Can anarchism ever make a comeback? They don't seem to do much of anything nowadays. No propaganda of the deed, no cultural staying power, no media personalities. Baby leftists seem to not even be aware of it anymore.
>>2776884>seem toCause you're an individualist faggot, you're not in IFA and you didn't attend this year's CRIFA in Greece
>>2776888Pro-war "anarchists" are deluded liberals, an outcome of socialdemocratic astroturfing and the mistakes of popular frontism
>>2776891Popular frontism will always be a mistake
>>2776891For reference all of the federations present and active in IFA (and most of IWA-AIT from what I can see) are part of AMI (Antimilitarist Initiative) and refuse to take sides in bourgeois wars.
There is an initiative for action against US military bases, the final decision will be announced publicly after ratification.
>>2776909Ultras you know how most self-proclaimed "communists" online and in real life are MLs and succdems right? For anarchists, most self-proclaimed "anarchists" online and often in real life are succdems and liberals. You're just keen on conflating because of this disproportionate arrangement and general hostilities.
I've talked with ICPs, I know about red scepter, I know about your skeletons in the closet, but I don't go out to claim all ultras are like Lotta Communista. Or that Prometheus (Russia) are like the rest of Lotta Communista.
Instead of looking at the liberal retards like this I suggest talking to an actual anarchist federation or a proper organization. You would never think this but not only do we read all your criticism, we learn from it when it doesn't contradict our principles, for example the LC (from the italian school)'s stance on antifascism I share as a sentiment and so do others in the anarchist federation I'm part of.
On commodity production - we share the same sentiment, we share the same economic analysis. We largely diverge on methodology.
You likely insist on Bukharin's word of anarchism being the movement of the declassed and not of the working class. Most of us reject it, however there is also a thesis of the working class becoming declassed, which is very similar to what the ICC has on decomposition.
I know you're just fucking around for the most part but know that we hate these morons more than you do and generally consider them to be appropriating the name of anarchism rather than being a part of the movement.
There is a lot to talk about. Quit scratching this shit and consider getting in contact with an AC federation.
I'm an anarchist and I heil Hitler.
>>2776932In a city I lived in during a big working class upheaval leftcoms and anarchists were collaborating closely. I think there are some insecurities about purity and so on from some very sectarian people online because of the similar takes and activism from both (serious militants) of those groups.
>>2776949We don't want to collaborate with ultras, we are incompatible, our methodology is entirely different.
We don't have to kill each-other either, if our movement is unprepared to do anything then I give the go-ahead for ultras to do whatever they want. I don't care if I live under a bourgeois liberal government or a bourgeois government "of the workers". If they want to give their thesis on the instrumentality of the state a try (for the second time in history after the October revolution) they can go ahead. See the Apollon Karelin approach.
As long as our activity is not suppressed (it is largely just educational) there is no reason to resist when that outcome leads to nothing.
>>2776956And emphasis on want. We have collaborated when there was mutual benefit to it. This one delegate my federation is in contact with is allowed to stay at one of our places because he gives us intel on other organizations, of course he also collects intel from us but we have nothing to hide, so it is beneficial to let him stop by and use the place to sleep rather than shoo him out.
>>2776949Also what the fuck are we supposed to collaborate towards? Activism? The only "activism" my federation does is educational events where we hand out books for free (we pay with our own money from work to print them out) and talk to people. We don't attend any protests or demonstrations, it is pointless. Everyone does that these days and we don't want to march alongside liberals just for propaganda's sake. Growth for the sake of growth makes the basis of the federation retarded, if we just accept any moron who calls themselves an anarchist we will end up with bullshit like IWW In America, those morons still decide everything on a democratic basis - this is fundamentally wrong and democracy itself is rule of the majority and not the correct decision-making process. We have different forms of consensus but ultimately what makes decisions is analysis and arguments. Anyone who speaks of "direct-democracy" or "democracy" within anarchism is either deluded or mistakenly branding consensus and planning as "direct-democracy" because of popular jargon.
