Honest question (NOT trolling):
What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?
I’ve seen Palestinian activists say “we need to do more to stop the genocide” more times than I can count. But what should we feasibly be doing that we’re not doing already? Boycotts? Mass protests? Blockading arms sales? Policing your peers’ consumer habits so they’re compliant with BDS? Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPAC and voting them out? We’ve done this already. In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?
I asked this to a comrade of mine and he said: “You know what we mean when we want the left to do more for Palestine.” By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurism do anything? Elias Rodriguez did exactly this and is now facing life in prison for killing two interns who were replaced the next day. What a fucking waste.
The American left is way too weak, disorganized, and incompetent to do anything meaningful to help the Palestinians resist or stop Israel. It’s gotten to the point where people are putting all their hope and faith in the idea Israel will collapse on its own because they’ve run out of strategies. So what should the left be doing that it’s not doing already? Give clear examples.
>>2763486>the silence of bystandersFucking attention whores writing coffee mom quotes
its all that's being talked about in political discourse nowadays
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?Use a nuke on them
>>2763497How can the western left do that? You know anyone who could get their hands on a nuclear weapon? Good luck.
>>2763500The western left and the western right are the same bourgeois entity killing them right now, they should get to using nukes already, they have them. Both wings of capital. Get the crisis done through so we can move on to collapse already. There's only way out - through and through.
>>2763502I am for total escalation on everything, this slowburn is making it worse for everyone. We need dynamic global death and destruction, not concentrated regional skirmishes, barrages, and shit flinging bombings. We need ATGACTTATCCACGGTACATTCAGT like Land said, ATGACTTATCCACGGTACATTCAGT.
Bring on the ATGACTTATCCACGGTACATTCAGT
bioweapons
>>2763502>>2763507Okay. I can tell you’re not serious.
>>2763511I am serious, you fucking libtards are responsible for all of this slow suffering, end it out of its misery already, all you DSA fucking cucks and succdem shits
>>2763513How is the American left supposed to “nuke Israel” according to you?
>>2763515The "american left" is the left wing of capital, the apologetic face for the right wing of capital, they're both part of the same entity - the bourgeois U.S.A.
both have the nukes
>>2763518And I'm not saying "nuke Israel" - they should nuke Palestine and get it over with
>>2763518The Democrats will never use nukes in the 21st century.
Americans libtards cannot solve the problems their libtard nation did, they can only add fuel to the fire, if you want a "coup" in America right now they will only replace one bourgeois government with another
>>2763522Obama didn't have a problem doing drone strikes on weddings, the dems in charge will have the same zionist agenda as the republicans, so the only thing left would be for the bourgeois nation to use nukes for its zionist agenda, there is only one reason they aren't doing it - because it would be used on zionist territory and they would rather not irradiate it
The only feasible strategy is to ban AIPAC. Once that happens Zionism has no more ideological support and will crumble on its own.
>>2763526They can try nuking Iran still
that would be great because Iran will actually fire all of its missiles at the EUroreich and shit
>>2763526On what basis would a Democrat nuke Israel?
>>2763528The US government can’t even ban the Klan or neo-Nazi groups. You’d need to pull a lot of legal strings to ban AIPAC. It’s also why Palestine solidarity groups are able to still exist: they use freedom of speech to their advantage.
>>2763532>On what basis would a Democrat nuke Israel? We're talking about Palestine not Israel. They should and would nuke Palestine if it didn't cause irradiation. So now they resort to this slow prolonged destruction just to manually kill them off so they can use the land.
>>2763536There will be some who suggest adventurist violence against AIPAC offices, as if that would do anything to change policy. Anyone advocating a Weathermen/SLA redux is fucking retarded.
Never save a religious minority being killed somewhere.
In fact never bother to help religgers.
killing kaiks on sight
>>2763549HOLY SHIT
THE CHUDS COPIED FROM CHINA
THEY COPIED CYNICAL REALISM TO MAKE THEIR FROG LAUGHING
IT WAS CYNICAL REALISM ALL THIS TIME
Fun fact: Most of the weapons the Zionists rely on to carry out their genocide of Palestine are made at single source contractors. Destroying one single factory would cause irreparable and irrecoverable damage to the Zionist war machine.
