Honest question (NOT trolling):
What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?
I’ve seen Palestinian activists say “we need to do more to stop the genocide” more times than I can count. But what should we feasibly be doing that we’re not doing already? Boycotts? Mass protests? Blockading arms sales? Policing your peers’ consumer habits so they’re compliant with BDS? Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPAC and voting them out? We’ve done this already. In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?
I asked this to a comrade of mine and he said: “You know what we mean when we want the left to do more for Palestine.” By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurism do anything? Elias Rodriguez did exactly this and is now facing life in prison for killing two interns who were replaced the next day. What a fucking waste.
The American left is way too weak, disorganized, and incompetent to do anything meaningful to help the Palestinians resist or stop Israel. It’s gotten to the point where people are putting all their hope and faith in the idea Israel will collapse on its own because they’ve run out of strategies. So what should the left be doing that it’s not doing already? Give clear examples.
70 posts and 12 image replies omitted.>>2764046zios should dust off their 2nd passport or suck start a shotgun if they don't have one because israel isn't going to make it to 2030.
No more performative protests but disruptive protests and civil disobedience
>>2763486>Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPACI love how people act like "exposing" people does anything material in itself.
Literally, most of America doesn't care if politicians get AIPAC money or not.
>>2764232Define "disruptove".
>>2763486Protests don't do shit. You need a massive general strike in order to shut everything down. Problem is, the US doesn't have the infrastructure needed to sustain a general strike.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 yearsAdventurism
>>2764238Blocking roads, weapon factories, etc.
>>2764243What infrastructure do you need to stop working?
>>2764281They tried blockading weapons factories.
>>2764620A handful of people. We need hundreds/thousands
The best chance is get some hackers to doxx every Mossad and CIA agent.
LifeSiteNews just called Gaza a genocide.
The only way to liberate Palestine is getting the right on-board. TradCaths should be the ones leading this movement.
>>2764838That takes time
Palestine is suffering right now.
>>2764842damn maybe you should have organized the proles in the imperial core 5 decades ago
oh well second best time to plant a tree is now
>>2764858Yeah it’s going to take decades to create a coherent American left.
Form an international battalion to send to Lebanon and join Hezbollah
I've watched members of the CPUSA dive onto an American flag to smother the flame with their own bodies. Then I watched those same CPUSA members along with the whole alphabet soup of socialist federal‑agent orgs start violently pushing back Maoists and Anarchists, screaming, "NONVIOLENT! YOU'LL ISOLATE THE WORKERS! DON'T TOUCH THE FLAG, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!". Be real brother, the Amerikkkan left would be the first to extinguish the flames and remove the barricades the moment things got serious for Palestine. They'd be shouting, "AGITATORS RIGHT HERE, OFFICER!" In fact, that's exactly how it's played out over the years. People occupied schools, bolted doors shut, masked up, clashed and then the Leftist NGOs showed up to kick the Anarchists and Maoists out and do the feds' counter‑insurgency for them. And you watched the Palestine movement get reduced to another DSA platform as a result, another anti-imperialist struggle that was reduced to bourgeoisie avenues of criticism and protest. This is what these people do. Pretty soon they'll be campaigning for Gavin's presidency, calling us wreckers and unrealistic for critiquing this.
>>2765509>Pretty soon they'll be campaigning for Gavin's presidency, calling us wreckers and unrealistic for critiquing this.Doubtful. A lot of them see Newsom as another Biden. If anything, the American left will be endorsing AOC on the basis she's the only one progressive enough to clean up after Trump.
>>2765536If it comes down to voting Newsom vs waging the necessary class jihad against enemies, most Amerikkkan leftists will vote Newsom and endorse him slightly. If not that means us maoists and other ultras actually won the war within American leftism, and we are simply in the eye of the storm.
>>2765506She's correct. The Palestine protests were never about Palestine, they were about angry people letting out their frustrations on a system that clearly doesn't serve them. "The Palestinians" mean nothing to them.
>>2764723Wait, people still wear underwear?
I think the question here is how would have more militant protests stopped US support for Israel? Did the protest movement work in ending the Vietnam War or would the war have ended regardless of the protest movement?
