>>2749267
Le centrist has arrived
>>2749273BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT THE FUCK UP
>>2749273If the have nukes they obviously wont be storing them all in some building…
good job OP🎇🎇🎇🎆🎆🎆
>>2749280
>It’s called being actually muslim
idpol
>>2749273that doesn't destroy the nuclear armed ballistic missiles Israel already has and which are ready to launch
>>2749280
>muslim
Damn. That's fucked up.
>>2749277well they reportedly took some nuclear scientists in the strikes, so there's that at least
>>2749277where would nukes be stored if not a building? even if they're underground that would be under a building and can be made inaccessible by destroying the tunnel with a strategic strike.
I guess they could be on a nuclear sub but I wasn't aware of Israel having nuclear subs.
Oil futures markets will open in ~24 hours, btw.
Qatari plane probably loaded with scrap PAC-2s from Germany.
They got the same thing from Greece a week ago after repeatedly begging for it.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=06a255By Tuesday or Wednesday of this upcoming week, the US military will be sending their own soldiers into the meat grinder. It's going to be fucking insane
>>2749300Zeleksy is not happy right n9w
>>2749296
cloudsisters…
>>2749280
The Real Muslims™️ have done jack shit but cuck out to the US+Israel. I don't know the intricacies of the Sunni-Shia schism but Iran, Hez and Houthis are the only ones with actual balls to fight the empire so in my eyes they're the trve Muslims.
Any indications that this hit in Dimona actually struck anything of importance? Looks like we've got so many videos because the Israelis want to show that it only hit civilian areas.
>>2749304Lets not be overdramatic, the war is extremely unpopular as is.
>>2749308To be fair, it seems like the military capabilities of Sunni states (barring maybe Turkey) was drastically degraded in part because of a veneer of tribal and ethnic politics that wrecks internal cohesion/discipline.
That said, Shia Muslims have historically been intensely persecuted, so I imagine that instilled a culture of militant discipline in them.
>>2749312nothing yet, you'll have to wait for an official statement from iran. but judging at the panicked response from israel, convening an emergency meeting and another security council meeting, i'd wager it was bad enough
>>2749305The way he has been trying to scam Gulfies with their shitty "interceptor drones" in exchange for shit that can actually work like Patriots and fighter jets is so fucking funny lol. Respect the hustle.
>>2749275The whole of Iran is a monopoly, a monopoly of oil, a monopoly of political power, of expression and religion.
I think what you mean is 'countries that use money instead of bartering'.
So the main gripe about 'imperialism' isn't forcing your will through manipulation, it's using money.
Did Israel ever get bitch slapped like this in their history?
e 72nd wave of "True Promise 4": Targeting the occupied territories and the US Navy's Fifth Fleet
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard announced the execution of the 72nd wave of Operation "True Promise 4" against targets in the north and heart of the occupied territories and the US Army's Fifth Fleet, confirming that the operation was carried out with complete success.
The Guard's public relations department explained that the operation was carried out using the powerful and precise "Qadr" and "Imad" systems, after targeting a squadron of aircraft belonging to the Israeli "Army" in the skies of the central region towards the north.
The Guard's statement said the operation was a blessed "Eid gift" to the Iranian people on Eid day.
The Guard also confirmed that the improved local offensive and defensive systems will achieve more hits and casualties, stressing that the continuous sirens and the life from "siren to siren" will accompany the enemy and will not leave him for a single moment.
The statement addressed the enemies, saying: "We will not leave you alone and you will become miserable."
<The Iranian army announces the downing of a drone and the neutralization of enemy fighter jets.
For its part, the Iranian army's public relations department announced the targeting and destruction of an armed combat drone belonging to the Israeli-American enemy, after it was detected and identified by air defense forces, before it could carry out any operation in the skies of Tehran.
She confirmed that the number of advanced drones that have been destroyed since the beginning of the imposed war has reached 127 aircraft of various types.
She added that several manned fighter jets belonging to the United States and the Israeli entity were targeted using surface-to-air missile systems within the integrated air defense network, with some of them falling while others were forced to leave Iranian airspace after sustaining serious damage.
Earlier on Saturday, the Revolutionary Guard announced the launch of the 71st wave of Operation "True Promise 4" , confirming the introduction of new offensive tactics and more advanced systems "after studying the weaknesses of the enemies" during the first three weeks of the war.
The Guard indicated that it carried out a "swift and continuous" attack targeting Tel Aviv and areas in Rishon LeZion, using heavy and precise "Emad" missiles, multi-warhead "Qadr" missiles, and suicide drones.
The Islamic Republic of Iran continues to confront American-Israeli aggression on its territory, at a time when its enemies’ media acknowledge that the option of its surrender is not on the table , with no indications of the Iranian regime’s submission or its imminent collapse
Commander of the Iranian Aerospace Force: We announce missile control over the skies of the occupied territories.
The commander of the Aerospace Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Brigadier General Majid Mousavi, said on Saturday evening that "from this moment I declare Iran's missile control over the skies of the occupied southern territories."
Brigadier General Mousavi confirmed that "the skies over the occupied southern territories will remain illuminated for hours tonight," noting that "the new tactics and launch systems used in the coming waves will terrify the Zionist and American leaders."
For his part, the spokesman for the central "Khatam al-Anbiya Headquarters" announced that more modern and advanced systems have entered the battlefield as part of the new round of impactful operations.
He stressed that "the battlefield will become narrower and more difficult for the enemy compared to what it was previously."
In this context, Israeli media reported on Saturday evening that several sites in the city of Dimona in the southern occupied Palestinian territories were hit by Iranian missiles, leaving dozens injured and causing widespread damage.
It is noted that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps concluded its statement for Wave 72 by emphasizing the "continuation of operations, warning that the next phase will be more difficult for the enemy."
>>2749318setting up rail networks in other countries is le evil imperialims.
But islam sending out its people to set up religious franchises in other countries is, what? What would that fall unde in 'marxist theory'?
>>2749312what indications would there be? israel is only broadcasting videos of civilian hits but it's clear Iran hit military infrastructure as well that the Israelis won't let anyone know about. Even if Iran hit Israel's nuke stockpile they wouldn't publicize it.
>>2749320yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_WarIsrael is lucky every war in the nation's history has been a war of aggression on their part so the brunt of civilian and military casualties are usually on the defenders even when Israel loses. Oct 7th was probably the first time in history Israelis faced actual internal threats and they got completely owned.
>>2749327if you think about it, if biden hadn't won, then trump would be gone by now.
have we started the oil refinery fire?
>>2749280
Sunni islamist LMAO go back to raping people
>The wounded toll of the Iranian ballistic missile impact in the southern city of Arad rises to 64, Magen David Adom says.
They include seven people in serious condition, 15 in moderate condition, and 42 others lightly hurt, according to the ambulance service.
MDA says it is continuing to scan the scene for additional casualties.
The 64 victims are being taken to hospitals by dozens of MDA ambulances, as well as MDA and Israeli Air Force helicopters.
There are several unconfirmed rumors floating around on Twitter that this Iranian strike was a tit-for-tat attacking sites that belonged to the Israeli nuclear program and fissile material enrichment, also (unconfirmed) reports that a 'gas leak' was declared in the area. Casualties numbers also are very high.
>>2749273>Samson optionPeople believe the meme?
>>2749330yes, the price rises
>>2749340Why does he look like he's about to drop the firest PhD thesis on Islamic Theology?
Ain't it funny how Israel put it's nuclear reactors, military sites, and it's ethnic minorities in the middle of the desert?
Can't have white Jewish people living in dangerous areas. Has to be the Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, Africans, Indians, etc living next to the nukes and missile sites in the least hospitable areas of your occupied territory.
Don't forget 1/3rd of Israeli settlements forbid non-Jewish residents and that Israel is the only country that forbids miscegenation.
>>2749338https://t.me/rasedal3ado138e/328513Arad apparently evacuating 100-150 families from their homes.
Now why would they do that if it was just an incidental massacre?
Or is there some significance to the people living there that would subject it to repeat targeting. (such as being military housing).
What's happening?
Walking American military wounded in hospitals in Tel Aviv are being denied access to missile shelters.
>>2749349it's fine,nobody bombs hospitals in war,it's inhumane :)
>>2749346well they're the cudgel through which the west advances ethnic supremacy, it stands to reason that the jewish ethnostate is smack down in the center of where a bunch of undesirable ethnicities are
>>2749355
Satanyahu is in a coma in his bunker. His AI is speaking for him.
>>2749287yeah im going out on a limb and assuming Iran had intel on high value targets in those apartment buildings
>>2749349lol if true
but also, of fucking course. you're supposed to be a fucking soldier. the fucking shamelessness bruh
>>2749340>Iran moves to nuclear deterrence and formalizing a defense treaty with Russia/Chinaso the US/Israel war caused exactly the thing they were trying to prevent by killing the anti-nuclear Khamenei and replacing him with a pro-nuclear Khamenei. based JDPON Don.
The Iranian Islamic fundamentalist theocracy will fall… and be replaced by a Zoroastrian Communist Soviet (headquarters: Arak)
>>2749267
Damn leftypol getting hasbara now? Does that mean we're relevant?
>>2749355
he really could be dead.
>>2749346Israel doesn't even build public bomb shelters for apartment renters in the arab areas lol
>>2749371goy lives don't matter
>>2749360its a little strange that Arad is blurred out on Google maps, but the other towns and surrounding areas aren't
>>2749371The Israeli refuse to acknowledge the rights of Bedouins to live Israel, despite them living nomadically in the Negev for many centuries. They consider many of the Bedouin settlements illegal and routinely bulldoze them. Also they don't activate the Iron Dome over Bedouin settlements.
Last year a Bedouin girl died because of an Iranian missile in the 12 day war, because Israel refused to intercept a missile that would hit a Bedouin village older than Israel but which the Israeli government denies has the right to exist.
>>2749380The deeper you dig the more disgusting that society is
Were westerners lying about the Sunni Shia divide?
Like 99% of Muslims I see are cheering for Iran and I'm pretty sure most of those are Sunni.
>>2749385Do you live in the ME? Otherwise because it's different abroad.
News is reporting attacks on kharg
anarchist theory be like:
>The fact that many Jews fiercely oppose the Palestinian Right to Return , and the related vision of a peaceful bi-national state, befuddles many activists, who see a shared democracy where both Jews and Palestinians receive respect as one of the most hopeful and just solutions imaginable. But, along with Israel’s denials of its responsibility for the refugee crisis, there is a second, and deeper issue involved: Jews have had convincing experiences that lacking a place to run to can have life-or-death consequences.
<The foundation of Israel, and Israel’s ongoing policies, have contributed to massive suffering for the Palestinian people. And the country’s actions, as well as its alliance with the U.S., fuel anger around the world at Israel. But Israel did not, and does not, cause antisemitism.https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/april-rosenblum-the-past-didn-t-go-anywhereChange my view: Israel is singlehandedly fucking it up for the Western bloc and Russia is playing a similar role for BRICS/anti-imperialist bloc. The first bloc that can tamper down on its weak link will secure a massive advantage and Israel is far more of a liability than Russia is.
>>2749387No I live in Asia.
>>2749393Didn't Russia offer to sell out Iran in return for sanctions relief recently? They said they'll stop providing targeting intel or whatever. That's not good if real. Even if it's a ploy it signals disloyalty. The problem with the Russia China Iran axis is they don't act like true allies, they are all extremely flaky.
>>2749391
>>2749395
damn most third world era are epsteinite zionists smhmdh my damn head rn
>>2749389>Some literal who from 20 years agoThanks. Why should i care?
>>2749279I've never met an unattractive Iranian woman. They're beautiful
>>2749385From my experience in the ME its less about sunni shia divide, and more the mutual hate for israel. That doesn't mean people like iran, its tolerated because they are doing something most muslim populations have been wishing to do, which is to nuke tell aviv but they cant because of authority's and whatnot. Basically its levels of hate, a percentage would be 100% hate for jews, while its a 30 to 40 for iran.
>>2749385kind of, yeah. western colonialism is super top heavy and the superstructure portrays the actions of flunkies like the king of jordan as popular. iran kind of sucks, but they suck a hell of a lot less than washington's kapos and the zionazis.
I don't know if shit will go back to being peaceful because of how much fundamentalist sectarianism the yanks have spread, but the muslim world could easily put aside it's differences if the comprador governments collapse under popular uprisings.
>>2749401>he was just following ordersbruh…
>>2749395
it wasnt hitler who killed the jews, it was soldiers
this has to be understood by EVERYONE until we can have a rational society
What we know about Iran’s attacks on Israel today
Iran has carried out at least eight waves of missile attacks on Israel today. Here’s what we know:
>Iranian missiles made several direct impacts on Dimona, which is home to a major nuclear research centre, and the city of Arad, both in southern Israel.
<Those attacks have injured nearly 100 people, including at least eight who are in serious condition. There is also extensive damage in Arad’s city centre, according to Israel’s firefighting service.
>An Israeli military spokesman said Israel’s air defence systems activated during the attacks, but failed to intercept some of the missiles, even though they were not “special or unfamiliar”.
<The spokesman said the military would investigate and “learn from” the incidents.
>Israeli PM Netanyahu, addressing the attacks, said it was a “difficult evening” and that Israel would “continue striking our enemies on all fronts”.
Mayor says 150 families evacuated from Arad after missile attack
The mayor of Arad in southern Israel says that about 150 families were evacuated from the neighborhood that was hit by the Iranian missile attack.
Israel’s emergency services is saying that at least 64 people were injured in the attack.
Iran did not issue evacuation warning for Doha, Qatari media: IRGC source tells state media
Iran’s Tasnim news agency has also now quoted an IRGC source as saying that Iran, contrary to “false rumours” circulating online, did not issue any evacuation warning for Qatar’s capital, Doha, and Qatari media.
As we reported earlier, Iran’s IRIB news agency published a clarification on its Telegram page, apologising for sharing an alleged evacuation threat for Qatar’s capital and saying this was “denied”.
In-person classes cancelled across Israel
Israel’s Education Ministry has cancelled all in-person classes across the country for Sunday and Monday.
This comes after two missile attacks – on Arad and Dimona in southern Israel – injured almost 100 people.
Netanyahu vows to bolster emergency forces after Arad attack
Israel’s PM Netanyahu says he is “strengthening the emergency and rescue forces currently operating in the field” following an attack on the southern Israeli city of Arad, injuring more than 50 people.
“This is a very difficult evening in the battle for our future,” he said, adding that “we are determined to continue striking our enemies on all fronts”.
Israeli air force probing interception failure in Arad: Report
Israeli media is reporting that the Israeli air force will investigate how Israeli defences failed to intercept a ballistic missile that made a direct impact in the southern city of Arad.
Israel’s Arutz Sheva media, citing the Israeli military, says there were two failed interception attempts.
The Times of Israel says a total of 59 people have now been classified as injured in Arad, six of whom are in “serious condition”.
