Happy birthday to the GOAT, the magnificent Vladimir Ulyanov Lenin!
May his brilliant words and shining example continue to inspire workers across the world to win their liberation and fight back the tyranny of capitalist imperialism
184 posts and 60 image replies omitted.>>2791471The ever industrialist Fire nation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The stagnant agrarian Air nomads
>>2791460Wrong interpretation. In the long run, no one is "free" to go their own way. The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classes, or humanity will cease to exist. No third way here.
>>2791570Good, fuck humanity
>>2791570>The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classeshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm- "The emancipation of labor must be the work of the working class, relative to which all other classes are only one reactionary mass."
>The first strophe is taken from the introductory words of the Rules of the International, but "improved". There it is said: "The emancipation of the working class must be the act of the workers themselves"; here, on the contrary, the "working class" has to emancipate – what? "Labor." Let him understand who can. In compensation, the antistrophe, on the other hand, is a Lassallean quotation of the first water: "relative to which" (the working class) "all other classes are only one reactionary mass."
Moreover both Marx and Plekhanov correctly observe that the only winning combination if all other classes fully trust the proletariat and it's socialist program - this can only happen if there's a crisis about to ruin peasants and petty-bourgeois. The haute-bourgeois is of course excluded from this combination. You can very well read the Address to the International about the Commune and it's characteristics and you can read Plekhanov's Letter to Comrades about the Upcoming Famine. I don't care to convince your moralizing ass any further.
>>2791576Start with yourself.
>>2791578I already beat off today
>>2791582nihilism and addiction are conditions produced by liberal thought
>>2791621Are the liberals in the room with us? Masturbation doesn’t get in the way of any relationships or responsibilities I have
>>2791645More evidence of oriental despotism
>>2791730Enslaved to the ritual as in what?
>>2791294Did someone force the heckin opposing parties to become tsarist collaborators? Or to try and kill Lenin? Or to make deals with foreign invaders? No? Then shut the fuck up
>>2791488Defeated by a coalition of earth and water benders
Hoes mad
>>2791757they're benders alright
>>2791757Doesn’t matter, flexed on air benders and paved the way to global industrialization
>>2791424>>2791417>>2791425https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvk_XylEmLohes right tho the peasents had more free time and arguably less alienation. Unsure about less stress
>>2791387>don’t exist and never havewhy are you like this
>>2791460correct interpretation
>>2791570>The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classes, or humanity will cease to exist. No third way here.teleology, and unfalsifiable, because whenever it doesn't happen the way you said it, you can always push it back. you have no testable predictions. Nor do you have specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, or time-scheduled goals. Lenin did. That's why he carried out the October Revolution and won the Russian Civil War.
>>2791946Years of working wore me down
>>2791960that's most people but most people don't react like this. are you a big alcoholic or something? your aggressive nihilistic soapboxing reminds me of narcissists and alcoholics.
>>2791964The latter for sure
is it true that Lenin said that the workers should be empowered to rule and then when he came into power changed his mind and said they weren't ready yet.
LOL what a snake
>>2791948>unfalsifiablePopperian retardation
>>2792080https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/3rdcong/18.htm>I have long urged that as many workers as possible should be placed on the committees.[1] The period since the Second Congress has been marked by inadequate attention to this duty—such is the impression I have received from talks with comrades engaged in practical Party work.>I should be strongly in favour of having eight workers to every two intellectuals on our committees.https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1924/lenin-enrollment/>It was all the more distressing then that the party census of 1922 revealed that only 15 percent of all members were working in manual industrial jobs as opposed to 63 percent who listed white-collar occupations. As for new recruits, only 12 percent were workers by actual employment.
>In December 1923, the Politbiuro and the Presidium of the Central Control Commission decided to initiate a mass enrollment campaign to bring 100,000 workers into the party. This decision, approved by the Thirteenth Party Conference, was executed as the "Lenin Enrollment" in honor of the just deceased leader. In the course of 1924 and 1925, 638,070 people entered the party, of whom 439,715 (68.9 percent) were workers by "social situation." Total party membership, which had stood at 446,089 on January 1, 1924, reached slightly over one million by January 1926.you uyghas outht to stop lying
>>2792106Don't bother, most retards here don't understand dialectical materialism and confuse it with vulgar materialism. I doubt most people here have actually read the philosophical canon which is NECESSARY to understand Marxism in its totality.
>>2792108Your deviation only lives because you are parasites who can only live of unprincipled critique. You will die off.
>>2792110"deviation" LMFAO you are the exact type of fucking retard I'm talking about. Vulgar materialism IS THE DEVIATION YOU DUMB FUCK. The ORTHODOX CANON of Marxism is ANTITHETICAL to your Popperian idiocy. You are so fucking arrogant but you're ousting yourself as a literal know-nothing regarding this exact principle. If anything will "die off" it's going to be whatever was once left of the left, because of wreckers like you who bask in self-assured arrogance while having refused to do any of their homework. You are the one who is betraying Marxism, dumbfuck. Marx himself would have hated you and been bewildered by your epistemology, because it is literally not his own. You're so fucking stupid that you assume anything short of vulgar materialism and positivism is "idealism", when the whole fucking point of Marx's dialectical materialism was to reconcile the history of German idealism away from itself without falling for the trappings of the positivist circle.
