left for decades. Sunk-coast solidarity: the left has invested so much into this one particular issue that they refuse to throw in the towel, because if they do all their efforts will have been for nothing. Palestine activists have lost their jobs, had their reputations destroyed, etc. for speaking up for Palestine. No one wants to see those sacrifices go to waste, so they become more determined to win. It’s also why Palestinians themselves demand western activists sacrifice everything for them: they understand western psychology very well and know the more they lose the more tenacious they become.
It’s suicidal at this point, especially when you consider the only way Palestine can “win” at this point is if Israel collapses.
>>2761149 how can one not see the nearly 80 years of genocide the palestinian people have suffered under and not be obsessed? souless creature
>>2761149Just because we haven't won yet doesn't somehow justify Zionism
>>2761154No one said it did. I’m saying the left will make sacrifices for Palestine that they won’t for any other oppressed people. Why? Because they’ve invested so much into this one issue that they refuse to lose. It’s basic western psychology.
>>2761151“We can’t let our martyrs die in vain” is a pretty toxic way of thinking TBQH.
>>2761174You think Black liberationists will turn on Mamdani after this?
>>2761188 the martyrs in question are the thousands of children who haven't even reached one years of age before being snuffed out by israeli bombs, paied by us taxmoney of course. i would rather let the world be destroyed then allow this to continue any further and if it means another thousand years of struggle then so be it.
>>2761193>would rather let the world be destroyedAnd you are everything that’s wrong with contemporary leftism.
>>2761199 "oh nooo the crazy leftist on the obscure imageboard said he'd rather have the world destroyed then silently allowing mroe children to be killed ahhhh" a palestinian grandpa was just sniped in the head for just trying to visit his childhood village right now as of writing this
>>2761149>the left has invested so much into this one particular issuelike what?
>>2761193And would you feel the same way about children being killed in any other conflict? “I would nuke the whole world just because I hate Israel” — FFS do you know how you sound? This type of moral hysteria about Palestine has clouded the judgement of so many comrades it’s disgusting.
>>2761206Mass protests, university encampments, willingly sacrificing their jobs, university degrees, and reputations. 60+ years of boycotts that have done little to nothing. Making Palestine a moral litmus test when no other oppressed nation gets the same treatment. Leftists building relationships with Palestinian liberationists that they don’t do with liberationists of other oppressed nations. I could go on but you get the idea.
>>2761202>have the world destroyedDo you feel this way for any other conflict?
>>2761207 oh i see you are just a humanitarian who thinks that leftists dont talk enough about other conflicts i see if thats so then why dont you ever say protest against the genocide against the rohynga? donate to the victims of islamist violance in syria? aid orphaned children in sudan? or just stand in solidarity with them? why this punching down on people for being "too crazy" about palestine? something that only most people have now waken up to
>>2761213 would you if it were your children being maimed and tortured, grandparents executed, family and friends annihilated in mere days from missile attacks? all the while you are steryotyped in the media as a bunch of crazy radicals who want to redo the holocaust? i don't want the world to end so thats why iv'e decided to not stay quiet about this
>>2761211>willingly sacrificing their jobs, university degrees, and reputations.only a tiny minority of people have gone throught stuff like this, most leftoids just voted for zionists for decades
I guess we have different definitions of the "american left"
>>2761220I don’t buy in to Palestinian exceptionalism. Is there a reason I should?
Mamdani will have lost all his radical left supporters by next year.
>>2761149>Because Palestine has become an obsession for the American left for decades. Sunk-coast solidarityIt has been an issue on the left for decades but it has become much more important fairly recently. Go look at pictures of protests against the invasion of Iraq in 2003, you'll see a big crowd and maybe one Palestinian flag. There's a lot more Palestinian flags in demonstrations now.