Iran’s IRIB apologises for sharing false evacuation order for Doha
Iran’s IRIB news agency has published a clarification on its Telegram page, apologising for sharing an alleged evacuation order for Qatar’s capital, Doha.
“This news is denied,” it said, adding that it had removed the initial post.
>>2749405Yes, that's what being in an army is all about, following orders.
It's not like IDF soldiers sniping toddlers in their spare time.
>>2749406
>pedo porn addict complaining about jews being degenerate
95% of the online right
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IF PUTIN CALL PRETEND YOU BUZY
NUKE BAKU REFINERIES WHILE YOU CAN
>>2749409you dont have to follow orders though, thats the point
just say "no".
>>2749416
Again, they weren't following orders. They just did that for fun, because they're psychotic jews
>>2749406
trvke.
death to israel.
>>2749415They're conditioned to follow orders, and the people who's personalities aren't suited don't join in the first place.
>>2749423nobody forced them to join the army in the first place
>They're conditioned to follow ordersdespite of this some still refuse to, the ones that don't can go fuck themselves lol
>>2749430
>Nazis used your argument.
he is a groyper that thinks zogbots would be based if they were doing the same shit they do but for his volk instead of for the jews so this won't matter to him
>>2749415>>2749420Also if you refuse to follow orders, they'll court marshal you, beat your ass, or kill you lol. Sometimes you can have a good enough reason if there's a collective push against illegal orders like in Vietnam, but it's very very dicey and you risk a lot to disobey
>>2749433Well yes, the real issue is that our government is subverted and controlled by Israel, not that soldiers follow orders.
>>2749399
they're just better at materialism than you. the fact of the matter is that it does not matter what the vast majority of burgers would be happy with. the power to decide what military equipment gets built, where it goes, and who it kills are in the hands of a narrow ruling class. the leaders and people of the third world understand that it would be a net benefit to the people of burgerstan for the empire to be defeated. it's only the uneducated beastial burger people who are stupid enough to believe that e.g. forcing a third world country to lease an oil field to exxon instead of extracting it through a state company personally benefits them. that is, only them and a narrow leftist subcultural niche with a very dubious theory of surplus value.
>>2749420>They just did that for fun, because they're psychotic jewsnon-jewish americans have done the same shit since forever before Israel even existed, did the Israel lobby made crackers exterminate the native americans?
>>2749438>not that soldiers follow orders.imagine if all the based and redpilled ICE crackers decided to take on what you call zog instead of following orders
the real issue is exactly that people "follow orders" instead of not following them, if they didn't there would be no issue, you fucking dumbass
>>2749436>i had to kill the child, otherwise i would have been negatively affectedever heard of martyrdom?
>>2749449>what about the native americansholy shit shut the fuck up, you smelly dumb nggr
>>2749450>>2749450Real uyghas say no bitch uyghas kill a child
And theres to many bitch uyghaa and not enough real ones
>>2749438Trump is stupid enough to go along with everything Netanyahu says but he could ultimately cease weapons shipments to Israel whenever he wanted to. He just doesn't because he thinks of Netanyahu as a supergenius who will get him out of everything like a little child with his dad.
>>2749452no arguments detected, concession accepted
>>2749280
beat it takfiri chud
>>2749280
Umah momment?
>>2749458Yes, if he's willing to risk dying like JFK he could stand up to Israel. He isn't.
>>2749459Bringing up irrelevant shit that happened 200 years ago isn't an argument. America is a completely different country now.
There is no appetite for wars for Israel, it's completely manufactured by the Israel lobby and the jewish media.
>>2749280
I used to be Sunni and realized Sunni Islam is pretty much as much of a death cult as Evangelical Christianity and Judaism. What parts of Shia Islam do you take issue with specifically, if you aren't just a Saudi dog?
To be clear I'm not Shia either but I find sectarianism among Muslims to be ridiculous and basically always a glowie op. Your enemy should be the pedo armies of Baal not fellow believers.
>>2749280
If I was a Muslim I would be embarrassed to admit I'm a Sunni, absolutely cucked sect.
What do we think the Iranians hit in Dimona?
>>2749470Doughrim ben dimmadome settler on the al dimmsdale djinnmadome
>>2749466
Ok this is fire
>>2749469Hamas is sunni tho
>>2749475Palestinians are the only based Sunnis, and they're motivated by nationalism, not religion. Cuckmas were begging Iran to go easy a couple of days ago, so fuck them too.
>>2749475they are the exception but I'd say as a counter example, look at their political bureau leadership in Qatar, very cucked. They think because Trump rehabilitated Jolani as a former al qaeda amir, they can do the same.
>>2749385It's also worth remembering that previous american adventurism in the ME specifically kept Israel in the background precisely because most of the population despise it. See the first Gulf War were saddam fired on Israel to try to draw them into the conflict with the assumption that the coalition would fall apart rather than fight on the same side as Israel. This time Israel and US are doing it together in a much more blatant sense.
>>2749385My entire extended family are Algerian, Iraqi, and Egyptian Sunnis and 100% support Iran in the war against Israel. They're probably bad enough to get banned from leftypol for antisemitism with how often they use the phrase "Yehud dog" when referring to Trump.
I would say the Sunni/Shia divide doesn't really exist outside of the bourgeois. Saudi monarchy has an interest in perpetuating the religious war because expanding Sunni Islam expands their political influence. But average Muslims just see Israel/America attacking Islam as an identity and will fight to the death to protect eachother. Pretty much how any disenfranchised group would behave when they can identify that they're being scapegoated and turned into 2nd class citizens. Asians may hate eachother internally but they will still unite against stuff like the Japanese internment camps or the sinophobic "Wuhan virus" conspiracy theories. Well, except South Koreans because they're chuds.
>>2749477That was their political bureau. The KAQ leadership in Gaza meanwhile urged them to continue bombing the gulfies.
>>2749477>>2749478FLN were sunni muslims
>>2749482>"Wuhan virus" conspiracy theoriesHow do we tell him?
>>2749486no, the org itself had plenty of socialists and wasnt religious
Lebanon: A series of attacks targeting the air defense system… the most prominent operations of the Islamic Resistance
In recent hours, the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon announced a series of operations targeting gatherings of Israeli occupation army soldiers, settlements and bases, in addition to targeting a Merkava tank, on the Lebanese-Palestinian border, in defense of Lebanon and its people.
The Islamic Resistance announced that at 18:00, it targeted a Merkava tank in the town of Khiam with a guided missile, hitting it directly.
As part of the warning issued by the Islamic Resistance to a number of settlements in northern occupied Palestine, its fighters targeted the settlements of Avivim and Nahariya, and the Shomera barracks with rocket barrages.
The Islamic Resistance targeted a gathering of vehicles and soldiers of the Israeli enemy army in the Al-Maasara neighborhood in the border town of Maroun Al-Ras with artillery shells, and also targeted another gathering of occupation soldiers in Khallat Al-Aqsa on the outskirts of the border town of Al-Adisa with a rocket salvo.
Meanwhile, resistance drones targeted the Ze'ev air defense base in the occupied city of Haifa, while resistance fighters targeted a gathering of Israeli "army" soldiers and vehicles at the occupied Khirbet Yaroun site (a Lebanese army site) in southern Lebanon, with a sophisticated missile.
In Ma'alot-Tarshiha, resistance missiles targeted the air defense system at 18:00, while Israeli media reported a direct hit on a house in Ma'alot as a result of the missile launch from Lebanon and the occurrence of 5 injuries.
Israeli media had previously reported that sirens sounded in a number of settlements in the northern occupied territories, as a result of detecting missile launches from Lebanon.
Earlier today, Israel's Channel 12 confirmed that Hezbollah is complicating the Israeli army's mission to locate missile launch sites by "changing the pattern of their launches and distributing launch platforms more widely, including remote areas and villages in southern Lebanon."
The Islamic Resistance continues to confront the occupation’s movements at the borders and target the sites, bases, and deployment of the Israeli “army” and settlements in northern occupied Palestine, in defense of Lebanon and its people, in light of the Israeli aggression against various Lebanese regions.
Initial reports: 8 killed and dozens injured in Arad, southern occupied territories, by an Iranian missile
Israeli media reported on Saturday evening that 8 people were killed and 100 injured in an initial toll from an Iranian missile strike in Arad, in the southern occupied Palestinian territories.
Israeli media reported that the Israeli army's rescue unit was called in due to the very large number of casualties in Arad, noting that 1,300 rescuers and firefighters were working at the site where the Iranian missile fell in Arad.
Israeli media feared a large number of missing and detained people, and a state of emergency was declared due to the large number of injuries, while rescue forces, Magen David Adom teams, and Civil Defense headed to the scene to strengthen the response.
According to the Israeli Broadcasting Authority, "Israeli army forces are helping to extract injured people from under the rubble in Arad."
Israeli media reported that "there are Israelis trapped under the rubble in Arad, and Magen David Adom is asking people to go to hospitals and donate blood."
Israeli media reported that "a hypersonic missile with half a ton of explosives hit Arad."
The Israeli Broadcasting Authority noted that "the Iranian missile attack that targeted Arad caused the largest number of casualties since the beginning of the war and destroyed an entire neighborhood."
The commander of the Aerospace Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Brigadier General Majid Mousavi, said on Saturday evening that "from this moment I declare Iran's missile control over the skies of the occupied territories."
Brigadier General Mousavi vowed that "the skies over the occupied southern territories will remain illuminated for hours tonight," noting that "the new tactics and launch systems used in the coming waves will terrify the Zionist and American leaders."
Israeli media reported on Saturday evening that dozens were injured after several locations in the city of Dimona, in the southern occupied Palestinian territories, were hit by Iranian missiles.
For his part, Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf said that the Israeli entity’s inability to intercept the missiles in the heavily fortified area of Dimona is, operationally speaking, an indication of entering a new phase of the battle.
Qalibaf added that "the entity's skies are not protected," noting that "the time has come to implement the next pre-prepared plans."
>>2749285If Israel launches the nukes would they just strike only Iran or is the Samson option some evil ass dead switch that just launches nukes everywhere so they insure the end of the world? As fuck up as it is to say of Israel just strikes Iran there’s a chance we enter some global Mexican stand off and there’s a chance we all walk away. If Israel just sends nukes to like Brussels, Moscow, Paris, London and possibly D.C then its game over and everyone is just launching nukes all over.
>>2749490leg status of his f35s?
>>2749495>>2749500swift payments leg status?
>>2749502coalition of the willing leg status?
>>2749508The hint is in the name.
>inb4 you don't know the story of Samson >>2749467Personally as a Catholic I've kind of noticed the same thing. Granted I've got an outsider perspective but from what I've seen the Sunni-Shia split almost seems comparable to the Protestant-Catholic split in that the former is ostensibly a democratization of the faith while the latter emphasizes the importance of trained clergy. I've heard it also said that the Shia emphasize something comparable to Sainthood as well.
Like I said, I'm not really involved in the sectarian struggles of Islam, but as a Catholic there's just more of a sense of familiarity with the Shia imo.
>>2749500At this point, China should be proposing a new neutral international currency for trade, it shouldn't let it be the Yuan, or it will suffer the same deindustrialisation as the US. Time to knock the dollar off its perch for good.
>>2749514That's pretty much how I describe the split as well.
Yet ironically the democratization of faith has resulted in rabid evangelicals infesting both Protestantism and Sunni Islam and turning them into for-profit religions, which is why Sunni Islam comes off as a more corrupt religion compared to Shias and the "leadership" of major groups like Hamas are typically just self-interested opportunists. It's not so much a flaw with Sunni or Protestantism as it is a flaw in human psychology. Martin Luther probably didn't think that by denouncing the Catholic Church for selling indulgences that he'd be inviting an endless horde of prosperity gospel scammers to sell fake bibles with Trump's face on them. Or maybe he did, idunno.
>>2749522>Iran got more sanctions relief from closing the Strait of Hormuz for a coupleweeks than it got from all the nuclear concessions it made in the JCPOA
how will the reformists and libs recover?
>>2749524Classic "negotiating and bargaining with bully to stop bullying" versus "break his nose, and loosen some teeth".
>>2749524By embracing fascism, of course.
>>2749524The bigger question is how the monarchist scumbag diasporoids recover? Hopefully they don't, and commit suicide en masse.
>>2749514I mean if I understand how it went correctly, the schism start when the warlords of the prophet decide they are the ones who should rule after him, take power and then slaughter his heir and his whole family when he had basically surrendered already, so the sunni are more the cynical practical military part of islam, while the shia are more the martyr spiritual part
just having a martyred founder and persecuted sect start make shia closer to christians
>>2749518they are working on the UNIT, a brics currency that is half gold, half basket of members currency, but it started basically this year, has 0 publicity and is only a state trade currency
>>2749530Well i hope the gcc enjoyed having electricity
>>2749530what i thought the war was over nd the strait was open already
>>2749512Damn this really sucks, trump has prolly put in some of the dumbest people in charge of our nukes too. Or it’s some A.I bullshit. Shits bleak… Do we know Israel’s lunch capabilities? I heard they use subs so they can prolly position themselves to strike anywhere. I can imagine they have a crazy number of nukes but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a bunch of Zionist positioned throughout the U.S nuclear arsenal ready to hijack it. Prolly some chud will nuke New York or some LLM from openAI
>>2749530>the retard keeps escalating lol, the US empire will not survive trump
>>2749530There are no brakes.
>>2749539ALL GAS NO BRAKES, WW3 SOON
>>2749530exactly the amount of time before the markets open again on monday :^)
>>2749536>Do we know Israel’s lunch capabilities?we can rule out the possibility of non-kosher deli meats
>>2749540>>2749539Hmm… nah, I'll save HoI4 music until US actually threatens a ground invasion.
AND NO COMMERCIAL BREAKS
AND NO BRAKES!
>>2749518china should be sending iran nukes already
>>2749536I think the samson option is cap. all it does is make fleeing israel when the whole stupid rat eaten edifice collapses impossible. it's part of an artificial rhetorical framework that keeps israeli crimes at arms length while they are simply an outpost of the anglo-american empire.
the media basically stopped pretending that the war is doing economic damage to israel because it was only drawing attention to the fact that it isn't, and it isn't because their economy is fake and they persist through billions in american sponsorship.
>>2749549I mean aouth africa bitched out on using nukes before they collapsed so who knows
>>2749551
this was debunked as fake and i fell for it too
How do I buy yaun or short the market?
>>2749530Pretty sure this is collective punishment and a war crime. Just end the ICC and the UN if they're not willing to do anything about this retard
>>2749520>Martin Luther probably didn't think that by denouncing the Catholic Church for selling indulgences that he'd be inviting an endless horde of prosperity gospel scammers to sell fake bibles with Trump's face on them. Or maybe he did, idunno.There's a kind of irony in Martin Luther's life where after he formalized a schism with the Catholic Church, after he declared that Scripture Alone should be the basis of Christian faith, you have all of these different Protestant Sects spring up precisely because of the interpretations they developed reading Scripture, and Luther's response was broadly "No, wait, you're wrong!" He naively thought, to some degree, that if everyone just read the Bible they'd come to the same conclusions as Martin Luther.
