Happy birthday to the GOAT, the magnificent Vladimir Ulyanov Lenin!
May his brilliant words and shining example continue to inspire workers across the world to win their liberation and fight back the tyranny of capitalist imperialism
I love Great Men of history!!!
The Kilimanjaro in a sea of pebbles
>>2789631I don't deny anything. I don't think he should be treated as some kind of pseudo-religious icon.
>>2789633Where’s the pseudo-religious part?
>>2789721>did nothing wronghaving strokes and dying in 1924 was a pretty bad move on his part
>>2789909Not his fault, the CIA went back in time and shot him with the heart attack gun.
>>2789909That was because an anarchist leftoid of the type praised by nu-leftypol tried to fucking assassinate him and have him brain damage in the process
He was a very intelligent and hard working leftcom. One of the best of our movement.
Lenin was cool I enjoy his books and the anecdotes about his life are very interesting
>>2789628I KILLED A MAN AND PUT HIM IN A JAR AFTER MOUNTING HIM
CALL ME MOUNT KILAMANJARO
>>2789920fanny kaplan was S-R not anarchist. also her bullets didn't give him brain damage. He got hit in the neck. Lenin had a hereditary disease and got a series of lethal strokes at almost the exact same age as his dad.
>>2790230He survived like 5 strokes in one year. Crazy.
That quote about how Blanquism isn't communism kinda stuck with me. We are going through a class struggle, we, as the class, need to start a revolution. When small number of people, not a part of the class, start a revolution, that is not a "class struggle", but rather, a "coup d'etat".
>>2790256
Stalin put this man in a glass box and paraded him around Moscow as a final slap in the face. Probably explains the insane amount of strokes he suffered. Before he died he tried to remove Stalin from the party.
>>2790260His corpse. He put his corpse in a glass box.
>>2790260 Trots 🤝 Russian fascists
Losing their marbles and moralfagging over Lenin's body
>>2789611Lenin posts around the web.
Jannies cannot ban him.
>>2790275Lenin was the greatest poster in history, it's a shame he lived in a time without posting
>>2790275Lenin posts around the web.
Jannies cannot ban him.
Neither soyjaks nor trolling make him seethe.
Nor does gore spam scar him.
Lenin posts around the web.
Forums, Blogs and Vlogs receive him.
Subculture is no barrier.
The strangest chans believe him.
Lenin posts around the web.
Domain names near and far.
Between .com and .su
There loads a gif red star
>>2790394
Didn't he want to be cremated? Regardless, getting upset about what happened to the man's corpse, which is not even bad in any way lol, is some real anti ML retardation, the party decided that the embalming would be the right move and that's all there is to it. Anything else is moralism
>>2790260Stalin wasn't involved
Blame lunacharsky
>>2790394
Who cares what he wanted? Is he going to cry to baby Marx in Communist Jannah about it? Anti-stalinists will accuse MLs of pseudo-religionism and then go and say that what Lenin wanted to be done with his corpse is more important than the wishes of the party and millions of workers. Or how what he said on his deathbed should have overridden the democratic process in the party like he's a king or a prophet lol.
Why do anti-ML arguments always come down to aesthetics? Essentially
>oh that doesn’t look very communist in my opinion
>>2790436Anti-ML arguments go deeper than that.
For example check comrade Koba accounts
>>2790437>anti-ML arguments are reading only the title of a work and then making a meme about itSpot on
>>2790434I’d also point out that actual religions specifically make the point that their messiahs are divine, given human form to walk the Earth but are distinctly more than flesh. Hence when they died, the last thing they’d do is embalm them and have their corpse be displayed, thus keeping their supposed divinity associated with a lifeless body. In fact in some religions you cannot idolise their human form.
Lenin being preserved in the mausoleum is distinctly un-religious, as you can always see he was just a man. He wasn’t a mythical legend of distant history.
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>>2790459
Still haven't read on the final victory huh? It's so short lol
When are MLs gonna accept he was just another politician who betrayed the revolution?
