Wanna know what folks on here thinks of andrea dworkin and general sentiment around her work alongside others in her vein. Was she a genius or just stupid?
She was really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really fat as hell lol
Didn't she try to kill Andy Warhol? That's enough to be based for me
Abuse victim that made her trauma into a legal battle and moral crusade, not surprising nothing got out of it.
>>2761999 no that was a diffrent radfem named Valerie Solanas you might have heard of her from her manifesto "SCUM Manifesto"
>>2761999No that was Valerie Solanas, who wrote the scum manifesto. Very based individual
>>2761954she was a lib and didn't go far enough. I resent her for backtracking on the "all heterosexual sex is rape" type statements. she accurately described what the average chud thinks nowadays but then would say something like "but, of course, most men don't consciously think like this" and I think that in 2026 we can say that most men do think like that. matter of fact, if she and her fellow travelers had an impact, it was the reinvention of sex as a consensual activity. the right-wing discourse regarding sex right now is that it is gay and men should go back to raping
>>2762001 a bit reductive don't you think? She certainty has a lot of infulunce if not causing any legal changes plus she alongside her ascociate Catharine A. MacKinnon advocated for what would eventually become the nordic model approach to prostitution that is currentally in effect in sweden (where i live lol)
zionism for women
>>2762013 yeah it seems like she had some really yikes sentiments about israel and zionism even held it up as an model for women to follow lol which is not that suprising unfortunately since she is jewish although she seemengly did later on especialy after being disalousined with it after her visit there in 1988 condemm much of the macho militarism and ethno-nationalism and as well as persucution of palestinian not that disuade any rightful condemnation for her liberal zionism or any potential introspection on the possible zionist infulunce on her general belifs
>>2762019the one i was referencing was from 2000, she is undeniably a zionist in both the literal, and the relative sense
>>2762061 didn't deny that "not that disuade any rightful condemnation for her liberal zionism" thats what i said
>>2761954Top tier bbw milf
Did she say all heterosexual sex is rape or that all penetrative sex was rape? The latter makes more sense, and rightly calls out gay men because male homosexuality is misogyny taken to it’s logical conclusion
>>2762193It’s true and you know it
>>2762164>>2762197We already have gay misandrist. Can we gay misogynist now?
>>2762198They’re the ones calling their assholes boy pussies, they’re so misogynist that they insist they can take on the roles of women better than women themselves, dehumanized women to such a point they’re not just less than human, but not even worthy of sexualization
>>2762197this proves that radical feminism is simply just woke victorian sexuality, it attacks every expression of sexuality, and states anything but a pure celibacy is rape, that the most pure form of love is between 2 women
>>2762218Sex is objectively evil and disgusting no matter how you’re having it, it’s how disease spreads and why rape happens
>>2762203No woman can take on the role of this man
>>2762018 >>2762226They call him the plunger, not because he's Italian, but because he suctions the life out of any urethra
>>27619543 women: a bourgeois girlboss, a dworkinite radfem, and a communist guerilla, are discussing how often moids should change diapers
>moids should change 100% of diapers, to make up for centuries of patriarchysays the bourgeois girlboss
>moids should change 0% of diapers, because they are all rapists, and not to be trusted around childrensays the dworkinite radfem
>men should change 50% of diapers, to hold up their half of the sky, says the communist guerillathe dworkinite and the capitalist, disgusted, would have shot her for being a centrist, but neither of them were armed, nor knew how to use a gun
>>2762229You know he was married four times and had kids right?
>>2762233it's a forced meme on here. there are two competing schizos, one of whom insists mao zedong said to nut in prostitutes, the other one who insists mao was revcel nofap and achieved nirvana
>>2762240She was a rape victim and assumed her experience was universal
>>2762243I am a male rape victim too (was circumcised and then I was strip naked by my cousins and kicked out to the streets) and I still enjoy intercourse
anti-sex feminists that were raped are just retarded
>>2762218 victorian sexuality wasn't "anti sex" just mearley have it controlled (in favor of the patriarch and bourgsie reality)
>>2762230 was the diaper part really necessary?
>>2762258>I am a male rape victim too (was circumcisedLOL get the fuck out of here
>>2762258your stupidity is penetrating my brain and making me lose faith in humanity, i guess i am a male rape victim too now
>>2762258>>2762293>>2762296can we all not call other rape victims retarded or dogpile on someone for feeling violated even if we don't technically agree with their definition of rape? thanks
>>2762292rewrite the joke to make sense without it.