While Luther broke what was at the time the ultimate taboo of denying the Catholic Church's spiritual authority, he himself was horrified by groups that came after like the Anabaptists. Denying the authority of the Papacy was one thing, but he still felt an affinity for infant Baptism deep in his soul, and even if the Baptists justified themselves with his own arguments, he couldn't accept their conclusions.
It's like how when the French Revolution started, you actually had crowds in Paris greet King Louis as "The King of a Free People", even though they were directly rebelling against his authority. After that first step, the door was opened to cutting aristocrats heads off.
>>2749529So from what I've been told of the traditional story, when the Prophet Muhammad was dying he was asked who should inherit the mantle of leadership of the community. According to Shia traditions he declared his son-in-law Ali to be his heir but the Ummah (Muslim Community) waited until after he died and held a vote on who their leader should be, settling on the Caliph Abu-Bakr, who was Muhammad's father-in-law and closest friend.
Again, speaking as a Catholic, it reminds me of how the Catholic Church holds that whoever is given the Bishopric of Rome is the heir of St. Peter and given authority over the wider Church, whereas the Protestants hold that Peter's authority is not inherited and, in some traditions, was never even located in Rome in the First Place! (There are Protestants that believe Catholicism is just a mask worn by Egyptian/Hellenic Paganism)
Tying this all together, I think the retards in the Trump admin took the title "Supreme Leader" too literally for Khomeini and thought it was something like the Fuhrer or whatever. Its the trope of "If you kill Hitler, you defeat Nazi Germany". Its akin to murdering Iran's Pope as I see it. Its a faith based on the traditions of martyrdom and you just martyred one of its biggest proponents. You're igniting that faith, not smothering it.
>>2749543His "we are looking to wind down the Iran conflict" talk really was just trying to sweet talk wallstreet and the oil markets for the weekend.
What stops Iran from getting the South Korea treatment if it became an American puppet? Why fight so hard to stay independent?
>>2749565the retards in the US will say
who cares about the UN. the minute you ask them to hand over the IMF will defend the UN in a flinch. well, only the side that gives them absolute global financial power.
>>2749561it's a currency, so either open a forex account, or go buy some on a shitty commission from the money changers.
>>2749575>the South Korea treatment a violent corrupt fascist military dictatorship of japanese collaborators that was poorer that its northern counterparts for decades until the US use of its unlimited petrodollar money to prop it up finally developed it enough because having the commie side more prosperous was a disaster for the ideological war ?
because the US is here for stealing the oil and wrecking the country so it cant be a regional challenge to sirael, not for developing the country
>>2749552yeah, that kind of illustrates my point: by the time the saffers were looking like they had to use them they were already broke from being boycotted and if they nuked anybody the tickets to perth and israel would be useless. there's probably _some_ yehuudies willing to fight it out to the bitter end, but everyone else is packing bags and closing out investments in israel.
>>2749575why would the US give them the South Korea treatment? only for 10 years down the line to get an anti-American leader who suddenly cuts ties with the West when the country is developed. the asian tigers were just a one-off. and even when japan became dangerous, they kneecapped them, and made sure south korea has no pathway to sovereignty. The South Korean army is under US command.
Israel closes schools, bans large gatherings in the south after strike on Dimona
Israel’s Home Front Command has closed schools and banned gatherings of more than 50 people in the country’s south until Tuesday, following the Iranian missile strikes in the area, according to the Kan broadcaster.
The restrictions cover the Negev, Lachish and the Dead Sea areas, Kan reported.
It added that large gatherings can only be held if participants can reach a protected area in case of an incoming missile alert.
Earlier, the Education Ministry announced that there would be no classes throughout the country on Monday.
Israel announces ‘wave of strikes in Tehran’
The Israeli military says it has “just begun a wave of strikes” targeting the Iranian government infrastructure in Tehran.
This comes after Iranian missile attacks that wounded more than 100 people in southern Israel. Tehran said its assault was in retaliation for strikes on its Natanz nuclear facility.
Iranian missile breaches defences at Dimona, home of Israel’s nuclear programme
This was a very significant attack on what is a very strategically important city.
Dimona is pretty much the home of Israel’s nuclear programme in the Negev Desert, down in the south of the country. It does appear that one ballistic missile got through its defences, and there was a direct strike.
We also understand that there were several other impacts reported around the city. The number of casualties has been put now at over 50, most of those requiring hospital treatment, with one 12-year-old boy said to be in a very serious condition with shrapnel injuries.
According to the Iranians, this was in retaliation for the attack on its Natanz nuclear facility. Israel has said it didn’t take part in that attack, and that it was an American operation. But Israel has accepted responsibility for other attacks recently, including one on what they say was a nuclear weapons research centre at a university in Tehran.
Dimona has been the subject of attacks throughout Saturday.
There have been a total of seven air raid alerts in the city as missiles tried to get through. Given the strategic importance of this city and the fact that Israel prides itself on intercepting a high ratio of incoming missiles, there is going to be an investigation into how this missile got through.
Qatar says helicopter crashed in its waters, search operation under way
Qatar’s Ministry of Defence has announced that a helicopter suffered a technical malfunction during a routine duty, which led to its crash in the regional waters of the state.
A search operation for its crew members and passengers is in progress, the ministry said.
Explosion reported near tanker off of UAE’s Sharjah
The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) agency says it has received a report of an explosion near a bulk carrier, some 15 nautical miles (28km) north of Sharjah in the UAE.
The blast occurred “from an unknown projectile in close proximity to the vessel”, it said.
“All crew are reported safe.”
IRGC claims attacks on Israeli cities and Gulf bases
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) says it targeted Israeli military installations and security centres in the cities of Arad, Dimona, Eilat, Beersheba and Kiryat Gat in its most recent missile salvo.
The IRGC also claimed attacks on the Ali Al Salem base in Kuwait, as well as Al Minhad and Al Dhafra bases in the United Arab Emirates.
It said that more than 200 people were killed in the attacks.
Israel, however, has reported no deaths. The Israeli ambulance service said 88 people were injured in Arad, and that in Dimona, it referred 39 wounded people to the hospital.
Injury toll in Arad rises to 88
Israel’s ambulance service says at least 88 people were wounded in the Iranian missile attack on the southern city of Arad.
It said 10 of the victims were in serious condition and 19 were in moderate condition.
Hezbollah says it targeted Israeli soldiers in south Lebanon
The Lebanese armed group says its fighters have fired a barrage of rockets at Israeli soldiers who were patrolling the town of Markaba in south Lebanon.
The group said it launched another rocket attack on Israeli soldiers in the border town of al-Aadaissah.
There were no immediate reports on casualties.
>>2749597I don't think they thought about much of anything except the epstein releases being completely catastriphic. they had greenblatt calling them in one ear and the rising timbre of the questions about that baby trump spiked into lake michigan in the other and kicked off operation reddit bacon as a pressure release because they actually believe in americam exceptionalism.
>>2749570Luther and most of the reformers never said or agreed that bible was the only real authority, where every hick's personal interpretation of the bible is as good as any. Bible is only the highest among tradition, existing church doctrine, revelation, etc.
Amerimutt protestant sects really went off the deep end when they thought that was exactly what the reformers had meant with sola scriptura.
Also what formalized the schism was catholic excommunication and effective crusade against the protestant German princes and the backlash to that. Later post augsburg breakup make it even worse. The wars and later the 30 years war made both sides double down politically and theologically. The reformation and countering the reformation gave full justification for many princes, rebels or anybody of any kind of grievance against the current order to do just about anything to each other if they just fell on the wrong side. The status quo post bellum then was just Augsburg peace, but everybody on both sides more radicalized and just hating each others guts just for the sake of being protestant/catholic.
Wave 73 of the Revolutionary Guard: Collapse of the occupation's air defenses… and targeting of Israeli military centers
The public relations department of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps confirmed on Sunday that areas in the south and north of the occupied Palestinian territories were subjected to severe strikes in the 73rd wave of “True Promise 4” operations.
The Guard's public relations department explained that "military installations and security centers in Arad, Dimona, Eilat, Beersheba and Kiryat Gat were targeted," noting that "targeting these installations comes after the collapse of the Zionist air defense system, and the bases of Ali Salem, Menhad and Al Dhafra belonging to the US Army."
She also stated that "field reports showed more than 200 dead and wounded in the first hours of the attack."
The Revolutionary Guard noted that "the Zionist security authorities have increased their pressure on journalists and eyewitnesses to cover up the destruction and report the losses."
Israeli media had previously reported that 8 people were killed and 100 injured in the initial toll from an Iranian missile strike in Arad, in the southern occupied Palestinian territories.
Israeli media also reported that dozens were injured after several sites in the city of Dimona , in the southern occupied territories, were hit by Iranian missiles.
A senior Iranian official told Al-Mayadeen: Tehran sets 6 conditions for ending the war
A senior Iranian political and security official revealed to Al-Mayadeen on Sunday that some regional parties and mediators had conveyed proposals to Tehran to stop the war, but Iran had set conditions that "must be taken seriously," noting that the Islamic Republic had stipulated six basic conditions for stopping the war, within a new strategic legal equation.
<Iran's conditions for ending the war
The senior Iranian official explained that his country's demands are, firstly, guarantees that the war will not be repeated, and secondly, the closure of American military bases in the region.
The third demand is that the aggressors pay compensation to Iran, and the fourth is to end the wars on all fronts in the region.
The official added that the fifth Iranian demand is to impose a new legal regime for the Strait of Hormuz, and the sixth demand is to prosecute and hand over members of media outlets hostile to Iran.
<"We are implementing a pre-prepared plan with great strategic patience."
The Iranian official also pointed out that "what Iran is currently implementing in its defensive war is a plan that it prepared several months ago," and that Tehran is implementing this plan "stage by stage and with great strategic patience."
<"Iran imposes complete control over enemy airspace."
The official pointed out that "Iran now has complete control over the enemy's airspace after destroying its air defense infrastructure," stressing that "with this Iranian military control that has been achieved, Iran does not see any prospect of a ceasefire in the near future." He also affirmed that Tehran intends to "continue the policy of punishing the aggressor, until a historic lesson is taught to the American-Zionist aggression and to US President Donald Trump."
>>2749586Israelis are waaaaay more willing to kill and die than saffers, they are totally unhinged.
You underestimate just how crazy that society is, how far they're willing to go, and how few people are willing to tap the brakes. 90+% of Israelis still think the war with Iran is a good idea and want it to continue.
>>2749619>The official pointed out that "Iran now has complete control over the enemy's airspace after destroying its air defense infrastructure," stressing that "with this Iranian military control that has been achieved, Iran does not see any prospect of a ceasefire in the near future." He also affirmed that Tehran intends to "continue the policy of punishing the aggressor, until a historic lesson is taught to the American-Zionist aggression and to US President Donald Trump."Holy shit. It's over for burgerstan, isn't it?
>>2749620Israelis are a typical example of someone that only talks big when their older sibling is around to defend them. If America abandoned Israel they would likely all jump ship rather than die in hellfire for a barren piece of land. The Israeli/Zionist obsession with "protecting their existence" is largely the same as South Africans: opportunistic colonialism. There's no religious basis for Palestine belonging to Jews beyond the fact America and a bunch of rich Zionist Americans/Europeans said so. Most Jews, even if they deny it, are aware of this and have no special loyalty to that piece of land.
>>2749620almost all Israelis are willing to kill, murder, rape, maim or watch it happen with glee, not so many are willing to die or even endure any kind of major hardship.
>>2749570>It's like how when the French Revolution started, you actually had crowds in Paris greet King Louis as "The King of a Free People", even though they were directly rebelling against his authority. After that first step, the door was opened to cutting aristocrats heads off.Well yeah, it was common for commoners and the merchant bourgeoisie to appeal to the king against the aristocracy. Absolutism leveled the king up relative to the aristocracy, which is how liberal revolutions could try to work out an arrangement to have a constitutional monarchy (unless the situation radicalized and they cut the king's head off too).
>>2749570>I think the retards in the Trump admin took the title "Supreme Leader" too literally for Khomeini and thought it was something like the Fuhrer or whatever. Its the trope of "If you kill Hitler, you defeat Nazi Germany". Its akin to murdering Iran's Pope as I see it.Technically speaking, the Israelis killed him, not Trump. I suspect the Israelis know more about Shia Islam than the Trump administration does. Now, I don't know what they think is exactly supposed to happen, but really I think they just have a total war mentality.
>>2749620>Israelis are waaaaay more willing to kill and die than saffers, they are totally unhinged. You underestimate just how crazy that society is, how far they're willing to go, and how few people are willing to tap the brakes. ^^^
>>2749620they are willing to do any kind of murder and barbarism gleefully, but israeli are fundamentally cowards not ready to die for anything. The whole israeli ideal is presupposed on not wanting to die and being ready to commit any atrocity to prevent it.
Iran vows ‘tit-for-tat’ retaliation following Trump’s threats
This is not the first time that Iranians are facing attacks on their infrastructure.
Previously, in the second week of the war, the Iranian energy minister said some of the country’s electricity and water infrastructure were targeted. And now [with Trump’s threat], we’re facing another potential major blow.
We have to keep in mind that Iranians have witnessed devastating attacks by the Americans and Israelis on oil facilities in the capital. Those strikes created a lot of damage, specifically when it comes to environmental aspects.
Water, soil and air contamination became a serious health concern for people living in Tehran, and that risk remains if further strikes materialise.
We saw an immediate reaction from the Iranian side — the spokesperson for the Khatam al-Anbiya headquarters came out shortly after Trump’s statement to spell out a tit-for-tat strategy, and this is very much part of Iran’s posture since the beginning of these airstrikes.
They’re saying that if a bank is attacked, we’re going to attack banks. If an oil facility is targeted, we’re going to do the same. So this is just an echo of the same statement that we heard from the spokesperson.
Explosions heard in Baghdad
Our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic are reporting hearing “large explosions” to the west of the Iraqi capital.
This comes moments after an Iraqi security official said that air defences intercepted two drones near a US logistics camp in the vicinity of the Baghdad international airport.
We’ll bring you more when we have it.
Iran’s warns of attacks on regional energy and water sites if its power grid is hit
Iran’s military has threatened to attack all energy infrastructure linked to the US and Israel in the Middle East if its power plants are targeted.
Ebrahim Zolfaghari, spokesperson for Iran’s Khatam al-Anbiya central command, said that Iran will also attack desalination plants and information technology infrastructure linked to the US and Israel.
The warning came after Trump threatened to attack Iranian power plants if Iran failed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 48 hours.
The Fars news agency, meanwhile, noted that the late chief of the Iranian Supreme National Security Council, Ali Larijani, had warned that “the entire region will be blacked out within half an hour” if Iran’s electricity grid was targeted.
>>2749629Wildcard - those were launched from Kilo submarines.
Saudi Arabia intercepts more drones
The Saudi Ministry of Defense says it has intercepted and downed five drones over the Eastern Province within the last hour.
