Honest question (NOT trolling):
What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?
I’ve seen Palestinian activists say “we need to do more to stop the genocide” more times than I can count. But what should we feasibly be doing that we’re not doing already? Boycotts? Mass protests? Blockading arms sales? Policing your peers’ consumer habits so they’re compliant with BDS? Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPAC and voting them out? We’ve done this already. In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?
I asked this to a comrade of mine and he said: “You know what we mean when we want the left to do more for Palestine.” By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurism do anything? Elias Rodriguez did exactly this and is now facing life in prison for killing two interns who were replaced the next day. What a fucking waste.
The American left is way too weak, disorganized, and incompetent to do anything meaningful to help the Palestinians resist or stop Israel. It’s gotten to the point where people are putting all their hope and faith in the idea Israel will collapse on its own because they’ve run out of strategies. So what should the left be doing that it’s not doing already? Give clear examples.
>>2763486>the silence of bystandersFucking attention whores writing coffee mom quotes
its all that's being talked about in political discourse nowadays
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?Use a nuke on them
>>2763497How can the western left do that? You know anyone who could get their hands on a nuclear weapon? Good luck.
>>2763500The western left and the western right are the same bourgeois entity killing them right now, they should get to using nukes already, they have them. Both wings of capital. Get the crisis done through so we can move on to collapse already. There's only way out - through and through.
>>2763502I am for total escalation on everything, this slowburn is making it worse for everyone. We need dynamic global death and destruction, not concentrated regional skirmishes, barrages, and shit flinging bombings. We need ATGACTTATCCACGGTACATTCAGT like Land said, ATGACTTATCCACGGTACATTCAGT.
Bring on the ATGACTTATCCACGGTACATTCAGT
bioweapons
>>2763502>>2763507Okay. I can tell you’re not serious.
>>2763511I am serious, you fucking libtards are responsible for all of this slow suffering, end it out of its misery already, all you DSA fucking cucks and succdem shits
>>2763513How is the American left supposed to “nuke Israel” according to you?
>>2763515The "american left" is the left wing of capital, the apologetic face for the right wing of capital, they're both part of the same entity - the bourgeois U.S.A.
both have the nukes
>>2763518And I'm not saying "nuke Israel" - they should nuke Palestine and get it over with
>>2763518The Democrats will never use nukes in the 21st century.
Americans libtards cannot solve the problems their libtard nation did, they can only add fuel to the fire, if you want a "coup" in America right now they will only replace one bourgeois government with another
>>2763522Obama didn't have a problem doing drone strikes on weddings, the dems in charge will have the same zionist agenda as the republicans, so the only thing left would be for the bourgeois nation to use nukes for its zionist agenda, there is only one reason they aren't doing it - because it would be used on zionist territory and they would rather not irradiate it
The only feasible strategy is to ban AIPAC. Once that happens Zionism has no more ideological support and will crumble on its own.
>>2763526They can try nuking Iran still
that would be great because Iran will actually fire all of its missiles at the EUroreich and shit
>>2763526On what basis would a Democrat nuke Israel?
>>2763528The US government can’t even ban the Klan or neo-Nazi groups. You’d need to pull a lot of legal strings to ban AIPAC. It’s also why Palestine solidarity groups are able to still exist: they use freedom of speech to their advantage.
>>2763532>On what basis would a Democrat nuke Israel? We're talking about Palestine not Israel. They should and would nuke Palestine if it didn't cause irradiation. So now they resort to this slow prolonged destruction just to manually kill them off so they can use the land.
>>2763536There will be some who suggest adventurist violence against AIPAC offices, as if that would do anything to change policy. Anyone advocating a Weathermen/SLA redux is fucking retarded.
Never save a religious minority being killed somewhere.
In fact never bother to help religgers.
killing kaiks on sight
>>2763549HOLY SHIT
THE CHUDS COPIED FROM CHINA
THEY COPIED CYNICAL REALISM TO MAKE THEIR FROG LAUGHING
IT WAS CYNICAL REALISM ALL THIS TIME
Fun fact: Most of the weapons the Zionists rely on to carry out their genocide of Palestine are made at single source contractors. Destroying one single factory would cause irreparable and irrecoverable damage to the Zionist war machine.
