Can anarchism ever make a comeback? They don't seem to do much of anything nowadays. No propaganda of the deed, no cultural staying power, no media personalities. Baby leftists seem to not even be aware of it anymore.
100 posts and 9 image replies omitted.>>2780716"Most" are anarchists in name only and not organized, see the views and principles of federations not random shitty punks who call themselves "anarchist". By your logic most socialists are liberals because most who call themselves socialists are succdems.
>>2780756Societal progress is the real development of the species in all fields and civilization as a whole. Societal relations rely on their economic foundations. Your goal is your goal.
A progressive line looks like this ->
People are dying of cancer and resources are being mismanaged as to not provide treatment or research / research is withheld back on purpose for cures for profit -> A mode of production allows the resources to allocate where they are needed to provide for the development of a cure and provide it to all who need.
Its this ->
its the direction that says you didn't live better before and you will adapt to transcend limitations.
I know your questions are malicious, you will respond back to my cancer example by "its the fault of industrialism and plastic" - of course it fucking is a factor, but nothing is allowing for its functionality to be replaced right now not because of limitations in resources but because production is oriented towards profit. You can't get cancer with hemp-based plastics, they hold biodegradability and leave no microplastics for you to ingest. You fucking luddite would rather drink water from a swine bladder and go through a trial of you and your offspring dying off to wild diseases to adapt to them like the uyghur who refused to wash - and come to write us leaflets about how "hygiene is fascism" on warzone distro. You contract the species' premise of growth and survival because your model is no more sustainable - you will die as a species before the sun explodes on the long term, lifestylist uyghur. When other humans adapt to all the diseases by research and develop transhumanist capabilities you still would rather play in mud hutts and abuse your tribe's children not to leave the tribe. There can be no isolation like that or a broad-scale societal implementation, people will always develop as they have from the beginning of time in a linear path and the lesser developed will be either integrated or become extinct.
If you try to drag down others down your road you will only bring extinction closer to yourself. There can be no going back.
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>cures for profit Correction - treatments not cures. Its always prolonged "treatments" to maximize profit.
>>2780810 (Me)
Malthusian schizophrenia looks a lot like the opposite of hoarding - any interaction with the environment is too much! Something will be wasted! And its conclusion is that of VHEMT - that the world is better without people and that the species should kill itself as to not harm the environment. A misanthropic fantasy of poverty disguised as glory that "the species is better off not progressing" stunting its development.
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You have nothing to add reactionary bastard, you admit that you fundamentally don't agree with the notion of progress and want to deprive the word of meaning. You cannot undermine anything because you are fundamentally in contradiction with anarchist-communism that seeks the betterment of society and not its complicity with poverty and rot.
>>2781684when 'the goal is the goal' it's a meaningless tautology. It's no different from capital accumulation. The rest of your words to me are water off a duck's back. I don't really have a personal issue with you. I just can't see how true anarchy can exist with normative ideas of progress.
>>2781692"The goal is the goal" is to say everyone has different goals and we seek a society where all goals are aligned to coincide, for that to occur one's goal and aspirations have to be mindful of others and responsible for themselves. A luddite like you aligns development with the growth of capital - as if there was no growth prior to capital, as if humanity and other species didn't grow and evolve before production. Growth is not intrinsic to capitalism, capitalism's growth is simply not sustainable. With a planned economy we can control and direct when and how it goes - we can stop where we meet limitations until a solution is figured, now with the market driven production there is no stopping it just goes AWOL until it runs out of shit to make profit off of. We need to plan our own growth and make careful considerations and everyone has to be involved or the entire species will end up killing itself along with the planet.
>I just can't see how true anarchy can exist with normative ideas of progressYou should have started off with this, its not in contradiction, freedom is to be responsible for oneself in relation to others - as to no undermine the premise, an "anarchy" is the premise that people either accept or not - to not rule and not be ruled, they have to cooperate and coordinate in common interest to lead to progress, anyone who defiles this relationship to try to prevent production, research and development is to overstep and rule over them.