>The Socialist Revolutionary Party was gonna be selected so Lenin dissolved the Constituent AAssembly and enacted the one party rule
>Betrayed and destroyed the Mahknoschvina, crushed the Kronstadt rebellion and Soviets
>Openly declared state capitalism
I don't know if you people are illiterate or only read what's convenient to you
>>2790470Kronstad rebellion was organized by the bourgeois
>>2790470>kronstadt "no jews allowed" rebellionLMAOOO
>>2790516Kerensky armed the communists and they never forgave him for it.
>>2790480why is an anarchist defending a right wing party and a constituent assembly that was denounced by anarchists as another capitalist institution? lol
Do we know why the Bolsheviks lost the elections?
>>2790824Pea𐓏𐓏aꑭts, bolsheviks got the significant majority of the urban proletariat vote
>>2790433Thanks, Lenin!
plz keep posting
kthxbye
>>2790457good!
gg no re
get in line bitch
sayonara
>>2790835No genuinely it comes down to shit like
>Okay Marx and Engles were in a communist party and wrote a communist manifesto, but Lenin calling his communist party the “vanguard of the revolution” is a bit authoritarian, a bit fashy isn’t it? >>2790474stronk n' true
>>2790470noodle armed n' gay
>>2790864 (me)
>>2790480It is also worth to mention, that these here data do not distinguish between the left-SRs and right-SRs. The left-SRs were in a coalition with the bolsheviks at the time.
>>2790859"Stalinist" isn't a derogatory here newfag lib.
Lurko moro
>>2790923how about you lurk more for being a stalinoid?
>>2790923imagine being a stalinist in the year of our lord 2026
Lenin ruined socialism forever by psyoping everyone into thinking you can achieve a revolution by ceding all power to one guy and he'll definitely act selflessly in defence of the proletariat and definitely not just make everything about himself. Despite the obvious failure of this approach, this place is still filled, over a century later, with people insisting their chosen vanguardist despot will definitely create a socialist paradise this time.
>>2790943>y ceding all power to one guy and he'll definitely act selflessly in defence of the proletariat and definitely not just make everything about himselfdidn't happen
try again
>>2790943Extremely lame and false argumemt btw
>>2790953>>2790972It did happen, any suggestion otherwise is propaganda
>>2790444Don't Orthodox and Catholic Christians do a lot of embalming? I believe Lenin being embalmed was a cultural relic of Orthodoxy.
>>2790980>>2790943Even "personal" dictatorships derive their power from a support base rooted in a specific class. All systems of governance in class society are dictatorships of one class over all other classes in society.
>>2790983>>2790943Also imagine thinking you can psyop people into upholding a certain kind of political doctrine beyond your grave with no regard for concrete material conditions. Peak shitlib idealism.
>>2790989>nooo you don't get it the material conditions DEMAND you make me absolute dictatorLeast obvious megalomaniac
>>2790983This, a state's content (the class forces it serves and represents) is far more important than its form.
>>2790995Except Lenin wasn't an absolute dictator. Besides, all forms of governance are effectively dictatorships, as I've already mentioned. But the taboo of dictatorship is applied only to Socialist regimes.
>>2791004Incorrect. The state itself is (at present) the ultimate power structure and thus directly creates classes by its very existence. The idea classes are some bottom-up construct that exist separate from the state apparatus is nonsense, but it's pushed by Leninists because it allows them to justify a one party state by insisting the vanguard party isn't a new ruling class but just the representatives of the working class.
>>2791005>all forms of governance are effectively dictatorshipsPropaganda. All rulers are not by definition dictators, there's a reason we have two different words.
>>2791013That reason is lying and obfuscation
>>2791016
There’s no such thing as accountability
>>2791011The problem is that the masses are in literal sense conservative, you are never going to get 51% support for any revolutionary action. Or even more fundamental problem, can complex organisations exist without developing vertical hierarchy? I dont know.
Just another man who wrote books ill never read
>>2791093Nothing I said is non-material, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>2791098Yes it was. The core of the Marxist theory of the state is that it emerges as a result of class contradictions in order to defend the interests of the ruling class. What you said is the exact opposite of Marx's understanding of what the state is and what it does.