Iranian expert says oil could hit $150 a barrel if war drags on another 10 days
Mahdi Arabsadegh, a senior energy strategist affiliated with Iran’s Institution of Engineering and Technology, has predicted that oil prices will hit $150 per barrel in the global market if the US and Israel’s war on the country continues for another 10 days.
Arabsadegh told the Fars news agency that Iran’s closure of the Strait of Hormuz to “enemy ships” has prevented the passage of 21 million barrels of oil per day since the beginning of the war and has drastically affected supply.
He noted that the price of oil was $65 per barrel before the strait was shut, and it sharply rose to $119, despite US efforts to keep the price down.
This includes the Trump administration’s decision to waive sanctions on purchases of Iranian oil at sea for 30 days.
>>2749629How come there are denials of them doing the strike?
>>2749632Can you link these denials?
>>2749627>israeli are fundamentally cowards not ready to die for anything.I don't think that holds up, like just historically. But it's not mainly abstract ideals that people fight and die for, either. A lot of times when the shooting starts, that stuff flies out the window and what people are trying to do is survive. Most soldiers in World War II didn't fight for abstract ideals either, what motivated them was to kill as many of the other guys as fast as possible so the war would be over sooner. Or they fight because they're embedded in a social organization and don't want to let the other guys in their unit down. Israel is big on unit loyalties BTW, like specific brigades (Givati, Golani, Kfir, Nahal, etc., this propaganda video is specific to Kfir) so they also have internal rivalries between brigades more than between branches of the military.
>https://nitter.net/MenchOsintthis faggot is now dead as well
jesus what the fuck is going
any good feeds to follow?
>>2749635damn I didn't even know he was sick
>>2749633I should scrutinize better and check the more reliable accounts for confirmation
man we are SO fucked
If the usa doesn't need the straight of hormuz, why are they freaking out about it?
Hezbollah, Israeli forces fight for strategic town of Khiam
Hezbollah doesn’t tell us how many casualties it has suffered or what sort of damage it has suffered. Israel’s military speculates on the number of fighters it has killed, but there’s no way of getting independent verification.
This evening, Hezbollah has said that it’s been fighting with Israeli forces, with medium and long-range weapons, for the town of Khiam, which is a strategically important town.
Israel, in previous confrontations with Hezbollah, has tried to take this town, but never managed to do so. The town is strategically important because if Israel gets it, it cuts off Hezbollah’s supply routes from the east to the south. And Hezbollah needs to keep it, because it gives a panorama view over southern Lebanon and northern Israel.
It is fair to say that, since the last conflict, Hezbollah has been weakened. Its traditional supply lines from Iran through Syria have been cut off, so it is in a weakened position, but impossible to say exactly how so.
‘Extremely terrifying explosions’ reported in east and west Tehran
Vahid Online, an Iranian blogger, says that “extremely terrifying explosions” have been felt in the west and east of the Iranian capital, including the eastern suburbs of Pardis and the nearby city of Damavand.
The Mamlekate, another collective of bloggers, also reported at least three “powerful explosions” near Damavand.
The reports come after Israel announced launching attacks on Iranian infrastructure in Tehran, and after Trump threatened to hit Iranian power plants if the country fails to fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 48 hours.
According to the Associated Press news agency, Iran’s largest power plants include the Damavand plant near Tehran (2,868 megawatts of capacity), the Kerman plant in southeastern Iran (1,910 MW), and the Ramin steam power plant in Khuzestan province (1,890 MW). The country’s sole nuclear plant at Bushehr on Iran’s southern coast produces about 1,000 MW.
UAE responding to missile and drone threats from Iran
The UAE’s Ministry of Defence says its air defence are responding to incoming missile and drone threats from Iran.
We’ll bring you more when we have it.
>>2749635wait, what happened to Mench?
Al-Moussawi told Al-Mayadeen: What matters to Hezbollah now is confronting the Israeli invasion.
Hezbollah's official in charge of resources and borders, Nawaf al-Moussawi, asserted that "the war on Iran will be without limits," noting that "the Islamic Republic is in a state of self-defense, as is the resistance in Lebanon, which is facing aggression."
Speaking to Al-Mayadeen , Al-Moussawi explained that the Israeli entity is being subjected to severe blows from Iran, stressing that the enemy’s attempt to advance on the ground in southern Lebanon “gives the resistance fighters greater opportunities to target its forces,” stressing that “the upper hand will be with the resistance if the Israelis engage in ground combat.”
He stressed that the resistance views ground fighting as an opportunity, not a threat, noting that the media campaign against it has been ongoing since 1982, and that the priority remains what is happening on the ground.
He also asserted that the Israeli occupation “will not negotiate with those who are out of touch with reality” in Lebanon, stressing that “what matters to the resistance is confronting this invasion,” while he believed that the current Lebanese authority “lacks political experience and wisdom.”
Nawaf al-Moussawi added that "the resistance today, in any location in the world, views the martyr Ali Khamenei as the pioneer of the new era in confronting American hegemony."
He stressed that "whoever fears the time factor will begin to collapse."
He continued: "Whoever calls for a ceasefire will be in a position of surrender, and we should have the patience to confront them until the enemy asks to surrender."
>>2749514>>2749520If the Sunnis are like the Protestants and the Shias the Catholics, what would that make the Ibadis?
>>2749273>>2749586Yeah south africa never went as far as the zios did in gaza
Did dumpf know Iran would fight back?
>>2749658
They might not collapsein the same way is way i mean it might be far worse
>>2749664
Most Israelis would rather flee to the other side of the world than be equals with Palestinians so their population would negligible.
>>2749664
I can't speak for others but I just want total Israeli extermination
>>2749664
there are approximately 5m palestinian arabs in the occupied territories. there are about 7-8m israeli jews and about 2m israeli arabs.
this means in one state there would be a close to even split. and the arabs breed faster (like cockroaches!). and also some of the israeli jews might leave if there was suddenly one state and more arabs in their state.
maintaining jewish supremacy would not be difficult in this situation and sooner or later zionism would fall apart, which is why israel opposes one state unless the palestinians are expelled to other countries first.
>>2749673
they would tend to vote against jewish supremacy/apartheid against non-jews (themselves).
>>2749664
it would be paired with the right of return for Palestinian refugees of which there were 5 million in 2012. there is definitely more now. they live mainly in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Palestinians have been demanding the right of return since 1948. this is a group of people who have held to this demand for decades and clearly would return if they had the chance. meanwhile many Israelis are fickle and have dual citizenship. many Israelis would leave as they would find it offensive to share equal rights with Palestinians an many Palestinians would return.
>>2749664
it would still be orders of magnitude better for everyone in the region than the status quo, also i don't think as many israelis would oppose it as some of you seem to think
>>2749636>>2749646im not saying he's literally dead but there's been no new posts for two days
>>2749653
those "people" are all probably bots
>>2749318no its not. iranian oil is subject to price manipulation by western cartels. the exact opposite of monopoly.
>>2749658
they also contract labor from india and sea
>>2749672> and the arabs breed faster (like cockroaches!)they don't
>>2749690they have been fleeing in record numbers since Al-Aqsa Flood
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-emigration-record-numbers/>>2749696and in the meantime there were 366,000 births in israel
>>2749629how do >we know for sure it was a ballistic missile attack from the mainline and not a based
chinese vessel in the indian ocean?
>>2749700
the birth rate for palestinians is higher than israelis. not by a lot, but that just means over time the place would become more arab and less jewish.
and it doesn't matter what i think. israeli's believe the "racist trope" which is one of the reasons they completely oppose any idea of one state. the animals could just out-breed them.
>>2749642Speak for yourself Ziorat.
Iran is fixing the Israelis' sleep schedules by launching a barrage in 8 am there.
>>2749686
it would be so much better because the palestinians aren't living in refugee camps or 21st century reservations? or being bombed to death? it shouldn't be that hard to figure it out, also that "erm there'd be more israelis therefore bad!" presumes that every singular israeli wants to annihilate them, also even if they don't form a majority they'd still be able to force the governments that form into certain policies for them
>>2749710haredi jews have so many children it wouldn't matter either way
>>2749730
i'd say half of them probably do, the other half don't really care, they wouldn't really give a shit if there were a bunch of palestinian returnees as long as they still made enough money, and to some of them it's even abhorrent with the current state of affairs
>>2749733
a lot of those polls almost certainly don't include haredis or other populations who don't really care about israel but live there
>>2749741
it's literally true i don't know what to tell you, this was the same in the USA in the 19th century, they weren't all genocidaires hungry for indian blood, many of them opposed it, same in south africa too, and even if true, then exactly what solution is better? i'm not talking about fantasy ones like the palestinians and other arabs in israel revolting and and declaring total israeli expulsion, but something that can actually happen, what's your alternative, a 2 state solution that furthers the divide? a total israeli victory that displaces most palestinians and turns them into an entirely diasporic people?
>>2749704Huh, wonder why so many of them have dual citizenships… almost as if they aren't locals.
https://xcancel.com/Marwa__Osman/status/2035294770277335078#mCan anyone tell me if this is real? Actual hardline heart hardening resolve?
>>2749273if israel has to castle their nuclear research in a hurry they're going to do a botch job. fucking idiots.
>>2749750
sorry i don't entertain delusions
>>2749760
"endless polls" and it's all citing the same one that doesn't really disprove my point (that a substantial amount of the israeli jewish population doesn't really care about the project to destroy palestinians, doesn't want it, or supports it because they were raised to do so) meanwhile saying insane shit like a 1 state solution with palestinians in israeli territory is worse than the status quo because "there's a bit more israelis than them", so no i don't entertain your delusions
>>2749755This gif will not never be funny.
>>2749747>i'm not talking about fantasy ones like the palestinians and other arabs in israel revolting and and declaring total israeli expulsionwhy can't this happen?
seriously it happened in south africa, why can't it happen in palestine? israelis aren't some ancient civilization with an established history. the "country" is only 80 years old. Their prime minister (and dictator for the last 30 years) was born in America. Israelis will just flee back to Europe and America when the Zionist Project ends. They certainly won't stick around and co-exist with Arabs. At least most of them won't. Some may stay, maybe 10-20%, and they'll probably be fine, just like South Africa. Simply recognizing a Palestinian state is enough to make Zionists flee back to their gated communities in Florida.
>>2749701
With that logic why didn't South Africans/Rhodesians just hire Indians and Filipinos to do the jobs they'd otherwise needs black people for?
>>2749771>why can't this happen?palestinians in israel are at best 1 in 5 people and most of them are not militant
>seriously it happened in south africa, why can't it happen in palestine?palestinians are a minority in israel, as mentioned before, and are in general fragmented, not to mention that the only group of people in israel that could inflict damage would be migrant workers, which even then is unlikely
>israelis aren't some ancient civilization with an established history. the "country" is only 80 years old.israel as a country has backing within itself, also if this claim about "israelis will flee back to europe and america" was true, then israel should have just folded over, except it hasn't, most israelis are born in israel, and most see this as a place they would rather die than surrender, you see it in the west bank settlers, despite strong opposition to them and the fact they could almost certainly move to other parts of israeli territory, they instead stay there in spite of the danger, and i'll say it again, stop engaging in delusional thinking because it appeals to what you think
>They certainly won't stick around and co-exist with Arabsas i mentioned before, it is almost certain most of them don't really care
>>2749774i'm not saying all of them do, i'm saying you have to actually look at what they believe and use this to get something better, also stop with this whole "you're defending israel by not being delusional!" angle, you said outright (or at least someone who speaks similarly to you) that palestinians living in a single-state would be in a worse condition than the status quo since there's a fair bit more israelis than them, kill yourself for that
The current situation works to decrease Israel's population already, as
>>2749706 shows. Israelis will move when it's apparent they will never have American protection again. Some nutjobs may remain but the point is that the Zionist project is over.
>>2749619>and the sixth demand is to prosecute and hand over members of media outlets hostile to Iran.what does this even look like
>>2749762The state will experience a quicker brain drain since the affluent will exodus before the curly haired poors who don't have to fight in the idf and spit on people. They might stay along with the evangelical jew zionists so there won't be enough competent people to govern near the end of the exodus from the state until they have no choice but to share power.
>>2749777Israel is incapable of defending itself without help from powerful outside forces. Once America is out, it will be pummeled continuously for years. They may have enough resolve for a month or a year, but very few will choose to live in Ukraine 2 forever. Israel doesn't have Soviet infrastructure built to withstand nuclear war either, so it will break faster.
>>2749778>Israelis will move when it's apparent they will never have American protection againsource: crackpipe
>The current situation works to decrease Israel's population alreadyisrael's population is growing primarily due to haredis, which as i mention over and over again, are the actual biggest threat to israel since they have countless children who mostly don't work, don't really participate in politics and don't participate in the military
>>2749780maybe a substantial chunk would leave the country, of course presuming a fantastical scenario in which they give up hegemonic status, however the population would still recover relatively quickly
>>2749777>palestinians are a minority in israel, as mentioned before, and are in general fragmented, not to mention that the only group of people in israel that could inflict damage would be migrant workers, which even then is unlikely<Israel's current population is 10,000,000, with only 75% of that being Jews<Palestine's current population is 5,500,000, with 90% being Palestinian Arabs<Another 6,000,000 Palestinians live outside of Palestine either as refugees or full-fledged immigrantsA Palestinian right of return policy would pretty much annihilate the Jewish majority in the region, which is precisely why Zionists fiercely oppose such a measure.
>>2749783as i mentioned, within israel itself, which still doesn't invalidate the point, the reality is though is that if we want even this scenario the best way to do so is through sanctioning israel and attempting to mobilize the reasonable israelis towards it, or at the very least ones that are willing to give up absolute dominance in exchange for simple economic dominance
>>2749782>israel's population is growing primarily due to haredis, which as i mention over and over again, are the actual biggest threat to israel since they have countless children who mostly don't work, don't really participate in politics and don't participate in the militaryHaredis absolutely participate in politics. They're the ones that vote Likud no matter what to guarantee the continued expansion of Jewish settlements in Palestine, which are primarily populated by militant Haredis that think it's their god-given mandate to repopulate the land with Jews.
>>2749785>Haredis absolutely participate in politicsi mean in the sense they don't really care whether israel exists as is or not
>>2749785>They're the ones that vote Likudthey don't, they actually have parties that appeal specifically to haredis, what you're thinking of are just the really religious orthodox who vote likud
>>2749793
do you think a one state solution is worse than the status quo because there are a fair bit more israelis than palestinians?
>>2749796
yes, they support netenyahu because they want the government to fund their lifestyle, UTJ don't really care about zionism, whereas shas does, this still doesn't prove the point i've made
>>2749799
i should mention that the number of haredim is lower than what this indicates, since you refuse to acknowledge the fact that a substantial amount of haredim are isolated and don't really care, as all this proves is that those who are counted in the israeli census as haredim (which is only 8%, rather than the true 14%) are strict zionists
>>2749804
do you think a one state solution is worse than the status quo because there are a fair bit more israelis than palestinians?
