How exactly does one avoid being purged after a communist revolution?
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186 posts and 25 image replies omitted.>>2787351Who the fuck is "we"?
>>2787381we the posters on this site
>>2787351Sorry, we don't suck counterrevolutionary cock in here. And Stalin was perhaps the greatest counterrevolutionary ever.
>>2787384>your time will comeagain, Stalin was a counterrevolutionary so this will never happen lulz. Socialism in one bedroom headass
>>2787389you really seem to hate the guy who killed hitler, interesting.
>>2784942Ironic that this is what saved DPRK.
The USSR became controlled opposition because WW2 really did a number on the boomers and they did not want to relive another war and would rather sacrifice themselves to crapitalism than fight it. Which didn't matter in the end because they all decided to become crapitalists out of their own desires after visiting western stores and being completely mindbroken from Bernays' propaganda. At least the DPRK had a vaccine against westoid softpower.
>>2787407Dont most people?
>>2786566>if a party goes revisionist and purges actual communists like you, would you sit in your cell and think "I had this coming, i clearly deviated, not the party."Why would I think that? This only makes sense in a narrative where people who are purged are helpless victims who don't understand the context they exist in. That's not true, and we can see in individuals like Jiang Qing and others that revolutionary Communists are very capable of understanding what is happening around them.
>or would you accept that sometimes the reactionaries win?Why would that be such an absurd statement? Of course they do.
>>2787351I can't go back to reddit, I keep being banned for wanting chuds killed and I'm sick of making more emails.
Also, I too advocate for authoritarian measures to secure the revolution. That's not the problem with Stalinists, the problem with Stalinists is that you're autocrats. You believe in having an unaccountable dictator that can do whatever he wants.
>>2787384That's precisely why I will fight to prevent any kind of Stalinist-led revolution. In the west at least, it would be going backward, since you'd be taking away the one area of life where the masses have any say (politics).
>>2787408If the only antidote to capitalism is creating a fucking monarchy you might as well just be capitalist.
>>2787803Communo monarchism works like it or not.
>>2787852>worksThe fuck does that even mean. Doesn't matter anyway, I don't like or want it whether it """""works""""" or not.
>>2787802Yo buddy, I believe the CIA is hiring people for that mission
I LOVE STALIN SO MUCH I FUCKING LOVE STALIN STALIN #1 NAZI KILLER BEST MAN HES THE BEST STALIN YES!!! STALIN GO!!! STALIN STALIN!!!!
>>2787925Again, the fact you dont think having real elections is important is a red (heh) flag
>>2787929Popularity contests are not a good criteria fir running anything by
>>2787929elections are detrimental to democracy
>>2787802>That's precisely why I will fight to prevent any kind of Stalinist-led revolutiont. first to be purged
>>2787938People who think this are the ones who actually need to be purged
>>2788051Elections, and "representative" democracy in general are and have always been a scam, pure popularity contest where the real people able to choose a candidate are those who are in control of mass media, and so what, to have a guy that gets free rein for the next 5 years to betray everything he was pretending to be for with zero accountability?
>>2787934Irrelevant, there is no other way to ensure the ruling class doesn't completely fuck over the masses.
>>2788086There is no superior alternative. You'll insist otherwise, but no, a dictator is not better, I will not accept that argument.
>>2788087If you want representative government at all, the only sensible way to do is through sortition, make being a politician like jury duty
>>2788089Dictators are more efficient and honest, one need only look at the trajectories of China and the US/Europe to see this
>>2788093China is a democracy thoughever.
>>2788093No, they're not. That's propaganda. You can insist "trust me bro" all you want, it won't happen. No one who insists on having unchecked authority can be trusted, period. No exceptions.
>>2788089They are a dictator in all but name, even in the US no president has been impeached into actually losing their posts, and that's not even talking about countries were the president is basically the monarch and can push laws through regardless of who else agrees, like France
Dictatorship is honestly a less useful thing however, as it makes it so the ruling class can't just swap their public figure and thus diffuse the hate of the commons to different governments.
>>2787796soviets leaders were recallable
>>2787164>The very fact you think one can't be socialist and oppose Stalinthe post you were responding to didn't say that
>>2788135He called critics of Stalin liberals so yes, he did
>>2788100>No one who insists on having unchecked authority can be trusted, period. No exceptions.is it possible to have a system
without unchecked authority? who watches the watchmen? the watchmen-watchers must have their own watchers as well. the only solution is a panopticon where everyone spies and snitches on each other. total surveillance at all times. no privacy.
>>2788136there's a difference between having some reserved criticisms of stalin and coming here to express outrage and shock that not everyone thinks he was just as bad as hitler.
>>2784896>>2784859She was made a diplomat in Scandinavia, kind of like an honorable exile.
>>2788137Ultimately no, but it matters very much WHAT that ultimate authority is. I demand the ultimate authority be the masses themselves, not the General Secretary of a vanguard party, because it is the only way to mitigate abuse of power and incentivize the state to align with the interests of the masses.
>>2788051You want to have democracy consisting of an aristocracy of elected officials who immediately are plunged into an opportunistic/antagonistic role with their voterbase.
I want a democracy of referenda, direct/liquid democratic voting, and lottery officials who have no reason or options for maligning the system.
We are not the same.
>>2788151>Ultimately no, but it matters very much WHAT that ultimate authority is. I demand the ultimate authority be the masses themselves, not the General Secretary of a vanguard partysoviets leaders were recallable
>>2788244Why wasnt gorbachev recalled?
>>2788254because by that revisionism had poisoned the entire party, not just gorbachev
>>2788921An issue i've never really heard addressed
>>2788921What was stopping the soviet citizenry recalling gorbachev?
>>2788166>I want a democracy>We are not the same.actually, you are
>In the usual argument about the state, the mistake is constantly made against which Engels warned and which we have in passing indicated above, namely, it is constantly forgotten that the abolition of the state means also the abolition of democracy; that the withering away of the state means the withering away of democracy.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch04.htm#s6 Unique IPs: 22