>>2791099That understanding fails to consider that once a state exists, that power structure reinforces and creates the ruling class, not the other way around, regardless of the fact it may have been created to reinforce the rule of a pre-existing, pre-state ruling class. One can, indeed, use the state to redefine who gets to be part of the ruling class due to its monopoly on violence.
>>2791101Ngl m8 I'm too tired to argue with you, but you should know that what you're saying isn't Marxist in any way shape or form. So if you're going to criticize Marxist understandings of the state then at least be honest about it, instead of implying that Lenin deviated from Marx in this regard.
>>2791102For one, I didn't say that. For two, that's fine, but don't say it's not materialist, it has nothing to do with that. I'm not claiming anything spiritual or supernatural here. Marxism =/= materialism, materialism is bigger than and predates Marx.
>>2791101I dont think youve ever read marx
>>2791105Even if I had, it wouldn't change my mind
>>2791107maybe reddit would be more ur speed
>>2791108Reddit won't let me say I want to kill chuds
>>2791121Well-poisoned anti-argument
>>2791127it's correct thoughteverm'st
>>2791129It's not an agurment, you're just saying "Chomsky agreed therefore you're wrong", which is no more of an argument than saying "Marx disagreed therefore you're wrong". Arguments aren't right or wrong because of who makes them, that's a fallacy.
>>2791133the argument is that if you utter the word "authoritarianism" you're Epstein and you rape children
>>2791135That's even less of an argument
>>2791011do u even base/superstructure? the relations of production are fundamental
>>2791127Not any worse than the bullshit post he responded to
>>2791278This is cope. By banning all opposing parties he created a structure where he alone could gatekeep who got to be part of the power structure. He wasn't as totalitarian as Stalin, but he created a system with no guardrails against someone like Stalin and it not being totally intolerant of any and all challenges to Lenin was contingent entirely on Lenin's own patience for it.
>>2791142It’s to the affirmative though on-the-other-handly
>>2791294Even the CIA didnt think the USSR was a dictatorship, how does it feel to be to the right of the CIA?
>>2791310Well if CIA didnt think so I guess thats that, they were never wrong about anything. I dont even have strong opinion on the topic, but you should look to more recent academic authors on the topic. Even the document you are referring to acknowledges the wide ranging power Stalin had, which is unlikely to be inherited by his successors.
>>2791316>but you should look to more recent academic authors on the topicSuch as?
>>2791294>By banning all opposing parties When and why was there the decree against factionalism? Do tell.
Is this guy still pulling weight for the SRs in the year 2026? Lmfao who gives a fuck? They ended up joining the tsarists anyway
>>2791344Krushev absolved by the CIA
Lenin is proof Turks are superior
>>2791345Lastly banning all parties but the ruling communist party is completely inline with marxist theory and really doesnt mean much. People will cry and piss about the USSR doing it but what was the other option, give the tsarists a political party and allow them to campaign?
A notion so ridiculous no one seriously suggested it in the USSR. Peoples dictatorship, voting still allowed - its the correct way.
>>2791349> We have created a Soviet type of state and by that we have ushered in a new era in world history, the era of the political rule of the proletariat, which is to supersede the era of bourgeois rule. Nobody can deprive us of this, either, although the Soviet type of state will have the finishing touches put to it only with the aid of the practical experience of the working class of several countries.
>But we have not finished building even the foundations of socialist economy and the hostile powers of moribund capitalism can still deprive us of that. We must clearly appreciate this and frankly admit it; for there is nothing more dangerous than illusions (and vertigo, particularly at high altitudes). And there is absolutely nothing terrible, nothing that should give legitimate grounds for the slightest despondency, in admitting this bitter truth; for we have always urged and reiterated the elementary truth of Marxism—that the joint efforts of the workers of several advanced countries are needed for the victory of socialism. We are still alone and in a backward country, a country that was ruined more than others, but we have accomplished a great deal. More than that—we have preserved intact the army of the revolutionary proletarian forces; we have preserved its manoeuvring ability; we have kept clear heads and can soberly calculate where, when and how far to retreat (in order to leap further forward); where, when and how to set to work to alter what has remained unfinished. Those Communists are doomed who imagine that it is possible to finish such an epoch-making undertaking as completing the foundations of socialist economy (particularly in a small-peasant country) without making mistakes, without retreats, without numerous alterations to what is unfinished or wrongly done. Communists who have no illusions, who do not give way to despondency, and who preserve their strength and flexibility “to begin from the beginning “ over and over again in approaching an extremely difficult task, are not doomed (and in all probability will not perish).