>>2749784I think you're approaching this from a much too idealist(dare I say, liberal) perspective. So long as the US relationship with Israel remains, sanctions will do nothing to damage Israelis or pressure them to do anything "peacefully". The moment the US relationship with Israel ends, the Israeli state will collapse in on itself without American gibs propping up their social safety net, not to mention their military. Israel is not capable of sustaining itself as a state without the US. Literally 100% of our effort should be in severing the US-Israel relationship. Once that goes through Palestine rising from the ashes of the Zionist Experiment becomes a foregone conclusion. There's not really any need for a slow and meticulous game of waiting it out tbh. This is a situation where we should be pressuring Americans to do more to end the relationship through changing public attitudes against Israel. I guess that's similar to sanctions but formal sanctions will never work against Israel so long as the US supports them.
>>2749791Historically Haredis oppose Zionism as a secular movement but they still vote overwhelmingly far-right because the far-right promise them more gibs and they do tend to be the ones populating settlements along with other ultra-orthodox sects. They're pretty much as fake as the Amish when it comes to their religious values.
>>2749808
i'm asking you a question you haven't even acknowledged, something that's more zionist than anything i said
>>2749532Those are some sweet cheeks.
>>2749807>I think you're approaching this from a much too idealist(dare I say, liberal) perspective. So long as the US relationship with Israel remains, sanctions will do nothing to damage Israelis or pressure them to do anything "peacefully". The moment the US relationship with Israel ends, the Israeli state will collapse in on itself without American gibs propping up their social safety net, not to mention their military. Israel is not capable of sustaining itself as a state without the US. Literally 100% of our effort should be in severing the US-Israel relationship. Once that goes through Palestine rising from the ashes of the Zionist Experiment becomes a foregone conclusion. There's not really any need for a slow and meticulous game of waiting it out tbh. This is a situation where we should be pressuring Americans to do more to end the relationship through changing public attitudes against Israel. I guess that's similar to sanctions but formal sanctions will never work against Israel so long as the US supports them.the israeli state sort of can't "collapse in on itself" even if it is indeed very dependent on the united states, this is also not a liberal or "idealist" (silly buzzword for the most part) way of thinking, does israel greatly benefit from foreign backing? yes, but does israel need it to survive? no, as israel can secure weapons from states like russia, if anything though it would probably result in israeli policy moderating, so it would still be better than the status quo
>>2749611>Hezbollah says it targeted Israeli soldiers in south LebanonWhat's Lebanon's status? Has Hezbollah actually reconstituted?
>>2749815I don't think Russia is capable of keeping Israel afloat. Military support is one thing but the Israeli state is extremely dependent on America for its economy. Russia just doesn't have enough economic weight to spend billions on things like subsidizing Israeli tech workers or paying for Israel's universal healthcare system. Keep in mind like 40% of Israelis are secular Jews that just think they're living in America. Tel Aviv would lose half its population if they couldn't maintain a first world quality of life.
>>2749818if anything it'll be better for them than most due to them having a large amount of russian speakers but also a large amount of russians in general, also the fact that russia on occasions uses israel to dodge sanctions
>>2749820i don't see how this would lead to a collapse of any kind, other than it would destablize israel for a bit, and also i'm not singularly referring to russia, i'm referring to any state with good relations, military or economic with israel, if anything shows they'll put on hard mode again and possibly come out stronger, though i'm not a fan of speculating on this front
>>2749771> Simply recognizing a Palestinian state is enough to make Zionists flee back to their gated communities in Florida.I don't think so. People think Israeli Jews are like American Jews, and there are some American Jews who do move there, but most of them are not like the ones in Boca Raton (haven't been to Israel but I've been to Boca Raton).
I once sheltered in an Israeli guy's apartment (weird story, don't need to get into it), and he had served in the IDF, and turns out he grew up in Moscow where he was some kind of shot caller for Dynamo Moscow hooligans. He was also anti-Palestinian as hell. Anwyays, there is that proletarian soldier layer in Israeli society that doesn't really exist among American Jews. I really don't think you understand the kind of people you're dealing with.
>>2749820>Military support is one thing but the Israeli state is extremely dependent on America for its economyThere's a lot of trade back and forth but I don't actually think that's going away anytime soon, but I do think military aid will end, maybe even as soon as the next administration comes in. Newsom is already talking about this. But in reality there are Israeli right-wingers who also want to get off U.S. military subsidies and it will tie into this increasing emphasis on states relying more on their own production.
>>2749692a monopoly means you have market control, that's why monopolies are discourages/not desirable.
>>2749826thank you for showing reality in this thread, i think a lot of people underestimate just how committed a fair number of israelis are towards israel, or in general underestimate israel as a coward's state, when it possesses enough that it could be a surprising bit self sufficient, think of the fact things like cultured meat are emerging in israel and other such technologies, it isn't unfeasible to think israel even with a lot less american aid could survive and do pretty well
>>2749834it will never be self sufficient, they make money from usury
>>2749822>i'm not singularly referring to russia, i'm referring to any state with good relationsthe thing is the list of states that could do what America does in terms of colonial support is very small. it's basically just russia, china, the EU, and possibly india, and all of them have reasons that would make them worse than the US as a partner for the Zionist Experiment. in any case even if the israeli state survives this i agree it would cause things to improve as israelis are forced to make political concessions to survive without the burgerreich.
>>2749826>Anwyays, there is that proletarian soldier layer in Israeli society that doesn't really exist among American Jews. I really don't think you understand the kind of people you're dealing with.I've never met an IDF soldier but I've met enough Arab chauvinist ex-military types that I think I have an idea. They lie and bluff constantly to make themselves appear tough. They always need to be the center of attention and always have a story to one-up the one you just told. They aren't exactly cowards when shit hits the fan but they are generally reckless idiots.
>Newsom is already talking about this.No he isn't lol.
>But in reality there are Israeli right-wingers who also want to get off U.S. military subsidies and it will tie into this increasing emphasis on states relying more on their own production.They've been pushing this talking point for a while to make themselves feel more self-reliant but realistically every Israeli that isn't delusional knows they can't sustain their own military. Israel, a nation of 10 million people, just declared war on Iran, a nation of 90 million people, and like 100x its geographic size. They would not be able to do this without American backing. Israel's military reach would be a fraction of what it currently is if they actually ended the US military relationship.
I could see Israel forming a strategic anti-Muslim partnership with India tbh but India's basically incapable of projecting force in the Middle East when they're constantly under pressure from China.
>>2749826Weird of you to use a Russian """Jew""" as an example to drive home your point. These would actually be one of the first groups to run & emigrate in a severe SHTF scenario, despite their over-compensating chauvinism.
>>2749834I think Israel could survive but it would not survive in its current state and it would need to include Palestinian Arabs or straight up lose the demographic war to an internationally recognized Palestine. It would have to make a pretty major societal transition to being more Middle East and less European-larping, and actually get along with its neighbors instead of waving a big stick.
>>2749837I'm sure they have certain benefits, but generally a monopoly gives a small number of people the power to ignore market forces (market forces are what people want) so that's not a good thing
>>2749840in this case the market forces are 'people want oil' and Iran, having at least a regional monopoly on the supply of oil, has decided to act against that.
>>2749840>market forces are what people wantNO ONE wants ANARCHY people want PLANS
There's a theory i see gaining traction that this whole thing was planned as a controlled demolition of the entire middle east oil industry. the US knew Iran would close the strait, and knew that if they struck Iranian oil infrastructure, Iran would destroy all the rest in the region.
The end result of this controlled demolition is the US stands as one of the leading oil suppliers in the world and the leading LNG supplier, facing a world desperate to buy because they have nowhere else to go. Europe literally has nowhere else to go because they cut off Russia, and most of the rest of the world can't all be supplied by Russia or other smaller suppliers so they will have to come to the US and the US can basically set any price it wants. From there it continues a project to squeeze out Russia and consolidates a virtual monopoly that will guarantee its hegemony for decades to come.
This is where Trump's current threats to bomb Iranian oil infrastructure come in. He knows what Iran's response will be and that is the next step of the plan. And in this case it is not mainly Israel driving this or controlling the US. They are just being used too, though willingly. The US secures its global hegemony and Israel's reward will be eventual regional hegemony and Greater Israel.
>>2749834For most its modern history it was a relatively poor country. The tech stuff really took off there in 1990s but they fought several major wars with surrounding Arab states equipped by the Soviet Union.
>>2749835They make money selling weapons which is big money and that's not going to stop even when the U.S. cuts direct military aid (which acts as an indirect subsidy to U.S. arms companies anyways). In the past they were able to sell Western-style weapons to all kinds of crazy countries during the Cold War at a lower price point because Israeli labor costs were lower.
>>2749836Newsom is doing it, but I view him very cynically, like he can say it's time to end military aid to Israel, but Israel is also preparing for that, but what will not end is the arms sales and joint production of weapons, which is extensive.
>>2749836>the thing is the list of states that could do what America does in terms of colonial support is very smallcolonial support here is irrelevant for the most part, israel has received so much seed money that even if say russia were to give them support or through their extensive trade relations, they managed to scrounge up enough money, they can pretty much survive for the most part, although they can't be as reckless as they are now, but they may not need to be either if things keep going their way
>>2749838it's because it's some guy he happened to know, shocker
>>2749839which is part of the point i'm making, but also israel managed to survive with a lot less support than it did now in the 50s and 60s (inb4 someone mentions britain and france aiding israel, yes i know, but still israel was doing a lot of the work itself), they can always pull in austerity and larger economic measures if it comes down to it, since that's what they did back then
>>2749845>They make money selling weapons that's just another form of usery in my book
>>2749826>I really don't think you understand the kind of people you're dealing with.wow cool gay nazis, very scare, I crie. hilltop youth (lmao. they really called themselves the mountain jews?) aren't going to act so tough when they're no longer fighting old men and unarmed families.
>>2749844Trump is too stupid to plan this + is too financially entangled with the Saudis to want to see them lose.
>>2749844i think this is partially true in the sense that this is likely what they're doing at least now, even if it wasn't necessarily their plan, since now they can use their economic and military power to use venezuela and guyana as a great source of oil for the united states in the future
>>2749844I think that once there is no oil, there won't be a demand for oil, but we'll actually go renewable. Pakistan recently went almost fully solar IIRC
https://cleantechnica.com/2025/04/04/pakistans-22-gw-solar-shock-how-a-fragile-state-went-full-clean-energy/ and Cuba is producing half of what Hoover dam is producing just with solar and that's just from a couple of months. From the Pakistan article
>That 22 gigawatts isn’t the result of perfect governance or unlimited funds. It’s what happens when global markets make disruptive energy products that fit in containers dirt cheap. Every country should be opening their borders wide to Chinese solar, batteries and EVs. Even Pakistan gets that, so clearly no major western country would be so foolish as to close their borders instead.I dunno. I think it's over for big oil.
>>2749848>hilltop youthThose guys are deadbeats. I'm talking about the army, you moron.
>>2749846>which is part of the point i'm making, but also israel managed to survive with a lot less support than it did now in the 50s and 60s (inb4 someone mentions britain and france aiding israel, yes i know, but still israel was doing a lot of the work itself), they can always pull in austerity and larger economic measures if it comes down to it, since that's what they did back thenThe main argument against Israel's survival in this scenario is that the Israeli society is built around prosperity and first world living and many Jews will simply go back to where they came from rather than stick around in a Russiafied Israel. That's not to say all of them will leave, but I'd guess 50% of Israeli Jews, including the vast majority of secular Jews, would leave, and the rest would be overwhelmed by Palestinians(remember the current population of Palestine is 6 million, which would already outnumber the 5 million Israelis choosing to stick around before you factor in a Palestinian right of return).
I guess IF they negotiated a peace and mutual economic development treaty with Palestine or setup some East/West Germany situation it could work fine but I very much doubt Israelis have the pragmatism to do that. The ones sticking around will be mostly ideological hardliners and religious extremists that believe God gave them that land and refuse to share it with anyone.
>>2749854it'll last at least another 10-20 years if anything, which is a good thing but also means the USA has the ability to beat any country in the americas to use their oil
>>2749851well, if this is true it was surely planned by the Deep State and "advisors", not by Trump personally. He's just the their puppet (who they can later throw under the bus as a crazy guy and we never intended this and it was all his fault …wink).
>>2749852well, a good planner likes win-win scenarios. If Iran falls right away you take a win that way. If they don't then you get a win this way.
>>2749852Venezuela is still not fully capitulated to the United States that they'd decide to destroy the Middle East under the assumption Venezuelan oil is coming our way. I could see a popular revolution popping up to overthrow Delcy as a traitor to the revolution in the next 1-2 years.
>>2749857Israeli society will have to be de-zionified and Palestine will have to be a multi-national worker republic. Any kind of Palestinian secular bourgeois state with a large Zionist minority will be just West Germany 2.0. We want a East Germany in West Asia, thoughever.
>>2749857i can't imagine more than a third of israelis leaving even in the worst scenario, also my main problem with this scenario is it presumes that israel's economy will be greatly reduced but if you ask me it's just more austerity and paternalistic economic development, since israel has the tech workers, has the infrastructure and most things necessary for a "first world" economy, just not as much as flexibility as before
>>2749860venezuela sort of has no choice either way, if you can make a fair bit of money basically selling yourself out to the united states, i don't see why it would result in a "popular revolution" since it's likely economic conditions will improve, not to mention that venezuela also isn't the only major petrostate in the region, obviously as i mentioned there's guiana but there's a few others as well, more than enough for the usa
>>2749860the US is energy self-sufficient. it doesn't need Vz oil for itself. It wants to control who can and can't buy it and take a cut in the process. It is eliminating competition and limiting options for adversaries.
>>2749859>well, if this is true it was surely planned by the Deep State and "advisors", not by Trump personally. He's just the their puppet (who they can later throw under the bus as a crazy guy and we never intended this and it was all his fault …wink).I don't think the Deep State would plan to destroy Saudi Arabia which is arguably the most reliable US ally. Hell UAE and Qatar are also US allies. There's pretty much no reason to destroy that relationship just because America has temporarily gained access to new oil sources. The Arabs still sell that oil in dollars which is a huge economic advantage for the US, and they still provide a ton of oil to Europe which is basically part of America's sphere of influence. It's not like they've done anything to warrant America going scorched earth on them either. This just reeks of "Trump 5D chess" thinking where people try to work backwards from a stupid thing he did and come up with some justification to make it seem planned. In reality he's just an idiot.
>>2749864but if SA can't sell, where do its buyers go?
>>2749863and most importantly greatly improving their power in the americas and also being used as a springboard to reorient the US economy in future
>>2749862>israel has the tech workers, has the infrastructure and most things necessary for a "first world" economy, just not as much as flexibility as beforetech workers don't produce value. you can't feed people with code. Israel is geographically pretty barren. it's like trying to build Luxembourg in the middle of Siberia and thinking you can just import your entire economy through selling financial services. If you don't actually produce anything no one will trade with you. Israel's economy is extremely dependent on America "buying" all their service labor that produces nothing.