>>2791578>The haute-bourgeois is of course excluded from this combination.Only temporarily because they accelerate the development of finance and industrial capital effectively socializing labour relations, something which the peasantry and petite-bourgeois don't do. They too are to eventually be subsumed.
>>2792113And what "unprincipled critique", you fuckwit? It is ABSOLUTELY PRINCIPLED. LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN YOU SUBHUMAN FUCK. IT IS PRINCIPLE BY ITS VERY NATURE BECAUSE IT ADHERES TO THE *PRINCIPLES* OF WHAT MARXISM ACTUALLY PHILOSOPHICALLY CONSISTS OF. NOT POSITIVISM. YOU HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIALECTICS OF NATURE, AND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AT THAT. ACCUSING ME OF "DEVIATION" WHEN YOU'RE THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HIS OWN FUCKING CANON. BUY A ROPE.
>>2792110 >>2792115LIKE MARX LITERALLY FUCKING SAYS VERBATIM THAT IF APPEARANCE AND ESSENCE DIRECTLY COINCIDED, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF PHILOSOPHY WOULD BE REDUNDANT, BUT YOU ACCUSE *ME* OF DEVIATION? YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD AND I HOPE YOU CHOKE TO DEATH. IGNORANT, ARROGANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE SET THE LEFT BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
>>2792110 >>2792114Also keep in mind that the peasantry and petite-bourgeoisie don't take much lomg to turn reactionary, so even if they collaborate with the proletariat they need to be proletarianized in the long run. So maybe calling them all a "reactionary mass" as a whole might be wrong, but they can't be left alone.
schizos
>>2791730I dont give a fuck what he thought about it, worldview is downstream of ideology of liberalism and he never managed to reconcile with that. Yes he disawoved liberalism, but he rejected socialism - the ultimate fence shitter, which is in my mind just defending the status quo.
A depressed liberal, he sucks.
>>2792180You appear unfamiliar with Nietzsche.
He rejected both liberalism and communism because he rejected the nihilism of modernity altogether. He was a Hellenist who supported a European Aristocracy to rule over the plebs.
>>2792197>You appear unfamiliar with Nietzsche.<Whom do I hate most among the rabble of today? The socialist rabble, the chandala apostles, who undermine the instinct, the pleasure, the worker's sense of satisfaction with his small existence—who make him envious, who teach him revenge. The source of wrong is never unequal rights but the claim of “equal” rights—Nietzsche's The Anti-Christ , 1888Can you explain this to me?
Let me help you:
- leftist agitators (socialist rabble) contribute to social unrest by convincing workers that they should be dissatisfied with their shitty life
- the worker is naturally suited for a simple existence in which he can find happiness in his position in the division of labor
Here's more Kneechan
<Oddly, submission to powerful, frightening, even terrible persons, like tyrants and generals, is not experienced as nearly so painful as is [the] submission to unknown and uninteresting persons, which is what all the luminaries of industry are. What the workers see in the employer is usually only a cunning, bloodsucking dog of a man who speculates on all misery; and the employer’s name, shape, manner and reputation are a matter of complete indifference to them. The manufacturers and entrepreneurs of business probably have been too deficient so far in all those forms and signs of a higher race that alone make a person interesting. If the nobility of birth showed in their eyes and gestures, there might not be any socialism of the masses(Gay Science)
Seem that big N here is saying how bosses are just rude and that if they had an aryan sovl the workers wouldn't get the idea that is only accident and luck that the bourgeoisie rules over them and thus socialist agitators actually succeed.
>>2792197Im more than familiar with him, re-read what I said. He might have claimed to not be a liberal but the reality of him in practice is basically what the average UKoid is, a liberal pro-monarchist with socially conservative views and centrist social values, just this time with depression.
Find me when someone who flags him as an inspiration actually accomplishes anything.
>>2792201Plenty of creatives riff off him but you can’t really point to a political victory by any follower by Big N (besides anschluss lol)
>>2792200>explainIsn't it self-explanatory?
>>2792201>LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERALYou have liberal derangement syndrome, im afraid to say.
Its common on this forum, though.
>>2792223everyone is a """liberal""", except you
we get it
>>2792232call me when the postmodern state is formed (hint it is the united states)
>>2792301Your quote is relevant since Nietzsche was still inhabiting the class consciousness of the old aristocracy, not the new bourgeois world.
>>2792307Kind of like king charles does
Or how bronze age pervert represents premodernity.
capitalism was ~400 years old by then btw
>>2792323>Or how bronze age pervert represents premodernity>represents <Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95. In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue. >>2792323The British Monarchy was already thoroughly bourgeoisified by the 18th century. Today, most monarchists simply give grumblings about "tourism" as a meagre defense of the institution.
>>2792328>>2792333I was being sarcastic jeez
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