>And still less permissible is it for us to give way to the slightest degree of despondency; we have still less grounds for doing so because, notwithstanding the ruin, poverty, backwardness and starvation prevailing in our country, in the economics that prepare the way for socialism we have begun to make progress, while side by side with us, all over the world, countries which are more advanced, and a thousand times wealthier and militarily stronger than we are, are still retrogressing in their own vaunted, familiar, capitalist economic field, in which they have worked for centuries.infantiles obliterated
>>2791352>Soviet type of state>Soviet>StateLmao
>that the joint efforts of the workers of several advanced countries are needed for the victory of socialismLol
>We are still alone and in a backward country, a country that was ruined more than others>Those Communists are doomed who imagine that it is possible to finish such an epoch-making undertaking as completing the foundations of socialist economy (particularly in a small-peasant country) without making mistakes, without retreats, without numerous alterations to what is unfinished or wrongly done>we have still less grounds for doing so because, notwithstanding the ruin, poverty, backwardness and starvation prevailing in our countryRofl
>we have preserved intact the army of the revolutionary proletarian forces>Army>the revolutionary proletarian forces<infantiles obliterated<infantiles Didn’t read the book
>>2791381Ugh uhh LE RIVAL WEBSITE, death to you, lenin, and everyone you’ve ever known
>>2791382Whats up, did the red army kill your nazi parents?
>>2791386The red army and the nazis don’t exist and never have
>but look at this bookFuck books, if I can’t see it, feel it, or hear it right now in this moment it doesn’t exist and never has
>>2791388I already smoked and beat off thank you very much
>>2791391Im more high than you
>>2791390I dab on u
You know a mortal man isn’t going to fill the void left by the death of god right?
>>2791398So Israel is correct and needs to keep expanding, got it
Reminder David Ben Gurion was a marxist leninist and was armed and backed by Soviet puppet Czechoslovakia
>>2791400It’s going to spread across west asia the way the US spread across north america, islam and the Arabic language will disappear like all the nations of native america
>>2791394I lel some more
>To conclude, as I am not fond of leaving “something to be guessed,” I will come straight to the point. In order that I might be qualified to estimate the economic development in Russia to-day, I learnt Russian and then for many years studied the official publications and others bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this conclusion: If Russia continues to pursue the path she has followed since 1861, she will lose the finest chance ever offered by history to a nation, in order to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist regime. >>2791402So you agree lenin is a political dead end, welcome to the land of sensible people
>>2791404go ahead, il be right behind you
>>2791405Marx didnt have a crystal ball and isnt an infallible source, the USSR achieved enough for it to be considered progression.
>>2791406Nope, Lenin isnt dead hes alive in my heart and in the fields spreading green grass where ever he goes.
>>2791407It doesn’t matter how alive or not he is, his politics only ever have one outcome, and it sure as shit isn’t the liberation of the proletariat (assuming the proletariat exists at all)
>>2791408Massive economic transformation and improvement of material conditions for all proles that follow his ideology? Sounds great!
>>2791409>let’s force peasants off their land and make them npcs that can’t survive any type of crisis or feed themselves or even reproduce<progressiveYou fell for the meme
>>2791410Even though this is literally progressive even though it isn't "good"
>>2791410As another poster pointed out you dont have any idea what 'progressive' means in this context because you dont read books, I think TikTok might be more of your depth.