>>2776956>>2776962Well in an insurrectionary situation the goal is to smash the bourgeois state for both trough educating agitating and supporting the working class so there's clearly a juncture there, after this
.. not so much although you had people like Malatesta arguing for coexistence.
>>2776973>those morons still decide everything on a democratic basis - this is fundamentally wrong and democracy itself is rule of the majority and not the correct decision-making process. We have different forms of consensus but ultimately what makes decisions is analysis and arguments.That sounds a lot like parts of organic centralism you know
>>2776973My federation also agrees with Bordiga's writings against activism. And in general is against any sentiment that points towards reformism.
Not every federation within IFA is the same however, I see that a lot of the more libbed up ones still dickride "Rojava", the EZLN (NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT MIND YOU) and other failures. I can't speak for them. But I believe they are desperate to cling onto the closest thing resembling anarchism for the sake of proving themselves to be real.
I think all of these "anarcho-adjacent" projects are garbage and are not even within the history of the movement, especially the AC school. They are liberal deviations
>>2776984Insurrectionists? Lmao. Without proper coordination that leads to nothing.
And "smashing the state" has become such a banal cliche, we seek to change the mode of production first and foremost, the state instrument of repression is to be destroyed in the process when workers are coordinated enough through the federations to run production and logistics as to not require the services of the state or a market economy to exist.
>>2776990Right? But its just consensus to us. Its how we function now.
>>2776992>when workers are coordinated enough through the federations to run production and logistics as to not require the services of the state or a market economy to exist.This won't be anytime soon. It cannot be in isolation and must expand internationally. Any such attempt at "revolution" in isolation will be crushed like the Paris commune.
>>2776992Insurrectionists? Lmao. Without proper coordination that leads to nothing.
And "smashing the state" has become such a banal cliche, we seek to change the mode of production first and foremost, the state instrument of repression is to be destroyed in the process when workers are coordinated enough through the federations to run production and logistics as to not require the services of the state or a market economy to exist.
Except the workers don't wait for you to have magically coordinated everything to strike and riot when the social pressure cooks off and those events are not only good opportunities to be part of the class struggle but I would add the duty for those who claim to be a vanguard to be involved.
>>2777006>Except the workers don't wait for you to have magically coordinated everything to strike and riot when the social pressure cooks off and those events are not only good opportunities to be part of the class struggle but I would add the duty for those who claim to be a vanguard to be involved.Nobody can predict the future, if a crisis comes then we adjust, but we have principles to uphold (literal written principles) so every decision made must be in line with them rather than an attempt to opportunistically just gain momentum. We had several chances to attend "anti-government" riots and we didn't do it because we knew most of the rioters were controlled opposition by political parties and "anti-government" just meant replacing the current bourgeois liberal administration with another bourgeois liberal administration - it has happened before. A real ongoing crisis has to be assessed properly before engaging with it.
>>2777016For some more context on the example they tried to replace a pro-EU pro-NATO government cabinet with an "anti-corruption" pro-EU pro-NATO cabinet. There was no reason to engage. It was the same bullshit fiasco that followed the rest of the world with the odd "Gen Z protesters".
I believe those were instigated by bad faith actors from the west and didn't form organically, perhaps it was time to "clean out" the local oligarchs installed with new ones to give the workers false hope that reforming their nation does something.
It can’t because it is inherently stupid. YEAH I SAID IT! I’m no statist of course, everyone knows that states are an organ of class oppression but you need a dictatorship of the proletariat to protect socialism, look at what happened to Catalonia without a strong dictatorship of the proletariat, it got fucking invaded, if there is no state then other states will seek to conquer it, statelessness can only happen once every state is a dictatorship of the proletariat so then they can deteriorate, I still see anarchists as inalienable comrades though for the time being.
>>2777069Catalonia was a syndicalist popular frontist project, they made two major mistakes - collaborating with the republican bourgeois, starting a "revolution" as syndicalists in a time where they could not possibly expand (export the revolution) and getting stuck.