>>2749867>tech workers don't produce valuethey do produce valuable technology, like better desalination plants, cultured meats, hydroponics
>If you don't actually produce anything no one will trade with you. Israel's economy is extremely dependent on America "buying" all their service labor that produces nothing.they produce quite a bit of stuff
>>2749855so am I lmap. the idf is a groyper daycare. just because they torture small animals for fun doesn't mean they don't bleed. buc buc. do they think they can send a chicken to the icc?
How the fuck are there people trying to argue that Israel can be sufficient militarily without the US lol.
During the 12 Day war and this one, dozens of American systems had to augment Israeli AD so they can barely get a good-enough interception rate. THAADs, Patriots, jet aircraft interceptors and ISR support. In both instances you had C-5s and C-17s flying day and night so they can resupply them.
>>2749863>the US is energy self-sufficienton paper. in reality they export what they frack to import what they consume
>>2749872"can be" does not mean "is", also the israelis can purchase weapons from states like russia, serbia, etc
>>2749874Can Russia and Serbia constantly send in supplies from large military transports 24/7 if they ever get into a war like this?
>>2749875they can be forced to produce militarily and purchase other weapons from sources like russia and serbia
Looks like wave 74 of True Promise is off and headed for ashkelon refinery
>>2749862>i can't imagine more than a third of israelis leaving even in the worst scenarioShut up
The world will have to force them to leave, by giving them economic incentives and asylum status in western countries (because the west created Israel)
>>2749876As of right now the manufacturing for the most advanced Israeli systems actually takes place in the US.
You could argue that this is a choice of convenience for the Israelis and if forced to they can do it themselves, but the problem with that is that Israel's geography is extremely shit and doesn't provide enough depth. A lucky Iranian missile hit can destroy a good chunk of their manufacturing base, for example.
>>2749832>a monopoly means you have market control, it means lack of competition. capitalism is global and iran has to compete. its so underdeveloped that its main export isn't even a piece of technology but a raw natural resource, not even refined.
>that's why monopolies are discourages/not desirable.nah thats bullshit propaganda monopolies are highly encouraged, state sanctioned and desired. and recently american imperialists have even been openly advocating it saying things like "competition is for losers", because even they intuitively understand monopoly as the logical development of market competition
>>2749840>so that's not a good thingit doesn't matter if its good or bad it still happens. regulation under capitalism doesnt work we already tried that and it got repeatedly reversed. you need a workers dictatorship theres no way around it.
>>2749875https://eualive.net/serbias-secret-surge-arms-to-israel-skyrocket-despite-bans/The numbers tell a striking story of escalation. In 2023, Serbian arms exports to Israel totaled just €3 million. By 2024, that figure climbed to €48 million, and in 2025 it more than doubled again to a record €114 million (approximately $131 million). Official data from the Serbian Statistical Office confirm a 140 percent increase in 2025 alone, establishing a new high for bilateral military trade.
Open-source flight tracking reveals the logistical scale behind these figures. In 2024, 19 cargo flights carried weapons from Serbia to Israel; that number doubled to 38 in 2025. Since the start of 2026, at least 17 additional flights have been recorded departing from Belgrade, often bound for Israel’s Nevatim Air Base. Many of these involved Israeli military and civilian aircraft loading pallets at Belgrade airport. Investigations by Haaretz and the Balkan Investigative Reporting Network (BIRN) have documented that shipments included 155mm artillery shells, with photographs capturing crates being loaded onto planes despite public announcements to the contrary.
In June 2025, Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić declared a suspension of all military exports, yet deliveries to Israel persisted unabated.
>>2749881you should stop thinking purely in terms of what your boy marx decided was set in stone. The end result is the same, and if it quacks like a duck it is a duck. Iran has a monopoly over the supply of oil, and this is not a good thing for the world.
>>2749881>it means lack of competition.yes and what do you do with all the spare time and money you don't have to spend competing?
>>2749885>you should stop thinking purely in terms of what your boy marx decided was set in stonethat isn't whats going on here, and dismissing marx on a communist website isnt going to bolster your nonargument
>Iran has a monopoly over the supply of oilno it doesnt. not even close
>>2749794houdini u got great music taste i use to listen to that shit as a jitt
>>2749880all 3 of thieir major power plants are on one trunk line. lights out nation wide is one iranian airstrike.
>>2749650
What kind of retard talks like this?
>>2749548And solar panels
>>2749844Well, stocks of US energy companies are going up
>>2749844IMO, all this crap and elevated prices will just speed up renewables and electrification in general
>>2749947>the US and EU capitalist aren't to blame it's all Israel's faultforgot my text lol
Lotta hasbara since I left yesterday.
Iran really did hit isfaek hard, huh?
>>2749926f-15 is 80's top gun 1. super gay. for guys that ride each other's tails everytime.
f-16 is ace combat. ps2 graphics but can still fly.
f-35 is top gun 2. it seems flashy and hi tekk but really it's for boomers. basically an f-150 ford truck in plane form and half as aerodnamic as one. the cupholders cost as much as a hospital and are made of a classified material created by crystalizing pure corruption. piloted exactly like the car chairs in wall-e: an insulin resistant nugget sits in a seat and clicks on muslim girls while kahootz music is blasted into his ears. basically a modernised version of those ww2 missiles that navigated by pigeons pecking the target on a screen.
>>2749681The only good Israeli is a dead Israeli
>>2749926>Iranian Army, announced that an encroaching enemy F-15 aircraft was engaged in Iran's southern coastline, near Hormuz Island. The jet was intercepted and hit by surface-to-air missiles deployed by the Army's Air Defense Force.plz dont force us to go to xitter to understand context
>>2749977
man I dont care about that crazy bitch rambling, take it to the burger thread
>>2749977
>there is something so exciting ….
Another admission of psychopathy by the regime.
Tho I have no idea what her function is in the slightest I am assured by credible amerikkkan sources that it is of some import.
With super-heavy missiles, the Revolutionary Guard launches the 74th wave towards the occupation and American bases.
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard announced on Sunday that it had launched the 74th wave of Operation “True Promise 4” with super-heavy missiles towards Israel and American bases in the region.
In this wave, the Guard targeted the American “King Sultan” base and the American Fifth Fleet, and the terrorist hideout of the “Komala” group, with “Emad”, “Fateh”, “Qiam” missiles and suicide drones.
The Guard also attacked military and security bases in Tel Aviv, Petah Tikva, Holon, and Ramat Gan with heavy Qadr, Khybershken, and Khorramshahr 4 missiles.
<"The equations have changed in Iran's favor."
The Revolutionary Guard confirmed that “the confusion of CENTCOM’s strategic command, the collapse of the multi-layered American and Israeli air defense network in the West Asia region, and the disruption of the American weapons support system as a result of the smart measures and strikes of the Iranian armed forces against the enemies, have changed the equations of war in favor of Iran.”
He added: "We expected anger and helplessness from those who instigated the war, and we had previously warned against falling into the quagmire of aggression against Iran and a regional and comprehensive war."
The Guard also warned once again that "the response will be beyond what is expected and different from the current course, in the event of a repeat of the cowardly enemy crime against humanitarian centers and energy facilities in Iran."
Iran is achieving direct hits in its operations. Earlier today, Israeli media reported detecting missile launches from Iran towards the central region, confirming that 15 settlers were injured in the latest bombing of Tel Aviv, including one in critical condition.
Israeli media reported security incidents in "Al-Manara" and "Arad," amid the sound of sirens in occupied Jerusalem and explosions in the Shifala region, while the Israeli Ministry of Health announced that 303 injured people were transferred to hospitals during the past 24 hours.
>>2749932
Zoe are larry loomer should cry me a river
>>2750004Eh, nice try but it won't work after the media hammered in "death to america". Maybe somebody may ask questions, but most will just say: ah its muslim subterfuge.
>>2750004The Iranians needs not realize worse plays
>>2749987>first picthis is what winning looks like, btw
>>2749899zoomoids. they think talking like a 14 year old makes them sound cool and radical
>>2749899>>2750012It's just /pol/ language. I know I spend to much time on there but on xitter even commies talk like this. Everybody is a mind raped k*ke slave, goycattle etc.
>>2749999Obama had a conversation with him in a smoke filled room
>>2749927switch israel with the us, and remove the silencer because the eu aint doing shit lmao
>>2749649on of those small historic churches everyone overlooks like the copts
>>2749844I wouldn’t be surprised if this may be the case. But just like the tariffs, and the false flag. They implement this plan before building the infrastructure needed to carry it out. No industrial policy or even subsidies to industries. No new refineries prepped for this. Cart before the horse.
>>2749983>Tho I have no idea what her function is in the slightest I am assured by credible amerikkkan sources that it is of some import.According to beltway insiders she good at head. Even though her head looks like it got pulled from a beehive.
>>2750012>muh zoomersok boomer
anti-campists status? how are they holding up?
>>2750023They are hiding in Israeli bunkers together with their abstractions.
>>2749989Those buildings at Arad are not completely fucked. The structure seems fine, only the bricks got fucked.
Since Israelis are genocidal maniacs, Iran should double tap them like Israel does in Gaza. Feel bad for saying it but after burgers, its them that fully deserve it.
>>2750034
He can just ask it himself live on camera if he wants to have some help!!!
>>2750034
>fuck you NATO! fuck you Europe! MURRIKUH! MIGA!
>wtf why aren't you helping us start WW3
clown politics
why did rightoids forget how to do realpolitik?
>>2750023Didn't we used to have an anticampist general? Whatever happened there?
Nowadays they moved on to the even more nonsensical position of being anti thirdworldists, though even that is losing steam I feel
>>2750041>Whatever happened there?It died quickly because there's nothing for them to discuss amongst themselves except kvetching about campists and their chuddy vibes
>>2749988Abunimah is correct, i was wondering why they seemed to bring on all these retired US diplomats and neocons like Jon Bolton. But i did see Col. Wilkerson get interviewed on al jizzera and get into an argument with some republican spook.
>>2750049trump really is the ultimate accelerationist, every single conservative illness has been taken to the absolute extreme
the military budget during trump's first year in his first term was 646 billion, now he's asking for 1.5 trillion
you could not pay for a better chinese agent
>>2750042>reactionary RussiaUkro war is historically progressive, thoughbeit
>>2750052
she was always the best one
>>2750055Is this supposed to be some kind of dunk? Why are you so insecure about me disliking both of these nations
>>2750041Anti-campism only made sense from the perspective of forcing the Western left to slobber on the dicks of reactionary Russian soldiers rocking Nicky II memorabilia because a minority of the Ukrainians they're killing are fascists. You fuckers poisoned the well for 4 years straight and you should be on your knees thanking the IRGC for showing you what dignity and resistance truly mean. A contemporary Russian would never understand such things, to the chagrin of their ancestors.
>US President Donald Trump has demanded that Gulf states pay “approximately $5 trillion if they want this war to continue, and if they want it to stop, they must pay $2.5 trillion to the United States for what has been accomplished over the past period,”
Make it make sense. What happens if nobody pays?
>>2750038Most of the current EU ruling class is very subservient so all the negative Trump vibes don't really matter. They may protest one day because of optics, then they quietly fall in line the next day.
What actually does matter is that this war is objectively such an obvious failure that even those same subservient EU rulers are too scared of it and are dragging their feet.
The real clown part is begging China to help lmfao.
>>2750061The bomb explodes. Everybody dies.
>>2750061He'll tell Israel to bomb the shit out of them
>>2750058>Is this supposed to be some kind of dunk? It's a simple statement of fact.
>>2750064That would be suicidal.
>>2750066>It's a simple statement of fact.Well your statement has nothing to do with what I said, so do you always just mumble to yourself?
Replace "muh human family" with "le proletariat" to see how our "anti-campists" are just Christians in denial.
>Death and suffering caused by the US-Israeli aggression against Iran are a “scandal to the whole human family,” Pope Leo has said, once again calling for an immediate ceasefire.
>“We cannot remain silent in the face of the suffering of so many people, the defenseless victims of these conflicts,” the pontiff said during his weekly Angelus prayer in St. Peter’s Square.
This war is a good war, and the imperialists are losing.
>>2750061assuming there's any strategic thought to this and it's not just senile ramblings: it's not a real offer, it's setting the tone for an actual negotiation
"give us something and we'll end the war" basically - not literally 2.5 trillion, but some kind of favorable agreement
of course since this is trump and he's almost 80 years old he could literally mean "give us 2.5 trillion" in which case he is basically handing the middle east to iran/russia/china on a silver platter
>>2750050reminder:
capital, and therefore imperialism, are processes which cannot be isolated as actors or embodied in a national or personal entity
understanding either as the product of epstein, united states, israel, or whichever other country/cabal is therefore fallacious
campism is incoherent with a materialist worldview
class rule, and class struggle, are a worldwide phenomenon
"purity" is a vague moral consideration made by red liberals, who project their criteria onto anyone criticizing their ever-failing strategies
the only war socialists take a side in is class war
stalin lost
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>2750068You called Russia reactionary, I called it progressive. I'm on point.
>>2750072>the only war socialists take a side in is class warhas this liberal ever heard of a thing called civil wars
>>2750073My bad I am SORRY. I read Ukro is progressive, not the Ukro War is progressive. I don't have any stakes in that debate.
>>2750072you are simply not a serious person if you think focusing on israel's role in this is "fallacious"
it's so fucking obvious even the average normie is waking up
>>2750076if the average normie is waking up to (((them))), that's all the more reason to oppose this vulgar understanding, which will predictably lead to nothing as scapegoats usually do
>>2750079no the EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE YOU RETARD
YOU ARE HANDING THE ISSUE TO ANTISEMITES IF YOU TRY TO DOWNPLAY ISRAEL
YOU ARE GONNA MAKE NICK FUENTES PRESIDENT
>>2750074"no war but class war" is really a maximally infantile statement.
>>2750080America-brained in the extreme, first.
Second, their religion is really incidental to the reality on the ground. Israel isn't different than the "great powers" of old (i.e traditional colonialists). Their problem is they are like decades to a century late. In this sense, yes, poor little pissrael, they cannot simply do what the bri'ish et al. did.
i hope uyghur fuentes becomes president so people try to assassinate him
>>2750083He doesn’t need to become president for that to happen
>>2750080people getting upset about israel and epstein is a nothingburger comparable to when people were mad about soros except on a much bigger scale. it's a substitution of class antagonisms washed out of their real content on scapegoat actors. nick fuentes and the far-right are doing well precisely due to this phenomenon becoming more widespread as conditions degrade. also idc if he becomes president of the usa, i'm not a burger
>>2750085most normalfags don't even know of him so it would help
jarvis bring up the Stalin and trotsky quotes about the emir of Afghanistan and fascistic Argentina
>>2750086Soros funded anti-communists in Eastern Europe who successfully overthrew the DotP.
al aqsa flood was the spark that initiated world war three. everything retaliation since then has been an escalatory move. israel probably would not have attacked iran without assads syria gone and hezbollah decimated first
Iranian drone flew over my house in Ruckersville, VA. AMA
>>2750089It was far more than Soros, it was Volcker shock, IMF, general Western "regime change" tactics, and ultimately the lack of discipline in the party itself because none of the above was fatal yet. In many cases it was also ex party officials who then became part of national or comprador bourgeoisie because they smelled an opportunity to personally get rich quickly by appropriating or selling off state assets.