It's telling that the American "left", who treats Clausewitz like a vampire treats garlic, can't think of any better ideas than assassinating two Israeli interns. Violence must be planned, principled and judicious, not random and meaningless.
>>2763552So, adventurism? How did that work out for Elias Rodriguez?
>>2763561>destroyingYou’re advocating leftists do that with bombs, right? How is that not adventurism?
theyre just feds telling people to commit mass shootings
revolution
shove your activism and protests up your ass MLibs
>>2763591I’m not going to fedjacket, but I’m skeptical if anyone who urges using guns and bombs to commit acts of violence when we don’t have a solid left in America. Violence only works when you have a large enough basis of consistent and dedicated support. Why did the Narodniks fail? Why did the Red Brigades and RAF fail? Why did the Greek anarchists fail?
>>2763578i'm thinking more along the lines of a political movement that makes that one of its policies
i don't know if something like that has ever been tried
>>2763486>In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?The thing is, Trump doesn’t care if a bunch of pink-haired grad students in keffiyehs or hippie boomer grandmothers are out protesting against his foreign policy.
What Trump DOES care about is if his supporters start turning on him.
The way to help Palestine is to get all the Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens/Nick Fuentes fans to mass protest against Israel and Zionism. That’s the only way Trump will care. Get military families to protest against the illegal Iran war.
there is nothing anyone can do to help palestine, the united states is a military superpower with no equal and its military interventions are not governed by democracy, they are carried out completely independently of the will of the american public and the defense industry has invested trillions of dollars into the american military industrial complex and there is no force on the earth great enough to make any meaningful difference in this matter.
>>2763619What makes you think Trump cares? He does whatever he wants regardless of public perception.
>>2763623A strong American leftist party could stop arms sales and sanction Israel until they collapse and become Palestine again. Hell, it could even help arm Hamas. But we’re nowhere close to that.
>>2763652that worked back in the 1970s when it was possible for a nationwide leftist countercultural protest movement to form, but now we live in an era of mass surveillance and information warfare and everyone being isolated in their own discrete curated realities by digital media, everyone is completely disenfranchised and and constrained by the system unless they choose to unplug themselves completely from the digital world and quit their jobs and give up all their modern comforts and become unemployed homeless outcasts which of course most people will never do.
>>2763672I’d add to this and say that what worked in protesting against the Vietnam War is not going to work for Palestine. It’s not like US soldiers were being sent en masse to Gaza and returning in body bags. All you can do to make people care about Palestine is appeal to moralism.
Wasn’t exposing the Epstein files supposed to be step one in ending US support for Israel?
>>2763708Even if it was proven Epstein was a Mossad agent, what’s the next logical step? “Expose the bad guys” means nothing.
>>2763652From the 1970s till now the average American has become a lot more right wing. The average worker has much more sympathies for the right than the left nowadays. That's Part Zero right there.
blockading israeli civilian businesses like teva, moroccan oil, zara, monday, etc. etc. it's all well and good targeting explicitly evil companies like elbit but all these companies contribute to their war economy.
teva is particularly vulnerable because if they can't fulfill their contracts there are many countries have legal carveouts to release the patents or synthesize the drugs without them.
>>2763589why are you posting about bombs? palestine action destroyed a factory by punching a star picket through the roof of their clean room.
>>2763777That’s still adventurism and will do nothing to end support for Israel.
>>2763776We’ve been boycotting those businesses for years and there haven’t been results.
>>2763776By blockade, do you mean bum rush a Zara store?
>>2763776When was the last time a campaign against a giant corporation actually worked? People have been boycotting Nestlé for decades and it still controls like half our food.
>>2763837Sure, just admit you want comrades to violently attack Zara stores and anyone using Teva products.
Because it’s not like Elias Rodriguez is facing the death penalty or anything. Because it’s not like the Weathermen are now considered laughing stocks by how much they failed or anything.
