Wanna know what folks on here thinks of andrea dworkin and general sentiment around her work alongside others in her vein. Was she a genius or just stupid?
She was really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really fat as hell lol
Didn't she try to kill Andy Warhol? That's enough to be based for me
Abuse victim that made her trauma into a legal battle and moral crusade, not surprising nothing got out of it.
>>2761999 no that was a diffrent radfem named Valerie Solanas you might have heard of her from her manifesto "SCUM Manifesto"
>>2761999No that was Valerie Solanas, who wrote the scum manifesto. Very based individual
>>2761954she was a lib and didn't go far enough. I resent her for backtracking on the "all heterosexual sex is rape" type statements. she accurately described what the average chud thinks nowadays but then would say something like "but, of course, most men don't consciously think like this" and I think that in 2026 we can say that most men do think like that. matter of fact, if she and her fellow travelers had an impact, it was the reinvention of sex as a consensual activity. the right-wing discourse regarding sex right now is that it is gay and men should go back to raping
>>2762001 a bit reductive don't you think? She certainty has a lot of infulunce if not causing any legal changes plus she alongside her ascociate Catharine A. MacKinnon advocated for what would eventually become the nordic model approach to prostitution that is currentally in effect in sweden (where i live lol)
zionism for women
>>2762013 yeah it seems like she had some really yikes sentiments about israel and zionism even held it up as an model for women to follow lol which is not that suprising unfortunately since she is jewish although she seemengly did later on especialy after being disalousined with it after her visit there in 1988 condemm much of the macho militarism and ethno-nationalism and as well as persucution of palestinian not that disuade any rightful condemnation for her liberal zionism or any potential introspection on the possible zionist infulunce on her general belifs
>>2762019the one i was referencing was from 2000, she is undeniably a zionist in both the literal, and the relative sense
>>2762061 didn't deny that "not that disuade any rightful condemnation for her liberal zionism" thats what i said
>>2761954Top tier bbw milf
Did she say all heterosexual sex is rape or that all penetrative sex was rape? The latter makes more sense, and rightly calls out gay men because male homosexuality is misogyny taken to it’s logical conclusion
>>2762193It’s true and you know it
>>2762164>>2762197We already have gay misandrist. Can we gay misogynist now?
>>2762198They’re the ones calling their assholes boy pussies, they’re so misogynist that they insist they can take on the roles of women better than women themselves, dehumanized women to such a point they’re not just less than human, but not even worthy of sexualization
>>2762197this proves that radical feminism is simply just woke victorian sexuality, it attacks every expression of sexuality, and states anything but a pure celibacy is rape, that the most pure form of love is between 2 women
>>2762218Sex is objectively evil and disgusting no matter how you’re having it, it’s how disease spreads and why rape happens
>>2762203No woman can take on the role of this man
>>2762018 >>2762226They call him the plunger, not because he's Italian, but because he suctions the life out of any urethra
>>27619543 women: a bourgeois girlboss, a dworkinite radfem, and a communist guerilla, are discussing how often moids should change diapers
>moids should change 100% of diapers, to make up for centuries of patriarchysays the bourgeois girlboss
>moids should change 0% of diapers, because they are all rapists, and not to be trusted around childrensays the dworkinite radfem
>men should change 50% of diapers, to hold up their half of the sky, says the communist guerillathe dworkinite and the capitalist, disgusted, would have shot her for being a centrist, but neither of them were armed, nor knew how to use a gun
>>2762229You know he was married four times and had kids right?
>>2762233it's a forced meme on here. there are two competing schizos, one of whom insists mao zedong said to nut in prostitutes, the other one who insists mao was revcel nofap and achieved nirvana
>>2762240She was a rape victim and assumed her experience was universal
>>2762243I am a male rape victim too (was circumcised and then I was strip naked by my cousins and kicked out to the streets) and I still enjoy intercourse
anti-sex feminists that were raped are just retarded
>>2762218 victorian sexuality wasn't "anti sex" just mearley have it controlled (in favor of the patriarch and bourgsie reality)
>>2762230 was the diaper part really necessary?
>>2762258>I am a male rape victim too (was circumcisedLOL get the fuck out of here
>>2762258your stupidity is penetrating my brain and making me lose faith in humanity, i guess i am a male rape victim too now
>>2762258>>2762293>>2762296can we all not call other rape victims retarded or dogpile on someone for feeling violated even if we don't technically agree with their definition of rape? thanks
>>2762292rewrite the joke to make sense without it.
