/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2782973
if some fucking isteali moves into my neighborhood im throwing a bricks through their windows until they leave

>>2782985
Why?

We need to ask ourselves: What does a “victory” for Palestine actually look like? No one can adequately answer this question.

>>2765509
>I've watched members of the CPUSA
It's funny how people on this site, such as yourself, obsess over the CPUSA, an irrelevant fossil barely clinging to life.

>>2783008
Because no one believes they can actually do anything for Palestine, and that's not the point. "Palestine" is about weeding out people based on their values. "If someone doesn't support killing every single person with Israeli citizenship they are NOT a true comrade, remove them from the left immediately" – that's what I mean.

>>2783130
>If someone doesn't support killing every single person with Israeli citizenship they are NOT a true comrade, remove them from the left immediately"
who said this? when?

>>2763552
most zionists are evangelical christians though. there's only 16 million jews on the entire planet, and even if 100% of them were zionists, that's still a tiny fraction of zionists total. the usa has 340 million people and most of them are AT LEAST liberal zionists

>>2783175
dont see you bombing anything

>>2783175
You mean like you?

Seriously, the left should be doing everything in it's power to be serious about SEIZING ACTUAL POWER, this means playing the political game, moderating policies, listening to the public, and getting leftist anti-zionist reps into power that then hold a massive fucking public enquiry into the Israel lobby, out the Israeli fifth column and arrest and try anybody that went over to Israel to help settlers, IDF etc.
The problem is Leftists REFUSE to actually have a wing of professional leftists who job is to play the electoral game in a very serious manner who's entire job is to try fuck up any attempts by Liberals to support shit like Israel, or Austerity etc. The closest you get are like, Green parties and the like, but they become bogged down in idpol and tumblr bullshit and making Childish anarkiddie demands that would never, ever come about in a Liberal order. The job of Leftist parties in a social democratic order should purely be wrecking and stonewalling any attempt of Liberals to support shit like Israel, Palantir, Austerity etc.
At the moment? What can you do? Read DIASPORA BOY
https://libgen.la/edition.php?id=142440174
This is the single best introductory book on absolutely assraping Zionists. Read the book, and just start debating Zionists on their own theory, bring up Negation of the Diaspora and get them to defend it every time you see a Zionist. Zionists love hiding behind bullshit, so you have to drag their positions into the open, so EVERYONE can see what they actually believe.
The problem with the left in regards to Zionism (and a lot of Econ) is they don't read, they just repeat talking points that Zionists are WELL prepared for, attacking Zionists on theory and showing you know more about Zionism than them, is when they panic. I've never, ever lost a debate with Zionists and it's because it's pretty easy to debunk them.

>>2783163
It's hyperbole but you see rhetoric like it in every leftist circle since October 7th.

>>2783205
>Seriously, the left should be doing everything in it's power to be serious about SEIZING ACTUAL POWER, this means playing the political game, moderating policies, listening to the public, and getting leftist anti-zionist reps into power that then hold a massive fucking public enquiry into the Israel lobby, out the Israeli fifth column and arrest and try anybody that went over to Israel to help settlers, IDF etc.
Okay, how do we seize power?

>>2783168
>most of them are AT LEAST liberal zionists
Liberal Zionist AKA two-state solution is the default position. Most people don't care enough about Palestinians to hold any other views.

>>2783228

Why are so many of you here.

I love how the go-to answer is always:
>SHUT THE COUNTRY DOWN
And yet no instruction or elaboration on how to do that is ever given.

C'mon guys, if you want a general strike you need to get off the internet and organize one.

>>2783229
Like I said, one wing of the left should be dedicated to seriously playing the game of intitutional politics, be moderate on social issues, have somewhat believable normie economic policies, actually care about what normies demands are rather than Tumblr/Tik tok vibes etc.
People that genuinely can be elected-enmass to make up at least 20% of Parliaments/lower houses etc and the job of these people isn't really to bring about Socialism, it's to wreck and root out any attempts at Anti-Communism, Pro-Zionism, Anti-Worker positions. They're not there to push rainbow mafia shit, to push leftists wishlists, they are there to specifically leverage the Establishment as it exists.
Think of them as a Communist fifth column, they are not openly Socialist/Communist, they exist purely to act against Establishment interests within the system.
Basically we do the same thing to the Establishment as they do to us, have people go in there, and wreck.

>>2763486
blockades and permanent protests around military logistics routs and institutions.
chain yourself to the rail.

>>2783311
Not enough activists will do that.

>>2783311
even a US soldier self-immolating got next to no press.
Give a schizo flag-item and send them loose at AIPAC annual meeting or just an Israeli embassy.

>>2763486
Couldnt care less. Nothing to do with socialism.

>>2783797
How would that do anything to stop Israel?

I love how everyone ITT thinks Israelis are stupid and there isn't an Israeli guy watching this discussion taking note of everything we're saying (unless leftypol is blocked in Israel, which it's not).

Just reminding everyone that trying to criminalize AIPAC (or at the very least, get it registered as a foreign agency) will do nothing if Citizens United isn't overturned. AIPAC will just splinter off into multiple little PACs that will continue giving $$$ to pro-Israel candidates.