>>2791412Capitalism isn’t progressive from feudalism, it’s an evolutionary dead end and climate change will force us to return to slavery, feudalism, and orientalism, the actual sustainable forms of political economy. Humans in capitalism are like an invasive prey species with no predators that chews through everything leading to a massive die off
>>2791414The peasants made up all the manpower behind the revolution, proles are utterly incapable of revolution, they cannot feed themselves, they can barely pay themselves through a strike, they’re nothing
>>2791415Relative to feudalism capitalism was progressive because all progressive means is the advancement of bourgeois civilization and this doesn't pertain to any particular moral sensibilities
>>2791417Have fun drowning because your f350 melted the ice caps you fucking simp
>>2791418An evolutionary dead end is not progressive, it’s like calling cancer progress in your body because look at those cells GROW
>>2791407>Marx didnt have a crystal ballDidn’t need one
>isnt an infallible sourceStraws Straws Straws Straws Straws Straws Straws Straws Straws Straws
>the USSR achieved enough for it to be considered progressionR O F L
>>2791422Famine is coming no matter what you do, ancient methods were better, more sustainable, and didn’t require bullshit from out of the strait of hormuz
>>2791423yeah man we all miss the ancient ways of slavery and yearly famines that was dope
>>2791424We had more free time, less stress, and less alienation, so yes it’s better
>>2791420Manifest destiny and the colonization of North America was progressive according to Marx and basically every communist theorist worth your time precisely because it brought bourgeois civilization into existence in a place where hitherto it was absent yet nobody is celebrating it on the basis of its human cost, you need to stop conflating whatever is "good" for human life with being historically progressive
>>2791426Historical progress can suck my fucking dick
>>2791429Back to picking wheat, I’ll call you when the assembly needs an expert in being stupid
>>2791431im sorry lenin took away your grandads slaves x
>>2791427Ok yeah I agree because I don't adhere to bourgeois political concepts like progress or anything of the sort because as a communist I like proletarian revolutions generating a rupture from those paradigms but I wouldn't sloppily use the term "progressive" to describe whatever I find to be "good" or even for whatever advances communism unless I wanted to generate a definitional discontinuity with relation to the word
>>2791434Lenin never existed, he’s a fictional character
>>2791423Primitivists and luddites get ejected into the wastes when the time comes
>>2791425Who’s we? You’d be a slave bro
>>2791453And I’d have more freedom and a better QOL than I do as a prole
>>2791459bro watched avatar and never recovered
>>2791460That’s just gambling
>>2791461Air nomads > fire nation
>>2791470"I have, which will surprise you not a little, been speculating…"
What's the issue?
>>2791479I still need to watch the 3rd one, the 2nd was better than the first
>>2791471The ever industrialist Fire nation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The stagnant agrarian Air nomads
>>2791460Wrong interpretation. In the long run, no one is "free" to go their own way. The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classes, or humanity will cease to exist. No third way here.
>>2791570Good, fuck humanity
>>2791570>The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classeshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm- "The emancipation of labor must be the work of the working class, relative to which all other classes are only one reactionary mass."
>The first strophe is taken from the introductory words of the Rules of the International, but "improved". There it is said: "The emancipation of the working class must be the act of the workers themselves"; here, on the contrary, the "working class" has to emancipate – what? "Labor." Let him understand who can. In compensation, the antistrophe, on the other hand, is a Lassallean quotation of the first water: "relative to which" (the working class) "all other classes are only one reactionary mass."
Moreover both Marx and Plekhanov correctly observe that the only winning combination if all other classes fully trust the proletariat and it's socialist program - this can only happen if there's a crisis about to ruin peasants and petty-bourgeois. The haute-bourgeois is of course excluded from this combination. You can very well read the Address to the International about the Commune and it's characteristics and you can read Plekhanov's Letter to Comrades about the Upcoming Famine. I don't care to convince your moralizing ass any further.
>>2791576Start with yourself.
>>2791578I already beat off today
>>2791582nihilism and addiction are conditions produced by liberal thought
>>2791621Are the liberals in the room with us? Masturbation doesn’t get in the way of any relationships or responsibilities I have
>>2791645More evidence of oriental despotism
>>2791730Enslaved to the ritual as in what?