>>2763496I think a lot of people in more stable countries just aren't sufficiently jaded and cynical like why would anyone with even a passing knowledge of history and the news actually expect a bunch of bystanders to not be silent. They're terrible at managing their expectations and somehow have gone through life blissfully unaware that millions of people die unjustly and horrifically all the time. This leads me to believe this sort of attitude must be younger people from countries with low levels of violence who are just now learning about politics and history in general and probably have pretty lib notions of morals and ideals being what motivates people and not material interest.
>>2763842I said "blockade" bro. you can non-violently disrupt the operation of a business. try being a little more subtle avraham.
>>2763851Yeah, you want us to bumrush a Zara store. Okay.
>>2763853if that's what you wanna do go ham. you might struggle to find one. the "ineffective consumer boycotts" have them closing retail worldwide. you might struggle to bumrush e-commerce.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/12/23/zaras-parent-company-inditex-store-closures-2025/87896138007/ >>2763860People have been boycotting Zara and other fast fashion joints for a while. How does this stop genocide?
leftypol son who complains and never did praxis or tiktokker daughter who thinks that flooding comments will save palestine
>>2763866>how does breaking the israeli economy stop genocide?mystery to me
also, avi. you're getting obsessed with zara, not pharma or tech. tech like WeCU Technologies. you need to be more subtle. WeCU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeCU_Technologies >>2763879So how do we effectively target these tech companies so that the genocide in Palestine stops?
>>2763886the same as any other company.
>>2763887putting a thin veneer of tech over medieval witchfinding is fucking depraved ay?
I think Israel's out of runway. the news is ridiculous: stories like trying to buy the greek islands or ministers wearing noose lapel pins to pass a law to execute palestinian prisoners.
any day now the mk's will take their clothes off, shit on the floor and start fucking in their own manure. the depravity will escalate until it's over. it's the last days of the roman empire, pier passolini's salo.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestinesend material support to hamas. outside that makes you think they need your help? Kinda chauvinist isnt it?
>that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longeroh so nothing? how about helping yourself? how about taking control of your own government?
>By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurismis political violence necessarily individualist? why do you assume that instead of collective action?
>too weak, disorganized, and incompetentso they arent strong enought to help others? then why presume they should or would? why isnt your principle impulse to make it stronger, more organized and competent instead of externalizing your actions to others who actually are doing something?
>>2763886destroy powerlines with skilsaw-laden rc drones, disrupt mobile networks with homemade RF jammers
>>2763887>>2763898How do we effectively fight against this company?
>>2763913>send material support to hamasHow many Americans are willing to get their names put on a fed list?
>is political violence necessarily individualist? why do you assume that instead of collective action?What kinds of collective actions are you hinting at?
Heh, you just know Zionists are going to be reading this thread to understand our future tactics. At least OP is right that way too many people want to advocate violence.
>>2764043>What kinds of collective actions are you hinting at?communist revolution
>>2763486Destabilize everything. Make Zios afraid to go to work.
>>2764046zios should dust off their 2nd passport or suck start a shotgun if they don't have one because israel isn't going to make it to 2030.
No more performative protests but disruptive protests and civil disobedience
>>2763486>Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPACI love how people act like "exposing" people does anything material in itself.
Literally, most of America doesn't care if politicians get AIPAC money or not.
>>2764232Define "disruptove".
>>2763486Protests don't do shit. You need a massive general strike in order to shut everything down. Problem is, the US doesn't have the infrastructure needed to sustain a general strike.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 yearsAdventurism
>>2764238Blocking roads, weapon factories, etc.
>>2764243What infrastructure do you need to stop working?
>>2764281They tried blockading weapons factories.
>>2764620A handful of people. We need hundreds/thousands
The best chance is get some hackers to doxx every Mossad and CIA agent.
LifeSiteNews just called Gaza a genocide.
The only way to liberate Palestine is getting the right on-board. TradCaths should be the ones leading this movement.
>>2764838That takes time
Palestine is suffering right now.
>>2764842damn maybe you should have organized the proles in the imperial core 5 decades ago
oh well second best time to plant a tree is now
>>2764858Yeah it’s going to take decades to create a coherent American left.