It's telling that the American "left", who treats Clausewitz like a vampire treats garlic, can't think of any better ideas than assassinating two Israeli interns. Violence must be planned, principled and judicious, not random and meaningless.
>>2763552So, adventurism? How did that work out for Elias Rodriguez?
>>2763561>destroyingYou’re advocating leftists do that with bombs, right? How is that not adventurism?
theyre just feds telling people to commit mass shootings
revolution
shove your activism and protests up your ass MLibs
>>2763591I’m not going to fedjacket, but I’m skeptical if anyone who urges using guns and bombs to commit acts of violence when we don’t have a solid left in America. Violence only works when you have a large enough basis of consistent and dedicated support. Why did the Narodniks fail? Why did the Red Brigades and RAF fail? Why did the Greek anarchists fail?
>>2763578i'm thinking more along the lines of a political movement that makes that one of its policies
i don't know if something like that has ever been tried
>>2763486>In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?The thing is, Trump doesn’t care if a bunch of pink-haired grad students in keffiyehs or hippie boomer grandmothers are out protesting against his foreign policy.
What Trump DOES care about is if his supporters start turning on him.
The way to help Palestine is to get all the Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens/Nick Fuentes fans to mass protest against Israel and Zionism. That’s the only way Trump will care. Get military families to protest against the illegal Iran war.
there is nothing anyone can do to help palestine, the united states is a military superpower with no equal and its military interventions are not governed by democracy, they are carried out completely independently of the will of the american public and the defense industry has invested trillions of dollars into the american military industrial complex and there is no force on the earth great enough to make any meaningful difference in this matter.
>>2763619What makes you think Trump cares? He does whatever he wants regardless of public perception.
>>2763623A strong American leftist party could stop arms sales and sanction Israel until they collapse and become Palestine again. Hell, it could even help arm Hamas. But we’re nowhere close to that.
>>2763652that worked back in the 1970s when it was possible for a nationwide leftist countercultural protest movement to form, but now we live in an era of mass surveillance and information warfare and everyone being isolated in their own discrete curated realities by digital media, everyone is completely disenfranchised and and constrained by the system unless they choose to unplug themselves completely from the digital world and quit their jobs and give up all their modern comforts and become unemployed homeless outcasts which of course most people will never do.
>>2763672I’d add to this and say that what worked in protesting against the Vietnam War is not going to work for Palestine. It’s not like US soldiers were being sent en masse to Gaza and returning in body bags. All you can do to make people care about Palestine is appeal to moralism.
Wasn’t exposing the Epstein files supposed to be step one in ending US support for Israel?
>>2763708Even if it was proven Epstein was a Mossad agent, what’s the next logical step? “Expose the bad guys” means nothing.
>>2763652From the 1970s till now the average American has become a lot more right wing. The average worker has much more sympathies for the right than the left nowadays. That's Part Zero right there.
blockading israeli civilian businesses like teva, moroccan oil, zara, monday, etc. etc. it's all well and good targeting explicitly evil companies like elbit but all these companies contribute to their war economy.
teva is particularly vulnerable because if they can't fulfill their contracts there are many countries have legal carveouts to release the patents or synthesize the drugs without them.
>>2763589why are you posting about bombs? palestine action destroyed a factory by punching a star picket through the roof of their clean room.
>>2763777That’s still adventurism and will do nothing to end support for Israel.
>>2763776We’ve been boycotting those businesses for years and there haven’t been results.
>>2763776By blockade, do you mean bum rush a Zara store?
>>2763776When was the last time a campaign against a giant corporation actually worked? People have been boycotting Nestlé for decades and it still controls like half our food.
>>2763837Sure, just admit you want comrades to violently attack Zara stores and anyone using Teva products.
Because it’s not like Elias Rodriguez is facing the death penalty or anything. Because it’s not like the Weathermen are now considered laughing stocks by how much they failed or anything.
>>2763496I think a lot of people in more stable countries just aren't sufficiently jaded and cynical like why would anyone with even a passing knowledge of history and the news actually expect a bunch of bystanders to not be silent. They're terrible at managing their expectations and somehow have gone through life blissfully unaware that millions of people die unjustly and horrifically all the time. This leads me to believe this sort of attitude must be younger people from countries with low levels of violence who are just now learning about politics and history in general and probably have pretty lib notions of morals and ideals being what motivates people and not material interest.
