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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

<OPEN. THE. STRAIT. ringringringringringringring Edition

OP Backup Site: https://usapol.neocities.org/

💀 ICE & Prison Resources

(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)

• ICE tracker using public info and user submissions // https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
• list of deaths at ICE concentration camps // https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
• visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
• Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in (RANT Collective) // https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
• database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites // https://alcpress.org/usjails/index.html
• list of prison related resources, mailing lists, etc // https://www.prisonactivist.org/resources
• ICE Agent List (incomplete) // https://wiki.icelist.is/index.php/Category:Agents
• US Political Prison Tracker (last updated 2025) // https://uspoliticalprisoners.com/

Jailhouse Reading:

• 📖 Angela Davis - Are Prisons Obsolete? // https://dn790007.ca.archive.org/0/items/the-anarchist-library-full-list-of-pdfs-nov-2020/angela-y-davis-are-prisons-obsolete.pdf
• 📖 How to Defend Yourself During Police Interrogation // https://www.notrace.how/resources/download/comment-la-police-interroge-et-comment-sen-defendre/how-to-defend-yourself-during-a-police-interrogation.pdf
• 📖 National Lawyers Guild guide to being a jailhouse lawyer // https://www.jailhouselaw.org/
• 📖 Critical Resistance - Surviving Solitary Confinement // https://criticalresistance.org/resources/surviving-solitary/
• 📖 An inside-outside publication for abolitionist struggle & strategy across prison walls // https://criticalresistance.org/abolitionist/
• 📖 Prisoners’ Self-Help Litigation Manual // https://api.pageplace.de/preview/DT0400.9780199705665_A35159258/preview-9780199705665_A35159258.pdf

⚒️ LABOR!

• Live strike tracker with deep stats on who, what and when // https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/
• AFL-CIO [imperialist]'s Strike Tracker // https://aflcio.org/strike-map
• Labor Bureau's Official 'work stoppage' tracker // https://www.bls.gov/wsp/
• IWW timeline for the 20th century (ends at 1999) // https://archive.iww.org/history/chronology/
• IWW Work Place Organizing Guide // https://usa.anarchistlibraries.net/library/industrial-workers-of-the-world-libcom-org-solidarity-federation-walthamstow-anarchist-group-wo
• ▶ Salting | Work Place Organizing 101 (50 minute webinar) // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHlCLyM4FY

⚖️ Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸

• deep list of horrible shit we (royal we) have done // https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
• Coups and regime changes – master list // https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
• Wikipedia: United States War Crimes // https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
• /our boys/ (bring em home!) detail abusing Iraqi prisoners [2006] // https://www.hrw.org/report/2006/07/22/no-blood-no-foul/soldiers-accounts-detainee-abuse-iraq
• More than 250 military interventions in the last 30 years alone // https://blackagendareport.com/us-launched-251-military-interventions-1991-and-469-1798
• Visualization of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade // https://www.slavevoyages.org/
• UNESCO Sites relating to Slavery // https://slaveryandremembrance.org/
• First Hand Documents of the horrors of Slavery // https://www.loc.gov/collections/slave-narratives-from-the-federal-writers-project-1936-to-1938/

📺 Glowie News 📺

(sponsored by the Burger Eagle Freedom Institute (formerly USAID))

• CNN Live // https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
• MSNBC Live // https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
• FOX Live // https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
• Bloomberg Live // https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us
• Burger House Live // https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
• Local News // https://www.50states.com/ce/
• Weather // https://www.noaa.gov/weather

📺 Gommie News 📺

• Jacobin // https://jacobin.com/
• Black Agenda Report // https://blackagendareport.com/
• The Grayzone // https://thegrayzone.com/
• Leftvoice // https://www.leftvoice.org/
• Newsanon Filter // https://leftypol.org/search.php?search=name%3A%22News+Anon+3.0%22&board=leftypol

🏝️ Epstein's Client List 🇮🇱

• Epstein's Black Book // https://epsteinsblackbook.com/
• DOJ Disclosures // https://www.justice.gov/epstein/doj-disclosures
• Track AIPAC // https://www.trackaipac.com/
• Al Jazeera visual guide (2026) // https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/10/struggling-to-navigate-the-epstein-files-here-is-a-visual-guide