Form an international battalion to send to Lebanon and join Hezbollah
I've watched members of the CPUSA dive onto an American flag to smother the flame with their own bodies. Then I watched those same CPUSA members along with the whole alphabet soup of socialist federal‑agent orgs start violently pushing back Maoists and Anarchists, screaming, "NONVIOLENT! YOU'LL ISOLATE THE WORKERS! DON'T TOUCH THE FLAG, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!". Be real brother, the Amerikkkan left would be the first to extinguish the flames and remove the barricades the moment things got serious for Palestine. They'd be shouting, "AGITATORS RIGHT HERE, OFFICER!" In fact, that's exactly how it's played out over the years. People occupied schools, bolted doors shut, masked up, clashed and then the Leftist NGOs showed up to kick the Anarchists and Maoists out and do the feds' counter‑insurgency for them. And you watched the Palestine movement get reduced to another DSA platform as a result, another anti-imperialist struggle that was reduced to bourgeoisie avenues of criticism and protest. This is what these people do. Pretty soon they'll be campaigning for Gavin's presidency, calling us wreckers and unrealistic for critiquing this.
>>2765509>Pretty soon they'll be campaigning for Gavin's presidency, calling us wreckers and unrealistic for critiquing this.Doubtful. A lot of them see Newsom as another Biden. If anything, the American left will be endorsing AOC on the basis she's the only one progressive enough to clean up after Trump.
>>2765536If it comes down to voting Newsom vs waging the necessary class jihad against enemies, most Amerikkkan leftists will vote Newsom and endorse him slightly. If not that means us maoists and other ultras actually won the war within American leftism, and we are simply in the eye of the storm.
>>2765506She's correct. The Palestine protests were never about Palestine, they were about angry people letting out their frustrations on a system that clearly doesn't serve them. "The Palestinians" mean nothing to them.
>>2764723Wait, people still wear underwear?
I think the question here is how would have more militant protests stopped US support for Israel? Did the protest movement work in ending the Vietnam War or would the war have ended regardless of the protest movement?
>>2766106It's really simple, it's not about stopping anything, it's about engaging in an incessant jihad against the imperialist bourgeois state. Activism is not "struggle". If the state attempts to violently thwart what you're doing, that means it's working. If your pathetic leftist organizations are planning logistics with the state, it's not a contribution of struggle, but the negation of said struggle. Overall it's not simply about stopping what goes on in Palestine, but fanning the flames of the incessant jihad. The Leftists in the USA just want to vote, not become an enemy of the bourgeois, so most them are bent on making sure this never happens, and they need to be removed, physically if need be. Violence and force is the language of political power. Have any of you ever read Mao? Marx is useless if you're not going to read the red book or the coming insurrection. If you're going to have parades for Palestine, you'd be better off just sitting home and fucking your waifu pillows. Any actual anti-imperialist demonstration looks like a low-scale war, not a parade. The American left actively attempts to de-mask agitators, and they should be confronted, they are zionist operatives. It's like people forgot historically, anarchists and maoists come for the heads of social democrats too, why, because they need to. Don't believe me go read up on the years of lead italy. Also go look at palestine's early liberation movement, before they could expand their struggle they targeted and removed non-militant Palestinian voices who stood for compromise with the colonial state. They hit more Palestinian collaborators than they did Israelis. Food for thought.
>>2766197
>>During Italy's "Years of Lead" (roughly 1968-1988), the violent friction between the far-left (like the Maoist-inspired groups and workerist Autonomia) and the institutional left (the Italian Communist Party (PCI) and its allied trade unions) wasn't a matter of abstract ideological squabbling. It was a direct, materialist clash over what a "communist" strategy should be in a modern capitalist state. The far-left saw the PCI not as a vanguard of the proletariat, but as a direct obstacle to revolution—an enemy of the working class that had to be contested
>>When CGIL head Luciano Lama gave a speech at Rome's Sapienza University (which students had occupied), he was met by a furious mob of Autonomia militants. They denounced the union as an "enemy of the working class" and violently chased him out
>> For Autonomia, the PCI and the CGIL occupied the political terrain that the revolution needed. By physically attacking the institutional left, they sought to eliminate the "competition," shatter the illusion that reform worked, and force workers to choose between the false safety of the party or the risk of insurrection
>>the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) directed a significant amount of its violence—and arguably more of its internal security effort—against Palestinians it deemed collaborators, especially after the 1967 occupation, with this trend intensifying during the First Intifada. >>2766655And how do we do any of that without a strong and competent American left?