You dickhead are still stuck up on the semantics of "DOTP". We are for the abolition of class through the class struggle of the workers, we are not for a transitionary "instrumentality of the state" where a "state of the workers" is lead by a government "aligned with the interests of the workers by a party of the workers", we reject the notion that the state can be an instrument of the workers and insist that those operating it are automatically not aligned with the interests of the workers and are no longer part of the working class, but become managerial bourgeois. If they can somehow continue to be acting "for the workers" they ought to export the revolution worldwide and then liquidate immidiately, with production in the hands of the workers the state services are no longer needed and withering would be necessary because you would have no need for a repressive instrument of workers over workers, institutions and other means of maintaining class consciousness and a historical mission would continue regardless. You don't give managerial power to the workers and insist that a clique acting in their name from top can serve their interest. This is where our methodology deviates. We are for the liquidation of the bourgeois, that asserts a "DOTP" automatically without having to use a state instrument, we don't care about sentimentality of how "power of one over another is a hierarchy", a slave revolt is always justified.
>>2777091>. We are for the abolition of class through the class struggle of the workers, I.E. As long as the working class are the revolutionary subject, analysis is needed if class relations are subject to change with any significant shifts under the current mode of production, say for example (just an imaginary example) automation rendering the manual workforce useless to the bourgeois pushing them away from even holding a role in a gig economy (of course this hasn't happened yet, but if it were to be the case, the workers would no longer be the revolutionary subject, it would be the declassed "masses").
>>2776884tbh I thought the argument made by desert that climate change would create a situation where the agricultural surplus and carrying capacity needed for a settled state society will cease to exist over large areas that will be inhabited by various non-state formations like nomads and village communes was compelling. That being in the past those kinds of societies were still pretty hierarchical so not exactly the same thing Kropotkin and Mahkno envisioned at all.
>>2776888>ukraine>>2776891>Pro-war "anarchists" are deluded liberalsWe must never forget this hilarious article:
https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraineLeftists: "You're a crazy fascist for saying 'antifa will always work to destroy the Stalinist authoritarian state, fighting alongside Soros finance imperialists and nazis'"
Ukrainian anarchists: (writing entire blogs of justifications for why they believe in doing exactly that and why they're actually just smol bean little weaklings whose anarchist individualism means they're powerless to effect any collective action so all of this is totally not their fault uwu)
even this NATO organization agrees that the EU was the exploitative globalist finance imperialist side rather than Russia's trade deals:
https://natoassociation.ca/why-yanukovych-was-right-to-exercise-caution-with-the-eu-ukraine-deal-part-2/whoever controls their world-historic farmland that feeds the world, can control the world:
https://www.brettonwoodsproject.org/2023/04/corporations-are-expanding-control-over-ukraines-land-with-help-from-the-imf-and-the-world-bank/https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/our-take/who-really-benefits-creation-land-market-ukraine(and also:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/after-years-war-with-russia-ukraines-farmers-are-hit-by-iran-conflict-2026-04-10/)
and now thanks to these anarchists, BlackRock is controlling Ukraine's fate:
https://europeanbusinessmagazine.com/business/what-is-blackrocks-800-billion-ukraine-prosperity-plan-critical-minerals-and-reconstruction-explained/ >>2777091>If they can somehow continue to be acting "for the workers" they ought to export the revolution worldwide and then liquidate immidiatelyYeah that was/is the goal of mostly every Marxist country on the planet, yeah non of them are doing it now of course but that is because they can’t, Cuba has been at gunpoint from America for decades so if they started funding revolutions like how they did before the collapse of the USSR then America would just invade. So that is why Cuba is trying to focus on socialism only on their country, you seem to misunderstand how brutally powerful of a force capitalism is, not even a middle power can go against whatever capitalism wants, the only transitional socialist state that could fund revolutions abroad is China but Xi doesn’t have that dog in him. You really seem to think that a country like Botswana could just have an Anarchist takeover and spread revolution abroad which is stupid, Botswana would just get invaded and then it will be replaced by a dictatorship that will set up death squadrons against leftists. In order to do bring about a classless, stateless society you need to build a socialist superpower first.