Essential American Politik 📖

• 📖 WEB Du Bois - Black Reconstruction // https://cominsitu.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/w-e-b-du-bois-black-reconstruction-an-essay-toward-a-history-of-the-part-which-black-folk-played-in-the-attempt-to-reconstruct-democracy-2.pdf
• 📖 Eugene Debs - Fourth of July Speech // https://jacobin.com/2020/07/eugene-debs-independence-day-address-fourth-july
• 📖 Power Anywhere There's People! – Fred Hampton // https://www.hamptonthink.org/read/power-anywhere-where-thats-people-fred-hampton
• 📖 War is a Racket – Smedley Butler // https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
• 📖 Letters From an American Farmer – St. John de Crevoecoeur // https://americanliterature.com/author/j-hector-st-john-de-crevoecoeur/book/letters-from-an-american-farmer/summary
• 📖 Trail of Broken Treaties // American Indian Movement https://www.usu.edu/mountainwest/files/bennion-workshop/trail-of-broken-treaties-20-point-position-paper-1972.pdf
• 📖 The Declaration of Independence https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
• https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
• 📖 The Ballot or the Bullet – Malcolm X // https://www.gilderlehrman.org/sites/default/files/inline-pdfs/ballot_or_bullet.pdf
• 📖 What to the Slave is the Fourth of July? – Frederick Douglass // https://www.gilderlehrman.org/sites/default/files/inline-pdfs/douglass_july_4_speech.pdf
• 📖 A Trail of Broken Treaties – American Indian Movement // https://www.usu.edu/mountainwest/files/bennion-workshop/trail-of-broken-treaties-20-point-position-paper-1972.pdf
• 📖 Custer Died for Your Sins – Vine Deloria Jr. // http://www.riversimulator.org/Resources/Books/CusterDiedForYourSinsAnIndianManifesto1969Deloria.pdf
• 📖 Emancipation Proclamation – Lincoln // https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/emancipation-proclamation
• 📖 Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville // https://americanliterature.com/author/alexis-de-tocqueville/book/democracy-in-america/summary
• 📖 Common Sense – Thomas Paine // https://americainclass.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Common-Sense-Full-Text.pdf
• 📖 An Indigenous History of the United States – Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz // https://nycstandswithstandingrock.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dunbar-ortiz-2014.pdf
• 📖 Huey Long – Share Our Wealth // https://www.hueylong.com/programs/share-our-wealth/huey-longs-share-our-wealth-speech

Which side are you on? - Pete Seeger

▶ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKMwWZVpPE

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>>2783619
Voting for president in the US is legitimately useless unless you vote 3rd party or in a swing state. If you're somewhere like California, Minnesota, Texas, or Alabama it's already decided where the electoral votes will go.
But 3rd parties getting 5% allows them to get federal funding and enough of a thorn in the side of the duopoly that they have to discuss unpleasant platforms

>>2783653
Commies allowed the hogs to burn section 8 housing to the ground because muh Israel, because working class families are Zionist for immigrating to America.

>>2783656
>still zero args

>>2783663
>>2783663
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>2783667
Why?

>>2783663
schizo nonsense, wtf

>>2783670
Dude is a fucking nut case who knows nothing about Marx or Engels' works. Anything they don't like, they just say it's commie, commie, commie. Fucking dumbasses.

keynes literally said to make people dig holes and fill them up again to make fake jobs and waste productive forces for the sake of profit and price stability. that is literally what data centers are. that's why they are a destructive force and not a productive force. it's no different than burning coffee for fuel in the ships or killing workers in imperialist wars. capital is so addicted to its profit rate that it will literally become reactionary against the very thing that once made it progressive versus feudalism: productive forces. it is absolutely essential that we do not misdiagnose the problem as tech itself.

>>2783672
Do you not agree? If given the choice would you rather help the families that come to America? or sacrifice them if it means a dozen Israelis go without power for a week.

>>2783678
you said owners of costco are communist and burning down section 8 is communist. you clearly have no idea what communism is and just use it as a word for "things i don't like"

>>2783676
Nobody here is anti-tech, it's just blatantly obvious that in America at least "AI" in its current form is either overwhelmingly used for propaganda, CSAM, "vibes coding" that doesn't actually work, and blowing up schools in Iran. Combine that with shit where they try to bring back your dead grandma with AI or use it to determine pre-crime and it's little wonder a lot of people take issue with it and use terms like "Butlerian Jihad" because as it happens these things fucking suck

>>2783678
>would you rather help the families that come to America
depends on whether they are anticommunist reactionaries and petty bourgeoisie who are mad castro took their slaves, or if they are workers fleeing imperialism

>>2783662
who? the ACP?

>>2783680
Gotcha buddy. Thank you for answering. I appreciate you.

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>>2783685
>Nobody here is anti-tech
maybe but they ignore my basic questions that try to pin down their actual position and get them to clarify whether they are anti tech or not

and they are clearly against educating the workers on the difference between mode and means of production and they engage in neo luddite sloganeering and call people who educate the workers pretentious and falsely claim that i love big tech and ai slop and ignore what i am actually saying over and over. not even so much as an answer to a question or acknowledging my point. you're the exception here. highly frustrating shit.