>>2766200Imagine thinking an American Years of Lead would help Palestine at all.
>>2766655>and make them pay reparations to goyim.How is this reparations program implemented?
Who does the implementing, and who oversees it?
What's the point? Palestine is long over. It ended on October 7th, which was the final Hail Mary of the Palestinian resistance. All I need to know in order to know this is how comrades are all wishing and hoping for Israel to internally collapse on its own, because no amount of fighting by the Palestinian people themselves will bring about their own liberation. On what basis could they win? Iran was their main supplier of arms and Iran is being bombed into submission.
The real question now should be: do you want Palestine to end softly or badly? Because right now it's ending badly. Very badly. Literally all you can hope for is that Israel has a change of heart and becomes less fascist.
>>2764205>zios should dust off their 2nd passport or suck start a shotgun if they don't have one because israel isn't going to make it to 2030.This is precisely what I'm talking about. You dream of Israel collapsing because you know the dream of the Palestinians winning their own liberation is long over.
>>2763486>What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?What's supposed to be the goal?
>>2767071Destroy Israel, or something.
The left needs to be in total alliance with the resistance. Subjugate your mind and body to the will of the resistance.
>>2767051>bombed into submissionWhat, cause their bridge was destroyed? They're clearly winning
>>2767820Most of their leadership has been clout martyred. The new ayatollah has no legitimacy and the country is basically a military junta at this point. The only way Iran can “win” is if the U.S. and Israel give up because they’re tired of fighting and would rather negotiate.
>>2763486Ger Mamdani to seize all the property and assets of Chabad-Lubavitch. That's it. Chabad is the biggest Jewish supremacist organization in the world and a major reason why Zionism remains intact. Problem is, Ziohran is too much of a coward to do this.
All anti-Zionist New Yorkers should hold a rally against Jewish supremacy in NYC, preferably in Crown Heights, and demand Mamdani go after Chabad and seize ALL their assets.
>>2763486Very simple. You remove the idea of “Jewish” as an ethnicity and designate it as a religion only. That way non-religious “Jews” are no longer protected by hate crime legislation since all of them are basically white. Meaning, Elias wouldn’t be facing hate crime charges and wouldn’t be getting the death penalty.
>>2768955Antisemites attack Jews based on ethnicity, not just religion, idiot.
>>2763486Organise a bunch of strikes across the country, especially in shipping ports and factories critical for weapons deals with Israel. You know, like in Italy?
>>2768977USA lacks the infrastructure to sustain a general strike.
Do the Palestinians have any revolutionary goals or is their goal merely survival at this point?
>>2769058Survival is an act of resistance.
>>2768955Neo-Nazis don’t care how observant a Jew is.
Certainly, keep making antisemitic IG reels using the juicebox emoji and Israel will fall.
>>2763486>Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?Isn't this what every American leftist dreams of? "We'll win socialism once we firebomb the fucking banks."
>>2769700no that was in the 90s and 2000s. now its about becoming the next hakim piker with a podcast
>>2763486The average American doesn't care about Palestine. They don't. They were bombarded with endless images of children in Gaza being killed for two years and the vast majority of them didn't protest. Americans care more about the economy and whether or not the infrastructure in their small towns will be repaired.
>>2769058“The Palestinians” are useful to the American left because their suffering can be utilized to push the Democrats slightly further left.
American-Zionist alliance is now over. Zios are seething about the ceasefire with Iran. The left doesn’t need to do anything.
>>2774012The ceasefire won’t last 48 hours, calling it now.
Iran needs to burn “Tel Aviv” to the ground like the Soviets burned Berlin. There is no other option.
>>2774289How are they supposed to do that when their society has been destabilized?
