How do you as Marxists reconcile your immense loss when you consider that next to one even thinks about class when it comes to explaining societal problems? At best they consider how much money people make, which isn’t a Marxian conception of class. So, if the very core of your theory is not even considered, how will socialism be successful? You talk about “the right conditions” but will “the right conditions” just magically endow people with the thinking that owners of the means of production are the problem? Why was the idea not even taken seriously for so long then? It seems like when shit hits the fan people will be more inclined to believe it’s only billionaires who are the problem, or Jews, or non-whites, or communists, ironically enough.
Nice try, but everytime I go online in normie spaces random people are always angry at the rich and corrupt
>How do you as Marxists reconcile your immense loss when you consider that next to one even thinks about class when it comes to explaining societal problems? I get sad and remember that the revolution will start in the third world
>>2767271LMAOOOO you are an absolutely stupid racist leftcom. These libs will just turn around and hate the (((rich))) and the (((corrupt))). They will not let the real movement that abolishes the present state of things. They will just be fascistic class collaborationists (they want polite and ethical millionaires and socialdemocract)
>>2767271>angry at the rich and corruptI didn’t read “bourgeoisie” or “owners of the means of production” in that statement. Did you?
>>2767276>they want polite and ethical millionaires and socialdemocractThe blackpill boss of the blackpill class.
Trvke.
>>2767280No, the revolution will eventually win. It's not lost
Because history only ever moves in one direction
>>2767283Not in present westlandia
>>2767290The third world will form a united red army and invade NATO like the Soviet Union smashed Nazi Europe
>>2767271>Le corrupt Lmao
>>2767267>reconcileWith what?
>>2767290Yeah, that's what I said. The west will turn fascist and the third world will have its revolutions and eventually the west will be red too
>>2767301You have to believe nuclear weapons don’t exist or are highly exaggerated for this to be true
>>2767303The third world will conquer the West with BBC. If the West uses nukes because of that you are just admitting that BBC is too powerful to compete against.
>>2767279There are no rich people who aren't owners of the MoP or that are unable to organize the productive forces to exploit workers
>>2767295Read the OP again retard
>How do Marxists reconcile your immense loss when you consider that next to one even thinks about class when it comes to explaining societal problems?We don't need to reconcile anything because the normie is already classpilled, sure, they aren't well versed on communist theory, but they don't need to be, that's the job of the communist party
>>2767276>(((rich)))>(((corrupt)))Reported for being a stupid poltard
>>2767311Also
>They will just be fascistic class collaborationists (they want polite and ethical millionaires and socialdemocract)You are just projecting, you spam the whole board with class collaborationist cuck propaganda about how the development of the national bourgeoisie in the third world is actually a good thing for communism.
You have serious mental issues, I think you should seriously begin to consider suicide
>>2767291>>2767303Especially with drones and AI you really will have to put in a lot of sacrifice to defeat the west.
>>2767311>Thinking false conscious nonsense like worrying about "corruption" is being classpilled Lmfao what a stupid fucking retard
>>2767314Gold plated nonsense that can be defeated by cheaper drones, cheaper missiles, and if it comes down to it, human waves
>>2767318Again, retard, the proletariat doesn't need to be well versed on communist theory, they experience capitalist exploitation every day. You lost /pol/, we marxists don't have to reconcile and "inmense loss", because we know that the party is necessary to bridge the gap between scientific socialism and vulgar distrust to the rich
>>2767322Being literally doused in false consciousness leads to reactionary thought you dumb idiot, it's the opposite of being class pilled. How many color revolutions happened under the banner of anti corruption? Answer: all of them.