> it's just blatantly obvious that in America at least "AI" in its current form is either overwhelmingly used for propaganda, CSAM, "vibes coding" that doesn't actually work, and blowing up schools in Iran. Combine that with shit where they try to bring back your dead grandma with AI or use it to determine pre-crime and it's little wonder a lot of people take issue with it and use terms like "Butlerian Jihad" because as it happens these things fucking suck
in moments like these it is even more crucial to show people that it is not technology that is the problem but how the capitalists use it, but i see a lot of neo luddism these days. plenty of petty bourgeoisie love capitalism but resent tech for putting them out of business. they become reactionary against change but still do not oppose the mode of production itself. they think they can go "back" to a time "before tech ruined my life" because they have no marxist theory of tech. this is way more common than people here seem to think.

>>2783686
Ah nah it doesn't work that way. You don't get to know anything about them. They are all human beans, that's all you get to know.

>>2783694
that's incorrect. you can in fact distinguish between the haitians fleeing climate change and the latest US coup attempt that ICE was deployed on horses to literally whip like slave masters, and the neo fascist boers that trump rolled out the red carpet for.

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>>2783694

>>2783697
Oh the south african people fleeing the bbc. I was like wtf is a boer lol. Yeah sure

>>2783704
> I was like wtf is a boer lol.
elon musk is king of the boers

>>2783651
You keep going "answer the question! Why can't you answer the question! Answer the question!" When I already laid out my thoughts on AI in this fucking thread.

Seriously. Right here: >>2783022
It basically answers your question already.

>>2783705
Is he? He's also king of twitter.

>>2783693
I think you're extrapolating way too much from a meme slogan from a book series, but let's move on from that for now. Yes, technology is not inherently good or bad, it all depends on who's using it and what they're using it for, and right now in the west LLMs are largely used for the stuff I mentioned earlier. But if you're really concerned about people regressing into "luddism", instead of making appeals to the means of production it might be more productive if you address it by explaining how such-and-such technology could be used to improve our lives without egregious damage to the environment

I say seize the means of AI, but if you think mass murdering is better I'll add it to your notes dude

>>2783708
>how such-and-such technology could be used to improve our lives without egregious damage to the environment
i've already explained that AI slop doesn't improve anything because it's a destructive force rather than a productive force. it is keynes's recommendation that instead of moving onto socialism we give people fake jobs digging holes and filling them up again. but machine learning has non-slop applications and i suggest you look into what china is doing to reduce the carbon footprint of "AI" in its actual STEM applications which are far more numerous and difficult to articulate in a short post. but to answer your question briefly there are a lot of actually useful, lower-impact ways people use machine learning that don’t involve giant models or data centers. for example, smaller models in precision agriculture help farmers use less water and fertilizer by making better predictions about soil and weather, and simple anomaly detection systems can improve energy efficiency by catching waste or equipment problems early. in healthcare, lightweight models can help read scans or prioritize patients without huge computational needs, and in transportation they can smooth traffic flow or optimize routes to save fuel. stuff like this is more about using well-targeted, efficient models than throwing massive amounts of constant capital in the form of wasted GPUs at a problem.

>>2783706
ok i will read your post that i did not see before

>>2783712
It’s USApol, the honeypot for burgerland’s inevitable first Maoist mass shooter

AI is the printing press of coding

>>2783619
Youre doing it AGAIN. Anytime platner is mentioned you act like we shouldnt talk about him. Why? Do you really think anyone who questions your failing strategy is the problem? Do you actually think your party's strategy is working?

I wholeheartesly support our Party's strategy of voting against fascism. I just dont understand why you are so dishonest about it.

