Honest question (NOT trolling):
What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?
I’ve seen Palestinian activists say “we need to do more to stop the genocide” more times than I can count. But what should we feasibly be doing that we’re not doing already? Boycotts? Mass protests? Blockading arms sales? Policing your peers’ consumer habits so they’re compliant with BDS? Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPAC and voting them out? We’ve done this already. In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?
I asked this to a comrade of mine and he said: “You know what we mean when we want the left to do more for Palestine.” By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurism do anything? Elias Rodriguez did exactly this and is now facing life in prison for killing two interns who were replaced the next day. What a fucking waste.
The American left is way too weak, disorganized, and incompetent to do anything meaningful to help the Palestinians resist or stop Israel. It’s gotten to the point where people are putting all their hope and faith in the idea Israel will collapse on its own because they’ve run out of strategies. So what should the left be doing that it’s not doing already? Give clear examples.
137 posts and 19 image replies omitted.Promote absolute truth.
The Zio hates absolute truth. Think about it. Why did postmodernism emerge in the West around the time “Israel” started becoming more powerful? Postmodernism forced Marxism out of the academy and brainwashed millions of western leftists.
Judaism is also allergic to absolute truth. Meanwhile, Christianity’s entire foundation is absolute truth. Return to Christ and watch the Zio seethe.
Leave your country and invest your capital and labor elsewhere
>>2779586absolute truth is real and has nothing to do with christ or any other superstitious anti-materialist brainrot
>>2780516Doesn’t change what I said. Zios promote postmodernism because they want every truth to be relative.
>>2780750do you unironically think ppl should "return to christ"?
>>2763776As a transwoman I rely on Teva for my hormones. No thanks.
>>2781856probably a false flag but i hope you die
>>2781854its a yes or no question, answer it or your scared
The best way the left can help Palestine is by giving money DIRECTLY to Palestinians in Gaza. No more organizations claiming to sisal for Palestinians. No more influencers and activist celebrities. Give money directly to families in Gaza so they can continue to survive.
sabotage of crucial weapons/explosives factories, or even peaceful blockade of those can certainly put some sand in the machine
>>2782926money is useless if they dont even have access to basic infrastructure and theres not enough food entering
>>2781856research more about hrt before you bait next time
>Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?
This must be a fedpost. Nobody actually states the specific crimes they are doing, just like how failtrolls use the euphemism "christpilled content" to refer to the shit that they spam (cp, zooshit, etc.)
The key factor is US support. If you can cut that off then Israel is fucked and you'll start seeing way more regional pressure to the point that the country will likely stop existing entirely and lead to a mass exodus of Israelis to Europe and the US. Then Palestinians will be free again.
I think we're actually headed in that direction given how unpopular Israel is in the US now. Israel started the war with Iran which is now economically impacting Americans due to oil prices. The Israel lobby might be powerful but politicians will be forced to adapt to the new paradigm or get voted out of office. Eventually there will be a tipping point and things might get ugly - depending on who is in power at the time and who most effectively weaponizes anti-Israel sentiment it could get VERY ugly.
>>2782964yeah anti zionist agitation, talking to your coworker and relatives can eventually do a lot of good in the current context. Its not as good as organizing, but the communist movement also need a ton of sympathizer not that active
>>2782964What does “cutting off support” actually mean? Electing politicians who don’t support Israel?
>>2782964>and lead to a mass exodus of Israelis to Europe and the US.Why does this need to happen? You are talking about millions of people.
>>2782973It’s not about whether or not it actually happens. Supporting forced deportation or praying 7 million Jews will flee is a test of values. No one really believes Israelis will leave, they just present this situation as a litmus test to see how loyal you are to Palestinian nationalism.
>>2782973if some fucking isteali moves into my neighborhood im throwing a bricks through their windows until they leave
We need to ask ourselves: What does a “victory” for Palestine actually look like? No one can adequately answer this question.
>>2765509>I've watched members of the CPUSAIt's funny how people on this site, such as yourself, obsess over the CPUSA, an irrelevant fossil barely clinging to life.
>>2783008Because no one believes they can actually do anything for Palestine, and that's not the point. "Palestine" is about weeding out people based on their values. "If someone doesn't support killing every single person with Israeli citizenship they are NOT a true comrade, remove them from the left immediately" – that's what I mean.
>>2783130>If someone doesn't support killing every single person with Israeli citizenship they are NOT a true comrade, remove them from the left immediately"who said this? when?
>>2763552most zionists are evangelical christians though. there's only 16 million jews on the entire planet, and even if 100% of them were zionists, that's still a tiny fraction of zionists total. the usa has 340 million people and most of them are AT LEAST liberal zionists
>>2783175
dont see you bombing anything
>>2783175
You mean like you?