COPIUM PREDICTION MOMENT
With Venezuela, Trump realized you can just bomb a country and kidnap its head of state and nothing bad can happen, only good. IF Trump decides to call it quits with Iran, he will have realized you can bomb a country of 90 million people and actually not that much bad happened even though he got egg on his face and who cares about the people that died?
Now with China the plan is clear. The media is souring on the war and telling Trump he miscalculated blah blah blah. But if he pulls out now it's not catastrophic. His admin would take that as a sign that air operations are sufficient to not necessarily destroy their enemies, but degrade them in preparation for successive Israeli-style mowing-the-lawn operations in the years to come after the initial war.
The US has been telling themselves that the fight over Taiwan /will/ happen in 2027. The PLA is probably laughing their asses off at that deeply held belief, but if the US is convinced it has to happen next year, then why not launch another preemptive special military operation? You don't even have to involve naval forces directly, and you can relocate troops to Korean and Japanese and Filipino cities.
The obvious bottleneck is that the US just shot off significant portions of their standoff munition stockpiles so the US would be fighting at a disadvantage since they won't be able to replenish said stockpiles within a year. But they maybe don't need to if they decide that China has to be cut down to size NOW and with what the US already has after the Iran war.
I doubt any of this will happen but I need to write my blog post. Thank you.
>>2750120Thanks for the reminder, I forgot to get my nukes
>>2750120>the west is defeated, Israel will take over China & India and the cycle will repeatDumb moment for several reasons
>>2750034
Help me im winning
>>2750131maybe collars are for proles
>>2750128Between him and Takaichi, I cannot for the life of me determine who is the bigger cuck.
Iranian military outlines potential response if US attacks power plants
Iran has responded to the “terrorist president of the United States” after Trump threatened to attack its power plants if Iran does not open the Strait of Hormuz by Monday.
“We have repeatedly said the Strait of Hormuz is closed only to the enemy and to harmful traffic,” army spokesman Ebrahim Zolfaghari said on state television. “It has not yet been completely closed and is under our intelligent control, and harmless transit – under specific regulations that ensure our security and interests – is allowed.
“However, if the United States carries out its threats against Iran’s power plants, the following punitive actions will be taken immediately:
“The Strait of Hormuz will be completely closed and will not reopen until our damaged power plants are rebuilt.
“All power plants and the energy and information‑technology infrastructure of Israel will be widely targeted.
“All similar companies in the region that have American shareholders will be completely destroyed.
“Power plants in regional countries hosting US bases will be considered legitimate targets.”
>>2750141
he already said Iran is dead and obliterated lol
>>2750131
trial run for human collars
>>2750117fuck him.
>>2750128fuck that gusano.
>>2750141>I call it now. Monday evening he'll release a statement saying he was locked and loaded with his finger on the trigger but after receiving many phone calls from Arab, European and world leaders who told him to not strike Iranian power plants he has decided to hold off on it FOR NOW but that he can change his mind at anytime.no, he will do it. Because Iran is determined, he will end up doing another Vietnam. trump is a toddler-man.
Watch out. early warning alarm in the south of Israel. missile launches detected. hopefully dimona gets hit again.
>>2750156>they aren't the get out of jail free card they've been sold as since 1945There is a nuclear taboo since they were used, why americans never used them either?
I know muh paper tiger meme but there is something very terrifing about them that evidently makes even the most genocidal piece of shit hesitate. Specially because little boy and fatman were weak sauce compared to the shit that was created later.
>>2750140Takaichi of course. Pahlavi would personally gain considerably more from the plunder than Takaichi does from her small provisions.
>>2750160>missile launches detectewave 80? damn I lost count.
>>2750156>if israel has nukes, why hasn't israel used them yetBecause Israel would lose all international support and would become a pariah state.
>>2750166Grok, make his face smaller and redder and his skull larger.
>>2750141
i know its libcoded but the way he communicates is genuinely just like 1984
>>2750167>russian gusanosWhat do you mean, she looks totally native to the 40c middle eastern deserts
Next you'll be claiming the ancient Egyptians and Chinese weren't blonde and blue eyed either
The war on Iran can go on since there’s “plenty of money to fund [it],” US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has claimed. However, Washington needs more money to continue bombing, he added.
The Pentagon has requested $200 billion in additional funding for the Iran war, the Associated Press said earlier, citing sources. However, it faces stiff opposition in Congress, with Democrats and even some Republicans questioning the need after large defense appropriations last year.
Bessent defended the request without confirming the amount. He also dismissed a question about possible tax increases as “ridiculous” and said that was “not at all” under consideration.
Early indications suggest that the war will be the most expensive for the US since the long conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
>>2750173Calling it
>The AI boom was JUST about to happen but then evil Iran and dumb Trump fucked it up ;-((( Racialist analysists BTFO again. The Kaiser predicted a holy war of Europe VS China in the 20th century. He got imperialist war to secure markets and influence. And now the racialists say this will lead to Muslims VS Jews when in reality the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are gonna smash Iran to pieces.
>>2750179they have an answer for this
jews >>2750169The only difference between Trump's and other US imperialists' rhetoric is that others try to mask their genocidal bullshit in all sorts of technocratic and "progressive" jargon, which is in principal even more 1984.
>>2750184
Redistributing money and power solidifies it
>>2750156Nukes don't stop the enemy from fighting. It's a well-established fact Japan kept going and only surrendered after the Soviet Union entered the war and crushed the Manchurian army group. Especially in Iran's case, they have military production under mountains. You still need to put boots on the ground. That's why the Soviet Union built the army with post-nuclear war conditions in mind.
>>2750184
Dont care, fuck off to /USAPOL/
>>2750166He did that thing with exporting soybeans to China after taking American money. That disqualifies him from the high leagues. Neither is he putting his country at risk of complete destruction like Japan or the Philippines.
Bessent is by now very well known for his mastery of paradoxes.
As Viktor Orbán said, he is intellectually troubled by monitoring the situation and identifying possible scenarios. He is primarily interested in the consequences of everything for Hungary.
“But for this I would have to understand what victory means. Because the Americans are constantly announcing that they have won. And in a military sense, they have obviously gained a superiority that can be considered a victory. And? But what is happening? Meanwhile, the Iranians have the ability to operate as a state, it is true that they are a fragmented state, so they have a mosaic-controlled system, but they operate as a state, they are capable of using armed force, the extent of which cannot be compared to the American-Israeli capability, but it is capable of causing damage. Now they are also firing at energy facilities, the Iranians are also firing at them.
The damage caused to Qatar is not only that the world's largest LNG production facility was damaged, but if I understood correctly what I just learned in Brussels, it will take 4 and a half years to restore it. So a capacity was not temporarily removed from the world's natural gas supply, but it was removed for 4 and a half years,” Orbán said.
Then he continued to assess the situation following the attack launched by his two friends, Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu:
“So the outlook is bleak because the destruction that is happening there, even though the war is over or the Americans win, those capacities have been lost, they are missing from the global economy.
So we should understand that even if there is a military victory from the American-Israeli side, what does that mean in reality, and I am afraid it does not mean anything good. Because even if there is a military victory, the Iranian ability to cut off one of the world’s oil and gas reserves from the rest of the world remains.”
https://444.hu/2026/03/22/orban-nagyon-borusan-latja-a-ket-baratja-altal-iran-ellen-inditott-haboru-kovetkezmenyeit>>2750189>Nukes don't stop the enemy from fighting. It's a well-established fact Japan kept going and only surrendered after the Soviet Union entered the war and crushed the Manchurian army group. sample size: 1, there's a reason burgers don't haven't fucked with DPRK directly since they got nukes, and can only do so indirectly now
> in Iran's case, they have military production under mountains. You still need to put boots on the ground. and then they got taken over by revisionists and bent over for porky
>>2750198>and then they got taken over by revisionists and bent over for porkythis was meant for the part about the USSR, I quoted the wrong text
>>2750184
kys. that's all
>>2750190Every thread is /USAPOL/ now. Don’t like it? Blame Chagos for that.
>>2750202
I remember listening to one of these generals (before the war)say that they had people on the ground, and once the attack started, they would go out to overthrow the government
>>2750118Pretty stupid plan if that’s the idea. The U.S has completely obliterated their vassals economies and trust. Especially in South Asia and Japan. They’ll have to coup their governments, occupy them to start another unpopular war that’ll further destabilize the world and cause domestic unrest. The U.S can be economical isolated and militarily exhausted/deterred. What the bloodthirsty zealots, far right, know-nothing, Zionist, lumpen-bourgeoisie think they’re playing Hoi4 and that capturing resources magically creates the infrastructure to utilize it instantly. Despite the fact they destroyed that infrastructure in the process of capturing. They Americas soft power was causing its decline when it was cushioning the inevitable collapse, they dismantled the very institutions and relationships that created the infinite money spigot. While at the same time rapidly burning through the resources on stupid imperialist projects that undermine its own long term goals. While the regime takes 40% off the top for pure corruption.
>>2750207>The U.S has completely obliterated their vassals economies and trust. Especially in South Asia and Japan.You say this as Japan and SK have far right pro-US lunatics and as Germany and France are about to elect theirs.
>>2750117What a smug faggot
>>2750211idk about france but i've heard AfD has taken a sharp anti-american turn lately
>>2750201>>2750201>Blame the anti-American instead of our 70% burger userbaseAs OldBO (pbuh) said: you can see the drop in autism score, critical thinking skills, and reading comprehension in burger posts.
>>2750121They sell them at walmart
>>2750202
I'm actually kinda surprised by how the US and Israel care much more about myopic narcissistic optics than effective propaganda let alone objective reality on the ground. There are events they could spin in their favor, painting Iran as posing a threat. But instead they just keep implicitly painting Iran as this completely impotent pushover country that couldn't possibly pose danger to anyone, which is why every other day Trump has finally won the war and Iran is finally 110% obliterated.
>>2750217>70% burger userbaseis there a way to fix this issue?
The Board of Peace is already West Germany. Israel is just going to be sold off to a bunch of other interests, possibly including Iran. Palestine will remain a colony.
Earthquake Faction had their telegram removed.
One thousand people homeless as Israel counts the cost of its war
Israelis are tired and frustrated at this point. We saw a video earlier today of the minister of national security, the controversial Itamar Ben-Gvir, visiting one of those sites that’s been hit and being basically kicked out by a screaming resident who said all of this destruction is his doing.
In Dimona and Arad, you have more than 1,000 people who now need to be housed by the government because so many buildings were destroyed and are not usable at this point. You have more than 10,000 claims for compensation.
The sirens keep going off, which means that if you’re lucky enough as an Israeli to have a public shelter or a safe room nearby, you must basically live your life around it, if not inside it.
And if you are a Palestinian citizen of Israel, you hear the sirens, but it’s a more cruel reality because, for the most part, you do not have those protections.
So it is taking its toll. But for now, at least, support continues for the troops – confidence in Prime Minister Netanyahu, not so much.
>>2750165Any country's political class that still supports Israel at this point is not going to drop their support because Israel used nukes. What it would do is make the west even more of a illegitimate and hypocritical actor on the world stage.
>>2750227>Earthquake Faction had their telegram removed. further proof that what MLibs here call "adventurism" is actually existing anti-imperialism
leftypol won't truly heal until "adventurism" is word filtered to "I <3 Israel"
>>2750227>support continues for the troops – confidence in Prime Minister Netanyahu, not so muchAh yes, Bibi is doing the war wrong. Wonder if you can get elected now by promising to use nukes.
what's the latest?
>>2750234Silence, booklet.
>>275024093% of Pissraelis are for being at war with Iran. I think this is just vibes based speculation that "BIBI IS FINISHED THIS TIME FRFR". They love this genocidal shithead
>>2750099You saved this pic?
>>2750246
What are you talking about
>>2750249
Where did you read that it fell apart and why are you dogwhistling about them being jewish?
>>2750249
What are you saying?
organization >>> propaganda of the deed btw
>>2750249>>2750248>>2750246>leftypol said [shit nobody said]<what?>ha! ALL OF YOU SAID [shit nobody said] but me, I said [no post number provided for evidence] AND I WAS RIGHTi hate this genre of smug schizophrenia
>>2750254>>2750250>>2750249I’ve never heard of this group until now, but if they were targeting factories then credit where it’s due I suppose. Probably would’ve been smarter to actually succeed first and then brag on telegram after though.
>>2750246
>if the porkies censor your telegram account they've won
complete retard
>>2750254Rule 14 b) makes this behaviour a reportable offense.
>>2750242>booklet.Is this how you will start calling anti-zionists now to cope, MLib? If islamists and anarkiddies are brvtally mogging your social-democratic ass your books are worthless.
>>2750260You could have 4 pages of Lenin (half, if American) in the time it took you to shitpost instead.
Sad!
>>2750265???????? Didn't all countries say they didn't want to? Didn't Trump complain no one was helping? Why is Rutte so confident?
>>2750267
>Let's ban the account we use to "honeypot" people because we're evil joooos
Were you parents siblings
>>2750275all of these cucks eventually acquiesce to trump
>>2750269>You could have 4 pages of Leninthere are already enough LARP groups that have been doing that for decades with nothing to show for it, not sure why you want me to join your performance
>>2750273Weird how after bullying allies away they are able to bully them into compliance. Vassals or allies? it's hard to tell the difference these days.
>2750282
the booklet will come up with any kind of excuse for not reading
the booklet will resist the book and think himself the radicalest
>>2750287the booktivist will prefer to look at a book rather than out the window
>>2750290American, right?
>>2750236and they wouldnt be wrong either
50 posts until thread full
I really hope Professor Sinbad is already preparing the ingredients for cooking the spiciest OP.
>>2750072>capital, and therefore imperialism, are processes which cannot be isolated as actors or embodied in a national or personal entityThe USrael NATO empire, which is an international capitalist hegemon, consists of at least 50 countries with USrael merely being its head. It is not an isolation into a single actor or "embodiment" of any national or personal entity. It is simply the highest political formation of monopoly capital in the current era
>understanding either as the product of epstein, united states, israel, or whichever other country/cabal is therefore fallaciousIt is the other way around. You have nothing but a false understanding of other people's argument, presumably born from a projection of your own idealism. You are retarded
>campism is incoherent with a materialist worldviewIt is not
>class rule, and class struggle, are a worldwide phenomenonIt is for this exact reason that the Epstein Empire is also a global phenomenon
>"purity" is a vague moral consideration made by red liberals, who project their criteria onto anyone criticizing their ever-failing strategiesIt is you who is projecting
>the only war socialists take a side in is class warLibcuck sloganeering
>stalin lostStalin undeniably won
>Thank you for your attention to this matter!You are not welcome Epsteinite
>>2750297it's not like the U.K is going to have another war with France is it?