>>2783718
maga communism and nazbol are the ai of political ideology

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>>2783022
>I think one of the big issues with the AI craze is like: what is AGI supposed to accomplish? I see a lot of tech bros who've got this pseudo-fantasy view of it, that they're basically creating some omniscient machine god that'll be able to solve all their problems.
we aren't anywhere near "AGI" and that's a weird goalpost to have in this conversation imo.
> I think we can agree that Capitalism evolves these contradictions which fundamentally undermine it,
yes
>some of these contradictions are so serious that you essentially have to transcend Capitalism to resolve them.
yes and one of those contradictions is that people confuse productive and destructive forces, and lash out with neoluddite slogans. they attack the means rather than the mode of production. something marx warned about in capital volume 1, which has manifested in a new way today. theoretical education is still needed even when agitation and sorelian mythmaking yield faster results. you can see debates between lenin, trotsky, and bukharin in the early 20s surrounding these same questions. same with the "dengism vs. ultras" false dilemma. these questions don't disappear once the workers seize power.
>Look at Elon Musk's frequent attempts to make Grok "not woke" or whatever. He throws a temper tantum and gets in the guts of the thing whenever it contradicts him, which has led to people easily breaking Grok's ai by asking it the Trolley problem with such absurd questions as "Would you save every single child on earth or pull the lever and let a bit of mud get on Elon's suit?" And Grok responding that the death of every child on earth is a small price to pay for Elon's suit to be clean.
i have no comment on this because this is just about elon musk being a giant manbaby
> It reminds me of this story I heard that you had these scientists build a model to try and find the perfect way to reduce traffic. Y'know, no more getting stuck for an hour on the 405, that sorta stuff. Well the model kept reinventing "public transit" again and again, and so you had these scientists fruitlessly tinker with the model over and over because the solution HAD to be one designed around a car-centric culture, and frankly the best we could do in that regard is just "build another lane".
that's literally the field i work in which is why i keep ranting about this stuff. it's really frustrating
>So lets say these guys actually do manage to build HAL or Cortana or Durandal. They build their machine god and say "Oh Machine God, how do we reverse climate change?" It analyzes all the data, and it returns: "Ban private jet travel, build public transportation and high-density housing, convert deserts into solar farms." Well, these guys would just as easily wrinkle their nose and say "Well SOMETHING must have gone wrong!" And then lobotomize the fucking thing in hopes of some other solution.
yes. no comment. just yes.

>I don't think even if we get AGI, assuming its possible, that we'd even keep it under class society. I think that the tech bros, that a segment of the bourgeoisie, have adopted a completely magical worldview. They want solutions that are impossible, in a sense. Its like a guy desperate to lose weight, so someone tells him to go to the gym:
[…]


>There's a guy a friend of a friend of mine knows. He works on his feet, but outside of that he's got a wholly sedentary lifestyle. He drinks to excess. He's a diabetic. The guy is overweight and his health suffers because of it.

>So what happens when Ozempic comes out? He takes it and it changes nothing, because he's still drinking a ton of his calories, he's still not exercising, he conceives of Ozempic as a magic injection that just makes you skinnier. I think we'll see the same, more and more, with tech bros and advanced AI. It's supposed to "solve" problems, but whatever solution it comes up with will be unacceptable when you make money not solving the problem.

yes but that's a problem with the mode of production and i don't see how "butlerian jihad" is an articulated marxist answer to that or how this answers my questions like you said it would, no offense intended.

>>2783672

>>2783022
>Sam Altman: "Once we've built this general intelligence, we will ask it how to generate an investment return."

>>2783619
>because with Trump invading Iran and apparently planning to invade and occupy Cuba its been shown how useless the "don't vote, just whine online that no one is blowing up munitions factories" crowd is.
The maases arent the principal factor of your own failure, as you believe. The masses arent wrong, you are wrong. As "useless" as the masses are, youre worse because Cpusa is worse than useless. Cpusa and their errors are the reason we are here, not because masses call zohran or bernie a zio on twitter, not because the masses refused to be fooled by cpusa everfailing strategy.

>>2783304
Truth Nuke

>>2783721
>Do you actually think your party's strategy is working?
he actually does, he is unironically more delusional than felix kek

i wonder if tucker spammer is the same guy who was spamming fuentes before he fell off and started wearing epstein shirts

>>2783737
Cpusanon is a decietful pussy who lies and hides just like his party. Cpusa supported fetterman, yet they blame ALL from the masses who question their fascism. Cpusa has learn from backlash from masses from their support of fetterman, but only to keep doing the same thing but more decietfully.
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/dem-progressives-win-primaries-but-on-gop-side-its-trumpites/
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/primary-day-progressives-and-moderates-fight-for-democratic-nominations/

>>2783742
Nikolai Fuentes

>>2783747
Why do you feel the need to crosspost this shit in multiple threads?

>>2783747
cant cuck the tuck.

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>>2783747
I honestly have to wonder how people can watch this dude. He continuesly sounds like he is confused and just asking questions
>H-He hates Israel!!!
Congrats

>>2783756
this sounds very similar to a slogan for another conservative populist who everyone thought was based before he started handing out fell for it again awards

>>2783764
I doubt Tucker is a child molestor, at least. He definitely glows tho

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>>2783743
>took a break from this place for two months
>come back
>this pathetic incel is still at it

>>2783726
crickets

>>2781663
Japan will only ever be socialist due to occupation. China occupying Japan is one of the only ways Japan can ever be socialist


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