/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2791645
More evidence of oriental despotism

>>2791645
Praise be to Allah.

>>2791621
>nihilism and addiction are conditions produced by liberal thought
Nietzsche already proved that nihilism was created by Socrates' idealism, since it places eternal life in death, and eternal death in life. Masturbation iz good so long as one is not enslaved by its ritual.

>>2791730
Enslaved to the ritual as in what?

>>2791294
Did someone force the heckin opposing parties to become tsarist collaborators? Or to try and kill Lenin? Or to make deals with foreign invaders? No? Then shut the fuck up

>>2791488
Defeated by a coalition of earth and water benders
Hoes mad

>>2791757
they're benders alright

>>2791757
Doesn’t matter, flexed on air benders and paved the way to global industrialization

>>2791424
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>>2791425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvk_XylEmLo
hes right tho the peasents had more free time and arguably less alienation. Unsure about less stress

>>2791387
>don’t exist and never have
why are you like this

>>2791460
correct interpretation
>>2791570
>The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classes, or humanity will cease to exist. No third way here.
teleology, and unfalsifiable, because whenever it doesn't happen the way you said it, you can always push it back. you have no testable predictions. Nor do you have specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, or time-scheduled goals. Lenin did. That's why he carried out the October Revolution and won the Russian Civil War.

>>2791946
Years of working wore me down

>>2791960
that's most people but most people don't react like this. are you a big alcoholic or something? your aggressive nihilistic soapboxing reminds me of narcissists and alcoholics.

>>2791964
The latter for sure

is it true that Lenin said that the workers should be empowered to rule and then when he came into power changed his mind and said they weren't ready yet.

LOL what a snake

>>2792080
kill yourself

>>2791948
>unfalsifiable
Popperian retardation

>>2792080
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/3rdcong/18.htm
>I have long urged that as many workers as possible should be placed on the committees.[1] The period since the Second Congress has been marked by inadequate attention to this duty—such is the impression I have received from talks with comrades engaged in practical Party work.
>I should be strongly in favour of having eight workers to every two intellectuals on our committees.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1924/lenin-enrollment/
>It was all the more distressing then that the party census of 1922 revealed that only 15 percent of all members were working in manual industrial jobs as opposed to 63 percent who listed white-collar occupations. As for new recruits, only 12 percent were workers by actual employment.

>In December 1923, the Politbiuro and the Presidium of the Central Control Commission decided to initiate a mass enrollment campaign to bring 100,000 workers into the party. This decision, approved by the Thirteenth Party Conference, was executed as the "Lenin Enrollment" in honor of the just deceased leader. In the course of 1924 and 1925, 638,070 people entered the party, of whom 439,715 (68.9 percent) were workers by "social situation." Total party membership, which had stood at 446,089 on January 1, 1924, reached slightly over one million by January 1926.

you uyghas outht to stop lying

>>2792106
Don't bother, most retards here don't understand dialectical materialism and confuse it with vulgar materialism. I doubt most people here have actually read the philosophical canon which is NECESSARY to understand Marxism in its totality.

>>2792108
Your deviation only lives because you are parasites who can only live of unprincipled critique. You will die off.

>>2792110
"deviation" LMFAO you are the exact type of fucking retard I'm talking about. Vulgar materialism IS THE DEVIATION YOU DUMB FUCK. The ORTHODOX CANON of Marxism is ANTITHETICAL to your Popperian idiocy. You are so fucking arrogant but you're ousting yourself as a literal know-nothing regarding this exact principle. If anything will "die off" it's going to be whatever was once left of the left, because of wreckers like you who bask in self-assured arrogance while having refused to do any of their homework. You are the one who is betraying Marxism, dumbfuck. Marx himself would have hated you and been bewildered by your epistemology, because it is literally not his own. You're so fucking stupid that you assume anything short of vulgar materialism and positivism is "idealism", when the whole fucking point of Marx's dialectical materialism was to reconcile the history of German idealism away from itself without falling for the trappings of the positivist circle.