Support for Israel is massively declining among anyone born after 1980. Millennials and zoomers DESPISE Israel. Give it time. 20 years from now the boomers will have all died and US foreign policy will have shifted tremendously.
>>2774636>popular opinion determines US policydo mallsharts really?
Put cops in synagogues to monitor Zionist speech. The left would demand this if they were smart.
>>2763486The American left should make more 45 minute Youtube videos about how the latest Hollywood super hero movie is secretly anti-Zionist.
>>2763486They should have organized mass riots in DC to shit the entire system down.
>>2779138
Where are they then?
Promote absolute truth.
The Zio hates absolute truth. Think about it. Why did postmodernism emerge in the West around the time “Israel” started becoming more powerful? Postmodernism forced Marxism out of the academy and brainwashed millions of western leftists.
Judaism is also allergic to absolute truth. Meanwhile, Christianity’s entire foundation is absolute truth. Return to Christ and watch the Zio seethe.
Leave your country and invest your capital and labor elsewhere
>>2779586absolute truth is real and has nothing to do with christ or any other superstitious anti-materialist brainrot
>>2780516Doesn’t change what I said. Zios promote postmodernism because they want every truth to be relative.
>>2780750do you unironically think ppl should "return to christ"?
>>2763776As a transwoman I rely on Teva for my hormones. No thanks.
>>2781856probably a false flag but i hope you die
>>2781854its a yes or no question, answer it or your scared
The best way the left can help Palestine is by giving money DIRECTLY to Palestinians in Gaza. No more organizations claiming to sisal for Palestinians. No more influencers and activist celebrities. Give money directly to families in Gaza so they can continue to survive.
sabotage of crucial weapons/explosives factories, or even peaceful blockade of those can certainly put some sand in the machine
>>2782926money is useless if they dont even have access to basic infrastructure and theres not enough food entering
>>2781856research more about hrt before you bait next time
>Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?
This must be a fedpost. Nobody actually states the specific crimes they are doing, just like how failtrolls use the euphemism "christpilled content" to refer to the shit that they spam (cp, zooshit, etc.)
The key factor is US support. If you can cut that off then Israel is fucked and you'll start seeing way more regional pressure to the point that the country will likely stop existing entirely and lead to a mass exodus of Israelis to Europe and the US. Then Palestinians will be free again.
I think we're actually headed in that direction given how unpopular Israel is in the US now. Israel started the war with Iran which is now economically impacting Americans due to oil prices. The Israel lobby might be powerful but politicians will be forced to adapt to the new paradigm or get voted out of office. Eventually there will be a tipping point and things might get ugly - depending on who is in power at the time and who most effectively weaponizes anti-Israel sentiment it could get VERY ugly.
>>2782964yeah anti zionist agitation, talking to your coworker and relatives can eventually do a lot of good in the current context. Its not as good as organizing, but the communist movement also need a ton of sympathizer not that active
>>2782964What does “cutting off support” actually mean? Electing politicians who don’t support Israel?
>>2782964>and lead to a mass exodus of Israelis to Europe and the US.Why does this need to happen? You are talking about millions of people.
>>2782973It’s not about whether or not it actually happens. Supporting forced deportation or praying 7 million Jews will flee is a test of values. No one really believes Israelis will leave, they just present this situation as a litmus test to see how loyal you are to Palestinian nationalism.
>>2782973if some fucking isteali moves into my neighborhood im throwing a bricks through their windows until they leave
We need to ask ourselves: What does a “victory” for Palestine actually look like? No one can adequately answer this question.
>>2765509>I've watched members of the CPUSAIt's funny how people on this site, such as yourself, obsess over the CPUSA, an irrelevant fossil barely clinging to life.
>>2783008Because no one believes they can actually do anything for Palestine, and that's not the point. "Palestine" is about weeding out people based on their values. "If someone doesn't support killing every single person with Israeli citizenship they are NOT a true comrade, remove them from the left immediately" – that's what I mean.
>>2783130>If someone doesn't support killing every single person with Israeli citizenship they are NOT a true comrade, remove them from the left immediately"who said this? when?
