The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor I intended to make a new thread, giving a historical overview of the last few decades of the communist movement.
>What is the difference between:
>Mao Zedong Thought [ML-MZT]
>Maoism-ThirdWorldism [M3W]
<Missing: >Classical Marxism-Leninism-Maoism [classical MLM]. Exemplified by Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist Party of India (Maoist) as key leaders and influences.
>Gonzalo Thought [aka "MLM-pM" and "Gonzaloism"]
>How interrelated are they?
Comrades. don't forget these tools:
<Historical materialism.
<General-Particular-General dialectical spiral in analysis.
<Never capitulate proletarian leadership to reactionary classes.
<Analyze the contradictory relationship of petty-bourgeois ideology to scientific socialism-communism throughout time, which always ends just yesterday.
<50s-70s:
ML-MZT is a part of the revolutionary pole of Marxism-Leninism, along with Socialist Albania and the still revolutionary wave of subsequent parties, red armies and masses internationally basing themselves on this praxis; which fought the reactionary turn that resulted in numerous setbacks in the international workers movement during the post-war period. Influenced both by the hot wars waged in US imperialism's so-called "Cold War" as well as the now great power chauvinist USSR having capitulated the weapon of Lenin and transforming into a social-imperialist obstacle, funding pacifist reformist, anti-revolutionary parties the world over. Mao, in direct communication with parties seeking revolutionary guidance all over the world clarifies a tactical point on protracted peoples war [PPW]: it is a tactic working specifically for semi-colonial / semi-feudal areas and not for largely urbanized or imperialist countries, where the "October road" tactic should be used. This is important to keep in mind later on in the post.
CPP forms in the 60s around Marcos dictatorship period. The party is influenced by ML-MZT.
TKP/ML forms in the 70s in the midst of Turkish state anti-communist repression. Party leader Kaypakkayakaya assassinated early. Reorganizations and splits define this early period until mid 90s.
<80s-90s:
MLM appears as a group of competing interpretations, tendencies, backgrounds (and eventual results), trying to assess the lessons of the Chinese revolution and the potential nature of Maoism as a new stage of development. Abimael Guzman ("Gonzalo") gains influence thinking he has found a "new synthesis" after a trip to China during the Cultural Revolution. The Revolutionary Internationalist Movement [RIM] formed in the mid 80s and peaking in influence in the mid to late 90s, dissolving from inactivity in the early 2010s. Foundational and leading parties were PCP-SL (Gonzalo), RCPUSA (Avakian), TKP/ML and a south asian multitude Maoist groups (pre early 2000s period of reorganization, consolidation and major growth). They end up drawing dispairate conclusions on the fundational question of what 'Maoism'"is".
PCP-SL launches their campaign in the Peruvian countryside, elevating the principal nature of Maoism having been uncovered through 'Gonzalo Thought', growth is made easier in part by the social emiseration through hyperinflation initiated during the social fascist presidency of Alan García. A wrecked population and particularly peruvian agricultural workers of indigenous background, turned to the Maoists. President García commits suicide by gunshot (a rare poetic suicide, the political-economic actions of his admin. clearly "hit the fan" in a similar sense) and is followed by Alberto Fujimori, a Japanese capitalist with deep connection to both Peruvian intelligence as well as supported by US intelligence now actively monitoring the situation). Fujimori is growing a political dynasty in Peru of which he hyper-exploits with clear disdain for the Peruvian people. Later it is revealed that his campaigns were funded and aided by the US, even militarily and that his side murdered more peruvians in the civil war. One tactic tactic utilized by the Fujimori dictatorship was the forced sterilization program disguised as public health / economic development, specifically targeting impoverished Peruvian indigenous women. 300.000 women were sterilized.
The PCP-SL tries to connect the rural base areas by growing into the urban environment. The civil war is now at its peak in a now military dictatorship. Having the entire hierarchy of the party written down and organized on a personal computer in the urban area he hides in, Gonzalo is a single point of failure. In '92 the Peruvian state finds him, raids the place and decapitates the party in one sweep. The Peruvian movement has still not recovered. It's partially due to 'Gonzalo Thought' proclaiming importance to Jefetura transl. 'Great Leadership' which places emphasis on a singular "Great Leader" being a key aspect this theoretical "advance".
RIM's "contribution" then was the announcing the universality of this Maoism, which also includes the "universality" of the PPW, around '93, following his capture.
CPP enters a Second Great Rectification in 1992, a key turn for the party's success, with adjusting their praxis, expelling a variety of negative elements that have managed to enter the organization(s) and which are inflicting problems. Some were literal Gorbachevites that wanted to liquidate the armed communist basis for the legal organizations, others were left-adventurists (people advocating tactics that sound like 90s LatAm adventurists, whether Gonzaloist or Guevarists). CPP seeks to persecute these elements. CPP adopts MLM, without adding 'Gonzalo Thought' "contributions", or joining RIM. these years CPP struggles against such deviationist tendencies, reemerging as hostile parties, kept afloat by petty bourgeois sympathizers, gangster networks and reformists. CPP manages to persecute some (red areas constitute dual power, a state within the bourgeois state of the philippines), others happen to be killed (not proscribed party policy). Brief tumult ensues for some years in the philippine communist movement. CPP emerges victorious.