>>2762301 well you got me there
>>2761954Her heart was in the right place but I personally think she was fundementally wrong, but I am also a sex extremist in the other direction so 🤷♀️
>>2762293>>2762296mad feminists detected
>>2762300sorry but it's retarded to believe misandry and anti-sex being is a correct political stance
>>2762292yes, it's central to the joke. Consider:
>it's something that used to be considered a "woman's job">men were not expected to do it, but if they tried to do it, it was considered suspicious behavior on their part>nowadays men do it more often (and do more domestic work in general) due to feminist progress>a dworkinite would say never trust men with doing it, because they're all rapists>a girlboss capitalist would say men should do it all the time, and should just become the domestic servants women used to be>only a communist woman would say men should hold up their half of the skymake sense? no? idk what to tell ya.
>>2762306A.B. once said - if your foreskin is cut off by russian saboteurciety and your penis and/or is sucked by the abrahamic cultist rabbi you are to ask your closest comrade to share their foreskin with you in an act that would later be called "docking".
>>2762258I was circumcised, non-consensually, at a much older age than most (five), and I would not call it rape. Though I wish it didn't happen. That other thing that happened to you is very much sexual assault however, and actually very similar to something that happened to me at summer camp once. I would also say I was sexually assaulted in a gym bleachers once in middle school, at the age of 12, when a random person I didn't know decided to publicly humiliate me by humping the back of my head, for no discernible reason. He seemed to have some kind of personality disorder, because I saw him randomly bully other people without provocation also
>>2762306 i mean isn't it understandeble why someone who would go through with something so horrofying and terrible would perhaps be more susceptible to those ideas no?
>>2762293>I am a male rape victim too (was circumcisedWould you say that FGM victims are out of line to describe it as rape? For the sake of argument let's assume it's the form that's anatomically equivalent to male circumcision (removal of the clitoral hood, in a sterile medical context).
>>2762320they would not, because misandry is allowed when discussing feminism
>>2762315/pol/-tier logic
>>2762322not really since there isn't a black equivalent against white people like what patriarchy is to women lol
>>2762320IMO it's not rape, it's just mutilation.
>>2762330 again? dwag
>>2762324>/pol/-tier logic is just black vs whiteremove yourself from the genepool
>>2762349>remove yourself from the genepoolrich of you to complain about pol logic
>>2762545<Tell us about Valerie Solanas, who you were close to and wrote a defense of following her murder attempt on Andy Warhol in 1968. There was a deafening silence in the underground press around her ideas and actions following the shooting. This seems a little odd given the fact that by this point the New Left had begun to increasingly glorify political violence.>Ben: Valerie used to stay with me quite a bit as she was fairly homeless and always on the move. There was a lot of parody and irony in her writing, but she was also, and I don't mean this in a bad sense, a fairly crazy person. She saw a need to raise a lot of issues around what happens to women and the SCUM Manifesto was the best way she could express herself. I always loved people who were loose cannons, who didn't fit the mould.>Sometime later when Black Mask had wrapped up and The Family had started we were involved in the occupation of Columbia University [1968]. Valerie came up there and found me and asked "What would happen if I shot somebody?" I said "It depends on two things - who you shoot and whether they die or not." A week later she shot Andy Warhol.>After she shot him I wrote a pamphlet supporting her. I may have been the only person who did that publicly. I went up to MOMA and handed it out there. Everybody I met was very negative about it, but, hey, I disliked Andy Warhol immensely and I loved Valerie. I felt she was right in her anger and that he was way more destructive than she was because he was helping to destroy the whole idea of creativity in art. Some people dislike the term, but I feel that creativity is a kind of spiritual act, a profound thing for people to do. Warhol was the exact opposite, he tried to deny and purge the core of creativity and put it on a commercial basis. As a person he was really despicable, as well, and that's why Valerie hated him. He used and manipulated people.>The attack on Andy was met with silence on the Left and I think that was because it raised issues that no one could deal with. This wasn't violence occurring in some far off place. Also Andy had become a star, almost an honoured image, and here she was striking at it. Even the people who liked her feminist approach couldn't deal with the fact that she would harm Andy. Black Mask and The Family drove the political people nuts because we didn't fit into any of their blueprints, because we were loose cannons, so you can imagine how they looked upon Valerie. >>2762004>>2762545>>2762571It’s funny seeing radfems hold her up as proof that women can have violent revolution against men, when she couldn’t even manage to shoot a scrawny artist standing three feet in front of her. All types of Western leftists really do treat revolution like cosplay
>>2762258>I am a male rape victim toothe only thing you're a victim of is your own personality disorder that makes you do insane mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you're a victim when you're actually a privileged male normal who has had every conceivable advantage in life
>>2762607Seething feminist detected
>>2761999>>2762008>>2762013>>2762019Thrrad summary;
> Promoted anti communist beliefs by arguing for women to oppress men> Is a literal zionist> Feminists and "leftists" dont critize her since she's a minority and oppressed people cant be critized since youll be cancelled on xitterIdpol trully is a reactionary ideology.