>>2781700Even the fucking leftcoms have figured out this approach to limitations and written extensively on regrowth. We've overstepped our capacity and boundaries and are now suffering in an ecological crisis, but no one is stopping, not because most people don't acknowledge this but because the goddamn market forces wait to suck out all the possible resources they can profit off in production for production's sake - no goal and no plan to be had besides accumulating capital driven solely by profit, its all short term suicidal thinking, profit is fucking worthless in the long term, they want to rise their own status and be able to harness power by becoming greater market actors and this aspiration of the petite bourgeois to become big one day is only there since competition is encouraged instead of cooperation they want Darwinian apeshit and to get away with anything their ego wants by having so much wealth that no one can touch them out of purchasing power.
>>2777136>>2777128People from within the Ukrainian anarchist space have absolutely been against the war, Vyacheslav Azarov the author springs to mind, and the pacifist quaker anarchist types, then there are Ukranians who have had to escape who are part of anti-militarist initiatives in neighbouring countries.
I wonder what your ulterior motive is.
>>2781704Primmies look at this and at least acknowledge that they didn't have as much destructive capacity before, when they could just stroke their ego by brute force instead of purchasing power, they want retreat because they are afraid of the damage that can happen now. This is absurd, but its at least in fear of self-preservation, they still can't be reasoned with, even if it happened even if civilization collapsed it is not this notion of progress or development thats destructive, people could have killed each-other off long ago if they just started to scorch forests on fire. We could have all gone extinct by fire LONG AGO when the world population was much smaller. Their ambition for regress is not sustainable, they are disgusted by the word "sustainable" but its what they want, there is only way to meet "sustainability", its to instill absolute cooperation within society and plan all major actions, anything from construction projects, food production to going to space it all has to be planned, consulted and done with reason to not challenge the limitations of matter. There can be no reason with primmies still because they believe we're done for - completely fucked, that we're past the point of no return and everything is done for. As long as the species exist and as long as sapient life exists its not over, you have brains to think with and need to figure out how to resolve the issues, there is no ultimatum that says "GAME OVER" as long as people are still have cognition.
>>2781718Assemblia (Assembly) were pro-war and turned anti-war only when they distanced themselves from the label of anarchist, even though their views are still very much anarchist, they were repulsed by how the word has been distorted in Ukraine, there is no real anarchist movement there, there are only individual cases.
>>2781722Theres too much unnecessary shit being made right now, we're just fucking around with the planet's resources for fun and for profit. The logistics make no sense outside of the context of the market economy - importing wheat from five countries over to your own while your own country is selling off its own wheat, only because the wheat imported is cheaper and yours sells at a better price, this is the kind of retarded fucking shit wasteful of resources, how much fuel does this take to be happening constantly??? The bourgeois don't give a shit about fuel being scarce, they have no shits to give that this can't go on forever, they seek profit to gain purchasing power in the moment and YOLO.
>>2781723The pro-war 'anarchists' in Ukraine were just apolitical punks, useless SxE lifestylist types and Russian insurectos who were to pussy to go to Rojava are today either dead or completely broken from the wider anarchist space, the ones who are still alive are completely divorced from radical politics for now many years.
It is beyond pathetic to give these people the title of Ukrainian anarchist movement.
>>2781729This is just one example, ridiculous shit like this is happening all the time, all of production is like this. Its not just food, its all goods and services produced that are wasteful like this now. Everything is wasteful now, its not meant to last long. Primmies think this is an inevitable lead to fall, they don't think anyone can stop it but that collapse is inevitable, if collapse happens this cycle will continue as long as people are alive, no one can stop production its what sapience lead to. We have to control production properly if anyone wants a future and a life worth living for their needs to be fulfilled.
>>2781734I've been saying this for years, my anarchist federation still writes about this extensively. All of IFA and IWA-AIT know this, but some faggots who think the military chic of "anarchism" suits them want to parade themselves on behalf of all to promote natlib shit against class war. Comrade Georgi Konstantinov said that we have to first settle our accounts with them, we have to fight them off first before we can face on anyone else, modern anarchists may be "modern" but they are not anarchists at all, they are not the product of anarchism.
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Anarchism only got as big as it did when it was based in a secular immigrant industrial proletariat, or when it was effectively the basis of a national movement. The only place that has organic, large scale anarchism is Indonesia and that is solely because they are very active in organising the irregular economy and that anyone who even says the word communist gets legally gangraped (in all senses of that phrase).
Indonesian Anarchists are very based tho.