It means nothing, you might as well be impressed by german nazis in the 30s talking about "the elites" in der sturmer as being an indication of their amazing class consciousness
Kys epsteinite retard
>>2767311>There are no rich people who aren't owners of the MoPJ. K. Rowling
>Reported for being a stupid poltardFucking mononeuronal autistic I was saying with irony that they will become antisemites rather than communists. I hate the jewish and gentile bourgeois equaly
>>2767312AH;DC (Ad Hominem; Don't Care)
>>2767303That's why multipolarity is needed first
>>2767311>There are no rich people who aren't owners of the MoPPlastic surgeons, politicians, famous actors/artists, senior engineers, investment bankers, etc.
And the vast majority of those who own the means of production are poor, because there are more of the petit bourgeoisie than successful big companies.
>>2767326>Calls me an "epstenite" when Epstein could be used to demonstrate his own argument, making him fall victim of the very ideology he is criticizingYou really are beyond stupid, as I said before, you need to start considering ending your life, it isn't valuable at all and I guarantee you will not accomplish anything wothy of note
As you can tell by your own experiencie, only the most stupid of the proles would fall for reactionarism.
>How many color revolutions happened under the banner of anti corruption? You cannot have a color revolution without popular discontent, so the desire to change the present state of things is there, the failure of color revolutions can be attributed to the failures of the communists parties to organize the workers, and it is very ironic that these color revolutions usually happen in the third world, which according to you, has the revolutionary potential. Are you seriously stupid enough to not being able to see the massive flaws in your line of thought?
>>2767312I said AD;DC but wathever
>development of the national bourgeoisie in the third world is actually a good thing for communism.A weaker and fragmented bourgeoisie is better than a class-conscious imperialist one. Revolution won't happen spontaniously and simultinously across the world in a giant orgasm as you think it will
>>2767329>J. K. RowlingIP rights, which under capitalism, are part of the productive forces, she profits from every book made by workers
>that they will become antisemites And yet there hasn't been a repeat of anti-semitic fascism since WW2, so all you are doing is proving that reactionary retards have no revolutionary potential. It's irrelevant they become anti-semitic because when the time comes, they will get steamrolled by communists
>>2767338>as I said before, you need to start considering ending your lifeKek, you are not responding to the same guy (really consistent with your low mental capabilities). I would never say "epsteinite"
>>2767342>there hasn't been a repeat of anti-semitic fascism since WW2Until now, it's literally what is forming right now (idk if they will really take power tho or we will have imperialist conservacucks forever)
>>2767338Calling people epsteinites is far more class conscious than being concerned with abstract "corruption". Which is why you get so upset by it, because you are one
>Le color revolution is actually good and not reactionary Typical epsteinite reaction
>>2767344>epsteneiteWhy don't you call him CIA-agent or whathever? Epstein was nothing exceptional
>>2767338>the failures of the communists parties to organize the workersmaterial explanation for why this keeps happening?
>>2767346Potayto Potahto. But epsteinite is the cutting edge right now
>>2767343>Until now, it's literally what is forming right nowits a nothingburger
>>2767351For the moment, but in 5-10 years they will be very important in the decaying empire
flooood >>2767355I doubt it, but I guess only time will tell
>>2767339>>2767330>Plastic surgeons, politicians, famous actors/artists, senior engineers, investment bankers, etc.Plastic surgeons, as well as other medical experts, benefited from being part of a wealthy family most of the time, and when they become wealthy they buy property and become bourgeois, I know this for a fact, as I am sitting right now on my gf's appartment bed, who she rents it from her aunt, who is a rich surgeon.
>PoliticansLmao at you believing politicians aren't wealthy in property or industry before reaching top positions
>Actors/artistsBenefit from IP laws
>EngineersNo engineer is wealthy after finishing school, the ones that are, are because of family privilege, so they benefit from a class position from the start
>Investment bankerSame as above
>A weaker and fragmented bourgeoisie is better than a class-conscious imperialist one.Are you inplying the bourgeoisie won't leave their differences behind, join forces and engage in imperialism? Have you ever opened a history book?