>>2761999>>2762006>>2762571I find it funny how some anons here say "wow Valerie Solanas is so based" when this imageboard is full of MtF transpeople, and Solanas absolutely despised transpeople, called transwomen deflective males who put up an act by playing a mockery of how real women act and behave, which she thought ironically enforced gender norms instead of liberating us from them.
I'm not saying she is right at all but there is a reason why TERFs love her so much. And I can understand where she was coming from because she had it even worse than Dworkin, she was repeatedly sexually abused by her uncle, was homeless for a good chunk of her life and had to resort to prostitution in a grimey violent rundown bankrupted NYC, while Andy Warhol was living a very comfortable bourgeois life.
But I don't really like it when people glorify her, especially LGBT people who aren't cis and lesbian and think she is so radical and cool, because if she had her way she would start her eugenics program by shooting and torturing every transfolk and gay men in existence. Read the SCUM Manifesto, it's very short and you will quickly realize she was a rather unsavory character.
>>2763106>when this imageboard is full of MtF transpeopleIs it tho? Wasn't kind of a meme?
That said she was a female chud, many races and gender 1 phenotype
>>2761954Dworkin wrote some ok stuff from what I've heard. I haven't read any of her books myself but I hear good things about Right-wing Women.
>>2763107I have it on good authority that most of the leftcom and trotskyist posters on this board are trans girlies
>>2763142sabo flag is a girl
anprim flag is a girl
nihilist flag became a girl last month
or so they claim on the discord
>>2761954Wasn't she a reactionary? Idpoler for sure
>>2762607 ah yes the "advantages" of having a foreskin lmao
>>2763166>how dare that stupied ugly foid disegree with me she is just freaking jelous!!1I hoped to see some actual critisism of her and not just old school misogyny
>>2763178Like I said, never heard of her, but I imagine that is what she talks (or talked, idk if she is alive or not) based on that photo. Am I right?
>>2761954fat, ugly, raped (lol), subversive, jew.
>>2762258>I was raped (mentally)KWARB
>>2762300The fact that you got raped isn't a trump card, besides, it's probably a fake accusation for sympathy anyway.
>>2763178And women do not like fugly obese men what is the issue here?
>>2763174>>2763262Look at these seething misandrist feminists lol
>>2761954She had a lot of really terrible opinions, but bringing her up is a really good litmus test in my experience. Feminists will engage with ideas of hers that they do or don't like, antifeminists will, always, 100% of the time say something impressively misogynistic about her. This thread is a great example.
>>2763310Personally being a zionist is enough for me to sweep her entirely into the bin, im not going to engage with nonsense peddlers like her and Hannah Arendt who are just useful idiots for fascists.
>>2763262 thanks u/Glownonymous for your very cosntructive response
>>2763284 for some reason i dont think that guy is a feminist of any kind much less a radical one lol
>>2763322You're crying about how raped you are so you're basically the same thing. Go put another tampon up your hole, rapelet.
this site is an intellectual sewer full of angry entitled man-boys
might as well be looking at the real /pol/ at this point
>>2763322At the end of the day its night
>>2761954Dworkin was basically a reactionary idpol-brained feminist who was extremely anti-sex and thought that all sex was rape. People have also already mentioned her zionism.
I have a feeling she seriously was suffering from unresolved trauma and had it color everything about her ideas.
>>2763365Feminists like you have never been smart
>>2763477i seriously doubt anyone on this site would qualify as a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, and getting your foreskin snipped off as an infant and experimenting with your cousins as a child doesn't make you a victim of sexual abuse it just makes you a very typical angry closeted faggot.
>>2763408>And what is Fascism but unresolved trauma“It is an evolution of Sorrenuial National Syndicalism, named after the term for syndicalist labor unions in Italy
>>2761954Having read some Dworkin, all I read was flagrant grievance mongering which rested utop and assumption that all men are violent, subsapient pit demons whose favorite activities are rape and wife beating, and all women are frail, hapless nymphs in a permanent state of childhood.