>>2762301 well you got me there
>>2761954Her heart was in the right place but I personally think she was fundementally wrong, but I am also a sex extremist in the other direction so 🤷♀️
>>2762293>>2762296mad feminists detected
>>2762300sorry but it's retarded to believe misandry and anti-sex being is a correct political stance
>>2762292yes, it's central to the joke. Consider:
>it's something that used to be considered a "woman's job">men were not expected to do it, but if they tried to do it, it was considered suspicious behavior on their part>nowadays men do it more often (and do more domestic work in general) due to feminist progress>a dworkinite would say never trust men with doing it, because they're all rapists>a girlboss capitalist would say men should do it all the time, and should just become the domestic servants women used to be>only a communist woman would say men should hold up their half of the skymake sense? no? idk what to tell ya.
>>2762306A.B. once said - if your foreskin is cut off by russian saboteurciety and your penis and/or is sucked by the abrahamic cultist rabbi you are to ask your closest comrade to share their foreskin with you in an act that would later be called "docking".
>>2762258I was circumcised, non-consensually, at a much older age than most (five), and I would not call it rape. Though I wish it didn't happen. That other thing that happened to you is very much sexual assault however, and actually very similar to something that happened to me at summer camp once. I would also say I was sexually assaulted in a gym bleachers once in middle school, at the age of 12, when a random person I didn't know decided to publicly humiliate me by humping the back of my head, for no discernible reason. He seemed to have some kind of personality disorder, because I saw him randomly bully other people without provocation also
>>2762306 i mean isn't it understandeble why someone who would go through with something so horrofying and terrible would perhaps be more susceptible to those ideas no?
>>2762293>I am a male rape victim too (was circumcisedWould you say that FGM victims are out of line to describe it as rape? For the sake of argument let's assume it's the form that's anatomically equivalent to male circumcision (removal of the clitoral hood, in a sterile medical context).
>>2762320they would not, because misandry is allowed when discussing feminism
>>2762315/pol/-tier logic
>>2762322not really since there isn't a black equivalent against white people like what patriarchy is to women lol
>>2762320IMO it's not rape, it's just mutilation.
>>2762330 again? dwag
>>2762324>/pol/-tier logic is just black vs whiteremove yourself from the genepool
>>2762349>remove yourself from the genepoolrich of you to complain about pol logic
>>2762545<Tell us about Valerie Solanas, who you were close to and wrote a defense of following her murder attempt on Andy Warhol in 1968. There was a deafening silence in the underground press around her ideas and actions following the shooting. This seems a little odd given the fact that by this point the New Left had begun to increasingly glorify political violence.>Ben: Valerie used to stay with me quite a bit as she was fairly homeless and always on the move. There was a lot of parody and irony in her writing, but she was also, and I don't mean this in a bad sense, a fairly crazy person. She saw a need to raise a lot of issues around what happens to women and the SCUM Manifesto was the best way she could express herself. I always loved people who were loose cannons, who didn't fit the mould.>Sometime later when Black Mask had wrapped up and The Family had started we were involved in the occupation of Columbia University [1968]. Valerie came up there and found me and asked "What would happen if I shot somebody?" I said "It depends on two things - who you shoot and whether they die or not." A week later she shot Andy Warhol.>After she shot him I wrote a pamphlet supporting her. I may have been the only person who did that publicly. I went up to MOMA and handed it out there. Everybody I met was very negative about it, but, hey, I disliked Andy Warhol immensely and I loved Valerie. I felt she was right in her anger and that he was way more destructive than she was because he was helping to destroy the whole idea of creativity in art. Some people dislike the term, but I feel that creativity is a kind of spiritual act, a profound thing for people to do. Warhol was the exact opposite, he tried to deny and purge the core of creativity and put it on a commercial basis. As a person he was really despicable, as well, and that's why Valerie hated him. He used and manipulated people.>The attack on Andy was met with silence on the Left and I think that was because it raised issues that no one could deal with. This wasn't violence occurring in some far off place. Also Andy had become a star, almost an honoured image, and here she was striking at it. Even the people who liked her feminist approach couldn't deal with the fact that she would harm Andy. Black Mask and The Family drove the political people nuts because we didn't fit into any of their blueprints, because we were loose cannons, so you can imagine how they looked upon Valerie. >>2762004>>2762545>>2762571It’s funny seeing radfems hold her up as proof that women can have violent revolution against men, when she couldn’t even manage to shoot a scrawny artist standing three feet in front of her. All types of Western leftists really do treat revolution like cosplay
>>2762258>I am a male rape victim toothe only thing you're a victim of is your own personality disorder that makes you do insane mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you're a victim when you're actually a privileged male normal who has had every conceivable advantage in life
>>2762607Seething feminist detected
>>2761999>>2762008>>2762013>>2762019Thrrad summary;
> Promoted anti communist beliefs by arguing for women to oppress men> Is a literal zionist> Feminists and "leftists" dont critize her since she's a minority and oppressed people cant be critized since youll be cancelled on xitterIdpol trully is a reactionary ideology.