>>2763842I said "blockade" bro. you can non-violently disrupt the operation of a business. try being a little more subtle avraham.
>>2763851Yeah, you want us to bumrush a Zara store. Okay.
>>2763853if that's what you wanna do go ham. you might struggle to find one. the "ineffective consumer boycotts" have them closing retail worldwide. you might struggle to bumrush e-commerce.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/12/23/zaras-parent-company-inditex-store-closures-2025/87896138007/ >>2763860People have been boycotting Zara and other fast fashion joints for a while. How does this stop genocide?
leftypol son who complains and never did praxis or tiktokker daughter who thinks that flooding comments will save palestine
>>2763866>how does breaking the israeli economy stop genocide?mystery to me
also, avi. you're getting obsessed with zara, not pharma or tech. tech like WeCU Technologies. you need to be more subtle. WeCU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeCU_Technologies >>2763879So how do we effectively target these tech companies so that the genocide in Palestine stops?
>>2763886the same as any other company.
>>2763887putting a thin veneer of tech over medieval witchfinding is fucking depraved ay?
I think Israel's out of runway. the news is ridiculous: stories like trying to buy the greek islands or ministers wearing noose lapel pins to pass a law to execute palestinian prisoners.
any day now the mk's will take their clothes off, shit on the floor and start fucking in their own manure. the depravity will escalate until it's over. it's the last days of the roman empire, pier passolini's salo.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestinesend material support to hamas. outside that makes you think they need your help? Kinda chauvinist isnt it?
>that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longeroh so nothing? how about helping yourself? how about taking control of your own government?
>By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurismis political violence necessarily individualist? why do you assume that instead of collective action?
>too weak, disorganized, and incompetentso they arent strong enought to help others? then why presume they should or would? why isnt your principle impulse to make it stronger, more organized and competent instead of externalizing your actions to others who actually are doing something?
>>2763886destroy powerlines with skilsaw-laden rc drones, disrupt mobile networks with homemade RF jammers
>>2763887>>2763898How do we effectively fight against this company?
>>2763913>send material support to hamasHow many Americans are willing to get their names put on a fed list?
>is political violence necessarily individualist? why do you assume that instead of collective action?What kinds of collective actions are you hinting at?
Heh, you just know Zionists are going to be reading this thread to understand our future tactics. At least OP is right that way too many people want to advocate violence.
>>2764043>What kinds of collective actions are you hinting at?communist revolution
>>2763486Destabilize everything. Make Zios afraid to go to work.
>>2764046zios should dust off their 2nd passport or suck start a shotgun if they don't have one because israel isn't going to make it to 2030.
No more performative protests but disruptive protests and civil disobedience
>>2763486>Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPACI love how people act like "exposing" people does anything material in itself.
Literally, most of America doesn't care if politicians get AIPAC money or not.
>>2764232Define "disruptove".
>>2763486Protests don't do shit. You need a massive general strike in order to shut everything down. Problem is, the US doesn't have the infrastructure needed to sustain a general strike.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 yearsAdventurism
>>2764238Blocking roads, weapon factories, etc.
>>2764243What infrastructure do you need to stop working?
>>2764281They tried blockading weapons factories.
>>2764620A handful of people. We need hundreds/thousands
The best chance is get some hackers to doxx every Mossad and CIA agent.
LifeSiteNews just called Gaza a genocide.
The only way to liberate Palestine is getting the right on-board. TradCaths should be the ones leading this movement.
>>2764838That takes time
Palestine is suffering right now.
>>2764842damn maybe you should have organized the proles in the imperial core 5 decades ago
oh well second best time to plant a tree is now
>>2764858Yeah it’s going to take decades to create a coherent American left.
>>2763486Ultimately, the Western left aren't responsible for the failures of the middle-eastern bourgeosie, failures such as not engaging in industrialization, not being able to engage in primitive accumulation and to organize under the same flag, to develop technology, etc. that result in being victims of a "bigger fish", in this case, Israel.
Form an international battalion to send to Lebanon and join Hezbollah
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