>>2763552most zionists are evangelical christians though. there's only 16 million jews on the entire planet, and even if 100% of them were zionists, that's still a tiny fraction of zionists total. the usa has 340 million people and most of them are AT LEAST liberal zionists
>>2783175
dont see you bombing anything
>>2783175
You mean like you?
Seriously, the left should be doing everything in it's power to be serious about SEIZING ACTUAL POWER, this means playing the political game, moderating policies, listening to the public, and getting leftist anti-zionist reps into power that then hold a massive fucking public enquiry into the Israel lobby, out the Israeli fifth column and arrest and try anybody that went over to Israel to help settlers, IDF etc.
The problem is Leftists REFUSE to actually have a wing of professional leftists who job is to play the electoral game in a very serious manner who's entire job is to try fuck up any attempts by Liberals to support shit like Israel, or Austerity etc. The closest you get are like, Green parties and the like, but they become bogged down in idpol and tumblr bullshit and making Childish anarkiddie demands that would never, ever come about in a Liberal order. The job of Leftist parties in a social democratic order should purely be wrecking and stonewalling any attempt of Liberals to support shit like Israel, Palantir, Austerity etc.
At the moment? What can you do? Read DIASPORA BOY
https://libgen.la/edition.php?id=142440174This is the single best introductory book on absolutely assraping Zionists. Read the book, and just start debating Zionists on their own theory, bring up Negation of the Diaspora and get them to defend it every time you see a Zionist. Zionists love hiding behind bullshit, so you have to drag their positions into the open, so EVERYONE can see what they actually believe.
The problem with the left in regards to Zionism (and a lot of Econ) is they don't read, they just repeat talking points that Zionists are WELL prepared for, attacking Zionists on theory and showing you know more about Zionism than them, is when they panic. I've never, ever lost a debate with Zionists and it's because it's pretty easy to debunk them.
>>2783163It's hyperbole but you see rhetoric like it in every leftist circle since October 7th.
>>2783205>Seriously, the left should be doing everything in it's power to be serious about SEIZING ACTUAL POWER, this means playing the political game, moderating policies, listening to the public, and getting leftist anti-zionist reps into power that then hold a massive fucking public enquiry into the Israel lobby, out the Israeli fifth column and arrest and try anybody that went over to Israel to help settlers, IDF etc.Okay, how do we seize power?
>>2783168>most of them are AT LEAST liberal zionistsLiberal Zionist AKA two-state solution is the default position. Most people don't care enough about Palestinians to hold any other views.
>>2783228Why are so many of you here.
I love how the go-to answer is always:
>SHUT THE COUNTRY DOWN
And yet no instruction or elaboration on how to do that is ever given.
C'mon guys, if you want a general strike you need to get off the internet and organize one.
>>2783229Like I said, one wing of the left should be dedicated to seriously playing the game of intitutional politics, be moderate on social issues, have somewhat believable normie economic policies, actually care about what normies demands are rather than Tumblr/Tik tok vibes etc.
People that genuinely can be elected-enmass to make up at least 20% of Parliaments/lower houses etc and the job of these people isn't really to bring about Socialism, it's to wreck and root out any attempts at Anti-Communism, Pro-Zionism, Anti-Worker positions. They're not there to push rainbow mafia shit, to push leftists wishlists, they are there to specifically leverage the Establishment as it exists.
Think of them as a Communist fifth column, they are not openly Socialist/Communist, they exist purely to act against Establishment interests within the system.
Basically we do the same thing to the Establishment as they do to us, have people go in there, and wreck.
>>2763486blockades and permanent protests around military logistics routs and institutions.
chain yourself to the rail.
>>2783311Not enough activists will do that.
>>2783311even a US soldier self-immolating got next to no press.
Give a schizo flag-item and send them loose at AIPAC annual meeting or just an Israeli embassy.
>>2763486Couldnt care less. Nothing to do with socialism.
>>2783797How would that do anything to stop Israel?
I love how everyone ITT thinks Israelis are stupid and there isn't an Israeli guy watching this discussion taking note of everything we're saying (unless leftypol is blocked in Israel, which it's not).