>>2781791They were heavily involved in the recent protests which has lead to a resurgence but considering how much their driver/rider unions are active I would say so.
Self identified anarchists have been increasingly mindbroken by queer-DNC-socdem nonviolence over the years. They're not crazy violent vitalists that peoples fear they're more like jarring but ultimately innofensive dyed hair polycules.
Tyler Robinson did some real old school anarchist mayhem and he probably would never identify as such.
>>2782312Shut up and go away, yanke.
>>2776884how can anarchism make a comeback if it never had motion in the first place?
From my local experience anarchist are more active in the street in the form of small scale riots and civil disobedience.
Communist parties have more ritualistic marches and visiting memorials.
The transformation from sign holding socialism to transformative socialism will require the segmentation from large parties to small groups.
In other words, the PSL is a kill list for ICE. Just one juicy database to dump into Palantir after enforcing the anti-communist enforcement act of 1953(?).
>>2776884your question is a leading one, based on an idea of anarchism as a chooseable model that can be implemented 'over' society, like democracy, communism, neoliberalism etc. You're essentially searching for a state that is implementing anarchism and that's why you'll never find it.
Anarchism, as an empirical fact of communities exisiting outside the state is way more common than Russian marxism inflected communist parties these days. Investigate any global south country that has conflict and you'll find anarchism
>>2777155Feels like communism is just a naive mindset trying way too hard to seem pure in a messed up world. Whenever liberals point out the flaws, communists just cry strawman. Seriously need some good books comparing the two, since I just don't get buying into a system that always gets wiped out before it actually helps anyone.
What's funny about lefypol is that
>>2796415 would normally get people banned but
>>2777155 is a-ok
>>2796360I think the anarchism that comes with conflict in third world countries and the anarchism promoted by westerners are very different and should be considered as much, ones an economic condition caused by collapse and typically just manifests in might is right gangsterism and warlordism until stability can be regained and typically another more stable ideology can maintain itself vs the ideologues who want an advanced form of anarchism
Anarchism will never be a political movement again until it can throw off the whole crust punk squatter lifestylist bs.
Which is not to say you can't like punk music or dress alt or squat a building. But anarchism shouldn't be a fashion and lifestyle choice if it's going to achieve anything ever. Your politics can't just be an aesthetic choice.
>>2796419Report them both.
>>2796443Aren't you the guy who tried to tell us the Dalai Lama was the head of Buddhism? Nobody cares what you think.
>>2796455Product of the 90s. A dead age, who cares.
>>2796460>no one must ever be wrong everok buddy, good luck with the vampire in the castle.
>>2796468Its not that you're retarded like you say, it's that you come here to spout nonsense you've done no reading on and are so egotistical to think anybody needs your uneducated and wrong takes.
No investigation, no right too speak.
>he larps that imageboards must be like a maoist book club
kinda cringe, I took the L, I advise you move on.
>>2796497
hall monitor energy
Everyone should hold hands in a big circle and sing The Internationale
>>2776893Popular fronts defeated the nazis
>>2777397Everyone's a liberal now
The definition of a popular front is important. Who is included and who is excluded.
Imagine that global war breaks out on the basis of class or politics. Marxists and Anarchists can team up of course but the fact is liberals, soc dems, all kinds of weird centrists will also try to infiltrate and join and dilute the cause, likewise so might nazbols and ACP, CPB, etc types and in either case they all must simply be vapourised on sight.
No thank god
>>2776888Yeah with Azov. Fascism is anarchism, read Haz
>>2796419Because leftypol's user base and mods are like 80% /pol/chad incels who just chose another team, it's painfully obvious that most people here are just posting from their parents basement, bitter and angry that nobody wants to fuck them.
I mean, just look at this thread, it is so fucking bad, I want to be compassionate but all these losers are just fucking repulsive and no movement or woman exists that could accommodate them with their deeply antisocial behavior and thought patterns. So many here will never leave the backseat, they will never do anything.
>>2797380>chad incels FUCK
Also, tbf the mods here are more like socdems instead of chuds
>>2797386>VoluntarismInvoluntarism
>>2797388>i uh i h-have free will, chudNo you dont
>>2797390Who gives a shit about something as meaningless of a concept as free will?
>waaaaaah everything is shit waaah
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