>>2791578
>The haute-bourgeois is of course excluded from this combination.
Only temporarily because they accelerate the development of finance and industrial capital effectively socializing labour relations, something which the peasantry and petite-bourgeois don't do. They too are to eventually be subsumed.

>>2792113
And what "unprincipled critique", you fuckwit? It is ABSOLUTELY PRINCIPLED. LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN YOU SUBHUMAN FUCK. IT IS PRINCIPLE BY ITS VERY NATURE BECAUSE IT ADHERES TO THE *PRINCIPLES* OF WHAT MARXISM ACTUALLY PHILOSOPHICALLY CONSISTS OF. NOT POSITIVISM. YOU HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIALECTICS OF NATURE, AND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AT THAT. ACCUSING ME OF "DEVIATION" WHEN YOU'RE THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HIS OWN FUCKING CANON. BUY A ROPE. >>2792110

>>2792115
LIKE MARX LITERALLY FUCKING SAYS VERBATIM THAT IF APPEARANCE AND ESSENCE DIRECTLY COINCIDED, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF PHILOSOPHY WOULD BE REDUNDANT, BUT YOU ACCUSE *ME* OF DEVIATION? YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD AND I HOPE YOU CHOKE TO DEATH. IGNORANT, ARROGANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE SET THE LEFT BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. >>2792110

>>2792114
Also keep in mind that the peasantry and petite-bourgeoisie don't take much lomg to turn reactionary, so even if they collaborate with the proletariat they need to be proletarianized in the long run. So maybe calling them all a "reactionary mass" as a whole might be wrong, but they can't be left alone.

>>2792113
>>2792115
>>2792118
If you're correct why are you so mad? Marxism is true and this is why it has transformative power. Your infantile flailing gets you nowhere buddy.

schizos

>>2791730
I dont give a fuck what he thought about it, worldview is downstream of ideology of liberalism and he never managed to reconcile with that. Yes he disawoved liberalism, but he rejected socialism - the ultimate fence shitter, which is in my mind just defending the status quo.

A depressed liberal, he sucks.

>>2792180
You appear unfamiliar with Nietzsche.
He rejected both liberalism and communism because he rejected the nihilism of modernity altogether. He was a Hellenist who supported a European Aristocracy to rule over the plebs.

>>2792197
>You appear unfamiliar with Nietzsche.
<Whom do I hate most among the rabble of today? The socialist rabble, the chandala apostles, who undermine the instinct, the pleasure, the worker's sense of satisfaction with his small existence—who make him envious, who teach him revenge. The source of wrong is never unequal rights but the claim of “equal” rights—Nietzsche's The Anti-Christ , 1888
Can you explain this to me?
Let me help you:

1. leftist agitators (socialist rabble) contribute to social unrest by convincing workers that they should be dissatisfied with their shitty life
   
2. the worker is naturally suited for a simple existence in which he can find happiness in his position in the division of labor
   
   

Here's more Kneechan
<Oddly, submission to powerful, frightening, even terrible persons, like tyrants and generals, is not experienced as nearly so painful as is [the] submission to unknown and uninteresting persons, which is what all the luminaries of industry are. What the workers see in the employer is usually only a cunning, bloodsucking dog of a man who speculates on all misery; and the employer’s name, shape, manner and reputation are a matter of complete indifference to them. The manufacturers and entrepreneurs of business probably have been too deficient so far in all those forms and signs of a higher race that alone make a person interesting. If the nobility of birth showed in their eyes and gestures, there might not be any socialism of the masses
(Gay Science)
Seem that big N here is saying how bosses are just rude and that if they had an aryan sovl the workers wouldn't get the idea that is only accident and luck that the bourgeoisie rules over them and thus socialist agitators actually succeed.

