>>2806119https://inter-rev.foroactivo.com/t12145-la-ideologia-comunizadora-en-accion-ideologica-confusionismo-desbarre-y-senuelo?fbclid=IwAR1lTMZVXnWNfRAxd56E7nZOBVm9-vr9yjy3PAY7u8hHUifhxRt1DNacyqc#103773 Gilles Dauvé says that it is necessary thing is the "creation of new social relations in which any form of economy as such disappears…"(Note on Pannekoek and Bordiga).
For this Dauvé has to make a definition of economy that is not "the separation of productive time and space from the rest of life". We see it in the following quote I provide from Dauvé, from his text "In this world, but not of this world".
The economy (from the Greek οίκος oikos "house" νoμή nomḗ "distribution, distribution, administration") is a set of activities and relations concerning the production and distribution of goods and services .Each mode of production frames this general necessity which no society can do without, in certain relations. Obviously the relations of the capitalist mode of production and distribution are different and antagonistic to the associated communist mode of production and distribution, and therefore the labour and non-labour activities show clear and profound differences. The necessary labour activities are the collective material basis for the non-labour time, the time free from the necessary work, to be as broad, joyful and full as possible, enhancing the social characteristics and those of the individual members.
Once capitalism has been eradicated and overcome, in communism there is only use value, and the division of labour, so characteristic of class societies, has also been eradicated. (rural-urban, manual-intellectual, and with respect to the sexual and domestic forms that manifest themselves in capitalism) It is therefore possible that work is not torture because of the limited time devoted to it, because of the human nature of its process, and because it is a source of learning and empowerment of knowledge and human vitality, and ALL ON THE BASIS THAT THE PRODUCING COMMUNITY OWNS AND CONTROLS BOTH THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION AND THE PRODUCT OF ITS LABOUR, KNOWING THE TIME OF WORK AND THE RESOURCES NECESSARY FOR IT. .and what this implies (method of accounting, collective supervision, planning of resources and needs, of training and technical organisation to achieve it…).
Hence Marx spoke of labour, the necessary labour activity, no longer as a degrading and one-sided torture of the workers, but as a source of social enjoyment, a fundamental need of the socialised human being in communism.
The communization ideology arbitrarily and biasedly rejects the necessity of work, of the economy, of the management of all social activities, and what does it propose? We read Dauvé:
"Any economic definition of communism remains within the realm of economics, that is, of the separation of productive time and space from the rest of life. Communism is not based on the satisfaction of needs as they exist now or even as we might imagine them in the future. It is a world in which people establish relationships and engage in acts that allow them to feed, care for, house and teach… themselves. Communism is not a social organisation. It is an activity. It is a human community.
(In this world, but not of this world).
Earlier he had spoken of "creation of new social relations", which is logical and right… But now he says that "it is not a social organisation", and just before that he says that "it is a world in which people establish relationships and engage in acts that enable them to feed, care for, house and teach… themselves, But can there be social relations without social organisation, can human beings set out to do all that is necessary to live humanly and to reproduce human life together but only thinking of themselves and not of others, can there be community without community organisation and without social relations being established within it?
Dauvé says that communism is not a social organisation, but an activity "… So it is a disorganised, unorganised activity ? Ahem, and he ends up admitting that it is a "human community", also disorganised? Dauvé and his ilk are trying to take advantage of petty-bourgeois individualism…that is to say that others produce and take care of the work…the sophistry he uses serves to make communism appealing to those who do not want to work and only want to enjoy life and at most do some activities with others, but each one on his own, without organising…without acquiring agreements of collective cooperation and responsibilities for other elements of the classless community.
But of course to say this so loudly is to show oneself as a profiteering, petty-bourgeois lumpen-whatever-they-are….
If "people establish relations and engage in acts that enable them to feed, care for, house and teach each other", it is necessary to have common agreements, common organisation, common experimentation and management, common verification and accounting, common responsibility for each other - …. abc !!! .
But in the communication they come to even more important mistakes…
And so on :
Roland Simon , of Théorie Communiste ,has theorised:
"In communism there are no longer social relations, but relations established between singular individuals and, therefore, there is no more work".
(Karl Marx and the end of classical German philosophy).
http://dndf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Karl-Marx-y-el-fin-de-la-filosof%C3%ADa-cl%C3%A1sica-alemana.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1D4AHtoyGvozOSHyxwesk1AvmssU-7EWCTGgi90Rk57twIqKm3pzPH4FYIn other words, everyone is free to do as he or she pleases without necessarily contributing to the collective, without having social and labour responsibilities, taking from here and there as it comes or as they can take from what others do, with your colleagues enjoying themselves and freaking out… Does this sound familiar? That is why you have to vehemently and mystifyingly reject what the GIC and Marx put forward about social labour time, its calculation and its revolutionary collective use. …. That is why you have to twist and distort everything, taking us to worlds where sophist rhetoric and the cognitive deception of magicians reigns.
That is why their supporters have to be told that there is no transition period, that in an immediate act of cancellation, capitalist relations, structures and forces will be done away with, and that this is possible because of the degree of development that capitalism itself and its automated processes have reached… blablabla.