>>2763872Love the comments
>You need to read more books on the necessity of our movement which constantly contradicts itself, doesn't really believe in anything beyond vague "man bad, woman good" vibes, has a history of working with conservatives and the CIA and whose biggest accomplishment after the 70s was making the media worse and more annoying.Its incredibly amusing seeing all these radlibs acting like some Literally Who academic and their dead duck idpol that has only ever succeeded in annoying people is more radical than Che Guevara.
>>2764050Also written by people who’ve spent their entire lives in academia, with virtually no experience outside of it and filled with people who’ve never worked a regular job or really interacted with a normal people. I hate to sound like a Redditor, but BoJack Horseman had a similar kind of sentiment about celebrities, they aren't “real people,” because they’re constantly stuck in an environment that’s almost artificially constructed, like a complete fantasy world.
>>2763870Sure but what enabled it? It was the collective trauma of WW1 veterans who were politically homeless that shitler and pasta man pooled the black boots from.
>>2764265its the same shit with radfems and unresolved sexual trauma fash come along and weaponize the hate against idpol targets which drives it into vectors that ignore class and ultimately create cycles of violence that can only be resolved through class
>>2761962i have no thoughts on her because i'm not a liberal
ITT: We discuss something we have not read about at all
>>2763605Lol okay radfem retard
>>2764295You just described 95% of /leftypol/.
>>2764295good thing I didn't mention her writings at any point,and just her political actions
>>2764318People here need to apply this to Lenin, Stalin, Marx, and Mao instead of quotemining
>>2764318She's an intellectual not a politician
>>2763151multiple people use flags anon
>>2764265The Ideology of the street gangster socialist
>>2763881woke neo-victorian sexual morality
>>2764422
Im not a feminist, thus I am not mad about rape
>>2764453So you getting raped is fine? You wouldn’t resist?
>>2764465Ate you stupid, anon?
>>2764467Don’t make me come over there and fuck your ass
>>2764469I would gladly meet with you to send you to the hospital. Let's meet in Taxqueña subway station Mexico City
You won't
>>2764474I’ll be slumped over in a mezcal bar in the north
>>2764287Yes, feminist critical theory of the media shit that that had mostly circulated in feminist groups started being used in the media (or at least creatives started acting like it was) and the result was media that was worse and more annoying.
>>2764384Victorian sexual morality was not a force that was hostile to men and, in fact, often complimentary to their desires. The strain of supposed puritanism that may inhabit certain feminists is a different force, one that may intersect and be appropriated by conservative ideology but is still separate in origin.
>>2764694Its literally just lesbianism; a spiritual hatred for the penis.
>>2764697so you agree its not victorian in any sense of the word but something diffrent?
>>2764706Yes; second-wave feminism is French in origin, not British.
>>2764726I read some essays on sex education in France in the 1900s~
The proles would get taken into a field and shown animals having sex and would be encouraged to get married as soon as possible.
The children of the upper class would be given birth control, educated properly and encouraged to have as many partners as possible.
>>2764730Today, the working classes are both fertile and promiscuous
>>2764726marvel quip ass response
>>2764750As for the french upper class and being poly thats pretty well understood without needing to dig up sources
>>2764755Yeah it speaks to why its important to be able to actually read under capitalism, you become an untouchable otherwise.
>>2764753 ive always wonder why the french seems to have such a higher libido then other euros lol perhaps its due to them having been the center of one of the first major anti clerical revolutions?
>>2764760They dont have a greater libido, they are just more shameless
>>2764780i was being a bit tongue and cheek with my wording but yeah true
>>2764760It's a stereotype, in France we see the Italians that way.
>>2764793well in that case the italians but be then truly horrid
>>2764801Don’t google Bunga Bunga
>>2761954She was right about a lot of things but her general reactionary disdain for men convinced me that Feminism is not inherently compatible with Leftism and we need to be very careful allying with Men of Wo. Most self-identified radfems are just left-wing out of self-interest and not any kind of idealistic belief in improving the world or helping their fellow man, just themselves and their own kind. Cut a radfem and a tribalist class traitor bleeds. They're also often responsible for extremely reactionary policy under the guise of "protecting women" like banning porn or requiring age verification online or mass surveillance.
Maybe I'm just a chud though.
>>2764793Les ritals sont en chaleur c'est scientifiquement prouvé
>>2765361why is banning porn "extremely reactionary"?