>>2761211>Leftists building relationships with Palestinian liberationists that they don’t do with liberationists of other oppressed nations. I could go on but you get the idea.I think you have to think of it like a sociologist or something. If you ask me, it's partly about what Israel is actually doing as a trigger, but political movements also gravitate around certain causes as a useful mechanism for their own organization and mobilization. This makes the motivation sound cynical, and I'm not implying that because the people involved are genuinely motivated for the most part (other than actual grifters who get involved, and they exist too, because a cause is a way to build some kind of social status or make money). It's really that Palestine "works" as an issue that they can mobilize around. In other words it's not just "about" Palestine in the U.S., it also turned into a mechanism for the left to distinguish itself and struggle against Biden since Bernie/AOC types were cooperating with his administration on certain things and not challenging it.
This also relates to how people misread identity politics, the New Left, new social movements in the 1960s. There are leftists who say, that wasn't real Marxism etc. and maybe it wasn't, but it was a real social phenomenon. And I really see it as more an attempt to keep a radical tradition alive at all, since that was no longer being found in the traditional Old Left labor-type organizing that was a focal point from the late 1800s through the 1930s. The Palestine movement emerged like a wave recently because of events that were occurring in the Middle East, but it's also because the kind of energy that built up on the left around Bernie Sanders' campaigns had to go somewhere. Palestine was there as a pre-existing issue in the background as well, and there was a framework for that to get adopted by the wider left.
I'm also an ignorant foreigner who doesn't understand the Middle East, but I think something similar goes on there. Most of those governments are dictatorship where protests are illegal and you can't say shit. But if you say "Palestine" then that puts these Arab governments in an awkard position because they're supposed to be kinda for that (even though they're not, really). So it also becomes a way for people to struggle and challenge their own governments. Like you spray "Free Palestine" in graffiti on the street in Egypt and it's like a provocation to the government, like the cops now are going to arrest people for supporting Palestine, which messes with the military-run government for being frauds who lick Uncle Sam's boot all the time. It's also a way for Iran to struggle against the Sunni Arab governments, since Iran is run by Shias who are considered some fake-Muslim Safavid hydra by the Saudi government, and Iran can be like "but we support Palestine and you don't." Okay the Saudis support Fatah really but others think they're sellouts (and they probably are), I'm just saying it's just like how people on leftypol struggle with each other about who's more communist or not. You support Zohran but he doesn't want to lock up all the Chabadniks so therefore you're a fake communist and I'm real and I'm struggling against you now. This is how ideology works.
>>2761407The problem is, the American left is far too weak, disorganized, and incompetent to do anything significant when it comes to giving the Palestinians support. “Support for Palestine” now means leaving a bad review for an Israeli-owned falafel restaurant, that’s how laughable it’s become. Yet at the same time, Palestine is an issue that’s met with such urgency that any sort of moral nuance immediately disappears. People get so caught up in the hysteria of it all that they don’t stop and think about what would actually work vs what’s completely symbolic and a mechanism for letting out steam. It’s also why people treat getting a coffee at Starbucks as if it were equivalent to murdering a Palestinian child.
>>2761458 (Me)
Wanted to add, if we did have a strong, competent American left, we would easily get the government to halt weapon sales to Israel or place sanctions on Israel. But we don’t. We could even put Palestinians into government positions to make sure Palestinian interests have political representation, but we don’t.
And let’s be honest: Palestine has an ungodly amount of use-value for the left, since it’s the issue they use as emotional blackmail to indict humanity. If they hate someone all they need to do is call that person a “Zionist” in order to legitimize their hatred towards them, e.g. “my landlord is a Zionist” carries more weight than “my landlord exploits me”.
>>2761458>>2761468So what SHOULD the left have done in response to the Gaza genocide?
>>2761480>anon articulates the very definition of tailismthanks, I'll show to comrades in my MARXIST LENINIST REVOLUTIONARY WORKING CLASS ORG to demonstrate what Marx, Engels, and Lenin dedicated their lives to fighting against.
>>2761472Nothing it done would have mattered, because Palestine activists would always accuse them of not doing enough. They want their accomplices to give more and more and more and more and more and no matter how much is given it’s never enough. And that’s exactly what I mean by sunk-cost solidarity: Palestine activists demand others sacrifice as much as possible so those people become more determined to win because they don’t want their sacrifices to have been in vain. It’s like collateral: you pay back your loan because you don’t want to lose your house.