>>2791294Did someone force the heckin opposing parties to become tsarist collaborators? Or to try and kill Lenin? Or to make deals with foreign invaders? No? Then shut the fuck up
>>2791488Defeated by a coalition of earth and water benders
Hoes mad
>>2791757they're benders alright
>>2791757Doesn’t matter, flexed on air benders and paved the way to global industrialization
>>2791424>>2791417>>2791425https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvk_XylEmLohes right tho the peasents had more free time and arguably less alienation. Unsure about less stress
>>2791387>don’t exist and never havewhy are you like this
>>2791460correct interpretation
>>2791570>The proletariat will either assert their dominance and subsume all other classes, or humanity will cease to exist. No third way here.teleology, and unfalsifiable, because whenever it doesn't happen the way you said it, you can always push it back. you have no testable predictions. Nor do you have specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, or time-scheduled goals. Lenin did. That's why he carried out the October Revolution and won the Russian Civil War.
>>2791946Years of working wore me down
>>2791960that's most people but most people don't react like this. are you a big alcoholic or something? your aggressive nihilistic soapboxing reminds me of narcissists and alcoholics.
>>2791964The latter for sure
is it true that Lenin said that the workers should be empowered to rule and then when he came into power changed his mind and said they weren't ready yet.
LOL what a snake
>>2791948>unfalsifiablePopperian retardation
>>2792080https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/3rdcong/18.htm>I have long urged that as many workers as possible should be placed on the committees.[1] The period since the Second Congress has been marked by inadequate attention to this duty—such is the impression I have received from talks with comrades engaged in practical Party work.>I should be strongly in favour of having eight workers to every two intellectuals on our committees.https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1924/lenin-enrollment/>It was all the more distressing then that the party census of 1922 revealed that only 15 percent of all members were working in manual industrial jobs as opposed to 63 percent who listed white-collar occupations. As for new recruits, only 12 percent were workers by actual employment.
>In December 1923, the Politbiuro and the Presidium of the Central Control Commission decided to initiate a mass enrollment campaign to bring 100,000 workers into the party. This decision, approved by the Thirteenth Party Conference, was executed as the "Lenin Enrollment" in honor of the just deceased leader. In the course of 1924 and 1925, 638,070 people entered the party, of whom 439,715 (68.9 percent) were workers by "social situation." Total party membership, which had stood at 446,089 on January 1, 1924, reached slightly over one million by January 1926.you uyghas outht to stop lying
>>2792106Don't bother, most retards here don't understand dialectical materialism and confuse it with vulgar materialism. I doubt most people here have actually read the philosophical canon which is NECESSARY to understand Marxism in its totality.
>>2792108Your deviation only lives because you are parasites who can only live of unprincipled critique. You will die off.
>>2792110"deviation" LMFAO you are the exact type of fucking retard I'm talking about. Vulgar materialism IS THE DEVIATION YOU DUMB FUCK. The ORTHODOX CANON of Marxism is ANTITHETICAL to your Popperian idiocy. You are so fucking arrogant but you're ousting yourself as a literal know-nothing regarding this exact principle. If anything will "die off" it's going to be whatever was once left of the left, because of wreckers like you who bask in self-assured arrogance while having refused to do any of their homework. You are the one who is betraying Marxism, dumbfuck. Marx himself would have hated you and been bewildered by your epistemology, because it is literally not his own. You're so fucking stupid that you assume anything short of vulgar materialism and positivism is "idealism", when the whole fucking point of Marx's dialectical materialism was to reconcile the history of German idealism away from itself without falling for the trappings of the positivist circle.
>>2791578>The haute-bourgeois is of course excluded from this combination.Only temporarily because they accelerate the development of finance and industrial capital effectively socializing labour relations, something which the peasantry and petite-bourgeois don't do. They too are to eventually be subsumed.
>>2792113And what "unprincipled critique", you fuckwit? It is ABSOLUTELY PRINCIPLED. LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN YOU SUBHUMAN FUCK. IT IS PRINCIPLE BY ITS VERY NATURE BECAUSE IT ADHERES TO THE *PRINCIPLES* OF WHAT MARXISM ACTUALLY PHILOSOPHICALLY CONSISTS OF. NOT POSITIVISM. YOU HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIALECTICS OF NATURE, AND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AT THAT. ACCUSING ME OF "DEVIATION" WHEN YOU'RE THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HIS OWN FUCKING CANON. BUY A ROPE.