>>2761999>>2762006>>2762571I find it funny how some anons here say "wow Valerie Solanas is so based" when this imageboard is full of MtF transpeople, and Solanas absolutely despised transpeople, called transwomen deflective males who put up an act by playing a mockery of how real women act and behave, which she thought ironically enforced gender norms instead of liberating us from them.
I'm not saying she is right at all but there is a reason why TERFs love her so much. And I can understand where she was coming from because she had it even worse than Dworkin, she was repeatedly sexually abused by her uncle, was homeless for a good chunk of her life and had to resort to prostitution in a grimey violent rundown bankrupted NYC, while Andy Warhol was living a very comfortable bourgeois life.
But I don't really like it when people glorify her, especially LGBT people who aren't cis and lesbian and think she is so radical and cool, because if she had her way she would start her eugenics program by shooting and torturing every transfolk and gay men in existence. Read the SCUM Manifesto, it's very short and you will quickly realize she was a rather unsavory character.
>>2763106>when this imageboard is full of MtF transpeopleIs it tho? Wasn't kind of a meme?
That said she was a female chud, many races and gender 1 phenotype
>>2761954Dworkin wrote some ok stuff from what I've heard. I haven't read any of her books myself but I hear good things about Right-wing Women.
>>2763107I have it on good authority that most of the leftcom and trotskyist posters on this board are trans girlies
>>2763142sabo flag is a girl
anprim flag is a girl
nihilist flag became a girl last month
or so they claim on the discord
>>2761954Wasn't she a reactionary? Idpoler for sure
>>2762607 ah yes the "advantages" of having a foreskin lmao
>>2763166>how dare that stupied ugly foid disegree with me she is just freaking jelous!!1I hoped to see some actual critisism of her and not just old school misogyny
>>2763178Like I said, never heard of her, but I imagine that is what she talks (or talked, idk if she is alive or not) based on that photo. Am I right?
>>2761954fat, ugly, raped (lol), subversive, jew.
>>2762258>I was raped (mentally)KWARB
>>2762300The fact that you got raped isn't a trump card, besides, it's probably a fake accusation for sympathy anyway.
>>2763178And women do not like fugly obese men what is the issue here?
>>2763174>>2763262Look at these seething misandrist feminists lol
>>2761954She had a lot of really terrible opinions, but bringing her up is a really good litmus test in my experience. Feminists will engage with ideas of hers that they do or don't like, antifeminists will, always, 100% of the time say something impressively misogynistic about her. This thread is a great example.
>>2763310Personally being a zionist is enough for me to sweep her entirely into the bin, im not going to engage with nonsense peddlers like her and Hannah Arendt who are just useful idiots for fascists.
>>2763262 thanks u/Glownonymous for your very cosntructive response
>>2763284 for some reason i dont think that guy is a feminist of any kind much less a radical one lol
>>2763322You're crying about how raped you are so you're basically the same thing. Go put another tampon up your hole, rapelet.
this site is an intellectual sewer full of angry entitled man-boys
might as well be looking at the real /pol/ at this point
>>2763322At the end of the day its night
>>2761954Dworkin was basically a reactionary idpol-brained feminist who was extremely anti-sex and thought that all sex was rape. People have also already mentioned her zionism.
I have a feeling she seriously was suffering from unresolved trauma and had it color everything about her ideas.
>>2763365Feminists like you have never been smart
>>2763477i seriously doubt anyone on this site would qualify as a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, and getting your foreskin snipped off as an infant and experimenting with your cousins as a child doesn't make you a victim of sexual abuse it just makes you a very typical angry closeted faggot.
>>2763408>And what is Fascism but unresolved trauma“It is an evolution of Sorrenuial National Syndicalism, named after the term for syndicalist labor unions in Italy
>>2761954Having read some Dworkin, all I read was flagrant grievance mongering which rested utop and assumption that all men are violent, subsapient pit demons whose favorite activities are rape and wife beating, and all women are frail, hapless nymphs in a permanent state of childhood.