TKP/ML conflict with state escalates in the mid 90s, in a brutal power struggle. Its power base is the Kurdish community in Turkey. As I have limited info on the situation it's safe to limit the statement to the fact that the repression appears to remain unsuccessful as the culture of the region still is supportive (corresponding to Irish views of IRA / socialist republicans).
RCPUSA takes a turn away and in the late 90s "creates" "his own" "synthesis". It becomes another cult. Today they mostly protest and theatrically praise Bob Avakian himself in the manner a black book of communism chapter would characterize what a socialist mode of production is.
In the 90s M3W is formed as less of a political force and more of… an art project, in North America. Their activity consists of media engagement, primarily online. Their "theoretical elaboration" (that the proletariat in any imperialist nation is structurally incapable of revolution) deviate from MLM and MZT theory and practice, while retaining the militant verbiage and symbolism. They don't last more than a decade in terms of noticeable output, are still technically existing today as "MIM (Prisons)" which also still just posts stuff online, which can be described as "bizarro US exceptionalism".
<2000s-2010s:
Coordination Committee of Maoist Parties and Organizations of South Asia (CCOMPOSA) is founded in 2001.
CPI (Maoist) is formed in 2004, a consolidation of various Indian MZT and Maoist parties, settling the period of competing groups taking influence from the Cultural Revolution. They adhere to MLM, do not reference RIM theory and do not join RIM.
South asian advance of generalized MLM upswing is in full force across India, Nepal and Sri Lanka. The Nepalese PPW advances from defensive, to stalemate, to offensive with the awakening and unification of the regional forces, i.e. MLMs from India and Sri Lanka also aid in this effort. Revisionist China aids the monarchy (in vain, we see in hindsight). In the middle of the 2010s Revisionist China will sanction the DPRK at the behest of US imperialism because they won't back down from repeated threats over several years from the US and China not to develop nuclear military deterrence (the DPRK which just exited a famine period both tanks the Chinese sanction, which lasts a full year, and remains a nuclear power to this day). Online anglo-fluent self-described "communist" MLs (in fact feds revisionists, little difference) love to brush such aspects of the post-'78 CPC under the rug.
Nepalese MLM guerillas seize Kathmandu, capital of Nepal. Dictatorship/monarchy is overthrown. Revisionism sets in within the communist leadership, which is in a Front with MLs (rightists) as well as progressive socdems. First "parliamentary road", at the insistence of the MLs, is agreed upon, then the gradual reduction in interventions of the people's army in society. The revolutionary Maoists sees the writing on the wall and with the guerillas split from the parliamentary faction to maintain a proper line and retreats to rebuild forces. Parliamentary cretinism defines both Prashanda's (the capitulationist former Maoist) and subsequent Oli's (ML) government, as well as lack of a backbone. Unfair trade deals with India, US and China abode. Flagrant corruption is felt and revolutionaries are repressed. after 8+ years India-tier centrist liberals start gaining seats in elections instead. When revisionists so damage the conception of communism so viscerally through bourgeois democracy and media (similarly to contemporary situation in post-eastern bloc countries, who have Gorbachovite period in lived memory), it becomes so much harder to for the communist movement to recover in the short term.
Indian MLMs are boosted simultaneous to the advance of Nepalese Maoist into power. With a more powerful enemy (a post-colonial state adopting imperialist governance logic up to the point of taking Israeli settler-colonialism as example to emulate and a major benefactor of US-led imperialism as well as Chinese-led imperialism) it still maintains a power base in the center of india among the poor, indigenous but tribalized, ethnic minority and dalit ('untouchables' in the caste system).
Maoist Communist Party of Manipur is founded in 2011 in northeast India. It pronounces solidarity with the CPI (Maoist) and mutual connections are formed.
RIM dissolves with a wimper in 2013, having been irrelevant to anything going on in Maoism for some time.
<2020s-Today:
ML-MZT is sustained in the international ICOR, led by the MLPD (Germany), who has spearheaded two internationals around this line, first as the less influential Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (ICMLPO) in the 90s, which then had proximity to Hoxhaist groups as well who shared an international of the same name; it was then replaced by International Coordination of Revolutionary Parties and Organizations (ICOR), started around the 2010s. ML-MZT as practiced by ICOR parties consists of revolutionary communist parties rejecting common ML practical dead-ends today like those of popular-front influenced parliamentary cretinism/reformism, tailism in regards to reactionary tendencies of the imperial core working classes, or letting the party morph into a secluded boomer cult as a result of rejecting MZT advancements like criticism-self-criticism / unity-struggle-unity and the mass line. It takes the mass line engagement with working class areas as "point one". ICOR parties operating in imperialist countries correctly focus on proletariat no faith in national bourgeoisie, and united front from below, i.e. tactics of 'October Road'. ICOR is also close to the most successful Maoist party in the world today, CPP.