>>2766106It's really simple, it's not about stopping anything, it's about engaging in an incessant jihad against the imperialist bourgeois state. Activism is not "struggle". If the state attempts to violently thwart what you're doing, that means it's working. If your pathetic leftist organizations are planning logistics with the state, it's not a contribution of struggle, but the negation of said struggle. Overall it's not simply about stopping what goes on in Palestine, but fanning the flames of the incessant jihad. The Leftists in the USA just want to vote, not become an enemy of the bourgeois, so most them are bent on making sure this never happens, and they need to be removed, physically if need be. Violence and force is the language of political power. Have any of you ever read Mao? Marx is useless if you're not going to read the red book or the coming insurrection. If you're going to have parades for Palestine, you'd be better off just sitting home and fucking your waifu pillows. Any actual anti-imperialist demonstration looks like a low-scale war, not a parade. The American left actively attempts to de-mask agitators, and they should be confronted, they are zionist operatives. It's like people forgot historically, anarchists and maoists come for the heads of social democrats too, why, because they need to. Don't believe me go read up on the years of lead italy. Also go look at palestine's early liberation movement, before they could expand their struggle they targeted and removed non-militant Palestinian voices who stood for compromise with the colonial state. They hit more Palestinian collaborators than they did Israelis. Food for thought.
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>>During Italy's "Years of Lead" (roughly 1968-1988), the violent friction between the far-left (like the Maoist-inspired groups and workerist Autonomia) and the institutional left (the Italian Communist Party (PCI) and its allied trade unions) wasn't a matter of abstract ideological squabbling. It was a direct, materialist clash over what a "communist" strategy should be in a modern capitalist state. The far-left saw the PCI not as a vanguard of the proletariat, but as a direct obstacle to revolution—an enemy of the working class that had to be contested
>>When CGIL head Luciano Lama gave a speech at Rome's Sapienza University (which students had occupied), he was met by a furious mob of Autonomia militants. They denounced the union as an "enemy of the working class" and violently chased him out
>> For Autonomia, the PCI and the CGIL occupied the political terrain that the revolution needed. By physically attacking the institutional left, they sought to eliminate the "competition," shatter the illusion that reform worked, and force workers to choose between the false safety of the party or the risk of insurrection
>>the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) directed a significant amount of its violence—and arguably more of its internal security effort—against Palestinians it deemed collaborators, especially after the 1967 occupation, with this trend intensifying during the First Intifada. >>2766655And how do we do any of that without a strong and competent American left?
>>2766200Imagine thinking an American Years of Lead would help Palestine at all.
>>2766655>and make them pay reparations to goyim.How is this reparations program implemented?
Who does the implementing, and who oversees it?
What's the point? Palestine is long over. It ended on October 7th, which was the final Hail Mary of the Palestinian resistance. All I need to know in order to know this is how comrades are all wishing and hoping for Israel to internally collapse on its own, because no amount of fighting by the Palestinian people themselves will bring about their own liberation. On what basis could they win? Iran was their main supplier of arms and Iran is being bombed into submission.
The real question now should be: do you want Palestine to end softly or badly? Because right now it's ending badly. Very badly. Literally all you can hope for is that Israel has a change of heart and becomes less fascist.
>>2764205>zios should dust off their 2nd passport or suck start a shotgun if they don't have one because israel isn't going to make it to 2030.This is precisely what I'm talking about. You dream of Israel collapsing because you know the dream of the Palestinians winning their own liberation is long over.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?What's supposed to be the goal?
>>2767071Destroy Israel, or something.
The left needs to be in total alliance with the resistance. Subjugate your mind and body to the will of the resistance.
>>2767051>bombed into submissionWhat, cause their bridge was destroyed? They're clearly winning
>>2767820Most of their leadership has been clout martyred. The new ayatollah has no legitimacy and the country is basically a military junta at this point. The only way Iran can “win” is if the U.S. and Israel give up because they’re tired of fighting and would rather negotiate.
>>2763486Ger Mamdani to seize all the property and assets of Chabad-Lubavitch. That's it. Chabad is the biggest Jewish supremacist organization in the world and a major reason why Zionism remains intact. Problem is, Ziohran is too much of a coward to do this.
All anti-Zionist New Yorkers should hold a rally against Jewish supremacy in NYC, preferably in Crown Heights, and demand Mamdani go after Chabad and seize ALL their assets.
>>2763486Very simple. You remove the idea of “Jewish” as an ethnicity and designate it as a religion only. That way non-religious “Jews” are no longer protected by hate crime legislation since all of them are basically white. Meaning, Elias wouldn’t be facing hate crime charges and wouldn’t be getting the death penalty.
>>2768955Antisemites attack Jews based on ethnicity, not just religion, idiot.
>>2763486Organise a bunch of strikes across the country, especially in shipping ports and factories critical for weapons deals with Israel. You know, like in Italy?
>>2768977USA lacks the infrastructure to sustain a general strike.
Do the Palestinians have any revolutionary goals or is their goal merely survival at this point?
>>2769058Survival is an act of resistance.
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