>>2761484You can’t just shove someone aside because they don’t 100% agree with you! I would love for a communist party to take the lead but we don’t have a parliamentary system or anything so this is the best we got until the inevitable collapse of the Democratic Party.
>>2746538You realize Putin is Zionist right?
>>2761458You write a lot like the hasbara agents on reddit.
>>2761193>>2761202>i would rather let the world be destroyed then allow this to continue any further and if it means another thousand years of struggle then so be it."Hey guize, I care so much about Palestine that I'd destroy the entire world and kill 9 billion people if it meant no more Zios."
Jesus fucking Christ, I hope I never encounter people like you at the infoshop.
>>2761480Again, the main criticism of Mamdani is that he used the Palestine issue to get elected and did nothing that would distance NYC from Zionism. He's sucking up to Jessica Tisch and the NYPD, for instance.
I think Mamdani wouldn't be taking so much heat if he had just laid the fuck off of international issues and stopped trying to bill himself as "Mr. Postcolonial Theory". He should talk more about getting New York a $30 minimum wage and free grocery stores.
All these single issue voters will be the end of the left in the US
>>2761756Any politician who doesn't oppose genocide, apartheid, and colonialism isn't worth supporting or voting for.
>>2761761Define "oppose".
I oppose genocide. I oppose every act Israel has done in Gaza.
I also oppose Hamas and the mass deportation of 7 million Israeli Jews.
Am I a "Zionist," according to you?
>>2761759What revolutionary energy? Americans are organizing protests on Sunday every six months while their country is going to shit and their president is ruining the entire world for everyone else; when blue haired Starbucks baristas actually organize for a labor struggle, half of the more-radical-than-you burger communists shit on them because they aren't "real workers" and nobody gives a shit, and now you are going to pretend the average NYC hipster casting a vote for Mamdani months ago has "captured their revolutionary energy"?? Get fucking real, maybe if you communists were actual effective at organizing instead of whining about how the world is unfair and LARPing like it's 1932, maybe you would't be such eternal cucks.
>>2761712Now this is a real criticism of Mamdani, and you should focus on that instead of never being practical once in your life.
>>2761412>Communists came to power in Russia and then over time they used ideology as a mechanism for controlling others in pursuit of Soviet interests>the Chinese flipped the table over and said they were fake communists.>videoHonestly for me this is one of my biggest stumbling blocks with Communism. It's this inherent anti-national, anti-racial interest. It just denies that nations are real, they exists beyond political constructs and that not everyone's needs are the same.
Furthermore it just kind of denies an obvious reality, that people's cultural and regional interests are real and valid.
IDK I'm a nooby and should probably lurk more but it seems pretty obvious to me you can't have class consciousness without race consciousness on some level.
That doesn't mean excluding other people, it just means recognizing we are different.
But, again - what do I know?
>>2761765So what anti-Zionist political forces do you support.
>I oppose Zionism, but more importantly, I oppose every potential movement that could end Zionism >>2761791>What revolutionary energyYou are honestly yapping a bit, without any dialectical materialism. It is genuinely baffling how many leftists fail to grasp even the basic function of Amerikkkan domestic counter‑insurgency. You all seem to know more about distant revolutionary, and COIN strategies than you do about the apparatus operating in your own city. If you actually applied materialism to the study of praxis in your localities, if you studied the local fusion center, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the private intelligence contractors, the NGO function in your region, instead of working 24/7 for the next NGO grant or electoral campaign, you might finally see how revolutionary energy and class struggle are captured, redirected, and managed. The state does not need to crush you when you have already agreed to look anywhere except at the counter‑insurgency happening in front of your face.
Time to read -
>>Life During Wartimehttps://archive.org/details/isbn_9781849351317/life_during_wartime_-_kristian_williams
>>The political Logic of the Non-profit complexhttps://sfonline.barnard.edu/dylan-rodriguez-the-political-logic-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/3/(this is the same person who spoke on this in lectures, with the speaking tour "reformists are cops")
>>Beyond the NGO industrial complexhttps://www.dukeupress.edu/the-revolution-will-not-be-fundedhttps://mondoweiss.net/2025/07/power-pushback-domestic-counterinsurgency-and-the-palestine-movement/This would just be a scratch on the surface, but please go ahead and ignore it some more.