>>2750287>think himself the radicalestits do nothing MLibs that do this btw
also reading is worthless if you just mechanically repeat shit like "adventurism" outside of the context where it was writen and fail to see how it changes according to different conditions
MLibs turn Lenin's texts as an excuse for being the complete opposite of Lenin
they should never be allowed to read Lenin again, they are not worthy
>>2750285you have to start somewhere, but what you want is revolutionary conditions to be given to you on a silver plate by the orange man
Thread is getting derailed. Any news coming out of Iran? Rn, I am listening to "Christian" ziocucks and they believe Iran is regretting it. Lmao. I wonder if they know shitraelis are regretting it
>>2750306he kindof looks as if patrick swayze did planet of the apes
Also forgot to say hi to SinBad. Hi SinBad!
>>2750308>Any news coming out of Iran?none
fizzlegang eating good
I predict israel is going to keep escalating the situation until they launh a nuclear strike on Iran
Without a working class movement, you cannot have a fusion of the movement with socialism and
>The fusion of socialism with the working-class movement (this sole guarantee of a strong and truly revolutionary movement) is no easy matter, and it is not surprising that it is attended by vacillation of every kind.
Socialism without a working class movement
>Lacking a social basis and any links with a definite social class, it is endeavouring to cover up its inner impotence by the sweep of its emotion, the “breadth” of its programme, i.e. (read), by an unprincipled combination of the most diverse and opposing programmes which are equally applicable, precisely because of this quality of theirs, to the intelligentsia, to the proletariat, and to the peasantry.
And considering that
>The stormy period we are experiencing, with the struggle flaring up now here, now there, makes it possible, under cover of this struggle, to evade all and sundry questions of principle, limiting oneself to sympathetic support of all its manifestations and to the invention of “individual resistance” during a comparative lull.
Therefore
>the result is a trend which is very revolutionary in words, but not in the least revolutionary as far as its real views and contacts with the revolutionary class are concerned, revolutionary in its sharp attacks on the government and at the same time entirely incapable of correctly appraising the general tactics of this government and of giving a correct answer to such tactics. And truly, it is not difficult to see that, notwithstanding all the jumps and waverings, not withstanding all the confusion of the government in particular instances, its tactics as a whole betray clearly its two principal lines of self-defence.
>>2750313I’d love to see Israel obliterated and Iran become the new home of the Jews since they apparently have a strong population there and monuments. Would make zios seethe
>>2750308>coming out of IranIt's only an hour until midnight there.
>>2750313It seems likely given their mania but it will mean the end of their colony if they do.
>>2750316Will it tho?
Seems like zio will keep supporting it
Israeli forces fire white phosphorus shells in southern Lebanon
Lebanon’s National News Agency reports Israeli forces are shelling the southern town of Naqoura with artillery and phosphorus-filled rounds.
Ground fighting broke out in the area with clashes reported between Israeli troops and Hezbollah fighters inside the town, it said.
Iran’s new leadership taking ‘confrontational’ tone over Trump’s threats
We’ve heard from several Iranian officials – military spokesperson Mohamed Ghalibaf, Vice President Mohammad Reza Aref, and Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi.
All these men are concentrating on one issue: confrontation and retaliation and if there’s any power plants hit in Iran the whole region will pay the price.
The Strait of Hormuz will be closed until the power plants in Iran are fixed, they said.
It’s clear now the new leadership in Iran – the mentality that is ruling the war management here – is confrontational to the extent that it wants to escalate whenever it’s attacked.
Iran’s parliament speaker threatens to target those who purchase US Treasury bonds
Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf has warned that “financial entities that finance the US military budget are legitimate targets”.
“US treasury bonds are soaked in Iranians’ blood. Purchase them, and you purchase a strike on your HQ and assets,” Ghalibaf wrote on X.
“We monitor your portfolios,” the speaker added. “This is your final notice.”
As we’ve been reporting, Ghalibaf earlier threatened that Iran would strike infrastructure and energy facilities across the region after Trump said the US would attack Iranian power plants if Tehran doesn’t fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
Israeli forces target Qasmiyeh Bridge in southern Lebanon for second time
Our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic are reporting renewed strikes on Lebanon’s Qasmiyeh Bridge.
According to our correspondent on the ground, Israel targeted the bridge for the second time.
Meanwhile to the east, the army carried out an air attack on the town of Majdal Selem.
We’ll bring you more information as we have it.
Iran ‘cannot back down’ to Trump’s Strait of Hormuz ultimatum
Ross Harrison, senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, says Trump’s ultimatum to Iran over the Strait of Hormuz risks seriously escalating the war.
While Trump could “pivot” and move away from the ultimatum, he could also be using it to “prepare the stage for some kind of Marine landing” near the Strait of Hormuz or Iran’s Kharg Island, Harrison told Al Jazeera.
For Iran, the ultimatum creates an “an impossible position because they … believe they cannot back down”, added Harrison.
Instead, Iran now appears determined to “widen the conflict” even if it is risky, he said.
“The question is do they [Iran] have other tricks up their sleeve? We don’t know what Trump has, but we do know that the Iranians have been masters at adaptation.”
>>2750302
>The 100 million plus members of the CPC are doing nothing?
Are they the ones crying about "muh adventurism" here? If not then they are not relevant to the discussion.
>>2750319Their support is relative to their own suffering. Only a few affluent zips can survive the coming economic collapse so the rest of their support will fizzle. Then there will be the calls for prosecuting war criminals.
>>2750326>zips*zios
Damnit autocorrect
>>2750330God I wish. I wanna see Nato nations cuck out to baby face Vance
>>2750326Aren’t there a ton of Israelis fleeing the country right now?
>>2750314>Without a working class movementThe entire problem is that this simply doesn't grow on the current conditions as it did where and when Lenin was alive, you have been stuck for decades trying to make this part come back but it doesn't happen and you refuse to acknowledge it, by the time you build it back (IF you manage to do it) the war will be already over. My position is simple, if you don't want to do anti-imperialist sabotage because it would be le adventurism thats fine, just don't cry about it when other do.
>>2750332Yes, and the government is trying to keep them trapped by limiting the exodus. Zios don't care about Jewish lives, either. That's another reason why they'll fall.
>>2750333>he thinks history ended in the 90sfrancis is that you?
>>2750332I think that fizzled because they realized they would loose their country if more left
>>2750337it's probably temporarily paused rn because they're being bombarded all day every day. kinda risky to take a flight out
>>2750339Yeah… if the plebs…
Anon I…
>>2750338Yeah. I watched Ready or Not on 1movies and I know it’s comedy and fiction but I can’t help but the ink people of power worship satan and do horrible things without repercussion. At least it’s zios and not me
>>2750333No one is crying, we are just noticing that
>the Socialist-Revolutionaries are talking themselves blue in the face in asseverating that they recognise terrorism only in conjunction with work among the masses, and that therefore the arguments used by the Russian Social-Democrats to refute the efficacy of this method of struggle (and which have indeed been refuted for a long time to come) do not apply to them. And that
>In their naïveté, the Socialist-Revolutionaries do not realise that their predilection for terrorism is causally most intimately linked with the fact that, from the very outset, they have always kept, and still keep, aloof from the working-class movement, without even attempting to become a party of the revolutionary class which is waging its class struggle. Thus
>The Social-Democrats will always warn against adventurism and ruthlessly expose illusions which inevitably end in complete disappointment. We must bear in mind that a revolutionary party is worthy of its name only when it quides [sic.] in deed the movement of a revolutionary class. We must bear in mind that any popular movement assumes an infinite variety of forms, is constantly developing new forms and discarding the old, and effecting modifications or new combinations of old and new forms. It is our duty to participate actively in this process of working out means and methods of struggle [of this movement].And
>Without in the least denying violence and terrorism in principle, we demanded work for the preparation of such forms of violence as were calculated to bring about the direct participation of the masses and which guaranteed that participation. This is because as bolsheviks,
>we stand for future and not only past forms of the movement. We give preference to long and arduous work on what promises a future rather than to an “easy” repetition of what has been condemned by the past. We shall always expose people who in word war against hackneyed dogmas and in practice hold exclusively to such moth-eaten and harmful commonplaces as the theory of the transference of strength, the difference between big work and petty work and, of course, the theory of single combat. To add
>Anyone who really carries on his revolutionary work in conjunction with the class struggle of the proletariat very well knows, sees and feels what vast numbers of immediate and direct demands of the proletariat (and of the sections of the people capable of supporting the latter) remain unsatisfied. He knows that in very many places, throughout vast areas, the working people are literally straining to go into action, and that their ardour runs to waste because of the scarcity of literature and leadership, the lack of forces and means in the revolutionary organisations. And we find ourselves—we see that we find our selves—in the same old vicious circle that has so long hemmed in the Russian revolution like an omen of evil. On the one hand, the revolutionary ardour of the insufficiently enlightened and unorganised crowd runs to waste. On the other hand, shots fired by the “elusive individuals” who are losing faith in the possibility of marching in formation and working hand in hand with the masses also end in smoke. >>2750341Did US ever get so humiliated publicly?
>Inb4 VietnamThat went badly because body bags
>>2750316I also predict that Trump is going to be their fall-guy because he is very easy to hate
>>2750345operation Eagle Claw was quite the lol-fest
>>2750344Dont care, go make a thread about it.
>>2750345Not like this. The internet really changed a lot and now you know they will destroy it, either by botting, making it expensive or just firewalling it to protect against chyna. They killed TikTok, they will kill the whole web. Or put you between the net and an AI that will filter everything you see and deanon you and bad things you get the point.
>>2750343Watch vidrel. It's long but juicy.
Trump has consistently ‘miscalculated’ Iran’s moves
Ross Harrison, senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, says President Trump has “consistently been surprised’ by Iran’s reactions both before and during the war.
“At the negotiating table, Trump was surprised [the Iranians] didn’t capitulate and when [the US and Israel] decapitated the regime in terms of killing the late Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, he was surprised the regime didn’t fall,” Harrison told Al Jazeera.
Trump’s miscalculations could pose even greater danger “as we move up the escalation latter and the Iranians play 4-D chess”, he added.
“If we’re talking about escalation dominance, what does escalation mean? Initially it was striking Israel or striking US bases. Now it has nothing to do with that,” Harrison continued. “The Iranians have set the terms and the inflection point for them … where the leverage is … the Strait of Hormuz.”
Iran says ‘disruption’ in Strait of Hormuz is US and Israel’s fault
Iran’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has insisted that the Strait of Hormuz is not blocked, placing the blame for the “escalating danger” in the waterway squarely on the US and Israel.
Iran has “adopted a set of measures to ensure that the aggressors and their supporters cannot misuse the Strait of Hormuz to advance their aggressive objectives against Iran”, the ministry said in a statement, emphasising that the Strait “is not closed, and maritime traffic … has not been halted”.
“The responsibility for any disruption, insecurity, and escalating danger in this waterway and its surrounding region lies directly with the US regime and the Zionist regime”, the statement continued.
The “full restoration of security” in the Strait “requires an end to the military aggression, the cessation of threats, the halt of destabilising actions … and full respect for Iran’s legitimate interests”, the ministry concluded.
Strikes target Iraqi forces south of Baghdad, no casualties reported
Three air strikes hit positions south of Baghdad late targeting fighters from Iraq’s Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF).
A state-sanctioned armed group that includes Iran-aligned groups, PMF is formally part of Iraq’s armed forces.
A local emergency crisis cell said: “Units of the PMF were targeted by drone strikes and airstrikes, with three strikes in different locations,” adding that the sites were empty at the time and no casualties were reported.
It’s unclear who carried out the strikes.
Did Israel miscalculate Iranian military capabilities?
Iranian missiles have struck the towns of Arad and Dimona near an Israeli nuclear research centre in what Iran says was a response to an Israeli attack on its Natanz nuclear facility in Isfahan province.
At least 180 people were wounded in Saturday’s attack, and hundreds of people have been evacuated from the strategic towns as the Israeli-US war on Iran is seemingly entering a new, more lethal phase of fighting.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his country had a “very difficult evening in the battle for our future”. There have been at least 4,564 people wounded in Israel, according to the Health Ministry since the start of the war on February 28.
Analysts said while Israel has regularly waged military campaigns on Gaza, the occupied West Bank, Lebanon and elsewhere, it is rare for the Israeli public to feel the effects of war like it has over the past three weeks.
Hezbollah claims rocket, missile attacks on Israeli military sites
Hezbollah says it launched a series of rocket, missile, and drone attacks on northern Israel, including several targeting Israeli military facilities.
In statements on Telegram, the Lebanese group said it fired a missile salvo at an Israeli airbase in northern Israel’s Meron and a squadron of “attack drones” at another army installation near Ramot Naftali, also in the north.
In addition, Hezbollah said it fired rocket salvos at the northern Israeli communities of Manara and Zar’it.
Israeli soldiers operating across the border in Lebanon, including in the areas of Khiam, Maroun al-Ras and Aitaroun – attacked, it said.
There were no immediate reports of casualties in Israeli media.
>>2750338Milcom (molech), Chemosh, Astarte… The same deities israel has always worshipped.
IM BAKING
>>2750362JDPON Don bringing upon unlimited genocide on these treatlerites
>>2750317I've been to that gas station before lol
>>2750317How does this dumbfuck think paying more for a war for oil which means the death of the petrodollar is putting screws into Putin or being patriotic?
>>2750317It's pretty telling that your only opposition to Imperialist war is that it will increase the price of your precious treats. Imagine, Warhammer prices going up! You might have to go without an extra toy!
To put it into terms you can understand, you have the ideology of a Warhammer Ogre. You only know hunger, you are nothing but a giant walking maw that must be fed with as many treats as possible or you fly into an uncontrollable rage.
>>2750390Point being made: You are seeing a fizzle, because reality is much worse.
>>2750380Think it was along the lines of us giving Ukraine bombs and military advisors even at the cost of Putin putting the squeeze on oil.
Its an old meme from the Ukraine war when libs dismissed concerns about the cost of living with "Well that's just the price for freedom."
>>2750255Really burning down a building is not that easy, shit has systems in place for holding down a fire, putting out the video actually turns it into propaganda, so even if it wasn't very succesful, it will still work well into fanning flames and instilling fear into the capitalist class.
I don't know how either of those work(ed) out, but i think it's a pretty obvious logic. Especially if they're anarchists
>>2750285yeah dude there have been zero revolutionary conditions like the many crises and mass worker movements that have happened repeatedly since, i dunno, FDR at least, and every single one of them have been pathetic failures of leninists to lead the masses to any kind of victory.
>vietnam anti-war movement>ronald reagan's crackdowns>oil shock>dot com bubble burst>9/11>iraq anti-war movement>2008 motherfucking OWS >2016 elections>2020 lockdowns>2026 iran warAmerican "leninists" have been "organizing" (read: masturbating) for literally longer than Lenin's actual entire life and have
NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO SHOW FOR IT >>2750304The guy down the street might buy a gun
And it isnt my problem because i leave people alone and dont break into peoples houses and kill members of their family
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