>>2765361>we need to be very careful allying with Men of Woinherent in this statement is the idea that only men would ever read your post LOL
>>2762305>but I am also a sex extremistGod dayum, hit me up boo 😏
>>2792934
What exactly do you think this proves?
>>2792940Seems pretty noncey
>>2792944Which part, acknowledging that children have sexual impulses? That is an observation that might have been provocative a century ago, when Freud started writing about it. Even if we treat sexuality in narrow sense of the word, ask any parent about the stuff children get up to.
>>2761954Shes like a highly concentrated mass of idpol.
>>2792949This 20th century tendency in some liberal and intellectual circles to frame the distinction between adults and children as something restrictive, almost as if it’s an outdated boundary that needs to be softened in the name of autonomy or emancipation. But this framing gets things exactly backwards.
Recognizing childhood as a distinct, protected phase of life is not oppressive, it’s one of the most important emancipatory achievements of modern society.
For most of human history, there was no meaningful concept of childhood as we understand it today. Children were not seen as a separate class of persons with specific developmental needs. They were workers in fields and factories, soldiers in wars, and participants in adult institutions long before they had the capacity to navigate them safely. Child labor, child marriage, and the general expectation that children should take on adult roles were not exceptions, they were the norm.
The modern distinction between adults and children emerged precisely as a response to these conditions. It reflects a recognition that children are uniquely vulnerable, still developing cognitively, emotionally, and physically, and therefore require protection, time, and space to grow. Laws around compulsory education, minimum working ages, and consent are not arbitrary constraints, they are safeguards built to prevent exploitation.
When people argue for “blurring” this line, even with good intentions, they risk undermining the very framework that made those protections possible. If children are treated as mini-adults in the name of respecting their agency, the door reopens, conceptually at least, to the same forms of exploitation that modern child protection sought to eliminate. History shows where that leads.
This doesn’t mean children should be ignored, silenced, or denied all forms of autonomy. Of course they should be listened to and gradually given responsibility in age-appropriate ways. But that is entirely different from dissolving the boundary between childhood and adulthood altogether.
In this sense, the push to blur that line is not progressive, it’s reactionary. It echoes a pre-modern worldview where vulnerability was overlooked and power imbalances went unchecked. True progress lies in maintaining and refining the distinction, not erasing it.
Protecting childhood is not about limiting freedom. It’s about making freedom possible in the first place. That's what makes it noncey.
>>2792949Freud ran at a time with basically no ethics and was describing the development of child sexuality, not encouraging them to act upon them and to develop sexual
relations with adults.
>The distinctions between “children” and “adults,” and the social institutions which enforce those distinctions, would disappear as androgynous community develops.why blur the line?
>>2792968>>2792965I agree, although characterisation of Dworkin as noncey, given her own history of sexual abuse and negative attitude towards sexuality in general, is unfounded.
>>2761954The problem isn't so much that she was wrong but that she had no plan but to gentrify red light districts and increase the power of the state. Marriage=prostitution=paid rape. So what? How are you going to change this arrangement of society?
>>2793048
>"communist" citing mise
Ancap Nazi Pedo Zionist performs "worst LARP ever", asked to leave.
>>2793048
>links to essay by someone in the 'MAA' (minor attracted adult) which goes on to compare not wanting to fuck kids to being a pro-jim crow segregationist
disgusting also kill yourself
>>2793113
none of that has anything to do with pedos trying to organize and legitimize themselves by legalizing what they want to do rather than seeking mental help
>>2793174
yes
>>2793174
If adult/child sexual relations were healthy or good then why has every child I met who was in one grow into hard drug addiction?
>>2793177Probably because you and those you met live in prohibitive environments when it comes to adult-child sex where the end result is such activities selecting for already-antisocial people who would have broken the law regardless, much like how most Germans who had their first sip of vodka at 16 years old are more well-adjusted than their American peers due to how prohibitive youth alcoholism is in America compared to Germany.
The same goes not just for minors, but adults as well as the prohibition on adult-child sex means that the activity in America self-selects for criminals or other people who are apathetic about the law in ways that isn’t possible in more tolerant places with lower ages of consent like Cuba (12) and Argentina (13), the end result being that pedophobic beliefs about MAPs are reified by the kind of harsh penalties said pedophobes support. It’s not breaking science.