>Revolution won't happen spontaniously and simultinously across the world in a giant orgasm as you think it willNo, but the conditions that will allow for a global revolution to take place globally, as global capitalism will be exhausted due to it's internal contradictions
>>2767335Most of these areexplained by the obes above, the only ones who are not are
>Lottery>CryptoAnd it's very very stupid to believe a few people that won a bet will somehow disprove marxism, plus they end up buying property or industry and they become part of the bourgeoisie
>>2767359Kill yourself I fucking hate you
>>2767344>Calling people epsteinites is far more class conscious than being concerned with abstract "corruption". No it isn't you fucking imbecile, using the term "Epsteinite" shows that you are angry just against the imperial bourgeoisie, meanwhile, "corruption" is a global phenomena, the people that claim that the problem with society is Jeffrey Epstein are retards like you who flirt with the idea of class collaborating with the third world bourgeoisie to have "multipoltarity" and other classcuck drivel, as you feel the necessity to single out the western imperial proletariat
Which is why you get so upset by it, because you are one
Meanwhile, the proles that use the term "Corruption" understand that it is not merely and individual phenomenon, but rather a systemic one, sure, it's still not calling out the class issue of society, but it is by far more systemic than "le hekin American jew Epstein"
Again, you fail to see and understand why this is the case, because you are terminally stupid, and as I said before, you should seriously consider suicide as I do not think you have the intelligencw to overcome this ideological catastrophe
>Le color revolution is actually good and not reactionary Typical epsteinite reaction
Why am I not surprised you have no reading comprehension? Is never said color revolutions were not reactionary. Again, only solution is sudoku
>>2767364Has your parasocial relationship advanced so mich you have decided to use the leftcom flag now?
>>2767347Capitalism has not proletarized enough people in the third world, despite what MTW seem to believe.
>to single out the western imperial proletariat
western imperial bourgeoisie*
By the way retard, when are you going to adress the point I made here
>>2767338>and it is very ironic that these color revolutions usually happen in the third world, which according to you, has the revolutionary potential.Hurry up retard, defend your MTW delusions
>>2767370Yes. Do you have any problem? Recently you misidentified me with the "epsteinite" guy so i guess this will make it easier for you to identify me
>>2767369>Meanwhile, the proles that use the term "Corruption" understand that it is not merely and individual phenomenon, but rather a systemic one, sure, it's still not calling out the class issue of society, but it is by far more systemic than "le hekin American jew Epstein"Retarded racist leftcom truth nuke (except caring about (((corruption))))
>>2767371So why shouldn't the national bourgeoisue develop the productive forces? How is there going to be a communist revolution without a proletariat?
>>2767379>So why shouldn't the national bourgeoisue develop the productive forces? How is there going to be a communist revolution without a proletariat?Why should the communist support the desire for the bourgeoisie to exploit them? A car factory produces cars and the badge at the front is irrelevant, I don't care if it's a Ford™ or a hekin national indigenous EV made especifically for the Mexican people™
(I do care because muh veeayte but that's irrelevant to the conversation)
The global crisis of capital will happen if the factory is owned by a national bour or by a foreign bourg.
>>2767267>How do you reconcile labor aristocrat shenanigans?Easily. You are 20% of the world population yet 100% of the parasites upon it.
>>2767388Dating and marrying into the bourgeoisie while attacking China for not being socialist enough and also doing nothing to stop your homeland from bombing and couping other countries is The Real Movement. I understand now. I too will marry into a wealthy family and start attacking Xi for not abolishing commodity production and also invest into American weapon manufacturing stocks with my bourgeois wife's money since clearly this is the most Leftist life path forward.
>>2767369>No it isn'tYes it is, your angry spergout is proof enough of that
>Meanwhile, the proles that use the term "Corruption" understand that it is not merely and individual phenomenon, but rather a systemic one, Lmfao insane mega cope. You're really losing it now.
>Is never said color revolutions were not reactionaryYou used the use of the term corruption as an indication of class consciousness. Yet, the only ones using such terms are reactionary color revolutionoids
>>2767391I will keep banging my glans on her cervix with my big Leftkkkom cock while she says "I love you daddy" and there is N O T H I N G you can do to stop me.