Just reminding everyone that trying to criminalize AIPAC (or at the very least, get it registered as a foreign agency) will do nothing if Citizens United isn't overturned. AIPAC will just splinter off into multiple little PACs that will continue giving $$$ to pro-Israel candidates.
Leftists should stop focusing on Palestine and focus on Black issues instead.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXVBw-bAGLQ/Palestine will never be liberated by a racist America.
>>2787218black american pig-dogs will get the nuke as well
>>2787218The gaslighting in this video is off the fucking charts.
>>2787218Liberal-on-liberal violence
Demand Jewish schools that promote Zionism be shut down. This is the real source of Zio power: indoctrinating kids. Arrest all teachers promoting Zionism the way they’d be arrested for promoting Nazism. Mamdani could do this.
>>2787218black americans are still americans and therefore part of the problem.
>>2787218>Israel and the Nazis stemmed from the enslavement of Africans in AmericaBlack liberals try to not be the most myopic people in the world challenge (impossible)
Seriously, wtf is wrong with them? They do a similar thing to Zionists where they act like they're the only marginalized people in the world, the only group with a long history of oppression, how every other form of colonialism or discrimination is actually an attack on them specifically, how any attempt to dismantle oppressive systems in general is a distraction from their specific issues, anything that doesn't revolve around them is racist, etc. It's so irritating.
>>2789821Can you prove her assertion wrong? How was the enslavement of Africans not the greatest oppression in human history?
>>2790014“Literally every other region went through slavery and oppression. My grandparents went through a major ethnic and religious war. My parents lived through tribal gang fighting. I don’t give a shit that some retarded Americans were dealing with their own little bullshit. No American has ever starved or known what real war looks like
>>2790165Are you from the Balkans by chance?
>>2779586Figures that the midwits seething about postmodernism are religgers
>>2790014Slavery was practiced for literally thousands of years before the transatlantic slave trade began, and similar or greater numbers of people were killed in the British Raj, feudal China, Native American genocide, the Holocaust (which includes Generalplan Ost and the Eastern Front) etc. But even if what she was saying was true, it seems pretty fucked up to declare that being from an ethnic group that suffered the worst persecution in history automatically makes you an authority on all oppression everywhere. Plus the parts about Israel and the Nazis somehow being based on the transatlantic slave trade simply isn't true. I'll grant that the Nuremburg laws drew heavily from Jim Crow, but both Generalplan Ost and Zionism in general draw far more heavily from Manifest Destiny. You also see this sort of shit with the ICE deportations with people calling them "slave catchers". The funny part there is that slave catchers were catching people trying to escape the US and returning them to work, whereas ICE is arresting people who come to the US to work and forcing them to leave. Literally the reverse of a slave catcher lmao. The point is that some Black libs seem to be incapable of looking at oppression of other people and not saying "How can I make this about me?"
Israel will be destroyed as soon as the American right stops supporting it. We don’t need the left to do more for Palestine, we need the right-wing to join us.
>>2791295>palestinians aren't a raceI thought this was clipped out of context but it's direct from her channel. how did she even get into this frame? overcompensating for saying some dumb racist shit? the palestinian genocide is occurring across racial lines: how does she not know that palestinians are predominantly arab and bedouin? she is precisely the kind of misinformed moron who should be shut down.
>>2787294the trans-atlantic slave trade is foundational to the american empire, but the crusades to the middle east started in the 11th century, and the west african slave trade occurred in the 15th century colonialism has a longer and broader history than just the USA.
of course there's a resurgence of kamala supporters now that piker is chasing the zionists and abundance weirdos out of the dems. crakkkerpoints came out of the woodwork to say some dumb shit as well.
what are these bids for attention? making pointless drama is self defeating, and they seem to be forgetting harris's unconditional support for the palestinian genocide cost the dems the election and not palestinians. they're at war with reality, not trump.
>>2791896How were the Crusades a bigger atrocity than Black slavery? The Crusades were also empire vs empire, not empire vs helpless, stateless people.
>>2791896The crusades were not “anti-Palestinian violence” the same way slavery was anti-Black violence.
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