Alternatively, the reason the former AAMs are messed up has most likely to do with other life events unrelated to sexual contact, so unless you can prove that they would have ended up the same with or without confounds, there’s no point bringing up anecdotes, especially when I’ve got counterexamples of my own:
https://fstube.net/w/3ixRmzffQ7edLd7v2c6UqRThe Rind report of 1998 and subsequent replications validate the fact that adult-child sex isn’t inherently harmful. Indeed, to this day mainstream sociologists and criminologists have yet to give conclusive evidence for a causative relationship between harm and adult-child sex, much like how mainstream marginalist economists to this day have yet to solve the contradictions in the marginalist theory of value as pointed out in the Cambridge Capital controversy.
>>2793176Then fuck off to /pol/ you nazi piece of shit!
Pedo incel gooners kindly go back to .neet
>>2793378dont care face the wall enter the rope jump off a bridge run into traffick
>>2793365AoC of 13 still isn't going to help your pedofriends anyway.
>>2793365If the Rind study was such a bombshell why do even pedophile-sympathizing experts on the topic like Seto not adopt your position, which continues to only be held by pedophiles?
>>2793378Says the guy who uses nazi /pol/ memes "n shieet" to defend pedophilia.
dworkin hard or hardly dworkin? hahaha
>>2793401
>Because adopting any position that is even remotely seen as being pedo-friendly in the slightest will get you hounded out of academia in what can only be described as censorship and repression within academia for political reasons.
Cantor argues that pedophiles should be in the LGBTQ movement very openly. Seto argues pedophilia should be understood as a sexual orientation. I highly doubt their rejection of your ideas is because of fear of cancel culture.
>>2793442🙄 Yes, I'm sure the Epstein class have a material interest in stigmatizing pedophilia.
Everybody knows it's the priests and the nobs and the elites Diddying kids. It's no different than Roman times when the poor would sell their kids into slavery to be raped by the oligarchs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys%27_Homehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mountbatten-Windsorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile>>2793442
>Is that supposed to be an own or what?
You're bringing up other countries having lower ages of consent for pedophilic relationships when even your lowest examples are above pedophilic age of attraction anyway
>>2793458>Muh EpsteinOk Qanontard, ignore the evidence as you want, but it doesn’t change the truth pertaining to that farce:
https://www.mtracey.net/p/the-insane-multitude-of-misconceptions
>Everybody knows it's the priests and the nobs and the elites Diddying kids.If that’s the case, then how come most social media owned by said “Epstein class” prohibits any discussion of pedophilia and minor attraction that doesn’t amount to fascistic pedo-bashing in their TOS, with bans being handed out for it?
Citing some figures that got arrested or tarnished for “pedophilia” doesn’t help your argument at all, especially since Prince Andrew’s “crime” was having consensual sex with some prostie that was a year above the British magic age line, which was part of the reason why the Met didn’t prosecute him. Not that it negates how much BS the Andrew drama was.
>>2793478>above pedophilicDef not for the pedophobes and puriteens here, who think even being hebephilic makes you worse than Hitler.
>The Argument is that blurring the line between children and adults might facilitate the former's exploitation.
>Actual pedophile hysterically jumps into the thread immediately starting age of consent discourse will citing authors like Mises that quite literally advocated for slave markets.
Lmao.
>>2793442
>The Rind report of 1998 already faced harsh unilateral condemnation from US Congress despite the study having already undergone through extensive peer review by the APA. Susan Clancy literally had to flee to Nicaragua after receiving threats for proving that trauma isn’t inherent to adult-child sex in her book “The Trauma Myth” (despite coming to the asinine conclusion that the solution is to indoctrinate child sex partners into being traumatised), Richard Yuill and Thomas K Hubbard lost their academic positions for being not being sufficiently pedophobic:
Yes, and despite all of the shit they've gotten none of these figures agree with you! So clearly their disagreement with you goes beyond fear of the mob, since they're fine with expressing all sorts of other views despite those also prompting all sorts of backlash. Why are they fine with speaking for what they believe the evidence points to, despite all the harassment, for all of these other points but not for your pro-contact position, which to this day only fellow pedophiles like O'Carroll have promoted?
Seems to me like its clear that the pro-Contact position emerges not from evidence but from self-interest being a powerful motivator.
>>2793498pedo desperatly seeks to affirm confirmation bias, its a hallmark of a conspiracy theorist where they will just latch onto literally any nutjob who publishes a 'paper' on the thing they set out to prove while ignoring literally any contradictory evidence.
in order words do not engage
>>2761954>Is (idpol idealogue) genius or stupid This has to be a bait OP.