Leftists should stop focusing on Palestine and focus on Black issues instead.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXVBw-bAGLQ/

Palestine will never be liberated by a racist America.

>>2787218
black american pig-dogs will get the nuke as well

>>2787218
The gaslighting in this video is off the fucking charts.

>>2787218
Liberal-on-liberal violence

Demand Jewish schools that promote Zionism be shut down. This is the real source of Zio power: indoctrinating kids. Arrest all teachers promoting Zionism the way they’d be arrested for promoting Nazism. Mamdani could do this.

>>2787218
black americans are still americans and therefore part of the problem.

>>2787218
>Israel and the Nazis stemmed from the enslavement of Africans in America
Black liberals try to not be the most myopic people in the world challenge (impossible)

Seriously, wtf is wrong with them? They do a similar thing to Zionists where they act like they're the only marginalized people in the world, the only group with a long history of oppression, how every other form of colonialism or discrimination is actually an attack on them specifically, how any attempt to dismantle oppressive systems in general is a distraction from their specific issues, anything that doesn't revolve around them is racist, etc. It's so irritating.

>>2789821
Can you prove her assertion wrong? How was the enslavement of Africans not the greatest oppression in human history?

>>2790014
“Literally every other region went through slavery and oppression. My grandparents went through a major ethnic and religious war. My parents lived through tribal gang fighting. I don’t give a shit that some retarded Americans were dealing with their own little bullshit. No American has ever starved or known what real war looks like

>>2790165
Are you from the Balkans by chance?

>>2779586
Figures that the midwits seething about postmodernism are religgers

>>2790014
Slavery was practiced for literally thousands of years before the transatlantic slave trade began, and similar or greater numbers of people were killed in the British Raj, feudal China, Native American genocide, the Holocaust (which includes Generalplan Ost and the Eastern Front) etc. But even if what she was saying was true, it seems pretty fucked up to declare that being from an ethnic group that suffered the worst persecution in history automatically makes you an authority on all oppression everywhere. Plus the parts about Israel and the Nazis somehow being based on the transatlantic slave trade simply isn't true. I'll grant that the Nuremburg laws drew heavily from Jim Crow, but both Generalplan Ost and Zionism in general draw far more heavily from Manifest Destiny. You also see this sort of shit with the ICE deportations with people calling them "slave catchers". The funny part there is that slave catchers were catching people trying to escape the US and returning them to work, whereas ICE is arresting people who come to the US to work and forcing them to leave. Literally the reverse of a slave catcher lmao. The point is that some Black libs seem to be incapable of looking at oppression of other people and not saying "How can I make this about me?"

>>2790180
Pakistan

>>2790198
But have you considered that anything bad that happens in Pakistan is actually because of racism against Black people in America? This wouldn't have happened if you would just listen to Black women chud.

>>2790203
You know funnily enough I had this argument with an American woman and she randomly brought up the Sheedi people and how they are mistreated in Pakistan as proof that I was racist. The Sheedi are descendants of black slaves brought over when Omani Arabs ruled parts of Pakistan. The Baloch beat the Omani's and the Sheedi remained, they face many of the same challenges as other poor tribal groups here. but black American academics takes a special interest in them because they are black. They are a minority within a minority,and their status while still marked by poverty is actually sometimes better than that of certain other ethnic groups like the Sindhis. But that’s not what she cares about, it’s an example of American chauvinistic imperialism that they refuse to acknowledge

2016 /pol/ rhetoric is now 2026 /leftypol/ rhetoric.

Israel will be destroyed as soon as the American right stops supporting it. We don’t need the left to do more for Palestine, we need the right-wing to join us.

>>2791295
>palestinians aren't a race
I thought this was clipped out of context but it's direct from her channel. how did she even get into this frame? overcompensating for saying some dumb racist shit? the palestinian genocide is occurring across racial lines: how does she not know that palestinians are predominantly arab and bedouin? she is precisely the kind of misinformed moron who should be shut down.

>>2787294
the trans-atlantic slave trade is foundational to the american empire, but the crusades to the middle east started in the 11th century, and the west african slave trade occurred in the 15th century colonialism has a longer and broader history than just the USA.

of course there's a resurgence of kamala supporters now that piker is chasing the zionists and abundance weirdos out of the dems. crakkkerpoints came out of the woodwork to say some dumb shit as well.

what are these bids for attention? making pointless drama is self defeating, and they seem to be forgetting harris's unconditional support for the palestinian genocide cost the dems the election and not palestinians. they're at war with reality, not trump.

>>2791896
How were the Crusades a bigger atrocity than Black slavery? The Crusades were also empire vs empire, not empire vs helpless, stateless people.

>>2791896
The crusades were not “anti-Palestinian violence” the same way slavery was anti-Black violence.

>>2791896
Okay, you’re being just as retarded. Minor nobles from France and Germany, as well as rabble made up of common criminals and peasants, being spurred on by the Orthodox and Catholic religious institutions to fight recently converted Turks and Slavs in the 11th century in centuries long war is not the same as a Zionist foothold in Palestine