Wanna know what folks on here thinks of andrea dworkin and general sentiment around her work alongside others in her vein. Was she a genius or just stupid?
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>>2763872Love the comments
>You need to read more books on the necessity of our movement which constantly contradicts itself, doesn't really believe in anything beyond vague "man bad, woman good" vibes, has a history of working with conservatives and the CIA and whose biggest accomplishment after the 70s was making the media worse and more annoying.Its incredibly amusing seeing all these radlibs acting like some Literally Who academic and their dead duck idpol that has only ever succeeded in annoying people is more radical than Che Guevara.
>>2764050Also written by people who’ve spent their entire lives in academia, with virtually no experience outside of it and filled with people who’ve never worked a regular job or really interacted with a normal people. I hate to sound like a Redditor, but BoJack Horseman had a similar kind of sentiment about celebrities, they aren't “real people,” because they’re constantly stuck in an environment that’s almost artificially constructed, like a complete fantasy world.
>>2763870Sure but what enabled it? It was the collective trauma of WW1 veterans who were politically homeless that shitler and pasta man pooled the black boots from.
>>2764265its the same shit with radfems and unresolved sexual trauma fash come along and weaponize the hate against idpol targets which drives it into vectors that ignore class and ultimately create cycles of violence that can only be resolved through class
>>2761962i have no thoughts on her because i'm not a liberal
ITT: We discuss something we have not read about at all
>>2763605Lol okay radfem retard
>>2764295You just described 95% of /leftypol/.
>>2764295good thing I didn't mention her writings at any point,and just her political actions
>>2764318People here need to apply this to Lenin, Stalin, Marx, and Mao instead of quotemining
>>2764318She's an intellectual not a politician
>>2763151multiple people use flags anon
>>2764265The Ideology of the street gangster socialist
>>2763881woke neo-victorian sexual morality
>>2764422
Im not a feminist, thus I am not mad about rape
>>2764453So you getting raped is fine? You wouldn’t resist?
>>2764465Ate you stupid, anon?
>>2764467Don’t make me come over there and fuck your ass
>>2764469I would gladly meet with you to send you to the hospital. Let's meet in Taxqueña subway station Mexico City
You won't
>>2764474I’ll be slumped over in a mezcal bar in the north
>>2764287Yes, feminist critical theory of the media shit that that had mostly circulated in feminist groups started being used in the media (or at least creatives started acting like it was) and the result was media that was worse and more annoying.
>>2764384Victorian sexual morality was not a force that was hostile to men and, in fact, often complimentary to their desires. The strain of supposed puritanism that may inhabit certain feminists is a different force, one that may intersect and be appropriated by conservative ideology but is still separate in origin.
>>2764694Its literally just lesbianism; a spiritual hatred for the penis.
>>2764697so you agree its not victorian in any sense of the word but something diffrent?
>>2764706Yes; second-wave feminism is French in origin, not British.
>>2764726I read some essays on sex education in France in the 1900s~
The proles would get taken into a field and shown animals having sex and would be encouraged to get married as soon as possible.
The children of the upper class would be given birth control, educated properly and encouraged to have as many partners as possible.
>>2764730Today, the working classes are both fertile and promiscuous
>>2764726marvel quip ass response
>>2764750As for the french upper class and being poly thats pretty well understood without needing to dig up sources
>>2764755Yeah it speaks to why its important to be able to actually read under capitalism, you become an untouchable otherwise.
>>2764753 ive always wonder why the french seems to have such a higher libido then other euros lol perhaps its due to them having been the center of one of the first major anti clerical revolutions?
>>2764760They dont have a greater libido, they are just more shameless
>>2764780i was being a bit tongue and cheek with my wording but yeah true
>>2764760It's a stereotype, in France we see the Italians that way.
>>2764793well in that case the italians but be then truly horrid
>>2764801Don’t google Bunga Bunga
>>2761954She was right about a lot of things but her general reactionary disdain for men convinced me that Feminism is not inherently compatible with Leftism and we need to be very careful allying with Men of Wo. Most self-identified radfems are just left-wing out of self-interest and not any kind of idealistic belief in improving the world or helping their fellow man, just themselves and their own kind. Cut a radfem and a tribalist class traitor bleeds. They're also often responsible for extremely reactionary policy under the guise of "protecting women" like banning porn or requiring age verification online or mass surveillance.
Maybe I'm just a chud though.
>>2765361They're obviously driven by some sort of grievance with men, and use leftist logic to further their aims, by framing women as inherently the oppressed class. It's all bullshit.
>>2764793Les ritals sont en chaleur c'est scientifiquement prouvé
>>2765361why is banning porn "extremely reactionary"?
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