>>2777128Ukraine at the moment doesn't have an anarchist movement, it has natopolitian "national-anarchists" liberals and neo-fascists
https://libcom.org/article/war-anarchismhttps://libcom.org/article/i-would-prefer-revolutionary-internationalism >>2777135This discussion is getting too long, I don't have time to get into analysis of the "AES" states or exchange feedback.
>You really seem to think that a country like Botswana could just have an Anarchist takeover and spread revolution abroadNo you're just pushing words into my mouth, I didn't say anything like that, in fact I wrote the opposite - if a revolution is to occur it must be on at least a continental scale.
>>2777143>No you're just pushing words into my mouth, I didn't say anything like that, in fact I wrote the opposite - if a revolution is to occur it must be on at least a continental scale.And this is also why I believe Catalonia never stood a chance and shouldn't have happened at all. It was just a waste of lives.
Feels like anarchism is just a naive mindset trying way too hard to seem pure in a messed up world. Whenever communists point out the flaws, anarchists just cry strawman. Seriously need some good books comparing the two, since I just don't get buying into a system that always gets wiped out before it actually helps anyone.
>>2776888Bait 100% go back to israel
>>2777155>I just don't get buying into a system that always gets wiped out before it actually helps anyone.All other movements against the capitalist mode of production have met with historical failures too. A movement that works must learn from its historical failures before making another attempt at an uprising, otherwise what's the point? I can say the exact same for the "communist" movement. Why do you stalinists love to infantilize your opponents so much when most of us are older than you? You should be glad to have younger people in your organization, older people are busy with families.
>>2777155I think that's what it is. I've ran through it in my head, but keep coming back to the idea that systems will just naturally form and authority will be established that will end up back at square one. Anarchy is unnatural. Systems of government were instituted among people for a reason.
They might say the following video is reductionist, and narrow minded because it centers around the need to defuse a nuclear power plant meltdown, but the meltdown is an allegory for all peace and wellbeing, and the character who says they only want to watch movies is both the hopeful anarchist and the same figure that would in the actual situation would end up trading up his ideal for comforts again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBospQs9Hk >>2777155> comparing the twoduring the first international the material contradiction between the two movements was that one was based out of dispossessed peasantry in rural peripheries without centralized government and production and the other was based out of industrial wage laborers in the newly formed urban areas with centralized government and production.
>>2777177I don't care about some abstract notion of authority if it leads to proper management. It tends to lead to mismanagement when solidified - you need to have reason as to why a person needs to manage other people. We have a secretariat for IFA, would you call that authority? A treasurer for the federation. A moderator for the discussion. If an authoritative role is needed it should be fulfilled, if a task can be fulfilled without it requiring oversight then it should. There is no such dogma as "without authority". Anarchism means without rulers, there is no consensus on where you draw the line at "ruler" and it seems almost subjective so the bare minimum we agree to is against the initiative of anyone who contradicts the principles of the organization and goes against development.
>>2777199Everyone on the internet is just fighting ghosts and shit that doesn't exist in practice. Some still think that Proudhon is some stepping stone to all schools of anarchism and that attacking him crumbles the entire foundation, no we've discarded Proudhon and Bakunin ourselves because the school of AC starts after the death of Bakunin with Malatesta and Carlo Cafiero (who adhered to Marx's analysis of capitalism), whatever meaningful contributions they've made we've taken as long as they don't contradict our positions, some still idolize them but that doesn't matter when nothing of what's written can be put into work.
>>2777167>you stalinists Lmao. The reason anarchism always fails before doing any good is that you guys are just limpdick liberal pieces of shit. The CIA loves you for being wreckers.