CPP's NPA (New People's Army) rural base areas remain stable. NDF, the third layer of the CPP, its political united front, the public-facing and legal layer, involves millions of philippine members, living in urban areas.
Abimael Guzman dies in prison, 86 years old. MLMpM (Gonzaloist) international "International Communist League" [ICL] is formed, spearheaded by "declarations" of western european microparties ejected from domestic ML-MZT parties, who retain their mass base. Some ICL microparties emerge out of what seems to be thin air. Isolated LatAm parties sympathetic to Peruvian experience join, TKP/ML voice hesitant constructive engagement. CPP and CPI (Maoist) levy direct critique against "Gonzalo Thought" theoretical deviation and don't join. The ICL believes PPW is appicable in places like Norway, Belgium, UK, US and that 'Great Leadership' doesnt need to be discarded following the PCP-SL experience.
Indian MLM growth seen in northeast provinces, during regional unrest. In an environment of Hindutva-fascist race riots (see 'Manipur unrest'), gang rapes and ethnic strife, targeted against eurasian and asian looking Indians who are recognized ethnic groups of this region of India, are facing extreme attacks by fascist mobs, with no intervention by BJP-alligned regional police. Northeast Maoists, including organize on unity and reject the ethnic divisions stoked by the ruling class using divide and conquer tactics through the BJP government. Northeast Indian Maoists all voice support for "the Maoists of India", indicating an expanded and/or reorganized CCOMPOSA which could be emerging.
Amorphous Nepalese riots wreck parliament, signs of indirect NED/CIA support. Nepalese people by en large appear to respond to the situation with widespread apathy, as a result of years of revisionist governments betraying them, throwing parliament into question in general. Subsequently the only party growing is a meme candidate, or protest vote, whose key issue is to legalize cannabis.
>Did Deepseek (Chinese AI) give me an imperialist answer in pics 2/3/4 related?
Chinese AI in general, since it is Chinese products and on the Chinese internet, subject to contemporary Chinese regulation, is forbidden to go into any historical detail about any instance the capitalist roaders deem too communist and so they will censor entire decades of their own history (like 1968-1976) and even anything said by the proletarian line of the party (whenever it contradicts any reactionary aspect of their current operation) during the entire socialist period (1949-1976). They go to these lengths because otherwise it also directly contradicts the notion, which they like to propagate, that the CPC still upholds MZT today and didn't overthrow the politics that erected the state they in fact gutted and reoriented towards imperialist integration.
Additionally Wikipedia deliberately collapse terminology and so you will have to forgo Wikipedia articles on anything to do with Mao, the history of the PRC, Maoism and MLM, or nothing about it will become coherent. I recommend Bannedthought as a starter, because they host party documents translated to english and "Marxist" historiography that isn't actually academically & economically boosted to be Trotskyist historiography dune on the second world-historic tradition they want to wreck. (Trotskyists are viewed as "reputable" sources on Wikipedia for socialist-communist articles, so not only for Stalin and USSR history pages, which many seem to believe). Trotskyism is close enough to social fascism and anti-communism to be acceptable, resumably.
Oh my god we don't need multiple threads of his sophomoric nonsense. People were shitposting on that thread because its a stupid question that should be relegated to qtddtot.
>>2767841> I recommend Bannedthought as a starter, because they host party documents translated to english and Marxist historiography that isn't actually academically & economically boosted to be Trotskyist historiography dune on the second world-historic tradition they want to wreck. (Trotskyists are viewed as "reputable" sources on Wikipedia for socialist-communist articles, so not only for Stalin and USSR history pages, which many seem to believe). Trotskyism is close enough to social fascism and anti-communism to be acceptable, resumably.Fucked up that sentence. It's supposed to be:
< I recommend Bannedthought as a starter, because they host party documents translated to english and Marxist historiography that isn't actually academically & economically boosted to be Trotskyist historiography. Trotskyists are viewed as "reputable" sources on Wikipedia for socialist-communist articles, so not only for Stalin and USSR history pages (which many seem to believe), but also for the second world-historic tradition they want to wreck. Trotskyism is close enough to social fascism and anti-communism to be acceptable, presumably.Just ask if there's any other points which you'd like clarification on.
>The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor
It was /thread after the first post
>>2767852It's simple: we slide such shit threads, with more informative ones.
Hence the new thread.
<<2767930 (Niet)
>No u
You would have adressed my post then, yet all you are doing is posting chinese nationalist propaganda
>>2767930a retard screech of a negative ain't a answer, dilate.
>>2767979>DilateYour poltardation is leaking again, reported
>>2767982>i-i'm gonna hecking report you !!!!lmao, bitch ass derailer can't handle what he does, limp wristed bitch.
>>2767984This thread shouldn’t even exist
>>2767984>DerailerMy reply makes perfect sense with the content and context of the OP