>>2792110 >>2792115LIKE MARX LITERALLY FUCKING SAYS VERBATIM THAT IF APPEARANCE AND ESSENCE DIRECTLY COINCIDED, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF PHILOSOPHY WOULD BE REDUNDANT, BUT YOU ACCUSE *ME* OF DEVIATION? YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD AND I HOPE YOU CHOKE TO DEATH. IGNORANT, ARROGANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE SET THE LEFT BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
>>2792110 >>2792114Also keep in mind that the peasantry and petite-bourgeoisie don't take much lomg to turn reactionary, so even if they collaborate with the proletariat they need to be proletarianized in the long run. So maybe calling them all a "reactionary mass" as a whole might be wrong, but they can't be left alone.
schizos
>>2791730I dont give a fuck what he thought about it, worldview is downstream of ideology of liberalism and he never managed to reconcile with that. Yes he disawoved liberalism, but he rejected socialism - the ultimate fence shitter, which is in my mind just defending the status quo.
A depressed liberal, he sucks.
>>2792180You appear unfamiliar with Nietzsche.
He rejected both liberalism and communism because he rejected the nihilism of modernity altogether. He was a Hellenist who supported a European Aristocracy to rule over the plebs.
>>2792197>You appear unfamiliar with Nietzsche.<Whom do I hate most among the rabble of today? The socialist rabble, the chandala apostles, who undermine the instinct, the pleasure, the worker's sense of satisfaction with his small existence—who make him envious, who teach him revenge. The source of wrong is never unequal rights but the claim of “equal” rights—Nietzsche's The Anti-Christ , 1888Can you explain this to me?
Let me help you:
- leftist agitators (socialist rabble) contribute to social unrest by convincing workers that they should be dissatisfied with their shitty life
- the worker is naturally suited for a simple existence in which he can find happiness in his position in the division of labor
Here's more Kneechan
<Oddly, submission to powerful, frightening, even terrible persons, like tyrants and generals, is not experienced as nearly so painful as is [the] submission to unknown and uninteresting persons, which is what all the luminaries of industry are. What the workers see in the employer is usually only a cunning, bloodsucking dog of a man who speculates on all misery; and the employer’s name, shape, manner and reputation are a matter of complete indifference to them. The manufacturers and entrepreneurs of business probably have been too deficient so far in all those forms and signs of a higher race that alone make a person interesting. If the nobility of birth showed in their eyes and gestures, there might not be any socialism of the masses(Gay Science)
Seem that big N here is saying how bosses are just rude and that if they had an aryan sovl the workers wouldn't get the idea that is only accident and luck that the bourgeoisie rules over them and thus socialist agitators actually succeed.
>>2792197Im more than familiar with him, re-read what I said. He might have claimed to not be a liberal but the reality of him in practice is basically what the average UKoid is, a liberal pro-monarchist with socially conservative views and centrist social values, just this time with depression.
Find me when someone who flags him as an inspiration actually accomplishes anything.
>>2792201Plenty of creatives riff off him but you can’t really point to a political victory by any follower by Big N (besides anschluss lol)
>>2792200>explainIsn't it self-explanatory?
>>2792201>LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERALYou have liberal derangement syndrome, im afraid to say.
Its common on this forum, though.
>>2792223everyone is a """liberal""", except you
we get it
>>2792232call me when the postmodern state is formed (hint it is the united states)
>>2792301Your quote is relevant since Nietzsche was still inhabiting the class consciousness of the old aristocracy, not the new bourgeois world.
>>2792307Kind of like king charles does
Or how bronze age pervert represents premodernity.
capitalism was ~400 years old by then btw
>>2792323>Or how bronze age pervert represents premodernity>represents <Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95. In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue. >>2792323The British Monarchy was already thoroughly bourgeoisified by the 18th century. Today, most monarchists simply give grumblings about "tourism" as a meagre defense of the institution.
>>2792328>>2792333I was being sarcastic jeez
>>2792342we all take our opportunities to soapbox where we can get them
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