>>2761793This is a different debate than Mamdani, but socialism/communism as Marx and his predecessors like Fourier and Saint-Simon envisioned it is an inherently
universalist project, born from Enlightenment ideals.
If you start including "race consciousness" into the mix, perhaps at first you might be well intentioned, but very quickly some others will start to say "this [ethnicity/group of people] is inferior and by essence not capable of [societal project]", and then you end up with shit like "national ""socialism"''".
Read the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels said that capitalism destroyed all Chinese walls for a reason, capitalism is everywhere now regardless of ethnicity or culture.
>>2761798Hamas doesn't have the capability to end Zionism.
>>2761802Perhaps your sources have something interesting to say, but your post looks like schizo-babble at first glance. Are you trying to say GLADIO/COINTELPRO exists in America? Yeah it does. Does that mean if the average normie in NYC vote for Mamdani, it's bad? No, I don't think so.
>>2761809And you just confirmed what I suspected. Enjoy shooting some random redneck before shooting yourself, American Juche anyday now.
>>2761472Someone on here is going to answer this by saying VIOLENCE!. Never mind the fact that the ultra-left adventurism of the Weathermen was a complete failure and did nothing to stop the US war against Indochina.
Look at that moron Elias Rodriguez: he will spend the rest of his life in prison for killing two Israeli embassy interns who were replaced the next day. Is that worth it? Adventurist violence isn't an option in the era of the surveillance state whereby people's phones snitch on them harder than former comrades do.
>>2761809
>Leftists who try to engage in dialogue with people they ought to remove are a joke.
Adventurism is toxic.
>>2761810>>And you just confirmed what I suspected>>suspectedAn almost instant response to the post. Too late fed, wee baited you out, and got a lot of your information, and data. GG. By the way, the reactionaries are the aggressors, so now you're in the unfortunate predicament where we end up having all of your information including your IP as well as all of your actual data (haven't looked into exactly who you work for yet, sending it to tha base). What's funny is it's quite easy to sense your cop energy beyond that, it's in your language. One who assumes that someone who believes the struggle must defend itself from reactionary racists is "suicidal, and violent" is a DHS ICE agent mentality poking through your otherwise basic left-leaning language. You seriously think movements who exist to attack and kill members of the working-class and communists are to be reasoned with, while "spooky antifas and ultras" are the scary violent ones. That's a cop, fed perspective poking out. You are likely DHS, with the very wide NSPM-7. If we confirm this, you will now be followed for life, by us. Thanks for the swift response, allowing our software to lock onto you. Your "suspicions are true", it's pretty evident yall have been poking at this suspicion for a while now, with the fake friends that DM me saying "guns aimed, and triggers pulled is the solution, right?. It's really pathetic. Now you think you've had your suspicions confirmed through some vague attack on the fact that reactionary racist forces have no place in a worker's society. No, that must mean I'm some "suicide shooter". You federal agents are some of the lowliest scum to ever exist on earth. There was no confirmation, except the one you handed US. We know how to word things just carefully enough to avoid being "caught", and instead you have been caught, so now, what?
>>2761812Why did you screenshot the post so quickly, btw. Answer us. You either refuse to answer it, or answer. Better to go silent then claim "I didn't". I can see that you did.
>>2760973OP laid out everything Mamdani can do for Palestine.
>>2761821I'm not American. I'm starting to think perhaps the DixieBol anon was onto something with their "race consciousness" bullshit, because the Anglo race seems incapable of doing anything to bring down the capitalist economy on its knees by organizing strikes and coordinated actions, or even fight for a meager minimum wage or rent caping reform. For your bloodthristy ilk, it's always about killing randos, 4D paranoia, and talking like Evangelical preachers. That's why this website is complete shit. You aren't a menace to US imperialism, you are just another fedposter, now calm down with the glass pipe.