Seriously, the left should be doing everything in it's power to be serious about SEIZING ACTUAL POWER, this means playing the political game, moderating policies, listening to the public, and getting leftist anti-zionist reps into power that then hold a massive fucking public enquiry into the Israel lobby, out the Israeli fifth column and arrest and try anybody that went over to Israel to help settlers, IDF etc.
The problem is Leftists REFUSE to actually have a wing of professional leftists who job is to play the electoral game in a very serious manner who's entire job is to try fuck up any attempts by Liberals to support shit like Israel, or Austerity etc. The closest you get are like, Green parties and the like, but they become bogged down in idpol and tumblr bullshit and making Childish anarkiddie demands that would never, ever come about in a Liberal order. The job of Leftist parties in a social democratic order should purely be wrecking and stonewalling any attempt of Liberals to support shit like Israel, Palantir, Austerity etc.
At the moment? What can you do? Read DIASPORA BOY
https://libgen.la/edition.php?id=142440174This is the single best introductory book on absolutely assraping Zionists. Read the book, and just start debating Zionists on their own theory, bring up Negation of the Diaspora and get them to defend it every time you see a Zionist. Zionists love hiding behind bullshit, so you have to drag their positions into the open, so EVERYONE can see what they actually believe.
The problem with the left in regards to Zionism (and a lot of Econ) is they don't read, they just repeat talking points that Zionists are WELL prepared for, attacking Zionists on theory and showing you know more about Zionism than them, is when they panic. I've never, ever lost a debate with Zionists and it's because it's pretty easy to debunk them.
>>2783163It's hyperbole but you see rhetoric like it in every leftist circle since October 7th.
>>2783205>Seriously, the left should be doing everything in it's power to be serious about SEIZING ACTUAL POWER, this means playing the political game, moderating policies, listening to the public, and getting leftist anti-zionist reps into power that then hold a massive fucking public enquiry into the Israel lobby, out the Israeli fifth column and arrest and try anybody that went over to Israel to help settlers, IDF etc.Okay, how do we seize power?
>>2783168>most of them are AT LEAST liberal zionistsLiberal Zionist AKA two-state solution is the default position. Most people don't care enough about Palestinians to hold any other views.
>>2783228Why are so many of you here.
I love how the go-to answer is always:
>SHUT THE COUNTRY DOWN
And yet no instruction or elaboration on how to do that is ever given.
C'mon guys, if you want a general strike you need to get off the internet and organize one.
>>2783229Like I said, one wing of the left should be dedicated to seriously playing the game of intitutional politics, be moderate on social issues, have somewhat believable normie economic policies, actually care about what normies demands are rather than Tumblr/Tik tok vibes etc.
People that genuinely can be elected-enmass to make up at least 20% of Parliaments/lower houses etc and the job of these people isn't really to bring about Socialism, it's to wreck and root out any attempts at Anti-Communism, Pro-Zionism, Anti-Worker positions. They're not there to push rainbow mafia shit, to push leftists wishlists, they are there to specifically leverage the Establishment as it exists.
Think of them as a Communist fifth column, they are not openly Socialist/Communist, they exist purely to act against Establishment interests within the system.
Basically we do the same thing to the Establishment as they do to us, have people go in there, and wreck.
>>2763486blockades and permanent protests around military logistics routs and institutions.
chain yourself to the rail.
>>2783311Not enough activists will do that.
>>2783311even a US soldier self-immolating got next to no press.
Give a schizo flag-item and send them loose at AIPAC annual meeting or just an Israeli embassy.
>>2763486Couldnt care less. Nothing to do with socialism.
>>2783797How would that do anything to stop Israel?
I love how everyone ITT thinks Israelis are stupid and there isn't an Israeli guy watching this discussion taking note of everything we're saying (unless leftypol is blocked in Israel, which it's not).
Just reminding everyone that trying to criminalize AIPAC (or at the very least, get it registered as a foreign agency) will do nothing if Citizens United isn't overturned. AIPAC will just splinter off into multiple little PACs that will continue giving $$$ to pro-Israel candidates.
Leftists should stop focusing on Palestine and focus on Black issues instead.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXVBw-bAGLQ/Palestine will never be liberated by a racist America.
>>2787218black american pig-dogs will get the nuke as well
>>2787218The gaslighting in this video is off the fucking charts.
>>2787218Liberal-on-liberal violence
The Palestine Movement failed because it was a woke-driven movement.
If it had been a movement driven by proles in the red states it would have succeeded. Imagine if farmers in Iowa and Nebraska said they weren't going to work and let their massive amounts of crops go to waste until the genocide ended. Or if car manufacturers and truck drivers went on strike specifically for Palestine.
The Palestine Movement was way too concentrated in super liberal cities when it should have been concentrated in the American heartland and the South.
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