Someone check this uyghas hard drive
She was a chad. Anti porn and anti prostitution is based simple as, anyone saying otherwise can cry. We must destroy libfeminism
Right wing women was also a very good book
>>2793717
Rind does not agree with your views.
>>2793717
>Why not re-appraise and similarly undermine the campaigning of the Black or Gay Civil Rights Movements in postwar America? After all, their arguments were made by black and gay people themselves, and blatantly in their own interests.
Then stop calling it things like "youthlib" when it really is just for your own benefit above all else.
>>2794044
Personally my position is we legalise killing mass with hammers in the town square so everyone can take part
>>2794058MAA's/pedo scum*
>>2794059Reactionary blather
>>2794061I'm ok with being a reactionary in this instance
>>2794018it's literally an israel for women
>>2794044
you're posting that literal neo nazi kirkergaard? nazipedo theory proven once again
>>2794091
>kirkergaard
Emil is different from Søren Kierkegaard, ones a nazi.
>>2794091
any group that promotes adults to have sex with children is a net drain on society, posting a literal neo-nazi to defend your hebephilic attractions shows there is nothing good about it
>>2794096the second study doesnt even backup what they're saying, this post is completely accurate to what they're doing, no critical analysis just working backwards from 'I want to fuck kids' and grasping/chimping anything that might even give the appearance of being correct, the fact they mixed up a neo-nazi from the 1990s with a phil guy from the 19th century really highlights this lmao.
>>2793534 >>2794101
how does your drive to fuck children help anyone at all? we don't want your kind here, go and receive treatment for this
>>2794101
My sympathy for 'MAAs' begins and ends when they start trying to legalize fucking kids, if they want to seek help to become normal im all for destigmatizing it but it this is the route they take im all for throwing them off the tallest bridge.
>>2794103no i just think you should stop hiding your hebephillic desires as being "normal", i don't think you should go to prison for having them, or be executed, i just think you should try to become a normal person
>>2794100it's really just pathetic
>>2794113
Not going to address you posted an actual neo-nazi while calling me one? You're a societal dead end, drink bleach.
>>2794113
>Should I be surprised that a KSA pfp nazi fuck would lie their way to uphold their bigotry? I think not. Go back to ACP you cunt.
it's the logo of hamas you dimwit, you can hover it and find that out
>The second study shows 2.4% of the sample (12 and 15 year olds) reported CSA experiences, of which the majority found them to be positive. For the boys, the experience was often positive (71%) vs (9% negative), whereas for the girls it was less often so evaluated (26%) vs (46%) negative. The most popular reason for not disclosing the contact to an adult was considering the experience not serious enough (41%). Despite a CSA sample of 256, the authors bizarrely refused to test for statistical significance of trends.
a lot of people believe that traumatic events were "necessary" or worth it, this doesn't mean they were actually positive experiences
>If most boys reported it positively unlike girls, and if the biggest reason for non-disclosure was that the minors didn't think it was noteworthy, then how is that not further evidence that the current hegemonic capitalist myth of "adult-child sex is always le bad and traumatising, m'kay"?
because boys in particular don't report molestation or other forms of sexual abuse? because it's seen as being "gay" and various other badthing? it's pretty blatant this is the reason if we actually look at the topic
>>2794113
According to your logic - people should approve of raping babies as a "victimless crime" since they don't have an experience report and would not remember it.
In the same manner, if you got shot in the back of the head when you least expected it, nobody can claim you didn't enjoy it and therefore it was voluntarily assisted suicide.
>>2794118
tell you what, run on a popular platform of legalizing fucking kids and il run on a popular platform of tying you to a train track and running you over and we'll see who wins
>>2794118
>That's how you sound like.
yeah 'cause i said it, and i'd say it again, and again, and again
>That's how you sound like, chudjak
funniest is part is i'm gay and i know for a fact that unlike your hebephillic urges, homosexuality at the very least is entirely defensible logically, since it doesn't require to go through mental gymnastics about how actually the child you're raping is entirely consenting and is in fact enjoying it, anything else is bigotry
>Genetic fallacy much, eh?
if it's a genetic fallacy to point out a clear and obvious conflict of interest (that guy is factually a pedophile, a neo-nazi, etc) and due to the fact that neo-nazis don't tend to report things accurately, i don't think there is any particular value in defending your use of such a source
>>2794121
>Or, they weren't traumatised at all? Try to apply Occam's razor for once.
yeah i applied it in that response, the answer that they are indeed traumatized and pretend it's positive is a conclusion that requires no unnecessary presumptions to reach
>Man, you have to be dumb to make these kinds of copes. What if they liked it? What if the main reason for the trauma has less to do with the willing sexual act itself and more to do with confounds like iatrogenic harm?
or maybe they didn't, because saying it was a positive event was far easier than admitting that you were a victim of sexual abuse?