>>2761829I just explained the problem of a concept such as "race consciousness" to this newfag by mentioning Marx and the Manifesto. I know crack hits good, but if you are incapable of explaining the basic tenets of your ideology to someone, what are you going to do with the working class at large? Did you track the IP of DixieBol to shoot him yet or are you searching where did you put the bag of rocks 5 minutes ago?
>>2761847>>For your bloodthristy ilk, it's always about killing randos, 4D paranoia, and talking like Evangelical preachers.>>I'm not AmericanNone of this is true. Fed yelling at the air again.
>>2761850Go shoot Mamdani during your next meth binge so the American Maoism-Jucheism revolution can start already. We are tired of you burgers being cucks. Maybe after the third term of JD Vance you will start doing something.
>>2761847>>what are you going to do with the working class at large?The working-class at large, are blood thirsty, racist reactionaries? Funny how often you pin violence on JPA, and those involved in conflict with your bullshit world. Meanwhile in in reality, the amerikkkan reactionary is the most violent force. cough cough DHS
FAGGOT cough cough.
4d paranoia is how you dodge RICO
>>2761853Go shoot them and shoot yourself once you are done, the revolution in NYC will happen immediately after you are done, I promise.
>>2761854Desperate, and Jewish.
>>2761863Great, this website is becoming indistinguishable from /pol/ now, the Indian Third-World is Aryan after all, keep going.
>>2761496>because Palestine activists would always accuse them of not doing enough. They want their accomplices to give more and more and more and more and more and no matter how much is given it’s never enough.Revolutionaries have a duty to do what the oppressed tell them.
>>2761878>Revolutionaries have a duty to do what the oppressed tell them.Bluesky ass opinion lmao
>>2761863>Mamdani>JewishOK Glowanon did you forget your meds today?
>>2761878What if we can’t?
>>2761878What exactly does Hamas want American leftists to do anyway?
>>2762270Basically sacrifice themselves. Grab guns and start killing anyone “Zionist” or something. Basically being back the Weathermen but make them entirely oriented towards Palestine activism.
>>2762276Even if the Weathermen would be effective
bitch please, where did Hamas say to do that?
>>2761458I don't disagree, really. But again think of "Palestine" here as like a proxy. There were Palestine protesters outside the DNC but not the RNC, right? And the protests in general died out after Trump was elected, correct? That's because the left was using Palestine as a vessel to struggle against the Democratic Party. In the U.S., the Democrats say they are for everyone and for universal human rights but can't bring themselves to say "Free Palestine." That's because saying "Free Palestine" would run up against their real purpose, which is to coordinate disparate interests and stabilize the American political system, which they'll do in the case of both pro-Israel donors and Palestine protesters by saying they're not against Israel but just against Netanyahu or something like that. It's like how they say "no kings" instead of "fight oligarchy" (as Bernie/AOC were attempting to brand a national protest movement) because we don't actually have a king, while the Democrats definitely do get funding from oligarchs.
The Republicans on the other hand are unapologetic about being for Israel to the hilt and they are much more brazen in lying to people about being anti-war, they don't feel like they to dissemble so much. It only really "works" to struggle against the Republicans as privileging Jewish vs. white Christian / America First. Of course the anti-Trump and anti-war currents in America are now starting to merge together, so we're entering a new situation, and that presents its own contradictions.
>>2761793I see it more that communism was used as ideology in the 1960s but Marxism is also a critique of ideology. I think traditional ideology is also dying. During the Cold War, there was an ideological struggle betwen how to organize industrial production on very large scale, but now capitalism has taken over everywhere except for North Korea, which wouldn't survive if it wasn't for China so it's still really part of the same global system anyways. The U.S. isn't really justifying bombing Iran in same terms that it would've justified it in the 20th century either.