>>2777218You call everyone CIA dickwad
>>2777199>if it leads to proper managementSure, and anarchy would be a good way to shake things up. But governance is going to arise and "solidify". You can say it's nihilistic, however, it is just true on the face of the issue. There are organizations that are more organized and thoughtful than any single one of us disorganized people with the thoughts and they've had practice at this, from the inside, which we are without. That's all.
>>2777221>But governance is going to arise and "solidify"There's no contradiction on the administration of things and what we're striving for. We cannot compromise with methodology.
>>2777224>we're strivingYou should keep doing that, that's the only thing to do. But I will say again that there is a competition that exists without striving, beyond the power of the individual that exists within whats palatable to the masses, and though that palate is well-traveled and curious, it remains under categorical frameworks that provide psychological security over actual implementation of ideals. Although those ideals can be emboldened, taught, rote memorized, they will soon fall short to the psychological base needs and quickly lose their brilliant aura. Those needs can be goaded and twisted, and your utopian society turns to rot if only given time. Some say that hyper vigilance and dedication is anti-dote to this natural (if i may) process, but it is only tending to the wounds of the decaying corpse that from when it is birthed in it's brilliance begins to die all the same. The idealic beauty of the system birthed out of vainglorious idealism becomess mummified and then lambasted for it's archaism over time. There are then opinions that form, and opinions are easily changed that we should no longer venerate the mummy but poke fun at it. Perhaps we should destroy the mummy as it is an anachronism to the current system which has proved itself much more deserving of our dedication and veneration. And thus the dominoes fall. And so on, and so on.
>>2777236>your utopian societyStopped reading there, all against idealism. My federation has declared materialism to be foundational in its principles, anyone striving for a "utopia" is a liberal moron. Like Marx said, we call communism the real movement against the present state of things.
>>2777243You should try to engage with the rest, how about if I massage your ego by saying that communist might be a good intermediary as with anarchy towards another system doomed to fail eventually.
>>2777245We strive for the survival and development of civilization. There can be no stopping point to say "this is it, we've created utopia, we need no more".
>communist might be a good intermediary as with anarchyTo AC the two are interlinked.
> towards another system doomed to fail eventuallyI'm not implying that the next mode of production will fail, that would be luddic Imo. Luddites and other reactionaries bring the idea that any form of production and civilization as a whole is doomed to fail because of scarcity. Everyone on here who doesn't belong to either ought to be pushing to overcome such challenges via proper management through utilitarian means. Living in wild nature is no more sustainable than living in an advanced civilization depleting its planet's resources - both species would inevitably die out, but one could possibly adapt and evolve to something else.
>>2777253Not a luddite by the way, but the "Ideal" I believe involves a rise and a managed decline. I think that in your striving, you contribute to both the decline and what is rebirthed from the ashes of that which you had built. And I salute you for your efforts in the continuing dialogue of "What is to be done?". To your note on pushing utilitarianism, I think moral utilitarianism is completely absurd, and that it's child "Utilitarianism" as means to organize society, in the most efficient way to save "the something that is civilization is it's bastard child.
>>2777220>Throwing stones from your anarkkkiddie glass houseLol
>>2777276There is an issue with species-level eschatology that approaches the ideal (having it's own aforementioned faults) which has been recreated in Christianity as a world religion and we have enough historical context to understand it's faults and thereby the faults of species-level eschatology itself. The striving is similar to that of communists, that is creating a world religion, and is that not what Marx Q.E.D. when he said his movement was a "global" one. You see, we are trading even now one world religion for another. That can be described as "striving" perhaps, but the Christians did strive to that end as well and it's fruits were again short lived, as the fruits of global communism will be. The organizers of all these ideologies, even in the meta sense, see civilization as an ever-lasting tree which only if pruned correctly will always bear fruit. And to argue from a point of nature, if I am allowed to say that we are one with nature… Am I? That evolution, as you show in your image is process in which races are pruned periodically, but who and what is doing the pruning and what in their mind is their aim, and if you prune to harshly you kill the fruit-bearing tree entire. I'm rambling now…
Anarchism only works on small scales and due to the internet, people are primed to think of politics on national or even international scales where it's simply not possible to do without a state. I think technology has simply left it behind. You could make the argument that it would be worthwhile to have a compromised version of it present at lower levels of society, but it is simply never going to work writ large.