>>2763872Love the comments
>You need to read more books on the necessity of our movement which constantly contradicts itself, doesn't really believe in anything beyond vague "man bad, woman good" vibes, has a history of working with conservatives and the CIA and whose biggest accomplishment after the 70s was making the media worse and more annoying.Its incredibly amusing seeing all these radlibs acting like some Literally Who academic and their dead duck idpol that has only ever succeeded in annoying people is more radical than Che Guevara.
>>2764050Also written by people who’ve spent their entire lives in academia, with virtually no experience outside of it and filled with people who’ve never worked a regular job or really interacted with a normal people. I hate to sound like a Redditor, but BoJack Horseman had a similar kind of sentiment about celebrities, they aren't “real people,” because they’re constantly stuck in an environment that’s almost artificially constructed, like a complete fantasy world.
>>2763870Sure but what enabled it? It was the collective trauma of WW1 veterans who were politically homeless that shitler and pasta man pooled the black boots from.
>>2764265its the same shit with radfems and unresolved sexual trauma fash come along and weaponize the hate against idpol targets which drives it into vectors that ignore class and ultimately create cycles of violence that can only be resolved through class
>>2761962i have no thoughts on her because i'm not a liberal
ITT: We discuss something we have not read about at all
>>2763605Lol okay radfem retard
>>2764295You just described 95% of /leftypol/.
>>2764295good thing I didn't mention her writings at any point,and just her political actions
>>2764318People here need to apply this to Lenin, Stalin, Marx, and Mao instead of quotemining
>>2764318She's an intellectual not a politician
>>2763151multiple people use flags anon
>>2764265The Ideology of the street gangster socialist
>>2763881woke neo-victorian sexual morality
>>2764422
Im not a feminist, thus I am not mad about rape
>>2764453So you getting raped is fine? You wouldn’t resist?
>>2764465Ate you stupid, anon?
>>2764467Don’t make me come over there and fuck your ass
>>2764469I would gladly meet with you to send you to the hospital. Let's meet in Taxqueña subway station Mexico City
You won't
>>2764474I’ll be slumped over in a mezcal bar in the north
>>2764287Yes, feminist critical theory of the media shit that that had mostly circulated in feminist groups started being used in the media (or at least creatives started acting like it was) and the result was media that was worse and more annoying.
>>2764384Victorian sexual morality was not a force that was hostile to men and, in fact, often complimentary to their desires. The strain of supposed puritanism that may inhabit certain feminists is a different force, one that may intersect and be appropriated by conservative ideology but is still separate in origin.
>>2764694Its literally just lesbianism; a spiritual hatred for the penis.
>>2764697so you agree its not victorian in any sense of the word but something diffrent?
>>2764706Yes; second-wave feminism is French in origin, not British.
>>2764726I read some essays on sex education in France in the 1900s~
The proles would get taken into a field and shown animals having sex and would be encouraged to get married as soon as possible.
The children of the upper class would be given birth control, educated properly and encouraged to have as many partners as possible.
>>2764730Today, the working classes are both fertile and promiscuous
>>2764726marvel quip ass response
>>2764750As for the french upper class and being poly thats pretty well understood without needing to dig up sources
>>2764755Yeah it speaks to why its important to be able to actually read under capitalism, you become an untouchable otherwise.
>>2764753 ive always wonder why the french seems to have such a higher libido then other euros lol perhaps its due to them having been the center of one of the first major anti clerical revolutions?
>>2764760They dont have a greater libido, they are just more shameless
>>2764780i was being a bit tongue and cheek with my wording but yeah true
>>2764760It's a stereotype, in France we see the Italians that way.
>>2764793well in that case the italians but be then truly horrid
>>2764801Don’t google Bunga Bunga
>>2761954She was right about a lot of things but her general reactionary disdain for men convinced me that Feminism is not inherently compatible with Leftism and we need to be very careful allying with Men of Wo. Most self-identified radfems are just left-wing out of self-interest and not any kind of idealistic belief in improving the world or helping their fellow man, just themselves and their own kind. Cut a radfem and a tribalist class traitor bleeds. They're also often responsible for extremely reactionary policy under the guise of "protecting women" like banning porn or requiring age verification online or mass surveillance.
Maybe I'm just a chud though.
>>2764793Les ritals sont en chaleur c'est scientifiquement prouvé
>>2765361why is banning porn "extremely reactionary"?
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