>>2762023>>sequence of events>>fed claims someone that thinks racist reactionaries should be removed from workers society is a suspected violent suicidal shooter on drugs>>Then they randomly suggest that our comrade should commit harm to Zohran>>Get information of poster>>See person operating on same network posting anti-hamas posts on redditI have a lot of information, but unfortunately it would violate the doxxing rule, so It will enter other avenues. But let me ask some of you directly, you are Jewish and some kind of fed, are you not? Your attempts at gaslighting always fail. I am not saying this is you specifically, but do you people assume we are all easily manipulated, that we didn’t form our own opinions? Because the way you send individuals to us with lines like “so what’s the next step, like a Palestinian Weather Underground?” screams that you think we are stupid and can be set up. Or are you finally getting exhausted and desperate after sixteen years of investigation that produced only a handful of convictions, none of which ever stopped any of us? So much so where I can see them instantly jump for joy over a vague post that may or may not imply that we think a better world includes dead scum. The thing is, it wont hold up in court, and it will only confirm your suspicions of "terror" in your own skulls. You will continuously follow us as "terror suspects" and you will continuously fail. It's funny, you guys are pretty easy to bait in person too. What's funny is, we also know that if another 2020 happens, you guys have SRT surge style enforcement teams, meant to hit every major leftist network home, space and building in the occasion of unrest; we have it mapped. This will be yet another opportunity for us. It's all going as planned, thank you for playing.
한 달만 더.
그러면 붉은 해가 미국 대지를 비추리라.
반동들의 눈은 멀어지고,
혁명가들의 길은 환히 열리리라.
미제는 무릎 꿇을 것이며,
진리의 등대는 온 세상에 떠오르리라.
>>2762412>That's because saying "Free Palestine" would run up against their real purpose, which is to coordinate disparate interests and stabilize the American political system, which they'll do in the case of both pro-Israel donors and Palestine protesters by saying they're not against Israel but just against Netanyahu or something like that. Which confirms the notion that the only reason the left cares so much about Palestine is due to its use-value.
>>2746538>He’s even thrown his own wife under the bus for working with Palestinian liberation activist Susan Abdulhawa<"Palestinians are neo-nazis, look at these screenshots of twitter posts"Leftist "callout/cancel culture" has deputized them all as cops who are happy to help Zionist surveillance accomplish their psyops for free to smear the critics of Israel. Actually the DSA gets paid: they gain social capital for their branding as heroic 'anti-fascists' who bravely fight antisemitic tropes
Actual nazis are defined by their material behavior of denying food/water and healthcare. Idealists call Palestinians are nazis for their merely class conscious tweets about being 'goyim'. I imagine DSA radlibs in the 1960s also called The Black Panthers 'nazis' for daring to call themselves n*ggers, "how dare you use the word that your oppressors call you!!! This is an anti-white trope! You will never be invited to our settler anti-Stalinist forum where we have mild disagreements with our fellow PMC Jeffery Epstein libertarian guys about whether 'sex work is work' is woke or not"
>Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity As the Mayor, his main job is to secure funding for civic projects, but I imagine Zionist alligned finance capitalists have a lot of power with their choices in investing in the Zohran era municipal bond market. Whoever controls bond markets controls your city, try thinking dialectically about the material base of capitalism the next time some radlib talks about "electoralism is good/bad" or "this politician is good/bad"
<Mamdani's administration is facing significant challenges in the municipal bond market. This has resulted in decreased investor confidence and difficulties in selling city debt, which are critical for funding city projects and services. <Mamdani's proposed fiscal policies, which include extensive spending plans, have raised concerns among investors about the city's financial health. <There is a notable shift in investor sentiment, with many expressing distrust in the city's ability to manage its debt effectively under Mamdani's leadership.<Recently, New York City attempted to sell $2.3 billion in municipal bonds but fell short of its target by $300 million, indicating weakened demand.6/2025:
https://www.ainvest.com/news/zohran-mamdani-progressive-agenda-implications-york-real-estate-municipal-bond-markets-2601/1/2026
https://www.ainvest.com/news/york-progressive-turn-zohran-mamdani-policies-redefining-real-estate-municipal-bonds-2506/https://www.binance.com/hu/square/post/03-26-2026-new-york-city-faces-challenges-in-municipal-bond-market-305795226039090>>2754122>the alternatives are literal fascistsThe DSA are actual national socialists, they proudly support Graham Platner who is a Zionist rape torture prison guard at Abu Ghraib with a German style fascist tattoo, and DSA liberals like Hasan and Adam Friedland do disgusting liberal Zionist vlogs to try and do the most basic fascist praxis: gaslight workers into forgetting history that happened a mere 20 years ago. Platner is part of the same liberal Zionist Democrat coalition as John Fetterman and Zohran btw
>>2761847>>For your bloodthristy ilk, it's always about killing randos, 4D paranoia, and talking like Evangelical preachersI'd say leftist insurrectionist types like third-worldists, natlibs, anarchists, maoists, etc. are closer to jihadists in their language and rhetoric. It's always speaking in terms of total enemies, total power, and waging endless struggle by any means against said enemies. There is no language of compromise, passivity, unless convenient and used for confusion of the enemy. The JPA supports Class Jihadists, what exactly are you going to do about it? This is the new norm, so the JPA needs not engage in anything directly, you have arrived too late, and the work of convincing thousands upon thousands of workers & lumpens that the bourgeois must be genocided is already done. We can sleep, and the inevitable will unfold, unrelated to us in any direct way. Yet, like your “New Jakarta” campaign waged against the Islamic voices of the East, those you view as the propaganda wings of a dangerous opposition, you will attempt to eliminate the same type of voices within the western left, that you see as a threat. You will do this because you have lost the ability to control the masses, who have long since been swayed into action right under your noses.
한 달만 더.
그러면 붉은 해가 미국 대지를 비추리라.
반동들의 눈은 멀어지고,
혁명가들의 길은 환히 열리리라.
미제는 무릎 꿇을 것이며,
진리의 등대는 온 세상에 떠오르리라.
>>2746538>Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism. Track donations to the IOF from Jewish orgs. Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity. Get ICE to deport anyone with Zionist entity citizenship ( I hear there are a lot of them in Brooklyn and Queens). Ban AIPAC and all other pro-Zionist groups. Shut down businesses like Eichler’s which routinely sell Zionist products.He would need to be a dictator in order to do any of the things you mentioned.
>>2751452He can ban all “Israeli” politicians from entering the city.
>>2767120>He would need to be a dictatorhe is already a member of the dictatorship of the bourgeiosie
>>2767614Ah shit were we handing out socialism buttons and I missed mine?
>>2761480>Mamdani is the closest thing we have in Amerikkka to actual progress>Also it is so hypocritical for OP to criticize Mamdani for not being Anti-Israel enough while simultaneously having a Z flag because Putin is a Capitalist, Imperialist, Zionist."progressives" like Mamdani call Cuba a dictatorship while the empire starves them to death, meanwhile a reactionary conservacuck like Putin sends them oil so their hospitals can work
if Mamdani really is the closest thing there is in america to actual "progress" this means even the most progressive yank is still to the right of what most people consider a fascist
>>2769856Okay bro I agree that Mamdani has shit foreign policy but it is either him or Andrew Cuomo who would call Cuba a dictatorship WHILE advocating in favor of the embargo, at least Mamdani advocated for sanction relief. Also Mamdani is not right right of what most people consider fascist what the fuck are you talking about?!?!
>>2769876>but it is either him or Andrew Cuomo who would call Cuba a dictatorship WHILE advocating in favor of the embargo, at least Mamdani advocated for sanction reliefthe result is the same so I don't care if they say different words, all that shit is just bourgeoise electoral spectacle, you use hammer and sickle flag so you should know this
>Also Mamdani is not right right of what most people consider fascist what the fuck are you talking about?!?!Cucktin (considered a fascist by most people) sent oil while Mamdani manufactured consent against Cuba, therefor Mamdani is to the right of Cuckler the fascist.