>>2767359>I am sitting right now on my gf's appartment bedWhile you watch me fuck her
>>2767381>Why should the communist support the desire for the bourgeoisie to exploit them?support means material support and because it advances multipolarity
>>2767378What is there to address? Why would I want CIA-backed colour revolutions to succeed/make the empire more powerful? Yeah they are caused by popular discontent + false consciousness manipulated by the ameriKKKan porkies. If the $nakeSS of AmeriKKK were less powerful (multipolarity is key for this) the CIA would not be able to manipulate the other countries proletariat (since it is the national bourgeoisie's self interest to defend their property against the imperial bourgeoisie) and the communists would succeed
>>2767391Bourgeois class consciousness is so beautiful to see
>>2767395>Yes it isNope
>AngerStop projecting
>Lmfao insane mega cope.Not an argument, Epstein is an individual who was part of the ruling class of US and Israel, Corruption is a phenomena in which the ruling class uses power and money to brake bourgeois law, if you believe that the first term, Epstein, is a more general one, as a general term will define a class society and it's systemic issues, luke corruption. You are undoubtedly a fucking retard, you are literally wrong on a grammatical level
The only solution, as I said, is suicide, a mind that can't even understand and utilize language will never achieve anything worthy of note.
>You used the use of the term corruption as an indication of class consciousness. And you used the term Epsteinite, and I already explained why "corruption" is a better one at explaining the global capitalist system
Besides,.what was Epstein crime if not corruption? He was able to enslave kids because of blackmail, and blackmail is literally corruption
>Yet, the only ones using such terms are reactionary color revolutionoidsAnd the only ones engaging in color revolutions are third world proles, explain this phenomena, retard jewish negro.
>>2767401>you are literally wrong on a grammatical levelNot everyone is an EML/EFL/ENL craKKKer like you. ESL is proletarian and revolutionary (nigerian/etc EFL is proletarian and revolutionary too)
>>2767397>While you watch me fuck herShe is an evangelical christian and literally hates anything that isn't remotely close to monogamy.
>support means material support and because it advances multipolarityNice circular logic, retard, you have yet to explain how Multipoltarity advances communism
>Why would I want CIA-backed colour revolutions to succeed/make the empire more powerful?Because you are a liberal lolz
> Yeah they are caused by popular discontent + false consciousness manipulated by the ameriKKKan porkies.And these only happen in the third world, yet the third world holds the revolutionary potential?
>If the $nakeSS of AmeriKKK were less powerful (multipolarity is key for this) the CIA would not be able to manipulate the other countries proletariat (since it is the national bourgeoisie's self interest to defend their property against the imperial bourgeoisie)Their own national intelligence agencies would sabotage proletariat movements, retard. This fucking classcuck thinks the national bourgeois cares about the national proletariat kekekk!
>and the communists would succeedSource?
>>2767405Im Mexican you fucking inbred retard, fucking retarded jewish negro.
>>2767401>NopeYup
>Stop projectingNever was
>Not an argument, Epstein is an individual who was part of the ruling class of US and Israel, Corruption is a phenomena in which the ruling class uses power and money to brake bourgeois lawCorruption is understood by the masses as a personal failing and fault, whereby corrupt individuals can simply be removed from power and that will fix the system. At most some checks and balances will be implemented. Epstein is the embodiment of the whole of the bourgeoisie as a class, as a pedofilic murderer which can only be stopped by destroying the class relations that bring him about in their entirety
>And you used the term Epsteinite, and I already explained why "corruption" is a better one at explaining the global capitalist systemEpsteinite is a far better term, it makes you angry because it describes you perfectly. Corruption is useless and exclusively used by epsteinites such as yourself
>And the only ones engaging in color revolutions are third world proles, explain this phenomena, The imperialism of the Epstein Empire obviously
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