>>2792197
Im more than familiar with him, re-read what I said. He might have claimed to not be a liberal but the reality of him in practice is basically what the average UKoid is, a liberal pro-monarchist with socially conservative views and centrist social values, just this time with depression.

Find me when someone who flags him as an inspiration actually accomplishes anything.

>>2792201
Plenty of creatives riff off him but you can’t really point to a political victory by any follower by Big N (besides anschluss lol)

>>2792200
>explain
Isn't it self-explanatory?
>>2792201
>LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL
You have liberal derangement syndrome, im afraid to say.
Its common on this forum, though.

>>2792218
Hes as much of a product of liberalism as Ayn Rand, just two different sides of the ideological apparatus dressed up as something significant.

>>2792223
everyone is a """liberal""", except you
we get it

>>2792232
call me when the postmodern state is formed (hint it is the united states)

>>2792197
So he was the first "neither x nor y" radlib?

>>2792301
Your quote is relevant since Nietzsche was still inhabiting the class consciousness of the old aristocracy, not the new bourgeois world.

>>2792307
Kind of like king charles does
Or how bronze age pervert represents premodernity.

capitalism was ~400 years old by then btw

>>2792323
The British Monarchy was already thoroughly bourgeoisified by the 18th century. Today, most monarchists simply give grumblings about "tourism" as a meagre defense of the institution.

>>2792328
>>2792333
I was being sarcastic jeez

>>2792342
we all take our opportunities to soapbox where we can get them

>>2790000
>0000
>Nobody checks these Quads
pathetic

>>2789610
>pic 1
the fur

Yes

>>2791011
You should read Marx. You would be surprised to learn that it's "civil society" that determines the structure of the state and not viceversa.

>>2791104
Materialism out of your ass may say that the state determines civil society, but a little Marx would show you that's an idealistic form of materialism. That is, it would be materialism just as in an arbitrary name for a given doctrine. Because how can an account of the state be materialist if it doesn't even consider the most fundamental material aspect of its form and activity, which is the production process that enables all members of society to sustain their life? Your doctrine of the state is idealistic precisely because it hypostatizes a "separate" state capable of shifting the tides of matter in motion, as an external and independent autonomous arbiter beyond the concrete structure of society. And the concrete structure of society, let me tell you, is not the state. It would actually be much closer to te truth to assert it of ancient states rather than modern ones, which is the completely the opposite of what you said earlier. So we come full circle in your assertion and reach a complete contradiction: the dictatorial Lenin who tries to bring the working class to power is still in itself less dictatorial than your own position on what the state is and does: dictate the form of society. If your lenin and your communist party was even true (history shows they were far from a despotic leader and party), they would be your perfect political ideal, a man and a party capable of using the determinant position of the state to shape society from the top down. But that's not what bolshevism was and that's not what the state is and does.

The birth of modernity is precisely the advent of bourgeoise class domination, which generated completely new political structures and a new form of state. You can see it in the glorious revolution, American indipendence and french revolutions, which would have absolutely no sense without accounting for the empowerment of a new class, the bourgeoise, and a new legislation and state form to fit their interests. What need has the feudal lord for the Napoleonic code? They can clean their ass with it, they subsist with the tribute and rent collected from subjects, spoils of war and etc. It is only with the growth of commerce and production, both activities which the bourgeoise advanced to an efficency never before seen, that a universal law resembling a commercial pact between separate, antisocial competitive atomized individuals make any sense, as if everyone person behaved with one another in society as different firms do in a market. The state is this just the instrument which a given class use to execute the domination they reached in the production process in the first place, using its administrative, logistical, and violent powers to shape society according to their class interests

Anyways, you need to read more Marx in order to be materialist, because you are an idealist

>>2800360
quads are ez on slow board. we only stand for all same digits

>>2791074
wasn't gonna happen. people attribute his strokes to kaplan's bullets, but really his dad had strokes at the same age, so it was probably a hereditary issue.