>>2769930>the result is the same so I don't care if they say different wordsThis is so stupid, you seriously can’t think that Mamdani and Cuomo are the same! Mamdani has provided childcare and fixed the Williamsburg bridge and has made NYC more affordable, a centrist like Cuomo would not have done that, as lackluster as Mamdani’s foreign policy is you seriously can’t think that he is the same as Cuomo because he came into office via a bourgeois election. Mamdani also increased taxes on the rich compared to Putin who advocates for a flat tax. Also Mamdani made his Cuba statement before the energy crisis and he condemned the embargo saying that the embargo makes Cuba more repressive which I agree with but the only difference is that I think that Cubas repression is justified because free speech in Cuba would be a national security threat because you don’t know who the CIA might fund while Mamdani thinks that it still isn’t justified which sucks. But either way Mamdani is the mayor of New York and Putin is the dictator of a superpower. Mamdani used his power to expand social safety nets giving him a good name amongst the people and therefore giving Socialism a good name amongst the because at the end of the day Americans haven’t read Marx and don’t care about what Mamdani thinks about Cuba and just want to have life be affordable. And Mamdani is not right of Putin, that’s like saying Xi is right of Putin because Xi only gave Cuba solar panels, Mamdani also didn’t invade Ukraine.
I'm not defending Mamdani, but look: if you're the mayor of a city like NYC which has a 10% Jewish population, and you're running on a POPULIST platform, and on top of it you've been accused of antisemitism before, OF FUCKING COURSE you're going to want to kiss up to the Jewish community. Basically, you want as many people on board with your agenda as possible, and you don't want to see Jews, Muslims, Black people, Chinese people, Puerto Ricans, etc. fighting with each other, you want them all united to fight against landlords and other predators. That's how I understand it, anyway.
>>2746538>If Mamdani was truly principled he’d make it illegal to be a Zio in NYC. Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism. Track donations to the IOF from Jewish orgs. Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity. Get ICE to deport anyone with Zionist entity citizenship ( I hear there are a lot of them in Brooklyn and Queens). Ban AIPAC and all other pro-Zionist groups. Shut down businesses like Eichler’s which routinely sell Zionist products.Why would he do anything like this? He's the mayor of Jewish New Yorkers as much as he's the mayor to Palestinian and Muslim New Yorkers.
>>2773114That's non-sense, would you apply this standard to white people?
>>2773299He can't ban Chabad or AIPAC (which I don't even think is headquartered in NYC). If politicians can't ban the KKK due to First Amendment rights of free speech and free assembly, why would a politician have the ability to ban Jewish groups?
>>2773302- There is no "white community". Whiteness is not a culture or a religion.
- On what basis should a populist politician want to single out Jews and create more division in his city when he's supposed to be uniting the masses to fight against billionaires? Mamdani is very smart and he knows what he's dealing with.
>>2773305You don't need to ban Chabad you just punish them for calling for genocide in Palestine.
>>2773310Again, any attempt to do that would fail miserably, because Chabad has First Amendment rights. The KKK is allowed to call for Black folks to be mass-deported to Africa for the same reason.
Also, if you know anything about pro-Israel groups you'd know they rarely ever overtly call for Palestinian genocide. Most of these groups simply talk about how much they love Israel and talk of the Palestinians is nothing but an afterthought. If you're looking for ways to "ban Zionism" that are Constitutionally sound you'll have to do a lot of string-pulling.
>>2762517I don't think that's the only reason. It can be useful and also something people care about. A lot of things don't have a single reason.
>>2773321When AIPAC is smart (and sometimes they're not), they don't even talk about Israel or Palestinians at all, they will run ads to back up candidates they like in primaries talking about other things which are completely unrelated to the Middle East. They defeated some progressives by saying they weren't loyal to Biden to try and spoil their reputation among normie Dems. The whole Israel lobby screwed up with Mamdani by being, like, he hates the Jews and he's a jihadi Muslim blah blah. Voters didn't buy it.
>>2773333That's my point. On what basis could a politician actually succeed in banning AIPAC? As much as I hate them, nothing AIPAC is doing is illegal. Plus, you can't even register them as foreign agents since AIPAC is an American-based group, not an Israeli one even if they serve Israel's interests. An equivalent would be like trying to ban a tankie group for simply supporting the DPRK's interests.
>>2773341>>2773333The only way you could possibly defeat AIPAC is by getting money out of politics. Of course that's impossible under capitalism.
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