>>2777316>You could make the argument that it would be worthwhile to have a compromised version of it present at lower levels of society, but it is simply never going to work writ large.this basically my view that anarchist societies could exist(especially in rural areas) as autonomous regions within a broader DotP, similar to how the amish and mennonites just have random communities scattered across rural regions.
>>2777326If the movement only leads to rural shitholes instead of development then I'd rather not be an anarchist. The passage of time will tell what works and what doesn't.
>>2777316>Anarchism only works on small scales and due to the internet, people are primed to think of politics on national or even international scales where it's simply not possible to do without a state. >I think technology has simply left it behind.I think you are wrong.
>I think technology has simply left it behind.I think that technology can embolden anarchism under a certain framework that if left untouched (big if), could give birth to a completely novel civilization. But none have the balls to keep their hands out the pie.
>>2777332>If the movement only leads to rural shitholes instead of development then I'd rather not be an anarchistDevelopment will occur whether you want it to or not. Every civilization started as a "rural shithole" no?
>>2777340I meant if it leads to regress and stagnation.
>Development will occur whether you want it to or not.As it should.
I think anarchism isnt destroyed by technology, if anything things like image boards are inherently anarchist, its a hive mind of chaos and people with no identity, or rather people trolling trolls trolling trolls, being anon.
you might remember the early 4chan meme of v for vendetta masks.
>>2777346The bill of goods that I attempted to sell in my previous posts accepts regress and stagnation as a natural cycle. And that regress and stagnation leads to renewal, and so those aren't contradictory but inherent to development, as I've attempted to explicate. That you lambast the rural, and praise the Urban, or as Marx would like there to be little distinction between the two because he lambasts the rural for that reason is a philosophy that attempts to destroy in my estimation the fertile soil for renewal. In his idea of global communism he doesn't want the rural to exists for various reasons, he wishes to deny the seed of rural living because he intends for the elimination of all progress in substitute for his idea of 'progress eternal', but now we are arguing Marx and not anarchy.
>>2777364It's interesting that you make that substitution when when his magnum opus was titled and followed "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race". The work recognizes the consequences of industrialization and gives what you call 'primitivism' or a rejection of those consequence as is privy to industrialization as it's antidote. A rejection of the consequence of industrialization is isn't an embrace of anarchy, it is merely a rejection of the aforementioned consequences. Good mention on him, we can take his work in isolation of it's consequences right? lol.
>>2777364Ted was not an anarchist and Zerzan was a marxist philosopher, neo-luddism and primitivism are anti-anarchist. They are defeatist beliefs wholly used by bourgeois states and malicious actors, the most reactionary beliefs that exist. O9A's ITS is what primitivism and neo-luddism boils down to.
>>2777367Why are they not anarchist? Ted called himself an anarchist and many primitivists do. Yes he was influenced by Zerzan and Jacques Ellul's The Technological Society
>>2777373>Why are they not anarchist?Anarchim is for progress not regress, it is against rulers - if they want to bring societal regress or collapse they will have to become rulers and fight us for it, all the AC school does not recognize primitivism as a legitimate school of anarchism.
Ted could've called himself anything, it is as legitimate as Rothbard proclaiming himself an "anarcho-capitalist" and the likes of "National-Anarchists", "Anarcho-Fascists", the whole school of "primitivists" is that of reactionary scum and LARPers.
Zerzan is the same as Camatte but it likely Zerzan intended to cripple the anarchist movement by bringing it towards reactionism.