>>2794129
the nazis where pro-pedo, the USSR would throw people like you down a well after 20 years of hard labor in Siberia, I think you might be on the wrong team buddy.
>>2794129
>Oh, the irony of a gay man defending illogical bigotry against more marginalised group. All the more ironic as pederasts were the ones in charge of the gay rights movement from the 19th century to 1994. Believe as you wish, but don't pretend that you're anything other than a house coon, especially as many of the arguments against legalising adult-child relationships can be easily used against homosexual ones:
then i'm the proudest house slave that there ever was, it was a mistake allowing pederasts into the gay rights movement, and it's a shame it ever happened
>>2794132
>False. Your presumption is based on the notion of all intergenerational intimacy being inherently harmful, of which you have no conclusive evidence for. If you start your answer based on a false belief, naturally it's going to be untenable.
a relationship between a 20 year old and a 40 year old is different to a relationship of a 40 year old and a 13 year old, 1 can reasonably be assumed to consent, and such a relationship can be healthy and last years, the other cannot be healthy and is inherently an abuse of power
>>2794142
they were "allowed in" we let them persist precisely because we were not big enough, nor really able to push them out, but when we finally gained the strength we needed, we removed the pederasts from our groups, because they brought no gains, and we had the systems to remove them, if you have a group of people who salivate exclusively over fucking children, and since this doesn't do anything but attract logical, obvious scrutiny, then we should kick them out, it's the basic principle of the paradox of tolerance, if we tolerate pedophiles and hebephiles, then we also logically tolerate even worse people, since our bar would be so low
>>2794145
it's a presumption that's backed up by evidence, is a teacher and a student of equal power, knowledge, development? logically we'd answer no to this question, if a teacher were to take advantage of this disparity to engage in sexual relationships with their students, then this would logically be an abuse of power
>>2794143
You are consistently wrong
>>2794150
Your only home is at an O9A nexion, go castrate yourself for some noctullian cosmic magik ritual or some shit, rational thinking is not your strength chomo
>>2794152Your home is Amerikkka. Go there boi
Under Foidreich panopticon you will be forced to have sexo with Andrea Dworkin under the barrel of a gun. Even gay men won't be spared.
>>2794183I didn't get an invite from Epstein like you did, fate would have it its not my home
>>2794126>feminism is a struggle between gendersIn practice, yes more often than not.
Most feminists don't even seem to disagree with patriarchy so long as patriarchy is saying that man bad and woman good.
Feminists would simply take T and hit the squat rack if they actually cared about half the shit they post online. Become unbeatable.
>>2763106I never understood the hate for Andy Warhol from the left. Like what he liked money and fame maybe a bit too much? His theoretical contributions to art are extremely Marxist coded.
>>2763106She wasnt even abused, her friend described her childhood as "Groovy"
Her schizophrenia probably made her think that shit happened.
>>2795820I think they're being contrarian to defend the Society for Cutting Up Men lady.
>>2761954>thoughts on dworkin?Top tier milf.
>>2800499Its like how antisemites see everything as Jewish
>>2800523That's hilarious.
Ultimate purity spiral.
>>2800523Yeah that's ideology for you. One day you're cancelling somebody or something and then the next day you're getting cancelled. It's like evolution.
I'll just say that lesbian culture just looks so totally different from gay male culture. There was (or still is?) a long-running lesbian music festival in Michigan which is all folk music, nature, Wicca stuff. You really won't get gay men to go spend a week camping inna woods, they'll be like "ew, bugs!" Lesbian culture seems much more political too which has its positives and negatives. There's a concept of "political lesbianism" but can you imagine guys being politically gay. You have just really had it with women and are going to be gay with the fellas.
>>2800563This shit is so fucking stupid lmao
>>2763063how is this reactonary lmao
>>2800689Who said anything about it being reactionary?
>>2800538>You really won't get gay men to go spend a week camping inna woods, they'll be like "ew, bugs!"95% of military reenactments involve gay sex innawoods
>>2801252not what he's saying, that's men basically "making due", he's referring of men making the political choice to be gay beliving that's revolutionary
>>2800696I don't know what you're complaining about. The thread got derailed for a bit, but it seems to have gotten back on track.
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