>>2777364there was a short time in the 2010s when ted was popular, mostly with pol and fascists types because he had the foresight to hate leftist identity politics and write about it, i recall there was a movement on twitter called pinetree twitter, but that died because how you going to be both extremely online and an an prim lol
>>2777382they loved the part where he psychoanalysed the 'leftist' mentality, yet they ignore the part where he criticised reactionaries and called them fools lol
>>2777377IFA (the anarchist international) and IWA-AIT (the anarcho-syndicalist international) are for the destruction of primitivism as the most reactionary ideology.
The movement of people for technological advancement coordinating within IFA across federations has vouched to exterminate primitivism as a whole.
>>2777384We need to dismantle the idea of reactionary as a slur. If you've done ANY philosophy or politicking, it's reactionary in practice and custom. It's one of those words that I will use, but when I type it out, I wonder why the fuck I
feel the need to just automatically use that word. If we are trying to use that term to describe the past as wholly bad, then I think it should be gotten rid of. Even as it's used now, it's anachronistic. Using reactionary as a descriptor is itself reactionary. k?
let's hope not
>>2777389Reactionary literally means opposing societal progress, that's the whole premise of primitivism and neo-luddism.
>>2776891all anarchists are liberals thoughbeit
>>2777395>Reactionary literally means opposing societal progressI know. But that's not how it's used right now. The new term represents a reaction to the modern left's idiosyncrasies, which are obviously not "societal progress" and we can all admit that. It's the reframing of "Neo" at the micro level of politics as it happens. The term being used as a slur is anachronistic, i mentioned that. I don't really need to dissolve the term's historical meaning because it's already happening.
>>2777397All communists are Hoxhaists
>>2776949leftists almost always collaborate irl but it's under the premise that the other guys can be redeemed from their retardedness
>>2776992>the state instrument of repression is to be destroyed in the process when workers are coordinated enough through the federations to run production and logistics as to not require the services of the state or a market economy to existmay I suggest a 5 year plan model in this direction
>>2777410forgot my flag btw
>>2777199yeah this is the reason I stopped being an anarchist at 13
>>2777430Anarchists follow that same reason, you're fighting ghosts - things that do not exist in real life
>>2776888Azov is Actually existing anarchism (antisemitic and russophobe)
>>2777408>leftists almost always collaborate irlThe left holds the monopoly on IRL collab, idk how far back in history I would have to go where this was not the case. I've always gave them credit for this. Ofc they have the emergent based transhumanist class now too. There is a confluence of interests that propel them to the front of activism and it's not just institutional support.
Chud Algo pull concerning leftist orgs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfe_xkZm6Vc >>2777332I only say rural areas since off the top of my head the Free Territory, KPAM and most of anarchist Catalonia were fairly rural
Anarchists generally do infinitely more them everyone on this board combined lmao
Anyway, anarchist thought will play a big role in the future of organizing as industrial global society crumbles apart, the idea of a global revolution and communist order is a spook and always was an extremely naive idea, If the choice was socialism or barbarism, barbarism has won, there never was a competition tbh. You should accept this and adapt your vision and actions accordingly, even if you continue to believe in vanguardism. But most of you cling to a deeply perverted version of 20th century socialism.
it's always very funny how everyone on this board goes "anarkiddie" but then continues to believe that we somehow will get a global communist society which is as infantile as believing jesus is coming back to save us, but it's ok because it is all scientific somehow.
The party is over and the hangover will be painful, it already is for most of the world.
>>2777542truke
>>2777551giga truke
its rare to see a post this sober on this larp asylum
>>2777542Since when did burning trash cans, smoking weed, and squatting in abandoned construction sites become re-categorized as "infinitely more"?
>>2777673>Since whensince the alternative to anarkiddie praxis is just electoralism since all the important communist parties decided to give up decades ago and became social-democrats
>>2777685>since the alternative to anarkiddie praxis isBeing a depressed contrarian communist
>>2777692pretty much, thats the fate of any communist that doesn't cuck out to any type of lassalleanslop in the current political scenario
When Stalin created Israel, I was burning trashcans.
When Mao killed the birds I was squatting in abandoned construction sites.
When the Gonzalo was boiling babies I was smoking weed.
We are not the same
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